Address: 187 Adelaide Tce, EAST PERTH
Developers: Finbar/Ventrade Australia Pty Ltd

* Concept design only.

http://www.finbar.com.au/Investor_Relations/Asx_Announcement/2008/10-11-08-0.pdf

http://www.west-oz.com/abc_concept.jpg

Finally we come to a very exciting new opportunity for the company.
In September we announced a joint venture which will see us partner with the land
owner of the former home of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. Everyone in this
room from Perth will be familiar with the 1.28 hectare site which is located opposite
Langley Park with the large satellite dish out the front. It has a 75 metre frontage to both
Terrace Road and Adelaide Terrace. If you look at this photograph you can see it is
nestled between the Westralian, Reflections, and Fairlanes projects.
It is a large site, in a premium location, and is one that provides us with several options
in respect of development proposals. The redevelopment would likely consist of [Slide
71] a residential tower on the Terrace Road frontage that will take up roughly 60% of the
site and designed to take advantage of the fantastic views available from this location,
and a mixed use development to be integrated into the buildings that have heritage
significance on the Adelaide Terrace frontage.
To fully utilise the potential of the site we must seek a minor town planning scheme
amendment and a favorable development approval. This process can take over 12
months to achieve.
As mentioned, this is a joint venture development opportunity for the company. The
basic terms of the joint venture are the land owner purchased the land for $37.58 million.
Finbar will commit $17.5 million in working capital to be injected as and when the first
costs are incurred for the design and development of the building. The balance of funds
required to complete the development will come from a stand alone construction facility
as is the case with all of our projects.
It is a significant project, one which has bolstered our project pipeline for five to six
years, and one with a JV structure that allows the company to leverage heavily off our
development expertise.
Finbar will share equally in any joint venture profit and stand to make management fees
for the project.
In spite of the economic climate we believe the acquisition and JV of this site at this time
to be good timing due to the limited competition during the acquisition process. There
will be no debt on the property during this initial development process so our JV partners
and Finbar can choose the most appropriate time to bring the product to the market
without outside pressures.

http://www.finbar.com.au/Investor_Relations/Asx_Announcement/2008/10-11-08-01.pdf


from what i can read of it, looks like:

21 floor mixed us tower to the north
34 floor resi to the south/centre.
4 floor buildings fronting terrace road.

wow this site has been doing nothing for so so long

nice work.

Wtf is with all the little buildings. I want a monolith on such a huge site dammit!

thats fairly decent for east perth

Interesting floor plate for the first floor... all curvey. Could bode well for a unique exterior design instead of the usual white box.

Whos the developer of the ABC site again?

This is a finbar concept, does anyone know if they have actually bought it?
I wasn't sure it had sold. What is the heritage building? I thought it was all crap built in the 50's with even worse 60's and 70's additions that is one of the reasons ABC moved, plus the site is huge and prime real estate.

yes finbar have officially bought the site.

:dance2: WA Business News

Finbar signs JV for former ABC site

15-September-08

South Perth-based property developer Finbar Group Ltd has signed a joint venture agreement with the subsidiary of a Singapore-based company to redevelop the former ABC studios site on Adelaide Terrace.

Under the deal, Ventrade Australia Pty Ltd will buy the 1.3 hectare site from the ABC for $37.6 million, while Finbar will act as developer and contribute one half of the land value (about $19 million) as working capital.

The companies will receive an equal share of development profit, with the project's value expected to be more than $450 million at completion.

I think its an ok mix of uses for the site, would have liked to see something around the 40 level range but 34 is very nice. Hope there will be some interaction with terrace road.

i agree... this is a rather large site and to plonk a 20 level building would be a joke... if they did it would have tracts of lawn and a real suburban feel to it...

this needs to be an (here we go again!) iconic structure in east perth...

I dont see any indication of 34 lv sf.

Finbar have 750 apartments uc or planned in the city of perth. This could take that number to over 1000.

im quite sure the apartment type E says 34x, i have a hgher res version on my pc, its a bit blurred in the image above.

This is a finbar concept, does anyone know if they have actually bought it?
I wasn't sure it had sold. What is the heritage building? I thought it was all crap built in the 50's with even worse 60's and 70's additions that is one of the reasons ABC moved, plus the site is huge and prime real estate.

Heritage is not just granted to pre-war architecture.

the place was the first complete broadcasting complex built for the Australian Broadcasting Commission, and was the first time in Australia that studios for radio and television broadcasting and recording, and sound recording, were developed on one site at the same time;

the place exhibits the simplicity of line and form typical of the Post-War International style, demonstrating the modernist ideals in architecture at the time of its construction, and is a good and highly intact example of the style in Western Australia;

the Basil Kirke Studio is the largest sound studio of its type and acoustic quality in Western Australia, and it exhibits the modernist principles of the time of its construction in the honest and unmasked use of materials, and simplicity of presentation, in features such as the brick patterning and timber panelling;

the place is associated with renown Western Australian artist Robert Juniper, who was commissioned by the Australian Broadcasting Commission to create the broadcasting-themed mural at the entrance, the first such commission by the Australian Broadcasting Commission; the Robert Juniper mural is a rare remaining example of a commissioned piece of post-World War II public art retained in situ;

Someone could talk up just about any building with the right combination of words. Ultimately I think it's a pretty dull piece of architecture. There are way better examples of that style of architecture in suburbia.

I wonder if they're keeping the building to save the Juniper mural.

the basil kirke studio is an amazing example of modernist architecture... i'd be upset if the building was lost... but i will admit the building doesn't look like much from the front.

FYI from the Interim entry onto the register of heritage places

STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE
ABC Sound Broadcasting and Television Studios, Perth, a complex of broadcasting and recording studios and associated administration facilities, primarily in the Post-War International style, has cultural heritage significance for the following reasons:

the place was the first complete broadcasting complex built for the Australian Broadcasting Commission, and was the first time in Australia
that studios for radio and television broadcasting and recording, and sound recording, were developed on one site at the same time;
the place exhibits the simplicity of line and form typical of the Post-War International style, demonstrating the modernist ideals in architecture at the time of its construction, and is a good and highly intact example of the style in Western Australia;

the Basil Kirke Studio is the largest sound studio of its type and acoustic quality in Western Australia, and it exhibits the modernist principles of the time of its construction in the honest and unmasked use of materials, and
simplicity of presentation, in features such as the brick patterning and timber panelling;

the place is associated with renown Western Australian artist Robert Juniper, who was commissioned by the Australian Broadcasting Commission to create the broadcasting-themed mural at the entrance, the first such commission by the Australian Broadcasting Commission;

the Robert Juniper mural is a rare remaining example of a commissioned piece of post-World War II public art retained in situ;

the place is associated with Hungarian-born sculptor, Andor Maszaros;

the place is associated with the West Australian Symphony Orchestra (WASO) which used the Basil Kirke Studio for rehearsals, recordings, broadcasts and concerts until it was relocated to the Perth Concert Hall,
and continued to use ABC Sound Broadcasting and Television Studios Perth for administration purposes until 2004;

the place is associated with several West Australian broadcasting identities. In particular it is associated with Basil Kirke, who was manager of the Australian Broadcasting Commission in Western Australia from 1932-36 and 1952-1958, and who was instrumental in the establishment of ABC Sound Broadcasting and Television Studios, Perth; and,

the place is the public face of the Australian Broadcasting Commission in Western Australia from its construction in 1960 until it was superseded by a new facility in 2005. It was constructed at the same time the medium of television came to Western Australia, ushering in the beginning of a new era of communication, and rendering previous facilities used by the ABC obsolete.

Okay I understand that there may be a significant heritage building in there unfortunately I have not been inside my judgement has been on what can be seen from Terrace rd and Adelaide tce which are ugly cobbled together buildings.

From what I can see above the heritage section is mostly behind the street frontage on the eastern side of the site. I will have to have a look down the lane. If finbar can integrate such a building could be a good asset.

btw I don't think 50's and 60's buildings aren't worth heritage listing but many post war building were built on the cheap and are poorly constructed or of little merit. Some are even deceptive in that they have facades of earlier styles but little else.

I think its appropriate that part of the ABC studios is preserved. Evaluating heritage simply in terms of the value or otherwise of architecture is too narrow. The studios were a key part of cultural life in Western Australia over the past half century and if the Basil Kirke studios can be retained for the use of WASO it will be a definite ongoing benefit to the inner city.

btw I don't think 50's and 60's buildings aren't worth heritage listing but many post war building were built on the cheap and are poorly constructed or of little merit. Some are even deceptive in that they have facades of earlier styles but little else.

I think thats the mentality that was far to prevalent in the 60's, 70's and into the 80's. Im not all that familiar with the actual building, and it may not be worth keeping, but to say that buildings constructed in the 1950's and 1960's arent worth keeping is a little rich.

