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Miami Marlins

2x Champion:
1997, 2003





The stadium deal is as close as its ever been and is up for approval this week. If approved construction would start in November. Also if approved the Florida Marlins will change their name to the Miami Marlins. The stadium will be built on the current site of the Orange Bowl in the Little Havana neighborhood of Miami, less than two miles from downtown miami.
These renderings are a little dated since the stadium adjacent to it is now being destroyed (its the original Orange Bowl) theres no word if these are the renderings they will use. Cost have now exceeded half a billion dollars. It will seat 37,000.

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Oh wow....this looks awesome. Who is paying for it though? Knowing Jeff Loria, it wouldn't surprise me if he is asking the local governments to split the cost in half or something ridiculous.

^^You got it :ohno:

damn, that looks pretty good. Is this a real proposal?

My word! It's beautiful! :okay:

Really nice. It has a Florida look to it, IMO.

Very interesting, perhaps not the most cleanest or most coheive, but thats definitely the most attractive retractable roof I have seen

^^You got it :ohno:

If its true, I don't understand why the roof (expensive, no doubt) was approved. I know it gets hot and rainy in Florida during the baseball season but do they really need a retractable roof?

If its true, I don't understand why the roof (expensive, no doubt) was approved. I know it gets hot and rainy in Florida during the baseball season but do they really need a retractable roof?
Well, it does tend to rain a fair amount in Miami. And a climate-controlled facility would allow it to hosts all sorts of different events. :)

Great but why a retractable roof?
Baseball is a summer sport and summers are hot and shinny in Florida?

^^Hot, humid, muggy, rainy days are a better way of describing the summer down here.

If its true, I don't understand why the roof (expensive, no doubt) was approved. I know it gets hot and rainy in Florida during the baseball season but do they really need a retractable roof?

Of course they do. Summers are impossibly hot in South Florida (100 plus degrees). It ain't Canada, dude.

if it is as hot as Arlington Texas in the summer, men they need a roof. We wish they had a roof on the ball park in arlington for the Texas Rangers.

if it is as hot as Arlington Texas in the summer, men they need a roof. We wish they had a roof on the ball park in arlington for the Texas Rangers.
It looks like they could put one on if they wanted to. :)

A fixed roof would cost Miami less but then they would be cooped up inside a dark dome when days are nice, a scene similar to Tropicana Field in Tampa. And the Rays want out of their cave.

:cheers:

It looks like they could put one on if they wanted to. :)

A fixed roof would cost Miami less but then they would be cooped up inside a dark dome when days are nice, a scene similar to Tropicana Field in Tampa. And the Rays want out of their cave.

:cheers:

The rays have plans for a new stadium
its HUGE and nice

Agree on the retractable roof. Baseball in a hot climate all summer is simply a beating. If you notice, most of the ballparks in the hottest areas have retractable roofs or a roof. Houston and Arizona. Arlington is the one joke that doesn't have one. When asked about it, Tom Hicks thinks the idea is ridiculous. I don't. Perhaps if he looked at his non-existant track record(and the team's history) of getting high priced, free agent pitchers in Arlington, he might realize there is a mental land two fold physical problem with that ballpark. 1.) Playing in that heat is mentally draining for all positions, 2.) Pitching in that heat is a beating, 3.) Hitting in that same, hot rising air is dangerous to ones ERA, especially a park that cut off its only protection from being a home run mecca. Yet he scoffs. All that to come to the conclusion, that the Marlins(a team that has actually won something) would be wise to control their elements as Houston and Arizona have.

The stadium looks nice. But I really don't get it how the city of Miami could fall for the blackmail of Loria. They'll be wise if they will keep the team in Miami for the next 50 years. Otherwise Loria will move the team somewhere else if they don't draw over 2000 fans per game.

I know baseball is business. But Loria is only interested in making money. He doesn't give a damn about the fans. Why else would he trade away Cabrera and Willis to the Tigers? He already killed a franchise. The man is no good for baseball.

Agree on the retractable roof. Baseball in a hot climate all summer is simply a beating. If you notice, most of the ballparks in the hottest areas have retractable roofs or a roof. Houston and Arizona. Arlington is the one joke that doesn't have one. When asked about it, Tom Hicks thinks the idea is ridiculous. I don't. Perhaps if he looked at his non-existant track record(and the team's history) of getting high priced, free agent pitchers in Arlington, he might realize there is a mental land two fold physical problem with that ballpark. 1.) Playing in that heat is mentally draining for all positions, 2.) Pitching in that heat is a beating, 3.) Hitting in that same, hot rising air is dangerous to ones ERA, especially a park that cut off its only protection from being a home run mecca. Yet he scoffs. All that to come to the conclusion, that the Marlins(a team that has actually won something) would be wise to control their elements as Houston and Arizona have.

agreed, no one in the DFW area wants to go to a Rangers game in the middle of a July, August day. It needs a roof and any warm summer area needs a retractable for the warm weather days when there is no wind, 100+ degree heat and humidity. Man, you cant pay me to go to those games .

so does this mean no move for either the Rays or Marlins now? Very suprising. I thought at least one of the two Florida teams would have gotten the hell out.

so does this mean no move for either the Rays or Marlins now? Very suprising. I thought at least one of the two Florida teams would have gotten the hell out.

The Rays have plans. First they have to get out of the Tropicana Dome. Then they have to finance the construction of the new stadium. So no decisions yet.

The Rays have plans. First they have to get out of the Tropicana Dome. Then they have to finance the construction of the new stadium. So no decisions yet.

their grand plans are the most suprising. I think most MLB fans assumed that team was gone--whisked away to Portland or Indianapolis. I hope they get that new stadium off the ground though--its awesome.

their grand plans are the most suprising. I think most MLB fans assumed that team was gone--whisked away to Portland or Indianapolis. I hope they get that new stadium off the ground though--its awesome.

A new stadium would help to draw more spectators. But I think that they should build a contending team first or at least a team with a winning record. That will draw more fans. I think that the stadium that they are planning is too big for the area. Florida is a football state. If I was the Rays' owner, I would aim for a 30,000 - 35,000 seat stadium with a possibility to expand.

Wow, that is crazy. Makes me kinda jealous. The Mets are getting a nice stadium, but the design is pretty generic. You could find more than 2 similar stadiums across the league (thanks in part to the fact that HOK has designed so many of the new stadiums:mad:)

A new stadium would help to draw more spectators. But I think that they should build a contending team first or at least a team with a winning record. That will draw more fans. I think that the stadium that they are planning is too big for the area. Florida is a football state. If I was the Rays' owner, I would aim for a 30,000 - 35,000 seat stadium with a possibility to expand.

Miami is full of latinos that love baseball that live in this neighborhood where the stadium is going.. talking to people here they are excited the stadium is taking the Orange bowl site. This city love this team regardless of their past. Yes this is a football town but believe me the city knew that this location would be best. the team was paying way too much to have a home here and most those earnings went to heuizinga's dolphin stadium.. let's face it the team always had to get rid of star players because they can no longer afford them. with this stadium belonging to the Marlins will be a plus..which means more earnings more stars more in attendance..

That's amazing, completely different than most new ballparks. Exterior is very european.

The stadium looks nice. But I really don't get it how the city of Miami could fall for the blackmail of Loria. They'll be wise if they will keep the team in Miami for the next 50 years. Otherwise Loria will move the team somewhere else if they don't draw over 2000 fans per game.

I know baseball is business. But Loria is only interested in making money. He doesn't give a damn about the fans. Why else would he trade away Cabrera and Willis to the Tigers? He already killed a franchise. The man is no good for baseball.

In the agreement which by the way has just been passed by both the city and county, so construction is a sure thing now, the Marlins will change their name to the Miami Marlins and cannot leave the city for the next 40 or so years, so none of that will happen.

