Its good that the project went to AP. The government should shift focus to other sectors.

Its good that the project went to AP. The government should shift focus to other sectors.

Hyundai may steer third plant to Gujarat








K. Giriprakash

Bangalore, Nov 18

Hyundai Motors may be looking at Gujarat as a location for its next plant in India. The company already has two plants in Kanchipuram district, Tamil Nadu.

Three top Hyundai Motors officials are reliably learnt to have made a presentation on Thursday to top Gujarat Government officials who had come to Bangalore with their road show.

According to industry sources, Hyundai will require about 500 acres, and an additional 200-300 acres for vendors, for its third plant which may entail a direct investment of approximately Rs 4,000 crore.

It is learnt that the Gujarat Government is keen on getting Hyundai setting up its next plant in the State and has agreed in principle to provide the infrastructure support needed.

Hyundai Motors, which is trying to resolve labour issues at its two plants near Chennai, is conducting a feasibility study to decide on a location for its next plant. It is learnt that while it is not against setting up another plant in Tamil Nadu itself, or even in neighbouring Andhra Pradesh, Gujarat would offer the car-maker better access to markets in north and western India, sources in the industry said.

Also, there is proximity to ports for exports. Another factor that may favour Gujarat is that companies here are not mandated to recognise labour unions. Tamil Nadu, on the other hand, is mulling over enacting a law that requires companies to have a registered and recognised labour union as Maharashtra and West Bengal do.

The capacity at the existing plants running in three shifts currently is over 6 lakh units a year, and Hyundai has invested about Rs 9,000 crore in these units while the vendors have invested about Rs 4,000 crore. While Hyundai's employee strength is about 10,000, the vendor companies have created over 80,000 jobs.


Hyundai has about 20 per cent market share in the country and earns about $2 billion annually from exports. Incidentally, Hyundai is the largest exporter of cars from India.

Hyundai expects to decide on the plant location as well as capacity and investments within the next two quarters, as the new plant will take two years to go on stream.

However, the company is expected to decide on its new diesel engine plant in the next two months during which the feasibility study would be completed.

source:http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2010/11/19/stories/2010111953510100.htm

Its good that the project went to AP. The government should shift focus to other sectors.

Like what? This is our competency and we are losing guaranteed investments which would otherwise come naturally due to useless policies of the government. The state government is totally to blame if Hyundai goes elsewhere.

Over reliance on a particular industry is very harmful in the long term. Its not a question of competency.

^^Yes we need to have a diversified portfolio. But losing Hyundai will adversely affect the image of Chennai (in relation to it being Auto Hub) - The SG should step in and resolve the labour/union issues instead of allowing Hyundai and others to move to other States. We should have the tag of being the Most Favoured Destination for Automobile sector.

yes we already lost nano plant, volkswagen n almost peugeot now... this s not fair.. lets hope some change after elections

I don't see logic in Hyundai building all factories in one city. It already has 2 factories in chennai. Its time the government stops giving land for automobile factories in chennai and focus on tier 2 cities to set up these factories. At this point, almost all the top automobile manufacturers have a presence in India. So, the gov. should focus on other sectors like green energy, pharma, etc.

Over reliance on a particular industry is very harmful in the long term. Its not a question of competency.

I don't see logic in Hyundai building all factories in one city. It already has 2 factories in chennai. Its time the government stops giving land for automobile factories in chennai and focus on tier 2 cities to set up these factories. At this point, almost all the top automobile manufacturers have a presence in India. So, the gov. should focus on other sectors like green energy, pharma, etc.


There is no over reliance on one industry in Chennai. Hardly 3 - 4% of our population is in auto industry. Thats not over reliance. We are 2nd in S/W exports, top in medical tourism and so on. Infact we are one of the most diversified in India. Anyway if we want to support some industries, it doesn’t mean we have to end support to other industries. We can support auto, pharma (which we have in decent numbers), renewable energy (again we have the largest concentration of wind mill manufacturers) all in the same city. It doesn’t mean we have to discourage Hyundai so that some other industry will come here. Its actually the other way round. What you are saying is Irukaratha vitutu parakaratha pudikara katha.

Anyway I am not deluded enough to think that the political parties (mainly the Communists and DMK) are making a ruckus in Hyundai and other factories so that renewable energy and pharma companies will come and invest here. They are doing it for short term political gain and its going to affect the image of TN big time. Infact if anything, Hyundai has shown so much social responsibility and has always been a preferred employer. Japanese and Koreans have preferred South India and in particular Chennai. Its time we reciprocate it and allow them to do business here.

And forget about promoting tier 2 cities for auto companies. Its never going to happen. They choose Chennai for a reason – PORT. So if you want auto investments, it’s either in Chennai or outside TN.

Remember, I am not getting into political fights here. I know ADMK was responsible for missing out on VW. But if Hyundai goes away, we have nothing but the current government to blame. I hope they do something and convince Hyundai to start their 3rd factory here. I cant accept that “it doesn’t make sense for a company to have all its plants in one place”. If it doesn’t, then they wouldn’t have considered it in the first place. If Maruti can have 5-6 plants and produce 15 lac vehicles in one place, (that too away from a port) why not Hyundai?

I dont think Hyundai can go outside.. Sure our state government convinence them.. Previous news Mr. Rajeev ranjan told about hyundai looking for third plant... they definitly aware about these thing.. we cant make sure about investments happening in a particular place with intermediate news.. lot of examples.. eg) VW.. peugeot(saying chennai last week.. AP this week..):nuts:

There is no over reliance on one industry in Chennai. Hardly 3 - 4% of our population is in auto industry. Thats not over reliance. We are 2nd in S/W exports, top in medical tourism and so on. Infact we are one of the most diversified in India. Anyway if we want to support some industries, it doesn’t mean we have to end support to other industries. We can support auto, pharma (which we have in decent numbers), renewable energy (again we have the largest concentration of wind mill manufacturers) all in the same city. It doesn’t mean we have to discourage Hyundai so that some other industry will come here. Its actually the other way round. What you are saying is Irukaratha vitutu parakaratha pudikara katha.

Anyway I am not deluded enough to think that the political parties (mainly the Communists and DMK) are making a ruckus in Hyundai and other factories so that renewable energy and pharma companies will come and invest here. They are doing it for short term political gain and its going to affect the image of TN big time. Infact if anything, Hyundai has shown so much social responsibility and has always been a preferred employer. Japanese and Koreans have preferred South India and in particular Chennai. Its time we reciprocate it and allow them to do business here.

And forget about promoting tier 2 cities for auto companies. Its never going to happen. They choose Chennai for a reason – PORT. So if you want auto investments, it’s either in Chennai or outside TN.

Remember, I am not getting into political fights here. I know ADMK was responsible for missing out on VW. But if Hyundai goes away, we have nothing but the current government to blame. I hope they do something and convince Hyundai to start their 3rd factory here. I cant accept that “it doesn’t make sense for a company to have all its plants in one place”. If it doesn’t, then they wouldn’t have considered it in the first place. If Maruti can have 5-6 plants and produce 15 lac vehicles in one place, (that too away from a port) why not Hyundai?


U stole my words , Shyam :)

We are already diverse and we need to strengthen it ...

According to me King of all trades is better than Jack of all trades or King of one ;) Hard but achievable , and i can see Chennai will do if guided properly

And Hyundai, i dont think they will go for another place . When u and ur component supplier base gets settled in a place it is very difficult to shift ...!

For e.g Asahi and Saint gobain are supplying glass panels for hyundai in JIT format ..This cannot b done if they are moving ... (acc. to my knowledge there is no big MNC glass industry in gujarat )

So lets hope, a little pull of the string from TN govt side could easily make things happen

U stole my words , Shyam :)

Thiruda Thiruda :).. Well that could be Shyam or Modi..

I used to question the initial focus we had when attracting Ford and Hyundai. A very successful industrialist explained me that there are two major industries - Auto and Petrochemical, have huge multiplier effects. Take Hyundai for example, how many industries it pulled in. Software doesnt have it. (Hey we should still aim for being #1 in IT though).

The total apathy to the realistic problems on ground is what characterizes our governments. (irrespective of state or center or parties). For how many years, Hyundai has been fooled with the promised Railroad link. Add up all the costs that they could have saved to reinvest (Even if it meant to give its employers some little bit extra).

We are far from providing the basic infrastructure (We cant be sleeping .. we got two ports..). Instead of canvassing other states like Modi does or visiting foreign countries to get ideas to clean coovum for the next millenia, the primary focus should be to give exceptional advantages to the ones who are already here. Provide them with such good service and infrastructure, that the state becomes an FDI magnate.

It is one thing to call funny labels.. Detroit of Asia or India's Shenzhen.. stop daydreaming and work.. ACTION ALONE WILL SUFFICE... before the nightmares begin (like Hyundai leaving or others not coming). The Government machinery is all emulating Devegowda's Parlimentary session, I suppose.. Asleep at the wheels..:bash:

Time to remind the greatest words from a great saint..

ARISE, AWAKE, STOP NOT TILL THE GOAL IS REACHED - Swami Vivekananda

The goal is to still far.. its not achieving more FDI.. its not being on top of some chart..

Bharathiyar said it concisely.. "Thani oru manithanukku unavillai yenil jagathinai azhithiduvom".. The overall societal upliftment..WE ARE ALL EQUALLY RESPONSIBLE.

U stole my words , Shyam :)

We are already diverse and we need to strengthen it ...

According to me King of all trades is better than Jack of all trades or King of one ;) Hard but achievable , and i can see Chennai will do if guided properly

And Hyundai, i dont think they will go for another place . When u and ur component supplier base gets settled in a place it is very difficult to shift ...!

For e.g Asahi and Saint gobain are supplying glass panels for hyundai in JIT format ..This cannot b done if they are moving ... (acc. to my knowledge there is no big MNC glass industry in gujarat )

So lets hope, a little pull of the string from TN govt side could easily make things happen

Exactly, its not as if we have to match Gujarat sop for sop to bring them here. Its their default decision. We just have to leave them alone and allow them to operate and I am sure they have no reason to leave Chennai. They have social reasons too. We have a sizable Korean expat population and Kilpauk area is called little Korea. Anyday they will prefer Chennai to other cities if only we remove the pinpricks. I hope people dont play petty politics and spoil it. It is much more than just an investment.

Thiruda Thiruda :).. Well that could be Shyam or Modi..

I used to question the initial focus we had when attracting Ford and Hyundai. A very successful industrialist explained me that there are two major industries - Auto and Petrochemical, have huge multiplier effects. Take Hyundai for example, how many industries it pulled in. Software doesnt have it. (Hey we should still aim for being #1 in IT though).

The total apathy to the realistic problems on ground is what characterizes our governments. (irrespective of state or center or parties). For how many years, Hyundai has been fooled with the promised Railroad link. Add up all the costs that they could have saved to reinvest (Even if it meant to give its employers some little bit extra).

We are far from providing the basic infrastructure (We cant be sleeping .. we got two ports..). Instead of canvassing other states like Modi does or visiting foreign countries to get ideas to clean coovum for the next millenia, the primary focus should be to give exceptional advantages to the ones who are already here. Provide them with such good service and infrastructure, that the state becomes an FDI magnate.

It is one thing to call funny labels.. Detroit of Asia or India's Shenzhen.. stop daydreaming and work.. ACTION ALONE WILL SUFFICE... before the nightmares begin (like Hyundai leaving or others not coming). The Government machinery is all emulating Devegowda's Parlimentary session, I suppose.. Asleep at the wheels..:bash:

Time to remind the greatest words from a great saint..

ARISE, AWAKE, STOP NOT TILL THE GOAL IS REACHED - Swami Vivekananda

The goal is to still far.. its not achieving more FDI.. its not being on top of some chart..

Bharathiyar said it concisely.. "Thani oru manithanukku unavillai yenil jagathinai azhithiduvom".. The overall societal upliftment..WE ARE ALL EQUALLY RESPONSIBLE.

+1

The whole SPD/Oragadam belt needs a freight corridor. Considering the apathy shown by IR and with their spectacular speed of project completion record, it will need special push from the part of SG to get a railway line there in atleast the next 10 years.

+1

The whole SPD/Oragadam belt needs a freight corridor. Considering the apathy shown by IR and with their spectacular speed of project completion record, it will need special push from the part of SG to get a railway line there in atleast the next 10 years.

The SG party has been having representation at the central government for now 6.5 + years.. and this issue has been there for almost 15-20 years.

Cant we create a positive pressure on the CG, by identifying a route and even partially sharing the land costs or being to acquire the lands for that purpose. This will put so much pressure on the CG that they have no option but to announce something to save their face.

Our politicians are too busy scheming the next scam or wedding or working on election alliances that they dont have any time for any creative thinking.

Why cant we as public announce our own election manifesto - a list of wants.. this should be a focussed list like Rail link to SP-Oragadam . The parties that wont work for these interests, should be boycotted at the polls.

yes we already lost nano plant, volkswagen n almost peugeot now... this s not fair.. lets hope some change after elections

There may be a future Nano plant in South TN.

There may be a future Nano plant in South TN.

Great News Kannan. Do you have any ideas/suggestions for getting a Rail link to Sriperumbudur ? Anything we can do.. Kannan ??

Great News Kannan. Do you have any ideas/suggestions for getting a Rail link to Sriperumbudur ? Anything we can do.. Kannan ??

Railway Feasibility Report is against laying a new line. They have suggested a branch link to Sriperumpudhur from Avadi Arakkonam main line.

There is a possibility of Chenglepet - Kancheepuram (Existing) - Sriperumpudhur. But that may not serve the Poonamallee SP corridor.

Port Connectivity looks economically sustainable. Hyundai and Nokia should force the Govts at state & centre.

What is tragedy? Having an edge over others and yet letting slip opportunities. TN has brought about this situation through it's own default. The first was, missing IT in 1985 by spurning Texas Instruments. Now, jettisoning well disposed investors.

Nobody can blame Hyundai. For over 10 years they awaited a pledged infrastructure support. They felt cheated. Honouring one's word should be an anchor principle in governance. The investor should manage the industry. But the CM was developing a treacherous dalliance with wildcat strikers. The unkindest cut of all was the slap in the face by flaunting proposed union laws modeled on WB.

Nurturing investments is not CM's forte. How to invent fresh freebies for the impecunious and the unproductive is the obsession. After the slide starts skidding the wheels will be impossible.

^^ Our democratic process is so skewed that dishing out doles is a sufficient and necessary condition to win votes and capture power.

Until the above status quo is changed, politicians are not going to bother about winning investments so much as winning votes through doles.

http://www.thehindu.com/business/companies/article898637.ece

Nissan Motor India, a 100 per cent subsidiary of Nissan Motor, Japan, on Friday inaugurated its field quality and training centres at its manufacturing plant in Oragadam, near here.

Addressing visiting journalists at the plant site, Kiminobu Tokuyama, Managing Director and CEO, Nissan Motor India, said starting from product conception to after-sales service, Nissan was striving to deliver the highest quality and durability in all its vehicles. The field quality centre (FQC) would aim to better understand the needs of Nissan's diverse range of customers and build vehicles with a high level of customer satisfaction.

The 1,500 sq. m. training centre was equipped with world-class equipment and tools. It was aimed at consistently achieving “Fix it right the first time” and all the training courses designed by Nissan Motors, Japan, had been customised for Indian business needs. The centre would provide dealership, technician, product training on Nissan products for dealers/technicians in India.

Mr. Tokuyama said the year 2010 so far had been action-packed for Nissan India. Nissan Micra, which was launched in July, had yielded good results so far. The company began exports also from October this year.

He said “as we continue to penetrate the petrol model into the domestic market with our aggressive growth plans, we are all set to launch the diesel variant of Nissan Micra before Christmas this year.”

Hiroshi Yukinari, GM, Field Quality Improvement Group, Total Customer Satisfaction Function, said this was the seventh such facility for Nissan worldwide. Last year, the company opened similar facilities in China and Brazil. It already had centres in Japan, the U.S. and Europe.

Two pages in no time.You Guys are too emotional. As someone said,Govt. is aware of an Expansion and they will try their best to retain them.

And if for various Business reasons they choose to go elsewhere,it is by choice and one can't do much.

When Hero Honda wanted to expand we all wished, TN should bag it. This is similar.

Relax folks.

http://www.thehindu.com/business/Industry/article898780.ece

The State government will announce an automotive sector specific policy soon to strengthen and deepen the matured manufacturing market, said Principal Secretary, Industries, Rajeev Ranjan, on Friday.

Delivering the keynote address at the fourth edition of Auto Serve 2010 conference, organised by the Confederation of Indian Industry (CII), he said that Tamil Nadu had emerged as the largest automotive manufacturer in the country and had a full eco-system in place. The new policy was being finalised by the State Manufacturing Competitive Council to serve the automotive sector effectively.

About 25 per cent of automobiles and 35 per cent of auto parts were manufactured in the State, and the government was keen on tapping the huge employment potential in the sector. It was also partnering with the private sector for skill development of over a lakh people in various sectors.

R. Seshasayee, past president, CII, called for huge investments in skill development to cope with major changes in the automotive manufacturing sector and the major role India had to play in the world automotive market.

The automotive sector should continue to work together as a networked body to manage and monitor the changes and challenges collectively. Besides, it should build on its capabilities to face the challenges.

Pradipta K. Mohapatra, past chairman, CII-SR, said Tamil Nadu had an annual production capacity for producing 12.8 lakh cars and 3.5 lakh commercial vehicles a year. Last year witnessed production of 5.6 lakh cars.

“Three cars are being produced every minute and one commercial vehicle, every 75 seconds. If we use full capacity, then the car production volume can be doubled. The automotive sector is geared to keep pace with this rapid growth by upgrading the skill levels of people at different levels to deliver enhanced customer satisfaction,'' he said. R. Dinesh, chairman, Auto Serve 2010, said the automotive sector had to take to new technologies and bridge the skill gap of employees. There was need for a new paradigm of public-private partnership for skill development.

To mark the occasion, Mr. Ranjan released a McKinsey report on ‘Opportunities in the Indian automotive aftermarket'.

Along with the conference, a three-day exhibition is also being held.

It showcases the latest technology/solutions in garage and service equipment, tools and auto spare parts, tyre service equipment, vehicle testing, vehicle care products and others.

Two pages in no time.You Guys are too emotional. As someone said,Govt. is aware of an Expansion and they will try their best to retain them.

And if for various Business reasons they choose to go elsewhere,it is by choice and one can't do much.

When Hero Honda wanted to expand we all wished, TN should bag it. This is similar.

Relax folks.

The issue is emotional.. Not because we may not bag a project or two. The issue is much larger and the problem is systemic. If the problem is due to lack of facilities and infrastructure then the issue is not just a mere business decision. The lack of rail (not metro) is a big killer and so far both SG and CG have done nothing much. If you track the last decade, the only time such talk comes is when the railway budget frenzy happens, we keep our antennas perked up for the good news. Instead of passing laws to seek the right to form union, can the government create an environment for prosperity?

Also this passive approach will make a huge difference in the outcome. If you have the potential to be a millionaire or billionaire and if you are content with the former then...its the lack of drive or zeal.. same case here.. we have the potential to be a real Shenzhen class city.. but INFRASTRUCTURE (read Government's PROACTIVE approach) is the key. Hence the emotion.

The govt and the bureaucrats are thinking about winning votes in assy election, so i really think there wont be any big investments till elections(if they sign MOU and if SG changes, then most probably the new govt will cancel/hold the projects signed). Peugeot might be only option.. Already Pune is getting closer to chennai.. Elections at this time is another headache.

