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São Paulo FC

6x Champion:
1977, 1986, 1991, 2006, 2007,
2008

3x Copa Libertadores:
1992, 1993, 2005

1x Sudamericana:
1993

1x Copa Conmebol:
1994

2x Recopa Sudamericana:
1993, 1994

3x FIFA Club World Cup:
1992, 1993, 2005




Current capacity= 73.501
Start of Works= started 08/2009
Finish the work= expected 01/2013
Value of reform= approximately 170 U$$ million
Design and Architecture= Ralf Amann (GMP Architects) & Ruy Ohtake, Schlaich Bergermann und Partner (SBP Stuttgart)

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Aerial View 1
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Interior view of the cover 1
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Details
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Metro-Link Parking
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Parking
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Parking Detail
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I'm glad they are keeping this classic traditional ground it's a shame that so many classic stadiums get demolished for a new soulless stadium when they could just have easily been renovated. One thing I don't get is the roof it looks strange, but like most renders I will judge it when it gets built. Is this the definite design?

^^
Yes, but there may be changes, depending on the demands of Fifa and investors:)

Benches :?
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x111/marcelo_victor/imagem19B.jpg

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Currently (General Blue)
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After the Reformation (Sector of the press)
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x111/marcelo_victor/imagem19-1.jpg

they should do the same as Maracana,, lower the pitch, and have a steeper, bigger, and closer to the pitch seats,

with that they can create even better athmosphere. Also I can see that the athletics track is not even a official one, so I see no point in keeping the track.

the new vip and press areas, seem terrific, plus a link between a metro and a stadium is always great, also very impressive a solution for the parking.

a question, isnt 60,000 a little to small for a venue that almost for sure will host the openning ceremony or a semifinal at least?

some 5000 extra seats will do wonders.

^^
In fact the minimum capacity required by Fifa is 60,000 for opening or closing of the world cup. Today the project is expected to have 62,000 after the work. But I believe that had been in 60,000:)
But being honest with you, I'd like capacity would be 70,000. I think it would be good size in Brazil.

nice stadium:nuts:

Great stadium!!

You are right! great stadium :banana:

Great Stadium (3)

When are they going to start working on it???

I like this oval.
Are you sure that this will be the stadium that will host the Opening Ceremony of World Cup 2014,
instead of the stadium of Brasilia, the capital city?

I like this oval.
Are you sure that this will be the stadium that will host the Opening Ceremony of World Cup 2014,
instead of the stadium of Brasilia, the capital city?

It has not been decided yet, the official date of choices of the World Cup stadium will be disclosed only on 30/03/2009. But the favorite candidate for the opening and closing are the Morumbi and Maracanã, this has been addressed by the Brazilian football confederation president. Not sure that Brasilia has not hosted a game in the world cup. In terms of football in Brazil Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo has more importance and influence, there are other cities that have more tradition in football than Brasilia, for example: Belo Horizonte, Porto Alegre, Curitiba, Recife and Salvador (who have more chances in Brasilia host the World Cup):okay:

It looks amazing but there's something I really dislike...... why turning a beautifull football stadium into multifunction stadium...I mean why the running track, i know that financially speaking is more rentable but it takes the beauty of football, or at least that's my point of view

It looks amazing but there's something I really dislike...... why turning a beautifull football stadium into multifunction stadium...I mean why the running track, i know that financially speaking is more rentable but it takes the beauty of football, or at least that's my point of view

Took the words right out of my mouth.

Beautiful stadium that could really do without the track.

Have they started work on it yet

Have they started work on it yet

The works will start in March 2009.

It has not been decided yet, the official date of choices of the World Cup stadium will be disclosed only on 30/03/2009. But the favorite candidate for the opening and closing are the Morumbi and Maracanã, this has been addressed by the Brazilian football confederation president. Not sure that Brasilia has not hosted a game in the world cup. In terms of football in Brazil Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo has more importance and influence, there are other cities that have more tradition in football than Brasilia, for example: Belo Horizonte, Porto Alegre, Curitiba, Recife and Salvador (who have more chances in Brasilia host the World Cup):okay:

So, probably, we will have Rio for the final and Sao Paulo for the Opening match.
Thank you very much for your detailed information.

Nice stadium. São Paulo rules.

The stadium has a capacity of 80,000 but 75,000 seats are used for safety reasons. Hopefully the seating areas should be fixed before the World Cup. Also, I don't know if the proposed roof would be flat or curve up in the air. I want it flat, but recent renderings show the roof curved.

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x111/marcelo_victor/imagem5-1.jpg


Urggghhhh! Horrible, horrible view of the pitch - especially through all the officials, cameramen, ball boys etc!

I would hate to have to watch football matches from here on a regular basis.

Morumbi is my favourite stadium in Brasil, very unique, but that coverage is so ugly

Will Sao Paulo play here during the renovations, or will they use Palestra Itália?

^^
The work done in stages, so the Morumbi not shall be suspended altogether. The Sao Paulo at Morumbi continue playing during the works

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x111/marcelo_victor/imagem5-1.jpg


Urggghhhh! Horrible, horrible view of the pitch - especially through all the officials, cameramen, ball boys etc!

I would hate to have to watch football matches from here on a regular basis.

Beat me to it. That really is a huge distance between the pitch and the crowd!

^^
The work done in stages, so the Morumbi not shall be suspended altogether. The Sao Paulo at Morumbi continue playing during the works

Ah, thanks.

Very nice.

ESTÁDIO POKEBOLA.
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HORRIBLE! HORRIBLE! HORRIBLE! :gaah::ohno:

This stadium is not only hard for the eyes, but accounts for severak problems also, and will hardly ever pass a FIFA closer examination... this hidious thing should be demolished!

Morumbi is one of the world football monuments. It's like other classic stadiums in South America (Maracana, La Bomboniera, El Monumental or El Centenario). Those stadiums are tempels and they shouldn't be demolished. They just need good renovation. Indeed, the view from the lower stand at Morumbi is horrible but they can simply solve that problem by lowering the pitch for a couple of meters and everyone will have a good view although sitting far from the pitch.

The puplic can't be punished having to watch a game with horrible visibility in an old stadium just because of what it represents. The history is important and maybe even keeping the stadium as a memorial, but refurbishing it properly, not with a ehrr... "strange" proposal like this.

The puplic can't be punished having to watch a game with horrible visibility in an old stadium just because of what it represents. The history is important and maybe even keeping the stadium as a memorial, but refurbishing it properly, not with a ehrr... "strange" proposal like this.

