On the webcam it looks like most of the work is done at the podium part next to the main tower, but that was the plan, so it's going well here.

this is my favorite tower of this complex, yet it takes the longest to finally rise :ohno:

^^I KNOWW!!...Its always like that, the best gets pushed to last! Frustrating.

I love what they did to the top. It's not your typical box-type architecture.

Here it comes.

WTC 1 redesign! WTC 3 redesign! WTC 2 is my favorite building in USA! Do not touch it! Please . :madwife::madwife::madwife:
Without spire WTC 1, WTC 2 will be top building in this super cluster and I do not knew......I'm afraid not to reduce the height. :bash:

from this shot it looks like they are already on the second level in the podium part..

by Breaking All Rules (http://www.flickr.com/photos/stevesfujis2950/) on flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7050/6963669547_d4d2ef7bda_b.jpg

Looks like they starting to remove some of formwork

Impressive looking building.

Come on! Rise!

Yup... as I suspected they are removing all form work from a site

The southwest corner of the core is taller than the rest of the core. I find it odd that they're leaving it uneven.

And I read that they're suppose to remove the cover over the sidewalk soon. They just put that up, what, about three or four months ago?

The southwest corner of the core is taller than the rest of the core. I find it odd that they're leaving it uneven.

And I read that they're suppose to remove the cover over the sidewalk soon. They just put that up, what, about three or four months ago?

The WTC is a sea of temporary structures. They are always putting things up, only to remove them a short time later. Maddening.

this is my favorite tower of this complex, yet it takes the longest to finally rise :ohno:

Since WTC2 is Silverstein's favorite tower, it will definitely be built as soon as they find a tenant. If they had built this tower first, the final design and height of towers 3 and 4 would possibly have been compromised. So basically, this is a good thing, because we're certain that the entire WTC site will be built as it was meant too, although not as quickly as we would like to see it.

After WTC3's exterior trusses were removed and the building shortened, I think most people prefer WTC2 over all the rest.

That probably would be right.

This is my favorite building of the WTC complex. I can not wait to come to the tower top:)

and how about the photos?

From lowermanhattan.info:

*The following information was last updated on March 16, 2012.

Crane removal planned for the weekend of March 31-April 1
Setting steel columns, installing form work and rebar
Utilities installation
Receiving steel and concrete deliveries at Vesey Street inside fence
Crane active on site
2 WTC is expected to be complete to street level by late summer 2012.

Sad.

From lowermanhattan.info:



Sad.

Earlier than I thought. I wasn't expecting it till May or June.

Earlier than I thought. I wasn't expecting it till May or June.

Seemed early to me too, thought they might use it as they cap the structure, etc. Removal of the crane seems to remove that (perhaps foolish) fleeting hope that a last minute deal, tenants, something might keep this thing going skyward. Hope we don't have to wait too long - excited to see this one!

All signs point to a surge in new office jobs over the coming years, and there are still a ton of huge leases set to expire around the city. Just be patient people.

I thought this thing was going to 5 stories above street level before being capped - or was that just WTC 3?

This site has seemed to have a lot of visible progress recently.

I am not optemistic about this going up soon. Lots of new buildings coming on line - WTC 1 and 4, the one on 55th street, the east 57th street building that will start soon, the International Gem Center, etc. I think the new building on 42nd and 8th across from the bus terminal is still largely vacant.

I would think this one will be done between 5 and 10 years from now.

I thought this thing was going to 5 stories above street level before being capped - or was that just WTC 3?

This site has seemed to have a lot of visible progress recently.

I am not optemistic about this going up soon. Lots of new buildings coming on line - WTC 1 and 4, the one on 55th street, the east 57th street building that will start soon, the International Gem Center, etc. I think the new building on 42nd and 8th across from the bus terminal is still largely vacant.

I would think this one will be done between 5 and 10 years from now.

Just 3WTC is getting a podium. It still has two more floors to rise. T2 getting a podium was just a rumor.

I thought this thing was going to 5 stories above street level before being capped - or was that just WTC 3?

This site has seemed to have a lot of visible progress recently.

I am not optemistic about this going up soon. Lots of new buildings coming on line - WTC 1 and 4, the one on 55th street, the east 57th street building that will start soon, the International Gem Center, etc. I think the new building on 42nd and 8th across from the bus terminal is still largely vacant.

I would think this one will be done between 5 and 10 years from now.

What office building on 57th St?

The Port Authority is not actively shopping the upper office floors of 1 WTC because they want $100 a sf, 250 W 55th St is largely full, and the Gem Tower loses its tax breaks if less than 65% of it is leased to non diamond related businesses.

Plus, this building will likely need an anchor tenant of around 1M sf, which is literally not available anywhere in the city in a single building. So even if Morgan Stanley wanted to move into 250 W 55th, or that building on 42nd and 8th it couldn't because the buildings are just not big enough if they were empty, which they aren't.

What's slowing the WTC's leasing process down, is not a lack of demand, but a lot of supply, which are two different things. The Hudson Yards and Manhattan West have shown they're able and willing to offer lower rents than Silverstein can offer at the WTC. But this building along with 3 WTC, has massive trading floors that financial firms need, and aren't available at the Yards or Manhattan West. Also, almost 90% of Manhattan's commercial real estate predates 1970, so there's plenty of pent up demand, but there are just a lot of potential destinations for companies looking to move.

The list below has been floating around for a while, and doesn't reflect all the companies looking for space. I have a friend at Studley, and while these things are confidential she's told me this list isn't even close to being complete. Milbank needs new space, and a major move by UBS, Merril Lynch, and/or Societe Generale wouldn't be surprising. I don't mean to call you out in particular, I'm just a little more confident in this being leased I guess.

http://therealdeal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Comm_market_Report_top_10_tenants.jpgSource. (http://therealdeal.com/issues_articles/big-fish-scour-market-looking-for-office-space/)

Just 3WTC is getting a podium. It still has two more floors to rise. T2 getting a podium was just a rumor.

That sucks. Podiums seem to take a long time so even when they re-start this it will probably take a year before it gets into the rapid ascent phase that many of us like

What office building on 57th St?

The one on East 57th that is going where the old high school is being torn down.




What's slowing the WTC's leasing process down, is not a lack of demand, but a lot of supply, which are two different things.

I think that is what I was trying to say. There is a lot of supply coming on the market now. And I wasn't even thinking of Hudson Yards and the huge tower where the hotel Pennsylvannia is.

This stuff will all get built - eventually. But it may take 15 or 20 years just like the full Time Square build out did.

