New residential supertall called One57 for Manhattan, overlooking Central Park.

Renderings:
http://static7.businessinsider.com/image/4ee63c2f6bb3f7486a000021/one57-extell.jpg
Source: http://static7.businessinsider.com/image/4ee63c2f6bb3f7486a000021/one57-extell.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/fdu07s.jpg

http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2011/12/28/210450.jpg

http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2011/12/28/210451.jpg

http://www.nycopenhouse.com/.a/6a00e54ece15738833015436d37064970c-800wi


Older visualizations of Carnegie57:
http://i56.tinypic.com/11awmr6.jpg
Source: http://www.luxist.com/2010/05/26/carnegie-57-real-estate-hopes-set-to-soar-in-nyc/

http://i54.tinypic.com/211a15g.jpg
Source: http://archpaper.com/news/articles.asp?id=4650

Sketchup model:
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5027/carnegieview1.jpg
Source: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=161764&page=27


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great news posted by NYguy on SSP, a new possible supertall for New York:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12022008/business/luxury_hotel_to_rise_on_57th_st__141770.htm

LUXURY HOTEL TO RISE ON 57TH ST.

http://www.nypost.com/img/cols/stevecuozzo.jpg

December 2, 2008

"Carnegie 57"

A 1,000 foot-tall hotel and condo tower is coming to Extell's West 57th Street development site that's now a giant hole in the ground.

That's according to the company hired to provide "physical and electronic security" for Gary Barnett's project. Aren't security firms supposed to keep secrets secure?

Louisville, Ky.-based Aegis Security Design claims the tower diagonally across from Carnegie Hall will house a "5-star" Park Hyatt Hotel, stores and luxury condos.

Extell hired Aegis to provide security-related services for the project that will run from 151-161 W. 57th St., on a site that extends all the way through to 58th Street.

Extell spokesman George Arzt said yesterday: "No details have been finalized or resolved. Aegis is only a consultant on the project."

But Aegis says it's "contracted with Extell to provide risk assessment, security programming, system design and construction administration services" on 57th Street.

Its Web site says Extell's tower will be LEED-certified and rise to as many as 80 stories. The hotel, stores and a garage will take up 356,467 square feet of a total 882,141 square feet, with condos above the hotel.

The hotel will boast a "spa, pool area, ballroom and meeting rooms," and "the lobby may contain an atrium."

Ever since Barnett started gobbling up land on West 57th and 58th streets between Sixth and Seventh avenues a few years ago, what he'll build has transfixed Midtown-watchers.

The vast site - directly across from Metropolitan Tower and the Russian Tea Room - has been a crater since old buildings were demolished. Last winter, Barnett told us he'd probably do a "5-star" hotel of some sort rising up to 50 stories.

Extell later fell silent. But now, Aegis appears to have let the cat out of the crater.

Sources said Extell is conferring with city agencies - possibly for zoning variances related to air rights purchases, and for landmarks-related approvals. The site is next door to two designated landmarks: the former CAMI Hall at 163-165 W. 57th St. and Alwyn Court on West 58th.

We don't usually reveal how we get our scoops, but this one started with our item last week reporting that Extell had filed with the Buildings De partment to study surrounding foun dations in prep aration for a new building.

Curbed.com picked up the item and ran it with an aerial photo of the pit, which drew an anonymous comment stating that the project would include a Park Hyatt. It didn't take Watergate-style sleuthing to check it out. Aegis officials did not return our calls.

Site refresher:

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/78827585/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/78827577/original.jpg


Demolition from last year:

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/80736665/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/80736682/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84197880/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/84197876/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/88058979/large.jpg

view from above:

http://curbed.com/uploads/2008_11_extell57.jpg

unfortunately no renders yet.

Excellent location for such a tower of respectable height.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/Cool.gif

They'll have a hell of a view of Central Park.

What previous buildings has the architect designed?

Nice another supertall N.Y!



This city is bluddy amazing! :nuts: :nuts: :nuts:

That s a great news!
Am so curious to see the renders!

those apartments right next to the construction site must be sooooo cheap.

It's a shame the brownstones are gone :(
I hope the new tower has a distinct design.

no official renders released yet???

Good development. Hopefully the crisis will not hurt this one. I'm looking forward to the design. :)

no official renders released yet???

no, and we probably have to wait a few months until we'll see some

Lets see what there going do with the land before we make plans.

posted by NYguy on ssp:

http://www.observer.com/2009/real-estate/extell-files-plans-mammoth-midtown-tower

Extell Files Plans for Mammoth Midtown Tower

By Dana Rubinstein
March 2, 2009

Extell's Gary Barnett sure is keeping himself busy.

Last week, he disseminated nothing less than a manifesto to rescue the economy, and today, he filed plans with the Buildings Department for an 830,000-square-foot, Costas Kondylis-designed tower for the empty crater at 157 West 57th Street.

George Arzt, Extell's spokesman, said the tower would contain a hotel and a residential complex. If Extell's timing is right, the building might top off just as the economy begins its recovery, at some unknown and, frankly, unfathomable point in the future.

The New York Post's Steve Cuozzo first got wind of the hotel portion of the plans in December, by way, oddly enough, of a Web site belonging to Aegis Security Design, which, Mr. Cuozzo reported, "claims the tower diagonally across from Carnegie Hall will house a '5-star' Park Hyatt Hotel, stores and luxury condos."

The source for that story was an odd one because, as Mr. Cuozzo pointed out, "Aren't security firms supposed to keep secrets secure?"

Apparently, Extell agreed. Mr. Arzt tells us Aegis had signed a confidentiality agreement with the developer, and has since been axed.

so... they are going to build something in that place, right???

the chances seem to be good, lets hope the best :)

cross those fingers I'll wait for the render before I get myself to happy

March 4, 2009 12:04pm
Extell Files Plans for Midtown Hotel/Condo
By Paul Bubny
GlobeSt.com


NEW YORK CITY-Amid news of projects from other developers that are being postponed or curtailed altogether, Extell Development Co. has filed plans with the city for an upcoming residential-hotel complex. Reportedly totaling 830,000 square feet, the complex will rise on a 110,891-square-foot vacant lot diagonally across from Carnegie Hall at 157 W. 57th St.
According to Department of Buildings records, plans were filed on Monday and the application was assigned to an examiner on Tuesday. A spokesman for Extell did not provide GlobeSt.com with further details by deadline on the project’s estimated costs or completion date.

Extell’s application calls for a 73-story tower 953 feet tall. It will include 150 residential units, according to DOB records. In December, the New York Post reported that the hotel component would be a Hyatt; this could not be confirmed by Tuesday’s GlobeSt.com deadline.

Not a supertall now theres anger in my blood maybe the height has change.

This will be at least 1,000 feet tall. DOB figures exclude mechanicals at the top of the building.

Good I was about to hulk up but it seems I don't have to.

I hope to see a great design according to this great city ! Thx for the pics...

Cityrealty.com
11 June 2009

Plumbing plans filed by Extell for 953-foot-tall, mixed-use tower at 155 West 57th Street

Extell Development's plumbing plans for a 953-foot-high, mixed-use tower at 155 East 57th Street were assigned today to an Department of Buildings examiner.

The 73-story tower would have 150 condominium apartments and a hotel. It would contain a total of 1,626,940 square feet of which 676,688 square feet would be residential.

According to plans filed by Costas Kondylis & Associates, the architectural firm, in March, the building would have accessory parking for 64 cars and the hotel would occupy the lower 20 floors.

The 21st floor would house a residential dining room, library and lounge and floors 22 through 30 would have 6 apartments per floor, floors 31 through 45 would have 4 apartments per floor, the 46th floor would be mechanical equipment, floors 47 through 58 would have two apartments per floor, floors 59 and 60 would constitute one duplex apartment, floors 61 through 70 would have one apartment per floor, and floors 71 and 72 would constitute one duplex apartment.

Excavation of the site has been proceeding recently. The site is across 57th Street from the Russian Tea Room restaurant and the Metropolitan Tower. The new tower, on which Frank Williams, the architect, has also worked, would be taller than the area's three tallest skyscrapers: Carnegie Hill Tower and the Metropolitan Tower on 57th Street, and CitiSpire on 56th Street. The new tower would block some views of Central Park from the Metropolitan Tower, which has an angled facade.

