Lexington, KY - Centrepointe NOT 500+ ft!

[centrepointe]

Probably shouldn't say who at this point(maybe it's public knowledge now?) but I just got definitive word from a Webb employee that Centrepointe is going to be 495 feet...

I don't know about the rest of you, but this is rather disapointing. Why not simply extend the spire 43+ measly feet to claim the state's tallest for the first time in Lexington's modern history?

I don't get this. Is there a code in Lexington restricting height to under 500?

Maybe no one else cares... but if some do maybe we could start a petition or something? Or at least make our concerns known?

It seems really odd to me to construct this building(great for Lex either way btw)... have a redesign to include a cap and spire... and leave it 43 measly ft short. AEGON cheated to beat out National City with it's dome, why can't we with a spire? Adding 43 feet to the spire would add what cost... ~10K or so to a 250 million dollar project?

Make your concerns known if you wish... I have.


The Webb Companies
250 W. Main Street
Suite 3000
Lexington, Kentucky 40507

(859) 253-0000
(859) 281-5670 - Fax
www.thewebbcompanies.com


John H. Anderson
Jhadev@aol.com


Dudley Webb
Dwebb69561@aol.com


Woodford Webb
wwebb@thewebbcompanies.com

Thanks

[centrepointe]

Not to mention, with Museum Plaza 99% likely to never see the light of day, this gives Lexington the opportunity to claim the title for the foreseeable future. Let Webb know Lex citizens care!

The only input they seem to get is negative(e.g. from the Dame's patrons etc.)

[g-man430]

Search feature is your friend. ;)

[centrepointe]

Thank you wise internet wizard. Last posts I saw in the 560 ft/Lex development threads etc. still have it at that height.

Care to expand or provide any actual info?

[g-man430]

Ummm...how long before it goes on hold due to the economy? :D

[centrepointe]

And how long until you stop making 3,000 pointless posts a year on the internet and get your first girlfriend? :ohno:

http://stuff.orly.ch/img/blog/dont_worry_sir_i_m_from_the_internet.jpg

[superflymike]

show me sources or how you got this figure
just saying you know one of the webbs employees isn't going to cut it for me at least
I already explained how I got my figure and until somebody can prove this to be wrong I think this is the best estimate we have at the time

[superflymike]

and why do you need a whole thread for this there is already a centrepointe thread

[CVG]

Im sure the Webbs will really listen to this email petition. They cooperated so well with the city in the planning of this building, a few emails will surely make htem change the height.

[centrepointe]

sfmike- dude, I'm not attacking your estimate. I'm sharing information I recieved, hoping we can do something about it. I've been wanting Lexington to build something higher than Aegon for years. I want it higher than 538 ft than anybody, believe me. I've been following the updates here and thought It'd be best to post about it here. Seems to be more Lexington interest here than skyscraperpage and the other sites.

I don't feel comfortable posting the name of the employee. If you don't believe me... email Webb Co. yourself and ask. I didn't understand why no one had done that yet anyway.

John H. Anderson
Jhadev@aol.com


Dudley Webb
Dwebb69561@aol.com


Woodford Webb
wwebb@thewebbcompanies.com

I hope that if we can generate enough interest we can get those few feet added.

It seems really silly to me to build this thing and leave it less than 40 feet short of Aegon.

Everyone email!

[centrepointe]

Im sure the Webbs will really listen to this email petition. They cooperated so well with the city in the planning of this building, a few emails will surely make htem change the height.

maybe so, but a 20 second email won't kill you. and if we can spread the word and get lex residents to realize how close we are to the state's tallest, maybe that will be enough. like i said, adding 40 ft to that spire would incur relatively very minor effort/cost.

i'd also add to that, they went ahead with a redesign that actually ADDED height to a project many with self-serving interests(like you mentioned) objected to. so i think they'd be open to this if enough people cared.

[superflymike]

I didnt think you were attacking it
I just question information that is given to me thats all

[Ian604]

Can we let this thread die and keep it in the real CentrePointe thread so we dont have to bounce between the two?

