Proposed
World Trade Center
Stavanger - Rogaland

http://gfx.api.no/image-versions/www.rogavis.no/m/02349/1231307880000_20090107-065612-pi_2349744m.jpg

http://mm.aftenbladet.no/multimedia/dynamic/00263/Perspektiv1_263977m.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/wtcforus.jpg

Seabrokers plans to build a skyscraper next to the approved SR-Banks Føniks and the proposed LRT, and drawn by the same architect, Brandsberg-Dahls. Many believe Forus to be Stavangers best location for Skyscrapers and many have been proposed, but none has been built yet.

As you can see, it's a lot taller, and Føniks is 115 meters! They aren't suggesting a timespan, since the times are uncertain for such a large project.

These are great plans, it would be Norways tallest building, but the fact that it's close to the airport may be a problem.

The building will contain 44 000 m2 offices and needs a few tennants before Seabrokers start construction, even tough this company is one of the few building on speculation during the financial crisis.

http://www.rogalandsavis.no/nyheter/article4031219.ece
http://www.stavanger-chamber.no/doc/2008/Rosenkilden%2011-08%20Lav%20-%20web.pdf

Map of Forus with the highrises location:

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/Forushyhuskart.jpg

1. SR-Banks Føniks
2. Seabrokers WTC
3. Base propertys highrise
4. Bryggeriparken highrise

Black is the planned light-rail stops.

This project has been discussed in the local press for a few years, but these are the first renders. Originally it was planned as a 26 floor building with construction start in the end of 2008.

I have only one word for this: GO FOR IT!!! :banana:

It's looking awsome! But the location in the flightpath to Sola can be a problem...

Go for clusters outside Scandinavian capitals!

Looks great, but how can you be sure it's MUCH taller than the Føniks building? Could be the perspective.

Go for clusters outside Scandinavian capitals!

Looks great, but how can you be sure it's MUCH taller than the Føniks building? Could be the perspective.

It's 10 floors taller... ~30-40 metres. That's quite a lot.

Looks, good. Forus is the place :D

The Forus area rocks :rock: Hope we will see a cluster there in some years.

Yes, Yes, YES! Been waiting so many years for this building, and this looks really great, though its not the final design. Looks like something which will match up perfectly with Føniks.

I don't think Sola flightpath will be an issue, the building should be around 130/135m tall, and they went easy on approving Føniks 115m. As long as they don't go over 150m it should not be an issue.

Only issue is the financial crisis, will probably not stop it, but we might have to wait several years to see it start construction. If Føniks goes as planned this autumn is great news, though i guess Føniks will be completed before we see many cranes at WTC's site.

Let's hope you're right;)

It has been mentioned in old articles that the plot sits on the exact border between Sola, Stavanger and Sandnes communes, i wonder wich commune will treat the proposal, hope it's Sandnes, since they are the ones who approved Føniks;)

Again a good argument for rethinking commune boundaries in Norway... ;D

There is no such thing as a plot devided between different municipalities. This one is located in Stavanger. And if its ok by Avinor I doubt the city council will have any good reasons for refusing it.

That is one very nice proposal!

Other tall buildings thans these two planned in the area?

There is also baseproperty's proposal, right beside both (number 3 in the map). A nice 18-floorer This will hopefully be the best cluster in Norway (Nordics?) in some years.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/forus_jpg_192085m.jpg

/\ Ah thanks didn't notice that. Yes it could surely turn out to be a very nice cluster. :)

This is just a start, the winning masterplan proposes buildings up to 45 floors in a very tight clauster. :)

That masterplan (a very big one) had 88 buildings with more than 10 floors, but that was for a much larger area than just Forus. More detailed plan from 2005 said that 24 floors or 96m was the maximum allowed height for the area B1 and B2. Good thing they have put a minimal height on 18 floors for B1, so the lowest you will see in that clauster is Forus Business Arena. They also want as slim highrises as possible, with maximum 550sqm each floor. But they have approved 115m, so the old restrictions have been left old!