Extell owns another development site nearby to the west, the former Hard Rock restaurant location on 57th Street.

In a December 2, 2008 article in The New York Post, Steve Cuozzo wrote that the site extends through the block to 58th Street and is adjacent to two landmarks, the former CAMI Hall at 163-5 West 57thStreet and Alwyn Court on West 58th Street.

PS: The DOB figures are always about 30 m shorter than the tower actually is as they don't include mechanicals or crowns -- just the highest occupied floor.

are there any renders?

Not yet.

The developer, Extell, stated that they will be released in 2009. This project should be moved to u/c.

are there any renders?

^^ are you retarted? You asked the quetion once, it was answered and you ask the question again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What's going on?

^^ are you retarted? You asked the quetion once, it was answered and you ask the question again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What's going on?

srry it didn't immediately post it, so i thought it didnt go through :bash:

are there any renders?




















Nah, Im only kidding. Can't wait to see it, though. I can only imagine what the 59/60 and 71/72 duplexes will cost.

Why was this moved to skyscrapers from supertall. It is planned to be 300+ m?

Also, why is it still proposed since it's under construction?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12022008...st__141770.htm

LUXURY HOTEL TO RISE ON 57TH ST.

December 2, 2008

A 1,000 foot-tall hotel and condo tower is coming to Extell's West 57th Street development site that's now a giant hole in the ground.

That's according to the company hired to provide "physical and electronic security" for Gary Barnett's project. Aren't security firms supposed to keep secrets secure?

in the last article it says 953 feet, probably because of that. but it will be taller than 953 feet....because they only counted the highest usable floor and not technicals or crowns etc...

Yes. But it's on file with the NY Dep't of Buildings as 953 feet which means that it will clearly be over 1,000 feet as the DOB does not count mechanicals or anything else above the highest occupied floor (e.g., crowns). Every building in NYC has mechanicals above the highest occupied floor. Therefore, why move it to skyscrapers rather than supertall?

Also, my contacts in NY state that there is an army of workers at this site from 9 to 5 daily. Therefore, why not move it to u/c?

It could alway be moved back to supertalls, I guess we will have to wait until the renders are released. :)

It was ridiculous to move it though since it clearly will be over 300m. If it were on file for 850 feet, it could or could not surpass 1,000 feet. However, that it's on file for 953 feet means that, without a doubt, it wil exceed 1,000 feet.

just chill! or cant you guys sleep when a tower is in the wrong section for some days? what a nightmare...

are there any renders? :-P damn i wanna see them!

I don't know why this 1,000+ foot building was moved from super tall to highrise, but I also don't know why it's still listed as proposed when it's clearly under construction as shown in this photo by Derek323 from the 23rd of June 2009.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3361/3657000860_5f6e7d3e48_o.jpg

Looks like demolition to me. It would be very quick construction knowing that the Department of Buildings examiner has received this project 2 weeks ago.

11 June 2009

Plumbing plans filed by Extell for 953-foot-tall, mixed-use tower at 155 West 57th Street

Extell Development's plumbing plans for a 953-foot-high, mixed-use tower at 155 East 57th Street were assigned today to an Department of Buildings examiner.

The buildings on this site were demolished over a year ago. After demolition was completed, the site sat fallow for about 10 months. Work resumed about two months ago.

The fact that the developer submitted plumbing plans two weeks ago is further evidence of construction.

yes and i cant wait for renders :D

Who is funding this project?

With this skyscraper, the three-skyscraper cluster south of Central Park is going to have a new member.

9 July 09

This building is under construction, and it's a supertall. According to my mates in NY, there is activity at the site all day 5 days per week. Also, since it's listed at 950+ with the Dep't of Buildings, there is no possibility that it will not exceed 1,000 feet.

KZP1000
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3038/1060119.jpg

why cant someone just go there and ASK the workers what the heck theyre building!? surely there must be SOME kind of renders of this project!

do i have to go and do it myself??

im sure some of the workers have some kind of renders available. someone go and take some pics of them. i need to know if i should hate or love this project. it sure is noisy, though.

The developer, Extell, simply declared that they will be released in 2009. Extell also is clearing the site for another project of about 280m one block west on 57th Street.

You're right. I saw that thread in WNY too. This thread needs to be changed to u/c and moved to the supertall section. Too bad we've no renderings for an u/c tower.

im not sure about the location, will block the view of the carnegie hall tower from central park. this is also a very tall few blocks, i think it would be better on the west side where it could really stand out, but i dont care another massive scraper for midtown! yay! cant wait for the renders.

At 300+ meters, it will stand out from the East and Hudson Rivers, and it will be prominent when viewed from the park.

I'm on holiday in NY and went by this site today. As reported to me months ago by my mates in NY, there is a crew of people and machines working there daily.

This should be moved to under construction, and it should be moved to supertall. Anyone who knows anything about the NY Buildings Department knows that buildings always are at least 30m taller than the figure listed on the DOB website. As reported in the NY Post article, this will be over 300m.

Is this the building? http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=693524 It says height (architectural) is 290.50 m with 73 floors, matching the articles in this thread.

I'm not sure at all what the heck it is, but if it is the building, it does have a structural extension and since people are saying the roof height is over 950ft, it would count as a supertall.

http://www.archfwa.com/files/project_images/Intell01.jpg
http://www.archfwa.com/files/project_images/Intell03.jpg

Is it called the Intell Tower?

That's an old design. Here's the article to which I referred:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12022008...st__141770.htm

LUXURY HOTEL TO RISE ON 57TH ST.



December 2, 2008


A 1,000 foot-tall hotel and condo tower is coming to Extell's West 57th Street development site that's now a giant hole in the ground.

Which firm designed the current design? Costas Kondylis & Associates?

My mate is in the building industry. He said that Kondylis was just the architect of record but that he will be replaced bySLCE. However, he informed me that Christian de Portzamparc designed the new one.

I don't see any info on their sites about this building, though it seems Christian de Portzamparc is working on "Riverside Center" towers for Extell.

The project is on de Portzamparc's website.

From Le Figaro 24 Sept. 2009.

The UFO glass Portzamparc Beatrice Rochebouet 24/09/2009 The planner many projects, from Casablanca to New York. He has just inaugurated the headquarters of Bouygues Immobilier, in Issy-les-Moulineaux. Tomorrow, he flew to Casablanca, her hometown, where he won in late June, the competition for the new theater, CasArt, a nesting of buildings of different heights on an austere land of 24 000 m2 surrounded by institutions Place Mohammed-V. Yesterday, it was inaugurated in Issy-les-Moulineaux, the new headquarters Bouy * gues Estate, Galeo a building HQE (High Environmental Quality) covered with a second skin made of 700 tortoiseshell veneers that create silkscreen glass a particular luminosity. And in a few days it will unveil its new tower of 330 meters in Manhattan across from Carnegie Hall on 57th Avenue. A record high for a tower housing a form as incredible as that built for LVMH in 1995 ........\\

http://www.lefigaro.fr/culture/2009/09/24/03004-20090924ARTFIG00462-l-ovni-en-verre-de-portzamparc-.php


Wow, that's good news!

Great place for a tower of this height. Looking forward to seeing the design.

PS: This building is under construction and is a super tall and therefore, this thread should be moved.

that's very cool, didn't know of this tower before and now it's u/c already! i'm waiting for some construction pics. :)

I would love to see some updated photos of the construction site.

There is a large crew on site all day and every day.

It's beyond me why this is not listed as under construction and as a supertall.


then maybe someone should contact a mod (you! :)) to move this thread to the supertalls section + u/c !

I don't even know who the mods are.

heres one: the creator of this thread... go 2 post #1 lol

There is a large crew on site all day and every day.

It's beyond me why this is not listed as under construction and as a supertall.

Lofter
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/Midtown/157W57_090518__1.jpgPossibly it's on the proposed stage when the thread was created.

and yeah: if this thread goes to the supertalls section, the title should also be changed to
NEW YORK | 157 W. 57th St | 330m | 1083ft | 80 fl | U/C

Based upon that description, I expect 330m of something like this.