I like this; it's really elegant. I think I actually prefer it to 1WTC. Hopefully next time I visit New York, the whole complex will be finished. Will there be any viewing galleries in any of these buildings?

Joe Woolhead (March 12, 2012) on http://www.wtc.com/media/

http://www.wtc.com/utils/Download.aspx?file=/uploads/images/hi-res/14_59_20120312-2WTC---Credit-Joe-Woolhead---01.jpg

What exactly are the long spikes that look sort of like rivets popping out of the big steel I-beams? What will they attach to and why are they on the entire I-beam rather than just where it will attach to stuff?

^^ Probably rebar.

Will there be any viewing galleries in any of these buildings?

1 WTC will have the highest observation deck in the city. :)

^^ Probably rebar.

In other words, these beams will be encased in concrete? That would make sense.

In other words, these beams will be encased in concrete? That would make sense.

The first couple of south facing walls of 4WTC are built like that also.

From yesterday--steel peeking above ground!

Full update: http://newyorkyimby.blogspot.com/2012/03/construction-update-world-trade-center.html#more

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-O6VI612HAKI/T2wa9GaAASI/AAAAAAAAAHM/fwzlGlKJDg0/s1600/3225.jpg

A huge mobile crane has started disassembling the last tower crane :ohno:

Yeah, that's a shame, but we knew that it would happen.

9/11 will never be over until these buildings are finished.

Salt in the wounds.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4720/img0095jz.jpghttp://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/138/img0095jz.jpg/
I took this yesterday afternoon of the crane coming down.

Question: Won't there still be work on this building? It looks like they have a lot of half finished things and exposed steel. So won't they keep working to get it into a more appropriate condition for being idle?

I would think so but....

Question: Won't there still be work on this building? It looks like they have a lot of half finished things and exposed steel. So won't they keep working to get it into a more appropriate condition for being idle?

I would think so but....

Obviously. The site isn't safe the way it is right now. They'll probably be working on the area for the rest of the year tying up loose ends and such.

Question: Won't there still be work on this building? It looks like they have a lot of half finished things and exposed steel. So won't they keep working to get it into a more appropriate condition for being idle?

I would think so but....

Construction will continue through to the end of the year.

By GreenwichBoy,

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=15127&d=1333233144

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=15128&d=1333233148

By GreenwichBoy,

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=15127&d=1333233144

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=15128&d=1333233148

Bye bye cranes. See you back here again soon (I hope!):sad2:

So y r they taking the cranes down

They'll be back.

Can't say for sure when. Might be a couple years, might be 5 years, or even 10. But they will be back and this project will be completed.

On the bright side, when this starts rising the WTC 1 observation area should be open so there should be lots of great pictures documenting its rise. We'll never have to worry about the building going above where the web cams reach - we'll always have a birds eye view :-)

True, true.:)

Question: Won't there still be work on this building? It looks like they have a lot of half finished things and exposed steel. So won't they keep working to get it into a more appropriate condition for being idle?

I would think so but....

It should be finished out as a retail stump with the core fully enclosed. Unless Silverstein can bag some really big game on the leasing front, this one will be a "taxpayer" for years to come.

What happened?
Why cranes have been removed?
On hold? О_о"

What happened?
Why cranes have been removed?
On hold? О_о"

It will be soon...

The tower was expected to be put "on hold" long time ago because it doesn't have any tenants yet. They will restart construction when Silverstein get some leases sign in for this tower, same goes for Tower 3.

From PA's Monthly Newsletter
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/8486/2wtc.jpg

From March 29, 2012 Board Minutes (http://www.panynj.gov/corporate-information/pdf/special_ops_minutes_mar_29_2012.pdf)

WORLD TRADE CENTER STREETS, UTILITIES AND RELATED
INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAM – PHASE II, PACKAGE II – FINAL STREETS
AND SIDEWALK SURFACES, STREETSCAPE ELEMENTS AND OPEN
SPACES – TOWER 2 – AWARD OF CONTRACT

It was recommended that the Board authorize the Executive Director to award Contract
WTC-324.359.02, through construction manager Tishman Construction Corporation (Tishman),
to Paul J. Scariano, Inc., the lowest bidder pursuant to a publicly advertised/low-bid process, for
the installation of final streets and sidewalk surfaces, streetscape elements and open spaces
adjacent to Tower 2, along Vesey, Greenwich, Fulton and Church Streets, as part of Phase II of
the World Trade Center (WTC) Streets, Utilities and Related Infrastructure Program (WTC
Streets Program), at an estimated cost of $5,315,706, inclusive of net cost work and an eightpercent allowance for extra work.

At its meeting of October 22, 2009, the Board authorized Phase II of the WTC Streets
Program, which includes the final design and construction of street and sidewalk surface
finishes, trees, paving, bollards and streetscape furniture, at an estimated cost of $140 million,
including the provision of expert professional architectural and engineering services by
Downtown Streetscape Partners, in an estimated amount of $5 million. Via a related action at
that meeting, the Board also authorized the retention of Tishman to provide construction
management services to support the WTC Streets Program and other projects at the WTC site.
The scope of work for Contract WTC-324.359.02 supports the areas surrounding Tower
2, including Vesey, Greenwich, Fulton and Church Streets, and includes the installation of
concrete sidewalks, granite curbing, bollards, street lights, traffic signals, concrete foundations,
asphalt surfaces, trees and streetscape furniture on Church and Vesey Streets, interim asphalt
paving on Fulton Street, as well as the installation of utilities on Fulton and Greenwich Streets.
The pre-purchase of granite curb materials to be installed under the proposed contract was
authorized previously by the Board. The pre-purchase of bollard covers to be installed was
authorized previously by the Executive Director.

Pursuant to the foregoing report, the Committee on Operations, acting for and on behalf
of the Board pursuant to delegated authority, adopted the following resolution, with
Commissioners Bauer, Moerdler, Pocino, Rechler, Samson, Schuber and Steiner voting in favor;
Commissioner Sartor recused and did not participate in the consideration of, or vote on, this
item. General Counsel confirmed that sufficient affirmative votes were cast for the action to be
taken, a quorum of the Committee being present.

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/2152/scopeofwork2wtc.jpg

^^ Thanks for that info. Looks good.
It would be good to start with the public space around WTC2 and not wait for its completion.

$140 million! That's crazy. They might as well make the streets out of gold while there at it.

$140 million! That's crazy. They might as well make the streets out of gold while there at it.

I presume the 140m is for the whole remaining wtc construction area that needs streetscaping?! Just this 5.4m is for the area marked in red around WTC 2.