All depends on point of view. What if the public doesn't feel the need to have a great sightline in every point of the stadium?
(not defending it, trying to understand)

How come you would pay to watch a game and not want to have a great sight of what's going on? Of course you would pay less to be in a not so privileged area but you would still expect a decent view of the spectacle, which doesnt appear to happen in the bottom tier of this stadium.
I'm not saying the stadium should be brought down or not, I'm just saying that if they are going to change or refurbish it, it needs more than a colorful eye soring roof and confi seats.

That's why I've said that Morumbi needs to lower the pitch for let say 5 metres. It's difficult to reconstruct such stadiums on another way. Of course they could also lower the pitch and after it add new first tier. But they don't want to increase the capacity of the stadium because the average attendance is dropping every year (last season only near 22.000).

How come you would pay to watch a game and not want to have a great sight of what's going on?
life experience :lol: in my home town the perimiter fencing is taller than the stand itself :) So believe me, some people don't care for it as much. But I completely see your point regarding this stadium, especially that they're going to seat the press there. I wouldn't expect great publicity afterwards...
What Capital suggests seems the wisest option

It's awful. FIFA is geting out of their way to award the world cup to countries that can simply come up with descent stadia. I'm sure deep inside Brazilians feel a bit of shame for not being able to match countries like Japan, Korea and Germany that took it a bit more seriously.
The first tier seats are light years away from the playing field Are they gonna get a discount to not being able to see that much?

Morumbi has always been a poor copy of Maracana. Tear it down and construct something decent.

Well lowering the pitch can be a problem in stadiums with a shallow first tier, the sightlines (i.e. how good you can view over the head of the person in front of you) will get worse.
And the first tier in Morumbi looks pretty shallow.

Well lowering the pitch can be a problem in stadiums with a shallow first tier, the sightlines (i.e. how good you can view over the head of the person in front of you) will get worse.
And the first tier in Morumbi looks pretty shallow.

lowering would definately have to go in pair with steepening the 1st tier. No other way...

Beat me to it. That really is a huge distance between the pitch and the crowd!

Rounded brazilian stadiums are just a shame...

Just curious, does this look like it would make a good cricket/Aussie rules oval to anyone else?

The great brazilian Pokeball

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Urggghhhh! Horrible, horrible view of the pitch - especially through all the officials, cameramen, ball boys etc!

I would hate to have to watch football matches from here on a regular basis.

Indeed far from ideal but at least that bottom teirs fairly small unlike say the Maracana. To my eye the Mormbi actually looks like you could both drop the pitch AND extend the stands forward since its more of an oval rather than the typical near circular brazilian designs that leave no space in the corners to do that.

As you say I think renovation and rebuilding is a choice betwene the short and the long term. As far as capacity during a WC goes building brand new 100-80K seat stadiums are probabley too expensive so renovations make sense. Post world cup though your left with the same overlarge venues lacking in view, atmosphere and facilties.

Indeed far from ideal but at least that bottom teirs fairly small unlike say the Maracana. To my eye the Mormbi actually looks like you could both drop the pitch AND extend the stands forward since its more of an oval rather than the typical near circular brazilian designs that leave no space in the corners to do that.

As you say I think renovation and rebuilding is a choice betwene the short and the long term. As far as capacity during a WC goes building brand new 100-80K seat stadiums are probabley too expensive so renovations make sense. Post world cup though your left with the same overlarge venues lacking in view, atmosphere and facilties.

What's wrong with building a new 80k stadium in one of the biggest cities in the world (about 20 million people live in the metro area!)? SP is Brazil's economical powerhouse, I'm sure they should be able to finance a new stadium somehow. And don't forget that Sao Paulo is probably the 3rd most popular club in Brazil, I think they could regularly fill a stadium like this in the future. The render of the Morumbi redeverlopment looks so bad it's almost funny!

What's wrong with building a new 80k stadium in one of the biggest cities in the world (about 20 million people live in the metro area!)? SP is Brazil's economical powerhouse, I'm sure they should be able to finance a new stadium somehow. And don't forget that Sao Paulo is probably the 3rd most popular club in Brazil, I think they could regularly fill a stadium like this in the future. The render of the Morumbi redeverlopment looks so bad it's almost funny!

I agree with you! Sao Paulo really deserves a brand new, state-of-the-art stadium!

It's the richest city in Latin America and one of the biggests of the world. A modern stadium would turn out to be the symbol of the city, just like Maracanã (ok, not modern at all...) for Rio.

I didn't like the renovations, but maybe it's just a matter of renders. These ones are awful...

I agree with you! Sao Paulo really deserves a brand new, state-of-the-art stadium!

It's the richest city in Latin America and one of the biggests of the world. A modern stadium would turn out to be the symbol of the city, just like Maracanã (ok, not modern at all...) for Rio.

I didn't like the renovations, but maybe it's just a matter of renders. These ones are awful...

:applause: :applause:

This stadium is a shame for Brazil. The worst stadium for the FIFA 2014 World Cup. São Paulo really deserves a modern stadium, even more than any other city.

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Some "nobles sections"of Morumbi Stadium.

Sala Raí
http://www.salarai.com/site/ (in English too)

http://www.salarai.com/galeria/img.php?src=media/113/CIMG1811p.jpg

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http://www.salarai.com/galeria/img.php?src=media/99/CIMG0745p.jpg

Camarote Placar:
http://placar.abril.com.br/camarote/
http://placar.abril.com.br/multimidia/fotos/212/images/foto12.jpg

Camarote Premium:
http://www.bpspromocoes.com.br/camarote/
http://www.bpspromocoes.com.br/camarote/images/camar01.jpg

http://www.bpspromocoes.com.br/camarote/images/camar02.jpg

http://www.bpspromocoes.com.br/camarote/images/camar03.jpg

http://www.bpspromocoes.com.br/camarote/images/camar07.jpg

http://www.bpspromocoes.com.br/camarote/images/30-11-08-SPFCxFlu-56.jpg

http://www.bpspromocoes.com.br/camarote/images/30-11-08-SPFCxFlu-55.jpg

:applause: :applause:

This stadium is a shame for Brazil. The worst stadium for the FIFA 2014 World Cup. São Paulo really deserves a modern stadium, even more than any other city.

I invite all people to visit this stadium. To say that that this is the worst stadium 2014 is a great lie. In fact, Morumbi is the best brazilian stadium yet.

http://www.santopaulobar.com.br/img/galeria_thumb/3/50-620x380.jpg

Santo Paulo Bar
http://www.santopaulobar.com.br/

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http://www.santopaulobar.com.br/skin/imagens/foto_santopaulo.jpg

http://www.santopaulobar.com.br/img/galeria_thumb/3/47-620x380.jpg

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http://www.santopaulobar.com.br/img/galeria_thumb/2/34-300x300.jpg

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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_24UObE1J7e4/SJ-Z4SciZ7I/AAAAAAAACY0/P6Uwbm982LI/s400/spb14.jpg

http://spfcfacts.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/santo_paulo_bar_inauguracao1.jpg?w=450&h=303

http://spfcfacts.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/santo_paulo_bar_inauguracao2.jpg?w=450&h=303

http://estilo.ig.com.br/images/329/78/78/1052429.santo_paulo_bar_ig_estilo_223_298.jpg

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhgggggg!!!! my eyes!!!!!!!

this must be the worst major world cup stadium since............ I cant remember.....

