I think there should be a thread dedicated for authentic ancient "Kinh" Vietnamese Architecture.

However, it should be specifically ancient or ancient Vietnamese looking.
Must not be made of untraditional materials unless it still retains the Vietnamese characteristics.
Can only be Kinh Vietnamese Architecture unless you're comparing or contrasting.
This is a thread dedicated to focus on "ancient Kinh Vietnamese architecture".
That means they must be following the style based on Architecture that we had nearly 1000 years ago.
So even if we have a modern structure it still must follow the architecture similar to that of the ones we have had in ancient times.
Hope that's clear.
Note: we already have a thread on Vietnam Temples but this one is different.

Communal Houses, Old Towns, Temples, Pagodas, Citadels, Gates, Hamlets, would be ideal etc.
Modern approaches are fine too but they still must retain the ancient Vietnamese characteristics.

Should keep it a bit organized. If possible, display the location and name of the architecture. :banana:

Chùa Bối Khê - Hà Tay, Hà Nội
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/224/509144444_10e8e6ac99_b.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/213/509097332_157c40c299_b.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/208/509144450_60c08866cd_b.jpg

Đình Chèm - Hà Nội
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1346/1103423466_31f40f1ede_o.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1429/1103423932_f5ca6fd35a_o.jpg

Đình Thổ Khối - Hà Nội
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3276/2687379271_4fff5c1d62.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1048/1154612826_4cf8c86779.jpg

Đình Mông Phụ - Hà Tay, Hà Nội
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1079/1262521657_de532b610b.jpg

Phủ Thành Chương
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/huuthach/37.jpg?t=1189939132
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/huuthach/40.jpg?t=1189939182
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/huuthach/41.jpg?t=1189939183
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/huuthach/3-2.jpg?t=1189938526
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/huuthach/11.jpg?t=1189938527
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/taohongquy/IMG_2023.jpg

Đình làng Thổ Hà
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/106/299827933_0cd131a92e_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/105/299827939_08e52933af_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/114/299827936_4e53222fb4_o.jpg

Anyone Know this??
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2277/2205505205_464196ac2b.jpg

Đền Gióng - Hà Nội
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2028/1788773894_4ce4338951_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2411/1787933675_c5c2bfb618.jpg

Văn Miếu Mao Điền - Hải Dương
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2096/1799709952_195a13a577.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2403/1788768554_6e4946996c_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2221/1788771534_41bb214fab_o.jpg

Tháp Hòa Phong nay - Hà Nội
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3146/2330275423_f3e1fb1967.jpg

Đền Hùng
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3180/2334848838_1187541ed5.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2247/2334027199_9b0634b2ca.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2084/2334019549_ac0ecede52.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1359/960707057_6aa5e6cf99.jpg

Đền Mẫu Âu Cơ
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2226/2279480232_92650d9ba3.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3180/3058598644_04bfdd1b4b.jpg
http://www.economics.vnu.edu.vn/van-hoa-111oi-song/van-hoa-111oi-song/den_mau.jpg/image_preview
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1222/733490366_49b49f709f.jpg

Tuyet voi. Khong ngo minh lai duoc chiem nguong kien truc co cua Vietnam dep va hai hoa voi thien nhien nhu vay.

I really like the first picture of Chua Boi Khe. This structure has the complex wooden structre underneath its roof which is rarely found in most vietnamese architecture. Looks kinda like the bell tower of Chua Keo, Thai Binh

Keep posting more, pal :)

Chùa Chuông - Hưng Yên
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1189/1232653013_207290bc32_o.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1274/998499622_2924b02d1e_o.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1386/998485302_0a62d379a5_o.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1183/1331218292_399c8d69fa_o.jpg

Cửa Ngọ Môn

http://www.vnphoto.net/data/p14/4286_can_0032b_3273.jpg
http://www.vnphoto.net/data/p9/4286_can_0012b_1295.jpg
http://www.vnphoto.net/data/p9/4286_can_0007b_907.jpg
http://www.vnphoto.net/data/p12/4286_can_0006b_8057.jpg
http://www.vnphoto.net/data/p13/4286_can_0001b_2431.jpg
http://www.vnphoto.net/data/p8/4286_can_0237b_9395.jpg

How come there isn't a thread for Champa style of architecture? I like the exotic looking Indian influenced Champa style than the Sinicize architecture of Vietnam.

new video by Vnimation

Yen Tu
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Yen tu is pretty but the temples are so tiny!!

becayse Yen Tu is made entirely from Bronze,
But I like small ancient houses like that. Before I used to envy Chinese, Japanese and Korean architecture, because they were huge, the pillars were huge.
I'm sure ancient vietnamese from the Ly, Tran dynasties used to be big comparable to those countries tơo.......Because in the early days, they could get big tall trêes to build big palaces..................but now for some reason I love the small but intricate structures

đọc bài này để ....tiếc

http://mag.ashui.com/index.php/tuongtac/goc-nhin/96-goc-nhin/495-chan-dung-do-thi-va-noi-buon-cua-toi.html

Check out this 3D reconstruction of Hoang Thanh Thang Long by vnimation too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR5ZwGrpSN0

i wish that after they collect all artifacts from that archeological site, they can rebuilt several structures so we can have an image of how it looks like.



Korean architectures are not really huge btw. Or at least not what I've seen.
Chinese architecture are indeed huge but then they have a big country.

Check out this 3D reconstruction of Hoang Thanh Thang Long by vnimation too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR5ZwGrpSN0

i wish that after they collect all artifacts from that archeological site, they can rebuilt several structures so we can have an image of how it looks like.



Korean architectures are not really huge btw. Or at least not what I've seen.
Chinese architecture are indeed huge but then they have a big country.

How come the palace here uses the tube-tiles? I think its not sort of typical Vnese tiles.
Anyway, thanks to those made this clip. I hope one day Thang Long Imperial Palace will be reconstructed.

Some remaining structures of Phố Hiến - Hưng Yên(My beloved hometown:lol:)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/96/214917990_a839cfcbd6.jpg
http://www.simplevietnam.com/uploads/HUNG%20YEN/Pho%20Hien/dinhto_1.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2118/1959314352_c361500979_o.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc172/Rache345/an%20choi%20thang%2002%202008/28DDquanghoi1602085.jpg?t=1228401118
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc172/Rache345/an%20choi%20thang%2002%202008/28DDquanghoi1602084.jpg?t=1228401186
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc172/Rache345/an%20choi%20thang%2002%202008/28DDquanghoi1602083.jpg?t=1228401211
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc172/Rache345/an%20choi%20thang%2002%202008/28DDquanghoi1602082.jpg?t=1228401237
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc172/Rache345/an%20choi%20thang%2002%202008/28DDquanghoi1602081.jpg?t=1228401282
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc172/Rache345/an%20choi%20thang%2002%202008/27chuaHien1602084.jpg?t=1228401322

Cây Nhãn Tổ hình như 500 năm tuổi thì phải
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc172/Rache345/an%20choi%20thang%2002%202008/27chuaHien1602083.jpg?t=1228401360
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc172/Rache345/an%20choi%20thang%2002%202008/27chuaHien1602082.jpg?t=1228401437
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc172/Rache345/an%20choi%20thang%2002%202008/26dinhHien1602083.jpg?t=1228401498
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc172/Rache345/an%20choi%20thang%2002%202008/24Vomieu1602083.jpg?t=1228401531
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc172/Rache345/an%20choi%20thang%2002%202008/24Vomieu1602081.jpg?t=1228401562
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc172/Rache345/an%20choi%20thang%2002%202008/23denthienhau1602085.jpg?t=1228401588
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc172/Rache345/an%20choi%20thang%2002%202008/23denthienhau1602084.jpg?t=1228401615
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc172/Rache345/an%20choi%20thang%2002%202008/23denthienhau1602082.jpg?t=1228401642
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc172/Rache345/an%20choi%20thang%2002%202008/18vanmieuXD1602081.jpg?t=1228401711
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc172/Rache345/an%20choi%20thang%2002%202008/15denNHDV1602082.jpg?t=1228401775
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc172/Rache345/an%20choi%20thang%2002%202008/13160208chuaChuong11.jpg?t=1228401825
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc172/Rache345/an%20choi%20thang%2002%202008/08duongBaiSay1602082.jpg?t=1228401926
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc172/Rache345/an%20choi%20thang%2002%202008/06denMau1602083.jpg?t=1228401950
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc172/Rache345/an%20choi%20thang%2002%202008/0847.jpg?t=1228401990
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc172/Rache345/an%20choi%20thang%2002%202008/3735.jpg?t=1228402042

The reason why they use the tube typed tile (ngo'i a^m duong) for this reconstruction is because a lot of artifacts collected in the place are actually this kind of tile. What surprising was that a lot of VNese historian thought that before the Nguyen Dynasty, we never had glaze on our tiles (tra'ng men luu ly).

http://gomcohue.com/php/ngoiluuly.php

But apparently, this type of tube tiles with green/yellow glaze was found at this archeological site, which means that it possibly dated back to the Ly dynasty

Seems that there is still a lot of things we don't know about Hoàng Thành Thăng Long.
Càng nghĩ càng tức mấy tên vua bán nước Lê Chiêu Thống và Nguyễn Ánh, ko chỉ sẵn sàng dâng nước cho giặc ngoại xâm, mà còn phá hoại những công trình có giá trị to lớn(Lê Chiêu Thống phá phủ chúa Trịnh, còn Nguyễn Ánh phá Hoàng Thành Thăng Long)

lịch sử ngày nay vẫn còn tái diễn và chưa hết những ông vua bán nước đâu
bây giờ nếu ai tới Ài Nam Quan sẽ bị lính TQ đẩy ra khỏi cổng Hửu Nghị QUan, và Thác Bản Dốc, núi Vọng Phụ đều nằm gọn trong lảnh thổ TQ.
những toà nhà có kiến trúc Pháp rõ ràng của Pháp ngày xưa xây trên lãnh thổ VN, bây giờ TQ lấy hêt

Đừng nói ta nói chuyện chí phèo, ta nói chuyện đàng hoàng

lịch sử ngày nay vẫn còn tái diễn và chưa hết những ông vua bán nước đâu
bây giờ nếu ai tới Ài Nam Quan sẽ bị lính TQ đẩy ra khỏi cổng Hửu Nghị QUan, và Thác Bản Dốc, núi Vọng Phụ đều nằm gọn trong lảnh thổ TQ.
những toà nhà có kiến trúc Pháp rõ ràng của Pháp ngày xưa xây trên lãnh thổ VN, bây giờ TQ lấy hêt

Đừng nói ta nói chuyện chí phèo, ta nói chuyện đàng hoàng

Thôi đi người ơi con xin người! Mấy cái chuyện ruồi ni bọn con nghe chán lắm rồi!

lịch sử nào cũng là lịch sử, tại sao nhắc tới cái kia mà quên cái này?
cái kia xảy ra từ thời cỗ, cái này xảy ra ngày nay......nhắc chuyện cũ, quên chuyện hiện tại

vậy là sao? thương nhau củ ấu cũng tròn?

1 tấc đất là 1 tấc vàng. nhà mất còn thì còn xây lại được nếu còn đất. Tiếc nhà làm chi nếu không còn đất để xây nhà?

Ko hỉu người đã ra mấy chỗ ải Nam Quan với thác Bản Giốc bao giờ chưa mà biết rõ thế! Nếu người đọc báo trong Lít tờ Xì Gòn nó viết thế thì xin lỗi nhé, mấy tờ báo trong ý chỉ có giỏi lừa trẻ con, hoặc người lớn mà đầu óc trẻ con chơi thôi.

ông nội và chú ta trở về nhà cũ rồi, ở ngay biên giới đó đó

đó là ta chưa nhắc tới chuyện Hoàng sa và Hoàng Sa........những người biểu tình TQ bị bắt rõ ràng mà?
báo chí nước ngoài nào thêm bớt?

nếu mi chán những chuyện ruồi của báo chí little saìgon thì thế giới cũng chán những chuyện "tham nhũng" trên báo VN. càng chống càng nhiều. Bây giờ Nhật Bản nó cũng nghĩ chơi luôn. Phải nhìn vào sự thật, đừng có yêu ai thì yêu cả đường đi lối về

Thôi ko nói chuyện ruồi tiếp với chú nữa, không lại làm hỏng nốt cả cái thread này

cho nên có những chuyện rất là mâu thuẫn chồng chéo nhau ở VN mà tới ngày nay người ta không tìm ra câu trả lời là như vậy
người ta không dám đánh thằng vào vấn đề, mà phải né góc này, phải tránh góc kia.

Những bài toán tưởng rất dễ ở nước ngoài như giấy tờ nhà, luật bất động sàn, môi trường, ngập, kẹt xe.....càng gỡ thì càng rối
thì ra nước ngoài người ta mở mắt chạy xe, còn VN mình nhắm mắt chạy.....không những vậy còn buông tay lái ra làm xiệc nửa

Seems that there is still a lot of things we don't know about Hoàng Thành Thăng Long.
Càng nghĩ càng tức mấy tên vua bán nước Lê Chiêu Thống và Nguyễn Ánh, ko chỉ sẵn sàng dâng nước cho giặc ngoại xâm, mà còn phá hoại những công trình có giá trị to lớn(Lê Chiêu Thống phá phủ chúa Trịnh, còn Nguyễn Ánh phá Hoàng Thành Thăng Long)

Pháp phá thành Hà Nội chứ, còn Nguyễn Ánh xây cả khu cung đình, lăng tẩm Huế Unesco công nhận sao không nói tới.

