- Will reflect the Cowboys brand familiarty(Texas Stadium clone perhaps??)
I hope so. I don't want Exxon Park or TXU Stadium.

I can't wait until the Redskins beat the Cowboys in that stadium.

Can't wait to see Teh Daniel want a retractable roof as soon as JerryWorld opens.

Craziness.

Can't wait to see Teh Daniel want a retractable roof as soon as JerryWorld opens.
:laugh:

that new stadium looks awesome by the way. Texas will have two of the best.

True, however if they don't move to Brooklyn, they'll move to the Newark Arena. Continental Airlines Arena will face the wrecking ball almost certainly, Newark's new mayor wants it destroyed on the grounds that "having two arenas is silly."

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What do you have against Continental Airlines Arena, b/c I find it a good place to go for a Nets game especially since it's right off the NJ Tpk?

^^ I don't have anything against that arena, I've never been to it but have heard from several people it's a good place to watch a game. :yes:

But the mayor of Newark doesn't want "redundant" venues, and the Devils aren't going to stop building their new home, so there's no choice really.

:grouphug:

Yup thats right

I can't wait until the Redskins beat the Cowboys in that stadium.
You mean you can't wait until the Redskins beat the Cowboys in that stadium once every 10 years like Texas Stadium. Hey, we're 4-2 in FedEx Field so far this century lol.

You mean you can't wait until the Redskins beat the Cowboys in that stadium once every 10 years like Texas Stadium. Hey, we're 4-2 in FedEx Field so far this century lol.
That is the past. You seem to forget that FedEx field was built during one of the lowpoints in Redskins history.

The future is bright for the Skins. I can't say the same for the Cowboys. Not as long as you guys have T.O. on your team.

As long as the Nets remain a NJ Nets, I will support whatever they will get. However, the Meadowlands are getting a new makeover as well as having train connections to Penn Station in the next few years. Also, if the Brooklyn fails, there hasn't been any say on if they will join the Devils in Newark, so it will be most likely that will stay in Rutherford until after 2012, after an extension was signed recently. On a sidenote, East Rutherford, or just Rutherford, isn't really home to much excpet for that complex, and it's more closer to Secaucus and Ft Lee than it is to Newark and Jersey City.

That is the past. You seem to forget that FedEx field was built during one of the lowpoints in Redskins history.

The future is bright for the Skins. I can't say the same for the Cowboys. Not as long as you guys have T.O. on your team.

Who cares. As far as you're concerned, Skins #1. As far as I'm concerned, hurry up and build a damned roof to improve the US world cup bid. Perhaps that's why teh Daniel wanted in on Six Flags. Interesting that two Six Flags parks are right in view of the new stadium.

Article about NY Red Bulls new stadium in the Sportsbussinesjournal :

You have to pay/make up an email address to read the article, so I'll save you the time and post some highlights.

* The soccer stadium could cost $150 million, making it the most expensive soccer stadium in the country

* "Construction is expected to start by March, and the facility could open in July 2008 depending on the severity of the winters, said Nick Sakiewicz, president of AEG New York and Red Bull Stadium."

* Cost increase is mainly due to Red Bull wanting a more European style design. 25,000 seats, 90% of which are covered by a roof, seats right down to the field.

* Suites: 60 now instead of 40, 12 rows from the field (suites are 20 rows away at Toyota Park).

* It will have a permanent stage, but it will be concealed more than the one in Chicago, with temporary seats. “You won’t be able to tell there is a stage there during soccer,” he [Sakiewicz] said.

http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com...51196&keyword=

But in the USA there many stadiums with high cost??!!

I think this has something to do with property costs, especially in NY and other inner city regions.
Keep in mind that many clubs in Europe dont have these problems because they own their grounds since decades (often a hundred years).
So they wont have to buy up new property in order to built a new stadium.

And not all stadiums in the states are so expensive. Look at the new Cardinals stadium for example.
Great stadium for a fair price.

keep some more pics coming

keep some more pics coming

I don't know if anybody have reported this, but Kansas City, Missouri, is building a new arena. Here's are some renderings.

http://www.sprintcenter.com/images/gallery1-2.jpg
http://www.sprintcenter.com/images/gallery1-3.jpg
http://www.sprintcenter.com/images/gallery1-4.jpg
http://www.sprintcenter.com/images/gallery2-1.jpg
http://www.sprintcenter.com/images/gallery2-3.jpg

Although the interior's nice, the exterior just seems odd for an American arena.