Im talking about stadiums that are to host at least a semifinal, inaugural or final game...

Its a shame, because Sao Paulo can do much better, is one of the latinamerican powerhouses. Today is a average latinamerican stadium but with terrible sidelines (acceptable for a design of many decades ago, but after a "mayor" renovation, there is no excuse)

:applause::applause:

tanks artnaz, beautifull photos....I am sure that the reform will be the perfect stage for the Cup 2014

I invite all people to visit this stadium. To say that that this is the worst stadium 2014 is a great lie. In fact, Morumbi is the best brazilian stadium yet.

The best stadium in Brazil is Engenhão or Arena da Baixada. Maybe it's not the worst, but is not a good project anyway.

Morumbi has always been a poor copy of Maracana. Tear it down and construct something decent.

The problem with this stadium (as with most Brazilian stadiums) is that the playing field is way too far from the stands. You can refurbish & modernise them all you want, but the pitch is still too far away.

The problem with this stadium (as with most Brazilian stadiums) is that the playing field is way too far from the stands. You can refurbish & modernise them all you want, but the pitch is still too far away.

How true! And why is that precisely, can anyone say exactly?

Yep yep, nice cosmetics on an ugly model. This stadia needs more than plastic surgery...

I invite all people to visit this stadium. To say that that this is the worst stadium 2014 is a great lie. In fact, Morumbi is the best brazilian stadium yet.

Its project for 2014 is doubtless one of the ugliest, If not THE ugliest. For citizens of Sao Paulo, remains still some few hopes to see it out of the WC....majority of citizens do not support SPFC, rival of Corinthians and I also think people, independently of team, didn't like it. The WC will be a shame for Sao Paulo city, we didnt deserve that. We had to build a brand new stadium and with a better design. Nobody liked it, except Sao Paulo FC fans. :ohno:

Watch the projects of Manaus, Brasilia, Porto Alegre, etc....why do we need Morumbi....WHY?!?!?!? :cry:

...i like it:dunno:

More photos

Espaço Unyco:

http://saopaulotricolor.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/fotolance-unyco1.jpg



Livraria Nobel / Café Donuts:

http://saopaulotricolor.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/nobelpronta.jpg

http://saopaulotricolor.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/nobelpronta3.jpg



http://www.dolcemorumbi.com/adm/imgmaterias/302/1.jpg

just awful

Interior view of the cover 1
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That is absolutely terrible. The first tier looks like 10 degrees or less and it's 40 meters from the pitch. No one on the first tier will be able to see anything. I'd be so disappointed if this was my team. One of the worst stadium designs I have ever seen.

the shame of fifa world cup Brazil 2014

worst roof over!!!! let alone the sidelines

I like the fact that it´s round, but please dig out the pitch and make the stands closer to the field. The current distance is crazy, even for an atleticstadium.
I think it could be a near 100 000 cap then. Sao Paolo might even compete with Rio for the final?

^^
they won't dig out the pitch, because there's a small river underneath the stadium.
And no city will compete for the final. It will certanly happen in Rio.

No matter how much they modernise it, the stands are way too far from the pitch. This stadium is a no-no.

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they won't dig out the pitch, because there's a small river underneath the stadium.
And no city will compete for the final. It will certanly happen in Rio.

Well just relay that small river and start digging.
This is unacceptable!

Well just relay that small river and start digging.
This is unacceptable!

Or just make a new stadium because its simply disgusting.:ohno:

Personally I hate round stadiums. They are not for football. They are for bullfighting, IMO. Rectangular stadium is best for football game.

ugly stadium! the worst i 've seen for a while

Personally I hate round stadiums. They are not for football. They are for bullfighting, IMO. Rectangular stadium is best for football game.

You hate this?

http://i39.tinypic.com/15wjdoy.jpg

If they could do this 80 years ago, then why o why?
Don´t ask me about a (small) river, I am from the Netherlands, rivers you can relay tunnel or whatever you like and it doesn´t have to be diffecult and you can do whatever you like with them. Even let them run upwards, river...
What a laim excuse.

Well, here's some more realistic views of Morumbi Stadium and how it looks nowadays.

There's a lot of work to be done, but I'd like to see another newer Stadium to be build in a reasonable venue, nearer to the downtown and not at a far away rich suburb.

But it isn't a just question to choose the best solution,the best stadium, there's lot of political, land speculation, money, involved into it...

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/175/morumba2.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/my.php?image=morumba2.jpg)

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7382/morumba1.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/my.php?image=morumba1.jpg)

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/6065/morumba3.jpg (http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=morumba3.jpg)

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/8224/morumba4.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/my.php?image=morumba4.jpg)

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/2303/morumba.jpg (http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=morumba.jpg)

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4369/morumbistadium.jpg (http://img22.imageshack.us/my.php?image=morumbistadium.jpg)

And if you criticize too much the stadium, probably you will get banned...

It's awful. FIFA is geting out of their way to award the world cup to countries that can simply come up with descent stadia. I'm sure deep inside Brazilians feel a bit of shame for not being able to match countries like Japan, Korea and Germany that took it a bit more seriously.
The first tier seats are light years away from the playing field Are they gonna get a discount to not being able to see that much?

We ARE able to match any stadiums around the world but the problem is the football environment itself that stinks.
Football is a dirty business out here, as around the world but here is a bit worst than europe, to be realistic.

And there's other stadiums far better than this, but without the same political influence at the Brazilian Football Confederation.

i can't get over how bad this is. I hope they have a change of heart!

bad stadium: a piece of horror

You hate this?

http://i39.tinypic.com/15wjdoy.jpg

If they could do this 80 years ago, then why o why?
Don´t ask me about a (small) river, I am from the Netherlands, rivers you can relay tunnel or whatever you like and it doesn´t have to be diffecult and you can do whatever you like with them. Even let them run upwards, river...
What a laim excuse.

So everybody is just going to egnore this simple, but briljant solution?