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/3659/t1portzamparcra3.png

I'd love that tower if it's going to be like this. :drool:

NYC is just amazing.

Can anyone tell me where it's going to be?, close to what place?

In New York, after the New York City Opera proposal (2004- canceled or stopped or interrupted in 2006), three large private tower projects are soon to see the light of day…

Therefore, three 300+m buildings will rise in this small area.



omg, this is amazing news! first i didn't know about this tower, now another two will rise! this means three supertalls alone in this area. and counting wpc, gira sole, tower verre etc. new york city is eventually making progress (in terms of building supertalls)! hopefully it won't take too long. :)

In addition to these, two more very tall towers will rise on East 57th Street:

1. The Drake hotel on 57th and Park was razed but the project stalled due to the economy. A tower of about 300m will rise there.

2. A beautiful tower of about 250m will rise at 250 E 57th St. (www.250e57.com).

Therefore, five new very tall towers will peer over the Central Park skyline in a few years. (The one at the Drake site will appear just to the west of Citicorp and 250 E 57th will appear just west of Citicorp.)

both to the west? this will creat a new massive canyon there! and yeah that one at 250 E 57th St. is really a beauty, the render looks promising.

btw: did you contact a mod? and if, what did he say? it's still too early to move this thread?

I did not contact a mod. Can you?

i just did, let's wait for his answer...

MOVED

MOVED

thank you. :)

what a design. wow
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/3659/t1portzamparcra3.png

This is design which I want to see built...Futuristic...:) Like it...

what a design. wow
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/3659/t1portzamparcra3.png
It is the model of proposed Signal tower in paris.

updates from SSP:
While we wait on a rendering, some other Extell related news on a development just down the street...
http://www.observer.com/2009/real-estate/plot-twist?page=0

Plot Twist

http://www.observer.com/files/full/225%20west%2057th%20street%20property%20shark.jpg

By Eliot Brown
October 6, 2009


There’s a rule of thumb that applies to the city’s Landmarks Preservation Commission: The agency shouldn’t try to designate a building a landmark against its owner’s will unless the commission’s ready for a loud public skirmish. And, generally in the Bloomberg administration, the commission has steered clear of such battles, making for relatively few such messy designation attempts.

So in July, it came as something of a surprise when the LPC took the confrontational action of starting the designation process—an act known as “calendaring”—on a pair of connected buildings at Broadway and West 57th Street owned by Extell Development, one of the city’s most active developers.

Indeed, the move has provoked a major fight, as Extell scrambles to ward off the LPC’s designation drive. In recent weeks, the firm has been successfully urging unions, trade groups and, most notably, key members of the City Council to demonstrate push-back against the commission. Already, an LPC vote that had been expected this week has been delayed, with no new vote yet scheduled.

At the same time, preservationists, who have often been critical of the LPC for too frequently deferring to the desires of developers, support the designation—though the buildings had not been among their top priorities.

Both of the Howard Van Doren Shaw–designed buildings, 225 West 57th Street and 1780 Broadway, were built by the B. F. Goodrich Company in 1909 and were part of “Automobile Row,” a concentration of car dealerships, many of which are already landmarked. Extell’s argument is that it was blindsided by the designation effort, and landmarking both properties would ruin its prime development site, precluding the company from building a $1 billion–plus commercial tower. (According to property records, it already has a $256 million mortgage out on the site.)

Accordingly, the firm, which is led by Gary Barnett, has mobilized. Using its own preservation consultant, Extell submitted a compromise plan—landmark only 1780 Broadway, the old B. F. Goodrich headquarters—arguing that the history of the 12-story, brick 225 West 57th Street does not merit landmark status and that its demolition should be permitted.

Extell has leaned on key unions, including the New York Hotel and Motel Trades Council and the Building and Construction Trades Council, both of which have pull with the Bloomberg administration and on the Council, urging them to lobby against the landmarking and for the tower. The unions have each submitted testimony to the LPC in support of the compromise plan, as did the local chapter of the American Institute of Architects. The powerful Real Estate Board of New York opposes landmark designation for either building.

.........If the full LPC is to accede to Extell’s wishes, it would open itself to the charge that it backed down in the face of pressure from a powerful developer, and if it designates the building, it risks alienating Extell and its allies.

Further, if LPC were to go ahead with the designation of both properties, it would punt to the council the final decision making—and any accompanying political fallout—as that body has the power to veto a landmark designation (though that, too, is very rare).


Couldn't resist this pic, and the thought of the potential 900 or 1,000 footer that will dramatically rise here, in the very center of this photo...

proforged (http://www.flickr.com/photos/proforged/3987133931/sizes/l/).

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2633/3987133931_8dc632f651_b.jpg

Wait, this thing is U/C?

I think that's just site prep, I'm not sure construction has officially started yet.

I really want to see the design of this thing however, they haven't really shown it yet. This is one of the rare cases where demolition has started before the tower has been revealed.

They haven't done piling yet. And from the look of that picture above, it's clear they haven't even reached the bottom. With no render released to the public, the city probably hasn't even signed off on the development.

This tower belongs in the Proposal section.

Yes, this is still prep for the moment.

I think the title is changed from "Prep" to "UC" once pilling starts.
Correct me if I'm wrong...

lol, it's in the proposed section again! but yeah, as i understand it, a tower is surely u/c when pilling starts. ^^

they begin to constract??? :)

lol, it's in the proposed section again! but yeah, as i understand it, a tower is surely u/c when pilling starts. ^^

Makes sense to me. ;) But there probably nothing to stop this tower anymore? :cheers:

I want to see a rendering! Hopefully it will have a restaurant on top open to the general public.

The Shard was listed as under construction at this stage as is the Shanghai Tower. Why the double standard?



Because more people are interested in those towers than this one and the mods caved into demands. Also it's claimed that Shanghai Tower is using a different type of construction. Supposedly the piles were driven deep into the ground unseen because of the swampland that it's being built over. All I ever saw were the slurry wall panels driven into the ground.

I don't like the double standard either... but this one is not U/C yet.

^^
Well we just need to make sure their actually doing construction work, I mean it's hard to tell from the photo. And we don’t have a design yet either.

The fact that the developer hasn't released it yet is irrelevant. de Portzamparc said that it will be released soon. This is a double standard.

On this site, which is one block west on 57th Street, the same developer also build another 300+ m tower designed by de Portzamparc. They are preparing for demolition.

I understand you, I've complained of similar things in the past. Like someone putting a list of all the Chinese Supertalls on proposal in the construction section. Didn’t get anywhere. Some people just don't get it!

You said in one of your prior posts today that it does not belong in u/c because it's in site prep. I was in NY last week, and if this is not construction, I don't know what is.

Well we just need confirmation. And we don't know what height it is yet, so that's a problem. One possibly height is 1083 feet, but another is 900 something. There’s no design yet.

The reason this one is still in 'Prep' is because they haven't started pilling yet. It's not a double standard and as soon as pilling begins this will be changed to UC. :)

Is this proposal for preservation of those buildings likely to go through, or no?

^^
So one is staying, one is going? Looks like we took home the gold here. :)

nice map, great projects. i think this one will come out well, but i'm not sure about the other one.

^^ i know that. but this one seems more 'secure' to come along than the other one, for the moment. and preparation is almost done here, actually it will be u/c soon. tell me, is the russian jew also involved in this project? didn't read anything about him here, but it's possible i missed something.

Two new towers somewhere around 1,000 feet in the same area. Quite impressive, hopefully they both go through.

Good to see it's UC, but shouldn't this thread be moved to the UC section? :)

I will move it, construction does seem quite advanced.

There's only one thing though. On skyscraperpage they have this listed as 953 feet high.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=161764&page=8

How come they have a different height?

is there not a render of this building?

Are they allowed to do that? I thought people had to be consulted on projects this big?

Doesn't that seem a bit... I'm not quite sure which word to use.. Communist? Totalitarian?

That's the absurdity of development in NY. You can do what you want if it does not involve a landmark and if you're building as of right.