[g-man430]

And how long until you stop making 3,000 pointless posts a year on the internet and get your first girlfriend? :ohno:


Look in the mirror for the person you just described. Making a new thread about this project when there already is one along with posting the same crap every two seconds. :nuts: I'm sure the developers appreciate you plastering their emails all over the forum. :ohno:

[Thekmanxc]

Sorry, but no one outside of this blog cares if it's 495 or 500. Is it really that big of deal? States tallest? Yea would be something to brag about in the design world...but something to get upset about? Really?

[centrepointe]

Look in the mirror for the person you just described. Making a new thread about this project when there already is one along with posting the same crap every two seconds. :nuts: I'm sure the developers appreciate you plastering their emails all over the forum. :ohno:

some of your past postings...

g-man430
Posts: 7,265 I'd give a few months before it stalls due to the lending market going down the drain.

gt7834a
Posts: 160 How many times do we have to tell you, this isn't being financed in a traditional fashion. It is being done with cash. Why would you come on to our cities thread and be Debbie downer? Not sure why I am asking since we all already know you are insane.

g-man430
I don't care how it's financed. This building looks as crappy as the rest of the city.

g-man430
Is centrepointe infoman? :dunno:

g-man430
Infoman got suspended. :lol: He made a new...

g-man430
Infoman is going to be thrilled:)

g-man430
I wish McCain died in that P.O.W. camp :ohno:...

g-man430
Are you Infoman???

g-man430
He's old and fat. No wonder you guys suck this...

g-man430
Infoman, what did you do? :rant:

g-man430
More mexican shops for the illegals.

g-man430
Let's hope the space shuttle doesn't hit it on the way back to earth. :lol:

g-man430
Is it dead? Give it life support somebody. :cry: :pet: (Museum Plaza thead)

g-man430
Why would I be banned from this site? I didn't...

g-man430
And you're an embarrassment to mother nature....

g-man430
Check this out infoman: http://www.nytimes.com/ Look at the top few stories at the top of the page. AIG and Lehman Brothers going down the drain. Have fun getting loans for your projects. :lol:

Infoman's development drawings!
Posted By g-man430
WTF? :lol:

and this one is funny...

g-man430
We should all email them and do it everyday until they do this. :D (in regards to a SC project)

and on and on and on...
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/search.php?searchid=3002100&pp=25

From best I can tell "g-man"
a) likes attacking projects in a random state/cities hundreds of miles from him
b) enjoys the financial crisis and people dying
c) is in love(or really hates?) fellow internet entity "Infoman" and seems clinically obsessed
d) is extremely addicted to attention from the interwebs, positive or negative

1) emails and info i posted were copy and pasted straight off their website
2) i posted here to discuss a single *building* and my *city*, nothing more... not here for the social interaction you are obviously desperate for(trying to troll a brand new member on his first post?) this is a site about architecture/city planning... right?
3) i made a seperate post here for a "petition", Ian suggested to let it sink and use the main one, then you bump it twice in 3 minutes
4) i can't wait for post 7,267! Let me guess, attacking the Dariy Queen in Frogstump KY? A post about "Infoman"? I'll be waiting with baited breath :lol:

[g-man430]

Wow. You must have no life if the only thing you can do is go and look at the posts I made in the past some of which aren't even mine. :ohno: Why don't you go look at the Greenville, SC Development News thread and look at the spam I posted today too. ;)

[StevenW]

some of your past postings...

g-man430
Posts: 7,265 I'd give a few months before it stalls due to the lending market going down the drain.

gt7834a
Posts: 160 How many times do we have to tell you, this isn't being financed in a traditional fashion. It is being done with cash. Why would you come on to our cities thread and be Debbie downer? Not sure why I am asking since we all already know you are insane.

g-man430
I don't care how it's financed. This building looks as crappy as the rest of the city.

g-man430
Is centrepointe infoman? :dunno:

g-man430
Infoman got suspended. :lol: He made a new...

g-man430
Infoman is going to be thrilled:)

g-man430
I wish McCain died in that P.O.W. camp :ohno:...

g-man430
Are you Infoman???

g-man430
He's old and fat. No wonder you guys suck this...

g-man430
Infoman, what did you do? :rant:

g-man430
More mexican shops for the illegals.

