papervag posted this 2 weeks back. n
Energy Australia have lodged an application for the substation to be built on the empty site opposite Belmore Park.

From the north:
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k160/papervagina/belmoreparksubstation-1.jpg

From the south west:
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k160/papervagina/belmoreparksubstation-2.jpg

From Central:
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k160/papervagina/belmoreparksubstation-3.jpg

http://majorprojects.planning.nsw.gov.au/index.pl?action=view_job&job_id=2200

earlier unit approval
("Park Central"):

http://www.stanisic.com.au/images/live+work/parkcentral/main/parkcentral_02.jpg

original 1918 hotel sydney
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3322/3230249934_0ab244cb4f_o.jpg

I dunno bout this one, the render quality is terrible. Although I have to say glass would be a nice addition to the atrocious Meriton concert and balcony walls of the south.

The Hotel Sydney demolished. Another dam tragedy!!! Would of been a nice little landmark as you came down the ramp from central.

Another lost gem of a tragedy. And so i don't have to repeat myself -

The more I think about this one the more of a wasted opportunity this really is. Such a thing should not sit on a city park. For fck sake, it's on a park in australia's premiere city. Who the hell is running planning in this city? Yes, it's as good as a sub station gets but it's a bloody sub station. This is prime apartment territory and the view it will create adjacent to the park is just wrong.

Will they transplant the maturing Plane trees? By harshly cutting back on the branches these trees can be saved for use elsewhere... Who do I ask about that I wonder?

Being non-native, fast growing street hardy trees, and as common as aresholes, I think they will end up well used as mulch.

Half the city are 'non-native' trees as I'm sure you are too. Do you have native heritage arsehole? Or are you just another european descendant thinking with your small head as your avatar implies?

^ funny bra! you're that sort of dude that pulls his hair out and slaps his face when someone pulls out in front of you on the road yeah? yes, it's all about the small head.

looking from train this morning, seems to be lots of action on site. mobile cranes trucks ect.

^^ I though the activity was around the back of the defense building?

I walk past here each morning and the carpark is still the carpark :dunno:

Its a pity that row of Edwardian era buildings in particular that hotel are long gone. :(

I have to say it looks pretty good for an electricity substation. In fact, it looks better than the surrounding generic Meriton crap. That it blocks half of the floors of said crap from view from Central is a bonus.

I do like the Northern and Western facades, too. A shame the southern is so bland, but I suspect the shadow plane has more to do with that than anything.

It really is a tragedy that the row of older buildings is gone. I imagine they fit in *perfectly* there.

sincity-your right. i jumped the gun.lol

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2651/4115845485_2c34251507_o.jpg

Would such a reflective building be allowed?

So that is what is being developed on that site. ha, it has being empty land since i have being visiting Sydney since 2006.

If the design plans down at the bottom of page are correct, it should fit in nicely, very modern design.
and if so, finaly some development here from what i gather from Cul's pic below.

This site is doomed - nice heritage building destroyed, empty for years and now mature trees gone and we'll be left with this horrid eyesore building for good! :bash:

^ yeah, totally fckt up! i can't believe that the powers that be let this go in such a prime spot.

I went past the site last week. No real change from last month. I have noticed some work going around Central Square, but I cannot say if it is connected to this or not.

Is Central Square the one next to it? They've been working on that for ages; I think they're building a cafe area along the western side.

central sq owners added more podium to existing.

This buildings roof would be perfect to cover in solar panels just makes sense. Instead of building a glass roof the roof should be made of the panels

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k160/papervagina/belmoreparksubstation-3.jpg

This one is also UC now! The render on the board concerns me, ie, looks like a small brown box with a carpark off to the side along Pitt St. Hmmm, now even more inappropriate for that site.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4025/4286613385_06ecea2c76_o.jpg

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It was always meant to be constructed in stages (substation first, offices later), but the brown... oh, the brown... no idea where that came from.

Maybe they'll enclose it in glass?
PLEASE!

Maybe that's the base of the brown(/grey) box in these renders and it will be covered in glass at a future stage???

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k160/papervagina/belmoreparksubstation-1.jpg

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k160/papervagina/belmoreparksubstation-2.jpg

yeah first stage was always the substation.the resi stage will follow and hid the substation.

Phew!

yeah first stage was always the substation.the resi stage will follow and hid the substation.

