Photos and Discussions | Old Perth

[docker]

this thread is for any old photos people have or find of Perth.

keep the good stuff coming boys.

here is the old thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=600041) which has some pure gold.

Links to individual posts: in old thread
Homeroids (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19293006&postcount=1) March 28 2008
Homeroids (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19293132&postcount=2) March 28 2008
acc521 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19313969&postcount=25) March 29 2008 Trams
Ipggi (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19315585&postcount=30) March 29 2008 Ambassadors Theatre
Laing (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19317711&postcount=38) March 29 2009 Interior of Ambassadors
Rocstar (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19405158&postcount=166) April 2 2008
Ipggi (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19315651&postcount=31) March 29 2008 R&I Building
Ipggi (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19316403&postcount=33) March 29 2008 Supreme Court
Ipggi (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19356561&postcount=86) March 31 2008 Interior of Hoyts
Laing (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19360655&postcount=103) March 31 2008
Homeroids (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19374069&postcount=110) April 1 2008
Homeroids (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19377662&postcount=118) April 1 2008 Perth Girls School/Police Traffic Department
Dallastexjr (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=14482602&postcount=1) July 28 2007 Evolution of the City
Dallastejr (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=14881605&postcount=11) August 20 2007 Evolution of the Perth Town Hall
Laing/dallastexjr (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19381798&postcount=134) April 1 2008 Corner Wellington/Milligan
Homeroids (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19398226&postcount=146) April 2 2008
Ipggi (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19402879&postcount=156) April 2 2008
Ipggi (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19403750&postcount=161) April 2 2008 Old Hotel Bars
Ipggi (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19416306&postcount=170) April 3 2008
Ipggi (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19446917&postcount=179) April 4 2008 Kings Park/Foreshore
Ipggi (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19494085&postcount=195) April 7 2008
dallastexjr (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19499531&postcount=206)April 7 2008
dallastexjr (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19509573&postcount=220) April 8 2008 1870's
dallastexjr (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19512204&postcount=239) April 8 2008
dallastexjr (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19512333&postcount=240) April 8 2008 Cnr Barrack/St George Tce
Ipggi (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19513273&postcount=248) April 8 2008St John's
Ipggi (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19513616&postcount=250) April 8 2008 LOTS OF PHOTO's
acc521 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19547290&postcount=287) April 10 2008 Perth Entertainment Center
acc521 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19547954&postcount=288) April 10 2008
WAuzzie (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19584882&postcount=314) April 12 2008
WAuzzie (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19586010&postcount=315) April 12 2008
Auxodium (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19634831&postcount=331) April 14 2008
dallastexjr (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19709063&postcount=355) April 16 2008 Trams
acc521 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19709574&postcount=356) April 16 2008
acc521 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19712591&postcount=365) April 16 2008 Boans
Ipggi (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19733634&postcount=368) April 17 2008 Boans/Aherns
dallastexjr (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=19743182&postcount=373) April 17 2008
Ipggi (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=20036417&postcount=416) April 26 2008 Swan Brewery Lights
dallastexjr (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=20075009&postcount=420) April 27 2008 Swan Brewery Lights
Auxodium (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=20359513&postcount=431) May 5 2008
Auxodium (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=20359875&postcount=433) May 5 2008 Red Mail Boxes
Auxodium (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=20360633&postcount=434) May 5 2008 Narrows
comingsoon (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=9802354&postcount=1) August 31 2006 Lost Perth
Bonga (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=21281030&postcount=459) May 31 2008 Swan River
Rocstar (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=21383644&postcount=462) June 4 2008
acc521 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=21527165&postcount=464) June 8 2008
Auxodium (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=21528354&postcount=465) June 9 2008 Perth Zoo
Auxodium (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=21528454&postcount=466) June 9 2008
Auxodium (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=21528525&postcount=467) June 9 2008 Narrows Bridge
Auxodium (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=21528672&postcount=468) June 9 2008 Pano of Esplanade
Auxodium (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=21529685&postcount=469) June 9 2008
Auxodium (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=21530069&postcount=470) June 9 2008 The Baths
acc521 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=21804841&postcount=473) June 17 2008
BeeJAy (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=21833004&postcount=488) June 18 2008 1974 International Motor Show
Auxodium (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=21975591&postcount=497) June 24 2008 Foreshore Reclaim
Ipggi (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=21984875&postcount=501) June 24 2008 CP under construction
acc521 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=23450838&postcount=505) August 2 2008
Mat_351 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=23732020&postcount=511) August 8 2008 Old Telephone Exchange
Auxodium (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=24589534&postcount=518) August 28 2008 Joondalup railway
Auxodium (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=24589736&postcount=519) August 28 2008 northern suburbs railway
Ipggi (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=24735238&postcount=530) September 1 2008 Guildford Hotel
crave (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=24736632&postcount=533) September 1 2008 Guildford Hotel
alvse (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=24753748&postcount=542) September 1 2008 Perth Train Station
dallastexjr/Ipggi (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=24755526&postcount=548) September 1 2008 Old Theatre Royal
Ipggi (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=25245208&postcount=567) September 12 2008
alvse (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=25397022&postcount=575) September 16 2008 Chancery House
alvse (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=25397428&postcount=576) September 16 2008 R&I Bank Tower
alvse (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=25426834&postcount=582) September 17 2008 Burswood Resort
alvse (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=25430576&postcount=585) September 17 2008 160 Years of The West
StuRap (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=25627128&postcount=601) September 22 2008
Auxodium (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=25740066&postcount=618) September 25 2008 Farmer Freeway
Laing (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=26169118&postcount=620) October 5 2008 Oriental hotel
Bonga (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=26178054&postcount=630) October 5 2008 Hay Street West Perth
Laing (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=26221136&postcount=647) October 6 2008
Laing (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=26221764&postcount=648) October 6 2008
Auxodium (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=26416606&postcount=652) October 10 2008 Aerials Of CBD
Auxodium (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=26632190&postcount=680) October 15 2008 Aerials Of CBD
Bonga (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=26420486&postcount=653) October 10 2008
crazyknightsfan (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=26543508&postcount=662) October 13 2008 Trolley Buses

[city_thing]

LINKS to photos in this thread.

BeeJAy (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=26770466&postcount=3) October 18 2008
Bonga (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=26772186&postcount=5) October 18 2008 Viking House
BeeJAy (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=26898884&postcount=34) October 21 2008
Ipggi (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=27060284&postcount=45) October 24 2008 Capitol Theatre
urbanwriter (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=27400548&postcount=50) October 31 2008 Articles from The West's Archives
perthgazer (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=27479306&postcount=52) November 2 2008 one40william heritage facade
chrisaus (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=27529960&postcount=63) November 3 2008 East Perth Skyline Ariel
Auxodium (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=27564328&postcount=71) November 4 2008 Lincoln Street Ventilation Stack
Rocstar (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=27762436&postcount=75) November 8 2008
Ipggi (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=27773582&postcount=76) November 9 2008
Auxodium (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=27874004&postcount=78) November 11 2008
frak86 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=28014412&postcount=79) November 14 2008
acc521 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=28030352&postcount=85) November 14 2008
Auxodium (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=29050060&postcount=95) December 7 2008
Ipggi (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=29332268&postcount=102) December 13 2008
dallastexjr (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=29554130&postcount=104) December 18 2008 Causeway
Swan (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=29680840&postcount=105) December 21 2008 Perth Icon Tower
NZer (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=30193134&postcount=118) January 3 2009

[BeeJAy]

Please tell me you archived the previous thread Docker, it'd be a shame to loose all the old photos that had been posted.

here is the old thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=600041) which has some pure gold.
:)

http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/pd340/340756PD.jpg
Brought this forward from the old thread, I'm curious to know what the building to the South (left in this image) of the Commonwealth Bank building (where CP is now) is? I don't think i've seen it in pictures before, plus I've noticed that images of that area facing that direction are quite rare.

[BeeJAy]

I went to the State Library archive again after being curious, here's a few pics that i've found which don't appear to have been posted previously.

http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/pd215/215433PD.jpg
Here's a picture oft he newly finished Busport in 1992 with Central Park in black still under construction, it looks kinda cool in black.

http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/pd216/216302PD.jpg
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/pd216/216548PD.jpg
QV1, Westralia Square and CP under construction.

http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/pd216/216785PD.jpg
This is supposedly 1985, but that doesn't look like Bankwest UC, plus AMP would be blocking it unless it's to the side and an optical illusion.

http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/sks/000084d.jpg
1986, Bankwest appears to be UC in the background, St Martins Tower looks so dated there, this is before the recladding?

http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/pd281/281014PD.jpg
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/pd281/281019PD.jpg
The Bankwest model in 1984, "Palace Site Development for the Bond Corporation"

http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/illustrations/238,851PD.jpg
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/illustrations/238,850PD.jpg
This got me a little giggle, it's 1957 and Monsanto Chemicals, a plastics company is a little over ambitious with it's idea of the "Monsanto Chemicals house of the future", the house is meant to be made entirely of Plastic.