LOL! Nguyen Anh destroyed Thang Long??? Are you kidding?

Thang Long of Ly-Tran was destroyed by the Ming troops after they defeated the Ho Dynasty. Thang Long (or should I call Dong Do) of Le was destroyed by Tri.nh Tu`ng. when the Trinh family usurped power from the Le. It also got destroyed by the battle between Tay Son troops and Qing troops.

Nguyen Anh not only built the whole Hue citadel, he also commanded it to be built in a different style than the older VNese architecture. This new style called (tru`ng the^`m tru`ng luong I believe) which adds to the variety of Vnese ancient architecture.

Seems like a lot of ppl nowadays still don't look at the Nguyen dynasty with an objective perspective. Even the communist govn't who used to blame everything on this dynasty now start to look at them with a better standpoint

http://www.tuoitre.com.vn/Tianyon/Index.aspx?ArticleID=283876&ChannelID=10

http://www.hueworldheritage.org.vn/TTSK/NewsDetail.asp?MaTTSK=20

Also, I found a very interesting article on wiki about ancient VNese architecture.

This article focuses a lot on the major structural differences between VNese architecture and that of Chinese/Korean/Japanese

http://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%E1%BB%A9c_ki%E1%BA%BFn_tr%C3%BAc_c%E1%BB%95_Vi%E1%BB%87t_Nam

Now I understand why Vnese architecture don't have the Chinese-styled complex wooden structure (call dau cung) underneath the roof.

Even the structure that we see in Chua Boi Khe above or Chua Keo is not the same as that of Chinese structure

Interesting.

Actually Hue's Imperial Citadel and related structures had been in total neglect between 1975 until the early 90’s. At the time, the whole complex was deemed politically incorrect by the government.

Initially tourist attraction was the only reason for the government to preserve it. Cultural and historical consideration was just an afterthought. Only after it was chosen as an UNESCO Heritage site then appropriate protective measures and a more conscious effort of renovation were carried out.

After all, even for the wrong reason it’s better than nothing.

:)

Is the reason for the lost architecture structure for Thanh Long lost because of the humid environment that makes preserving ancient structure? I was always curious to see what it actually looked like. I wish there was a rendition of what the old capital might have looked like.

Pháp phá thành Hà Nội chứ, còn Nguyễn Ánh xây cả khu cung đình, lăng tẩm Huế Unesco công nhận sao không nói tới.

Nguyễn Ánh cho phá Hoàng Thành Thăng Long vì nó quá rộng lớn, mà Thăng Long thời điểm đó đã trở thành tỉnh lỵ, cho nên thành ko được rộng hơn kinh thành Huế. Ông ta cho xây lại thành Hà Nội theo phong cách Vauban của Pháp nhưng với quy mô nhỏ hơn rất nhiều. Các cung điện trong Hoàng Thành cũng bị phá hết, trừ điện Kính Thiên và Hậu Lâu. Điện Kính Thiên sau này khi Pháp vào cũng bị phá nốt, giờ chỉ còn lại mấy bậc rồng đá.
Còn cung đình Huế thì cá nhân tớ thấy cung điện này cực xấu, được xây theo kiểu cóp nhặt vụn vặt nửa vời của Tây, Tàu, cả tầm cỡ lẫn giá trị đều ko thể so được với Hoàng Thành Thăng Long.

Đình Bảng
http://www.kientruc360.vn/uploads/News/pic/small_1202234035.nv.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Dinh_Bang_2008_1.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Dinh_Bang_2008_2.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Mai_dinh_Dinh_Bang.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Cot_dinh_Dinh_Bang.jpg


Đình Chu Quyến
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a314/muathunaybuonqua/kientrucco/chuquyen.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a314/muathunaybuonqua/kientrucco/chuquyen4.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a314/muathunaybuonqua/kientrucco/chuquyen2.jpg

Đình Thổ Tang (Vĩnh Tường, Vĩnh phúc)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/nhanhlantimtlc/xomnhiepanh/P1010279.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/nhanhlantimtlc/xomnhiepanh/P1010277.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/nhanhlantimtlc/xomnhiepanh/P1010302.jpg


Đền Phú Đa (Vĩnh Tường, Vĩnh Phúc)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/nhanhlantimtlc/xomnhiepanh/P1010352.jpg

Đình Bạch Trữ (Vĩnh Phúc)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/nhanhlantimtlc/xomnhiepanh/P1010408.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/nhanhlantimtlc/xomnhiepanh/P1010483.jpg

Cổng làng Ninh Hiệp
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/nhanhlantimtlc/xomnhiepanh/P7160137_2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/nhanhlantimtlc/xomnhiepanh/P7160134_2.jpg

Thủy đình chùa Nành
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/nhanhlantimtlc/xomnhiepanh/P7160138_2.jpg

Chùa Dâu, Bắc Ninh
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/nhanhlantimtlc/xomnhiepanh/CIMG2562_2.jpg

??
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/nhanhlantim/baiviet/1efa53cf.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/nhanhlantimtlc/xomnhiepanh/P7160161_2.jpg

Đình Tây Đằng- Sơn Tây
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/nhanhlantim/xomnhiepanh/P1010011_2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/nhanhlantim/xomnhiepanh/P1010038_2.jpg
http://n.domaindlx.com/nhanhlantim/xomnhiepanh/taydang2_2.JPG


Côn Sơn
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2392/2334669576_38d934b838.jpg
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Neu ma ca khu Hoang Thanh Thang Long con giu lai duoc thi tot biet bao nhi.

Mọi người có ai có hình ảnh hay clip phục dựng điện Kính Thiên 3d ko?

Uh Uh,

Thang Long citadel was destroyed way before Nguyen Anh rebuilt Ha Noi . Dien Kinh Thien was built by him on top of the site of what used to be Dien Long An in the Le dynasty I believe.


Yes, indeed he rebuilt Ha Noi in Vauban style and in a much smaller scale. But there's no evident that he destroyed the buildings within the citadel ground. It was just that he never rebuilt them. When the french comes, they destroyed everything else. You are right about how Ha Noi is smaller than Hue because it was only a Tinh Thanh, not a Kinh Thanh. Specifically, Minh Mang ordered the wall of Hanoi citadel to be built a few "ta^c" shorter than that at Hue.

I dunno what do you think, But for me, Hue is an awesome heritage that we have. I don't see how it is more Chinese than the older VNese architecture like you said. Like I said, the basic building frame that they use is different from that in the north and totally different than that of the Chinese forbidden city. If you get a chance to walk into the buildings of both of these places, you can compare and clearly see the differences in the wood work, painting, roof decorations, etc...
Basically, I think the builders of Hue did a good job in implementing our ancient architecture, creating a derivation from the older style.

Its just my opinion man:lol:

But yeah, I enjoy the pics you post a lot.

I actually prefer the older style too. It appears more elegant, less colorful.

Too bad not much of our old architecture survive. So we can't really have a collections of how Vnese architecture progress through times. The Chinese have several architecture dated back to the Tang period, it's intersting to compare that with the that of the later

Some ancient fortresses. Too bad most of them are in terrible condition.

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Even in Hue citadel, the condition seems no good.
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Pity indeed.

If only we can still see all of them in their original form.

I can only wonder how much more unique and beautiful our architecture would have progressed if we could've experience more peacetime instead of wars after wars.

Found another bell tower similar to Chua Keo
Đền Trần Khánh Dư????
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Is it newly constructed?

Not sure, I can't find any info on it.
If only we have a member here that can take pictures of all the ancient architecture in VN.

This one looks so puny, and not as stable as that of chu`a Keo. It also doesn't have the complex wooden structure underneath the roof.

Something i really wonder thou? Since the complex wooden structure underneath the roof of Chua Keo is not similar to that of the Chinese dougong, why we don't see much application of those??

I think all the citadels should be reconstructed and preserved instead of leaving in dire state like that. It's totally possible. The wall around Nanjing, China used to be in bad condition too. But now they look splendid

It's pretty much the same wooden structure underneath. Just less of it and in a different way compared to Chua Keo. Chua Boi Khe has a different kind of structure compared to these two.

I think it's only possible for the government to restore and reconstruct old relics once our nation is in a better economic situation like that of Korea's.

Even with our current economic situation, lots of ancient architectural structures are being restored. Just waiting to see Hanoi get its ancient quarter back to how it used to be.

I don't know why everyone in the world turned to European style architecture when they can still push their own unique architecture to fit the modern everyday needs of people.

Everyone in the world nowadays are advocating for diversity but they're destroying diversity because soon everyone will be the same race and have the same culture and architecture etc. because of it.. boring.....

Is the reason for the lost architecture structure for Thanh Long lost because of the humid environment that makes preserving ancient structure? I was always curious to see what it actually looked like. I wish there was a rendition of what the old capital might have looked like.

according to the Chinese history that I read somewhere 7-8yrs ago...(long time, so don't ask me the source, because I don't make this up.)

Thang Long citadel was huge, with complete fortresses, bridges. There were a lot of palaces, but the emperor lived in in the miđdle building , 4 storeys high, on either sides were 2 palaces....... 1 had silver rơof, and the other gold rơof. in the miđdle is a square that could hold a big army up to few thousands.

there were palaces built for the emperor extended all the way to Westlake and next to Hoan Kiem lake. which were outside of the emperial wall.
The Ly Dynasty was big, but The Tran expanded it much bigger, then the Le minimized it,

The Chinese admitted Thang Long was the only civilized capital outside of China. The sad thing was the constant wars.

So Kinh Thien palace that you sêe in those pictures taken by the French was not the original one built during the Ly dynasty. The chinese invaded Vn so many times that Vietnamese had to change their capital to several places. therefore Thang long was abandoned on and off, and there were several occasions where Thang Long was destroyed and lơoted by the Chinese, Champa, and Vietnamese.

when people blame Nguyen ANh, and The French for the lost of Thang Long...........you have to read your history again.
lơok at those early pictures taken by the French, there weren';t much left besides the moat wall and few fortresses.

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more Chùa Keo...beautiful
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Đền Chử đồng tử
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This is more than interesting. This is amazing. Those are the best kept secrets of VN cultural heritage. I wonder how long we can keep them from being surrounded or being shadowed by those hideous glass/concrete buildings resulted from a poorly planned urbanization.

Can you guys specify the location of these structures whenever possible? Name of the province would do. Name of the district is even better. I doubt if I ever have chance to visit them but it’s good to know.

Thanks for starting this thread bustayo.

:)

Most of those pagogas locate in the Red River Delta surrounding Hanoi. They have some distinct features such as:
- Use of naked timber.
- Colour scheme: red + black + stone + yellow
- Distine roof curve and roof tile.
- Intricate wood carving on main door.
- Use of brick and cement for foundation.
Perhaps the reason they look good is due to the fact that they make use of timber and they are not colourful.

Those combinations are typical of Northern Vietnam ancient architecture. Central Vietnam (Hue) architecture is quite different and Southern Vietnam (HCM) is very different.

Central Vietnam and Southern Vietnam architecture have different roof pattern and dont make use of timber as much due to hot and humid weather. The timber used in Northern Vietnam architecture are normally treated for an extended period of time before they are used.

Central Vietnam uses mozaic patterns for decoration. Southern Vietnam uses paints for decoration. Both of them painted the wall rather than use red bricks as in Northern Vietnam architecture.

The writing on panels in Northern Vietnam architecture are normally in Chinese whereas in Central and South Vietnam, they are often in Chu Quoc Ngu.

The symbols used in Northern Vietnam architecture centre on crane and turtle whereas there are many more in Central amd South Vietnam architecture such as elephant.

There are many more about the difference in space organisation and other stuff too.

hey thanks a lot guys, these are great stuffs here.
and thanks for the info above.

However, could you guys link or source me any information about the rules for the roof, what animal should be there and what not, as well as what are the distinct difference between Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Mongolian, and Vietnamese?

much appreciated

I went to the Imperial Palace in Japan. It was pretty neat. I wish Vietnam can re-build some of that grand structure to preserve our heritage like what the Japanese have done. I did not know that Thanh Long had such a grand and magnificent palace. Thanks coolink.

I wish there is a massive archeological dig to try to re-discover the palace of Thanh Long. If we can find remnants of it maybe they can guess what the palace looks like. I would like to see an artist rendition of the palace.

I don't think that is possible. They can figure out the foundation. But if they were to rebuild the whole palace it would probably look very different than how it originally looked. If only the king ordered a miniature model of the palace constructed and hidden deep beneath in a secret room of somekind back then.

Otherwise, all we have now is a big guessing game on how it might've looked by looking at the artifacts and remnants.

It must've been massive though because they found massive dragon head sculptures that is thought to be part of the roofing..

Example of how it might've looked.
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However I don't think those decorations on the mid-top right and left belong there. But every other ones are possible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR5ZwGrpSN0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9I1VViX5Xw

Mấy cái này cổ lổ xỉ rồi, bây giờ mà còn xây chi cho mệt. Gặp gió bão thì banh ta long hết.

They're bulding a huge temple complex in Hoa Lu. Expected to be finished by 2010.

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^ waste of space and money. :bash:
The only thing good about that temple complex is how big it is.