Link to masterplan?

^^ Sorry, it dates back to 2002. All i have is some crappy renderings of a proposed masterplan for a smaller area of Forus.

But don't get too high expectations, my guess is that we will see 1 or 2 more high-rises in that area. One right next to Føniks southside (WTC is to the east) and maybe one in Stavanger, but they have already been very negative towards taller buildings even though Sandnes have given Føniks a go across the street!

WTC is misplaced in that map! (And in mine to) I can see now that it's in Stavanger, and so the one from Base property is in Sola... Pretty weird;D

^^ its a little misplaced yes. WTC has adress Forusbeen 80 (Gnr. 15/Bnr. 600) in Stavanger Kommune. Føniks has adress Kappholen 8 (Gnr. 67/Bnr. 216) in Sandnes Kommune. The new LR will go right between the two on Sandnes/Stavanger border.

A updated map, WTC and Føniks site.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y162/cityz/Urban/FniksLocationvsWTCA.jpg

I cant see how this building can be taller than 120 meters. Oslo Plaza has 37 floors and is 117 meters.

I cant see how this building can be taller than 120 meters. Oslo Plaza has 37 floors and is 117 meters.

There is a big difference between a hotel and a office-building. If Oslo Plaza was to have 37 floors with offices in it they would have to make it almost 140-150m tall. Postgirobygget is a office-building with older floor standard than today, yet its 111m tall with 11 floors less than Plaza.

Looking at Kista Science Tower in Stockholm which is a pretty good exemple of a typical modern office-building, 32 floors = 124m im guessing WTC should be just around 130m tall.

Looks great!
Amazing that i can be the tallest building in Norway(outside of Oslo:nuts:).
I`ll guess its up to the politicians, now.

Well. I guess politicans i Oslo will be more willing to build a higher building than WTC will be now...

^^It's on now. Oslo will have to approve KLP's proposal in biskop gunerus gate to keep it's position in Norway. This is a good war!

This is a war Oslo is bound to loose... ;) Oslo should follow Stavangers example and turn the most ugly low-rise area into a skyscraperdistrict... Alnabyen anyone? :D The area already has the citys best infrastructure...

Norges høyeste bygg kan komme på Forus
Seabrokers World Trade Center er planlagt på Forus i Stavanger kommune. Får ikke selskapet gjennomslag her, kan gigantprosjektet flyttes noen meter sørøver – til Sandnes.

Et par meter fra grensen til Sandnes og ikke mange flere fra Sola planlegges Norges høyeste bygg. Vi snakker om Seabrokers stadig mer konkrete «World Trade Center».

Bygget som kan få hele 34 etasjer og dermed bli Norges høyeste, skal ligge på Stavangersiden av grensen, men går ikke det, har Seabrokers en plan B klar. Det kommer fram i forrige utgave av Næringsforeningens magasin Rosenkilden.

– Vi ser behovet for et World Trade Center uansett. Hvis ikke høyhuset lar seg realisere der vi har planlagt det, vil vi vurdere en annen tomt, sier konserndirektør Ragnvald Albretsen til Aftenbladet.

Fikk fortgang i Sandnes
Alternativet han snakker om er Vestre Svanholmen 1, noen hundre meter lenger sør på Forus. Denne tomten ligger i Sandnes kommune. Her bygger selskapet i dag 34.000 kvadratmeter, men ikke som høyhus.

– Vi kan eventuelt fylle World Trade Center i disse nye lokalene hvis vi ikke får gjennomslag for høyhuset i Stavanger. Tomten i Sandnes vil ikke bli et høyhus og ikke ligge like tett på en framtidig bybanestasjon, men ellers er den like attraktiv, sier han.

Albretsen har ved flere anledninger gitt ros til Sandnes kommune for rask behandling av reguleringsplanen for Aibel-bygget vis-à-vis golfbanen.

– Ikke ment som trussel
Albretsen avviser likevel at han vil true Stavanger med å stikke av til Sandnes hvis ikke Stavanger godkjenner det gigantiske World Trade Center i en fart.

