Some people say that it is Hong Kong, other people say that it is New York, these cities have the largest ammount of skyscrapers. New York has about 60 skyscrapers with more than 650 feet, Hong Kong has about 50, Shanghai has 25, Chicago and Shenzen have 20 each.

However, for low highrise buildings nobody can beat São Paulo! It has an estimated number of rougly 30.000 buildings over 12 floors! New York, Hong kong, Shanghai each have about 4-8 thousand buildings over 12 floors, with means that São Paulo has more highrises than all these cities combined....

First posted by Farrapo in the Brasilian forum:
http://img89.echo.cx/img89/3313/p1010195r9xu.jpg

http://img89.echo.cx/img89/7643/passeio223gk0qh.jpg

Taken by Caio:
http://img175.exs.cx/img175/6199/centro188vy.jpg

http://img108.exs.cx/img108/5715/centrozleste2hd.jpg

http://img96.echo.cx/img96/1015/itaim9ci.jpg

http://img91.echo.cx/img91/8135/aviao27jw.jpg

http://img7.echo.cx/img7/1313/anhangabau32fr.jpg

http://img294.echo.cx/img294/2821/republica3iu.jpg

(a bit off topic, but interesting) Also, São Paulo had a decent skyline by 1947! Only North American cities can say the same:

http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=4342edbf8944dcb3_large

http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=7f52be6d1d6ffac4_large

http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=0f54532f5ae59af1_large

Photos posted by BR 364 in the Brasilian forum.

Holy Moly what a big city!

Sao Paolo is definitely a contender to the title, together with Seoul, Shanghai and Beijing.

Im not sure about that because its average density is lower than most of those cities listed.

Sao Paulo's one of the ugliest skyscraper cities on the planet. It should probably take some lessons from the aesthetics of New York, Hong Kong, Chicago, Shanghai etc

Some people say that it is Hong Kong, other people say that it is New York, these cities have the largest ammount of skyscrapers. New York has about 60 skyscrapers with more than 650 feet, Hong Kong has about 50, Shanghai has 25, Chicago and Shenzen have 20 each.

However, for low highrise buildings nobody can beat São Paulo! It has an estimated number of rougly 30.000 buildings over 12 floors! New York, Hong kong, Shanghai each have about 4-8 thousand buildings over 12 floors, with means that São Paulo has more highrises than all these cities combined....


30,000? I thought it was 40,000 a few days ago? Seems like this is a very rough number. Indeed it is very impressive. However, unfortunately whatever "sources" you have for building counts for Shanghai, Shenzhen and other Mainland China cities are incorrect (as in under counted by thousands).

.... and the neighbour of Hong Kong.... Shenzhen....

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7435/038efbfdbq0.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/473/200807273d8a471b9fff668ai1.jpg

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/630/200807279f4a3d33f74f7adva7.jpg

(all pics posted by forumer big-dog - here http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=181902&page=16)

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/01726B3B_sXNsGCZAMjdr.jpg

Here is website with some highrise pictures of ny
http://www.skyscraperlife.com/skyscraper-rankings/17954-rate-new-york-citys-skyline.html


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/40/116998099_ee70b2ec64_o.jpg

The most high rises depends on the definition of high rise. At Emporis they use 12+ floors which seems reasonable. Hong Kong, New York, and Sao Paolo have the most according to them.

Skybean

Shenzhen has a very impressive skyline, much more impressive than São Paulo's, but as a city, Shenzhen is smaller than São Paulo. It has a large number of highrises, but it certainty cannot be compared to São Paulo's estimated 30 thousand.

Note that Emporis usually counts only the buildings that its users post on the site, and cities with a large number of low quality buildings like São Paulo tend to have a large proportion of its buildings off the counter.

City Police

Everybody knows that New York has the best skyline in the world. But it is a North American city, and North American cities tend to have a low number of hight quality skycrapers. Asian cities tend to balance between number and quality and Latin American cities (Brazil in particular) tend to have a very large number of low quality highrises.

some photos found on the web:
http://sempla.prefeitura.sp.gov.br/historico/img/2000/vista-aerea_grande.jpg
http://www.galizacig.com/avantar/files/images/sao_paulo_vista_aerea_590.jpg
http://www.portalabav.com.br/images%5Cconteudo%5CDestinos%5Cg%5C39a20bce4d3f4c9cb20285eede13daa5.jpg

Taken by GersonLDN:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b91/latinohunk/9nove/IMG_7351.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b91/latinohunk/9nove/IMG_7347.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b91/latinohunk/9nove/IMG_7349.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b91/latinohunk/9nove/IMG_7343.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b91/latinohunk/9nove/IMG_7355.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b91/latinohunk/9nove/IMG_7345.jpg

From the internet:
http://www.piratininga.org/aereas/DSC09076.jpg
http://www.piratininga.org/aereas/DSC08952.jpg

Sao Paulo's one of the ugliest skyscraper cities on the planet. It should probably take some lessons from the aesthetics of New York, Hong Kong, Chicago, Shanghai etc

Shanghai is way uglier... I mean, it has some great skyscrapers, but they are in a sea of terrible buildings. São Paulo does have a certain charm in it's sea of white concrete slabs:

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/2169111.jpg

I don't like this modern/futuristic architecture of these asian buildings.

Skybean

Shenzhen has a very impressive skyline, much more impressive than São Paulo's, but as a city, Shenzhen is smaller than São Paulo. It has a large number of highrises, but it certainty cannot be compared to São Paulo's estimated 30 thousand.

Note that Emporis usually counts only the buildings that its users post on the site, and cities with a large number of low quality buildings like São Paulo tend to have a large proportion of its buildings off the counter.

City Police

Everybody knows that New York has the best skyline in the world. But it is a North American city, and North American cities tend to have a low number of hight quality skycrapers. Asian cities tend to balance between number and quality and Latin American cities (Brazil in particular) tend to have a very large number of low quality highrises. Not to start any type of argument here but i dont see any low quality skyscrapers in any of our cities.

One word: agreed.

São Paulo is the champion for density, for visual reason at least.

Laugh at me but really, I wonder how life is gonna be like in a city with such density...

Need more pics of Sao Paulo. Looks amazing

One word: agreed.

São Paulo is the champion for density, for visual reason at least.I agree, looking at photos of the Sao Paulo skyline makes my eyes explode. That endless sea of highrises is just mind blowing.

The most high rises depends on the definition of high rise. At Emporis they use 12+ floors which seems reasonable. Hong Kong, New York, and Sao Paolo have the most according to them.On Emporis, Hong Kong has 7626 highrises listed, New York has 5593, then Sao Paulo has 5450. But I wouldn't be at all suprised if only a fraction of the highrises in Sao Paulo have been listed - the figure of 30,000 quoted by Guaporense could indeed be feasible?

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/9905/originalnewyorkau4.jpg

maybe Sao Paulo has the most highrises...but the best skyscrapercity is still NYC :cheers:

Skybean

Shenzhen...It has a large number of highrises, but it certainty cannot be compared to São Paulo's estimated 30 thousand.

Note that Emporis usually counts only the buildings that its users post on the site, and cities with a large number of low quality buildings like São Paulo tend to have a large proportion of its buildings off the counter.


How do you know that Shenzhen does not compare

Much the same as São Paulo, there are no editors in China who add buildings.
Shenzhen has at least 10 million inhabitants. Probably many more since there are millions of migrant workers who enter the city.
Hong Kong is merely a small city in China, which is fortunate to have some editors.
It is already #1 on Emporis. However, Shenzhen sprawls over much more land.

Chinese cities not known for their skyscrapers also have way more than Emporis states. Tell me, when do you hear of Beijing being a skyscraper city?

This is a small portion of Beijing from more than 5 years ago (consider how long ago this is... the entire city of Shenzhen was built about 30 years ago)
http://img71.exs.cx/img71/2393/Beijingpano_2.jpg

The fact is that there are many unknowns... Sao Paulo is indeed very impressive, but it just may not be the the city with the most highrises.

No matter if you defend Shenzhen or Sao Paulo, but I cannot understand why feeling so much pride because of having a huge amount of the ugliest buildings made by humans: those depressing white blocks :S

in 2005 alone Beijing had 3x the floorspace of Manhattans under construction in the run up to the Olympics. ^ That pic is now very, very changed, with much more dynamic architecture, a new central CBD and a whole lot of modern showpiece architecture like nowhere else (eg not included in that old shot the worlds largest train station, metro station, metro network, airport -that is the worlds largest building by floorspace -, the 2nd largest office building, largest stadia complex, arts centre, restoration project, and 2nd largest mall).

Also, another city, every year Shanghai constructs enough highrises for all the office space in NYC - 3000 and counting, predicted to be 4000 by 2010 of 18 storeys or over, to the point the city is sinking under the weight. Basically the city is facing a crisis if it doesn't build on this scale, trying to house near 1 million newcomers a year.

Sao Paulo is a crazy city! I read somewhere that rich people travel around there by helicopter instead of by car.

How do you know that Shenzhen does not compare

Much the same as São Paulo, there are no editors in China who add buildings.
Shenzhen has at least 10 million inhabitants. Probably many more since there are millions of migrant workers who enter the city.
Hong Kong is merely a small city in China, which is fortunate to have some editors.
It is already #1 on Emporis. However, Shenzhen sprawls over much more land.

Chinese cities not known for their skyscrapers also have way more than Emporis states. Tell me, when do you hear of Beijing being a skyscraper city?

This is a small portion of Beijing from more than 5 years ago (consider how long ago this is... the entire city of Shenzhen was built about 30 years ago)

The fact is that there are many unknowns... Sao Paulo is indeed very impressive, but it just may not be the the city with the most highrises.

1- Maybe. But Shenzen doesn't have the same number of buildings that São Paulo has right now. From these photos Beijing looks like to have more buildings than Shenzhen.

2- São Paulo is, right now, larger than any Chinese city. This is certainty going to change in the future. With means that in about 20 years I think that some chinese city like Shanghai will have more highrises.

3- Hong Kong is the third largest city in China after Beijing and Shanghai. And it is the first in GDP and number of highrises.

São Paulo is probably the largest city in the world when you combine a density of 30.000 people per square mile with a total urban area population of 20 million (maybe Tokyo beats it).

A comparison of the cities of São Paulo, Hong Kong, Shenzhen, New York and Shanghai from a altitude of 90 km:
http://i451.photobucket.com/albums/qq235/guaporense/NovaImagemdeBitmap2.jpg?t=1228077259

A better image of Shanghai with a more defined urban area:
http://geology.com/world-cities/shanghai-china.jpg

New York, New York

São Paulo is probably the largest city in the world when you combine a density of 30.000 people per square mile with a total urban area population of 20 million (maybe Tokyo beats it).


Tokyo urban population 28 million+ (CSA 34 million)
Seoul urban population 22 million (CSA 26 million)
Mexico City urban population 21 million (CSA 26 million)
Shanghai urban population 20 million (some say 23 million), CSA - noone has any idea, Shanghai-Wuxi-Suzhou alone holds 40 million, the Yangtze River Delta cities as a whole 80 million

Tokyo urban population 28 million+ (CSA 34 million)
Seoul urban population 22 million (CSA 26 million)
Mexico City urban population 21 million (CSA 26 million)
Shanghai urban population 20 million (some say 23 million), CSA - noone has any idea, Shanghai-Wuxi-Suzhou alone holds 40 million, the Yangtze River Delta cities as a whole 80 million

What a mean't was that São Paulo had the most impressive combination of population and density. Not that it was the most populous urban area in the world....

Simple, these massive urban centres are not a single continuous urban area in the same sense as São Paulo, brazilian cities are unique in the sense that they are have an extremely dense continuous urban area. I think that only Tokio has a larger continuous urban area which a density of at least 20.000 per square mile than São Paulo, if you know what a mean.

Another cool images:
http://www.planetaeventos.com/01/brazilian_times/BR_SAO_PAULO/IMAGENS/AERIAL.jpg
http://i451.photobucket.com/albums/qq235/guaporense/Sampa.jpg?t=1228098861

http://www.munimadrid.es/UnidadWeb/Contenidos/EspecialInformativo/RelacInternac/UCCI/CiudadesUCCI/SaoPaulo.bmp

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1364/1008165104_3318d48aaf_o.jpg

oh god, ny skyscrapers are so bulky. they just exude mass which is totally out of fashion.

http://img71.exs.cx/img71/2393/Beijingpano_2.jpg


Impressive, now the equivalent for São Paulo:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/Brazil_-_SP.jpg

A classic ugly building (the largest building in Brazil by floor area):

http://hatw.net/rep/images/Sao%20Paulo_jpg.jpg

Google Aerials are deceiving. Any built area regardless of building height (single-story lowrise) will show up as part of the urban aerial.

3- Hong Kong is the third largest city in China after Beijing and Shanghai. And it is the first in GDP and number of highrises.

Hong Kong is far from the third largest city in China. Shenzhen and Guangzhou at least are larger cities (urban area population-wise).
Hong Kong is first in GDP yes, but that has little to do with number of highrises. I highly doubt it has the highest highrise count either.
Having been to Shanghai and Shenzhen, from my experience both dwarf Hong Kong.

3 year old photo
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/23/32543036_3e547fe0e7_o.jpg

source: http://www.flickr.com/photos/90933305@N00/32543036

from flickr

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3005/2313867279_be1f6abfac_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2316/2314680478_b599321bcf_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2386/2313866799_a8d5380881_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/138/380323196_1de67c4d68_o.jpg


It's difficult to count the true population of many Mainland China cities as well due to a large migrant worker population.
It is estimated that there are at least 4 million unregistered migrant workers in Shanghai, putting its population well over 20 million.

Google Aerials are deceiving. Any built area regardless of building height (single-story lowrise) will show up as part of the urban aerial.

That's true. But from the aerial photos of São Paulo you can see that large sections of the urban area are covered with thousands of 15 story apartment blocks.

Shanghai is pretty amazing. However, from these aerial pictures of Shanghai a got the impression that this city doesn't have a very high density of highrises. I think that Hong Kong has more high rise buildings, but you cannot see them because they are in front of each other, giving the impression that Shaghai with it's 4 thousand buildings has more than Hong Kong's 8 thousand.

Shenzhen and Shanghai are very young skyscraper cities, they do not had the time to build very dense. New York, Hong Kong and São Paulo (with larger ones in New York and small one in São Paulo) have a very dense concentration of buildings in the center (and the rest of city for Hong Kong and São Paulo).

This is how a think that these cities stack:

1- Hong Kong - Emporis say's that the city has 7,626 highrises, probably has about 8 thousand

2- São Paulo - Emporis: 5,453, Total probable number: 30.000-40.000

3- Shanghai - Emporis: 940 , Total probable number: 3.000-4.000

4- Shenzhen - Emporis: 347 , Total probable number: ~2.000

5- New York - Emporis: 5,597 (more than any mainland chinese city)

Do you have some estimates for the number of skycrapers in Shanghai and Shenzhen that put the total number of highrises in the 50.000s? Because 3 thousand is way smaller than São Paulo's 30/40.000s.

Some photos with hundreds of highrises (thousands?) in each photo, from http://www.piratininga.org/aereas/airphotos.htm:

http://www.piratininga.org/aereas/DSC08952.jpg
http://www.piratininga.org/aereas/DSC08951.jpg
http://www.piratininga.org/aereas/DSC09076.jpg
http://www.piratininga.org/aereas/DSC09051.jpg
Same ugly building from before:
http://www.piratininga.org/aereas/DSC09026.jpg

I don't know where you get "total probable number" from. Emporis shouldn't even be a baseline anchor to extrapolate numbers from. It is incomplete for Mainland Chinese cities. I wouldn't even bother to put in a guess as it would be foolish. Much the same as putting up random numbers for Sao Paulo.

The age of a city is totally irrelevant. "Don't have time to build very dense"? Look at Shenzhen. The building rate in China is completely different than that of North America / South America.

