Are full-size SUV's sold only in North America (Canada, Mexico and the USA)? [Archive]

DanteXavier

November 9th, 2008, 12:57 AM

Full sized SUVs such as the Toyota Land Cruiser are actually sold all over the world. The Land Cruiser does well thanks to it's iconic status. Honda only markets its full sized SUV(the Honda Pilot) in North America. Same with Nissan's Pathfinder Armada(US Only). The Nissan Patrol and the Mitsubishi Pajero(which I think qualify as full sized SUVs) have found success around the world, but aren't sold in North America. Hummers, because of their iconic status, are all over the world from Angola to France to Australia.

The large American SUVs(I speak particularly of the REALLY large ones, such as the Chevy Suburban pictured in the first post) are much less common worldwide. Outside of the US, you're probably more likely to see them in the middle east. Nations like Saudi Arabia and the UAE are major customers for American military and civillian equipment thanks to their energy resources, and as a result American products are far more common there than they are in other parts of the world. Governments there use them to transport officials(as opposed to other nations in Europe and Asia where luxury sedans are more commonly used).
The middle east is also one of the few places outside of North America where you'll find full sized American sedans like the Ford Crown Victoria:

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5568/crownvicby7.jpg

Those are just about nonexistant in Europe and Asia. The Middle Eastern markets are the only places outside of NA where you'll see Crown Vics and Mercury Grand Marquis'.

Australia is more tolerant of large American vehicles as well. There was at one time a Holden Suburban.

http://www.inthejob.com/saus/sapolsuburb2.jpg

I don't think that Ford and GM market their large SUVs in Australia anymore, though. You can't even buy an Escalade there unless you import it privately.
To sum it up,full sized SUVs have a following worldwide. The truly massive, ultra-large American SUVs(those made by GM and Chrysler in particular) only seem to have large followings in North America and the middle East, as well as Russia to a lesser extent. The only American SUVs that seem to have a following worldwide are Hummers.

He Named Thor

November 9th, 2008, 02:12 AM

The Chevy Suburban (or other SUVs) consume like in the 1:5 to 1:8 range. (1 liter to x km). European SUV's are doing a little better, usually in the 1:10 to 1:14 range, especially when you have a diesel powered engine. I haven't seen an American SUV on diesel yet here in Europe.

What are these European SUV's? I highly doubt they are anywhere near as big as the Suburban (which is the largest SUV we make). Apples to apples please.

I could be wrong here, but I'm almost positive most of the Jeep lineup is available with a diesel in Europe.

He Named Thor

November 9th, 2008, 02:13 AM

The large American SUVs(I speak particularly of the REALLY large ones, such as the Chevy Suburban pictured in the first post) are much less common worldwide. Outside of the US, you're probably more likely to see them in the middle east. Nations like Saudi Arabia and the UAE are major customers for American military and civillian equipment thanks to their energy resources, and as a result American products are far more common there than they are in other parts of the world. Governments there use them to transport officials(as opposed to other nations in Europe and Asia where luxury sedans are more commonly used).
The middle east is also one of the few places outside of North America where you'll find full sized American sedans like the Ford Crown Victoria:

Those are just about nonexistant in Europe and Asia. The Middle Eastern markets are the only places outside of NA where you'll see Crown Vics and Mercury Grand Marquis'.

Australia is more tolerant of large American vehicles as well. There was at one time a Holden Suburban.

I don't think that Ford and GM market their large SUVs in Australia anymore, though. You can't even buy an Escalade there unless you import it privately.
To sum it up,full sized SUVs have a following worldwide. The truly massive, ultra-large American SUVs(those made by GM and Chrysler in particular) only seem to have large followings in North America and the middle East, as well as Russia to a lesser extent. The only American SUVs that seem to have a following worldwide are Hummers.

Russia supposedly has some Crown Victorias too. I've seen a few pictures of them in police fleets there.

DanteXavier

November 9th, 2008, 02:38 AM

Russia supposedly has some Crown Victorias too. I've seen a few pictures of them in police fleets there.

I wouldn't be suprised. I'm sure there are a number of Town Cars there to go along with some DTS'.

spongeg

November 9th, 2008, 03:37 AM

i was in Loncon UK and I saw a ginat SUV - I think it was a chevy suburban - it had american plates too - and appeared to be driven by an american and she was having the hardest time parking - in soho - in fact a crowd was watching her park

I guess for whatever reason she decided to ship her big SUV over to london while she lived there

was quite an odd site to see

Manila-X

November 11th, 2008, 08:15 AM

They sell it in The Philippines usually the Ford Expedition

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll90/tjbesa/sExpedNew.jpg

Manila-X

November 11th, 2008, 08:16 AM

Hello folks!!!

I've just returned from a trip to Japan last week, and I was in Europe in April. I didn't see large SUV's in any of those countries, just in some hotels as "luxury" cars (I guess they're imported). I haven't been to the Middle East yet, but as these cars consume a lot of gas, the might be sold there...

Do you know if these cars are sold only in North America? They're very popular in Canada, Mexico and the United States.

Japan's roads are not as wide as US ones. American cars aren't suited in Japan

hkskyline

November 11th, 2008, 08:43 AM

Actually, the US government has been lobbying the Japanese for many years to provide open access for American automobile manufacturers to the domestic Japanese market. However, given how much further ahead Japanese car makers are, I don't think even now with more relaxed regulatory restrictions, the Americans have gained a decent foothold.

isaidso

November 11th, 2008, 10:54 AM

Large SUV's make more sense in many parts of America. I spent some time in northern Ontario last winter and everyone had a truck or SUV. About a third of the vehicles were the full sized variety.

It's not a densely populated region of the world, the weather can be harsh, and gas is cheap. The locals pull their powerboats to the lakes in the summer, snowmobiles to trails in the winter, and haul bulk items all year round. You need the horsepower, size, and safety that a full sized SUV provides. In places like Toronto they don't make much sense.

goschio

November 11th, 2008, 11:17 AM

eomer

November 11th, 2008, 03:16 PM

People prefer normal SUV from Porsche, BMW, Audi, Mercedes or Volkswagen.
You are right: Porsche Cayenne is more interesting for European roads...
http://www.selectautosur.net/noticias/porsche%20cayenne%202007/images/PORSCHE%20CAYENNE%202007-15.jpg

An other great SUV: The Infiniti FX50 (Infiniti is Nissan's luxury brand like Lexus for Toyota)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/2009_Infiniti_FX_NY.jpg/800px-2009_Infiniti_FX_NY.jpg

gabrielbabb

November 12th, 2008, 04:04 AM

In Mexico the most sold are

SUVs (2008)

Honda CR-V 11.249
Jeep Patriot 8.177
Chevrolet Suburban 7.323
Ford EcoSport 6.797
Ford Escape 6.251
Nissan X-Trail 6.224
Toyota Rav4 5.335
Mazda CX-7 4.684
Mitsubishi Outlander 4.472
Chevrolet Captiva Sport 4.462
Nissan Rogue 2.980
Jeep Liberty 2.737
Ford Explorer 2.496
Ford Edge 2.357
Chevrolet Tracker 2.295
Dodge Nitro 2.212
Ford Expedition 2.192
Toyota FJCruiser 2.069
Jeep Compass 2.029
Jeep Grand Cherokee 1.989

luxurious SUVs(2008)

Hummer H3 1.574
BMW X5 1.357
Cadillac Escalade 1.382
VW Touareg 1.127
Acura MDX 934
Audi Q7 873
Mercedes ML 648
Lincoln MKX 598
Volvo XC90 403
Lincoln Navigator 302
Porsche Cayenne 117
Acura RDX 108
Hummer H2 96
Range Rover 85
BMW X6 75

He Named Thor

November 12th, 2008, 06:53 AM

You are right: Porsche Cayenne is more interesting for European roads...
http://www.selectautosur.net/noticias/porsche%20cayenne%202007/images/PORSCHE%20CAYENNE%202007-15.jpg

How dare you post that... that... Travesty! It has no place being in Porsche's lineup.

spongeg

November 12th, 2008, 07:54 AM

nissan armada is a huge thing

http://www.automedia.com/NewCarBuyersGuide/photos/2005/Nissan/Armada/SUV/2005_Nissan_Armada_ext_1.jpg

Rebasepoiss

November 12th, 2008, 04:18 PM

SUV's are very popular in Estonia(unfortunately), perhaps not full-sized but still. Honda CR-V is the most popular car in Estonia, for example :crazy:
People who buy those huge SUV's (Hummer H2, Cadillac Escalade) have a "small dick - big ego" problem, IMO.

Lydon

November 12th, 2008, 08:38 PM

People who buy those huge SUV's (Hummer H2, Cadillac Escalade) have a "small dick - big ego" problem, IMO.

Or they just like the cars? Honestly...

DanielFigFoz

November 12th, 2008, 09:15 PM

In Portugal they are rare, but in the UK they are more common, like the HONDA C-RV for example.

gabrielbabb

November 13th, 2008, 01:35 AM

^^ what about Chevrolet Suburban ?? which is kind of ..... BIG

Perennial Quest

November 13th, 2008, 01:50 AM

Here in Italy the SUVs were quite popular some time ago. In 2007/ beginning of 2008 their selling had its peak, but now it became critical.
Anyhow the "full size" suvs (amercian style) are very rare, while the european big ones (ML, Touareg, Cayenne, X5, X6 etc.) are diffuse. There are quite a lot of the medium sized ones (Nissan Qashqai, Toyota Rav4, Ford Kuga, Volkswagen Tiguan etc.)

Rebasepoiss

November 13th, 2008, 08:40 PM

Or they just like the cars? Honestly...
I don't understand how anybody can like a car that's ugly, "eats" a lot of fuel, has bad handling, is not as comfortable as saloon cars and isn't very practical either? So where are the good sides? Good off-road abilities? :lol: What's the percentage of SUV drivers who have driven their car off-road? 2%? And if you really like off-roading, you'll buy a Land Rover Defender or any other serious 4x4 instead. Of course, everybody has their opinions so I have mine ;)

DanteXavier

November 14th, 2008, 12:07 AM

In Portugal they are rare, but in the UK they are more common, like the HONDA C-RV for example.

The CR-V isn't a full sized SUV.

Lydon

November 14th, 2008, 12:17 AM

I don't understand how anybody can like a car that's ugly

Not everyone thinks they're ugly.

DanteXavier

November 14th, 2008, 12:23 AM

I don't understand how anybody can like a car that's ugly,

What's "ugly" to you is entirely subjective. I think the Cadillac Escalade looks pretty cool. I feel the same way about the Land Cruiser. You may disagree. The fact is that you can't take a subjective matter and use it as backing for your argument.

"eats" a lot of fuel,

People like luxury sedans and sports cars to. Not everyone looks for fuel economy first and foremost when purchasing a vehicle.

has bad handling,

Not everyone wants great handling either. You think every family is going to the track on weekends?

is not as comfortable as saloon cars and isn't very practical either?

This is actually just plain wrong. Part of the reason people buy giant SUVs like the escalade and Land Cruiser is due to their comfort and practicality. Some families actually need to tow 9000 pounds of boat/trailer and carry 4 kids, 2 parents and a dog with luggage to go camping or boating. In some regions of North America, Suburbans and Tahoes and the like are quite common because many families there really do need the practicality they offer. Other vehicles just won't do the job.
That said, an Escalade owned by a a 3 person family in the middle of the city may be pointless. I'd agree with that, because such a vehicle is impractical in an urban environment. In other environments, however, such vehicles can be the most practical.

As for the comfort aspect, many large SUVs are very comfortable. There is a TON of room in every seat(even the 3rd row) and the ride(especially on luxury models like the Escalade, Denali or land cruiser) is very, very cushy. Nevermind the amenities those vehicles offer. I don't know where you got the idea that they were not comfortable.

So where are the good sides?

Like I said, it depends on who you are.

Good off-road abilities? :lol: What's the percentage of SUV drivers who have driven their car off-road? 2%?

It is higher than that.

In either case, SUVs do provide a level of competency in bad weather conditions that few cars can.

And if you really like off-roading, you'll buy a Land Rover Defender or any other serious 4x4 instead.

Not if you're a working person who cannot afford to buy a vehicle JUST for offroading and will need to commute in it to. Nevermind if that fellow also has a large family to carry around on trips and such.
A Tahoe, Escalade, Pathfinder Armada, Hummer or Land Cruiser might work for that guy. If he wants, he can still install a few little upgrades to the chassis and take it off road once in a blue moon

Of course, everybody has their opinions so I have mine ;)

Sure, but you have to respect those of others to.

goschio

November 14th, 2008, 04:30 AM

I don't understand how anybody can like a car that's ugly, "eats" a lot of fuel, has bad handling, is not as comfortable as saloon cars and isn't very practical either? So where are the good sides? Good off-road abilities? :lol: What's the percentage of SUV drivers who have driven their car off-road? 2%? And if you really like off-roading, you'll buy a Land Rover Defender or any other serious 4x4 instead. Of course, everybody has their opinions so I have mine ;)

Having 4x4 is very useful during European winter with all the snow and ice on the streets. Of course you don't need to drive a SUV. There are several small 4x4 cars like the Audi3 for example.

Rebasepoiss

November 14th, 2008, 07:13 AM

What's "ugly" to you is entirely subjective. I think the Cadillac Escalade looks pretty cool. I feel the same way about the Land Cruiser. You may disagree. The fact is that you can't take a subjective matter and use it as backing for your argument.

I was just explaining why I think about SUV's the way I do.

People like luxury sedans and sports cars to. Not everyone looks for fuel economy first and foremost when purchasing a vehicle.

True, I just mentioned one of the bad sides of and SUV.

