I know this has been discussed somewhere before but came across Stats SA report for 2007 which is the most recent census. Combined Jo'burg and Ekurhleni as in practical terms they are one city.

1. Johannesburg 6 612 000
2. Cape Town 3 497 000
3. Durban 3 468 000
4. Pretoria 2 346 000
5. Port Elizabeth 1 050 930
6. Bloemfontein 753 000
7. East London 724 000
8. Vanderbijlpark 651 000
9. Pietermaritzburg 617 000
10. Polokwane 562 000

I didn't know Vanderbijlpark is so big lol. Erm, where is it exactly?

I always cape town was bigger than durbs?

I always thought durbs was bigger than cape town

^^ they have been about the same size for years, but it does alter on what u finally term CT and Durbs. This is based solely on municipal boundaries, not all the sprawl areas that could in theory be included

There has also been a larger migration from KwaZulu-Natal's rural areas to Durban, than the rural migration (usually from Transkei) to Cape Town.

^^ Well not at the moment. Apparently CT currently has the fastest grwoing population.

^^ based primarily on the mass migration from the Eastern Cape. The Black african population of the Cape is skyrocketing on the back of these people moving in. It is also the reason behind the massively expanding shacklands along the false bay coast.

I didn't know Vanderbijlpark is so big lol. Erm, where is it exactly?

outside Vereeniging, near the Vaal River, been there many of a time :ohno:

outside Vereeniging, near the Vaal River, been there many of a time :ohno:

Hehe, thanks. I haven't been to Gauteng in ages. I haven't had a reason to. But now I do.

Vereeniging? As in association/corporation/organisation? :weird:
Vanderbijlpark: Sounds Flemish.

How do cities like George, Kimberley, Nelspruit, Oudtshoorn, Worcester, Stellenbosch, Upington, Rustenburg, Ermelo, Phalaborwa, Lichtenburg, Mosselbaai, Robertson, Wellington/Paarl and Pietersburg score? Are they in the top-20 (30)?


These are the cities I know. :) Not bad, eh (for a non-SA-citizen)?

Is Jo'burg's population including Sandton and the Surbubs around?

yes rulani

^^ Yes, all populations are for the greater city areas.

City with strong population growth over the past few years from our research are Richard's Bay, George, Pietermaritzburg and Polokwane

apparently Pietermaritsburg is the fastest growing city n SA

maybe one day we'll have a huge megatropolis:nuts:, just like JHB/Tswane

Vereeniging? As in association/corporation/organisation? :weird:


come again?

its a town outside Joburg,

http://i41.tinypic.com/2aak70h.jpg

apparently Pietermaritsburg is the fastest growing city n SA

maybe one day we'll have a huge megatropolis:nuts:, just like JHB/Tswane

:rofl:

:rofl:

I'll quote you on your laughter when it comes true in 30-40 years. :)

positive thoughts guys...
you never know:)

^^ what is driving the growth i Pzb? excuse my ignorance, but it does not have much to offer, esp in terms of industry, resources or infrastructure...

I can only speak for the few places close-by, and by the looks of it and previous stats.
George should be between 200 000 and 250 000
MosselBay has probably just gone over 100 000
Knysna probably around 80 000
Oudtshoorn probably around 70 000, not growing as fast as the others.

2 Reasons for growth here, migration from north by richer families, parents choosing to commute to JNB for work on weekly basis. Those that choose not to emigrate, rather moving to smaller safer place with all amenities.
Also migration from Eastern Cape, as interim base for many on their way to Cape Town.

Does anyone have some info on developments in Mossel Bay? I drove past it last month and in the distance saw what appeared to be a few sexy talls on the beachfront.

Does the ranking just refers strictly to cities or does it include metro areas?

It includes metro areas.

^^Ok, thanks!!!

Where is poor old Kimberley in all this? And what about Mafikeng?

apparently Pietermaritsburg is the fastest growing city n SA

maybe one day we'll have a huge megatropolis:nuts:, just like JHB/Tswane

Pmb will be gaining Metropolitan status in the next 4 years, therefore putting it in the same league as Durban, CT and co.

Its main growth is based around industry/manufacturing and government related departments, with the city being the capital of KZN.

It is moving into new "clean" industries too, which are also contributing to its growth economically.

Its population growth is based on rural people moving into the city region and return of capital status leading to people moving to the city for government departments from Ulundi and Durban

I'll quote you on your laughter when it comes true in 30-40 years. :)

I'll be waiting for that ;)

outside boemfontein, towards taba n'chu is a huge township +- 1 000 000 folks livin there - excuse the spelling - "botchobelo"???. more ppl live there than in Bfn.

dont know about pzb - umthatha is the capital of EC, but more than govt spending is required to bring these old towns to city status...

other than the really crappy ROADS....
umthatha is getting some interesting development and i am not sure who is pushing it,
puplic/private??

Even as a metro Pietermaritzburg's pop will only be around 850 000. Seems strange that Bloem isn't becoming a metro if Pmb is.

I really thought Bloem was much bigger.

Even as a metro Pietermaritzburg's pop will only be around 850 000. Seems strange that Bloem isn't becoming a metro if Pmb is.

bloem is also. so is polokwane and its extended region

Thanks. Didn't realise that. In that case East London must be feeling a bit left out.

Here is the census of 09-10-2006 in terms of urban population. There are many suprises such as Johannesburg only 3rd place, which demonstrates that the CBD at that time was quite deserted. Other great suprise for me was the position of Nelspruit 36th, Knysna 87th, Polokwane 40th...

