Thanks to my friend Alberto, and with a bit of research, there are now a number of towers on the rise in central Zagreb Croatia, focused on the 2 main streets of Savska & Vukovarska.

Currently next door to the existing 22 storey Cibona tower, work is nearing completion of Stage 1 of the HOTO Business Tower which will house Croatia Telecom. Work has reached level nine, but the original height of the tower which was to be at 21 storeys, may be scaled back to 15 stories due to a stuff up in the number of underground car spaces. After many years, Cibona Tower will have a new neighbour .....

HOTO Business Tower - 32 Savska, Zagreb
http://www.vecernji-list.hr/2003/09/04/Media/zaustavljeno.JPG

Work was approved last month for the construction nearby of 2 commercial towers on Vukovarska Ulica. One tower will be 12 storeys, while the second will be double its size at 25 stories.

However, the best is yet to come. Zagreb may in fact allow for Europes tallest tower at 376 metres & at a whopper 104 stories under proposal to be built. Although I am sceptical of such a huge building rising above the old Hapsburg quarter of Zagreb.

Here is the link to the story courtesy of ALBERTO, the article unfortuanetly is in Croatian .....

http://www.index.hr/clanak.aspx?id=175354

The rise in building permits recently for such towers has caused a crisis in Zagreb City Council which is rushing to finalise a master plan for the CBD. Zagreb City Council up until last month was anti-highrise, but has given into demand by local developers and foreign investors.

Old neighbour Cibona Tower (22 storeys) .......
http://www.fivestars.hr/modules/photo_gallery/images/variations/8d6ebc0ddd1e96ec088bca1692f77b67_thumb_large.jpg

http://www.fivestars.hr/modules/photo_gallery/images/variations/720bcb6db3a903abe796219b2eff129c_thumb_large.jpg

http://www.fivestars.hr/modules/photo_gallery/images/variations/e434958b663bc789db310c032e7e5bef_thumb_large.jpg

Cibona Tower, Hotel Opera, Arts and Crafts Museum
http://www.fivestars.hr/modules/photo_gallery/images/variations/6ebbff8d2215df21cfb1359f8856a18a_thumb_large.jpg

Old friends - Zagrebcanka & Cibona Towers
http://www.fivestars.hr/modules/photo_gallery/images/variations/791a3b35dc7311134b8d31232d1f59fd_thumb_large.jpg

Silouette of another tower under plan in Zagreb. Due to the number of proposals and construction in the nearby vicinity, Croatia Railways is to build a new station "City" to service new workers and residents ...

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/2003/11/07/Media/uzhoto.jpg

Link (In Croatian)
http://www.vecernji-list.hr/2003/11/07/Pages/uzhoto5.html

In Croatian .......

Duž Savske i Vukovarske - Zagrebaèki Wall Street
Hoto toranj bit æe visok kao i onaj Cibonin, Mamiæ i Kordiæ gradit æe twinse od 12 i 25 katova, na križanju Vukovarske i Heinzelove u proljeæe poèinje gradnja 22-katnog Zagrebtowera, a neboder od dvadesetak katova u Vukovarskoj priželjkuje i Erste Bank
Usvajanje detaljnih planova ureðenja dijelova Savske i Vukovarske ulice u èetvrtak, na sjednici Gradske skupštine, samo je potvrdilo ono što neki arhitekti veæ duže vrijeme govore, a to je, da bi se na nekim dijelovima duž tih ulica trebale graditi visoke poslovne zgrade.
Tim je planovima ureðenja, koje umjesto lokacijske dozvole propisuje novi GUP, investitorima Zdravku Mamiæu i Josipu Kordiæu dopuštena gradnja dvaju nebodera, tzv. twinsa, visokih 12 i 25 katova na križanju Vukovarske, Luèiæeve i Humboldtove ulice.
Tomo Horvatinèiæ smjet æe, umjesto traženog 21 kata, nastaviti graditi svoj Hoto toranj u Savskoj do 15 katova, èime bi se Hoto izjednaèio s Ciboninim tornjem, djelom arhitekta Marijana Hržiæa. Zanimljivo je da je Hržiæ projektirao i Mamiæeve i Kordiæeve twinse.
Dakako, sama gradnja neæe poèeti prije nego što proðe osam dana, odnosno prije nego što odluka Skupštine iziðe u Službenom glasniku. Tada investitori mogu zatražiti izdavanje graðevinskih dozvola, koje, pak, oèekuju do kraja godine.
Glavni nadzorni inženjer Hoto tornja Božo Blaževiæ kaže, da æe se odmah pristupiti pripremnim radnjama i traženju novih suglasnosti za daljnjih sedam katova zgrade na kojoj veliki radovi stoje još od ljetos. Gradnja æe trajati cijele zime, kaže Blaževiæ, zahvaljujuæi montažnoj tehnologiji gradnje. U gradnju 15-katnog nebodera sa 270 parkirališnih mjesta u podzemnoj garaži ulaže se, saznajemo, oko 50 milijuna eura.
Osim ovih, u medijima èesto spominjanih nebodera, Savska i Vukovarska mogle bi dobiti još tri poslovna nebodera i time postati hrvatska poslovna èetvrt, poput Wall Streeta na newyorškom Manhattanu.
Naime, detaljni plan dijela Savske predviða još jedan neboder i to od 25 katova, u dvorištu sadašnje Pivnice Medvedgrad. To je, meðutim, tek prijedlog izraðivaèa plana i tek bi trebalo provesti arhitektonsko-urbanistièki natjeèaj za to podruèje, koje je sada u privatnom vlasništvu.
Gradnja Zagrebtowera, poslovnog nebodera sa 22 kata arhitekta Otte Bariæa, na križanju Vukovarske i Heinzelove trebala bi, pak, poèeti na proljeæe, nakon izdavanja graðevinske dozvole, što je u tijeku.
Izgledna je i izgradnja poslovne zgrade Erste&Steiermärkische Bank od oko 25 katova u Vukovarskoj, i to kao nadogradnja postojeæe graðevine izmeðu Fakulteta elektronike i raèunarstva i tzv. Galiæeve stambene zgrade. Kako se i ovdje radi o važnom gradskom podruèju, novi GUP i tu propisuje izradu detaljnog plana ureðenja, što je investitor, Erste Bank, veæ zatražio u Zavodu za planiranje razvoja grada.

amazing wow

Originally posted by SinCity
Silouette of another tower under plan in Zagreb. Due to the number of proposals and construction in the nearby vicinity, Croatia Railways is to build a new station "City" to service new workers and residents ...

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/2003/11/07/Media/uzhoto.jpg

Link (In Croatian)
http://www.vecernji-list.hr/2003/11/07/Pages/uzhoto5.html (http://)

Yea, but what is with proposals for the Europe biggest tower in the 2008 in the Zagreb and 10-th biggest in the world?

Yep, I'll have to look into this new 104 level tower. It would stand out like something crazy. I'm not too sure if Zagreb City Council will allow it. They have a hard time approving buildings taller than 20 levels.

My guess is the developer is using a trick to get the council to approve something close to that height, but not exactly that height. We'll keep an eye on this project as its just early days.

Anyway the good thing for Zagreb is that several towers are under construction or will begin construction in the new year. So far this is the new count

15 level "HOTO" Business Tower housing Croatia Telecom
12 level Stage 1 of the long awaited "Zagreb Twins"
25 level Stage 2 of the long awaited "Zagreb Twins"
22 level "Zagreb Tower"
25 level Erste & Steiermärkische Bank Tower
25 level tower on the site of Medvedgrad Brewery

Wow, I read in that croatian article that Zagreb might build more than 300 meters tall skyscraper! That's amazing! What are the chances for that to really happen in a near future?

It looks like Zagreb will get many new great buildings soon! Cool! :colgate:

Originally posted by bziherl
Wow, I read in that croatian article that Zagreb might build more than 300 meters tall skyscraper! !

Wow, amazing !!
That would be the tallest in Europe !!

Originally posted by Mikael

Wow, amazing !!
That would be the tallest in Europe !!

Indeed Mikael & Bziherl, this new tower under proposal would make it Europe's tallest skyscraper and also the world's 10th tallest skyscraper. Here are some facts .......

Levels - 104!
Height - 376 metres
Completion - 2008 if everything goes OK.
Design - Rumor has it that it will look similar in design to Deutsche Bank Tower in Frankfurt.

Currently a suitable site is being looked at and the proposal in being taken into consideration with architects and engineering meeting with the builders of similar towers such as the Petrona's.

So how serious are they? They seem very serious and currently have a number of jobs, including under construction in Zagreb of the 21 level HOTO Business Tower.

There is demand in Zagreb for more commercial space as the former anti-highrise city council has changed their tune much to the whinging of companies seeking new space and developers.

If it does get knocked back, and it may, there certainly will be a huge new tower close as possible to that height built, if not at lease a couple of 50 level towers.

Work finally begins on Zagreb's (Croatia) latest commercial high rise ..... ZagrebTower.

The 22 level tower with a shorter 8 level tower has begun.

I love the eliptical design of the tower & floorplates

here are a few renders and links .........

http://www.onlinehausverwaltung.at/Userimages/zagrebtower-logo-300pix.jpg
Zagreb as the Croatian metropolis is well on its way to become a major turntable of Southeast Europe.
Situated in the immediate vicinity of the city center, the office project ZAGREB TOWER will decisively influence the future face of ZAGREB

The Location on Radnicka Cesta provides excellent links to higher-level traffic systems. It lies withhin 10 walking minutes from the railway station and the airport is reached in about 25 minutes by car.

http://www.onlinehausverwaltung.at/Userimages/zagreb-tower-05-600pix.jpg

http://www.onlinehausverwaltung.at/Userimages/zagreb-tower-03-600pix.jpg

http://www.onlinehausverwaltung.at/Userimages/zagreb-tower-stadt01-600pix.jpg

http://www.onlinehausverwaltung.at/Userimages/zagreb-tower-02-600pix.jpg

http://www.onlinehausverwaltung.at/Userimages/ZagrebFolderKroat04-800pix.jpg

http://www.onlinehausverwaltung.at/Userimages/ZagrebFolderDeutsch02-800pix.jpg

http://www.onlinehausverwaltung.at/Userimages/ZagrebFolderDeutsch03-800pix.jpg

http://www.onlinehausverwaltung.at/Userimages/ZagrebFolderDeutsch01-800pix.jpg

Links .........

Online Hausverwaltung & Immobilientreuhand AG
http://www.onlinehausverwaltung.at/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabindex=4&tabid=4

Zagreb Tower
http://www.zagrebtower.com/

Niice!!
I hope they build many more new buildings in Zagreb:cheers:

BTW, is this "Novi Zagreb"(New Zagreb) in the background?

http://www.onlinehausverwaltung.at/Userimages/zagreb-tower-stadt01-600pix.jpg

Here is another 15 level tower that is to commence shortly on the intersection of Vukovarska/Heinzelova Streets Zagreb. The site has already been cleared for construction ......

http://www.spillerfarmer.hr/ponuda/slike/Vuk_Heinz_2_m.jpg

http://www.spillerfarmer.hr/ponuda/slike/Vuk_Heinz_1_m.jpg

http://www.spillerfarmer.hr/ponuda/slike/Vuk_Heinz_4_m.jpg

The property is located on one of the most attractive sites in the center of Zagreb. The surrounding area consists primarily of offices and includes Chromos Business Tower and the headquarters of Euroherc insurance firm. It is easily accessible both by car and public transport.

Currently the property comprises empty land with an area of 12.055 sq.m. The investor has already demolished the building which formerly existed on the site and has been granted a location permit to build an office complex with 40.000 sq.m. of leasable area. The future complex will include a 15-floor office tower on Vukovarska with an area of 15.000 sq.m. and adjacently on Heinzelova an 8-floor office building of 25.000 sq.m. There will be parking on two floors below ground with an entrance from Vukovarska and exit onto Heinzelova.

Based on the existing project this complex will offer some of the best office space in the city finished to the highest standards and with its attractive design will no doubt become one of the symbols of Zagreb. The investor is a renown international construction company which is willing to sell or lease space in the complex but only in segments no less than 5.000 sq.m.

Link .....
http://www.spillerfarmer.hr/ponuda/posl_nekretnine/vuk_heinz_en.htm

Cool project and good news for Zagreb ;) I like that tower :okay:

If someone showede me that picture, i would have sworn that it was a project in the neighbourhood of rotterdam i live in... background looks very similar to dutch city suburbs..

But Zagreb have nice modern buildings. Importane center, National library, Importane Gallery, Zagrebcanka tower, Cibona Tower, Sheraton Hotel all that buildings are pretty impressive.

Cool Tower! :)

Love the eliptical design!

Very nice and modern design!

The Croatian capital of Zagreb is riding a construction boom of mid-rise commercial and residential towers. Here are some construction pics of HOTO Business Tower as its nearing completion.

HOTO Business tower was intended to be 21 levels, then Zagreb City Council chopped it down to 9, however after some intervention, the tower was allowed to hit 15 levels. The main reason was a lack of enough underground car spaces. The tower is still under negotiation to be built up to 21 levels.

HOTO Tower is to house Croatia Telecom .......

Pics, thanks to a friend ...........

http://www.mal.ba/images/hoto4.jpg

http://www.mal.ba/bos/images/hoto02.jpg

http://www.mal.ba/bos/images/hoto03.jpg

http://www.mal.ba/bos/images/hoto01.jpg

What is the point of city council not approving a 21 floor building, and getting it down to NINE?

Most residential buildings these days, anywhere you look in the world, are at least 20 floors high.

Never could understand these things - and I hope they never happen in Belgrade, otherwise im gonna go blow up the "city council":D

Building design looks great - what does the area around it look like? (photo?)

Here is another development for Vukovarska Street that will start in 2004. These are the 2 twin towers which were originally meant to be 30 levels, both @ 138m. They will now vary in height ......

http://www.arhitektura.info/~zagreb1/01prilozi/30_humboldt/humboldt_02.jpg

http://www.arhitektura.info/~zagreb1/01prilozi/30_humboldt/humboldt_01.jpg

http://www.arhitektura.info/~zagreb1/01prilozi/30_humboldt/humboldt_00.jpg

More to come later :D

This is the recently completed tower for Croatian insurance Firm "EuroHerc" which sits opposite the new ZagrebTower in Zagreb's financial district ...........

http://www.tti-zagreb.hr/images/slike/slika7_velika.jpg

More to come :D

Design is cool, I like HOTO Tower.

I don't know, but for me height is not everything. In the city like Zagreb, it is more important to construct more buildings with cool design and smaller number of the floors, then one with big height. Zagreb have spaice to grove in the any direction and it is posiblle to construct smaller towers but big numbers.

Who is the architect? It has an extraordinary similarity to the 25-storey 'block D' ARC planned for Sunderland. It's great, but giving it such a grand name as 'zagreb tower' seams a bit shortsighted considering it's unlikely to be the first or tallest new towr in the city.

Nice tower:)

Nothing special ;)
http://www.tti-zagreb.hr/images/slike/slika7_velika.jpg

cool tower ! (Zagreb tower)
:okay:

Originally posted by xapbpoh

Who is the architect? It has an extraordinary similarity to the 25-storey 'block D' ARC planned for Sunderland. It's great, but giving it such a grand name as 'zagreb tower' seams a bit shortsighted considering it's unlikely to be the first or tallest new towr in the city.