30 years ago.
http://www.painting-room.com/images/ShenzhenAt25YearsBefore.jpg

http://www.painting-room.com/images/Some%20people%20was%20moving%20in.jpg

Today
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7435/038efbfdbq0.jpg

If you have been spending time on this forum for any time, you would know that China is building like crazy and has been for more than 20 years.

This year alone, Shanghai will complete towers with more space for living and working than there is in all the office buildings in New York City.

That is in a city that already has 4,000 skyscrapers, almost double the number in New York. And there are designs to build 1,000 more by the end of
this decade.

source: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/18/business/worldbusiness/18bubble.html


^^ "Skyscrapers" above 20 floors.

I am beginning to see this discussion as becoming a futile effort with me merely restating points that I made in earlier posts.

I don't know where you get "total probable number" from. Emporis shouldn't even be a baseline anchor to extrapolate numbers from. It is incomplete for Mainland Chinese cities. I wouldn't even bother to put in a guess as it would be foolish. Much the same as putting up random numbers for Sao Paulo.

1- The only way to really say that one city has a largest amount of highrises is to count the number of buildings.

2- 40.000/30.000 is not a random number. It an estimated number, not a guess. Why you would think it is a guess? From the photos you can clearly see that São Paulo has a sea of buildings.

The age of a city is totally irrelevant. "Don't have time to build very dense"? Look at Shenzhen. The building rate in China is completely different than that of North America / South America.

A did the inverse induction. Looking at Shenzhen you do not see São Paulo like density. The buildings are spread out. A think thats natural for young cities to spread its first skyscrapers and them fill the spaces, that's what happened to New York. And that's what is going to happen in Shenzhen and Shanghai.



If you have been spending time on this forum for any time, you would know that China is building like crazy and has been for more than 20 years.


^^ "Skyscrapers" above 20 floors.

I am beginning to see this discussion as becoming a futile effort with me merely restating points that I made in earlier posts.

1- China is building a loot, however this only means that in the future they will have more new buildings than São Paulo. But since they are building huge skycrapers, the new floor area will be concentrated in few large buildings while São Paulo has (and is building) small 15 story buildings and second to emporis (with is imperfect, but is some source, isn't it?) São Paulo is building more highrises than any chinese city now. You cannot see these new buildings from the photos I posted because they are being build in other, less dense, areas of the city (the "skyscraper area" of São Paulo is much larger than any other city in the world).

2- Well, if the 4 thousand number is for skysrapers over 20 floors (a heard 18 in one time, now it's 20?). I think that we need to find some source for all buildings over 12 floors in these cities to see how they fare compared to São Paulo's tens of thousands highrises.

But from the photos you can see much more buildings in São Paulo, and they are much more densely packed. The chinese cities are impressive not only because of number, but because of the large average size of the buildings. However, look at Pudong, here we have about 100 buildings, while a section of the same area of São Paulo's paulista avenue has several times the number of buildings. They are way smaller, but that's not count in the total number of highrises.

Tokyo urban population 28 million+ (CSA 34 million)
Seoul urban population 22 million (CSA 26 million)
Mexico City urban population 21 million (CSA 26 million)
Shanghai urban population 20 million (some say 23 million), CSA - noone has any idea, Shanghai-Wuxi-Suzhou alone holds 40 million, the Yangtze River Delta cities as a whole 80 million

:yes:

god !sao paulo looks amazing
but i dont like so much building


:S

3- Shanghai - Emporis: 940 , Total probable number: 3.000-4.000

should be 13,000-15,000

Guangzhou, a much smaller Chinese city, had 7,000+ hi-rises(18+ floors, incl. 360 100m+ buildings) by the end of 2005,Shanghai should have more.

source:

http://property.wswire.com/htmlnews/2005/11/29/624698.htm

in China, buildings<18 floors are called "小高层" (tall buildings), not hi-rises.

if it comes to skyscrapes and a skyline, it has to be an homogeneous array or density in my oppinion. like atlanta, frankfurt , london or similiar cities.

i really dislike cities with excessive , opressing and crushing skylines, not to mention that theyre all look the same in some .... erm i mean in every way.

its like in a stuffed matchbox.

new york has a special status in my oppinion and constitutes an exception.
a ton of skyscrapers, sure, but the highrises are limited to manhattan, and there are a good bunch of brilliant and characteristic art deco buildings with their stone/iron frontages , and much less boring and average glassed buildings.

i really prefer good quality over quantity in this case.

Compare this photo of Shanghai:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2316/2314680478_b599321bcf_o.jpg

In these photos we can see hundreds of highrises with a pretty tall average height. While in São Paulo you can see thousands of small highrises:

(from the São Paulo, the Megalopolis Tread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=2513150

http://static.flickr.com/44/117806746_06f7912e3c_b.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/26/67309567_3cb554b935_b.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/33/67309564_d496dd27e3_b.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/31/67304053_d22ec3c38e_b.jpg
http://www.pulsarimagens.com.br/bancoImagens/12DM429.jpg
http://www.pulsarimagens.com.br/bancoImagens/12DM436.jpg
http://www.pulsarimagens.com.br/bancoImagens/12DM176.jpg

What about this one:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2386/2313866799_a8d5380881_o.jpg

Compared to this:
Taken by GersonLDN
http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/7817/img2998xlpt1.jpg

well..both cities are very impressing..but also very ugly :ohno:
can't imagine to live in such a city

They arent ugly.

Look again at these pics, the reason the city looks brown are the thousands of old buildings below the highrise towers, with brown roofs:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2316/2314680478_b599321bcf_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2386/2313866799_a8d5380881_o.jpg

close up, you can see the old buildings better:

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/9326/2138969342a0586c53eaopd9.jpg

note in between the towers its carpeted with old buildings:

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/3453/kyokoted3qzk0sxsua1wwen1.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3226/2657668982_84c56f238a_b.jpg

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/6756/20070826ace849a9b42b5d9va3.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/8498/emisk5iqxh3.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3083/2574876104_c28fc8a105_b.jpg

http://boxstr.com/files/3715140_frci8/%E4%B8%8A%E6%B5%B7HHH-1%20%287%29.jpg


at night it gets better, Bladerunner eat your heart out

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http://farm1.static.flickr.com/139/326029301_2a1fd19aa6_b.jpg

http://img.album.pchome.net/00/00/12/69/034904d3643d9b521bebf10f37994188.jpg

http://i3.6.cn/cvbnm/f7/f2/5c/db8e6def50e1922d4e089ba97ce51fde.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3066/2957295662_2bac5af8d6_o.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3044/2956451773_9203a9b15b_o.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1195/537350642_2ce33ed865_b.jpg

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1161/rojamdm1.jpg

http://img.album.pchome.net/00/00/12/69/139f6d31d508ac936d0b3872e2345029.JPG

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3019/2957296150_3fb3734091_o.jpg


http://img.album.pchome.net/00/00/12/69/19c68d4f16844ca230b2a8e93e328e6a.JPG

wow, crazy cities!
mm for me sao paulo beats ny easily so:

in the american continent:
1 sao paulo
2 ny
3 chicago
4 toronto
5 mexico city /L.A.

outside american conticent:

1 sao paulo/shangai
2 hong kong
3 ny

those would be the most powerful

apparently, none of you have been to Milwaukee. We have a 5,000 ft. tower surrounded by 2,000 footers.

1- New York is the most impressive city in the world.

2- São Paulo and Shanghai look like crap next to it.

3- A found Shanghai more impressive than São Paulo, even though São Paulo has much more highrises (as can be seem from the aerial photos).

4- The only thing cool about São Paulo's "skyline" is the density and number of buildings. The average quality of the buildings is very low.

Have you been to Shanghai?

well i dont know why sao paulo you say have more highrises than ny when ny is way more dense. NYC highrises are mostly in manhattan but we have them all over the city. In Manhattan there are high rises in the neighborhoods Midtown to Lower Manhattan, Upper west side, Upper East Side, Yorkville, Harlem, and washington heights(basically almost every neighborhood in Manhattan). There are also highrises in brooklyn, queens and the bronx

west side mexico city:

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ups and i forgot to add tokyo and maybe seoul on my list in my early post:D

I'm amazed with Sampa's high-rise density. But why is it the city does not construct any high-rises 700 ft or above. The tallest building in the city is certainly not that tall.

wow, crazy cities!
mm for me sao paulo beats ny easily so:

in the american continent:
1 sao paulo
2 ny
3 chicago
4 toronto
5 mexico city /L.A.


Toronto doesn't have as many high rises as Sao Paolo or New York, but it has a lot more than Chicago. Chicago has a greater number of tall high rises than Toronto, but not as many over all. Toronto has about twice as many.

Wanch, São Paulo needs some tall buildings. Several 800-900 feet buildings would be very healthy for the bland "skyline" of the city.

well..both cities are very impressing..but also very ugly :ohno:
can't imagine to live in such a city

i prefer to live in Brasília than São Paulo :ohno:

wow, crazy cities!
mm for me sao paulo beats ny easily so:

in the american continent:
1 sao paulo
2 ny
3 chicago
4 toronto
5 mexico city /L.A.

outside american conticent:

1 sao paulo/shangai
2 hong kong
3 ny

those would be the most powerful

i think shanghai has the largest amount of highrises

wow, crazy cities!
mm for me sao paulo beats ny easily so:

in the american continent:
1 sao paulo
2 ny
3 chicago
4 toronto
5 mexico city /L.A.

outside american conticent:

1 sao paulo/shangai
2 hong kong
3 ny

those would be the most powerful
Hong kong does not

Wanch, São Paulo needs some tall buildings. Several 800-900 feet buildings would be very healthy for the bland "skyline" of the city.

Mirante do Vale is currently the tallest building in Sampa but its only 558 feet

There are some modern ones I saw along the river but forgot the name of the skyscrapers. Alot of Sampa skyscrapers are not just bland but also bombed. pichação is a problem in this city

http://www.graffiti.org/osgemeos/stonesaopaulo4.jpg

Hong kong does not

probably

probably


People tend to think that all the buildings out side the main cluster of skyscrapers are low rises. If you look close at these pictures you may think the buildings that stick out are the only high rises but look closely at the lower ones and estimate how many floors they are. They are surly above 12 floors It looks like we dont have alot because they are so dense, close to each other. Manhattan has 70,000 people per sq mi. look at all the buildings in between the big tall ones. They are not low rise.


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I think Sao Paulo is very impressive and wins on number of highrises, but proper skyscrapers + highrises would go to Shanghai.

Why has Sao Paulo got so relatively few skyscrapers? What is the business / office demographics for the city like?, and what are the plans for the future? Surely with Brazil coming up in BRIC, are we going to see a skyrise CBD?

Sao Paulo have an internacional airport in "middle" of the city, and because this the height of structures are limited according to the city area...there are some airports in metro area of Sao Paulo, and is planned to build a new one and deactivate Congonhas airport

1- Hong Kong - Emporis say's that the city has 7,626 highrises, probably has about 8 thousand

2- São Paulo - Emporis: 5,453, Total probable number: 30.000-40.000

3- Shanghai - Emporis: 940 , Total probable number: 3.000-4.000

4- Shenzhen - Emporis: 347 , Total probable number: ~2.000

5- New York - Emporis: 5,597 (more than any mainland chinese city)

What kind of bullshit made-up list is this? These are your estimates based on pictures from SSC, or what? :lol:

Sao Paolo is probably the city that currently has the highest amount of highrises. Although, several Chinese cities will overtake it in the upcoming decade.
The cities with the most highrises in the world should be Seoul, Sao Paolo, Beijing and Shanghai (in no particular order).

I don't get why cities like Chicago or Toronto are even mentioned in a thread like this. They might rank decently on Emporis because of the sole fact that there are no editors to add buildings from a majority of developing countries, particularly China. There are probably 25-30, if not more, cities in mainland China that have more highrises (+12) than Toronto or Chicago. Add to that other Asian cities such as Bangkok and Tokyo.

Interestingly, whilst it doesn't have a continuous build up as Sao Paolo does, would Mumbai be a contender?

What kind of bullshit made-up list is this? These are your estimates based on pictures from SSC, or what? :lol:

Sao Paolo is probably the city that currently has the highest amount of highrises. Although, several Chinese cities will overtake it in the upcoming decade.
The cities with the most highrises in the world should be Seoul, Sao Paolo, Beijing and Shanghai (in no particular order).

I don't get why cities like Chicago or Toronto are even mentioned in a thread like this. They might rank decently on Emporis because of the sole fact that there are no editors to add buildings from a majority of developing countries, particularly China. There are probably 25-30, if not more, cities in mainland China that have more highrises (+12) than Toronto or Chicago. Add to that other Asian cities such as Bangkok and Tokyo.

when it all comes down to it the only city in america that can even be on the top of that list is new york city i mean theres nothing but skyscarpers and highrises all over the place

In Moscow 2114 highrises

That video posted in other tread is a very interesting show of São Paulo apparent infinite number of highrises:
Landing in the megalopolis! ( Awesome vid) :eek:

qC-bHySCB8E

Planes fly low on that city:

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/8006/sampavspsr7.jpg

And a large version of a previos posted pic:
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Here's a small list with some cities I made a few days ago ;)

I thought it was fun to look this up. I looked at every city diagram of the following cities on Skyscraperpage.

The information of the status (u/c or proposed) is from Skyscraperpage. It's possible that something is missing (a diagram of a building).

Rotterdam
50m - 100m = 97
U/C 50m - 100m = 18
Proposed 50m - 100m = 7
100m - 200m = 15
U/C 100m - 200m = 2
Proposed 100m - 200m = 9
200m+ = 0
U/C 200m+ = 0
Proposed 200m+ = 2

Frankfurt
50m - 100m = 118
U/C 50m - 100m = 1
Proposed 50m - 100m = 1
100m - 200m = 22
U/C 100m - 200m = 4
Proposed 100m - 200m = 7
U/C 200m = 0
200m+ = 4
Proposed 200m+ = 3 (including 300m+)

Warsaw
50m - 100m = 70
U/C 50m - 100m = 5
Proposed 50m - 100m = 3
100m - 200m = 15
U/C 100m - 200m = 2
Proposed 100m - 200m = 11
200m+ = 2
U/C 200m+ = 0
Proposed 200m+ = 5

Madrid
50m - 100m = 100
U/C 50m - 100m = 2
Proposed 50m - 100m = 2
100m - 200m = 12
U/C 100m - 200m = 2
Proposed 100m - 200m = 0
200m+ = 4
U/C 200m+ = 0
Proposed 200m+ = 0

London
50m - 100m = 422
U/C 50m - 100m = 9
Proposed 50m - 100m = 30
100m - 200m = 33
U/C 100m - 200m = 6
Proposed 100m - 200m = 33
200m+ = 1
U/C 200m+ = 4
Proposed 200m+ = 5

Paris
50m - 100m = 350
U/C 50m - 100m = 0
Proposed 50m - 100m = 2
100m - 200m = 71
U/C 100m - 200m = 1
Proposed 100m - 200m = 3
200m+ = 1
U/C 200m+ = 1
Proposed 200m+ = 6

(Hong Kong has 104 buildings between 50-100m and 306 between 100-200m. New York has 2,513 buildings between 50-100m and 604 between 100-200m.)

(Hong Kong has 104 buildings between 50-100m and 306 between 100-200m. New York has 2,513 buildings between 50-100m and 604 between 100-200m.)

yes, in terms of # of diagrams.

Shanghai, cheers to Staff.

Bear in mind this is just the Puxi side, the Pudong half is mostly out of shot:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3492/3188872395_1f4ac7e2d5_b.jpg

^^
Very nice photo. Proof of why I believe Shanghai is one of the top contenders.


I don't get why cities like Chicago or Toronto are even mentioned in a thread like this. They might rank decently on Emporis because of the sole fact that there are no editors to add buildings from a majority of developing countries, particularly China. There are probably 25-30, if not more, cities in mainland China that have more highrises (+12) than Toronto or Chicago. Add to that other Asian cities such as Bangkok and Tokyo.