1< Cape Town (Kaapstad) WCA 2,415,408
2< Durban KWA 2,117,650
3< Johannesburg GAU 1,480,530
4< Pretoria (Tshwane)GAU 1,104,479
5< Soweto GAU 1,098,094
6< Port Elizabeth ECA 749,921
7< Pietermaritzburg KWA 378,126
8< Benoni GAU 365,467
9< Vereeniging GAU 346,780
10< Bloemfontein FRE 333,769
11< Tembisa GAU 282,272
12< Boksburg GAU 260,905
13< Vanderbijlpark GAU 253,335
14< Newcastle KWA 219,682
15< East London (Oos-Londen) ECA 212,323
16< Welkom (Free State Goldfields) FRE 203,296
17< Krugersdorp GAU 203,168
18< Uitenhage ECA 192,120
19< Mdantsane ECA 182,998
20< Botshabelo FRE 177,971
21< Brakpan GAU 171,359
22< Kimberley NCA 170,432
23< Witbank MPU 167,183
24< Carletonville (Oberholzer) GAU 164,367
25< Springs GAU 160,795
26< Alberton GAU 147,948
27< Paarl WCA 140,376
28< Klerksdorp NWE 137,318
29< Midrand GAU 126,400
30< Verwoerdburg (Centurion) GAU 114,575
31< Westonaria GAU 113,932
32< Somerset West WCA 112,489
33< Rustenburg NWE 104,537
34< Potchefstroom NWE 101,682
35< Randfontein GAU 98,045
36< Nelspruit MPU 94,714
37< George WCA 94,122
38< Bisho (Bhisho) ECA 93,288
39< Nigel GAU 91,724
40< Pietersburg (Polokwane)LIM 91,407
41< Ladysmith KWA 89,087
42< Kroonstad FRE 86,927
43< Middelburg MPU 85,884
44< Mabopane GAU 83,904
45< Epumalanga (Empumalanga) KWA 81,714
46< Embalenhle (eMbalenhle) MPU 77,896
47< Worcester WCA 76,894
48< Orkney NWE 75,324
49< Sasolburg FRE 73,291
50< Umtata ECA 72,205
51< Richards Bay KWA 70,637
52< Grahamstown ECA 62,640
53< Phalaborwa LIM 62,019
54< Virginia FRE 61,006
55< Ga-Rankuwa GAU 59,228
56< Stellenbosch WCA 58,296
57< Bethlehem FRE 57,127
58< Standerton MPU 55,063
59< Upington NCA 54,544
60< Queenstown ECA 53,656
61< Stilfontein NWE 53,590
62< Oudtshoorn WCA 53,586
63< Vryheid KWA 52,311
64< Ermelo MPU 50,526
65< Atlantis WCA 49,108
66< Lichtenburg NWE 48,726
67< Brits NWE 47,556
68< Saldanha WCA 44,590
69< Mmabatho NWE 44,255
70< Parys FRE 43,431
71< Mossel Bay WCA 42,984
72< eMzinoni MPU 42,803
73< Phuthaditjhaba FRE 41,930
74< Heidelberg GAU 41,816
75< Potgietersrus LIM 41,498
76< Thohoyandou LIM 39,513
77< Thaba Nchu FRE 37,102
78< Kgotsong (Bothaville) FRE 36,523
79< Botleng (Delmas) MPU 35,859
80< Temba GAU 35,056
81< Graaff-Reinet ECA 34,179
82< Harrismith FRE 33,728
83< Vryburg NWE 33,180
84< Butterworth ECA 33,003
85< Esikhawini KWA 32,893
86< Ekangala MPU 30,925
87< Knysna WCA 30,807
88< Siyabuswa MPU 29,811
89< Cradock ECA 29,166
90< Port Shepstone KWA 29,047
91< Beaufort West WCA 28,614
92< Mondlo KWA 28,344
93< Stanger KWA 28,312
94< Bela Bela (Warmbad) LIM 28,194
95< Fochville NWE 27,982
96< Piet Retief MPU 27,522
97< De Aar NCA 26,953
98< Margate KWA 26,718
99< Schweizer-Reineke NWE 26,309
100< Estcourt KWA 25,767
101< Fort Beaufort ECA 25,489
102< Secunda MPU 25,459
103< eMjindini (Barberton) MPU 24,870
104< Dundee KWA 24,754
105< Empangeni KWA 24,711
106< Lady Frere ECA 24,315
107< Heilbron FRE 24,242
108< Rammulotsi (Viljoenskroon) FRE 24,076
109< Lulekani LIM 23,950
110< Lebowakgomo LIM 23,711
111< Monyakeng FRE 23,411
112< Ceres WCA 22,673
113< Aliwal North ECA 22,508
114< Phola MPU 22,423
115< Tswelelang (Wolmaransstad) NWE 22,178
116< Hennenman FRE 21,951
117< Giyani LIM 21,926
118< Lebohang (Leandra) MPU 21,629
119< Kokstad KWA 21,032
120< Siyathemba (Balfour) MPU 20,854
121< Malmesbury WCA 20,403
122< Ekuphumleni ECA 20,367
123< Theunissen FRE 20,350
124< Frankfort FRE 20,026

By the census given by GregPz ( Johannesburg by it self has 3 888 180 ) in 10th place appears Thalamela with 602 819 and in 12th place appears Nelspruit with 509 970.