How long do we have to wait for the next stage though? Hopefully not another 10 years.

i reckon just after its finished. maybe 2012ish.
its actually a great location for a unit block.

^ but it's going to be offices isn't it?

Offices, yes.

The project report (http://majorprojects.planning.nsw.gov.au/files/35436/2.%20Belmore%20Park%20Submissions%20Report%20and%20Preferred%20Project%20Report_Main%20Report.pdf) from the planning department's determination (http://majorprojects.planning.nsw.gov.au/index.pl?action=view_job&job_id=2200) contains some information about the temporary facade and the staging of the development:

4.1.2 Temporary Substation Façade Treatment

In the current economic climate it is not possible to predict the property market with any degree of certainty. EnergyAustralia acknowledges that it may not find a developer to construct the proposed commercial development in the originally anticipated time frame of one to two years following construction of the zone substation and that it may be five to ten years before the integrated development is realised. The temporary façade treatments and landscaping has therefore been revised to account for the following two stages:

Stage 1 – Stand alone substation only.

Stage 2 – Integrated commercial development.

In Stage 1 the substation façade treatments are consistent with the exhibited design with modifications to suit the revised transformer technology. In addition, EnergyAustralia has consulted with the eastern neighbour and with CoS Council to obtain and incorporate its views on the proposed façade treatments where possible. It is proposed to provide temporary facades for the building to be removed in the future when the integrated development is constructed. The temporary façades would extend down to within approximately 3.5 metres of the footpath level. The lower 3.5 metres would have a permanent honed granite cladded finish as indicated on the drawings and photomontages contained in Appendix A. It is proposed to use a cladding material with a nominal design life of 10 to 15 years, although it is not anticipated that it would be required for that length of time.

The west façade has been designed to provide visual interest to an otherwise blank wall. It responds to the colour of the surrounding built landscape with an accent on the sandstone and red brick tones. The otherwise flat relief is broken by a rectangular area of recessed cladding which is further emphasised by creative illumination within this recess feature at night time. The cladding terminates approximately 3.5 metres above ground level. A “green” landscape wall would be provided along this lower apron to provide further interest and to provide continuity with the adjacent Belmore Park.

The north, south and east faces of the substation would feature prefinished metallic light silver cladding as an appropriate neutral background to the natural landscape of the adjacent Belmore Park with the coloured cladding referred to above as infill to provide continuity around the building and to create a bold contrast with the light silver cladding. The wall cladding up to approximately 3.5 metres height to the north and south-street frontages and returning partly into the east façade would be a honed black granite cladding. The Stage 2 integrated design remains as per the original drawings exhibited in the EAR. The intention is that the future owner and EnergyAustralia would remove the temporary cladding and replace with the finish described in the exhibited EAR.

In recognition of the semi-permanent nature of the temporary façade and as suggested by CoS Council at a meeting on 29 April 2009, EnergyAustralia intends to continue the consultation process and obtain advice from CoS Council’s design advisory panel in lieu of a design review panel workshop as was used for the integrated building.

oh well,it was resi,maybe developers realised cant have resi use as part of a substation dev.?

oh well,it was resi,maybe developers realised cant have resi use as part of a substation dev.?

wouldnt a large substation like that, cause radiation or some health hazards even for office workers?

It's better that they keep it commercial given the shortage of space around town. The blocks around the site are predominantly residential.

Meh ....... I guess my question has been answered over what was happening on this site ...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2764/4404871365_c1ff0efb2f_o.jpg

I actually liked the Park Central development that was approved on this site. Ah well, at least we're getting *something* which is pretty much all we can hope for in this City sometimes.

It was a real shame also that the grand old building was demolished. Do we know when? I'm guessing 1960s? It's funny, back then it would have been a derelict eyesore with no potential, now we see so much value in adaptive reuse opportunities for such buildings.

i reckon this will look cool

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3402/4559975238_0cc22b0548_b.jpg

section showing stages
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3104/4559346393_c0a5fd002b_b.jpg

So that one's going to start after the substation's finished?

Can't say I like any of the renders. It looks bulky, boring and a bit of an eyesore (particularly in that render Cul posted)

the 5storey suby will be finshed in 12mths, then stage2 office block wil be buuilt. yes the glass shard i posted. i think will look good instead of the normal bland resi bldg.

We've only seen one render of one angle. A bit early for judgement.

There are three renders from three different angles on the previous page...

Oops, sorry about that.
Should of looked first.