Agree.

yes, in terms of # of diagrams.

Agree.

Sao Paulo has the most high rise buildings

the most impressive pic of this thread is this (imo)

http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=4342edbf8944dcb3_large

sao paulo already had an amazing skyline in the forties.

(btw is that a comet gowing down on the city in the upper right?)

I would have to say New York city has the most skyscrapers.. after that it would probabaly be Chicago, and then dubai etc

Shanghai has over 3000 buildings over 400ft, planned to rise to 4000 by 2010.

I´m a Sao Paulo resident and i personally think that the 30.000-40.000 number for highrises for Sao Paulo is utopic.
Considering that a building must have at least 11 floors to be considered a highrise, Emporí´s statistics seem to be almost accurate, putting Hong Kong first, Sao Paulo second and New York third:

(comp - completed; u/c - under construction)
Hong Kong - comp: 6453 u/c: 114 Total: 6567
Sao Paulo - comp: 5428 u/c: 577 Total: 6005
New York - completed: 5344 u/c: 163 Total:5507
Singapore - completed: 4077 u/c: 174 Total: 4251
Seoul - completed: 2776 u/c: 23 Total:2799
Rio de Janeiro - completed: 2370 u/c 120 Total:2490
Tokyo - completed: 2345 u/c: 28 Total:2373
Istambul - completed: 2100 u/c: 196 Total: 2296
Moscow - completed: 1973 u/c: 80Total: 2053
Buenos Aires - completed: 1647 u/c: 52 Total: 1699

But, considering low-rises, or buildings with more than 4 floors, then the number for Sao Paulo is definetely more than 30.000. I remember that in July of 2008 (last year) the City Hall published a pool about buildings security in a famous brazilian newsmagazine (Veja) and they stated that there were, at that time, 32.000 buildings in the city, counting low and high rises. And there are new buildings under construction all over the city, (not only in two or three key zones), what makes the building density of this city something really impressive.

As for the skyscrapers, taking again the Emporis statistics, that consider them as buildings with more than 80m (35 floors), probably Sao Paulo does not appear among the top 10, ranking somewhere between 13-16th.

Interesting to notice that, although there are height restrictions in the biggest brazilian cities (and the lack of tall buildings), Brazil is the only country with two cities among the ten, proving that the building business is booming here, despite those law limitations.

And correcting the information above, Shangai has 1196 completed buildings and 121 under construction (Total: 1317), taking the 14th place overall, but most of them are really big skyscrapers higher than 200 m

I dont get it where is Shanghai? All these news sources reference Emporis


International Herald Tribune, 2005, http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/18/business/boom.php:

"This year alone, Shanghai will complete towers with more space for living and working than there is in all the office buildings in New York City. That will happen in a city that already has 4,000 skyscrapers, almost double the number in New York. And there are designs to build 1,000 more by the end of this decade."


Bloomberg 2005, http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aNBlpA5LzFUM&refer=news_index

"Shanghai, the nation's commercial capital, built 6,704 towers of 11 or more stories since 1990, city government figures for 2004 show -- 4,312 of them in the past five years. New York has 5,467 buildings of 12 stories or more, according to Emporis."

OhMyNews, http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?menu=c10400&no=255010&rel_no=1

"Shanghai already has 4,000 skyscrapers, almost double than in New York. As if all this were not enough, there are projected to be about 1,000 more by the end of the decade."

ok, I´ve got your point. Checking those articles also confused me for a while.

According to Emporis, Shangai is in 14th place with 1196 completed and 121 u/c - Total:1317.

I strongly believe that IHT and Ohmynews information is incorrect. How can Shangai have 2 times the number of NY´s buildings ? only 2000 skyscrapers for NY ? No way.

Probably their sources are counting lowrises too, or they´re counting all the buildings inside Shangai´s metropolitan area (which includes some other cities), that would explain the numbers.

Anyway, I do agree that Shangai has a beautiful and impressive skyline, but unlike Hong Kong, NY and Sao Paulo, most of their investment in highrises are concentrated in very few regions, while in those other cities you can find highrises almost everywhere.

PS.: I know that many people doubt about Emporis´ statistics, but I believe it´s the most accurate source of statistics about construction in the internet, since they count with the support of many companies around the world to get all data.

oh, I forgot to mention, but in those articles they used Emporis just as a reference for data about NYC, not Shangai. They surely got Shangai´s data from somewhere else (or from the Government of China, who knows?)

I´ve just send an email to Emporis reporting this, let´s wait and see what they have to say about Shangai

This thread's point, if I understand correctly, is to measure the average skyline height of a city, meaning (the sum of the height of all the buildings)/(the number of all the buildings). This might be quite interesting indeed, I suggest going here to :http://www.diserio.com/top15-skylines.html

I strongly believe that IHT and Ohmynews information is incorrect. How can Shangai have 2 times the number of NY´s buildings ?


Shanghai probably has more than 2 times the number of buildings NY has. Anyone who has been to both cities will notice the difference easily. Unfortunately this is the common idea people have. I guess Emporis is the most authoritative source currently, even though it is far from correct.


Anyway, I do agree that Shangai has a beautiful and impressive skyline, but unlike Hong Kong, NY and Sao Paulo, most of their investment in highrises are concentrated in very few regions, while in those other cities you can find highrises almost everywhere.


Shanghai has highrises everywhere. Over a much larger area than NY or Hong Kong.

Anyway, I do agree that Shangai has a beautiful and impressive skyline, but unlike Hong Kong, NY and Sao Paulo, most of their investment in highrises are concentrated in very few regions, while in those other cities you can find highrises almost everywhere.


mate, have you seen the pics? Also check out Shanghai on Google Earth, the highrises stretch all over the place, right to the very outskirts,
which are almost exclusively new and highrise.

Basically the city grows by nearly a million a year, 2500 people a day that need to be housed. In effect Shanghai builds more highrise space
than all the office space in NYC, every year - its a nightmare. The city is now sinking under the weight of the buildings.

This is a fraction of Shanghai - bear in mind the building in the top right is the tallest completed roof in the world,
and the shorter one in front of it is taller than the Empire State Building:

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Check out the highrises in the distance, the city centre looking out to the city boundaries.
(Note the highrises are alot wider and bigger than SPs, for scale the pyramidal roof at centre is 934ft high):

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/3453/kyokoted3qzk0sxsua1wwen1.jpg

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vice versa

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3226/2657668982_84c56f238a_b.jpg

click here and check out this development of about 50 highrise blocks, then zoom out and note how many more similar developments around there are, and also how far from the centre it is. Note: You'd only need 20 of these style of developments to have built 1000 highrises:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=shanghai&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=50.424342,99.052734&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=31.29962,121.531019&spn=0.006701,0.012091&z=17&iwloc=addr

similarly on the new Pudong side, this 'small' development has over 100 highrises, you'd only need 10 of these.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=shanghai&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=50.424342,99.052734&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=31.229005,121.551962&spn=0.013413,0.024183&z=16&iwloc=addr



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Another source that references Emporis.

New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/18/business/worldbusiness/18bubble.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&ei=5035&en=8a2cef52b40f7968&ex=1216008000&partner=MARKETWATCH

"The city says it now has more than 4,000 skyscrapers - buildings 18 stories or higher - far more than New York, according to Emporis, a global real estate research group based in Germany."

^I think I get it now. These references to Emporis are for NYC data. The data for Shanghai must be from the Shanghai City council.

I think Emporis, relying on diagrams submitted by internet enthusiasts, is a good authority for buildings in NYC. However I don't think it is a good one for Shanghai, not just that Shanghaiites aren't too familiar with Emporis, based in Germany, but the fact Shanghai builds more highrise space every year than all of NYC office space combined. It is just too changeable.

Yes, I agree in this point. Emporis is a great source about NY´s data but definetely not about Shangai´s data. That´s why I´m going to write them questioning those numbers.

Interesting to notice is that, in the Emporis page about Shangai, they say that the City Council reported that there are 6000 buldings in the city, but they seem to avoid registering these numbers because they couldn´t find any kind of statistics from a private building company or profesional to confirmed them. So, I believe that the number correspond, actually, to all building including lowrises.

With no safe resourses, It´s actually impossible for me to state either one or another. I´m just pointing out what I think, from the data i´ve got.

But I have to say that, taking the first picture as a reference, that area would correspond only to downtown Sao Paulo, which is just one of the regions of Sao Paulo where there are many buildings. Berrini, Vila Olimpia, Tatuape, Barra Funda, Pinheiros, Vila Mariana, Belem, Vila Prudente, Freguesia do Ó etc. are just some of other paulistan regions where there are lots and lots of buildings, all of them rather far from downtown. Shangai surely would be among the top 10 in number of highrises, but wouldn´t surpass Hong Kong or Sao Paulo.

Notice, though, that Shangai has a lot of tall building, while Sao Paulo don´t.

In terms of highrises I think Shanghai is on a par with HK (considering also its more than 3x bigger) but behind SP (lets say 7000 highrises versus 30,000). In terms of taller buildings, depending on the criteria -lets say buildings over 400ft, Shanghai comes out tops.

Another source that references Emporis.

New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/18/business/worldbusiness/18bubble.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&ei=5035&en=8a2cef52b40f7968&ex=1216008000&partner=MARKETWATCH

"The city says it now has more than 4,000 skyscrapers - buildings 18 stories or higher - far more than New York, according to Emporis, a global real estate research group based in Germany."

^I think I get it now. These references to Emporis are for NYC data. The data for Shanghai must be from the Shanghai City council.

I think Emporis, relying on diagrams submitted by internet enthusiasts, is a good authority for buildings in NYC. However I don't think it is a good one for Shanghai, not just that Shanghaiites aren't too familiar with Emporis, based in Germany, but the fact Shanghai builds more highrise space every year than all of NYC office space combined. It is just too changeable.

those articles have to be inacurate its not 2005 its 2009. We need updated info for that. also in alot of the pics of shanghai not only proves that there is definite number cause u may think ny does not have alot but the space between each building in ny compared to shangai is a big difference. In ny why you have eachhighrise /skyscraper right next to each other. In manhattan you have 72,000 people per square mile and you are saying theres not alot of highrises. where are all these people going to stay. The space in between each building in shanghai is very very wide. and the have there buildings out in a long area og mostly land when nyc has small compact space. examples of proximity


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yep update-wise I would hazard Shanghai has skyrocketed, with hundreds more highrises than in 2005, and widening the gap - unless of course NYC has doubled its highrises in the last 4 years, whilst Shanghai has built nothing for its extra 3 million inhabitants.

I dont get why we're talking population density, as highrises don't actually correlate highrise densities with population densities. For example the densest part of Manhattan being Chinatown, that counts up to 121,000 per sq mile, and which isn't very highrise compared to the rest of the island. Similarly, note how dense the north of Manhattan is, even without the highrises:

http://static.flickr.com/71/223187221_d959509d3b_o.jpg

The same with Shanghai, the population stats for central Shanghai from 1998 - once again before the highrises:

By district, per sq. mile:

Huangpu 142,343

Nanshi 147,007

Luwan 118,328

Jingan 126,905

Hongkou 88,297

Zhabei 60,806

(Total Land area 31.2 sq miles)

If anything, some of these densities have gone down as many dense lowrise neighbourhoods are replaced by tracts of office blocks and shops^, whilst the new outskirts are chock block with tracts of highrise estates of over 100 towers in one development.

However I think your argument is that in NYC the highrises are closer together? And that there are more of them but they're hidden due to proximity? - Am I right?

If there be the case that thousands of NYC highrises are missing off Emporis data (even more so than Shanghai's paltry 500+ tally), and that the Shanghai Urban Planning Council is blatantly fabricating year on year, to every news source and data request, on 7000+ nonexistent buildings, then it would be the case that NYC has more highrises.

Thing is neither of us can prove either argument.

New York wins that award

btw, building density of Shanghai. This is taken from outside the centre looking in, from the top of the Lupu Bridge.
Most of the highrise apartment blocks in the foreground won't appear as highrise from the air (see following pic):

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/138/380323196_1de67c4d68_o.jpg

the above picture is mostly covered by the red area below, with yellow peeping above the horizon

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No cities can even match Shanghai or Hong Kong, not even now and 100% sure not in a few years. I mean what the hell, China has more than half a billion people still rural (600million), not USA or Mexican or Japanese city can even catch them up, with the rate they build up, every info you bring is already outdated

No cities can even match Shanghai or Hong Kong, not even now and 100% sure not in a few years. I mean what the hell, China has more than half a billion people still rural (600million), not USA or Mexican or Japanese city can even catch them up, with the rate they build up, every info you bring is already outdated

hmm doesnt that mean that they cant catch up to us. Yes hey are building alot but most of them look the same, barely have an architecture, and the fact that huge amounts of that population is in poverty makes you would think that they have along way to go. All the bulding in ny is high quality and standard of living. Most of are buildings are different in any way and since the standards and qualiy are high rules and regulations differ and everything is more expensive in America especially NY. How much do you think that HK and Shang to in affect neighbor hood wise.

^^I thought quantity was the subject of this thread, not quality, because under that respect, I have a few dozen European cities to put on top...

^^
The topic is about the number of highrises, not about how good they look...

And chinese cities will dominate the world in number of buildings over 12 floors.

Probably now, Hong Kong, Shanghai and Chongqing are in top 6. (the others are New York, Tokyo and Sao Paulo)

^^I thought quantity was the subject of this thread, not quality, because under that respect, I have a few dozen European cities to put on top...

i know that but it doesnt take much effort to build something thats crappy, no offense, but when u have quality its more effort and money which means alot cant be built and NY has a whole lot of high quality high rises so your not really beating us cause we can have a whole bunch of effortless buildings and if we did that we would have a lot more buildings than anybody in the world but thats not going to happen.

i know that but it doesnt take much effort to build something thats crappy, no offense, but when u have quality its more effort and money which means alot cant be built and NY has a whole lot of high quality high rises so your not really beating us cause we can have a whole bunch of effortless buildings and if we did that we would have a lot more buildings than anybody in the world but thats not going to happen.




100% agreed!!


i live in sao paulo and I'd love to see more beatiful buldings ;)
lol no way to compare NY or Hong Kong with Sao Paulo....maybe we have more building but what does it mean if many of them are old and horrible? nothin...

100% agreed!!


i live in sao paulo and I'd love to see more beatiful buldings ;)
lol no way to compare NY or Hong Kong with Sao Paulo....maybe we have more building but what does it mean if many of them are old and horrible? nothin...

thank you!:) someone understands:banana:example


http://photos21.flickr.com/25408963_5f099e3e56_o.jpg

Well I have to say Chinese designs have far stricter criteria - being all built in earthquake zones as well as yearly typhoons and floods. I agree though many of the
highrises are bland and cookie-cutter, but that doesn't mean they don't work (eg well connected via public transport, low crime, good maintenance, communal space and
communities). BY Chinese law x amount of people have to live to x amount of green space in x vicinity - hence why many barely 10 year old districts have been ruthlessly
bulldozed and parks planted in.

THESE ARE NOT LOW QUALITY LOW COST BUILDINGS

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/364/20070826a7fc77eea0da581wz4.jpg

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http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p340/Dalianon/S5004802.jpg

Neither is it to say that NY doesn't have them in vast tracts, or that Shanghai is all cheap and shoddy, which it isn't.
Its definitely cheaper to build in China, but that doesn't mean it scrimped, its just that materials and labour costs a fraction
of what it could elsewhere. For example the complex CCTV building that cost $800 million would equate to multi-billions in the West.