Thanks. Didn't realise that. In that case East London must be feeling a bit left out.

they are applying, but their application is being let down by 3 things. A falling population, stagnant economy and political bungling in the East Cape region

Only now I saw that the data I gave here for Urban population is referes to 1996 and not 2006

By the estimates the fastest growing cities ( metropolitan population ) ( of the 40 biggest cities ) of South Africa are 1.Richards Bay 2.Welkom 3.Pietermaritzburg 4.Botshabelo 5.George 6.Emalahleni 7.Sihlanga 8.CapeTown 9.Bloemfontein 10.Johannesburg. And including all cities of south africa the fastest growing is Dundee, followed by Richards Bay and Piet Retief.

Whereabouts is Dundee?

South of Newcastle in northern Natal

It's very difficult to tell how fast city populations have been growing as we've gone through a phase where municipal boundaries have been constantly changed resulting in big population changes. Now that city boundaries are more established we'll be able to get a better idea in future.

When's the next full-blown census?

I want to see urban growth according to Gross Metropolitan Product, that's the real indicator of growth, not just an influx of rural poor looking for work. I think the George/Mossel Bay region would be pretty impressive. That small city seems to just go from economic strength to strength. Driving on the N2 there, every year the place looks like it's burgeoning!

^^ holiday homes.....

Apparently Pretoria has the highest GDP per capita

^^ holiday homes.....
More than just holiday homes going up... there are actually very few vacationers in George itself. Herolds Bay, yes, Wilderness, yes, but not George. I'm talking about all the malls, restaurants, offices, industrial buildings and stores I've seen pop up everywhere.

Apparently Pretoria has the highest GDP per capita

Really? Where did you hear this?

More than just holiday homes going up... there are actually very few vacationers in George itself. Herolds Bay, yes, Wilderness, yes, but not George. I'm talking about all the malls, restaurants, offices, industrial buildings and stores I've seen pop up everywhere.

We've had real booming time the last few years, but unfortunately like in most other places economic woes also hit here and several shops closed or is closing down and many of the shopping centres are struggling to keep tenants. After the Garden Route Mall opened in George 3 years ago many centres in town still kept going allright. But now two of larger centres lost their main tenants and subsequently also many smaller ones then. Game out of one centre, and Ster-Kinekor from another (both companies having a store in the mall as well). Business people in the CBD and of these centres complain alot, but unfortunately I think landlords of the older centres in town is also to blame, not really investing in upgrading and beautifying their buildings.
Still many office park developments is still on the cards and seem to be going ahead this year as well as many industrial developments. From this still bring alot of residential development, but definitely less than the last years.
Also there is still big plans ahead from developers that plan things for the next ten years (so not letting current situations put them off), like Eden Meander (bigger shopping mall and office park with residential flats), Destiny Africa (Conference, Recreation (theme-park), Hotels, Waterfront, Shopping and offices...been in the planning for more than 5 years now). Also Waterfront development around the Garden Route Dam and also many residential and business development to the south of the city to extend it to the sea (Pacaltsdorp/Hansmoeskraal area).
It's been mentioned before that the George/MosselBay area might become one metropole within the next 10 to 20 years, with George still being the economic/business/industrial hub and MosselBay the Holiday hub, with the airport nicely situated in the middle!

Really? Where did you hear this?

Was mentioned in a newspaper report about a month ago. Tried finding it on the net but no luck...can't remember what the main story was about.

I'm always visiting the SA Statiscal Offices, and I also elaborated some lists as well. However in the case of Johannesburg, besides East Rand, I included West Rand too. There's also a PWV, including the whole Gauteng, Sasolburg (Orange Free State), Delmas (Mpumalanga), Brits and Carletonville (both on North West).

Population (Estimate 2007)

PWV --- 11 243 888
1. Johannesburg --- 7 151 447
---Johannesburg: 3 888 180
---East Rand: 2 724 229
---West Rand: 539 038
2. Cape Town ---3 497 097
3. Durban --- 3 468 086
4. Pretoria --- 2 345 908
5. Port Elizabeth --- 1 050 930
6. Bloemfontein --- 752 906
7. East London --- 724 312
8. Vereeniging --- 650 867
9. Pietermaritzburg --- 616 730
10. Thohoyandou --- 602 819
11. Pietersburg --- 561 772
12. Nelspruit --- 527 203


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Population (Census 2001)

PWV --- 9 908 190
1. Johannesburg --- 6 237 616
---Johannesburg --- 3 225 309
---East Rand --- 2 478 629
---West Rand --- 533 676
2. Durban --- 3 090 123
3. Cape Town --- 2 892 242
4. Pretoria --- 1 982 235
5. Port Elizabeth --- 1 005 784
6. East London --- 702 280
7. Vereeniging --- 658 420
8. Bloemfontein --- 645 438
9. Thohoyandou --- 580 831
10. Pietermaritzburg --- 552 839
11. Pietersburg --- 508 275
12. Bushbuckridge --- 497 961
13. Louis Trichardt --- 495 260
14. Nelspruit --- 476 594
15. Umtata --- 416 345
16. Welkom -- 408 169
17. Rustenburg --- 387 098
18. Tzaneen --- 375 585
19. Harrismith --- 360 788
20. Klerksdorp --- 359 203
21. Brits --- 346 673
22. Komatiepoort --- 334 420
23. Newcastle --- 332 981
24. Potgietersrus --- 298 437
25. Krugersdorp --- 289 835


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Ethnic Groups (Census 2001)