Miami is full of latinos that love baseball that live in this neighborhood where the stadium is going.. talking to people here they are excited the stadium is taking the Orange bowl site. This city love this team regardless of their past. Yes this is a football town but believe me the city knew that this location would be best. the team was paying way too much to have a home here and most those earnings went to heuizinga's dolphin stadium.. let's face it the team always had to get rid of star players because they can no longer afford them. with this stadium belonging to the Marlins will be a plus..which means more earnings more stars more in attendance..

I hope you are right. But I think the only reason that the Marlins are trading their emerging stars is because Loria is too greedy. Besides the new stadium that they will get, it is exactly the same scenario as with the Expos. Loria dealt away all good players so the team sucked. And then blaming the fans for not showing up... :ohno:

I hope you are right. But I think the only reason that the Marlins are trading their emerging stars is because Loria is too greedy. Besides the new stadium that they will get, it is exactly the same scenario as with the Expos. Loria dealt away all good players so the team sucked. And then blaming the fans for not showing up... :ohno:

Yeah Loria is terrible. I wonder why he still owns a major league team...

Yeah Loria is terrible. I wonder why he still owns a major league team...

I still think that he is responsible for the demise of the Expos.

I hope you are right. But I think the only reason that the Marlins are trading their emerging stars is because Loria is too greedy. Besides the new stadium that they will get, it is exactly the same scenario as with the Expos. Loria dealt away all good players so the team sucked. And then blaming the fans for not showing up... :ohno:
geezus! I remember that..I really do hope your wrong. otherwise Miami will be doomed!
we're putting a lot of money into this for this man to blow it away..

Mmm... I'm not too sure I like the design. I'm not sure why. I'm glad it's not a 'retro' stadium like the rest, but I don't know. I guess I wish they went more the way of the Devil Rays and their stadium....

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^^That whole scenario will be very different from what the picture shows. Instead now the football stadium will be demolished and the whole property will be for the new Marlins stadium. future plans also call for a possible MLS stadium next to it.

Puts the Yankees and Mets new stadiums to shame, it's modern and moves on the past, something, that whilst looking at the Mets and Yankees new stadiums, baseball is failing to do.

It never gets over about 95 degrees in South Florida but during the summer it rains alot though not really during the times when most games are played 7:00 to 10:00, most rain is during the mid-afternoon hours.

Puts the Yankees and Mets new stadiums to shame, it's modern and moves on the past, something, that whilst looking at the Mets and Yankees new stadiums, baseball is failing to do.This is a matter of taste and opinion. I find this design intriguing but not particular cup of tea. Besides, we're talking about completely different markets and completely different franchises. If the Yankees went completely modern the fan base would scream "blasphemy!"

My biggest concern with this, even though the design is preliminary, is the one exterior side that appears to be mostly solid cladding (behind 3rd base side in picture above). Doesn't appear to be engaging for a largely residential community.

^^That whole scenario will be very different from what the picture shows. Instead now the football stadium will be demolished and the whole property will be for the new Marlins stadium. future plans also call for a possible MLS stadium next to it.

What's the deal with a MLS stadium ?

Beautiful Stadium

If the Rogers Center/Skydome (Toronto Blue Jays) and Safeco Field (Seattle Mariners) got it on, this would be their love child haha.

I'm happy Miami Marlins got this done, would have sucked if they relocated considering they are 2 time champions.

A new stadium would help to draw more spectators. But I think that they should build a contending team first or at least a team with a winning record. That will draw more fans. I think that the stadium that they are planning is too big for the area. Florida is a football state. If I was the Rays' owner, I would aim for a 30,000 - 35,000 seat stadium with a possibility to expand.

The Marlins have had quite a bit of success, considering how new of a team they are. It doesnt help when you have an owner that will rid the team of talent, stars, and fire your Manager of the Year.

I'd rather have a team with a front office that's willing to gut the team and start over and then WIN again, like the Marlins have done a couple of times. The Rangers haven't even come close to any of this.

I'd rather have a team with a front office that's willing to gut the team and start over and then WIN again, like the Marlins have done a couple of times. The Rangers haven't even come close to any of this.
yeah thats one of the things we always discuss down here.. gut the team. Load it up with young future superstars. give them 5 years to mature then you add a couple of veteran hitters and pitchers just to tweak it a bit. spend the extra money and boom you got the Florida Marlins a title. gut them out again after their value goes up and startover.

Thats a horrible way to keep fans. As a fan of a team who has been rebuilding since I could understand baseball, I couldnt even describe to you how pissed off I would be if the Brewers got rid of Prince Fielder, Ryan Braun, Ben Sheets, Corey Hart, etc. to rebuild with (yea!) more prospects.

Did Florida even give a second thought to signing Cabrera? The guy is a beast and it would be nice for your team to have at least one guy to show up for. Dan Uggla and Hanley Ramirez will be gone in a matter of years and then its back to having nothing.

Thats a horrible way to keep fans. As a fan of a team who has been rebuilding since I could understand baseball, I couldnt even describe to you how pissed off I would be if the Brewers got rid of Prince Fielder, Ryan Braun, Ben Sheets, Corey Hart, etc. to rebuild with (yea!) more prospects.

Did Florida even give a second thought to signing Cabrera? The guy is a beast and it would be nice for your team to have at least one guy to show up for. Dan Uggla and Hanley Ramirez will be gone in a matter of years and then its back to having nothing.

I think us rangers fans feel worse.

Thats a horrible way to keep fans. As a fan of a team who has been rebuilding since I could understand baseball, I couldnt even describe to you how pissed off I would be if the Brewers got rid of Prince Fielder, Ryan Braun, Ben Sheets, Corey Hart, etc. to rebuild with (yea!) more prospects.

Did Florida even give a second thought to signing Cabrera? The guy is a beast and it would be nice for your team to have at least one guy to show up for. Dan Uggla and Hanley Ramirez will be gone in a matter of years and then its back to having nothing.

So you'd rather wallow in mediocrity, then bottom out and build into a World Series contending team over time?

The Marlins cuurent lease at Dolphin stadiums leaves them pretty money strained, they get little to no revenue from anything at the stadium. Once the players become stars or the marlins win a championship they cant afford them and have to sell. Dontrelland Cabrera lasted remarkebly long. But in some ways we Marlin fans are quite lucky the team was able to rebuild into a championship team, hope fully history will repeat itself to some extent.

I think us rangers fans feel worse.

boo hoo hoo. You at least were good in the 90's.

So you'd rather wallow in mediocrity, then bottom out and build into a World Series contending team over time?

I dont know about wallow in mediocrity, but I would like to have a team that retains some players that excite me. The Marlins have been a rarity in that they have actually had some success by running a team that way in such a short span of time. Few other teams can claim such postseason success.

The Marlins cuurent lease at Dolphin stadiums leaves them pretty money strained, they get little to no revenue from anything at the stadium. Once the players become stars or the marlins win a championship they cant afford them and have to sell. Dontrelland Cabrera lasted remarkebly long. But in some ways we Marlin fans are quite lucky the team was able to rebuild into a championship team, hope fully history will repeat itself to some extent.

Dondrell Willis can be parted with. The Marlins need to build that team around Hanley Ramirez and Dan Uggla. Its a shame you couldnt afford Cabrera because with Willingham playing 1B, the Marlins could have gone into the season with amongst the best young infield in the league.

Oh, my bad. Willingham doesnt play 1B on a regular basis. Must be thinking of him on my fantasy baseball team last year, where he could play basically any position on Yahoo Baseball. A wonderful (and overlooked) pick for your fantasy team if anyone is playing.

The South Florida MLB team has realeased new renderings of their proposed stadium, which would be built on the remains of the old Orange Bowl stadium.