[Bonga]

Brought this forward from the old thread, I'm curious to know what the building to the South (left in this image) of the Commonwealth Bank building (where CP is now) is? I don't think i've seen it in pictures before, plus I've noticed that images of that area facing that direction are quite rare.
Well spotted! It appears to have been called "Viking House," and later "National House."

Apparently it was home to "National Insurance Company of N.Z. Ltd and Stewarts Tailoring Co." in 1951. I guess it was demolished in the 70's to make way for the AMP tower... :bash:

1920:
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/wepon/architecture/003994d.jpg

1929:
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/pd095/095,561PD.jpg

1951:
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/illustrations/234,808PD.jpg

1970:
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/misc14/013371d.jpg

[Johnvb]

That building is such a loss :(

[JWPJ]

If they were to resurrect any old buildings that would definitely be one of my first choices... I love how the thin columns make a relatively short building seem so powerful and imposing..

[Dockside]

^^What where they thinking back in the 60s & 70s..Europe's cities were bombed out by war, in Australia it was the goverments of the day, state sanctioned vandalism at its worst....:ohno::ohno:

[scotdaliney]

^^What where they thinking back in the 60s & 70s..Europe's cities were bombed out by war, in Australia it was the goverments of the day, state sanctioned vandalism at its worst....:ohno::ohno:

So many fantastic buildings were lost, serves perth right I guess.

[Auxodium]

http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/illustrations/238,850PD.jpg

that would be a hot looking building... but not out of plastic though :P definatly a bold design...

[JWPJ]

Didn't they do "The Home of the Future" at Disneyland? And then when they tried to knock it down the wrecking ball just bounced off?

[acc521]

I want an eccentric rich person to buy one of the crappy stit box buildings in the city, knock it down and resurrect one of these oldies.

[desperaterobots]

Old thread should have stayed, or at least the good stuff extracted and shoved in the opening post!

[acc521]

^^Definately. It was more of a pic browsing thread for reference for people interested in that sort of thing in general. Seems pointless to archive it because this thread, without all those pics, is useless and I don't think anyone is expecting to repost everything. Can threads be unarchived?

[Scraperfan]

instead of archiving, all posts with no pictures should just be deleted from the old pages.

[Auxodium]

leadership gone too far! REVIEW RUDD STYLE!

[acc521]

instead of archiving, all posts with no pictures should just be deleted from the old pages.

Not really because there was some good insightful discussion and information shared in the discussion. Probably putting all the image links in the first post of the new thread is the best.

[docker]

it's not that hard to go into the archive forum and look at the pictures. all it means is clicking on one more link then before, just click on the old thread link in the opening post and it is no different to if it was still here.

[docker]

be happy, i linked all the old photos in the first post

[acc521]

^^You da man!

[Auxodium]

Perth 1958
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/107/261816196_7cb610b4a6.jpg?v=0

Perth 1948
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/107/261816194_859adaa0a9.jpg?v=0

Perth 1920
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/85/261021388_3f261a5b55.jpg?v=0

Perth 1900's
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/88/261021387_370835de31.jpg?v=0

Old Canning Bridge
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/92/260175977_73bdc1feb6.jpg?v=0

Kings Park & Swan Brewery
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/119/260175976_47a8474376.jpg?v=0

Perth 1853?
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/83/259173794_9ee7ab2a56.jpg?v=0

Old Perth Map
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/92/214561891_b2ff160f47.jpg?v=0

Perth 1868
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/82/259173802_05c8d2c21d.jpg?v=0


'stolen' from Thisperthlife (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thisperthlife/)

[docker]

^^ hmm, only two of those pictures have not been posted on here before, the map and the 1900's although i might be mistaken with the second one.

SO who on here is Thisperthlife? is it P4L?

[Dilaz89]

The bottom pic was taken where governor stirling stands today. The prominent building in that pic is also standing.

[Auxodium]

negative Docks... it couldnt be p4L

negative mr vice chair... the pic that is LAST is where newman house and HSBC stand... being cloisters...

governor stirling tower would be bottom right in the pic... well the base would be

[BeeJAy]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/83/259173794_9ee7ab2a56.jpg?v=0
Anybody have ideas as to why the tracks are all over the place, it's like the driver was drunk... or the horse.

[docker]

negative Docks... it couldnt be p4L

negative mr vice chair... the pic that is LAST is where newman house and HSBC stand... being cloisters...

governor stirling tower would be bottom right in the pic... well the base would be

to what, to them being shown before? or to it being P4L? i just said him because of the recurrance in the sounds of the two names...

[Auxodium]

no silly the latter part... i would assume they have been seen before lol the name reference

[Scraperfan]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/83/259173794_9ee7ab2a56.jpg?v=0
Anybody have ideas as to why the tracks are all over the place, it's like the driver was drunk... or the horse.

...rainbow serpent.

[city_thing]

I'd be drunk too if I was living in Perth in 1853.

[crazyknightsfan]

...rainbow serpent.

I think the dreamtime was a little before 1853

[Auxodium]

I'd be drunk too if I was living in Perth in 1853.

and nearly 200 years later nothing changes in Perth ;) :lol:

[jcocks]

The bottom pic was taken where governor stirling stands today. The prominent building in that pic is also standing.

That would be the cloisters.... Was originally a boys school, so I believe...

[Blindfold]

Old Perth Map
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/92/214561891_b2ff160f47.jpg?v=0


I reckon that map is no older than about 1983. The Kwinana Freeway goes down to South Street, Willetton is nearly fully developed and the Mitchell Freeway is featured. Also Nicholson Road follows it current route and not is old alignment.

[BeeJAy]

Here's some pics I got off Panoramio, users roskruge (http://www.panoramio.com/user/755668) and Ntrust (http://www.panoramio.com/user/2187999) (National Trust?)

After having to rewrite this post about 3 times now the dates of images or what is in them is not necessarily correct, in fact some of the dates can be widely out of what they really are

http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/5439296.jpg
This is the new foreshore construction in 1965, seems like they created an island temporarily

http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/3882126.jpg
This is supposedly Government House and Riverside Drive in 1968

http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/3882214.jpg
Foreshore in 1968, gives an idea of how large the area is

http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/5284511.jpg
The amazing CML building in 1976

http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/15075557.jpg
CML building again in the 1950s

http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/3902104.jpg
http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/3902085.jpg
http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/3900767.jpg
http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/3902098.jpg
These were taken during the closing down sale for Boans, immediately prior to demolition.

http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/3900508.jpg
Ambassador Theatre in 1968

http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/5103644.jpg
Hay Street/William Street 1970ish, I love the direction arrows on the pedestrian crossing

http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/5102000.jpg
City view from Stirling Street in 1965

http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/4413848.jpg
View from similar position in 1970

http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/4413879.jpg
St George's Terrace west end from Kings Park 1970ish

http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/4413841.jpg
Exchange Plaza under construction, he has it incorrectly listed as Allendale Square in 1977

http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/3900760.jpg
Gledden Building (TAA, was it their main HQ?) and William Street 1972

http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/3900753.jpg
Same day as above it appears, not much has changed since then in this image

http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/3900545.jpg
The Foreshore sand mounds again, new Mount Eliza Apartments, he states January 1967, but it wasn't officially finished until 1968

Edit:
http://www.slv.vic.gov.au/pictoria/a/1/9/im/a19072.jpg
This appears to be the Prudential Building at 95 St George's Terrace, predecessor to the below building, built in 1954, image taken in the 1950s, it was the first post war commercial building in Perth

http://static3.bareka.com/photos/medium/14423982.jpg
http://static3.bareka.com/photos/medium/14863918.jpg
95 St George's Terrace stating it was built in 1971 to replace it's predecessor with 3 times the floor space.

http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/14864120.jpg
MLC Building prior to it's Kingsgate Apartments refurbishment, built in 1957 it was our first modern office building

http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/14862048.jpg
37 St George's Terrace with the United Service Hotel next door, image taken during WW1 showing troops marching before they left, there's toilets in the middle of the street and a tram on barrack street waiting to pass

http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/15075768.jpg
40 St Gerorge's Terrace, Commercial Bank of Australia building, demolished in 1975

http://static4.bareka.com/photos/medium/14423527.jpg
84 St George's Terrace, ANZ Bank 1965-1991, picture taken in 1967, Home Building Society building to the right was demolished for Trinity Arcade

[BIG MAN]

the CML builds looks like a stunner, what replaced it?
ta
:cheers:

[BeeJAy]

the CML builds looks like a stunner, what replaced it?
ta
:cheers:

http://www.emporis.com/images/6/2000/12/112252.jpg
The Colonial Building in 1982, the only thing special about it is that it could possibly be the brownest building in the city

[Sanj]

wow i didnt realise that mt eliza was 40 years old!