You never know, we might end up listing buildings like the Medina on Barrack St in the future....

You cant really do 'facadism' style with modernist 1960's architecture can you?

I think its appropriate that part of the ABC studios is preserved. Evaluating heritage simply in terms of the value or otherwise of architecture is too narrow. The studios were a key part of cultural life in Western Australia over the past half century and if the Basil Kirke studios can be retained for the use of WASO it will be a definite ongoing benefit to the inner city.

Its the PEC all over again!

You never know, we might end up listing buildings like the Medina on Barrack St in the future....

good lord i hope that never happens!

Just out of curosity, and hope.... :lol:
Will they be removing the transmitter tower any time in the next few months, since there is a proposed development here now? Or does it go once ABC is fully relocated elsewhere?

ABC is fully relocated it moved to a new studio in East Perth a couple of years ago the old build is empty. The even built a modern, though much smaller transmitter tower on the new building. I think they were going to use the old one for a while but it would require an upgrade for digital so it has very little usefulness now.

i got a few shots of the new building, once that didnt make the cut for my high standard pic posts.

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/8251/img6498of4.jpg

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/3231/img6499ga9.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/1121/img6500jr7.jpg

^^ thanks WAuzzie, cool they have their own coffee shop in their own building? :lol: extra income....

I'm not sure the Australian Government owns and/or operates caffissimo.

but they'll gladly take the rent!

Is... Is that a criticism? The government should offer free rent for businesses who probably make a killing from their employees? Guh?

Is there any news on this
?

Someone could talk up just about any building with the right combination of words. Ultimately I think it's a pretty dull piece of architecture. There are way better examples of that style of architecture in suburbia.

I wonder if they're keeping the building to save the Juniper mural.

Okay I understand that there may be a significant heritage building in there unfortunately I have not been inside my judgement has been on what can be seen from Terrace rd and Adelaide tce which are ugly cobbled together buildings.

From what I can see above the heritage section is mostly behind the street frontage on the eastern side of the site. I will have to have a look down the lane. If finbar can integrate such a building could be a good asset.

btw I don't think 50's and 60's buildings aren't worth heritage listing but many post war building were built on the cheap and are poorly constructed or of little merit. Some are even deceptive in that they have facades of earlier styles but little else.

Gotta say I agree with these comments wholeheartedly. The whole shambles looks like a dog's breakfast, particularly the Terrace St frontage and that transmission tower is the biggest blight on the whole foreshore IMO. I was absolutely livid when they put this on the permanent heritage register although I must admit, having read that Statement of Significance I can appreciate why a little more.

Having said all that, looking at Finbar proposal it looks like it's only the buildings to the North that are heritage listed and they seem to be integrated into the plan pretty well. It looks like the cobbled-together structures to the South are to be removed altogether which will be great. A couple of good sized towers - one office and one resi - would be a pretty efficient use of the site. And I like that Finbar are pushing ahead with the planning of this despite the economic downturn - good forward thinking on their part.

I just hope that damn transmission tower will go.

approx height if the ABC south tower was 37st (although i just realised the concept was for only 34st) in red

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/9351/p1030672copy.jpg

Preliminary DA submitted

Terrace Road- 3st frontage, 38lv 112m tower set back from the site with 250 apartments, 25lv mixed use building fronting adl terrace with 150 apts.

Our friends at the design/advisory committee said this-

That the Design Advisory Committee, having considered the design
concept submitted in support of a scheme amendment request to alter
the plot ratio provisions applying to the former ABC site at 187 - 193
(Lot 123) Adelaide Terrace, East Perth, does not support the proposed
Scheme Amendment on the basis that the proposal would give rise to
the potential for excessive building height and scale in the context of the
Terrace Road Design Guidelines, and significant overshadowing of
Langley Park as indicated by the concept plans that include a 38 level
residential tower containing 258 multiple dwellings on the southern
portion of the site.

^^ Grrr.

^^ Hardly would be friends if they are thinking of disproving the development due to "height being exceeded", the potential of over shaddowing Langley Park.. :bash:

how potential? surely some shade won't hurt the green grass... it could protect it from global warming of more heated sunny days to come :)

People like shade! thats why theres a shit load of trees along the forsure!
people dont sit in the sun all day
plus i hardly even see people on langely park!

A design advisory committee concerned about possible overshadowing of a piece of grass that no one uses?

Hahahaha... *sigh*

lol!

I would say that i am surprised but im not ...

how sad is that! :lol:

Jesus the only time I ever used that sorrry piece of grass, I was the only one on it!! Who cares if its overshadowed?? Its a freakin city.

Oh wow. That's just fucking retarded.

They might be able to bypass the council and go straight to the WAPC. I'll have to check on that one.

under the current guidelines, the maximum amount of dwellings they're allowed even with a 20% bonus is 120. Height on terrace road can not exceed 80m (formerly 50m however development like Reflections and Altaire have created precedent)

Where is She-Ra Scaffidi and why isn't she rolling her lovely eyes?

Save the cows, Save the curtains.... now save the grass???


Welcome to Perth baby!

Yes! Another victory for CBD Grass Lovers world-wide.

(we are a small but influential clandestine organisation)

very very very very poor.

seriously.

:S

this is tha kind of shit that makes perth laughable.

oh tha precious grass.

very disappointing.

LIke Ive said in other post, Perth has hieght phobia- its funny coz eons ago they tried to build to the sky when they couldnt hmn

some1 write to lisa, has can overrule this pathetic committee

some1 write to lisa, has can overrule this pathetic committee

hahahahaha.... of course she can goran..of course she can.

Who is on this committee? they all should be sacked and Lisa should replace them with some people from ssc :lol: esp the ones who have vision, unlike the ones currently on the committee.... :bash:

hahahahaha.... of course she can goran..of course she can.

she can ..
a lord mayor can over rule the council .. unless this committee inst part of the cop ?

dunno just forget i said anything i dunno whats going on here.

hang on a minute. I haven't read the pdf but isn't this the advice of the design committee? and the council still has to vote on it? and they can ignore their advice? Before people jump on Lisa to do this and that shouldn't we wait until the council cast their vote?

anyway just ignore me if my info is incorrect.

I think the main problem is that a design committee can recommend against a development because grass no one ever uses is shadowed. It's ludicrous that the very strip of grass they're trying to protect could prevent the population density required to make it useful on an ongoing basis. :P

edit: I wrote a review of Langley Park on google maps. You should check it out. :P

hang on a minute. I haven't read the pdf but isn't this the advice of the design committee? and the council still has to vote on it? and they can ignore their advice? Before people jump on Lisa to do this and that shouldn't we wait until the council cast their vote?

anyway just ignore me if my info is incorrect.

ignoring Gorans comments...

Yes its only the committee adivce. The council is yet to vote. I am sure someone can inform us when it should be on the agenda.

I doubt the council will vote any different to the committee. Does anyone have a link to the council staffs report?

edit: I wrote a review of Langley Park on google maps. You should check it out. :P

lawl.

and significant overshadowing of
Langley Park

Honestly, how stupid. If we're not going to have tall buildings there of all places, then where? Instead of overshadowing dry grass should we shadow our inner suburbs?

I have something to rant about langley park
Where aloud to... Land planes on it, dig it up for cirque du soleil, have festivals on there, use to have rally australia and probably alot more but when it comes for over shadowing it a little where not aloud to.

confusing:bash:

I have something to rant about langley park
Where aloud to... Land planes on it, dig it up for cirque du soleil, have festivals on there, use to have rally australia and probably alot more but when it comes for over shadowing it a little where not aloud to.

confusing:bash:

Actually quite a good and justified rant. They would argue that the shadowing is permanent - but it is only over a small part of it. And I can't see why shadowing in winter is bad, yet it isn't considered good in summer. Any shade in the heat of summer should be worth some browny points (extra levels), shouldn't it?

But shadowing isnt permanent in any given spot :) The shadow moves throughout the day. Same as the circus comes and goes, so does the shadow.

another stringent restriction on this site is the open space provision of 60% for the entire site. Finbar have proposed 50%.

How the hell are we going to achieve a large population base in the city with such bs requirements?

But shadowing isnt permanent in any given spot :) The shadow moves throughout the day. Same as the circus comes and goes, so does the shadow.

The rules are there has to be so many hours (not sure of the number off the top of my head-it'll be in the CoP recommendations) light on the shortest day of the year. So it effects the south side of a building more.

Which is ridiculous considering that the entire grass stretch along the foreshore is on the south side of the skyline :@

i'd support this ridiculous restriction if langley park was packed with beautifully designed garden/ urban landscaping with an abundance of public facilities...

but it's not, so i'd like to officially invite any member of committee to stand in front of me and tell me tha rationale for this recommendation without me hissing in their face and telling them that they're full of shit.

let's all turn up at the next council meeting and demand an explanation. (unless of course they end up approving it)

let's all turn up at the next council meeting and demand an explanation. (unless of course they end up approving it)

I don't think we'd be allowed in for fear of overshadowing the carpet.