Instead of worrying about giving rail link to sriperumbadur which seems like it won't happen for another 5 yrs atleast, why dont the SG try to focus the auto industries towards GST road where already Ford and BMW are established. It is well connected to port via road and rail.. also there are large pockets of land available near and close to GST road area beyond vandalur till tindivanam.. Hyundai can also locate their third plant in these areas... What the govt needs is commitment and a bunch of proactive officials who can canvass cos effectively.. If they can showcase GST road's potential they can forget about infrastructure atleast for time being unlike sriperumbadur/oragadam areas..

Out of curiosity, i am posting this question.. I hope many people remember erstwhile Standard Motor company which was functioning at Perungalathur. That was running well until something happened and the company went bust and closed down.. now shriram group bought that land and converted into SEZ.., now my question is: what was the actual problem for the company to close down..? I heard that Maruti was one of the reason for this problem as the new Standard 2000 car started to overperform Maruti and Sanjay Gandhi had involvement in it, not sure though. (it was one of the company which helped Chennai to achieve this name in the early stages and sadly many labourers committed suicide when the company closed down., I hope senior people like Mr.Kannan who were there when this problem occured can give the correct answer)..

Out of curiosity, i am posting this question.. I hope many people remember erstwhile Standard Motor company which was functioning at Perungalathur. That was running well until something happened and the company went bust and closed down.. now shriram group bought that land and converted into SEZ.., now my question is: what was the actual problem for the company to close down..? I heard that Maruti was one of the reason for this problem as the new Standard 2000 car started to overperform Maruti and Sanjay Gandhi had involvement in it, not sure though. (it was one of the company which helped Chennai to achieve this name in the early stages and sadly many labourers committed suicide when the company closed down., I hope senior people like Mr.Kannan who were there when this problem occured can give the correct answer)..

Youngman don't write rubbish.Standard Motors Mfg standard prefet and herald cars had a very small market.The main car manufacturers then was premier motors of pune mfg Premier models like fiat and padmini which had larger market in western India.Hindustan motors of calcutta were the largest manufacturers of Ambassodor cars with widespread market.Many people in TN/Chennai used to own this car so was the case in other states in the south.Politicians and beauraucrats per force use this model as u even find today in Delhi.Standard motors folded up owing to shrinking sales coupled with the usual labour woes much before maruti came.Infact the advent of Maruti signalled the downfall of Premier motors and Hindustan motors.

Auto Industry has to keep pace with developments elsewhere and should know the pulse of the market to survive, sustain & grow.

Standard Motors, though pioneers in TN refused to reform. The car and van models became obsolete. Maruti's entry was the last straw on the camel's back. It just collapsed. Towards the end, they tried some outdated models from UK (sedans), but did not have the dhum to survive in a competitive market.

But, there are drivers even today eulogizing the Standard Van. Probably, that was the BEST at that time.

The old fashioned Labor force, controlled by political parties never realized that the company has to survive first to give them salaries, bonus etc.

The local Govt punished the owners by helping the striking workers, certainly not with a clean motive. A certain sub community was blamed and punished, simply because they were the fore runners in Auto Industry in TN - both the final products and the Auto components. Out of pure jealousy, TN was put back by a few decades in Auto field.

Meanwhile, Pune and NCR picked up and TN almost lost the bus. Thanks to TVS and other Auto Components manufacturers, international companies opted for Chennai and TN is back on the track.

The other Auto Major - Tatas were never wooed, but rather hounded out of TN by bad policies and local petty politics.

I still wonder, HOW THE AUTO INDUSTRY SURVIVED despite all these.

Thanks to ranga and kannan for the info..

Youngman don't write rubbish.

En indha kola veri sir.. nan theriyadhadhala dana forum la ketten.. oru chinna pullaya pottu ipdi thitreengale.. :ohno:

Austrian loader crane manufacturer Palfinger has set up an assembling facility near Chennai. The company said the facility would cater to domestic and overseas markets including China.

Speaking to reporters after signing a dealership network agreement for South India with T V Sundaram Iyengar & Sons Ltd here today, Subhamoy Ghosh, managing director, Palfinger India Pvtd Ltd, a 100 per cent subsidary of Palfinger, said that the facility would assemble 200 cranes every year and would cater to both domestic and overseas markets.

The company plans to export to countries like China, Thailand, Vietnam and Indonesia and other countries in the Far East. “We are also looking at countries in Africa and the Middle East,” he said.
The company has invested Rs 8 crore in the facility, he said. Palfinger is one of the leading international manufacturers of hydraulic lifting, loading and handling systems. The company has manufacturing units and assembly sites in Europe, North and South America as well in Asia.

Ghosh said T V Sundaram Iyengar & Sons would commence operations immediately and will offer entire range of Palfinger truck-mounted cranes starting from 0.4 meter-ton to 116 meter-tonne in Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh, Karanatka and Kerala markets.

Source: http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/palfinger-cranes-to-be-assembled-in-chennai/415412/

Thanks to ranga and kannan for the info..



En indha kola veri sir.. nan theriyadhadhala dana forum la ketten.. oru chinna pullaya pottu ipdi thitreengale.. :ohno:

Oru verium elle thambi. maruti company mele pazhi podaradu sare alla. elathukum namba tamizhnatu thozhilargal taan karanam.Ennum evangalaku buddi varavillai.Anda sub-community nale dan thirumbium chennai:) automobile hub a mariyadu.:):)

Oru verium elle thambi. maruti company mele pazhi podaradu sare alla. elathukum namba tamizhnatu thozhilargal taan karanam.Ennum evangalaku buddi varavillai.Anda sub-community nale dan thirumbium chennai:) automobile hub a mariyadu.:):)

ungalukku atchebanai illana yaaru andha sub community nu solla mudiuma.. are u mentioning about a caste or family business group..?

Instead of worrying about giving rail link to sriperumbadur which seems like it won't happen for another 5 yrs atleast, why dont the SG try to focus the auto industries towards GST road where already Ford and BMW are established. It is well connected to port via road and rail.. also there are large pockets of land available near and close to GST road area beyond vandalur till tindivanam.. Hyundai can also locate their third plant in these areas... What the govt needs is commitment and a bunch of proactive officials who can canvass cos effectively.. If they can showcase GST road's potential they can forget about infrastructure atleast for time being unlike sriperumbadur/oragadam areas..

Minjur will be a much better option. I dont think there is any land (around 1000 acres) this side of Chengalpet on GST road. But Minjur will have all the advantages of GST road and more. Ennore post is very near, It already has a railway line (Kolkata line), just 30 km from the city centre, land much more cheaper than on GST, it is a terminal for ORR, so there is easy connectivity to all the radial NH's out of Chennai. Its a transport hotspot the potential of which is not yet been tapped. The govt is already procuring land there for ORR, its better if it acquires a few thousand acres more on both sides of it and create a auto SEZ or even a mixed manufacturing SEZ. I am sure investments will pour in.


@ satchitananda
We electorate already have a manifesto. Dont you know? It is 2000 rupees + 1 quarter and 1 kozhi biryani till election day. Yen sir verupethreenga. We get the government we deserve.


@ Kannan
I have a doubt. Are you involved in the following video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAr4UUEPLaA
The name Kannan comes in the credit under "satellite city". Is that you? I noticed you talked about the sri city developer in another thread. So i had this suspicion. Also the name comes under CII Chennai chapter.

Minjur will be a much better option. I dont think there is any land (around 1000 acres) this side of Chengalpet on GST road. But Minjur will have all the advantages of GST road and more. Ennore post is very near, It already has a railway line (Kolkata line), just 30 km from the city centre, land much more cheaper than on GST, it is a terminal for ORR, so there is easy connectivity to all the radial NH's out of Chennai. Its a transport hotspot the potential of which is not yet been tapped. The govt is already procuring land there for ORR, its better if it acquires a few thousand acres more on both sides of it and create a auto SEZ or even a mixed manufacturing SEZ. I am sure investments will pour in.




We can have Green energy manufacturing(like wind mill , solar panel manuf.) , Auto OEMs , Aero park in those north belt areas of Chennai ... Such that even North Chennai will get its proper share of development ...Already Ennore has Ashok leyland .. And minjur has its Product Development centre ...

Only problem we have in Minjur is the travel time it takes for the employees from minjur to city due to traffic .... something has to be done for that

And Rnd development centers for these can be kept in Sri- Oragadam area ...Both for Electronics and Automobile ..We can also bring in more Biotech companies in Sri-Oragadam belt ...

Only problem we have in Minjur is the travel time it takes for the employees from minjur to city due to traffic .... something has to be done for that



Yow Bangaluru prince,

I think Minjur is good spot for large Industries (Including Auto) due to its rail link, Access to Ennore or Chennai Port and cheap land (Comparison to GST & Sriperamputhur)

It is only 27 kms from Chennai and it can use the work force from north Chennai areas like Manali,Thiruvetriour, ennore etc ( who don't have to travel far)

I know you like Sriperamputhur because it is on the route to your new home Bengaluru.Traitor.:lol:

Gummidipoondi will be ideal choice. it has Road & Rail connectivity and some extent of land also available in existing SIPCOT apart from closed units. This will revive the existing ind estate.

We can have Green energy manufacturing(like wind mill , solar panel manuf.) , Auto OEMs , Aero park in those north belt areas of Chennai ... Such that even North Chennai will get its proper share of development ...Already Ennore has Ashok leyland .. And minjur has its Product Development centre ...

Only problem we have in Minjur is the travel time it takes for the employees from minjur to city due to traffic .... something has to be done for that

And Rnd development centers for these can be kept in Sri- Oragadam area ...Both for Electronics and Automobile ..We can also bring in more Biotech companies in Sri-Oragadam belt ...

We cannot "bring" companies here :). We just create the right environment, infrastructure advertise it well and hope the companies come. In that respect, north Chennai is a opportunity waiting to explode. Ennore SEZ and Gummidipoondi SIPCOT are steps in the right direction but the government needs to do more. Fast tracking the Chennai port - Ennore port expressway, 8 laning Northern expressway (connecting Ennore to NH5), ORR construction needs to be done.

I agree govt needs to do something regarding the biotech field. If the past 2 decades belong to IT, the next 2 decades belong to biotech. No doubt. Govt's policies like Ticel park have met with limited success. On one hand, we should aggressively market the advantages and opportunities and on the other hand we should concentrate on incubation centers. Most often, the money is not where the idea is. VC's dont fund a company till it shows some revenue and has some clients. University incubation centers will go a long way in bridging this gap. Unfortunately in India, proper incubation centers are not available outside the IIT's. The top 5 colleges in TN should start Biotech and biomedical engineering departments (AFAIK only Guindy and GCT, Cbe offers biotech) and offer courses and degrees all the way upto PhD. These campuses should have a well funded incubation center. If there are 1000's of startups, atleast one or two will grow into the Apple or Microsoft of biotech.

Yow Bangaluru prince,

I think Minjur is good spot for large Industries (Including Auto) due to its rail link, Access to Ennore or Chennai Port and cheap land (Comparison to GST & Sriperamputhur)

It is only 27 kms from Chennai and it can use the work force from north Chennai areas like Manali,Thiruvetriour, ennore etc ( who don't have to travel far)

I know you like Sriperamputhur because it is on the route to your new home Bengaluru.Traitor.:lol:

It is not my home :bash: my home is always chennai pa ...

My friend who is working in minjur used to say that due to large traffic he spends more than 1.5 hour in travel ... Adhan sonen :lol:

Well in general i would like to put forward one point regarding sustained r&d in auto field.. Here in UK and many western countries, industries, in particular Aero and Auto are closely linked with universities. As a result, its a win-win situation for both industry and institution.. by doing research projects of industry, the students stays up-to-date and futuristic in the field plus he actually learns and gains the knowledge.. in most of cases, such companies absorb those students into those organisation.. so they will be ready to work from day one..

TN has lot of colleges offering Mechanical, Auto and Aero based courses.. If SG takes initiatives by attracting R&D institutions and linking them with universities, then that fact will automatically absorb more R&D centres into Chennai.. Sadly, the courses are india are very outdated compared to actually whats happening in auto field.. and indian auto companies are very much relying on design and engineering centres in Europe, Japan and US for bringing in latest technologies.. For this R&D centres must be established, linked with univs, SG should support etc.. Time will take care of the rest.. Sigh...... I wish this happens asap..

Five auto giants rev up for India

Swaraj Baggonkar / Mumbai November 22, 2010, 0:42 IST



Five marquee names in the automobile world are gearing up to enter India, the second-fastest growing market globally. Chrysler, Kia, Peugeot, Triumph and Scania are finalising their India blueprint.

The reason is obvious. According to a report by Ernst & Young, India will beat China, North America and Europe to become the fastest growing automobile market.

France’s largest car maker PSA Peugeot Citroen is learnt to have held talks with some state governments for land to set up a manufacturing plant. The company plans an entry through a 100 per cent India subsidiary.

The French company, which has expertise in making stylish compact cars and sedans that are mostly sold in the European market is expected to make an announcement before the end of the year. A senior company executive had said an announcement could be made in “a few weeks”.

It had held discussions with Japan’s Mitsubishi Motors for a joint manufacturing programme, which failed to materialise. Both companies have a joint plant in Russia. Mitsubishi owns a plant in Chennai where it makes SUVs and sedans.
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http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/five-auto-giants-revfor-india/415715/

It is not my home :bash: my home is always chennai pa ...

My friend who is working in minjur used to say that due to large traffic he spends more than 1.5 hour in travel ... Adhan sonen :lol:

Summa kalaichan dont take it serious.

BTW where is your friend traveling to minjur from? Adayar?

Minjur is in the middle between Ennore and Gumidipoondy. it has railway line.

It is much closer to north chennai Industrial areas such as Manali, Thiiruvetroor,Ennore.

In 6 months when NAHAI completes the Chennai port to Ponnery six lane expressway it will take the container trucks 15 mins from cheenai port to Minjur. and 5 mins between Chennai port to Ennore port.

In 6 months time there will be no need to kill 5-6 people to travel from Royapuram to Thiruvetrioor or wait for 5 days on the road to get in or out of chennai port.

In 6 months time there will be no need to kill 5-6 people to travel from Royapuram to Thiruvetrioor or wait for 5 days on the road to get in or out of chennai port.

:lol:

Summa kalaichan dont take it serious.

BTW where is your friend traveling to minjur from? Adayar?

Minjur is in the middle between Ennore and Gumidipoondy. it has railway line.

It is much closer to north chennai Industrial areas such as Manali, Thiiruvetroor,Ennore.

In 6 months when NAHAI completes the Chennai port to Ponnery six lane expressway it will take the container trucks 15 mins from cheenai port to Minjur. and 5 mins between Chennai port to Ennore port.

In 6 months time there will be no need to kill 5-6 people to travel from Royapuram to Thiruvetrioor or wait for 5 days on the road to get in or out of chennai port.

I wish everything happen in coming 6 months.
For others info, Many people lived/living in manali pudu nagar/minjur area had those wish for many years but it never happened and some moved to other places only not to get killed in container lorries/MTC while travel home/office.
Immediate attention required on that road.

Govt should provide infrastucture first and basic amenities and develop residential & industrial corridor and finally invite investments. Now what they are doing is cheating everyone.

This Road project will take minimum 3 years from the day they clear all encroachers . A Cement Concrete road on this strech is welcome considering the Heavy duty vechicle traffic. But, "the Chief General Manager and GM of National Highways are under arrest by CBI. Don't know if they control this area!

Summa kalaichan dont take it serious.

BTW where is your friend traveling to minjur from? Adayar?

Minjur is in the middle between Ennore and Gumidipoondy. it has railway line.

It is much closer to north chennai Industrial areas such as Manali, Thiiruvetroor,Ennore.

In 6 months when NAHAI completes the Chennai port to Ponnery six lane expressway it will take the container trucks 15 mins from cheenai port to Minjur. and 5 mins between Chennai port to Ennore port.

In 6 months time there will be no need to kill 5-6 people to travel from Royapuram to Thiruvetrioor or wait for 5 days on the road to get in or out of chennai port.


He is travelling from my area West mambalam to Minjur in company bus ... :)

German luxury car maker BMW has said that it will increase its investments in India to Rs 1.8 billion by end of 2012.

The company, which commenced its Indian operations by setting up a production plant near Chennai in March 2007, has invested close to Rs 1.1 billion, BMW India said in a statement here.

"Till September 2010, BMW Group invested Rs 110 crore. BMW Group's investment in India will be increased to Rs 180 crore by the end of 2012", it said.

The BMW Chennai unit produces the BMW 3 Series and BMW 5 Series sedans in petrol and diesel variants. By end of this year, the Chennai plant would also produce BMW X1, it said.

The Chennai facility has the capacity to produce 5,400 units per year on a single shift basis and the unit employs about 400 people. Besides the production plant, the company also has a central spare parts warehouse unit in Mumbai.

The company said it rolled out its 10,000th unit from the Chennai facility today.

For 2011, the company also plans to ramp up dealership network from the present 18 to 21 outlets and would create 1,200 jobs in dealer and service network, it said.

"Having taken the lead in the premium segment for the first time last year, we aim to maintain our leading position in the Indian market by now embarking on the second wave of our India strategy," BMW India President Andreas Schaaf said.

On the roll out of the 10,000th car here, BMW Chennai Plant Managing Director Juergen Eder said, "The BMW Plant Chennai team is very excited with the achievement of this milestone in less than four years and looks forward to fulfil the increasing demand for BMW cars in India."

Including the Chennai plant, the company has 24 production facilities in 13 countries and has a global sales network in more than 140 countries with an employee base of over 96,000, the statement added.

Source (http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/bmw-toindia-investments-to-rs-180-cr-by-2012-end/117075/on)

Five auto giants rev up for India

Five marquee names in the automobile world are gearing up to enter India, the second-fastest growing market globally. Chrysler, Kia, Peugeot, Triumph and Scania are finalising their India blueprint.
http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/five-auto-giants-revfor-india/415715/

Any idea where these giants planning to start their camp? I vaguely remember reading somewhere that kia and peugeot eying Tn.

Any idea where these giants planning to start their camp? I vaguely remember reading somewhere that kia and peugeot eying Tn.

Truimph and Scania - Not yet decided. Scania has a good probability of choosing Chennai. As far as Truimph is concerned, it is just a prestige issue - not a big employment generator, so it doesn't matter.

Kia - Most probably Chennai

Peugeot - They have decided on the location but will announce only when Sarkozy visits India in dec. AP, TN, MH are in the race although I think AP has an edge.

Chrysler - No idea. Someone can fill me up (MH and TN would ofcourse would be the front runners. But GJ, AP or KA cannot be ruled out)

Maha,TN,Kar,Andhra and Guj. the future of India. Big and Progressive states.

For Peugeot, TN has a edge as their partner(michelin) is located in Chennai and also lot of component sourcing are in TN. If at all they go in AP due to lot of sops, it has to be in Sri city. Hyd does not make logical sense.

Maha,TN,Kar,Andhra and Guj. the future of India. Big and Progressive states.

Every Cog of the wheel is important. But sure these states can be big engines of growth for the nation as a whole.

Maha,TN,Kar,Andhra and Guj. the future of India. Big and Progressive states.

Yeah bcoz they are the only one with coasts :lol: (except of course the communist ruled states)

Yeah bcoz they are the only one with coasts :lol: (except of course the communist ruled states)

what about NCR/Punjab/Haryana/himachal belt

What I meant is they are big drivers of growth but others are also important states but might not come up in all areas like Kerala most probably wont be a manufacturing power house state even after 20-30 years.
States like WB,UP and Rajasthan are big and have good population but say in case of WB the density is too much it is very difficult to go for Manufacturing region like Dholera where we need land like 20 sql kms etc.

chennaidesi and R2IChennai

Chumma joke adichen pa. Anyway these states definitely enjoy an edge particularly in manufacturing due to their proximity to sea.

