I love the new Breda P2550 trains. They have a classic-inspired design but with a modern twist. On top of that, they're really sexy looking at night.

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I F*****G love these trains!! Classy, retro and sleak. Having these trains run from Downtown LA on through South Central to Santa Monica is going to be a beautiful sight indeed.

definitely the better looking light rail cars than the white/yellow ones

They are coooooool and sexy, just like LA.

I hope the MTA doesn't ruin the outside look by putting ads or those TAKE METRO slogans on the cars.

They look like they're heavy rail cars, nice. BTW, do the neighbors complain about those ringing bells? They're annoying..haha

Oooooooo me likey the way they sound.

Oh God not those ugly boxes... I'm sure they could have chosen a more modern looking (Monorail) type train. Fuck Man!!! in L.A. we always get fucked!!!!! Waste of my tax contribution...

Whatever man I wish I lived near a metro stop so I could put my car to rest for good. I love the trains. LA needs more.

Fern, MTA doesn't collect our taxes... or do they? feel free to correct that one.

Come on Fern, give them a chance. I didn't like them at first, but they grew on me.

Fern, MTA doesn't collect our taxes... or do they? feel free to correct that one.

^^ Oh you bet your sweet rear we have some special bond for those metal boxes. At this moment I can't seem to remember (Iced Cold Corona's) but it 's definitely coming out of the sweat of your forehead.

Ask the BRU and they will fill you in...


Come on Fern, give them a chance. I didn't like them at first, but they grew on me.

^^ I will give you this, they beat those ugly worn down Blue Line Trains. Now those suckers needs some major TLC!

Those are smooth rides, I like them.

I hope the MTA doesn't ruin the outside look by putting ads or those TAKE METRO slogans on the cars.

I don't see how these won't get ads, somewhere on them. Aren't ads a tangible source of generating alternative revenue for our system?

Oh God not those ugly boxes... I'm sure they could have chosen a more modern looking (Monorail) type train. Fuck Man!!! in L.A. we always get fucked!!!!! Waste of my tax contribution...

Write to your local congressman.

Although I do agree a bit. I was in Phoenix this pass weekend and some of you may or may not know, their new light rail line just opened and their trains are just beautiful. And GIGANTIC! They look like they should be heavy rail. While I like the new Breda cars, I wouldn't mind seeing something like that going down to Culver City.

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That will look horribly dated in 10 years.

Compared to the Blue Line trains which are almost 20 years old.

I don't see how these won't get ads, somewhere on them. Aren't ads a tangible source of generating alternative revenue for our system?

Just put them inside (not outside) the cars.

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What do you think?

^^ those look neat. but L.A.'s Breda fits here better. Those look good for Phoenix which is a relatively new looking downtown, but our neighborhoods have seen the times.

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What do you think?

I think that ones a bus and the other is a train. What's your point?

Although the Orange Line buses look a bit like the Breda trains.

Weird. I think those new phoenix trains look like they're from the 80s. Not new looking at all. I think the Breda cars are by far the nicest looking light rail trains I've ever seen.

I love that retro look!! luv 'em! Almost art-deco.

Weird. I think those new phoenix trains look like they're from the 80s. Not new looking at all. I think the Breda cars are by far the nicest looking light rail trains I've ever seen.

That award easily goes to Charlotte.

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I took the new cars and I hate the seating. It's shoulder to shoulder with the seats in there! Though the new cars are really nice, the seats feel a lot smaller than the older cars. Besides that, they're really nice.

^ Yeah, that's the general complaint people have about the new Breda cars. The Siemens cars are wider, allowing for wider seats.

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I took the new cars and I hate the seating. It's shoulder to shoulder with the seats in there! Though the new cars are really nice, the seats feel a lot smaller than the older cars. Besides that, they're really nice.


^ How is the leg room?

I've actually taken the Blue/Green Line before and there's no leg room. My knee caps were hitting the back of the seat. Not a very comfortable ride whatsoever!!!!!!

Good job LA! You guys got the better Breda cars, the ones in SF are ugly but were only recently put into place about 5 years ago. I wish Muni Metro allowed bikes but it gets too damn crowded!

^ How is the leg room?

I've actually taken the Blue/Green Line before and there's no leg room. My knee caps were hitting the back of the seat. Not a very comfortable ride whatsoever!!!!!!