That is absolutely terrible. The first tier looks like 10 degrees or less and it's 40 meters from the pitch. No one on the first tier will be able to see anything. I'd be so disappointed if this was my team. One of the worst stadium designs I have ever seen.



i agree. the only bright spot is the colour scheme of the track and surrounding area of the pitch , atleast it will look way better on TV than the standard redbrown track , but this stadium make track stadiums seem like they have the crowd close to the field ... HORRIBLE


does this stadium have the largest circumference in the world ? i mean you should be able to fit a cricket pitch there with room to spare ?

I'm not trying to criticise the Morumbi Stadium like some of the other users. But the stadium's renovation should consist of a new exterior, a roof covering the stadium's stands, and replacement of all the seating. But that moat between the stands and the playing area needs to be shortened.

I'm not trying to criticise the Morumbi Stadium like some of the other users. But the stadium's renovation should consist of a new exterior, a roof covering the stadium's stands, and replacement of all the seating. But that moat between the stands and the playing area needs to be shortened.

Modifying the project already, I think by the end of the month we will have the new perspective of the Stadium.:okay:

The information I have on this project made by an Architect Fan Club. But unfortunately was not accepted by the board of the SPFC.:ohno:

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PS: I found this very interesting.

^^ It's certainly better than the current official project.
But the first tier is still way to shallow and has horrible sightlines.
Imo the only way to get a decent stadium is to massively dig the pitch and completely rebuild the first tier, making it steeper and bringing it closer to the pitch.

That said, I would still prefer if they built a new stadium instead of renovatig this one.

agreed

I woult simply destroy first tier and extend second one to the pitch. It would become a two tier stadium but with much better wiew and closer stands to the pitch.

a new project will be made with a american arcthecture company, whose name I can't recall right now.....so don't worry about this project, it's outdated already...(although there's no new project yet...)

HOK Sports?
HKS?

the news I'm putting is in portuguese, I'm sorry, it's from a local newspaper (O Estado de São Paulo), but in the bold letters is the name of the company...


Novo estádio em SP está fora de cogitação
Coordenador do projeto paulista para o Mundial diz que poder público prefere investir dinheiro em infraestrutura

Anelso Paixão
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A possibilidade de construir um novo estádio em São Paulo, em mais um capítulo da polêmica envolvendo as críticas da Fifa ao Morumbi, foi descartada ontem pelo presidente da SP Turis e coordenador do projeto paulista para a Copa de 2014, Caio Luiz de Toledo. Os motivos seriam a falta de tempo para o processo burocrático e ainda a posição do governo do Estado de não usar dinheiro público na reforma ou construção de uma arena para jogos. A proposta é investir R$ 27 bilhões, mas em infraestrutura e mobilidade urbana.

Entre as possibilidades de um novo estádio, haveria uma área em Pirituba, zona oeste da Capital. "O espaço de fato existe. É uma área de 4 milhões de metros quadrados, com 2 milhões de área verde, de proteção ambiental. É a última área livre na cidade e com um projeto de construção de 800 mil metros: o Novo Anhembi, com espaço de exposições, uma arena para shows e dois hotéis", explica Toledo.

O problema, segundo o presidente da SP Turis, é que o processo para uso da área ainda está em fase de licitação. "Depois tem a desapropriação, porque uma parte desta área seria usada por uma empresa privada para a construção de casas e o projeto está parado em Brasília. Ou seja, seria necessária uma negociação com a empresa", conta. "A Prefeitura decretou a área como de utilidade pública há um ano e meio, mas ainda existe toda uma burocracia para a construção", explicou.

O governador José Serra teria dito em encontro com os responsáveis do projeto paulista para a Copa que outra preocupação é com o futuro de um novo estádio. "Teríamos um ?elefante branco?, o novo estádio, e quatro ?esqueletos?, o Morumbi, o Pacaembu, o Palestra Itália e o Canindé. É isso o que o governador pensa", diz Toledo.

REFORMA

O São Paulo manteve ontem sua postura de continuar apostando no projeto de reforma do Morumbi, considerado pelo vice-presidente de marketing do clube, Júlio Casares, como "a única coisa objetiva até o momento".

Hoje, será apresentado o novo escritório de arquitetura (o norte-americano Davis Brody Bond Aedas) que vai trabalhar em parceria com o arquiteto brasileiro Ruy Ohtake. Esse escritório terá a missão de fazer adequações no projeto enviado originalmente à Fifa e que não teria agradado à entidade máxima do futebol - o Estado informou na semana passada as principais alterações que terão de ser feitas no local. Casares disse ontem que o clube já conta com parceiros para viabilizar a obra - orçada em R$ 130 milhões - e ainda busca outros. "A ideia é termos de seis a dez parceiros no projeto total."

Para Toledo, da SP Turis, porém, os valores anunciados pelo São Paulo talvez tenham de ser alterados. "Acredito que, para a cobertura total do estádio e as demais reformas necessárias, o custo seria de R$ 200 a R$ 250 milhões."

Sobre esse possível acréscimo nos valores do projeto inicial, Casares demonstrou tranquilidade. "Não temos essa informação oficial, mas não vejo problemas em trabalharmos com uma nova meta. Os contatos com várias empresas estão bem encaminhados."

just awful

ugly stadium! the worst i 've seen for a while

bad stadium: a piece of horror

O MY GOD. Broken Record!

HOK Sports?
HKS?

Aedas

This design is very original, i like it :)

It's even worse when seen in 3D
http://globoesporte.globo.com/Esportes/foto/0,,20935749-EX,00.jpg

^^ Looks like a popcorn machine.

this project is dated....it will be changed....you should read the rest of the thread before coming with this image and saying it's not good (it really is) when it's not the project anymore.....:ohno:

^^ Looks like a popcorn machine.

:lol::lol:

this project is dated....it will be changed....you should read the rest of the thread before coming with this image and saying it's not good (it really is) when it's not the project anymore.....:ohno:

i think people will be critical (which is very understandable) until we see a new model or render.

I hope there will not come a roof over the stadium, because I really like the lightposts? The inside en outside of the stadium have to be updated sure, but no foof

I woult simply destroy first tier and extend second one to the pitch. It would become a two tier stadium but with much better wiew and closer stands to the pitch.



brilliant idea :) .. the first tier is to shallow anyway , but the second tier could be extended towards the pitch without even having to dig the pitch down :D has anything like that been done before ?

brilliant idea :) .. the first tier is to shallow anyway , but the second tier could be extended towards the pitch without even having to dig the pitch down :D has anything like that been done before ?
Thanks. I dont know did anyone tryed this before. It is certanly "doable" and prety cheap.
Anyway, this was just my idea.

I cant wait until they will start and complete the stadium!!!

this project is dated....it will be changed....you should read the rest of the thread before coming with this image and saying it's not good (it really is) when it's not the project anymore.....:ohno:

so what is the new proposed project?