Ford plans second plant in Gujarat

Source:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Ford-plans-second-plant-in-India-Gujarat-on-radar-/articleshow/6985617.cms

With the Indian car market booming, Ford is planning to set up a second plant and has approached the Gujarat government for land.

According to sources, Ford which has announced eight new models for India by 2015, has been suggested a site near Sanand, where Tata Motors also has its factory for Nano, by Gujarat state government officials.

Ford has been riding high after the success of its Figo hatchback and wants to ramp up quickly to drive in new models and keep the momentum going. "Representatives from financial organizations that represent Ford have visited senior Gujarat government officials, though nothing has been finalized as yet," a source added.

Ford would be the third major auto company to enter Gujarat after General Motors and Tata Motors. Sources said the company is keen to begin the project soon. "They have indicated huge investment plans and if everything goes well, they could be coming in within two to three months to finalize things."

A spokesperson for Ford said, "We have announced aggressive growth plans with our eight new products. We have nothing else to say or add at this time." Ford currently has its factory near Chennai that has a peak capacity of around 2 lakh units. A source said the company also wants to "de-risk" its business by moving out of the Chennai region, which is facing labour union problems.:bash: "It will also get locational advantage by moving out of the southern region. A plant in the West will help the company cater to markets faster and more efficiently."

Gujarat looks to be a safe bet for the company, considering the government's efforts to promote the state as a new automobile hub. Also, the entry of Tata Motors and GM has brought in component vendors in big numbers, which is a positive factor for Ford.

Ford is gone , Hyundai is going to go, looks like Nokia will be next. But CITU is here to stay.:bash:

Just one day visit of Modi pulls so much investments out of TN. If modi stays for a week he can even wipe out TN.
Our case is very weak no strong reasons for Investors to say no we are happy here.

Ford is gone , Hyundai is going to go, looks like Nokia will be next. But CITU is here to stay.:bash:

With elections coming, SG doesnt even bother to look at these problems. Good time for other states to talk to big companies on their expansion plans. Good work by Guj Govt by pulling up the socks!

Ford news is it a surprise? So far i havent read in this thread abt this. The media has not covered this i suppose.

BMW Group plans to ramp up its capacity to 8,000 units per year at its Chennai plant by early 2011 from the current 3,000 units. The expansion is part of the proposed Rs 180-crore investment plan in India by 2012.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/auto/automobiles/BMW-to-expand-capacity-again/articleshow/6985039.cms

What does everyone expect? That each company build all its factories in chennai? ...lol..good joke....why should tcs be in chennai? why should procter and gamble open factory in chennai? Everything is strategic. Labour strikes can't be taken into account for such decisions.

why should tcs be in chennai? why should procter and gamble open factory in chennai? Everything is strategic. Labour strikes can't be taken into account for such decisions.

Hyundai Chennai Plant's Turnover is 1/3rd of all TN Software companies export. i dont know the figure for Ford. If we loose Hyundai, Ford etc our growth rate will fall like anything. Opening TCS in another state will not affect TN growth rate much.

Labour Strikes are the Main reason for their shifting.

Consider Maruthi, they are having all their plants in one place. In Automobile industry, keeping all the plants in one place will be a strategic option rather than shifting to new location considering the vendors etc. For IT companies it is not so.

Ford & Hyundai are moving out of the state only because of Labour Problems.

Maruti had larger number of strikes than ford ever had. So, why didn't maruti move out? Everything is strategic.

Why are you guys so panic.
None of them said they are going to move out of TamilNadu. They are opening up another plant.
We have not provided what we promised. Good roads, Rail links & so on. They waited for all this to happen for more than 10 years. Moreover on top of this we have also encouraged CITU unions, which is creating havoc & Jeopardising our industrial growth. Unless government takes step to mitigate them & concentrate on infrastructure nothing is going to happen or stop these companies. End of the day Business & market is important to them not the state they are in or its growth. They don't have any emotional attachment towards any state.
TN government is not even bothered about what is happening to industrial growth in the state. Are they reacting in any way? Nothing.
Is there any forumer here who can influence our govt to act sensibiliy and in a dynamic way???

^^Priorities are different for the state government now. The 2G scam, elections are the top priorities. Rest of all is head ache. They will use Crocin to cure this.

^^Frustration is getting on to most of the forumers as we feel are losing a big oppty due to negligence and reckless handling of labor issues by the govt in addition to setting up of basic infrastructure. Understandable that we venting our anger here is not going to solve the present problems.

Hyundai,Ford and Nokia represents TN name.. now?.. What our TN representatives doing.. Still there approach like 2006-2007. Now the situation changing.. AP,Gujarat all are waking up.. They are putting soaps to the investors offering more.. still tn saying like "Ready availabilty of land" minding Auto components manufactures.. Can someone knows their contact mail them about Hyundai and ford news..

Now it is clear that we must not depend on auto industry alone on manufacturing...time to bring in aero industry,robotics, etc with strict labour laws and not to mention more IT and biotech industries where there are no chances of labour unions.

it is not a surprise for ford to move out of tamilnadu since their main market is in the west.no company would like to locate all their companies in the same pocket with the exception of a few ones ....it was bound to happen and this is the time...

more R&D institutions and world class institutions to chennai.

Thatha fought so much for the sethusamudram project. If atleast 10% of that effort spent for a rail link to Sriperumbudur which is the real need, things would have changed.

Hyndai & Ford is right in doing all these. They were asking abt the rail link several times. How long one can wait?

We were already bad in services. Manufacturing is our key area & here again we are losing. Great. Continue with short sighted policies for another decade and we are finished. Take from Peter & pay paul is our current policy. But Peter is becoming insolvent!

Talk of the day in Chennai is this topic I think. Just called to my friends in Chennai - every one mentioned about this news and was upset. One of them even said Gujarat is within India - so we don't need to apply for visa to work over there..in that part he is convinced it seems...:lol:

^^
^^The ruling party fought for Sethu samudram proj coz they had tied up with a contractor for the dredging job and the then minister for shipping was involved in it. Now the family is busy trying to manage the mess created coz of the 2G scam and don't have time for trivial issues like tackling labour union probs or planning for rail link or talking to Hyundai/Ford etc etc..

I am now worried that the Japanese who are showing keen interest in investing in Chennai/TN may also go to Gujarat.

^^
I was surprised all these years of investors flocking to TN/Chennai inspite of an unpredictable labour striking work as they pleased sometimes encouraged by the ruling parties but mostly spoiled by the CPM controlled CITU with their trade union leaders belonging to a neighbouring southern state leading the spoil.It is not at all surprising or shocking when Multinational companies seek expansion in a more congenial state with a proactive govt.Before opening up of the economy many TN based companies suffered due to labour indiscipline some have closed and some have expanded in other states Like TVS motors,MRF,Ashok Leyland,Rane group,ITC etc.The labour working in MNCs around chennai after few years of appearing to be disciplined & dedicated workers have reverted to their old habits and that is causing heart burns to the MNCs set up in and around chennai.If TN govt (present or future) does not mitigate the problems then no body can save the state.The labor in Chennai, my experience shows,is very peculiar with incoherent thinking abusing the managements whom they always think belonging to upper castes.The same logic will also be played for the 2 G spectrum scam claiming people after A.Raja & co are from the upper caste. so much for the pseudo social justice mivement.

Sridhar n
It is not the ruling party alone,who have been demandig the construction of the Sethusamu dram project for nearly a hundred years.Even the admk.which now opposes the projet has been constantly demanding it.If the project is implemented 70% of the cargo that is going toColombo will be directed to Indian ports.This is the fear that Srilanka has.That is why they are requesting rail link between Chennai and Colombo.With the construction of harbour in southerenSrilanka it will be more dangerous for Indian ships circumambulate Srilanka.
srinivasan1@hotmail.

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^^wlbkng: Duplicate post. Already reported.

^^ sorry i dint notice

Hyundai is expanding here :cheers:

http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/hyundai-is-expanding-here/416207/

Don't worry be happy we have positive news about chennai

http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/chennai-may-become-india%5Cs-detroit-soon/416206/

^^

Is it only me or does anyone else feels disappointed about the media's fixation with Detroit? I dont want Chennai or for that matter any other city to be like Detroit. Its hardly a role model. If anything there are lesson to be learnt from its downfall.

And regarding the Hyundai news, BS has got it wrong. Hyundai is not expanding here (atleast not yet). It is not adding any new assembly lines or opening new plants. It is just taking steps to squeeze out more cars by improving the efficiency and better inventory management. It already produces close to 600000 cars and by these measures, it plans to increase it a bit more. This is technically not expansion. On the expansion side, it plans to add a third plant besides the two in Chennai but has not yet decided on the location.

TIMES NEWS NETWORK

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Daily/skins/TOINEW/navigator.asp?Daily=TOIBG&showST=true&login=default&pub=TOI

Nissan Motor India (NMIPL) is accelerating its auto component sourcing from India to cater to its manufacturing facilities globally. The makers of the made-in-India hatchback Micra expects to see a four-fold jump in auto component exports from India by 2012. It is estimated at $10 million in the current fiscal.
"We have positioned India as a global sourcing and export hub," Kiminobu Tokuyama, MD of NMIPL, said on Thursday. He was speaking at the launch of thediesel-variant of Micra that will hit Indian roads in the second week of December.
Currently, the automaker sources components like clutch discs, drive plates and brake pedals from India and exports to Japan, Thailand and China.
Nissan plans to have a portfolio of nine cars in India by 2012. It currently has four -- Micra, Teana, X-Trail and 320Z. The automaker is planning to rollout a sedan from its Chennai facility next year. The sedan will be built on Nissan's 'V' platform that also powers the Micra diesel.
The Micra diesel will be priced between Rs 5.6-6.2 lakh. Nissan has sold 5,000 units of the petrol-variant of Micra since its launch in July.
Nissan is also looking at a car that is positioned below the Micra and above the proposed small car it plans to make as part of the Bajaj-Renault-Nissan tie up.
The car, positioned in the same league as Nano, may hit the market in 2012Nissan also plans to roll out a multi purpose vehicle called NV 200 and a light commercial vehicle along with Ashok Leyland in 2012.

^^

Is it only me or does anyone else feels disappointed about the media's fixation with Detroit? I dont want Chennai or for that matter any other city to be like Detroit. Its hardly a role model. If anything there are lesson to be learnt from its downfall.

And regarding the Hyundai news, BS has got it wrong. Hyundai is not expanding here (atleast not yet). It is not adding any new assembly lines or opening new plants. It is just taking steps to squeeze out more cars by improving the efficiency and better inventory management. It already produces close to 600000 cars and by these measures, it plans to increase it a bit more. This is technically not expansion. On the expansion side, it plans to add a third plant besides the two in Chennai but has not yet decided on the location.

That is why all factory land should be owned by government and if they are sick or closed for more than a year, the gov. should raze it down. There should be a clause like this.

^^

Is it only me or does anyone else feels disappointed about the media's fixation with Detroit? I dont want Chennai or for that matter any other city to be like Detroit. Its hardly a role model. If anything there are lesson to be learnt from its downfall.



+1. Yup - Detroit has detroited, so I do not want Chennai to go the same way....

^^then why is everyone crying that citroen is not here, volkswagen's not here, ford is moving out?

^^Chennai need not be compared with Detroit - coz we want Chennai to have its own identity. We obviously want every car maker to invest in our city. Plans of Ford and Hyundai setting up their next factory elsewhere hurts coz the reason for such a thought are labour issues/ insufficient infra - both can be / could have been addressed by SG. We are just venting out our frustration / anger on the SG.

^^then why is everyone crying that citroen is not here, volkswagen's not here, ford is moving out?

I meant I do not want Chennai to follow the foot steps of Detroit, we have to be always a happening city not a detroiting city..

May be you will get an idea if you read these links..

What is the city’s status today?
Outside the city’s downtown core of office buildings, Detroit looks like a postapocalyptic nightmare. The collapse of the auto industry, political dysfunction, and epidemics of crime, drugs, and arson have battered Detroit like a slow-motion hurricane, leveling entire neighborhoods and causing a major chunk of the population to flee.

http://theweek.com/article/index/101313/detroit-a-city-on-the-brink
http://blog.leasetrader.com/archive/2009/10/07/UAW-the-downfall-of-Detroit.aspx

Plans of Ford and Hyundai setting up their next factory elsewhere hurts coz the reason for such a thought are labour issues/ insufficient infra

Are you sure thats the real reason? Did Hyundai and Ford say this to the press?

Are you sure thats the real reason? Did Hyundai and Ford say this to the press?

+1
I also have this doubt ??!

Media always make a buzz about everything. they need to fill out the page.
below link shows extreme opposite to TOI article.
which one makes sense?



http://www.rediff.com/business/slide-show/slide-show-1-auto-chennai-may-become-indias-detroit-soon/20101126.htm

^^then why is everyone crying that citroen is not here, volkswagen's not here, ford is moving out?

Even if the story that Ford is looking at Guj for second plant is true and operationalized, still it is not called "Ford moving out". Moving out will be closing the existing plant and taking it to Guj...like what Tata did with Nano....I guess we can do with less crying

Are you sure thats the real reason? Did Hyundai and Ford say this to the press?

No pls. I have not heard / read any such statements. Perhaps its our perception / assumption.

Ford is gone , Hyundai is going to go, looks like Nokia will be next. But CITU is here to stay.:bash:

Just one day visit of Modi pulls so much investments out of TN. If modi stays for a week he can even wipe out TN.
Our case is very weak no strong reasons for Investors to say no we are happy here.

Mr Modi is more hype than real. Dont forget GM ruled out Gujarat and built a larger Greenfield plant in MH. Nano choosing Guj was more of a political stunt.

^^
I was surprised all these years of investors flocking to TN/Chennai inspite of an unpredictable labour striking work as they pleased sometimes encouraged by the ruling parties but mostly spoiled by the CPM controlled CITU with their trade union leaders belonging to a neighbouring southern state leading the spoil.It is not at all surprising or shocking when Multinational companies seek expansion in a more congenial state with a proactive govt.Before opening up of the economy many TN based companies suffered due to labour indiscipline some have closed and some have expanded in other states Like TVS motors,MRF,Ashok Leyland,Rane group,ITC etc.The labour working in MNCs around chennai after few years of appearing to be disciplined & dedicated workers have reverted to their old habits and that is causing heart burns to the MNCs set up in and around chennai.If TN govt (present or future) does not mitigate the problems then no body can save the state.The labor in Chennai, my experience shows,is very peculiar with incoherent thinking abusing the managements whom they always think belonging to upper castes.The same logic will also be played for the 2 G spectrum scam claiming people after A.Raja & co are from the upper caste. so much for the pseudo social justice mivement.

Not true and lacks evidence. Some of the union leaders also hail from the so called or self-styled "Upper castes".

Mr Modi is more hype than real. Dont forget GM ruled out Gujarat and built a larger Greenfield plant in MH. Nano choosing Guj was more of a political stunt.

If it makes you feel good to belittle Gujarat or Mr Modi (and I am only talking about his administrative acumen) then do so. However, Tata choosing Gujarat for its Nano plant is 'real' and I cannot see what the 'stunt' is.

If it makes you feel good to belittle Gujarat or Mr Modi (and I am only talking about his administrative acumen) then do so. However, Tata choosing Gujarat for its Nano plant is 'real' and I cannot see what the 'stunt' is.


with the entry of NANO, gujrat govt is eying hundai and fords next plants in india, recent news in paper shows these 2 auto companies are in talk with guj. govt. also Foxconn is in talks with Guj. govt. mainly due to better labour union

^^

Is it only me or does anyone else feels disappointed about the media's fixation with Detroit? I dont want Chennai or for that matter any other city to be like Detroit. Its hardly a role model. If anything there are lesson to be learnt from its downfall.

And regarding the Hyundai news, BS has got it wrong. Hyundai is not expanding here (atleast not yet). It is not adding any new assembly lines or opening new plants. It is just taking steps to squeeze out more cars by improving the efficiency and better inventory management. It already produces close to 600000 cars and by these measures, it plans to increase it a bit more. This is technically not expansion. On the expansion side, it plans to add a third plant besides the two in Chennai but has not yet decided on the location.


recent news in paper show, hundai is eying gujrat or AP for their 3rd plant,

No company is mental to start plants in a different state because of labour strikes. Its high time TN gov. stops giving sops to auto industries. Almost all companies have arrived in India. They should focus on banking services, equipment manufacturing, etc.

Here is an excerpt.
"When asked about the Sriperumbudur belt facing a series of labour issues in the Korean automaker Hyundai and the electronic equipment manufacturer Foxconn facilities, Mr. Shin said Samsung treated the employees as a family and despite having operations in Noida they did not have any issue with labourers there. He said in their Indian facilities, 80 per cent of the staff was permanent employees."

It all depends on the company. Labour laws should also be changed. They should make it illegal to have a strike. There must be a gov. department that listens to the workers woes. The gov. should take action, not the employees.

^^ Its high time the govt comes up with some practical and favorable for all solution to these labour probs in TN.. some pro-activeness reqd..

[QUOTE=bonoslack7;67938397]No company is mental to start plants in a different state because of labour strikes. Its high time TN gov. stops giving They should focus on banking services, equipment manufacturing, etc.

Here is an excerpt.
"When asked about the Sriperumbudur belt facing a series of labour issues in the Korean automaker Hyundai and the electronic equipment manufacturer Foxconn facilities, Mr. Shin said Samsung treated the employees as a family and despite having operations in Noida they did not have any issue with labourers there. He said in their Indian facilities, 80 per cent of the staff was permanent employees."

He meant no labour problems intheiroperationsin Noida which is an older unit.Sriperumbudur operations began in 2007and they are yet to taste the unreliable labour of TN.

@ Sacet

I know that but Hyundai hasnt announced anything yet.

Its high time TN gov. stops giving sops to auto industries.

What?? Why are you saying that?

Lot of news against chennai in recent posts.. Ford never faced a problem in chennai.. it handled their workers well, infra also good near ford.. its time for TN govt to retain industries instead of fresh investment.. Already TN named as industrial stablised state, most of the surveys pointing TN become biggest industrial state in another 2-3 years, now it is at no:3. Hope the government and Mr Stalin restricts labor unions and clear the obstacles in TN way..

Not true and lacks evidence. Some of the union leaders also hail from the so called or self-styled "Upper castes".

Step please step in to the real world.whatever may be the caste the fact is TN labour force are still living in the past.Its a ample example of self destruction.I am vouching it to the core on account of my four decades experience with these guys.

^^ 4 decades of experience!!! salute to u.. happy to see such experienced forumers

What?? Why are you saying that?

because a city can't have everything and shouldn't. Chennai has emerged as an auto hub. So, even if companies are still interested, they should pay more for the locational advantage. All major car companies have saturated india. Now, if recession comes, maybe in 50 years time, there is a high chance of companies shutting shop. There are so many activities going on in chennai in the automobile scene- cars, tyres, parts, auto glass. So, this puts a huge risk. The present number of auto companies is good enough. So, the TN gov. should think of spreading to other cities like Madurai, Trichy. Or just stop investment in this sector.

Stalin is doing a good job inviting renewable energy companies. These three are unrelated-renewable energy, health services and automobiles. So, its going pretty good for Chennai.

One radical, rather random idea would be to give land to companies free and exempt them from all taxes, IF they invent a vertical assembly line and are self sufficient in energy consumption. (aka vertical factories)

because a city can't have everything and shouldn't. Chennai has emerged as an auto hub. So, even if companies are still interested, they should pay more for the locational advantage. All major car companies have saturated india. Now, if recession comes, maybe in 50 years time, there is a high chance of companies shutting shop. There are so many activities going on in chennai in the automobile scene- cars, tyres, parts, auto glass. So, this puts a huge risk. The present number of auto companies is good enough. So, the TN gov. should think of spreading to other cities like Madurai, Trichy. Or just stop investment in this sector.