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't surprised. It's like the opposite of London, where people (who are usually poorly educated about architecture and biased) get too much say. Though I know NYC has had that problem too on more than one occasion, I believe Tour de Verre is an example of that?

Doesn't that seem a bit... I'm not quite sure which word to use.. Communist? Totalitarian?

Absolutely the opposite. A private company can build and entire skyscraper without any public involvement as long as it owns it completely. Pure capitalism, and as everything, it has it's positive and negative effects.

Absolutely the opposite. A private company can build and entire skyscraper without any public involvement as long as it owns it completely. Pure capitalism, and as everything, it has it's positive and negative effects.

So capitalism is being able to build whatever you want without caring about the public, as long as you bung the local authority enough of a bribe? That doesn't seem fair. There should be a middle ground.

So capitalism is being able to build whatever you want without caring about the public, as long as you bung the local authority enough of a bribe? That doesn't seem fair. There should be a middle ground.

Bit of a broad statement. Of course there are some regulations that the developer must follow in order to ensure there is no public review. However the public review in this city is quite extensive and if every building in this city were exposed to such a process, very few or any would get built in the form they are now. In other words NY would have many more shorter uglier buildings becuase of the proactive NIMBYS (which some have attributed from the movement of ex-suburbanites back to the city or others trying to protect their high end apartments from losing appeal because there are newer better apartments in the direct area).

Bit of a broad statement. Of course there are some regulations that the developer must follow in order to ensure there is no public review. However the public review in this city is quite extensive and if every building in this city were exposed to such a process, very few or any would get built in the form they are now. In other words NY would have many more shorter uglier buildings becuase of the proactive NIMBYS (which some have attributed from the movement of ex-suburbanites back to the city or others trying to protect their high end apartments from losing appeal because there are newer better apartments in the direct area).

I'm not saying it doesn't have it's upsides, I'm just surprised, is all. I didn't think they would be allowed to build supertalls in America without releasing the designs first. Quite a shock.

So capitalism is being able to build whatever you want without caring about the public, as long as you bung the local authority enough of a bribe?

to add to what ramvid01 already said:

Nobody talked of "bribe". The company bought the air rights necessary to cover the entire construction, nothing illegal was done, let alone "bribing" anyone.

As long as the company follows certain policies (zoning laws, air rights, and other aspects of the construction process) the company is the one that is investing it's own money into the construction, not the residents in the apartment block on the other side of the street. There is no reason whatsoever that there should be any involvement by parties that have no economic involvement in the project, as long as the company follows the policies that the city has, that are there to ensure that necessary precautions are taken to protect the basic interests of the present-day residents (that is, the company wouldn't be allowed to build a power plant or a research lab that may create a health risk to the area, for example).

I saw far more "bribe" going on and the payment of a "pizzo" or paying off a political figure in a country like Italy (in Europe, in case someone had a doubt) as long as the company built something aesthetically "pleasing", while ignoring any security measure, health issues or ecological repercussions.

Of the 2 systems, I definitely prefer the one I've seen used in New York.

Like I said, I was just surprised to hear it. On the one hand, I hate when NIMBYs in London cut great designs down. On the other, I'm really not sure if building a supertall skyscraper in a major western city without even having to show the plans to the neighbors is right... It's a weird choice for me, I really don't know which I prefer. From a selfish standpoint I'd probably go with the New York way of doing things, but from a fair/ethical standard I'd go with the other. Extreme capitalism has parallels with extreme communism it seems, it's just the companies in the place of the Governments. Again though, I can see a lot of positives (for people like us, who like tall buildings). So I guess it's OK.

Sounds great, but I'm not holding my breath. Just because the developer says it has an amazing design doesn't mean it can't be a turd.

Still no renders?

A partial building permit was issued by New York City for the project September 24, 2009 for a 73-story, 953-foot-high project with a total of 1,493,514 square feet.


as i see, this building is going to have 73 floors, and not as believed, 80. also i read (@SSP) that 953 is the so called "perimeter wall height", this means it will exceed 1000ft! but 1080+? i'm not that sure anymore.

953 feet? Not a supertall.

953 feet? Not a supertall.

no, it's still a supertall, cause 953ft is the height measured to the heighest occupied floor, not to the roof. it's a common thing in NYC.

no, it's still a supertall, cause 953ft is the height measured to the heighest occupied floor, not to the roof. it's a common thing in NYC.

I see, well we'll see how high this puppy gets...

NYguy, SSP

kw~ny (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kowoods/3963131813/sizes/l/)
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/119529455/original.jpg

^^^ is a great photograph! hopefully we see development soon. it feels nice (as a new yorker) to see new york have more a presence in the supertall/skyscraper subforums! we need more tall buildings in this city (but none from chinatown to flatiron)

NYguy, SSP

There are about 4 lower levels (including parking)
Floor 1 .................hotel lobby, residential lobby
Floor 2 .................hotel ballroom, meeting rooms, lounge
Floor 3 .................restaurant, lounge
Floor 4 .................mechanical, (hotel space to floor 20)
Floor 20 ...............hotel spa, health club
Floor 21 ...............residential lounge, dining room, library
Floors 22-30 .......6 apts per floor
Floors 31-45 .......4 apts per floor
Floor 46 ...............mechanical
Floors 47-58 .......2 apts per floor
Floors 59-60 .........duplex
Floors 61-70 .........each floor single unit (apt)
Floors 71-72 .........duplex
Floor 73 ...............mechanical
Roof ....................elevator machine

Judging from that, it appears the tower would have a tapered (at least in effect) design, getting smaller at the top.

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/119535641/original.jpg


Another taste of Christian de Portzamparc's work...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/119535662/original.jpg__http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/119535678/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/119535683/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/119535691/original.jpg__http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/119535700/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/119535726/original.jpg


Some of his New York work...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/119535744/original.jpg__http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/119535740/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/119535749/original.jpg__http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/119535751/original.jpg

This will be a great location... along with "The 3" :cheers2:

-Carnegie Hall Tower
-CitySpire Center
-Metropolitan Tower

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c5/Metropolitan_and_Carnegie_Hall_Towers.JPG

cool

There's also the 40+ story tower by Pelli which will rise on the site of the white brick building seen in the extreme lower right corner of this photo.
Is incredible how many ugly (commie-like) buildings are "in the front row" from the park. :ohno:

Whether or not some people find the 'commie-like' buildings attractive, there are a lot of very weathly people living in them. It would be very difficult to rebuild front row central park buildings unless they were almost ready to fall by themselves.

Whether or not some people find the 'commie-like' buildings attractive, there are a lot of very weathly people living in them.
I'm sure is not the arhitecture... :lol: But the view of the park. http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/105.gif

Is incredible how many ugly (commie-like) buildings are "in the front row" from the park. :ohno:

and you will find them in every city on this planet...

plus just because they are square it doesn't mean it's a commie building. :)

I'm sure is not the arhitecture... :lol: But the view of the park. http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/105.gif

yup, it's all about the view

and you will find them in every city on this planet...

plus just because they are square it doesn't mean it's a commie building. :)
Is not about the specific arhitecture (not to mention that the "commies" where "invented" by americans not russians, even if they use them more), but about the location. Is one thing to have them on locations like Cooperative Village, and another thing to have them on the first row from Central Park...

I don's say to demolish all of them, but at least a recladding is in order... :)

Tell us about rent control. I know, sort of off topic. How does it work in NYC?

From NYguy:

New permit issued yesterday (plumbing)...
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/WorkPermitDataServlet?allisn=0002038136&allisn2=0001617322&allbin=1023720&requestid=2
PROVIDE UNDERGROUND PIPING IN CONJUNCTION TO NEW BUILDING
PERMIT ISSUED - ENTIRE JOB/WORK 12/08/2009
Proposed Job Start: 12/08/2009

NY, SSP
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/ELInspectionWorkOrderServlet?requestid=2&allcontrolnumber=Z124132

Job Start Date: 01/04/2010
Job End Date: 02/04/2010


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/120181493/original.jpg

what is this building supposed to look like?

renders of the building are still not released, unfortunately. but i'm sure it won't be long till we see a good render, i mean it's U/C after all!

thats annoying

This one is not U/C yet. That permit says january 2010. And they start preparing the construction site first.