At least from the renderings I think I am going to love this arena. One of the few real cool looking areans built in the last few decades possiably. I love that its goingto let natural light in. What is amazing is that they don't even haf a pro basketball or hockey team to play in it and it still looks like it will be a beauty.

^^

Who cares. As far as you're concerned, Skins #1. As far as I'm concerned, hurry up and build a damned roof to improve the US world cup bid. Perhaps that's why teh Daniel wanted in on Six Flags. Interesting that two Six Flags parks are right in view of the new stadium.
The US hosted a World Cup in 94. I doubt we will make another serious bid any time soon.

The future is bright for the Skins. I can't say the same for the Cowboys. Not as long as you guys have T.O. on your team.

yeah..the future is bright for the Redskins instead of the Cowboys even though the Cowboys have one of the youngest defenses in the NFL and one of the younger backfields in the NFL. We build our team through drafts while you trade yours every year yet your future looks bright and ours dont? Also, for that not to make it just the past. You will have to do what you did last season consistently. Time will tell if you can in 2006. I don't think the Skins ever beaten the Cowboys more than 3 times in a row. I doubt that'll change this season...Back to the stadium now.

That has to be the ugliest stadium design I have EVER seen.

yeah..the future is bright for the Redskins instead of the Cowboys even though the Cowboys have one of the youngest defenses in the NFL and one of the younger backfields in the NFL. We build our team through drafts while you trade yours every year yet your future looks bright and ours dont? Also, for that not to make it just the past. You will have to do what you did last season consistently. Time will tell if you can in 2006. I don't think the Skins ever beaten the Cowboys more than 3 times in a row. I doubt that'll change this season...Back to the stadium now.
I don't want to take this thread any further off topic, so check your PM box for my response.

Mike Dolan, who owns all the Knicks, Liberty, and Rangers, has been against the new MSG being that he doesn't want to loose his taxbreaks that he gets from the current location.

Mike Dolan, who owns all the Knicks, Liberty, and Rangers, has been against the new MSG being that he doesn't want to loose his taxbreaks that he gets from the current location.

Not at all. The Dolan Family (Charles, and his son James - not "Mike"), who owns Cablevision Systems, in addition to owning the Knicks, Rangers, Liberty, Radio City Music Hall, and numerous TV Stations, OWNS Madison Square Garden. They're against building a new competing facility (such as the West Side Stadium), as they currently have a monopoly in Manhattan.

Actually...there have been some talks that are nothing but a dream at this point, of Dan Snyder building a new Redskins stadium on the RFK site, w/ a retractable roof, b/c he really wants a Super Bowl in DC and World Cup obviously would be good, and for a potential Olympic bid sometime in the future. The land that Fed Ex Field is on right now would go for a good amount of money. The only reason that stadium is there is b/c Jack Kent Cooke understandably didn't want to deal with the District gov't. Tearing it down seems like a huge waste, but the possibilities of a real nice stadium on the RFK site which is prime is really lucrative.

But about the Dallas Stadium, when I see the new renderings, I'll judge. So far, you know it will be something special. That old rendering isn't very "Dallas Cowboys" though. Maybe in the future but I envision something tall and grand, but not all contemporary looking like the rendering.

I have a hard time believing that FedEx field will be torn down, or that the Redskins would even seriously consider playing in D.C. again.

There might be a possibility of it happening in around 15 years. FedEx field will be around 30 years old by then, so there might be some justification for building a new Redskins stadium.

The Maryland Stadium Authority won't like that one bit.

Yeah, it's a real pipe dream, the only thing is with Snyder. It would be a huge story around here for sure. Fed Ex field is a real monster of a stadium, Snyder wants a temple for his team, and where RFK is located on East Capitol Street, next to the river, it has a great view of the Capitol and can be seen from a nice distance away.

Also, Fed Ex field, logistically, is terrible, getting around over there is awful, the stadium will be 9 yrs old, and will be paid off in 6 yrs. Also, the land RFK is on is property of the National Park Service, and there's no plan on what to do with it yet except for nothing, the city would have to make a deal to acquire or it could be given to the Snyders. The whole thing to me is that this is Dan Snyder and he's done some things.

And he REALLY wants a Super Bowl held in DC, which is definite, unlike the world cup or olympics, if we had a retractable roof. Looks like he'll just have to suck it up or make a big decision. Dealing with the DC government would be a bitch though, if he wanted to get it done, with the wealth and know how he has, he could, but it would be a hassle.