You would probably find that there are similar designs to this tower in a number of cities around the world, therefore is not unique. For example when I first saw ZagrebTower, it automatically remind me of the Casino Tower here in Melbourne Australia. ie eliptical shape and similar facade.

The architects are a Zagreb firm ATP-Zagreb and are behind a number of highrise projects that are about to rise in 2004 in Zagreb.

As for "ZagrebTower", I agree with you Xapbpoh, it is very "shortsighted" as bigger ones are on their way. Cheers!

Originally posted by Alberto

Design is cool, I like HOTO Tower.

I don't know, but for me height is not everything. In the city like Zagreb, it is more important to construct more buildings with cool design and smaller number of the floors, then one with big height. Zagreb have spaice to grove in the any direction and it is posiblle to construct smaller towers but big numbers.

I agree with you Alberto. Thats why I think this new 104 level, 376m tower planned for Zagreb might not be the best idea as it will stick out like dogs balls.

I would prefer 3x 40 level buildings because a bunch of these would create a better skyline for Zagreb. So far there are plenty of 20+ level towers on the way.

HOTO Tower above is not final and may even reach 21 levels. So far they are built up to level 15 which looks great. :D

Originally posted by Mantaz

Nothing special ;)
http://www.tti-zagreb.hr/images/slike/slika7_velika.jpg

I think the above building is OK, I just wanted to show what the area was like near ZagrebTower. ;)

I'm amazed with the below design because its boxy, so far everything I have seen for Zagreb involves curved facades. I think it may have to do with the existing Cibonna Tower which is cylindrical in design ......

http://www.arhitektura.info/~zagreb1/01prilozi/30_humboldt/humboldt_01.jpg

I was in Zagreb this year and it was amazing to see the changes from a couple of years ago. All I can say is that the designs are great and the best part is the area around the financial area/district.

I wonder how successful they will be with this new 104 level tower. It would certainly make it a land mark building not just in Zagreb, but also in Europe.

I heard anyway that Zagreb needs almost 250,000 sq m of office space to catch up with demand. That is basically 3 WTC towers. The demand is fuelling the current round of towers and proposals.

Great to see heaps of activity in the Cro capital.

WOW, this website is great. My regards to you people for the information that is posted here.

I have tried to find stuff on Zagreb, Toronto, etc. Now its been made so much more simpler.

I love the stuff about Zagreb.

Excellent!!!!!!!!

That is a great building that will no doubt add to a growing skyline.

I love the curved design!

Originally posted by Mr Croatia

I was in Zagreb this year and it was amazing to see the changes from a couple of years ago. All I can say is that the designs are great and the best part is the area around the financial area/district.

I wonder how successful they will be with this new 104 level tower. It would certainly make it a land mark building not just in Zagreb, but also in Europe.

I heard anyway that Zagreb needs almost 250,000 sq m of office space to catch up with demand. That is basically 3 WTC towers. The demand is fuelling the current round of towers and proposals.

Great to see heaps of activity in the Cro capital.

Now thats a lot of commercial space in demand!

The last time I was in Zagreb was 1996, so that was several years ago. However in the vicinity of Savska & Vukovarska Avenija you could see that a proper CBD was starting to take its course.

Welcome to SkyscraperCity Mr Croatia! Finally another one of my mob ;)

Just some more renders of this project I have come across. It also seems to be known as "PORR Tower - Zagreb"

Office Building
PORR Tower
Zagreb, Croatia

A 20 storey elliptical office tower with a seven storey rectangular annexe. Planned as the headquarters of a major regional company, the building is a key urban element at the meeting point of two major traffic axes through Zagreb’s main business district. Work starts in March this year.

Construction Start 03/2004
Completion 09/2005
Total Built Area 48,000 m2
Total Built Volume 148,000 m3
Construction Costs ca. EUR 48.0m

http://www.atp.co.at/data/projekt/6095/klein/01.jpg

http://www.atp.co.at/data/projekt/6095/klein/02.jpg

Great stuff Sin!!

What more can I say?

Zagreb, Croatia's capital city is pretty much BOOM TOWN!

Plans and renders have been released for the city's latest skyscraper to begin construction mid 2004.

The 26 storey ERSTEBANK Tower is located in the growing business district amongst a number of other commercial towers on the rise. The owner / occupier will be ERSTEBANK, one of central Europe's major Banks. This will be their regional office.

Anyway, here are some renders, so what do you guys think? I'll have some more renders later ..........

http://www.d-a-z.hr/ostalo/natjecaji/erstebank-zagreb/1-nagrada-situacija.jpg

http://www.d-a-z.hr/ostalo/natjecaji/erstebank-zagreb/1-nagrada-3d.jpg

Cool !!!!!!

How do you do it SinCity? You seem to find so much on Croatia.

I like the design of the building which for a change is squarish in shape, everything else in Zagreb sees to be curvy in design.

How many towers in Zagreb are now going up in 2004? To me it seems like several big ones.

Do you know the buildings height? I wonder if this tower may become ex-Yu's tallest.

Anyway, might as well update this thread as well.

Zagreb's latest skyscraper has been revealed. The 26 storey Erste & Steiermaerkische Bank Tower is set to begin mid this year. It location is on the popular Ulica Grada Vukovara (City of Vukovar Street [no 41]) located in the centre of Zagreb.

This area has a number of tower under construction or due for construction in 2004.

This will be Erste & Steiermaerkische Bank's regional office. Recently they purchased Croatia's fourth largest bank - Rijecka Banka.

Here are a couple of renders ......

http://www.d-a-z.hr/ostalo/natjecaji/erstebank-zagreb/1-nagrada-situacija.jpg

http://www.d-a-z.hr/ostalo/natjecaji/erstebank-zagreb/1-nagrada-3d.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Croatia

Cool !!!!!!

How do you do it SinCity? You seem to find so much on Croatia.

I like the design of the building which for a change is squarish in shape, everything else in Zagreb sees to be curvy in design.

How many towers in Zagreb are now going up in 2004? To me it seems like several big ones.

Do you know the buildings height? I wonder if this tower may become ex-Yu's tallest.

So far these are the main ones for 2004. More are in the pipline but my guess is they will start in 2005 as they are in planning stages

Towers for 2004 - Total of 6!
21 level "HOTO" Business Tower housing Croatia Telecom
12 level Stage 1 of the long awaited "Zagreb Twins"
25 level Stage 2 of the long awaited "Zagreb Twins"
22 level "Zagreb Tower"
26 level Erste & Steiermärkische Bank Tower
25 level tower on the site of Medvedgrad Brewery

As for height? - I think it will be just over 100 metres if you take into consideration that the floor to height measurement in most commercial towers is 4 metres. This is to allow for utilities to be placed above the ceiling. If this was a residential building then the height would be 3 metres as this extra space is not needed.

As for ex-Yu's tallest? - I still think the race is being won by Sarajevo's Bosmal Twins @ a height of 118m.

If Erste & Steiermärkische Bank Tower was 30 stories instead of 26, then definately it would have eclipsed the Sarajevo Bosmal Twins by a couple of metres .......

Here we go some more renders of Erste Bank Tower.

I like this pic the best. It shows a pananrama of the Zagreb skyline and the impact this tower will make western section of the CBD

In this pic you can see HOTO Business Tower rising in the background.

This picture allows also for the scale of the building when you compare it to those cute little Zagreb Trams running on street level .....

http://www.d-a-z.hr/ostalo/natjecaji/erstebank-zagreb/II-nagrada-situacija1.jpg

http://www.d-a-z.hr/ostalo/natjecaji/erstebank-zagreb/II-nagrada-situacija.jpg

Second runner-ups render. (I personally like the winners design)
http://www.d-a-z.hr/ostalo/natjecaji/erstebank-zagreb/II-nagrada-3d-m.jpg

Thanks for your efforts SinCity! :)

Pretty good pics. I agree, I like the first one too with the rest of the western skyline of Zagreb.

Its a pity that it wasn't 30 levels, but anyway there are a number of mid-rise buildings coming up in Zagreb this year.

What are the chances of those new "twins" going back to original height of 138m (approx 35 levels).

I read somewhere that these 2 towers have a good chance of a height increase and that their designs weren't completely final yet?

Originally posted by Mr Croatia

Pretty good pics. I agree, I like the first one too with the rest of the western skyline of Zagreb.

Its a pity that it wasn't 30 levels, but anyway there are a number of mid-rise buildings coming up in Zagreb this year.

What are the chances of those new "twins" going back to original height of 138m (approx 35 levels).

I read somewhere that these 2 towers have a good chance of a height increase and that their designs weren't completely final yet?

I'm not too sure on those "twins", I thinks its more a case of a large tower followed by a "mini me".

I know that the final design, height etc is not final, but there is a good chance that they could both end up higher.

Such a pity though when the original design several years ago was for a pair of 138m high towers. We'll see what eventuates ........

I like the look of this tower. It will definately add bulk to this growing commercial area of Zagreb. When I was passing through there a few weeks back, you could see a number of cranes. I also noticed a tall office building being built. I'm not too sure which one it was. I think it is the one you call "HOTO Office Tower".

pozdravljen slovenec! zdej sva že dva tlele ;)

........... FUZINE (Ljubljana) :)

This is all very amazing. I can see my neighbours the Croats are finally pulling out of their economic slump. Looks like Slovenia had better watch out as Croatia had the second best living standards in the former Jugoslavia up against Slovenia.

That is so far 6 big office towers coming up in Zagreb for 2004. Even interesting is the planned tallest skyscraper in Europe.

Bloody Croats! :bleep: ;) I'm very jealous! :mad:

dont have to be, considering that ljubljana iz only 135 kilometars away from zagreb, or comfortable 2 hours drive is not a big deal

Originally posted by violentjack
dont have to be, considering that ljubljana iz only 135 kilometars away from zagreb, or comfortable 2 hours drive is not a big deal

..... very true, that why I go to Zagreb a bit for some shopping etc.

Where are you from ViolentJack????

Originally posted by Slovenija

This is all very amazing. I can see my neighbours the Croats are finally pulling out of their economic slump. Looks like Slovenia had better watch out as Croatia had the second best living standards in the former Jugoslavia up against Slovenia.

That is so far 6 big office towers coming up in Zagreb for 2004. Even interesting is the planned tallest skyscraper in Europe.

Bloody Croats! :bleep: ;) I'm very jealous! :mad:

LOL! No need to be envious my Slovene friend. Welcome to the forums. You will have to update us on all of the Slovene projects that are happening.

Originally posted by Slovenija

I like the look of this tower. It will definately add bulk to this growing commercial area of Zagreb. When I was passing through there a few weeks back, you could see a number of cranes. I also noticed a tall office building being built. I'm not too sure which one it was. I think it is the one you call "HOTO Office Tower".

Yep it is "HOTO Business Tower". It is due to finish in March this year and it will have Croatia Telecom moving is asap.

Here are some more renders of ZagrebTower ......

ATP Zagreb, newest outpost of the ATP Group has every reason to feel proud. The office – only founded in 2002 – already has 17 employees and, now, a major contract.

"We have been retained to design the Porr tower in Zagreb", explained ATP-Zagreb Director Otto Baric in a conversation with the Austria Press Agency. The new office tower in Vukovarska is one of the Croatian Capital’s most prestigious projects.

Thanks to its position on the edge of an important shopping district, the Porr tower will play a significant urban role in the development of the city. The complex will consist of two separate buildings – the twenty story elliptical tower and a seven storey rectangular base, and will incorporate a 380-place basement car park.

http://www.atp.co.at/data/news/18/klein/01.jpg

http://www.atp.co.at/data/news/18/klein/02.jpg

http://www.atp.co.at/data/news/18/klein/03.jpg

No problemo! I'm hoping to have some news soon on a couple of projects for SLO! :)

WOW! Another one. I must have missed this one by accident.

I love the curves of this one. Indeed SinCity, great work.

I can see the Serbs getting jealous. All Belgrade has is the odd pissy building they have under construction. Most of them are not even proper towers. They are only a couple of levels high.

Even Sarajevo is doing very well, the Bosmal Twins are the former Jugoslavia's tallest towers ever.

Hey Croats, want to give me a couple of these beauties for Ljubljana???????????? ;)

Just to keep my Zagreb updates in the one spot, so here we go again, yet another new office building to rise in central Zagreb for 2004.

The 9 level building will be the new Zagreb office for prominent Croatian IT&T company "Combis". Combis is based in Dubrovnik on the coast but services many other Croatian cities, especially Zagreb.

The building is being designed by the popular Zagreb architectural firm of "A+Plan".

The building will add to a growing construction boom for the Croatian capital city. The building is due for completion in 2005.

Links are below. Let me know what you guys think of the design. I like it and it seems to be typical in style to many new Zagreb buildings .......

http://www.aplan.hr/images/exterijer_bastijanovaZC3-big.jpg

http://www.aplan.hr/images/exterijer_ugao_ZC1-big.jpg

http://www.aplan.hr/images/exterijer_ugao_ZC2-big.jpg

http://www.aplan.hr/images/volumeni1-big.jpg

http://www.aplan.hr/images/Combis-PERSPA2-big.jpg

A+Plan Architects Link ......
www.aplan.hr

Combis IT&T Webpage ......
www.combis.hr

Plans have been released for another new Zagreb project ..... the ZAGREB CONGRESS CENTRE. This is a new 4000 seat venue which is to be built adjacent to the multi storey HOTEL OPERA. A design competion is soon to begin. This is the article from yesterdays Zagreb daily "Vecernji List". The article is in Croatian .....

Kongresni centar uz Operu
SDP NAJAVIO NOVI GRADSKI PROJEKT
Buduæi Kongresni centar treba se nalaziti izmeðu hotela Opera i Prehrambeno-biotehnološkog fakulteta, najnoviji je prijedlog zagrebaèkog SDP-a iznesen na juèerašnjoj tiskovnoj konferenciji.
Predsjednik Gradske organizacije te stranke Milan Bandiæ, objasnio je kako su se na tu lokaciju odluèili upravo zbog blizine hotela i velièine zemljišta koje je uglavnom u gradskom vlasništvu. Od prijašnjeg prijedlog da centar bude u kompleksu Paromlina, odustalo se jer Grad još nije postao vlasnik tog kompleksa.
Kongresni centar bi bio s Operom povezan podzemnom garažom, imao bi veliku dvoranu od èetiri tisuæe mjesta i veæi broj manjih dvorana.
- Gradnja æe poèeti kada kada prijedlog proðe Poglavarstvo i Skupštinu. Gruba procjena je da æe gradnja stojati oko 10 milijuna eura - rekao je Bandiæ.
U pokrivanju troškova bi trebali sudjelovati Grad, hotel Opera, Turistièka zajednica Zagreba, Ministarstvo gospodarstva i zgrebaèke gospodarske tvrtke.
Bandiæ je juèer najavio i da SDP neæe odustati od smanjenja broja detaljnih planova u Programu mjera za unapreðenje stanja u prostoru. Iako se koalicijski partner HNS zalaže da ih bude 145, SDP æe taj broj amandmanima u Skupštini smanjiti na 84 detaljnija plana.
- Poslje urbanizma lokacijskih dozvola, sad nam se nameæe urbanizam detaljnih planova malog obuhvata i nedefiniranog roka donošenja za pojedniaène investitore. Investirori jesu naši partneri, ali ne mogu sa Zavodom za planiranje krojiti urbanistièku sudbinu grada tako da ubrzavaju njihovo donošenje financiranjem izrade planova, pa da bude tko plati, taj i gradi - oštro je poruèio Bandiæ.
SDP zahtjeva da skore izmejne Generalnog urbanistièkog plana Zagreba prati povjerenstvo sastavljno od gradskih zastupnika i struke.