Florida Marlins offical release (http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090127&content_id=3776574&vkey=news_fla&fext=.jsp&c_id=fla)

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While the futuristic look is perfect for South Florida, the location is problematic.

love the design. Whats the problem?

Looks like SkyDome the next generation

Damn! Beat me to posting this... :P

love the design. Whats the problem?
It's on the former Orange Bowl site, which is a kinda seedy neighborhood.

Oh, and full-sized renderings here. (http://www.marlinsnewballpark.com/renderings.php)

i dont like it...im just not a fan of the huge oversized roofs that hang off the end. I reallt liked what they were going to do for the Rays new stadium. That would have been groundbreaking.

Why 37,000? It looks like it has the potential of seating 45,000 at the most.

It's on the former Orange Bowl site, which is a kinda seedy neighborhood.

This looks like it comes with Urban re-development. Stadiums and Arenas are usually built in "seedy" areas to help turn it into a Good area. Big new baseball stadium means more police patrols in the area.

Lucas Oil Stadium in Indy did the same for its area, so is the New Cowboys Stadium, Staples Center and American Airlines Center just to name a few.

Why 37,000? It looks like it has the potential of seating 45,000 at the most.
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I'm with en1044 on this one. I really don't care for it when they have the roof open off to one side, like SafeCo Park in Seattle. It looks like they didn't put any thought into it.

Will any fans there care when it's open? Still seems to me like the best idea would have been to pack it up down there.

Will any fans there care when it's open? Still seems to me like the best idea would have been to pack it up down there.

It'll get by for a couple of years on the novelty effect alone--if the Marlins fail to stay competitive and/or continue to sell off their star players instead of paying them, then attendance will almost certainly decline.

It looks like they didn't put any thought into it.

Ya, they put no thought into a multi million dollar stadium.

It'll get by for a couple of years on the novelty effect alone--if the Marlins fail to stay competitive and/or continue to sell off their star players instead of paying them, then attendance will almost certainly decline.


They have won multiple world series in their short existance yet they still have home games with only 10k-15k fans in the stands because they trade all thier players to save money. I think I've read they have a large TV fanbase so maby a new stadium with a roof will bring them out to see the games in person.

They have won multiple world series in their short existance yet they still have home games with only 10k-15k fans in the stands because they trade all thier players to save money. I think I've read they have a large TV fanbase so maby a new stadium with a roof will bring them out to see the games in person.

That, and looking into a sea of tarp-covered football seats beyond the outfield wall really kills the baseball atmosphere.

They also play in Miami Gardens, which is a good clip north of Miami proper.

Looks like SkyDome the next generation

LOL it really does, doesn't it?

That, and looking into a sea of tarp-covered football seats beyond the outfield wall really kills the baseball atmosphere.


Seems to work fine for Safeco. Many think that's the best retractable roof stadium ever built, because when open it totally feels open air.

I think you Quoted the wrong part Rantanamo. he was talking about Dolphin Stadium.

You can build a new stadium with all the new bells n' whistles---but will that really make a difference with a city that has no passion for the game?

Only problem is that none of the cities that were discussed as moving places seemed that crazy about baseball in the first place. Portland, San Antonio, Charlotte, and Vegas were the other frontrunners for the Nats, I think. I don't know where else they could go. Buffalo?

Only problem is that none of the cities that were discussed as moving places seemed that crazy about baseball in the first place. Portland, San Antonio, Charlotte, and Vegas were the other frontrunners for the Nats, I think. I don't know where else they could go. Buffalo?

I think Indianapolis would be a great fit for the MLB. Any of those cities listed though could surely do better then Miami has in terms of fan support.

I'm not sure that Indy would be able to support three professional teams. If any, I'd pick Portland, but it seems like they've decided to push for an MLS bid and move the AAA team to the side, so that's not going to happen.

I think Indianapolis would be a great fit for the MLB. Any of those cities listed though could surely do better then Miami has in terms of fan support.

Not us.

Most people who live in Charlotte aren't from Charlotte, so the numbers are skewed. Those people already follow teams.

On the weekend people from Raleigh, Columbia and Greensboro/W-S/H-P would come to the games and help sell out the stadium, but on weekdays it would be awful. Plus most natives are dyed-in-the-wool Atlanta Braves fans.

We need to focus on the Knights, our International League team. They only average 900 fans per game!

Do you need a roof in Miami?

Do you need a roof in Miami? the heat. this will hopefule turn this club around. nice

I think Indianapolis would be a very poor choice. #1, the metro area is not that large. #2, the Colts, outside of the last couple of years, were not even selling out the RCA dome. I don't think the fan base would be there. Indiana is a basketball state.

Do you need a roof in Miami?

Have you ever been to South Florida during the Summer? It rains almost every day there, or at least 5 or 6 days a week. They need a roof.

not a fan of the design, I was personally hoping for something more like Citi Field, Camden Yards, etc

Do you need a roof in Miami?
the rain

Only problem is that none of the cities that were discussed as moving places seemed that crazy about baseball in the first place. Portland, San Antonio, Charlotte, and Vegas were the other frontrunners for the Nats, I think. I don't know where else they could go. Buffalo?
Mexico City, San Jaun

You can build a new stadium with all the new bells n' whistles---but will that really make a difference with a city that has no passion for the game?
It's hard to blame a city for lacking passion for the game when the ownership itself lacks passion for the team. Maybe if Huizenga, Henry, Loria, etc., didn't conduct a firesale every time they won a ring (or when arbitration/contract year for multiple star players rolls around), people around town would start developing a vested interest in the club.

Only problem is that none of the cities that were discussed as moving places seemed that crazy about baseball in the first place. Portland, San Antonio, Charlotte, and Vegas were the other frontrunners for the Nats, I think. I don't know where else they could go. Buffalo?

Buffalo's baseball stadium was built with expansion to MLB standards in mind, but I don't know if the city can support another franchise, what with the Sabres having attendance issues of their own.

I'm not sure that Indy would be able to support three professional teams. If any, I'd pick Portland, but it seems like they've decided to push for an MLS bid and move the AAA team to the side, so that's not going to happen.
Portland makes the most sense, by far. They are one of the fastest-growing metropolitan areas in the country and have had a stadium and financing plan on the table for years now.
http://www.oregonstadiumcampaign.com/ballpark.htm

I think Indianapolis would be a great fit for the MLB. Any of those cities listed though could surely do better then Miami has in terms of fan support.

Indy is, first and foremost, a basketball (and Colts) town and would be the 2nd-smallest metropolitan area in the MLB, ahead of only Milwaukee. If they were pursuing an MLB franchise they wouldn't have built Victory Field a decade ago.

not a fan of the design, I was personally hoping for something more like Citi Field, Camden Yards, etc

Because yet another cookie-cutter Camden Yards clone is just what the doctor ordered, in freaking MIAMI, of all places. :ohno:

I'm not sure that Indy would be able to support three professional teams. If any, I'd pick Portland, but it seems like they've decided to push for an MLS bid and move the AAA team to the side, so that's not going to happen.

Its true that Indianapolis doesn't have that large of a metro population--but it is in a highly populated state (over 6 million) with sizeable metro areas in the neigborhood. It would be very similar to Milwaukee/Wisconsin, which is oversaturated with sports--but does a great job supporting the Brewers. I have no doubt they could support a baseball team in summer, with virtually no competitors.

I would like to see the Astros moved out of the NL Central and have an Indianapolis team there.

Not us.

Most people who live in Charlotte aren't from Charlotte, so the numbers are skewed. Those people already follow teams.

On the weekend people from Raleigh, Columbia and Greensboro/W-S/H-P would come to the games and help sell out the stadium, but on weekdays it would be awful. Plus most natives are dyed-in-the-wool Atlanta Braves fans.