The quality of new office buildings is far more futuristic too:

http://img275.imageshack.us/img275/8896/568z8iq.jpg http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071004_4dc18759a5c9014259a6hXYBVfx8zkme.jpg

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New designs

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This is the kind of highrises the govt is trying to ban - built in the 1990s to substandard facilities for its residents - for example lack of aircon means people have to staple their own units outside, giving this lovely example. Also note the washing hung out to dry too:

http://www.daleyblog.com/weblog/images/shanghai-highrise.jpg

Chongqing's riverfront ten years ago
http://www.daleyblog.com/weblog/images/China%20Cron%20Slideshow%20-%20158.jpg


The govt now demands x amount of green space for x amount of people in x vicinity. Now they're clearing barely 10 year old cityscape to create these parks, pretty ruthlessly too. Almost all the new residential developments consist of tower complexes islanded in open parkland.

http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/exhibits/mudd/projects/images/0102shanghai/0102shanghai_7.jpg



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Basically new Chinese development is now built by strict environmental laws, and based on a high density Hong Kong New Towns model. Shanghai is experimenting with its satellite eco-cities of 1 million, but all over China theyre getting the makeover of mixed development+parkland+highstreet. The places that have most been improved by this are the samller cities that aren't overrun by millions of newcomers needing to be housed instantly.


Wuxi, Shanghai metro

the city centre still needs its makeover, on first glance your typically drab Chinese satellite city:
http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/2038156.jpg

but the new suburbs are getting it right, note the density is still very high

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii266/foglio7/84_medium.jpg

Note also these are not exclusive middle class suburbs

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii266/foglio7/wx/1e308933.jpg

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http://bbs.home.news.cn/upfiles/03A339B7.002C

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http://bbs.home.news.cn/upfiles/03A33FBB.002C


Qingdao

http://bbs.home.news.cn/upfiles/038AC4E8.002C

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high, middle and low income in the same developments:

http://bbs.home.news.cn/upfiles/03A33CA6.002C

Ningbo, Shanghai metro

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh39/foglio4/A0.jpg

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/foglio16/7F08.jpg

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sub-centre development

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh39/foglio4/A8.jpg

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Suzhou, Shanghai metro - new buildings in old style is very much back in

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc168/hauchyi/IMG_2216_exposure.jpg

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Changsha

csonline.com.cn
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Xian, new builds

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http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/7913/rojamkp3.jpg


Chongqing, new city centre development

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new satellite development

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'urban fabric' projects, city centre


http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4448/rojamru4.jpg

Note the 1990s apartments behind:
http://www.cq.xinhuanet.com/video/2005-03/29/xinsrc_25030229135467122291.jpg

www.paultownend.com

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/1082/rojamlo4.jpg





hongya cave 2nd phase with Guotai art center

original plan (note the Courbousien layout):

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y162/cityz/Urban/GuotaiOperaHouse1.jpg

reconceived plan, with urban fabric inserted:

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c203/macpolo/image1701.jpg
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However, for low highrise buildings nobody can beat São Paulo! It has an estimated number of rougly 30.000 buildings over 12 floors!

Thats unlikely, as it would necessitate having nearly all of the metro population living high-rises (which we all know is not the case). In Toronto, we have "only" 1,700 high-rises in the municipality of 2.5 million, which house roughly 1/3 of the population. By this "rule", even if 100% of the municipality of Sao Paulo's population lived in high-rises, it'd have under 23,000, or 40,000 for the entire metro.

I'd still argue Sao Paulo to have the most high-rises of any city in the world, but a more likely metro-wide figure would be in the 10,000-20,000 range.

Probably now, Hong Kong, Shanghai and Chongqing are in top 6. (the others are New York, Tokyo and Sao Paulo)
Beijing definitely has more highrises than CQ at the moment. It should have more than New York too. Seoul is another monster that shouldn't be forgotten. It's definitely playing in the same league as Sao Paulo, Shanghai, Tokyo, Beijing etc.

Why is everyone so quick to discredit New York? It has a documented 6,000 high-rises. Even government figures for Shanghai (undoubtedly one of the top cities in quantity of high-rises) don't show significantly more for it.

Based on the information I have, a very rough, very flawed, but fairly reasonable and realistic top 10 list would look something like this:

1. Sao Paulo
2. Hong Kong
3. Shanghai
4. New York
5. Seoul
6. Beijing
7. Singapore
8. Shenzen
9. Rio de Janeiro
10. Tokyo



This is a fraction of Shanghai

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3492/3188872395_1f4ac7e2d5_b.jpg


Wonderful photo. Do you by chance have it in a higher resolution?

Though, for the record, I wouldn't exactly call that just a fraction of Shanghai, this is roughly the area depicted in it:

Within the metro: http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/5171/shanghaiviewdu7.jpg
Zoomed in: http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9873/shanghaiview2rk7.jpg

Its missing some significant areas, but it shows the bulk of Shanghai's skyscrapers.

Its missing the whole Puxi half! Not to mention the south - the other loop in the Huangpu river.

Great pic, Staff got it first methinks.

is just me or Shanghai have more than Hong Kong :dunno:

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9319/32037823341dd9739bd6bze1.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3492/3188872395_1f4ac7e2d5_b.jpg

Hong Kong have more buildings over 30 floors, but look like it have more over 15 floors.

Beijing definitely has more highrises than CQ at the moment. It should have more than New York too. Seoul is another monster that shouldn't be forgotten. It's definitely playing in the same league as Sao Paulo, Shanghai, Tokyo, Beijing etc.
I guess is just my impresion, but Beijing and Seoul have a lot of 6-12 floor buildings.

is just me or Shanghai have more than Hong Kong :dunno:

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9319/32037823341dd9739bd6bze1.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3492/3188872395_1f4ac7e2d5_b.jpg

Hong Kong have more buildings over 30 floors, but look like it have more over 15 floors.

Keep in mind that in Hong Kong, the buildings are often smaller and more packed together. Thus, when viewed from the air, it'll look like less than a city such as Shanghai, where the buildings are slightly more spaced out (its the same situation with Manhattan and central Sao Paulo, among other, usually older cities). Even though the city is quite small, there are still a good 8,000 high-rises packed in there.

That picture of HK doesn't show all of the built form (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3264/3202923371_57b24412ee_b.jpg). Residential housing blocks comprise the majority of highrise buildings in HK, while Central, the major business district has lower density. There are also more housing estates in the New Territories (i.e. 20, 30, 40 tower developments are not uncommon).

See the western area of the island. This only shows as a small compact area of black and grey in a Google maps aerial.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/238/447364164_aee4d49c49_b.jpg

My personal belief is that Shanghai (20 million + pop.) has way more highrises than Hong Kong (7 million) and so does Shenzhen (10 million + pop.). The majority of housing in these cities is highrise and mainland cities have a much larger population. Every HKer knows that Shenzhen is much larger than Hong Kong. And with a population 3 or 4 times larger than Hong Kong, wouldn't it seem logical that Shanghai has many more highrise housing blocks (even though some housing is low-mid rise)? Certainly, when I visited Shanghai, there were highrise blocks and commercial towers everywhere for as far as the eye can see.

I'm surprised that people took so long to notice this. Realistically HK is probably 4 or 5th in highrise count behind other mainland cities.

I'm surprised that people took so long to notice this. Realistically HK is probably 4 or 5th in highrise count behind other mainland cities.
Still, Hong-Kong have more skyscrapers (+150m) than Shanghai + Shenzhen + Guangzhou for now...

Hong Kong - 230

Shanghai - 82
Shenzhen - 37
Guangzhou - 31

Sao Paulo - 8 :D

New York - 214
Chicago - 104

:cheers:

Sao Paulo of course. No doubt about it.

im sure that most of those buildings are proposed AND AS I POINTED OUT THE MODERN ONES are not the majority. I think that even though you draw some points its still cost more in NY. Just look at the cost of living here. And once the prices for spae was so high many buisness went out of buisness for name brand retail. That geen space looks tempting but its mostly in stages and wont stop the fact that NY is enviromentally cleaner. I could post some of the same things


http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=732386

As Skybean notes, Shanghai and Shenzhen (probably Beijing too) probably have more highrises than Hong Kong. Hong Kong has more actual skyscrapers though - as in buildings over 35 (or so) floors.



Though, for the record, I wouldn't exactly call that just a fraction of Shanghai, this is roughly the area depicted in it:
spliff fairy was probably referring to the fact that the aerial photo in question leaves out most of the areas in which the majority of skyscrapers and highrises in Shanghai are located (ie. Puxi within the beltway + much of Pudong). It only shows the northern parts of central Shanghai (ie. within the beltway) and a tiny fraction of Pudong, leaving out huge districts such as Xuhui, Luwan and Huangpu (some of the most dense in the world).

Thats unlikely, as it would necessitate having nearly all of the metro population living high-rises (which we all know is not the case). In Toronto, we have "only" 1,700 high-rises in the municipality of 2.5 million, which house roughly 1/3 of the population. By this "rule", even if 100% of the municipality of Sao Paulo's population lived in high-rises, it'd have under 23,000, or 40,000 for the entire metro.

I'd still argue Sao Paulo to have the most high-rises of any city in the world, but a more likely metro-wide figure would be in the 10,000-20,000 range.

Well, the average high-rise population in toronto is ~500 (830.000/1.700), counting residential and commercial buildings? That's a loot, considering that the residential average should be larger. In São Paulo I think that half of the 11 million municipal population is housed in high-rises, 5.5 million inside 30 thousand buildings is about 180 per building. And a 12 story building with 2 apartments per story should have about 50-70 inhabitants.

So: if from the 30 thousand, 27 thousand are residential, then we have about 200 hundred per building. The average number of floors should be 15-18 in São Paulo, with 3-5 apartments per floor gives about 10-15 people per floor or 150-180/225-270 people per building.

You should note that the average highrise in São Paulo is smaller than the average high-rise in any city of anglo saxon america. The largest skyscraper in São Paulo by floor area has only about 1.2 million square feet, the sears tower has 4.6 million square feet and in new york the largest building I think is the GE building, with has 3 million square feet. In Brazil we have cities with a loot of small high-rises, in contrast to north american cities.

I dont get it where is Shanghai? All these news sources reference Emporis


International Herald Tribune, 2005, http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/18/business/boom.php:

"This year alone, Shanghai will complete towers with more space for living and working than there is in all the office buildings in New York City. That will happen in a city that already has 4,000 skyscrapers, almost double the number in New York. And there are designs to build 1,000 more by the end of this decade."


Bloomberg 2005, http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aNBlpA5LzFUM&refer=news_index

"Shanghai, the nation's commercial capital, built 6,704 towers of 11 or more stories since 1990, city government figures for 2004 show -- 4,312 of them in the past five years. New York has 5,467 buildings of 12 stories or more, according to Emporis."

OhMyNews, http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?menu=c10400&no=255010&rel_no=1

"Shanghai already has 4,000 skyscrapers, almost double than in New York. As if all this were not enough, there are projected to be about 1,000 more by the end of the decade."

I find very difficult to believe I read that New York has 500 million square feet of office space in 600 big buildings. How much space per head has a average chinese apartment? 200 square feet? That means that shanghai would be housing 2.5 million people per year in highrises. I am only counting as if all were residential buildings because about 90% of the new high-rises in shanghai are residential.

And ff you count the smaller office buildings in new york, then you should double the number to 1 billion square feet and the total number of new residents per year in shanghai becomes 5 million!

New lets be realistic: If shanghai metro area receives 1 million new residents per year and 60% of them go to highrises (with I think is an exageration), we have 600 thousand people per year on highrises, with makes about 120 million square feet of highrise space, or 12% of new york's office space.

Shanghai had 6,700 high-rises in 2005. New they should have about 8-9 thousand, considering that they are building about 600-800 highrises per year.

For comparison, in late 20's New York (the most intense skyscraper building period in new york city) only about 100-150 highrises were build per year.

Só New York today has 5,500 with is about 65% of Shanghai 8/9 thousand.

São Paulo's 30/40 thousand are still the largest concentration of highrises in the world.

Hong Kong should have about 7 thousand, with means that in 2005 Shanghai probably surpassed hong kong in number of highrises.

This is a fraction of Shanghai - bear in mind the building in the top right is the tallest completed roof in the world,
and the shorter one in front of it is taller than the Empire State Building:



Well, since the shorter one is about a little smaller than the ESB by pinnacle height. So with this measurement of scale this area of Shanghai can be compared to midtown manhattam:

http://i451.photobucket.com/albums/qq235/guaporense/NewYorkvsShanghaiaerial.jpg?t=1232512009

The angle of manhattan photo is a bit to low, but a didn't find better pictures.

Well, the average high-rise population in toronto is ~500 (830.000/1.700), counting residential and commercial buildings? That's a loot, considering that the residential average should be larger. In São Paulo I think that half of the 11 million municipal population is housed in high-rises, 5.5 million inside 30 thousand buildings is about 180 per building. And a 12 story building with 2 apartments per story should have about 50-70 inhabitants.

So: if from the 30 thousand, 27 thousand are residential, then we have about 200 hundred per building. The average number of floors should be 15-18 in São Paulo, with 3-5 apartments per floor gives about 10-15 people per floor or 150-180/225-270 people per building.

Good point. Its not uncommon for apartments here to house upwards of a thousand people in a single building (same thing in China). In Brazil they tend to be much smaller.


anglo saxon america

As an aside, its just "Anglo America", Anglo-Saxon is an ethnic group, not language group. ;)

Hong Kong density is insane... :nuts:

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/h5forem/Untitled-4.jpg

Wow, that a whole lot of assumptions and guesstimates and not a single fact or source presented in your posts, Guaporense.


"If shanghai metro area receives 1 million new residents per year and 60% of them go to highrises (with I think is an exageration)"

The vast majority of the people moving into highrises in Shanghai are hundreds of thousands of current residents trading their apartments in old neighbourhoods or midrise commieblocks for apartments in newly built highrises. On top of that you have all the migrants that come in millions every year to the city.

You're disputing the sources that the_spliff_fairy provides, yet you don't have anything to come up with yourself. Even the "data" on which you base your guesstimates are your own as well (average size of highrise buildings etc.). Your posts are literally covered in numbers, all made up by yourself.


I don't think anyone in this thread has disputed that there for now are more highrise buildings in Sao Paulo than any other city in the world.

The vast majority of the people moving into highrises in Shanghai are hundreds of thousands of current residents trading their apartments in old neighbourhoods or midrise commieblocks for apartments in newly built highrises. On top of that you have all the migrants that come in millions every year to the city.
I belive most of the migrants move to the apartments in old neighbourhoods or midrise commieblocks left by old residents.

Wow, that a whole lot of assumptions and guesstimates and not a single fact or source presented in your posts, Guaporense.


"If shanghai metro area receives 1 million new residents per year and 60% of them go to highrises (with I think is an exageration)"

The vast majority of the people moving into highrises in Shanghai are hundreds of thousands of current residents trading their apartments in old neighbourhoods or midrise commieblocks for apartments in newly built highrises. On top of that you have all the migrants that come in millions every year to the city.

You're disputing the sources that the_spliff_fairy provides, yet you don't have anything to come up with yourself. Even the "data" on which you base your guesstimates are your own as well (average size of highrise buildings etc.). Your posts are literally covered in numbers, all made up by yourself.


I don't think anyone in this thread has disputed that there for now are more highrise buildings in Sao Paulo than any other city in the world.

These numbers a have not made up:

The 6700 highrises of 11 floors or more number in shanghai in 2005. 500 million square feet of office space in 600 major office buildings in new york (from these 500 million, 280 million sq comes from 350 buildings in midtown, 140 million sq comes from 170 buildings in downtown), the 30/40 thousand highrises in são paulo. The 5500 number comes from emporis.

The 600-800 number of highrises build every year in shanghai comes from the 4100 highrises build in a 5 year period (1999-2004). 4100/5= 820. However since it counts buildings with 11 stories (while highrises should have 12 or more), the number should be smaller, the 600-800 number is guessed from this data.

I want to know how much sq of space is made per year from the 600/800 highrises build every year in shanghai and I think it is not 500 million square feet.

Here is Beijing for comparison - and Shanghai is on very similar grounds if not more (its growing faster for one). Also you've over estimated NYC office space methinks:

Bloomberg article from 2006, Nov 1st

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aNBlpA5LzFUM&refer=news_index:

"Shanghai built more skyscrapers in 15 years than New York did in a century, Beijing has the equivalent of three Manhattans under construction."