Sin city, where is location of this future offce building? which street or district??

Originally posted by lux

Sin city, where is location of this future offce building? which street or district??

........ nova zgrada bi trebalo nalaziti na 52a Bastijanova ulica. To je na zapad prema centar ...... Tresnjevka ....... ;)

I read somewhere that this one is due to start this summer. Anyone have a confirmation date? So far this is my favourite Zagreb scraper to begin construction this year.

Originally posted by Slovenija
WOW! Another one. I must have missed this one by accident.

I love the curves of this one. Indeed SinCity, great work.

I can see the Serbs getting jealous. All Belgrade has is the odd pissy building they have under construction. Most of them are not even proper towers. They are only a couple of levels high.

Even Sarajevo is doing very well, the Bosmal Twins are the former Jugoslavia's tallest towers ever.

Hey Croats, want to give me a couple of these beauties for Ljubljana???????????? ;)

If we give you one or two, what will you give us in return ????? ;)

Just kidding Slovene! :)

Yeah, I heard about the new 4000 seat Convention Centre planned for Zagreb. They originally wanted it @ the Zagreb Fair location, but it looks like they want to build it next to Hotel Opera.

I read somewhere that Zagreb is fast becoming a centre for major international conventions, especially with Japanese. That is why they are speeding this project up. Great stuff as always for Zagreb. We'll have to keep an eye on this

Adding other threads into the one spot ......

ZagrebTower

Work finally begins on Zagreb's (Croatia) latest commercial high rise ..... ZagrebTower.

The 22 level tower with a shorter 8 level tower has begun.

I love the eliptical design of the tower & floorplates

here are a few renders and links .........

http://www.onlinehausverwaltung.at/Userimages/zagrebtower-logo-300pix.jpg

Zagreb as the Croatian metropolis is well on its way to become a major turntable of Southeast Europe.
Situated in the immediate vicinity of the city center, the office project ZAGREB TOWER will decisively influence the future face of ZAGREB

The Location on Radnicka Cesta provides excellent links to higher-level traffic systems. It lies withhin 10 walking minutes from the railway station and the airport is reached in about 25 minutes by car.

http://www.onlinehausverwaltung.at/Userimages/zagreb-tower-05-600pix.jpg

http://www.onlinehausverwaltung.at/Userimages/zagreb-tower-03-600pix.jpg

http://www.onlinehausverwaltung.at/Userimages/zagreb-tower-stadt01-600pix.jpg

http://www.onlinehausverwaltung.at/Userimages/zagreb-tower-02-600pix.jpg

http://www.onlinehausverwaltung.at/Userimages/ZagrebFolderKroat04-800pix.jpg

http://www.onlinehausverwaltung.at/Userimages/ZagrebFolderDeutsch02-800pix.jpg

http://www.onlinehausverwaltung.at/Userimages/ZagrebFolderDeutsch03-800pix.jpg

http://www.onlinehausverwaltung.at/Userimages/ZagrebFolderDeutsch01-800pix.jpg

http://www.atp.co.at/data/projekt/6095/klein/01.jpg

http://www.atp.co.at/data/news/18/klein/01.jpg

http://www.atp.co.at/data/news/18/klein/02.jpg

http://www.atp.co.at/data/news/18/klein/03.jpg

Links .........

Online Hausverwaltung & Immobilientreuhand AG
http://www.onlinehausverwaltung.at/...index=4&tabid=4

Zagreb Tower
http://www.zagrebtower.com/

Recently completed SOPOT OFFICE BUILDING ......

Just a pic of a recently complete office building in the Zagreb suburb of Sopot. It gives people an idea of the contempory architecture being used in new Croatian Commercial Buildings ......

http://www.arhitektura.info/~zagreb1/01prilozi/47_piran/piran_02.jpg

SUPERNOVA CENTRE - ZAGREB

Construction has begun on another new retail complex in Zagreb, Croatia.

The SUPERNOVA ZAGREB will consist of 120,000 sqm of retail space, making it one of the largest in this part of Europe.

The new SUPERNOVA centre sits adjacent to the other new retail centre of "KINGS CROSS - ZAGREB" located in the inner city suburb of Jankomir.

So far a number of tennants have signed up ......

KIKA (Furniture)
Bauhaus (DIY)
BOF (Electronics)
McDonald's
Porsche

http://www.m2.co.at/engl/gif/zagreb/ansicht_800.jpg
http://www.m2.co.at/engl/gif/zagreb/stadtplan_800.jpg
http://www.m2.co.at/engl/gif/zagreb/lageplan_800.gif

SUPERNOVA complexes exist throughout Austria & Slovenia. More will be built throughout many other cities in Croatia.

SHOPPING CITY ZAGREB

Thanks to a fellow forumer "LUX" from Zagreb CRO, here is information on the latest shopping / retail / business park that is soon to start construction in Zagreb Croatia. It will consist of the regions biggest shopping mall, in addition to large retail park which in turn will have an additional business & commercial park centred around 2 tall twin office towers. There are recreational facilities that will be centred around extensive parklands & waterways. This complex is located in the Northwest area of Zagreb in the suburb of Zapresic. Here are the details ......

Shopping, Entertainment and Business Park
Shopping City Zagreb
Zagreb, Croatia

ATP full service planning (ATP Vienna, ATP Zagreb) for a shopping, entertainment and business park on a 1 million square metre site, 7 km north west of Zagreb, located directly on a motorway exit (Marburg-Zagreb).
Real Estate Valuation: Spiegelfeld Immobilien GmbH and their local partners.

Total Built Areas:
Speciality Stores 160,000 m2
Shopping Centre 280,000 m2
Entertainment 280,000 m2
Offices and Business 260,000 m2
Total 700,000 m2

http://www.atp.co.at/data/projekt/4067/klein/01.jpg

http://www.atp.co.at/data/projekt/4067/klein/02.jpg

http://www.atp.co.at/data/projekt/4067/klein/03.jpg

http://www.atp.co.at/data/projekt/4067/klein/04.jpg

The Starting Point - Perspectives
Croatia, an assertive and dynamic country with clear goals, is right now one of Europe's most interesting markets. Thanks to the high level of commitment of investors and political and economical leaders and a population with a clear orientation to the future, Croatia is a country with enormous potential.
International developments underline this assessment. Not only is Croatia opening up towards the EU, but the EU itself, through specific arrangements, is preparing for a mutually beneficial future.
The Contract of Association between Croatia and the European Union (29th October 2001) gives Croatia a clear vision of its future as a member of the European Union.
The country, with its approximately 4,6 million inhabitants and its more than 1.100 islands in the Adriatic Sea is becoming an economic focus of Southern Europe.

http://www.sczagreb.com/pics/standort/infrastruktur_map.jpg

http://www.sczagreb.com/pics/entwicklung/masterplan.jpg

http://www.sczagreb.com/pics/angebot/ueberblick.jpg

Shopping Center Area
A Shopping Center will be constructed during the third phase on a site covering approximately 142.000 m².
The second and third construction phase will be completed in 2006.

http://www.sczagreb.com/pics/angebot/shoppingcenter_map.jpg

Business Park

A Business Park will be constructed on a site covering 260.000 m². It is equally possible to purchase plots and to construct units, or to commission the building of, to rent or lease ready units.

Generous green areas and water features will guarantee an international standard and the immediate proximity to the highway underlines the ideal location for logistic, service and headquarters buildings.

http://www.sczagreb.com/pics/angebot/businesspark_map.jpg

Retail Park
A Retail Park will be constructed on a site covering 217.000 m². In the first phase a supermarket, building centre and furniture store will be developed. Further superstores will, in accordance with the Masterplan, be offered to sector leaders.
It is equally possible to purchase plots and to construct units, or to rent or lease ready units.

http://www.sczagreb.com/pics/angebot/retailpark_map.jpg

A new complex of buildings is soon to commence construction which will cover an area of approx 10,000 sq metres.

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/2004/01/29/Media/prviapart.gif

The project will consist of
* 100 luxury apartments aimed at the over 55s (Retirees)
* 80 serviced apartments (Hotel)
* A multi level office Building
* 500 car underground parking

The location is in the city centre on the block bound by the following streets ..... Branimirova - Domagojeva - Kneza Borne - Erdšdyjeva.

Part of the design is that there will be a full time reception, concierge, cooks, cleaners, etc that will look after the filthy rich old people, both owners & guests. This project is one of a first kind planned for Zagreb.

The property developer is CROATIA OSIGURANJE which is Croatia's largest insurance firm with over 100 history. The site was once a form industrial area which has been cleared.

On top of major growth of new commercial & retail space in Zagreb, there is now a huge demand on new units which is currently been driven by low interest rates and a strong performing economy which in 2003 grew by over 5%.

More to come .......... :D

Great project! That shopping center will be one of the largest in Europe, when completed.

Hey, in that map of Zagreb, there is a river passing through...thats Sava river, right?

I know Sava passes through Zagreb, but I have never seen a single photo of Zagreb's river areas, nor any of the Zagreb bridges...?

Yes, the Sava passes thru Zagreb, I think from memory it also passes thru Ljubljana. The Sava splits Zagreb into 2. There are a number of bridges, both vehicular and pedestrian that connect both sides ......

Could you please post some phots of those bridges?

A couple of forumers have requested planning and land distribution maps for Zagreb. As of a few days ago the Zagreb City Council has released its new plans for the city thru an interesting interactive website that looks at the wider Zagreb area under an aerial view showing all major buildings, roads, utilities, etc.

Unfortunately so far the instructions are only in Croatian, but this will change later on. To use the interactive website, simply click and drag the cursor on any part of the map. This will bring up the defined area in greater detail. You can continue to define your searches but clicking and dragging the cursor.

There are buttons below that if you select them it will show the zonings, utilities, etc that you wish to locate.

To the left is the "legend" defining the zonings of each area.

Let me know what you guys think or if you need any help.

Hint: Zagreb city centre sits above the Sava River which twists thru the middle of the city .....

Link .....

https://e-uprava.gzaop.hr/gup/preglednik.asp#

Hmm, a nice one - really does look like Melbourne Crown Casino... Zagreb seems to have the nicest collection of new skyscrapers in South-East Europe, as far as I can see... but why not some of them built in gothic-like style with spires etc to match the cathedral? I also notice than none of them exceed the cathedral's height of 108 m....

Talking about Belgrade, where I originally come from, well the mindset there was never really towards high-rises, except in the '30's and the '70's ... I personally know both the architect of Beogradjanka and the Zapadna Kapija (the odd one on the BG-ZG highway)... with the current shitty situation, I doubt that there will be anything above 35 levels anytime soon in BG...

Hey, Slovenija, the only tower uglier than Beograd's Zapadna Kapija seems to be Ljubljana's newest and greatest World Trade Centre - I mean, couldn't they come up with a shape more creative than a tetrapak??? I love Ljubljana from its old days, but, despite your "richness" your architects can't seem to match their predecessors from "poorer" 70's and 80's ?

Dobro nam dosao:)

Thats a great interactive map, I tried to scan down as far as the gutters but it got a bit blurry. Is it hooked up to a sattlelite?

I had a look @ that interactive map. Its pretty nifty. I tried to scan for ants but it didn't go down far enough. ;)

Anyway, some news on the 2 towers (12+26), there seems to be a screw up by Zagreb City Council in regards to the sale of the land. Part of the land sold to the developers didn't belong to the city council. Some of its going thru the court process because it belongs to someone else.

However it looks like the towers will go ahead, Zagreb city council will compensate the individual by giving them other land they own. For a short while it looked like these new towers would be delayed, but thank God theyre not ........

Here is a number of completed or under way medium to small projects in Zagreb Croatia. Just to give you all some idea of the architectural styles in use. Let me know what you guys think .......

NEW ZAGREB - Business and Shoping Center
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/dirav.jpg

SUNCE Business Center
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/sunce.jpg

SPAZ Office Building
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/spaz.jpg

FELIX Business and Shopping Center
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/felix.jpg

CENTARPROJEKT Business Complex - Radnièka c. 42
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/01%20NIK.jpg

TEHNOZAVOD MARUŠIÆ Office Building
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/marusic.jpg

PLANINSKA Business Center Donje Svetice
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/planinska.jpg

EUROCENTER Business Center
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/eurocentar1.jpg
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/eurocentar.jpg

REVIZIJA Business Center
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/revizija.jpg

DIONA Business and Shopping center
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/diona.jpg

HOSPITALIJA Business Center
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/hospitalija.jpg

HRVATSKA POŠTANSKA BANKA
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/hgb.jpg

CHROMOS Business and Recreation Center
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/chromos.jpg

Zagreb City Council has issued approval for construction work to commence on the city's latest commercial project. Work is now scheduled to commence in the next week (Officially 1st March 2004) on 2 new skyscrapers, one 26 levels and its "Mini-Me" at 13 levels.

Both towers will be linked at the base which will include some retail outlets. So far a handful of tennats in a couple of remaining residential buildings are moving out and demolition work will follow in the coming days.

The 2 new towers are the latest in a string of new commercial towers under way in Zagreb's financial district, south of the old Hapsburg city centre.

Here are a couple of renders ........

http://www.arhitektura.info/~zagreb1/01prilozi/30_humboldt/humboldt_02.jpg

http://www.arhitektura.info/~zagreb1/01prilozi/30_humboldt/humboldt_01.jpg

http://www.arhitektura.info/~zagreb1/01prilozi/30_humboldt/humboldt_00.jpg

Here is the article from todays (24-02-2004) Croatian daily Vjesnik. The article is in Croatian .....

Uskoro poèinje gradnja Mamiæevih i Kordiæevih »twinsa«
Ured za graditeljstvo izdat æe graðevinske dozvole dvojici investitora oko 1. ožujka, kaže proèelnik toga ureda Davor Jelaviæ / Stanari nezadovoljni velièinom ponuðenih zamjenskih stanova
Gradnja dvaju nebodera investitora Josipa Kordiæa i Zdravka Mamiæa na križanju Luèiæeve i Vukovarske ulice u Vrbiku, trebala bi poèeti prvih dana ožujka. Naime, kako nam je potvrdio Davor Jelaviæ, proèelnik Ureda za graditeljstvo, tim æe se investitorima graðevinske dozvole izdati oko 1. ožujka.
Razlog zbog kojeg se toliko èekalo na izdavanje dozvola za graðenje, nakon što je prije nekoliko mjeseci Detaljni plan ureðenja tog dijela Vrbika potvrdio želju investitora da grade nebodere od 12 i 25 katova, bili su neriješeni imovinsko-pravni odnosi i preostali stanari trošnih kuæica u Luèiæevoj, koje treba nekamo smjestiti.
I dok su investitori Mamiæ i Kordiæ stanare, veæinom zaštiæene najmoprimce, sa svojih parcela smjestili u zamjenske stanove, Grad Zagreb još uvijek nije pronašao prikladni smještaj za šestero stanara koji se nalaze na gradskom zemljištu, kojim bi, prema DPU-u, trebala iæi nova cesta.
Prema rijeèima jedne od zaštiæenih najmoprimki, Lucije Stojko (82), ponuðeni stan u Zapruðu prihvatila je samo jedna stanarka. »Nude nam garsonijere od samo ndvadesetak kvadrata. Ja godinama živim u stanu od 41 kvadrata i na manje neæu pristati«, odluèna je Lucija Stojko.
Grad, stoga, užurbano pokušava naæi prikladnije stanove za preostale stanare koji su u nekoliko kuæica ostali »zarobljeni« na veæ ograðenoj graðevinskoj parceli, na kojoj radovi samo što nisu poèeli.
Preostali stanari žele se preseliti, jer su kuæice u kojima žive u jako lošem stanju, a predviðene su za iseljenje još 1964. godine, nakon velike poplave.
Marina Majiæ

Its official!