^^

they haven't shown it just yet :ohno:

but it's been said that the budget has doubled so far....so I do expect something better (which is not really hard at all....:lol:)

^^ i can think of much cheaper designs that would be worlds better.

Without of doubt, this stadium is going to be the worse Brazilian stadium for their World Cup. I am telling this because you can easily notice the huge difference with the others. It is pure make up and nothing more.

Project? New Project?
Ugly! Terrible! :bash:
Should be demolished!

soon ..... new project
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x111/marcelo_victor/33127170.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x111/marcelo_victor/33128118.jpg


wait:)

At least it's better than the previous design. Will they being doing anything to the inside of the stadium? How about making the stands closer to the pitch? ;)

At least it's better than the previous design. Will they being doing anything to the inside of the stadium? How about making the stands closer to the pitch? ;)

hope so, the stadium would be perfect:okay:

soon ..... new project
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x111/marcelo_victor/33127170.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x111/marcelo_victor/33128118.jpg


wait:)

thousand times better than the previous project... :banana:

Well the new design for the roof has been unveiled (I hope it's the final design). Now we wait for the other elements of the Morumbi Stadium's reconstruction.

more pictures.........
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x111/marcelo_victor/33177083.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x111/marcelo_victor/novomorumbi03.jpg
:)

Coverage of 100% of the seats.
Elevation of the row of seats closest to the lawn.
Elimination of points with vision obstructed.
New access tunnels to the field (center of the lawn).
Replacement of all seats.
Renovation of all common areas (circulation, toilets, cafeterias).
New cabins.
Replacement of the entire structure and hydraulic power.
Construction of building that will house the structure of the press, dressing, mixed area, VIP lounge, etc. ..

With all the reforms the total capacity of the stadium for the World Cup will be 65,124 people, divided as follows:

General public: 60,629
Press: 2955
Vip (FIFA): 1400
VVIP (FIFA): 140

^vai ter telão?

^vai ter telão?

yes Sr.........

Looks nice, far much better as previous project. But... the view from the first stand is still problematic, they should lower the pitch.

Looks nice!!!!!!!

fantastic!!:nuts:

more...........:lol:
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x111/marcelo_victor/folder-central.jpg

Great looking stadium it`s going to be bet still with wery bad visibility.
Is there any reason why they can`t dig out and lower the pitch maybe 2-3m. It would be suficient to bring the stands much closer.

Great looking stadium it`s going to be bet still with wery bad visibility.
Is there any reason why they can`t dig out and lower the pitch maybe 2-3m. It would be suficient to bring the stands much closer.

Looks nice, far much better as previous project. But... the view from the first stand is still problematic, they should lower the pitch.

In its favour it does have a much smaller lowest stand than the other big ovals in Brazil.

Condictions do seem good for dropping the pitch though I agree, unlike the Maracana they wouldnt need to rebuild the entire lower teir at a steeper angle as there more room(espeically at the corners) to extend it forward. Just drop the level and add an extra half a dozen rows of seats which would also add some capacity and perhaps help secure the opening match?

Has anyone ever noticed that some of the major Brazilian stadium looks like they can host cricket matches?

By the way, what is the current capacity of Morumbi.

Has anyone ever noticed that some of the major Brazilian stadium looks like they can host cricket matches?

By the way, what is the current capacity of Morumbi.

Currently the official capacity is 73,501

Has anyone ever noticed that some of the major Brazilian stadium looks like they can host cricket matches?

By the way, what is the current capacity of Morumbi.

why do you say that? Cause the oval forms?

Great looking stadium it`s going to be bet still with wery bad visibility.
Is there any reason why they can`t dig out and lower the pitch maybe 2-3m. It would be suficient to bring the stands much closer.

they can't do that there is a grondwater under the soccer field. The maximum that they can do is to dig out 8 cm...

why do you say that? Cause the oval forms?

Yup

^^
This idea of extending the second sector to the stadium be with two "floors" was already being discussed by the committee. On January 13 the final project will be displayed, just wait and see

Can't wait to watch a match in this Stadium... Amazing!

It's a nic project, really but I prefer no roof. The floodlights are a nostalgic landmark for the stadium. The stadium has to be renovated ofcourse, but without a roof in my opinion.
However I like the stadium and what the outcome will be, it will be amazing and one of the best venues of the WC

@ GuiBR:
Are you talking about my proposal?
I would simply destroy first tier and extend second one to the pitch. It would become a two tier stadium but with much better wiew and closer stands to the pitch.

If project is what you had show, what is this ??


SÃO PAULO
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1976/31172.jpg
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7250/020924588exh002897c4d.jpg

^^

an old project, which is not valid anymore, completelly hideous.....:ohno:

^^

an old project, which is not valid anymore, completelly hideous.....:ohno:

But this "invalid project" was the beautifulmost project :ohno:
others are very common, and sometimes very similar

didn't you like this project above?

^^

not at all

weird, uncomplete....

Pronto, irmãos!

O mistério da foto do Estadão está resolvido!!! :lol:

Vejam a matéria com a foto. Como disse num post anterior, a foto é pequena. Mas trás coisas novas e muito legais (na minha opinião): O prolongamento do anel intermediário vermelho, a área VVIP da Fifa e a Arena 25 atrás do gol (a área cinza).

Eu, sinceramente, adorei o projeto! E espero que fique assim!

http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu294/GuilhermoPanebianco/Morumbi2014.jpg

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:lol::lol:

Please just build a new one and get rid of the huge gap...

That drawing shows a gap with almost twice the size of reality.

When I was a kid I learnt ugly things we must not show. Never mind...

Funny, usually people open thread when they have something interesting, beautiful or revolutionary to show.

So why this thread still exists? This stadium is shameful. All things related to its project should be hidden. It's disgusting! You're just playing fool of yourself. As brazilian, I'm feeling embarassed. It doesn't work as a football stadium, it doesn't work as athletic stadium. Maybe as Cricket field, as many forumers said before, it will work better. Who knows?

New perspectives of the stadium. (Excuse the poor quality of the photos, so you have new renders I post here).
by eyeview
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/4987/32779637.png

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/3681/arquibancada.png

i cheer for sp

http://www.copa2014.org.br/blog/diario-viagem-africa-do-sul/

Os arquitetos do Morumbi podiam projetar uma marquise em volta do estádio para resolver o problema de espaço exterior.

http://www.copa2014.org.br/blog/diario-viagem-africa-do-sul/

^^
This is an international thread. So please, post in english.
And welcome on the SSC!