Not everyone wants great handling either. You think every family is going to the track on weekends?

Well, OK, I understand you. Different from the USA, our roads have curves.

This is actually just plain wrong. Part of the reason people buy giant SUVs like the escalade and Land Cruiser is due to their comfort and practicality. Some families actually need to tow 9000 pounds of boat/trailer and carry 4 kids, 2 parents and a dog with luggage to go camping or boating. In some regions of North America, Suburbans and Tahoes and the like are quite common because many families there really do need the practicality they offer. Other vehicles just won't do the job.
That said, an Escalade owned by a a 3 person family in the middle of the city may be pointless. I'd agree with that, because such a vehicle is impractical in an urban environment. In other environments, however, such vehicles can be the most practical.

Isn't like Ford Galaxy a car that's meant for large families. There are many other cars as well that can do the job better than SUV's. And most (American) SUV's can handle ridiculously little weight.

As for the comfort aspect, many large SUVs are very comfortable. There is a TON of room in every seat(even the 3rd row) and the ride(especially on luxury models like the Escalade, Denali or land cruiser) is very, very cushy. Nevermind the amenities those vehicles offer. I don't know where you got the idea that they were not comfortable.

That's what makes it so uncomfortable. I really don't like constant swinging when driving.

DanteXavier

November 14th, 2008, 11:22 PM

I was just explaining why I think about SUV's the way I do.

That's fine if you think that way. People are only arguing with you because you generalized the other side("big ego small dick") without even analyzing the facts. Its one thing to state your opinion, but generalization without any factual backup doesn't do anything positive.
If you don't like large SUVs just say so. Don't stereotype everybody who has one or may want one.

True, I just mentioned one of the bad sides of and SUV.

I'm just asking you not to forget the good sides. Some people need them and not everyone thinks they're ugly.

Well, OK, I understand you. Different from the USA, our roads have curves.

And Americans have an obsession with camping and fishing, etc, etc.

Isn't like Ford Galaxy a car that's meant for large families. There are many other cars as well that can do the job better than SUV's. And most (American) SUV's can handle ridiculously little weight.

We are talking about full sized SUVs-Hummers, Escalades, Suburbans, etc, etc. Those can handle ridiculously HEAVY weights. No family vehicle tows more than them.
As far as family hauling duties, yes, minivans like the Chrysler Town and Country do the job as well if not a little better. But they don't carry nearly as much as, say, a Chevy Suburban. And, as I said before, many families might require that towing ability in addition to the family hauling.

That's what makes it so uncomfortable. I really don't like constant swinging when driving.

Again, these aren't designed to be sports cars. They're not gonna take a corner well at high speed or zip through the slalom. If you drive them at moderate speeds, though, they're fine and quite comfortable.
And I don't know of this constant swinging you speak of. These things aren't agile, but they certainly aren't constantly swinging on the road. None of the reviews mention this and neither do drivers. Again, if you drive them normally...

Here's an Escalade review to make my point

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sapmi

November 15th, 2008, 12:42 AM

Stockholm and Sweden in general is packed with SUV:s.

Dreamliner

November 15th, 2008, 01:05 AM

Full size SUV are not common at all in Germany. Just too big, low status, high gas consumption and not really good for the autobahn.

People prefer normal SUV from Porsche, BMW, Audi, Mercedes or Volkswagen.

American SUV's are designed and built for the American market. The SUV was invented here, remember? Wide streets, plentiful, affordable fuel and a consumer base that always has been accustomed to larger vehicles assure a market for them. The American government doesn't abusively tax fuel here. Therefore much more people can afford to run one...unlike other governments that want to maintain large,V6, V8 and V12 powered vehicles exclusively for the upper classes. I'm middle-class, and I own a 2007 Ford Expedition with a V8 (Google it) And I enjoy it everyday. As for low status, have you ever seen one? Ever rode in one? Do you know anyone who has? If you saw one, in wherever it is that you live, I doubt very much it was being driven by someone of the working or middle classes. Most likely, it must have been driven by someone of the upper classes. How could they afford the cost of fuel otherwise? I don't think most wealthy persons would drive something of "low status", do you? As for "bad for the autobahn", what you really must mean that they don't handle like an European vehicle. Well DUHHH, they're trucks! They're NOT designed to handle the same way. They are marketed here mostly as comfortable, strong, safe, spacious transportation, built to get you there through snow, heavy rain, mud and sand. You can't compare apples to oranges.

Dreamliner

November 15th, 2008, 01:14 AM

People who buy those huge SUV's (Hummer H2, Cadillac Escalade) have a "small dick - big ego" problem, IMO.

Oh and since you're so concerned, it's 7.5 inches, 19.1cm. erect. :)

Lydon

November 15th, 2008, 02:39 AM

I certainly hope your attitude isn't representative of your entire country's, as, excuse the pun, you come across as extremely cocky.

goschio

November 15th, 2008, 04:21 AM

"Low STATUS"[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B][/I][B][COLOR=Blue][SIZE=3]??? First of all, American SUV's are for the AMERICAN market. After all, Americans INVENTED the SUV. Our streets are wide and our gas prices are far more affordable. Most people out side America simply aren't used to driving a true, full size vehicle, can not afford to maintain it and the local conditions, i.e. street and roads are too narrow to make them practical. If you can AFFORD to maintain a true, full size SUV in Germany, then my friend you have money, and THAT would equal HIGH Status in your country.

I'm middle-class, and I own a 2007 Ford Expedition with a nice V8 (Google it) And I enjoy it everyday.

That's why nobody wants an American SUV in Germany. Not suitable for the German market. And yes, German SUV have much higher status than some Ford or GM full size SUV.

Dreamliner

November 15th, 2008, 08:30 AM

I certainly hope your attitude isn't representative of your entire country's, as, excuse the pun, you come across as extremely cocky.

No ONE person could represent an entire country or culture. You know, ...it's called individuality. Like most people would, I take issue when some ill mannered, ill informed, envious snob writes I drive junk and have issues with my masculinity. One can express an opinion without offending anyone. I don't know about you, but I find that kind of unprovoked behavior reprehensible. Manners don't cost a thing.

RawLee

November 15th, 2008, 01:24 PM

The only way such huge vehicles can park here:

http://files.blogter.hu/user_files/6148/2008okt13/hummer.jpg
(varos.blogter.hu)

Lydon

November 15th, 2008, 01:41 PM

No ONE person could represent an entire country or culture. You know, ...it's called individuality. Like most people would, I take issue when some ill mannered, ill informed, envious snob writes I drive junk and have issues with my masculinity. One can express an opinion without offending anyone. I don't know about you, but I find that kind of unprovoked behavior reprehensible. Manners don't cost a thing.

Then you sir need to practise what you preach.

Dreamliner

November 15th, 2008, 11:22 PM

Then you sir need to practise what you preach.

And you sir need to read and comprehend posts before writing an opinion. And it's spelled practice not practise.

Lydon

November 15th, 2008, 11:41 PM

And you sir need to read and comprehend posts before writing an opinion. And it's spelled practice not practise.

I have read, and I have comprehended you post and came to the conclusion that you have no manner of talking to people. You come across as, to be quite honest, extremely self-righteous.

And no, it is indeed practise here in South Africa.

Rebasepoiss

November 16th, 2008, 12:38 AM

I certainly hope your attitude isn't representative of your entire country's, as, excuse the pun, you come across as extremely cocky.
Ok, I'm sorry that I generalized things so much and I'm sorry if I offended some of the SUV owners here, BUT in Estonia, SUV is in most cases bought just to show how much money you have. SUV owner here are also most likely to park on handicap places, sidewalks etc(Like on Rawlee's picture) so SUV owner are mostly total pricks. That's just my experience. (And I still don't understand the point of an SUV if you live in a city)

Also:
SUV's are very popular in Estonia(unfortunately), perhaps not full-sized but still. Honda CR-V is the most popular car in Estonia, for example :crazy:
People who buy those huge SUV's (Hummer H2, Cadillac Escalade) have a "small dick - big ego" problem, IMO.
IMO - In my opinion. I also listed the arguments why I think so so I don't see the problem.

Lydon

November 16th, 2008, 12:54 AM

Ok, I'm sorry that I generalized things so much and I'm sorry if I offended some of the SUV owners here, BUT in Estonia, SUV is in most cases bought just to show how much money you have. SUV owner here are also most likely to park on handicap places, sidewalks etc(Like on Rawlee's picture) so SUV owner are mostly total pricks. That's just my experience. (And I still don't understand the point of an SUV if you live in a city)

Also:

IMO - In my opinion. I also listed the arguments why I think so so I don't see the problem.

No matter...I wasn't talking to you so no offense taken :)

Dreamliner

November 16th, 2008, 01:10 AM

I have read, and I have comprehended you post and came to the conclusion that you have no manner of talking to people. You come across as, to be quite honest, extremely self-righteous.

No, you don't comprehend. If you'd bother to reread the posts, you actually may realize that it was not I who started this. I was simply responding to an unprovoked slur. If you have some issue with someone defending themselves then you sir are simply picking an argument where none exists. Perhaps you enjoy playing devils advocate, perhaps you're bored. Perhaps you're one of those poor souls that haunt forums, always sticking their noses in other people's disagreements because you feel ignored and lonely. I don't know, nor care to find out. This ends here, you'll have to find someone else to stroke your ego.
Good Bye, Good Luck, Good Riddance. :)

Lydon

November 16th, 2008, 05:08 PM

No, you don't comprehend. If you'd bother to reread the posts, you actually may realize that it was not I who started this. I was simply responding to an unprovoked slur. If you have some issue with someone defending themselves then you sir are simply picking an argument where none exists. Perhaps you enjoy playing devils advocate, perhaps you're bored. Perhaps you're one of those poor souls that haunt forums, always sticking their noses in other people's disagreements because you feel ignored and lonely. I don't know, nor care to find out. This ends here, you'll have to find someone else to stroke your ego.
Good Bye, Good Luck, Good Riddance. :)

Being a neutral party in said argument, and this being a free forum in which I can express what I want to express, I felt the need to point out you being rude. I don't care that you didn't start the argument...it is the way in which you responded that made you look idiotic.

You seem unable to prove your case, but instead resort to insulting me and pointing out what you thought were mistakes in my grammar. Yet another example of your self-righteous attitude, as had you not attempted to be self-righteous yet again you would not have made yourself look like an idiot. Your attempt at making me look like an idiot in fact backfired.

It is that attitude that made me respond to your post in the first place. Thank you for making my job easier by yet again showing it.

Maxx☢Power

November 16th, 2008, 07:56 PM

And you sir need to read and comprehend posts before writing an opinion. And it's spelled practice not practise.

And you sir need to lay off the crayons, it looks like you ate them all and puked on the screen. Very annoying.

DanteXavier

November 16th, 2008, 11:10 PM

Pics of Large SUVs:

Cadillac Escalade:

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4342/2985301139ec673cca64ohz6.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6234/2906333786fc2de311d3bxn8.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9358/2844388154964632ac1ebpz2.jpg

Escalade and a Hummer H2:

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5771/302468750164a15bf04bblg4.jpg

Escalade EXT:

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/589/3007898831101e757bacbku8.jpg

Escalade ESV:

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7291/292778459154b109afa1bzs5.jpg

Hummer H2:

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/6893/2846451106b590e31bfebqv8.jpg

Ford Expedition:

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4761/292866934408b067be0abrn5.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/8708/2894145164e1e6a0f25dbuy6.jpg

Lincoln Navigator:

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6193/2752547285fd705128a3oxe6.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4442/2928669890fbf90921bebnf8.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6383/28443863767146e51853bdi6.jpg

jacobboyer

November 16th, 2008, 11:16 PM

^^ Sexy as shit.

Inconfidente

November 17th, 2008, 03:58 AM

Is this question serious?

LosAngelesMetroBoy

November 17th, 2008, 04:30 AM

Dreamliner.... im bigger than you :-p

And the line about 'bad fuel effiency' is crap. Back in the states i drive an 06 ford ranger that gets 29MPG. And i have enough power to pull 2 jet skis or my buddies sport fisher. I love SUV's but cant afford the gas for em unfortunately. And no there not just sold in the US, there sold in most developed countries. Smaller SUVs are sold in developing countries cuz of the smaller roads

NorthWesternGuy

November 17th, 2008, 07:47 AM

^^Just a word about all of those full-sized SUVs:

Obsolete...

Xusein

November 17th, 2008, 07:48 AM

Oh and since you're so concerned, it's 7.5 inches, 19.1cm. erect. :)

Thanks for sharing that interesting tidbit with the rest of us. :sly::puke:

And no, SUVs are also quite popular in the Arabian Peninsula. Probably because of the cheap gasoline, I presume.

And I'm sure they are sold in Europe and Asia, they just are not as popular (although they are not as popular in the US all that much anymore either).

GTR22

November 17th, 2008, 10:20 AM

Those big boxes are what is putting GM in the hell hole. I mean why do you need three types of Escalades!????

worldwide

November 17th, 2008, 10:37 AM

i hope this economic meltdown is extremely painful for the drivers of these "retard cars"

diz

November 17th, 2008, 10:51 AM

They sell it in The Philippines usually the Ford Expedition

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll90/tjbesa/sExpedNew.jpg

No way, Philippines?

This is the biggest SUV I've ever ridden... and I'm from America.

ptto

November 17th, 2008, 11:23 AM

And no there not just sold in the US, there sold in most developed countries. Smaller SUVs are sold in developing countries cuz of the smaller roads

You'll see many more full-sized SUVs in Estonia, Ukraine or Romania (not to mention Russia) than in western european nations.