^^ Classic Ryan! Well observed and the funniest thing i've read all day (although it is only 9.15am)

Why haven't we seen renders of this one yet? Have I missed something?

I don't think we'd be allowed in for fear of overshadowing the carpet.

Attach a torch to your leg facing down, then when they ask why you have it there you can explain what it's for.

Attach a torch to your leg facing down, then when they ask why you have it there you can explain what it's for.

What so they can find their brains?

another stringent restriction on this site is the open space provision of 60% for the entire site. Finbar have proposed 50%.

How the hell are we going to achieve a large population base in the city with such bs requirements?

Why 60% Dilaz? That seems incredibly high compared to the level of public open space in surrounding, similar sized developments.

Considering the restrictions on OS provisions and the height restrictions, it would seem that Finbar paid to much for this site.

What so they can find their brains?

:rofl:
Seriously why do you attach a torch to your leg? I guess that's the reason ^^

scaled back to 83m and 245 apartments. DA committee still dont approve.

http://www.perth.wa.gov.au/documentdb/1338.pdf

sorry, i got it wrong. Heres the new plan

It was therefore recommended that the Design Advisory Committee considers the
modified design proposal for a 28 level residential tower with 265 apartments on
Terrace Road and a 34 level residential tower with 284 apartments and
refurbishment of existing heritage buildings on Adelaide Terrace to support a scheme
amendment request at 187 - 193 (Lot 123) Adelaide Terrace, East Perth.

how tall would 34 levels roughly be dilaz? how many levels is elevation?

about the same size as elevation which is 29lv but higher floors and a high foyer.

83m is one floor higher than refelctions.

cool thanks

scaled back to 83m and 245 apartments. DA committee still dont approve.

http://www.perth.wa.gov.au/documentdb/1338.pdf

cheers for that dilaz, i was wondering when they would release the Design committee minutes,

so we are looking at a tower of 83m with 28floors on Terrace Road. That seems like rather small floor clearance on each level. i mean normally you would be looking at atleast 3.2m, but that is less than 3m, maybe it is to try and squash the shadowing fears. which maybe could lead to the adelaide tce building having big foyer (considering the heritage building is there) and have larger floor clearances to give more floors a river view over the shorter building, etc. so maybe if we are lucky the adelaide tce building could reach 120m? please say yes...

still a poor outcome in my opinion. the Hardy gang wins the day

yeah if the the 34lv resi sits above the abc bldg it will be around 120m.

83/28 is 2.9m floor to foor. Theres no way they can go that low. The standard is 3.3m so in reality is should be around 95m.

It was therefore recommended that the Design Advisory Committee considers the
modified design proposal for a 28 level residential tower with 265 apartments on
Terrace Road and a 34 level residential tower with 284 apartments and
refurbishment of existing heritage buildings on Adelaide Terrace to support a scheme
amendment request at 187 - 193 (Lot 123) Adelaide Terrace, East Perth.

yeah if the the 34lv resi sits above the abc bldg it will be around 120m.

83/28 is 2.9m floor to foor. Theres no way they can go that low. The standard is 3.3m so in reality is should be around 95m.

well perhaps the terrace road tower will be the cheaper tower which fits more people on and is lower grade (hence the smaller roof clearances and more apartments per floor) and the Adelaide Tce tower will be the more high status building and considering the residents would pay more for their apartments the roof clearance would be much greater.

34lv > 284 apartments = 8.35apartments per floor
28lv > 265 apartments = 9.46

and also given the fact that this is about the highest point along adelaide tce, and the significant height difference between adelaide tce and terrace road, the north tower could look some 50-60m taller than the southern tower, which would look more like reflections, which is next door.

i really hope the north tower turns out tall :D

well perhaps the terrace road tower will be the cheaper tower which fits more people on and is lower grade (hence the smaller roof clearances and more apartments per floor) and the Adelaide Tce tower will be the more high status building and considering the residents would pay more for their apartments the roof clearance would be much greater.


no chance. terrace road would have better views and is on a quieter st. i would bet my left nut that that there is no way the terrace road building would be a budget/affordable one. if u look at finbar, their most expensive towers are all on terrace road. westralian, reflections, even altair which is a bit more budget but still more expensive than the standard finbar product.

which is why i so doubt what i said, and it is more a hope than a prediction. but what else would explain why it is so short... and can give faith of the taller tower to be big.

i have no answer to that. i know someone in finbar, ill see if i can get in touch.

TBH I really can't see any 'affordable' apts being built in the CBD anytime soon. I think we need to shit our focus from hoping for cheap units to trying to get rich. ;)

TBH I really can't see any 'affordable' apts being built in the CBD anytime soon. I think we need to shit our focus from hoping for cheap units to trying to get rich. ;)

what about this one?

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7311/image004b.jpg

We'll see if it's more than a marketing campaign or not (I'm just viewing within the context of other famous words like 'iconic', 'world class' etc). Proof in the pud though

TBH I really can't see any 'affordable' apts being built in the CBD anytime soon. I think we need to shit our focus from hoping for cheap units to trying to get rich. ;)

Yeah shit that focus.

^^ Aaaah ha ha ha ha haa *cough* *Cough*

well the shorter tower on Terrace Road has been cut in half and made into two towers but they will be slightly shorter than before... and the taller tower on Adelaide Tce has been shrunken by the height of its carpark which is now underground... but still awaiting height

http://www.perth.wa.gov.au/documentdb/1369.pdf

DA76/09 187 – 193 (LOT 123) ADELAIDE TERRACE (ABC SITE), EAST PERTH – REVISED DESIGN PROPOSAL TO SUPPORT A SCHEME AMENDMENT REQUEST

BACKGROUND:
SUBURB/LOCATION: 187-193 Adelaide Terrace and 82-94 Terrace Road (former ABC site)
DA/BA REFERENCE: P1018828-2
REPORTING OFFICER: Dewald Gericke
RESPONSIBLE DIRECTOR: Peter Monks, Director Planning and Development
DATE: 2 July 2009
MAP / SCHEDULE: Map for 187-193 Adelaide Terrace, East Perth

LANDOWNER: Ventrade Australia
APPLICANT: SS Chang Architects
ZONING: (MRS Zone) Central City Area (City Planning Scheme Precinct) Adelaide Precinct (P13) (City Planning Scheme Use Area) Residential R 160 (southern section) and Office Residential (northern section)
APPROXIMATE COST: N/A

The scheme amendment request is for a special control area for the site in order to distribute the plot ratio and parking provisions of the Scheme over the whole site. The design proposal serves to show a possible development proposal.

The application was presented to the Design Advisory Committee at its meeting held on 16 April 2009. The Committee advised that it did not support the proposed Scheme Amendment on the basis that:-

“the proposal would give rise to the potential for excessive building height and scale in the context of the Terrace Road Design Guidelines, and significant overshadowing of Langley Park as indicated by the concept plans that include a 38 level residential tower containing 258 multiple dwellings on the southern portion of the site.”

A modified design proposal was presented to the Design Advisory Committee at its meeting held on 18 June 2009. The Committee advised that it:-

“1. acknowledges that the revised relative building height of the two towers is an improvement on the original proposal presented to the Committee at its meeting held on 16 April 2009, however, the proposed building height, scale and bulk of the southern tower is still considered to be excessive in the context of the Terrace Road Design Guidelines and adjacent development;

2. requests further details regarding the provision of on-site car parking, with particular emphasis on the design solutions for the multi-level car parking at the base of the northern tower, addressing the potential visual and amenity impacts on the surrounding developments (existing and proposed), the heritage buildings on-site and on public vistas;

3. requests details of how the new development will relate to and be integrated with the heritage listed buildings that are to be retained on-site, including details of the proposed uses for the heritage buildings;

4. acknowledges that the proposal is a preliminary exercise in building scale and massing, however, considers that a more definitive development scheme is required, together with details of the development standards and design controls for the proposed Special Control Area, to provide greater certainty as to the future built outcomes for the site, prior to a determination being made in regard to the proposed scheme amendment.”

The applicant has modified the design concept again by replacing the above ground car park to the northern tower with a basement car park, and reducing the building height of the southern tower and splitting it into two towers to address the concerns of bulk and scale raised by the Committee and the Administration.

A verbal presentation utilising the City Model to illustrate the impact of bulk, scale, height and overshadowing of the proposal within was given to the Design Advisory Committee in regard to the modified proposal and request for a scheme amendment.

It was therefore recommended that the Design Advisory Committee considers a revised design proposal for three residential towers and the refurbishment of existing heritage buildings on Adelaide Terrace to support a scheme amendment request at 187 – 193 (Lot 123) Adelaide Terrace, East Perth.