Stalin is doing a good job inviting renewable energy companies. These three are unrelated-renewable energy, health services and automobiles. So, its going pretty good for Chennai.

One radical, rather random idea would be to give land to companies free and exempt them from all taxes, IF they invent a vertical assembly line and are self sufficient in energy consumption. (aka vertical factories)

pfft.. You have written all these points already and I have replied to it. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=67408639&postcount=1258

Your current post is intrinsically contradictory. First you say "a city can't have everything and shouldn't". Then later you say we should not be dependent on one industry.

Again if you want auto industry in TN, it would be in Chennai. If you do not encourage them to open here, they will go to MH or GJ. As simple as that. This is not China. The government cannot hold a gun to the CEO's head and ask him to open a factory in Trichy or Madurai. Promoting one industry does not necessarily means punishing others. A city of 10 million can afford to have any industry it wants provided it has the natural advantage. How much do you think are the population of NY or Tokyo or Singapore is? Why do you think we cant have any other industry if we promote auto? That is one point I cant fathom. We have almost as many employed in SW as in auto. So now what? Discourage SW companies and promote something else?

To retain any industry infra is important...first set the basics right.

We have power shortage of nearly 3000 MW- demand is 11100 & supply is 8100. for almost 10 years we have not done anything aggressively to improve the power supply. Private player like TATA or reliance will not venture in TN due to our power policy. Can't they change the policies according to the dynamic business environment & set it right so as to encourage the growth of industries.

As said strikes should be made illegal & people who strike should be punished.

^^ Your last sentence is a dangerous thought. Forget it!

pfft.. You have written all these points already and I have replied to it. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=67408639&postcount=1258

Your current post is intrinsically contradictory. First you say "a city can't have everything and shouldn't". Then later you say we should not be dependent on one industry.

Again if you want auto industry in TN, it would be in Chennai. If you do not encourage them to open here, they will go to MH or GJ. As simple as that. This is not China. The government cannot hold a gun to the CEO's head and ask him to open a factory in Trichy or Madurai. Promoting one industry does not necessarily means punishing others. A city of 10 million can afford to have any industry it wants provided it has the natural advantage. How much do you think are the population of NY or Tokyo or Singapore is? Why do you think we cant have any other industry if we promote auto? That is one point I cant fathom. We have almost as many employed in SW as in auto. So now what? Discourage SW companies and promote something else?

First you say "a city can't have everything and shouldn't". Then later you say we should not be dependent on one industry. erm...both mean the same. You cannot compare software with auto industry. software is an integral part of different industries. So there would be no major effect. Software companies do not occupy any major resources. If a software company goes out of business, it is easier to change ownership of the company and its more flexible in its usage and needs. What I am saying is that all factories in chennai are going to close in 50-60 years time, owing to cost of living and increasing land prices. There is nothing wrong in this happening because this is how a city grows. But there is only limited land available, so they should focus on other industries because all major car companies already have their factory in india. They should think about the long term effects. If Nissan closes a factory in UK, it doesnt mean that toyota will buy it and retain all the employees. It means that the land will remain dormant for at least a decade.

If they go to MH or GJ, whats the problem? It is not correct to think that all companies should have multiple plants in a single location.

^^ Your last sentence is a dangerous thought. Forget it!

Yup..when liberty given is misused...& even after repeated warning they practice the same we have to snatch it off.

First you say "a city can't have everything and shouldn't". Then later you say we should not be dependent on one industry. erm...both mean the same. You cannot compare software with auto industry. software is an integral part of different industries. So there would be no major effect. Software companies do not occupy any major resources. If a software company goes out of business, it is easier to change ownership of the company and its more flexible in its usage and needs. What I am saying is that all factories in chennai are going to close in 50-60 years time, owing to cost of living and increasing land prices. There is nothing wrong in this happening because this is how a city grows. But there is only limited land available, so they should focus on other industries because all major car companies already have their factory in india. They should think about the long term effects. If Nissan closes a factory in UK, it doesnt mean that toyota will buy it and retain all the employees. It means that the land will remain dormant for at least a decade.

If they go to MH or GJ, whats the problem? It is not correct to think that all companies should have multiple plants in a single location.

Yeah all of us will die in another 50 -60 years. Why dont we kill ourselves now? Dude when there is better use of a resource (land in this case), free market will take care of it (like the recent auctioning of mill land in Mumbai). We dont have to do anything. Another point - we are not UK. India will retain its low cost advantage for a looong time (till Africa starts developing). So why do you actively want to stop a industry from growing? Afterall it gives so much employment.

ok

Today , I got a info from my company flash news .... Nissan is going to invest on Engine plant :) They are yet to decide location , hope we bag it :)

We have power shortage of nearly 3000 MW- demand is 11100 & supply is 8100. for almost 10 years we have not done anything aggressively to improve the power supply. Private player like TATA or reliance will not venture in TN due to our power policy. Can't they change the policies according to the dynamic business environment & set it right so as to encourage the growth of industries.



i seriously doubt that you are from TN..... tamil nadu will export power from 2013-14 and i am deadsure about this... seeing the number of projects at advanced stages of completion...

i seriously doubt that you are from TN..... tamil nadu will export power from 2013-14 and i am deadsure about this... seeing the number of projects at advanced stages of completion...

What Raji says is correct. TN faces power shortage of anywhere between 2 GW to 3 GW. There are lot of projects in pipeline but significant capacity additions hasnt happened in the last 3 or 4 years. TN was power surplus till 2007. In that year, it turned power deficit due to increase in demand.

There is a thread dedicated to power projects in TN. You can check that out if you want to know the details.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1017009

^^ dude you first check what i have written... i know the acute shortage but i am saying that many projects are nearing completion see the post 148 of the thread you posted...

^^ dude you first check what i have written... i know the acute shortage but i am saying that many projects are nearing completion see the post 148 of the thread you posted...

Half of the projects in that thread were announced half a decade back. Thats what govt will tell particularly when the election is round the corner. The fact of the matter is there was no significant addition in the past 3 to 4 years. When companies invest, they want power now - not the promise of power in 2013-14. Let that power projects come on stream. Then we will see. Anyway the shortage we are suffering now for almost 3 years was due to govt's short sightedness isnt it? Thats what Raji was pointing out. What about the industries that didnt invest due to the power situation in the last 3 years?

Half of the projects in that thread were announced half a decade back. Thats what govt will tell particularly when the election is round the corner. The fact of the matter is there was no significant addition in the past 3 to 4 years. When companies invest, they want power now - not the promise of power in 2013-14. Let that power projects come on stream. Then we will see. Anyway the shortage we are suffering now for almost 3 years was due to govt's short sightedness isnt it? Thats what Raji was pointing out. What about the industries that didnt invest due to the power situation in the last 3 years?

if you are familiar with the power sector then you should know that only 5-10% of projects start in 2yrs from the date of signing the MOU with the state govt and it takes almost 5-6yrs to start a power project in INDIA because of the land acquisition,CSR activities,MOEF clearance,Coal linkages etc. and in india there is acute shortage everywhere except Himachal Pradesh... so i think investors will come and invest because they have long-sight about india's growth story rather than short term power shortage....

and the last 3-4 yrs no addition because state and central sectors have saturated and electricity act was launched in 2003(to open up private sector) and if you see therefore all the power projects were announced in 2004-2005 because of the act... and there were a huge rush but they were not aware of the challenges(that i have mentioned in last para)...

so be positive and i do not believe any politician but believe the project websites and news because most of the companies are listed and they have to show everything in their financials ;)

^^ dude you first check what i have written... i know the acute shortage but i am saying that many projects are nearing completion see the post 148 of the thread you posted...

Can you tell the meaning of nearing completion in your post? also please list those projects nearing completion and start the power projects shortly!

Green field project like North Chennai power plant which is in advanced stage can start power production by end of next year, other than that show me any other power project which is nearing completion!

TN is not going to benefit much from Koodankulam project which is under commissioning, god only knows when it will get stabilized!

All other projects we can expect the power production after 2012, by that time demand also will shoot up!

TN has 65,000MW power plants in papers, roughly around 3000MW power projects are under execution i.e Under construction.

^^ only in next year 2830 MW only by state electricity board (http://www.tneb.in/template_3.php?tempno=3&cid=0&subcid=167)

500 MW of neyveli cuddalore(2011)

1000 MW of neyveli tuticorin(2012)

source for neyveli (http://www.cea.nic.in/thermal/project_monitoring/BS%20NLC.pdf)

1000 MW NTPC thiruvaluur by 2011 dec-in u/c section s.no 2 pg 17 (http://www.cea.nic.in/Thermal/project_monitoring/BS%20NTPC.pdf)

march 2012 500MW PEL power source (http://www.pelpower.com/project.html)

these total almost 6000 MW with at least 500-600 MW of wind power projects by march 2012

and i am assuming share of tamil nadu's project from other private developers in other states at 500-600 MW

SO TOTAL is 7000 MW out of which since NTPC and private is involved so i am subtracting 600-800 MW

SO BY MARCH 2012 YOU ARE EXPECTED TO GET AT LEAST 6300-6400 MW

and by dec 2012 you can get additional 2000 MW so in 2 yrs from now expected addition is 8000 MW minimum :cheers:

i seriously doubt that you are from TN..... tamil nadu will export power from 2013-14 and i am deadsure about this... seeing the number of projects at advanced stages of completion...

Please visit the below thread
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=386617&page=356

This is news from TOI not my own.

True that TN faces a acute power shortage which I have practically experienced. Have seen TNEB notices to Industrial units & IT park on shutdown time. If it is a power surplus state..why these notices and power cuts.

What you have mentioned gives me a false happiness - TN exporting power, number of projects in verge of completion etc - yup, let this situation arise, but I don't think it will in near future...

^^ only in next year 2830 MW only by state electricity board (http://www.tneb.in/template_3.php?tempno=3&cid=0&subcid=167)

500 MW of neyveli cuddalore(2011)

1000 MW of neyveli tuticorin(2012)

source for neyveli (http://www.cea.nic.in/thermal/project_monitoring/BS%20NLC.pdf)

1000 MW NTPC thiruvaluur by 2011 dec-in u/c section s.no 2 pg 17 (http://www.cea.nic.in/Thermal/project_monitoring/BS%20NTPC.pdf)

march 2012 500MW PEL power source (http://www.pelpower.com/project.html)

these total almost 6000 MW with at least 500-600 MW of wind power projects by march 2012

and i am assuming share of tamil nadu's project from other private developers in other states at 500-600 MW

SO TOTAL is 7000 MW out of which since NTPC and private is involved so i am subtracting 600-800 MW

SO BY MARCH 2012 YOU ARE EXPECTED TO GET AT LEAST 6300-6400 MW

and by dec 2012 you can get additional 2000 MW so in 2 yrs from now expected addition is 8000 MW minimum :cheers:

You are unimaginably positive..kudos for this...

Please visit the below thread
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=386617&page=356

This is news from TOI not my own.



TOI is a big shit... do you have an idea that the rural electrification is 35% in Bihar and even then it faces acute shortage of power and the installed capacity is 700-800 MW and it faces a shortage of 1000 MW

still i can't believe that how it is a complete turn around... BTW this is discussed in chaibar already...

You are unimaginably positive..kudos for this...

actually i have not added the NPCIL nuclear plant and also many which will start construction in these 2 yrs ;)

^^ only in next year 2830 MW only by state electricity board (http://www.tneb.in/template_3.php?tempno=3&cid=0&subcid=167)

500 MW of neyveli cuddalore(2011)

1000 MW of neyveli tuticorin(2012)

source for neyveli (http://www.cea.nic.in/thermal/project_monitoring/BS%20NLC.pdf)

1000 MW NTPC thiruvaluur by 2011 dec-in u/c section s.no 2 pg 17 (http://www.cea.nic.in/Thermal/project_monitoring/BS%20NTPC.pdf)

march 2012 500MW PEL power source (http://www.pelpower.com/project.html)

these total almost 6000 MW with at least 500-600 MW of wind power projects by march 2012

and i am assuming share of tamil nadu's project from other private developers in other states at 500-600 MW

SO TOTAL is 7000 MW out of which since NTPC and private is involved so i am subtracting 600-800 MW

SO BY MARCH 2012 YOU ARE EXPECTED TO GET AT LEAST 6300-6400 MW

and by dec 2012 you can get additional 2000 MW so in 2 yrs from now expected addition is 8000 MW minimum :cheers:

You actually missed Koodankulam from which almost 1000 MW is earmarked for TN. But I should say you are deliriously optimistic. As late as March, they said Koodankulam will be commissioned by year end. Come September, they extended it to March next year. Thats the unpredictability of power sector. Dont be naive enough to think listed companies are always reliable. They lie very well just to prop up their stock prices. I mean the projects listed for NLC to be completed next year may very well delayed by 3 to 9 months, and forget about the projects "expected to be commissioned" in 2012. They are reliable relative to government sources but not in the absolute sense.

Another thing i want to point out is that wind is highly unreliable. TN already has 5000MW of installed capacity but has never recorded more than 3000MW sometimes falling to almost nothing.

Current average demand is 11200 MW Given a conservative CAGR of 10%, TN will need 15000 MW by 2013. If you are thinking we will be power surplus, i cannot agree with you. Time will only tell who is right but now definitely i am on the other side of you.

I cannot also accept that its something every state in India is suffering. Look at GJ, Modi had the foresight and now they are power surplus. It shows that you only need political will to turn from power deficit to power surplus even in a high growth environment.

I am actually banking on merchant power plants opening in other states in the next 3 to 4 years. Atleast TN can buy power even if it is costly.

Anyway this is not the right thread and we can move it to Chennai Discussions or TN power thread.

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I cannot also accept that its something every state in India is suffering. Look at GJ, Modi had the foresight and now they are power surplus. It shows that you only need political will to turn from power deficit to power surplus even in a high growth environment.


check your facts right... GJ is 10% power deficit and will be surplus by 2012 only

and As far as sources are concerned then this(NLC) is not from their website but from CEA- central electricity authority which is a Central govt. authority which monitors every POWER PROJECT IN OUR COUNTRY....

Koodankulam was not able because of the russian contractors(similar NTPC barh that is also delayed by 3 yrs due to russian equipments delay in supply and some fight also) so i would hopefull both the units complete by 2011 dec... as of now NPCIL site says the progress was 96.7% by october on unit 1 and 91.2% by october on unit 2 .

TOI is a big shit....

I accept this whole heartedly :lol: But Power shortage - Also my practical experience..more than TOI's news.

check your facts right... GJ is 10% power deficit and will be surplus by 2012 only

and As far as sources are concerned then this(NLC) is not from their website but from CEA- central electricity authority which is a Central govt. authority which monitors every POWER PROJECT IN OUR COUNTRY....

Koodankulam was not able because of the russian contractors(similar NTPC barh that is also delayed by 3 yrs due to russian equipments delay in supply and some fight also) so i would hopefull both the units complete by 2011 dec... as of now NPCIL site says the progress was 96.7% by october on unit 1 and 91.2% by october on unit 2 .

This is yesterday's news http://sify.com/news/gujarat-finds-no-takers-for-66-million-units-of-surplus-power-news-national-kl2ukicagbe.html?tag=Topnews

It may oscillate between surplus and deficit depending on the demand supply matching but TN is decisively deficit (to the tune of 30-40%). You tend to go too much into the details. My argument is that if the government had political will, we would not have been in such a big mess.

Regarding the NLC thing, I was specifically replying to your point that you would rely on the words of listed companies.

Koodankulam: A delay is a delay is a delay. I dont care why or who causes the delay or whether it is 96.7% or 96.8%. It gets delayed in India. Thats it. I am concentrating on the broader picture. Of course there is always some reason.

Again please do not reply in this thread. It may be really irritating to others. Move to TN power thread if you want.

SSCaddict & TShyam:

This is NOT a power project related thread. Please continue your discussions over there and use this thread for what it is meant for.

Thanks!!

Please visit the below thread
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=386617&page=356

This is news from TOI not my own.

True that TN faces a acute power shortage which I have practically experienced. Have seen TNEB notices to Industrial units & IT park on shutdown time. If it is a power surplus state..why these notices and power cuts.

What you have mentioned gives me a false happiness - TN exporting power, number of projects in verge of completion etc - yup, let this situation arise, but I don't think it will in near future...

In Tuticorin four power projects of which 3 in the private sector are coming up fast.Total generation of power from these projects will be around 6000 MWs.

^^ though i did not want to start it here again but i could not resist

click here (http://business.rediff.com/report/2010/jan/14/soon-tuticorin-will-be-indias-most-powerful-district.htm)

sorry guys...

mods can you please transfer last few posts to tamil nadu power thread

In Tuticorin four power projects of which 3 in the private sector are coming up fast.Total generation of power from these projects will be around 6000 MWs.

Not read any news about this any where..any way let us move to the projects thread. Mr.Ranga, Can you please give some links on news about its present status..in the relevent thread .

Nissan Motors India Ltd’s drive into India may have been late but Kiminobu Tokuyama, managing director and chief executive officer of the company, told DNA that they are moving fast now to close the gap on rivals. Excerpts:

You have entered into the Indian passenger car market a little late. Does it put you at a disadvantage over your rivals, who have already grabbed a large chunk of the Indian auto pie?
I agree, we are a little late in entering the Indian market, which is already overcrowded in the hatchback segment. However, I won’t say there is a disadvantage in terms of pricing. We believe we have the right pricing. On the hindsight, I feel, since the market is still growing, it is not too late to set up a base here.

How is your compact car faring in the Indian market?
So far, it has exceeded our expectations. The year 2010 has been action packed for us. In May, we launched Micra (petrol variant). We could get a manufacturing unit at Chennai ready in 21 months, which is a record for Nissan anywhere in the world.

At present, we have a capacity to produce 2 lakh units (at our plant in Chennai). We want to increase it to 4 lakh over a period of seven years.

What is your India strategy? Which new models are you planning to get into India and by when?
We want to become a major player here. We are planning to launch a sedan version (of Micra) by the second half of 2012. Today, we have four products available in the Indian market. Expanding this pipeline, we will have a total of nine models by 2012. This includes a multi-purpose vehicle (MPV) in collaboration with Ashok Leyland, which will be launched in the second half of next fiscal. It will be called NV200.

How many units of Micra have you sold so far? Also, what about bookings for the diesel version?
Till now, there have been 6,700 bookings for the petrol variant. Of this, we have sold 5,000 units. For the diesel version, we have got 600 bookings.

Nissan has been in China much before its India entry. How would you compare the two markets?
I am not in a position to compare the two markets as I basically look after the Indian segment. But I know that in China we are the leaders and are way ahead of Toyota and Honda. We hope to script a similar story for India.

How many units are you exporting and to which countries?
We at Nissan have positioned India as a global hub (for outsourcing). By October 2011, we wish to export 1.1 lakh units and eventually increase it to 1.8 lakh units over a period of time.

We are exporting to Europe, Middle East and Africa. There is a demand for the diesel version from South Africa. However, nothing has been finalised in this regard.

Every car manufacturer is looking at hybrid and electric cars.

Recently, the government came out with sops for e-cars that would make its manufacturing cheaper. What are your plans on this?
We have developed an electric car — Nissan Leaf — for launch in the US and Japanese markets. However, as of now there are no plans in place for such a car in India. Even as we appreciate the Indian government’s efforts to bring in such sops, we feel that more needs to be done in terms of infrastructure so as to make this thing a reality.