Touaregs, Rangeys, Q7, Cayennes, etc. had their five minutes of glory these last 3-4 years, but it's gone. 2nd hand dealers are full of them now.

He Named Thor

November 17th, 2008, 07:05 PM

Those big boxes are what is putting GM in the hell hole. I mean why do you need three types of Escalades!????
Actually the Escalade is one of the bright spots at GM. The truck is regarded as very cool, and many of the people that buy them are loaded anyway so they can buy the things regardless of gas prices.

The different variants don't cost that much to make. They are almost entirely the same, just a few little modifications. Less work than making a wagon/estate version of a sedan.

GTR22

November 18th, 2008, 03:06 AM

I also noticed GM tries very hard to market itself in movies, such as Transformers, yet nobody has been buying the Pontiac Solstice, but the Charger seems popular and the Camaro seems to be taking forever to come out. Also in Quantam of Solace, Ford is a big prescense. I was wondering if those Edge Hydrogen models were real or just to fit in with the movie?

DanteXavier

November 19th, 2008, 02:35 AM

Those big boxes are what is putting GM in the hell hole. I mean why do you need three types of Escalades!????

Actually, there are 4 types.

http://allworldcars.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/2009-cadillac-escalade-4.jpg
http://autoshow.roadfly.com/wp-content/gallery/2009-cadillac-escalade-hybrid/cadillac-escalade-hybrid.jpg

That's the hybrid version!:bash:

I love Escalades, but that's redundant. GM chose a bad time to focus on developing their trucks as opposed to their small car lineup. They should have focused on more smaller hybrids first. As for the other 3 versions, I don't mind them. I kind of like the EXT.
And like Thor said, the Escalade has given Cadillac a TON of street cred. Cadillac is arguably GM's brightest star right now.

ryanr

November 19th, 2008, 06:16 AM

No way, Philippines?

This is the biggest SUV I've ever ridden... and I'm from America.

Yes. The Ford Expedition is quite popular in the Philippines and are sold in local Ford dealerships (http://www.ford.com.ph/servlet/ContentServer?cid=1137383141060&pagename=FPH%2FDFYPage%2FDefault&c=DFYPage). It is usually seen as a status symbol so many of the elite and celebs have one. There are also Chevrolet Tahoes, Chevy Suburbans, Cadillac Escalades (non-dealer imported) and Lincoln Navigator (non-dealer imported), Nissan Armadas (non-dealer imported) and Toyota Sequoias (non-dealer imported), but the Expedition is by far the most popular.

Out of the "non-US fullsize SUVs" Toyota Land cruiser and Nissan Patrol are very popular too.

With the recent gas prices, more of the rich are starting to choose the BMW X5, Mercedes ML, Volvo XC90, Range Rover, Porsche Cayanne and Audi Q7 over the American full-size SUVs.

Jan 2008 - April 2008 Full-size Sales (keep in mind that these figures are waaay down compared to previous years due to high fuel prices)

BRAND MODEL SALES
Chevrolet Suburban 57
Chevrolet Tahoe 32
Nissan Patrol 147
Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer 65

(There were 46 BMW X5s and 37 Porsche Cayannes sold in the same period)

DELCROID

November 19th, 2008, 03:19 PM

Venezuela is full of SUV´s !!!!! (1 out of every 4 vehicles): Toyota, Jeep, Ford, Chevrolet, Mitsubishi, etc etc...there are even many clubs, shows, competitions, assembly factories and small companies manufacturing accesories (roof-tents, bull-bars, etc).

"Fun Race 4x4" - competition:
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"AWA 4x4" - competition:

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These are 4x4´ers going to the Venezuela Off Road Festival:

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A 2007 promo for the Venezuela Off Road & Adventure Festival:
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DML2

November 20th, 2008, 10:03 AM

Here's an Escalade review to make my point

Holy shit I want one of those!

NorthWesternGuy

November 21st, 2008, 06:51 AM

How about these ones? I know they´re pick-ups, but are almost the same.

Taken by me, a few minutes after an earthquake:lol:

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/9444/moto1086zi2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I liked them because they use diesel engines:)

DELCROID

November 21st, 2008, 05:12 PM

Most 4x4s in Venezuela have gasoline motors as petrol is very cheap: 0.12 $ cents per Gallon (or 0.03 € cents per Liter)....that´s probably one of the main reasons they are so popular and affordable. Also, many large familes normally have them because of their bigger space... so rather than being a status symbol people have them out of need: terrain and difficult traffic conditions requires rugged and safe vehicles for both rural and urban areas. I don´t think it´s a big deal having a 4x4 in Venezuela, on the contrary, it is perceived as something rather normal as people buy them for their practicality. I think 4x4´s have become part of the culture as people have them not just for everyday use but for week-end fun too.

Hummers right now might be seem a bit more of a luxury item and although they are rather expensive there is great demand for them. The opening of a new official distribution network will lower the prices and expected sales will be some 3.000 units per year (H2, H2 SUT-pick up type and H3). European luxury suv brands are not common. Ford, Toyota, GM, and Daimler-Chrysler top the sales.

Some images here:

4x4´s in Venezuela :) :

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1314/foto01plt4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4618/portada20funrace20septimw4.gif (http://imageshack.us)

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Assemblage23

November 22nd, 2008, 09:00 AM

NorthWesternGuy

November 22nd, 2008, 10:45 AM

^^If your visibility gets limited, you should consider buying this one;)

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/4391/2005internationalcxtfarpa6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

VikramRao

November 22nd, 2008, 07:29 PM

^^If your visibility gets limited, you should consider buying this one;)

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/4391/2005internationalcxtfarpa6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

And we wonder why the govt is still thinking about saving the big 3 ? This is just absolute crap.

tvdxer

November 22nd, 2008, 08:02 PM

And we wonder why the govt is still thinking about saving the big 3 ? This is just absolute crap.

That truck is (was) manufactured by International, which is not one of the big 3 and is better known for making commercial trucks.

DELCROID

November 23rd, 2008, 12:10 AM

Too many pictures BTW.

What are you talking about!!!??? ....not as many as other threads one gets to see around with literally hundreds of pictures in them and no one complaining about it ..!!!! :ohno: ... want some examples?...perhaps you may like to say the same thing about them too...it´s a pretty long list BTW

...perhaps people who do like suvs also like to see pictures of them, ..perhaps people who do like whatever topic consecuently do like to see many pictures on that topic and wouldn´t have anything against that...

spongeg

November 24th, 2008, 12:35 AM

i saw a Ford F-650 driving around downtown the other night

i don't know why someone would use it as an everyday vehicle

http://www.autospies.com/images/users/carlover99/geigercars.de-ford-f-650-10.jpg

to give you an idea of size to people and other cars - it literally shadows all others

http://images.motortrend.com/auto_shows/coverage/sema/112_2006_sema_299x+2007_ford_f650_by_DeBerti_Designs+side_view.jpg

http://ahdin.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/ford_f650_08.jpg

goschio

November 24th, 2008, 04:52 AM

Full size SUV are something for developing countries or developed ones with large rural areas and severe weather.

GTR22

November 24th, 2008, 08:14 AM

Why the hell do those need to run in the cities!??? I mean how can you haul any large machinery in that thing without using a crane to lift it into the flatbed?

ChrisZwolle

November 24th, 2008, 10:23 AM

It's intended as a commercial truck. It has a standard 45 gallon tank, but 160 gallon is optional :nuts: It still gets 14 mpg (= 1 liter to 6 km).

DanteXavier

December 11th, 2008, 02:00 AM

Why the hell do those need to run in the cities!??? I mean how can you haul any large machinery in that thing without using a crane to lift it into the flatbed?

Just to be clear, vehicles like those are extremely rare. I've never seen one on the road. They are really intended, as Chris said, to be used as commercial trucks.

GENIUS LOCI

December 12th, 2008, 06:05 PM

Here in Milan there are plenty of SUVs (Smarts and little "expensive" cars like Cooper and new Fiat 500 as well)... since a coupple of years there are even many Humvies on Milan's roads (very rare in Europe)

Last saturday here near Milan Central Station I saw a Hummer Limo, which I saw just in US before... unfortunately I hadn't my camera with me

Elmo

December 14th, 2008, 07:33 PM

When the big 3 in America go bankrupt, they will even get more rare. ;)

GENIUS LOCI

December 15th, 2008, 12:43 PM

^^
It will be the time to have the civil version of that :D

http://www.armyrecognition.com/europe/Belgique/vehicules_a_roues/Iveco_LMV_jeep/Iveco_LMV_light_armoured_jeep_03.jpg

DanteXavier

December 16th, 2008, 04:14 AM

When the big 3 in America go bankrupt, they will even get more rare. ;)

Its more likely that other automakers will just take their place.

Besides, even in the worst-case scenario GM and Chrysler are the ones who would end up going under. Ford isn't doing as badly as the others and can probably survive even without government aid.

tvdxer

December 31st, 2008, 11:58 AM

I dislike both SUVs and Pick-Ups. They are dangerous for us people who drive decent-sized cars; it frustrastes me a lot whenever one of those things gets in front of me, because my visibility get very limited.

Too many pictures BTW.

Yeah, there's nothing worse than being stuck behind a slow pick-up...even worse if it has a topper.

tvdxer

December 31st, 2008, 12:01 PM

Just to be clear, vehicles like those are extremely rare. I've never seen one on the road. They are really intended, as Chris said, to be used as commercial trucks.

True. If somebody's driving one in the city and it's not for work, it's might be because they have a small business and use their vehicle for home errands too.

The largest SUV normally seen on the roads in the U.S. is probably the Ford Excursion; my late dad bought one and that's what my mom drives. The largest pick-up trucks (e.g. Ford F-350, bigger Dodge Rams), especially those lifted by their owners, are also some of the more imposing vehicles on the road.

ChrisZwolle

December 31st, 2008, 01:03 PM

I saw some SsangYong Korando dicking around in the local parking garage yesterday. The woman couldn't find a parking space large enough for that stupid car. The whole parking garage was jammed due to her fooling around.

Moby92

January 2nd, 2009, 10:06 PM

We from Europe are wondering why you guys there in the States don't drive cars like:

Citroën C1
http://www.citrofan.nl/c1aw1.jpg

Toyota Aygo
http://www.aygoclub.nl/Aygo.jpg

Peugeot 206
http://www.autoformule.nu/main_merkentekst/fotoos/peugeot_207-130106.jpg

Citroën C2
http://foto.autozone.be/fotoseurotax/450/citroen-c2-4235.jpg

Renault Twingo
http://www.ikvader.nl/files/renault-twingo-diesel-5718.jpg

Opel Corsa
http://www.autodelaat.nl/corsa/corsa1_5deurs.jpg

They look good, they are small (which is an advantage), they are cheap because the size, the weight and the fuel usage. And they are good for the environment! :D

Europe is full of them.

LtBk

January 2nd, 2009, 10:38 PM

I dislike pick up trucks because of the drivers.

dösanhoro

January 3rd, 2009, 12:05 AM

Xpressway

January 4th, 2009, 02:51 AM

SUV's are sold in Chile, you can see many in the streets but i believe they're becoming everyday less popular as chileans are more worried about fuel economy now.

He Named Thor

January 4th, 2009, 08:16 AM

Houstonian

January 4th, 2009, 08:37 AM

We from Europe are wondering why you guys there in the States don't drive cars like

We do drive cars like those in the U.S, you just don't seem them that often here because we don't like them as much as you guys in Europe do.

We drive kinds like:

Saturn Astra:
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm99/YahTrickYah57/SaturnAstra.jpg

Chevy Aveo:
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm99/YahTrickYah57/ChevyAveo.jpg

Ford Focus, Scion xD, and much more.

They even started selling the smart car in the U.S now.:)

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm99/YahTrickYah57/Smartcar.jpg

DanteXavier

January 4th, 2009, 10:12 AM

Americans just don't traditionally like small cars. Part of this is just a cultural preference for bigger and better things, but a historical trend of lower gas prices in the states has really helped to cause this. Because of this, they prefer larger vehicles, as opposed to Europeans who prefer smaller, sportier vehicles(and who have faced higher gas prices historically to go along with smaller roadways). This is why Toyota sells so many Camrys in the US but can't move many of them in Europe, and it is also why the Honda Accord that Americans get is different from the one the rest of the world receives. It is also why a full sized pickup(the Ford F-150) has been the best selling vehicle in America for so long. Americans just prefer larger things, partly for good reason, and partly just for excess.
I say more power to them(even I like some of the large SUVs, I can't lie), but there is always a catch.

serendip finder

January 4th, 2009, 02:53 PM

The Philippines is still a poor country, but has many large SUV's, especially Fod Expeditions. This partly explained by the large rich-poor gap, the large size of most families, and the lack of good mass transit.

Here at least it would make sense to have a regular-sze car for everyday use and a large SUV for weekend family trips out of town.

DanielFigFoz

January 4th, 2009, 08:04 PM

I saw a Cadilac Escalade a few weeks ago.

DanielFigFoz

January 4th, 2009, 08:05 PM

We do drive cars like those in the U.S, you just don't seem them that often here because we don't like them as much as you guys in Europe do.

We drive kinds like:

Saturn Astra:
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm99/YahTrickYah57/SaturnAstra.jpg

Chevy Aveo:
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm99/YahTrickYah57/ChevyAveo.jpg

Ford Focus, Scion xD, and much more.

They even started selling the smart car in the U.S now.:)

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm99/YahTrickYah57/Smartcar.jpg

We get all of them expet the Scion XD.

nerdly_dood

January 5th, 2009, 10:30 PM

AdamChobits

January 6th, 2009, 07:50 AM

In Madrid I've seen a lot of that kind of Suvs. An american friend who come here actually was surprised that we have a decent number of them here.