Though, that is what I presume it is, because otherwise it would be far to much for a few yards of stone, benches and a tree!:ohno:

I presume the 140m is for the whole remaining wtc construction area that needs streetscaping?! Just this 5.4m is for the area marked in red around WTC 2.

Though, that is what I presume it is, because otherwise it would be far to much for a few yards of stone, benches and a tree!:ohno:

Of course the 140m is for the entire WTC site. That's still a ton of money if you ask me. We're talking about sidewalks, bollards, tree planters, asphalt, benches, streetlights, etc. $140,000,000 for just that?

Of course the 140m is for the entire WTC site. That's still a ton of money if you ask me. We're talking about sidewalks, bollards, tree planters, asphalt, benches, streetlights, etc. $140,000,000 for just that?

Well, add here workers, probably a lot of them, machines, work hours and area which has to be done, it sounds a little bit more possible..But still a lot of money..

Of course the 140m is for the entire WTC site. That's still a ton of money if you ask me. We're talking about sidewalks, bollards, tree planters, asphalt, benches, streetlights, etc. $140,000,000 for just that?

Welcome to New York.

I just found out how much it cost to make a "dog run" (a fenced area in a park where dogs can run off leash). It consists of putting up 4 foot high chain link fencing, putting in a gravel base, and a couple park benches for seating. The total area covered is maybe a third of a foot ball field.

Cost? $600,000.

Nothing is cheap here.

It really looks pathetic, but hopefully they secure a tenant soon...

Two days ago & full update: http://newyorkyimby.blogspot.com/2012/04/construction-update-2-3-world-trade.html

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cU0j9XdkOb0/T4CR3Xs231I/AAAAAAAAAYg/YIhtVdQoFrk/s640/2012-04-05+18.20.22.jpg

I still think the footprint looks like a coffin.

The whole thing from the air (if it gets finished) will have the coffin shape

Manufacturing of the glass for the mockup at the shop.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/2660_55658949629_646644629_1421202_3786113_n.jpg https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/2660_55658954629_646644629_1421203_1789430_n.jpg

9 1/2" stainless steel fins that will protrude from the glass.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/2660_55658969629_646644629_1421206_517629_n.jpg https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/2660_55658974629_646644629_1421207_3210994_n.jpg

Mock-up
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/2660_55658944629_646644629_1421201_639667_n.jpg https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/2660_55658939629_646644629_1421200_7309668_n.jpg
All pics by Tommaso Fantoni (https://www.facebook.com/tommaso.fantoni)

Has anyone got any renders of T2 &T3 in their Stump formation? Just curious I guess

Awesome cladding!

It would really suck if they removed the fins to save money.

bump...

...so what exactly is going on? Construction halted to make way for the surrounding street/sidewalk area correct? Will construction commence once the street/sidewalks/surrounding areas are completed? ...or will it be halted until they find tenants?

bump...

...so what exactly is going on? Construction halted to make way for the surrounding street/sidewalk area correct? Will construction commence once the street/sidewalks/surrounding areas are completed? ...or will it be halted until they find tenants?

It has been said I hundred times in the this thread, the tower will not rise anymore until a specific number of sq-ft is leased. For now it wont rise anymore and the area around the tower will be finished.

It has been said I hundred times in the this thread, the tower will not rise anymore until a specific number of sq-ft is leased. For now it wont rise anymore and the area around the tower will be finished.

I think you're thinking of 3WTC. This tower isn't going to restart for several years at least IMO. Not till T4 and T3 are leased up. And by the looks of it, that's gonna be awhile.

^^ yup, the whole project with T2, T3, and T5 wont finish construction till 2020 at the earliest

Street level view of WTC 2 today April, 29:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7039/6980350638_67d82a3fe4_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/600west218/6980350638/)
pic 11 4 30 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/600west218/6980350638/) by 600West218 (http://www.flickr.com/people/600west218/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7271/7126437247_2aebfa03a0_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/600west218/7126437247/)
pic 12 4 30 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/600west218/7126437247/) by 600West218 (http://www.flickr.com/people/600west218/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7243/6980351448_0d985f49d3_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/600west218/6980351448/)
pic 13 4 30 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/600west218/6980351448/) by 600West218 (http://www.flickr.com/people/600west218/), on Flickr

^^ Greenwich St's gonna look awesome. Flanked by some of the most gorgeous supertalls in the world, the memorial plaza+pavilion and Calatrava's transit hub.. It's gonna be a hotspot :) !

Webcam video:

Favelle Favco M760D reinstallation from fixed position on the moving platform and the dismantling of Link-Belt TG2300.

kTtQh8NIS3Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTtQh8NIS3Q&feature=youtu.be

WTC Progress on Twitter (https://twitter.com/#!/wtcprogress)

https://p.twimg.com/AsUueg0CIAElsT7.jpg:large

https://p.twimg.com/AsUuQAtCIAASIVn.jpg:large

hmm Looks nice!, But are is the tower fully booked, with contracters and so?
And abit of topic. What are they building on the 130 Liberty Street site?

"Favelle Favco M760D reinstallation" means what exactly? That the cranes are back on the 2wtc and ready to rock and roll????

If, yes, then... wooot wooot!!!!

Uh, no.

Atm the plan is to first build 3WTC, and after it 2WTC. The only thing that could change that would be if a tenant said that he wants 2WTC and 2WTC only :cheers:

And abit of topic. What are they building on the 130 Liberty Street site?

The Vehicle Security Center, see this thread:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1458996

Webcam video:
Favelle Favco M760D reinstallation from fixed position on the moving platform and the dismantling of Link-Belt TG2300.


This is on the Transportation Hub Site, not related to 2 WTC..

Love this building, hope it gets built.

Webcam video:

Favelle Favco M760D reinstallation from fixed position on the moving platform and the dismantling of Link-Belt TG2300.

kTtQh8NIS3Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTtQh8NIS3Q&feature=youtu.be

/fixed

Apparently this is Silverstein's favourite building of the group.

^^ Then why is he building it as the last one?

^^ Then why is he building it as the last one?

He leaves it for dessert, probably :lol:

^^ Then why is he building it as the last one?

Because he doesn't want anybody to redesign it. He's waiting until the economy gets better to build it.

^^ It's his building, how can anybody redesign it if he himself doesn't want it redesigned?

Btw, neither 7WTC, nor 4WTC were redesigned.

This is my fav building too :P

^^ It's his building, how can anybody redesign it if he himself doesn't want it redesigned?

Btw, neither 7WTC, nor 4WTC were redesigned.

Both of them received several redesigns, though in a smaller scale and all occuring before construction iniciated, Four's height increasement (+30') is perhaps the biggest modification.