We need to focus on the Knights, our International League team. They only average 900 fans per game!

The Panthers seem to do a good job with the fans. You don't think a baseball team could average 25,000 a game?

It's hard to blame a city for lacking passion for the game when the ownership itself lacks passion for the team. Maybe if Huizenga, Henry, Loria, etc., didn't conduct a firesale every time they won a ring (or when arbitration/contract year for multiple star players rolls around), people around town would start developing a vested interest in the club.

I understand that the ownership is terrible down there--but they consistenly have put quality talent on the field. The fans need to go to the games for the owners to consider talking to the Scott Borases of the world.

The Panthers seem to do a good job with the fans. You don't think a baseball team could average 25,000 a game?

There's a pretty big difference between selling out 8 home dates/year versus 80 home dates. Not only that, the Bobcats, in a brand-spanking new arena in the largest city in a basketball-mad state, have among the worst attendance in the league. If they can't fill an 20,000-seat arena for 40 dates, what makes you think they can fill a 40,000-seat ballpark for 80?

Its true that Indianapolis doesn't have that large of a metro population--but it is in a highly populated state (over 6 million) with sizeable metro areas in the neigborhood.

Uhh....what sizeable metro areas? Fort Wayne is at least two hours away, and most baseball fans there are already Cubs fans. All of the other major metro areas anywhere in the vicinity of Indy already have MLB franchises, except Louisville, and even then you're talking about 1.2 million people, tops, and they're as far away as Fort Wayne.

The Panthers are a special case. Like Kingman said, they only play 8 home games a year, and those are on the weekend.

They're also Carolina's team, and not Charlotte's team. There's a rivalry between Charlotte, Greensboro and Raleigh.

The Panthers are a special case. Like Kingman said, they only play 8 home games a year, and those are on the weekend.

They're also Carolina's team, and not Charlotte's team. There's a rivalry between Charlotte, Greensboro and Raleigh.

And Winston-Salem...and Durham...and Chapel Hill...and Fayetteville...

There's a pretty big difference between selling out 8 home dates/year versus 80 home dates. Not only that, the Bobcats, in a brand-spanking new arena in the largest city in a basketball-mad state, have among the worst attendance in the league. If they can't fill an 20,000-seat arena for 40 dates, what makes you think they can fill a 40,000-seat ballpark for 80?

I am not saying that they would fill up a 40,000 seat stadium every game or that Charlotte would even be a good MLB city. But I am saying that it could draw better then 15,000 a game.

Uhh....what sizeable metro areas? Fort Wayne is at least two hours away, and most baseball fans there are already Cubs fans. All of the other major metro areas anywhere in the vicinity of Indy already have MLB franchises, except Louisville, and even then you're talking about 1.2 million people, tops, and they're as far away as Fort Wayne.

They are only Cubs fans because there is no alternative.

These distances you speak of are nothing in the big scheme of things. Indianapolis is centrally located in a state with one of the highest population densities. The potential fanbase exceeds other candidates like Portland because of this, in my opinion.

I am not saying that they would fill up a 40,000 seat stadium every game or that Charlotte would even be a good MLB city. But I am saying that it could draw better then 15,000 a game.



They are only Cubs fans because there is no alternative.

These distances you speak of are nothing in the big scheme of things. Indianapolis is centrally located in a state with one of the highest population densities. The potential fanbase exceeds other candidates like Portland because of this, in my opinion.
That sounds plausible in theory, but in practice, it often doesn't work out that way. Theoretically, the Royals also have Omaha, Lincoln, St. Joseph, Columbia, Jeff City, Topeka/Lawrence, Wichita, Joplin/Springfield, and Tulsa to draw from, yet struggle to draw 20k/game.

That sounds plausible in theory, but in practice, it often doesn't work out that way. Theoretically, the Royals also have Omaha, Lincoln, St. Joseph, Columbia, Jeff City, Topeka/Lawrence, Wichita, Joplin/Springfield, and Tulsa to draw from, yet struggle to draw 20k/game.

Thats because the Royals are just so miserable. Few cities/metros can overcome such failure over long periods of time. The Royals haven't been relevant since when--Bo Jackson? Plus, the Royals play in a state that is dominated by the Cardinals. Indiana has more people then Missouri and really has no competition---aside from Cubs fans. You might not see it, but I think Indiana would quickly catch baseball fever. Especially being surrounded by (in my opinion) a very dense concentration of passionate baseball fanbases (Cubs, W. Sox, Reds, Indians, Tigers, Brewers, Cardinals). If they retain the excellent front office work/finding prospects (with a better owner, of course)---then there is no doubt that a team can succeed there.

Thats because the Royals are just so miserable. Few cities/metros can overcome such failure over long periods of time. The Royals haven't been relevant since when--Bo Jackson? Plus, the Royals play in a state that is dominated by the Cardinals. Indiana has more people then Missouri and really has no competition---aside from Cubs fans. You might not see it, but I think Indiana would quickly catch baseball fever. Especially being surrounded by (in my opinion) a very dense concentration of passionate baseball fanbases (Cubs, W. Sox, Reds, Indians, Tigers, Brewers, Cardinals). If they retain the excellent front office work/finding prospects (with a better owner, of course)---then there is no doubt that a team can succeed there.

The Royals treaded water until the strike, after which they fired Hal McRae, which sent the franchise spiraling into the Dark Ages.

The problem is, do the people of Indiana see your vision? They built Victory Field not too long ago, which doesn't appear to be expandable to major-league standards and the city has expressed little (if any) interest in seeking an MLB franchise. Portland, on the other hand, is one of the fastest-growing metro areas in the country, with a public transit systems matched by few cities of its size and a ballpark design and financing plan already on the table.

The Royals treaded water until the strike, after which they fired Hal McRae, which sent the franchise spiraling into the Dark Ages.

The problem is, do the people of Indiana see your vision? They built Victory Field not too long ago, which doesn't appear to be expandable to major-league standards and the city has expressed little (if any) interest in seeking an MLB franchise. Portland, on the other hand, is one of the fastest-growing metro areas in the country, with a public transit systems matched by few cities of its size and a ballpark design and financing plan already on the table.

Indiana will never have an MLB team. End of story. The area is not populated enough, as is Indianapolis if a decent professional sports city.

Don't pick on the Royals. They average just under 20,000 fans a game in 2008. Considering how bad the team is, that's pretty darn good.

Compare that the the Devil Rays, who even in 2008 when they were atop the AL east still were not drawing above 21-22,000 fans a night.


In general, Florida is not a good professional sports state. That is a fact. Aside from when teams are winning championships, teams generally don't draw large crowds to their games.

Why there aren't any interior pics?

Why there aren't any interior pics?

I think there are a couple that show portions of the interior.


I think it's a great looking ballpark. One thing they should change is the side the roof opens.

Indiana will never have an MLB team. End of story. The area is not populated enough, as is Indianapolis if a decent professional sports city.

Don't pick on the Royals. They average just under 20,000 fans a game in 2008. Considering how bad the team is, that's pretty darn good.

Compare that the the Devil Rays, who even in 2008 when they were atop the AL east still were not drawing above 21-22,000 fans a night.


In general, Florida is not a good professional sports state. That is a fact. Aside from when teams are winning championships, teams generally don't draw large crowds to their games.
For most of the season, many sections of Kauffman Stadium were closed off to continue working on the renovations, which are almost complete. This reduced capacity to as low as 28,000 for parts of the season.

To be fair, the Devil Rays had a season ticket base of only about 7,000, which is expected to nearly double for 2009. People will not all of a sudden just magically show up to the ballpark to watch a team who never lost fewer than 90 games a season before last year.