Work begins on Zagreb's newest commercial project. The 26 & 13 level towers. Work is to commence on the 1st March 2004!

This project is long awaited. The original approval was for 2x 138m towers!

Here are a couple of renders .....

http://www.arhitektura.info/~zagreb1/01prilozi/30_humboldt/humboldt_02.jpg

http://www.arhitektura.info/~zagreb1/01prilozi/30_humboldt/humboldt_01.jpg

Link to article in Croatian about announcement .....
http://www.vjesnik.com/html/2004/02/24/Clanak.asp?r=zag&c=2

SinCity ..... the busy boy! ;)

I'm glad you know where to look for this info.

Its great to hear that these will shortly be under construction.

That area is becoming one big construction site that no doubt will have a number of tall towers that will change the look of the area significantly. A new European skyline in the making ...... :)

Its a pity that the original design didn't go ahead. It consisted of 2 towers equally @ a height of 138 metres. It definately would have made them the tallest in the region. I heard they got knocked back because the parcel of land needed to be bigger.

Anyway, cheers to Zagreb for another success! :cheers:

Wao, they will be bigger than Bosmal City Center in Sarajevo. Great for Zagreb.

Originally posted by Alberto

Wao, they will be bigger than Bosmal City Center in Sarajevo. Great for Zagreb.

Its a pity that the Croatian media never explain how tall all of these new buildings are in metres ........

Anyway, I still think Bosmal are the tallest. Most of the new buildings in Zagreb are just over 100 metres by my calculations :)

I'll see if I can find out exact heights for all of them in metres ....

Some stats .......

Total Office space in both towers ...... 52.000 m2
Total Parking space ........................... 12.000 m2 over 5 levels which includes 640 parking spots.

Both towers will be linked by a 2 level building .........

Gotta admit, some really impressive projects going on in Zagreb!

Though, latest news says the Erste Bank tower has run into some problems...:(


From yesterday's Vecernji List:

RASPRAVA O RADOVIMA NATJEÈAJA ZA NEBODER ERSTE BANKE

Toranj u Vukovarskoj 41 nije dobro rješenje

Struka mora sagledati širi prostor

Zahtjevi za gradnju nebodera u Zagrebu postaju sve uèestaliji i može se oèekivati da æe ih biti i više. No, Zagreb je za njih - ako je suditi po dogaðanjima u svezi s Mamiæevim neboderima, pa i Hoto-tornjem - oèito nespreman. Urbanistièka struka, naime, nije dala nedvojbene odgovore gdje se mogu graditi. Nespremnost je pokazala i rasprava o natjeèajnim radovima o poslovnom tornju Erste banke u Ulici grada Vukovara 41, uprilièena u Društvu arhitekata Zagreba (DAZ) prigodom otvaranja izložbe tih radova.
Veæina autora 26 radova predvidjela je na toj lokaciji vertikalne graðevine, a i ocjenjivaèki sud je prvu nagradu jednoglasno dodijelio 26-katnom neboderu. No, dio struène javnosti se zgraža, a dio je suzdržan, kao što je bila i rasprava u DAZ-u. Od gradnje nebodera na toj lokaciji ogradio se èak i ocjenjivaèki sud u uvodniku kataloga radova. Neboder na graðevinskoj liniji Vukovarske je, naime, suprotan izvornom konceptu gradnje - niži objekti uz liniju ulice dok su visoke graðevine izmaknute poput "brodova koji plove u zelenilu" - koji je u tom dijelu ulice još saèuvan.

Svi bježe od osnovnog pitanja treba li sagraditi neboder na toj lokaciji. Što vuèe taj projekt? On ne može ostati sam jer æe biti smiješan kao i one dvije smiješne kuæe u Sveuèilišnoj aleji - kazao je Slavko Dakiæ, posebni savjetnik gradonaèelnika i bivši proèelnik Zavoda za planiranje razvoja grada, aludirajuæi na Mamiæeve nebodere.
Dakiæ je zamjerio ocjenjivaèkom sudu što u vrednovanju natjeèajnih radova nije obuhvatio širi prostor od zadane lokacije. Na to je jedan èlan suda kazao da se natjeèajem, koji je anketni, pa kao takav nikoga ni na što ne obvezuje, samo ispitivala moguænost može li investitor na toj lokaciji zadovoljiti potrebe 20-ak tisuæa "kvadrata", dostatnih sadašnjim i buduæim razvojnim potrebama. Dakiæ je na to uzvratio kako je upravo natjeèaj bio prilika za promišljanje šireg konteksta jer tko æe, upitao je, promišljati grad ako neæe struènjaci, a upravo Ulica grada Vukovara zaslužuje struèno promišljanje poteza od Savske do Držiæeve. Na tvrdnju kako su neboderi plod želje Erste banke da na toj lokaciji sagradi središnji poslovni prostor dovoljan i za buduæe potrebe, iz publike se èulo da je tada mogla lokaciju potražiti i u Buzinu.
Rasprava, nabijena nelagodnim trenucima, završila je konstatacijom da je jedan od osnovnih problema što grad ne nudi lokacije na kojima bi se neboderi mogli graditi. Tornjevi u Zagrebu, èini se, nasukavaju se u urbanistièkim pliæacima.
BRANKA CRNÈEVIÆ

Protiv Nebodera i susjedi
Gradnjom nebodera nezadovoljni su i susjedi, stanari deveterokatnice koju je projektirao èuveni arhitekt Drago Galiæ, uvjereni kako æe ih toranj, preblizu njihovoj zgradi, baciti u duboku sjenu.
- Nevolje s Erste bankom poèele su veæ pri rekonstrukciji postojeæe jednokatnice. Zatvorili su nam jedini pješaèki i kolni prilaz kroz prizemlje njihove zgrade. Bili smo strpljivi dok su trajali radovi. No, kad je zgrada dovršena, prolaz je ostao zatvoren i do zgrade moramo preko travnjaka - požalio se predstavnik stanara 90-ak stanova. (B. C.)


Tornjeve u Slavonsku, Ljubljansku...
Potencijalne lokacije za nebodere su, èulo se, Slavonska, Ljubljanska i Dubrovaèka avenija, a mjesta ima i u Vukovarskoj, primjerice na križanju sa Strojarskom, gdje je predložena gradnja mnogo niže zgrade. Odgovore na pitanje gdje ih graditi, èulo se, neæe dati detaljni planovi i urbanistièki natjeèaji, veæ GUP, koji može sagledati kakve æe uèinke neboderi imati na širi gradski prostor. (B. C.)



Hope they sort everything out:)

Well, the latest is that Erste Bank tower has gone on public exhibition until the 10th March. Its in the final stages of approval and its to the public to put forward any opposals.

The article doesn't state that it wont go ahead, it will as the whole tower has been precommitted to Erste Bank. More the article is a criticism in the way that Zagreb City Council approves these towers without properly considering the long term impact.

If you learn to read Croatian one day, you see that the article is criticising the fact that skyscrpaers are rising all over the place in Zagreb and not in one vicinity .......... The plan for Zagreb was that the tallest towers would be in the middle and then the would drop down in height as you leave the centre.

Latest Zagreb News ......

Skyscraper Conference (May 2004) - With growing numbers of planned and under construction skyscrapers in Zagreb, the city council will host an open conference on issues concerning skyscrapers ...... designs, planning, effects etc. Experts from many other European cities such as London, Vienna, Warsaw, Berlin, Paris & Budapest will participate to offer ideas and advice on skyscraper construction in Europe. Should be interesting!

Link in Croatian for those that can understand .....
http://www.vecernji-list.hr/2004/04/04/Pages/zagrebkao1N.html

Hoto Business Tower Finished - Zagreb's latest Highrise ... Hoto Business Tower is complete and now houses Croatia Telecom .....
http://www.vecernji-list.hr/2004/04/04/Media/zagrebkao_tx.JPG

New Zagreb Metro - Under a new project called "Agramis" Zagreb is planning a new metro system based on light rail that will be effectively 3 times cheaper to construct than a normal subway. The proposal comes at a time when Zagreb like many cities suffers from road congestion brought on by lack of public transport and too many motor vehicles. The project will consist of 4 light rail lines to be built in stages that will be pass underground thru the city centre and emerge in the suburbs. It brings with it the latest technology of its kind.

Link in Croatian for those that can understand .......
http://www.vjesnik.com/html/2004/04/05/Clanak.asp?r=zag&c=1

Zagreb Airport Redevelopment - Zagreb International Airport is set for an upgrade once the final budget has been finalised. Croatia is Europes 16th most popular tourism destination and with it brings more tourism by the year. Zagreb International Airport will get a new terminal in standard with many other International Airports. Canada, amongst many other countries has expressed interest in Zagreb Airport new terminals construction.

Link in Croatian .......
http://www.vjesnik.com/html/2004/04/06/Clanak.asp?r=zag&c=1

New Soccer Stadium and 4 possible skyscrapers! - A new 20,000 seat stadium is planned for Zagreb Soccer Club which could include 4 new skyscrapers and a retail complex. Located next door to the existing Cibonna complex.

Link in Croatian ......
http://www.vjesnik.com/html/2004/03/31/Clanak.asp?r=zag&c=1

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Hoto Business Tower is now complete and Croatia Telecom have moved in. (April 2004)

Latest Zagreb News ......

New Soccer Stadium and 4 possible skyscrapers! - A new 20,000 seat stadium is planned for Zagreb Soccer Club which could include 4 new skyscrapers and a retail complex. Located next door to the existing Cibonna complex.

Link in Croatian ......
http://www.vjesnik.com/html/2004/03/31/Clanak.asp?r=zag&c=1

A competion has been annouced and the finalists will be chosen later in the year. The above proposal that includes 4 skyscapers is from Croatian architect Ante Josip Kostelac who designed the Frankfurt Jewish Musuem.

Its not "soccer"(what is that?) ...its football.

The new football stadium and the airport redevelopment seem realistic...but that article about metro disappointed me. Doesn't say much, aside from the fact that Zagreb's HDZ (political party of late Croatian president and war criminal, Franjo Tudjman, now in power again)is pushing the project.

Finished pictures of HOTO tower as from "MAL" (Bosnian Construction Company responsible for buildings facade works www.mal.ba )

http://www.mal.ba/images/hoto3.jpg

http://www.mal.ba/images/hotonw1.jpg

http://www.mal.ba/images/hoto2.jpg

Finished pictures of HOTO tower as from "MAL" (Bosnian Construction Company responsible for buildings facade works www.mal.ba )

http://www.mal.ba/images/hoto3.jpg

http://www.mal.ba/images/hotonw1.jpg

http://www.mal.ba/images/hoto2.jpg

This place will be worth visiting one day!!

Not a skyscraper, however these are the results for the new Zagreb Music Academy announced recently. In other words I'm just giving people an idea of contemporary Zagreb architecture.

First Prize ......
http://www.arhitektura.info/~zagreb1/01prilozi/61_ferimport/sost_02.jpg
http://www.arhitektura.info/~zagreb1/01prilozi/61_ferimport/sost_01.jpg
http://www.arhitektura.info/~zagreb1/01prilozi/61_ferimport/sost_03.jpg

Runner Up (Second Prize)
http://www.arhitektura.info/~zagreb1/01prilozi/61_ferimport/fran_02.jpg
http://www.arhitektura.info/~zagreb1/01prilozi/61_ferimport/fran_01.jpg

Other Contenders .....
http://www.arhitektura.info/~zagreb1/01prilozi/61_ferimport/afran_02.jpg
http://www.arhitektura.info/~zagreb1/01prilozi/61_ferimport/afran_03.jpg
http://www.arhitektura.info/~zagreb1/01prilozi/61_ferimport/just_02.jpg
http://www.arhitektura.info/~zagreb1/01prilozi/61_ferimport/Berth_01.jpg
http://www.arhitektura.info/~zagreb1/01prilozi/61_ferimport/Berth_03.jpg
http://www.arhitektura.info/~zagreb1/01prilozi/61_ferimport/Berth_02.jpg
http://www.arhitektura.info/~zagreb1/01prilozi/61_ferimport/brad_01.jpg
http://www.arhitektura.info/~zagreb1/01prilozi/61_ferimport/brad_03.jpg
http://www.arhitektura.info/~zagreb1/01prilozi/61_ferimport/atp_01.jpg
http://www.arhitektura.info/~zagreb1/01prilozi/61_ferimport/atp_03.jpg

Nice designs for the music academy, I kind of like some of the other ones that didn't win compared to the winning design. I guess they are only renders, so it will be interesting how they will make the rainbow work on the upper facade.

Zagreb Tower (pictured below) has received its final approval and can now officially commence construction. Zagreb City Council has this strange process of approving large constuction projects thru a series of "approvals".

Some more mixed news on new skyscrapers. Zagrebacka Banka sought initial approvals from Zagreb City Council to allow plans for another new skyscraper. However this latest Zagreb skyscraper's location wasn't considered ideal and now the bank is looking for another new site.

Final approval is due for the double towers which will begin soon.

On a final note Zagreb will be hosting a Skyscraper Convention this week on the 6 & 7 May and will feature delegates from a number of European cities such as London, Berlin, Warsaw, Paris etc. The conference is to help Zagreb City Council better deal with the growing number of skyscraper proposals ....

Link in Croatian
http://www.vecernji-list.hr/2004/05/03/Pages/neboderi.html

Zagreb Tower
http://www.atp.co.at/data/news/18/klein/01.jpg

Final approval have been issued and this tower is finally set to commence construction. Link in Croatian .......

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/2004/05...s/neboderi.html

Its good to see Zagreb Tower begin construction. I know what its like to wait for this projects to start, the same kind of approval process seems to take place here in Ljubljana. Keep us posted SinCity :)

Zagreb's Pleso Airport moves one step closer to redevelopment. Proposals have been around for the past few years in which vital expansion was required for Zagreb's main civilian airport, however the main issue has been the need to aquire nearby private land needed for the expansion. However the Croatian government has decided on a better option in which land currently set aside for the Croatian airforce will be used instead, thereby reducing costs by about 40million Euros.

Last year Pleso airport experienced 10% growth in passenger traffic. So far in the first 4 months of 2004 Zagreb's Pleso Airport experinced 8.8% growth.

The new terminal is expected to be around 47,000 sq metres and will include 11 airbridges and 27 gates for various sized aircraft. The current terminal is only 15.000 sqm. The new one will be 3 times the size and will cater for the needs of over 3 million passengers.

Zagrebs expansion is coming at a time with stiff competition coming from nearby airports of Budapest, Prague, Vienna & Bratislava to become the regional air transit centre.

Article in Croatian ......