With this said, it's pretty out there, I personally think that land could be very nicely redeveloped and get more people on the east side.

^^
Why don't they just build a retractable roof over FedEx?

Dolan is also opposed to the Nets moving to Brooklyn just as much as he was for the Jets comming to Manhattan.

Article about NY Red Bulls new stadium in the Sportsbussinesjournal :

You have to pay/make up an email address to read the article, so I'll save you the time and post some highlights.

* The soccer stadium could cost $150 million, making it the most expensive soccer stadium in the country

* "Construction is expected to start by March, and the facility could open in July 2008 depending on the severity of the winters, said Nick Sakiewicz, president of AEG New York and Red Bull Stadium."

* Cost increase is mainly due to Red Bull wanting a more European style design. 25,000 seats, 90% of which are covered by a roof, seats right down to the field.

* Suites: 60 now instead of 40, 12 rows from the field (suites are 20 rows away at Toyota Park).

* It will have a permanent stage, but it will be concealed more than the one in Chicago, with temporary seats. “You won’t be able to tell there is a stage there during soccer,” he [Sakiewicz] said.

http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com...51196&keyword=


Good to see that the sponsership is being useful. I wasnt a fan of calling a team the "red bulls" but if it means a great stadium...

If they want the most modern design, the seats shouldnt reach the field though. FIFA recommends elevated seats (or lowered field) for better visibility.

^^Really? So is it just going to be for conserts and events?

anyways, it looks pretty good...

That looks great! I love the outside. When is it finished? I know they're trying to land the Pens, but do they have any minor league hockey teams?

Some would say its being built out of spite towards Dallas. Not the whole picture, but certainly is part of it.

Awesome hockey seems to be a growing sport since phoenix just got a new arena a few years ago also

glad to see this one beat out some of those other proposals

Nice

What does Dallas have to do with KC building its own basketball/hockey arena?

What does Dallas have to do with KC building its own basketball/hockey arena?

Because Dallas got into the rotation of hosting the Men's and Women's Big 12 Basketball Tournament Championships when the Big 8 became the Big 12 adding 4 Texas teams to the conference. the B12 tourney had been a very HUGE staple of KC economy and tradition ... and were insulted that Dallas would even THINK of taking away their precious tournament. In all fairness to them, they rightfully host an amazing 4 days of basketball, but was often heavily slanted towards the north teams in the conference. So, to make it more 'balanced', Dallas gets to host the tournaments every few years.

Kemper Arena was one of the reasons why KC was unable to hold the tournament every year ... although it is a very tradition-rich arena, it was becoming inadequate for the prestige of the event.

Also, it will take away the possibility of Dallas always getting to host regional championships for the midwest/south regional of the big NCAA tournament. Sort of pay-back for stealing the B12 tourney away.

I really like this design, reminds me of Phog Allen Fieldhouse in Lawrence, Kansas (University of Kansas) with the natural light. Can't wait to see it.

http://www.eslminiconf.net/october/fotos/allen.jpg

http://aiphotovault.com/photos/58_26_111.jpg

http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~praveenl/basktball%20012.jpg

When the Big 8 conference existed and into the first few seasons of the Big XII, Kansas City was the annual host of the post regular season conference basketball tournament. Such events bring big dollars to local economies as the hundreds of thousands that descend upon a given city spend on hotels, car rental, restaurants, etc. Well, a few years into the Big XII(Big 8 conference + Upper tier of Southwest Conference + Baylor LOL, j/k) other cities, particularly in Texas began to petition to have the event move around. Dallas was to open the American Airlines Center along with existing Reunion Arena to host the tournament in 2001, making it the first outside of Kansas City. The Kansas City media bashed the location as being too close to the Texas participants(closest school is Oklahoma), bashed Dallas in general as not being a basketball town and bashed Dallas as a city, despite both of Dallas' venues being better than the best in Kansas City, Dallas having better airport facilities, better public transit, more hotel space, more entertainment areas, etc, etc. It didn't help that Dallas has since broken the attendance record in each of the 3 times it has hosted since then. Kansas City hosted again in 2005 and decried wanting to keep the tournament 'where it belongs' forever. Of course they want to lure professional teams, but that's always a long shot until the leagues are talking about moving teams and not just owner speculation. Now KC will have a venue of the quality between the American Airlines Center and Reunion Arena, so they can compete better with Oklahoma City to at least take some of those possible tournaments in KC. If that's enough to justify their new arena, then I guess that's fine. The outright Dallas bashing was way over the top though.