The architect or architects of this project failed miserable and really need to retake their ancient Vietnamese architecture class.

I've never felt for such a waste of space.... :ohno:

The whole thing is concrete right? They just try to make it looks wooden

Even though this one didn't follow Vietnamese style architecture... at least they followed a specific style. It isn't trying to be, but it just is. Except that it's trying to be Vietnamese by using Vietnamese style dragons for the roofing. :nuts:

Chùa Minh Thành
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"A huge temple in Hoa Lư" looks like Thiếu Lâm Tư pagoda and Minh Thành looks like a Japan pagoda.
Thiếu Lâm Tự (http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd139/vannamhh/Image%20an%20tuong/namthieulam.jpg)

What do you think about that?

It is typical architecture of pagodas of the South, always a mixture, but sometimes, honestly, a mess.

Quỳnh Lâm pagoda - Đông Triều, Quảng Ninh - have posted before, but very beautiful indeed.
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wtf did they do? such uneducated people.......
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Pls take a look at this temple. It is called Xich Dang Temple of Literature, or Văn Miếu Xích Đằng, which is located in my hometown Hưng Yên.
The structure supporting the roof is quite strange, quite different from most of the normal Vietnamese roof-supporting-structures.
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Mấy cái này cổ lổ xỉ rồi, bây giờ mà còn xây chi cho mệt. Gặp gió bão thì banh ta long hết.

Nhầm to! Mấy nhà này đứng vững cả nghìn năm giời rồi đấy! Chứ nhà bây giờ xây có khi vài năm là ko giật cũng xập rồi!:lol::lol:

Someone should build a temple with Chua Keo Bell Tower style to the max!! w. Tay Phuong's Dragons. :cheers:

do you guys believe in chance of Thang Long Citadel to become World Heritage Site?

cái thread này hay,
mai bàn tiếp, giờ trẫm đi ngủ, 2g sáng rồi

Hoàng Thành Thăng Long phải mở rông ra khao cổ, chứ ai mà xây dựng trong lúc đào, nhưng bây giờ người ta đanjg xây cái nhà quốc hội ông nôi gì đó

Nói về cái nhà Quốc Hội ,phá thì rõ nhanh mà bây giờ lại chẳng thấy động tĩnh gì

Nói về cái nhà Quốc Hội ,phá thì rõ nhanh mà bây giờ lại chẳng thấy động tĩnh gì

Đang hết tiền, mà xây xong cái nhà đẹp để mấy ông bà vào ngồi ngủ gật thì cần gì phải gấp :lol::lol::lol:

do you guys believe in chance of Thang Long Citadel to become World Heritage Site?

Besides several old gates and crumbing walls is there anything left of Thang Long Citadel? I don't think I've ever seen the (aerial) picture of the Citadel and its remnants!

Never been to Hanoi by the way.

:)

I seriously dislike the Minh Thanh Temple. It looks like a Chinese or Japanese temple erected in our country. Why did they do that???

Caokeuqn, this is not a typical temple of the south. Typical architecture of the south should look like this

http://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%90%C3%ACnh_M%E1%BB%B9_Ph%C6%B0%E1%BB%9Bc

They should restore Chua Quynh Lam too, It looked so deserted

Minh Thành pagoda does look like typical Japanese temple.

Japanese temple normally has very solid roofing structure because they have to support snow in winter. The wall of Japanese temple is well enclosed to prevent cold wind.

Chinese ancient architecture does vary a bit from region to region. I think Shang dynasty architecture is the architecture style that the Japanese borrowed a bit in the past. Qing dynasty architecture has many similarities with South Korean architecture we see today. Ming dynasty revived some aspects from the past as well as developed further from the Yuan dynasty.

South Korean and Chinese (Shang, Ming, Qing) use stones and marbles for walls and handrails. Qing painted woods and wall (red+yellow) for decoration. The Japanese use naked timber, rice paper for temple, they use stones, metal for sculptures.

Southern Chinese ancient architecture is quite distinct. It is very colourful and uses some cement. In Hoi An, there are quite a number of them intact.

Ancient architecture generally uses local material to suit climate and cultural practice. In Northern Vietnam, there are limestones and marbles everywhere so there are a good number of temples using it. The climate of Northern Vietnam permits the simplification of roof when compared to the Japanese roof. Woods are plentiful but they need to be treated before use.

In South Vietnam, it is hot and humid all year around so woods can't be used, or else, they will get rotten very quickly and lose strength. The roof is further simplified compared to Northern Vietnamese roof. Porcelain fragments are used for decoration because when northern vietnamese moved south, porcelain was prevalently use among the indigenous. The colour scheme in South Vietnamese architecture is brighter to reflect sunlight and cool down during hot days (if you pay attention to the colour of japanese temple, most are dark because dark surface absorbs sunlight better).

so ancient architecture of a place is suitable for use in that place. To copy and build it somewhere else, the builder needs to consider many things. To build it regardless, the structure wont last long.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=s1jExd6ayPs

I found this video on youtube. Do you guys know how accurate this claim is that the main architect for the Forbidden City was a Viet?

I seriously dislike the Minh Thanh Temple. It looks like a Chinese or Japanese temple erected in our country. Why did they do that???

Caokeuqn, this is not a typical temple of the south. Typical architecture of the south should look like this

http://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%90%C3%ACnh_M%E1%BB%B9_Ph%C6%B0%E1%BB%9Bc

that's the micture of Fukien and Hue, most of the southern architectures are like this because you have to remember there were 40.000 Chinese migrated to southern Vietnam during the Qing dynasty.
and besides the double joint rơofs "trùng thiệp ốc", Hue architecture also has "mái con cua" you can;t find this rơof anywhere outside of VN, even in north Vn.

what is "mái con cua"? take a lơok Lang Ong, Alexander Rhode chapel in saigon Bishops palace, Đình cây mai Biên Hoà, and many more in southern VN

The whole thing is concrete right? They just try to make it looks wooden

no
the biggest wơoden temple in VN


^ waste of space and money. :bash:
The only thing good about that temple complex is how big it is.

The architect or architects of this project failed miserable and really need to retake their ancient Vietnamese architecture class.

I've never felt for such a waste of space.... :ohno:

no
If there's one thing that Vn lack of compare to other countries, architecturally speaking is grandeur
Not that we didn't have them in the past, but personally I think VN building material is so fragile that's hy we lost everything big and grand

take a lơok at cambodia, Thailand and Burma, they have big and grand buildings despite being weaker than VN, and had to sêek VN protection from time to time.
So I don;t think a strong empire like VN didn';t build anything big or grand. It's just that the materials that we used comprised mainly of wơod, just set a flame and everything will turn to ash.

You can't do that with all the concrete temples in Thai, Cambodia, Lao, Burma

so from my point of view, this temple is not a waste of anything, big is gơod.

một vài công trình nho nhỏ tại ninh bình, tiếp thị ké nhé tí nhé

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3154/3095557345_89183d99dd.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3235/3096397888_6c4db7f584.jpg

http://images.travel.channelvn.net/Images/Uploaded/Share/2008/06/2008619154829283/ninhbinh7.gif

http://images.travel.channelvn.net/Images/Uploaded/Share/2008/06/2008619153955580/ninhbinh12.gif

http://citilink.channelvn.net/home/2008619135546377_d20/Di-thuyen-va-luon-hang-o-Trang-An-Ninh-Binh.chn

no
the biggest wơoden temple in VN




no
If there's one thing that Vn lack of compare to other countries, architecturally speaking is grandeur
Not that we didn't have them in the past, but personally I think VN building material is so fragile that's hy we lost everything big and grand

take a lơok at cambodia, Thailand and Burma, they have big and grand buildings despite being weaker than VN, and had to sêek VN protection from time to time.
So I don;t think a strong empire like VN didn';t build anything big or grand. It's just that the materials that we used comprised mainly of wơod, just set a flame and everything will turn to ash.

You can't do that with all the concrete temples in Thai, Cambodia, Lao, Burma

so from my point of view, this temple is not a waste of anything, big is gơod.

It is a waste. Grandeur is good yes, each country has their own way of utilizing their surroundings to construct their empire. Wood is more vunerable compared to mud and bricks etc but that doesn't make wood less grandeur. What matters is how each country use those materials to perfect an architectural style of their own. The problem about that temple isn't because of the materials used to construct it. It just didn't get all the aspects of Vietnamese architecture correct. Maybe there are only 1 or 2 elements but everything else is just plain laziness or ignorance. What matters most about structures is the details, little or small, it makes a big difference. A good architect can still make a grandeur Vietnamese temple that has all the modern needs but still trick the eye by giving off the Vietnamese style feel of it. They can also trick the eye into believing a concrete made structure was made out of wood.

That temple complex failed at all of these.

Even cambodia when they build new big and grandeur buildings they use their old elements. Otherwise, the whole structures is just a fake and easy like all those cheap tubehouses and skyscrapers.


It seems that everything that went down south downgraded imo, language, culture, architecture etc.

Nhà sàn, nhà rông, nhà rường are the best speacial architectures in Vietnam.
Nhà sàn
http://dulich.tuoitre.com.vn/Tianyon/Cache/Thumbnail/409/228409.jpg
http://www.anninhthudo.vn/Tianyon/Cache/Thumbnail/768/9768.jpg
http://www.tienphong.vn/Tianyon/ImageView.aspx?ThumbnailID=153849
Nhà rông
http://www.vnexpress.net/Files/Subject/3B/9F/D7/A6/1docnha.jpg
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t61/phonuicao76/DSCN2409.jpg
http://www.cinet.vn/upLoadFile/HTML/9_48_24_2172008/images/nr561.jpg
Nhà rường
http://a8.vietbao.vn/images/vi65/van-hoa/65117094-large_129041.jpg

I don't know the cause why roof of "nhà rông" is very big.

Found more Tràng An
http://www.baodulich.net.vn/Uploaded/thanhvan/10t4/baidinh1.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3272/2315075379_ae88ae3f72.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3172/2824097866_14c0d690df.jpg

Nhà sàn, nhà rông, nhà rường are the best speacial architectures in Vietnam.
Nhà sàn


Wow, it looks kinda Polynesian looking! LOL

It is a waste. Grandeur is good yes, each country has their own way of utilizing their surroundings to construct their empire. Wood is more vunerable compared to mud and bricks etc but that doesn't make wood less grandeur. What matters is how each country use those materials to perfect an architectural style of their own. The problem about that temple isn't because of the materials used to construct it. It just didn't get all the aspects of Vietnamese architecture correct. Maybe there are only 1 or 2 elements but everything else is just plain laziness or ignorance. What matters most about structures is the details, little or small, it makes a big difference. A good architect can still make a grandeur Vietnamese temple that has all the modern needs but still trick the eye by giving off the Vietnamese style feel of it. They can also trick the eye into believing a concrete made structure was made out of wood.

That temple complex failed at all of these.

Even cambodia when they build new big and grandeur buildings they use their old elements. Otherwise, the whole structures is just a fake and easy like all those cheap tubehouses and skyscrapers.


It seems that everything that went down south downgraded imo, language, culture, architecture etc.


elaborate more on your view on Bai Dinh temple, why is it a failure in true VN architecture?
I'm not dissagrêe with you, I just want to know

I felt the same way as you the first time I saw it. But now that read more about the Vietnamese history, I think this temple has done great job in preserving historical vietnamese architecture

I don;t know if you or anyone here have heard there used to be a temple in VN so big, it tơok a person from early dawn till late afternơon to close all the dơors. around 6-7am, to 4-5pm.

I want to reconstruct that kind of structure

^
Proportion
Curvature
Glass facade
They simplified everything
and unwisely mixed modern elements
that destroyed it's value.
It's now no different than those other cement temples in Vietnam.

A good example of a traditional asian temple built in cement
is the Korean's blue house.

Some pics of Đình Làng, a specialty of Northern Villages.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/186/479966025_fb73340b01.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3285/2823720939_f4c91aee64_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3193/2823720853_7a24f1a30c_o.jpg
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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2053/2251438925_373e29ec0e.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1123/779698536_b5d5253a4e.jpg

More "Đình-Làngs":lol:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2052/2379782519_0a684df853_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2036/2397635719_2b3dfe3526.jpg
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wow, these Dinh Lang are pretty. Some were repaired, the other still look pretty worn out.
I wish we have had preserved these types of buildings.
This one is pretty too, but look what they have done to it
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31753362@N07/3012213740/sizes/o/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31753362@N07/3012181384/sizes/o/in/photostream/

wow, these Dinh Lang are pretty. Some were repaired, the other still look pretty worn out.
I wish we have had preserved these types of buildings.
This one is pretty too, but look what they have done to it
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31753362@N07/3012213740/sizes/o/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31753362@N07/3012181384/sizes/o/in/photostream/

Yeah, a stupid gate blocks in front

One sad reality was that in the past it was also Vietnamese themselves that stripped down these traditional structures for a more "van minh" society. I think that was when we were still France's colony, and I guess Vietnamese at the time felt inferior to the French so they themselves sort of helped the French destroy our own culture. Their mindset was Van Minh=French style.
There was a short documentation on this on one of the VTV channels. There were actual clips of us tearing down pretty nice looking architectural structures and gates etc.
It was not until the modern days (after seeing how much others appreciated Vietnamese architecture) that Vietnamese themselves saw the value of their own traditional structures. Pity Pity.