PWV
---Black -- 7 522 363 (75.9%)
---Coloured -- 343 376 (3.5%)
---Indian -- 219 560 (2.2%)
---White -- 1 822 891 (18.4%)
------Afrikaners -- 1 062 072 (10.7%)
------English -- 725 712 (7.3%)

Johannesburg-Rand
---Black -- 4 670 847 (74.9%)
---Coloured -- 288 985 (4.6%)
---Indian -- 180 612 (2.9%)
---White -- 1 097 172 (17.6%)
------Afrikaners -- 468 265 (7.5%)
------English -- 605 444 (9.7%)
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Johannesburg
---Black -- 2 369 768 (73.5%)
---Coloured -- 206 249 (6.4%)
---Indian -- 134 108 (4.2%)
---White -- 515 184 (16.0%)
------Afrikaners -- 134 273 (4.2%)
------English -- 366 565 (11.4%)
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East Rand
---Black -- 1 890 075 (76.3%)
---Coloured -- 66 807 (2.7%)
---Indian -- 39 663 (1.6%)
---White -- 482 084 (19.4%)
------Afrikaners -- 256 578 (10.4%)
------English -- 217 495 (8.8%)
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West Rand
---Black -- 411 001 (77.0%)
---Coloured -- 15 930 (3.0%)
---Indian -- 6 843 (1.3%)
---White -- 99 902 (18.7%)
------Afrikaners -- 77 414 (14.5%)
------English -- 21 384 (4.0%)

Durban
---Black -- 2 110 581 (68.3%)
---Coloured -- 87 279 (2.8%)
---Indian -- 614 836 (19.9%)
---White -- 277 427 (9.0%)
------Afrikaners -- 37 988 (1.2%)
------English -- 235 555 (7.6%)

Cape Town
---Black -- 916 459 (31.7%)
---Coloured -- 1 391 858 (48.1%)
---Indian -- 41 485 (1.4%)
---White -- 542 440 (18.8%)
------Afrikaners -- 223 956 (7.7%)
------English -- 309 368 (10.7%)

Pretoria
---Black -- 1 439 021 (72.6%)
---Coloured -- 38 707 (2.0%)
---Indian -- 30 127 (1.5%)
---White -- 474 380 (23.9%)
------Afrikaners -- 380 451 (19.2%)
------English -- 85 685 (4.3%)

Port Elizabeth
---Black -- 592 357 (58.9%)
---Coloured -- 236 161 (23.5%)
---Indian -- 11 237 (1.1%)
---White -- 166 029 (16.5%)
------Afrikaners -- 90 260 (9.0%)
------English -- 74 504 (7.4%)

East London
---Black -- 598 694 (85.3%)
---Coloured -- 40 003 (5.7%)
---Indian -- 4 377 (0.6%)
---White -- 59 206 (8.4%)
------Afrikaners -- 11 069 (1.6%)
------English -- 47 417 (6.8%)

Vereeniging
---Black -- 553 305 (84.0%)
---Coloured -- 7 012 (1.1%)
---Indian -- 5 893 (0.9%)
---White -- 92 210 (14.0%)
------Afrikaners -- 78 461 (11.9%)
------English -- 12 184 (1.9%)

Bloemfontein
---Black -- 534 453 (82.8%)
---Coloured -- 31 922 (4.9%)
---Indian -- 1 015 (0.2%)
---White -- 78 048 (12.1%)
------Afrikaners -- 69 257 (10.7%)
------English -- 8 045 (1.2%)

Thohoyandou
---Black -- 578 525 (99.6%)
---Coloured -- 284 (0.0%)
---Indian -- 1 573 (0.3%)
---White -- 449 (0.1%)
------Afrikaners -- 221 (0.0%)
------English -- 139 (0.0%)

Pietermaritzburg
---Black -- 424 654 (76.8%)
---Coloured -- 18 408 (3.3%)
---Indian -- 64 819 (11.7%)
---White -- 44 958 (8.1%)
------Afrikaners -- 8 398 (1.5%)
------English -- 35 987 (6.5%)

Pietersburg
---Black -- 469 691 (92.4%)
---Coloured -- 4 201 (0.8%)
---Indian -- 3 144 (0.6%)
---White -- 31 239 (6.1%)
------Afrikaners -- 26 569 (5.2%)
------English -- 4 263 (0.8%)

Bushbuckridge
---Black -- 496 715 (99.7%)
---Coloured -- 799 (0.2%)
---Indian -- 90 (0.0%)
---White -- 357 (0.1%)
------Afrikaners -- 142 (0.0%)
------English -- 156 (0.0%)

Louis Trichardt
---Black -- 482 350 (97.4%)
---Coloured -- 1 235 (0.2%)
---Indian -- 1 328 (0.3%)
---White -- 10 347 (2.1%)
------Afrikaners -- 9 122 (1.8%)
------English -- 1 099 (0.2%)

Nelspruit
---Black -- 443 654 (93.1%)
---Coloured -- 3 813 (0.8%)
---Indian -- 1 539 (0.3%)
---White -- 27 588 (5.8%)
------Afrikaners -- 19 239 (4.0%)
------English -- 7 950 (1.7%)

Umtata
---Black -- 412 115 (99.0%)
---Coloured -- 2 257 (0.5%)
---Indian -- 558 (0.1%)
---White -- 1 415 (0.3%)
------Afrikaners -- 403 (0.1%)
------English -- 896 (0.2%)

Welkom
---Black -- 356 099 (87.2%)
---Coloured -- 8 906 (2.2%)
---Indian -- 468 (0.1%)
---White -- 42 696 (10.5%)
------Afrikaners -- 36 159 (8.9%)
------English -- 6 065 (1.5%)