g-man430
Let's hope the space shuttle doesn't hit it on the way back to earth. :lol:

g-man430
I want to have Infoman's baby! :lol:

g-man430
Is it dead? Give it life support somebody. :cry: :pet: (Museum Plaza thead)

g-man430
Why would I be banned from this site? I didn't...

g-man430
And you're an embarrassment to mother nature....

g-man430
Check this out infoman: http://www.nytimes.com/ Look at the top few stories at the top of the page. AIG and Lehman Brothers going down the drain. Have fun getting loans for your projects. :lol:

Infoman's development drawings!
Posted By g-man430
WTF? :lol:

and this one is funny...

g-man430
We should all email them and do it everyday until they do this. :D (in regards to a SC project)

and on and on and on...
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/search.php?searchid=3002100&pp=25

From best I can tell "g-man"
a) likes attacking projects in a random state/cities hundreds of miles from him
b) enjoys the financial crisis and people dying
c) is in love(or really hates?) fellow internet entity "Infoman" and seems clinically obsessed
d) is extremely addicted to attention from the interwebs, positive or negative

1) emails and info i posted were copy and pasted straight off their website
2) i posted here to discuss a single *building* and my *city*, nothing more... not here for the social interaction you are obviously desperate for(trying to troll a brand new member on his first post?) this is a site about architecture/city planning... right?
3) i made a seperate post here for a "petition", Ian suggested to let it sink and use the main one, then you bump it twice in 3 minutes
4) i can't wait for post 7,267! Let me guess, attacking the Dariy Queen in Frogstump KY? A post about "Infoman"? I'll be waiting with baited breath :lol:

:eek2: Wow! What a list!!! :nuts: :crazy:

[madtony26.2]

looks like g-man has a secret admirer

[StevenW]

^^ :lol:

[CVG]

Leave g-man alone, he makes this board interesting. Im still upset he hasnt posted in my Northern Kentucky development thread yet. I wont feel that thread has truly made it until he does.

[bigwilley]

I like G-man hes my bud

[RuppManager]

Not to mention, with Museum Plaza 99% likely to never see the light of day, this gives Lexington the opportunity to claim the title for the foreseeable future. Let Webb know Lex citizens care!

The only input they seem to get is negative(e.g. from the Dame's patrons etc.)

What's up with the Museum Plaza project; are there problems on weird, but cool building avenue?

[card04]

Well...it's on hold due to the markets at the moment. This is also the case with many projects across the country. I say let the lending markets get a bit friendlier and it will be back on track.

[SRG]

And how long until you stop making 3,000 pointless posts a year on the internet and get your first girlfriend? :ohno:

http://stuff.orly.ch/img/blog/dont_worry_sir_i_m_from_the_internet.jpg

Classic post directed at g-man.. and fyi, Infoman is his second account. I don't know why both haven't been banned since they both annoy the living hell out of us all.

[Dale]

495 feet towers over anything we've got here in Orlando.

[g-man430]

Classic post directed at g-man.. and fyi, Infoman is his second account. I don't know why both haven't been banned since they both annoy the living hell out of us all.

WTF? I'm not infoman. :nuts: He lives in Baltimore. I live in Greenville.

[Cashville]

Ignore him gman. Its pretty obvious SRGs second account is OKCsupersonics. They may have banned that one since I havent seen it in a while, but unfortunately SRG is still around.

[StevenW]

There is but one Infoman!
:yes:

[bolenmeister]

Not to mention, with Museum Plaza 99% likely to never see the light of day, this gives Lexington the opportunity to claim the title for the foreseeable future. Let Webb know Lex citizens care!

The only input they seem to get is negative(e.g. from the Dame's patrons etc.)

i believe ur dead wrong about this...museum plaza is construction is actually ongoing as far as utility relocation, and the investors continue to spend their own money on the project. it is on hold but is by no means dead at all. it has the same chance of getting built as centrepoint in lexington. if u do recall mp moved forward like cp in lex is moving, fast at first. does centrepoint even have a sales center, website, and floor plans yet like museumplaza? ground was broken and piles were even being driven on mp!
anyways, whats with the obsession with getting a taller building than louisville? it would be like louisville getting obsessed with building something taller than anything in a city three times its size, say seattle or san francisco? you do realize louisville has a city population and metro population nearly three times that of lexington right? i hope lexington gets a new tallest, but lets be realistic here. lexington is what it is, and its no louisville, just like louisville is no seattle.