^^ Well, I hope 2WTC will receive a height increase too :cheers:

Including the antenna, is it as tall as the former North Tower or is it a few feet short?

^^ By roof it is 387 meters, by spire/pinnacle it is 411 meters, North Tower was 417 meters, South Tower was 415 meters :cheers:

Hopefully they will add two or three more floors! :okay:

2WTC is my favorite out of the bunch, i hope this one will face no redesign (unless it is upwards of course haha)

I become more and more interested in this tower, I almost like it more than 1WTC because the redesigns.

Hopefully they will add two or three more floors! :okay:

Hopefully they'll land a major tenant first. Much more important right now.

yeah.... make it a little taller to match the height of the 1WTC... that'd be soo awesome... we will have our TWIN Towers back!!! albeit not exactly identical, but identical in height, that would be good enough and look like Twin's... the new and improved futuristic Twins!

More like four different towers, instead of two.

I already liked it more than 1wtc by far.

yeah.... make it a little taller to match the height of the 1WTC... that'd be soo awesome... we will have our TWIN Towers back!!! albeit not exactly identical, but identical in height, that would be good enough and look like Twin's... the new and improved futuristic Twins!

I 1000% agree with you. 2WTC should be as tall by roof as 1WTC :cheers:

i always thought of 2WTC having a similar height but a slice of from being a box building and this slice always looked like it represented that scar that the building's history carries on, i always loved to look at it like that and that may be one reason its my favorite project in new york right now

Yes! Same as roof height..or better yet, same as top floor height :D

F-it yo! Make it a MEGA-tall Silverstein... we all know you want to ;)

Making it and changing it to a 2100' design would work well and be super simple with this design too.. as the building just goes perfectly straight vertically upwards anyways, with its' "special/unique" feature on the very top with its' "slant"... just add more floors and about 700' and we will all be very very happy.

...or at least make the roof/architectural taller than Willis'/Sears' 1450!!! Sheesh! This is pathetic... it's only 100 more feet!

...it's friggin New York, modern age 2012 New York no less!!! C'mon architects...what are you guys thinking??!!:ohno:

new York isn't going to go Dubai all of a sudden with unneeded heights. Plus that'd be WAY too expensive.

Oh God... food dude are you 8 ? Was 3 messages neccesary to get across the ridiculousness of what you just wrote ?

No, I'm not 8...I'm 9 ;)

Well..of course 2000 is impossible; I just like being optimistic and kinda kid around it lol..

...BUT, 1455 is totally possible! And you know it! 100 more feet, that's it! And it'll be truly the tallest in the USA and west-hemi. They supposedly added 50' to the 4WTC without many peoples knowledge, and Easily... so I am sure 100' more on the 2WTC is very very plausible or possible.

No, I'm not 8...I'm 9 ;)

Well..of course 2000 is impossible; I just like being optimistic and kinda kid around it lol..

...BUT, 1455 is totally possible! And you know it! 100 more feet, that's it! And it'll be truly the tallest in the USA and west-hemi. They supposedly added 50' to the 4WTC without many peoples knowledge, and Easily... so I am sure 100' more on the 2WTC is very very plausible or possible.

And it'll be truly the tallest in the USA and west-hemi

Why do you care so much about this ?

Why do you care so much about this ?

Why do you ask so many questions?

Why are you so pessimistic?

Both of them received several redesigns, though in a smaller scale and all occuring before construction iniciated, Four's height increasement (+30') is perhaps the biggest modification.

Add 100' to the 2WTC please and beat Willis/Sears tower :cheers:

Why do you ask so many questions?

Why are you so pessimistic?

Are you 12, mentally challenged, or both?

Why can't you grasp the fact that "just adding some more floors" or "adding a spire" to this building or that building would always cost *millions* of more dollars, now in a bad economy to begin with, and could possibly negatively affect the structural integrity of said buildings?

No, I'm not 8...I'm 9 ;)

Well..of course 2000 is impossible; I just like being optimistic and kinda kid around it lol..

...BUT, 1455 is totally possible! And you know it! 100 more feet, that's it! And it'll be truly the tallest in the USA and west-hemi. They supposedly added 50' to the 4WTC without many peoples knowledge, and Easily... so I am sure 100' more on the 2WTC is very very plausible or possible.

Look at the top of this tower. Exactly how would it be "easy" to add 100 feet to the top and maintain the design and proportions?

Look at the top of this tower. Exactly how would it be "easy" to add 100 feet to the top and maintain the design and proportions?

He seems to have a lack of logical reasoning. First off, why would they make 2 WTC taller then 1 WTC ? Second, why would they add 100 feet to a building that already is having trouble getting tenants ? Third, why is he so obsessed with passing the Sears Tower ?

He doesn't realize that America builds off of economic need, not bragging rights.

F-it yo! Make it a MEGA-tall Silverstein... we all know you want to ;)

Making it and changing it to a 2100' design would work well and be super simple with this design too.. as the building just goes perfectly straight vertically upwards anyways, with its' "special/unique" feature on the very top with its' "slant"... just add more floors and about 700' and we will all be very very happy.

This is not possible. The foundations have been already made and they were made to support a 387 meter building. Adding a bit of height is possible but not much. In the case of the Shanghai WFC they added 32 meters to make it 492 meters which was already pushing the foundations to the limits. Adding 250 meters is plain and simply impossible :ohno:

The height increase I hope for is that they put glass on that tripod spire and make it therefore a part of the building and countable in roof height. Then they could add 2 floors with 10 meters so that the building ends to be 421 meters tall. That would still be within possible limits :cheers:

He seems to have a lack of logical reasoning. First off, why would they make 2 WTC taller then 1 WTC ? Second, why would they add 100 feet to a building that already is having trouble getting tenants ? Third, why is he so obsessed with passing the Sears Tower ?

He doesn't realize that America builds off of economic need, not bragging rights.
That's going a bit far. It is possible to add 100 feet of architectural height. This is true from both an engineering perspective and financial perspective. I'm not saying it should or will be done, but it is possible. Also, attacking someone personally and asking if they are young, is ironically a juvenile debating tactic.

As for America building for need and not bragging rights. That is obviously not true. We aren't in the mega tall race, but the tall buildings we build are still for bragging rights. Claiming otherwise is a sour grapes denial. If we werent building ar least partially for prestige, there would be no need for this tower. It would be cheaper to build wider and multiple skyscrapers or high rises. This is true even in the density of NYC.