Rustenburg
---Black -- 336 689 (87.0%)
---Coloured -- 2 550 (0.7%)
---Indian -- 1 916 (0.5%)
---White -- 45 943 (11.9%)
------Afrikaners -- 39 408 (10.2%)
------English -- 5 795 (1.5%)

Tzaneen
---Black -- 366 544 (97.6%)
---Coloured -- 693 (0.2%)
---Indian -- 315 (0.1%)
---White -- 8 033 (2.1%)
------Afrikaners -- 6 037 (1.6%)
------English -- 1 885 (0.5%)

Harrismith
---Black -- 355 425 (98.5%)
---Coloured -- 421 (0.1%)
---Indian -- 394 (0.1%)
---White -- 4 548 (1.3%)
------Afrikaners -- 3 795 (1.1%)
------English -- 682 (0.2%)

Klerksdorp
---Black -- 283 848 (79.0%)
---Coloured -- 10 005 (2.8%)
---Indian -- 1 330 (0.4%)
---White -- 64 020 (17.8%)
------Afrikaners -- 55 979 (15.6%)
------English -- 7 625 (2.1%)

Brits
---Black -- 315 519 (91.0%)
---Coloured -- 2 560 (0.8%)
---Indian -- 1 152 (0.3%)
---White -- 27 442 (7.9%)
------Afrikaners -- 24 559 (7.1%)
------English -- 2 554 (0.7%)

Komatiepoort
---Black -- 329 590 (98.6%)
---Coloured -- 591 (0.2%)
---Indian -- 222 (0.1%)
---White -- 4 017 (1.2%)
------Afrikaners -- 3 268 (1.0%)
------English -- 697 (0.2%)

Newcastle
---Black -- 302 581 (90.9%)
---Coloured -- 2 243 (0.7%)
---Indian -- 10 130 (3.0%)
---White -- 18 027 (5.4%)
------Afrikaners -- 13 327 (4.0%)
------English -- 4 405 (1.3%)

Potgietersrus
---Black -- 285 279 (95.6%)
---Coloured -- 268 (0.1%)
---Indian -- 940 (0.3%)
---White -- 11 950 (4.0%)
------Afrikaners -- 11 116 (3.7%)
------English -- 766 (0.3%)

Krugersdorp
---Black -- 220 037 (75.9%)
---Coloured -- 2 089 (0.7%)
---Indian -- 6 457 (2.2%)
---White -- 61 252 (21.1%)
------Afrikaners -- 44 600 (15.4%)
------English -- 15 995 (5.5%)

Note the figures for Johannesburg Municipality and Johannesburg Metro (and PWV as well). Analysing only the White community, we could say that Johannesburg is an English island surrounded by an Afrikaners' ocean.:)

Into Jo'burg demographics:

JOHANNESBURG
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/7053/johannesburg50wz1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Area: 1 644.959 Km²

Population: 3 225 308 (Census 2001)

Density: 1 960.72 hab/Km²

Languages:
Afrikaans --- 260 820
English --- 627 531
IsiNdebele --- 28 782
IsiXhosa --- 247 863
IsiZulu --- 822 177
Sepedi --- 240 653
Sesotho --- 354 050
Setswana --- 293 355
SiSwati --- 31 284
Tshivenda --- 86 501
Xitsonga --- 189 748
Other --- 42 537

Ethnic Groups:
Black --- 2 369 767
Coloured --- 206 246
Indian/Asian --- 134 109
White --- 515 184


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And now, number of some Census Wards:

RANDBURG

Area: 133.07 Km²

Population: 176 830 (Census 2001)

Density: 1 328.85 hab/Km²

Languages:
Afrikaans --- 26 398
English --- 103 909
IsiNdebele --- 1 717
IsiXhosa --- 4 617
IsiZulu --- 9 863
Sepedi --- 7 073
Sesotho --- 4 641
Setswana --- 8 871
SiSwati --- 850
Tshivenda --- 2 751
Xitsonga --- 2 250
Other --- 3 893

Ethnic Groups:
Black --- 48 462
Coloured --- 3 516
Indian/Asian --- 7 205
White --- 117 647

Census Wards: 89, 98, 99, 100, 101, 102, 104



SOWETO

Area: 105.64 Km²

Population: 982 316 (Census 2001)

Density: 9 298.71 hab/Km²

Languages:
Afrikaans --- 15 701
English --- 5 529
IsiNdebele --- 3 746
IsiXhosa --- 86 434
IsiZulu --- 387 801
Sepedi --- 54 673
Sesotho --- 165 265
Setswana --- 140 130
SiSwati --- 9 387
Tshivenda --- 36 181
Xitsonga --- 75 058
Other --- 2 419

Ethnic Groups:
Black --- 963 968
Coloured --- 17 849
Indian/Asian --- 257
White --- 242

Census Wards: 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 19, 20, 21, 22, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 45, 46, 47, 48, 51, 52

Interesting Table from wikipedia :)


Rank_____City________Population_Annual Growth Rate_Population in 2050
1____Johannesburg___8,837,000______2.47%_____________19,750,000
2____Cape Town_____3,653,000______1.43%______________6,264,000
3____Durban________.3,192,000______1.36%______________5,362,000
4____Port Elizabeth___1,572,000______0.41%______________1,894,000
5____East London____.958,000_______.0.32%_____________.1,111,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_areas_in_South_Africa

20 million in johnnesburg is to much people.