"Beijing, which will host the Olympic Games in 2008, had 99.3 million square meters (1.07 billion square feet) of floor area under construction last year, or about three times the total space in Manhattan, according to Jack Rodman, a Beijing-based partner at Ernst & Young LLP."

on Shanghai:

International Herald Tribune, http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/18/business/boom.

"This year alone, Shanghai will complete towers with more space for living and working than there is in all the office buildings in New York City."

They're all eyesores

Here is Beijing for comparison - and Shanghai is on very similar grounds if not more (its growing faster for one). Also you've over estimated NYC office space methinks:

Bloomberg article from 2006, Nov 1st

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aNBlpA5LzFUM&refer=news_index:

"Shanghai built more skyscrapers in 15 years than New York did in a century, Beijing has the equivalent of three Manhattans under construction."

"Beijing, which will host the Olympic Games in 2008, had 99.3 million square meters (1.07 billion square feet) of floor area under construction last year, or about three times the total space in Manhattan, according to Jack Rodman, a Beijing-based partner at Ernst & Young LLP."

on Shanghai:

International Herald Tribune, http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/18/business/boom.

"This year alone, Shanghai will complete towers with more space for living and working than there is in all the office buildings in New York City."

Then how is that alot if most of NYC is not made of office buildings. This doesnt make any sense because if they said they are gonna make more space for living than all the Office Buildings in NYC doesnt that mean its not alot. I mean most of the offices are in manhattan mostly concentrated between midtown and lower manhattan and buisness districts around the city with mostly residential in the areas in between then hows does it make i more if most buildings in ny are obviously residential. Equivalent of 3 manhattans, this menas an equivalent of about 72 sq miles of the same buildings thats very unhealthy and irratating no architectual difference but whatever.

Here is Beijing for comparison - and Shanghai is on very similar grounds if not more (its growing faster for one). Also you've over estimated NYC office space methinks:

Bloomberg article from 2006, Nov 1st

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aNBlpA5LzFUM&refer=news_index:

"Shanghai built more skyscrapers in 15 years than New York did in a century, Beijing has the equivalent of three Manhattans under construction."

"Beijing, which will host the Olympic Games in 2008, had 99.3 million square meters (1.07 billion square feet) of floor area under construction last year, or about three times the total space in Manhattan, according to Jack Rodman, a Beijing-based partner at Ernst & Young LLP."

on Shanghai:

International Herald Tribune, http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/18/business/boom.

"This year alone, Shanghai will complete towers with more space for living and working than there is in all the office buildings in New York City."

1- The only news that you posted that had some real data on construction space is for Beijing, and it is wrong to say that 1.07 billion square feet is "about three times the total space in Manhattan" (whatever this can mean), since only midtown has about 300 million square feet of office space in 350 major buildings (these buildings make only a fraction of total office space in Manhattan). Total office space in Manhattan is several times that area, and total closed build space is several times total office space, total closed build space should be at least several billion square feet.

2- The media normally exaggerate news regarding everything because it attracts more attention.

Ok guaporense we understand your point... sao paulo is obviously the winner :nuts:
how about we discuss the largest ones per continent?
in my opinion:

North America - NYC
South america - Sao paulo
Africa - Cairo? ( i have no idea...)
Europe - Moscow ? instambul?
Asia - Shanghai, Tokyo, Seoul
Oceanica - Sydney
what you guys think?

Have you got a source for the midtown / Manhattan office space?

sao paolo is a winner? in my opinion, more a looser, it's okay to have a skyline with a few nice highrises or in the city core or in a cluster , but not a sick concrete jungle.

basicly unesthetic and oppressively drab and grey.

as the saying goes ... less is more :)

i know, i think sao paulo is sick too, actually is horrible, but the tpoic is about numbers, according to emporis high-rise is a building with 10 floors or more...

Thats unlikely, as it would necessitate having nearly all of the metro population living high-rises (which we all know is not the case).
I'd still argue Sao Paulo to have the most high-rises of any city in the world, but a more likely metro-wide figure would be in the 10,000-20,000 range.

Actually, according to official data from the city hall, the city of Sao Paulo has about 23.000 highrises. 30.000 is the number including the metropolitan area.

Nobody is disputing that Sao Paulo probably has the largest amount of highrise buildings (if using a relatively low cut-off point as the definition of "highrise" - maybe 50-60m or so). But could anyone please provide a source (including the definition of highrise that is used) instead of repeating over and over how many highrises you "estimate" that Sao Paulo has etc.

Sorry for the next. Benidorm, Spain, with only 70.000 inhabitants, is impressive (not comparable with Sao Paulo, New York or Shanghai). Is a little city in the coast of Mediterranean Sea. Perhaps, the bigger concentration in Europe:

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/8832/benidorm1zd6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6328/benidorm2aw7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/814/benidorm3ql3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5600/benidorm4jo9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9634/benidorm7ny8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2994/benidorm8le4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2934/benidorm9wx0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


I know, I know... Is too little. But i think is a little bit of Hong Kong (very little).

Buenos Aires has also a LOT of ammount of buildings, but not as much as Sao Paulo.
Id say Its like this maybe: (Latin America)
1- Sao Paulo
2- Buenos Aires
3- Mexico City
4- Rio de Janeiro
5- Santiago??

Have you got a source for the midtown / Manhattan office space?

I have read in some news about the real state market in Manhattan in the internet dated from 1997. The news said that Midtown had 270-280 million square feet of class A office space (don't remember the exact number, but it was around the 275 million), Downtown had 140 million square feet of class A office space. Total in Manhattan was about 500 million sqf of class A office space.

However a did some search about manhattan office space and I found some recent news that said that manhattan has 340 million spf of class A office space. I don't know from where the 160 million sqf difference comes from.

But them these news about Beijing building 3 times Manhattan are true, if you count only class A office space. I don't think that any other city in the world has around 340 million square feet of office space of "class A office space", I think that class A office space is the office space inside large skyscrapers.

Sorry for the next. Benidorm, Spain, with only 70.000 inhabitants, is impressive (not comparable with Sao Paulo, New York or Shanghai). Is a little city in the coast of Mediterranean Sea. Perhaps, the bigger concentration in Europe:


I know, I know... Is too little. But i think is a little bit of Hong Kong (very little).

wow!
is this really a European city??

just incredible

Benidorm is amazing - top prizee for small town/highrises per inhabitant?

Bangkok panorama, thanx to Staff for finding this:

SCA-ROLL>>>
http://www.thailandbilder.se/bangkok-thailand_panorama.jpg
www.thailandbilder.se

wow!!
Bangkok looks like Beijing
but has more green land than Beijing

^^
It does, but Beijing has far more highrises in total, due to the massive suburban residential highrise developments. Although, Bangkok's (fewer) highrises are generally taller than Beijing's.

Benidorm is amazing - top prizee for small town/highrises per inhabitant?

It does have the most highrises per capita of any city in the world, according to Emporis. Seems likely enough, considering its 300+ highrises and summer population of over 500,000 (vs. 70,000 permanent inhabitants).

Sorry for the next. Benidorm, Spain, with only 70.000 inhabitants, is impressive (not comparable with Sao Paulo, New York or Shanghai). Is a little city in the coast of Mediterranean Sea. Perhaps, the bigger concentration in Europe:


I know, I know... Is too little. But i think is a little bit of Hong Kong (very little).

Its more like Recife, Rio and Durban rolled into one.

After doing research ive found out that NYC has more highrises. Just by the pictures everyone has shown witth other cities and pictures ive seen of NYC. Now i know what you are thinking but i carefully looked at every photo counting the floors and contrasting them with buildings in the area i realized nyc has way more than what people think. Emporis is wrong on so many levels. People are mistaking the fact that NYC is more dense and also goes beyond manhattan. But just manhattan is so dense that the build ratio is much more dense than any of those cities. all the buildings are wall to wall righ next to each other and people think that the buildings near midtown are low rises becuase the skyscrapers are above in height giving the lower buildings that appearence.

Do you not think from the massive heights all the big aerials of the cities will show the same effect, where many highrises and midrises are mistaken for lowrises - or don't even show up in the haze. (And hell, not even all of Shanghai has been shown).

Check this out. How many highrises in this pic looking toward the stadium?
http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-17180345.jpg?size=67&uid=%7B482CBB18-3EE7-4676-98E5-FB298F38666E%7D


translates to this section on the aerial. Most of the highrises won't even show up in the haze:

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q49/zupermaus/shanghaiaerialx.jpg

And yes, I appreciate NYC is dense, but, so is Shanghai (check it out below, not the foreground but the background). The centre tends to have large swathes of old buildings, so the newer districts outside tend to be denser in Chinese cities.

found this pic of the Puxi section of Shanghai - check out the distance

SCROLL>>>
http://www.eoliveoil.com/2008/Shanghaipanorama.jpg
www.eoliveoil.com

this city is soo crank!! awesome pics

This is an amazing thread!!

Nobody is disputing that Sao Paulo probably has the largest amount of highrise buildings (if using a relatively low cut-off point as the definition of "highrise" - maybe 50-60m or so). But could anyone please provide a source (including the definition of highrise that is used) instead of repeating over and over how many highrises you "estimate" that Sao Paulo has etc.

Well, I didn't find any hard data, but I read some estimates that range from 21 thousand to 45 thousand. I think that 30 thousand is a close number to the real number of highrises in the city.

Also, notice that Brazil is probably the country in the world with the largest number of buildings over 12 floors (the sum of all cities). Well, at least at the present, China is building so fast that in a few years Brazil will be the second place.

Here cities are very verticalized, Curitiba, a city of 1.5 million has over 1,500 buildings, Belo Horizonte, a city of about 4.5 million, has 5-6 thousand buildings.

from BF 364:
Londrina, a city of 0.5 million people has many hundreds of highrises:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/BR364/Parana/Londrina007a.jpg

from Vargas:
Goiania, a city of less than 1 million:
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/4426/goiania1nw3.jpg
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/105/goiania2xg7.jpg

Shanghai
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/191/509527518_a8426f10d6_b.jpg
source: http://flickr.com/search/?q=shanghai+panorama&s=int&page=6

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3247/2846977804_40a16df944_b.jpg
source: http://flickr.com/photos/38431789@N00/2846977804/

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3088/3110607596_97979202ce_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3001/3110046151_8bc66c0485_b.jpg

source: http://flickr.com/photos/khedara/sets/72157611333387576/

Chongqing
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/80/248638553_02a31b5794_o.jpg

source: http://flickr.com/photos/wmliu/248638553/

Also, notice that Brazil is probably the country in the world with the largest number of buildings over 12 floors (the sum of all cities). Well, at least at the present, China is building so fast that in a few years Brazil will be the second place.
I VERY doubt that... :lol:

China have 3-4 times more urban population than entire Brazil, a lot of them living in highrises, most +1 millino people cities are not even known to the world.

And I belive also USA have more highrises than Brazil, but less than China.

I VERY doubt that... :lol:

China have 3-4 times more urban population than entire Brazil, a lot of them living in highrises, most +1 millino people cities are not even known to the world.

Well, Brazilian cities tend to have more highrises per population than cities in any other country. For example: Camboriu is a city of less than 100,000 with had 1,023 highrises in 2003, almost the same number that Chicago has!

China has a total urban population of about 500 million, Brazil has a total urban population of 120 million. Now, Shanghai is a city of about the same population as São Paulo, but São Paulo has 30-40 thousand highrises while Shanghai had 6 thousand in 2005. If the proportions apply to the whole country, Brazil has 25% to 65% more highrises than China. Now, since China is building like crazy, in the next 10 years they will probably have more.

Camboriu (from the web):
http://www.abrilviajes.com.ar/administrar/destinos/Baln_Camboriu_vista_da_barra_norte.jpg
taken by Alex Vieira da Silva:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WAvRAmT7O3E/SJmoeOGybTI/AAAAAAAAANY/uX3W9YPlhPE/s1600/balneario%2Bcamboriu%2Bdicasdodi.jpg

And I belive also USA have more highrises than Brazil, but less than China.

In the US few people live in highrise buildings. In Brazil most of the population of large cities reside in highrises. And Brazilian highrises are small (average 15 stories with 3-4 apartments per story), with means that we have a loot of them to house the population! In China the average highrise is about 20 story high with a dozen apartments per story, they can house 3 to 4 times the population that the Brazilian average highrise houses.

For god's sake, Chicago is the second city in US in highrises, while Camboriu is a small city with has about the same number of buildings (even if they are much smaller)!

More Camboriu, From wikipedia:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Panorama_aereo_Itajai_Balnerio_Cambriu_2006_06.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Balneario_Camboriu_Santa_Catarina_2008_250.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Panorama_Balne%C3%A1rio_Cambori%C3%BA.jpg

Now, Shanghai is a city of about the same population as São Paulo, but São Paulo has 30-40 thousand highrises while Shanghai had 6 thousand in 2005. If the proportions apply to the whole country, Brazil has 25% to 65% more highrises than China. Now, since China is building like crazy, in the next 10 years they will probably have more.

1. Shanghai (18mil metro) is smaller in population then São Paulo(21mil metro)

2. Sao Paulo have less than 30-40 thousand highrises, more like 10-20, and Shanghai have more than 6000, (Hong Kong have +7000)

im not sure if this is on topic but manhattan has reached population of approximately 2.2 million

1. Shanghai (18mil metro) is smaller in population then São Paulo(21mil metro)



In this same tread Skybean said that Shanghai is larger than São Paulo in population.


2. Sao Paulo have less than 30-40 thousand highrises, more like 10-20, and Shanghai have more than 6000, (Hong Kong have +7000)

All data that a have read as official said that São Paulo has between 30 thousand and 45 thousand buildings over 12 stories in the metropolitan area.

Shanghai had (official data) 6700 buildings over 11 stories in late 2004. Cut about 1 thousand buildings with eleven stories (my guess) and we have 5700 buildings.

Curitiba, pop. 1.5 million with 1,600 highrises:

taken by Tiger-38
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3176/3058265121_8a688e7976_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3040/3058233333_76fee84f7b_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3177/3059063308_49513e55c7_o.jpg

Fortaleza:
taken by Fortal
http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/8752/aerea20057bg.jpg

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/2140/aerea2006nuvensaltaez0.jpg

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/4454/709743102046b611428byh4.jpg

Belo Horizonte, maybe the second largest concentration of highrises in Brazil after São Paulo:

first posted by Kaike
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2982/digitalizar0014sh2.jpg

http://www.baixaki.com.br/imagens/wpapers/BXK21703_belo-horizonte800.jpg

Manhattan has one of the most impressive skylines on Earth but Shanghai and Sao Paulo are in a world all their own when it comes to number of towers!!!

http://img48.echo.cx/img48/1914/sampa7zt.jpg

source: user Fortal

http://img170.echo.cx/img170/3246/sopaulocongonhaslanding013yr.jpg

source: user Brandi

I love how all the SP buildings are different or at worst in pairs. Shanghai's burbs seem to be following the Korean model where they build an estate with several similar buildings. The flats are lovely, but the effect on the skyline is a bit drab. Luckily Sh has a lot of good taller buildings aswell to break it up a bit. Parts of Seoul (even worse is Incheon) look like whole suburbs have been stamped out of the same block...
Seoul must be another candidate for this thread actually. It covers a much bigger area than Shanghai and most of that is 10 floors plus.

All data that a have read as official said that São Paulo has between 30 thousand and 45 thousand buildings over 12 stories in the metropolitan area.
Well not ALL... Emporis, say it have 5,612 highrises.

I know Emporis is "famous" for lack of data in somme areas, but I doubt they miss out 80% of them.

Could you post a viable link for that data? ;)

Nobody is disputing that Sao Paulo probably has the largest amount of highrise buildings. But could anyone please provide a source (including the definition of highrise that is used) instead of repeating over and over how many highrises you "estimate" that Sao Paulo has etc.