POČINJE MODERNIZACIJA ZRAČNE LUKE ZAGREB
Pleso hvata korak s konkurencijom
Kao način financiranja gradnje novog teminala razmatra se nekoliko opcija
Zračna luka Zagreb napokon je dobila zeleno svjetlo za uključivanje u utrku s drugim aerodromima u regiji kojima je cilj postati raskrižje zračnih puteva. Prvi uvjet za to je ostvaren prošloga tjedna dogovorom državnog vrha da se novi putnički terminal sagradi na dijelu državnog vlasništva koje sad koristi ratno zrakoplovstvo. Master plan razvoja zagrebačkog aerodroma izrađen je još prije nekoliko godina, no jedan od glavnih problema za njegovu realizaciju bio je otkup privatnog zemljišta na kojem se trebao graditi novi terminal.
Ustupanje državnog zemljišta, procjenjuje se, pojeftinit će modernizaciju Plesa za 40 milijuna eura, pa bi ukupna investicija težila oko 110 milijuna eura.
Glavni direktor Zračne luke Zagreb Boško Matković ističe da njegova tvrtka hvata zadnji vlak u borbi s konkurencijom. A konkurenti su već uhvatili zamaha. Aerodromi u Beču, Budimpešti, Pragu i Beogradu bilježe sve veći rast prometa. Bečka zračna luka kupuje bratislavski aerodrom, Pražani se spremaju za gradnju trećeg terminala, a beogradski aeorodrom gradit će drugu uzletno-slijetnu stazu.
- Konkurencija je doista velika. Zračni prijevoz doživljava oporavak od krize i pred njim je ozbiljna ekspanzija.
Među zračnim lukama pobjednik će pak biti onaj tko se bolje pripremi, ponudi bolje uvjete i tko bude fleksibilniji - objašnjava Boško Matković, dodajući da i zagrebački aerodrom bilježi sve veći broj putnika.
Pleso - raskrižje zračnih puteva
Lani ih je bilo nešto manje od milijun i pol, što je 10-postotno povećanje u odnosu na godinu prije, dok je u prvih četiri mjeseca ove godine ostvaren rast 8,8 posto u odnosu na isto lanjsko razdoblje. Stoga će glavna marketinška aktivnost, zagrebačkog aerodroma biti usredotočena na Pleso kao hub odnosno raskrižje zračnih puteva.
Novi terminal mogao bi se izgraditi za tri godine, no Matković upozorava da to ovisi o tome kad će se donijeti konačna odluka i kad će početi radovi.
Terminal površine 47.000 četvornih metara imao bi 11 aviomostova i 27 pozicija stajanki, kapacitet bi mu bio tri milijuna putnika. Postojeći terminal je pak smješten na 15.000 četvronih metara i ima 18 parkirališnih mjesta te može opslužiti svega šest zrakoplova istodobno.
Način financiranja investicije, kaže Matković, još nije definiran i razmatraju se različite opcije. Neke od njih su model s koncesijom - Built Operate Transfer (BOT) za koji je još 2000. godine zanimanje iskazalo pet potencijlanih partnera.
Po tom modelu konzorcij partnera izgradi objekt i stavlja ga u funkciju te uzima pod koncesiju.
Druga opcija je ulazak strateškog partnera u vlasništvo zračne luke u kojoj je 55-postotni vlasnik država. Usto jedna od mogućnosti finaciranja projekta je i državno zaduživanje. Matković navodi da su EBRD i Europska investicijska banka iskazali zanimanje da pod određenim uvjetima sudjeluju u gradnji novog teminala.
Piše Josip Bohutinski

Link .....
http://www.vecernji-list.hr/POSLOVNI/2004/05/19/Pages/pleso.html

Nice one! Can't wait to see the first renderings of the new terminal - with 11 gates , its gonna be pretty big:)

By the way, don't forget Belgrade - article mentions it, but you don't - your inferiority complex shows;)

Article says Belgrade will build another runaway, which is great.
This is how its planned to look by 2010.

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/500/3062plan-ab.jpg

Nice one! Can't wait to see the first renderings of the new terminal - with 11 gates , its gonna be pretty big:)

By the way, don't forget Belgrade - article mentions it, but you don't - your inferiority complex shows;)

Article says Belgrade will build another runaway, which is great.
This is how its planned to look by 2010.


Ah yes, Belgrade ....... that unimportant city to the East full of important nobodies ...... LOL ;)

Its good Belgrade airport is getting some much needed changes, but dont you think that its all a huge waste of money. I mean look at Serbia's position in Europe. It really is in the middle of nowhere. Serbia isn't exactly a tourism destination either and it is nothing of an economic superpower. Only last week, the IMF announced that Serbia would only see ecomomic growth of 3.0 % making it the last in the region. Bosnia was going to see growth of 5.1%, Macedonia & Albania were going to see some of the biggest regional growth.

Nice plans for Belgrade, but you have to realistic here. Serbia is a has-been place and will sadly stay that way for quite some time ..........

Ah yes, Belgrade ....... that unimportant city to the East full of important nobodies ...... LOL ;)

Its good Belgrade airport is getting some much needed changes, but dont you think that its all a huge waste of money. I mean look at Serbia's position in Europe. It really is in the middle of nowhere. Serbia isn't exactly a tourism destination either and it is nothing of an economic superpower. Only last week, the IMF announced that Serbia would only see ecomomic growth of 3.0 % making it the last in the region. Bosnia was going to see growth of 5.1%, Macedonia & Albania were going to see some of the biggest regional growth.

Nice plans for Belgrade, but you have to realistic here. Serbia is a has-been place and will sadly stay that way for quite some time ..........

lol, you unlucky guy with "i mus thate serbs" complex. Tourism is important, but that isn't all, i would be lucky not to have a thousand tourist to waste our nature. But the geographical positions for the "transit power" is perfect, the ONCE highway who direct connects southern europe with western part is of course the highway nis-belgrade-budapest/zagreb, you knowledge about the basis infrastructure in balkan is absolute zero. Maybe i should show you a map ? I wonder why the western companies opens a lot of new gas-stations on highway subotica-belgrade or belgrade-nis ? I wonder why EU finances and build a new border station on serbian side between hungary and serbia, a border stations with 16 lanes ??? Omg, we don't need it, it is enough to have a simple dirty road to very unimportant country of serbia. What a paranoidofasistic idiot you are.

lol, you unlucky guy with "i mus thate serbs" complex. Tourism is important, but that isn't all, i would be lucky not to have a thousand tourist to waste our nature. But the geographical positions for the "transit power" is perfect, the ONCE highway who direct connects southern europe with western part is of course the highway nis-belgrade-budapest/zagreb, you knowledge about the basis infrastructure in balkan is absolute zero. Maybe i should show you a map ? I wonder why the western companies opens a lot of new gas-stations on highway subotica-belgrade or belgrade-nis ? I wonder why EU finances and build a new border station on serbian side between hungary and serbia, a border stations with 16 lanes ??? Omg, we don't need it, it is enough to have a simple dirty road to very unimportant country of serbia. What a paranoidofasistic idiot you are.

Wow, I made Individue angry :D

Seriously you should know better. Serbia is not going to amount to anything much. You are years behind in building this new motorway from Belgrade to Serbia's south. Its already too late, most traffic from Western Europe will now pass thru Zagreb-Split-Dubrovnik.

The new North-South freeway tru Bosnia will take the rest of the traffic from Hungary, Poland down south. Perhaps I should show you a few maps ........

Serbia has missed its chance here. Even when you find the money to build it, most traffic will only use it to pass thru Serbia. I hardly think anyone would want to stop there ;)

Zagreb, no offence is doing better than Belgrade.

Another Office Tower is under construction in central Zagreb. This new tower will be the head office of "Croatia Osiguranje" which is the Croatia's largest insurance company with over 100 years history. The new tower is in the vastly growing commercial zone next to other new buildings under construction.

News has it that Serbia's Karic brothers will be building a new office tower in Zagreb. Details are not final but will be available soon. It looks to be big. The Karic brothers are also constructing a golf resort in Croatia's popular Istrian peninsula.

Here are some pics of Croatia Osiguranje's Tower under construction Total size: 25,000sqm (Nice design & interesting formwork IMO)....

http://www.opik.hr/include/images/ref_lista/croatia_osiguranje_90_x.jpg

http://www.opik.hr/include/images/ref_lista/croatia_osiguranje_72_x.jpg

http://www.opik.hr/include/images/ref_lista/croatia_osiguranje_88_x.jpg

http://www.opik.hr/include/images/ref_lista/croatia_osiguranje_58_x.jpg

http://www.opik.hr/include/images/ref_lista/croatia_osiguranje_53_x.jpg

Looking good!
Is there a rendering of how its supposed to look when done?

Nice building, especially those formworks. It would be nice to see the final finished tower.

Nice building, especially those formworks. It would be nice to see the final finished tower.

Thanks Slovenija! When will we see some more Ljubljana pics?

This tower was completed in March 2004, but I cam across some construction pics. I love building construction pics .....

http://www.opik.hr/include/images/reference/hoto3_x.jpg
http://www.opik.hr/include/images/reference/hoto4_x.jpg
http://www.opik.hr/include/images/reference/hoto2_x.jpg
http://www.opik.hr/include/images/reference/hoto5_x.jpg
http://www.opik.hr/include/images/reference/hoto6_x.jpg
http://www.opik.hr/include/images/reference/hoto1_x.jpg
http://www.mal.ba/images/zg1.jpg
http://www.mal.ba/images/hotonw1.jpg

Nice building.

I would prefer 3x 40 level buildings because a bunch of these would create a better skyline for Zagreb. So far there are plenty of 20+ level towers on the way.

You are right, having a 104 level tower is horrible to look at as a view on the skyline.

Thank God this building didn't end up in a blue glass facade. Looks great. I love this image

http://www.opik.hr/include/images/reference/hoto2_x.jpg

Yeah this photos rocks!

I mean look at the Kingdom centre and the Al-Falsayliah centre in Riyadh, they look wierd because they look so funny, 2 tall buildings poking out of 10-20 storied buildings.

I mean look at the Kingdom centre and the Al-Falsayliah centre in Riyadh, they look wierd because they look so funny, 2 tall buildings poking out of 10-20 storied buildings.

Are you refering to Zagreb above?

Anyway there are other towers of similar height and a couple more have already commenced construction. Only a few weeks ago, work began on Eurotower which I think will be Zagreb's tallest, and it was also annouced 2 weeks ago that Zagreb Tower also commenced construction. These 2 towers are near to the above two, HOTO & Cibonna, with also nearby Zagrebcanka & Chromos Towers. Set to start in the months ahead will also be Erste Bank tower which most likely to date will be Zagrebs biggest once it is complete.

More are in the pipeline in addition to a myriad of smaller buildings up to 12 levels also being constructed around the same area. All of which are office towers :)

Are you refering to Zagreb above?

Anyway there are other towers of similar height and a couple more have already commenced construction. Only a few weeks ago, work began on Eurotower which I think will be Zagreb's tallest, and it was also annouced 2 weeks ago that Zagreb Tower also commenced construction. These 2 towers are near to the above two, HOTO & Cibonna, with also nearby Zagrebcanka & Chromos Towers. Set to start in the months ahead will also be Erste Bank tower which most likely to date will be Zagrebs biggest once it is complete.

More are in the pipeline in addition to a myriad of smaller buildings up to 12 levels also being constructed around the same area. All of which are office towers :)

That reminds me, I have a number of other new Zagreb buildings to add to Euroscrapers.

Nice pics, Mr Croatia!

I will be updating this thread with a bunch of whole new commercial projects which are currently under way, especially the biggest mother of them all at a whopping 90,000 sqm!

SinCity

Are you refering to Zagreb above?

Anyway there are other towers of similar height and a couple more have already commenced construction. Only a few weeks ago, work began on Eurotower which I think will be Zagreb's tallest, and it was also annouced 2 weeks ago that Zagreb Tower also commenced construction. These 2 towers are near to the above two, HOTO & Cibonna, with also nearby Zagrebcanka & Chromos Towers. Set to start in the months ahead will also be Erste Bank tower which most likely to date will be Zagrebs biggest once it is complete.

More are in the pipeline in addition to a myriad of smaller buildings up to 12 levels also being constructed around the same area. All of which are office towers :)

Yea, well, any medium rise bulding city.

Nice pictures Mr Croatia.

Now, I must admitt that the building is very impressive, yet the new skyscraper in "New Sarajevo" is better. I don't have any pictures of it yet, but I advise all of you to look for it in the future. The framework on the building in Sarajevo is much more complex and artistic.
Thanks for reading,
-Timur Taljanovic

Work is well and truely under way in what is Zagreb's biggest construction project ..... "The Hypo Alpe Adria Centre".

This will the regional head office of the Austrian based "Hype Alpe Adria Bank" which has a strong presence not only in Croatia, but also in Slovenia, Bosnia, Italy, Liechtenstein and only recently Serbia.

This project is not the tallest under construction in Croatia's capital, but is definately the biggest construction at a whopping 86,000 sqm. This is the equivalent to the same floor space of an 85 storey building!

This is one of many commercial buildings currently under construction in Zagreb.

It is a complex of 4 buildings linked together. Here are some images, renders and a background with links .....

CONSTRUCTION OF HYPO ALPE-ADRIA CENTRE

On the corner of Marohnićeva Street and Slavonska Avenue in Zagreb we are building our new Hypo Alpe-Adria Centre, a multi-functional business complex of total gross area of approx. 86.000 m2. The Centre will consist of four buildings: building 1 that will mostly be reserved for Hypo Group and partially for rental; building 2 that will consist of large congress centre for 1000 persons, 10 seminar rooms, wellness centre; building 3 that will have offices and business premises and building 4 with kindergarten, apartments and business premises. All premises are for rental only. The completion of the whole project has been planned for the end of year 2005.

Link in English from Hypo Alpe-Adria .....
http://www.hypo-alpe-adria.hr/poslovnicentar.asp

Current pic of project ....
http://www.hypo-alpe-adria.hr/sitestat/HypoCam.exe?Size=2

Render ....
http://www.hypo-alpe-adria.hr/images/nhq_small.jpg

Here is some more information & renders from Hypo Alpe-Adria's construction firm ......

HYPO ALPE ADRIA CENTRE
Project Statistics

Project Title Hypo Alpe Adria Centre
Company Investinzenjering

Project date 2001-2004
Project duration 40 months
Location Zagreb, Croatia
Finnancing Agency Alpe Adria Investments d.o.o.
Contract Sum 68 Milion EUR
Service Project and construction management and supervision
Scope of Project New business center for Hypo Alpe Adria Bank, total development of 86,000 sq.m

HYPO ALPE ADRIA CENTRE

The 86,000 M2 Hypo Alpe-Adria Centre in the largest current development in Zagreb, Croatia. We are responsiple as Project Managers and supervision . A configuration of Four buildings on a 3 level plinth of sub-levels measures on each level at 12,000 M2. The function vary from predominate office space, a conference centre, apartments and retail areas. Scheduled for completion at end of 2005.

Client: Alpe-Adria Investments d.o.o
Concept Architects: Morphosis Architects-Los
Executive Architects: Tehnozone d.o.o
Main Architects: Moser Architekten GmbH
Structures: Smagra d.o.o.
Mechanical: TbSorz GmbH
Electrcial: Gregoritsch GmbH
Facade Engineers: AFC GmbH

http://www.gin.hr/images/haa-v.jpg
http://www.gin.hr/images/haa5-v.jpg
http://www.gin.hr/images/haa4-v.jpg
http://www.gin.hr/images/haa2-v.jpg
http://www.gin.hr/images/haa3-v.jpg
http://www.gin.hr/images/haa7-v.jpg
http://www.gin.hr/images/haa6-v.jpg
http://www.gin.hr/images/haa8-v.jpg

Link in English .....
http://www.gin.hr/project_haa.htm

That will look nice, when finished.