I wonder how long it will take for Durban and Pietermaritzburg to grow into each other to form a super metro down here?

^^ Where's Pretoria? Did they lump that with Johannesburg? Because, actually Pretoria is our 4th largest city, not PE.

I wonder how long it will take for Durban and Pietermaritzburg to grow into each other to form a super metro down here?

Probably not for a long time as most development in that area is along the coast.

^^ Where's Pretoria? Did they lump that with Johannesburg? Because, actually Pretoria is our 4th largest city, not PE.

Ye, that must be the whole of gauteng put together, or atleast the PWV.

^^ Where's Pretoria? Did they lump that with Johannesburg? Because, actually Pretoria is our 4th largest city, not PE.

They shouldn't just lump them together they are different cities. :bash:

I'm always visiting the SA Statiscal Offices, and I also elaborated some lists as well. However in the case of Johannesburg, besides East Rand, I included West Rand too. There's also a PWV, including the whole Gauteng, Sasolburg (Orange Free State), Delmas (Mpumalanga), Brits and Carletonville (both on North West).

Population (Estimate 2007)

PWV --- 11 243 888
1. Johannesburg --- 7 151 447
---Johannesburg: 3 888 180
---East Rand: 2 724 229
---West Rand: 539 038
2. Cape Town ---3 497 097
3. Durban --- 3 468 086
4. Pretoria --- 2 345 908
5. Port Elizabeth --- 1 050 930
6. Bloemfontein --- 752 906
7. East London --- 724 312
8. Vereeniging --- 650 867
9. Pietermaritzburg --- 616 730
10. Thohoyandou --- 602 819
11. Pietersburg --- 561 772
12. Nelspruit --- 527 203


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Population (Census 2001)

PWV --- 9 908 190
1. Johannesburg --- 6 237 616
---Johannesburg --- 3 225 309
---East Rand --- 2 478 629
---West Rand --- 533 676
2. Durban --- 3 090 123
3. Cape Town --- 2 892 242
4. Pretoria --- 1 982 235
5. Port Elizabeth --- 1 005 784
6. East London --- 702 280
7. Vereeniging --- 658 420
8. Bloemfontein --- 645 438
9. Thohoyandou --- 580 831
10. Pietermaritzburg --- 552 839
11. Pietersburg --- 508 275
12. Bushbuckridge --- 497 961
13. Louis Trichardt --- 495 260
14. Nelspruit --- 476 594
15. Umtata --- 416 345
16. Welkom -- 408 169
17. Rustenburg --- 387 098
18. Tzaneen --- 375 585
19. Harrismith --- 360 788
20. Klerksdorp --- 359 203
21. Brits --- 346 673
22. Komatiepoort --- 334 420
23. Newcastle --- 332 981
24. Potgietersrus --- 298 437
25. Krugersdorp --- 289 835


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Ethnic Groups (Census 2001)

PWV
---Black -- 7 522 363 (75.9%)
---Coloured -- 343 376 (3.5%)
---Indian -- 219 560 (2.2%)
---White -- 1 822 891 (18.4%)
------Afrikaners -- 1 062 072 (10.7%)
------English -- 725 712 (7.3%)

Johannesburg-Rand
---Black -- 4 670 847 (74.9%)
---Coloured -- 288 985 (4.6%)
---Indian -- 180 612 (2.9%)
---White -- 1 097 172 (17.6%)
------Afrikaners -- 468 265 (7.5%)
------English -- 605 444 (9.7%)
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Johannesburg
---Black -- 2 369 768 (73.5%)
---Coloured -- 206 249 (6.4%)
---Indian -- 134 108 (4.2%)
---White -- 515 184 (16.0%)
------Afrikaners -- 134 273 (4.2%)
------English -- 366 565 (11.4%)
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East Rand
---Black -- 1 890 075 (76.3%)
---Coloured -- 66 807 (2.7%)
---Indian -- 39 663 (1.6%)
---White -- 482 084 (19.4%)
------Afrikaners -- 256 578 (10.4%)
------English -- 217 495 (8.8%)
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West Rand
---Black -- 411 001 (77.0%)
---Coloured -- 15 930 (3.0%)
---Indian -- 6 843 (1.3%)
---White -- 99 902 (18.7%)
------Afrikaners -- 77 414 (14.5%)
------English -- 21 384 (4.0%)

Durban
---Black -- 2 110 581 (68.3%)
---Coloured -- 87 279 (2.8%)
---Indian -- 614 836 (19.9%)
---White -- 277 427 (9.0%)
------Afrikaners -- 37 988 (1.2%)
------English -- 235 555 (7.6%)

Cape Town
---Black -- 916 459 (31.7%)
---Coloured -- 1 391 858 (48.1%)
---Indian -- 41 485 (1.4%)
---White -- 542 440 (18.8%)
------Afrikaners -- 223 956 (7.7%)
------English -- 309 368 (10.7%)

Pretoria
---Black -- 1 439 021 (72.6%)
---Coloured -- 38 707 (2.0%)
---Indian -- 30 127 (1.5%)
---White -- 474 380 (23.9%)
------Afrikaners -- 380 451 (19.2%)
------English -- 85 685 (4.3%)

Port Elizabeth
---Black -- 592 357 (58.9%)
---Coloured -- 236 161 (23.5%)
---Indian -- 11 237 (1.1%)
---White -- 166 029 (16.5%)
------Afrikaners -- 90 260 (9.0%)
------English -- 74 504 (7.4%)