Emporis is the no.1 site for skyscrapers, very acurate data for Europe, North America or Dubai. Not so great for China or Brazil, but still... from 45.000 to 5.600 is a Loooong way. Not to mention that brazilian highrises are older than the chinese ones, so they had enough time to colect data.

So I have to asky you AGAIN:
Please provide a source that say it have 30-45k. I found one, and say it have 5.600 (you say ALL) :lol:

Well not ALL... Emporis, say it have 5,612 highrises.

I know Emporis is "famous" for lack of data in somme areas, but I doubt they miss out 80% of them.

Could you post a viable link for that data? ;)

In the Brasilian forum a read that São Paulo's administration conducted a research on number of highrises and found out that the city had 40.000 highrises over 12 stories.

Emporis works on voluntary work to catalogue buildings. Their statistics are a work in progress. Since only the most memorable buildings tend to be cataloged first, cities with a loot of residential highrises like São Paulo show not tendency of being fully cataloged. All Brasilian cities have severy underestimated numbers for highrises:

São Paulo has 40,000 and Emporis says it has 5,600. Camburiu has 1,023 (in 2003!) and emporis says it has 248. In China theirs numbers are weak too: Shanghai has more than 5.700 buildings over 12 stories and emporis has only 1 thousand cataloged.

Emporis is the no.1 site for skyscrapers, very acurate data for Europe, North America or Dubai. Not so great for China or Brazil, but still... from 45.000 to 5.600 is a Loooong way. Not to mention that brazilian highrises are older than the chinese ones, so they had enough time to colect data.

So I have to asky you AGAIN:
Please provide a source that say it have 30-45k. I found one, and say it have 5.600 (you say ALL) :lol:

Emporis on Shanghai:

Has 979 highrises cataloged:
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk/?id=100213

But:

"At the end of 2004, Shanghai had 6,704 buildings of 11 or more stories which were completed since 1990, according to reports by the city of Shanghai."

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/?id=shanghai-china

That should finish emporis's numbers for ya!

On São Paulo I read this coment in the Brasilian foruns:

o Cello uma vez disse q ele conseguiu uma lista, com uma amiga q trabalhava na prefeitura de SP, com todos prédios acima de 12 andares na cidade. Eram 48 mil prédios.


Entretanto ele nunca apresentou a lista e há dúvidas sobre a veracidade da afirmação.

Se ele realmente tivesse tal lista, devia ter mandado pro Brasil Guy, que poderia adicionar todos prédios no Emporis.

He said that one guy that had a friend in São Paulo's municipal administration had a complete list on São Paulo's buildings over 12 stories, the list said that São Paulo has 48 thousand buildings over 12 stories but the veracity of the information is questionable.

^^ I still don't see any link... :dunno: just somme guy/girl statement. :ohno:

About Emporis:

I know Shanghai data is very uncomplete. But a lot of those buildings where built in the last 10 years, while Sao Paulo had the masive highrise boom in the 70's and 80's

I doubt the data from Brasil is so uncomplete as for the chinese "new" cities.

I searched the internet and I did not find any source for the number of highrises in Sao Paulo (except Emporis)

I don't want: "a friend of a friend, heard from sommebody that..." :lol:

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Moscow. By far, the city with the largest ammount of highrises in Europe. :uh:

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In quantity surely HK, Sao Paulo or Shanghai.

As I said, São Paulo is indisputably the city with the largest number of highrises in the world. The total number of highrises is probably 3 times the total of the city with the second largest number.

As I said, São Paulo is indisputably the city with the largest number of highrises in the world. The total number of highrises is probably 3 times the total of the city with the second largest number.
Still don't see any reliable source... :dunno:

Please provide viable a link... not just your opinion, or "a friend of a friend, heard from sommebody" :)

As I said, São Paulo is indisputably the city with the largest number of highrises in the world. The total number of highrises is probably 3 times the total of the city with the second largest number.

If you don't get specific data, everything you say is taken by the wind. Stating what you say without comparative data, it reduces everything to "my city is the best in the world because what i say". For the images i've seen, New York or Hong Kong thousand rounds to give Sao Paulo. And I think the same applies to Tokyo. In addition, the buildings of Sao Paulo are horrible, with a very simple and typical architecture in South America. I don't like

^^
This is only about the amount of highrises - not the design of them.

Granted, if you set a relatively low cut-off point of what constitutes a highrise, it is very likely that Sao Paulo currently has the most in the world. Actual skyscrapers is a whole other issue though.
But as long as we don't get any actual statistics, such statements are useless.

^^
This is only about the amount of highrises - not the design of them.

Granted, if you set a relatively low cut-off point of what constitutes a highrise, it is very likely that Sao Paulo currently has the most in the world. Actual skyscrapers is a whole other issue though.
But as long as we don't get any actual statistics, such statements are useless.

I searched the internet, and I encountered numbers from 21 thousand in the city plus 7 thousand in the metropolitan region, 30 thousand, 35 thousand, 40 thousand to 45 thousand. All numbers refer to buildings over 12 stories.

Well, some photos of São Paulo:

Source: wikipedia, minus the second
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Sao_Paulo_Business_District.jpg


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b91/latinohunk/Four/IMG_3000xl.jpg?t=1237950233
Source: http://media.photobucket.com/image/s%25C3%25A3o%2Bpaulo%2Bfrom%2Bhelicopter/latinohunk/Four/IMG_3000xl.jpg


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Megacidade_-_S%C3%A3o_Paulo.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Zona_Leste_-_S%C3%A3o_Paulo-Brasil.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Vinteetresdemaio01.jpg

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/1283317.jpg
source: http://www.panoramio.com/photo/1283317

New York can be more impressive, however, with massive buildings:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=233910

For the amount of skyscrapers in this city, Sampa definitely needs skyscrapers over 600 ft. Also some supertalls.

I searched the internet, and I encountered numbers from 21 thousand in the city plus 7 thousand in the metropolitan region, 30 thousand, 35 thousand, 40 thousand to 45 thousand. All numbers refer to buildings over 12 stories.
We still don't see a source...

It's not like we don't have a reason to believe you (the fact that Sao Paulo currently has the most 12fl+ buildings), it's just that you make these claims over and over and upon being requested to show a source you fail to do so...

We still don't see a source...

It's not like we don't have a reason to believe you (the fact that Sao Paulo currently has the most 12fl+ buildings), it's just that you make these claims over and over and upon being requested to show a source you fail to do so...

The sources are all from the Brasilian foruns, they are not very accurate. I searched the internet, but haven't found anything.

For the amount of skyscrapers in this city, Sampa definitely needs skyscrapers over 600 ft. Also some supertalls.

I can imagine one big supertall, the size of one WTC tower, in the middle of the city. It would dominated the skyline like an mountain.

here are some more pics of NY

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3103/3229038009_b4dde352f0_o.jpg
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I can imagine one big supertall, the size of one WTC tower, in the middle of the city. It would dominated the skyline like an mountain.

There was one visionary scraper planned for Sao Paulo. It resembles The visionary project, Centre of Vedic Learning.

For now Edificio Italia doesn't do justice as one of the tallest.

To my concern both cities are very impressing and i would love to live in any one of them

Well, Brazilian cities tend to have more highrises per population than cities in any other country. For example: Camboriu is a city of less than 100,000 with had 1,023 highrises in 2003, almost the same number that Chicago has!

China has a total urban population of about 500 million, Brazil has a total urban population of 120 million. Now, Shanghai is a city of about the same population as São Paulo, but São Paulo has 30-40 thousand highrises while Shanghai had 6 thousand in 2005. If the proportions apply to the whole country, Brazil has 25% to 65% more highrises than China. Now, since China is building like crazy, in the next 10 years they will probably have more.

Camboriu (from the web):
http://www.abrilviajes.com.ar/administrar/destinos/Baln_Camboriu_vista_da_barra_norte.jpg
taken by Alex Vieira da Silva:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WAvRAmT7O3E/SJmoeOGybTI/AAAAAAAAANY/uX3W9YPlhPE/s1600/balneario%2Bcamboriu%2Bdicasdodi.jpg



In the US few people live in highrise buildings. In Brazil most of the population of large cities reside in highrises. And Brazilian highrises are small (average 15 stories with 3-4 apartments per story), with means that we have a loot of them to house the population! In China the average highrise is about 20 story high with a dozen apartments per story, they can house 3 to 4 times the population that the Brazilian average highrise houses.

For god's sake, Chicago is the second city in US in highrises, while Camboriu is a small city with has about the same number of buildings (even if they are much smaller)!

Interesting!!! But Camboriu has a metro population of nearly 500,000 people and a lot of the buildings along the water are resort/hotel buildings (probably for tourists from Sampa and other places).

The internal Camboriu population swells from 100,000 to 700,000 during the summer.

Basically new Chinese development is now built by strict environmental laws, and based on a high density Hong Kong New Towns model. Shanghai is experimenting with its satellite eco-cities of 1 million, but all over China theyre getting the makeover of mixed development+parkland+highstreet. The places that have most been improved by this are the samller cities that aren't overrun by millions of newcomers needing to be housed instantly.


Wuxi, Shanghai metro

the city centre still needs its makeover, on first glance your typically drab Chinese satellite city:
http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/2038156.jpg

but the new suburbs are getting it right, note the density is still very high

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii266/foglio7/84_medium.jpg

Note also these are not exclusive middle class suburbs

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii266/foglio7/wx/1e308933.jpg

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http://bbs.home.news.cn/upfiles/03A339B7.002C

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http://bbs.home.news.cn/upfiles/03A33FBB.002C


Qingdao

http://bbs.home.news.cn/upfiles/038AC4E8.002C

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http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg133/foglio1986/qingdao2.jpg

high, middle and low income in the same developments:

http://bbs.home.news.cn/upfiles/03A33CA6.002C

Ningbo, Shanghai metro

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh39/foglio4/A0.jpg

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll8/foglio16/7F08.jpg

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh39/foglio4/A39.jpg


http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh39/foglio4/A43.jpg

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh39/foglio4/A18.jpg

sub-centre development

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh39/foglio4/A8.jpg

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh39/foglio4/nb1.jpg

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh39/foglio4/nb11.jpg

Suzhou, Shanghai metro - new buildings in old style is very much back in

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc168/hauchyi/IMG_2216_exposure.jpg

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc168/hauchyi/IMG_2217_exposure.jpg

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Changsha

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Xian, new builds

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Chongqing, new city centre development

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new satellite development

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http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c203/macpolo/cqtd1.jpg

'urban fabric' projects, city centre


http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4448/rojamru4.jpg

Note the 1990s apartments behind:
http://www.cq.xinhuanet.com/video/2005-03/29/xinsrc_25030229135467122291.jpg

www.paultownend.com

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hongya cave 2nd phase with Guotai art center

original plan (note the Courbousien layout):

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y162/cityz/Urban/GuotaiOperaHouse1.jpg

reconceived plan, with urban fabric inserted:

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Wow, awesome find, spliff fairy!

Sao Paulo's one of the ugliest skyscraper cities on the planet. It should probably take some lessons from the aesthetics of New York, Hong Kong, Chicago, Shanghai etc

Yep. I have seen Sao Paulo skyline from the air and street many times, and I can say its so impressive. The most impressive sh1t I have ever seen.
But the truth is that Sao Paulo is one of the ugliest cities in the world. It is just unsightly. :ohno:

Wow, awesome find, spliff fairy!

Did you have to quote the whole post?

Did you have to quote the whole post?

My thoughts exactly!

Great compilation the spliff fairy. I always notice that when you go the mainland they build with a bit more artistry than in Hong Kong where it's all about being functional and easy to fabricate (all buildings seem to share the same window sizes etc.).

Yep. I have seen Sao Paulo skyline from the air and street many times, and I can say its so impressive. The most impressive sh1t I have ever seen.
But the truth is that Sao Paulo is one of the ugliest cities in the world. It is just unsightly. :ohno:
oh my God , Buenos Aires is the best city of the world ... kkkkkkkkkk !!!!

Did you have to quote the whole post?

Oh sorry, but I thought it was the norm here on the forums, with all of you guys quoting lengthy posts filled with pictures. I'm new here and thought that since I saw so many people doing that here with the quoting, I could also do that myself. Thanks for letting me know anyways.

Oh sorry, but I thought it was the norm here on the forums, with all of you guys quoting lengthy posts filled with pictures. I'm new here and thought that since I saw so many people doing that here with the quoting, I could also do that myself. Thanks for letting me know anyways.

LMFAO - it's an annoyance that is prevalent amongst cunts. It's very annoying - as you can see. How some are blind to the issue, I do not know.

We'll let you off this time :p ;)

oh my God , Buenos Aires is the best city of the world ... kkkkkkkkkk !!!!

LoL! why are you defending sao paulo, did you get ofended?

Well getting back to the topic, its really difficult to say which city has the largest amout, but my top three would be Seoul, Sao Paulo and Shanghai!

LoL! why are you defending sao paulo, did you get ofended?

Well getting back to the topic, its really difficult to say which city has the largest amout, but my top three would be Seoul, Sao Paulo and Shanghai!

Seoul??? The only place where I saw a lot of high-rises was on Google Earth, by looking at the long shadows imposed by the buildings over the ground. I still have yet to see an impressive picture of Seoul. Please show me one!!!!!!!!

LMFAO - it's an annoyance that is prevalent amongst cunts. It's very annoying - as you can see. How some are blind to the issue, I do not know.

We'll let you off this time :p ;)

Hee hee.. :angel1:

Sao Paulo

i haven't been to sao paulo or seoul but to shanghai. and all i can say: shanghai has more highrises than hongkong, that's sure! it's actually pretty overhelming when you look (from a skyscraper) down to the neverending sea of highrises. my guess: shanghai #1, if not now, surely in ~ 1 year or so!

Seoul??? The only place where I saw a lot of high-rises was on Google Earth, by looking at the long shadows imposed by the buildings over the ground. I still have yet to see an impressive picture of Seoul. Please show me one!!!!!!!!

sure...

http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae43/fakroef/za1.jpg

http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae43/fakroef/za2.jpg

^^ Do you really think Seoul beats NYC in the amount of highrises?

Those pictures are about as impressive as the downtown of Mexico City or Tokyo at the very most. I'd say that Tokyo looks more impressive than Seoul.

NYC beats easily seoul in skyline (especially height) but iam talking about amount of buildings( 80-90m tall)
so i think seoul is better, but i would like to see a database or something

well, about tokyo, iam seeing some photos, maybe it has more than seoul, you are right :)

a couple more photos of the korean megacity:

http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae43/fakroef/za5.jpg

http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae43/fakroef/za7.jpg

LoL! why are you defending sao paulo, did you get ofended?


LOL ...And you ? did you get ofended about the Ironic comments about Buenos Aires ?

According to Emporis.com

NYC : 5,806 existing
Sao Paulo : 5,657 existing
Seoul : 2,876 existing
Tokyo : 2,693 existing

:)

According to Emporis.com

NYC : 5,806 existing
Sao Paulo : 5,657 existing
Seoul : 2,876 existing
Tokyo : 2,693 existing

:)

you can't trust emporis figures on buildings in asia. best example would be shanghai: 982 completed. this is joke, 9820 may be the right number.

Sao Paulo or Tokyo

According to Emporis.com

NYC : 5,806 existing
Sao Paulo : 5,657 existing
Seoul : 2,876 existing
Tokyo : 2,693 existing

:)

Emporis is based on contributions from members. Most people in Asia, particularly in China (except Hong Kong it seems) don't visit Emporis, hence don't 'contribute' - as the guy who replied to you down below said.

Look at a picture of Shanghai - then look at its' stats on Emporis. Do they match up?

LOL ...And you ? did you get ofended about the Ironic comments about Buenos Aires ?

of course not! but i hate ironic comments and he started!
iam brazilian lol, i wouldn't defend an argentinan city hehehe....