This one has risen rapidly. If only they used their brains to stack the 4 buildings into one. Now that would have been big! :)

Anyway, I think this image is a webcam that updates itself regularly so we can keep an eye on it ....

http://www.hypo-alpe-adria.hr/sitestat/HypoCam.exe?Size=2

This one has risen rapidly. If only they used their brains to stack the 4 buildings into one. Now that would have been big! :)

Anyway, I think this image is a webcam that updates itself regularly so we can keep an eye on it ....

http://www.hypo-alpe-adria.hr/sitestat/HypoCam.exe?Size=2

Yes, its a pity the architects didn't think of that in the first place. Another tower would have been great. Still its a nice design! :)

Guess what?

The image does update itself automatically and its live, therefore it must be a webcam ..... cool, it seems to constantly update itself. Now I can also check live Zagreb's weather LOL....... :D :D :D :D

Wow, finally I find discussions on Croatian projects. Thats a nice complex!

Are there many more buildings under construction in Zagreb?

Wow, finally I find discussions on Croatian projects. Thats a nice complex!

Are there many more buildings under construction in Zagreb?

Welcome to the forum Klokan! (LOL)

You wouldn't be from Australia by any chance????

In regards to construction of towers in Zagreb, there is already about 330,000 sqm under construction, many buildings indeed. Take a look at Zagreb in the city section of this forum .......

Cheers.

SinCity

According to Spiller Farmer International Real Estate Consultants from their Zagreb office, there is currently 350,000sqm of new office space currently under way in Croatia's capital of Zagreb. Here is a list of the projects and their size .....

Hypo Centre - 86,000sqm - Under construction
Eurotower - 60,000sqm - Under construction
Almeria Complex - 40,000sqm - To commence
Centar Projekt - 35,000sqm - Under construction
Zagreb Tower - 25,000sqm - Under construction
Hoto Business Tower - 22,500sqm - Recently completed
VMD Vukovarska - 28,500sqm - Nearing completion
Grand Centre Zagreb - 13,000 - Under construction
EuroCentar - 10,000 - Under construction
VMD Budmanijeva - 7,000 - Completed
Ilica 1 - 7,500sqm - Completed
MANI Buzin - 6,000 - Under construction
Boston Global Centre - 5,000 - Under construction

BTW - this is only a record of projects over 5,000sqm. And the best thing is ... there is more to come ...... ie Erste Bank Tower approx 50,000sqm and Zagreb Bank Tower which will be of equal height.

www.spillerfarmer.hr

VMD Budmanijeva
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/dec/dec_2.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/dec/dec_7.jpg
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/images/dec/dec_4.jpg

VMD Vukovarska
http://www.vmd-promet.hr/gnews/img/news_pcvmd1.jpg

Eurocentre
http://www.eurocenter.hr/hr/foto/01.jpg
www.eurocentre.hr

Hypo Centre
http://www.gin.hr/images/haa-v.jpg
http://www.gin.hr/images/haa5-v.jpg

Zagreb Tower
http://www.onlinehausverwaltung.at/Userimages/zagreb-tower-stadt01-600pix.jpg

EuroTower
http://www.arhitektura.info/~zagreb1/01prilozi/30_humboldt/humboldt_02.jpg
http://www.arhitektura.info/~zagreb1/01prilozi/30_humboldt/humboldt_01.jpg

Thats very impressive @ a total of 350,000sqm of commercial space under construction.

Wow, that's nice. I like that hypo center most, but towers are great too :yes:

Wow, that's nice. I like that hypo center most, but towers are great too :yes:

Hello Mantaz,

If you are interested on any further information on the Hypo Alpe Adria Centre ......

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=119114

http://www.hypo-alpe-adria.hr/poslovnicentar.asp

Otherwise the below construction webcam day or night gives a constant update. Just hit the refresh button on your web browser :)

http://www.hypo-alpe-adria.hr/sitestat/HypoCam.exe?Size=2

Thanks for that, the design is really great :yes:

Thanks guys on a very extensive roundup of projects in Zagreb. I wasn't aware of all the activity as I haven't been there for a couple of years. Should have a good little skyline in the next year or so.

This is the Eurotower project which is now under construction isn't it?

Any more news on this one. At what stage are they at? Approval, construction, etc??

Welcome to the forum Klokan! (LOL)

You wouldn't be from Australia by any chance????

In regards to construction of towers in Zagreb, there is already about 330,000 sqm under construction, many buildings indeed. Take a look at Zagreb in the city section of this forum .......

Cheers.

SinCity

Yes, I'm from Melbourne. How about you?

I came across the other threads on new Zagreb towers. Pretty good stuff. :)

Thats quite a large amount of office space. Thats like the equivalent of 3x NYC WTC towers.

I notice that most of the projects are close to one another. This Vukovarska street seems to be the place of major construction activity in Zagreb.

It'd be nice if we could get a panorama shot of all this.

This is the Eurotower project which is now under construction isn't it?

Yep, originally planned as 2x 138m twin towers. However the new owners of the site couldn't get re-approval of the old plan as it expired. Pity, this design is still good IMO.

Any more news on this one. At what stage are they at? Approval, construction, etc??

This one is going theu the approval processes @ Zagreb City Council. Should have more news on this one soon.

Yes, I'm from Melbourne. How about you?

I came across the other threads on new Zagreb towers. Pretty good stuff. :)

Cool, welcome to the forum. I have sent you a personal message. :)

Thats quite a large amount of office space. Thats like the equivalent of 3x NYC WTC towers.

I notice that most of the projects are close to one another. This Vukovarska street seems to be the place of major construction activity in Zagreb.

It'd be nice if we could get a panorama shot of all this.

Finding decent pictures is a pain in the arse. So when I endeavour to find them, I post them here.

It is quite a lot of office space, its in different forms, some of it skyscrapers, most of it is however campus style commercial buildings. Theres more on the way, but yes Vukovarska, along with Savska are your 2 main commercial strips in Zagreb to which most modern office buildings, including many of those under construction are located. Other streets that feed off this two boulevardes are also attracting construction activity ....

That new building sure does look good. As for the thought of Sarajevo, they are thinking of making a building alot taller than the Bosmal City Center. As for when or if this building will be made, I don't have the slightest clue! Looks like a nice project for Croatia. You all just wait, Sarajevo and Zagreb are going to become known throughout Europe more than just little Balkan cities.

I actually like the latter better. It seems to me the more straightforward design won't look outdate for a loong time, as compared to the wavy look on the winning design. But that's just my impression from the pictures, I'll have to see it for myself one day to know for sure.

I actually lived in Zagreb for a year. It was a very nice city, but I was only a kid so I couldn't really appreciate it. I really should go back to see it sometime, especialy now that it's really growing.

Another large residential project is on its way, following the recent commencement of a new residential area in the suburb of Spansko on the vast site of the former Yugoslav army base which was the largest in the city of Zagreb.

Vrbani 3 is a greenfields development that will be home to more than 6000 residents, stretched over 2000 apartments housed mostly in buildings of several levels on an area of about 29 sq hectres. The new district is located next to Jarun Lake which is a favourite place of relaxation and activites for the residents of Zagreb. The new estate will also be home to the following facilities ....

- Olympics sporting facility which includes an enclosed swimming centre, large sports area, a Croatian sports Museum, and other associated sporting venues.

- Both an Elementary and a High School

- Office Tower & Commercial Centre

- Vast Shopping Complex

- Hotel

The new estate begins construction early 2005.

Link in Croatian .....
http://www.d-a-z.hr/ostalo/natjecaji/vrbani3/1nagrada-Vrbani3.jpg

Here is the winning design, including a couple of skyscrapers :) ...
http://www.d-a-z.hr/ostalo/natjecaji/vrbani3/1nagrada-Vrbani3.jpg

^ 29 Hectares!!

Don't know why you ended up Belgrade Taipei101, obviously Zagreb is the better place LOL ;)

That's a big project but I think they should have created more highrise buildings on that model, that one highrise will be too lonely. Anyway good to see big projects being developed in Zagreb.

You can't study in Zagreb on a Russian visa, SinCity;)

Hey, I would just like to ask how long this new project will take to complete? I would guess a very long time, since there are many new building's being built! Also, does anyone have any construction pictures?

That's a big project but I think they should have created more highrise buildings on that model, that one highrise will be too lonely. Anyway good to see big projects being developed in Zagreb.

I agree, I'm not exactly a fan of urban sprawl, they could have built a few more higrises instead of a bunch of 6 storey buildings.

Hey, I would just like to ask how long this new project will take to complete? I would guess a very long time, since there are many new building's being built! Also, does anyone have any construction pictures?
Thanks,
-Timur Taljanovic

The construction begins in early 2005 so there are no pictures as yet. The whole project will probably go ahead in stages. First the apartments will be built which from the sale will help finance in part some of the other projects. The shopping / office centre will be built by private enterprise. So far everything looks to go ahead smoothly. :)

The winning plan has been announced for another project destined to begin in suburban Zagreb. The empty 65 hectare of land located in the busy suburb of Buzin which is Zagreb's "other" central business district which is home to many foreign and local company headquarters, including the new US Embassy which opened last year.

Buzin is located close to Zagreb airport, hence why the suburb is full of commercial and retail buildings. In the past couple of years it has been a huge hive of construction activity with more to come with the below project. Buzin is also located next to major rail lines and junctions. It is also up against Zagreb's major freeway networks as shown below in the winning design. Buzin is basically Zagreb's major southern gateway!

The winning design consists of a vast retail and commecial centre, covered over by a public square which is surrounded by a number of tall office towers. It is also to serve as a transport hub for commuter trains, trams, buses, etc.

Article in Croatian ....
http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/regions/zagreb/56804/index.do

Buzin Master Plan
http://www.d-a-z.hr/ostalo/natjecaji/buzin/1_nagrada-Buzin.jpg

Wow, thats on great master plan for that area! Thanks SinCity!

Zagreb sits on the Sava River which actually runs down the centre of the city (south of the CBD). Plans are underway for a massive urban renewal project that will utilise Zagreb's waterfront. Currently the area around the Sava River is basically wide green space and nothing else which has raised banks to prevent flooding. Up stream plans involve a series of dams that will regulate water flow which in turn will lead to a consistant water level in Zagreb of the Sava River. (Slovenia has already begun such similar work and one dam is nearly complete).

This in turn will allow the creation of proper walls for the Sava river and will allow for office, residential and recreation space to be included. Below is one of the many proposals for a new performing arts centre. Other buildings include retail / office and possible government departments relocating to new riverside locations, even perhaps a new Croatian parliament building ......

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/040806/obz-zagrebu-txt.jpg

Looks like a great idea for Zagreb. I have always wondered as to why Zagreb never really made much use of the Sava. Everthing down there is built back from the river and there are all of thess large raised banks everywhere so as to prevent any major floods.

Slovenia is building I think 5 dams that will regulate the flow of the Sava, so I gather thats what is planned here. The other thing that comes to mind is how further down the Sava river is how Belgrade manages to prevent flooding, considering that the Danube flows also into that city. Thats plently of water that flows down in that direction.

Serbia's engineers built a whole system of canals, ditches , etc around Belgrade, to prevent possible flooding of the area. So floods are very rare in the region today. These canals are great fishing places...full of fish and just outside the city:)

And its not two rivers that flow in the Belgrade region, its three- Danube(Passau, Vienna, Bratislava, Budapest cities are all on Danube), Sava(Ljubljana, Zagreb) and TISA river ( Szeged in Hungary and others)

When will horvatincic build 376 m high skyscraper.

When will horvatincic build 376 m high skyscraper.

Hard to imagine 376m skyscraper in Zagreb as much as it is hard to imagine Slobomir tower in Republika Srpska.

If nothing else then it would look ugly to have such a dominating building over Zagreb.

I find out that will be build 2008 and will look like Deutsch bank in Frankfurt.

I find out that will be build 2008 and will look like Deutsch bank in Frankfurt.

Provide the link please because I couldn`t find anything.

I am still at my earlier statement that it would look ugly over such an old city as Zagreb!

It would be 2 or 3 times taller than Deutsche bank! Yuck! No offense but :puke:

I think that it will be buteaful. www.index.hr/clanak.aspx?id=175354

I think you are just envisous.

I think you are just envisous.

Nope. You can ask anyone in Zagreb what they think of building such a huge building over the city. It will bethe tallest of Europe I think.

"Neka ga gradi, ali ne u Zagrebu, a ponajmanje u blizini centra "-comment on the website

I would like to see bunch of 150 meters buildings but 376..... Hardly

My impression of Zagreb (tower was in the center but it was moved by forum):


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Do you live in Zagreb the you know what people think?This skyscraper will be trademark of Zagreb and hole Croatia.

And this is how I see it!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v360/Singidunum/ZagrebSkyline2.jpg

Do you live in Zagreb the you know what people think?This skyscraper will be trademark of Zagreb and hole Croatia.

I think it will be the shadow over half of Zagreb! Also I know what people think when I see some other forums and chats. Just on some IRC and ask would you like 376m tower in the city center?

You will get answers similar to the comment from that website-"Neka ga gradi, ali ne u Zagrebu, a ponajmanje u blizini centra ".

I find out that will be build 2008 and will look like Deutsch bank in Frankfurt.

In a recent interview only a few months ago Horvatincic stated that he is still going to build Europe's tallest tower in Zagreb. He recently completed his HOTO Business tower and was now working on a number of residential projects in Zagreb.

He has a team working on its design, but I dont think it will be complete by Croatia's EU entry which is what he originally wanted (2008). Horvatincic sticks to his word that he wants to build this tower. Whether Zagreb City Council will allow him is a different story. They are very fussy over height limits.

Horvatincic may actually realise this and it may be he is after a compromise in constructing a building close to that height but not exactly that height. He may be using it as an option for negotiating a much taller building than what Zagreb city council will normally allow. Perhaps between 200-300m in height which would be more realistic.

The planned building is not in the city centre. It lies south where all the new office towers are currently being built in Zagreb. This is the city's new CBD so it would not cause shadows on the old city, etc, etc .....

Either way Horvatincic is going to build something big for Zagreb.

Damivanc, if you are interested, I can send you a link on Horvatincic's interview.

SinCity

Yes,i am intrested, SinCity.

I think he'll end up building something 200m but not this tall. I think this guy should look at 3 buildings in various heights like 1 building 200m tall, another one 150m and another about 100m tall. 3 different sized buildings bunched together would look cool

Still Zagreb is very impressive with what is being built. The Croat capital is one elegant city which I hear has had an increase of about 20% in tourism from last year and is fast becoming one of the must see cities in Europe.

Zagreb is a nice city with plenty happening. Been there many times. :)

Thanks Bosnjak! Welcome to our forum btw!

Business Centre & Hotel Internacional

Zagreb's existing "Hotel Internacional" is finally getting an upgrade. Once work is completed the hotel should have either a 3-4 star rating.

Adjoing the hotel, a new 13 level office tower is being constructed with approximately 12,000 sqm of office space. The base will include retail outlets.

This redevelopment is located on Vukovarska Street which is hive of construction activity forming the epicentre of a growing new CBD.

3D Image of new project
http://www.dnevnik.com.hr/admin/upload/images/1090350532internacional_cimbalB.jpg

Article in Croatian .....