Still no design as of yet. Atelier Christian de Portzamparc does have renders for other projects worth looking at on their website. It'll all come out in a splashy press release when they are ready to move.

This one is not U/C yet. That permit says january 2010. And they start preparing the construction site first.

correct, but i find it kind of funny how this thread moves every two weeks from U/C to PROP and vice versa lol :lol:. well, in january it will definitely be U/C!

This building should stay here, it is not under construction. It'll also probably get canceled since it's a supertall in NYC. The odds are not with it.

This building should stay here, it is not under construction. It'll also probably get canceled since it's a supertall in NYC. The odds are not with it.

no, this building will be U/C soon. how can you talk about cancelling when they already finished ground work / preparation. the worst thing that could happen is they put it on hold.

I'd say this one is under construction...the site looks to have changed quite a bit since October.

December 18th, kznyc2k, SSP:
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5673/img5516df.jpg

http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs....711179852/1005

Aabar shifts to New York for its latest acquisition

Bradley Hope
November 17. 2009

Aabar Investment, a company controlled by the Abu Dhabi Government, is helping fund the development of a 73-storey luxury apartment building and hotel in New York City.

Khadem al Qubaisi, the chairman of Aabar, confirmed the company had paid Extell Development for a majority stake in a project rising at 157 West 57th Street in Manhattan, just a block away from Central Park and next door to Essex House, a hotel owned by the Jumeirah Group of Dubai.

Mr al Qubaisi said the deal with Extell, the company of the development giant Gary Barnett, could be the start of several property projects in New York.

“We selected Gary Barnett for our first project,” Mr al Qubaisi said, adding that the company was also reviewing other potential property deals in New York. “If things go well, we will start another project.”

Mr Barnett said the 57th Street development would be “one of the greatest buildings in the last 50 years” because of its prime location and ambitious design.

Mr Barnett said the design by the French architect Christian de Portzamparc had recently been finalised. “It will be a very unusual building,” he said.

I'd say this one is under construction...the site looks to have changed quite a bit since October.

December 18th, kznyc2k, SSP:
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5673/img5516df.jpg

Now we're talking. That are definitely parts of newly constructed foundation in the pit. :)

^^ Looks like this baby's a go! And well in keeping with the many other Emirate investments in NYC. The design should be a corker! :pepper:

Damn Dubai helping my city how dear they

Damn Dubai helping my city how dear they

Aabar Investment is helping to finance this project, which is owned by the Abu Dhabi government if that makes you feel better. :)

The news article posted in WNY still lists this as 73 stories. Not sure if this will be a supertall.

Aabar Investment is helping to finance this project, which is owned by the Abu Dhabi government if that makes you feel better. :)

The news article posted in WNY still lists this as 73 stories. Not sure if this will be a supertall.
News articles tend to get heights, floors, etc...wrong all the time, so I wouldn't read to much into it. :)

No it doesn't I'm still upset. First Russia a Chinese partnership owns the ESB. Why no I'm kidding I couldn't careless just get it built.

Its definitely under construction now! :)

Time to rise .

Mr Barnett said the 57th Street development would be “one of the greatest buildings in the last 50 years” because of its prime location and ambitious design.

Mr Barnett said the design by the French architect Christian de Portzamparc had recently been finalised. “It will be a very unusual building,” he said.

that sounds promising, hopefully we will see some good stuff rising here!

Glad to hear other supertall getting built in NYC. I am sorry to bug you guys... I can't find any rendering for this tower. Can anyone please give me right rendering not the one from Paris? Thanks!

Design hasn't been made public yet.

Why doesn't the federal government help out with the funding of these buildings?

I mean re-building WTC is a national effort to show the world how America cannot be defeated. Scaling back or canceling these buildings will show that the terrorists will win.

So this is a national priority to build these buildings and the memorial.

^^You are in the wrong thread.

new information, provided by NYGuy, SSP

Latest revised permit, issued yesterday (Jan 12)
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=2&passjobnumber=110463481&passdocnumber=02

FILED HERE WITH REVISED SCHEDULE B SHOWING CORRECT FIXTURE COUNT FOR UNDERGROUND PLUMBING WORK PER APPROVED DRAWINGS.


Site passed inspection...
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/GasServiceInspectionResultsServlet?requestid=5&passworkordernumber=11000643&allbin=1023720

Why doesn't the federal government help out with the funding of these buildings?

I mean re-building WTC is a national effort to show the world how America cannot be defeated. Scaling back or canceling these buildings will show that the terrorists will win.

So this is a national priority to build these buildings and the memorial.

state ad sure government ad I don't think so. Its bad enough we have to sure it with Jersey. Let just say this, I'm not pay to build a skyscraper in your city you shouldn't have to build one in mines.

Nothing rising quite yet.

NYguy, Jan. 15th 2010
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/121111592/large.jpg

Huh? There's neither a rendering nor construction progress to "wow" at, so you leave me confused...

^^ indeed..

Its probably an impressive hole in the ground:D

can't be to impressive its been this way for a while now.

^^
There's work going on in the hole though, just because it's not above ground yet doesn’t mean things aren't going on. Check the previous pages.

Derek2k3 on WNY said apparently this tower was originally supposed to be 1,300ft, but was shortened because of the economic crisis. There is a team working on the design, but he wasn't allowed to see it.

I seen the picture on the last page and the sight looks the same way it did in 08. That not to say there nothing going on, theres just not enough to make me care that all

A forum member on WNY posted this link filed with the NY Dept of Buildings. The tower is listed as 953 feet tall and 73 floors. That certainly could change in the future. But I think this thread should be moved to the Skyscraper section.

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=2&passjobnumber=120251654&passdocnumber=01

A forum member on WNY posted this link filed with the NY Dept of Buildings. The tower is listed as 953 feet tall and 73 floors. That certainly could change in the future. But I think this thread should be moved to the Skyscraper section.

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=2&passjobnumber=120251654&passdocnumber=01

I think that's only roof height though, I don't know. Let's wait for the design to come out first.

A forum member on WNY posted this link filed with the NY Dept of Buildings. The tower is listed as 953 feet tall and 73 floors. That certainly could change in the future. But I think this thread should be moved to the Skyscraper section.

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=2&passjobnumber=120251654&passdocnumber=01

i know this height (measured to the heighest occupied floor, maybe there is a crown or something...), but as Onn said, let's wait till it's finally confirmed.

well they filed papers stating 73 floors not 80....

SSP puts it at 73 fl/953 feet. 1083 ft/80 floors was reported by a NY fanboy whose now banned. Find a report that says 1083 and 80 floors. This belongs in proposed section anyway. Rerouting utility lines isn't under construction..

well they filed papers stating 73 floors not 80....

SSP puts it at 73 fl/953 feet. 1083 ft/80 floors was reported by a NY fanboy whose now banned. Find a report that says 1083 and 80 floors. This belongs in proposed section anyway. Rerouting utility lines isn't under construction..

there were several articles which stated the 1083ft height, the architect himself was quoted, if i recall rightly. but i agree with you that for now it should be listed as 953ft, cause it's official (the link you posted says so)!

about moving the thread: lol, i think it was moved about 4 times, back and forth. i don't care anymore :nuts: ... just inform me when it's U/C for real :D ;).

EDIT: ok, i read the articles again, and the architect says it's 330m (1083ft)! so we should't change the height!


there you go...
From Le Figaro 24 Sept. 2009.

The UFO glass Portzamparc Beatrice Rochebouet 24/09/2009 The planner many projects, from Casablanca to New York. He has just inaugurated the headquarters of Bouygues Immobilier, in Issy-les-Moulineaux. Tomorrow, he flew to Casablanca, her hometown, where he won in late June, the competition for the new theater, CasArt, a nesting of buildings of different heights on an austere land of 24 000 m2 surrounded by institutions Place Mohammed-V. Yesterday, it was inaugurated in Issy-les-Moulineaux, the new headquarters Bouy * gues Estate, Galeo a building HQE (High Environmental Quality) covered with a second skin made of 700 tortoiseshell veneers that create silkscreen glass a particular luminosity. And in a few days it will unveil its new tower of 330 meters in Manhattan across from Carnegie Hall on 57th Avenue. A record high for a tower housing a form as incredible as that built for LVMH in 1995 ........\\

http://www.lefigaro.fr/culture/2009/...rtzamparc-.php

original one (french):
L'ovni en verre de
Portzamparc


Béatrice de Rochebouët
24/09/2009
L'urbaniste multiplie les projets, de Casablanca à New York. Il vient d'inaugurer le siège social de Bouygues Immobilier, à Issy-les-Moulineaux.