One sad reality was that in the past it was also Vietnamese themselves that stripped down these traditional structures for a more "van minh" society. I think that was when we were still France's colony, and I guess Vietnamese at the time felt inferior to the French so they themselves sort of helped the French destroy our own culture. Their mindset was Van Minh=French style.
There was a short documentation on this on one of the VTV channels. There were actual clips of us tearing down pretty nice looking architectural structures and gates etc.
It was not until the modern days (after seeing how much others appreciated Vietnamese architecture) that Vietnamese themselves saw the value of their own traditional structures. Pity Pity.

we cannot blame people, because they were in the transition period. The period of integrating and colliding betwêen cultures.
Not a single country on this planet could escape that. Every country in Asia had colonial architectures, even Thailand , and they weren;t colonize by anyone. so was Japan.

But we should blame the people of the modern days. These people have the frêedom and choices.

^
Proportion
Curvature
Glass facade
They simplified everything
and unwisely mixed modern elements
that destroyed it's value.
It's now no different than those other cement temples in Vietnam.

A good example of a traditional asian temple built in cement
is the Korean's blue house.

I say

proportion
not important, who knows, back in the days of Ly, Tran, Le dynasties there were huge structures like that?
You have to get away from the stigma that ancient Vietnamese architecture is small

curvature
I say it lơoks alright. From certain angles it lơoks pretty nice actually.
although at first I admit I didn't like the rơof of the main hall, because it;s kind of weird.
But it's weird on ground level. If you were to view it from a distance, or on top of a mountain, it's lơok great.

glass
I agrêe they shouldn't use glass, or atleast use foggy glass, so it sêems like rice paper. But most of the old temples around the world including VN do have glass when they introduced by westerners in the 19th century. Even crystal chandeliers.
Plus this is gơod for protection against the humid climate, and kêep all the bugs, birds, insects out.
You have to go to the country side in Vn and sêe, 7-8pm people are all in bed inside their mosquito nets. basically, not only mosquitos, but all kinds of insects flying around the house, it's scary.

By proportion I mean, proportion of pillars to roof etc. Hard to explain. If you look at VN temples even though they're small they look big (until someone stands next to it).
The curvature=very tang dynasty china-like haven't seen Vietnamese architecture with that sharp of a curvature.

What you're basically saying is that even though it is a false signature of VN temple it is acceptable even though it isn't of good quality. As long as it meets our wants.
What I'm saying is that it's okay to incorporate new features and ways to create a better more modern signature, but it has to blend in and look natural (as if it were always there in the signature). Hence this complex automatically grouped itself along with all the other modern Vietnamese temple wannabe's. Ex: Korea, and Japan flawlessly incorporated modern features in their ancient style architectures.

Yes, there have been mixtures of architectural styles in the past, but in Vietnam many of them are horrible, they don't look natural. It's like you live in an ancient house, someone introduces you to new materials and before you do any calculation of any sort you just stick those materials onto your house. The result is it doesn't blend very well. You can see this all over Vietnam.

I can see Vietnam traditional characteristics at some sky buildings in Vietnam.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_j8mqjBTn3vY/SATPfF4yWcI/AAAAAAAAEEE/UxlJfrSxASg/TPHCM_KTSaigonTradeCenter.jpg

In the above photo, you can see Vietnam traditional roof on the top of Saigon Trade Center building and adjacent building, too. Vietnam traditional architecture is always found at any buildings in Vietnam, even Independence Palace or People's committee building.

Quỳnh Lâm pagoda - Đông Triều, Quảng Ninh - have posted before, but very beautiful indeed.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v360/ptwop/Quang%20Ninh%202006/IMG_7981.jpg


Beautiful! I love these towers gardens.

Nam sau minh dinh ra Bac choi, dong thoi di tham cac lang , chua co Bac Bo va xem cac kien truc co thoi thuoc dia va truoc thuoc dia o mien Dong Bac Bo, co ai lam tour guide ko?

Thành Sơn Tây
http://hinhxua.free.fr/autrefois/docteur-hocquard/page1/citadelle_de_SonTay.jpg

Chùa Mía Sơn Tây
http://duonglam.vn/duonglam_fck_uploads/Image/3176_DOOL_CD_080326_T2_2(1).jpg

Lăng ông bà Chiểu
http://people.freenet.de/thachbich/LangOng.jpg

Please only Kinh Vietnamese architecture.
If it aint Kinh you are most welcomed to create a new thread for it.

Unless you are doing a comparison.

The Kinh people account for nearly 90 percent of Vietnam's total population. but Vietnam is a country with many nationalities groups. You shouldn't suffer racial discrimination although some of them are ethnic minority.

Chùa Mía
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1105/1418462392_96bff89442.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3170/2407270108_93f1205c21.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3175/2583631606_52d68a2569.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/24798860_5208fc48ba.jpg

The Kinh people account for nearly 90 percent of Vietnam's total population. but Vietnam is a country with many nationalities groups. You shouldn't suffer racial discrimination although some of them are ethnic minority.
Sigh, it's not racial discrimination. Read the thread information and title.
This is a thread made specifically to focus on Kinh Vietnamese architecture. If you want to focus on other Vietnamese architecture create another thread.
When anyone mentions Vietnamese it automatically assumes association with Kinh.
But, it doesn't mean the other ethnicities aren't Viet.

Wow :bash::ohno:

Ngũ Hành Sơn Pagoda
http://www.humbert-online.de/pic/vietnam054.jpg

http://www.travel.com.vn/UserFiles/Image/chua%20chien%20nhs.jpg

http://www.ndcsa.com/newsmedia/album/2008/DSCF4609.jpg

Châu Đốc pagoda
http://www.hanhdungtourist.com.vn/hdtiengviet/images/content/hatien_01.jpg

Bút Tháp pagoda
http://www.vietimes.com.vn/Library/Images/32/2008/02/8204_but_thap_1.jpg
Tây Phương pagoda
http://lenduong.gdc.vn/UserFiles/tayphuong1gg5.jpg
http://www.vinhnghiemvn.com/pictures/tayphuong.jpg
Bát Nhã pagoda
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n285/thachbichdaonguyen/BatNha_1.jpg

please, nidoken, read the thread's first post beofore you post.

"authentic" vietnamese architecture only please remove the pics that do not apply
none of the cheaply modern made ones

Sigh, it's not racial discrimination. Read the thread information and title.
This is a thread made specifically to focus on Kinh Vietnamese architecture. If you want to focus on other Vietnamese architecture create another thread.
When anyone mentions Vietnamese it automatically assumes association with Kinh.
But, it doesn't mean the other ethnicities aren't Viet.

Wow :bash::ohno:

Why doesn't it?

And define who's a "Kinh" please? Do your great grand parents call themselves "Kinh" in 1874? :lol:

Why doesn't it?

And define who's a "Kinh" please? Do your great grand parents call themselves "Kinh" in 1874? :lol:

That's why theres confusion.
We used to call ourselves Viet only, but since now in the modern age anyone in Vietnam is Vietnamese. Since that's the case I guess we needed something to distinguish ourselves from the rest of the 54 ethnics. Now we can be like Americans. Kinh-Vietnamese, Khmer-Vietnamese, tai-Vietnamese.
Each have their own distinct culture, architecture, language etc.
If we just call ourselves Vietnamese, people like nidoken will be offended if we start talking about a specific culture because Vietnamese according to many people doesn't only consist of Kinh Vietnamese ethnic and culture, achitecture, language.

Personally we should've called ourselves aulactians HAHA since it makes more sense ethnically.

ha ha Chau Doc pagoda

Are you laughing because it's not ancient?

Chùa Vạn Đức, Thủ Đức
http://www.quangduc.com/vietnam/chuaviet/tphcm/chuavanduc.jpg

Tịnh xá Ngọc Viên, Vĩnh Long
http://vuontamhoi.net/UserFiles/SmallImg/96173034d3c.jpg

Chùa Đại Tòng Lâm, Vũng Tàu
http://www.chuyenphapluan.com/uploads/09.-Chua-Dai-Tong-Lam.gif

Học viện phật giáo TPHCM
http://www.thuvienhoasen.org/hocvienphatgiaovietnam-hochiminh-01.jpg

Chùa Dâu
http://vietnam.vnanet.vn/VNP_Upload/News/2008-5/12/VN51HL.JPG

ha ha Chau Doc pagoda

Chùa Châu Đốc là chùa Bà núi Sam hay sao, nghe nói rất linh thiêng, hàng năm có rất nhiều người đến đây cầu phước cầu lộc.

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/a1vts/v3i_oct_07/21-06-07_2005.jpg

Nhà thờ Phát Diệm và nhà thờ Đức Bà có là kiến trúc cổ?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/vi/thumb/4/43/Nhathodaphatdiem3.jpg/800px-Nhathodaphatdiem3.jpg
http://vqvn.com/getdetailimage.asp?Path=uploadimages%2F2007_08%2FVPB0PDU6MM10671xgMdsJnIrw.jpg

Wow this thread is ruined.:bash::nuts:

Guys read the first post before posting.
Theres already a thread in this forum for Vietnamese temples.
We are trying to focus on Ancient Vietnamese temples in this thread.

Jimmyfa: only your phat diem cathedral and chua dau fits "Ancient Vietnamese". All your other temples doesn't fit in this thread.

Sigh, Gotta save this thread from all the ignorance. :banana:

Chùa Láng
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Nhà Bát Giác
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Nhà Thờ Phát Diệm (Ancient Vietnamese Architectural Masterpiece)
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Hoa Lư (Đền Đinh??)
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I agree, I suggest that jimmyfa remove his posts ASAP. Don't post pictures of any buildings that does not used ancient architecture

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Thành Cổ Sơn Tây (reconstruction?)
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A lot of newspaper criticized this reconstruction of the Son Tay. They used modern material such as cement as you can see on the wall. Also, I dont think the Son Tay had a flag pole originally. I heard only the HaNoi and Bac Ninh are those of the northern citadels that had flag poles

From the picture, the reconstructed temple doesnt even look like the origina once

A lot of newspaper criticized this reconstruction of the Son Tay. They used modern material such as cement as you can see on the wall. Also, I dont think the Son Tay had a flag pole originally. I heard only the HaNoi and Bac Ninh are those of the northern citadels that had flag poles

yes, Son Tay has the flap tower
click on here to sêe more

http://nguyentl.free.fr/html/cadre_sommaire_vn.htm

obviously people have missing the point
they can't recognize "ancient northern Vietnamese architecture"


Chùa Châu Đốc là chùa Bà núi Sam hay sao, nghe nói rất linh thiêng, hàng năm có rất nhiều người đến đây cầu phước cầu lộc.

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nhà rông, nhà rường, nhà chùa, nhà thờ, mà mi posted không có cái nào đúng hết. mi có hiểu kiến trúc cổ miền bắc không?

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Yea, there's a flag pole. From this picture, there's a lot of building surrounding that flag pole. I hope one day they can reconstruct all those buildings.

Thanh Giong Temple - Đền Gióng

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Amazingly, I've found this temple.
Putuo Zhongcheng Temple in China, Built in Càn Long period.
Pls take notice of the roof
I wonder whether they borrowed something from us(sorry its just my assumption:))
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I agree, I suggest that jimmyfa remove his posts ASAP. Don't post pictures of any buildings that does not used ancient architecture

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Công nhận trình độ INH LÍT PHO TU ĐÂY tốt thật.

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Công nhận trình độ INH LÍT PHO TU ĐÂY tốt thật.

Giving chances to discuss by English is one thing that I feel interesting about SCC.

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Công nhận trình độ INH LÍT PHO TU ĐÂY tốt thật.

ta dám chắc những người mà bạn chê ANh Văn, sử dụng tiếng Anh giỏi hơn bạn, đây là forum, không phải viết thesis cho university

À, Từ vựng thì Ok nhưng viết sai ngữ pháp căn bản nhiều quá. Cái này thì chỉ cần qua translate.google.com rồi dịch tiếng Việt thành tiếng Anh là xong.

đâu phải người ta không biết, mà người ta lên đây viết nhanh viết lẹ. đọc tin tức xong là tắt máy.

bây giờ ta maà ngồi moi lại những bài ta viết sai thì bạn có mà chóng mặt. ta biết sai chứ, sai ve sầu luôn.........nhưng ta đầu có ngồi mò,..ta đánh máy không nhìn bàn phím, ta đánh bài theo suy nghĩ không theo cái gì cả. Phần nhiều ở đây ai cũng vậy

Cô, thầy giáo dạy văn trung học của ta lúc nào cũng mang theo cái từ điển bên cạnh, không người nào hoàn hảo và không phải ai cũng có cơ hội vào Hội Việt Mỹ học ANh Văn

Ko biet thang cu nidoken co noi cai bang dai hoc ko ma che trinh do tieng Anh cua tui. LOL

Neu ma chi la trinh do Hoi Viet My thi dung nen tu cao vay nghe em!!!