This is nonsense. You basically assume that the relative rank of Emporis for Chinese cities is correct, which is WRONG. Anybody from China knows Shanghai has way more highrises than Hong Kong. No matter how dense Hong Kong is, it is too small in geographic area. Even if it eliminates all the roads and builds highrises on top of them, it can't beat Shanghai, or even Beijing. Hong Kong has a killer skyline and its average height is way more than 12 stories, but as far as the number of highrises goes, I wouldn't rank it among the top 5 in China. You may find Shanghai less dense than Sao Paolo in aerial photos, but that's because Shanghai has many buildings that are way taller than Sao Paolo's tallest so they stand out. Those that look like a gap in between are also mostly taller than 12 stories. From aerial photos even Beijing looks denser than Shanghai and that is also because Beijing has a more uniform height of buildings. Beijing's height is not impressive at all but again 12 stories is such a low benchmark and it is very easy for residential towers to be more than that. New York mentioned in this thread is just a joke. Again, New York is an impressive city. Perhaps the best in the world in terms of skyscrapers old and new, but comparing all towers including residential towers > 12 stories? New York shouldn't even consider to compete.


This is how a think that these cities stack:

1- Hong Kong - Emporis say's that the city has 7,626 highrises, probably has about 8 thousand

2- São Paulo - Emporis: 5,453, Total probable number: 30.000-40.000

3- Shanghai - Emporis: 940 , Total probable number: 3.000-4.000

4- Shenzhen - Emporis: 347 , Total probable number: ~2.000

5- New York - Emporis: 5,597 (more than any mainland chinese city)

Do you have some estimates for the number of skycrapers in Shanghai and Shenzhen that put the total number of highrises in the 50.000s? Because 3 thousand is way smaller than São Paulo's 30/40.000s.

Those pictures make the world population look so unsurprising.

i think that no city can beat Shanghai on highrises number.

What city in China has the most high rises in the world? :dunno: What day is it? :laugh:

NYC beats easily seoul in skyline (especially height) but iam talking about amount of buildings( 80-90m tall)
so i think seoul is better, but i would like to see a database or something

well, about tokyo, iam seeing some photos, maybe it has more than seoul, you are right :)

a couple more photos of the korean megacity:

http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae43/fakroef/za5.jpg

http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae43/fakroef/za7.jpg

That's more like it, but it still does not show very much.

This is nonsense. You basically assume that the relative rank of Emporis for Chinese cities is correct, which is WRONG. Anybody from China knows Shanghai has way more highrises than Hong Kong. No matter how dense Hong Kong is, it is too small in geographic area. Even if it eliminates all the roads and builds highrises on top of them, it can't beat Shanghai, or even Beijing. Hong Kong has a killer skyline and its average height is way more than 12 stories, but as far as the number of highrises goes, I wouldn't rank it among the top 5 in China. You may find Shanghai less dense than Sao Paolo in aerial photos, but that's because Shanghai has many buildings that are way taller than Sao Paolo's tallest so they stand out. Those that look like a gap in between are also mostly taller than 12 stories. From aerial photos even Beijing looks denser than Shanghai and that is also because Beijing has a more uniform height of buildings. Beijing's height is not impressive at all but again 12 stories is such a low benchmark and it is very easy for residential towers to be more than that. New York mentioned in this thread is just a joke. Again, New York is an impressive city. Perhaps the best in the world in terms of skyscrapers old and new, but comparing all towers including residential towers > 12 stories? New York shouldn't even consider to compete.

To me, Shanghai looks like it has roughly the same number of high-rises as if all of the buildings in Manhattan was spread out over an area about 5 times bigger. Yes, it does have more commie blocks than NYC, but many of them are only 5-8 floors tall. Those commie blocks are everywhere to be found in central Shanghai, right among those skyscrapers.

Also, Sao Paulo has more high-rises than Shanghai, but probably loses out to Shanghai when it comes to the total floor space of all the skyscrapers combined, since Shanghai has taller and bigger ones than Sao Paulo. The ones in Sampa are mostly short and thin, which is why there can be so many.

No matter if you defend Shenzhen or Sao Paulo, but I cannot understand why feeling so much pride because of having a huge amount of the ugliest buildings made by humans: those depressing white blocks :S

if you think those are bad, you should check out Havana

Seoul??? The only place where I saw a lot of high-rises was on Google Earth, by looking at the long shadows imposed by the buildings over the ground. I still have yet to see an impressive picture of Seoul. Please show me one!!!!!!!!

These are my favorite Seoul Pictures from Korean forum.

Old CBD(North of Seoul, Central area)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2456/3821781238_a472f2603f_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2019/3677208504_7fda30a6c9_b.jpg

New CBD(South of Seoul)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2575/3799499253_723d45a717_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3452/3820973841_95427fb535_o.jpg


Yeido island area
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3521/3186472661_fc741218a9_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3533/3457184645_85272efe18_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3541/3457922404_cb2f26c980_o.jpg
Mokdong Area
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3641/3676382577_343972eb6e_b.jpg[/QUOTE]


Only some parts of the whole Seoul area are seen here in these pics.

According to Emporis.com

NYC : 5,806 existing
Sao Paulo : 5,657 existing
Seoul : 2,876 existing
Tokyo : 2,693 existing

:)

Many buildings in Seoul are NOT listed on EMPORIS.COM, since we haven't had any active editors on that site for a long time.

Maybe, Seoul is not the city with largest amount og highrise.
But don't underestimate please. :)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2436/3577630658_92e086be7f_o.jpg


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2494/3998216762_ecc201d413_o.jpg

Cool! I appreciate more pictures of Seoul, but it still does not seem to have more skyscrapers than HK or Shanghai.

Hey, I'm trying to not underestimate, but I'll be doing more research on Seoul. I've already nearly exhausted HK after looking at bazillions of pictures, but such nice and big panoramas of Seoul are rare.

I do see lots of buildings between 10-20 floors, but there aren't very many over 30 floors. There are also lots with less than 10 floors, in some of those pictures.

Is there a really nice Seoul thread here on SSC?

I've lived in both Seoul and Shanghai and Seoul seems bigger to me. The buildings aren't as tall or as dense but the metro area just goes on for ever. The mountains prevent you from seeing much of it in one view but you can drive from Incheon through Seoul and up to Uijeongbu, travelling around 100km, and be surrounded by high rise the whole way. It's pretty awesome.
There's absolutely nothing in Seoul to rival a night-time cab trip along the elevated Yanan lu though. Actually the complete ease with which you can get across Shanghai probably makes it feel smaller. The expressways in Seoul aren't as good and there is a lot more traffic to slow everything down. I went up the Lupu bridge recently and the view was more impressive to me than the view from Namsan which is about the only place from which you can see a good portion of Seoul.
The building rate of Shanghai is also incredible and I suppose if you count Incheon as part of Seoul then Suzhou and Wuxi have to be part of Shanghai making it a lot bigger even than the Korean megacity.
I'm guessing Tokyo is more like Seoul - shorter buildings but covering a huge area. Sao Paulo looks smaller but quite a bit denser. With the amount of current building going on in a lot of these cities I doubt it's really possible to definitively answer this question.

Thanks jacks for such a cool answer! I appreciate it.

If anyone doesn't think Shenzhen is up there, have a look at today's banner.

If anyone doesn't think Shenzhen is up there, have a look at today's banner.

exactly what i think. most people have no idea that major cities in china have become (or will become) the leading cities (in the future), in terms of
1) economy
2) numbers of highrises / skyscrapers / supertalls
3) hightech industry
4) finance
5) 'power' (wealth, etc.)

Ive heard from a number of people that Seoul feels like the biggest city in the world, bigger than NYC (which it is), and bigger than Tokyo (which it isn't). It is after all the world's second biggest city, squeezing in 26 million people into a fraction an area of other comparable metropoli - its not so much skyscrapers (thanks to height limits), but the sheer density and endlessness of midrises, epic busyness and utter lack of suburbia.

http://www.factbook.org/wikipedia/en/media/3/34/large_seoul_landsat.jpg



South Korea as a whole is the world's most densely populated country in terms of urban areas (70% of Korea is thickly forested.)

Ive heard from a number of people that Seoul feels like the biggest city in the world, bigger than NYC (which it is), and bigger than Tokyo (which it isn't). It is after all the world's second biggest city, squeezing in 26 million people into a fraction an area of other comparable metropoli - its not so much skyscrapers (thanks to height limits), but the sheer density and endlessness of midrises, epic busyness and utter lack of suburbia.

http://www.factbook.org/wikipedia/en/media/3/34/large_seoul_landsat.jpg



South Korea as a whole is the world's most densely populated country in terms of urban areas (70% of Korea is thickly forested.)

Nice, interesting! That's cool about Korea being so heavily forested but having such dense cities.

26 million.. hmm, more than half of S. Korea's population.. ughh.. I have yet to see a source that states 26 million instead of 18-22 million. Several of the most reputable sources that I have seen include Incheon in the metro area.

Mumbai, Manila, and Delhi have more people than Seoul, and cover smaller area (more dense) according to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_by_population

Well, Seoul still does look more dense than urban Hong Kong, though!

I went skiing in Korea and the ski village comprised of a set of 30 floor condos. While the mountains in Korea aren't high, they are steep and pretty much every square inch of flat land in the valleys is either farm or town. Everywhere. I'd guess the sum total unused flat land in South Korea would be (if you could put it all in the one place) just about big enough for a game of cricket.

Seoul (right) and Incheon (left, on the coast) are contiguous:

http://veimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/16434/seoul_L720000904_lrg.jpg

Together they count 24.5 million metro, - 26 million (if not more) would be a US style metro definition that would take in thousands of km2 based on commuting patterns. More than half the population lives in that area.

Seoul (right) and Incheon (left, on the coast) are contiguous:

http://veimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/16434/seoul_L720000904_lrg.jpg

Together they count 24.5 million metro, - 26 million (if not more) would be a US style metro definition that would take in thousands of km2 based on commuting patterns. More than half the population lives in that area.


http://wapedia.mobi/en/Gyeonggi-do


Gyeonggi-do is the most populous province in South Korea. The provincial capital is located at Suwon. Seoul—South Korea's largest city and national capital—is located in the heart of the province, but has been separately administered as a provincial-level special city since 1946. Incheon—South Korea's third largest city—is located on the coast of the province, but has been similarly administered as a provincial-level metropolitan city since 1981. The three administrations between them cover 11,730 sq.km, with a combined (census) population in 2005 of 22,766,850—amounting to over 48% of the entire population of South Korea.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4a/520px-Provinces_of_South_Korea_Txt.PNG
(source: Wikipedia)

Interesting comparison. I think this video is driving on Yanan Road in Shanghai as you talked about. It is during the day though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn5B42LcVg0

This is all Puxi, with a glimpse of Pudong at the end.

To some other people, Shanghai is not spread out. It is very dense in terms of highrises. On the Puxi side, the high qaulity office buildings do spread out unlike New York, but highrise residential towers fill in the gap. 90% of the buildings appearing in the video are higher than 12 stories. Keep in mind that the highway is elevated. I would say with Pudong + Puxi, Shanghai has an almost equal numer of office towers with Manhattan, but much more highrise residential towers. Not that the residential towers are pretty or of any architectural value. Just for the sake of counting.


I've lived in both Seoul and Shanghai and Seoul seems bigger to me. The buildings aren't as tall or as dense but the metro area just goes on for ever. The mountains prevent you from seeing much of it in one view but you can drive from Incheon through Seoul and up to Uijeongbu, travelling around 100km, and be surrounded by high rise the whole way. It's pretty awesome.
There's absolutely nothing in Seoul to rival a night-time cab trip along the elevated Yanan lu though. Actually the complete ease with which you can get across Shanghai probably makes it feel smaller. The expressways in Seoul aren't as good and there is a lot more traffic to slow everything down. I went up the Lupu bridge recently and the view was more impressive to me than the view from Namsan which is about the only place from which you can see a good portion of Seoul.
The building rate of Shanghai is also incredible and I suppose if you count Incheon as part of Seoul then Suzhou and Wuxi have to be part of Shanghai making it a lot bigger even than the Korean megacity.
I'm guessing Tokyo is more like Seoul - shorter buildings but covering a huge area. Sao Paulo looks smaller but quite a bit denser. With the amount of current building going on in a lot of these cities I doubt it's really possible to definitively answer this question.

When you look at those satellite photos of Seoul you can't really understand what they mean unless you have been there. The green spaces are unbuilt areas sure, but unlike pretty much any other huge city (Rio is closest), these areas are very steep mountain. If you look at the valleys nearby the main conurbation you see that ALL of the valley floors are built up. These photos then do not represent a series of urban areas split up by rural space. Instead they show that the main city has expanded into EVERY SINGLE BIT of flat land nearby, including places that are almost cut off by mountains. The landscape dictates that this looks like several towns joined together. If you think of the sat-pics as of one city with mountains plonked in the middle you will get a better idea of just how big Seoul is.

Tokyo is bigger still with more people, but it's buildings look quite a bit lower on average. SP is smaller with (slightly) fewer people, but has a higher proportion of high-rise and the high-rise is more densely packed. Shanghai is also smaller depending on where you set it's city limits, but has much the taller buildings. Its highrise is also more dense than Seoul's but probably less so than SP.

I doubt New York and HK have as many high-rise as the above as their 'tall' areas are smaller even though they are taller and denser. Shenzhen and Beijing are probably in the same league for total buildings along with Guangzhou and Chongqing.

Where you set the cut-off for what buildings get counted will give you several different results.

My guesses (with pulled-out-of-my-arse cut-offs and made-up figures):

Most really tall - New York (just, and probably not for much longer)
Most tall - Hong Kong (by far)
Most medium-tall - Shanghai
Most buildings that could claim to be high-rise - SP, Seoul, Tokyo or Shanghai. (probably Tokyo as it has a lot more people)

When you look at those satellite photos of Seoul you can't really understand what they mean unless you have been there. The green spaces are unbuilt areas sure, but unlike pretty much any other huge city (Rio is closest), these areas are very steep mountain. If you look at the valleys nearby the main conurbation you see that ALL of the valley floors are built up. These photos then do not represent a series of urban areas split up by rural space. Instead they show that the main city has expanded into EVERY SINGLE BIT of flat land nearby, including places that are almost cut off by mountains. The landscape dictates that this looks like several towns joined together. If you think of the sat-pics as of one city with mountains plonked in the middle you will get a better idea of just how big Seoul is.

Tokyo is bigger still with more people, but it's buildings look quite a bit lower on average. SP is smaller with (slightly) fewer people, but has a higher proportion of high-rise and the high-rise is more densely packed. Shanghai is also smaller depending on where you set it's city limits, but has much the taller buildings. Its highrise is also more dense than Seoul's but probably less so than SP.

I doubt New York and HK have as many high-rise as the above as their 'tall' areas are smaller even though they are taller and denser. Shenzhen and Beijing are probably in the same league for total buildings along with Guangzhou and Chongqing.

Where you set the cut-off for what buildings get counted will give you several different results.

My guesses (with pulled-out-of-my-arse cut-offs and made-up figures):

Most really tall - New York (just, and probably not for much longer)
Most tall - Hong Kong (by far)
Most medium-tall - Shanghai
Most buildings that could claim to be high-rise - SP, Seoul, Tokyo or Shanghai. (probably Tokyo as it has a lot more people)

This is great to read. You seem to be pretty knowledgeable about this topic.. I'm wondering if you saw my new thread on a new kind of skyline rating that accounts for the "massive-ness" factor--the kind that tries to rate on how vertically massive a city is:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1000785

Hope you could provide some useful insight in that thread.. pictures would also be appreciated!!! :cheers:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2494/3998216762_ecc201d413_o.jpg

Is there a 360-degree panorama of Seoul taken from the top of that mountain in the middle of Seoul?

Is there a 360-degree panorama of Seoul taken from the top of that mountain in the middle of Seoul?