[Bonga]

One of the surprising things I have learnt from these threads is how recently some of our best buildings were demolished. I'd always assumed that most of the destruction occurred in the 50's and 60's... but it seems like the worst of it actually took place in the 70's, with some even occurring in the early 80's. :(

[Ipggi]

It's not so bad in regards to the CML building as at least there are other examples of it. You can visit Brisbane and see 'The Manor Apartment Hotel' their former CML Building, it is a similar design to what Perth lost. The the Perth CML building was slightly nicer and grander.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_gLMDW-9w6ys/RcHdVSIARWI/AAAAAAAAANA/jjZopQhlYFg/s1600/Manor_Apts1_010207.JPGhttp://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/5284511.jpg

[Bonga]

It's not so bad in regards to the CML building as at least there are other examples of it. You can visit Brisbane and see 'The Manor Apartment Hotel' their former CML Building, it is a similar design to what Perth lost. The the Perth CML building was slightly nicer and grander.
Thanks, just Googled it. You're right, it looks extremely similar to Perth's. Great that it has survived, but I'd much rather we still had ours!

To be honest, though, I'm not as sad about that one as some of the others we lost. Moirs Chambers is always the first to spring to mind... what a heartbreaker.

Oddly enough, I don't mind some of the 50's/60's office boxes shown above.

[Blindfold]

Thanks BeeJAy



http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/3882126.jpg
This is supposedly Government House and Riverside Drive in 1968

Thats the top of Lawson Apartments


http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/3900545.jpg
The Foreshore sand mounds again, new Mount Eliza Apartments, he states January 1967, but it wasn't officially finished until 1968

From this angle it gives the illusion that Mt Eliza Apartments (or the giant spark-plug as I used to call it as a child) is at the same level as the reclaimed foreshore.

[Laing]

Thanks, just Googled it. You're right, it looks extremely similar to Perth's. Great that it has survived, but I'd much rather we still had ours!

To be honest, though, I'm not as sad about that one as some of the others we lost. Moirs Chambers is always the first to spring to mind... what a heartbreaker.

Oddly enough, I don't mind some of the 50's/60's office boxes shown above.

Adelaide has one too and Hobart has a little half size one.

[darkstar99]

Most of the destruction of Perth's old buildings were in the 1970's. The worst examples I think are the following ones:

1. Old AMP (demolished around 1972)
2. Esplanade Hotel (demolished in 1973)
3. Metro Theatre (demolished in 1973)
4. Embassy Ballroom (demolished around 1982)
5. Capitol Theatre (demolished in 1968)

Does anyone have any exterior photos of the Embassy Ballroom? Where was it located? I've found some interior shots but no exterior ones.

My dad used to go there in the 60's and would say that it was a beautiful building.

[acc521]

http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/illustrations1/002439d.jpg

http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/pd095/095,588PD.jpg

http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/pd018/018928PD.jpg

Can't find any of the exterior either.

[Ipggi]

I have been looking for information on The Embassy Ballroom for a while now and finally have some more information on it.

I hav a feeling The Embassy Ballroom was actually part of the Capitol Theatre (maybe the left hand doors in the photo below). The Capitol was at 10 William Street which is currently where the carpark entrance to the Westfarmers Building is near the Esplanade.

The Capitol
A huge collection of programmes, posters, photos and other memorabilia told
the story of the Capitol Theatre from its opening through to its demolition in
1967. A special section was dedicated to Harry M Miller’s rock and roll
Big Shows in 1964 to 1965, including a salute to the Embassy Ballroom, which adjoined the Capitol.
http://www.perththeatretrust.com.au/pdf/PTT%20Annual%20Report%20Final%20version%2007%20.pdf

21/4/1944 Friday
I was sent to RAAF Headquarters Western Area Transport section that was on
the corner of William Street and The Esplanade, Perth. The Air Force
commandeered it for the war years. Next door was the Embassy Ballroom and
the Capital Theatre
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:aDZSu-uRiMwJ:www.anzac.dpc.wa.gov.au/documents/stories/meldrum_kenneth_wilfred_20060309.pdf+embassy+ballroom+william+street+perth&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=uk&client=firefox-a

http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/illustrations/236,871PD.jpg

[Auxodium]

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7945/15102008412og2.jpg

[Scrawny]

^^

I always thought that where harbourtown is now would have been the perfect spot for a rectangular stadium.

[Auxodium]

it was but Nick fuckwit Tana said no... *shakes head*

and the liberal government wasnt very supportive... gee what a suprise! things never change with the libs! :lol:

[acc521]

Would have had Subi, the Rectangle Stadium and Perth Arena all practically along the same street, all connected by rail. Sigh...

[docker]

it's depressing that they had the same mind set in the late 1980's but then didn't fullfil their own hopes, hopefully FP will make it happen this time.

Okay, I'm going hunting. Meanwhile, this was interesting:

24/10/1987 Page Number: 4
Photo Captions: Multiplex site manager Waldemar Rymarski on the 47th floor of the R & I Tower.
Byline: WAINWRIGHT R;
Headline: Palace now a lingering shadow
Story Text: THE gutted Palace Hotel stood below - a reminder of the past.
From the top of the new R & I Bank Tower, 214 metres above St Georges
Terrace, the once-majestic hotel building appeared a lingering shadow.
All that remains is the fragile facade and central stairway.
But from the top of the R & I the views are breath-taking.
You can watch football at Subiaco Oval and the WACA Ground at the same
time.
The construction of Perth's tallest and most controversial building (48
storeys) was completed yesterday with a ceremonial concrete pour 214 metres above St Georges Terrace.
For the civic and business dignitaries watching on closed-circuit
television from the comfort of the 22nd floor, the ceremony was more than just the final touches to a skyscraper.
It signalled the start of a changing city skyline. Next to watch will be
the even bigger (50 storeys) Central Park Towers. Work has already started on the building on the old David Jones site.

AND THIS IS JUST FASCINATING:

15/11/1988 Page Number: 22
Byline: WADDACOR G;
Headline: Disquiet as city soars skyward
Story Text: IN 1930 the old Boans store and the General Post Office dominated the Central Business District's skyline.
Fifty-eight years on the focal point of the riverside city is the newly
completed R and I Bank tower.
But in 12 years' time the 48-storey tower will be dwarfed by 55 and
60-storey towers as developers continue their race for the sky.
By the turn of the century several superstructure projects now on the
drawing board will be concrete and glass realities jutting into the heavens.
The towers will include the:
$1.2 billion Westralia Square development containing a 55-storey and twin
20-storey towers on a St Georges Terrace super-site.
$500 million, 53-storey Central Park Tower development on the old David Jones
site.
$460 million, 42-storey QV1 office and plaza complex on the corner of St
Georges Terrace and Milligan Street.
60-storey Bishop's See tower - the second stage of the St George's Square
development - on the corner of St Georges Terrace and Mount Street.
Other developments likely to alter the city's skyline are:
$100 million, three-tower Terrace Gardens office/residential complex on the
old Prestige Toyota site next to the Hyatt Regency Hotel stretching from
Terrace Road to Adelaide Terrace, which will consist of a seven-storey,
56-unit building; a 24-storey tower containing 30 serviced apartments and 72
residential units and an eight-storey office block.
$200 million redevelopment of the old Emu Brewery site on Mounts Bay Road
into West End Business Park containing seven towers ranging from four to 23
storeys surrounded by plazas and landscaped gardens. A possible redevelopment
of the neighbouring site is likely to complement the business park. Bond
Corporation recently paid $1.65 million for the site at 130 Mounts Bay Road
where the three-storey Astoria Apartments building stands.
$30 million office park development proposed for the Perth City Council's 3B
car park next to the Orchard Hotel. The 1.6ha site bounded by Wellington,
Murray and Elder streets will consist of seven buildings ranging from two to
eight storeys.
With developers aiming to curtail urban sprawl and maximise prime CBD space,
existing 55 and 60-storey proposals are likely to be superseded by taller
skyscrapers in 2000.
But will the present pace of CBD development - triggered to a large extent
by last year's sharemarket crash - continue?
Already experts are sounding the alarm on more development with many prime
commercial buildings well below their occupancy rate.
Amid the cacophony of building site noise, the Perth City Council has
frequently been criticised for encouraging the race for the sky to the
detriment of the city at eye level.
Other critics claim the council has ignored the strain on city roads by
not restricting developments to more realistic levels. They say if the pace
continues Perth streets will become a pedestrian's nightmare.
The council's fascination with high-rise developments has sparked repeated
calls by planning experts for a separate central city planning authority to be
set up.
In its review of the Metropolitan Region Scheme (MRS), the State Planning
Commission says: "The central area is of unquestionable state and regional
significance.
"The state, therefore, needs to be concerned and involved in central area
planning issues.
"There should be a review of the relationship between the SPC and the PCC
in recognition of the special role of the central area."
Other experts say the public transport system in the car-orientated city
will need a massive overhaul if the city is to cope with the influx of 100,000
commuters projected for 2021.
To this end the government is endeavouring to ease traffic congestion on
feeder roads with multi-million-dollar projects planned.
These include a new bus station at Mounts Bay Road, the electrification of
the Perth suburban rail network and the possibility of a rapid transport
system between the CBD and the northern suburbs.
With car parking coming under more pressure, Perth commuters will be
forced out of the driver's seat and on to public transport.
In its MRS review the government continues to call for decentralisation in
a bid to halt the concrete jungle's sprawl.
Already it is setting the trend with the State Government Insurance
Commission and the State Energy Commission planning to relocate their head
offices to Mirrabooka and the Herdsman business park respectively.
As CBD rentals continue their upward spiral, more and more business groups
are likely to turn away from the city in search of offices in the regional
centres.
The MRS review says that while Perth will always be the main employment
centre, its total share of the workforce will decline by 2021.
It goes on to say that the CBD should become a more specialised business,
retailing and entertainment centre and should strive to create a livelier
atmosphere to attract people other than commuters.
It says the CBD's residential component should be strengthened to give the
city added vitality and to take advantage of its special facilities and
attractions.
But whatever changes may be in store for the Golden State's capital, by
2000 its skyline will be markedly different to that which graces the river
foreshore today.

OMG our archives are a freaking treasure trove! They're better than google. I'm going to spend so much time in there for fun from here on in.

23/10/1992 Page Number: 40
Photo Captions: TALL ORDER: Construction worker Des Kelch looks down from Perth's loftiest perch, atop Central Park.
Byline: STONEY K;
Headline: Mast caps off building boom
Story Text: PERTH's high-rise construction binge is over. It ended yesterday with the
placement of a communications mast on top of the $186.5 million Central Park
building, which bounds Hay Street and St Georges Terrace.
The past decade has been the most active high-rise construction period
seen, and has shaped the Perth skyline for the next decade and beyond.
The final moment was a particularly tall order for Kewdale Structural
Engineering construction worker Des Kelch who supervised the placement of the
22-metre spire atop the 51-storey office block.
With its new mast the building, owned by the Government Employees
Superannuation Board, reaches 261.7 metres above sea level, ending by a mere
1.6 metres the R&I Tower's four-year reign as Perth's tallest.
Within a few weeks, the CBD's sole crane atop Central Park will be
dismantled, ending the boom-time for commercial office construction in Perth.
In the past 18 months, Perth has been swamped with more than 160,000sqm of
office space following the completion of QV1 (59700sqm), Exchange Plaza
(34,010sqm), stage one of Westralia Square (33,000sqm) and the WA Mint
development (1080sqm).
Building and construction industry analysts predict a crane may not grace
another CBD building until later this decade or possibly well into the next
century.
A report by leading Australian building analyst BIS Shrapnel mid-year found
WA now had the lowest building activity levels of all Australian states.
It predicted a massive 58 per cent cut in the construction of new offices
in 1992-93 and that the sector would remain depressed until 2005-06.

[NZer]

Wow, some really interesting stuff there.
I never realized that even back in 1988 the idea of increased population in the CBD was recognized as a good one, I though that this was one of the most sprawltastic times.

And QV1-$460m, CP-$500m, that would have been really big money back then.

[perthgazer]

what once was

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/72/174309370_6d17b116a4_b.jpg

[PerthCity]

Aren't the facades coming back? What am I thinking about if they aren't?

[perthgazer]

The dark one in the middle (The Mitchell Building) is coming back, the rest are gone (except the Wellington Building on corner which is still there)

[jackso]

At least its for somethign worthwhile. We are getting a quality development, so its not a complete waste.

[PerthCity]

In 30 years though people will be sitting here calling for the ugly eyesore of 140william to be knocked down.

But I guess you can't stifle development for a few small old buildings though. That's the problem with this city, we were so small 100 years ago that not many worthy buildings could be retained in our CBD from this time period.

[Dilaz89]

No, we will be looking back and telling the next generation of ssc nerdz what a good example of 2000's architecture it is.

[jackso]

Sort of like the people who dont like Perth Concert Hall, when in reality it is fantastic, just not an example of current architecture. I think one40 will be able to be appreciated for a while to come.

[PerthCity]

No, we will be looking back and telling the next generation of ssc nerdz what a good example of 2000's architecture it is.

Perhaps. But then again there were people just last week calling for the destruction of our East Perth rail terminal, and I think it's a rather good example of early 70s architecture.

[jackso]

This is true.
As Dilaz said it will be th young ones calling for the demolition, and the more experienced ones pointing out its architectural merits.

[Auxodium]

In 30 years though people will be sitting here calling for the ugly eyesore of 140william to be knocked down.

But I guess you can't stifle development for a few small old buildings though. That's the problem with this city, we were so small 100 years ago that not many worthy buildings could be retained in our CBD from this time period.

prolly in 40 years time they will call for it to be torn down and a bigger and better tower to take its place... but time will certainly tell

[chrisaus]

they should have retained the king kong store and building, now that was pure perth class

[docker]

found this buried in the Sky Apartments thread...



http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7794/rimg0595hl2.jpg
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/6665/rimg0596ze9.jpg

[gotime]

^^^^^^^^^^

you'd think they would do something with the old perth cemetery. in that first photo it looks horrible.

i read an article on it recently and it's got some fairly important early settlers buried there. why doesn't it have a proper fence around it. and why wouldn't it be reticulated? cemeteries in many european cities are important tourist sites. i know perth's history is very limited. but come on... a bit of landscape is all it needs

edit: and when are the police going to move out of that old building oppossite? i was in there recently and it's a beautiful building. should become a hotel and all that extra land for vehicle inspections developed.

[Auxodium]

Speaking of things that are old... it mad me sad the police monument in Highgate... it is tagged and vandalised.... such a shame

[gotime]

Speaking of things that are old... it mad me sad the police monument in Highgate... it is tagged and vandalised.... such a shame

police monument? where's that?

you don't mean the sewerage vent with the police bicycle squard next door?

[NZer]

The state of that cemetery is disgraceful, it is a very important historic site for Perth.
As gotime said, all it needs is for the grass to be kept green, and a proper fence.

One of the things that I like about Perth, is that just when you think you know all of it's history, you come accross something new and fascinating.

Check out this link:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/graves/intro.htm

[Auxodium]

gotime it is a very tall art deco cenotaph... it is very tired looking and tagged... sad.... you can always see it at Glory games

[gotime]

gotime it is a very tall art deco cenotaph... it is very tired looking and tagged... sad.... you can always see it at Glory games

yeah it's a sewerage vent:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Street_Vent
The Lincoln Street Ventilation Stack is a prominent landmark in Highgate, a suburb of Perth, Western Australia. Built by the Metropolitan Water Supply and Drainage Department in 1935 as a sewer vent, it is of brick construction rendered in Art Deco style and stands 38 metres (120 ft) tall, making it the second tallest sewer vent in Australia (after a 40 metres (130 ft) structure in Sydney).