In Viet Nam for the past 3 weeks [but home in the US now]. When going up the dike road to see a kite builder I passed dinh Chem, saw that there was some tile roofing work being done and made a point of returning the next morning. I made several photos of the complex and got a lot of pleasure in seeing the reconstruction of one of the buildings. I can't say with a lot of knowledge how much this reflects Kinh architecture, but believe that it does and that the opportunity to see the building in-progress was special, so am sharing this with you all. First a couple of GoogleEarth shots to locate dinh Chem for those of you not familiar with Ha Noi:
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Then a tour around the complex at ground level:
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Then to the building being reconstructed:
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And a lone image of one of the roof finials drying in the courtyard:
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I have several more photos of the complex, but this will do. The roof being still in the process of tiling so that all the details are open to the sky, with the color of the unpainted raw wood gives a pretty good idea of a lot of the construction details which get hidden for centuries under paint and a finished roof. You will know from my other postings that I consider construction details very interesting.

Regards...rdw3rd

obviously people have missing the point
they can't recognize "ancient northern Vietnamese architecture"
nhà rông, nhà rường, nhà chùa, nhà thờ, mà mi posted không có cái nào đúng hết. mi có hiểu kiến trúc cổ miền bắc không?
Nhìn những hoa văn trên trống đồng thời Hùng Vương còn giống hoa văn của dân tộc Tây Nguyên hơn là hoa văn ở Thăng LOng nữa là khác.

Trống Đồng Tây Nguyên và trống đồng thời Hùng Vương.
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Phải chăng trong 1000 năm Bắc thuộc thì một số người thời Hùng VƯơng chạy lên núi trốn thoát nên không bị ảnh hưởng văn hóa Trung HOa và còn giữ được bản sắc thời Hùng Vương?

Chùa Sóc Thiên Vương
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Đền Cửa Ông
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Vietnamese covered bridges makes me smile :)

We got to incorporate at least one larger version of those for at least one of our Major Cities in the future.

If you want those buildings to last for long time, I think the best solution is to use concrete imitation, then again, the value wouldn;t be the same

with these new erected wơoden buildings, I say they with VN climate they will last 50-60ys max

Vietnamese covered bridges makes me smile :)

We got to incorporate at least one larger version of those for at least one of our Major Cities in the future.

I thought the same to, I planned 1 for Cholon in Saigon, but I don;t think anyone will build them

If you want those buildings to last for long time, I think the best solution is to use concrete imitation, then again, the value wouldn;t be the same

with these new erected wơoden buildings, I say they with VN climate they will last 50-60ys max

It's possible as long as they make good use of the concrete.

For example the Korea's blue house.

All they need to do is make the concrete structure look as if it were built in pieces (like wood) that way the value would be kept because the details are still there. If they want to use glass they just need to know where to place it in order for it to not ruin the value and overall look of the structure.

Just use concrete in the way you'd use wood, or carve details and lines on it to make it feel and look as if it was made in pieces like wood. All ancient structures were made that way and those seperate pieces are what gives the details plus the carvings. One obvious difference between ancient and modern structures is one is built as if it were one piece while the other isn't.

All we need to do is look at Roman architecture or all European architecture. Look at how they create the small details for their structures using concrete.

I think it's just the habit that our ancestors built houses using wơod, not because they didn't know how to use brick and cement.
Lơok at all the ancient gates, bridges, fortresses and flag towers built using bricks and cement. they knew how to use those techique and materials.

If only they did that with all the ancient palaces, temples and pagodas....imagine how much ancient buildings stil remain today like Angkor Wat and all those hundred years old temples in Cambodia, Laos and Burma.


you kêep mentioning Korea blue house, what is that?

I think it's just the habit that our ancestors built houses using wơod, not because they didn't know how to use brick and cement.
Lơok at all the ancient gates, bridges, fortresses and flag towers built using bricks and cement. they knew how to use those techique and materials.

If only they did that with all the ancient palaces, temples and pagodas....imagine how much ancient buildings stil remain today like Angkor Wat and all those hundred years old temples in Cambodia, Laos and Burma.


you kêep mentioning Korea blue house, what is that?

South Korea's Blue House is the presidential residence of the ROK president. In the US it is the White House. In Korea it is the Blue House. A group of North Korean assassins penetrated the Blue House and tried to kill Park Chung Hee back in the 70s. They almost succeeded except for an alert police guard who rang the alarm. The NK assassins did manage to kill Park's wife though. It is was very tragic for President Park.

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these Cong Lang is desperately in need of restoration. I can imagine they would be so pretty if they're properly repaired

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If any new temple will be built in VN in new future, I think they should be built like this one
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Notice that the the frame of this building is made of concrete, yet the entire structure still retains certain essential elements that make it look like a wooden building.

Out of all the Vietnamese buddhist temples in the U.S., this one did the best job in mimicking Vietnamese architecture. Even though it's not close to perfect, it's definitely better-looking than other temples from the outside

http://vnlisting.homelinux.com/ducvien.org/main/index.php?request=chuaducvien/ducvienpt

Chùa Keo Hành Thiện, tức chùa Keo của làng Hành Thiện, Xã Xuân Hồng, Huyện Xuân Trường, tỉnh Nam Định
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Vào hội
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Cổng làng
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Việt Nam cũng giống Campuchia quá.

Việt Nam cũng giống Campuchia quá.

Ở điểm nào? Văn hóa? Kiến trúc? Con người?

Hoi An ancient town.
Phố cổ Hội An, mình thấy chỗ này đâu có gì đâu mà sao nhiều người thích. Thấy nó cũng giống mấy khu phố nghèo ở các tp lớn thôi.
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Nhìn thấy có gì đâu, giống như mấy phố nghèo ở Hà Nội, phố người Hoa hay ở quận 8 TPHCM thôi.

Bạn nikoden nói gì lạ quá , phố nghèo làm sao mà đc như thế này ,

Phố "cổ" Hà Nội
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Phố Chợ Lớn
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Phố Hà Nội
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Đà Nẵng
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Mai mốt phải công nhận mấy chỗ này là khu phố cổ.

Tiếp tục hình ảnh Hội An
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Lăng Thoại Ngọc Hầu, An Giang
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Lăng Lê Văn Duyệt, TPHCm
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Phố cổ ở mấy chỗ khác còn được bê tông còn phố cổ Sài Gòn nè
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Cười người hôm trước hôm sau người cười.

Hoi An ancient town.
Phố cổ Hội An, mình thấy chỗ này đâu có gì đâu mà sao nhiều người thích. Thấy nó cũng giống mấy khu phố nghèo ở các tp lớn thôi.

Tui cũng vậy, thấy phố cổ Hội An không được đẹp cho lắm. Đáng tiếc đây là khu phố cổ duy nhất trên cả nước còn khá nguyên vẹn.

Trên khắp nước Việt Nam ta đã hầu như biến mất những khu phố như thế này

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Thực sự tôi thấy buồn khi phần lớn người Việt Nam lại không hề hiểu về Kiến trúc truyền thống của chính dân tộc mình. Lên diễn đàn vẫn có nhiều người nói rằng kiến trúc truyển thống Việt Nam là loại đi copy của Tàu, còn kiến trúc của Nhật Bản hay Triều Tiên là cực kỳ có truyền thống, có bản sắc(sự thực là ngược lại). Phải chăng chính sự thiếu hiểu biết về truyền thống dân tộc này, đã góp phần không nhỏ làm nên bộ mặt của đất nước ngày hôm nay, với những ngôi nhà ống, những cục bê tông gạch vữa kệch cỡm, thiếu óc thẩm mỹ, đang phá hoại dần bộ mặt của những làng quê, thành phố, và cả bộ mặt của đất nước?
Sorry đây chỉ là ý kiến của riêng tôi, do bức xúc lâu ngày. Có gì mọi người thông cảm.

- Tập đoàn Bảo Sơn vừa cho ra mắt công viên giải trí "Thiên đường Bảo Sơn", khu vui chơi giải trí lớn nhất miền Bắc, với vốn đầu tư ban đầu lên tới 50 triệu USD. Không nhiều doanh nghiệp tư nhân dám bỏ khoản tiền không nhỏ này đầu tư cho văn hóa.

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Phố cổ Hà Nội trong công viên

Cách hồ Hoàn Kiếm 12km, cách trung tâm Hội nghị quốc tế 4km, cách SVĐ Mỹ Đình chỉ 3km, nằm bên trái đường Láng - Hòa Lạc tại km số 8, công viên rộng khoảng 20ha này là một phần trong tổng thể dự án xây dựng, phát triển khu đô thị mới Lê Trọng Tấn - An Khánh, Hà Nội. Vị trí này được xem là một trong những trung tâm chính trị, kinh tế, văn hóa của Hà Nội mới.

Tọa lạc trên một không gian rộng lớn và thoáng đãng, dự án này có các hạng mục chính như khu biệt thự, khu vui chơi giải trí, khu biểu diễn bao gồm khu vực chiếu phim nổi laser, nhạc nước kết hợp sân khấu đa năng và thế giới đại dương, khu làng nghề truyền thống Việt Nam, khu du lịch sinh thái Việt Nam, khu phố cổ, khu ẩm thực và biểu diễn nghệ thuật với món ăn đặc sắc 3 miền.

Điểm đặc trưng nổi bật là khu phố cổ Hà Nội được phục dựng lại, tái hiện cuộc sống sinh hoạt của người dân Trường An cuối thế kỷ 19 đầu thế kỷ 20, với hơn 20 căn nhà liền kề được thiết kế và xây dựng theo kiến trúc Hà Nội cổ. Mỗi căn nhà là các cửa hàng trưng bày và kinh doanh sản phẩm truyền thống được sắp xếp đảm bảo sự hài hòa sinh động về Hà Nội xưa.

Khu vực phố cổ này được nhà sử học Dương Trung Quốc và GS Lê Văn Lan tư vấn, ngăn cách với phần còn lại của công viên bằng cổng ra vào mang kiến trúc cổng Ô Quan Chưởng. Các sản phẩm được trưng bày và kinh doanh trong khu phố cổ bao gồm: nhà trưng bày về Hà Nội; tiệm ảnh; tranh đá quý; quán cà phê cổ; cửa hàng đồng hồ kính bút; cửa hàng chim cá cảnh; cửa hàng đồ gốm; cửa hàng đồ giả cổ; cửa hàng đồ đồng; cửa hàng sơn mài; cửa hàng tơ lụa; cửa hàng thuốc bắc; cửa hàng tẩm quất, hát ả đào; cửa hàng vàng bạc; cửa hàng nhạc cụ dân tộc; cửa hàng ô mai, bánh mứt kẹo dân tộc và nhà thành hoàng. Mái cong, mái vẩy, hàng cà-phê rồi hàng tào phớ, xanh đỏ hàng tò he bên những bóng áo nâu non quẩy gánh cốm xanh, cột điện giăng mắc, đèn lồng bên những đầu ngói hình rồng Việt. Có người cho rằng, phố cổ Hà Nội ở đây hiện lên đẹp, thoáng giống tranh Bùi Xuân Phái hơn là những gì đang diễn ra ở khu 36 phố phường.

Khách đến nơi có thể dựng thành “phim trường phố cổ” này có thể thưởng ngoạn, thưởng thức những món ăn và những dịch vụ đã từng có trong lịch sử Hà Nội. Khách cũng có thể ngồi xe kéo, xích lô hoặc thả bộ trên những vỉa hè đượm không khí cổ. Thật tiếc, khi diện tích khu vực phố cổ này mới chỉ có 5.000m2.

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Hình này ở đâu mà ngay ngắn gọn gàng quá! Nhà có hơi nhỏ nhưng ngăn nắp.
Về quy hoạch đồng bộ thì ở Hà Nội có Ciputra, TPHCM có Phú Mỹ Hưng(http://www.flickr.com/photos/13452605@N04/2480146825/), tiếc là 2 khu đó chỉ dành cho người giàu thôi.

hình 3d đấy

3d mà giống thật, ai làm mà khéo quá ta.

Thêm một vài hình ảnh nước ta cách đây khoảng hơn 100 năm:

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Và thử so sánh với 100 năm sau.....:ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno:

Mấy cái phố cổ này thiết kế, vật liệu đơn giản. Xây lại dễ ẹc có điều là không ai xây và không có đất để xây.

Trời ơi, làm sao so sánh phố cổ hội an với khu nhà ổ chuột ở Sài Gòn được. Khu đó lồi lõm thấy ghê, chẳng có một kiến trúc cụ thể nào, nhà toàn lợp tạm bợ bằng mái tôn.

Sở dĩ phố cổ Hội An trông không đẹp bằng Hà Nội thời xưa vì có lẽ nó kô đuợc authentic cho lắm. Bởi vì nó là cảng buôn bán mà. Nên kiến trúc Tây Tàu Ta lẫn lộn. Phố cổ Hà Nội dĩ nhỉên dùng kiến trúc thuần tuý phố cổ VN nên đặc sắc hơn

Xây lại thì dễ nhưng vấn đề là xây bằng vật liệu gì, nếu xây lại bằng gỗ thường thì chắc vài năm lại xuống cấp rồi trùng tu quay vòng nữa. Còn nếu dùng synthetic wood thì mắc tiền hơn.

Nhưng cái vấn đề cốt lõi vẫn là có muốn làm hay kô. Xem ra nhà nước ta kô có vẻ hào hứng với việc này. Liếc mắt nhìn sang bên Tàu mà thấy ganh tị. Từ những năm 80 tới giờ, họ trùng tu, sửa chữa, phục dựng lại biết bao di tích lịch sử có giá trị bằng nguyên liệu mới.