This is not possible. The foundations have been already made and they were made to support a 387 meter building. Adding a bit of height is possible but not much. In the case of the Shanghai WFC they added 32 meters to make it 492 meters which was already pushing the foundations to the limits. Adding 250 meters is plain and simply impossible :ohno:

The height increase I hope for is that they put glass on that tripod spire and make it therefore a part of the building and countable in roof height. Then they could add 2 floors with 10 meters so that the building ends to be 421 meters tall. That would still be within possible limits :cheers:

Oh shit somebody learn something lol. I remember why you wanted this to be a mega tall lol.

That's going a bit far. It is possible to add 100 feet of architectural height. This is true from both an engineering perspective and financial perspective. I'm not saying it should or will be done, but it is possible. Also, attacking someone personally and asking if they are young, is ironically a juvenile debating tactic.

As for America building for need and not bragging rights. That is obviously not true. We aren't in the mega tall race, but the tall buildings we build are still for bragging rights. Claiming otherwise is a sour grapes denial. If we werent building ar least partially for prestige, there would be no need for this tower. It would be cheaper to build wider and multiple skyscrapers or high rises. This is true even in the density of NYC.

Agree. if we were only building for need, all of our buildings would look the same.

I 1000% agree with you. 2WTC should be as tall by roof as 1WTC :cheers:

Absolutely agree with that.

2wtc should be little more taller, 411 meters is a good height but I would unfortunatly see the tower as the 387 meters. Why not just add and make the actually roof/floors up to 400-415 meters and than the pinnacle that would have been sweet and 2wtc deserves it:banana:.

The building itself is much more impressive than 1wtc if you see to the architectural. This is a more uniqe building around the world than 1wtc.

lol wow could start in December, that's great.

Oh shit somebody learn something lol. I remember why you wanted this to be a mega tall lol.

Wrong, I never said I want 2WTC to be a megatall, I only said that I want a megatall on the site of 5WTC :cheers:

Still nothing!

Full update: http://newyorkyimby.blogspot.com/2012/05/construction-update-2-3-world-trade.html#more

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wvIpkCYdDhs/T66xOiEGP6I/AAAAAAAABFY/ZBSf_f6OqUE/s640/2012-05-10+15.42.21.jpg

And there won't be anything for a while...

MEGATALL ALL OVER NEW YORK CITY:banana::banana:

2WTC like the others is part of a masterplan that states that 1 should be the tallest and the others increasingly lower in such a way that it spirals down.
I have yet to hear any sensible argument to break that concept and build a (mega)tall that wont be leased in the first place.

Building a megatall on those foundations is impossible cause they are built to house a 387/327 meter building :ohno:

I wonder if it's even possible to build a megatall on reclaimed land?

Again, it seems highly doubtful at this point whether 2wtc will ever be more than a few stories in height..There has to be guaranteed tenants..I think a strategic mistake was made in planning not to make 2WTC a twin of 1WTC, that way the two could have had a symbiotic relationship as the twins had, this way, 2WTC is on its own. I personally don't care for the design of 2WTC at all, as I've made clear in other posts, but I do think building something on the site is probably better than nothing. It may just be several more years, after 1WTC proves what a cash cow it will be in terms of tourism and attractiveness.

^^ I 1000% agree with you. New Twin Towers would have been by far the best option :cheers:

Again, it seems highly doubtful at this point whether 2wtc will ever be more than a few stories in height..There has to be guaranteed tenants..I think a strategic mistake was made in planning not to make 2WTC a twin of 1WTC, that way the two could have had a symbiotic relationship as the twins had, this way, 2WTC is on its own. I personally don't care for the design of 2WTC at all, as I've made clear in other posts, but I do think building something on the site is probably better than nothing. It may just be several more years, after 1WTC proves what a cash cow it will be in terms of tourism and attractiveness.

2 WTC is being put on the backburner because Silvertein does not want the thing to be value engineered into a hunk of junk, and I'm fine with that. The foundations are there - it will be built in the next decade.

^^ Isn't that a bit pessimistic? In my opinion it'll take maximally like 4 years for 2WTC to get truly under construction :dunno:

I loved the twin towers II design but the double 'freedom tower' just looks bad. I'm still glad they chose 4 beautiful towers to rise, anyway.

4 towers is indeed better than none. I too LOVED Twin Towers II (one of the few sensible ideas Donald Trump ever advocated) and I wish they had done that but it was not to be..So we just have to accept what we have. Again it is just a question of money and tenants, we already have 7 WTC, and soon 4WTC and the star attraction, 1WTC.....2WTC & 3WTC are still uncertain..After the original Twins were built, it was almost a decade before the surrounding complex & World Financial Center was built, so it may be several years before we see 2WTC & 3WTC, but if 1WTC does extremely well along with the Transportation Hub & Memorial, maybe things will be speeded along more.

It surely won't take as long to build as the WFC, because the WFC required reclaiming some land from the river, which was difficult. Also, the fact that the foundation is there and ready to go will speed up the wait.

i don't care if it takes longer to build it, aslong it is going to be built. it is my favorite out of the complex by far.

^^ Isn't that a bit pessimistic? In my opinion it'll take maximally like 4 years for 2WTC to get truly under construction :dunno:

I think it's just anyones guess, as there is no certainty about tenants at all.

Foundations are there, and it's above street level. It will be built.

I am just curious to see the various ways they are going to destroy aesthetically this building as well, when a tenant is found and construction of the actual tower starts...

^^ Who knows, maybe they'll do the exact opposite and make the building better (taller with floors going up to the tripod tip) :dunno:

^^ Who knows, maybe they'll do the exact opposite and make the building better (taller with floors going up to the tripod tip) :dunno:

It would be so awesome to have a single office on the very top of the top diamond,

^^ If I would be Larry I would make a penthouse for myself there :cheers:

Than you need a ladder, because i'ts so small. And Larry isn't that young anymore.:)

Wow, I just realized he's in his early 80s!

Than you need a ladder, because i'ts so small. And Larry isn't that young anymore.:)

A round staircase would be enough. Besides, old people need exercise to stay fit and healthy :carrot:

http://www.hallgate-timber.co.uk/Genius_020%20-%20folder/foto02.jpg

Why are we THAT off topic again? Can you guys please stay on topic? Its frustrating.

Well... Actually they're talking about 2WTC again, huh. ;)


But indeed, please refrain from offtopic talk in here. Thou ontopic talk might be rather hard considering the status of this project... :|

^^ Isn't that a bit pessimistic? In my opinion it'll take maximally like 4 years for 2WTC to get truly under construction :dunno:

I meant it will hopefully be completed and open within a decade.

^^ Well, maybe, though I think it will be finished sooner, maybe 2017 or 2018 :dunno:

Stop the lame guessing... Seriously.

Stop the lame guessing... Seriously.