The leg room is tight. I was surprised because this is a newer vehicle that they were going to use the thinner, lighter and stronger seat backs that they have on the newer buses. That adds an extra 1 1/2" of leg room without adjusting the seats.

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Yep, the cars are much more narrower and it's harder to store your bike on the train but I really like the darker feel of these new cars.

The leg room is tight. I was surprised because this is a newer vehicle that they were going to use the thinner, lighter and stronger seat backs that they have on the newer buses. That adds an extra 1 1/2" of leg room without adjusting the seats.

^ It's a tight fit, we should have ordered the American Version Fleet (bigger). Maybe we got the Asian version for smaller people...

i don't understand how the vehicles themselves can be narrower. is there a larger gap now between the platform and the train? were the platforms widened? what are the dimensions of the new cars and the old ones?

i think what's important is the use of the train and not the design. Although at most, the design comes in handy as it adds charm to train and it blends well to the beauty of LA.`

..like, we don even care if they run.. s'long as they look good, what everrrrr

i think what's important is the use of the train and not the design. Although at most, the design comes in handy as it adds charm to train and it blends well to the beauty of LA.`

Huh?

i don't understand how the vehicles themselves can be narrower. is there a larger gap now between the platform and the train? were the platforms widened? what are the dimensions of the new cars and the old ones?


The exterior width is the same, but the interior width is narrower due to thickness of the sidewalls, insulation.

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What do you think?

They both have accordion bellows in the middle but the breda car looks more like the orange line bus minus the bellows.

lawmann, is that Texas?

Compared to the Blue Line trains which are almost 20 years old.

The Blue Line trains still looks good after nearly 20 years in service.

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what was the point of getting the new cars??
the seating capacity is the same as the old cars, so it looks like a cosmetic face lift for the gold line to increase ridership.

^ A "cosmetic face lit" done to increase ridership? That's such non sequitur logic.

The new Breda cars will be used on the Expo Line once it opens and will also replace the current Siemens cars on the Gold Line, which in turn will replace the Nippon Sharyo cars on the Blue Line.

Some people are so negative about transit in LA that you can only shake your head. If the cars were old and falling apart the argument would have been against that. MTA buys new cars and the argument is critical of that. It's the BRU argument of screaming about busses lacking capacity but opposing the super long articulated because of the reduction in driver to passenger ratio. You can only turn your back in disgust, call them a stupid asshole under your breath and then walk away.

^ A "cosmetic face lit" done to increase ridership? That's such non sequitur logic.

The new Breda cars will be used on the Expo Line once it opens and will also replace the current Siemens cars on the Gold Line, which in turn will replace the Nippon Sharyo cars on the Blue Line.

I supposed that also for the Blue Line was planned the use of a new serie of cars and not "the replace of replace":ohno:

^ A "cosmetic face lit" done to increase ridership? That's such non sequitur logic.

The new Breda cars will be used on the Expo Line once it opens and will also replace the current Siemens cars on the Gold Line, which in turn will replace the Nippon Sharyo cars on the Blue Line.

http://transittalk.proboards37.com/index.cgi?board=mtapolitical&action=display&thread=541

Gold Line will get all of the new Breda Cars.
Blue Line will get the 16 current Gold Line cars and 5 Bredas.
Expo Line will get the current Blue Line cars.

Any plans to repaint the old trains? That orange stripe looks really dated. I was amazed at how much more inviting the buses looked when they went from orange and white (which shows a lot of dirt, too) to the red or orange monotone scheme.

Probably not something that would be done all at once... rather, when it comes time for a paint job for each car, they could just implement the new scheme

I have a feeling that they'll all get Breda colors, especially the old Nippon-Sharyo cars when they get transferred to Expo.

Any plans to repaint the old trains? That orange stripe looks really dated. I was amazed at how much more inviting the buses looked when they went from orange and white (which shows a lot of dirt, too) to the red or orange monotone scheme.

Probably not something that would be done all at once... rather, when it comes time for a paint job for each car, they could just implement the new scheme

A few years ago, Metro painted a few of the Blue Line trains silver and it looked so much better.

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Those do look very nice, but something about the front of that car just doesn't look right to me. I guess the cars show their age - they're definitely not Bredas.