Uz gradnju poslovnog centra obnova hotela Internacional
20.07.2004 | 21:07

Business centar Internacional, koji se gradi u sklopu hotela Internacional na križanju Vukovarske i Miramarske, bit će gotov do jeseni iduće godine.

piše Merita Arslani

Voditelj projekta Joško Marić najavio je da će to biti jedan od modernijih poslovnih centara koji se grade u okolici. U južnom krilu zgrade ostat će hotel Internacional, no bit će znatno poboljšan, a cilj je da nakon adaptacije hotel dobije 3+ ili 4 zvjezdice.

“Primarno je da to bude poslovni tip hotela, namijenjen poslovnim ljudima. S obzirom na to da će poslovni dio centra zasigurno biti prodan tvrtkama i bankama, očekuje se da će klijentela biti uglavnom poslovni ljudi”, rekao je Marić. Dodao je da će na zadnjoj etaži biti ekskluzivniji apartmani koji neće imati zidove i prozore, nego će biti u staklu, te će imati izlaz na krov.

Obnavlja se i kasino

Isto tako, hotel proširuje i obnavlja postojeći kasino, a od ostalih je sadržaja velika novost i nekoliko restorana koji će biti u sklopu hotela, te brojni poslovni sadržaji koje investitori za sada nisu otkrili. Osim toga, podzemna garaža koja se gradi bit će sa zgradom povezana liftovima i hodnicima, gdje će također biti nekoliko lokala. U poslovnom dijelu centra uredi na zadnjoj etaži također će biti ekskluzivnijeg tipa, dok će njihova prosječna veličina biti oko 24 četvorna metra.

“Prodaja poslovnih prostora počet će već najesen, tako da ćemo veličinu ureda moći prilagoditi potrebama i željama klijenata. Uredi će imati lake pregradne zidove, pa će se moći kombinirati da uredi budu i bez zidova, te manji ili veći od 24 m2, dok će ukupno biti oko 12.000 četvornih metara uredskih prostora”, istaknuo je Marić.

Briga za sigurnost

Sjeverni dio zgrade, kako doznajemo, predviđen je za uredske prostore direktora i menadžera, koji će biti veličine od 40 do 90 četvornih metara s pretprostorijama za tajnice. U prizemlju su također predviđeni ekskluzivniji uredi, a cijene prostora, koji su namijenjeni isključivo za prodaju, još nisu određene. Međutim, zainteresiranih klijenata već ima, a uglavnom je riječ o bankama, osiguravajućim društvima te nekim domaćim tvrtkama.

...ostatak u tiskanom izdanju...

I wish somebody could get us a photos of this street or a panorama so we can see how its all coming along. I remember many office buildings in that street years ago.

Supposed to look good come summer 2006!

My favourite in Zagreb is HOTO tower. Cibona looks like a can but HOTO is really nice.

Does anybody have renderigs of Zagreb whit all new projects?

Does anybody have renderigs of Zagreb whit all new projects?

DO you mean with all the new projects in one image?

DO you mean with all the new projects in one image?
Yes.

Its a big city, and most of these projects are not that big to be seen all on one photo, like you can see in Warsaw for example.

On this photo, you can see the new Erste bank tower.
http://www.d-a-z.hr/ostalo/natjecaji/erstebank-zagreb/II-nagrada-situacija1.jpg

In a recent interview only a few months ago Horvatincic stated that he is still going to build Europe's tallest tower in Zagreb. He recently completed his HOTO Business tower and was now working on a number of residential projects in Zagreb.

He has a team working on its design, but I dont think it will be complete by Croatia's EU entry which is what he originally wanted (2008). Horvatincic sticks to his word that he wants to build this tower. Whether Zagreb City Council will allow him is a different story. They are very fussy over height limits.

Horvatincic may actually realise this and it may be he is after a compromise in constructing a building close to that height but not exactly that height. He may be using it as an option for negotiating a much taller building than what Zagreb city council will normally allow. Perhaps between 200-300m in height which would be more realistic.

The planned building is not in the city centre. It lies south where all the new office towers are currently being built in Zagreb. This is the city's new CBD so it would not cause shadows on the old city, etc, etc .....

Either way Horvatincic is going to build something big for Zagreb.

Damivanc, if you are interested, I can send you a link on Horvatincic's interview.

SinCity
Provide the link.

Provide the link.

Its only in Croatian! ;)

^
I think he's Croatian;)

I am Croatian.

Construction is under way on another 4-5 star luxury hotel for Zagreb. The complex will consist of hotel, office and retail and covers an area of 30,000 sqm. Located on Ljubljanska street which is one of Zagreb's main roads leading to the city centre. The complex is 10 levels and will involve a rotating restaurant on the top level and a swimming pool on the roof .....

http://www.vjesnik.com/html/2004/08/25/Clanak.asp?r=zag&c=2

Great to see Zagreb coming along. I'm not sure if anybody here knows this, but I actually lived there for a year. Nice city from what I remember of it.. which is too little. Ban Jelacic square though was fantastic. The statue, the pizzerias, the restaurants, the book store up the hill (Svjet Knjiga I think)... to be honest I'm not sure moving the U.S. was a good thing, maybe it would've been nicer to stay, been easier to get back to bosnia that way too. But I did have a huge Zagreb accent and that's one thing I'm very happy to have gotten rid of :lol:

Nice new project for Zagreb, but that company building it (Antonovic TA) looks like its mafia-related (eh, everything in our region is)

Among their businesses, they list "trgovina naftom":D

Could be alegal buisiness, who knows, they buy cheap Russian oil , sell it to the Italians for double the price;)

Great news for the Zagreb.

New Hypo Alpe Adria Group Business Center is under construction

CONSTRUCTION OF HYPO ALPE-ADRIA CENTRE

On the corner of Marohnićeva Street and Slavonska Avenue in Zagreb we are building our new Hypo Alpe-Adria Centre, a multi-functional business complex of total gross area of approx. 86.000 m2. The Centre will consist of four buildings: building 1 that will mostly be reserved for Hypo Group and partially for rental; building 2 that will consist of large congress centre for 1000 persons, 10 seminar rooms, wellness centre; building 3 that will have offices and business premises and building 4 with kindergarten, apartments and business premises. All premises are for rental only. The completion of the whole project has been planned for the end of year 2005.

I will open new thread about this construction in the Zagreb with photos.

Does anybody know anithing about skyscraper on Medvedgrad brewery site?

Picture of new luxury Hotel now under construction. Includes a rotating cupola with a bar inside. Roof top swimming pool and external lifts. Upon completion next year it should be 4-5 Stars. Included is commercial and retail space .... Total size: 30,000sqm.

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/regions/zagreb/77138/index.do

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/040826/zag-avenija-txt.jpg

Construction is well under way on a new 9 level luxury hotel for Zagreb. The complex is a total 30,000 sqm and involves a rotating bar beneath the upper cupola. The full rotation takes about 30 minutes and is designed to take in sweeping views of Zagreb. Included is a huge roof top swimming pool and external glass elevators. Commercial & retail space is part of the complex. Its due for completion in 2005 and is located on Ljubljanska Road which is main thoroughfare into central Zagreb from the west.

Link in Croatian
http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/regions/zagreb/77138/index.do

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/040826/zag-avenija-txt.jpg

It looks cool.

Look' nice...

Thanks,
-Timur Taljanovic

http://www.centarprojekt.hr/images/page_logo_1.jpghttp://www.centarprojekt.hr/images/page_logo_2.jpghttp://www.centarprojekt.hr/images/page_logo_3.jpghttp://www.centarprojekt.hr/images/page_logo_4.jpg

Centar Projekt - Zagreb (Now Under Construction)

Work is well under way for a vast commercial project in Zagreb. Measuring a total of 80,000 sqm metres in a number of buildings joining each other is the Centar Projekt. The complex will comprise of retail on lower levels including 3 x 10 floor buildings above. Here are some details, renders and current construction pics :) ................

Projekt Center

A town in a town, optimal position – good connections. Only 5 minutes on foot from the bus station, 14 minutes by public transportation to the Ban Jelacic Square, 15 minutes by car to Zagreb's Pleso airport.

Near Zagreb city center
On the Bregana– Slavonski Brod highway
Near the airport
Our own shuttle to the airport
Good highway connection
Close to public transportation stop

http://www.centarprojekt.hr/images/cp_big5.jpg

http://www.centarprojekt.hr/images/plan_big.jpg

http://www.centarprojekt.hr/images/cp_big3.jpg

http://www.centarprojekt.hr/images/cp-big1.jpg

http://www.centarprojekt.hr/images/cp_big2.jpg

http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/01%20NIK.jpg

Construction Pics

http://www.opik.hr/include/images/aktualno/centarprojekt_01x.jpg

http://www.opik.hr/include/images/aktualno/centarprojekt_02x.jpg

http://www.opik.hr/include/images/aktualno/centarprojekt_03x.jpg

http://www.opik.hr/include/images/aktualno/centarprojekt_05x.jpg

http://www.opik.hr/include/images/aktualno/centarprojekt_04x.jpg

http://www.opik.hr/include/images/aktualno/centarprojekt_06x.jpg

Wow! Zagreb is really building like crazy.:)

Wow! Zagreb is really building like crazy.:)


I wouldn't say "crazy", remember...there are only 3 different projects in SinCity's thread. Yet I must admitt, they really do look interesting! BTW, what happened to Mr Croatia?...He always had really good threads and photos!

Thanks,
-Timur Taljanovic

http://www.centarprojekt.hr/images/page_logo_1.jpghttp://www.centarprojekt.hr/images/page_logo_2.jpghttp://www.centarprojekt.hr/images/page_logo_3.jpghttp://www.centarprojekt.hr/images/page_logo_4.jpg

Centar Projekt - Zagreb (Now Under Construction)

Work is well under way for a vast commercial project in Zagreb. Measuring a total of 80,000 sqm metres in a number of buildings joining each other is the Centar Projekt. The complex will comprise of retail on lower levels including 3 x 10 floor buildings above. Here are some details, renders and current construction pics :) ................

Projekt Center

A town in a town, optimal position – good connections. Only 5 minutes on foot from the bus station, 14 minutes by public transportation to the Ban Jelacic Square, 15 minutes by car to Zagreb's Pleso airport.

Near Zagreb city center
On the Bregana– Slavonski Brod highway
Near the airport
Our own shuttle to the airport
Good highway connection
Close to public transportation stop

http://www.centarprojekt.hr/images/cp_big5.jpg

http://www.centarprojekt.hr/images/plan_big.jpg

http://www.centarprojekt.hr/images/cp_big3.jpg

http://www.centarprojekt.hr/images/cp-big1.jpg

http://www.centarprojekt.hr/images/cp_big2.jpg

http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/01%20NIK.jpg

Construction Pics

http://www.opik.hr/include/images/aktualno/centarprojekt_01x.jpg

http://www.opik.hr/include/images/aktualno/centarprojekt_02x.jpg

http://www.opik.hr/include/images/aktualno/centarprojekt_03x.jpg

http://www.opik.hr/include/images/aktualno/centarprojekt_05x.jpg

http://www.opik.hr/include/images/aktualno/centarprojekt_04x.jpg

http://www.opik.hr/include/images/aktualno/centarprojekt_06x.jpg

Work is well under way on another office complex in Zagreb. "Grand Centar" is probably one of the nicer commercial buildings being constructed in Zagreb. The design consists of a 9 level complex. Two levels form the podium while above are 2 seperate buildings sitting adjacent to each other. Both buildings curve outwards to form an open inner atrium. (Basically an oval tower split down the middle)

Grand Centar is due for completion in 2005 and will have close to 20,000sqm of office space.

I'll post pics when they become available, however click below for PDF images of the project and information (scroll thru 5 pages) from Spiller Farmer, Croatia's leading commercial property agency .....

http://www.spillerfarmer.hr/pdf/grand%20centar.pdf

Veoma lepa zgrada!

SinCity this will be interesting for you.

ZAGREB CONSTRUCTION BOOM (http://www.stimar.hr/)

http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/01%20NIK.jpg

All of the 3D projects are on this archit. site.

CENTARPROJEKT Zagreb
Business and recreation center

CHROMOS Zagreb
Business and shoping center

DIONA Zagreb
Business and shoping center


NEW ZAGREB
Business and shoping center

EUROCENTAR Zagreb
Business center


FELIX Zagreb
Business and shoping center


HRVATSKA POŠTANSKA BANKA
Bank


HOSPITALIJA Zagreb
Business center


TEHNOZAVOD MARUŠIĆ
Business building

PLANINSKA Zagreb
Business center Donje Svetice


REVIZIJA Zagreb
Business center


SPAZ
Business building


SUNCE Zagreb
Business center

Constructor for the Eurotower in Zagreb is here (http://www.opik.hr/hrv/index.asp).

SinCity this will be interesting for you.

ZAGREB CONSTRUCTION BOOM (http://www.stimar.hr/)

http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/01%20NIK.jpg

All of the 3D projects are on this archit. site.

CENTARPROJEKT Zagreb
Business and recreation center

CHROMOS Zagreb
Business and shoping center

DIONA Zagreb
Business and shoping center


NEW ZAGREB
Business and shoping center

EUROCENTAR Zagreb
Business center


FELIX Zagreb
Business and shoping center


HRVATSKA POŠTANSKA BANKA
Bank


HOSPITALIJA Zagreb
Business center


TEHNOZAVOD MARUŠIĆ
Business building

PLANINSKA Zagreb
Business center Donje Svetice


REVIZIJA Zagreb
Business center


SPAZ
Business building


SUNCE Zagreb
Business center

Constructor for the Eurotower in Zagreb is here (http://www.opik.hr/hrv/index.asp).

Thanks for the information Alberto! :) I'm keeping my eye on the EuroTower section! ;)

Here is a number of completed or under way medium to small projects in Zagreb Croatia. Just to give you all some idea of the architectural styles in use. Let me know what you guys think .......

NEW ZAGREB - Business and Shoping Center
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/dirav.jpg

SUNCE Business Center
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/sunce.jpg

SPAZ Office Building
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/spaz.jpg

FELIX Business and Shopping Center
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/felix.jpg

CENTARPROJEKT Business Complex - Radnièka c. 42
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/01%20NIK.jpg

TEHNOZAVOD MARUŠIÆ Office Building
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/marusic.jpg

PLANINSKA Business Center Donje Svetice
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/planinska.jpg

EUROCENTER Business Center
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/eurocentar1.jpg
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/eurocentar.jpg

REVIZIJA Business Center
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/revizija.jpg

DIONA Business and Shopping center
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/diona.jpg

HOSPITALIJA Business Center
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/hospitalija.jpg

HRVATSKA POŠTANSKA BANKA
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/hgb.jpg

CHROMOS Business and Recreation Center
http://www.stimar.hr/photogallery/chromos.jpg

Is it just me or has someone been caught making repetitive posts of the same projects. And BTW, what's with all these unprofessional 3D drawings? :D

Scandalous!!! :eek2:

Pictures of the soon to be complete "EuroCentre" (not EuroTower :)) nearing completion. Zagrebs new CBD is flooding with many commercial buildings like this and a few big ones in between. Formerly the area between the Sava River and the old city centre was an industrial zone .....

http://www.opik.hr/include/images/reference/euro5_x.jpg
http://www.opik.hr/include/images/reference/euro6_x.jpg
http://www.opik.hr/include/images/reference/euro2_x.jpg

Cool project. :)

Do you have any idea what they are going to do with buildings like those in the background in this picture:

http://www.opik.hr/include/images/reference/euro6_x.jpg

I know in Belgrade, when some foreign companies purchase the building or a small part of it, they are sometimes obliged to fix it up as well. Maybe the owners of the EuroCentre should fix the building up.