[CVG]

Once again a Louisville poster has to come on a Lexington thread to make themselves feel better. When the Louisville posters realize how insignificant their city is becoming? Losing restaurants left and right. MP is all but dead and you are kidding yourself if you think otherwise. It never moved at the pace that Centrepointe is now moving. Plus the Cordish development seems to be years away at best now.

And you know it hurts that Lexington will likely have the new tallest in the state in the next couple years. If not you wouldnt be on this thread talking about it. Go back to your Louisville threads so you can pretend its an up and coming city with the other Louisville people, but in reality its just getting passed up by cities it once was much bigger and better than.

[Ian604]

Can we please let this thread die. There's no sense starting a pissing contest.

Let's hope for the best for both cities. There is an entire state that depends upon Louisviile, Lexington and NKY's economies.

[card04]

Once again a Louisville poster has to come on a Lexington thread to make themselves feel better. When the Louisville posters realize how insignificant their city is becoming? Losing restaurants left and right. MP is all but dead and you are kidding yourself if you think otherwise. It never moved at the pace that Centrepointe is now moving. Plus the Cordish development seems to be years away at best now.

And you know it hurts that Lexington will likely have the new tallest in the state in the next couple years. If not you wouldnt be on this thread talking about it. Go back to your Louisville threads so you can pretend its an up and coming city with the other Louisville people, but in reality its just getting passed up by cities it once was much bigger and better than.

Oh yeah...well my dad is bigger than your dad!

Honestly thats what this thread sounds like, epecially that comment. Do you not think that a Louisville forumer would know more about what is happening in their city than you? Sure everyone likes to gloat about their city like a child, but this is getting rediculous. You act as if Louisville is Cleveland or Detroit, which it is far from. No one is saying that Louisville is Charlotte, or even Nashville, but things are changing. What is holding Museum Plaza back is financing, which is because of this whole economic melt down effecting the entire country. None of what is going on is a reflection on Louisville, but the economy as a whole. Once things start turning around, I would be willing to put money down that Museum Plaza will get built.

What evidence do you honestly have that Museum Plaza is dead? They were at site prep, when progess stopped, I believe that is where Centrepoint is at now. Do you not think the economy will not and has not effected Lexington? If things don't improve Lexington will have the state's tallest half-empty building. And that's assuming that the hotel will have the financing available to open up.

One last thing, do you think anyone outside this thread honestly will care that Lexington has the tallest building in a backwoods state like Kentucky by 20 or so feet because of a spire? Does that spire make it any better than Louisville? Do you think the country will look at it any differently? Outside of the thread I bet nobody outside of Lexington has ever heard of Centrepoint.

Louisville is slow but surely turning around, Lexington is on its way up. I would hope that anybody from Kentucky would be happy to see this. The fact is the more these cities grow, the more representation they have in state politics, and the close we get to the urban legislative representatives running the show, and the closer we get to turning this backwards state around.

[StevenW]

I hope both cities enjoy tremendous economic growth!!! :yes:

[bolenmeister]

Once again a Louisville poster has to come on a Lexington thread to make themselves feel better. When the Louisville posters realize how insignificant their city is becoming? Losing restaurants left and right. MP is all but dead and you are kidding yourself if you think otherwise. It never moved at the pace that Centrepointe is now moving. Plus the Cordish development seems to be years away at best now.

And you know it hurts that Lexington will likely have the new tallest in the state in the next couple years. If not you wouldnt be on this thread talking about it. Go back to your Louisville threads so you can pretend its an up and coming city with the other Louisville people, but in reality its just getting passed up by cities it once was much bigger and better than.

what you dont understand is no one in louisville could give a damn about lexington. its a much smaller city that poses no threat to louisville. i hope lexington thrives despite your mindless rant against louisville! Louisville is so much larger and more interesting that despite a few restaurant closings, the recent openings alone in the past year are far more interesting than what lexington has. lexington is what it is, a midsized to small college town. there is no pissing match between these two cities bc there is no comparison. if you want to start a pissing match, try hitting up cities which you are closer to in size (but still substantially smaller) like columbia or omaha.
also, MP is not dead! it just isnt. there is so much development currently u/c in louisville it would make ur head spin. if lexington gets a new states tallest ( i still doubt it nor do i really care bc im not from ky), then bravo for lexington! it will also be taller than anything in Washington DC but which is the more culturally diverse and interesting city? :lol:louisville is surely not even close to DC, but to pretend ppl in louisville are jealous of little lexington? come on!:bash:

[Ian604]

Okay, children. Can we all just go ahead and let this thread die now. We already have a Centrepointe thread.