Demain, il s'envole pour Casablanca, sa ville natale, où il vient de remporter, fin juin, le concours pour le nouveau théâtre, CasArt, une imbrication de bâtiments de différentes hauteurs sur un terrain austère de 24 000 m2 cernée par des institutions, place Mohammed-V. Hier, il a inauguré, à Issy-les-Moulineaux, le nouveau siège social de Bouy*gues Immobilier, Galeo, un immeuble HQE (haute qualité environnementale) recouvert d'une seconde peau faite de 700 facettes en écaille de verre sérigraphié qui créent une luminosité particulière. Et dans quelques jours, il dévoilera sa nouvelle tour de 330 mètres, à Manhattan, en face du Carnegie Hall, sur la 57e Avenue. Un record de hauteur pour une tour de logement, d'une forme aussi incroyable que celle construite pour LVMH, en 1995........

^^ Thanks! Good find. I just want to make sure we have some credible and accurate information on the forum.

ok, this tower is officially U/C: CTBUH (http://buildingdb.ctbuh.org/?do=building&building_id=570). it is listed as 290m, so i guess the remaining 40m will be a crown. there are still no renders released but i'm pretty sure it can't be any longer till we see some nice renders. :)

Glad to hear it. Is it possible to get a picture of what is going on down in the hole?

Glad to hear it. Is it possible to get a picture of what is going on down in the hole?

apparently it's not that easy to take a picture, here is a recent shot by Noyoka, WNY:

http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/1786/5296e8e0739249f99870a2ffda54bbea.jpg

from the pic it seems that the core is rising...

Thanks!!!

yeah something going on down there but who can really say for sure.

It looks like foundation work to me!

looks a bit like pentominium site:)

http://curbed.com/archives/2010/03/02/the_plot_deepens_on_extells_73story_midtown_mystery.php

The Plot Deepens on Extell's 73-Story Midtown Mystery

http://cdn3.curbednetwork.com/cache/gallery/2724/4398845837_05f2edb299_o.jpg
Setting the footings below West 58th Street.


Tuesday, March 2, 2010, by Pete

Can a 73-story Manhattan skyscraper "quietly" begin construction? It's happening at 157 West 57th Street, where—despite a world-renowned architect and a cash injection from Abu Dhabi—the colossal condo/Park Hyatt hotel from developer Gary Barnett's Extell continues to confound.

As seen in sleuthy shots from the site, the foundation is nearly complete. The pit itself has been dug so deep that workers toiling away at the bottom look absolutely Lilliputian. Masses of rebar can be seen poking out this way and that. But renderings remain in hiding, reportedly in the office of French starchitect Christian de Portzamparc. (A thorough scan of the Atelier CdP website yields nothing new.) How long can the Extell gang keep this Midtown monster a mystery? Based on the hubbub surrounding fellow Frenchman Jean Nouvel's slightly taller Tower Verre, we're guessing Extell is happy this one is flying under the radar.

http://cdn3.curbednetwork.com/cache/gallery/4064/4399612458_d578127eda_o.jpg
Gotta be strong to support 1,000 feet of tower

http://cdn3.curbednetwork.com/cache/gallery/2736/4398809051_bce8464ba3_o.jpg


http://cdn3.curbednetwork.com/cache/gallery/2785/4399612162_800855eaaf_o.jpg


http://cdn3.curbednetwork.com/cache/gallery/4012/4398845759_31d13cd77d_o.jpg

I don't have to know anything about it but I know one thing it better not be ugly.

I don't have to know anything about it but I know one thing it better not be ugly.

lol, i don't think it's going to be ugly at all. actually i expect a very nice design!

there hiding it cuz they know we won't like it. Maybe it be a box with no windows that should be fun or it's will be a 80 foot building with a 1000 foot spire what would bring me so much joy. But we won't know to it finish or to some steals the plans. I'm just saying and taller then 800 feet can change the skyscape or the good or the bad.

Given the architect, this could, repeat: COULD be even better than Tower Verre.

Very exciting! Too bad the article said only 73 floors- so most likely this tower is not a 1,000 footer

Very exciting! Too bad the article said only 73 floors- so most likely this tower is not a 1,000 footer
It'll be over 1000ft. Don't forget there is supposedly a crown on top.

What's the final design for this tower?

Isn't there a legal requirement for urban plans to be made public? There certainly is in the UK. How else can locals lodge objections as part of the planning process? :dunno:

http://www.chdeportzamparc.com/

The architect's website. He doesn't design garbage; it'll be a good tower.

http://www.chdeportzamparc.com/

The architect's website. He doesn't design garbage; it'll be a good tower.

Looks like he did the Hearst Tower too.

Looks like he did the Hearst Tower too.

No, he just had a fairly nice proposal. Foster designed what was eventually built there.

Isn't there a legal requirement for urban plans to be made public? There certainly is in the UK. How else can locals lodge objections as part of the planning process? :dunno:

As long as projects conform to the pre-established base zoning, they are essentially pre-approved.

Well it took a while for us to find out what the final design for Beekman Tower would be, so I'm guessing this will be just about the same for this.

Well it took a while for us to find out what the final design for Beekman Tower would be, so I'm guessing this will be just about the same for this.

yeah, and it's not a bad omen at all since beekman tower will turn out great!

Very exciting! Too bad the article said only 73 floors- so most likely this tower is not a 1,000 footer

there are 27 completed supertalls with 73 floors or less, so...

Isn't there a legal requirement for urban plans to be made public? There certainly is in the UK. How else can locals lodge objections as part of the planning process? :dunno:

One would expext the same here (as in my country). :)

so wait, this is under construction but NO renders have been publicly available?

yep thats seems to be their plan here, crazy isn't it

so wait, this is under construction but NO renders have been publicly available?

Not so uncommon, and last time it happened (Beekman Tower), things turned out better than anyone could have imagined.

^^^ I seen beekman's render before it started and it came out the way I thought it would. This on the other I couldn't tell you.

^^^ I seen beekman's render before it started and it came out the way I thought it would. This on the other I couldn't tell you.

No, the official Beekman Tower renders were disclosed already after the foundations were completed. It would take you maximum 3-4 clicks as well to just go to the beginning Beekman's thread and see the various comments on the "secrecy" of the construction, that wasn's officially revealed until Gehry's powerpoint presentation. Rings a bell?

It would take you maximum 3-4 clicks as well to just go to the beginning Beekman's thread...

SSC forumer using intuition to seek out elementary and easily obtained answers? You are asking too much.

No, the official Beekman Tower renders were disclosed already after the foundations were completed. It would take you maximum 3-4 clicks as well to just go to the beginning Beekman's thread and see the various comments on the "secrecy" of the construction, that wasn's officially revealed until Gehry's powerpoint presentation. Rings a bell?

Yeah I check Beekman thread opening ppl bitching about how ugly it was and that was back in 2006 and final design come out in 08 so its like I said. At less with Beekman you got a render, we don't have that here.

Yeah I check Beekman thread opening ppl bitching about how ugly it was and that was back in 2006 and final design come out in 08 so its like I said. At less with Beekman you got a render, we don't have that here.

Again, there was a rough draft that was made public, and people were commenting on that. Read all the comments, don't the select ones that prove your (wrong) point. Again, the powerpoint presentation with the initial image of the facade, and after that the official renders, were released after the foundations were completed. I could bring out the actual dates, but too much of a hassle for a person that has the listening capabilities of a stone.

^^^ Lol I wasn't making a point. I said I seen Beekman's design before it started. I didn't know about SSC in 2006 so I don't care what it says. Let just leave it at that. And I like how you wrote no when I said I seen the design before it started. I'm sorry have I met you before how do you know me lmao.