– Vi kommer ikke til å presse noen. Vi har bare laget et forslag som vi håper å få gjennomslag for i Stavanger, sier han.

– Men en plan B i Sandnes kan kanskje få politikere i Stavanger til å forte seg med reguleringsarbeidet for høyhuset?

– Vi har alltid en plan B. Var jeg politiker, ville jeg gjort hva jeg kunne for å få dette høyhuset til min kommune. Men dette er bare en skisse. Detaljene rundt høyde er ikke avklart, sier han.

Bygging om ett år
Skissen som er lagt fram nå, viser et bygg med 34 etasjer og et totalt areal på 44.000 kvadratmeter. Bygget vil bli noen meter høyere enn Oslo Plaza, som er 117 meter høyt. Eiendomsutviklingsselskapet har allerede betalt World Trade Centers Association i New York for tillatelsen til å slutte seg til nettverket som ifølge Rosenkilden består av 340 World Trade Center i 91 land.

Finanskrisen og usikkerheten om den umiddelbare økonomiske framtiden skremmer ikke Seabrokers bort fra planen. Faktisk kan lavere byggekostnader bli konsekvensen om byggingen kommer raskt nok i gang.

– Uansett er dette er bare et utspill og vi kommer ikke til å bygge i morgen. Vi har det ikke travelt. Nå vil vi jobbe videre med tegningene, så kommer vi til å legge det fram for politikere. Vi kommer ikke i gang før tidligst om et år, sier Ragnvald Albretsen.

So construction start in early 2010 if approval. It cancelled, moved to Sandnes, but not as a highrise.

Article also say the highrise is just "a couple of meters" taller than Oslo Plaza, so my guess is that this design is around 120-130m tall. Height isn't final yet anyway so.

Approximately the same hight as Biskop Gunnerus then. Who will first take over Plaza`s position as the highest building in Norway????

Wow, someone (me) needs to pay attention! This is good news indeed, and the design is good (although it's not final :( ). I'd very much like for someplace to show the way forward.... and if that is Sandnes, then all the best for them!

It's looking awsome! But the location in the flightpath to Sola can be a problem...

yes, and sola airport is always getting bigger. then more air traffic. it should not be a wtc-"accident" again!!!!

^^ Well, it's more than 3 km away from the airport. Planes are way higher than 130 meters there, and none of the runways point to the WTC spot.

^^ True, its actually just stupid. Alot of airports in the world have buildings taller than 130m closer than 3km...

And most airports have mountains way taller, much closer...

Are they afraid of buildings blocking radar views and such maybe? I know they have closed down mountain-topps around Værnes (Trondheim Airport) in 2008 because they think it might cause jamming of airport radars if people with phones is on top of it, even though its 5-10km away!

seems so futuristic

They are maybe a bit optimistic with the timeframe, but this is great news!


Stavanger In Norway To Get Its Own WTC

Published on 09-03-2009 by Skyscrapernews.com
Proposals have been put forward for a new highrise for Stavanger in Norway. Named the World Trade Centre, something the world apparently needs many of.

The design comes from the drawing board of Brandsberg-Dahls Architects and if given approval will stand at an approximate height of 130 metres and putting it on the way to being the tallest high-rise in Norway.

Located in a brand new Central Business District, if given the go ahead the project will be one of the first few towers to begin a programme of development expected to take around twenty years to complete.

The project consists of a 34-storey tower and a smaller tower connected by a lazed sky bridge. The towers sport a very prismatic look and will be constructed from steel with fully glazed facades giving them a sharp modern look suited to any up and coming business district.

The lower structure stands on a columned base which will provide a covered over plaza area at the base of the project. In the smaller structure a large auditorium and office space.

The main tower will house mainly offices with several floors given over to a conference centre, a restaurant and a café for workers and visitors to the tower.