Source: http://www.dnaindia.com/money/interview_as-in-china-we-want-to-be-ahead-of-toyota-and-honda-in-india_1474703

n the wake of reports about Ford India and Hyundai Motor India planning to set up their second plants in Gujarat, Cuddalore MP K S Alagiri has written to Union minister of commerce and industry Anand Sharma seeking the Centre's intervention to stop the companies from moving out of Tamil Nadu.

Alagiri told TOI, "I handed over the letter to Sharma on Wednesday and asked him to intervene and stop the units from moving out of Tamil Nadu. Sharma has promised to speak to the companies." Accusing Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi of starting a rat race by luring the Tatas to set up the Nano plant and now trying to lure Hyundai and Ford, Alagiri said, "In future, Modi will also lure software units from Bangalore to shift base to Gujarat."

Officials of the companies are expected to participate in the Vibrant Gujarat meet in Hyderabad on December 3, where a proposal for expansion is likely to be discussed. "The companies are blaming labour and power problems as reasons for taking investments out of Tamil Nadu and setting up units in Gujarat. These are not problems which cannot be solved," Alagiri pointed out.

n the wake of reports about Ford India and Hyundai Motor India planning to set up their second plants in Gujarat, Cuddalore MP K S Alagiri has written to Union minister of commerce and industry Anand Sharma seeking the Centre's intervention to stop the companies from moving out of Tamil Nadu.

Alagiri told TOI, "I handed over the letter to Sharma on Wednesday and asked him to intervene and stop the units from moving out of Tamil Nadu. Sharma has promised to speak to the companies." Accusing Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi of starting a rat race by luring the Tatas to set up the Nano plant and now trying to lure Hyundai and Ford, Alagiri said, "In future, Modi will also lure software units from Bangalore to shift base to Gujarat."

Officials of the companies are expected to participate in the Vibrant Gujarat meet in Hyderabad on December 3, where a proposal for expansion is likely to be discussed. "The companies are blaming labour and power problems as reasons for taking investments out of Tamil Nadu and setting up units in Gujarat. These are not problems which cannot be solved," Alagiri pointed out.

Useless guys. They aren't able to provide proper support to Hyundai and Ford and now they are blaming Modi. If one improves the infrastructure, solves the employee issues amicably , why are they going to think of moving to different location.

^^ Another case of crying over spilt milk. When Narendra Modi can do it why can't Stalin do it? Let him go all over India and woo investors. Who's stopping???

^^ Another case of crying over spilt milk. When Narendra Modi can do it why can't Stalin do it? Let him go all over India and woo investors. Who's stopping???

^^ Just in Case , if you are not aware.
Our ministers and bureaucrats did go to many places in the world (Japan, South Korea, China, USm Singapore & etc) in the last 1-2 years and ran roadshows to bring in investments. Some investments did come.

Our IT minister has gone to Bangalore and Noida and took part in TN govt. run IT roadshows to bring in more ITES investments into TN , specifically into Tier2 & 3 cities.

But still Stalin can go to Mumbai and canvass TN, to pull in big Indian investors and specifically target Mukesh Ambani's Reliance group (for gas pipelines and more of same), Aditya Birla group (their manufacturing & minerals divisions), Bharat Forge/Kalyani group, Tata group (for their auto, steel and manufacturing companies).

But it is good that atleast a TN MP has raised this issue publically (but maybe, has not directed his concerns properly) and sent letters to PC (why ?..he is Home Minister) and faxes to TN state government. This could make the local Industry Guidance bureaucrats understand the competition better.

n the wake of reports about Ford India and Hyundai Motor India planning to set up their second plants in Gujarat, Cuddalore MP K S Alagiri has written to Union minister of commerce and industry Anand Sharma seeking the Centre's intervention to stop the companies from moving out of Tamil Nadu.

Alagiri told TOI, "I handed over the letter to Sharma on Wednesday and asked him to intervene and stop the units from moving out of Tamil Nadu. Sharma has promised to speak to the companies." Accusing Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi of starting a rat race by luring the Tatas to set up the Nano plant and now trying to lure Hyundai and Ford, Alagiri said, "In future, Modi will also lure software units from Bangalore to shift base to Gujarat."



Happy that atleast one minister in whole TN realised this...others are blind without taking any actions.

As said..who is restraining Stalin from wooing investments from all other states? Let him go abroad also internal touring is required.

But all the more, first mantra is "Get the infrastructure in Place" ...investors will come behing us instead we going to them. Good quality roads, planned flyovers, uninterrupted electricity, clean tidy city, ample entertainment facility, make travel within the city pleasent by neat/highend buses & trains..etc.

Happy that atleast one minister in whole TN realised this...others are blind without taking any actions.

As said..who is restraining Stalin from wooing investments from all other states? Let him go abroad also internal touring is required.

But all the more, first mantra is "Get the infrastructure in Place" ...investors will come behing us instead we going to them. Good quality roads, planned flyovers, uninterrupted electricity, clean tidy city, ample entertainment facility, make travel within the city pleasent by neat/highend buses & trains..etc.

The MP is a first rated Idiot and is still living in the licence permit raj times.How can a central minister intervene in such matters in the post liberalised situations where competitions between states to lure companies and investments by affording excellent infrastructure and not onlyskilled but innovative disciplined work force.If Gujarat can attract them with congenial atmosphere how can any one stop Hyundai and Ford to invest in expansion outside TN.The stupid TN Govt thought that they can bluff and fool around all the time to lure investments with out fulfilling the promises but will it work that way all the time?I am of the opinion that MNCs and other investors within the country hardly believe the promises and statements of this state govt.My relative works in Hyundai and that the workers (a small number) there indulge in gross indiscipline holding majority to ransom and the state govt does not support the management for taking drastic steps .This has spread as a virus to all the companies in the Sri-Oragadam belt.Naturally this will drive away the investors.:nuts::nuts:

^^ Just in Case , if you are not aware.
Our ministers and bureaucrats did go to many places in the world (Japan, South Korea, China, USm Singapore & etc) in the last 1-2 years and ran roadshows to bring in investments. Some investments did come.


On a lighter note, I thought all their trips are for striking some deal with some company abroad to produce very cheap cell-phones and laptops, so that they can be given away for free to all the low-income people in TN.

^^ Does this minister understand that he is barking at the wrong tree ?

First of, Modi's example should be a great precedent on how a CM can take proactive role in the state's development. (CM's or Politicians still clinging to power by distributing cheap TV's or catching seats by biryani distribution should try adding salt to his diet.)

In a free country, if a distilled idiot MP behaves like they own Hyundai or Ford, it highlights their idiocy. Didnt we bring Samsung from NCR.

If they are even bit serious, they should focus on creating better investment climate. How many years they have been cheating their own promise of a railroad to Sriperumbudur ? How many years the same buffoons have a clout at the centre ?

It is not a question of any CM or DCM is capable or not, it is their action, rather inaction, that counts here.

I believe even Naidu did the same for Hyderabad, took the charge to Bangalore.

Sometimes we forget we are ONE NATION. I would rather have development based on competitive infrastrucutre, rather than political deals.

^^ I second you in some of your points. Whilst I agree that Modi's action should be taken in a constructive manner, as an example of pro-activeness, I am also happy with the fact that a MP has woken up atleast some ministers/govt officials from TN representing in centre and state.

I take this as a wake up call and if acted properly, it will help retain industries in state(rather than thinking about getting new companies from other state)..

We cannot always satisfy all the states in terms of industries. We cannot have 'exact' equitable growth like socialist principles. We are in a capitalist economy and when one person can lure(literally steal) industries from one state, why shouldn't one try to retain it in the same state?

Ofcourse there will always be growth gaps between states. Be happy that atleast someone is thinking about the welfare of state though we dont know how clean he is really when others are trying to save Raja..

^^ Does this minister understand that he is barking at the wrong tree ?

In a free country, if a distilled idiot MP behaves like they own Hyundai or Ford, it highlights their idiocy. Didnt we bring Samsung from NCR.

If they are even bit serious, they should focus on creating better investment climate. How many years they have been cheating their own promise of a railroad to Sriperumbudur ? How many years the same buffoons have a clout at the centre ?

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All this I have already quoted in my earlier post in the same thread. They have been cheating these companies giving false hopes on good road, rail links...uninterrupted power supply etc. That is not what I meant here..atleast one minister realised that some thing is happening in Industrial front - like ford & hyundai are eyeing Gujarat....

I meant only there realisation..nothing else.

In the wake of reports about Ford India and Hyundai Motor India planning to set up their second plants in Gujarat, Cuddalore MP K S Alagiri has written to Union minister of commerce and industry Anand Sharma seeking the Centre's intervention to stop the companies from moving out of Tamil Nadu.

Alagiri told TOI, "I handed over the letter to Sharma on Wednesday and asked him to intervene and stop the units from moving out of Tamil Nadu. Sharma has promised to speak to the companies." Accusing Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi of starting a rat race by luring the Tatas to set up the Nano plant and now trying to lure Hyundai and Ford, Alagiri said, "In future, Modi will also lure software units from Bangalore to shift base to Gujarat."

Officials of the companies are expected to participate in the Vibrant Gujarat meet in Hyderabad on December 3, where a proposal for expansion is likely to be discussed. "The companies are blaming labour and power problems as reasons for taking investments out of Tamil Nadu and setting up units in Gujarat. These are not problems which cannot be solved," Alagiri pointed out.

This MP's letter to the union minister sounds illogical and he should be ashamed of himself for writing such a letter. It is like a child crying and complaining. The minister must have laughed his head off when he received the letter. How can he stop the companies from moving when they are doing so of their free will. They clearly trust Gujarat more than they trust TN to deliver.

If this MP Alagiri had the guts to stand up to the unions and to the electricity board and ultimately to his own party, then I would have appreciated him. He seems to think that Hyundai and Ford are like state run public sector industries and that some injustice has now been done. In fact, it is these companies that probably feel that the TN govt has not lived up to its obligations.

The only silver lining is that hopefully the govt will see that what matters is providing good infrastructure now and not just promise something for the future.

Sometimes this Congress-BJP oneupmanship may work in our favour. Mr Azhagiri is from Congress.- Read between the lines!

I guess Cuddalore MP Azhigiri's letter to Union Minister Anand Sharma was drafted by P.Chidambaram & his son for some reason which we would know during the election.

I guess Cuddalore MP Azhigiri's letter to Union Minister Anand Sharma was drafted by P.Chidambaram & his son for some reason which we would know during the election.

Guess on what basis - you read / saw / heard any news on this.

Keeping the Party (aka Petty) Politics apart, the industrial atmosphere in Gujarat and the eco system of Govt Depts, sanctioning agencies, Politicos is far far superior than the present TN. Probably, the no of graduate engineers, Diplomas & ITIs available and auto ancilliary eco system of TN is much better than Gujarat.

I know that many companies, who have signed MOUs with the Govt are waiting for months - years in some cases - to get one sanction or other and they are not able to start any operation here. The local level Dadas add to the insult by claiming huge sums as Protection money and employment for their rowdies. Sometimes, the Govt and the Police do not even accept complaints & FIRs in these cases.

TN has to survive only on its Ancilliary Industries & Suppliers strength for Auto Industry development.

^^
A page or two before this.. Nissan top guy has said that they put up their plant in 21 Months flat,shortest among all their plants in the World.Similar sentiment was reported earlier by Nokia and other EMS companies.

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A page or two before this.. Nissan top guy has said that they put up their plant in 21 Months flat,shortest among all their plants in the World.Similar sentiment was reported earlier by Nokia and other EMS companies.

Dude

You are seeing only what is published in paper.

Do you know How much was spent to speed things up? Do you know how many man hours were wasted for getting a normal sanction?

During the initial (first time entry) period, all companies are ready to spend a little more since they are getting an entry. But if similar demands are repeated for every modification, expansion, they get upset.

For the Earlier Nissan, Mahindra people were involved for all the initial work and they are veterans in TN as Mahindra Acres have done many similar jobs.

The modern construction method for factories (esp PEBs) are very fast to construct and that saved a lot of time.

Protection money?? can you tell me the name of the company that had to pay these dadas?

Dude

You are seeing only what is published in paper.

Do you know How much was spent to speed things up? Do you know how many man hours were wasted for getting a normal sanction?

During the initial (first time entry) period, all companies are ready to spend a little more since they are getting an entry. But if similar demands are repeated for every modification, expansion, they get upset.

For the Earlier Nissan, Mahindra people were involved for all the initial work and they are veterans in TN as Mahindra Acres have done many similar jobs.

The modern construction method for factories (esp PEBs) are very fast to construct and that saved a lot of time.

The trouble in the labour front in TN is mainly due to the militancy of the CPM controlled CITU and they are the primary cause for strikes,sit in strikes,obstructing majority of the workers from doing their jobs.This problem has to be addressed by the State Govt otherwise the state may loose many more industries.Power situation has gone bad as the previous AIADMK govt had neglected the power sector (not one power project taken up during their rule 2001-06)As thermal power plants take about 3 to 4 years to complete and start generating, power plants in tuticorin,North madras and the first phase of the nuclear plant at Koodamkulam may be commissioned by atleast the end of 2012.The state govt has to be very proactive in infrastructure developments that includes expressways and connecting roads.As regards local dadas,mamools and recommendations these are common disease all over the country.

Guess on what basis - you read / saw / heard any news on this.

my political knowledge.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2010/12/04/stories/2010120453490400.htm

German automotive major BMW expects the buoyancy in sales to continue next year with more vehicle launches beginning next week.

The company expects to end this year with sales of about 6,000 units, up from 3,600 last year, necessitating to take up second shift at its Chennai manufacturing plant early next year.

As of October, it sold 4,741 vehicles.

“We have made quick strides in India in a short time. For BMW, India has become a strategic market delivering many things much ahead of what we had thought initially. Therefore, the company will consider taking up expansion of its manufacturing facility at Chennai as it begins to produce a few more models next year,” Dr Andreas Schaaf, President of BMW India.

In an interaction with Business Line, Dr Schaaf, who served in diverse markets including China and South Korea, said: “India is in such a position China was a few years ago. But going forward, this is a market no one can ignore to invest and grow. I believe BMW has made the right moves since 2007, both in terms of marketing and manufacturing, which is paying off.

“All expectations from India need to be reviewed as they no longer hold good. In fact, most companies are forced to revise their expectations upwards given the growth. Though the luxury car market is relatively small at 15,000 cars an year, it will get big very soon,” he said.

“The company has 18 dealers and plans to have four more by mid-2011. We are planning to have facilities in all major cities,” he said.

BMW is set to launch a fuel efficient car in the 520 diesel Series in India next week and follow this up with Sports Utility Vehicle X1 priced in the Rs 20-25 lakh category, the latter likely to challenge some of the existing players.

The 5 series sedan priced at Rs 36.9 lakh is expected to give 18.5 km/litre without compromising on power, torque and driveability.

He said BMW has great hopes on this mid-sized limousine packed with innovative features.

Likewise, he said, “BMW is betting big on X1, as a volume driver. BMW never offered cars at this price before. This will attract a lot of buyers to the BMW fold. In fact, we are set to launch few more models next year, which will sustain the excitement.”

n the wake of reports about Ford India and Hyundai Motor India planning to set up their second plants in Gujarat, Cuddalore MP K S Alagiri has written to Union minister of commerce and industry Anand Sharma seeking the Centre's intervention to stop the companies from moving out of Tamil Nadu.

Alagiri told TOI, "I handed over the letter to Sharma on Wednesday and asked him to intervene and stop the units from moving out of Tamil Nadu. Sharma has promised to speak to the companies." Accusing Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi of starting a rat race by luring the Tatas to set up the Nano plant and now trying to lure Hyundai and Ford, Alagiri said, "In future, Modi will also lure software units from Bangalore to shift base to Gujarat."

Officials of the companies are expected to participate in the Vibrant Gujarat meet in Hyderabad on December 3, where a proposal for expansion is likely to be discussed. "The companies are blaming labour and power problems as reasons for taking investments out of Tamil Nadu and setting up units in Gujarat. These are not problems which cannot be solved," Alagiri pointed out.



This is only an eye wash by minister to the public in case, if some body blames him in future

instead, he should have gone to TN Government to do the needful on the changes old and new industries needs

if TN cannot keep new plants of the industres based at TN, how they can attract new industres competing other state, in addition to Delhi, Pune belt, additional competition to the TN is AP and GUJ.

Today , I got a info from my company flash news .... Nissan is going to invest on Engine plant :) They are yet to decide location , hope we bag it :)


No other way to nissan, since they had done massive investment in Chennai, all additional investment in near future will come in chennai only, untill and unless they decide for 2nd plant

What Raji says is correct. TN faces power shortage of anywhere between 2 GW to 3 GW. There are lot of projects in pipeline but significant capacity additions hasnt happened in the last 3 or 4 years. TN was power surplus till 2007. In that year, it turned power deficit due to increase in demand.

There is a thread dedicated to power projects in TN. You can check that out if you want to know the details.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1017009


if this is the case, new power plants are about to start power production in a year,

do you have updates of , if construction of new plants started

Modi’s red carpet kicks up row

Chennai, Dec. 4: The saffron brigade had never been a threat to the DMK government. However, this time, Mr Narendra Modi and his team have actually shaken a few Dravidian folks out of their slumber. And his charm on the state’s industrialists seems to be turning real.

During his whirlwind visit sometime last month, the Gujarat chief minister struck a chord with his audience with a promise of “If you have the plan ready, we will give approvals in two hours”. This saw 10 top industrial houses holding closed-door investment meetings with his team.

More recently, in the wake of increasing labour unrest and power shortages in Tamil Nadu, auto majors Hyundai and Ford were reported to be exploring Gujarat to set up their units. Though these firms may not move lock, stock and barrel out of Tamil Nadu, Gujarat is sure to feature in their future expansion plans, say top officials in the know of things.

This quick reversal of fortunes has certainly caught the TN industries department unawares which was for long been basking in the glory of auto investments. It has even forced an MP from the Congress ally, Mr K.S. Alagiri, to shoot off a letter to Union Commerce minister Anand Sharma seeking his intervention to stop the migration!

For the record, the MP accused Mr Modi of “starting a rat race by luring the Tatas” and about “luring (in future) the software units from Bengaluru”. While some industry veterans feel that the MP was instigated by the government, they are also quick to point out that there is nothing unconstitutional in companies migrating in search of a healthy climate.

If Mr Modi offers better amenities and delivers his promises, why shouldn’t business houses explore the Gujarat option, they ask. Time is money in business and, surely, Mr Modi, a shrewd Gujarati, knows this too well!

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/chennai/modi%E2%80%99s-red-carpet-kicks-row-202

First of all i want to ask u 1 thing to all viewer speaking abt tn infrastructure? do u think guj infra is better than tn infra?

^^ YES

how

most of my friends who visited gujarat during tcs training said guj infrastructure far behind than tn 2nd tier city..

^^I suspect it might that Gujarat has been better in terms of rate of infrastructure development say in the last 10 years, rather than development at any one point of time. And also possibly better at delivering on promises! Just my guess :)

well i really dont think that infrastructure is better in ahmedabad than chennai.. just a mirage.. when media can carry out gimmicks and publish the same items repeatedly, ppl believe its true. my friends currently over there say that infrastructure is fragmented. if u assume that all investment planned are implemented, then guj cities will be chocked..

i would better say that modi is a better gambler..

i don't know if companies view the recent labor issues as critical. it might just be media writing nonsense. even if it were true, i think it is best government plays a hands off issue. it is for company & their employees/unions to resolve their issues. if companies find them unreasonable, they would find alternate ways to run their operations. there are many companies who's exist simply to solve such issues - they train & recruit people and contract them out to companies. there are companies in chennai who supply such skilled/semi-skilled laborers to many steel (sail, jindals) & power companies for their entire o&m.

chennai & tn need to focus on infrastructure. as long as it is good, companies would continue to invest. issues with labor is not for government to solve. i think highways in tn (except around chennai) are good at this point. they however need to continue to invest on roads. i think electricity is at this point the most critical. if tn ensures reliable power supply, companies would continue to invest. they don't care about promises from incorrigibly corrupt governments & their crony administrators.

most of my friends who visited gujarat during tcs training said guj infrastructure far behind than tn 2nd tier city..