Svartmetall

January 6th, 2009, 09:19 AM

Jonesy55

January 6th, 2009, 12:05 PM

Many people around here actually need large vehicles - my dad for example needs a bigger truck than he has now, a 1995 chevrolet silverado half-ton... It does what he needs, much less than what he wants... He's a landscaper and the truck has to labor slowly up the steep hill his current job is on when it's loaded with dirt or mulch.

Yeah, obviously tradespeople, gardeners, electricians, builders etc need big vehicles to cart stuff around in, that's the same everywhere. Here they tend to drive vans like these more often than big SUVs though although not always.

http://z.about.com/d/cars/1/7/v/l/Ford_Transit.jpg

GTR22

January 6th, 2009, 01:05 PM

The Dodge Sprinter recently hit the US. I've seen quite a few already driving around the city. They look better than those Econolines. Ford should bring the transit to compete since Chrysler doesn't have long to live even with bailout money.

tvdxer

January 7th, 2009, 03:23 AM

They are slow because they are too wide. They cause delays for everyone. Is not the way to get popular. Today I saw a suv pickup for the first time. That thing was wide. The other cars coming from the opposite direction had to yield between parked cars because of the width.

I wonder what is the point of these vechicles. Judging by what I saw I wonder if they are even built for transporting goods in the rear. It looked awfully urban in some way. The rear was smaller than I thought. I wonder what people who really need utility vechicles think about them. Does anyone of them really use something like Dodge Ram?

As for pick-up trucks, quite a few of their drivers do indeed use them for work, especially construction work...they can also be very useful for hauling things, whether wood, bikes, ATVs, pop-up trailers, etc. and generally are good in the snow (at least if they are 4 x 4) or off road. On the other hand, many pick-up driver almost never (or never) use their pick-up beds and drive the vehicles as they would a car. Many even turn them into "low riders" by lowering their ground clearance and modify them to look better. Why? Simply because a lot of Americans like the pick-up truck "aesthetic". Pick-ups are seen as manly, powerful, and are an image of the "country lifestyle" a lot of Americans respect or even aspire to.

Most SUVs are not used for work (in my experience). Those who drive them
often have families to carry around, or simply think they are safer or are nicer.

tvdxer

January 7th, 2009, 03:25 AM

Yeah, obviously tradespeople, gardeners, electricians, builders etc need big vehicles to cart stuff around in, that's the same everywhere. Here they tend to drive vans like these more often than big SUVs though although not always.

A lot of Americans businesses do the same. My family's own business owns a fleet of 15-seater vans that installers use to carry carpet and other flooring supplies. Back in the day, we would spend the $500 or so needed to buy a junky old van and run it until it broke down, in which case we'd buy another one. Now we have nicer (but still used) vans with our logo painted on them.

dösanhoro

January 8th, 2009, 08:22 PM

Most maintenance people use almost always Ford Transit style trucks. I have seen a few pickup trucks in the countryside. I found the Dodge thing I saw ridiculous because the open storage area was so small and the car wider than the cars I mentioned. I feel it is not really useful as a pickup for I don't know , a farmer for example. :nuts:

sapmi

January 8th, 2009, 08:31 PM

Common view from Stockholm. The SUV-owners park everywhere and don't care about the parking fines since they can easily pay them... :bash:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2401/2436138011_6d0013f21c_b.jpg

Common SUV:s in Stockholm:

Range Rover:

http://www.garaget.org/gallery/archive/1786/275557_hy44tu.jpg

Audi Q7:

http://www.garaget.org/gallery/archive/1786/275552_9l97la.jpg

Volvo XC90

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Volvo_XC_90_T6_AWD.jpg/300px-Volvo_XC_90_T6_AWD.jpg

Lexus RX

http://image.fbt.se/global/images/image.php?src=%2Fmnt%2Fnewftp%2Fbiltorgetimage%2Fcars%2Fu%2Fujb745a.z.jpg&width=575

Houstonian

January 9th, 2009, 01:27 AM

^^^^

All of those are commonly seen in the U.S also, especially the Lexus RX, Volvo XC90 and the Range Rover.

DanielFigFoz

January 9th, 2009, 10:15 AM

The question was "Are full-size SUV's sold only in North America (Canada, Mexico and the USA)?"

The awnser is no.

TakeMeHigher

February 18th, 2009, 07:08 PM

We do get full sized (gross sized?) SUV's over here in Europe but the drivers tend to get laughed at - a lot.

Consequently they are often driven by boxers, who still get laughed at - even more. :D

nerdly_dood

February 18th, 2009, 09:59 PM

Yeah, obviously tradespeople, gardeners, electricians, builders etc need big vehicles to cart stuff around in, that's the same everywhere. Here they tend to drive vans like these more often than big SUVs though although not always.

What i meant by the comment you replied to is that pickup trucks and utility trucks are mostly used - as tvdxer said, SUVs are mostly used for people transport.

Vans, which look much better than the larger alternative, the box-truck, aren't as accessible as pickup trucks - you can dump mulch, soil or whatever into the back of a pickup truck by a frontloader - which would be very difficult to do with a van, so vans are mostly used by utility companies for small jobs to hold hand-tools and smaller equipment. Personally I don't see why the various manufacturers can't just use the same style of van worldwide, but most of our utility vans are Chevrolet Express and Ford E-series vans, which are wider and shorter than the European Mercedes Sprinter (which is slowly gaining popularity in America as the Dodge Sprinter) and the Ford Transit (not sold in the US - we have the E-series)

Enough talk about work trucks - this thread's about SUVs.

rosn19

February 19th, 2009, 07:33 AM

You know, SUV'S in Mexico are not THAT popular as they are in the USA and Canada. Here I see more volkswagen bora, pointer, derby, and renaults and peugeouts and nissans and also a few fiats. SUV'S here are seen, but no as commonly as in the northern neighbouring countries. My step father is from louisiana, and when his family comes here, they laugh at all the "funny looking" european cars, they say those cars look like trycicles, and they make fun of my mom's 206 peugeot, and they say it is unsafe because "it aint big and safe like a ford suv". i dont like suvs, they take up too much space and consume too much gas, and here if you have one those things you are an easy target for it to get stolen. that guy that opened this thread made it sound as if 90% of the people in mexico have them and are able to afford them, when their price is usually at 400,000 pesos (about 40,000 eur,im not sure), most people i know that drive those things here, think they are all that, and like to show off all the time and act like they are all tough by running red lights, honking at people and passing cars in the highway at 160km/hr while flicking them off with the middle finger while talking on their damn cellphone:ohno:. Most people here buy volkswagen (probably the most popular one), renault, peugeot, nissan, toyota, fiat, mitsubishi and just not very long ago chinese FAW, most of these being regular size cars, and not SUV'S.

nagara373

December 21st, 2010, 03:42 PM

Large SUVs are not available in Iceland, Denmark, Norway and Sweden.

nagara373

December 21st, 2010, 03:43 PM

Random_Guy

December 21st, 2010, 05:04 PM

My neighbour drives one of these:

http://www.google.pl/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://www.kegbus.com/images/suv_lincoln.jpg&sa=X&ei=VcEQTdDAD4rn4Abl-NiEAg&ved=0CAQQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNE5bkDbeGTn6P6bGjyvv8voB1Hgrw

But he's a huge fan of American cars, so I guess it's an exception. American SUVs are not so popular in Poland. Asian and European SUVs have become pretty popular recently, though. Well, I envy the owners, especially now during the heavy snowing.

Alfa-Omega

December 21st, 2010, 08:58 PM

DanielFigFoz

December 23rd, 2010, 07:33 PM

I've been seeing a lot of LHD american SUV'S and Pickup's recently.

Luli Pop

December 27th, 2010, 06:48 PM

full size SUVs are so uncivilized

chornedsnorkack

December 31st, 2010, 08:49 PM

What is certain is that full size SUV-s are only produced in USA for now. Lincoln Navigator L is 567 cm long (SWB is 529 cm long), while Town Car LWB is 562 cm and Town Car SWB is 547 cm. Cadillac Escalade ESV is 566 cm, short version is 514 cm, while DTS is 527 cm.

True, full size SUVs take up space in road and burn fuel, but so do big sedans. Mercedes is associated with Maybach, and Maybach sedans have lengths of 573 and 616 cm. Mercedes also produces GL-class SUV, which is just 510 cm long - but there is no Maybach SUV. Rolls-Royce produces Phantom sedan (in lengths 583 and 609 cm), as well as Drophead Coupe (561 cm long), but there is no Rolls-Royce SUV. Bentley produces Mulsanne sedan (558 or so cm) and Brooklands coupe (541 cm), but there is no Bentley SUV.

Does Hongqi have any plan for SUV?

Magnus Brage

January 12th, 2011, 04:24 PM

Stockholm and Sweden in general is packed with SUV:s.

yes, also family vans as the Toyota Previa and Chevy TransSport are common.

One vehicle I miss is the Toyota Tundra. Not availbe here as far as I know.

http://maxicars.ru/cars/tundra3.jpg

Common view from Stockholm. The SUV-owners park everywhere and don't care about the parking fines since they can easily pay them... :bash:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2401/2436138011_6d0013f21c_b.jpg

The old Town of Stockholm is the only place where SUVs don't fit, unless you want to park on the pavement ,which means a hefty fine. But if you drive a SUV here you probably can afford it.

lafreak84

January 12th, 2011, 04:39 PM

SUVs are not popular in Europe because of two main reasons. First reason is fuel consumption (very bad mileage + very high fuel prices) and second reason are high taxes to be paid for such vehicle. There are SUVs on our streets however but most popular are pretend-SUVs-actually-SAVs (X5, Q7, Range Rover, Porsche Cayenne...), smaller SAVs (X3, Q5, RAV4, Captiva...) and really small SAVs (X1, Qashqai, Kuga...). SAVs tend to be smaller and don't have off-road capabilities (only on paper) but are popular in Europe because they are cheap to maintain (smaller engines->better mileage->smaller taxes). Real SUVs (Ford F series, Dodge RAM...) are for countries with cheap gas and small taxes (North American countries) and not for Europe. Besides maintenance costs, another problem are narrow streets and small parking spaces which, at least from I know, are still defined by 80' standards when cars were much much smaller than today.

Magnus Brage

January 12th, 2011, 04:54 PM

lafreak84

January 12th, 2011, 05:12 PM

Magnus Brage

January 12th, 2011, 08:38 PM

^^ Why not when a car is a right in United States and not a privilege like in Europe. If we would have such low fuel prices and almost non-existent insurance costs, we would also drive monster SUVs. :D We, however, go in another direction. We make engines smaller and more efficient each year and yet they (government) find a way to legally rob us even more each year.

I agree but in the USA the suply of public transport is poor, and the cities are widespread with low density of population that makes the car a needed object for transportation..

In north Sweden circumstances are similar to the above. Yet fuel prices, taxes are as high as in Stockholm where a wide net of public transportation exists. That is not fair. A little comfort is that insurance in North Sweden is less than in the Centre of Stckholm.

1000city

January 24th, 2011, 06:47 PM

US-sized car on euro-sized street in Poland:

IS3iHAD83KE

The car ws parked rongfully, but the driver dared to be angry on the cameraman and other drivers :lol: Small dick - car: BIG!

Escalade is the only full size SUV ever available in Poland by authorised dealers. But with price well over 100k Eur (140k USD) I doubt if they sold even one. Smaller, but still large and luxurious SUVs of german, british or japanese brands are better priced and available with diesel. All/most of amercan SUVs are either new or used grey imports. There are 3 or 4 EXT Escalades in my area, some regular Escalades and Navigators, several GMT400 Suburbans, but generally speaking these are exotic cars here. Probably I see more Porsches a week, than large american SUVs a year. H2, H3 Hummers and Jeeps are nothing extraordinary here, but they’re under 5 meters, so don’t count :)

I used to meet this classic C/K Suburban frequently, but sadly haven’t seen it recently:

http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx17/swoboda_t/Klasyki/DSC00587.jpg

http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx17/swoboda_t/Klasyki/DSC00586.jpg

http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx17/swoboda_t/Klasyki/DSC00517.jpg

http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx17/swoboda_t/Klasyki/DSC00524.jpg

7-series bimmer looks tiny parked along this monster :lol:

DanielFigFoz

January 24th, 2011, 07:20 PM

^^ Wow, you have Portuguese banks in Poland!

nagara373

January 28th, 2011, 04:49 PM

Luli Pop

January 28th, 2011, 06:43 PM

^^ Why not when a car is a right in United States and not a privilege like in Europe. If we would have such low fuel prices and almost non-existent insurance costs, we would also drive monster SUVs. :D We, however, go in another direction. We make engines smaller and more efficient each year and yet they (government) find a way to legally rob us even more each year.

cars are not a privilege in Europe, is just not needed in most cities.

a privelege in Europe would be to live in a good appartment in a historical center.

SUVs are seen as cheese in Europe and unintelligent.

Europeans are also concern about global warming.

Europeans prefer a little real butter than 1kg of hydrogenated oil. small quantities of the highest quality while in noth America is the other way.

is a matter of education

billiam

January 28th, 2011, 06:44 PM

Funnily enough 3 days ago I saw a privately owned h2 hummer (as opposed a stretched one in limo service) for the first time. The owner had spent a few minutes apparently trying to park it and had finally left it nearly parked in 2 spaces so he could go about his business. As he got out an attractive young lady came up to him and asked if it was his car to which he said yes beaming with pride, she then went on to say in a loud voice "wow you must have a really small p****" before walking off laughing and pointing at him. Unfortunately the owners day didn't get better as an hour later later as I headed back to my car the hummer was being clamped.