Còn tư nhân sao cũng kô thấy ai có vẻ thiết tha với việc đầu tư, phát triển các di tích lịch sử này. Thay vì xây những cái thứ tốn tiền, kô giá trị lịch sử như Đại Nam ở Bình Dương hay chùa Bái Đính ở Ninh Bình, các công ty này đã có thể đầu tư vào việc trùng tu các di tích đã có sẵn hoặc phục dưng các phố cổ thế này để phát triển du lịch. Bảo đảm khác nước ngoài sẽ thích hơn những cái khu du lịch kia.

Xây chắc để phục vụ du lịch hay làm phim trường thôi, bây giờ kiến trúc hiện đại, người ta thích vì nó tiện lợi hơn. Người ta có xu hướng chọn những gì có lợi nhất, ngày xưa do ngăn sông cách núi bị biển chặn nên những nhóm dân tộc nào quan hệ với nhau sẽ bắt chước, lai căn kiến trúc của nhau sao cho đạt được lợi ích nhất cho mình. Vì thế hình thành nên một số nhóm kiến trúc đặc trưng như Châu Âu, Trung Quốc, Ai Cập, Chăm pa, Hồi Giáo, Ấn Độ, Maya... Ngày nay không còn rào cản về địa lý nên đều thấy lai căn lẫn nhau, kiến trúc hiện đại là kiến trúc thống nhất trên thế giới, người ta tự do sáng tạo, không có đặc trưng nào hết và nó mang lại sự thuận tiện cho con người, chống lại bão, động đất, chống lún, có thể đứng trên vùng đất yếu, chịu tác động bên ngoài, nổi trên mặt nước, nằm ngoài khơi, bay trên trời..., không thể bắt phải theo kiến trúc xưa hết vì nó có thể mang giá trị dân tộc nhưng thiếu giá trị khoa học, không phù hợp xung quanh, nếu xây thì cũng phải thêm một vài tính kỹ thuật, hiện đại cho phù hợp với ngày nay. Kiến trúc ngày nay là kiến trúc thông minh, của khoa học, kỹ thuật, chỉ có điều là không có xiền thôi. Đúng không Bác?:)

Thực ra không phải nhà nước không muốn làm, mà đang có những cố gắng để trùng tu phục hồi những công trình cổ, có thể lấy ví dụ như Văn Miếu Quốc Tử Giám, hay làng cổ Đường Lâm... Theo tôi vấn đề nằm ở ý thức người dân nhiều hơn. Tại sao xây dựng những ngôi nhà theo phong cách truyền thống dân tộc không hề quá khó, lại không xây, mà lại đi đâm đầu xây những căn nhà quái đản như hiện nay. Mỗi lần về thăm quê, tôi lại thấy những cục bê tông gạch vữa ấy mọc lên ngày càng dày hơn, phá nát bộ mặt làng quê truyền thống. Nó giống như nhà nước thì cố làm, còn dân thì thi nhau phá.
Thực ra không nhất thiết phải là gỗ. Có không ít cách để làm cột kèo giả gỗ, mà vẫn y như gỗ thật. Nếu là những công trình có giá trị lịch sử thì mới cần gỗ thật, chứ nếu chỉ xây với mục đích gia dụng thì không nhất thiết. Như thế sẽ tiết kiệm chi phí hơn.

Tiền nào của náy, nhà hồi xưa nhỏ hẹp còn bây giờ đông thì phải xây lầu tầng hai tầng ba, chống lũ lụt, động đất, gió bão. Nhớ hồi đó Hà Nội bị lũ năm thìn chết biết bao nhiêu người, gió bão cũng gây thiệt hại nhân mạng không kém.Tấc đất tấc vàng, mua thêm miếng đất đụng nhà kế bên nên phải xây lầu để tăng thêm không gian.
Nếu trùng tu lại thì cũng lấy vật liệu mới cho bền hơn, sử dụng bê tông cốt thép chứ không lẽ dùng đất sét trộn tro trấu như hồi xưa.
Đất hẹp người đông, đành chịu thôi

Cứ tưởng tượng hồi xưa mình chưa hiểu hội hoạ thì mình thích tranh được vẽ rõ ràng, còn bây giờ cao siêu hiểu được trường phái trừu tượng thì mình thấy giá trị của tranh Picasso. Suy diễn thêm, khi đứng trên cao quan sát xuống thành phố hồi xưa thấy nó ngăn nắp, gọn gàng, một bức tranh đồng quê yên bình dễ hiểu theo ý của mình, làm mình thư thái, dễ chịu, còn bây giờ nhìn xuống thì mình thấy nó là bức tranh Picasso và có nhiều điều suy nghĩ ở bức tranh đó hơn là bức tranh tả thực cánh đồng quê.:lol::lol::lol:
1 bức tranh trừu tượng ở Đà Nẵng http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4238/81126373gf9.jpg

Nhiều khi trừu tượng quá nên ít ai hiểu. :lol::lol::lol:

Thực ra không phải nhà nước không muốn làm, mà đang có những cố gắng để trùng tu phục hồi những công trình cổ, có thể lấy ví dụ như Văn Miếu Quốc Tử Giám, hay làng cổ Đường Lâm... Theo tôi vấn đề nằm ở ý thức người dân nhiều hơn. Tại sao xây dựng những ngôi nhà theo phong cách truyền thống dân tộc không hề quá khó, lại không xây, mà lại đi đâm đầu xây những căn nhà quái đản như hiện nay. Mỗi lần về thăm quê, tôi lại thấy những cục bê tông gạch vữa ấy mọc lên ngày càng dày hơn, phá nát bộ mặt làng quê truyền thống. Nó giống như nhà nước thì cố làm, còn dân thì thi nhau phá.
Thực ra không nhất thiết phải là gỗ. Có không ít cách để làm cột kèo giả gỗ, mà vẫn y như gỗ thật. Nếu là những công trình có giá trị lịch sử thì mới cần gỗ thật, chứ nếu chỉ xây với mục đích gia dụng thì không nhất thiết. Như thế sẽ tiết kiệm chi phí hơn.


That's why I think private company should invest their money in these things, transforming them into a cultural tourist places which can also be used for filming instead of wasting money on Dai Nam kinda thing. Too bad, most Vietnamese don't even know much about our own architecture and don't even think about preserving it

Xây chắc để phục vụ du lịch hay làm phim trường thôi, bây giờ kiến trúc hiện đại, người ta thích vì nó tiện lợi hơn. Người ta có xu hướng chọn những gì có lợi nhất, ngày xưa do ngăn sông cách núi bị biển chặn nên những nhóm dân tộc nào quan hệ với nhau sẽ bắt chước, lai căn kiến trúc của nhau sao cho đạt được lợi ích nhất cho mình. Vì thế hình thành nên một số nhóm kiến trúc đặc trưng như Châu Âu, Trung Quốc, Ai Cập, Chăm pa, Hồi Giáo, Ấn Độ, Maya... Ngày nay không còn rào cản về địa lý nên đều thấy lai căn lẫn nhau, kiến trúc hiện đại là kiến trúc thống nhất trên thế giới, người ta tự do sáng tạo, không có đặc trưng nào hết và nó mang lại sự thuận tiện cho con người, chống lại bão, động đất, chống lún, có thể đứng trên vùng đất yếu, chịu tác động bên ngoài, nổi trên mặt nước, nằm ngoài khơi, bay trên trời..., không thể bắt phải theo kiến trúc xưa hết vì nó có thể mang giá trị dân tộc nhưng thiếu giá trị khoa học, không phù hợp xung quanh, nếu xây thì cũng phải thêm một vài tính kỹ thuật, hiện đại cho phù hợp với ngày nay. Kiến trúc ngày nay là kiến trúc thông minh, của khoa học, kỹ thuật, chỉ có điều là không có xiền thôi. Đúng không Bác?:)

Of course I don't oppose building new structures. Remember this is a forum about skyscraper, Im here cuz Im interested in these modern structure. My message is that Vietnam indeed lacks historical sites!! Even compared to our neightbor Cambodia. We need to restore our rich cultural tradition!!! Yes, ppl can live in nice modern if they want, i'm not proposing to change that. I just think we really need to restore historical sites and make it a tourist place. For modern need, we can also built houses that has both ancient and contemporary elements like they do in Japan.

Of course I don't oppose building new structures. Remember this is a forum about skyscraper, Im here cuz Im interested in these modern structure. My message is that Vietnam indeed lacks historical sites!! Even compared to our neightbor Cambodia. We need to restore our rich cultural tradition!!! Yes, ppl can live in nice modern if they want, i'm not proposing to change that. I just think we really need to restore historical sites and make it a tourist place. For modern need, we can also built houses that has both ancient and contemporary elements like they do in Japan.


That was what I noticed about Tokyo too. There are so many aesthetic temples in the heart of Tokyo. It is nice balance of modernity and old Tokyo. There are lot green parks and stuff in Tokyo too. Tokyo is crowded but there are places you can go and unwind and relax. The Imperial Palace is nice too. I like how they incorporate the natural environment with the man made environment.

Trùng tu thì trùng tu nhưng những người trong đó cũng cần phải sống chứ ,thử hỏi mấy chục người chen chúc nhau trong khoảng không gian bé tí(như ở phố cổ HN) ,nhà vệ sinh ko có , bất tiện như vậy sao mà ở đc , nếu nhớ ko nhầm thì ở Đức hay đâu đó ,Chính PHủ trả tiền để người dân sống trong nhưng ngôi nhà cổ đó đúng theo cách mà người xưa đã sống ,và như vậy khách tham quan sẽ thích thú hơn ,còn người dân họ chỉ việc sống và nhận tiền

3d image of Thang Long Imperial Palace, clearly not a duplicate of Chinese-styled architecture.
http://www.3dvn.com/forumS/attachment.php?attachmentid=32570&stc=1&d=1206521997

more images are provided in the following website:
http://www.thanglongxua.com/

When I visit the old Cham temples - Nha Trang area - most of them were either ruins or in extremely bad condition. I wonder if there is a renovated/new-built one in Vietnam ???

3d image of Thang Long Imperial Palace, clearly not a duplicate of Chinese-styled architecture.
http://www.3dvn.com/forumS/attachment.php?attachmentid=32570&stc=1&d=1206521997

more images are provided in the following website:
http://www.thanglongxua.com/

They got the tiles wrong. :bash:

They got the tiles wrong. :bash:

You mean the tiles here are different from the normal fish-scale-tiles that we see right? Actually they are all right. the image is constructed basing on what we have found in the excavation of Thang Long Imperial Palace.

Wow,really. it's interesting to hear that. Do you have the source?

The info on Hoàng Thành Thăng Long can be abundantly found on the internet. You can check the website I've given above
http://www.thanglongxua.com/

Nhưng ngói vẩy cá vẫn đẹp hơn nhỉ

Hình như là gọi là ngói mũi hài thì phải. http://www.timsanpham.com/product_detail.php?product_id=9656
Ngói vây cá là cái loại ngói công nghiệp khác
http://www.timsanpham.com/company_personal_product.php?company_id=171382&main_cat_id=23&mid_cat_id=1&sub_cat_id=7

Nghĩa trang Thái Giám ở Huế
http://images.travel.channelvn.net/Images/Uploaded/Share/2008/06/20086718638973/1_NTThaiGiam_NL.JPG
http://images.travel.channelvn.net/Images/Uploaded/Share/2008/06/20086718638973/2_NTThaiGiam_NL.jpg
http://images.travel.channelvn.net/Images/Uploaded/Share/2008/06/20086718638973/3_NTThaiGiam_NL.jpg
http://images.travel.channelvn.net/Images/Uploaded/Share/2008/06/20086718249867/8_NTThaiGiam_NL.jpg
http://images.travel.channelvn.net/Images/Uploaded/Share/2008/06/20086718249867/5_NTThaiGiam_NL.jpg
http://images.travel.channelvn.net/Images/Uploaded/Share/2008/06/20086718249867/6_NTThaiGiam_NL.JPG

The info on Hoàng Thành Thăng Long can be abundantly found on the internet. You can check the website I've given above
http://www.thanglongxua.com/

No, the source of that you stated that they found the "am duong" tiles instead of fish scale tiles at the Thang Long site, which I couldn't find anywhere in the link above.

Mái đình - chút hồn quê và chứng nhân lịch sử (http://vietnamnet.vn/thuhanoi/2009/01/821986)

Thanks SG Kid,

There's a part like this :

Nỗi đau đó lại nhân lên gấp bội khi được biết mái đình làng không còn nữa. Nó được phá bỏ trong phong trào chống mê tín dị đoan. Ngày đó quan niệm đình làng, miếu mạo lễ bái vừa tốn kém vừa thể hiện thứ văn hóa "phong kiến" của quá khứ cần phải dẹp bỏ. Bố tôi kể, theo chỉ đạo, đình, phủ, nghè, miếu của làng thờ cụ Nguyễn Hiệu, thờ thành hoàng đều phải dẹp bỏ. Dân làng tôi tiếc và xót lắm nhưng đã là lệnh phải thực hiện. Và chỉ sau mấy tuần, nơi trang nghiêm là thế bỗng chốc trở thành bãi đất hoang.

Không chỉ ở quê tôi mà hầu hết các tỉnh thành cũng vậy. Khu vực miền Trung lại là nơi đi đầu nên những phủ, nghè, đình chùa…toàn những tác phẩm kiến trúc nổi tiếng đều bị dẹp bỏ.