The vent was intended to safely discharge acidic gas with the potential to damage Perth's sewer network and was hence built on top of Highgate Hill above a high point in the system. It proved unsuccessful, inadequately venting the sewer gas and - under certain weather conditions - dispersing what gas it vented over the surrounding houses and police station. It was sealed in 1941 after which it was referred to as "Dumas's Folly", after Chief Engineer of the Public Works Department, Russell Dumas.[1]

A similar vent was planned for the suburb of Subiaco, but was never constructed.

In 1941 the Police Wireless Service moved to the adjacent Highgate Police Station, and the vent tower was put into service as a radio antenna. The move and the tower's new function were kept secret - initially to protect against Japanese air raids during World War II - and weren't revealed until 1956. The vent continued in this role until 1975 and several antennas are still visible on top of the structure.

The Lincoln Street Vent is listed with the National Trust of Australia.

[Auxodium]

ahh i knew i had my facts slightly wrong, cheers mate

[Auxodium]

could say that it is old perth too if you look in the background!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Police_com_tower_gnangarra.JPG

[desperaterobots]

It's a great structure. I was excited to see what was at the base of it. When I finally got around to finding out... Heh. Dissapointing.

[Auxodium]

i know and it is so run down and damaged...surely the heritage council would think of doing it up to make it look respectable...

[darkstar99]

I have been looking for information on The Embassy Ballroom for a while now and finally have some more information on it.

I hav a feeling The Embassy Ballroom was actually part of the Capitol Theatre (maybe the left hand doors in the photo below). The Capitol was at 10 William Street which is currently where the carpark entrance to the Westfarmers Building is near the Esplanade.

The Capitol
A huge collection of programmes, posters, photos and other memorabilia told
the story of the Capitol Theatre from its opening through to its demolition in
1967. A special section was dedicated to Harry M Miller’s rock and roll
Big Shows in 1964 to 1965, including a salute to the Embassy Ballroom, which adjoined the Capitol.
http://www.perththeatretrust.com.au/pdf/PTT%20Annual%20Report%20Final%20version%2007%20.pdf

21/4/1944 Friday
I was sent to RAAF Headquarters Western Area Transport section that was on
the corner of William Street and The Esplanade, Perth. The Air Force
commandeered it for the war years. Next door was the Embassy Ballroom and
the Capital Theatre
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:aDZSu-uRiMwJ:www.anzac.dpc.wa.gov.au/documents/stories/meldrum_kenneth_wilfred_20060309.pdf+embassy+ballroom+william+street+perth&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=uk&client=firefox-a

http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/illustrations/236,871PD.jpg

I did a search on the Embassy Ballroom on google. It was used right up until 1982. It would host the occasional boxing bouts and was also used as a music venue. One link refers to the EB as the Temple Court (which was the building next to the Capitol theatre) on the corner of William St & The Esplanade.

So can we assume that the EB was demolished around '82 when Westfarmers building was built onto this site?

(P.S Not to be confused with the new Embassy Ballroom in Carlisle).

[RocStar]

Pix spaceballed..meaning..unable to post direct from site. cbf copying.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/national_museum_of_australia/2656946039/in/set-72157606098063430/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/frankhatzman/270936591/

[Ipggi]

I did a search on the Embassy Ballroom on google. It was used right up until 1982. It would host the occasional boxing bouts and was also used as a music venue. One link refers to the EB as the Temple Court (which was the building next to the Capitol theatre) on the corner of William St & The Esplanade.

So can we assume that the EB was demolished around '82 when Westfarmers building was built onto this site?

(P.S Not to be confused with the new Embassy Ballroom in Carlisle).

Well Capitol Theatre opened in 1904 and was demolished circa 1968. I am pretty sure Temple Court was also the name of the Embassy Ballroom prior to 1933. So I assumed it was demolished at the same time as the Embassy in 1968 but that seems to be wrong as shown by this 1973 picture (far left).

http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/pd224/224038PD.jpg

Here is the Temple Court Building from 1934. The entrance to the ball room upstairs is to the arched left doorway in the first picture?
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/illustrations1/002377d.jpghttp://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/illustrations1/002378d.jpg

[Blindfold]

^^ I'm quite sure Temple Court/Embassy Ballroom was still standing in the early 80's and only demolished to make way for the Wesfarmers Building.

[Auxodium]

Reasonably old... 2003 is still old ;)


http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/6073/pa290011ns8.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/416/pa290024zi9.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/9831/pa290026we7.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4599/pa290027ja9.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9286/pa290030te8.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5120/pa290034bu3.jpg
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/4111/pa290036bk0.jpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/3923/pa290041zk0.jpg

[frak86]

Demolished multi-storey carpark on Stirling and James Streets Perth
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/pd216/216458PD.jpg

Perth skyline from South Perth on a wintery day, 1991
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/pd216/216548PD.jpg

Grand Theatre, Murray Street, Perth
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/misc3/004495d.jpg

Swan River viewed from 200 Adelaide Terrace office looking towards South Perth
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/pd320/320019PD.jpg

Aerial photograph of Perth looking towards South Perth, 1989
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/pd216/216656PD.jpg

Reclining Figure by Henry Moore in the Perth Cultural Centre
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/pd228/228423PD.jpg

Myer store and Forrest Chase, Perth 1988-89
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/pd216/216549PD.jpg
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/pd216/216788PD.jpg

Centre of City Arcade, Perth, 1988
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/wepon/architecture/004446d.jpg

Palace Hotel, Perth 1988
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/pd281/281463PD.jpg
http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/pd281/281465PD.jpg

[Blindfold]

^^ The pics of the Palace Hotel are much older than 1988. Try 1978 (at the very latest) as you can see AMP under construction in the first shot.

[frak86]

^^ The pics of the Palace Hotel are much older than 1988. Try 1978 (at the very latest) as you can see AMP under construction in the first shot.

opps my bad :cheers: tgif

[BeeJAy]

^^ The pics of the Palace Hotel are much older than 1988. Try 1978 (at the very latest) as you can see AMP under construction in the first shot.

Yeah I've noticed that when the State Library get the years wrong they usually get them wrong by 1 number, I wonder if they take any feedback in order to update the inaccurate information?

[city_thing]

yeah it's a sewerage vent:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Street_Vent
The Lincoln Street Ventilation Stack is a prominent landmark in Highgate, a suburb of Perth, Western Australia. Built by the Metropolitan Water Supply and Drainage Department in 1935 as a sewer vent, it is of brick construction rendered in Art Deco style and stands 38 metres (120 ft) tall, making it the second tallest sewer vent in Australia (after a 40 metres (130 ft) structure in Sydney).

The vent was intended to safely discharge acidic gas with the potential to damage Perth's sewer network and was hence built on top of Highgate Hill above a high point in the system. It proved unsuccessful, inadequately venting the sewer gas and - under certain weather conditions - dispersing what gas it vented over the surrounding houses and police station. It was sealed in 1941 after which it was referred to as "Dumas's Folly", after Chief Engineer of the Public Works Department, Russell Dumas.[1]

A similar vent was planned for the suburb of Subiaco, but was never constructed.

In 1941 the Police Wireless Service moved to the adjacent Highgate Police Station, and the vent tower was put into service as a radio antenna. The move and the tower's new function were kept secret - initially to protect against Japanese air raids during World War II - and weren't revealed until 1956. The vent continued in this role until 1975 and several antennas are still visible on top of the structure.

The Lincoln Street Vent is listed with the National Trust of Australia.

I went 'urban exploring' with this group once and they talked about how the tunnels under this are awesome but it's incredibly hard to break in to and very cramped down bellow. But apparently it's the coolest explorer route in Perth if you can manage to get down there.

I'm not sure if the group is still around - try Googling them. They might still be doing tours of Perth's sewers and forgotten tunnels. I might check them out here in Melb now that I think of it.

[Auxodium]

oh... WA library getting the dates wrong...

[acc521]

All the talk about the "haunted site" but I had never seen pics until today of the old EMU brewery

http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/misc9/009242d.jpg
?

followed by

http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/pd267/267,971PD.jpg
1977

[Ipggi]

The building shown in the 1977 photo was built in the mid-1930s. And was one of the great examples of Perth art deco. Despite eventually being heritage listed, it lay abandoned for years after it's closure in 1978(?). Due to it's location and potentially blocking Parliament House, redevelopment was bogged in red tap. Laying abandoned, eventually it was demolished in late 1991 after numerous fires from vandals had made the building unstable.

It is a great shame this building was lost. If refurbished it really would have added some character to the area. Would have made a great gallery space, or even a shopping plaza.