Yeah, this is one that is best to just wait, and see what happens. This building might end up being just a stump.

The 1st tower's taller and more important than the 2nd but the 2nd's more beautiful than the 1st.

I loved the twin towers II design but the double 'freedom tower' just looks bad. I'm still glad they chose 4 beautiful towers to rise, anyway.

I would agree with that if:

1. The 1wtc would actually be 1776 feet roof/ceiling tall

2. The 4 skyscrapers would be all over 1000 feet tall minimum.

I hope, if it even gets built, that they give 2WTC a flat roof. The slanted thing is just hideous to me. But I agree, they should have done two 1776 feet towers, by roof height, at least that would have been pushing the envelope a bit more....But at least we are getting something.

It'll become an instant landmark.

2 wtc has become my new favorite building since the you know what fiasco.

I hope, if it even gets built, that they give 2WTC a flat roof. The slanted thing is just hideous to me. But I agree, they should have done two 1776 feet towers, by roof height, at least that would have been pushing the envelope a bit more....But at least we are getting something.

I love the slanted roof, it was designed by the great Norman Foster.

Foster seems to like diamonds in his work, like 2wtc, Hearst Tower and 30 St Mary Axe

I designed an identical tower to this for the CNN WTC design contest except mine had 5 extra towers. Basically 'rubics cube' columns sliced diagonally.

The WTC 2 with 30 meters more...would be impressive

Why not make 2wtc 1350 feet = 411 meters roof height, or 419 meters as the 1wtc. It shouldn't be so much more to pay, specially know when they save money with the antenna instead of the spire issue

Why not make 2wtc 1350 feet = 411 meters roof height, or 419 meters as the 1wtc. It shouldn't be so much more to pay, specially know when they save money with the antenna instead of the spire issue

The PA isn't paying for 2WTC. Silverstein is.

Silverstein is either going to make it at least 1455' roof height, to make it taller than the Willis... or is going to make it 2000', so it'll be the first USA/West-Hemi megatall.

^^ The foundations aren't strong enough to handle 2000'.

^^ The foundations aren't strong enough to handle 2000'.

We dont know that for certain. Afterall, its bedrock.

I don't understand why people want to change this building; it's absolutely perfect as it is and we should be lucky if they don't make it cheaper looking than it is.

It's all about the height.

I think it is unsure at this point whether 2wtc will be any higher than a few stories due to finding tenants, etc...I think it will be lucky to be built as intended in the renderings. But I definately don't see 2wtc ever being built higher than 1wtc. It just wouldn't look right in its current design...If they gave it a flat roof, maybe..But not with that slanted roof.

Silverstein is either going to make it at least 1455' roof height, to make it taller than the Willis... or is going to make it 2000', so it'll be the first USA/West-Hemi megatall.

Everything in this sentence is completely made up.

If you object to my assessment, then please provide sources to your claim that Silverstein will in fact increase the height of tower 2, and completely throw off the master plan that calls for tower 1 being the tallest, then tower 2 being slightly shorter than 1, then tower 3 being slightly shorter than 2, and 4 being slightly shorter than 3.

Yeah I agree there is no way they would totally scrap the basic master plan and make 2WTC the tallest. I think the slant in the building's roof is supposed to somehow reflect light some way onto the memorial footprints of the towers (correct me if I'm wrong) so I doubt they'd make 2wtc taller than its neighbor. 1WTC is meant to be the flagship of the complex height-wise.

Don't we have enough flat roofs?

1WTC is meant to be the flagship of the complex height-wise.

It was also meant to be 1776 and obviously that didn't work, and since they already broke the site plan, it would be cool to make tower 2 at least the same height as tower 1 roofwise, I think taller it would make the complex look strange.

Silverstein needs to get tenants though before even thinking about adding floors, which obviously will likely not happen anyway.

Yeah I agree there is no way they would totally scrap the basic master plan and make 2WTC the tallest. I think the slant in the building's roof is supposed to somehow reflect light some way onto the memorial footprints of the towers (correct me if I'm wrong) so I doubt they'd make 2wtc taller than its neighbor. 1WTC is meant to be the flagship of the complex height-wise.

You do realize that the "MASTER PLAN" has all but been thrown out the roof now? And 1 WTC is being run by Durst and the Port Authority. 2 WTC is Silverstein - if he wants to make a statement with 2 WTC and try to steal 1 WTC's thunder then more power to him. I doubt they could add anything more than a floor or two, though.

LOL @ someone referring to the master plan...

The Master plan included the spire to 1776 feet so clearly it's not that reliable, however the foundations are set for 2 and 3.

At Uaarkson, yes it has been going on alittle to far hasn't it.
And at Tommy, if your speaking of the list of Diagrams for each cities on SSP, that only applies to the number of made diagrams of the buildings in each city, that doesn't account for every single building in the city, http://www.ctbuh.org/HighRiseInfo/TallestDatabase/50TallestAgglomerations/tabid/1006/language/en-GB/Default.aspx.

Anyways can we just please get on topic, and actually talk about the building itself, and not height changes, which apparently every thread for a building in New York has been taken over by...

Anyways can we just please get on topic, and actually talk about the building itself, and not height changes

Thank you, I was trying to show him why NYC should care about great architecture, and not height. The only reason I see to build tall is to stand out, but 400 meters is definitely tall enough. This is such a great building architecturally, i hope that the demand is there so they can build this.

Let the guy imagine, heh?

So there's some sort of blackish grey tarp or paint(or something?) on the floor of 2WTC recently... anybody know what it is and what it's for?

they are just waiting for tenants to build this right ? I love the design, and hope the demand is there to build it.

Will they stick to the plan or shorten it like they did to the wtc3?

^^ Who knows, the continuation of the construction of this tower is still far in the future :dunno:

Will they stick to the plan or shorten it like they did to the wtc3?

IIRC, this is Larry's favorite of the towers, and he refuses to build anything then what is currently planned here.

^^ I hope he stays that way! I've never cared too much for tower 3 anyway...

Yes lets hope that Tower 2 will look as it is planned to look like.

How is the construction plans going with this project?

Silverstein is either going to make it at least 1455' roof height, to make it taller than the Willis... or is going to make it 2000', so it'll be the first USA/West-Hemi megatall.

2000' will never be approved at this location because of close proximity of airports so don't count on it.