Well i have been to Ahmadabad , the city is nice and good ... but definetly not upto chennai in infra and transportation ... but not behind than tier 2 n all!!!! may be i would equate it to Coimbatore :)

most of my friends who visited gujarat during tcs training said guj infrastructure far behind than tn 2nd tier city..

Please answer this question. There is a reason I ask this. What are the things that make up an infrastructure to you and your friends?

Please answer this question. There is a reason I ask this. What are the things that make up an infrastructure to you and your friends?

well i wud luv to answer this... infrastructure is not some 10 flyovers, 5 elevated expressways etc etc.

the term infrastructure for all these companies includes overall infrastructure..
there are
1) health infrastructure
2) educational infra (right from KGs to technical institutes)
3) quality manpower at reasonable cost
4) reasonable port (air, sea and trans) facilities
5) reasonable supporting govt
6) all above this law and order.

7) and again all above this, all kind of infra shud be enjoyable by all kind of people (right from lower class , daily wages to middle class to upper class people)

and i dont thing chennai's infra is too bad given all these points.

the decisions of ford and hyundai must be more logistical than infra oriented.

so, no need to worry.

i remember Ford CEO's views on chennai that as far as Ford is concerned their employeed relationship is very good. (this came at the time of hyundai strikes)

Tamilnadu infrastructure(Road/rail network, transportation, residential location,Schools & colleges,other business opportunity) is much better than Gujarat. They have developed ports and made port connectivity by rail lines and mainly depend on rail lines (Mumbai-Delhi) since GJ has only few main highways(Mumbai-surat-vadodara-Ahmedabad-Rajkot-Jamnagar)(vadodara-udaipur-Jaipur under development) all other connecting roads are not that good. Appreciable thing is GIDC has developed many industrial area through out rail line starts from (Vapi,Valsad,Atul,Nausari,Surat,Ankleshwar,Bharuch,Dahej,Jagadia,Vadodara etc)

Please do not ignore what an investor / industrialist consider as good infra. That is the most important than all others - public, politicos etc.

When an investor / industrialist is made to feel that the infra and the ecosystem is good for his investments and which promises good ROI for his company, he will go ahead. This can not be done by merely publishing in media or basking in past glory. Kolkotha realised this late and has been trying to redeem, whereas the South and West have been very aggressive. North, with the proximity to Delhi has been trying to reap that advantage.

Please consider any individual Share Market investor. He invests into a company which he feels will give the best ROI or at least with less risks. The underlying idea is the same.

Need of the hour is rail link to S'pudur. Somehow, India has lagged behind in providing high speed rail links. Just read few days back that China has built a spreed rail link between Shanghai and Beijing. The dedicated rail freight corridor has to be expedited.

I also understand that residential townships are mushrooming in S'pudur area. That should provide a some relief.

Modi’s red carpet kicks up row

Chennai, Dec. 4: The saffron brigade had never been a threat to the DMK government. However, this time, Mr Narendra Modi and his team have actually shaken a few Dravidian folks out of their slumber. And his charm on the state’s industrialists seems to be turning real.

During his whirlwind visit sometime last month, the Gujarat chief minister struck a chord with his audience with a promise of “If you have the plan ready, we will give approvals in two hours”. This saw 10 top industrial houses holding closed-door investment meetings with his team.

More recently, in the wake of increasing labour unrest and power shortages in Tamil Nadu, auto majors Hyundai and Ford were reported to be exploring Gujarat to set up their units. Though these firms may not move lock, stock and barrel out of Tamil Nadu, Gujarat is sure to feature in their future expansion plans, say top officials in the know of things.

This quick reversal of fortunes has certainly caught the TN industries department unawares which was for long been basking in the glory of auto investments. It has even forced an MP from the Congress ally, Mr K.S. Alagiri, to shoot off a letter to Union Commerce minister Anand Sharma seeking his intervention to stop the migration!

For the record, the MP accused Mr Modi of “starting a rat race by luring the Tatas” and about “luring (in future) the software units from Bengaluru”. While some industry veterans feel that the MP was instigated by the government, they are also quick to point out that there is nothing unconstitutional in companies migrating in search of a healthy climate.

If Mr Modi offers better amenities and delivers his promises, why shouldn’t business houses explore the Gujarat option, they ask. Time is money in business and, surely, Mr Modi, a shrewd Gujarati, knows this too well!

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/chennai/modi%E2%80%99s-red-carpet-kicks-row-202

Adding to this , Modi is trying to make Ferrari invest in sanand ... :) talks are going on ...!!! but sad part is tata nano is fighting hard to break even :(

http://sify.com/finance/michelin-to-set-up-1-billion-tyre-plant-near-chennai-news-default-kmguuwiiajj.html

Michelin to set up $1 billion tyre plant near Chennai
2010-12-06 20:20:00

New Delhi, Dec 6 (IANS) French tyre major Michelin will set up a manufacturing plant near Chennai with an estimated investment of over $1 billion, government and company officials said Monday.

'Michelin is making $1 billion investment in tyre production facilities. The plant will be located near Chennai,' said Commerce and Industry Minister Anand Sharma.

Michelin, the world's second largest tyre maker, Monday signed a memorandum of understanding with the Tamil Nadu government for setting up the plant.:cheers:

'The company will start work on the new manufacturing unit next month,' Prashant Prabhu, president of Michelin group for India, Africa and Middle East, told reporters after signing the agreement.

'It will deliver to customers in India a significant gain in terms of logistics and fuel efficiency without discounting safety and longevity,' said Prabhu.

He said Michelin will manufacture radial truck and bus tyres in its Indian unit. The new plant will provide jobs to over 1,500 people. The production is likely to start in 2012.
:cheers:

chennai & tn need to focus on infrastructure. as long as it is good, companies would continue to invest. issues with labor is not for government to solve. i think highways in tn (except around chennai) are good at this point. they however need to continue to invest on roads. i think electricity is at this point the most critical. if tn ensures reliable power supply, companies would continue to invest. they don't care about promises from incorrigibly corrupt governments & their crony administrators.

To be fair, that simple formula is pretty much what Gujarat has done over the last decade or so, even down to the initial focus on electricity.

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Anyway, as a more general point:

Would like to point out however, that although everyone is very quick and keen to get into Ahmedabad vs Chennai or Ahmedabad vs TN tier 2/3 cities comparison... in reality this of very little relevance to the matter at hand.

The real issue as far as I am concerned, is the Special Investment Region (SIR) act, formulated by the Guj Govt with the sole aim of being more attractive to investors than SEZs found in other parts of the country. This is really what people should be looking at. Sanand as you will all be aware by now is designated to be an Auto-Orientated SIR.

Sanand (along with 11 others in the state) will be completely developed from scratch to international standards - including environmental aspects. In Sanand itself, Japanese major Mitsubishi along with the Govt of Guj are responsible for the overall masterplanning. Although nothing has been announced with this regard, the fact that Mitsubishi are of course also Auto-makers is more than a little suggestive of intent.

Sanand is also in the position of being one of the fast-tracked, "early-bird" projects within the DMIC (38% of which is in Gujarat), therefore having the support of Guj Govt, Central Govt and FWIW, even the Govt of Japan. Along with this level of official support, there is Gujarats record in pro-industrial development, fast infra-addition, infra-quality and of course quicker/cheaper access to Northern-Western India than TN could offer, as well as an array of top quality ports.

Somewhere down the list, would be a mention of 24/7 electricity, narmada water, piped gas grid, low cost of living, low crime rate, no labour issues etc.

Naturally, wouldnt expect everyone in this part of SSC to have an in-depth knowledge of Gujarat, whereas others will have their own agendas behind criticising or downplaying what little of Gujarat does get presented on a national/international level. So just putting forward a bit more of a context into this discussion.

^^ Chill down guys. Businesses go to places where there are more opportunities. That was a report of some MP who wanted to show his concern for the people of his constituency. It is inconsequential. :D

Naturally, wouldnt expect everyone in this part of SSC to have an in-depth knowledge of Gujarat, whereas others will have their own agendas behind criticising or downplaying what little of Gujarat does get presented on a national/international level. So just putting forward a bit more of a context into this discussion.

don't know why you chose my post to comment. if you thought, i had any (negative) views about gujarat, i can assure you i had no such intentions in my post. gujarat clearly is a leading industrial state along with mh & tn.

gujarat may have it's own issues with respect to liquor policy and other hindu ideas. but i am not interested in such debates and certainly not on this thread.

To be fair, that simple formula is pretty much what Gujarat has done over the last decade or so, even down to the initial focus on electricity.

Would like to point out however, that although everyone is very quick and keen to get into Ahmedabad vs Chennai or Ahmedabad vs TN tier 2/3 cities comparison... in reality this of very little relevance to the matter at hand.

The real issue as far as I am concerned, is the Special Investment Region (SIR) act, formulated by the Guj Govt with the sole aim of being more attractive to investors than SEZs found in other parts of the country. This is really what people should be looking at. Sanand as you will all be aware by now is designated to be an Auto-Orientated SIR.

Sanand (along with 11 others in the state) will be completely developed from scratch to international standards - including environmental aspects. In Sanand itself, Japanese major Mitsubishi along with the Govt of Guj are responsible for the overall masterplanning. Although nothing has been announced with this regard, the fact that Mitsubishi are of course also Auto-makers is more than a little suggestive of intent.

Sanand is also in the position of being one of the fast-tracked, "early-bird" projects within the DMIC (38% of which is in Gujarat), therefore having the support of Guj Govt, Central Govt and FWIW, even the Govt of Japan. Along with this level of official support, there is Gujarats record in pro-industrial development, fast infra-addition, infra-quality and of course quicker/cheaper access to Northern-Western India than TN could offer, as well as an array of top quality ports.

Somewhere down the list, would be a mention of 24/7 electricity, narmada water, piped gas grid, low cost of living, low crime rate, no labour issues etc.

Naturally, wouldnt expect everyone in this part of SSC to have an in-depth knowledge of Gujarat, whereas others will have their own agendas behind criticising or downplaying what little of Gujarat does get presented on a national/international level. So just putting forward a bit more of a context into this discussion.

Last month i had been to Gujarat and saw the mindboggling developments in sanand.It will in future take off well for the automobile industries like Anand for the Milk derived products AMUL established for Gujarat.I had interaction with people in Surat,Vadodara,Kakrapara Nuclear power corpn township nearby town of Vyara and surrounding villages and most of them hail Modi and his Govt with hardly any corruption.Infrastructure developments like roadways are coming at fast pace with excellent port connectivity.Gujarat with enterprising people and excellent labour will tilt the existing foreign automobile companies expansion programmes to its state what with ports to support exports and also increase domestic sales in the more bouyant north and western parts of the country.

Gujarat is indeed developing leaps and bounds and it does have the intrinsic advantages which Mr.Ranga has said.

Chennai being on the east coast and export markets pre-dominantly being far-east and east, Chennai does retain that advantage. But with automobile companies expanding their export base to Europe, having a plant in Gujarat will help them.

most of them hail Modi and his Govt with hardly any corruption.

It is so heartening to hear that statement. I wish for a day when we can say that about all of India. Corruption is India's biggest curse at present and only seems to be getting worse. Much as I hate his fundamentalist ideas, I really have to acknowledge Narendra Modi's passion in developing Gujarat. Politically, if only the BJP would shed its Hindutva image, it would make it easier for people to support it. Secularism is the only thing going for the Congress party.

It is so heartening to hear that statement. I wish for a day when we can say that about all of India. Corruption is India's biggest curse at present and only seems to be getting worse. Much as I hate his fundamentalist ideas, I really have to acknowledge Narendra Modi's passion in developing Gujarat. Politically, if only the BJP would shed its Hindutva image, it would make it easier for people to support it. Secularism is the only thing going for the Congress party.

Congress' partner in Kerala is IUML (Indian Union Muslim League). :lol:

Michelin news is a old one(investment in Chennai). I dont think this is a new one.

First of all i want to ask u 1 thing to all viewer speaking abt tn infrastructure? do u think guj infra is better than tn infra?

Gujarat infrastructure is on par with Maharashtra if not better.

sarkozy visit also over.. what happen for peugeot..

alsthom again confirms rail coach plant near chennai

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/indl-goods-/-svs/construction/Alstom-looks-to-ride-Indias-infra-boom/articleshow/7050795.cms

^^ super news.. but post it in appropriate forums like chennai projects/metro thread

Please rename this thread as Gujurat thread.

^^ Yes I agree. Automotive transport / industry @ Chennai at this time of the year?? You got to be kidding me. Unless you aim to be in guiness books or you are a gymnast or work for a circus it's next-to-impossible to do an automotive transportation of any means @ Chennai covered with monsoon waters now.

Infrastructure? Yeah we sure have few navigable waterways now. Does Gujarat have it?

I agree with Step, please rename this thread to something rational :lol: After all we live in a state ruled by rationalist. Please don't exhibit irrational behaviours by naming threads with inappropriate titles.

sarkozy visit also over.. what happen for peugeot..

It is highly unlikely that peugeot will set up a plant in AP given that it's asking for huge sops (a mix of What gujarat has offered to TATA nano and what TN is offering as per it's auto policy) for which the state might not agree based on it's track record. So, personally I would feel that TN/GJ have better chances of getting it.

Source: http://www.andhrajyothy.com/businessNewsShow.asp?qry=2010/dec/8/business/8buss16&more=2010/dec/8/business/businessmain&date=12/8/2010

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2010/12/08/stories/2010120853700101.htm

Roudra Bhattacharya

New Delhi, Dec. 7

To gain a larger slice of the fast growing Indian auto market, US-based Ford Motor Company and German automaker Volkswagen AG are looking at setting up new manufacturing plants in North India.

Sources in the Ministry of Heavy Industries told Business Line that Ford is searching for the right location for a plant with around 2 lakh unit annual capacity. It is expected to take a decision by next year.

"Ford plans to rapidly expand its product range in the Indian market, besides using it as an export base. It wants to set up a new plant in one of the auto hubs, preferably the NCR, which includes the Manesar-Gurgaon auto belt. It is also looking at Uttar Pradesh," said the official.

With the success of its small-car Figo, Ford's 2 lakh unit a year facility near Chennai is currently operating on two shifts and has rapidly scaled up production. Mr Michael Boneham, President and Managing Director, Ford India, said: "We will launch eight new products by 2015 and develop an export base out of India. With the second shift at the Chennai plant we're running at high capacity utilisation levels, but have the option of introducing a third shift if necessary."

Volkswagen, the second largest automaker globally, is also reported to be considering a new plant in North India - in tune with its long-term strategy of a 10 per cent market share here, said the Government official. It will also look to expand capacity at the existing Chakan plant near Pune, which has a 1.1 lakh unit a year capacity.

A Volkswagen company official said, "Nothing is finalised. We're evaluating the cost structure and deciding the models to launch in India. Our plans are under development, but to meet our target market share we would obviously need a new plant."

@KDLARA007

please translate the article as we dont know telugu here..

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2010/12/08/stories/2010120853700101.htm

Roudra Bhattacharya

New Delhi, Dec. 7

To gain a larger slice of the fast growing Indian auto market, US-based Ford Motor Company and German automaker Volkswagen AG are looking at setting up new manufacturing plants in North India.

Sources in the Ministry of Heavy Industries told Business Line that Ford is searching for the right location for a plant with around 2 lakh unit annual capacity. It is expected to take a decision by next year.

"Ford plans to rapidly expand its product range in the Indian market, besides using it as an export base. It wants to set up a new plant in one of the auto hubs, preferably the NCR, which includes the Manesar-Gurgaon auto belt. It is also looking at Uttar Pradesh," said the official.

With the success of its small-car Figo, Ford's 2 lakh unit a year facility near Chennai is currently operating on two shifts and has rapidly scaled up production. Mr Michael Boneham, President and Managing Director, Ford India, said: "We will launch eight new products by 2015 and develop an export base out of India. With the second shift at the Chennai plant we're running at high capacity utilisation levels, but have the option of introducing a third shift if necessary."

Volkswagen, the second largest automaker globally, is also reported to be considering a new plant in North India - in tune with its long-term strategy of a 10 per cent market share here, said the Government official. It will also look to expand capacity at the existing Chakan plant near Pune, which has a 1.1 lakh unit a year capacity.

A Volkswagen company official said, "Nothing is finalised. We're evaluating the cost structure and deciding the models to launch in India. Our plans are under development, but to meet our target market share we would obviously need a new plant."

Ford - Yes to cater to western world Guj might be ideal place to expand.
But for VW - there plans looks stupid. Chakan can cater to North India as well, why they need another plant in North. (I consider Chakan itself to be north of India ) In a land locked areas of North, they cannot expect to grow big on export market. Hence it is good for them to look down south to cater to East Asian markets.

^^ Chill down guys. Businesses go to places where there are more opportunities. That was a report of some MP who wanted to show his concern for the people of his constituency. It is inconsequential. :D

Why Cuddalore MP shows so much concern for peope of Kanchipuram constituency ???

alsthom again confirms rail coach plant near chennai

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/indl-goods-/-svs/construction/Alstom-looks-to-ride-Indias-infra-boom/articleshow/7050795.cms

Your economic times source says it is near chennai. Are you sure it is in sri city in AP or in chennai because I have an year old source indicating alstom's plans in sri city. Not sure whether they changed their mind and putting up the factory in Chennai.

Source: http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2009/08/27/stories/2009082752410100.htm

Why Cuddalore MP shows so much concern for peope of Kanchipuram constituency ???
He never mentions anything specific to the Oragadam belt of Kanchi district. He has referred to TN as a whole. Anyway, it is not worthy to continue with this conversation.

Reading this am getting my doubts if Peugeot has really finalised AP or is it just another VW in the making for them

Peugeot Citroen scouting for space

French carmaker PSA Peugeot Citroen has surveyed two sites in Andhra Pradesh to set up a manufacturing facility. The Paris-based carmaker is expected to revert to the state government with a detailed plan of action in the next calendar year.

A state government official said Peugeot officials surveyed two sites — one near Sri City in Chittoor district and another near Sitarampet in Ranga Reddy district — at different times.

According to sources in the state government, Peugeot officials — including Gregoire Olivier, overseeing Asia operations, and India representative Rajesh Nelluri — yesterday met state government officials, including Principal Secretary (industries) B Sam Bob, Andhra Pradesh Industrial Infrastructure Corporation’s Managing Director, B R Meena, Principal Secretary (investments) Ajay Mishra and Principal Secretary (energy) Sutheertha Bhattacharya, at the secretariat to discuss the project.

The company is expected to invest about Rs 10,000 crore, including Rs 1,500 crore in the first phase, in the facility. The manufacturing unit could provide employment to more than 10,000 people. However, another state government official said, “It is too fluid to say if the company has zeroed in on Andhra Pradesh.”

Sources said the French carmaker had sought a slew of incentives, including 900 acres land, a Rs 600-crore interest-free loan, 100 per cent value added tax (VAT) reimbursement for 21 years and physical infrastructure like roads, power and water and others. The company has asked the Andhra Pradesh government to offer more incentives than Gujarat and Tamil Nadu have and insisted the state government buy ‘some’ cars from it.