[darkstar99]

The building shown in the 1977 photo was built in the mid-1930s. And was one of the great examples of Perth art deco. Despite eventually being heritage listed, it lay abandoned for years after it's closure in 1978(?). Due to it's location and potentially blocking Parliament House, redevelopment was bogged in red tap. Laying abandoned, eventually it was demolished in late 1991 after numerous fires from vandals had made the building unstable.

It is a great shame this building was lost. If refurbished it really would have added some character to the area. Would have made a great gallery space, or even a shopping plaza.

You're right. It is a shame. That's why we have so little left now. I can't believe it was demolished in 1991. You would have thought with the heritage listing that it would have been protected.

It reminds me of the CML building on St Georges Terrace (demolished in 1980). As someone on this forum mentioned, supposedly knocked down because one of the statues came off and the whole building was deemed unstable.

I think Perth's whole planning mindset was wrong in the 1960's and 1970's. In a perfect world, I think the 'new' city should have developed elsewhere (i.e West Perth) whilst the 'old' city with its old buildings should have been retained.

Its like in Europe. You don't see 100 year old buildings demolished and replaced by new ones. They build the new ones in another location.

[dallastexjr]

It's all part of our city's learning curve. Remember, Perth needs to reinvent the wheel almost every time!

When you're a young city, it's hard to take seriously your 'heritage', which I think is the core problem of why we demolished much of our great 'heritage' architecture decades ago.

Hopefully more groups dedicated to Perth's history, and even a small dedicated museum to the history of Perth, will go a long way in building public support against mindless demolition for the sake of short term profits.

[dallastexjr]

Actually, on the back of my last comment I just started a facebook group supporting a 'Museum of Perth' dedicated to the history of Australia's third oldest city. The link is below for those who would like to join. Costs nothing! :)

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=6272&uid=35620162565#/group.php?gid=35620162565

[city_thing]

I find it amazing that Perth is Australia's 3rd oldest city. It's surprising that it didn't become Australia's prime city - it's certainly the best positioned for trade and distance to Europe, Africa, India, Asia etc. (discounting Darwin with its heat).

Y'know Fremantle prison is older than the Houses of Parliament in Westminster....

[JWPJ]

I find it amazing that Perth is Australia's 3rd oldest city. It's surprising that it didn't become Australia's prime city - it's certainly the best positioned for trade and distance to Europe, Africa, India, Asia etc. (discounting Darwin with its heat).

Y'know Fremantle prison is older than the Houses of Parliament in Westminster....

Depends what you base it on... the oldest part of the building is from 1097, however the houses were destroyed in the 1800s and rebuilt by 1852. Now the whole building wasn't finished being rebuilt but the houses were... and as I say it is rebuilt. Fremantle Prison was opened in 1855... so as I say, depends what you base it on...

[Skyline Art]

All the talk about the "haunted site" but I had never seen pics until today of the old EMU brewery

http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/misc9/009242d.jpg
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followed by

http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/pd267/267,971PD.jpg
1977

Is that second photo meant to be also haunted???

Damn it stands out like a bit of a sore thumb but at the same time I like the boldness and how high is that blank wall.... better blank wall than some of the ones around the city today... I think I would have preffered that blank wall than the other ones around the city today....

Alas why did it have a big blank wall anyway? What did this house? A massive ministry like church or some sort of factory??

As for progress, i guess if this was in another location it could have stayed, if it is in the city then sure it would have to go eventually one would think, especially if it were sadly left abandoned and vandalised.

[Ipggi]

I find it amazing that Perth is Australia's 3rd oldest city. It's surprising that it didn't become Australia's prime city - it's certainly the best positioned for trade and distance to Europe, Africa, India, Asia etc. (discounting Darwin with its heat).

You are mistaken there, it is Australia's 3rd oldest capital city. I can list a number of cities in Australia that are older then Perth. Parramatta, Newcastle, Maitland, Port Macquarie, Launceston, Devonport, ...

As for why it didn't become a bigger player. Well for one, Perth never had a deep water port. The nearest deep port was in Albany? Fremantle required dredging. C. Y. O'Connor organised the effort yet that was not fully complete until 1903?

That was another issue, Perth had a separate port to the city. Sydney, Melbourne, had their main ports in what are now their central business districts which seems to have helped spur their growth.

Also the economies over east were simply more developed with the colonies being significantly richer. By the time WA had its first economic boom with the gold rush of the 1890s, the east coast was significantly more developed and populated.

[Ipggi]

Alas why did it have a big blank wall anyway? What did this house? A massive ministry like church or some sort of factory??

"the old EMU brewery" ..

http://www.lion-nathan.com/Great-Brands/AUS-Beer/Emu.aspx

[Auxodium]

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/3571/img0260qm2.jpg

[Nate Von Longneck II]

Nice find Aux!

[Auxodium]

and i have the sunburn to prove my find :lol:

i got to Members Equity a little too early thanks to an FFA bungle so i thought i go for a walk with my gf and i found this :P

[dallastexjr]

Skip the first 54 seconds of baby shit and check out a (probably) Super 8 film of Perth in 1973.

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[Auxodium]

1973 P plater hoon!

hey can anyone help me out in regards to some historical info... did Sir John Forrest have a house built along the terrace or adelaide terrace?

[Ipggi]

1973 P plater hoon!

hey can anyone help me out in regards to some historical info... did Sir John Forrest have a house built along the terrace or adelaide terrace?

Constant criticisms took their toll of Forrest's health. The pressure lifted a little after Sir John's resignation to enter Federal politics in February 1901 and in May Alexander was delighted with his appointment as C.M.G in recognition of his services as mayor. Later that month he was shattered by news of the death in action in the South African War of his 17-year-old son Anthony. On 20 June Alexander died at Perth of complications arising from kidney trouble. He was buried in Karrakatta cemetery. Probate was assessed at £195,238, one of the largest estates hitherto amassed in Western Australia, though probably diminished by unfortunate mining investments. In 1903 a statue of him was erected in a small reserve near his former home at the west end of St George's Terrace.

http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A080562b.htm

That was his brother Alexandria who had the house. There is a replica of it at the rear of the Forrest Centre, it used(?) to be known as Rigby's Bar & Bistro. The statue mentioned in the quoted text is now at the entrance of the Supreme Court Gardens.

http://www.theguide.com.au/ImageService.aspx?source=ac&imageid=30http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/Alexander_Forrest_statue.jpg/212px-Alexander_Forrest_statue.jpg

[Auxodium]

well according to my grandfather who passed away a decade ago, the doors of his house were from Sir John Forrest's house... i just wanted to know it it was real or not... Got fixtures of the building when they tore it down in the 1960's or 50's

now he built the house himself with my father who was a young lad at the time (in his mid 20's) and virtually all of the building materials were from demolished old heritage buildings along the terrace where my grandfather was involved in...

these doors (there are another set in the next room) were the ones i said were from Sir John Forrest's house apparently...


http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/5155/img0190so9.jpg

[Auxodium]

It used to be a department store back in its former glory days. Walsh's.

http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/pd363/363193PD.jpg

^^

[darkstar99]

^^

Are the upper floors used by shoppers? or do they just use it for storage space? Were the upper floors ever used when it used to be Walsh's?

Its not a bad looking building. Seems a great waste to simply use it as storage.

[dallastexjr]

I'm obviously bored....


THE HISTORY OF THE CAUSEWAY 1839-present (info from Wiki)

Initially, a dam was constructed across the mud flats in 1839, only 10 years after the establishment of the Swan River Colony.

The first pile of the original Causeway bridge was driven across the river flats on November 2, 1840. It was originally known as the Perth Bridge. In June 1862, the river flooded badly and the bridge was between seven and eight feet under water.

Built by convict labour, a second Causeway bridge was opened on November 12, 1867 by Governor John Hampton. A young onloooker called out after the official opening speeches were completed: "And I, John Stephen Maley, do hereby declare that I will be the first to cross this Perth Bridge and Causeway!" The Governor's party proceeded across the Causeway after the young man had crossed.

In 1905, the first tram crossed the Causeway.

In 1948, a major public works program commenced to rebuild the Causeway yet again. This project gave employment to many recently returned World War II veterans.

In the 1950s the tram system was closed down, so the rails were removed. In 1951 the roundabouts at either end were modeled and shown at an exhibition in Perth Town Hall by the National Safety Council of W.A. [1] - the subsequent development was indicated by the plaque on the eastern end of the Causeway dated September 19, 1952 "commemorates the completion of construction" - unveiled by the Hon Ross McLarty, Premier and the Hon David Brand, Minister for Works.