It was bound to happen. Here's the link:

Niners wanting new stadium (http://49ers.com/pressbox/news_detail.php?PRKey=2033&section=PR%20News)

Here's a picture:

http://49ers.com/nm_files/Image/High%20Res%20Stadium/skylineviewsub.jpg

I have 2 problems. First, this stadium seats 68,000, yet officials want it to hold the Super Bowl. Hopefully, it'll have some expansion areas. Second, it's 1000 seats fewer than the current stadium.

Here's another photo:

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4558/stadiumbirdseyeonenj2.jpg

Yet again, here's another photo:

http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2006/07/18/ba_proposedgrf.jpg

Oh, that's real good...finish by 2012...

Monster Park is an absolute dump, get that team out of there sooner than that. The atmosphere surely can't be helping these dismal seasons.

I have 2 problems. First, this stadium seats 68,000, yet officials want it to hold the Super Bowl. Hopefully, it'll have some expansion areas. Second, it's 1000 seats fewer than the current stadium.
How is capacity determined for football in Monster Park? There are seats that extend off to seemingly nowhere [for baseball configuration] and the amount of people filling those stands trails off into the distance...

:grouphug:

Well if San Francisco would like a realistic chance at hosting an Olympic Games then they'd better build a new, and larger, stadium.

a.) NFL stadiums are not necessarily about capacity, but more about maximizing revenues. Hence, seats with views and lots of close luxury suites.

b.) That would be a great, unique bowl. Taking advantage of field and environment views for everyone. Fast track it. Especially being fully privately funded.

c.) Hoping this is the final design, and hoping the exterior design is just as well though out.

d.) Did I mention that this is a well though out design. Kudos to the NFL again for being ahead of the curve for building unique, well thought out designs that are not just into themselves and have unique character from stadium to stadium.

Looks like Tampa's stadium, which i REALLY like, but this one bores me for some reason. I'm sure the design has a lot to do with the Bay Area weather to prevent swirling, but i give that a big ol "meh". SF is a VERY creative city, so i'd like to see something a little more SF-culture-based.

More than half of the stadium's seating seems to be in the endzones, there are not enough lux boxes, they left a plaza for a city viewing opportunity, which doesn't really even seem to be necessary as downtown appears to be so far away, and what is that giant wall behind the lux boxes?

Between this and Stanford University's new stadium, i've been wholly underwhelmed with San Francisco's stadium architects.

Dallas, KC, and OKC better look out:

Tulsa is also building a new arena. It's intent will probably be to lure events such as the Big XII bball tourney's b/c OKC has the Hornets and *probably* the Seattle Sonics coming to town

http://www.archinect.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_pelli_arena.jpg

http://www.tulsaworld.com/SpecialSections/2006/TulsaOnBoard/images/lrgOnBoard13.jpg

Construction:
http://www.kotv.com/pages/catimages/bokarena071406.jpg
http://www.kotv.com/pages/catimages/arena-aerial62706.jpg

Tulsa. LOL.

Yeah, watch out Dallas.

When the Big 8 conference existed and into the first few seasons of the Big XII, Kansas City was the annual host of the post regular season conference basketball tournament. Such events bring big dollars to local economies as the hundreds of thousands that descend upon a given city spend on hotels, car rental, restaurants, etc. Well, a few years into the Big XII(Big 8 conference + Upper tier of Southwest Conference + Baylor LOL, j/k) other cities, particularly in Texas began to petition to have the event move around. Dallas was to open the American Airlines Center along with existing Reunion Arena to host the tournament in 2001, making it the first outside of Kansas City. The Kansas City media bashed the location as being too close to the Texas participants(closest school is Oklahoma), bashed Dallas in general as not being a basketball town and bashed Dallas as a city, despite both of Dallas' venues being better than the best in Kansas City, Dallas having better airport facilities, better public transit, more hotel space, more entertainment areas, etc, etc. It didn't help that Dallas has since broken the attendance record in each of the 3 times it has hosted since then. Kansas City hosted again in 2005 and decried wanting to keep the tournament 'where it belongs' forever. Of course they want to lure professional teams, but that's always a long shot until the leagues are talking about moving teams and not just owner speculation. Now KC will have a venue of the quality between the American Airlines Center and Reunion Arena, so they can compete better with Oklahoma City to at least take some of those possible tournaments in KC. If that's enough to justify their new arena, then I guess that's fine. The outright Dallas bashing was way over the top though.