This is pretty typical of a growing attitude in the UK that SUV and 4x4 = evil captalist, polluting pig or even worse, banker. I live on a small farm so have 3 4x4s (2 land rover defenders, a series 3 110 twincab pickup and swb series 1 I'm restoring, plus my Subaru legacy estate) I did look also looked at getting a larger f150 pickup but was larger than pas practical for where I lived and I was disappointed with the build quality and finish on the model I saw so I'll probably be buying another Subaru or similar estate instead.

So here's the thing some car designs don't work as well as others in some situations. In the UK and Europe the agility to handle narrow and Bendy streets and roads, flexibility and economy tends to be higher up the priority list and the American Super size SUVs tend not to offer what European customers need, but why would they? They are after all designed for American audiences.

AtD

January 29th, 2011, 01:16 AM

It's very common in the inner cities here for car park structures to be too low for large SUVs. Near my old university one of the main car parks had a clearance of just 1.7 meters at the ramp and the warning device wasn't chains but a steel I-beam. Every now and then someone would bash into it. It was good for a laugh.

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=adelaide&aq=&sll=-25.335448,135.745076&sspn=58.48668,89.560547&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Adelaide+South+Australia&ll=-34.922631,138.606219&spn=0.003356,0.005466&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=-34.922626,138.606555&panoid=wMf027JtH6QeFeUDaP5yyQ&cbp=12,182.09,,0,2.21

AtD

January 29th, 2011, 01:23 AM

US-sized car on euro-sized street in Poland

Wow if you did that in many parts of the world, you'd come back to find your car vandalised or at least scratched.

chornedsnorkack

January 29th, 2011, 01:26 AM

Luli Pop

January 29th, 2011, 01:48 AM

the owner of a Rolls also owns a chauffeur...

these people usually uses vallet parkings also while SUV users are often just red necks.

it´s exactly the oppsite side of social spectrum!

NorthWesternGuy

January 29th, 2011, 02:29 AM

nerdly_dood

January 29th, 2011, 04:18 AM

Wow if you did that in many parts of the world, you'd come back to find your car vandalised or at least scratched.

I'm sure my 1999 Ford Taurus would do just fine at 502cm long, 185cm wide. Compare that to the current-gen Taurus at 515x195cm, and the Renault Laguna of the same year at 450x175cm.

strandeed

January 29th, 2011, 10:10 AM

909

January 30th, 2011, 07:38 PM

cars are not a privilege in Europe, is just not needed in most cities.

a privelege in Europe would be to live in a good appartment in a historical center.

SUVs are seen as cheese in Europe and unintelligent.

Europeans are also concern about global warming.

Europeans prefer a little real butter than 1kg of hydrogenated oil. small quantities of the highest quality while in noth America is the other way.

is a matter of education
What a load of crap. Have you ever visited of lived in Europe? The 'common' European isn't a green idealist like you want to believe. With a small exception of some European citycenters cars are still needed in most cities. And even in those historical centers you can see many big cars, just take a look in London, Paris, Dusseldorf, Berlin etc. SUV's aren't seen as "cheese" and "unintelligent", with the exception in some leftwing political parties. But that shouldn't be a suprise.

xrtn2

January 30th, 2011, 08:57 PM

In brazil you can buy

http://www.carplace.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/kia_mohave.jpg

http://images.noticiasautomotivas.com.br/img/f/avaliacao-f-250-tropivan-fotos-exterior-1.JPG

http://images.noticiasautomotivas.com.br/img/f/toyota-hilux-sw4-2009-gasolina-1.jpg

http://www.mitsubishimotors.com.br/mitproduto/galeria/fotos/full_1.jpg

http://www.tropicalcabines.com.br/adm/arquivos/1223297289dsc04013.jpg

http://images.noticiasautomotivas.com.br/img/f/dodge-durango-2011-1.jpg

julesstoop

January 30th, 2011, 09:11 PM

What a load of crap. Have you ever visited of lived in Europe? The 'common' European isn't a green idealist like you want to believe. With a small exception of some European citycenters cars are still needed in most cities. And even in those historical centers you can see many big cars, just take a look in London, Paris, Dusseldorf, Berlin etc. SUV's aren't seen as "cheese" and "unintelligent", with the exception in some leftwing political parties. But that shouldn't be a suprise.

I don't completely agree with your assertion. I know many people with a decent income who don't own nor need a car for day to day travel (e.g. working, culture, shopping) me included. Most of us aren't as an*l - excusez le mot - as @Luli_Pop but there's is a shimmer of truth in his post.

909

January 30th, 2011, 09:41 PM

^^ People 'with a decent income who don't own nor need a car for day to day travel' aren't quintessential European. The same kind of people can be find in other parts of the world, these people are a minority compared to the total population. The fact that you know a lot of people who don't need a car doesn't change the fact a lot of people do need a car, it's a form of denying the antecedent. We both can't deny living without a car in Leiden would be much easier and less limited than living without a car in e.g. Emmen. The Europe described by Luli_Pop isn't the Europe presented by facts and figures.

http://media.economist.com/images/rankings/11-CarOwnership01.jpg

Magnus Brage

January 30th, 2011, 09:44 PM

nerdly_dood

January 31st, 2011, 04:40 AM

Some statistics from Sweden:

8,8 % of all new cars are 4 wheel drive

Bigger midsize cars and SUVs make up a 27 % of all cars in the EU, BUT 57 % in Sweden.

Sweden has more SUVs than Norway and Finland.

Scandinavia has a legitimate need for SUVs. With such a cold snowy climate, front-wheel-drive cars are better than older rear-wheel-drive cars, but 4x4 vehicles are much better than either of those, so you'll see more Chevy Tahoes, Volvo XC90s, etc.

Ah! Monterrey

January 31st, 2011, 05:54 AM

As you know America is not USA! Here in Mexico is natural to see SUVS and smalls cars

I-275westcoastfl

January 31st, 2011, 06:21 AM

cars are not a privilege in Europe, is just not needed in most cities.

a privelege in Europe would be to live in a good appartment in a historical center.

SUVs are seen as cheese in Europe and unintelligent.

Europeans are also concern about global warming.

Europeans prefer a little real butter than 1kg of hydrogenated oil. small quantities of the highest quality while in noth America is the other way.

is a matter of education
Haha what Europe do you live in? Cars are a privilege in Europe but they are needed in cities just not as much and you could manage comfortably without one. Yes living in a nice city center apartment is desirable but so is owning a single family home. In Europe it's not too different from North America there are obsessed people who absolutely believe in global warming, people who don't care, and people who say it's rubbish. SUV's are a status in Europe, especially luxury ones, I've shipped an American SUV to Poland because when the economy there was growing people wanted things like American cars. Americans prefer real butter but it's cheaper and for some people better to use oil, some people don't know the difference.

billiam

January 31st, 2011, 11:58 AM

Luli Pop

January 31st, 2011, 06:19 PM

Haha what Europe do you live in? Cars are a privilege in Europe but they are needed in cities just not as much and you could manage comfortably without one. Yes living in a nice city center apartment is desirable but so is owning a single family home. In Europe it's not too different from North America there are obsessed people who absolutely believe in global warming, people who don't care, and people who say it's rubbish. SUV's are a status in Europe, especially luxury ones, I've shipped an American SUV to Poland because when the economy there was growing people wanted things like American cars. Americans prefer real butter but it's cheaper and for some people better to use oil, some people don't know the difference.

a little bit of intellectual honesty please :bash:

Magnus Brage

January 31st, 2011, 08:21 PM

Scandinavia has a legitimate need for SUVs. With such a cold snowy climate, front-wheel-drive cars are better than older rear-wheel-drive cars, but 4x4 vehicles are much better than either of those, so you'll see more Chevy Tahoes, Volvo XC90s, etc.

In Continental Europe people mostly drive "girly cars" like this polish one I saw at the parking lot outside the MegaMall.
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/9475/bild007pv.jpg
At the same parking in Sweden I saw tons of SUVs, mostly KIA, Nissan, Landrover and GM cars.

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/1636/suv1808.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/i/suv1806.jpg
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/8528/suv002.jpg
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3119/suv006.jpg
^^Escalade, allthough not very common among the SUVs.
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/295/suv1806.jpg

I-275westcoastfl

February 1st, 2011, 12:30 AM

That's funny because because you saw one "girlish" car from Poland I've been to Poland and seen many SUV's as well.

nerdly_dood

February 1st, 2011, 01:52 AM

I-275westcoastfl

February 1st, 2011, 01:54 AM

^^Exactly I want a Ford Mondeo! So many more too!

1000city

February 1st, 2011, 12:41 PM

Normal sized Hummer H2 is 517 cm long.

Among the sedans, Rolls-Royce Phantom, even SWB, is 583 cm long, Bentley Mulsanne is 558 cm, Jaguar XJ LWB is 525 cm. If a Hummer owner cannot find a parking spot, what can a Rolls-Royce owner do? The Brits are producing Rollses, Bentleys, Jaguars....

With RR or Bentley you don't look for parking spot, the spot is looking for You. Or You simply own it :)

That's funny because because you saw one "girlish" car from Poland I've been to Poland and seen many SUV's as well.

Yeap, but like in most of Europe usually the smaller ones with +/- 2 litre diesel engines like Mitsu Otulander, Toyota RAV4, Honda CRV, Ford Kuga etc. They're reasonably priced and sized, very popular indeed. Two of my friends drive CRVs. Larger ones like ML-class, X5, Land Cruiser etc. are noticeably less popular, mostly for their costs, but stil quite common. Among full size ones (which I unerstand: above 500cm/197in.) Audi Q7 is popular, probably even more than forementioned ML, X5, LC (my neighbour even got two Q7s, for him and his wife:)) and... that's it. MB GL-class is rare, and other models (only american left, I guess) can be IMO called exotic.

Anyway: people in Europe like SUVs too, but - for economical and practical reasons - smaller ones.

There are certainly some European cars that I would absolutely love to see in America, especially this one. Hell, I wouldn't even mind seeing a Skoda Octavia...
http://www.italiancar.net/site/news/07/0702/Alfa_159/alfa_159_1b.jpg

A great car. We got 120 of them in traffic police :cheers:
http://foto.scigacz.pl/cache/imgs/_w750/gallery/aktualnosci/Alfy_Romeo_159_w_Policji_oczy_dookola_glowy/alfa_romeo_159_policja.jpg
http://www.bikers.pl/images/uploaded/image//Wiadomo%C5%9Bci%20Kraj/Alfa-Romeo_Policja_03.jpg

I-275westcoastfl

February 1st, 2011, 06:36 PM

Yeap, but like in most of Europe usually the smaller ones with +/- 2 litre diesel engines like Mitsu Otulander, Toyota RAV4, Honda CRV, Ford Kuga etc. They're reasonably priced and sized, very popular indeed. Two of my friends drive CRVs. Larger ones like ML-class, X5, Land Cruiser etc. are noticeably less popular, mostly for their costs, but stil quite common. Among full size ones (which I unerstand: above 500cm/197in.) Audi Q7 is popular, probably even more than forementioned ML, X5, LC (my neighbour even got two Q7s, for him and his wife:)) and... that's it. MB GL-class is rare, and other models (only american left, I guess) can be IMO called exotic.

Anyway: people in Europe like SUVs too, but - for economical and practical reasons - smaller ones.

Oh yeah I know, smaller SUV's are everywhere now over here as well. The Audi Q7 is a great SUV there aren't many American SUV's that can compete but over there having a large American SUV is a luxury. Surprisingly what I hear from many people it's not really the fuel price that makes them not want an SUV as much as it is the taxes.

nerdly_dood

February 1st, 2011, 09:58 PM

^^Exactly I want a Ford Mondeo! So many more too!

You can. Ford Contour (shockingly mundane car of the 90s) was nearly identical, and more lately, the Ford Fusion is similar.

full size ones (which I unerstand: above 500cm/197in.)

My car is a 1999 Ford Taurus, which measures 197.5 x 73 inches, and is considered a midsize car. (The bumpers are kinda soft, so i guess if you push the pumper with your hand it then fits your definition?)

The newer Taurus is 202.9 x 76.9 inches and is considered a full-size car. (Compare to the car typically thought of as simply enormous, the Crown Victoria, at 212 x 78 inches)

nerdly_dood

February 1st, 2011, 10:27 PM

ahh, hmm, double post...

julesstoop

February 3rd, 2011, 03:08 AM

Magnus Brage

February 5th, 2011, 11:09 PM

There are certainly some European cars that I would absolutely love to see in America, especially this one. Hell, I wouldn't even mind seeing a Skoda Octavia...
http://www.italiancar.net/site/news/07/0702/Alfa_159/alfa_159_1b.jpg

Alfa Romeo is car with a nice sporty design, but service-costs are stellar. Every 80.000 km you have to change the timing belt, which means lift up of complete engine, cost about 1000€.

I was speculant of a Alfa Romeo 166 for 2000€ but the timing belt had to be changed,so it wasn't worth it.

Alfa Romeo is a less seen car in Sweden, especially in the countryside. Not very popular means nice price as used cars.

When in Italy last year I saw lots of newer Lancia-cars. Those cars are not availible for purchase at all in Sweden. They are regarded as more design than practically usefull, people in the north don't need art &design and or show off cars, they want useful simple and enduring cars.

You can. Ford Contour (shockingly mundane car of the 90s) was nearly identical, and more lately, the Ford Fusion is similar.

Mercury Maquise is a US-version of the mondeo, I know an imported one in my hometown. I think it has more outstanding design compared to the somewhat anonomous Mondeo.