They just need to paint the entire front ends black from the window to the Destination sign to give the appearance of a larger front end window, similar to the newer Siemens and Breda cars

I never even noticed that black paint on the Bredas. They'd look perfect with that, if not still looking a little thin. Hopefully they'll be cleaned a little too before going to Expo.

[QUOTE=soup or man;28988566]A few years ago, Metro painted a few of the Blue Line trains silver and it looked so much better.

http://images.nycsubway.org/i41000/img_41241.jpg

Is that a 2 car Blue Line train? How long ago was that?

the paint job looks great... I wonder why they haven't painted the other cars to look like that

http://transittalk.proboards37.com/index.cgi?board=mtapolitical&action=display&thread=541

Gold Line will get all of the new Breda Cars.
Blue Line will get the 16 current Gold Line cars and 5 Bredas.
Expo Line will get the current Blue Line cars.

^^ You forgot the GreenLine to nowhere Line?

Has the 210 FWY (Gold Line Extension) started?

^^ You forgot the GreenLine to nowhere Line?

Has the 210 FWY (Gold Line Extension) started?

its website says it expects to start in 2010.

so that would be a no.

^^ You forgot the GreenLine to nowhere Line?

You call the Green Line the line to nowhere? What would you call the Foothill extension?

Also, I didn't see anything mentioned about the Green Line on the memo, so I would assume that they are keeping the cars that they have now.

You call the Green Line the line to nowhere? What would you call the Foothill extension?

Also, I didn't see anything mentioned about the Green Line on the memo, so I would assume that they are keeping the cars that they have now.

same can be said about the orange line. where is it's major destination? well, that is not the point of it, and the same goes with Green Line and Foothill Extension, they are all meant more to pass many communities so people have access to rail to go to work and other places.

Am I the only one that see the Green Line as branching off of the Blue Line rather than a failed attempt to build a line from point A to point B?

I am sorry every rail line can not be like the Blue Line where both ends of it is a major city :ohno:

same can be said about the orange line. where is it's major destination?

Warner Center.

Green Line

El Segundo, LAX

Foothill Extension,

???

Am I the only one that see the Green Line as branching off of the Blue Line rather than a failed attempt to build a line from point A to point B?

I am sorry every rail line can not be like the Blue Line where both ends of it is a major city :ohno:

The Green Line actually goes through some density, like all of our lines do. The Foothill Extension really doesn't have any density or destinations.

Warner Center.



El Segundo, LAX



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The Green Line actually goes through some density, like all of our lines do. The Foothill Extension really doesn't have any density or destinations.

You are right about density. I am not really a supporter of Foothill Extension (I rather see Eastside Extension continue to Whittier instead). But as for destinations, Foothill Extension is part of the gold line which goes into union station. That's not a good enough destination? and at the other end? people's homes. Just like the Eastside Extension, it does not really have an eastern destination, but rather it is an ideal way for people to go to and from work.

After all, doesn't regional rail goes between destinations, and metro rail bring people to and from work?

^^Sure, but that's a long way to Union Station, and we have many other lines that would serve a better purpose that are waiting to be built.

San Gabriel Valley politicians are not that bright. It is the one thing i dislike about being from there. They just want stuff that benefits them.

I would not be surprise if SGV tried to detach itself from L.A. county.

Oh well, if High Speed Rail happens, there will be a high-speed link between L.A. and SGV (a stop between L.A. and Ontario Airport, which happens to be closer to my house than this foothill extension would be :D)

gold line extension through SGV has ontario, a major suburb with city-like potential with it's own regional airport with expansion potential. the density we desire will follow.

besides, we should take any rail otherwise it'll be too late and the process will take too long... purple line anybody?

the green line has destinations. just cuz it doesn't go where you want it doesn't make it useless. there are subway lines in NYC that have 2 destinations that end in "blah", but the riders are still there.

i like to think of the green line as a line that brings riders to imperial/wilmington on the blue line. it gets people out of their homes and into their choice of 2 city centers.

and the green line will have to eventually go into LAX west and that metrolink station to the east anyway.

gold line extension through SGV has ontario, a major suburb with city-like potential with it's own regional airport with expansion potential. the density we desire will follow.

besides, we should take any rail otherwise it'll be too late and the process will take too long... purple line anybody?

the green line has destinations. just cuz it doesn't go where you want it doesn't make it useless. there are subway lines in NYC that have 2 destinations that end in "blah", but the riders are still there.