Wow. There are a lot of parts of this post that are factually wrong.

First, don't act like the Dallas media didn't provoke Kansas City by saying, "Don't worry Kansas City, we'll return the tournament to you in better shape."
Second, it wasn't just Kansas City bashing Dallas, it was a lot of Big 12 cities bashing Dallas. Not because of a lack of facilities, rather because of a lack of charm. The entire population gets into the Big 12 tournament, while Dallas doesn't.
Third, Dallas has never broken the men's attendence record, in any year they've hosted the tournament. They have broken the attendence record for the women's tournament. Here's all of the attendence figures for the Big 12 tournament:

Year Basketball Attendance (Men/Women)
1996-97 Kansas City 101,120/18,700
1997-98 Kansas City 89,200/18,774
1998-99 Kansas City 81,300/30,968
1999-00 Kansas City 108,500/29,961
2000-01 Kansas City 91,500/31,831
2001-02 Kansas City 104,740/32,953
2002-03 Dallas 94,800/35,619
2003-04 Dallas 105,610/34,851
2004-05 Kansas City 109,608/26,929
2005-06 Dallas 109,428/26,551

What is the weather like in the Bay during early Feb? If it's any where near cold, the NFL would want it to be a dome.

How does this stadium fit into the possibl SF olympic bid? Is it being used as a back up plan? Will it be able to accomodate an athletics track?

IMHO Soldier Field is, by far, the most assymetrical of all NFL stadiums. If the 49ers go along wit these plans through, this would prove to be second.

I love Soldier Field's unique shape, but it was based on fitting in a new stadium within the exterior of the old one. SF has no such restrictions.

Therefore I wonder why the super high deck on one side of the field and the luxury suites/press box on the other. Why not redistrubte the sky boxes to both sides of the field, as well, while making two top tiers above both sides of the field?

It was bound to happen. Here's the link:

Niners wanting new stadium (http://49ers.com/pressbox/news_detail.php?PRKey=2033&section=PR%20News)

Here's a picture:

http://49ers.com/nm_files/Image/High%20Res%20Stadium/skylineviewsub.jpg

I have 2 problems. First, this stadium seats 68,000, yet officials want it to hold the Super Bowl. Hopefully, it'll have some expansion areas. Second, it's 1000 seats fewer than the current stadium.

Alot of the new NFL stadiums seem to have room for temp stands to be built in order to get the superbowl, perhaps this one will be the same with that gap at one end?

Third, Dallas has never broken the men's attendence record, in any year they've hosted the tournament. They have broken the attendence record for the women's tournament. Here's all of the attendence figures for the Big 12 tournament:

Year Basketball Attendance (Men/Women)
1996-97 Kansas City 101,120/18,700
1997-98 Kansas City 89,200/18,774
1998-99 Kansas City 81,300/30,968
1999-00 Kansas City 108,500/29,961
2000-01 Kansas City 91,500/31,831
2001-02 Kansas City 104,740/32,953
2002-03 Dallas 94,800/35,619
2003-04 Dallas 105,610/34,851
2004-05 Kansas City 109,608/26,929
2005-06 Dallas 109,428/26,551

Maybe he meant "Total Attendence", because that record would belong to Dallas in 2003-2004 with 140,461. You have to admit, many thought that Dallas couldn't pull it off (me included) and they've done a fantastic job. Now the area Victory Plaza is even NICER ... which is more than can be said for KC, IMO.

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It reminds me of a College Stadium. Looks pretty cheap to be honest, SF deserves better.

Well, its not even a final rendering. I do not expect to have it a dome, especially if the city is going after the Olympics. In general most NFL Stadiums bore me, so I won't be surprised if this one bores me too.

How does this stadium fit into the possibl SF olympic bid? Is it being used as a back up plan? Will it be able to accomodate an athletics track?
It doesn't seem realistic to use it as a track & field stadium for an Olympics, so perhaps it would serve as the main host for football [soccer] matches.

I love Soldier Field's unique shape, but it was based on fitting in a new stadium within the exterior of the old one. SF has no such restrictions.

Therefore I wonder why the super high deck on one side of the field and the luxury suites/press box on the other. Why not redistrubte the sky boxes to both sides of the field, as well, while making two top tiers above both sides of the field?
Soldier Field could have been designed like a "conventional" stadium with the enclosed seats circling the field instead of stacked on the lakeshore side. The old exterior walls were very wide and could accomodate most any design that would please them.