So far, Tamil Nadu has allowed 100 per cent VAT reimbursement. The official said Andhra Pradesh had never offered 100 per cent VAT reimbursement for 21 years to any company. The state government will take some time to take a call on the matter, with the Assembly session commencing on December 10, followed by festivals.

The company has been evincing interest to set up a manufacturing plant in the state for almost two years now. However, the plans did not move with the demise of the former chief minister Y S Rajasekhara Reddy last year.

Source: http://www.bsmotoring.com/news/peugeot-citroen-scouting-for-space/2894/1

Sources said the French carmaker had sought a slew of incentives, including 900 acres land, a Rs 600-crore interest-free loan, 100 per cent value added tax (VAT) reimbursement for 21 years and physical infrastructure like roads, power and water and others. The company has asked the Andhra Pradesh government to offer more incentives than Gujarat and Tamil Nadu have and insisted the state government buy ‘some’ cars from it.

:gaah: Stay in France and better don't come to India.

:gaah: Stay in France and better don't come to India.

Yes peugeot builds few of the ugliest cars in current times

How many years has TN provided 100% VAT subsidy for Ford, Renault?

Your economic times source says it is near chennai. Are you sure it is in sri city in AP or in chennai because I have an year old source indicating alstom's plans in sri city. Not sure whether they changed their mind and putting up the factory in Chennai.

Source: http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2009/08/27/stories/2009082752410100.htm

It is near Chennai - so it should be Sri city only. Though Sri city is in Andhra due to proximity to Chennai they quote like this. Moreover I have not read any news on their change of plans.

It is near Chennai - so it should be Sri city only. Though Sri city is in Andhra due to proximity to Chennai they quote like this. Moreover I have not read any news on their change of plans.

Even if they are ready to invest in Chennai, looks like you'll drive them away to sri city.. Dont know why you are too fed up. It may look so easy to boast new infrastructure and planned city but places like sri city are like dotcom bubble.. will go bust any time.. its too early to praise such novice areas though the govt backs it.. v have to wait and watch.

Moreover the businessline link given was a news before the YSR's death. after that two CMs have come in AP plus too much of volatility.. I really dont think that someone will go n invest in AP given the current political situation. But who knows the cat may fall on any side.

sri city development may not be ideal for tn. but it benefits chennai in a big way. i totally hope sri city does well.

Even if they are ready to invest in Chennai, looks like you'll drive them away to sri city.. Dont know why you are too fed up.

Moreover the businessline link given was a news before the YSR's death. after that two CMs have come in AP plus too much of volatility.. I really dont think that someone will go n invest in AP given the current political situation. But who knows the cat may fall on any side.

Don't you think you comment sounds too too funny & kiddish. :lol:

Yup but the same party rules...

I said that there was no news recently about change of location for the manufacturing unit - what is wrong in that??? Cool man.

Don't you think you comment sounds too too funny & kiddish. :lol:

Yup but the same party rules...

I said that there was no news recently about change of location for the manufacturing unit - what is wrong in that??? Cool man.

Ha ha never.. Sri city is not yet an established city. Just because its close to chennai doesnt mean that it will grow leaps and bounds. its just a marketing technique. Just go and see the project status in their website. More than 2 yrs from the start of the SEZ, there is no visible development (to my knowledge) which is evident from the project status link of sricity website. There are few roads, power station and grid etc. They have listed some companies that are starting in sricity, but not sure what is the current status of them.

Also you must note that I completed my comment without a conclusion (that the cat may fall on any side) that means I have no reservations on sri city and all are just my views..

Also understand the fact that the growth of the sricity is uncertain due to its proximity to ISRO centre at sriharikota. Any expansion will be subjected to approval from ISRO.

PS: Replying with comments as 'kiddish' and so tells that how much you value other forumers. This is just a discussion, so take it easy. Just share ur facts/opinions. Both of us cant decide fate of sri city.

PS: Replying with comments as 'kiddish' and so tells that how much you value other forumers. This is just a discussion, so take it easy. Just share ur facts/opinions. Both of us cant decide fate of sri city.

Tell me honestly, dont you find some of the comments by Raji7373 as too too funny & kiddish? :crazy:

Tell me honestly, dont you find some of the comments by Raji7373 as too too funny & kiddish? :crazy:

Ennai vambula maati vidadheenga.. :ohno:

Your economic times source says it is near chennai. Are you sure it is in sri city in AP or in chennai because I have an year old source indicating alstom's plans in sri city. Not sure whether they changed their mind and putting up the factory in Chennai.

Source: http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2009/08/27/stories/2009082752410100.htm

Alstom's assembly plant caters to Chennai Metro in which TN govt is a stake holder. No doubt the plant will be based in TN. It is a question of how much will be invested.

Korea’s Kia begins hunt for India factory

New Delhi: Kia Motors is in the final lap of its India-entry plans. A part of the Hyundai group, the South Korean auto major has begun talks to acquire land for its India foray and is understood to be in negotiations with states like Tamil Nadu and Gujarat for setting up its factory.
An official confirmed the company’s plans, without providing any further details. “We, at Kia Motors, are only in the initial feasibility study stage in terms of deciding if we will eventually enter the Indian market or not. Hence, it is too early at this point to comment on any specific questions,” Michael Choo from Kia’s International Public Relations team said from South Korea.
Sources, however, said that Kia has decided to fast-track its India-entry plans, considering the growing importance of the market globally. The company also wants to enter the market before competition intensifies further, considering that existing players like Maruti, Hyundai, GM and Ford are launching newer products and newer ones like Volkswagen are fast expanding.
Kia, Korea’s second-biggest automaker after Hyundai, has been growing rapidly and its sales in the 11 months ending November are up 28% at 19,08,096 units. The company could target India with its compacts, entry-level sedans and even compact SUVs. Its popular hatchbacks include Picanto and Proceed, besides sedans like Rio and Cerato.
The word Kia derives from Korean words that mean “to arise to the world from Asia” and the company has identified design as its core future growth engine. Kia has a sizeable presence in almost all the key global markets like the US, Europe and China, leaving India as the only notable exception.
A comforting factor for the company is Hyundai’s strong presence in India. Hyundai is India’s secondbiggest carmaker and Kia would be looking at deriving a lot of synergies from its affiliate company’s dominating presence. Joint component and raw material procurement could give them an advantage in buying low-cost while there could be co-operation in areas like logistics and back-end operations.
However, there would be no cooperation on the frontend and Hyundai would continue with its solo branding at dealerships, while Kia finds its feet. Also, a joint manufacturing plant is not on the cards as this goes against the arrangement adopted in other markets and also as Hyundai India does not have enough capacity to adjust another company’s plans.
Kia, in which Hyundai acquired a majority stake in 1998 after it battled bankruptcy following the Asian financial crisis, has been making attempts to strike out a distinct identity for its vehicles globally, leading to the birth of the Tiger Face design language on the grille.
Compact SUVs Soul and Sorento could also make way into India at some point, making them a competition to models from Mahindra, Tata, Ford and Toyota.

Kia will be leveraging its parent firm Hyundai’s presence.


Its Stalin vs Modi. Its DMK vs BJP. lets see whether Tamilnadu wins or Gujarat wins.

Hyundai has launched new variants of Compact car Hyundai i20. Demand for small and compact car is getting up in indian market. A new variant will be cheaper than the earlier one. Hyundai has cut off up to rupees 40,000 for this new variant.

http://www.veethi.com/watermark.php?path=images/city-images/fullsize/Chennai-4818.jpg

http://seekingalpha.com/article/235185-alstom-ceo-discusses-f2q2011-results-earnings-call-transcript
in this site it has been said that the alstom is setting up its plant in chenai.


the date of posting is not too old too. so i believe it might be in and around chennai(Might not be in Sri City coz there has been no sign of declaration from that particular SEZ side and the SEZ infra is lot better in chennai when compared to that

Your economic times source says it is near chennai. Are you sure it is in sri city in AP or in chennai because I have an year old source indicating alstom's plans in sri city. Not sure whether they changed their mind and putting up the factory in Chennai.

Source: http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2009/08/27/stories/2009082752410100.htm


may be due to inter political dispute in TN and AP, decisions may change, as both the parties will try to spend more time in solving their internal dispute,
as TN is nearing for election, DMK may give more attention on politics, AP politics seems also in trouble,

i heard due to high automobile industry, shortly around 5-10 companies new and old are scouting for better options in various states in india, a

Yes peugeot builds few of the ugliest cars in current times

We get Peugeot and Citroen cars here in South Africa - They are VERY POOR QUALITY. Better you don't get them.

TVS to ramp up Hosur plant production for 'Wego'

Country's second largest two-wheeler manufacturer TVS Motor Company plans to ramp up its manufacturing facility at Hosur in Tamil Nadu as part of meeting "huge" demand for its scooterette Wego.

The company had showcased the scooterette in November 2009.

Now backed by huge demand, the Hosur-headquartered company plans to increase its capacity at its plant for production of Wego, TVS Motor Company President (Marketing and Sales) H S Goindi said.
"Tamil Nadu is the largest market for us. We plan to launch Wego in Tamil Nadu market by January or February 2011," he told PTI. Currently, Wego is not available in Tamil Nadu and some eastern regions in the country.

While stressing that TVS has been meeting the demand by constantly upgrading the facility, Goindi said last week that the company plans to ramp up the facility at Hosur to address the demand in Tamil Nadu and also in the country's Eastern regions.

He said the company would increase the capacity from 12,000 units to 20,000 units at the facility.

"The capacity will be increased at the Hosur plant particularly for Wego..", he said, declining to elaborate on the proposed investments for increasing the capacity.

According to company officials, TVS Motor sells around 12,000-15,000 units every month (excluding Tamil Nadu region).

In November, TVS posted 27 per cent growth in two-wheelers' sale.

The company sold 1,53,882 units as against 1,20,844 units in November 2009. Scooter sales also witnessed a jump of 44 per cent at 36,233 units sold as against 25,115 units in November 2009.

With the launch of TVS WEGO, TVS Motor becomes the only company with a wide range of scooters in the market, starting from the entry-level Scooty Teenz, Scooty Teenz Electric to the iconic Scooty Pep+ and the snazzy Scooty Streak

source (http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/tvs-to-ramphosur-plant-production-for-/wego//119127/on)

^^ Above news could be posted in Hosur Thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=517512&page=9), someone posted this already but from different source. :cheers:

Please answer this question. There is a reason I ask this. What are the things that make up an infrastructure to you and your friends?

sorry for the late reply?

According to me and my friend this r some infrastructure that are more available in chennai than guj expect energy i think?
Transportation infrastructure
Energy infrastructure
Industrial infrastructure
Social infrastructure
Cultural & sports infrastructure
Airport infrastructure

I think this information someway connected to auto industry of chennai

CHENNAI: A proposal to sanction a railway line between Avadi and Sriperumbudur will be recommended for inclusion in the forthcoming railway budget, Sriperumbudur Member of Parliament T.R. Baalu said on Tuesday.

Announcing this at a meeting held in Ambattur on railway developmental projects, he said the 55-km rail link, estimated to cost nearly Rs.447 crore, would also link Oragadam and Guduvanchery. A separate rail link between Irungattukottai and Sriperumbudur is also required.

This would benefit the fast developing industrial hubs and also might decongest traffic at Chennai Central railway station as some south-bound trains could be diverted from Avadi to Sriperumbudur.

The project to make Tambaram the third terminal station has been sanctioned by the Central government. Work on the Rs.40 crore project would start soon, Mr.Baalu added.

On the long pending demands of residents of Ambattur, he said tenders have been finalised for a subway to replace level crossing no. 4 at the Korattur railway station. The facility would come up at a cost of Rs.11.25 crore.

Similarly, a road overbridge would soon be provided near LC no. 5 at Pattaravakkam.

To the residents' query about the possibility of constructing a road over bridge near LC no. 6 at the Ambattur railway station, Mr.Baalu said it would be considered. As an immediate measure, the railway authorities agreed to provide an underpass for pedestrians.

Many residents wanted the road overbridge near Ambattur uzhavar sandhai to be widened. K.Varadhan, a resident, demanded that a computerised railway reservation centre must be set up in area. Ambattur Municipality chairman K.N. Sekar said the local body would provide space for the reservation centre.

Villivakkam Member of Legislative Assembly B. Ranganathan said measures must be taken to halt a few express trains at Ambattur. The Metro Rail project must be extended to Ambattur industrial estate.

Talking to mediapersons later, Mr. Baalu said a meeting with officials of Southern Railway, National Highways Authority of India and State Highways would be convened shortly to discuss the widening of the ROB on Chennai-Tiruvallur High Road near Ambattur Uzhavar Sandhai.

Tambaram MLA S.R. Raja, Chief Administrative Officer, Southern Railway, R.Ramanathan and Chief Engineer (Construction) Southern Railway, P.K.Mishra were present.

http://www.hindu.com/2010/12/16/stories/2010121653870300.htm

http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/00309/16IN_RENAULTNISSAN__309495f.jpg
New cars rolling out at the Renault-Nissan plant at Oragadam, near Chennai.

Renault-Nissan alliance may achieve targets in terms of investments into the plant and production capacity, set by the Tamil Nadu Government during the MoU, before the deadline of seven years starting from 2008, said a top official of Nisaan.

According to Kiminobu Tokuyama, Managing Director and CEO, Nissan Motor India, the Japanese auto major has invested Rs. 2,300 crore so far in the Indian plant at Chennai as against the promised Rs. 4,500 in seven years from 2008.

“Of course we don’t need to wait for seven years. We have the production capacity of two lakh as of now and we have invested Rs. 2,300 crore so far. That is the current status. And we are studying the situation to increase the current capacity to four lakh,” Mr. Tokuyama told PTI on the sidelines of launching of Nissan Micra diesel version in Hyderabad.

According to the JV, the plant has been currently producing Nissan Micra, a global sub-compact. The Micra, which is also the first vehicle derived from the new V-platform, is destined for the Indian market as well as for export to over 100 countries in Europe, the Middle East and Africa.

In 2011, the plant will start production of the Renault Koleos and Fluence, both destined for the Indian market.

Mr. Tokuyama said Nissan aims to export a total of 1.1 lakh Nissan vehicles to Europe, Africa and Middle East countries from India. “We have started exports to Europe in October this year. So far we exported 15,000 units. We aim to export 1.1 lakh vehicles in the first year (Oct 2011) to Europe, Middle East and Africa and we will increase it to 2.1 lakh mainly Micro and other future models,” he said.

SRC:http://www.thehindu.com/business/companies/article956340.ece

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Courtesy: Vikatan.com

http://www.marketwire.com/press-release-canada/N-K-Minda-Group-Joins-Hands-With-Kosei-Aluminum-of-Japan-1370365.htm

N K MINDA Group, the USD 380 mn technology leader in Auto Components Industry, and Kosei Aluminum Co., Ltd., a leading manufacturer of Alloy Wheels in Japan, today announced the formation of a Joint Venture (JV).

The JV company, subject to the approval of the ROC (Registrar of Companies), in India shall be named KOSEI MINDA ALUMINUM CO. LTD., and will be established in Chennai. The JV Company is to engage in the development, manufacturing and sales of aluminium alloy wheels and precision aluminium die casting parts for major OE car manufacturers. The Start of Production (SOP) is set to be in summer of 2012 with a set annual volume of 300,000 pieces and from year 2014 it will increase to 600,000 pieces wheels annually.

The JV Company shall have an authorized capital of 500 million rupees with an equity share of 60% -40% of KOSEI and MINDA respectively. The initial investment and the most important aspect of the JV is the availability of top-notch Japanese technology in aluminium casting, which KOSEI will infuse in this joint venture.

In order to cover the broad market opportunities in India, KOSEI and MINDA will establish another joint venture on the outskirts of Gurgaon in Northern India and in this case MINDA will hold the majority share.

குஜராத்தில் உற்பத்தி யூனிட் அமைக்கிறது ஹூண்டாய்

டிசம்பர் 18,2010,15:12
பெங்களூரு : சர்வதேச அளவில், கார்கள் உற்பத்தியில் முன்னணியில் உள்ள ஹூண்டாய் நிறுவனம், குஜராத் மாநிலத்தில், உற்பத்தி யூனிட் அமைக்க உள்ளதாக தெரிவித்துள்ளது. ஹூண்டாய் மோட்டார்ஸ் நிறுவனத்திற்கு சென்னையை அடுத்த காஞ்சிபுரத்தில் 2 உற்பத்தி யூனிட்கள் செயல்பட்டு வருவது குறிப்பிடத்தக்கது. இதுதொடர்பாக, பெங்களூருவில் ஆய்வு நடத்திய ஹூண்டாய் நிறுவன உயரதிகாரிகள் அளித்த பேட்டியில் கூறியுள்ளதாவது : தாங்கள், தமிழநாட்டிலேயே 3வது யூனிட்டையும் அமைக்க திட்டமிட்டதாகவும், ஆனால் அங்கு தொழிலாளர் பிரச்னைகள் அதிகளவில் எழுவதாகவும், இதனை களைய வெகுநேரம் பிடிப்பதாகவும் தெரிவிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது. தமிழ்நாட்டிற்கு மாற்றாக, ஆந்திரா மற்றும் கர்நாடகத்தில் உற்பத்தி யூனிட்டை அமைக்கலாம் என்று நினைக்கையில், அங்கு நிலையற்ற ஆட்சி நடப்பதாக தங்கள் நிறுவனம் கருதுவதால், இறுதியாக, குஜராத் மாநிலத்தை தேர்வு செய்துள்ளதாகவும், இதற்காக, 500 ஏக்கர் நிலம் தேவைப்படுவதாகவும், ரூ. 4 ஆயிரம் கோடி செலவில் அமைக்கப்பட உள்ள இந்த புதிய யூனிட் குறி்த்து, மாநில அரசுடன் பேச்சுவார்த்தை நடத்தி வருவதாகவும் அவர்கள் கூறினர். காஞ்சிபுரத்தில் உள்ள 2 யூனிட்களின் மூலம், ஆண்டிற்கு 6 லட்சம் கார்கள் உற்பத்தி செய்யப்பட்டு வருவது குறிப்பிடத்தக்கது.

http://www.dinamalar.com/business/

குஜராத்தில் உற்பத்தி யூனிட் அமைக்கிறது ஹூண்டாய்

டிசம்பர் 18,2010,15:12
பெங்களூரு : சர்வதேச அளவில், கார்கள் உற்பத்தியில் முன்னணியில் உள்ள ஹூண்டாய் நிறுவனம், குஜராத் மாநிலத்தில், உற்பத்தி யூனிட் அமைக்க உள்ளதாக தெரிவித்துள்ளது. ஹூண்டாய் மோட்டார்ஸ் நிறுவனத்திற்கு சென்னையை அடுத்த காஞ்சிபுரத்தில் 2 உற்பத்தி யூனிட்கள் செயல்பட்டு வருவது குறிப்பிடத்தக்கது. இதுதொடர்பாக, பெங்களூருவில் ஆய்வு நடத்திய ஹூண்டாய் நிறுவன உயரதிகாரிகள் அளித்த பேட்டியில் கூறியுள்ளதாவது : தாங்கள், தமிழநாட்டிலேயே 3வது யூனிட்டையும் அமைக்க திட்டமிட்டதாகவும், ஆனால் அங்கு தொழிலாளர் பிரச்னைகள் அதிகளவில் எழுவதாகவும், இதனை களைய வெகுநேரம் பிடிப்பதாகவும் தெரிவிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது. தமிழ்நாட்டிற்கு மாற்றாக, ஆந்திரா மற்றும் கர்நாடகத்தில் உற்பத்தி யூனிட்டை அமைக்கலாம் என்று நினைக்கையில், அங்கு நிலையற்ற ஆட்சி நடப்பதாக தங்கள் நிறுவனம் கருதுவதால், இறுதியாக, குஜராத் மாநிலத்தை தேர்வு செய்துள்ளதாகவும், இதற்காக, 500 ஏக்கர் நிலம் தேவைப்படுவதாகவும், ரூ. 4 ஆயிரம் கோடி செலவில் அமைக்கப்பட உள்ள இந்த புதிய யூனிட் குறி்த்து, மாநில அரசுடன் பேச்சுவார்த்தை நடத்தி வருவதாகவும் அவர்கள் கூறினர். காஞ்சிபுரத்தில் உள்ள 2 யூனிட்களின் மூலம், ஆண்டிற்கு 6 லட்சம் கார்கள் உற்பத்தி செய்யப்பட்டு வருவது குறிப்பிடத்தக்கது.

http://www.dinamalar.com/business/

:ohno::ohno:

Itz time to take some serious measures to tackle this red menace(Both CITU & LPF).But the present corrupt,impotent SG Headed by THE BLINDMEN a.k.a MahaNadigan a.k.a Vazhum Periyar(Source:DMK Cadre) wont take any hard actions against this militant trade unions and ROGUE Workers as it wud backfire them in next yr elections.
Ipadiye pona inga oru big ticket investment kuda varaadhu...
antha kalathilirundhe ipadi thaana? ivanga maarave matangala??:bash:

>Standard motor strike
>MRF,DUNLOP Strike
>Coimbatore PRICOL strike(workers of CPI-ML killed a HR Manager)
>Hyundai Motors Strike
>BYD Strike and shutdown
>Nokia,Foxconn Strike inum niraya solikite pogalam
>planning of strikes in Sanmina,Asian paints,Ford Motors(some sources say that workers demanding 10 min tea break,they are in talks wth management to get this BASIC right.Romba kashtam, ivanga maara porathe illa:bash:.Follow japanese,chinese model for High industrial productivity.