Secretary rules out construction of new public stadium in Sao Paulo
"Government is committed to the Morumbi," says Claury Alves da Silva

Secretary of Sport, Tourism and Leisure in the state of Sao Paulo, Claury Alves da Silva, today ruled out building a new stadium in São Paulo public exclusively for the World Cup matches in 2014. Thus, Claury thickens the choir formed by Sports Minister Orlando Silva Jr., and the Sao Paulo Governor Jose Serra, who are still betting on games Morumbi for the World Cup, even without the approval of FIFA to receive the opening ceremony.

Last week, the newspaper "Lance" published report in which he argued that the state government and the city would be drawing a plan B if the Morumbi is banned by FIFA on April 15, the date of the new meeting between the Sao Paulo FC and the world body football. The alternative would be to build a public stadium in the neighborhood of Pirituba, a development that could cost around $ 1 billion.

"The government will not build stadiums, because will become obsolete after the World Cup. Our concern is with the legacy, "said Silva during the program SPChat. The secretary used the example of the Pan-American 2007, for which he said were built equipment "dear" that are now underutilized.

According to Silva, the government is committed to the Morumbi. Investments in the environment and improved access are already in the planning of the state. "The subway will reach the stadium," he said. However, the modernization work will be entirely the responsibility of the SPFC. "The stadium itself is a commitment of Sao Paulo, who signed a document with FIFA and the CBF to make adjustments."

soon ........
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x111/marcelo_victor/morumbi-2014.jpg

Very nice! :)

Wow, heavy infrastructure spending as well! Goodluck Sao Paulo.. hope you guys are coming to Cape Town this year :)

The distance to the front row along the end lines is still criminal. Personally would have gone two tier along the sidelines and one tier on the ends with a much shallower slope to bring seating to a reasonable distance from the field. Otherwise good looking though.

The distance to the front row along the end lines is still criminal. Personally would have gone two tier along the sidelines and one tier on the ends with a much shallower slope to bring seating to a reasonable distance from the field. Otherwise good looking though.

What you probably don't know is that that two-tier configuration on the sideline that you see on the render is exclusive to that sideline. The other one will have three tiers.

That is really too bad, they really should have tried harder to get seating in closer.

"The government will not build stadiums, because will become obsolete after the World Cup. Our concern is with the legacy, "said Silva during the program SPChat. The secretary used the example of the Pan-American 2007, for which he said were built equipment "dear" that are now underutilized.

But surely it would replace the Morumbi so therefore not becoming obsolete? Sao Paulo has three major clubs within its city boundaries and none of them have modern football grounds. I've read crowds are up in Brazil compared to a decade ago and in fact one of the major barriers, like in Italy, is the lack of any decent stadiums. The lack of any joint up thinking between the city council and clubs is mind boggling. The Morumbi is in one of Sao Paulo's (and hence South America's) wealthiest districts so the site of the ground must be worth a fortunate to developers. The closest example in Europe is probably Chelsea, and the site of Stamford Bridge is reportedly worth £1 Billion. Even if the Morumbi is considered to be valued at 30% of that, it is still close to $500 million. That alone would pay for half the costs and SPFC could either accept half of the ownership rights (with the other half owned by another organisation, probably a property developer) or borrow the rest basing their loan on the massively increased future earnings, like Arsenal did. In fact, the Arsenal template would be a good one to follow. For the city council, they get new housing in a desirable part of town and, most importantly, regeneration in another section in need of it.

Sigh.

Hate the gap really.

The gap and the 'double standard' tiers won't be. At least that's what I hope.

Otherwise I'll be the first one to oppose the 'new' (how many has it been so far? :|) project. If you foreigners think this is lame, imagine how most of us feel when facing the notion that this monolith will be the venue for the biggest/richest city in the country?? (specially with the absolute majority of the other venues being quite decent afterall) :ohno:

New project.:)

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x111/marcelo_victor/novo_morumbi.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x111/marcelo_victor/novo_morumbi2.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x111/marcelo_victor/novo_morumbi3.jpg

Now it's look very nice! a great stadium for a great city :banana:

Perspective of how will be the stadium:


http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/7348/morumbigmpfinal2.jpg

Credits to juferraz

Cap. of the new project?
Thank god no track.
But weired. Only 1 tier

^^ 2 tiers.

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x111/marcelo_victor/novo_morumbi3.jpg
i just see 1 tier

Much better, and the tiers would appear to be completely divided by suites, so I would call it two tiers, especially since the upper is intact, while the lower portions are totally new.

I think than morumbi looks much more than 70k stadium, it's look a 120k stadium, is great and will be great with the reformulation, 2 tiers next to the side lines:nuts:


http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt12/leandrobracaroto_01/estadio-morumbi-jb.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pwidCWeCIyc/Swnj_SP_ZXI/AAAAAAAAADQ/aOt6QumahSQ/s1600/morumbi+aereo.jpg

http://zanquetta.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/morumbi11.jpg

Now it looks great, just as SP and SPFC deserve...

New project.:)


http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x111/marcelo_victor/1942010-10347-1.jpg

Just renovate the inside and the outside of stadium, specially the 1st tier, but NO roof (Love the lightposts!!!!!).
A nice scoreboard also would be very nice.

Another circular upper tier/rectangular lower tier combination just like Mineirao is going to be.

New perspectives of the stadium. (Excuse the poor quality of the photos, so you have new renders I post here).
by eyeview
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/4987/32779637.png

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/3681/arquibancada.png

Could you post the second photo again?...it didn´t show up completely...

thanks

Marcelo Victor,

forget it... the image was fine... the problem was my browser....

anyway, does anybody has an inside view of the new project?

DEL !!!

Come on, everybody... nobody has new images from the new project?

I think than morumbi looks much more than 70k stadium, it's look a 120k stadium, is great and will be great with the reformulation, 2 tiers next to the side lines:nuts:


http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt12/leandrobracaroto_01/estadio-morumbi-jb.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pwidCWeCIyc/Swnj_SP_ZXI/AAAAAAAAADQ/aOt6QumahSQ/s1600/morumbi+aereo.jpg

http://zanquetta.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/morumbi11.jpg

Well, considering that this is a 98.772 cap stadium:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3232/3056291895_3ebcbb4547_b.jpg


This a 94.700:

http://oglobo.globo.com/fotos/2010/02/26/26_MHG_soccer-city.jpg


This a 90.000:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Wembley_Stadium_interior.jpg/800px-Wembley_Stadium_interior.jpg


And knowing that they all have proper seating...

Then no, it really doesn't look like it. Sorry.



This stadium had a capacity of 120k when most of it didn't have seats:
http://estadio.no.sapo.pt/luz4.jpg

But when it became a full-seated, it went down to just 80k:
http://estadio.no.sapo.pt/luz5.jpg


That's massive.

Come on, everybody... nobody has new images from the new project?