I am really sorry.
I can't find a 360-degree panorama of Seoul taken from the top of the mountain in Seoul.
But these panorama are taken from the top of one of surounded mountains.
Unfortunately, lots of ugly buildings in Seoul are seen in this panorama.:ohno:

pics from DC
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http://pds10.egloos.com/pds/200902/22/30/20090220_230914.jpg

http://www.shutter-bug.com/zboard/data/gallery4/1190188522/pano_copy.JPG

http://blogfile.paran.com/BLOG_159822/200709/1189183921_Untitled_Panorama1-c-00.jpg

http://blogfile.paran.com/BLOG_436739/200607/1153363012_pano2.jpg

This is old down town in Seoul.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2491/4107815907_195e972c59_o.jpg

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Gyeonggi-do



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4a/520px-Provinces_of_South_Korea_Txt.PNG
(source: Wikipedia)

Out of date!^

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seoul

"Metro 24,472,063"


Seoul city bureau data:


http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:PNs1IYKnuacJ:unpan1.un.org/intradoc/groups/public/documents/un-dpadm/unpan035260.pdf+seoul+population+24+million&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

"Seoul Metropolitan Area(Seoul, Incheon,Gyeonggido) : 24 Millions• South
Korea : 49.5Millions"

http://eng.gg.go.kr/276

"The Seoul-Gyeonggi metropolitan area is home to 24 million people", followed by breakdown


Korea Herald:

http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/NEWKHSITE/data/html_dir/2009/11/09/200911090035.asp

"Its population has increased from less than 10 million in the 1960s to 24 million as of 2009. "


New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/14/business/south-korea-has-big-plans-for-the-area-around-seoul.html

"In their presentation, the mayors and the governor noted that the Seoul-Inchon metropolis is home to 24 million people, half the country's population."

yeah, that's correct. half of the south koreans live in this metro area, quite impressing though.

According to the complete enumeration results of the 2005 Population Census that the KNSO announced on May 25th 2006, the population of South Korea was 47,278,952, up 2.5 percent from 2000. The population density recorded 474 persons per 1km2, an increase of 10 from 2000. The population closeness (the distance between persons when they stand at the same interval every km2) was 45.9m in 2005, down 0.5m from 2000.

The population of the Seoul metropolitan area (Seoul, Incheon and Gyeonggi) amounted to 22,770,000, accounting for 48.2 percent out of the total population. The population in Gyeonggi, the most heavily populated area out of the 16 metropolitan cities and provinces, recorded 10,420,000 persons, followed by Seoul.


Official South Korea, source:

http://kostat.go.kr/eboard_faq/BoardAction.do?method=view&board_id=98&seq=7&num=7&parent_num=0&page=3&sdate=&edate=&search_mode=&keyword=&position=&catgrp=eng2009&catid1=g01&catid2=g01a&catid3=&catid4=



Hey Spliff Fairy, do you think London would have even more than 15 million people if using the same total land area as Seoul+Incheon+Gyeonggi-do (11,000 km^2)? Perhaps the 24 million figure of Seoul-Gyeonggi metro includes a some urban areas right outside the south border of Gyeonggi?

I am really sorry.
I can't find a 360-degree panorama of Seoul taken from the top of the mountain in Seoul.
But these panorama are taken from the top of one of surounded mountains.
Unfortunately, lots of ugly buildings in Seoul are seen in this panorama.:ohno:

pics from DC


Thank you sooo much, citypia, for the breathtaking panos of Seoul!!!

Wow, I have to catch my breath after looking at those pics, damn!

Official South Korea, source:

http://kostat.go.kr/eboard_faq/BoardAction.do?method=view&board_id=98&seq=7&num=7&parent_num=0&page=3&sdate=&edate=&search_mode=&keyword=&position=&catgrp=eng2009&catid1=g01&catid2=g01a&catid3=&catid4=


Perhaps the 24 million figure of Seoul-Gyeonggi metro includes a some urban areas right outside the south border of Gyeonggi?

Then I would hazard the 24.5 million number comes from a Seoul-Gyeongju-Incheon aglommeration. 1,8 and 4 on the map, especially as Incheon is fully contiguous and integrated as solid cityscape all the way into central Seoul:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4a/520px-Provinces_of_South_Korea_Txt.PNG

http://veimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/16434/seoul_L720000904_lrg.jpg


Hey Spliff Fairy, do you think London would have even more than 15 million people if using the same total land area as Seoul+Incheon+Gyeonggi-do (11,000 km^2)?

if you look at an artificially highlighted map of the urban areas (which will reveal a myriad peppering effect of small, dense developments), pretty much most of England would count as part of one agglommeration. Basically urbanised England fits in 47 million people into an area the size of Maine:

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/4702/londonunitedkingdomsx4.jpg

Then I would hazard the 24.5 million number comes from a Seoul-Gyeongju-Incheon aglommeration. 1,8 and 4 on the map, especially as Incheon is fully contiguous and integrated as solid cityscape all the way into central Seoul:

No, the official census data was including Incheon in the metro area. It's the official S. Korea census of 2005, which is as official as it can get (and there is estimated to be less than 1% change in population since).

However, I would take liberty and include some of the urban areas immediately south of Gyeonggi to match that 24-26 million people, since a 20M+ mega-city certain should cover some more area.

The urban area would still be wayyyy less than 11,000 km^2 if I leave out half of Gyeonggi's total area (to the north and to the east), and include the urban areas about 50-80 miles (80-130km) south of Seoul.


By comparison, London would have about 12 million people in a strictly circular radius of 11,000 km^2, and about 16.6 million people in a circle of 22,000km^2, and if including the East and Southeast regions of England, it would have 20.9 million people (39,500 km^2). New York City with a roughly circular area of 17,884 km^2 has 21,295,000 people. I could give you more specifics later on if you want.. Some of the unofficial population agencies estimate Tokyo to have over 40 million people if covering the same area as NYC's "grand" consolidated metro area (of course, I never accept any data that includes Philadelphia or Hartford for 30 million, which is purely non-sense for NYC). This is interesting, but it might be a bit off-topic for this thread, I guess?

The difference between London and Seoul is that the space around London is space that could have been used for building but was deliberately set aside to provide a green belt whereas the space around Seoul can't be built on as it is too steep.
Because of this, I would limit London to the continuously built up area but I would expand Seoul to include all the separate built up areas out to the point where a decent portion of the usable land is not built up. Thus while South East England and Gyeonggi-do both have ~20-25 million people in a not too disimilar area, I would include nearly all of those as being in Seoul but only around half as being in London.
If you define a city as an economic unit this would make no sense, but from the point of view of continuously built up area it does (at least to me...)

Yep, the country-side farmers should be banned from being included in the city's metro population, whether in the green belt around London or in the valleys about 40 miles south of Seoul! Hehe, just kidding!

Ok, back to topic before it becomes so badly derailed! Ha!

I'd say that is probably right. Currently New York probably still wins in the 250m--300m category, Hong Kong wins 200m+, Shanghai wins 100m+, and Tokyo, Seoul, Shanghai and SP win 30m+ (and most probably Tokyo wins).


My guesses (with pulled-out-of-my-arse cut-offs and made-up figures):

Most really tall - New York (just, and probably not for much longer)
Most tall - Hong Kong (by far)
Most medium-tall - Shanghai
Most buildings that could claim to be high-rise - SP, Seoul, Tokyo or Shanghai. (probably Tokyo as it has a lot more people)

I'd say that is probably right. Currently New York probably still wins in the 250m--300m category, Hong Kong wins 200m+, Shanghai wins 100m+, and Tokyo, Seoul, Shanghai and SP win 30m+ (and most probably Tokyo wins).

Thanks.. it's so hard to judge..

It's almost as hard as counting the population of a megacity in a third-world country that has not yet developed a perfectly reliable and organized accounting for official census. For years, people were guessing that Mexico City had 30 million people, and now the improved census data shows that there cannot be any more than 21 million in a circle with a radius that is over 60 miles (100km).

I'm wondering about Tokyo-- how many 10+ floor (30m+) buildings do you think Tokyo has (including Yokohama, etc..)?

That the census for a third world city is difficult to make correct is because there are too many people that are on the fly. The number of highrises, on the other hand, is because it is of very little interest to count them, especially when the number is very large and nobody cares about a new residential tower going up.

Thanks.. it's so hard to judge..

It's almost as hard as counting the population of a megacity in a third-world country that has not yet developed a perfectly reliable and organized accounting for official census. For years, people were guessing that Mexico City had 30 million people, and now the improved census data shows that there cannot be any more than 21 million in a circle with a radius that is over 60 miles (100km).

I'm wondering about Tokyo-- how many 10+ floor (30m+) buildings do you think Tokyo has (including Yokohama, etc..)?

New York has around 5000+ highrises.........

I'd say that is probably right. Currently New York probably still wins in the 250m--300m category, Hong Kong wins 200m+, Shanghai wins 100m+, and Tokyo, Seoul, Shanghai and SP win 30m+ (and most probably Tokyo wins).

You forgot 300m+?

I was pretty sure it was Hong-Kong with the largest amount of highrises of all categories. I'm wrong as I see it.

Clearly Dubai wins that one and will continue to win with larger margins. And New York doesn't necessarily win the 250m--300m category either. I was surprised that New York only has 9 buildings over 250m. Dubai's 300m+ alone beats that so it really doesn't make sense to keep that category. Chicago, Hong Kong and Shanghai also have more buildings over 250m than New York.

You forgot 300m+?

NYC has 88 buildings over 600 feet and Hong Kong has 71 buildings over 600 feet (plus 5 more newly completed ones so far for a total of 76).

For 200m+ (which is 656 feet), New York City is clearly #1 in the world with the most buildings.

Dubai wins the #1 spot for over 800 feet, with 21 buildings (4 near completed).

Hong Kong is clearly #1 for over 500 feet, with NYC #2 by a small margin (about 20% less).

By comparison, there's new 2008 data of Shanghai having 847 buildings of 30 stories or more, and Emporis shows that Hong Kong has nearly 3,000 buildings of 30 stories or more!!!

I do not think Shanghai holds any titles in the world yet for most buildings that exceed a certain height or # of floors. In fact, Shanghai does not beat Hong Kong until the baseline # of floors is around 17-18 (probably 18-19 by now).

I do not know if Sao Paulo would, either, if always staying behind Seoul with # of buildings over any given height/stories? Perhaps Seoul could beats Hong Kong with # of buildings over 20 floors, given the large number of 20+ floor commieblocks for dozens of miles in valleys spread out in all directions from central Seoul?

(edited, after I improved the post for the thread in my sig)

You just moved the benchmark down a bit. So New York wins 200m+, Hong Kong might win 100m+, but also we are sure that Shanghai beats Hong Kong down to 18 stories. So in terms of highrises, both New York and Hong Kong are out and Shanghai is still in the run. You didn't prove that Shanghai doesn't have a title for any height. As long as it beats Hong Kong at some point (which it does), it has a chance for a title. For highrises, it is still between Shanghai, Tokyo, Seoul and SP because OP's claim of SP having 30000 buildings over 12 stories needs a credible source, and I am pretty sure Shanghai's obvious higher average height among the four would gain it a title with a certain height. However, that is just difficult to find. I don't think Seoul has many 20 stories. Most of them looks like 8~10 stories for me. The same applies for Tokyo.

BTW, I also found the official data for Shanghai. According to it, Shanghai has 7103 buildings over 16 stories and 14081 buildings over 11 stories. It is published by the government so it is very reliable I believe.

NYC has 88 buildings over 600 feet and Hong Kong has 71 buildings over 600 feet (plus 5 more newly completed ones so far for a total of 76).

For 200m+ (which is 656 feet), New York City is #1 in the world.

Dubai wins the #1 spot for over 800 feet, with 21 buildings (and many under construction).

Hong Kong is clearly #1 for over 500 feet, with NYC #2 by a small margin.

By comparison, there's new 2008 data of Shanghai having 847 buildings of 30 stories or more, and Emporis shows that Hong Kong has over 3,000 buildings of 30 stories or more!!!

I do not think Shanghai holds any titles in the world yet for most buildings that exceed a certain height or # of floors. In fact, Shanghai does not beat Hong Kong until the baseline # of floors is around 16-18 (probably 18 by now).

I do not know if Sao Paulo would, either, always staying behind Seoul with # of buildings over any given height/stories. Seoul probably beats Hong Kong with # of buildings over 20 floors, given the insane number of 20+ floor commieblocks for dozens of miles in valleys spread out in all directions from central Seoul.

I have travel to Dubai and i think its winner with a large margin.They are claiming the land from sea and i dont think any other city goes near that except holand where they also claimed land from the sea

Yeah, what I do know for sure is this:

i have most authority shanghai highrises amount, by shanghai statistics bereau:
http://www.stats-sh.gov.cn/2003shtj/tjnj/nj09.htm?d1=2009tjnj/C1004.htm
in 2008,shanghai has highrises(above) 8 storey :16109
above 30 storey:847
20-29 storey:2763
16-19 storey:3493
11-15storey:6978

In 2008, Shanghai had:

3,610 buildings of 20 or more floors
7,103 buildings of 16 or more floors
14,081 buildings of 11 or more floors

Hong Kong has nearly 6,000 buildings of 20+ floors. Does anybody think Sao Paulo would beat HK with 20+ story buildings? I doubt it myself. Perhaps you are right that Seoul cannot either, but there are so many 20+ floor commieblocks tucked somewhere far away in the valleys near the mountains, just like with Hong Kong, around the mountainsides far away from Victoria. Seoul is just more vast, with 22 million people. Could somebody dig up a Korean site and find the data, like Oliver999 did with this Chinese government site?

Oh Hong Kong's commie blocks are much higher than that of Seoul, but I would appreciate it if someone can dig up an official source. For commie blocks, the perception from pictures is a lot higher than it really is.

Yeah, what I do know for sure is this:



In 2008, Shanghai had:

3,610 buildings of 20 or more floors
7,103 buildings of 16 or more floors
14,081 buildings of 11 or more floors

Hong Kong has nearly 6,000 buildings of 20+ floors. Does anybody think Sao Paulo would beat HK with 20+ story buildings? I doubt it myself. Perhaps you are right that Seoul cannot either, but there are so many 20+ floor commieblocks tucked somewhere far away in the valleys near the mountains, just like with Hong Kong, around the mountainsides far away from Victoria. Seoul is just more vast, with 22 million people. Could somebody dig up a Korean site and find the data, like Oliver999 did with this Chinese government site?

Oh Hong Kong's commie blocks are much higher than that of Seoul, but I would appreciate it if someone can dig up an official source. For commie blocks, the perception from pictures is a lot higher than it really is.

Hmm, I guess that's true, especially if the pictures are not sharp enough or if the commie blocks are slightly elevated on mountainsides, but that could also be the case for HK. I would've never guessed HK to have nearly 6,000 buildings that are 20 or more stories tall, if I only saw pictures of Kowloon and the northern half of HK Island.

I'm gonna dig up as many Panoramio pictures of Seoul's outskirts from Google Earth, so I could have a better estimation (which is only my opinion, of course). It was fun digging up pictures of rarely-pictured areas of Singapore for posting here on the forums.

I dont think Sao Paulo (BTW the ugliest skyscraper city of the world) has the highest amount of skyscrapers over 11 floors! Im more with Hong Kong or maybe Shanghai in future!

I dont think Sao Paulo (BTW the ugliest skyscraper city of the world) has the highest amount of skyscrapers over 11 floors! Im more with Hong Kong or maybe Shanghai in future!

Hmm, what makes you think so? How many buildings would Sampa have, in your estimation? Some of the pictures of Sampa that are saved onto my drive make me think that the whole city has more of 11+ floor buildings than HK. I mean, you think that HK has more than Sampa?

About 6 million of HK people live in high-rises, but they are very tall on average (close to 30 floors).

I do not know, but I would guess that about 7-8 million of Sampa people live in high-rises of more than 11 floors. If the average height is much lower, then there has to be lots more of those buildings to hold that many people. Those buildings are also skinny, unlike Moscow's massive groundscrapers.

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