In the 1980s and 1990s there was considerable rebuilding of the approach roads onto the bridges.


First Causeway 1862
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/16/perthcauseway1860ssi3.jpg (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=perthcauseway1860ssi3.jpg)

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/1839/perthcauseway1862tv0.jpg (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=perthcauseway1862tv0.jpg)


Second Causeway 1880s
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/7954/perthcauseway18801900smh4.jpg (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=perthcauseway18801900smh4.jpg)

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/6788/perthcauseway18901900sasx6.jpg (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=perthcauseway18901900sasx6.jpg)

c1905
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/6558/perthcausewayc1905ua3.jpg (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=perthcausewayc1905ua3.jpg)

1906
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/9353/perthcauseway1906wz3.jpg (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=perthcauseway1906wz3.jpg)


Third and Final Causeway Construction 1951
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/2039/perthcurrentcausewayconlk2.jpg (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=perthcurrentcausewayconlk2.jpg)

[Swan]

Its the Perth Icon proposal back from December 1995. Was a bargain at $265 million when compared to these days but probably would have looked hideous on the Perth skyline.

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http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/8990/perthicongh1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[`dlskt]

That's hideous..

[docker]

Its the Perth Icon proposal back from December 1995. Was a bargain at $265 million when compared to these days but probably would have looked hideous on the Perth skyline.

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http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/8990/perthicongh1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

that is not picture of QV1, it is Central Park, and also QV1 was never the tallest in perth, as CP is currently tallest which was built 2 years after QV1, but Bank West was the previous tallest, which was built 3 years before QV1, which means QV1 was never the tallest anyway...

[Swan]

^^ yeah i know. it seems perth journalism was just as shit as it is today.

[crave]

lol...

[Auxodium]

insane

[aaronaugi1]

lol maybe someone just forgot to put a decimal place in between the 3 and the 6. :)

[Ipggi]

Not really that insane considering Perth usually always gets one of these random proposals every blue moon. The most recent one was that huge jet water fountain in the Swan River? Remember that lol.

[crave]

a huge water jet in tha water isn't as far fetched as some 365m unless concrete structure with a globe...

[Ipggi]

a huge water jet in tha water isn't as far fetched as some 365m unless concrete structure with a globe...

What do you think Sydney tower was in the 1970s when it was built ? :P

[crave]

that's sydney... by then they had a bridge and opera house half built...

[Ipggi]

You don't think a concrete tower would match the fine concrete bridges such as narrows and the causeway :lol:

[desperaterobots]

lol. "Solar powered lasers."

All I want is frickin' sharks with frickin' lasers beams attached to their heads.

[NZer]

Here is an old map of Perth, that my grandfather gave me. I stumbled accross it today whilst I was cleaning my room.

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/NZ458/OldPerthmap.jpg

[WAuzzie]

so unpopulated

[NZer]

Check out the rail spur down to Belmont from the Midland line.

[Bonga]

Check out the rail spur down to Belmont from the Midland line.
Yeah. I think I read somewhere that it was destroyed by a fire in the 60's. It would be nice if it were still there, and somehow extended to the airport. ;)

[Auxodium]

that was removed in 1958... there was an Ascot station on the South East side of the race ground

[Bullswool]

Here is an old map of Perth, that my grandfather gave me. I stumbled accross it today whilst I was cleaning my room.

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/NZ458/OldPerthmap.jpg

What do the red lines indicate? Major routes?

[Auxodium]

bus routes

[Bullswool]

Gosh even worse than today. Some close together, some far apart. Are you sure...? Who in their right mind would put a bus right through kings park...

[desperaterobots]

Look at the old coast line for the city. So neat. :D

[Laing]

I heard once that the bay around Mount Eliza was called the 'pool of tranquility' or something because is was so sheltered and calm.

Pre-1955 Perth was such an attractive city... and then they blew it.

[dallastexjr]

Mounts Bay Road, Perth
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"Mounts Bay Road is a major road in Perth, Western Australia, extending southwest from the central business district along the north bank of the Swan River, at the base of Kings Park. It runs between William Street and Winthrop Avenue in Crawley, continuing towards Fremantle as Stirling Highway and linking Perth with the University of Western Australia and the riverside suburbs of Nedlands and Claremont.

Mounts Bay Road is also home to the Old Swan Brewery, as well as a number of expensive high rise apartments and hotels overlooking the river.

Mounts Bay Road is named after Mounts Bay, the body of water in the Swan River Estuary that was infilled for the construction of the Narrows Interchange, and the road follows the boundary of the bay at the Narrows. It follows the Swan River estuary and forms the southern and southeastern boundary for Kings Park."

I remember reading years ago that Mounts Bay was the city light-reflecting part of the Swan River. Perhaps that was where the 'pool of tranquility' name stemmed from.

[desperaterobots]

The light reflecting part? How does that make any sense...?

Well at least we all have a freeway and a parking shed now.

[dallastexjr]

You guys at Uni who have access to online sources, perhaps you could look up this article using the info below (shouldn't take too long) and post the full text here? Might be beneficial for those studying urban design etc.

"Landscape planning: a conceptual perspective" by George Seddon

From Landscape and Urban Planning, Volume 13, 1986, Pages 335-347
George Seddon View Abstract

Section from google...."A new bridge and traffic interchange built in the 1960's led to disastrous infilling of Mounts Bay, Perth's reflecting pool, but its impact has been ..."

Abstract: "The paper examines the conceptual bases of the related fields of landscape planning, landscape architecture, and town and regional planning by semantic exploration. The major conclusions drawn are that good landscape planning must have an ecological base: the practice of “creative ecology” is recommended. It must also have regard for visual quality. At least superficially, these two demands may be in conflict: they must be reconciled.

Good landscape planning is inescapably multidisciplinary. No student can learn, or program teach, the full range of necessary skills. The most difficult educational task is to teach the art of integration."

[dallastexjr]

The light reflecting part? How does that make any sense...?



Don't ask me, love, I'm just quotin' away. Perhaps it reflected the city lights best, perhaps being a bay the water was calmer, I don't freakin' know :)

[dallastexjr]

More info re the Swan River (slow news week...) from good ol' wiki.

SWAN RIVER SNIPPETS

Almost immediately after the Town of Perth was established, a systematic effort was underway to reshape the river. This was done for many reasons:

* to alleviate flooding in winter periods;
* improve access for boats by having deeper channels and jetties;
* removal of marshy land which created a mosquito menace;
* enlargement of dry land for agriculture and building.

Perth streets were often sandy bogs which caused Governor James Stirling in 1837 to report to the Secretary of State for Colonies:

"At the present time it can scarcely be said that any roads exist, although certain lines of communication have been improved by clearing them of timber and by bridging streams and by establishing ferries in the broader parts of the Swan River ..."

Parts of the river required dredging with the material dumped onto the mud flats to raise the adjoining land. An exceptionally wet winter in 1862 saw major flooding throughout the area - the effect of which was exacerbated by the extent of the reclaimed lands....

# Mounts Bay - a modest reclamation was done between 1921 and 1935. In the 1950s works involving the Narrows Bridge started and in 1967 the bay was dramatically reduced in size with works related to the Mitchell Interchange and the northern approaches to the Narrows. An elderly Bessie Rischbieth famously protested against the project by standing in the shallows in front of the bulldozers for a whole day in 1967. She succeeded in halting progress - for that one day.

# Bazaar Terrace/Bazaar Street - in the early days of the settlement this waterfront road between William Street and Mill Street was an important commercial focus with port facilities including several jetties adjoining. It is now approximately where Mounts Bay Road is today and set well back from the foreshore. It had a prominent limestone wall and promenade built using material quarried from Mount Eliza.

# Point Fraser - early maps showed this as a major promontory on the northern side of the river west of the Causeway. It disappeared between 1921 and 1935 when land fill was added on both sides and effectively straightening the irregular foreshore and forming the rectangular 'The Esplanade'.

# The Esplanade - the northern riverbank originally ran close to the base of the escarpment generally a single block width south of St Georges Terrace. Houses built on the southern side of St Georges Terrace included market gardens which ran to the waters edge.

# Heirisson Islands - a series of mudflats that were slightly more upstream from today's single man-made island which has deep channels on each side.

The river has been used for the disposal all kinds of waste. Even well into the 1970s various local councils had rubbish tips on the mud flats along the edge of the river. Heavy industry also contributed its share of waste into the river from wool scouring plants in Fremantle to fertilizer and foundries sited in the Bayswater - Bassendean area. Remedial sites works are still ongoing in these areas to remove the toxins left to leach into the river.