It is good to see this description of WTC 2 still remains on Silverstein's website:

"2 World Trade Center

A sparkling glazed crystalline form and diamond-shaped summit will create a bold addition to the New York skyline. Designed by Foster and Partners, the 88-story 2 World Trade Center will be the second-tallest skyscraper in New York City. Located east of the proposed performing arts center and north of the WTC Transportation Hub, 2 WTC will rise to 1,349 feet and be topped by an 80-foot antenna."

http://www.wtc.com/about/office-towers

Bugs

Joe Woolhead (http://www.joewoolhead.com/home/blog/)

http://www.joewoolhead.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/DSC_9718-430x650.jpg

Joe Woolhead (http://www.joewoolhead.com/home/blog/)

http://www.joewoolhead.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/DSC_9718-430x650.jpg

So, there's construction workers actually on it...I guess they're continuing building it?? ..a little perhaps til they find tenants, then they'll go "all out" and full blast?

Of course workers are still on site! They're preparing everything to deliver a stump.

Rendering found on wtc.com (http://www.wtc.com/media/videos/2%20WTC%20Architect%20Norman%20Foster), by dbox

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg163/scaled.php?server=163&filename=undefiniedstudio.jpg&res=landing

So, there's construction workers actually on it...I guess they're continuing building it?? ..a little perhaps til they find tenants, then they'll go "all out" and full blast?

Its april photos ! http://www.joewoolhead.com/home/2012/05/23/site-photos-april-2012/
And what is happening at the site now ?

It is good to see this description of WTC 2 still remains on Silverstein's website:

"2 World Trade Center

A sparkling glazed crystalline form and diamond-shaped summit will create a bold addition to the New York skyline. Designed by Foster and Partners, the 88-story 2 World Trade Center will be the second-tallest skyscraper in New York City. Located east of the proposed performing arts center and north of the WTC Transportation Hub, 2 WTC will rise to 1,349 feet and be topped by an 80-foot antenna."

http://www.wtc.com/about/office-towers

Bugs

Actually, 2 World Trade Center will be the third tallest tower in New York City.
Here is the list of current towers under construction:

One World Trade Center: 541.3 m
432 Park Avenue: 420.3 m
Two World Trade Center: 411.6 m
I love NY
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432 is 426 meters at least so far.

This b*tch is driving me crazy.

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9200/2wtcwiredlines.jpg

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/1262/2wtcwiredlines1.jpg

^^Wow !! http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/BigSmile.gif
Incredible!

This building I think will rule the skyline more then 1wtc. This is a more unique building in so many ways. Not the same height or as tall as 1wtc but just look at it.
I have never seen a skyscraper shaped like this. I like this building the most over the other wtc buildings.

This b*tch is driving me crazy.

I could only imagine...but we all appreciate your efforts!:cheers:

This building I think will rule the skyline more then 1wtc. This is a more unique building in so many ways. Not the same height or as tall as 1wtc but just look at it.
I have never seen a skyscraper shaped like this. I like this building the most over the other wtc buildings.

Imagine if this was taller than One WTC.
Just imagine how incredible that would look -- it would certainly make a statement on the skyline.

I further predict that this will be one of the most photographed towers in the city for many years to come! http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/BigSmile.gif

This building I think will rule the skyline more then 1wtc. This is a more unique building in so many ways. Not the same height or as tall as 1wtc but just look at it.
I have never seen a skyscraper shaped like this. I like this building the most over the other wtc buildings.

Ever see the smurfit-stone building in Chicago? it too has a slanted roof, and it is an Chicagoan landmark. Yet it's REALLY short! Imagine how awesome the massive 2wtc with the diamond roof will look!

Ever see the smurfit-stone building in Chicago? it too has a slanted roof, and it is an Chicagoan landmark. Yet it's REALLY short! Imagine how awesome the massive 2wtc with the diamond roof will look!

Yes, I know exactly which iconic tower in Chicago you are referencing!
That tower design proves that it's not about height, but design! http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/BigSmile.gif

I also agree with you -- just imagine the level of excitement when Tower 2 is built!
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Everyone will be smiling!

If it was taller, the angle of the diamonds would increase, since the planes point to the footprint of the original twins.

2 World Trade Center Design http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/BigSmile.gif
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I hope they never, ever, ever take the metal facade fins out of the final design for budget cuts. It would ruin the tower for me and it'll no longer look anything like the twins facade anymore.

Imagine if this was taller than One WTC.
Just imagine how incredible that would look -- it would certainly make a statement on the skyline.

I further predict that this will be one of the most photographed towers in the city for many years to come! http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/BigSmile.gif

I agree I want this building taller, absolutely. In the same height as 1wtc or higher. I don't see all the fuss over 1wtc. Yes this building will probably be the most photographed building in N.Y, when it's completed.
I am more eager to see this building rise than 1wtc. I have never liked 1wtc, very unpersonal building. This building is the right opposite.

I will take more pictures of this building then 1wtc.

New concrete being poured today! Maybe a new floor is coming soon?

Is there any progress? The last update was in April.
On hold ?

New concrete being poured today! Maybe a new floor is coming soon?

They removed the cranes, so this isn't going higher for now. They're probably just getting the site ready for its slumber.

Concrete on deck was poured in the trading floor area. The sidewalk shed along Vesey St. is also being dismantled.

When will this building be completed? 2015 or rather 2020?

When will this building be completed? 2015 or rather 2020?

It's all dependent on whether or not tenants are found. It might take at least 2 years to build the tower itself, but until there are tenants, it won't be built. Since the economy is gradually getting better, I'd say the chances of finding a tenant are increasing.

Key word - gradually. Seems like this past week the economy is gradually getting worse.

Could someone please give me pictures of the new facade design that they will use for 2WTC because im working on making a model of 2WTC but dont have the recent cladding design photos.

^^ What? They redesigned it?!

No but it was gonna look like the one on the left, and now it will look like the one on the right like this:

http://i.imgur.com/qQbok.png

Its mostly the bottom chat has changed. ^^

The facade is pretty similar to 1WTC and 4WTC. The revised design scrapped both the standard intermediate spandrels located every 2 floors and the bigger intermediate spandrels every 5 floors. The glass surfaces are now completely flat and smooth, with 1' stainless steel vertical fins potruding the facade, these were added to link Tower One's simple facade with Tower Three's exposed structure.

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2726/26605565891962964664462.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7092/7284560290_60e6d98299_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62018165@N04/7284560290/)
Tower 2 and 3 | World Trade Center (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62018165@N04/7284560290/) by Otie O'Daniel (http://www.flickr.com/people/62018165@N04/), on Flickr

Im sorry. But if you could please msg me images or post them here thatd be great.
Not sure if this helps at all, but...
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Okay so you guys think if i do this would be ok?

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Nice:yes:

They should resume this building right away! I love the unique design! Can't wait to see this climbing its way up the lower manhattan skyline!