Moved by the Chief Executive Officer, seconded by Mr Ednie-Brown

That the Design Advisory Committee, having considered the revised
design proposal for the former ABC site, incorporating one residential
tower on Adelaide Terrace with a basement car park, two residential
towers on Terrace Road and the refurbishment of the existing heritage
buildings on Adelaide Terrace, notes the significant improvement from
the previous proposal by addressing the issues raised by the Design
Advisory Committee and is prepared to support the proposed scheme
amendment at 187 – 193 (Lot 123) Adelaide Terrace, East Perth, subject
to the western tower proposed on Terrace Road being reduced by one
level ensuring the bookends provided by the Burt Way development is
not affected.


The motion was put and carried

The Development Reduction Committee is a joke

I mean seriously, what benefits are gained from reducing a towers height? No one notices them either way. How many of the general public actually notice towers, unless they are ridiculously big? Gah it pisses me off -__-

There are a few things I think they have in mind.

1) excessive height (they may feel that the height is out of context for terrace road and taller building should only be on adelaide terrace (step up effect)

2) Shadowing of foreshore - If you walk past this area in Langley park (esp near winter solstice - 21 June ) you can see how much Reflections and the old ABC transmission tower show the area. That is influenced by bulk (as they mention) and setback. Reflections shadow much shorter as it is set further back than the transmission tower even though they are of similar height.

I don't personally agree that either are a major problem unless the terrace road towers are over 100m as shadowing to the south is only a problem for a couple of months in winter.

...

A verbal presentation utilising the City Model to illustrate the impact of bulk, scale, height and overshadowing of the proposal within was given to the Design Advisory Committee in regard to the modified proposal and request for a scheme amendment.



Interesting, is the "City Model" available to the public? I remember the CoP tendering for creating and maintaining a 3d model of the CBD, but I never heard anymore about it.

If anyone knows more details - let me know.

I would pay $100 an hour to view it if it had upcoming proposals in there.

The Development Reduction Committee is a joke

why not nominate for the committee then PG? They're taking applications for new members. I am sure you got the email...? Are you a PIA member?

nah i'm not. im quite sure you would have to have a degree and X years of experience as a minimum for consideration.

nah i'm not. im quite sure you would have to have a degree and X years of experience as a minimum for consideration.

You would assume so... though they did send it to student members too, so I am not too sure. I hope opening the position to PIA members and other planning/design bodies will help draw in some more qualified, open minds.

Hit up work to pay your membership while your a student too :lol:

44,000 sqm worth of commercial and residential development over 6 years. Scheme amendment currently underway.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/7047/abcbk.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/abcbk.jpg/)

44,000 you say. Thats massive :O I suppose it is a huge site. Who's your source?

Wow, where id you get the pick, looks like a bad quality render.

Hopefully those vertical, glass panels will be coloured and not clear so then it will compliment fairlanes (assuming fairlanes comes out anything like its render).

Anyone know if this will have any ground level activation?

44,000 you say. Thats massive :O I suppose it is a huge site. Who's your source?

Finbars annual report.

So wats the height?
And wouldnt it be cheaper to build a carpark above ground?

p7 today's West


Old ABC to be restored
BEATRICE THOMAS

The former ABC studios in Adelaide Terrace will be restored and three residential towers built around them under a $450 million plan revealed by developers.

The plan for the 12,874sqm site includes a 32-storey residential tower on Adelaide Terrace with basement parking and 22 and 24-storey towers facing Terrace Road.

Finbar Group, which bought the site with joint-venture partner Venture Australia for $37.58 million, is still in discussions with the WA Symphony Orchestra in the hope it will become an anchor tenant, though both parties said yesterday no deal had been struck.

Finbar executive director Barren Pateman said the heritage-listed former ABC administration block, the Basil Kirk Studio and smaller studios would be upgraded and integrated with the bigger tower.



Today's IC (p2 The West)


EAGER BEAVER

In his eagerness to get plans for the former ABC site on Adelaide Terrace approved, an over-zealous planner this week stunned a Perth City Council committee meeting with the revelation that the WA Symphony Orchestra had been locked in as an anchor tenant.

Presenting plans to planning committee members who had to approve a scheme amendment for the site on Tuesday night, David Caddy, managing director of TPG, said that the WASO had committed to the deal with joint-venture partners Finbar and Ventrade.

Amid stunned looks from the city's planning department, chief executive and councillors, none of whom knew of the seemingly significant deal, he went on to reiterate that the deal between WASO chief executive Craig Whitehead and the owners had been done.

Not so, it turns out.

After calls from The West's council reporter yesterday morning, both Mr Whitehead and Finbar's Darren Pateman were quick to hose down talk of a deal.

"They occupied the site for many years, they're seeking a new home and it seemed like a logical fit but there's no formal deal in place. We're just in discussions," Mr Pateman said.

Likewise, Mr Whitehead, who said being based within a redeveloped Concert Hall precinct remained the priority, said: "Certainly I've signed no documents and have no firm commitment with Finbar at all. I've had one conversation with them in the past 12 months."

However, he called back saying Finbar had approach him for a meeting next week to discuss what it could offer.

A somewhat sheepish Mr Caddy said he was only relaying information that had been provided to him and which he "enthusiastically imparted to the councillors".

"However, I'm led to believe that it is a strong expression of interest rather than a firm commitment," he said.

We get it.

the two towers at the front will have height limits of 73.8m and 69.3m moving from west to east, not including architectural roof features, so to keep Reflections the main feature tower on Terrace Road, the tower at the back has no actual height limit placed on it, just has to have the carpark completely underground.

Thanks guys for the info.

Altus was 32 levels right? This will be great for East Perth!

Wow 32 stories in East Perth :) Nice

Should be about 100m to roof. Let's hope they go for a roof feature/spire.

i would rather 3 interesting 50m buildings than the copy and paste design we are likely to get so im not in the least excited.

i hope im wrong though

The WASO deal's probably done the way a lot of deals get done ;) Someone let the cat out of the bag before the red tape is cleared and those in the chain that need to feel important satisfied those desires. Let's not forget about maintaining the 'due process' perception for the general public.
me thinks.

Edit: Yeah I really hope this isn't another Finbar 'change the heading' job.

It would certainly be nice if it wasn't another cut and paste job from finbar, but I won't get my hopes up. I'm just happy for the few hundred extra city residents.

i would rather 3 interesting 50m buildings than the copy and paste design we are likely to get so im not in the least excited.

i hope im wrong though

Finbar are improving there designs, if they can match or better the Fairlanes tower ill be content. Getting this critical mass down in East Perth is essential, it will lead to bigger and better designed projects. In the end Finbar are the only company who appears to have th formula right and they need some Kudos for being the pioneering large apartment buildings in Perth.

Finbar are improving there designs, if they can match or better the Fairlanes tower ill be content. Getting this critical mass down in East Perth is essential, it will lead to bigger and better designed projects. In the end Finbar are the only company who appears to have th formula right and they need some Kudos for being the pioneering large apartment buildings in Perth.

I agree with that.

I don't have time at the moment to put the pictures up but there are some (early) renders of this proposal (and the Altus site) in the Finbar AGM presentation plus a number of rough 3D images indicating the size/bulk of the development in relationship to the surrounding buildings (including fairlanes).

The link is
http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20091106/pdf/31lx21bs6tnc6x.pdf
if anyone has time to pull them out.

hiss.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/crave1980/abc1.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/crave1980/abc2.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/crave1980/abc3.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/crave1980/abc4.jpg

I think someone needs to introduce their architect into gloss panel cladding. Would be great to get away from the white concrete.

hmm, my guess says 109m to roof and 115m to spire...

but atleast this area is getting dense, we just need a big arse glass tower to go up, like a signature tower...

hmm, my guess says 109m to roof and 115m to spire...

but atleast this area is getting dense, we just need a big arse glass tower to go up, like a signature tower...

i agree but not anywhere here... somewhere it won't be covered and cluttered with dried up turd shit boxes... :p

i'd like to see a large scale development tower on tha causeway with a couple of signature towers... i'm concerned what we'll eventually get when it comes to creating landmark developments to our gateways into tha city...

i'm thinking the only real location left would be the Hyatt, most of the stuff around it is small, and it is a really large site, although there is also that gardens apartments block with the large carpark next to the toyota store, otherwise everywhere else would be surrounded by the apartment towers

hiss.



http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/crave1980/abc3.jpg


So the purple red one is ABC? and the blue is Fairlanes?

Sorry finbar but this site does not get my descent tick of approval!!

(unless they are the colours in this render ;))

maybe now the wankfest over fairlanes will end.

HA, here I was thinking they were going to do something special
and this be Finbars changing signature tower (N)
But it is getting dense so woo, more 100+ meter resi towers.

My guess (hope) is that these are not the final designs, just indicative proposals to show the height/bulk of the final buildings.