Đình làng được tháo gỡ xuống. Những cột gỗ to đùng suýt nữa gây ra tai nạn. Mấy ông cán bộ xã bảo bây giờ đang ưu tiên cho nhà trường nên tất cả các cột, xà được xẻ ra đóng bàn đóng ghế, làm trường lớp. Ngoài việc sản xuất và động viên thanh niên ra trận, thì học tập phải được chú trọng.

Thế là tất cả được thực hiện rất nhanh chóng. Nghè, phủ, có những tượng voi rất to và đẹp được đập ra nung vôi phục vụ cho sản xuất. Những cây cột của đình được các bác thợ mộc hối hả xẻ ra làm bàn, làm ghế vừa bền vừa chắc...



How Inept!!! What a pity for our culture

Chùa Keo Hành Thiện, Nam Định, have posted before, but I'm so impressed of it. Very beautiful.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a358/aiyeuai/Chua%20Keo%20Hanh%20Thien/Chua-Keo-2.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a358/aiyeuai/Chua%20Keo%20Hanh%20Thien/Chua-Keo-12.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a358/aiyeuai/Chua%20Keo%20Hanh%20Thien/Chua-Keo-13.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a358/aiyeuai/Chua%20Keo%20Hanh%20Thien/Chua-Keo-14.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a358/aiyeuai/Chua%20Keo%20Hanh%20Thien/Chua-Keo-15.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a358/aiyeuai/Chua%20Keo%20Hanh%20Thien/Chua-Keo-16.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a358/aiyeuai/Chua%20Keo%20Hanh%20Thien/Chua-Keo-19.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a358/aiyeuai/Chua%20Keo%20Hanh%20Thien/Chua-Keo-21.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a358/aiyeuai/Chua%20Keo%20Hanh%20Thien/Chua-Keo-22.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a358/aiyeuai/Chua%20Keo%20Hanh%20Thien/Chua-Keo-27.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a358/aiyeuai/Chua%20Keo%20Hanh%20Thien/Chua-Keo-28.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a358/aiyeuai/Chua%20Keo%20Hanh%20Thien/Chua-Keo-29.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a358/aiyeuai/Chua%20Keo%20Hanh%20Thien/Chua-Keo-38.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a358/aiyeuai/Chua%20Keo%20Hanh%20Thien/Chua-Keo-40.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a358/aiyeuai/Chua%20Keo%20Hanh%20Thien/Chua-Keo-41.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o84/loi_dovu/Hanh%20Thien/By%20KID/chua_Keo01.jpg

thanks, looks really nice, i'll post some of the southern vnese architecture when i have time.

Lăng Lê Văn Duyệt
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/844760840_f6c5c4fed1_b.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/2993856.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/Miu_th_L_Vn_Duyt.jpg

Đình Châu Phú, An Giang
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/C490C3ACnh_ChC3A2u_PhC3BA.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/Trong_C491C3ACnh_ChC3A2u_PhC3BA.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/SC483c_phong_trong_dC3ACnh_ChC3A2u_.jpg

Đình Mỹ Phước, An Giang
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/Dinhmyphuoc.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/ChanhdiendinhMyPhuoc.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/Thanthimyphuocnho.jpg

Miếu Thoại Ngọc Hầu, An Giang
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/C490C3ACnh_ThE1BAA7n_ThoE1BAA1i_SC6.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/800px-TC6B0E1BBA3ng_ThoE1BAA1i_NgE1.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/LC483ng_ThoE1BAA1i_NgE1BB8Dc_HE1BAA.jpg

Đền Quản Cơ, An Giang
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/800px-BE1BBADu_HC6B0C6A1ng_tE1BBB1.jpg

Chùa Giác Lâm, Sài Gòn
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/ChuaGiacLam02.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/ChuaGiacLam01.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/02-03-31_06h27m17s.jpg

Chùa Giác Viên, Sài Gòn
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/ChuaGiacVien01.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/big_02-03-31_05h29m56s.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/hochiminh_city_giac_vien_pa.jpg

Chùa Phụng Sơn, Sài Gòn
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/Cha_Phng_sn.jpg

Để ý kỹ sẽ thấy chùa miền Nam có các yếu tố của chùa miền Trung (trùng lương trùng thềm)
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/939021154_ddec8892c3_b.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/2884625732_144a7e3671_b.jpg

Và yếu tố của chùa người Quảng Đông or pHúc Kiến
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/Hi_qun_Tu_Thnh.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/Nh_Ph.jpg

Và một ít lai Tây nữa. Nhưng nếu để ý kỹ thì nó vẫn có những nét rất riêng, thí dụ nhưng mái ngói trên rất hẹp, dưới lại dài ra, sàn nhà rộng, nhiều cột thanh mảnh. Ngói là loại ngói âm dương giống kiểu Tô Châu chứ không phải loại âm dương ống tre của Huế hay Bắc Kinh

Seems that the Northern-styled-architecture can be considered minority, and doesn't represent our culture very well:lol:
Btw, are you also Vietkieu, Nomadicwind? You live in US? I really do admire your knowledge of our traditional architecture.

Seems that the Northern-styled-architecture can be considered minority, and doesn't represent our culture very well:lol:


why that?

Cột cờ Nam Định:

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/7038421.jpg

Seems that the Northern-styled-architecture can be considered minority, and doesn't represent our culture very well:lol:
Btw, are you also Vietkieu, Nomadicwind? You live in US? I really do admire your knowledge of our traditional architecture.

I guess you can consider me a Viet Kieu lol. I'm currently living and going to school in the U.S. But I was born in VN and lived there until I was 14.

I became interested in traditional architecture since my freshman year in college. I was organizing and participating in a VNese cultural show at my school. Then I realized that I and most ppl participating in that show didn't know much about our own culture. It was such a shame to compare our cultural show with those of other student groups. Such shamefulness has driven me to learn and explore more about our traditional culture, of which architecture is just a part of it. I guess the sense of national pride made me interested in this.
Most of my knowledge about this is from the internet just like yours, plus some Vietnamese books that I bought from VN and borrowed from my school's library.

Seems that the Northern-styled-architecture can be considered minority, and doesn't represent our culture very well:lol:


I think it should be taken as a pride that each region has their own characteristic architecture, each with a certain historical period as well.

The problem is that a lot of architects don't pay much attention to these features when designing new temples such. For some of the newly -built temples, you can't tell what regional architecture it represents, or what historical period it represents as well. Like this one

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/11284847
http://www.flickr.com/photos/26466019@N06/2479312277/sizes/l/

Seems that the Northern-styled-architecture can be considered minority, and doesn't represent our culture very well:lol:
Btw, are you also Vietkieu, Nomadicwind? You live in US? I really do admire your knowledge of our traditional architecture.

Maybe you meant traditional Northern architecture doesn't get its well-deserved coverage, when people think about Vietnamese style it's easier for them to link to quasi-Chinese temples in the central and south.

Maybe you meant traditional Northern architecture doesn't get its well-deserved coverage, when people think about Vietnamese style it's easier for them to link to quasi-Chinese temples in the central and south.

Actually for me, when I was young, whenever i thought of a vietnamese temple, i would thought of Chùa Vĩnh Nghiêm in SG which is modeled after the Northern Style.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/vnghiem2.jpg

And then whenever i passed by a Fujian-styled temple, my mom would tell me that it's the temple of the chinese
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/Nh_Ph.jpg

so it's actually hard to get mixed up.

This one temple built recently in SG but I think they did a decent job in modeling after Northern Style architecture.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/2824589908_811c91aa5c_o.jpg
Đầu đao cong, có hệ thống cột, mỗi cột có một thanh đòn bẩy để đỡ mái, cả mái trên và mái dưới, chạm trổ tinh vi ở hai bên hông của mái + cây đa lol.

Not Bad Not Bad

à có một điểm sai là ở thanh bẩy phía dưới đầu đao phải có chạm trổ giống như vây cá (hay vây rồng??) thế này
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/191447153_9c11347db7.jpg

Wow thank you bustayo for creating this thread. I gained a bit of our culture from this.

When speaking of Văn Miếu, or Temple of Literature, most of us often think about Van Mieu Quoc Tu Giam located in Hanoi. Actually in our country there exist many other Van Mieu, which perform the same functions as Van Mieu Quoc Tu Giam.

Of course Van Mieu Quoc Tu Giam is the most well-known.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2364/2189288878_a7c05ca77d_o.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1157/542203381_1a88b72204_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/52/143797414_f4d85083c4_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/122/293708359_3ceea224b1_b.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/58/190760809_d43bc80b50_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/66/190760847_08d6acdc4c_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/71/190761641_8a2db663bc_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2216/2252901588_b08c2f1413_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3270/2456727870_d4548f87a4_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2413/2143634891_d0095f4353.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/159/393062867_0feaf2bb84_b.jpg

Some other Van Mieu:

Van Mieu Mao Dien, Hai Duong
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3506/3245006610_11862dc6d1_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2096/1799709952_c2dc10442b_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2221/1788771534_41bb214fab_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3453/3244178173_02efd1e9dc_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2403/1788768554_6e4946996c_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3518/3245006390_59294fff2e_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3425/3245006280_8c028c9ec1_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3461/3245006166_a4c79f44d8_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3301/3244178277_08bf68cff6_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3129/3245005680_f3ca4dc5e4_o.jpg

Van Mieu Xich Dang, Hung Yen
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3524/3245026424_4038ee3d26_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3113/3245026030_cff00f30e8_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3461/3245027160_21f4def254_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3339/3244199205_8c77e65bec_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3261/3245026826_0a70da6626_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3438/3244198827_1a5a6202e2_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3389/3245026276_9f61f7668b_o.jpg

Van Mieu Bac Ninh, Bac Ninh
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3333/3244210667_854f3641ac_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3351/3244212029_ce76680310_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3414/3244210837_34e578992d_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3438/3245039576_eb3436589e_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3436/3244211323_bfbe9e114d_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3310/3245039314_af3a617083_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3268/3245038920_c30485791f_o.jpg

Anyone got any info on other Van Mieu in our country?

Van Mieu Vinh Long, My Tho, established by Phan Thanh Gian
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/Vn_Thnh_Miu_VL.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/Ty_Vn_Lu.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/in_i_Thnh.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/Phan_Thanh_Gin.jpg

cheers,

Dan Nam Giao
http://vinaanh.com/images0/52522/f/4987b631c3f3b_f.jpg

Lang Tu Duc
http://vinaanh.com/images0/52522/f/4987b745ae9f4_f.jpg

http://vinaanh.com/images0/52522/f/4987b854eafd4_f.jpg

Lang Tu Duc
http://vinaanh.com/images0/52522/f/4987b9c329073_f.jpg

http://vinaanh.com/images0/52522/f/4987b9eee3418_f.jpg

http://vinaanh.com/images0/52522/f/4987ba4b078f1_f.jpg

http://vinaanh.com/images0/52522/f/4987ba9a3db60_f.jpg

http://vinaanh.com/images0/52522/f/4987bae07362e_f.jpg

http://vinaanh.com/images0/52522/f/4987bb03e8447_f.jpg

Nha hat Duyet Thi Duong (?) ko nho ro lam:-)
http://vinaanh.com/images0/52522/f/4987bb8232215_f.jpg

Chan ta?ng o Lang Tu Duc
http://vinaanh.com/images0/52522/f/4987bbef68d9e_f.jpg

Lang Khai Dinh
http://vinaanh.com/images0/52522/f/4987bc6942243_f.jpg

http://vinaanh.com/images0/52522/f/4987bcd17bcf4_f.jpg

http://vinaanh.com/images0/52522/f/4987bd369cac0_f.jpg

http://vinaanh.com/images0/52522/f/4987bd6fa5753_f.jpg

Lang Khai Dinh (tiep)
http://vinaanh.com/images0/52522/f/4987be1a9f925_f.jpg

http://vinaanh.com/images0/52522/f/4987be9225b42_f.jpg

http://vinaanh.com/images0/52522/f/4987beb39a807_f.jpg

Lang Khai Dinh (tiep)
http://vinaanh.com/images0/52522/f/4987bfc6f153d_f.jpg

http://vinaanh.com/images0/52522/f/4987bffb7f836_f.jpg

http://vinaanh.com/images0/52522/f/4987c023def5f_f.jpg

http://vinaanh.com/images0/52522/f/4987c0466f895_f.jpg

Lang Minh Mang
http://vinaanh.com/images0/52522/f/4987c08c6a117_f.jpg

Doi Thien An
Kien truc moi chiet trung Dong-Tay :bash:
http://vinaanh.com/images0/52522/f/4987c2e0ed936_f.jpg

Lăng vua Khải Định nhìn xấu thật, mặc dù có thể trạm trổ rất công phu, nội thất màu sắc sặc sỡ, nhưng nhìn tổng thể thì hơi thiếu thẩm mỹ, thậm chí là hơi phản cảm.
Cứ giản dị như Đền Đô thờ 8 vị vua Lý nhìn lại thích hơn
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2078/2334073683_dd76122e62_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2113/2334077857_aa34aeb853_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3159/2334078851_9e0723ca06_b.jpg
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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2256/2334901690_032dd299c0_b.jpg
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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2136/2334910206_800891456a_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3034/2334083581_3aaccbab74_b.jpg