Quite slim at the base as the tower rises it begins to jut outwards giving its middle a rather rotund look before tapering back inwards as it reaches its peak, thankfully it seems the spire is quickly going out of fashion and no one decided to top this tower off with one.

It is hoped that permission could be granted by mid 2009, construction beginning as soon as 2010 and the towers could be open for business by as early as 2013.

Great news.
So Stavanger municipality, approved its original location?

No? And they will not get a permission as soon as they want! (they never do, for these kind of projects.)

As mentioned in Føniks tread, this building required a dispensation from Avinor, stumbled over an article where they mention Avinor adding another North-south runway on Sola airport, and removing the east-west one, and they want to do it by next year. If they do - and this results in fewer height restrictions, but i don't know if this runway is the reason why Avinor has restrictions for Forus, but hopefully there will be one less obstacle for Skyscrapers!
http://www.solabladet.no/modules/module_123/proxy.asp?C=100&I=32179&D=2&mid=105

Anyone has a guess to if this will change anything, may the height-restrictions be due to Radar-technicalities? Doesn't look like Forus is in the flightpath of either runways now either....

If anyone wonders the proposed "highrise" mentioned in the article is right next to the airport at 10 office-floors height.

This one is 121m according to this article:
http://www.aftenbladet.no/nytte/bo/1161481/Vis_meg_hoeyhuset_ditt_-_og_jeg_skal_si_hvor_urban_du_er.html

World Trade Center. Rett over på den andre siden av Forus-kanalen har Seabrokers lansert et hus på 34 etasjer og en høyde på 121 meter. Dette bygget ville dermed være Norges høyeste. Status: Prosjektet ligger fremdeles som en visjon på planstadiet.

Bygg.no says construction in 2011... :D

This makes me want to move to Stavanger. Shame on Bergen and it's weird policy for highrises.

This makes me want to move to Stavanger. Shame on Bergen and it's weird policy for highrises.

true.

i cant believe whoever runs this place fails to see the potential of the area behind bystasjonen.. it could become quite a nice and respectable business district.

Lindbergh Field (the international airport in San Diego) is located around 1-2 km from downtown San Diego. See google maps. The height of buildings in downtown is therefore restricted to 152 m (500 ft), and there are several buildings at approximately that height there.

So, 3 km and 121 m should not be a problem.

I rather not post this, but...

I guess i'm not the only one wondering about the faith of this tower so here goes:
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/wtcforus.png

^^ Ok, so they dropped the WTC project, and went for Utsira & Omland Handelslag instead. That is just cool..

Sorry for this rather 4chan-ish post but:


http://radiojente.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/ffffuuuu.jpg

What is that piece of crap?
They should rather leave the plot alone, and spare it to future developers.

"Ved behandling av foreliggende reguleringsplan for de tre kommunene var høyhus et tema som ble mye drøftet. Opprinnelig var det foreslått tre høyhus, et i hver av kommunene. Vi endte opp med kun et høyhus og var opptatt av at dette skulle fremtre som en slank og elegant konstruksjon."

(This is old - 2008, but it says something about the idiot attitude found amoung bureacrats - in this case byplansjef Stavanger municipality refers to prosedyre leading up to the inter-municipal Forus regulation of 2005.) Location of those 3 highrises would be Wtc, Forus Business arena and Føniks. Instead the plan only allows Føniks and as we know Forus Business arena were abandoned for unknown reason and now it's the same with Wtc.

Norwegian authorities have an allergy against highrises. Sadly.

I knew I shouldnt have clicked into this thread. It really pisses me off.

I need to finish my degree, become an entrepreneur and build some crazy cool sites. Because this is utter crap!

I'm writing a letter to Stavanger Aftenblad tomorrow about city planning. Will post if it makes the paper. Please provide if you have any thoughts on issues that should be in the text.

creo que el primer proyecto iba a quedar hermoso en el skyline de la ciudad , porque las autoridades estanen contra de este proyecto ? aca en Argentina los politicos si hay dinero mediante le dan para adelante a cualquier basura que se quiera construir