It would be nice if Finbar just bought the finished designs for Altus (or Icon?) and put it in the place of the Adelaide Tce tower.

there is no hope in hell of that happening.

I know there is no hope of it. I was just using the example to show my wish that there would be a slightly more interesting design for the proposed buildings.

That little area will start to seem very dense when this finishes whatever goes up though. Hopefully somebody gets serious about putting some more retail and nightlife down that end of the city though.

I think someone needs to introduce their architect into gloss panel cladding. Would be great to get away from the white concrete.

I think someone needs to introduce finbar to an architect!!

SNAP!!


on another finbar topic, their recently completed apartments on lake st are already having plumbing issues and leaks... :ohno:

I think someone needs to introduce finbar to an architect!!



More to the point, someone needs to introduce Perth buyers to some discernment.

I think someone needs to introduce finbar to an architect!!

SNAP!!


on another finbar topic, their recently completed apartments on lake st are already having plumbing issues and leaks... :ohno:

I'm fairly sure they use SS Chang Architects. Yeah not a huge fan of his work either. Functional, but nothing ground breaking.

As for leaks... how bad? From my experience it's normal to get a few leaks in the first year after completion, most builders will usually correct such defects ASAP.

More to the point, someone needs to introduce Perth buyers to some discernment.

Ha yep, I'm sure if Perth buyers had more choice they would vote with their feet so to speak ;)

More to the point, someone needs to introduce Perth buyers to some discernment.

Gotta have choice first.

East Perth is bland. New towers are shite, activity at street level is non existant. Some proper designs and street level activation please.

East Perth is bland. New towers are shite, activity at street level is non existant. Some proper designs and street level activation please.

But, uh, why would anyone want to go to East Perth in the first place? Langley Park? Have you read the EXCELLENT review of Langley Park on google maps (by yours truly) by the way? ;D

There's just no reason to walk 2 km's down the Terrace. Even a Herrison Sculpture park would be better serviced by ferry/light rail. :ohno:

East Perth is bland. New towers are shite, activity at street level is non existant. Some proper designs and street level activation please.

I'm happy with the current buildings along there. They're not great but they really aren't that bad.

Its all about street level activation. East Perth is just fucking boring, plain and simple. No building design will change that, no "critical mass" will change it. Its just fucking dead.

They first fucked up by putting nothing but govt office buildings there, then they fucked up by adding a whole string of hotels there and nothing else, now they are fucking up by just putting apartment towers there and nothing else.

In 50 plus years no one has worked this out?!?!

Finbar have commercial space at the ground level of all the towers they build, sometimes 3-4 units in the larger ones. What I don't get is the fact that we have maybe 2 cafes in total from everything they have built and all the rest are left vacant.

If these were actually put to good use, we might have some decent street level activation, especially along Terrace road.

there are two restuatants/cafes along terrace raod in those finbar developments. I'm sure we'll see more as time progresses.

Sadly, most of their ground floor commercial units get leased by smallish offices like accountants :(

Finbar have commercial space at the ground level of all the towers they build, sometimes 3-4 units in the larger ones. What I don't get is the fact that we have maybe 2 cafes in total from everything they have built and all the rest are left vacant.


Hah. I didn't know this. 2 cafes. That's ridiculous.

Do you know which part of East Perth/which cafes?



Sadly, most of their ground floor commercial units get leased by smallish offices like accountants :(

Yeah, I think acc used to work for one there?

Hah. I didn't know this. 2 cafes. That's ridiculous.

Do you know which part of East Perth/which cafes?

I might have exaggerated a little. I was mainly referring to the Finbar developments along Terrace road, though the ones on Adelaide Terrace and Hay St (Royale etc) would also apply.

A friend of mine used to live in Westralia and the commercial units there were vacant for ages. That was completed in 2005. I think only recently they put in a deli/grocery store in one of them.

well u have infinity cafe at 131 adelaide tce, sen restaurant which is an extremely average restaurant in altair (i think) and new york deli cafe which is another shite one in westralian.

by the way, very few are vacant, im not sure what adam is on about.

well u have infinity cafe at 131 adelaide tce, sen restaurant which is an extremely average restaurant in altair (i think) and new york deli cafe which is another shite one in westralian.

by the way, very few are vacant, im not sure what adam is on about.

I guess I'm wrong then. Maybe a lot just look like that because they are just offices?

the one at one28 is vacant as are the 4 at reflections. I know 2 of the 4 spaces at royal have been leased, one to a korean restaurant.

the one at one28 is vacant as are the 4 at reflections. I know 2 of the 4 spaces at royal have been leased, one to a korean restaurant.

isnt the one at one28 leased? i know the one at soho was vacant for a while but it was actually on the market for lease the whole time.

the issue with terrace rd is that it is apparently hard to get council permission for offices there and so that really leaves restaurants and delis etc and it isnt the easiest place to make a restaurant work. this is what i heard from someone who owned one of the commercial units in a finbar development there but he has been knwn to talk shit so it could be incorrect. if it is true though i can imagine it would affect reflectiosn too. i know one of the reflections one has been for lease for a while as well

the scheme does permit commercial development on terrace road. The space at one28 seems to be used as a mini car showroom. I can't imagine this to be a permanent fixture here.

it is a car rental dilaz, it has been there a couple of years from memory but i never see anyone going in. no idea how they make money.

i know the scheme permits it but this guy had heaps of trouble and ended up giving up after a couple of years. this is the unit in the westralian that was empty for so long.

it could just be bullshit i guess but it wouldnt make sense to leave it empty for so long

Look at that density. Detail in these renders is non existant so i cant really comment.

it is a car rental dilaz, it has been there a couple of years from memory but i never see anyone going in. no idea how they make money.

i know the scheme permits it but this guy had heaps of trouble and ended up giving up after a couple of years. this is the unit in the westralian that was empty for so long.

it could just be bullshit i guess but it wouldnt make sense to leave it empty for so long

hmmm. strange considering they previosly allowed commecial down the road at Panorama.

Probably a good thing. Any effort to encourage life on terrace road is a good thing although I can see the strip being dead for many years to come.

Adelaide Terrace will come to life eventually. I give it 10 years. WASO on the ABC site is a start and the Fairlanes piazza will be a good thing too. Let's not forget that Adelaide terrace still has dozens of potential development sites from vic ave to plain street.

The permanent population base in East perth will reach a tipping point soon enough. We'll start seeing more localised shops and community infrastructure develop as this happens.

Driving through this area from Wellington Square on my way to work i realized that we will have a nice wall of skyscrapers from Elevation apartments all the way to Saffron.

Im bored and im going through Perth with the updated Nearmaps,
I went to the ABC site and theres crane parts there, Might be for Fairlanes or ABC site.
or Finbar are letting D&G use space :)

thought I'd say :D

http://perth.wa.gov.au/documentdb/1683.pdf

That's just the application for the scheme amendment. Read the petition from the people in westralian. If that's not the pot calling the kettle black then i don't know what is.

It's unlikely to result in the refusal of the amendment though.

Response from the Planning Commitee from that doc:

"It is noted that the objectors’ preference for a ‘Parisienne style residential transition’ would be out of place on Terrace Road where new development is already well in excess of the scale, form and height of development typified in central Paris."

...ZING!


Um, yer, Parisienne style low rise in East Perth requested by the appartment owners in the 18st Westralian right next door. Nice try.

Its amusing read that part, this part

“A taller tower greatly increases the feeling of
congestion and takes away a significant level of the residents’ privacy.”

Yet their tower is around apartment buildings half the size of theirs, haha.

This aswell!

“We invested in a property on Terrace Road on the understanding that there
was a height restriction of 52 metres.”

The person is argueing about height restrictions yet Westralia Apartents is 60meters...

lol seriously these objectors+giant pitt = WIN

Does anyone know what the heritage agreement entails? It says there is a submission by SS Chang stating that the heritage agreement should be scraped. Is this Finbar and SS Chang saying they dont want to retain the heritage portion of the site?

Hey guys there is an article about this on page 15 of today's west. I tried to scan it but our scanner here is now fucked for some reason. :lol:

But ill recap what it says cause i love yas but i think we already know most of this. There will be 3 towers. 1 is 31-storey 155 apartments and 5000sqm of office space. Then towers 2 and 3 are both 24 and 22-storey respectively. 4 years to complete (seams long) in a 'staged' construction.

'The city of Perth planning committee this week approved a scheme amendment for the site, which would turn it into a special control area and allow for more flexible development'

'Mr Pateman (Finbar executive director) said he hoped all approvals were finalised for construction to start by the end of the year'

Sweet :)

u forgot to include the fact that the design is typical finbar blandness.

some of u thought they were improving with fairlanes, well i can safely say theyve taken 10 steps back

u forgot to include the fact that the design is typical finbar blandness.

some of u thought they were improving with fairlanes, well i can safely say theyve taken 10 steps back

lol yeah the photo is just an 'artists impression' but so im going to hold off slinging shit at it. But if it does look like that then this is a step back for Finbar.

it has some form of curtain walling.