Look at the Royals, for instance--in 2003, they sat atop the AL Central for most of the season and only managed about 22,000 fans/game.

The Royals treaded water until the strike, after which they fired Hal McRae, which sent the franchise spiraling into the Dark Ages.

The problem is, do the people of Indiana see your vision? They built Victory Field not too long ago, which doesn't appear to be expandable to major-league standards and the city has expressed little (if any) interest in seeking an MLB franchise. Portland, on the other hand, is one of the fastest-growing metro areas in the country, with a public transit systems matched by few cities of its size and a ballpark design and financing plan already on the table.

No, Indiana doesn't share my vision. But I do think it would emerge as an excellent baseball market over time.

Portland wouldn't be bad either, but I don't see its advantages over a city like Indy, aside from having less competition from other teams. The city is growing, but Oregon has a relatively modest population. It would be the least populated state after Oklahoma with a professional sports team in the 4 major leagues I do believe.

That all being said, I doubt the Marlins are going anywhere. The MLB would rather have that franchise rot in South Florida then move it to a smaller market.

the problem is not the fans...its the team being fielded and the owners..

the heat, panthers, and dolphins dont have attendance problems why because they are consistent teams which have recognizable players and have not constantly threatened to leave if they dont get things there way...something the marlins do everyday...if the marlins fielded a good team in a stadium where you wouldn't get rain delayed every other night they would be in the top15 in attendance no doubt....

Time to break out the shovels. The final bill has been passed.

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090323&content_id=4055912&vkey=news_fla&fext=.jsp&c_id=fla

That sounds plausible in theory, but in practice, it often doesn't work out that way. Theoretically, the Royals also have Omaha, Lincoln, St. Joseph, Columbia, Jeff City, Topeka/Lawrence, Wichita, Joplin/Springfield, and Tulsa to draw from, yet struggle to draw 20k/game.

1. The Cardinals have been around since the 1880s. The Royals since the 1969.
2. For a long time the Cardinals were on KMOX, which has a strong, far-reaching signal.
3. The Cardinals have been very successful the last decade. The Royals have not.

There might be more reasons the Cardinals are the better-liked team in Missouri, but those 3 come to mind.

1. The Cardinals have been around since the 1880s. The Royals since the 1969.
2. For a long time the Cardinals were on KMOX, which has a strong, far-reaching signal.
3. The Cardinals have been very successful the last decade. The Royals have not.

There might be more reasons the Cardinals are the better-liked team in Missouri, but those 3 come to mind.

Not only those three, but the Cards have also been much better managed than the Royals--their ownership does a really good job of putting the fan first and trying to field the best product possible.

I think things are looking up for KC, though; the renovations are almost complete and Dayton Moore has made us more and more competitive every year.

Good for the Marlins. No lets hope the fans show up. It's good that they have right sized this park for the market 37,000 seats is a good size.

1. The Cardinals have been around since the 1880s. The Royals since the 1969.
2. For a long time the Cardinals were on KMOX, which has a strong, far-reaching signal.
3. The Cardinals have been very successful the last decade. The Royals have not.

There might be more reasons the Cardinals are the better-liked team in Missouri, but those 3 come to mind.

But Kansas city had what is now known as the Oakland A's from like 1954 or so to 1968 also an American League team. So there has been Major league baseball played in KC for a while now.

from this
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c50/DJJunior305/DrLrrLNx.jpg
to this
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m220/gofish319/MarlinsStadium.jpg

the entrace to the new ballpark looks fantastic. I hope they don't change the design too much.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5160/wf5ktjnc.jpg (http://img12.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wf5ktjnc.jpg)

mhmm, very nice.

Anyone been able to find out how many cars those four parking garages hold? Hopefully somewhere in the neighborhood of 5,000-6,000 spaces combined, as I've heard that parking around the OB was always sparse.

Yay it has a roof :P

Yay it has a roof :P

It has to--it can rain like hell in Miami.

Congrats on the stadium Marlins (and Marlins fans). Its about time they get their own stadium.

is the old stadium completly demolished yet?

is the old stadium completly demolished yet?

The OB?

Yup, almost a year ago.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h162/mabg2000/marlins/MarlinsLogo.jpg

Finally Miami Welcomes Marlins Stadium, already 80% Approved.
Here i post the renders and has we know upton request by Miami Dade Court the team name will be change it for Miami Marlins

The Stadium Will Remplace the already Demolished Orange Bowl

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h162/mabg2000/marlins/miami-ballpark-district-site-plan-l.jpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h162/mabg2000/marlins/miami-ballpark-southeast-aerial-lg.jpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h162/mabg2000/marlins/miami-ballpark-southwest-aerial-lg.jpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h162/mabg2000/marlins/miami-ballpark-aerial-lg-600x347.jpg

i found this renders about the Miami Marlins new Uniforms personally i like them! i approve it :)

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h162/mabg2000/marlins/miamimarlins2tu4.gif

Already been posted.

Check the "Proposed" section.

BOOOOOOOOORING!!!!!! Miami deserves better.

^^ How is it boring? ^^
we cant even see an up close rendering.

this is interesting
http://www.proppt.com/portfolio12.htm

i found this renders about the Miami Marlins new Uniforms personally i like them! i approve it :)

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h162/mabg2000/marlins/miamimarlins2tu4.gif
Interesting...
I didn't know the San Jose Sharks are playing baseball in Miami now.

The Florida soon to be Miami Marlins have been around as long as the San Jose Sharks. Who copied who? Not sure.

Doesn't really look like the SJ Sharks logo to me.

I think he is talking about the colors.

I don't have a definite article, but from what I've heard, the new ballpark will have similar outfield dimensions to Dolphin Stadium.

Why are they changing the name to Miami?

Why are they changing the name to Miami?

It's part of their new stadium deal. Miami kicked in some money and tax breaks I believe to get the deal for their new stadium done and as part of the deal, the Marlins need to change their name to the Miami Marlins.

They will move to the city of Miami from the city of Miami Gardens.

There's a PDF from the City of Miami government website that someone discovered:

http://egov.ci.miami.fl.us/Legistarweb/Attachments/50245.pdf

From Pg. 41, there will be a pool in right-center field (groans) and the Marlins home dugout will be on the 3rd base side. (Currently, the Marlins home dugout at Landshark Stadium is on the 1st base side.)

Groundbreaking will be held on July 18th.

Marlins Article (http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090608&content_id=5206556&vkey=news_fla&fext=.jsp&c_id=fla)

sweet. I love the design

What a great day for the Marlins. They have been in big need of their own stadiums since they began playing. The size is perfect for the market and the atmosphere will be greatly improved.

The pool is a bit tacky a la Bank One Ballpark.

What a great day for the Marlins. They have been in big need of their own stadiums since they began playing. The size is perfect for the market and the atmosphere will be greatly improved.

The pool is a bit tacky a la Bank One Ballpark.
I mean, seriously, like there aren't already a whole bunch of places to go swimming in Miami-Dade. Couldn't you just go swimming before or after the game?

What a great day for the Marlins. They have been in big need of their own stadiums since they began playing. The size is perfect for the market and the atmosphere will be greatly improved.

The pool is a bit tacky a la Bank One Ballpark.

Well, there's a lot of pools in the Phoenix metropolian area.

It looks really nice. Hopefully it will bring more people to the games. The average attendance is a shame for such a big metropolitian area like Miami.

It looks really nice. Hopefully it will bring more people to the games. The average attendance is a shame for such a big metropolitian area like Miami.

Miami is not a good sports supporting city. The size of the stadium is right at 37,000. A 35-37,000 seat stadium is all that is needed. This is going to be great for the Marlins and hopefully it will bring more people to the ballpark. They have had some good teams over their lifetime.