Kixnet

February 7th, 2011, 01:31 AM

Mercedes-Benz GL Class's are sold in the UK and probably Germany. But I don't know about the rest of Europe.

Magnus Brage

February 7th, 2011, 05:12 PM

Mercedes-Benz GL Class's are sold in the UK and probably Germany. But I don't know about the rest of Europe.

GL means Geländewagen:- Off road-vehicle. The GL had the same look since 1979 to the early 2000's. Nothing about the exterior of the car changed through the years, but the pricetag sure did.

Having that in mind this car was not very popular.

Abot the Alfa Romeo 166 and similar cars, these are very sporty cars tailormade for steep curvy roads, which you may find in Italy but not in Sweden or the USA. Except in the state of Colorado.

In the 1980ies the Colorado State police drove Saab 900 and not the usual full size "acres of sheet metal" Ford Crown Victoria Trooper police car.

R
Why do we not see any Ford Crown Victorias in Sweden ?

Well due to the prices and shortage of spair parts.

Right now I checked out ads of the few crown vics sold. A worn 1989 one goes for 12000 euro
http://www.blocket.se/jonkoping/Ford_Crown_Victoria_LTD_31678325.htm?ca=14&w=3

IN THE us IT would probably sell för about 1000 euro

nerdly_dood

February 7th, 2011, 08:48 PM

Abot the Alfa Romeo 166 and similar cars, these are very sporty cars tailormade for steep curvy roads, which you may find in Italy but not in Sweden or the USA. Except in the state of Colorado.

Add to that VA, TN, NC, WV, AK and ones I haven't been to, including GA, PA, NY, NH, VT and probably ME in the east, and WA, OR, CA, NV, AZ, UT, WY, MT, and ID in the west.

Kixnet

February 8th, 2011, 12:05 AM

GL means Geländewagen:- Off road-vehicle. The GL had the same look since 1979 to the early 2000's. Nothing about the exterior of the car changed through the years, but the pricetag sure did.

Having that in mind this car was not very popular.

Abot the Alfa Romeo 166 and similar cars, these are very sporty cars tailormade for steep curvy roads, which you may find in Italy but not in Sweden or the USA. Except in the state of Colorado.

In the 1980ies the Colorado State police drove Saab 900 and not the usual full size "acres of sheet metal" Ford Crown Victoria Trooper police car.

R
Why do we not see any Ford Crown Victorias in Sweden ?

Well due to the prices and shortage of spair parts.

Right now I checked out ads of the few crown vics sold. A worn 1989 one goes for 12000 euro
http://www.blocket.se/jonkoping/Ford_Crown_Victoria_LTD_31678325.htm?ca=14&w=3

IN THE us IT would probably sell för about 1000 euro

You're thinking of the G Class. That's the rugged old looking one. I like it but that's mainly for rugged use. Except the G55 AMG. The GL class has been produced only from 2006. That's the larger one.

This is a GL: http://shop.mercedes-benzofmiltonkeynes.co.uk/catalog/images/Lb-Mercedes-Benz_GL-_94819i.jpg

1000city

February 8th, 2011, 02:10 AM

My car is a 1999 Ford Taurus, which measures 197.5 x 73 inches, and is considered a midsize car. (The bumpers are kinda soft, so i guess if you push the pumper with your hand it then fits your definition?)

The newer Taurus is 202.9 x 76.9 inches and is considered a full-size car. (Compare to the car typically thought of as simply enormous, the Crown Victoria, at 212 x 78 inches)

Those difeerences between US, Europe and Japan can be funny sometimes. For You up there 5-meters 3,5 V6 car is a family car, an ordinary commuter. Why I made that 5-meters-assumption is that very few euro cars exceed this limit. Forementioned Q7 and GL-class, luxury saloons and coupes (MB S and CL, BMW 7, Audi A8, Jag XJ, VW Phaeton) and high-end exotics (RRs, Bentleys, Maybachs, Bristols etc.). I drive 5,5m/217in. long Renault Master panel van sometimes and find it hard to park and maneuver in city enviroment. I like american cars and SUVs with those massive bodies and engines, but they just don't fit here :) Fuel is just one of the issues, can be bypassed by LPG conversion in many countries.

Alfa Romeo is car with a nice sporty design, but service-costs are stellar. Every 80.000 km you have to change the timing belt, which means lift up of complete engine, cost about 1000€.

I was speculant of a Alfa Romeo 166 for 2000€ but the timing belt had to be changed,so it wasn't worth it.

Actually the 159 is much more reliable and easier to maintain than older Alfas. It shares underpinning with Oplel Vectra C. That includes many of the engines. And in ADAC/DEKRA rating it scores better than german counterparts. It's a good, not just beautiful car. But it's not that practial, that's true.

Mercedes-Benz GL Class's are sold in the UK and probably Germany. But I don't know about the rest of Europe.

It's available in other euro states too, but never got popular in any. It's too large and expensive (in Poland for 1 basic GL man can get nearly 1,5 basic ML). GL was designed for US, it's made in US and fits there, not here. Still, I like i's design a lot :cheers:
GL means Geländewagen:- Off road-vehicle. The GL had the same look since 1979 to the early 2000's. Nothing about the exterior of the car changed through the years, but the pricetag sure did. Having that in mind this car was not very popular.

You confused G-class with GL-class. GL is full-size SUV, ang G is classic off-roader. Very good car, but also very expensive. I'd love to buy the G-class cabrio, but can't afford unless I win the lotto :) 90k EUR/123k USD for the basic one, equivalent of a very nice flat in my city :nuts:

1000city

February 8th, 2011, 02:12 AM

My car is a 1999 Ford Taurus, which measures 197.5 x 73 inches, and is considered a midsize car. (The bumpers are kinda soft, so i guess if you push the pumper with your hand it then fits your definition?)

The newer Taurus is 202.9 x 76.9 inches and is considered a full-size car. (Compare to the car typically thought of as simply enormous, the Crown Victoria, at 212 x 78 inches)

Those diferrences between US, Europe and Japan can be funny sometimes. For You up there 5-meters 3,5 V6 car is a family car, an ordinary commuter. Why I made because 5-meters-assumption is that in Europe very few cars exceed this limit. Formentioned Q7 and GL-class, luxury saloons and coupes (MB S and CL, BMW 7, Audi A8, Jag XJ, VW Phaeton) and high-end exotics (RRs, Bentleys, Maybachs, Bristols etc.). I drive 5,5m/217in. long Renault Master panel van sometimes and find it hard to park and maneuver in city enviroment. I like american cars and SUVs with those massive bodies and engines, but they just don't fit here :) Fuel is just one of the issues, can be bypassed by LPG conversion in many countries.

Alfa Romeo is car with a nice sporty design, but service-costs are stellar. Every 80.000 km you have to change the timing belt, which means lift up of complete engine, cost about 1000€.

I was speculant of a Alfa Romeo 166 for 2000€ but the timing belt had to be changed,so it wasn't worth it.

Actually the 159 is much more reliable and easier to maintain than older Alfas. It shares underpinning with Oplel Vectra C. That includes many of the engines. And in ADAC/DEKRA ratings it scores better than german counterparts. It's a good, not just beautiful car. But not particulary practial, that's true.

Mercedes-Benz GL Class's are sold in the UK and probably Germany. But I don't know about the rest of Europe.

It's available in other euro states too, but never got popular in any. It's too large and expensive (in Poland for 1 basic GL man can get nearly 1,5 basic ML, both 3,0 diesel powered). GL was designed for US, it's made in US and fits there, not here. Still, I like it's design a lot :cheers:

GL means Geländewagen:- Off road-vehicle. The GL had the same look since 1979 to the early 2000's. Nothing about the exterior of the car changed through the years, but the pricetag sure did. Having that in mind this car was not very popular.

You confused G-class with GL-class. GL is full-size SUV, ang G is classic off-roader. Very good car, but also very expensive. I'd love to buy the G-class cabrio, but can't afford unless I win the lotto :) 90k EUR/123k USD for the basic one, equivalent of a nice flat in my city :nuts:

loefet

February 8th, 2011, 06:49 PM

Scandinavia has a legitimate need for SUVs. With such a cold snowy climate, front-wheel-drive cars are better than older rear-wheel-drive cars, but 4x4 vehicles are much better than either of those, so you'll see more Chevy Tahoes, Volvo XC90s, etc.
Sorry but we don't need any SUV's to get by here on the roads during the winter, any car will do fine as long as you have some good winter tires on it and know how to handle it. Heck a lot of the people that live furhter north still drive around in their Volvo 240:s and they get by just fine.
On the other hand I do agree with you that a front wheel drive or 4 wheel drive is the better option for a safer ride, but then again it's much more fun to drive with RWD when it's slippery (which I do at the moment).

And Chevy Tahoes, just no. There are only a "handful" of those here in Sweden, usually imported by those that (for some reason) likes American cars... :)
Most SUV's that are sold here in Sweden are from Europe/Asia. I guess that the main reason why there are so many new SUV's sold here is that a lot of people have accepted the American mantra that Bigger = Better, which isn't always the case.

Also another thing I would like to point out about this thread, people seems to have a problem to see the difference between a SUV and a 4x4...

nerdly_dood

February 9th, 2011, 12:14 AM

Also another thing I would like to point out about this thread, people seems to have a problem to see the difference between a SUV and a 4x4...

Because no SUV is worth having unless it's got 4 wheel drive.

Magnus Brage

February 19th, 2011, 10:03 PM

And Chevy Tahoes, just no. There are only a "handful" of those here in Sweden, usually imported by those that (for some reason) likes American cars... :)
Most SUV's that are sold here in Sweden are from Europe/Asia. I guess that the main reason why there are so many new SUV's sold here is that a lot of people have accepted the American mantra that Bigger = Better, which isn't always the case.

Sweden has a large number of GM cars compared to other non-north/southamerican countries. In the 1940ies to the late 60ies GM cars made up a major part of the total number of vehicles. Police cars , ambulance and taxis were Chevrolet, Plymouth brands.

In the early 70ies due to the energy crisis GM sales dropped.

Nowadays the SUVs and pickups of GM can be seen both on rural roads and on city streets. I see a couple of them each time I go to town.

Other brands like KIA, Toyota, Nissan, Landrover and Volvo also compete about the SUV customers. But so they do also in North America. What about the SUV market in North America how many of the customers buy GM SUV's compared to other the brands ?

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/6448/nitro041.jpg
DODGE NITRO at the parking-house^^

http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/3200/rebound042.jpg
PT Crusier ^^, not a SUV but a popular GM car, it's a little bit old fashioned but it has a nice retro design. Service costs are high, parts are expensive and hard to come by.

1000city

February 20th, 2011, 04:39 PM

PT is not a GM-car, it's Chrysler :) My friend drives it as a taxi, quite unusual. Good looking car, but the quality is, hmm... not impressive ;)

Magnus Brage

February 20th, 2011, 05:39 PM

PT is not a GM-car, it's Chrysler :) My friend drives it as a taxi, quite unusual. Good looking car, but the quality is, hmm... not impressive ;)

Yes, The PT Cruiser is an old construction with some quality issues. But a -00 model for 2500€ (checked out the online-ads) you get an unusual car with retro-feeling. Ordinary people consider this an odd car, so you can really make a good deal if you want one, because demand is poor.

The only problem is shortage of used autoparts for this vehicle.

tvdxer

February 21st, 2011, 03:20 AM

Those difeerences between US, Europe and Japan can be funny sometimes. For You up there 5-meters 3,5 V6 car is a family car, an ordinary commuter. Why I made that 5-meters-assumption is that very few euro cars exceed this limit. Forementioned Q7 and GL-class, luxury saloons and coupes (MB S and CL, BMW 7, Audi A8, Jag XJ, VW Phaeton) and high-end exotics (RRs, Bentleys, Maybachs, Bristols etc.). I drive 5,5m/217in. long Renault Master panel van sometimes and find it hard to park and maneuver in city enviroment. I like american cars and SUVs with those massive bodies and engines, but they just don't fit here :) Fuel is just one of the issues, can be bypassed by LPG conversion in many countries.

That's an interesting observation.

My car is a 5.25m, V6, 3.8L 2001 Buick Park Avenue, which I bought with about 190,000 kms for $4,650:

http://i55.tinypic.com/24l7784.jpg

And yes, it's a large vehicle by even local standards. Gets decent gas mileage, though...about 19 mpg (12 l / 100 km) in the city and as much as 30-35 mpg (about 7 l / 100 km) on the highway, better than a LOT of much smaller cars (especially the highway figure).

I could get a full-size SUV here for about the same price, but didn't, because I don't like the way SUV's drive, and the fact that it would consume about 15-17 mpg (14 - 16 l / 100 km) on the highway and about 12 mpg (20 l / 100 km) in town.

poshbakerloo

February 21st, 2011, 04:54 PM

Where I live (Cheshire, ENG)
I see quite a lot of big cars, but not many very big ones like in the US...

I tend to see these quite a bit...

BMW X5
http://otoinspiration.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/17805-2009-BMW-X5.jpg
Mercedes M Class
http://www.ridelust.com/wp-content/uploads/mercedes_benz_m_class.jpg
Porsche-Cayenne
http://www.designercars.net/biler/Porsche-Cayenne-13.jpg
Range Rover
http://www.ibherdesign.com/range-rover/range-rover-sport.jpg

Magnus Brage

February 21st, 2011, 06:01 PM

That's an interesting observation.

My car is a 5.25m, V6, 3.8L 2001 Buick Park Avenue, which I bought with about 190,000 kms for $4,650:

http://i55.tinypic.com/24l7784.jpg

And yes, it's a large vehicle by even local standards. Gets decent gas mileage, though...about 19 mpg (12 l / 100 km) in the city and as much as 30-35 mpg (about 7 l / 100 km) on the highway, better than a LOT of much smaller cars (especially the highway figure).