From what I count its 25st resi, 5 floors office and ground level. Estimated height 105m.

p15 today's West


Units and offices in $450m ABC city project
BEATRICE THOMAS

The historic former ABC studios on Adelaide Terrace will be turned into offices and surrounded by three towers with more than 300 apartments under plans for the site.

Developer Finbar Group revealed details of its proposal yesterday.

Final perspectives were also being developed to include the two towers facing Terrace Road.

It emerged that the WA Symphony Orchestra had dropped out of negotiations for a space in the redevelopment.

Finbar executive director Darren Pateman said the $450 million project would be one of the biggest of its kind in Perth and was expected to take four years in a staged construction.

It would also produce the next crop of luxury million-dollar apartments in the central business district.

Under the proposal, a joint venture with Ventrade Australia Pty Ltd, a 31-storey tower comprising 155 apartments and 5000sqm of office space would be built behind the heritage-listed former ABC administration block, which would also act as a link to the street.

The ABC buildings have been vacant since the broadcaster moved to new East Perth premises in 2005.

A 24-storey tower on the western side of Terrace Road would include 118 apartments and four commercial lots with the 22-storey eastern tower earmarked as "a premium block" with 43 apartments and two commercial lots.

Mr Pateman said that after advice that the WASO would prefer a home in the Concert Hall precinct, the historic former ABC building would be refitted as office space.

The City of Perth planning committee this week approved a scheme amendment for the site, which would turn it into a special control area and allow for more flexible development.

It will go to the WA Planning Commission and State Government for approval.

The project is one of the first to use new 3D modelling technology at the council to determine the future form of developments.

Mr Bateman said he hoped all approvals were finalised for construction to start by the end of the year.

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9473/abc0001.jpg

I doubt that would be the final design. Finbar do seem to be improving their designs over time and this would be a big step backwards.

Looks like they just got their Ruler out, drew a few straight lines and slapped that one together in a few minutes. More of the same painted white concrete facade that you see everywhere in EP.

it has some form of curtain walling.

From what I count its 25st resi, 5 floors office and ground level. Estimated height 105m.

ooooh competition time?


i say 99m

samby says 0m

do they mean this kind of parisian?

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7910/parisian.png (http://img411.imageshack.us/i/parisian.png/)

102m for the 25st for me.

I'll raise you one - 103m.

that render is hideous. another fridge

I dont think they are the final renders...

"The City of Perth planning committee this week approved a scheme amendment for the site, which would turn it into a special control area and allow for more flexible development."

Could we be getting our hopes up, or will we get 3 grey fridges instead of white? Coule we get some spire or height increase if its a special control area.

I think Dilaz said that they can take the spire to whatever height they like, I swear you said that Dilaz!

"The City of Perth planning committee this week approved a scheme amendment for the site, which would turn it into a special control area and allow for more flexible development."

Could we be getting our hopes up, or will we get 3 grey fridges instead of white? Coule we get some spire or height increase if its a special control area.

Cool, so that the title of this thread for the three towers are possibly going to change? I reckon it will probably stay about the same actually, but hopefully there is one tower which is at least 150m (height to include some sort of spire/s).... :)

I didn't think CoP had it in them to allow for more flexible development for this site, i wonder if there's any bribes going on to allow for this kind of greater density/height? :lol: changes, or why else has this become a special control area? Have I missed something?

I thought the tall tower proposed was labled too high originally and that people didn't want it in the neighbourhood even though some buildings near it were already of similar height to that of the proposed one?!!

^^ anything that's on the street of power or 'main st' wont have height issues. try turn 2d into 3d, then you have to climb mountains.

^^ anything that's on the street of power or 'main st' wont have height issues. try turn 2d into 3d, then you have to climb mountains.

I think Dilaz said that they can take the spire to whatever height they like, I swear you said that Dilaz!

Oh ok then, well if that's the case, lets hope to see a 160m tower with a 40m spire then ;)

Designs like the "Vision Bisane,' 'Soul' Gold Coast or 'Soleil' Bisbane are better than this- ut hey - I guess this Perth and this is Finbar! hmn

circle on cavill is pretty impressive imo in it's design and use of material to bring out tha most in tha tower...

circle is essentially a concrete tower on first glance, but with use of glass, varying size of floor plates gives tha curved shape which adds to tha overall aesthetics of tha building is really good...

developers in perth should strive for these types of developments... there's just no creativity or focus on architecture at all...

http://www.flatworldauctions.com/gifts2u/images/circle/2126/22.jpg

we'll stick with white fridges thanks...

we'll stick with white fridges thanks...

What!

I'd love Cir on Cav for Perth.

^^ it's sarcasm ... the developers will stick to white fridges is what i was implying.

LOL! Yeah its like Ive said b4- minimalise caost n maximise returns- thats a developers priority- thats reality- also if theres no competetion for developers in the Perth market then those developers can do what they want- cant they????

LOL! Yeah its like Ive said b4- minimalise caost n maximise returns- thats a developers priority- thats reality- also if theres no competetion for developers in the Perth market then those developers can do what they want- cant they????

yes but the issue is that we as buyers in perth do not demand more.

if more people were willing to say that a development wasnt up to scratch then developers would have to lift their game. at the moment that isnt happening and as long as we keep demanding so little that is exactly what we're gonna keep getting.

it's unaustralian to demand more.

yes but the issue is that we as buyers in perth do not demand more.

if more people were willing to say that a development wasnt up to scratch then developers would have to lift their game. at the moment that isnt happening and as long as we keep demanding so little that is exactly what we're gonna keep getting.

But it still comes down to competition in the market and at the moment who do we have, Finbar and Diploma. It will only take one developer with a little bit of vision to come into the market get the ball rolling... But in the short term... its not going to happen.

Question:

Despite Finbars shoddiness in design, (im not sure about their interiors), noone can deny that they have contributed A LOT to density in perth.
If they were required to raise their design standards for whatever reason, would we see a slowing design of how many projects they are doing in our city due to incresed costs?

I spoke to a buddy of mine about this, and he told me that there is not that much of an added cost associated with fancier architectural design.

I think Finbar are being pretty clever about it at the moment. When there is no competition and your have the market pretty much to yourself there is no need to distinguish your product, even if the additional costs are pretty small.

Eventually, once the market matures and competition increases then they can add in that bit of flair to the designs to differentiate with teh existing stock of apartments.

The shitty architect they use (S.S Chang) is, im pretty sure a member of the Finbar board. Either he needs to go to architecture school again, or there would need to be a shake up with the company. I dont see them awarding architectural contracts to someone else while he is on the board.

Though I suppose he does have the capability to design some quality buildings, but not the means. Who knows..

Noticed today that crane sections are stored midway up the site. Not sure if it is for this site or another though.

The crane is for fairlanes. Same one used on reflections.

aww, that sucks, dont like hammerheads

Question:

Despite Finbars shoddiness in design, (im not sure about their interiors), noone can deny that they have contributed A LOT to density in perth.
If they were required to raise their design standards for whatever reason, would we see a slowing design of how many projects they are doing in our city due to incresed costs?

I was running on South Perth foreshore looking at the skyline this morning and thinking exactly this. In 20 years' time, we are probably all going to hate (almost) all of the architecture in the city (cf. AMP), but we will be loving having a city that people live in. I notice Finbar seem to get what they want in planning - I suspect it is because they are delivering the population that PCC know they need to make the city. No BS about "vibrancy" from these guys - bring the people and the people will bring the rest.

I am unable to comment on the specific design merit (or lack thereof), but let's just say that I am not arguing with any of the prevailing views!

bump.
Any site works happening yet? any updates?

btw I also agree in 20 yrs time, a lot of the older bldgs would need to be recladding or given a face lift otherwise they would look crappy with the newer design of bldgs (in years to come)... :lol:
The workers on St Martins complex are doing a good job though; a few other places which have or had works in recent months/weeks is also a good thing.

Grrr. Don't bump threads like this. If anyone had news, it would have been posted.

Sorry.. I won't do it again Dilaz.
Yes it must have been sort of exciting to see something, then find it was nothing :bash:
I won't do it again, unless i have word of any news....

U can delete the above two posts & this one then, to stop any issues.

http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20100615/pdf/31qtnyqsx5kgcd.pdf

Finbar have just announced stage one and two of this project (the 23 and 21 level buildings on Terrace road).

The designs look pretty dull but at least there is a little bit more glass than many in the area (but not by much). Height for the taller one looks about one level lower than Reflections so will be about 75-77 metres?

Thanks for that link Andy
That link shows the media announcement is dated 14 June, 2010...