^ yes, you should.

It is UGLY, this and all those windowless telephone exchanges around the city are a blight.

Should please the less discriminating glass fetishist.

No doubt its only going to be 60m due to overshadowing of Belmore Park?:ohno: Its the CBD for crying out loud. What a bureaucratic crock.

the buildiungs shape is the maximum envelope for the site due to strict sun access to belmore park. 25m wall at hay st, and sloping up to 60m up to campbell st.

model is in
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1331/4601131192_d2f107e2fd_o.jpg

Cul, you are going to have to stop using flickr. You mustn't have read the memo yet. The only reason why you see them is because you have them cached locally on your machine. No one else can see flickr links anymore unless they open them separately then they get caches for that person too.

^are you serious? i have over 4000 photos on flickr.why have they done this?

Because people kept posting photos from flickr that weren't there's and didn't include a link back to the flickr page for the photo...

fuck it
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7019/4601131192d2f107e2fdo.jpg

It looks ridiculous. "Let's just build the allowed envelope and cover it in glass!"

feel sorry for apartments behind it. views south towards belmore park and central railway, now =nil

and to look at a pile of shit too, bummer indeed

Blocking the views of the apartments is the only good thing about this - the reflective glass will forever remind the people in those awful apartments how ugly their own building is.

I find it hard to say anything about the block in the model as there's nothing there - I just hope I'm right in assuming it is only an indicative model. Not sure what that colour change means either.

Blocking the views of the apartments is the only good thing about this - the reflective glass will forever remind the people in those awful apartments how ugly their own building is.

We could all stand outside with magnifying glasses and shine the rays on the apartment form the reflective glass and get a bonfire going?

a 240m tower is going here.
sorry 24m tower ;-(
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Crane :)

October 1 2010

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October 13 2010

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from clock tower today
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^^ Holy crap. That should be posted in the Density thread.

I agree, new york density there.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1259/5165254089_3441ef58eb_o.jpg

Here is some images I have taken, the construction site is next door to the building I work in.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o286/Davighia/IMG_1454Medium.jpg
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Enjoy:cheers:

good job.,
thanks

December 17 2010

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thanks, really fast progress

Must be the worst development in South Seedey for a long while- actually the neighbouring Meriton buildings share the infamy.. Just wrong.

Re' post number 76:
If you think the Meriton building on the corner of Campbell and Pitt streets is bad from the outside you should take a look inside, this will really confirm your opinion in spades.
I looked at the three penthouses when they were on the market around April 2008, Meriton was asking well over a million for each (with the price dropping day by day).
Each penthouse is of two levels and all three have great views, having said that everything else is bad; narrow corridors and stairways, tiny rooms, the same crappy finish as one would expect in the cheapy units at the bottom of the tower.
Compared to CBD developments by Colliers, etc. they were laughable.

Isn't it odd that most people don't realise that a new underground transmission tunnel will be built? Over 3km long tunnel encircling the Northern CBD. It will also be connected to this site. So it is expected to be commissioned around 2016, around the same time the new transmission line will be operational.

I think this substation is 132Kv as well as the Bligh Street.

Can anyone explain to me why you can't build a substation and just stick a tower on top of it? Is there some health/engineering problem I don't know about?

You can (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=16039&page=50), shaggsy.

And at Bligh Street they're promising to do it with such panache, such style, such aesthetic sensibility!!!
(Sarcasm Alert!)

There is a moderately sized office component planned on top of the CityGrid construction, isn't there?
(Too lazy to wade back through the posts...)

Can anyone explain to me why you can't build a substation and just stick a tower on top of it? Is there some health/engineering problem I don't know about?

Silly planning policies that restrict height. :bash:

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:cheers:

There is a moderately sized office component planned on top of the CityGrid construction, isn't there?
(Too lazy to wade back through the posts...)

tutt tutt, you're breaking your own rules there ...

Sometimes a man's gotta do...
or, maybe I'm just having a bad brain day.
Or, figured some other bugger could do the search this time.
(Jeez, life's hard...)


[note to briz: note own comment in Ryde/Rhodes thread - tsk, tsk, tsk.]

Rules = meant to be broken?

You can (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=16039&page=50), shaggsy.

OK... so why not in this situation? If this is a power station the land must be owned by council or State gov... yes? You;d think they'd have built a tower on top to squeeze some extra money from the site. What am I missing?