Also the recent Political Instability in southern states of the country(AP,TN,KA) has helped NaMO Ji to certain extent in getting this project to Gujarat..

GoTN must take effort to retain the other existing players expansion plans
>Ford second plant
> Royal Enfield second plant

:ohno::ohno:

>planning of strikes in Sanmina,Asian paints,Ford Motors(some sources say that workers demanding 10 min tea break,they are in talks wth management to get this BASIC right.Romba kashtam, ivanga maara porathe illa:bash:.Follow japanese,chinese model for High industrial productivity.

whatz wrong in asking for a 10 min tea break? at your work place, dont you go for coffee/ tea break? does your boss bash on your head? its a basic right for a human. that tea break includes nature calls as well... factory work is not like IT job, where if u wanna pee, you can lock ur system and walkout. they can go only in designated timings, as they have to be monitoring the production while its on run.

yes, the strikes should not be misused by unions. and govt should not do vote bank politics. at the same time, in the name of attracting investments, do not feel generous about even giving a 10 min break. the management should talk with union on a compromising formula, so that both interests are not compromised. let the workers take a break in batches, so that their production is not impacting.

after all they r humans, they can't be in the same position / place starting morning till lunch. they will not get flexi working hours like the way we do. be considerate in making blind comments. no diff b/w u and the so call blind cm.

^^
Why curry the old news.

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/article951098.ece

Tamil Nadu has not lost its competitive edge and has received more enquiries from overseas firms on a regular basis for setting up of units. Fresh announcements in this regard would be made soon, said Principal Secretary, Industries, Rajeev Ranjan on Monday.

Referring to a report that Hyundai Motors was eyeing Gujarat for its third plant, Mr. Ranjan said: “It does not make business sense to put all the eggs in one basket. May be, they are looking for opportunities in other States for their third plant after setting up two units in Kancheepuram. They know very well that the State government is fully committed to help the investors.”

^^^ Idiots. They treat investors poorly and then come up with excuses saying investors won't like to put all eggs in one basket. Hyundai must be tired of the abyssmal support it gets from the govt when it come to infra and resolving labour issues. When Maruti can have three plants in Manesar and an R&D center, why not Hyundai?

;69283263 When Maruti can have three plants in Manesar and an R&D center, why not Hyundai?

you need to e-mail and ask that question to hyundai official.

^^^ Idiots. They treat investors poorly and then come up with excuses saying investors won't like to put all eggs in one basket. Hyundai must be tired of the abyssmal support it gets from the govt when it come to infra and resolving labour issues. When Maruti can have three plants in Manesar and an R&D center, why not Hyundai?

Maybe some MK family member would've demanded more suitcases than Modi for clearances. In this era of unimaginable corruption one cannot rule out any possibility. Am sure they will work overtime to sign another big ticket investment to restore the image as an investor friendly destination

^^^ Idiots. They treat investors poorly and then come up with excuses saying investors won't like to put all eggs in one basket. Hyundai must be tired of the abyssmal support it gets from the govt when it come to infra and resolving labour issues. When Maruti can have three plants in Manesar and an R&D center, why not Hyundai?

Hyundai will be taking a wise decision if they chose Gujarat for their third plant as they will be nearer the lucrative markets of west and north of india where maruti has maximum sales.They can take on maruti and break their near monopoly.Chennai would have been considered but not now owing to decling exports particularly to the Euro countries.If exports pickup in future they may expand in chennai but Gujarat also has good port facilities complementing proactive state govt as well as less troublesome labour force.It all depends on their experience in Gujarat time will only answer that.

TN can focus on Agriculture,Food Processing kind of industries(18th century occupation) so dont worry about competition from Gujarat,karnataka and Andhra etc.

Marubudiyum modhalerndha ????!!!!!:doh::doh:

Hyundai will be taking a wise decision if they chose Gujarat for their third plant as they will be nearer the lucrative markets of west and north of india where maruti has maximum sales.They can take on maruti and break their near monopoly.Chennai would have been considered but not now owing to decling exports particularly to the Euro countries.If exports pickup in future they may expand in chennai but Gujarat also has good port facilities complementing proactive state govt as well as less troublesome labour force.It all depends on their experience in Gujarat time will only answer that.

Koreans are extremely cunning in business. Hyundai faced labour problem in korea itself and its chief has faced scam chanrges there. These guys got very good free land and power in the past from GoTN. They want to milk more and trying this blackmail tactics now. After setting up two plants and arranging all the logistics operations here at Chennai, it is like re-inventing wheel for them at GJ. They don't do that immediately. Two years back Toyota did similar blackmailing with GoKA by telling that they expand at Chennai. But EoD they did not move and continued investing more in BLR.

BY the way ..I came to know through some unauthenticated source that the CITU problem is only happening with Korean and Taiwan companies. ANd our local communists took some money from China to do this. They created trouble at Foxconn(Taiwan company) since they moved good number of jobs to Chennai. And there are not much labour trouble with US and europen companies ..except Nokia. Is that really true?

Hyundai will be taking a wise decision if they chose Gujarat for their third plant as they will be nearer the lucrative markets of west and north of india where maruti has maximum sales.They can take on maruti and break their near monopoly.Chennai would have been considered but not now owing to decling exports particularly to the Euro countries.If exports pickup in future they may expand in chennai but Gujarat also has good port facilities complementing proactive state govt as well as less troublesome labour force.It all depends on their experience in Gujarat time will only answer that.

Yes, Gujarat is a paradise for invetors...blah...blah...blah...there he goes again. Next time try the guju thread.

you need to e-mail and ask that question to hyundai official.

The question was rhetorical. We all know the answer. Just venting out anger at lame reasons given by govt officials :bash:

BY the way ..I came to know through some unauthenticated source that the CITU problem is only happening with Korean and Taiwan companies. ANd our local communists took some money from China to do this. They created trouble at Foxconn(Taiwan company) since they moved good number of jobs to Chennai. And there are not much labour trouble with US and europen companies ..except Nokia. Is that really true?

If you see in general, Ford is also having labor issues. They have retrenched a no. of trainees who supported the protests.

This is a regular phenomenon in almost all factories. The actual problem lies with the so called Union Leaders, who claim that they represent the labourers but indulge in 3rd degree extortion / blackmails and whatnot.

Responsible Labour Union is a MUST in every factory since they act as the BRIDGE between the labourers and the management. They have to look at long term benefits and help the management to produce more and in the required quality levels. Then they can demand more facilities also.

The issue is generally spoiled by the labour unions supported by the local political parties or the Reds. I do not know much how INTUC is behaving now, but they seemed better than others earlier.

The local parties instigate the labour (Hyundai, Foxconn etc) and also the students when ever they want to create trouble for someone. The recent Anna Salai siege is an example.

The question was rhetorical. We all know the answer. Just venting out anger at lame reasons given by govt officials :bash:

There are few questions which we need to ask ourselves.

Is Hyundai really planning to set up a third plant? If so then they will definitely talk to couple of states to get a good bargain.
If they are interested to set up a plant in the western part of India, they will talk to both Maha and Gujarat simultaneouly. Likewise, if they are interested in the South they will talk to AP and TN.

If Hyundai is not really happy with the labour union issues, then why there are news reports that Hyundai's Kia is interested to setup its plant in plant TN? Why not Gujarat?

Hyundai India was considered 'close' to DMK. During the last state assembly election, its top official even went to the extent of openly giving a statement against the ADMK Govt just the day before the elections which the media thought was due to the friendship with DMK.

There are few questions which we need to ask ourselves.

Is Hyundai really planning to set up a third plant? If so then they will definitely talk to couple of states to get a good bargain.
If they are interested to set up a plant in the western part of India, they will talk to both Maha and Gujarat simultaneouly. Likewise, if they are interested in the South they will talk to AP and TN.

If Hyundai is not really happy with the labour union issues, then why there are news reports that Hyundai's Kia is interested to setup its plant in plant TN? Why not Gujarat?

Hyundai India was considered 'close' to DMK. During the last state assembly election, its top official even went to the extent of openly giving a statement against the ADMK Govt just the day before the elections which the media thought was due to the friendship with DMK.

If the bolded statement is true, it is to be condemned. They are doing business here and they have no business to get involved in the local politics.

We very well know the (hi)story of East India Company and its business in India.

There are few questions which we need to ask ourselves.

Is Hyundai really planning to set up a third plant? If so then they will definitely talk to couple of states to get a good bargain.
If they are interested to set up a plant in the western part of India, they will talk to both Maha and Gujarat simultaneouly. Likewise, if they are interested in the South they will talk to AP and TN.

If Hyundai is not really happy with the labour union issues, then why there are news reports that Hyundai's Kia is interested to setup its plant in plant TN? Why not Gujarat?

Hyundai India was considered 'close' to DMK. During the last state assembly election, its top official even went to the extent of openly giving a statement against the ADMK Govt just the day before the elections which the media thought was due to the friendship with DMK.

Absolulety right. I just dont understand why some of our friends overeact for a local press reporters hypothetical question. To make matters worse they belittle our state and our strengths by bragging about Gujurat or some other states.

Absolulety right. I just dont understand why some of our friends overeact for a local press reporters hypothetical question. To make matters worse they belittle our state and our strengths by bragging about Gujurat or some other states.

I have no doubt that the top DMK leadership would prefer Hyundai and others to grow in TN only. But they seem to be handicapped by the local labor politics and more preoccupied with few pressing issues lately. Businesses are only wedded to money making, not politicians or state and like water would flow to path of least resistance.
Hence we need to be worried and should have nipped the labor issues in the bud long time back.
In fact politics and politicians should have been taken out of the labor unions.

There are few questions which we need to ask ourselves.

Is Hyundai really planning to set up a third plant? If so then they will definitely talk to couple of states to get a good bargain.
If they are interested to set up a plant in the western part of India, they will talk to both Maha and Gujarat simultaneouly. Likewise, if they are interested in the South they will talk to AP and TN.

If Hyundai is not really happy with the labour union issues, then why there are news reports that Hyundai's Kia is interested to setup its plant in plant TN? Why not Gujarat?

Hyundai India was considered 'close' to DMK. During the last state assembly election, its top official even went to the extent of openly giving a statement against the ADMK Govt just the day before the elections which the media thought was due to the friendship with DMK.

Yes that is true. 10-11 years back when Hyundai wanted to set up a plant in india, Chidambaram and Murasoli Maran was pushing for TN as the destination for the plant. The intensity with which they were compelling to set up the plant in TN , made some top executies think that TN was a seperate country from India.This was stated by one of the Hyundai offical in a book. Also it was mentioned that they bargained for some kind of share in the whole set up based on some concessions given to them. It looks like they diluted the shares early last year and may be sheer coincidence the labor issue started in the plant almost at the same time.
The hyundai offical response was to a question for the dynamics of doing business globally.

JJ was CM when the Ford and Hyundai projects were initiated through MOU"s. MK, PC Maran were not in picture. I don't recall PC ever doing anything except for the L&T shipbuilding facility about 1.5 years back.

There are few questions which we need to ask ourselves.

Is Hyundai really planning to set up a third plant? If so then they will definitely talk to couple of states to get a good bargain.
If they are interested to set up a plant in the western part of India, they will talk to both Maha and Gujarat simultaneouly. Likewise, if they are interested in the South they will talk to AP and TN.

If Hyundai is not really happy with the labour union issues, then why there are news reports that Hyundai's Kia is interested to setup its plant in plant TN? Why not Gujarat?

Hyundai India was considered 'close' to DMK. During the last state assembly election, its top official even went to the extent of openly giving a statement against the ADMK Govt just the day before the elections which the media thought was due to the friendship with DMK.

Anniyan's post makes sense. Lets see if Kia sets up a plant here before turning judgmental.

Lots of "Bhagavatham" type stories. Like in many stories,everything will end in 'happiness'.After all 'Sri Devi' is closely watching.

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Dear Anniyan - First of all, congrats for completing 5000 posts - thats quite an achievement.

We are not sure abt the actual plan of Hyundai - they seem to be speculating abt their third plant and probable locations - may be just to get more sops from TN - and that could be the reason why Mr. Rajeev Ranjan reacted that way.

JJ was CM when the Ford and Hyundai projects were initiated through MOU"s. MK, PC Maran were not in picture. I don't recall PC ever doing anything except for the L&T shipbuilding facility about 1.5 years back.

PC and Maran (Senior) were Union Ministers at that time. Please look through the Share Holding Details of Hyundai (India) at that time. Who gave the land for the factory?

land is a state subject. Centre has no role to play in this matter. in 95-96, PVN was PM and PC was in TMC, a party formed when PVN had alliance with AIADMK . Only when devegowda became PM sometime in 96, PC became a central minister again.

I am not wrong when hyundai came to India/TN Murasoli Maran was the Industrail minister.

PC and Maran (Senior) were Union Ministers at that time. Please look through the Share Holding Details of Hyundai (India) at that time. Who gave the land for the factory?

PC was the union minister in the congress govt of P.V Narasimha Rao upto 1996.Murosoli Maran was the cabinet minister in the Vajpayee lead NDA govt from 1998.Between 1996 to 1998 Devegowda and Gujral lead united front Govt existed.This was the period when Ford and Hyundai projects evolved.PC had no role to play.He may be an efficient Minister but did nothing for TN.His own parliamentary constituency,Sivaganga, is most backward area hardly with any development despite being represented by a prominent cabinet minister like PC.

PC was the union minister in the congress govt of P.V Narasimha Rao upto 1996.Murosoli Maran was the cabinet minister in the Vajpayee lead NDA govt from 1998.Between 1996 to 1998 Devegowda and Gujral lead united front Govt existed.This was the period when Ford and Hyundai projects evolved.PC had no role to play.He may be an efficient Minister but did nothing for TN.His own parliamentary constituency,Sivaganga, is most backward area hardly with any development despite being represented by a prominent cabinet minister like PC.
Still the mystery continues whether PC has won the seat or ... LOL

PC was the union minister in the congress govt of P.V Narasimha Rao upto 1996.Murosoli Maran was the cabinet minister in the Vajpayee lead NDA govt from 1998.Between 1996 to 1998 Devegowda and Gujral lead united front Govt existed.This was the period when Ford and Hyundai projects evolved.PC had no role to play.He may be an efficient Minister but did nothing for TN.His own parliamentary constituency,Sivaganga, is most backward area hardly with any development despite being represented by a prominent cabinet minister like PC.

Sivanganga has the first solar farm in India.

Yes that is true. 10-11 years back when Hyundai wanted to set up a plant in india, Chidambaram and Murasoli Maran was pushing for TN as the destination for the plant. The intensity with which they were compelling to set up the plant in TN , made some top executies think that TN was a seperate country from India.This was stated by one of the Hyundai offical in a book. Also it was mentioned that they bargained for some kind of share in the whole set up based on some concessions given to them. It looks like they diluted the shares early last year and may be sheer coincidence the labor issue started in the plant almost at the same time.
The hyundai offical response was to a question for the dynamics of doing business globally.

Your comments makes no sense. What Hyundai offical book are you talking about? What shares did they dilute and where? HMIL is subsidary of Hyundai motar corp. Can you share some facts instead of throwing nonsense. I wish TN can benfit from central minsiters like AP or MH.

Hyundai Korea was in deep financial trouble around the time when Chennai plant was being planned. It was almost dropped.

It is rumoured that TN Past Present union ministe/s were responsible for bringing in the investment money for Hyundai and shares were issued.

The land records will open up more truths on who were actually owners of the lands in and around Irungattukkottai and who all benefited.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2010/12/25/stories/2010122553390200.htm

French carmaker PSA Peugeot Citroen, which is expected to announce a new manufacturing plant in India as early as next month, is yet to decide where to set up base in the country.

According to sources, by mid-January the company will make a choice from among several sites it has reviewed in both Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh.

Eyeing the lucrative investment, which is expected to be in the €800 million and €1 billion (Rs 5,900 crore) range, both the States have offered Peugeot a slew of incentives.

TN's offer

A Tamil Nadu State Government official told Business Line that the State has offered a “detailed package” as part of its ultra-mega policy for auto companies.

This includes easy interest rates for loans, tax incentives like a VAT discount, assured availability of skilled manpower and access to ports for export.

“Peugeot officials have been holding discussions for a long time now. In the last one and a half month they have had three major meetings with State officials and have visited several sites.

They sent technical teams to several sites and also met the Deputy Chief Minister,” said the official.

AP's offer

Peugeot officials have also extensively visited sites in Andhra Pradesh as well. According to a State Government official, two sites have been earmarked by the company in Nellore and Chittoor, while the nearby port of Krishnapatnam has also been offered for exports.

“A decision on the plant is expected by mid-January next year. They have asked for 800-1,000 acres of land and have visited some sites. The company has indicated investments of close to Rs 6,000 crore,” said the official.

When contacted, a senior Peugeot official confirmed that the company is yet to make its final decision. With automakers like Ford, Hyundai, Daimler-Benz, BMW and Renault-Nissan all having substantial investments in Tamil Nadu, the State has developed into one of the largest auto hubs in the country. The advantage for any new automaker would be the nearby presence of many component makers, said the Tamil Nadu State official.

An industry official said, “The exemption on payment of VAT (which is at 12.5 per cent) on each vehicle is a huge benefit for any manufacturer. Besides, both the States can provide other sops like a commitment on labour, infrastructure and port facilities for export. Tamil Nadu has an advantage as many automakers already have a base there, so Andhra Pradesh may have to offer something extra.”

Earlier this month, PSA Peugeot Citroen CEO, Mr Philippe Varin, had been quoted in the media saying that the company's plans for re-entering India has entered “an active phase” and it would “have something to say in January or February.”