If Groundbreaking will be held on July 18th it should move to Under Construction Thread

wow, I didn't see those new logo and uni changes. They look great. Only complaint is the hat logo is a bit too similar to the Twins logo.

Webcam is up. So you can now see what's there at the former home of the Orange Bowl:

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/fla/ballpark/webcam.jsp

'It's time': A machine gets fired up, and at last, construction of Marlins' ballpark begins
1 July 2009

MIAMI (AP) - Florida Marlins president David Samson pulled out his cell phone, eager to show the proof that the team's long-awaited ballpark was closer than ever to becoming reality.

Snapped early Wednesday morning, Samson proudly displayed a 4-inch high, 2-inch wide photo of someone operating a heavy grading machine at the downtown Miami site where the Orange Bowl sat for more than seven decades and is now about to be transformed into the Marlins' new home.

"It already looks different," Samson said.

It's going to look a lot different over the next 33 months.

Only hours after the final arrangements were completed regarding the bonds that will help pay for the $515 million, 37,000-seat retractable-roof stadium, crews arrived Wednesday morning to begin actual work on the project.

Samson said Miami-Dade County commissioners gave final approval to the financing terms around 1:10 a.m., and less than six hours later equipment, pickups, even the lunch wagon was en route to the site.

"It's time to get this building built," Samson said. "There were workers asleep last night, ready to wake up and be on site. It's time to get this building built. It's time to get this debate over. And now it's all construction jobs and baseball."

A formal groundbreaking is scheduled for July 18. The Marlins plan to move into the new stadium in time for the 2012 season.

The Marlins have tried for years to get their own stadium, one with a retractable roof. Since their inception in 1993, they've shared a building with the Miami Dolphins, and ownership groups have long blamed the frequent threat of rain for poor ticket sales. Florida is again last in per-game attendance this season, just as it has been in each of the preceding three years.

Five attempts for state funding were thwarted over the years, and a lawsuit delayed the current project by about a year.

"There are no hurdles," Samson said. "There's nothing left."

The bonds for the project were a thorny issue, though.

The project was planned with hopes that it would be financed in part through more than $300 million in bond sales backed by tourism taxes. The team and county learned Tuesday that there was a $6 million shortfall from the proceeds of the bond sales, which the Marlins ultimately agreed to cover and which Samson said could have been much worse given the volatility in the current bond market.

"It was a huge sigh of relief," Samson said.

Without the financing being completed, no work would have started, Samson said.

The team expects that the new ballpark will lead to a pronounced increase in attendance and revenue, and Florida's payroll typically ranks near the very bottom of the 30 major league clubs -- something Samson has said will change once the new stadium is finished. Under the terms of their current lease, the Marlins get little or nothing from sales on concessions, signage and suites at Land Shark Stadium.

Once the stadium is completed, the team will be renamed the Miami Marlins.

move to under construction

From the PDF that I've found, the outfield measurements are as followed:

Left Fied: 340 feet
Left-Center Field: 384 feet
Center: 416 feet
Right Center Field: 392 feet
Right Field: 335

Seems like this facility might become a pitcher's paradise.

From the PDF that I've found, the outfield measurements are as followed:

Left Fied: 340 feet
Left-Center Field: 384 feet
Center: 416 feet
Right Center Field: 392 feet
Right Field: 335

Seems like this facility might become a pitcher's paradise.

wow!

thats rediculous

From the PDF that I've found, the outfield measurements are as followed:

Left Fied: 340 feet
Left-Center Field: 384 feet
Center: 416 feet
Right Center Field: 392 feet
Right Field: 335

Seems like this facility might become a pitcher's paradise.
Or a speed demon/gap hitter's paradise.

This will be an awesome Baseball arena. Can't wait till it will be completed ;)

Thank god this stadium is not going to be like those copy cat Camden Yard ballparks ... its about time that baseball starts to embrace the cutting edge rather than fake tradition.

Or a speed demon/gap hitter's paradise.

If you are a mid to small market team (hard to call Miami that but they have often spent and had attendence of a small market) that is probably the best way to build a stadium to your advantage. You aren't going to try to outbid the big hat teams on the sluggers every winter.

fake tradition?

Groundbreaking is scheduled for the 18th of July.

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/fla/ballpark/groundbreaking.jsp

fake tradition?

I think he's referring to the copy Ebbet's Field mantra of the 90s. I think that era ended a few years ago though minus Citi Field. I give Yankee Stadium a pass because its actually copying itself.

Video of the stadium:

http://cbs4.com/video/?id=79851@wfor.dayport.com
http://www.miamiherald.com/video/index.html?media_id=5140910
http://www.miamiherald.com/video/index.html?media_id=5143508
http://www.justnews.com/video/20102627/index.html
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=563517ec-525c-42e2-afdb-760f4ddb4a46&cat=empty&src=front

I'd like to have seen a pastel-ish, old Floridian look to the exterior, like the unused stadium in Homestead they built right before Andrew.

http://blogs.trb.com/sports/custom/business/blog/foundation1a.jpg

http://blogs.trb.com/sports/custom/business/blog/foundation2a.jpg

Courtesy of the Sun-Sentinel (http://blogs.trb.com/sports/custom/business/blog/2009/08/marlins_stadium_update_no_1_of.html)

Oh, and don't forget to view the webcam: http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/fla/ballpark/webcam.jsp

ETA: http://www.justnews.com/2009/0814/20398853_640X360.jpg

Watch this video: http://www.justnews.com/video/20399584/index.html

http://blogs.trb.com/sports/custom/business/blog/foundation1a.jpg

http://blogs.trb.com/sports/custom/business/blog/foundation2a.jpg

Courtesy of the Sun-Sentinel (http://blogs.trb.com/sports/custom/business/blog/2009/08/marlins_stadium_update_no_1_of.html)

Oh, and don't forget to view the webcam: http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/fla/ballpark/webcam.jsp

ETA: http://www.justnews.com/2009/0814/20398853_640X360.jpg

Watch this video: http://www.justnews.com/video/20399584/index.html

very nice!
from web cam: pouring concrete in the rain.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd29/yrades/081509.jpg

So the Orange Bowl is no more........

I think Indianapolis would be a very poor choice. #1, the metro area is not that large. #2, the Colts, outside of the last couple of years, were not even selling out the RCA dome. I don't think the fan base would be there. Indiana is a basketball state.

Basketball State? Not anymore. There's been a shift in popularity from basketball to football over the past few years, especially in the H.S. and Pro level. The Pacers nowadays can't even give tickets away.

Last I heard IU, Purdue and the big high school programs can still fill the house.

Basketball State? Not anymore. There's been a shift in popularity from basketball to football over the past few years, especially in the H.S. and Pro level. The Pacers nowadays can't even give tickets away.
Indiana is renovating Memorial Stadium so that could help them in football, although i doubt football would ever overtake Hoosier basketball.

From Webcam:
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd29/yrades/081809.jpg

It's about time the Marlins got a new stadium because it sucks playing baseball in an NFL stadium. They're too big and generating an atmosphere is virtually impossible. There are reasons both Minnesota and Oakland are also trying to move and that's one of them. The retractable roof is also a good idea given the amount of rain delays there are in Miami. More than anything else though, lets hope it attracts a few more fans to Marlins games. They habitually get the lowest average attendance in the Majors despite having won the World Series twice in the last fifteen years.