You're asking for something that doesn't really exist.

Marcelo Victor,

forget it... the image was fine... the problem was my browser....

anyway, does anybody has an inside view of the new project?

This image was taken from a video aired on an Assembly here in Sao Paulo, so the poor quality and lack of more detailed images.

PS: This project has been modified.

Come on, everybody... nobody has new images from the new project?

Not yet, the new project was sent 15/04 for approval of Fifa but so far not been disclosed renders.

You're asking for something that doesn't really exist.

Are you sure? I knew that SPFC sent a dvd with the new project to FIFA and to the SP administration....

This image was taken from a video aired on an Assembly here in Sao Paulo, so the poor quality and lack of more detailed images.

PS: This project has been modified.



Not yet, the new project was sent 15/04 for approval of Fifa but so far not been disclosed renders.

Thanks, men... I just can´t wait to see how its going to be the inside of the stadium...

I saw this link ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/tschaut...7623861333157/ ) with many images from the projects...

But I am not sure if it´s real... specially the images from Morumbi:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3367/4576221802_fe108e9fd4.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4008/4575586701_b36b8fb24f.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3329/4576223542_51619279d7.jpg


Does anybody knows if this is actually the new project of SP´s stadium?

mmmm

^^
It looks like the Green Point Stadium with a different facade.

New project.:)


http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x111/marcelo_victor/1942010-10347-1.jpg

wow look very nice!

New photos from the new project:

http://static.kigol.com/uploads/dc/e7/fa/57/5c/53/c4/04/3c/31/34/48/2c/32/d9/dce7fa575c53c4043c3134482c32d987@t30.jpg

http://static.kigol.com/uploads/12/0a/3f/c6/cd/2a/f8/c6/4c/f3/fd/ab/fd/af/3f/120a3fc6cd2af8c64cf3fdabfdaf3f5d@t30.jpg

fonte: blog marcello lima

^^
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6434/morumbigmp1.jpg

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5192/morumbigmp3.jpg

The Cicero Pompeu de Toledo Stadium has unfortunately been dropped as a venue for the 2014 FIFA World Cup. Hopefully, once a better renovation project is proposed, that decision will be reversed. Nobody want an octorad lower tier with a circular upper tier. It may possibly damage the stadium's historical status.

say Bye, Morumbi.

But the Sao Paulo Club will still renovate the stadium.

Nice design and project! hope it can be finally considered for the 2014 world cup...

^^It got dropped as a venue for the 2014 World Cup, remember? A brand-new stadium must be built.

what will happen with morumbi stadium now?

They'll probably continue to go back to the drawing board with the faint hope that eventually they submit a plan that FIFA finds acceptable for use and changes their minds. Even without convincing FIFA, there is still the chance that work can be done and it still is included into the Olympic tournament in 2016. Sao Paulo will most probably host games during World Cup 2014, but there is no reason to think that the games will take place here. FIFA, it would appear, awards games to cities, not to particular stadiums.

what will happen with morumbi stadium now?

Nobody knows exactly... Morumbi is an relatively old stadium, but it still home of Sao Paulo FC (major club in brazilian football) and the main live concerts location in the city of Sao Paulo (you cant forget it's the largest city in South America). There are plans (not related to WC 2014) to make new lines of public transportation to the stadium region (parking is a hard issue on that region). I also hope the club can build the roof for the stadium.

great but should have more than 95 000 capacity

great but should have more than 95 000 capacity

Or moved to "never built stadiums". At least for this project.

Say goodbye to the world cup panettone stadium!!!

O MELHOR ESTÁDIO DO BRASIL

So Morumbi will sit unused during the World Cup?

So Morumbi will sit unused during the World Cup?

Maybe as trainning field.

Little World Cup in Venezuela (1955)
Little World Cup in Venezuela (1963)
WORLD CHAMPION IN TOKIO (1992)
WORLD CHAMPION IN TOKIO (1993)
FIRST CHAMPION FIFA Club World Cup (2005)

SÃO PAULO FUTEBOL CLUBE - FIVE TIME WORLD CHAMPION

You remember how Joao havelange considered demolition of the Morumbi Stadium and Maracana Stadium in 2008? Well, let's revisit that consideration. The Maracana stadium is currently being reconstructed during the World Cup, and two new stadiums are being built in Sao Paulo, one of which will be used for the UC. I was wondering, what if the Morumbi stadium were demolished altogether in real life? I'd turn the Morumbi into an Olympic-standard stadium, but its two lower tiers are problematic, and there is no warm up track nearly.

You remember how Joao havelange considered demolition of the Morumbi Stadium and Maracana Stadium in 2008? Well, let's revisit that consideration. The Maracana stadium is currently being reconstructed during the World Cup, and two new stadiums are being built in Sao Paulo, one of which will be used for the UC. I was wondering, what if the Morumbi stadium were demolished altogether in real life? I'd turn the Morumbi into an Olympic-standard stadium, but its two lower tiers are problematic, and there is no warm up track nearly.

Jim you should stop with this olympic/standard stadium obsession. Morumbi is a private stadium of a football club, one of the things it is criticised is that is not a good stadium to watch a football match because of his olympic shape, If they would make any change, it would adapt the stadium for a football only. Track and Field is not a popular sport in Brazil, we dont need a huge stadium for it, we have Icaro de Castro which was recent renovated and complete it purposes.

ILet me tell you this right now: I have an obsession with nothing and no one. So you should leave me alone, because I hate the way you act towards me sometimes.

The thing is Jim, not every stadium in the world needs to be Olympic standard with a running track. There is no need for it, even countries with a strong interest in athletics don't require more than one or two such stadiums, athletics would rarely ever fill a big stadium, the football clubs don't like them, the football fans don't like them, and it is football that ultimately pays by far the bulk of the bills for them and fills them with crowds. There is just simply no need for athletic tracks to be constructed willy nilly.

The Olympics are stupid, especially the Olympics that is gonna be held in Rio de Janeiro.

The Olympics are stupid, especially the Olympics that is gonna be held in Rio de Janeiro.

If they're stupid, then why are you soooo concerned that every stadium in the world MUST be Olympic capable.

Anyway, I thought you were an Olympic fan with a burning interest in the games, and a burning interest to get to know Rio and make friends with Cariocas so you can visit! That's what you told us last time you got picked up on your obsession.

I already told you, I don't have an obsession with anything.

I already told you, I don't have an obsession with anything.

Then why must EVERY stadium you bitch about be Olympic capable, when it's the last thing that is needed and generally unwanted.

Football only-stadiums can be just as good as large athletic/multipurpose stadiums. They just gotta be onf high quality, is all.