I could get a full-size SUV here for about the same price, but didn't, because I don't like the way SUV's drive, and the fact that it would consume about 15-17 mpg (14 - 16 l / 100 km) on the highway and about 12 mpg (20 l / 100 km) in town.

That is so friggin annoying, this particular 2001 car you bought for $4,650:-

In Sweden this car would cost at least 10.000$ or even more, add to that x1,5 in fuel costs and additional x1,5 vehicle tax. This car is considered to be desirable wealthy man's car in my parts of the world.

I-275westcoastfl

February 23rd, 2011, 06:55 AM

It's funny because here small cars are more expensive and large cars are cheap.

You can. Ford Contour (shockingly mundane car of the 90s) was nearly identical, and more lately, the Ford Fusion is similar.
I meant this one.
http://carpictures.co.cc/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/ford-mondeo-new-2-big.jpg

Magnus Brage

February 23rd, 2011, 10:37 AM

It's funny because here small cars are more expensive and large cars are cheap.

I meant this one.
http://carpictures.co.cc/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/ford-mondeo-new-2-big.jpg

In the 90ies the design of the Contour and the Mystique markedly differed from the Mondeo, allthough it was the same badge-engineered car.

The same thing goes for the Ford Tempo/Sierra

What is it like today, are the differences less between those models now?

Was the Ford Tempo a major popular model or was it a less known model ?

In Sweden the Ford Sierra was quite popular model, but it quickly lost value as a used car. Already in the year 2000 you could buy a funcioning one for less than 800$. So it became a mangy car for people with the low income.

1000city

February 23rd, 2011, 07:49 PM

In the 90ies the design of the Contour and the Mystique markedly differed from the Mondeo, allthough it was the same badge-engineered car.[quote]

They didn't actually:

http://www.autopointer.com/docs/dealers/usedcardealers/goodbuyauto/1997_Ford_Contour_gba13_053007202430.jpg

http://www.ford-mondeo.za.pl/robocze/info/mk1/1.jpg

http://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/pictures/VEHICLE/2000/Ford/8336/2000.ford.contour.3733-396x249.jpg

http://www.fordclubpolska.org/images/galeria/ford_mondeo_mk2.jpg

Rear end differed mote, but still they looked very simillar. The major difference was, that Contours/Mystiques were made in USA/MEX, and they had worse quality than euro-built ones. At least that's the conclusion in Poland, where we had some grey import Contours.

[quote]The same thing goes for the Ford Tempo/Sierra

It doesn't actually :) Sierra and Tempo were completely different, the first was RWD, the latter FWD (both with AWD available). Based on CE14 platform Tempo was far relative of contemporary european Escort. They had our Sierras and Scorpios in USA known as Merkur XR4 and Mekrur Scorpio.

In Sweden the Ford Sierra was quite popular model, but it quickly lost value as a used car. Already in the year 2000 you could buy a funcioning one for less than 800$. So it became a mangy car for people with the low income.

That's typical for Ford, at least for older models (since they introduced Focus and MkIII Mondeo their reputation and quality increased). The same is now with Escorts, old Mondeos etc. I just saw '94 Mondeo estate for sale parked by local store. Looks good, no rust (plague of those), loaded with safety and power features, aircon, LPG conversion for lower fuel bills. 750EUR/1000USD negotiable. VW Passat of the same age and spec would cost twice that much. But it would also have much more life left in it.

Magnus Brage

February 23rd, 2011, 11:12 PM

Rear end differed mote, but still they looked very simillar. The major difference was, that Contours/Mystiques were made in USA/MEX, and they had worse quality than euro-built ones. At least that's the conclusion in Poland, where we had some grey import Contours.

Really could quality be even worse ? I know that common failures were leaking tank, worn out suspension, rust etc.

[QUOTE=1000city;73193409] I just saw '94 Mondeo estate for sale parked by local store. Looks good, no rust (plague of those), loaded with safety and power features, aircon, LPG conversion for lower fuel bills. 750EUR/1000USD negotiable. VW Passat of the same age and spec would cost twice that much. But it would also have much more life left in it.

I had a 1994 Mondeo Estate which I sold in 2006 for 1200€, Now I checked the auto register and it ended up at the scrapyard already in 2008.

So in Sweden 1994 Mondeos are not sold at any autodealer, you hardly see any 1994 Mondeos on the streets anymore. Mondeo II with the facelifted front newer than 1997 could be seen though.

750€ for a 1994 Mondeo is way to much, noone would buy that car in Sweden even if in mint condition with air cond. It's an icecold model.
500€ is a more suitable price. That also goes for the 90ies Scorpios.

You have to wait another 15 years so it becomes a vintage classic, then the demand will increase.

nerdly_dood

February 25th, 2011, 02:22 AM

I had a 1994 Mondeo Estate which I sold in 2006 for 1200€, Now I checked the auto register and it ended up at the scrapyard already in 2008.

So in Sweden 1994 Mondeos are not sold at any autodealer, you hardly see any 1994 Mondeos on the streets anymore. Mondeo II with the facelifted front newer than 1997 could be seen though.

750€ for a 1994 Mondeo is way to much, noone would buy that car in Sweden even if in mint condition with air cond. It's an icecold model.
500€ is a more suitable price. That also goes for the 90ies Scorpios.

You have to wait another 15 years so it becomes a vintage classic, then the demand will increase.

Older cars seem to be more common in the States (except in big cities and their suburbs). It's not uncommon to see a late-90s Ford Contour. Still, they have absolutely no personality and are shockingly mundane.

Svartmetall

February 25th, 2011, 02:24 AM

^^ Don't worry, it's quite common to see cars from the 1980's here! :lol:

Guaporense

February 25th, 2011, 02:33 AM

SUVs are way strange things. People having trucks to drive around? It is not rational, if you know what I mean.

Guaporense

February 25th, 2011, 02:37 AM

Now, that's a smart car to have:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Smart_Fortwo_II_Cabrio.JPG

Magnus Brage

February 25th, 2011, 12:09 PM

Older cars seem to be more common in the States (except in big cities and their suburbs). It's not uncommon to see a late-90s Ford Contour. Still, they have absolutely no personality and are shockingly mundane.

Japan is probably the country where you see most newest cars. In Japan a 5 year old car is considered to be retired for the roads already.

In Sweden the medium life span of a car is about 14-15 years, but it varies depending on car brand and location. North Sweden with high unemployment rate have lots of old vehicles. South has lower numbers of old cars.

For MB' s, medium years of use is probably up to 20 years. Ford Mondeo, Scorpio, KA has a lower medium lifespan closer to 10 years. So 1994 Ford Mondeo's are less seen on the roads. Actually I saw a pre 1997 Mondeo yesterday, but nowadays that's close to a sensation, at least where I live.

The average lifspan of a Rolls Royce is unlimited, the few vehicles at the scrapyard are wrecks because of severe traffic incident.

Luli Pop

February 25th, 2011, 05:57 PM

Korea is the country with the youngest car stock in the world since the early 90s, second Japan.

nagara373

February 26th, 2011, 03:51 PM

Cars in UK are smaller than in the rest because UK has higher fuel price than the rest and roads in UK have tighter curves than in the rest.

DanielFigFoz

February 27th, 2011, 02:34 AM

^^ Don't worry, it's quite common to see cars from the 1980's here! :lol:

Have you been to Portugal outside big cities? :lol:

JmB & Co.

March 1st, 2011, 09:25 PM

They are not popular in Argentina. Firstly, because of restrictions on imports that very few full-size suv's are sold here. Those restrictions increase the prices of this kind of vehicles manufactured outside the Mercosur.
For example, the least equipped Dodge Journey, it's USD 31,000 in Argentina, while in the US it's about USD 17,000.
Here, German sedans (bmw and MB) are very popular for the middle-high class.

nagara373

March 11th, 2011, 07:38 AM

Here, German sedans (bmw and MB) are very popular for the middle-high class.

No Russian cars in Argentina, too.

Ultramatic

March 11th, 2011, 08:35 AM

US-sized car on euro-sized street in Poland:

IS3iHAD83KE
Small dick - car: BIG!

What a strange thing to say. How do you know this?

arquitekto

June 8th, 2011, 02:58 PM

NO. Here in the Philippines we have:

Toyota Land Cruiser - (common)
Ford Expedition - (common)
Nissan Patrol - (common)
Chevrolet Suburban
Land Rover Range Rover
Lincoln Navigator
Dodge Durango
Nissan Armada
Cadillac Escalade - (i've seen only twice, mostly imported / gray market)

^^ In my country these vehicles are only for the richest (except Land Cruiser & Expedition)... Most people buy only a smaller or compact car that runs 13 to 17kms per liter...

More common SUV's are the crossovers & mid-size since they're more affordable by some of the middle class & mostly upper class people (Toyota Fortuner, Honda CRV, Ford Escape, Ford Everest, Mitsubishi Pajero, Mitsubishi Outlander, Mitsubishi Montero, Toyota Rav4, Hyundai Tucson, Hyundai SantaFe, Nissan Xtrail, Chevrolet Captiva, Mazda CX-7 & CX-9)

nagara373

August 12th, 2011, 01:55 PM

nerdly_dood

August 12th, 2011, 04:57 PM

Any cars more than 180" in UK are too big for UK because UK roads have tighter curves than the rest of the world.

Since when was a Range Rover not British?

...And who says they have to bother with staying on the road anyway?

thun

August 12th, 2011, 09:29 PM

Well, with chav rims like the ones in the pics you ARE bound to the road. ;)

I guess all over continental Europe the German SUVs and the Range Rover are the only ones the middle and upper class drives. American SUVs are too expensive (grey imports and individually adapted to European laws) and too bad quality-wise.

strandeed

August 13th, 2011, 11:08 PM

Any cars more than 180" in UK are too big for UK because UK roads have tighter curves than the rest of the world.

if that was the case than all the buses, trucks and vans that deliver our goods everyday must be one step away from becoming jammed in a hedgerow somewhere.

Agurv

August 17th, 2011, 11:55 PM

Alot of SUVs in Russia

Manila-X

August 18th, 2011, 06:25 AM

American SUV's are very common in The Philippines though they are now less popular compared to Japanese models such as Toyota or Isuzu due to the fact American SUVs used unleaded gasoline while Japanese ones use diesel.

MauricioP

August 18th, 2011, 08:02 PM

Any cars more than 180" in UK are too big for UK because UK roads have tighter curves than the rest of the world.Going off topic here, but why hasn't this guy been expelled yet and who should we talk to to get him out?

sotavento

August 31st, 2011, 12:40 PM

^^ Wow, you have Portuguese banks in Poland!

Actually Millenium is a Polish bank (owned by portuguese BCP)

The one that changed it's name was the portuguese counterpart (passed from Banco atlantico to millenium.bcp)

Back to SUV and such ... we here in portugal are more fond of pickup trucks than anything else.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2206/2279661051_f8bb6742f0.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2380/2280447088_607742888d.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2200/2279656961_001029ff99.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2271/2279657119_91fd2384a3.jpg

http://spa.fotolog.com/photo/10/45/81/_insane_/1194984561_f.jpg

M@rtoc

August 31st, 2011, 01:11 PM

In France the only full size SUV one can see in a daily basis that I can think of is the Nissan Navara:

http://images03.olx.fr/ui/4/52/21/63765121_1-Photos-de-NISSAN-NAVARA-BAR-LE-DUC.jpg

Huge things like the Tahoe are extremely rare and look quirky among the sea of little hatchbacks.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2380/2280447088_607742888d.jpg

This one looks weird!

strandeed

August 31st, 2011, 02:14 PM

not sure I would call a Navara fullsize...

The Titan is Nissan's fullsize truck and comes with a 5.6 litre V8 as standard

http://best-pickup-truck.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/2012-Nissan-Titan.jpg

Luli Pop

August 31st, 2011, 02:53 PM

Since when was a Range Rover not British?

...And who says they have to bother with staying on the road anyway?

Range Rover was launched in 1970, from 1995 to 2000 it was German (BMW), from 2000 to 2008 it was American (Ford), from 2008 on it's Indian (Tata).

Third generation is based on BMW X5 even though it was launched after BMW sold the brand.

DanielFigFoz

August 31st, 2011, 04:40 PM

Actually Millenium is a Polish bank (owned by portuguese BCP)

Wow, the BCP owns a Polish bank!

nerdly_dood

September 1st, 2011, 01:33 AM

Range Rover was launched in 1970, from 1995 to 2000 it was German (BMW), from 2000 to 2008 it was American (Ford), from 2008 on it's Indian (Tata).

Third generation is based on BMW X5 even though it was launched after BMW sold the brand.

Ownership of the manufacturer doesn't matter to me. It'd be like saying a new Chrysler is an Italian car.

That's not to say that I ignore badge engineering, I'm under no illusions that the Dodge Sprinter is in any way an American van.

KiwiRob

September 1st, 2011, 09:34 PM

Wow where do you start, three posts all complete garbage.

Large SUVs are not available in Iceland, Denmark, Norway and Sweden.

I live in Norway, about 10 minutes drive from my house is a car dealer that specialises in American SUV's, buy that I mean Rams, Escalades, Navigators, Excursions, Suburbans, Tahoes, Sequoias, you name it he'll get it for you.

Rural Norway is home to a lot of US market SUV's.

Cars in UK are smaller than in the rest because UK has higher fuel price than the rest and roads in UK have tighter curves than in the rest.