It is a shame though that the tower portion may never come to fruition unless a company commits to moving they're offices into the building.

The towers will be built, that's a certainty. it's just a matter of time.

I know, but who would likely be a major tennant of this tower?

Let's just hope some CEO likes skyscrapers as much as we do and moves into this building :)

The towers will be built, that's a certainty. it's just a matter of time.

Don't spread false information. As much as I love 2 WTC, there is a chance that it won't get built. It is a 3 billion dollar building, and it will only get built if there is major market demand

I hate to be pesimistic, but Classicrock is right. Look at what happened to the MetLife North Building in NYC :cry:

Wrong. The tower will be built, to it's full height as planned. Whether it happens in 3 years or 20 years is the question. When, not if. The tower WILL be built. NY lost a large amount of office space on 9/11 and this tower is to help replenish that lost space.

I hate to be pesimistic, but Classicrock is right. Look at what happened to the MetLife North Building in NYC :cry:

That building what is there now can still hold a supertall, so...:happy:

the site is too valuable, if this design isn't built here, a new supertall design will be in the future

Wrong. The tower will be built, to it's full height as planned. Whether it happens in 3 years or 20 years is the question. When, not if. The tower WILL be built. NY lost a large amount of office space on 9/11 and this tower is to help replenish that lost space.

Finally some sense. Everyone needs to relax, and put the NYC commercial market in perspective.

Almost 90% of Manhattan's commercial real estate predates 1970, and New York's premier commercial corridor, Park Ave, has an average building age of 68 years old. There is plenty of natural, cyclical demand for new space.

The problem is A) this is in Lower Manhattan which doesn't have the mass transit that Midtown has which makes Lower Manhattan less desirable, B) there's an election in November so the countries general direction in regard to taxes, health care liabilities for the foreseeable future are up in the air, C) there's a lot of other office buildings planned for Manhattan so there's competition among developers so they're all trying to court the same 30-40 companies.

It was reported a couple of days ago that Brookfield who's building Manhattan West is talking to a handful of potential tenants who are all looking at between 500,000 and 2 million square feet each. And at the end of last year the CEO of Related who is building the Hudson Yards said in an interview he was talking to between 8 and 12 companies who are all looking at at least 1 million square feet. Plus, Time Warner which has 4 million square feet of office space in Manhattan will decide by the end of the year which new development it will call home.

Again, the demand is there, but with Manhattan West, the WTC, the Hudson Yards, 15 Penn, Girasole, One Hudson Yards, Sherwood Equities HY tower, companies have a lot of options in regard to new office space.

This'll be built. Anyone who says otherwise is either lying or has no understanding of the NY commercial real estate market.

If they ever change the roof-diamond design, I'll have no reason to visit the WTC. I'm just glad Silverstein's making sure that won't happen!

If they ever change the roof-diamond design, I'll have no reason to visit the WTC. I'm just glad Silverstein's making sure that won't happen!

I agree. The diamond design is what made this building unique.

From the EarthCam, it looks as though a mobile crane is removing the metal cover from the core....good sign?

http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/worldtradecenter/

From the EarthCam, it looks as though a mobile crane is removing the metal cover from the core....good sign?

http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/worldtradecenter/

No. This isn't going ahead till T3 and T4 fill up substantially. Maybe in a few years. But right now there just getting the site in shape for when it goes completely on hold.

This will look amazing!

Sorry if this has been asked so many times, but i dont fell like reading 100 pages of the forums. Anyway my question is WHY did they stop construction on 2WTC? And if they ever resume construction will it still be the same design?

The design will stay the same. The main reason for stopping is probably the lack of tenants.

^^^they're still looking for tenets... Funding issues. I'm not sure about the design, but hope it stays roughly the same

^^^they're still looking for tenets... Funding issues.


Yeah, the building is just going on hold. I'm glad to see the 3WTC finally going up, hopefully the same will happen with 2WTC soon too. It could be months, maybe a couple of years until this one starts jumping levels, though. Who knows.



I'm not sure about the design, but hope it stays roughly the same


+1 on that..

^^ WTC3 will go on hold at 7 floors or so. Same reason.

I hope 2 wtc does not have a design change. The best design of the new wtc imo.

2WTC will not get a design change. Silverstein has claimed that this is his favorite building of the new complex and it will only be built as it is being planned.

One of the best projects in NYC!

2WTC will not get a design change. Silverstein has claimed that this is his favorite building of the new complex and it will only be built as it is being planned.

regardless, with the current structure and foundations in place, is is not possible to make significant changes (except for height perhaps).

regardless, with the current structure and foundations in place, is is not possible to make significant changes (except for height perhaps).

Actually the worst redesign I can imagine is the removal of the unique metal fins in the facade which would break my heart if they removed them.

I just got back from spending a week in NYC. My favorite uncle, who put me up, lives only a few blocks away across the street from the new Beekman Tower.

Anyway, I spent some time observing the construction site at the World Trade Center. It seemed to me that there was some kind of activity going on a WTC2. No, I'm not confusing it with WTC3 or WTC4. Maybe no actual building going on ... but ... some kind of construction activity nonetheless.

The best design of the new wtc imo.

Totally.

Can't wait til they figure out the tenant situation. This is going to look great in the skyline.

I just got back from spending a week in NYC. My favorite uncle, who put me up, lives only a few blocks away across the street from the new Beekman Tower.

Anyway, I spent some time observing the construction site at the World Trade Center. It seemed to me that there was some kind of activity going on a WTC2. No, I'm not confusing it with WTC3 or WTC4. Maybe no actual building going on ... but ... some kind of construction activity nonetheless.

It's as spectre has said, all their work there is just finishing the underground levels and preparation for 2WTC's nap :yawn::goodnight

there are so many things i dislike about this entire project. it would be wonderful if they pulled this design. it's a really nice design but, for me, it doesn't fit. it stands in opposition or defiance to tower1. the best thing that could happen here, which probably won't, is that a much taller building with a redesign be placed there.

Although this tower is shorter than the 1st tower but it's great.

regardless, with the current structure and foundations in place, is is not possible to make significant changes (except for height perhaps).

but the height is perfect for that design, so i really hope they won't change anything here

^^ Agreed.

^^ The height is a humiliation the way it is. They should make the roof height be at least 416 meters, preferably at least 418 meters (to beat the Twins) :cheers:

Why not do it as tall as the 1wtc tower, whats the problem

^^I think it's as tall as the old WTC.
I don't think they wanted it to overshadow the current 1WTC, so they made it shorter. A shame, because I think it's the best design out of all four buildings.

I don't think it's the best, but maybe that's just me.