Football only-stadiums can be just as good as large athletic/multipurpose stadiums. They just gotta be onf high quality, is all.

And the clubs and fans who pay for the bulk of them prefer them. Athletics facilities are no-where near in the same demand.

^^That's good, but I would appreciate it if you never replied to me again, sir.

^^That's good, but I would appreciate it if you never replied to me again, sir.

It's a public board. if you post, you are liable to be commented on or replied to. I have as much right to post and reply as you have to post.

^^Then there's the ignore list function.

Then why do you post opinions if you don't want to discuss them?

So let's see. You don't like people discussing or refuting your opinions, so you post those opinions on a public bulletin board. Is that about it?

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I am not an architect or an engineer nor do I pretend to be. I, for whatever reason, have a strange fascination with stadiums and love reading about and looking at existing, under construction, and even proposed stadia. additionally, I am from Florida and like to read up on what is going on in this state as far as development goes. where am I going with this? well even though I have contributed little, I have been lurking here for a couple of years and check this site almost daily. that said, there are often times I wonder if this site is actually moderated. the amount of trolls here is kind of ridiculous and yes, Jim, you are not only a troll but you are delusional at that if you think you can spam your opinions and complaints here and not get a response. this is a public forum after all. people like you and that other guy from Lille, France make reading a lot of these threads unpleasant. please just fucking stop unless you actually have something to contribute. there is no need to reply to this unless you want to in which case have fun getting ridiculed. sorry for the rant, just wanted to get that off my chest. let's get back on topic shall we?

SÃO PAULO FUTEBOL CLUBE 5TH TIME WORLD CHAMPION
Little World Cup in Venezuela (1955)
Little World Cup in Venezuela (1963)
WORLD CHAMPION IN TOKIO (1992)
WORLD CHAMPION IN TOKIO (1993)
FIRST CHAMPION FIFA Club World Cup (2005)

I am not an architect or an engineer nor do I pretend to be. I, for whatever reason, have a strange fascination with stadiums and love reading about and looking at existing, under construction, and even proposed stadia. additionally, I am from Florida and like to read up on what is going on in this state as far as development goes. where am I going with this? well even though I have contributed little, I have been lurking here for a couple of years and check this site almost daily. that said, there are often times I wonder if this site is actually moderated. the amount of trolls here is kind of ridiculous and yes, Jim, you are not only a troll but you are delusional at that if you think you can spam your opinions and complaints here and not get a response. this is a public forum after all. people like you and that other guy from Lille, France make reading a lot of these threads unpleasant. please just fucking stop unless you actually have something to contribute. there is no need to reply to this unless you want to in which case have fun getting ridiculed. sorry for the rant, just wanted to get that off my chest. let's get back on topic shall we?


THANKS SO MUCH FOR THAT DUDE!!! YOURE AWESOME .. I WAS ABOUT TO SAY THE SAME THING! LETS GET BACK TO SUBJECT!! OR NOT GET BANNED

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/pt/8/88/Sao_paulo_fc.png
São Paulo Futebol Clube

6x Champion:
1977, 1986, 1991, 2006, 2007, 2008

3x Taça Libertadores da América Winner:
1992, 1993, 2005

3x FIFA World Club Cup:
1992, 1993, 2005

http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A3o_Paulo_Futebol_Clube

The actual stadium:
http://w3.i.uol.com.br/Wap/2010/12/08/wap-celular-tv-midia-indoor-estadio-morumbi-sao-paulo-1291809315405_615x300.jpg

The project:
http://media2.saopaulofc.net/media/43762/AR_Morumbi_ACESSO_R04_crop_galeria.jpg

http://media2.saopaulofc.net/media/43764/AR_Morumbi_COB1_R04_crop_galeria.jpg

http://media2.saopaulofc.net/media/43765/AR_Morumbi_COB2_R05_crop_galeria.jpg

http://media2.saopaulofc.net/media/43766/AR_Morumbi_Hotel_R04_crop_galeria.jpg

http://media2.saopaulofc.net/media/43767/AR_Morumbi_Interna-R04_crop_galeria.jpg

http://media2.saopaulofc.net/media/43763/AR_Morumbi_Aerea-R04_crop_galeria.jpg

http://www.saopaulofc.net/noticias/noticias/morumbi/2011/12/20/sao-paulo-fc-anuncia-parceria-para-projeto-de-modernizacao-do-morumbi/

KRmV8HuAs7M

again new project?

And why not a new stadiums. A real football stadium. Just roof :(

Good grief! Maybe one day a decent proposal for this stadium will be put forward, 'cause the latest one is utter gash.

again new project?

And why not a new stadiums. A real football stadium. Just roof :(

This time will be executed, since the stadium will not host the World Cup the board decided to just make big improvements on the inside, cover the stadium and build a hotel on the side

Instead of building a roof, they should built at least 2 new stands close to the pitch.

SPFC is my fav club in Brazil. I am really angry about the board :D

I also preferred the stadium with only two rings, but they wanted so will be :(

When will this new project start? And when will it be completed?

I apologize. I can't read Portugese.

The club is waiting authorization from the prefecture of the city to begin work that will be finished in 18 months

I also preferred the stadium with only two rings, but they wanted so will be :(

2 rings?

This
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x111/marcelo_victor/1942010-10347-1.jpg

Yes, better, but still too much oval.

KRmV8HuAs7M

"Imagens ilustrativas sujeitas a alteração".


So, basically, what they mean is that those renders don't mean a s***. :lol:

Another shit proposal. You can't polish a turd, the stadium is crap in terms of its design and structure as the stands are both too shallow and too far away offering a poor experience for spectators. This is nothing more than a bad cosmetic job.

Really, they should build a new ground where these mistakes can be eliminated. The desire many have in Brazil - or even much of South America it seems - with 'improving' these horrible concrete bowls built between the 50s-70s is bizarre to say the least.

I have to say that I'll be disappointed if these renovations were to take place.

Morumbi Stadium is my all-time favorite stadium in Latin America. It beats River Plate, Estadio Unico, and Maracanã.

Personally, I loved how Morumbi Stadium looked like "the Rose Bowl of South America".

I don't get all these South American stadiums adopting the roof-over-the-stands design.

Morumbi Stadium is my all-time favorite stadium in Latin America. It beats River Plate, Estadio Unico, and Maracanã.




Jesus, you have a bad taste, don't you? Or maybe you don't know much about south american ones. This stadium is garbage and has always been so. Tear it down and build a brand new one, please.

Come on guys it is not that bad.....

Come on guys it is not that bad.....

If you spend a fortune on a stadium that will be 'not that bad' already before spending, you can be sure that in 10 years it will be really bad. Standards are getting higher, this venue is not.

Hahaha :D