East London
---Black -- 598 694 (85.3%)
---Coloured -- 40 003 (5.7%)
---Indian -- 4 377 (0.6%)
---White -- 59 206 (8.4%)
------Afrikaners -- 11 069 (1.6%)
------English -- 47 417 (6.8%)

Vereeniging
---Black -- 553 305 (84.0%)
---Coloured -- 7 012 (1.1%)
---Indian -- 5 893 (0.9%)
---White -- 92 210 (14.0%)
------Afrikaners -- 78 461 (11.9%)
------English -- 12 184 (1.9%)

Bloemfontein
---Black -- 534 453 (82.8%)
---Coloured -- 31 922 (4.9%)
---Indian -- 1 015 (0.2%)
---White -- 78 048 (12.1%)
------Afrikaners -- 69 257 (10.7%)
------English -- 8 045 (1.2%)

Thohoyandou
---Black -- 578 525 (99.6%)
---Coloured -- 284 (0.0%)
---Indian -- 1 573 (0.3%)
---White -- 449 (0.1%)
------Afrikaners -- 221 (0.0%)
------English -- 139 (0.0%)

Pietermaritzburg
---Black -- 424 654 (76.8%)
---Coloured -- 18 408 (3.3%)
---Indian -- 64 819 (11.7%)
---White -- 44 958 (8.1%)
------Afrikaners -- 8 398 (1.5%)
------English -- 35 987 (6.5%)

Pietersburg
---Black -- 469 691 (92.4%)
---Coloured -- 4 201 (0.8%)
---Indian -- 3 144 (0.6%)
---White -- 31 239 (6.1%)
------Afrikaners -- 26 569 (5.2%)
------English -- 4 263 (0.8%)

Bushbuckridge
---Black -- 496 715 (99.7%)
---Coloured -- 799 (0.2%)
---Indian -- 90 (0.0%)
---White -- 357 (0.1%)
------Afrikaners -- 142 (0.0%)
------English -- 156 (0.0%)

Louis Trichardt
---Black -- 482 350 (97.4%)
---Coloured -- 1 235 (0.2%)
---Indian -- 1 328 (0.3%)
---White -- 10 347 (2.1%)
------Afrikaners -- 9 122 (1.8%)
------English -- 1 099 (0.2%)

Nelspruit
---Black -- 443 654 (93.1%)
---Coloured -- 3 813 (0.8%)
---Indian -- 1 539 (0.3%)
---White -- 27 588 (5.8%)
------Afrikaners -- 19 239 (4.0%)
------English -- 7 950 (1.7%)

Umtata
---Black -- 412 115 (99.0%)
---Coloured -- 2 257 (0.5%)
---Indian -- 558 (0.1%)
---White -- 1 415 (0.3%)
------Afrikaners -- 403 (0.1%)
------English -- 896 (0.2%)

Welkom
---Black -- 356 099 (87.2%)
---Coloured -- 8 906 (2.2%)
---Indian -- 468 (0.1%)
---White -- 42 696 (10.5%)
------Afrikaners -- 36 159 (8.9%)
------English -- 6 065 (1.5%)

Rustenburg
---Black -- 336 689 (87.0%)
---Coloured -- 2 550 (0.7%)
---Indian -- 1 916 (0.5%)
---White -- 45 943 (11.9%)
------Afrikaners -- 39 408 (10.2%)
------English -- 5 795 (1.5%)

Tzaneen
---Black -- 366 544 (97.6%)
---Coloured -- 693 (0.2%)
---Indian -- 315 (0.1%)
---White -- 8 033 (2.1%)
------Afrikaners -- 6 037 (1.6%)
------English -- 1 885 (0.5%)

Harrismith
---Black -- 355 425 (98.5%)
---Coloured -- 421 (0.1%)
---Indian -- 394 (0.1%)
---White -- 4 548 (1.3%)
------Afrikaners -- 3 795 (1.1%)
------English -- 682 (0.2%)

Klerksdorp
---Black -- 283 848 (79.0%)
---Coloured -- 10 005 (2.8%)
---Indian -- 1 330 (0.4%)
---White -- 64 020 (17.8%)
------Afrikaners -- 55 979 (15.6%)
------English -- 7 625 (2.1%)

Brits
---Black -- 315 519 (91.0%)
---Coloured -- 2 560 (0.8%)
---Indian -- 1 152 (0.3%)
---White -- 27 442 (7.9%)
------Afrikaners -- 24 559 (7.1%)
------English -- 2 554 (0.7%)

Komatiepoort
---Black -- 329 590 (98.6%)
---Coloured -- 591 (0.2%)
---Indian -- 222 (0.1%)
---White -- 4 017 (1.2%)
------Afrikaners -- 3 268 (1.0%)
------English -- 697 (0.2%)

Newcastle
---Black -- 302 581 (90.9%)
---Coloured -- 2 243 (0.7%)
---Indian -- 10 130 (3.0%)
---White -- 18 027 (5.4%)
------Afrikaners -- 13 327 (4.0%)
------English -- 4 405 (1.3%)

Potgietersrus
---Black -- 285 279 (95.6%)
---Coloured -- 268 (0.1%)
---Indian -- 940 (0.3%)
---White -- 11 950 (4.0%)
------Afrikaners -- 11 116 (3.7%)
------English -- 766 (0.3%)

Krugersdorp
---Black -- 220 037 (75.9%)
---Coloured -- 2 089 (0.7%)
---Indian -- 6 457 (2.2%)
---White -- 61 252 (21.1%)
------Afrikaners -- 44 600 (15.4%)
------English -- 15 995 (5.5%)

^^
I just added the last 4 cities in the list. Looking forward to 2011 Census!