Here are some renders from that link, pages 2 & 3:

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p300/IFB83/SSC/partaterraceroad.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p300/IFB83/SSC/part2.jpg

Definitely a step up from some of the other designs imo.

Thread title should be changed to 29, 23, 21st?

I like the look of the shorter one. The glass probably won't be that blue though, going by the way reflections turned out.

Also realised this is the last development they can fit onto Terrace Rd. We probably won't see those old 3 level buildings will go any time soon, otherwise could fit another 2 or 3 towers there.

Article from WABN: (http://www.wabusinessnews.com.au/en-story/1/81217/Plans-to-demolish-old-ABC-building)

Plans to demolish old ABC building
15-June-10 by Kym Fuhrmann


Finbar Group has announced plans to demolish the old ABC building on Terrace Road to make way for two new high rise apartment buildings.

In a statement, the company said stage 1 of the projects will become a 23 level building comprising two and three bedroom apartments, a penthouse and a sub-penthouse.

Stage 2 will be a 21 level apartment building with 42 half floor apartments, a penthouse and a sub-penthouse.

There will also be two commercial lots on the ground floor of each building.

Finbar Chief Executive, Darren Pateman said, "This is very familiar territory for us having developed several premium apartment buildings on Terrace Road including Altair, Westralia and Reflections."

He said that the 1.3 hectare site is the last of the large scale development sites on Terrace Road.

The former ABC site was purchased in 2008 for $27.58 million by a joint venture partners Ventrade Australia and is being developed by Finbar in a joint venture arrangement with the land owner.

Plans will be lodged with the City of Perth today and subject to development approval and the finalisation of the scheme amendment process.

Finbar hopes to launch a marketing campaign for the apartments later this year.

The company said it would release details of the third and fourth stages of the projects, which will comprise the construction of a new 29 story tower on Adelaide Terrace and the refurbishment of heritage building, at a later date.

Looks like more of the same to me... I'm a little bored of these. At least this is a boost to EP population. Hasnt been much in the way of new announcements for months on these boards - so beggers cant be choosers I guess.

Yeah, as much as they do boring buildings Finbar have kept them coming at a pretty steady rate. Hopefully now that the number of Terrace road sites has been cut down there will be a greater number of taller proposals further back along Adelaide terrace. Hopefully it will also help the redrafting of planning rules to allow higher development further back as well.

Thanks for that link Andy
That link shows the media announcement is dated 14 June, 2010...

Here are some renders from that link, pages 2 & 3:

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p300/IFB83/SSC/partaterraceroad.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p300/IFB83/SSC/part2.jpg

this is good. :)

i am intrigued by the curved centre feature on the smaller 21st building, something we haven't really seen. but otherwise they are both rather repetitive of what we already have. the one on the left almost looks like a replicar of the fraser's development

I dont think the best thing about these is the designs themselves. Its that we are getting these designs from finbar.

I think over the next few years (if the coming years are as good to them as the past few) we will see the progressively step up their designs..

fuck me this is getting praise design wise?

yes yes it is good that finbar are regularly and successfully adding to east perths density etc but seriously it is still boring as all hell and you know EXACTLY what it will look like on the inside.

im really quite disappointed with the design, i expected more considering ppl felt they were "heading in the right direction"

it will also not seem anywhere near as glassy, u have to remember that the glass on the balcony is shown to be frameless in the renders but in reality are framed with a thickish grey metal.

Ditto! I love our 'luxury' developers. At least it brings more residents into the COP ;)

However it would be great to see resi closer to the actual heart of Perth!!

It doesnt look great, but its better then some of their other buildings.

Atleast we are getting more apartments and a bigger population, Then again 42 apartments is nothing.
Something new to go look at and get photos of, being Finbar this shouldnt take very long to start.

Oh and also, Finbar has changed their website around.

Shithouse.

Probably similar to other articles (I didn't compare and contrast!)

Source (http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/7400812/big-plans-for-old-abc-site/)


Big plans for old ABC site
Vivienne Ryan, The West Australian June 15, 2010, 9:58 am

http://l.yimg.com/ea/img/-/100615/new-image-161dnf2.jpg


Perth developer Finbar Group has lodged its plans for the old ABC News studios site in Perth's central business district, which will make way for two multi-level apartment blocks.

Finbar purchased the historic site for $37.58 million in 2008 and is developing the first two stages of its $450 million project through a joint venture with Ventrade Australia.

Plans for the first two stages, worth $315 million, will be lodged with the City of Perth today.

Finbar plans to keep parts of the ABC building fronting Adelaide Terrace, which has been vacant since 2005, but in a statement to the Australian Securities Exchange today said it would knock the Terrace Road sections of the building down.

Stage one at 90 Terrace Road will be a 23-storey building with 117 apartments and stage two will be a 21-level building with 43 half floor apartments at 88 Terrace Road. Both are subject to development approvals.

Marketing for the apartments is expected to start later this year.

The developer is also planning a 29-storey tower comprising 155 apartments and 5000sqm of office space, to be built behind the heritage-listed former ABC administration block.

Finbar chief executive Darren Pateman said the 1.3ha site was the last of the large scale development sites on Terrace Road.

i am intrigued by the curved centre feature on the smaller 21st building, something we haven't really seen. but otherwise they are both rather repetitive of what we already have. the one on the left almost looks like a replicar of the fraser's development

Now that you mention it, it reminds me of the Raffles development.

Now that you mention it, it reminds me of the Raffles development.

It kinda reminds me of Condor, without the roof feature...
Mostly because of the balconies.

Agreed that it's a step-up from their usual designs. Hopefully the glass looks like the glass in the renders. Finbar are excellent at providing glossy renders but use normal glass and cladding when it comes to the real thing.

FYI there are 500 apartments planned or under construction in the block bounded by hill st, terrace road, bennett street and adelaide terrace. Still half a dozen future development sites there too.

it has elements of tha melburnian imo... tha melburnian was one of tha first to head in tha glass resi direction, maybe this development could be what sets tha trend for tha cbd? let's hope tha exterior finish on tha concrete components aren't just painted...

http://www.batessmart.com.au/admin-resources/image-tools.php?h=408&c=0&src=/projects/melburnian/melburnian-ext3.jpghttp://www.batessmart.com.au/admin-resources/image-tools.php?h=408&c=0&src=/projects/melburnian/melburnian-ext5.jpg
sauce (http://www.batessmart.com.au/admin-resources/image-tools.php?h=408&c=0&src=/projects/melburnian/melburnian-ext5.jpg)

http://l.yimg.com/ea/img/-/100615/new-image-161dnf2.jpg
sauce (http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/7400812/big-plans-for-old-abc-site/)

Looks very fairlanes! Hmn funny that!

ARTICLE IN TODAYS FIN REV ABOUT THIS DEV.

Atleast we are getting more apartments and a bigger population, Then again 42 apartments is nothing.


I think there are actually 164 apartments between the two buildings (including the penthouses).

I think it looks quite good.Nothing special but definitely nothing shit. What are people expecting? - genuine question.

what was that proposed building again on the Aluvion site ;)

I know I've said this before but we all know Perth is 10-15 years behind the eastern states. Over there, comparable developers (eg meriton) used to churn out shit but over time they got much better at it. Give it another decade+ before that happens here with a little extra competition and hopefully a more educated/sophisticated market.

as someone mentioned before... i do hope tha glass they use will have colour...

i'm hinging my bet that it will have colour as no one in their right mind would create a curved glass wall on a tower and think that it would be okay to have clear glass windows... : |

Yeah, bit of blue among the white wouldn't hurt anybody

15/06/2010
187-193 Adelaide Terrace EAST PERTH WA 6004
Stage 1 : 24 Storey Building with 117 Apartments and 2 Commercial Units Stage 2 : 22 Storey Building with 43 Apartments and 2 Commercial Units
96,000,000.00
DA 2010/2192

Only one render though it does look pretty shit.

Cookie-cutter uninspired off-the-shelf architecture. I thought this site was being touted as something different.

ie. Not shithouse.

Jesus. I really dont know what you guys expected when Finbar bought this site. Eureka? Freshwater? Its Finbar!! Though these are easily their best designs to date imo.

Better designs will come as the company continues to grow and (hopefully) some competitors enter the market.

mmm, i'm really pleased with it tbh, more glass than concrete... it's not cutting edge but it's not bad either... for tha location it's fitting... i mean if you ask where our freshwater or eureka should be built, it'd be on tha causeway entrance and waterfront... this part of tha cbd has tha potential to be "st kilda rd" apartments...

Jesus. I really dont know what you guys expected when Finbar bought this site. Eureka? Freshwater? Its Finbar!! Though these are easily their best designs to date imo.

Better designs will come as the company continues to grow and (hopefully) some competitors enter the market.

Oh, no, I got what I expected. That's right, Finbar met my less-than-toilety expectations.

Praise be unto them.