Bonus: Cute girl:lol:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2360/2381313551_b6961a182e_b.jpg

chùa keo Thái Bình
http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee349/komasuvn/IMG_1162.jpg
http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee349/komasuvn/IMG_1163.jpg
http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee349/komasuvn/IMG_1166.jpg
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http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee349/komasuvn/IMG_1157.jpg
http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee349/komasuvn/IMG_1158.jpg
http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee349/komasuvn/IMG_1167.jpg
http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee349/komasuvn/IMG_1161.jpg

Lăng vua Khải Định nhìn xấu thật, mặc dù có thể trạm trổ rất công phu, nội thất màu sắc sặc sỡ, nhưng nhìn tổng thể thì hơi thiếu thẩm mỹ, thậm chí là hơi phản cảm.
Cứ giản dị như Đền Đô thờ 8 vị vua Lý nhìn lại thích hơn


Lăng Khải Định đẹp chứ, màu sắc rực rỡ cho công trình kiến trúc vua chúa ngày xưa là đúng rồi. Để ý các nước khác, các công trình cung điện lâu đài của vua chuá họ cũng nhiều màu sắc lắm. Đơn giàn wá thì không hợp với vua chuá cho lắm. Để ý các nước sau đây đều có cung điện màu sắc rực rỡ, rất tinh tế.
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/800px-PB_Grand_Palace_Bangkok.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/Palace_Museum_6.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/Korean_architecture_roof_detail_2.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/2971761316_c3ddaeacbe_b.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/3115246931_180e135484_b.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/189419809_771f8e09eb_o.jpg

vậy thì Lăng Khải Định là niềm tự hào của VN mới đúng, làm cho VN không hề kém anh kém em trong kiến trúc. Nhớ lần tui về du lịch VN với lũ bạn. Chúng nó thích lăng Khải Định nhất trong tất cả cá di tích. Lăng nằm trên đồi nhìn ra một rừng thông bao la. Vừa bước vào điện thờ chính là thấy cả điện óngánh màu men của gốm sứ. Lũ bạn cứ "háhốc mồm"ra

Lăng Khải Định is honestly more of an embarrassment. The whole architectural style is a mess. Honestly, the only type of architecture Vietnamese people can be proud of is the Northern traditional type architecture. Central and Southern Vietnamese architecture fail to capture a Vietnamese style architecture whether new or old. It seems more of people trying to mix new ideas a tad bit too much while forgetting their roots.

The interior okay, outside is ugly. There is a bit too much of a mix of East Asian, Southeast Asian and European architectural styles to the point where you just don't know what it's trying to be. The whole Hue Citadel is another example of confused architectural style. You have structures that are semi-Viet, then those that look semi-European.

I seriously wonder why our architects tried incorporation rather than recreation to create our own identity in the architecture we already had. We definitely lost some authenticity in Vietnamese culture as we went south.

I envy the progress of our neighbors architectural style.

It's fine the way it is. I agree that there's influence from other type of architecture in the central and south. But that only add to the diversity of Vietnamese architecture. Hue citadel is actually very pretty. and in no way you can say that it resemble chinese architecture (at least not the beijing imperial styles) Trùng lương trùng thềm is something very unique. Architecture progresses through time too, you know. The Northern kind of architecture u talk about is that unque to the Le Dynasty only. Architecture was different back in the Ly-Tran. So we need to assess the Nguyen dynasty architecture with an open mind. Remember that architecture evolves, everywhere else in the world as well. If you compared Chinese Architecture from Han period to Tang period to Minh/Qing period, you will see the clear differences. Or Cambodian architecture of Angkor, to that of the Phnom Penh palace. Also, Pretty or not, it really depends on everyone's preference. As long as the architecture work is authentic (not concrete imitation), then it should be respected and cared.

Hue citadel is not a confused architectural style, it's just another style that is different than the Le- dynasty architecture and need to be respected. Remember that all those semi-European building (Tịnh Minh Lâu, Kiến Trung Lâu, Thái Bình Lâu, Tứ Phương Vô Sự) didn't arise until Khai Dinh's time, which was during French era. Most of older buildings are in Viet-style (Thái Hòa Điện, Thế Miếu, Duyệt Thị Đường, etc).
Even if there is european influence, what's wrong with it? Like I said, it just add to the diversity of the architecture. Take a look at this building
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/Grand_Palace_in_Bangkok_-_Chakri_Ma.jpg
You see both thai and european style but it is pretty!!

Lăng Khải Định or An Định Cung is the same, they add to the diversity of Vietnamese architecture, make it less boring!!!!

Also, why would you envy the neighbors' architectural style? Which neightbor you're talking about? China? Cambodia? Laos??

And to keep on defending the beauty of Hue architecture. I decide to post some of the pics of Hue that I have
Ngọ Môn
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/359327737_e95c8f45d4_b.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/183271615_99a8c2bff9_o.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/269945888_5ce43d8d47.jpg

Thái Hòa Điện
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/2215095904_96e06737a9_o.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/195761705_4bc1e52afc.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/2302208002_1a2f930a38_b.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/1412671741_114e0a3887_b.jpg

Thế Miếu
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/277098176_7c770c0543.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/359332872_8784f32ff7.jpg

Duyệt Thị Đường

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/927736077_e1cf931498_o.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/1424697079_e7a4dd8018.jpg

Diên Thọ Cung
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/2214304783_9a52366c4c_o.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/1345110192_f9196d53f1_b.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/2180831294_26ea640ab2_o.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/v001836.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/v001419.jpg
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http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/v001421.jpg
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http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/1027400460_ee69c46246_o.jpg

The aestheticity (if this is a word lol) and complexity reflected through decorations on

The Roofs
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/85447818_ab2a987b1d.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/hue48.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/v001316.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/1208605713_34673bb05a.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/2985790435_520d44cb0a_o.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/3144769068_b0c705f134_b.jpg

the walls
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/128589408_cdd0232169.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/1105122793_6d317c921d_b.jpg
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http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/2180830532_9c4354ec03_o.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/1252585762_6b5f53860b.jpg
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/big_02-03-28_10h31m29s.jpg

gate
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/491001060_ebbdc8ab96.jpg

and even the base of a building
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/nomadicwind/v001902.jpg

Other countries actually develop their own styles to make it better. If you look at central and southern architecture you can't really give it a definite period style. They seem to be very varied. The Hue citadel is a very good example. The structures in there appear different from eachother, that's why it looks like a mess sometimes. There's no distinct look because some structures are made to look one way while the other is made to look another. If you look at citadels of China, Thailand etc they actually have a distince style.

Southern and Central style is like modern architectural style, it's no set style. Even from the pictures you posted of Hue Citadel clearly shows how un authentic it is.

Actually, I think the exterior of Khai Dinh tomb and the its ceiling decoration is quite detailed and refined.

Other than Khai Dinh tomb, I think Hue palace complex is sub-standard. It tries to imitate the Forbidden City in Beijing but it failed miserably, both in scale and in details.

Hanoi and surrounding areas still have hundreds of pagodas and temples which are authentic and hamornious in decoration.

Actually I'm not in favor of Hue Imperial Citadel, too. I also think that they have added so many features into the authentic style, and finally created a kinda mess. However, anyway it cannot be denied that Hue Imperial Citadel has been recognized as one of the world's heritages, and its the only imperial structure that still remains in our country.

Here is the trailer of the 3d-movie of Thang Long Imperial Citadel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3dO3P-_PSI

I dunno how to post the clips to forum. Can anyone show me?

In Hochiminh City, the largest ancient architecture area is "Lăng Ông Bà Chiểu". it's Lê Văn Duyệt imperial tomb. It's at 1 Vũ Tùng street, Bình Thạnh, HCM City.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/L%C4%83ng_L%C3%AA_V%C4%83n_Duy%E1%BB%87t.jpg/800px-L%C4%83ng_L%C3%AA_V%C4%83n_Duy%E1%BB%87t.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Mi%E1%BA%BFu_th%E1%BB%9D_L%C3%AA_V%C4%83n_Duy%E1%BB%87t.jpg/800px-Mi%E1%BA%BFu_th%E1%BB%9D_L%C3%AA_V%C4%83n_Duy%E1%BB%87t.jpg
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If you look at central and southern architecture you can't really give it a definite period style. They seem to be very varied. The structures in there appear different from eachother, that's why it looks like a mess sometimes.


Can you give me a "concrete" example?? aka. put few pictures side-by-side and show me the variance within the Hue architecture, since I don't see it.

And again, even if there's a variance from one building to another? What's wrong with it? That only adds to the diversity of our architecture, making each building unique. It would be so boring if all buildings look the same, or follow the same rigid type. It's not like all the buildings in the North look the same anyway. Just as the same case as the Northern style, the Hue buildings have variance between each particular building, yet still follow the same patterns.

Other countries actually develop their own styles to make it better. If you look at citadels of China, Thailand etc they actually have a distince style.
Examples too, please

From what i know, chinese architecture does not follow one rigid style. Chinese architecture varies from periods to periods. Within a period, there's variance between regions. For instance, Beijing Forbidden City's architecture is different from that of Suzhou garden, or Cantonese temple styles

Southern and Central style is like modern architectural style, it's no set style. Even from the pictures you posted of Hue Citadel clearly shows how un authentic it is.

What features make them unauthentic??

Actually, I think the exterior of Khai Dinh tomb and the its ceiling decoration is quite detailed and refined.

Other than Khai Dinh tomb, I think Hue palace complex is sub-standard. It tries to imitate the Forbidden City in Beijing but it failed miserably, both in scale and in details.

Hanoi and surrounding areas still have hundreds of pagodas and temples which are authentic and hamornious in decoration.

The imitation of Forbidden City in Beijing only exists in the names of few important structures like Ngo Mon, Thai Hoa. If you look at the entire plan and especially the architecture (put one picture of Hue and one of Beijing side-by-side), you will find this complex very unique. About scale, well, obviously VN wasn't as rich as China back in that time, and the Dynasty that built Hue citadel only last approx. 150 years, so that's all they have to offer. The beijing forbidden city was built, rebuilt, decorated for a period of more than 600 years (Yuan, Ming, and Qing), obviously the scale is way greater.

About details, we can't really conclude anything, because what we see are only the ruins of the Hue palace complex, after it was destroyed twice by warfare (1947 and 1968) and hurricanes as well. The existing buildings are in very bad condition as well. To see the original splendors of this complex, please refers to the old pics here

nguyentl.free.fr/html/photo_la_plus_vielle_vn.htm

Thanks

The imitation of Forbidden City in Beijing only exists in the names of few important structures like Ngo Mon, Thai Hoa. If you look at the entire plan and especially the architecture (put one picture of Hue and one of Beijing side-by-side), you will find this complex very unique. About scale, well, obviously VN wasn't as rich as China back in that time, and the Dynasty that built Hue citadel only last approx. 150 years, so that's all they have to offer. The beijing forbidden city was built, rebuilt, decorated for a period of more than 600 years (Yuan, Ming, and Qing), obviously the scale is way greater.

About details, we can't really conclude anything, because what we see are only the ruins of the Hue palace complex, after it was destroyed twice by warfare (1947 and 1968) and hurricanes as well. The existing buildings are in very bad condition as well. To see the original splendors of this complex, please refers to the old pics here

nguyentl.free.fr/html/photo_la_plus_vielle_vn.htm

Thanks


I dont want to diss the complex, all I did was to give an honest assessment of the Hue palace complex. I visited the complex 2 years ago, it was a huge dissapointment. Only Khai Dinh tomb worths my visit there.

There are several reasons that Hue palace complex is sub-standard, some of them are:
- Very short (ceilings, walls, etc), it is far inferior to the monumentous height and width of the Forbidden City in Beijing.
- Over-decoration in some places and lacks of details in others, things like broken porcerlain mozaic is easy to do and look very ugly.
- Ugly roof due to using Chinese tiles rather than traditional Vietnamese one. And the one used was inferior in equality to the Chinese one.
etc...etc...

Though saying that, I think the interior is sort of ok because they used "son son thiep vang" technics imported from the North.

Yes, I think so, Khai Dinh tomb is smaller than others (Minh Mang, Thieu Tri, Tu Duc...) but It is very nice. I like this place.

There are several reasons that Hue palace complex is sub-standard, some of them are:
- Very short (ceilings, walls, etc), it is far inferior to the monumentous height and width of the Forbidden City in Beijing.



This I agree, it seems that we Vnese never built anything tall and monumentous, kinda sad.

- Over-decoration in some places and lacks of details in others, things like broken porcerlain mozaic is easy to do and look very ugly.
- Ugly roof due to using Chinese tiles rather than traditional Vietnamese one. And the one used was inferior in equality to the Chinese one.
etc...etc...
Though saying that, I think the interior is sort of ok because they used "son son thiep vang" technics imported from the North.

Umm, about broken porcelain mosaic, I'm not sure if its easy to do. It seems harder than just painting on the wall, but again not sure about this. But pretty or ugly depends on the "eyes of the beholders" . I think it make those decorations unique. Broken porcelain mosaic is also used in the north too, just not as quite as extensive.
About roofing, the Thang Long Citadel also used the tube yin yang roofs too. So such roofing had been used in our imperial palaces way before the Hue one
http://www.thanglongxua.com

@tc2007: OMG , plz stop being so bias!

Example of Variance
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