Stacking the suites/boxes/clubseats on one end of the stadium allows for the regular seats opposite to be closer to the field. This was also the reasoning behind the design of Soldier Field and even Philips Arena in Atlanta.

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Not only will the Sprint Center bring back the NCAA Tourney and Big Twelve, but it was also built with the hope that they would attract an NBA or NHL franchise back to Kansas City. Though the Seattle SuperSonics are out of the running, Portland, New Orleans, or even [ironically] Sacramento are possible candidates. I think drawing an NHL team to return to KC would be more difficult.

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Although the interior's nice, the exterior just seems odd for an American arena.

I love it! Exterior is great. Interior is nice, but not very spectaculair. :colgate:

Ahh yes, the new KC arena. Give it 15 years or so... you know enough time for the glass to get a but dusty, the shine to lose some of its luster, and of course the inevitable wear and tear that all arenas encounter. Boy will that look great.

Thats the thing I love about new "modernistic" arenas... is how well they age. Its amazing how something that sells itself on being flashy and new looks after it gets... well... old.

To be honest, the interrior layout reminds me most of Ford Field. If thats the case, it will have great sightlines, but it doesnt look like it has a lot of the flair that makes Ford Field really neat. Maybe I will be proven worng though.

In any event the 49ers do need a new stadium... could this stadium possibly host the Olympics as well?

Wow. There are a lot of parts of this post that are factually wrong.

First, don't act like the Dallas media didn't provoke Kansas City by saying, "Don't worry Kansas City, we'll return the tournament to you in better shape."
Second, it wasn't just Kansas City bashing Dallas, it was a lot of Big 12 cities bashing Dallas. Not because of a lack of facilities, rather because of a lack of charm. The entire population gets into the Big 12 tournament, while Dallas doesn't.
Third, Dallas has never broken the men's attendence record, in any year they've hosted the tournament. They have broken the attendence record for the women's tournament. Here's all of the attendence figures for the Big 12 tournament:

Year Basketball Attendance (Men/Women)
1996-97 Kansas City 101,120/18,700
1997-98 Kansas City 89,200/18,774
1998-99 Kansas City 81,300/30,968
1999-00 Kansas City 108,500/29,961
2000-01 Kansas City 91,500/31,831
2001-02 Kansas City 104,740/32,953
2002-03 Dallas 94,800/35,619
2003-04 Dallas 105,610/34,851
2004-05 Kansas City 109,608/26,929
2005-06 Dallas 109,428/26,551


a.) Oh please, the KC media was on it from the day the Big XII announced the tournament would shop for other venues. Don't even play innocent. The KC media also whined about the football championship game

b.) I said tournament attendance record. I have no idea if its men's women's or whatever. I just know that its published. Thank you for proving that fact.

c.) I always found it funny that people would bash Dallas and not attend themselves. Just a bunch of Jayhawk/old Big 8 crying about things staying the way they used to be.

In summary, KC whined and is still whining. Just think if Mark Cuban buys the Pens and keeps them in Pittsburgh.

The glass is a bad idea. Arenas with natural light completely lose atmosphere and don't show well on TV. There is a reason no one has done it before(in a major arena)

Tulsa. LOL.

Yeah, watch out Dallas.

That's what many said about OKC about ten years ago. lest you forget, the Ford Center and Cox Center are hosting the Big 12 Tourney this coming year and the Ford Center is hosting NCAA 1st/2nd rds in 08. It'll be the third time.

The arena in Tulsa looks to be more attractive and a bit more upscale than the Ford Center (pretty plain and basic right now compared to the AAC, think of the SBC Center in San Antonio except it's not barnlike). I wasn't trying to bash Dallas or compare Tulsa to it, I was just stating that there's another arena in the region that will try to compete for events such as the Big 12 Tourney. No need to put it down. It's not like Tulsa hasn't hosted major events before (3 US Open Golf Tournaments).

I'm not from Tulsa but I do know they recently passed Vision 2025 with a one cent sales tax - very similar to OKC's MAPS Projects.

Not only will the Sprint Center bring back the NCAA Tourney and Big Twelve, but it was also built with the hope that they would attract an NBA or NHL franchise back to Kansas City. Though the Seattle SuperSonics are out of the running, Portland, New Orleans, or even [ironically] Sacramento are possible candidates. I think drawing an NHL team to return to KC would be more difficult.