[CVG]

bolen, I live in northern Kentucky. I have pro sports within walking distance of my house, live in a metro twice the size of Louisville and growing just a quick (contrary to what some Louisville people want to believe).

Its a shame that Louisville have to come on to Lexington threads to make themselves feel good. Louisville is nothing more than a college town either, and is much more like Lexington that forumers want to believe. The city has sat stagnant for the better part of the last 40 years and watched others leave it in the dust. Thats 100% fact, look at the city in the 60's and 70's and look at in now. Its peers from then are now its superiors, and its peers of the not so distant future are places like Omaha and Des Moines if they are not there already.

Louisville cant even fill the Waterfront Condo tower that has been built for years now, Museum Plaza has twice the number of condos and from what I have seen those are more expensive. That part of the tower has no hope of getting filled in the next 20 years. In its current state Museum Plaza is 100% dead, unless you are completely blind you should be able to see that.

[CVG]

And lets keep it real, it bothers you immensely that Lexington is going to get the states new tallest. If it didnt you wouldnt be on here trying to compare the two cities.

[RuppManager]

And lets keep it real, it bothers you immensely that Lexington is going to get the states new tallest. If it didnt you wouldnt be on here trying to compare the two cities.


CVG, I must ask you how you came up with that user name. I grew up in the Cardinal Valley area of Lexington, and there were some guys in that area that called themselves the CVG's.

[Whosville]

lexington is what it is, a midsized to small college town.

And this is why Lexington folks are ranting against Louisville - and why Lexington is so happy to have the state's tallest to rub it in your face.

"small college town" -- jesus, get a clue.

[superflymike]

CVG, I must ask you how you came up with that user name. I grew up in the Cardinal Valley area of Lexington, and there were some guys in that area that called themselves the CVG's.

http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=What+does+CVG+stand+for%3F
then click the first result

[bolenmeister]

And this is why Lexington folks are ranting against Louisville - and why Lexington is so happy to have the state's tallest to rub it in your face.

"small college town" -- jesus, get a clue.

again, lexington is a small college town and the stats prove it. you can inflate it all you want and deflate louisville all you want, but this thread is not about louisville. oh, and i am actually from cincy and that city is more stagnant than louisville trust me. the reaosn i butted in here is some very childish posters have been spreading false rumors that museump plaza is dead when in fact myself and several other louisville posters live here and can surely tell you that utility and outside site work comtiue using the investors own funds.


Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN MSA Greater Cincinnati, The Tri-State OH-KY-IN 02,133,678 02,009,654 A193+6.17% Cincinnati-Middletown-Wilmington, OH-KY-IN CSA


Louisville-Jefferson County, KY-IN MSA Kentuckiana KY-IN 01,233,735 01,162,409 A194+6.14% Louisville-Jefferson County-Elizabethtown-Scottsburg, KY-IN CSA


Lexington-Fayette, KY MSA Bluegrass region KY 00,447,173 00,408,326 A122+9.51% Lexington-Fayette-Frankfort-Richmond, KY CSA


So as you can see, there is NO COMPARISON. Congratulations to lexington, even if you get the states tallest tower, u are not a big city, and you sure dont offer big city living or entertainemnt options lol. lexington is a college town run by UK and that is perfectly fine! be what you are and stop trying to compete with larger cities. cvg stated that louisville is on des moines level when it is barely larger than lexington, i mean come on. trust me when i tell you that no one in louisville or cincinnati gives two shits about lexington unless its to come there for some fast horses and women and keeneland :) however ppl from lousiville and cincy or wherever will defend their city when falsities are spread. lexington is a very nice, clean college town and i will be happy for it if it gets a new building in its downtown, heaven knows that downtown needs some height!