Buildings like those in the background have been coming down in that neighbourhood. It all depends, recently a number were flattened for EuroTower's construction, other similar ones get a "free" cosmetic makeover care of the developer so as to improve the area around their projects.

What happens to the people living in the buildings? I mean they obviously don't get thrown out on the street, but ... They probably get bought out, right?

Just asking because I'm pretty sure some of them were rather reluctant to move out of their apartments.

What happens to the people living in the buildings? I mean they obviously don't get thrown out on the street, but ... They probably get bought out, right?

Depends, some buildings are older style government owned housing. They are old and expensive to maintain, and therefore they get sold and the residents get relocated to better accomodation. Luckily these kind of buildings are far and few in Zagreb.

Just asking because I'm pretty sure some of them were rather reluctant to move out of their apartments.

Of course, but that happens anywhere. A bunch of residents are standing in the way of another Zagreb skyscraper ... "Erste Bank" but there chances are slim as you cannot stop progress .....

See can we not have normal conversations like this without provoking each other? I mean I think the forums would be a lot better if we all weren't constantly arguing. So let's try and be nice, lol. Deal???

Of course, but that happens anywhere. A bunch of residents are standing in the way of another Zagreb skyscraper ... "Erste Bank" but there chances are slim as you cannot stop progress .....

Unfortunately, this is not the case in Belgrade. I read about an 8 floor building that was supposed to be built, but the neighbours protested that it would ruin their "view", so the building was lowered to 4 or 5 floors. :( This has in fact happened on numerous ocassions.

Another nice projects. There plenty of these kinds of buildings underway in Zagreb.

Unfortunately, this is not the case in Belgrade. I read about an 8 floor building that was supposed to be built, but the neighbours protested that it would ruin their "view", so the building was lowered to 4 or 5 floors. :( This has in fact happened on numerous ocassions.

KM, why you don't disscus about Belgrade on Belgrade construction thread, and why you came on Zagreb construction thread to disscus about Belgrade?

Answer me on Belgrade construction thread.

KM, why you don't disscus about Belgrade on Belgrade construction thread, and why you came on Zagreb construction thread to disscus about Belgrade?

Answer me on Belgrade construction thread.

Why are you confusing me with El Kommandante, I'm PyRoMaNiAc. Anyways, SinCity and I were having a civilized discussion about certain problems that can arise before construction even starts, so I don't see what the problem is.

Zagreb has an abundance of new office projects. You should also post some of the residential ones if you get the chance SinCity. :)

They should have built a tall project instead of a campus style building. Still it looks good. :)

They should have built a tall project instead of a campus style building. Still it looks good. :)

I don't agree with you. For me it is better to construct few smaller buildings than one high-rise building.

Zagreb has an abundance of new office projects. You should also post some of the residential ones if you get the chance SinCity. :)

Owner of the Hoto Tower in Zagreb start with new project.

HOTO VILLE
130 villas and 6 buildings for 61 mil. Euro



http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/040707/gos-naselje-txt.jpg

One residential project from Zagreb.

Owner of the Hoto Tower in Zagreb start with new project. Vecernji list wrote about that project, and this picture is linked from there site but link for that article it seems not working anymore.



HOTO VILLE
130 villas and 6 buildings for 61 mil. Euro


Hoto Ville picture from Zagreb daily newspeaper Vecernji List
http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/040707/gos-naselje-txt.jpg

Nice pic

I think Zagreb is place where all construction is going in Balkans then Sarajevo and Belgrade on maybe 45th place

:)

This is one of the bigger residential projects underway in Zagreb, there is at the moment a number of new residential estates being built across the city.

Nice pic

I think Zagreb is place where all construction is going in Balkans then Sarajevo and Belgrade on maybe 45th place

:)

:D

This is one of the bigger residential projects underway in Zagreb, there is at the moment a number of new residential estates being built across the city.

The suburb of Spansko in Zagreb is building a huge estata and all the support infrastructure like schools and shops. This was where the Yugoslav army had its largest barracks in town.

The suburb of Spansko in Zagreb is building a huge estata and all the support infrastructure like schools and shops. This was where the Yugoslav army had its largest barracks in town.

Cool. I will like to see more residential projects from Zagreb. I think that we have just office projects here from Zagreb.

Hoto Ville is a secure & monitored site, to walk around the site at Sv. Nedelja totals about 2.5 Kms!

Works are to start today with a 15 month construction programme.

Thats some serious work.

Hot off the press .......

The Croatian government is gearing up for the planned announcement of a vast new office complex that will consolidate all govenment departments within one area which would total in size of 100,000sqm. Currently the various govenment departments are scattered over 30 locations throughout central Zagreb.

A competiton will begin shortly with the first prize of 50,000 DEM. Th location of the new complex is close to the Sava River.

Article in Croatian

DRŽAVNI PROJEKT Ujedinjenje ministarstava i ureda Vlade RH na istome mjestu
Vlada u 100.000 kvadrata između Kockice i HRT-a
Autor JASNA BABIĆ

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/041002/hrv-zgrada-txt.jpg

Prije tjedan dana Marina Matulović-Dropulić, ministrica zaštite okoliša, prostornog uređenja i javnih radova, najavila je gradnju novog sjedišta hrvatske Vlade. Budući vladin kompleks bio bi smješten uza sjeverni savski nasip i na jednom bi mjestu ujedinio sve vladine urede i ministarstva koji su u ovom trenutku rasuti na tridesetak zagrebačkih lokacija. Kako ministrica kaže, idejni projekt već postoji.
Testiranje javnosti
Prema spoznajama Večernjeg lista, stidljivom medijskom najavom Marina Matulović-Dropulić zapravo je testirala reakcije javnosti na zamisao premijera Ive Sanadera da revitalizira stari HDZ-ov projekt. Priča o novom vladinu kompleksu potječe još iz 1995., kada je Sanaderov prethodnik Nikica Valentić raspisao natječaj za taj urbanističko-arhitektonski pothvat.

Vladin kompleks bio je zamišljen kao prostor od gotovo 100.000 kvadrata. Sama vlada stolovala bi u 7500 četvornih metara, dok bi se ostatak raspodijelio na prateće službe pojedinih resora, konferencijske dvorane, garaže, dvoranu za svečani prijam gostiju, tiskaru, arhiv itd. Kako je Valentić naručio, vladino sjedište valjalo je instalirati između zgrade HRT-a i nekadašnjeg sjedišta Centralnog komiteta SKH, popularno nazvanog "Kockica".

Natječaj i zaborav
Za najbolje idejno rješenje ponuđena je nagrada od 50.000 DEM. Prema tadašnjim kalkulacijama, bila je to ukupna proračunska investicija od pola milijarde DEM. Iako je natječaj završio izborom dvojice arhitekata pobjednika, projekt je uskoro zaboravljen. Politički znalci tvrde da su razlozi bili djelomično financijske, a djelomično simboličke prirode.

Uz nestašicu novca, monumentalnost vladina zdanja nije smjela zasjeniti Predsjedničke dvore na Pantovčaku. Valentićev nezavršeni i revitalizirani pothvat danas je donekle promijenjen.

U novoj varijanti budućeg vladina kompleksa neka ministarstva, poput MORH-a i MUP-a, ostaju na sadašnjim adresama. Ni premijer se ne bi odselio iz Banskih dvora. A državni trošak bi se, navodno, osjetno skresao rasprodajom postojećih vladinih zgrada i ureda.

Hot off the press .......

The Croatian government is gearing up for the planned announcement of a vast new office complex that will consolidate all govenment departments within one area which would total in size of 100,000sqm. Currently the various govenment departments are scattered over 30 locations throughout central Zagreb.

A competiton will begin shortly with the first prize of 50,000 DEM. The location of the new complex is close to the Sava River.

Article in Croatian

DRŽAVNI PROJEKT Ujedinjenje ministarstava i ureda Vlade RH na istome mjestu
Vlada u 100.000 kvadrata između Kockice i HRT-a
Autor JASNA BABIĆ

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/041002/hrv-zgrada-txt.jpg
(Picture is an artist impression)

Prije tjedan dana Marina Matulović-Dropulić, ministrica zaštite okoliša, prostornog uređenja i javnih radova, najavila je gradnju novog sjedišta hrvatske Vlade. Budući vladin kompleks bio bi smješten uza sjeverni savski nasip i na jednom bi mjestu ujedinio sve vladine urede i ministarstva koji su u ovom trenutku rasuti na tridesetak zagrebačkih lokacija. Kako ministrica kaže, idejni projekt već postoji.
Testiranje javnosti
Prema spoznajama Večernjeg lista, stidljivom medijskom najavom Marina Matulović-Dropulić zapravo je testirala reakcije javnosti na zamisao premijera Ive Sanadera da revitalizira stari HDZ-ov projekt. Priča o novom vladinu kompleksu potječe još iz 1995., kada je Sanaderov prethodnik Nikica Valentić raspisao natječaj za taj urbanističko-arhitektonski pothvat.

Vladin kompleks bio je zamišljen kao prostor od gotovo 100.000 kvadrata. Sama vlada stolovala bi u 7500 četvornih metara, dok bi se ostatak raspodijelio na prateće službe pojedinih resora, konferencijske dvorane, garaže, dvoranu za svečani prijam gostiju, tiskaru, arhiv itd. Kako je Valentić naručio, vladino sjedište valjalo je instalirati između zgrade HRT-a i nekadašnjeg sjedišta Centralnog komiteta SKH, popularno nazvanog "Kockica".

Natječaj i zaborav
Za najbolje idejno rješenje ponuđena je nagrada od 50.000 DEM. Prema tadašnjim kalkulacijama, bila je to ukupna proračunska investicija od pola milijarde DEM. Iako je natječaj završio izborom dvojice arhitekata pobjednika, projekt je uskoro zaboravljen. Politički znalci tvrde da su razlozi bili djelomično financijske, a djelomično simboličke prirode.

Uz nestašicu novca, monumentalnost vladina zdanja nije smjela zasjeniti Predsjedničke dvore na Pantovčaku. Valentićev nezavršeni i revitalizirani pothvat danas je donekle promijenjen.

U novoj varijanti budućeg vladina kompleksa neka ministarstva, poput MORH-a i MUP-a, ostaju na sadašnjim adresama. Ni premijer se ne bi odselio iz Banskih dvora. A državni trošak bi se, navodno, osjetno skresao rasprodajom postojećih vladinih zgrada i ureda.

Whats debt now?:)

Whats debt now?:)

Bokiii ..... dont you have a hole that you could crawl into????

I just asked you nicely you colud gave me normal answer too:)

More 3D's, you shouldn't really contradict yourself Sincity.:D

More 3D's, you shouldn't really contradict yourself Sincity.:D

It isn't even 3D, perhaps you should learn to read, underneath I said "artists impression" :D

Anyway Filip theres no need to get jealous and petty, this Zagreb we are talking about where pretty much everything gets built. It isn't "Belgrade 3D World" where not even 5% gets built from proposal. :D

Remember when you said "First get construction pics then post a thread about it" well try to learn from your own advice.;)

Remember when you said "First get construction pics then post a thread about it" well try to learn from your own advice.;)

That was my advice to Serb threads because everything about Belgrade was fake :)

bokiii i filipvlasak,
je li vi mozete razumjeti hrvatski? the project is at its initiation & conception phase and is open to competition so how can you have a 3D now.

sincity,
this artistis impression is very orthognal - dcm would like it.
it reminds me of a factory with the firestairs looking like chimney's.

do you think it would go out to an international competition.

bokiii i filipvlasak,
je li vi mozete razumjeti hrvatski? the project is at its initiation & conception phase and is open to competition so how can you have a 3D now.

sincity,
this artistis impression is very orthognal - dcm would like it.
it reminds me of a factory with the firestairs looking like chimney's.

do you think it would go out to an international competition.

Hello Vele,

Considering the size and prominence of the project I would say it should go out for international tender. When you mention DCM, are you talking about the Sydney DCM architects?

Regards

SinCity

Do you understand zngbnhmjfdf language? :D
Joke aside its not that i don't believe you i was just kidding with my friend Sini little bit.Afterall its not building with 100 floors so it woludn't be hard to build it or finance it.

Considering that a Serb, Vuk Karadjic, translated the entire Sveto Pismo (Bible) for Croatians, asking if a Serb understands "Croatian language" is kind of silly:)

km,
noted, i will file that under "U" for useless information.

sincity,
greetings!
there is no other DCM that i know of other than Denton Corker Marshall :)
DCM Melbourne, Sydney, London, Hong Kong, Jakarta, Warsaw itd. itd...
I think DCM in sydney cease to exist now they work out of melbourne, the guys that were running the show in sydney work under a different name, ptw i think, i think they had a falling out John Denton, Bill Corker & Barrie Marshall, ptw have some decent commissions in sydney on the back of dcm.

it would be nice to see if dcm could win it in zagreb.

km,
noted, i will file that under "U" for useless information.

sincity,
greetings!
there is no other DCM that i know of other than Denton Corker Marshall :)
DCM Melbourne, Sydney, London, Hong Kong, Jakarta, Warsaw itd. itd...
I think DCM in sydney cease to exist now they work out of melbourne, the guys that were running the show in sydney work under a different name, ptw i think, i think they had a falling out John Denton, Bill Corker & Barrie Marshall, ptw have some decent commissions in sydney on the back of dcm.

it would be nice to see if dcm could win it in zagreb.

Cool, I remember vaguely now the DCM story and yes I agree with you they would go down very well in Zagreb so hopefully they place an international tender and DCM make a submission. :)

I've been a DCM fan for years, especially with a number of their recent Sydney towers.

Anyway, welcome to the forum Vele! :)

Looks like work is starting on this beauty. :)

better send john denton an email :laugh:

better send john denton an email :laugh:

I'll see if I can dig up more on this one, apparently the story was let loose a couple of weeks ago ...... :)

yes, its good to see, i spoke to the guys from porr last month and they have finally anchored some tenants plus the rigourous planning ordinances that the building went through to get it off the ground, it has been something like 3 years. (plus high profile projects attract unwanted people that are in it for themselves)

the planning of the typical floors could have been better engineered/designed, plus curved shaped buildings are so hard to use by a tenant there is a lot of wasted space when considering rentals.

porr are looking at investing a lot of money into croatia.

there strategy next is industrial, zagreb has little modern warehousing on the market, on this bases they are looking at developing key croatian ports,
rijeka, zadar, split & ploce.

yes, its good to see, i spoke to the guys from porr last month and they have finally anchored some tenants plus the rigourous planning ordinances that the building went through to get it off the ground, it has been something like 3 years. (plus high profile projects attract unwanted people that are in it for themselves)

the planning of the typical floors could have been better engineered/designed, plus curved shaped buildings are so hard to use by a tenant there is a lot of wasted space when considering rentals.

porr are looking at investing a lot of money into croatia.

there strategy next is industrial, zagreb has little modern warehousing on the market, on this bases they are looking at developing key croatian ports,
rijeka, zadar, split & ploce.

Yes indeed, curved facades lead to a lot of wasted floorspace which prevents the installation of many more workstations. Theres no point paying for extra sqms if you cannot make usage of such space. Still it allows for an interesting looking building on the exterior.

You seem to be a wealth of information Vele. Thanks for your input! Muchly appreciated! :)

SinCity

Cheers Sincity, you also have a lot to share. :)

Cheers Sincity, you also have a lot to share. :)

Thanks Vele! :)

Looks like we have some notes to compare!