Which is also false, think about Range Rover, Discovery, Jaguar XJ, Bentley, Rolls Royce all make large cars, some of the biggest you can get, guess what they also sell a lot of them in the UK. If you think roads in the UK have tight curves try driving in the Alps or Norway.

Any cars more than 180" in UK are too big for UK because UK roads have tighter curves than the rest of the world.

Which is just not true, clearly sir you are ignorant.

Third generation (L332) is based on BMW X5 even though it was launched after BMW sold the brand.

Not true, the third generation used BMW engines and electronics (radio, navigation system, phone, electronic bus system) mainly from the E39 5 Series. The chassis and AWD system are all Land Rover and are not related to anything with a BMW badge.

sotavento

September 2nd, 2011, 12:25 AM

Wow, the BCP owns a Polish bank!

Millenium Bank > portuguese BCP
Biedronska stores > Jeronimo Martins
polish Highways > Ascendi/Mota-Engil

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NordikNerd

January 31st, 2012, 02:24 PM

Full size Chevy Suburban SUV You rarely see them. This SUV is very space-consuming.

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/1267/p1260391u.jpg
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/6489/p1260387.jpg
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/6033/p1260388.jpg

CarltonHill

January 31st, 2012, 10:48 PM

full-sized SUV's are also available in the Philippines for years...

just like the:

FORD EXPEDITION
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6104/6343689123_21fe38c774.jpg

CHEVROLET SUBURBAN
http://64.19.142.10/farm8.staticflickr.com/7144/6688403093_c80543cc76.jpg

NISSAN PATROL
http://64.19.142.13/farm8.staticflickr.com/7147/6650220771_3297406ebd.jpg_hyuncompressed

TOYOTA LAND CRUISER
http://images04.olx.com.ph/ui/11/56/08/1301219758_181424808_2-BRANDNEW-2011-TOYOTA-LAND-CRUISER-VXR-Pasig.jpg

MITSUBISHI PAJERO
http://images02.olx.com.ph/ui/11/49/48/1304436621_122734148_4-2011-All-new-mitsubishi-Pajero-BK-MY11-Vehicles.jpg

LAND ROVER RANGE ROVER
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3194/2394164543_be67917dc4_z.jpg

bayviews

February 1st, 2012, 01:35 AM

[B]

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2838/suburbannk1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/suburbannk1.jpg/1/w750.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img20/suburbannk1.jpg/1/)

Amazing how this long-lived thread outlasted most of the subjects!

nerdly_dood

February 1st, 2012, 06:47 PM

Amazing how this long-lived thread outlasted most of the subjects!

What do you mean? It's still available: http://www.chevrolet.com/suburban-suvs/

Blackraven

February 10th, 2012, 06:44 PM

IMHO

The Cadillac Escalade is crapshit. It's excessively heavy, bulky and interior looks rubbish. Heck, a Toyota Land Cruiser 200 or a Volvo XC90 or even a Land Rover can run circles around an Escalade and those are way better SUVs than the Escalade.

It's a shame because Cadillac makes superb products (like the CTS-V Sport Wagon) but this Escalade is just garbage. Then who drives these: Fake gangsters, hip-hop rappers, drug dealers or (god forbid) soccer moms.

ZERO SUBSTANCE

An Audi Q7 or Merc GL class are way better SUVs than shitty Escalade.

NM9hvhuwsEw

P.S.
It was the previous generation, but even with the current gen, the Escalade is still trash heap. IMHO, it's the worst General Motors vehicle of the 21st century.

Satyricon84

February 10th, 2012, 07:21 PM

M@rtoc

February 13th, 2012, 12:30 AM

nerdly_dood

February 13th, 2012, 08:15 PM

American cars like Dodge Rams or Chevy Tahoes are very rare here and feel quite out of place among the tiny hatchbacks that make up most of the cars. A least here the SUV owner had the decency to park it next to the 307 sw instead of the Clio. :D

You stupid foreigners don't even know what you're talking about! That's no SUV, that's a pickup truck. Pickups have an open box in back, SUVs have an interior cargo area. :nuts: Same deal with the Nissan Navara posted earlier, that's a pickup, not an SUV. (The same truck is sold in the States as the Nissan Frontier.)

Don't take it personally, I am not calling you stupid.An Audi Q7 or Merc GL class are way better SUVs than shitty Escalade. Can't beat a G-wagon! Classy as fuck.

M@rtoc

February 14th, 2012, 03:03 PM

Ok, my bad. Here we just say "4x4" for every 4WD vehicle, be it a SUV, a pickup or whatever, hence my confusion.

strandeed

February 14th, 2012, 04:07 PM

They have their uses and despite using more fuel than the average small hatchback, they last much longer as they are built for strength and durability.

Hence in that sense they are actually "greener"

ZevenZonden

March 5th, 2012, 01:48 PM

Nope, full-size SUVs are not that uncommon in Belgium and are increasing in numbers. Here in Belgium the most common are European & Japanese ones of course, but I also see quite a few Chevrolet Suburbans and a minority of other American SUVs on our roads. Same with pick-ups. A friend of mine drives a Ford F-150, a guy in my neighbourhood has a Lincoln Mark LT (& a Cadillac "something" + a Corvette), etc. The most common American pick-up truck I see is the Dodge Ram.

krkseg1ops

March 5th, 2012, 02:17 PM

Can't beat a G-wagon! Classy as fuck.

I have to agree with that. There is no better offroad car than an old G-class from Mercedes

Manila-X

March 5th, 2012, 03:44 PM

full-sized SUV's are also available in the Philippines for years...

just like the:

The ironic thing is some roads around Metro Manila are narrow to handle such vehicle.

The Ford Expedition is slowly losing it's popularity in The Philippines due to the fact it runs on unleaded gasoline which is more expensive compared to diesel.

The Toyota Fortuner is now the most popular of this type here.

http://www.sonirodban.com/images/fortuner-images/fortuner3.jpg

RobbieRotten

March 6th, 2012, 01:00 PM

In my humble opinion.... SUVs are american. All the rest is a bad imitation. If I have to choose between an Escalade and same level of European like VW Touareg, BMW X5, Audi Q7, Volvo XC90, Porsche Cayenne, Toyota Land Cruiser... I would buy an Escalade (Maybe I would be undecided between it and a Range Rover Vogue - the only non-american brand in my opinion which makes good SUV and offroad vehicles) . Surely there are better american SUV than Escalade (Dodge Durango for example, my favourite one since the first series), but I prefere a fake-gangster car than a "stressed and arrogant manager" car like the Q7 or Cayenne. Here in Milan and suburbs are full of these cars...an Escalade would be certainly different.

You're kidding, really you think the SUV's made in the US are as good as Touareg, X5, Q7, Cayenne, XC90 or LAnd Cruiser? I guess you've never driven something made in Europe or Japan back to back with a Tahoe, Escalade, Navigator. This is about the dumbest comment in the entire thread.

As for SUV's being American they are not, Land Rover built the first modern SUV, it was launched in 1970 as the Range Rover, all modern SUV's can be traced back to this vehicle.

If you go to locations where SUV's are actually used for their intended purposes, like Africa or the Australian outback it's Toyota Landcruiser's (especially the 70 series) and Nissan's Patrol which dominate the market, you will very rarely see anything American and only the odd Defender or Discovery.

Satyricon84

March 6th, 2012, 01:16 PM

You're kidding, really you think the SUV's made in the US are as good as Touareg, X5, Q7, Cayenne, XC90 or LAnd Cruiser? I guess you've never driven something made in Europe or Japan back to back with a Tahoe, Escalade, Navigator. This is about the dumbest comment in the entire thread.

And maybe you are the dumbest user of the thread cause you talk without to know the things....I live in Europe and those shit I see everyday (and driven too). Can't I have an opinion different of yours??? I have to like by force european SUVs?????

Satyricon84

March 6th, 2012, 01:18 PM

If you go to locations where SUV's are actually used for their intended purposes, like Africa or the Australian outback it's Toyota Landcruiser's (especially the 70 series) and Nissan's Patrol which dominate the market, you will very rarely see anything American and only the odd Defender or Discovery.

First is better you learn the difference between SUV and Offroad vehicle, than maybe you can speak.....

Galro

March 6th, 2012, 01:28 PM

As for SUV's being American they are not, Land Rover built the first modern SUV, it was launched in 1970 as the Range Rover, all modern SUV's can be traced back to this vehicle.

Chevrolet started producing the Suburban in 1933 and Jeep started the production of the Wagoneer in 1963.

tone_c

March 6th, 2012, 03:28 PM

Interesting thread, Satyricon I don't think you could call any of the US built SUV's you mentioned offroad vehicles, various Jeep model are the exception, the Landcruiser, Patrol and various Land Rover Range Rover products easily straddle the suv offroad genre.

Galro the first Surburbans were large station wagons built on light truck chassis, it's difficult to consider them suv's, they didn't come with four wheel drive.

My pick for the first SUV is the Jeep Cherokee. According to the transportation curator at the Henry Ford Museum, Robert Casey

the Jeep Cherokee (XJ) was the first true sport utility vehicle in the modern understanding of the term. Marketed to urban families as a substitute for a traditional car (and especially station wagons, which were still fairly popular at the time), the Chrerokee had four-wheel drive in a more manageable size (compared to the full-size Wagoneer), as well as a plush interior resembling a station wagon

Satyricon84

March 6th, 2012, 03:53 PM

Interesting thread, Satyricon I don't think you could call any of the US built SUV's you mentioned offroad vehicles, various Jeep model are the exception, the Landcruiser, Patrol and various Land Rover Range Rover products easily straddle the suv offroad genre.

Galro the first Surburbans were large station wagons built on light truck chassis, it's difficult to consider them suv's, they didn't come with four wheel drive.

My pick for the first SUV is the Jeep Cherokee. According to the transportation curator at the Henry Ford Museum, Robert Casey

Infact I dont call the offroad vehicles, SUVs are made mainly for paved roads, the chassis is different and they have permanent 4WD whereas offroad vehicles have mostly are rear-wheel drive with the possibility to put 4WD and reduced gears. Of course for a off-road vehicle I would chose a Land Rover Defender or Mitsubishi Pajero, but here we are speaking of SUVs, not offroad vehicles. I think many people don't know the difference, like the user who wrote before that just made a big confusion.
This video shows the difference from a properly SUV (BMW X6) and the Range Rover (SUV with offroad characteristics - last series. Previous series were very properly offroads). That's why I say you can't compare a Defender to a Suburban, they are two different categories

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Galro

March 6th, 2012, 03:56 PM

Galro the first Surburbans were large station wagons built on light truck chassis, it's difficult to consider them suv's, they didn't come with four wheel drive.

It may not have been a suv when it debuted in the '30s, but by the early '60s then it evolved into what I would call a SUV. Of course it was still a very crude construction but so were early Range Rovers and other early SUV-like vehicles.

I can't say I agree that the Cherokee were any more SUV than the earlier Wagoneer either.

tone_c

March 6th, 2012, 04:18 PM

This video shows the difference from a properly SUV (BMW X6) and the Range Rover (SUV with offroad characteristics - last series. Previous series were very properly offroads). That's why I say you can't compare a Defender to a Suburban, they are two different categories

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That video is full of half truths, Range Rover's are delivered on tyres with a decent enough tread for mild offroading, the X6 is delivered with performance road tyres, put the X6 on similar rubber and it would have climbed the hill. Ditto for the ice covered alpine road, any local owning an X6 in that area would have winter tyres and could have easily driven in those conditions.

You can't compare a Defender to a Surburban but you can compare the Surburban to a Discovery, the Discovery is a better drive on road, offroad there is no comparison.

Just for your information the L322 model Range Rover is the most competent offroader Range Rover have ever produced, it's better off road than the P38A model, the terrain response system is frankly amazing.

tone_c

March 6th, 2012, 04:24 PM

It may not have been a suv when it debuted in the '30s, but by the early '60s then it evolved into what I would call a SUV. Of course it was still a very crude construction but so were early Range Rovers and other early SUV-like vehicles.

I can't say I agree that the Cherokee were any more SUV than the earlier Wagoneer either.

What Robert Casey is saying and I agree with him is that the Cherokee was the first SUV with mass appeal, the vehicle which the average American family could use as a replacement for their family station wagon, it was comfortable, with a car like ride, rather than the crude light truck based vehicles before it, with car like interior comforts, easy to drive, all at a price point that was affordable.

Satyricon84

March 6th, 2012, 04:41 PM

That video is full of half truths, Range Rover's are delivered on tyres with a decent enough tread for mild offroading, the X6 is delivered with performance road tyres, put the X6 on similar rubber and it would have climbed the hill. Ditto for the ice covered alpine road, any local owning an X6 in that area would have winter tyres and could have easily driven in those conditions.

You can't compare a Defender to a Surburban but you can compare the Surburban to a Discovery, the Discovery is a better drive on road, offroad there is no comparison.

Just for your information the L322 model Range Rover is the most competent offroader Range Rover have ever produced, it's better off road than the P38A model, the terrain response system is frankly amazing.

Of course, cause Range Rover has characteristics of both, Suv and off-road vehicle, and can be used well either on paved roads or off-road. X6 is just a Suv with all characteristic of a normal car, just higher. Nobody forbid you to use a station wagon on off-road track, just is not made for it. So the BMW X6. Discovery was an off-road till the Discovery 3 (in past was one of the best off-road, used in extreme hard conditions like the Camel Trophy), now turned into a SUV but kept some off-road characteristic (like the Terrain Response System) that Suburban doesn't have cause it's a SUV only. Comparating Discovery to a Suburban in base of only paved road characteristic. in base of what you say it's better?
Land Rovers are, in my opinion, the best off-road vehicles. The Defender is strong as a rock, Discovery II was strong and egant too...