[Whosville]

Wow. Gonna stick with the "small college town" thing, eh?

450,000 people in the MSA and 650,000 people in the CSA with a nearly 10% growth rate even while the university if cutting its budget is a "small college town" ...

Okay. To each his own.

Do me a favor, though. If you are ever in Iowa, please stop by Ames (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ames,_ia). Then you will understand what a "small college town" looks like.

[bolenmeister]

Wow. Gonna stick with the "small college town" thing, eh?

450,000 people in the MSA and 650,000 people in the CSA with a nearly 10% growth rate even while the university if cutting its budget is a "small college town" ...

Okay. To each his own.

Do me a favor, though. If you are ever in Iowa, please stop by Ames (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ames,_ia). Then you will understand what a "small college town" looks like.

As I said before, lexington is a wonderful town and i am hoping they get this skyscraper and shopping and pedestrian oriented streets in their urban core more so it can be known that ky does have real thriving urban areas. if u want to compare towns lexington is actually more similar to des moines than ames, although des moines is just a tad bigger in its metro plus has a denser core. still, being a smaller college town is not a bad thing, but it is what it is. lexington should combine the best of quaint college towns like bloomington, in (which at 25% the size of lexington has way less sprawl, more walkability, and diversity) along with the more cosmopolitan feel of her larger neighbors like cincy, louisville, or nashville to create a more urban city. i think lexington is on the right track but i would be more concerned with creating a hyde park or highlands or west end (nashville) before i tried to go vertical too much. i think lexington is to the point where it can do both build downtown and more "hip" urban nabes outside campus, but it need not get its panties in a wad over skyscrapers too much as this in general does not generate as much ground level activity as multiple low rise mixed use developments, of which there are a few excellent ones like center court, but there needs to be more.

[Ian604]

The mystery is over.

Centrepointe is going to be 497' Can we stop all the bickering over Museum Plaza now that we know it wont be taller than Aegon.

[RuppManager]

http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=What+does+CVG+stand+for%3F
then click the first result

lol, in this case it was a group of hoodlums who briefly referred to themselves as the "Cardinal Valley Gangsters" shortly before departing to their prison cells... who would've guessed it.

[centrepointe]

The mystery is over.

Centrepointe is going to be 497' Can we stop all the bickering over Museum Plaza now that we know it wont be taller than Aegon.

we've known the approx height of the cap for a while now. nothing new there. the spire is indeed going to go higher than aegon's dome. thus centrepointe will become the state's tallest.

national city has the highest occupiable floor/floor count. aegon cheated. centrepointe returns the favor. ~560 ft to tip :)

[MetroMax]

why you all trippin. lexington cant have the tallest thats for louisville. itd be weak as hell to have the tallest in lexington. louisville is the big city of kentucky, not lexington.

[CVG]

lexington should combine the best of quaint college towns like bloomington, in (which at 25% the size of lexington has way less sprawl, more walkability, and diversity) along with the more cosmopolitan feel of her larger neighbors like cincy, louisville, or nashville to create a more urban city.

Now you are being clueless, Lexington has more diversity than Bloomington. I really dont think somebody from Louisville should bring up a diversity argument anyway considering how undiverse Louisville really is. Louisville has a larger black percentage (about 20% in the core county and 12-13% in the metro) than Lexington (14%in core county and 10% in metro) but when you take a look at Hispanic and Asian percentages Lexingtons is much higher and growing faster, the raw numbers are almost the same which is pretty bad considering Louisville is so much larger.

[card04]

Can somebody please just close this thread....

[CVG]

Please dont, its fun to watch insecure people like bolen make fools of themselves. Im sure everybody here needed somebody to pull stats to show that Louisville is bigger than Lexington.

[CVG]

CVG, I must ask you how you came up with that user name. I grew up in the Cardinal Valley area of Lexington, and there were some guys in that area that called themselves the CVG's.

Im from Northern Kentucky and live in Covington.

[seicer]

Why does this parallel, completely useless thread exist?

[MetroMax]

Why does this parallel, completely useless thread exist?

HA HA SEICER:nuts::nuts: this is a redondunt therad. You pulled HIS CARD:bash: you running things on the internet