I love it that they separte whites from Afrikaners, whats the difference, dont both come from Europe?

^^
Who are "they"? Well, the difference is Afrikaners speak Afrikaans and English speak English.

The Afrikaners and the English are also very separated on geographical basis. While the English-speaking are heavily concentrated in 3 specific points: Cape Town (Southern Suburbs), Durban and Johannesburg (Northern Suburbs) and also along Indian coast, Afrikaners, however, are spread all around the country, except for Natal seabord and the old Bantustans.

Taking as an example, Johannesburg Municipality, Johannesburg Metro and PWV, we can say Johannesburg is an "English island" (Jo'burg Northern suburbs) surrounded by an "Afrikaners' ocean" (East and West Rands, Pretoria, Vaal Triangle). So, the white community are separated even inside the same city. Aside Johannesburg, Cape Town and Port Elizabeth are the only cities where there are huge numbers of both Afrikaners and English living in. In Cape Town, the English live basically on the southern suburbs, while the Afrikaners on the northern and eastern suburbs on the way to the vineyard areas, which are basically Afrikaner as the rest of South Africa countryside. In Port Elizabeth, the English live on the suburbs closer to the ocean, while the Afrikaners on the internal suburbs, around the former Uitenhage city.

And in Durban if you see an Afrikaaner you ask them how they are enjoying their holiday here.

^^
That's true. Durban is very British indeed, the best synthesis of the British Empire: British, Indians and Africans.

Anyway, back in Cape Town, I studied on CBD, but lived in southern suburbs which are very very English. Aside the Coloureds, I don't remember hearing people speaking Afrikaans in those areas. On Paarl is the opposite: only Afrikaners and Coloureds, so Afrikaans stands alone.

Interestingly enough however, my host-mother (married with an Englishman) was an anglicized-Afrikaner. My classmate host-mother, also living in southern suburbs, was an anglicized-Afrikaner too. She was a very interesting character, a kind of hippie middle-aged wine-drunk woman, who dropped Afrikaans, as she told me, after the 1976 riots. However, she still felt very attached to the language, as I could notice it while she showed me her impressive Afrikaans library. Anyway, I know it's only my personal experience, but it seems to be a lot of anglicized-Afrikaners on the Cape Town's southern suburbs.

^^ I have two Afrikaanse friends who can barely speak the language. So yes, Southern Suburbs: heavily anglicized.

^^
My English teacher back in Cape Town, daughter of an English father and an Afrikaner mother, said to us she forgot the language (!). And that's in Cape Town, where half of the people speaks Afrikaans as first language.

Yes, Southern Subs very VERY English, which is why I live here :P Can't speak a work of Afrikaans!

I love it that they separte whites from Afrikaners, whats the difference, dont both come from Europe?

They do not separate whites from Afrikaners, they break white numbers into Afrikaans and English - if you sum the numbers you will see they add up. :) There are heaps of Afrikaners in Durban - they just speak perfect English.

Apparently Pretoria has the highest GDP per capita

Makes sense since it is full of civil servants!

They do not separate whites from Afrikaners, they break white numbers into Afrikaans and English - if you sum the numbers you will see they add up. :) There are heaps of Afrikaners in Durban - they just speak perfect English.

Really???? Hmmm with only 1 odd percent having it as home lanuage I would think you are wrong you basically never here it in durban.

Actually, there are 5 people in my company alone (who I know of) who speak Afrikaans as a first language (and another who just left). This is approx 2% of our workforce. This is not necessarily representative of the rest of Durbs, but I think that as job and accomodation (as 2nd / vacation home) opportunities open in Durban, we will find more Afrikaners moving and living here.

An article in today's Sunday Tribune, citing the latest population stats released by the Bureau of Market Research, ranks Durban as the country's most populated municipality (3.7m). KZN is ranked first in the country out of the 9 provinces with 10.7m vs 2nd place Gauteng with just under 9.2m. Western Cape is ranked 5th (behind Eastern Cape and Limpopo) with just under 6m.

^^Obviously the KZN economy will not surpass Gauteng's in the near future, but based on it's population and geography, DBN will be an economic powerfouse over the next decade and a half...

Actually, there are 5 people in my company alone (who I know of) who speak Afrikaans as a first language (and another who just left). This is approx 2% of our workforce. This is not necessarily representative of the rest of Durbs, but I think that as job and accomodation (as 2nd / vacation home) opportunities open in Durban, we will find more Afrikaners moving and living here.

Please let them learn English first!

^^Obviously the KZN economy will not surpass Gauteng's in the near future, but based on it's population and geography, DBN will be an economic powerfouse over the next decade and a half...

ONLY if we educate the totally uneducated rural masses. The global trend is towards coastal economies and coastal migration, i do not see us missing that trend

The next census will be interesting. That Bureau of Market Research report is contrary to other reports which indicate that Gauteng's population now exceeds KZN's and that CT and Joburg's populations are increasing at the fastest rate.

^^ and thats the problem. All the studies have vastly different views and sizing. quite scary

The next census will be interesting. That Bureau of Market Research report is contrary to other reports which indicate that Gauteng's population now exceeds KZN's and that CT and Joburg's populations are increasing at the fastest rate.

I suspect Gauteng has overtaken KZN. If so, this will have vast implication re: revenue sharing formula of the provinces in future budgets.