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take sacramento out. all that's left is for the residents of the city to vote for it this november and they'll get a new arena because the city officials approved of funding of it I believe yesterday. The next and final step is just the voting and you know Sacramento will pass that.

b.) I said tournament attendance record. I have no idea if its men's women's or whatever. I just know that its published. Thank you for proving that fact.


Since you didn't say anything with merit except for this part, it'll be the only part I'll address.

You said Dallas has broken the attendence record every single year they held the tournament. Which isn't true. Way to read there bud.

And if Cuban owns the Pens, he'll become the biggest embarassment in two leagues.

take sacramento out. all that's left is for the residents of the city to vote for it this november and they'll get a new arena because the city officials approved of funding of it I believe yesterday. The next and final step is just the voting and you know Sacramento will pass that.
D'oh... It would have been fun to see the Kings return to KC after all these years. Oh well, the Blazers are still cranky, and the Hornets enjoyed their stint in the midwest. :yes:

:grouphug:

D'oh... It would have been fun to see the Kings return to KC after all these years. Oh well, the Blazers are still cranky, and the Hornets enjoyed their stint in the midwest. :yes:

:grouphug:

Assuming Seattle moves to OKC sometime in the near future, you'll probably see either NO or Portland move in there, then the other possibly move to KC.

It's not looking too good to get a team in the Sprint Center by the time it opens. But the NHL has made much quicker turn around (within a few months) so maybe it Ottawa starts to fall into debt again, they might move to KC in time to open the place.

^^ If Seattle losing the Sonics is disappointing, Ottawa losing the Sens would be a national tragedy. I know it's difficult for small markets to support these franchises, but if anything, we need more NHL teams in Canada. Hockey in Miami? Tampa? Atlanta? Phoenix? Los Angeles? Carolina? San Jose? Dallas? It's sad.

Kansas City had the Scouts before they moved to Colorado and then New Jersey, but hockey doesn't seem like it would have much of a fan base in that area. Or am I wrong? :yes:

:grouphug:

That's what many said about OKC about ten years ago. lest you forget, the Ford Center and Cox Center are hosting the Big 12 Tourney this coming year and the Ford Center is hosting NCAA 1st/2nd rds in 08. It'll be the third time.

The arena in Tulsa looks to be more attractive and a bit more upscale than the Ford Center (pretty plain and basic right now compared to the AAC, think of the SBC Center in San Antonio except it's not barnlike). I wasn't trying to bash Dallas or compare Tulsa to it, I was just stating that there's another arena in the region that will try to compete for events such as the Big 12 Tourney. No need to put it down. It's not like Tulsa hasn't hosted major events before (3 US Open Golf Tournaments).

I'm not from Tulsa but I do know they recently passed Vision 2025 with a one cent sales tax - very similar to OKC's MAPS Projects.


Tulsa isn't a big 12 city, it doesn't have big 12 ties the way OKC, KC, SA, or Houston do, doesn't have the infrastructure of even an OKC, and it certianly does not have the appeal of a travel destination. The Big 12 needs to work on getting more events OUT of oklahoma, rather than more events within. No one, NO ONE, in the Big 12 likes traveling to oklahoma and having to spend our cash on crappy La Quintas and 3.2% beer.

KC
St. Louis
Houston
Dallas
San Antonio
Omaha

are suitable hosts for big 12 events.

OKC, i have to admit, is good for baseball

It would be nice to see Denver added to the football rotation sometime

^^ If Seattle losing the Sonics is disappointing, Ottawa losing the Sens would be a national tragedy. I know it's difficult for small markets to support these franchises, but if anything, we need more NHL teams in Canada. Hockey in Miami? Tampa? Atlanta? Phoenix? Los Angeles? Carolina? San Jose? Dallas? It's sad.


:grouphug:

Yeah I see where you are coming from. Dallas is actually a pretty good city for the sport. They by far have the best support regarding sunbelt cities.

No one, NO ONE, in the Big 12 likes traveling to oklahoma and having to spend our cash on crappy La Quintas and 3.2% beer.

KC
St. Louis
Houston
Dallas
San Antonio
Omaha

are suitable hosts for big 12 events.

OKC, i have to admit, is good for baseball

It would be nice to see Denver added to the football rotation sometime

1) Yea, I had the worst time in Tulsa a few months ago when I had 3.2 beer, and wasn't allowed to smoke at a sports bar. Wtf?
2) While I know St. Louis, Omaha, and Denver are pretty good cities, I don't really see the Big 12 going that far east, north, or west with any championship event. I have heard Denver is pushing really hard. Then again, KC really doesn't want another northern city coming into play when it comes to the football championship, and I question how much the schools would want to go to Denver. Not to say that I know the distances from Iowa St to Houston compared to Denver...but you get at what I'm saying.