^ http://www.rhlschool.com/eng2n24.htm

Yes thank you teacher but if remember right this is a free country. So I'll say what I want how I want to. See how Ez that was, don't correct me again. you guy can get back on topic now.

Yes thank you teacher but if remember right this is a free country. So I'll say what I want how I want to. See how Ez that was, don't correct me again. you guy can get back on topic now.

That's questionable.

^^^ He was giving me a english quiz lol. I'm go take a look see, I need to know what's going on in that hole. But I really don't feel like getting on the train lmao.

source: Atelier Christian de Portzamparc (http://www.chdeportzamparc.com/content.asp?LANGUEID=1)

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1197/57306i.jpg

i know that site, but nevertheless thx for the link. there are still no official renders released.

It is said to be Proposal on it :

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?

And Waterview to be also on Proposal when it is said here it's cancelled.

Wow it says 306 m on the billboard! A supertall!

It is said to be Proposal on it :

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?

And Waterview to be also on Proposal when it is said here it's cancelled.

Emporis is more relevant.

Emporis is a better source. But can we alert this person ? This one who made this diagram because many status of towers are not updated !

Emporis is a better source. But can we alert this person ? This one who made this diagram because many status of towers are not updated !

emporis is not a good source at all, well at least not for asian cities. the data is mostly incorrect. this tower is U/C, please read the pages before - we don't need a status change here. also the new height of 306m is far from confirmed. we need reliable information / sources before changing the thread's title. i'm sure we will get some big news on this one in the near future concerning renders, design and height!

NEWS!

CTBUH (http://buildingdb.ctbuh.org/?do=building&building_id=570) lists this tower as 306m for now! also the floor count has changed to 73.

Excellent, but I hope it isn't another building that is 850 feet to the roof with a big-ass spire on top. I'm still holding out that it might be 1003ft. to the roof, and 1083ft. to the tip of the spire. Now that would be more like it! :D

I'm still holding out that it might be 1003ft. to the roof, and 1083ft. to the tip of the spire. Now that would be more like it! :D
if you look at the diagramm (previous page), that will very likely be the case.

NEWS!

CTBUH (http://buildingdb.ctbuh.org/?do=building&building_id=570) lists this tower as 306m for now! also the floor count has changed to 73.


This is great news... woop woop!... :cheers:

Can't believe there aren't any renders yet..

from Curbed


Midtown Tower Supersizes Apartments and Grows to 75 Stories

There are new design details (albeit still no renderings) for the now 75-story Park Hyatt hotel/condo tower designed by French starchitect Christian de Portzamparc for Extell at 157 West 57th Street. Fresh plans were recently submitted to the Buildings Department by project architects and local boys SLCE, and the Post's Lois Weiss—who accidentally confuses the tower for part of Riverside Center, another Extell/C-deP collabo nearby—relays the highlights. There will be a garage for 63 cars, retail on the ground floor and 20 stories of hotel action with meeting rooms and a ballroom. Then the real fun starts:

Starting at the 21st floor the building turns residential, with a lounge, screening room, fitness center and other amenities. In the new version, set-back roofs are enclosed and some single-story apartments have been changed to duplexes. The highest residential floor, 72, only will have half an apartment, with the entire 71st floor hosting the rest of the apartment. [Extell CEO Gary Barnett] said it definitely won't be his next abode. "I can't afford it," he laughed. The mechanics and elevator will take the building to a 75th-floor roof.
A new 75-story tower in this climate? Ha! But laugh not, he who doubts the Barnett, because this baby is bankrolled and very much active. We're dying to see a rendering. C'mon, tipsters, hit us up.



link : http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2010/03/24/midtown_tower_supersizes_apartments_and_grows_to_75_stories.php#more

the renders will shock everyone

hopefuly we will get to see them before the tower is finished..

check http://www.chdeportzamparc.com if you want to see what this guy is capable of, i personally like the interiors a lot.. anyway, hoping for nice renders ;}

http://pritzkerprize.com/laureates/1994/_images/06.png <- another of his realization in New York

the renders will shock everyone

What do you know that we don't? :)

This tower should lead the way for e-v-e-r-y other tower:
_dig a whole in the ground
_build your tower
_DO NOT, ever show a render

NIMBYs will just wake up one morning and go "Why is there shade on my eco-friendly veggie garden?"

Job done! No complains or lawsuits. :bash:

This tower should lead the way for e-v-e-r-y other tower:
_dig a whole in the ground
_build your tower
_DO NOT, ever show a render

NIMBYs will just wake up one morning and go "Why is there shade on my eco-friendly veggie garden?"

Job done! No complains or lawsuits. :bash:

I disagree. I was shocked that in a country like America they were allowed to build a supertall without even releasing a design beforehand. It seemed like something a communist country would do, but apparently it's pure capitalism...

check http://www.chdeportzamparc.com if you want to see what this guy is capable of, i personally like the interiors a lot.. anyway, hoping for nice renders ;}

http://pritzkerprize.com/laureates/1994/_images/06.png <- another of his realization in New York

It gives info on another project this guy is supposedly working on in New York, 400 Park Ave. South, due to start this year, but strangely there doesn't seem to be a thread on it in SSC.

I disagree. I was shocked that in a country like America they were allowed to build a supertall without even releasing a design beforehand. It seemed like something a communist country would do, but apparently it's pure capitalism...

maybe this helps you out:
NIMBYs only have power when something needs approval. This tower doesn't need any approvals. According to the changes in building documents, this tower has only recently been "finalized", despite what Extell has been saying. Still, a rendering wouldn't hurt.

It gives info on another project this guy is supposedly working on in New York, 400 Park Ave. South, due to start this year, but strangely there doesn't seem to be a thread on it in SSC.

yeah we know, but there isn't much news on that one. here is the WNY thread for the proposed tower: WNY (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5236&page=10)

When i pased by the site last week i asked a construction worker about the renders, he just said "well, this will take a long time, till renders will be released" mhhhhh i hope we dont need to wait a year or so on.

This tower should lead the way for e-v-e-r-y other tower:
_dig a whole in the ground
_build your tower
_DO NOT, ever show a render

NIMBYs will just wake up one morning and go "Why is there shade on my eco-friendly veggie garden?"

Job done! No complains or lawsuits. :bash:

Interesting post. If the render is not released you can't have NIMBY's complaining about the design of the tower.:)

So how does the construction site look? is there steel up or just a dirt hole?

^^Lots of rebar and concrete has been poured, but the main construction is still below ground and seems to involve just finishing the foundation.

I hope they at least work the foundation to street level. We don't need another 56 Leonard St. "swimming pool". LOL

When i pased by the site last week i asked a construction worker about the renders, he just said "well, this will take a long time, till renders will be released" mhhhhh i hope we dont need to wait a year or so on.

I know I'm late. next time you go by ask him about the blueprint, makes sure he doesn't start talking about jay z. If he say there is none, ask him if he's working for the mob.

Hey desertpunk not to be a dick but you wrote the samething in other threads whats up with that?

SSP is reporting 75 floors and 1,005 feet. A forumer who works with the CTBUH and Emporis saw the blueprints at the jobsite and has confirmed the height.

:banana:

Hmm, so no rendering at all?

SSP is reporting 75 floors and 1,005 feet. A forumer who works with the CTBUH and Emporis saw the blueprints at the jobsite and has confirmed the height.

:banana:That's exciting news. I'm intrigued to see the design. Portzamparc is a wonderful architect. I have high hopes. :)

It would be great if someone could take a ride down the road and try to take some pics..:)

^^ yeah, we have enough NYers here, but they are too lazy (or too busy lol). ;). great news, we were right about the height! :) i can't wait till they finally release the renders!

I'll bet that that height does not include the crown. This tower could be 350m with the crown.

I'll bet that that height does not include the crown. This tower could be 350m with the crown.

What crown? Christian De Portzamparc doesn't do crowns. His towers are elegant prisms of angular glass and steel, not crowns.

I'll bet that that height does not include the crown. This tower could be 350m with the crown.

The information comes from someone who saw the actual blueprints. It will be 1,005 feet. No more, no less.