Im not praising them, but its like people are shocked by the designs. By Perth standards, these are good designs. I am pleasantly surprised by them, because my expectations were lower than what they've put up. Im not saying thats a good thing, but it's what I've become accustomed to after so many years of sub-standard designs.

So, just to be clear, you're you using the lowest possible bar (Perth standards) because you've been disappointed so often that your 'good' equates to everyone elses 'shitty'.

You realise how much this reads like 'at least my abusive husband doesn't cheat on me'? :P

Im being realistic. This is Finbar, and that is quite obviously their business strategy, and it's working damn well for them. Why would they fork out more to construct better designs when the apartments aren't likely to sell for any higher a price?

The Perth apartment market isn't mature enough to demand good design for the prices we are paying, whereas a more mature market like Melbourne's would demand better designs..

I don't know that anyone is disputing any of what you're saying.

DR > all you other idiots praising this

oh my god, a shiny render! woooohoooo! this is like awwweeeessoooommmmeeee!

you should all be thoroughly disappointed in yourselves. to praise completely unimaginative copy and paste architecture (especially in the context of just how many similar ones by the very same company there are in a 3km radius) is ridiculous

are we in primary school? does everyone deserve a gold star for trying??

All the more reason other companies should enter the Perth market and take some market share from Finbar...

Either way, this development is good for density, even if it is as boring as hell.

The way you're acting Sanj is like it's the ugliest thing you've ever seen. It just looks average, nothing more, nothing less.

This is a genuine question - what happens in 20 years when they are looking shabby? These buildings don't look like they will age well. All the apartments will be owned by individuals. At least an ugly office building is only owned by one entity, and the decision can be made to knock it down. What happens? Does the body corporate just keep fixing up bits over time?

The way you're acting Sanj is like it's the ugliest thing you've ever seen. It just looks average, nothing more, nothing less.

exactly.

that is EXACTLY my point, it is in no way worth praise design wise. finbar buildings look fine when judged on their own, but in the context of there being say 10 near identical buildings in the vicinity then no, it doesnt look good. this render is the same formulaic crap they put out all the time, with minor tweaks. like i said first and foremost they deserve credit for regularly and successfully pumping out buildings but to praise the design is like commending someone on making you indomie mee goreng.

kelli - there is usually a sinking fund as part of your strata fees that people contribute into over and above what is needed to pay for your everyday upkeep, insurances etc. this is usually used for major things like say if a lift needs replacing, the exterior of the whole building needs painting etc. if the sinking fund isnt enough then each owner will have to come up with their share of the rest.


by the way i realise im now starting to sound loony like perthy and his mac obsession so im going to leave it alone. i just get genuinely disappointed when average is deemed to be good because our expectations have been lowered so significantly

As I said before, I was not praising the design. I was merely stating that it is better than I was expecting. These designs are a bit of a shift from the classic Finbar formula (the render on the right more so). It is disappointing that my expectations were that low, but thats the way it is.

Sanj speaks the truth. I was a little disappointed with these - but now I'm more pi$$ed off with the way the EP will look in a few years time.

A least change the fricken materials guys, this looks like left over paint from Reflections etc.

don't blame them blame the consumers

Is there enough choice to lay blame on the customer at this point? It seems like even our most unusual residential developments differ from the others only in small degrees.

If these were proposed in another city they'd probably be called nice but average. They'll probably age like any other average highrise building.

The way you're acting Sanj is like it's the ugliest thing you've ever seen. It just looks average, nothing more, nothing less.

Well the fact that we have seen this 'average' looking replica numerous times before doesn't help.

don't blame them blame the consumers

Bullshit. There is too little choice in the market to blame consumers.

I don't think these buildings would be considered particularly bad if they were hidden away or smaller....However they're going to be a big feature of the skyline (just like a lot of the residential buildings in EP) and add to the already bleak, boring and ugly part of our riverfront.

I think these will just merge into the background within a couple of years of being built. Remember that directly behind them will be the taller ABC and Fairlanes towers, with other similar height towers likely to fill in the remaining Adelaide tce gaps over the next few years.

Well we can blame the consumer and we can blame the developers- but what about the loosers that approve shit and reject good developments hmnnnn just a thought!

[QUOTE=Sanj;58656533]fuck me this is getting praise design wise?

yes yes it is good that finbar are regularly and successfully adding to east perths density etc but seriously it is still boring as all hell and you know EXACTLY what it will look like on the inside.

im really quite disappointed with the design, i expected more considering ppl felt they were "heading in the right direction"

Totally agree with you. Another boring addition to the skyline. For what they will likely be charging to buy here I would have thought they might employ a more innovative and bolder architect.

Stage 1 and 2 DA's in, 76 and 70m

http://perth.wa.gov.au/documentdb/1869.pdf

i find it odd that tha committee has to ask information regarding detailed design of other sections of tha tower... wouldn't you mandate, that if you submit a proposal you include all information regarding tha design on all sides of tha building...

Nobody stab me or anything! please!
I know its nothing, but its something!


Finbar announces record $23.6m profit
18-August-10 by Staff Reporters

Western Australia's leading apartment developer Finbar Group Limited (ASX: FRI) has today announced its audited financial results for the year ended 30 June 2010 in which it has produced a record profit of $23.56 million after tax.

This result is a 24% increase over the previous corresponding period and highlights Finbar's continued success.

The strong result was achieved though the successful completion and settlement of various group projects where a high level of conversions was achieved and where only three residential units now remain to be sold across all completed projects.

Earnings per share rose from 13.5 cents to 16 cents, the final dividend increased 0.5 cents per share to 5.5 cents per share, and Finbar has bolstered its cash reserves to $41.5 million in preparation to launch and commence new construction work for projects totaling $615 million in end value.

Finbar secured two new residential projects during 2009-10 with the joint venture acquisition of development land in East Victoria Park along with Finbar's selection as the preferred developer of a large residential project in Karratha.

Projects
Construction work at Times Two, The Edge, and Fairlanes continued without interruption, and construction work has now commenced on 18 on Plain.

The 2010-11 year will see the marketing launch of the first stage of redevelopment on the former ABC Site (marketing details to be released soon), along with the company's residential project in East Victoria Park.

Subject to scheme amendment, Finbar's 314 unit project in Karratha will provide the launching pad for the group's Pilbara growth plans, where Finbar is strategically aligning its interests with growing regional populations that are being boosted by robust infrastructure and resources activity.

Executive Chairman John Chan said that this year's project successes have been achieved though Finbar's continued focus on producing a product that meets the value and quality demands of the market under an industry respected brand.

Dividends
On 15 July 2010 the Finbar Board announced a final dividend of 5.5 cents per share which will be paid to shareholders on 20 September 2010.
This dividend, coupled with the interim dividend of 2 cents per share paid in March 2010 represents a distribution of 7.5 cents per share on earnings of 16 cents per share.
The company intends to maintain a dividend payout ratio of up to 50% of earnings to provide a balance between sustainable growth and stable dividend reward for its shareholders.

Outlook
Finbar has entered the 2010-11 financial year with a healthy construction pipeline along with strong sales that support the future revenue and profit recognition for these projects.

Project margins remain robust and are strengthening as Finbar harnesses innovative construction methods to control costs and continues to operate in markets with low levels of competitive activity.

Finbar anticipates the 2010-11 financial year will see the completion of 275 residential apartments at the Edge and Times Two. Both of these projects have already achieved a high level of pre-sales.

Finbar expects the revenue from these projects to underpin its earnings for the 2010-11 financial year and as such, is anticipating achieving similar levels of profit to those announced today, with potential to achieve further earnings growth in the 2011-12 financial year

http://www.wabusinessnews.com.au/en-story/1/82888/Finbar-announces-record-23-6m-profit?utm_source=DBA&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=article_click

Nobody stab me or anything! please!

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Psycho

I read an article somewhere (but can't find it now!) that said PCC approved the ABC development. I will see if I can locate it.

I got an email from Finbar tonight about the development. Registrations of interest are open. They are calling the development 'Symphony City' and the first tower (the square-er one) Adagio.

Email:

http://www.symphonycity.com.au/email/ealert.jpg

That render of it looks like Fairlanes..
though good to see they are moving along, DA was put foward of demo for part of the ABC Site.

Still a little confused at why part is heritage listed...

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http://www.symphonycity.com.au/

The ultimate city lifestyle - Located on the fromer ABC site and within easy reach of the city's many leisure and lifestyle attractions, this exclusive development will comprise both residential and commerical space in four unique buildings - Adgio, Toeecata, Coneetro and Harmony.

Four?

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AND!
if anyone wants to know

Adagio, a tempo marking indicating that the music is to be played slowly
A composition marked to be played adagio, e.g. Adagio for Strings

tha first pic on tha main website is so stupid... tha guy's in tha pool checking out a girl's ass... wtf.