i like to think of the green line as a line that brings riders to imperial/wilmington on the blue line. it gets people out of their homes and into their choice of 2 city centers.

and the green line will have to eventually go into LAX west and that metrolink station to the east anyway.

the green line better go to the metrolink station *prays*. It is like a broken system without that... and i think one of the high speed rail stops is Norwalk as well, so thats even more persuasion to extend it. Although I am not forgetting about going to LAX, that also is vital.

by the way, your argument for the foothill extension sounds more like regional rail would be better =/ I tried auguring for that thing in the past, but to be honest I ran out of reasons for needing it :ohno:

Foothill would be better as regional rail I do agree. But I'm sure some people said the same thing about the 22 mile Blue Line when being built. Remember LA's DNA is one of a collective not just one part being the City Of LA. The old trolley lines went far far farrrrrrthest than most trolley lines in the world! So it doesn't surprise me that LA would continue more or less in this same fashion. Yes, shorter efficient rail like Red, Purple, and Expo that stays pretty much in dense urban areas but also outlier lines that mimic the old trolley system going off into the vast beyond.

If there was to be a rail line going East that went through the areas with more density, that would be something to follow the 10 freeway east of downtown... the problem is, there is so little room there, that they even are having a difficult time to even add carpool lanes to the 10 there, because they have built right up to the freeway in places like Baldwin Park. (funny story here, the first In-N-Out actually used to be right in the middle of where the 10 freeway lies today, until they moved it down the street a bit :P)

Eastside extension does have more density then the Foothill extension (that is why it is currently under construction obviously), however, where it is ending right now is about where the density ends. Same with the other end of the gold line, Pasadena is about the end of noticeable density. I am not sure how the numbers, but it seems extending the gold line at either side will have it go through lesser density than it already does.

I wonder what will happen when they turn the san gabriel valley freeways' carpool names into toll lanes (that is the plan, right?), will the El Monte Busway finally be without the traffic?

the green line better go to the metrolink station *prays*. It is like a broken system without that... and i think one of the high speed rail stops is Norwalk as well, so thats even more persuasion to extend it. Although I am not forgetting about going to LAX, that also is vital.

by the way, your argument for the foothill extension sounds more like regional rail would be better =/ I tried auguring for that thing in the past, but to be honest I ran out of reasons for needing it :ohno:

there aren't many reasons, you're right, but any reason for rail (to me) is good enough reason to change our car culture ever so slowly

Just extend the Purple Line into East LA underneath Whittier. I couldn't believe how much pedestrian activity this area had when I visited. The E. Gold will place the Gold Line squarely behind the Blue Line in ridership when opened.

Just extend the Purple Line into East LA underneath Whittier. I couldn't believe how much pedestrian activity this area had when I visited. The E. Gold will place the Gold Line squarely behind the Blue Line in ridership when opened.

purple line, east LA? you mean the eastside extension of gold line? What does Purple Line has to do with that? They already are looking into extending that into Whittier. 4 possible routes has been chosen.

From SGV Tribune:

"The MTA has identified four possible routes for the train. Three would go to Whittier, and a fourth would go north of the Puente Hills.

Two routes go to Whittier via Beverly or Whittier boulevards. Those lines would use the Greenway Trail to get to Uptown and would fit two rail lines and the existing pedestrian/bicycle trail.

Another route would go further south along Washington Boulevard.

The fourth route would run along the 60 Freeway through Montebello and the Whittier Narrows area to South El Monte. "

http://www.sgvtribune.com/news/ci_11159797

Can we have all the transit discussions in the Transit Issues thread, instead?

agree.

[QUOTE=soup or man;28988566]A few years ago, Metro painted a few of the Blue Line trains silver and it looked so much better.

http://images.nycsubway.org/i41000/img_41241.jpg

Is that a 2 car Blue Line train? How long ago was that?

The copyright date should be a giveaway.

I love those Nippon Sharyo cars painted in silver. Since the Expo Line will be getting those instead of the Breda cars, I hope the rest of the Blue Line rolling stock is painted in that color scheme.

Since the Expo Line will be getting those instead of the Breda cars, I hope the rest of the Blue Line rolling stock is painted in that color scheme.

I like the silver color scheme much better too. I though the Expo Line was getting Breda cars...???