Minnesota's stadium is almost finished.

http://blogs.trb.com/sports/custom/business/blog/timecap1.jpg http://blogs.trb.com/sports/custom/business/blog/timecap2.jpg

Marlins Stadium Update No. 1993-2009 (Time capsule edition)
> Posted by Sarah Talalay on August 27, 2009 09:16 AM

http://blogs.trb.com/sports/custom/business/blog/2009/08/marlins_stadium_update_no_1993.html

Marlins announce first vertical concrete pour

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20090910&content_id=6891626&vkey=pr_fla&fext=.jsp&c_id=fla

I dont know if you've seen this but in this article on the stadium they have a video in the left sidebar that showes the stadium in 3D.
I love that they have a retractable roof, AND, closeable side-windows!
I'm not a big baseball-fan, but I will definetly see a game sometime in the new stadium.

http://www.miamiherald.com/460/story/1283450.html

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2737/4070651699_9c675f168c_b.jpg

A video on the progress of the stadium:

http://www.justnews.com/video/21465945/index.html

Animated video of the stadium: http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=5930231

good progress

A recent pic:

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q344/Tommy_Carcetti/mpark3.jpg

Two new articles:
http://blogs.trb.com/sports/custom/business/blog/2009/12/marlins_stadium_update_no_3_ch.html
http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091218&content_id=7828988&vkey=news_fla&fext=.jsp&c_id=fla

http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu273/areacode212/MarlinsBallPark-3462.jpg

http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu273/areacode212/MarlinsBallPark-3463.jpg

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http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu273/areacode212/MarlinsBallPark-3472.jpg

http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu273/areacode212/MarlinsBallPark-3473.jpg

damn! these columns are big

You can see a few of the large columns in these renderings:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/jerseylover/marlinspark5.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/jerseylover/marlinspark2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/jerseylover/marlinspark3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/jerseylover/marlinspark.jpg

Downtown Miami is going to get massive congestion because of this move. How stupid can you get?

if it is as hot as Arlington Texas in the summer, men they need a roof. We wish they had a roof on the ball park in arlington for the Texas Rangers.

Yes, it gets awfully hot in Texas. But during the summer month the Dallas area doesn't get much rain, unlike Miami which sees a shower almost everyday.

Downtown Miami is going to get massive congestion because of this move. How stupid can you get?

Miami won't be any different than any other large major league downtown stadium. Haven't you noticed travel patterns lately, when there was once two rush hours, one in the morning and one in the evening, there are now four rush hours, two in the morning and two in the evenings, for work and school. Kids don't walk far to school anymore...

How's Miami's mass transit system doing?

How's Miami's mass transit system doing?

:uh:What mass transit system?

How's Miami's mass transit system doing?

Why do they need it? They have roads...and cars too!

Looking great, it's going to sprout fast now!

Why do they need it? They have roads...and cars too!

Fans drink at games, you know. But I suppose drunk driving is acceptable if it means we're not "like Europe"?

They need mass transit to and from sporting events, or any event with a large gathering of people and alcohol.

Fans drink at games, you know. But I suppose drunk driving is acceptable if it means we're not "like Europe"?

They need mass transit to and from sporting events, or any event with a large gathering of people and alcohol.

I drink too, but never drive home drunk. Matter of fact I've never been drunk more than 3 times in my life. Most people have one or 2 beers at a game, perfectly acceptable to drive home after a 3-4 hour event. That not acceptable in europe? They throw you behind barbed wire for that too?

No. We just drink more than you it seems.

People can have 3-4 in a 90 minute game of football.

Yes, it gets awfully hot in Texas. But during the summer month the Dallas area doesn't get much rain, unlike Miami which sees a shower almost everyday.

its not about the rain, its about the beating of playing in Dallas all summer. That's why Arizona has a roof, and Houston.

Last Friday, landing at MIA, I saw the ballpark (caught me by surprise, wish I had a camera with me on the plane) and they already got one of the stands up. Well, half a stand.

Interesting stadium design, I'll have to wait until it’s finished to really make my mind up as to whether I like it or not. Although, anything beats the ballpark they are currently in. This design does look to really fit the Miami feel and style, so it might turnout well for them. It would just look weird and out of place almost anywhere else in the country.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/grecodg3/1130.jpg

Downtown Miami is going to get massive congestion because of this move. How stupid can you get?

First of all this stadium has replaced the Orange Bowl which is located in the Little Havana neighborhood of Miami which is about 1 & 1/2 miles due west of downtown Miami. It is not in downtown Miami.


Snorky33 Quote:
Originally Posted by nyrmetros
How's Miami's mass transit system doing?

What mass transit system?

Miami has Metrorail which is a 22 mile elevated heavy rail system however the nearest station is about 10 blocks away. Shuttle buses from the nearest station will take fans to the stadium although I have seen many fans walk.
Eventually there is supposed to be a Metrorail extension that will have a station in front of the ballpark.

First of all this stadium has replaced the Orange Bowl which is located in the Little Havana neighborhood of Miami which is about 1 & 1/2 miles due west of downtown Miami. It is not in downtown Miami.
1 & 1/2 miles isn't very far. I sense congestion.

^ well it's in the middle of a very dense urban neighborhood but the Orange Bowl stood there for decades before and the faced the same congestion too. The ballpark will have 4 new parking garages also which the old Orange Bowl didn't have so that should help too.

What other events are planned for it, besides being used as a ball park?

What other events are planned for it, besides being used as a ball park?

Maybe a concert here or there, probably nothing much.

Maybe a concert here or there, probably nothing much.

Pretty stupid for such a controversial stadium. They should pack it with all sorts of stuff during the winter so it get's payed of as soon as possible and make the taxpayers happy.

Since they have the roof, shouldn't it be great for a indoor fair of some sort?

Pretty stupid for such a controversial stadium. They should pack it with all sorts of stuff during the winter so it get's payed of as soon as possible and make the taxpayers happy.

Since they have the roof, shouldn't it be great for a indoor fair of some sort?

You do realize this is a ballpark right? Baseball? 80 home dates. Only shared hockey/basketball arenas get that much use.

You do realize this is a ballpark right? Baseball? 80 home dates. Only shared hockey/basketball arenas get that much use.

True, but it isn't used at all over the winter.

Since they have the roof, shouldn't it be great for a indoor fair of some sort?

I think its still open in left/left center. It just has a roof, its not totally enclosed. Winter doesn't get all that cold in Miami, but it might not be as conducive as other places around town.

There are enclosed lounges and meeting areas that will be rented out for banquets etc. Some people like to have wedding receptions, board meetings, and other special events at sports venues.

I can't really tell for sure if its open though, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Pretty stupid for such a controversial stadium. They should pack it with all sorts of stuff during the winter so it get's payed of as soon as possible and make the taxpayers happy.

Since they have the roof, shouldn't it be great for a indoor fair of some sort?

Why? This is a baseball stadium, generally used for baseball.

First of all this stadium has replaced the Orange Bowl which is located in the Little Havana neighborhood of Miami which is about 1 & 1/2 miles due west of downtown Miami. It is not in downtown Miami.


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How's Miami's mass transit system doing?

What mass transit system?

Miami has Metrorail which is a 22 mile elevated heavy rail system however the nearest station is about 10 blocks away. Shuttle buses from the nearest station will take fans to the stadium although I have seen many fans walk.
Eventually there is supposed to be a Metrorail extension that will have a station in front of the ballpark.

Any chance of expanding the elevated heavy rail system? Does anyone use it?

I think its still open in left/left center. It just has a roof, its not totally enclosed. Winter doesn't get all that cold in Miami, but it might not be as conducive as other places around town.

There are enclosed lounges and meeting areas that will be rented out for banquets etc. Some people like to have wedding receptions, board meetings, and other special events at sports venues.

I can't really tell for sure if its open though, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.

True, but if you're gonna use it for fairs and stuff, you need to have it completely enclosed.

Why? This is a baseball stadium, generally used for baseball.
That the people have payed for.

True, but if you're gonna use it for fairs and stuff, you need to have it completely enclosed.


That the people have payed for.