My friend is an architect in NY, and he said that blueprints filed with the city don't include crowns in the tower's height. Therefore, it might be taller but it won't be shorter.

The documents you're referring to have already been submitted to the NY DoB. They have 953ft listed as their highest occupied floor. So the extra 52 feet is the "crown".

Thanks. I did not know that. Supposedly, the same builder plans a taller tower nearby. Do you have any news about that?

Thanks. I did not know that. Supposedly, the same builder plans a taller tower nearby. Do you have any news about that?

225 W 57th.
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8439

pics by kz1000ps, WNY:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4017/4593258962_c2568f5741_b.jpg


http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1319/4593263052_f5ea2475ec_b.jpg

How recent are those pics?

How recent are those pics?

may 8th. my guess is that not much action is going on...

They are from a weekend when construction workers are off. The site is very busy on weekdays.

They are from a weekend when construction workers are off. The site is very busy on weekdays.

the thing is i'm missing a construction crane. there should be at least one, it's about time. :|

the thing is i'm missing a construction crane. there should be at least one, it's about time. :|
Yes..When we'll see tower crane then we'll b sure it's risin'..:)

Supposedly, this is the site of the other tower by the same developer near to this one.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4012/4593248518_eabe47018e_b.jpg
KZNY2CZ

Posted by Sandy on SSP, April 2010.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii283/sandyuspatriot/NY%202010/NYC2010639.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii283/sandyuspatriot/NY%202010/NYC2010638.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii283/sandyuspatriot/NY%202010/NYC2010637.jpg


From April 2009,
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii283/sandyuspatriot/NY%202010/Vuedelhtel2.jpg

So nice of them to have installed a swimming pool in the basement.
I think they have an algae problem in the water....lol

Very good to see this building starting to rise!

Yes indeed, this is quite a wonderful thing. It's a pity we don't even know what it will look like. Construction seems to be moving along nicely. :)

it took a whole year to dig a hole nice job guys now what let's build a bodega

Tell me these shots were taken on a Sunday right before the Superball kickoff or something. Why does the site look alarmingly clean and devoid of human presence?

They don't have construction financing yet.
Read the thread (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=4850447) over at SSP to see what's going on.

They don't have construction financing yet.
Read the thread (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=4850447) over at SSP to see what's going on.

The people propogating this rumour at SSP are (respectfully) wrong. Al-Arabar provided construction financing. Comments on SSP are based on what appears to be an erroneous comment in a news article which was not attributed to the developer.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/26/nyregion/26building.html

Building a Tower of Luxury Apartments in Midtown as Brokers Cross Their Fingers
By CHARLES V. BAGLI
Published: May 25, 2010
Gary Barnett, one of New York City’s most prolific developers, is about to start construction of a $1.3 billion skyscraper on 57th Street that will overtake Trump World Tower as the tallest residential building in the city.

The tower, designed by the French architect Christian de Portzamparc, will rise 1,005 feet above 57th Street east of Seventh Avenue, feature striking views of Central Park and house what Mr. Barnett hopes will be 136 of the most expensive and luxurious apartments in the city. A 210-room Park Hyatt hotel is to occupy the first 20 floors, hotel analysts say.

“We’re going vertical in the next three weeks,” said Mr. Barnett, chief executive of Extell Development. Sounding a little like the developer he is one-upping, he said, “We think it’ll be the nicest project ever built in New York.”
The project is the first major construction start in New York since the fall of Lehman Brothers in September 2008, and it is an ambitious, even risky undertaking. Unemployment still hovers at 10 percent in the city, which has only just begun to gain back some of the 150,000 jobs lost during the recession. Not so long ago, the real estate industry was right behind Wall Street and the nation’s automakers in crying for a federal bailout.

But Mr. Barnett and other real estate executives now say they are seeing signs of life, despite a sluggish economy, fears that the European debt crisis will drag down the stock market and a list of stalled residential projects in New York that runs 500 buildings long.

Apartment prices and office rents have bottomed out, and landlords are having to offer fewer concessions, real estate executives say. Foreign investors are back, and wealthy people are buying property again. Tourists continue to pour into the city. Retailing is relatively strong, and hotel occupancy and rates are picking up.

Hersha Hospitality Trust has bought four Manhattan hotels since January for $200 million. In recent months, SL Green, the city’s biggest commercial landlord, bought two office towers for a total of more than $500 million. And three developers are vying for a minority stake in 1 World Trade Center, which, upon its completion (scheduled for 2013), will be the city’s tallest skyscraper.

All these tentative signs of recovery could be extinguished by another downturn. But many are poised like sprinters for the starting gun on the next real estate bull market.

“There’s a lot more activity,” said Stephen M. Ross, chief executive of Related Companies, a prominent developer. “It’s not doom and gloom anymore.”

Mr. Barnett said his project would be completed in 2013, in time for what he expects will be a booming market. The foundation for his tower, which will stand opposite Carnegie Hall and be called Carnegie 57, is complete.

With banks still largely unwilling to lend money for large projects, Mr. Barnett went to Abu Dhabi for partners and financing. The Tasameem Real Estate Company, controlled by the government, bought a stake in the project two years ago. More recently, a related company, Aabar Investment, agreed to provide financing. By the time the tower opens, Mr. Barnett said, there should be a “dearth” of spacious ultraluxury condominiums. It will loom nearly 500 feet over the Essex House and its rooftop neon sign, giving residents panoramic views.

He said the apartments should command prices comparable to or better than those at 15 Central Park West, a celebrity magnet that has attracted the likes of Sting and Alex Rodriguez and where apartments sell for $6,500 a square foot and more.

“If you can find the money, it’s a great time to be in development,” Mr. Barnett said. “We’re not back to the highs of 2007 yet, but we see things picking up substantially.”

Currently, Extell is building or completing five residential buildings on the West and East Sides with a total of 924 apartments. The company also plans to build a 54-story, 487-room hotel on West 45th Street, near Avenue of the Americas, but his 34-story Gem Tower, which is to house dealers in the Diamond District, has come to a temporary halt.

Jonathan J. Miller, president of the appraisal firm Miller Samuel, called Mr. Barnett’s latest project “pretty gutsy.” Apartment prices leveled off last year, after falling by 25 percent to 30 percent, he said. The anemic market for the highest priced units has recently awakened, but mainly because those units have become more affordable. That could make a tall order out of Mr. Barnett’s goal.

Three years from now, Mr. Miller said, developers and landlords may still be wrestling with an estimated 20,000 rental apartments and condominiums in buildings where construction or sales stopped in the past two years.

“I think things will be better than they are now,” he said, “but I don’t know how much better. I don’t think we’re in recovery mode.”

Still, many brokers and developers take heart from the fact that apartment buyers are back in the market. Pam Liebman, president of the Corcoran Group, said the number of apartments under contract jumped 81 percent in the first quarter of this year, compared with the same period in 2009; it was lower, however, than during the peak in 2007.

In an industry where many believe that perception is reality, landlords, developers and real estate investors are now “up-talking” a market that they had been “down-talking” a year ago, as if a turnaround could be prompted by sheer force of will.

“There’s a palpable optimism in the market right now,” said Robert A. Knakal of Massey Knakal Realty Services, a real estate sales broker.

No private developer is going to start building a speculative office tower anytime soon, but landlords and developers say the Midtown market is on the verge of a turnaround, even though the office vacancy rate is a daunting 14 percent. Effective rents, which had fallen by as much as 45 percent, are now inching upward, at least for first-class space, and concessions are shrinking.

Also, there are few large blocks of vacant space available in Midtown. And, brokers say, Morgan Stanley, UBS, Bank of New York Mellon and Société Générale are each looking for at least 400,000 square feet. This is interpreted as a sign of confidence in the future, since banks and other corporations were fearful of making commitments a year ago.

“We believe that the New York City commercial office market is finally turning the corner after a few difficult years,” Marc Holliday, chief executive of SL Green, said this month after the company added two office buildings to its portfolio.

Mr. Barnett said nothing short of a catastrophe would stop his project. “We believe in New York City,” he said. “People are always going to want to live here.”