For starters, any tower on that site would cast a shadow over Belmore Park. The 22 storey tower on the eastern end (once known as the 'Tivoli Site' after the old burlesque theatre that used to occupy it) was built in the late 1970s (?) before the shading issue became a regulation. I think they can go to ±12 storeys given the apartment tower that was approved before EnergyAust bought the site.

EnergyAust seems to be a power unto itself, e.g., it is refusing to co-operate in the development on the Epsom Precinct at Zetland & there's nothing legal can be done to 'bring about' its co-operation.
Note also its obduracy in the development of the RJS site in Bligh Street.

OK... so why not in this situation? If this is a power station the land must be owned by council or State gov... yes? You;d think they'd have built a tower on top to squeeze some extra money from the site. What am I missing?

Take a look at the first post in the thread. They're planning to build offices beside the substation, but I'm not sure whether they're building any above it. The problem in this case is sun access to Belmore Park; it's important that hobos have access to sunlight at 2pm every day of the year.

EnergyAust seems to be a power unto itself, e.g., it is refusing to co-operate in the development on the Epsom Precinct at Zetland & there's nothing legal can be done to 'bring about' its co-operation.
Note also its obduracy in the development of the RJS site in Bligh Street.

Could you explain more about EA and Epsom Precinct at Zetland?

As for RJS site, unlike the previous proposal with a tall void, the latest proposal has a substation which rises 30m. So there is little room to stretch with its FSR.

EA is building about 43 new substations to replace 33Kv with 133Kv and more sophisticated back-up system.

As for RJS site, unlike the previous proposal with a tall void, the latest proposal has a substation which rises 30m. So there is little room to stretch with its FSR.

I doubt a substation uses up much floor space - how many floors are there in a substation? Would a substation even be included in FSR calculations?

From Green Square & Victoria Park thread
p.78

EPSOM PARK, Zetland, will be located between Victoria Park and Epsom Road, between South Dowling Street-Link Road and Joynton Avenue.
Area approx. 19 hectares.
Buildings of up to 15 storeys; general height limit of 29m (8 storeys), towers to c.45m; potential for c.2500 'residential units' and a population of c.4,000. Green Square Health & Recreation Centre on Joynton Avenue. This is a long term project (read ±20yrs - at least).
Planning documents by Conybeare Morrison on the agenda for City of Sydney Meeting on Monday 9 August (2010).

The EA depot is at 122 Joynton Avenue at the north west section of Epsom Park site adjoining Meriton's 114-120 Joynton Ave project and Victoria Park from George Julius Avenue to Defries Avenue. The masterplan for the Epsom Park precinct has been developed by CofS, however, both the EA & Sutton's Motors (on the south east section fronting Link Rd) have refused to co-operate with the council in this development in an outburst of civic pride and corporate responsibility. Pretty weird attitude as they have the potential to make a motzah from the real estate.

I doubt a substation uses up much floor space - how many floors are there in a substation? Would a substation even be included in FSR calculations?

About 2000m2 for a city substation to join with planned 3.5km transmission tunnel.

This entire building in the City West is an EA substation

http://www.australiandesignreview.com/data/images/projects/photos/0005/0955/AJA-City-North-Substation-1.jpg

January 28 2011

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Although this looks like a typical substation, it costs almost 3x more than an average substation which costs about $40m. This is about $107m and has a lift shaft to underground transmission tunnel under proposal. It's not what above ground that is important but the below-ground where most equipment are housed. Lots of capital works happening there.

Pics taken today 15/02/2011
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They have started to put a lot of pre fab concrete walls up now.
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I was on a train yesterday (4/3/2011) and some good news about this one. It is now at ground level.

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May 13 2011

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June 3 2011

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By fabianamuso (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/fabianamuso) at 2011-06-04

July 29 2011

It is now above street level. :)

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By fabianamuso (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/fabianamuso) at 2011-07-30

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By fabianamuso (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/fabianamuso) at 2011-07-30

last night from metro inn
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btw, the DA is coming in soon for the building planned for above this substation. looks like its happening sooner rather then later

Wednesday:

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October 14 2011

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January 27 2012

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By fabianamuso (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/fabianamuso) at 2012-01-28

2UE News is reporting in their midday bulletin that a worker has fallen three metres on the site and died in hospital this morning. Workers have walked off the site and there will be a stopwork meeting tomorrow. Workcover is investigating.