Baseball stadiums almost never get complaints about use. There are always summer concerts, college baseball events, ocassional unusual events and most baseball parks (most US stadiums and arenas) have pro shops and baseball parks often have museums. Its football stadiums whose uses are in question. This venue will have far more events than a football stadium could ever wish for.

Baseball stadiums almost never get complaints about use. There are always summer concerts, college baseball events, ocassional unusual events and most baseball parks (most US stadiums and arenas) have pro shops and baseball parks often have museums. Its football stadiums whose uses are in question. This venue will have far more events than a football stadium could ever wish for.

Good then! :)

Baseball stadiums almost never get complaints about use. There are always summer concerts, college baseball events, ocassional unusual events and most baseball parks (most US stadiums and arenas) have pro shops and baseball parks often have museums. Its football stadiums whose uses are in question. This venue will have far more events than a football stadium could ever wish for.

Baseball stadiums are in well use for almost 6 months out of the year. Also, when compared to football stadiums, the field is very sensitive and most clubs don't want to have many non baseball events there. Concerts can cause big issues for a field.

I think its still open in left/left center. It just has a roof, its not totally enclosed. Winter doesn't get all that cold in Miami, but it might not be as conducive as other places around town.

There are enclosed lounges and meeting areas that will be rented out for banquets etc. Some people like to have wedding receptions, board meetings, and other special events at sports venues.

I can't really tell for sure if its open though, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm pretty sure it's going to completely enclosed (not when the roof's open, of course), as it's supposed to be air conditioned.

Pretty stupid for such a controversial stadium. They should pack it with all sorts of stuff during the winter so it get's payed of as soon as possible and make the taxpayers happy.

Since they have the roof, shouldn't it be great for a indoor fair of some sort?

I've read that they're considering all types of events for the stadium, such as concerts, and I even read about the possibility of a smaller college football bowl game being held there - not sure what they'll end up doing, but the Marlins have said their open to exploring pretty much anything, IIRC.

Some pics from Ghost Of Fire/ Flickr from last week

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Thanks for posting those pictures Dexter. I'm in Fort Lauderdale - I've been down there twice to see it in person and it's always great to see other views than that of the webcam. I hope they get that second webcam up soon (I think it's supposed to be somewhere on or near the top of the SE super-column to look into the stadium since our view from the current webcam will soon be blocked by a building :P ) It's awesome to watch the stadium go up before our eyes!

Are there any chances Miami could host a final four here?

Are there any chances Miami could host a final four here?

No, it won't meet the new NCAA requirement of having a minimum capacity of 70,000 I believe. I don't see how they could easily fit another 30,000 seats in this place.

I guess since no one else is doing it

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Great pictures. Thanks for the update =)

this ballpark is rising rather quickly! Nice pics and update!

These are more recent (today) images than those ones above:

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this ballpark is rising rather quickly! Nice pics and update!

I know, I can't believe how quickly it's going up!

looking pretty good.

May 6, 2010

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That hideous...I mean wonderful....homerun feature's home is almost done.

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Is there going to be a fake marlin jump out of it or something?

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Is there going to be a fake marlin jump out of it or something?

That's what we all thought, or at least I thought, but no.....it's going to be this hideous thing that will pop up:

http://blogs.trb.com/sports/custom/business/blog/Marlins-Grooms-1.jpg

I feel horrible for you and the 7 other Marlins fans.

This is going to be a great stadium ... it is going to be good to see a new MLB stadium fully adopt modernity rather than trying its hardest to become Camden Yards redux.

I feel horrible for you and the 7 other Marlins fans.

:lol:

That's what we all thought, or at least I thought, but no.....it's going to be this hideous thing that will pop up:

http://blogs.trb.com/sports/custom/business/blog/Marlins-Grooms-1.jpg

WTF is that?

Well aside from that it's going to be a great ballpark. Refreshingly modern.

I feel horrible for you and the 7 other Marlins fans. :bash:

you mean the two time World Series Champion Marlins? I'm sure they have more than 7 fans though!

That's what we all thought, or at least I thought, but no.....it's going to be this hideous thing that will pop up:

http://blogs.trb.com/sports/custom/business/blog/Marlins-Grooms-1.jpg

Perhaps I have bad taste but I think that is rather good looking. :)

Pretty sure I saw that on the side of a building...

:bash:

you mean the two time World Series Champion Marlins? I'm sure they have more than 7 fans though!

You're right, I said "you and the 7 other fans". So, that's 8. :|

Just thought I'd post the latest webcam pictures:

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As you can see in this next picture, some of the first sections of the fixed part of the roof have been installed.
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^ Thanks for the updated pics rmc and it's amazing how quickly this ballpark is rising!

^ Thanks for the updated pics rmc and it's amazing how quickly this ballpark is rising!

WOW... the construction it going so fast .. !!

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^^ Haha, that kind of cool. :)

Personally, I think this might be the dumbest idea to incorporate into and MLB ballpark since putting a swimming pool in the outfield.

I love the idea of an aquarium behind home plate! Its something you would expect in Miami. Really unique IMO

I don't like it being visible to the field. It'll be pretty easy for a ball to get lost in that.

I don't like it being visible to the field. It'll be pretty easy for a ball to get lost in that.

then why do they allow places like Dodger Stadium? People are about as tough of a backdrop as there is.

then why do they allow places like Dodger Stadium? People are about as tough of a backdrop as there is.

I see what you're saying, but I don't think that's reason enough to do it.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/fish_bytes/2010/06/will-the-foul-balls-scare-the-fish.html

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Seems like they'd be an inopportune foul ball away from touching off a shitstorm with animal-rights lobbyists...

Seems like they'd be an inopportune foul ball away from touching off a shitstorm with animal-rights lobbyists...

Or they could just make the glass strong enough to withstand a foul ball?

I could see how they would put an aquarium there. At least there would be something for people sitting behind it to look at when there are stoppages in play or when the home team is down a ton of run in the late innings.

Can I assume that they'll put tropical species in there?

Read the article, the aquariums will be made out of bulletproof material, so a foulball will not break them. Also, they are not right behind homeplate, therefore will not be a distraction to the pitcher. You dont need backdrops for a pitcher, only the hitter....which is why they have greenage in centerfield.

The aquarium idea sounds crazy, however thumbs up for this one.

Personally, I think this might be the dumbest idea to incorporate into and MLB ballpark since putting a swimming pool in the outfield.

Why? It's distinctive/unique, and I think it's a great idea.

And, well....the Marlins' ballpark has both aquariums and a swimming pool in the outfield, so you must really hate the park already. :lol:

You dont need backdrops for a pitcher, only the hitter....which is why they have greenage in centerfield.

Its not the pitcher, its the fielders. A low liner to 3rd, or 1st could easily get lost in this aquarium. But, its not like this is unique. Like was mentioned earlier, Dodger Stadium has fans down there, Target Field has that beige limestone, PNC park has some beige stone in with the brick, etc.

A virtual tour of the stadium: http://www.seats3d.com/mlb/florida_marlins/

Seems like they'd be an inopportune foul ball away from touching off a shitstorm with animal-rights lobbyists...

Activist groups are like tha maffia. The only way of stopping them is to say No, I won't back down!

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from the webcam(s)

what is the thread of this stadium?

What does that mean Juanes?

^^^^is a pseudonym

^^
Your original question still makes no sense, maybe try rephrasing it. IMHO

^^^^oh sorry, i try ti ask, if is this the real thread of this stadium or is other

^^^^oh sorry, i try ti ask, if is this the real thread of this stadium or is other

Yes this is the official SSC thread for the New Marlins ballpark in Miami.:)

Been almost a month since the last update.

June 10th, 2010

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Don't know if these 3D models have been posted here, but here they are.

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