During the summer months there are problems with algal blooms killing fish and caused by nutrient run-off from farming activities as well as the use of fertilisers in the catchment areas. The occasional accidental spillage of sewage and chemicals has also caused sections of the river to be closed to human access. The river has survived all this and is in relatively good condition considering on-going threats to its ecology.

[Laing]

That area was sheltered from the sea breeze by Mount Eliza, so it was uniquely calm.

I suppose that the millpond calm water coupled with the abundant lights from the shops, hotels, breweries and flats (that used to dominate that area before the freeway) made for a pleasant effect.

[Auxodium]

Gosh even worse than today. Some close together, some far apart. Are you sure...? Who in their right mind would put a bus right through kings park...

yes it was the fecking 1950's....... what would it be? railways? no

[aaronaugi1]

Morley Park sounds so much better than just plain old Morley.

[acc521]

Funny how Morley Park, Bedford Park and Floreat Park had the "park" suffix removed but Shenton Park and Victoria Park did not. It would be interesting to know the history behind why it was kept/removed in each instance. Mount Yokine as well.

[WAuzzie]

and there seems to an area called meltham, which today is just the train station name.

[Bonga]

Funny how Morley Park, Bedford Park and Floreat Park had the "park" suffix removed but Shenton Park and Victoria Park did not. It would be interesting to know the history behind why it was kept/removed in each instance. Mount Yokine as well.
It might have had something to do with the fact that Shenton Park and Victoria Park were named after people, whereas the others were not, but that is just a guess.

[PerthCity]

It might have had something to do with the fact that Shenton Park and Victoria Park were named after people, whereas the others were not, but that is just a guess.

Reading the Landgate site it seems Bedford was named after a Governor, Morley after a local farmer, so maybe not the reason.

http://www.landgate.wa.gov.au/corporate.nsf/web/History+of+metropolitan+suburb+names+-+B

[Bonga]

Reading the Landgate site it seems Bedford was named after a Governor, Morley after a local farmer, so maybe not the reason.

http://www.landgate.wa.gov.au/corporate.nsf/web/History+of+metropolitan+suburb+names+-+B
Thanks, my bad. I thought they had been named after towns in the UK. There goes that theory. :D

[crave]

i wonder if bessie rischbieth had a house in tha way of tha narrows...

[Scraperfan]

she just sounds like she had some sense.

i think it would be great to have a statue of her in the lake or the swan river near the spot where she did her protest.

[crave]

i wonder if that's tha statue that's on tha river when you drive by on stirling hwy...

you know there's a statue that looks like she's going to dive in... maybe that's her?

[Laing]

No, thats some other watery type person.

Theres a photo of Bessie Rieschbieth standing on her own (barefoot and holding an umbrella) in the Swan River whilst bulldozers push sand into the water around her. Its quite famous.

She was apparently a well known feminist in the 1920's and 30's.

Smart lady.

[scotdaliney]

Yeah. I think I read somewhere that it was destroyed by a fire in the 60's. It would be nice if it were still there, and somehow extended to the airport. ;)

My God, what a waste, I can't believe they just ripped it up, Imagine what could have been done with it as far as extention goes.

[aaronaugi1]

Rischbieth promoted a Citizens Committee for the Preservation of Kings Park and the Swan River and successfully prevented an olympic swimming pool being built. During construction of the Narrows Bridge, eighty-nine year old Rischbieth symbolically attempted to block it by entering the river ahead of the bulldozers. This was published in the West Australian newspaper and succeeded in generating public discussion of development, although failing to stop land reclamation of the Perth foreshore

from wiki. imagine having a pool (public) in Kings Park now?

[Bonga]

from wiki. imagine having a pool (public) in Kings Park now?
There's a recreation centre there now, so I guess a pool wouldn't be much of a stretch beyond that.

One of my lecturers at uni mentioned that a previous government (possibly Richard Court's?) once proposed to slice off some of the western end of Kings Park for residential development. I'm guessing she meant along Thomas Road/Winthrop Ave. Does anyone know about this? I haven't been able to find any info.

[repi]

i wonder if that's tha statue that's on tha river when you drive by on stirling hwy...

you know there's a statue that looks like she's going to dive in... maybe that's her?

No, thats some other watery type person.



That statue isn't of anyone in particular - it's named 'Eliza' (after the mount, geddit?).
Its significance is that that's the site of the old Crawley Baths, one of Perth's main swimming venues in the first half of the 20th century (that's why she looks like she's about to dive in to a pool). (People would get the tram down to the Crawley and Nedlands baths). They only really became obsolete when Beatty Park was built for the 1962 Commonwealth Games (it was the Commonwealth Games pool that was originally planned to be built in Kings Park until the successful Rischbieth protests).

[Ipggi]

My God, what a waste, I can't believe they just ripped it up, Imagine what could have been done with it as far as extention goes.

It was probably was a wood rail bridge crossing the river? And those things require constant maintenance.

[jackso]

That statue isn't of anyone in particular - it's named 'Eliza' (after the mount, geddit?).
Its significance is that that's the site of the old Crawley Baths, one of Perth's main swimming venues in the first half of the 20th century (that's why she looks like she's about to dive in to a pool). (People would get the tram down to the Crawley and Nedlands baths). They only really became obsolete when Beatty Park was built for the 1962 Commonwealth Games (it was the Commonwealth Games pool that was originally planned to be built in Kings Park until the successful Rischbieth protests).


Yes and people dress her up for verious occasions like christmas and australia day.
I think some people get pretty pissed off that they are defacing someones art (hardly defacing when your just putting clothes on it), but i think its good that people are interacting with public art, and shows that it has its place.

[Nate Von Longneck II]

My friend made that statue, I know exactly how he feels about the "defacing".

[acc521]

^^I'm guessing that he/she loves it because it means people are both interacting with art it and discussing art, something which does not occur near enough in this city.

[Nate Von Longneck II]

^^^ I don't like to talk on behalf of others, but I would simply say that *HE* isn't really a fan of the dressing up...., pretty much based upon the lack of imagination of the people doing it....

..but he is one of the most easy going people you would ever meet, so he's a bit "whatever" about it all...

[Ipggi]

^^^ I don't like to talk on behalf of others, but I would simply say that *HE* isn't really a fan of the dressing up...., pretty much based upon the lack of imagination of the people doing it....

..but he is one of the most easy going people you would ever meet, so he's a bit "whatever" about it all...

*HE* has already made those feelings publicly known :lol: as I have read it elsewhere in various newspapers. I can understand it myself, dressing up a statue reminds me of the Manneken Pis, the little pee man in Brussels. I don't see the attraction people have to clothing these things.

[ryan79]

Meh, its just a bit of fun, whats the big deal?

At least its SOMETHING. Better then just letting it get covered in bird shit.

[Scraperfan]

If you donate art to the public realm then you need to let go of the ownership of the piece.

If it lends itself to being dressed up at times, then thats great, exactly what Jackso said, its being embraced.

[hondaboy82]

All the talk about the "haunted site" but I had never seen pics until today of the old EMU brewery

http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/misc9/009242d.jpg
?

followed by

http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/images/pd267/267,971PD.jpg
1977


Hi guys,

Where are these photos taken? (which streets - I can't work it out)

Cheers

[PerthCity]

If it lends itself to being dressed up at times, then thats great, exactly what Jackso said, its being embraced.

Not a piece of artwork then if it is going to be covered up with clothing each week. What does it represent if it is dressed up as a Father Christmas?

Not that I care about the dress-ups, but it's not really right.

[acc521]

^^Well art is subjective and can represent something different or nothing at all depending on the person viewing it.

Regarding your second point, I can see where you are coming from. For the reasons I stated earlier I like when it is dressed up and I always make an effort to look at it when going past Mounts Bay road just to see if anyone has done anything to it. It's interesting and engaging.

On the other hand, the same logic could apply to any public statue and it would not be great if anyone decided they could "modify" anything as they saw fit (without causing permenant damage). Where is the line drawn (excuse the pun)?

Perhaps this is something CoP could look into as part of their general installation art initiative (if there is one) - a statue in the city that people are encouraged to "dress up" and have a bit of fun with.

[wexford]

Hi guys,

Where are these photos taken? (which streets - I can't work it out)

Cheers

Corner of Mounts Bay Road and Spring St, looking west (imagine the convention centre diagonally behind you).

[acc521]

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