^^ If Seattle losing the Sonics is disappointing, Ottawa losing the Sens would be a national tragedy. I know it's difficult for small markets to support these franchises, but if anything, we need more NHL teams in Canada. Hockey in Miami? Tampa? Atlanta? Phoenix? Los Angeles? Carolina? San Jose? Dallas? It's sad.

Kansas City had the Scouts before they moved to Colorado and then New Jersey, but hockey doesn't seem like it would have much of a fan base in that area. Or am I wrong? :yes:

:grouphug:


Kansas City has a lot of passionate fans, and they want either an NBA or NHL team to come in. Some want both, but I don't think that will happen.

Yes, they had the Scouts, but the Scouts were an expansion team, and we're the second worst team in the league when they moved here. If teams can give the fans to cheer about in the begining, they will support the team for the long run.

In all honesty, the city is pretty much split and a hockey or basketball team. I'd much perfer an NHL team, but that's because I hate the NBA. But if the NBA, I'd probably go to a few games a year.

1) Yea, I had the worst time in Tulsa a few months ago when I had 3.2 beer, and wasn't allowed to smoke at a sports bar. Wtf?
2) While I know St. Louis, Omaha, and Denver are pretty good cities, I don't really see the Big 12 going that far east, north, or west with any championship event. I have heard Denver is pushing really hard. Then again, KC really doesn't want another northern city coming into play when it comes to the football championship, and I question how much the schools would want to go to Denver. Not to say that I know the distances from Iowa St to Houston compared to Denver...but you get at what I'm saying.


St Louis has hosted 2 big 12 championships, one in 1996 when unranked Texas upset #3 Nebraska and in 1998 where #10 Texas A&M upset #2 Kansas State. Both were monumental games in the grand scheme of college football, eliminating 2 national title contenders in the last week of the football season. St. Louis was a formidable host, and I'd like to see it return.

I agree that Denver is far for potential teams to travel, considering that those two teams will have a contingent that will have to travel to a major bowl game only one month later, but since CU has been in the last 2 B12 championships, and 4 out of the 10 (most of any north team), and have had such poor attendence from their fans, it would be nice to throw em a bone just once.

Also, I'd much prefer an NBA team in the KC arena than NHL. NHL's future is dim and they won't be expanding any time soon. I wouldn't be surprise to see contraction ... the NBA is pretty much the best run, and most marketable league in the world behind EPL and MAYBE the NFL.

The sprint center would be getting a valuable tenent in an NBA team.

Was any facility that was/is used by Georgia Tech used in the Atlanta games?

Yes, the aquatic center.
More info here:
http://ramblinwreck.cstv.com/genrel/032102aae.html

The Georgia Tech Aquatic Center was used. It was built for the Olympics, and during that time was open-air with a roof on top. Since then it's been fully enclosed.

:grouphug:

I thought the stadium would have an athletic track and a retractable roof, but NO! They come up with this design! If San Francisco is to get the Olympics, they better redesign this stadium so it would have a roof and athletics track!

I thought the stadium would have an athletic track and a retractable roof, but NO! They come up with this design! If San Francisco is to get the Olympics, they better redesign this stadium so it would have a roof and athletics track!
well SF seems more likely to get the nod ...since chicago proposed that totally irrational plan to have the ceremony in two stadia..

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/437240p-368434c.html
Is Atlantic Yards right for Brooklyn? Yes

The 22-acre project has led to a fight over whether its skyscrapers, housing and arena will improve the borough

BY MARTY MARKOWITZ

When it comes to Atlantic Yards, I have no agenda but Brooklyn. And as I crisscross Brooklyn every day, I hear residents talking about soaring housing costs, still too-high unemployment and poverty, and the need for smart development. Recent estimates project that our current population of 2.6 million will increase by 300,000 or more in the coming years - equal to the size of Buffalo or Oakland, Calif. Without serious leadership in Washington or Albany, we must look to public-private collaborations such as Atlantic Yards to be part of the solution - that's reality, not theory.

That means action, not obstruction, and Atlantic Yards represents an opportunity to plan constructively and progressively for Brooklyn's inevitable growth. It offers multibillion-dollar, mixed-use, high-density, income-diverse development with a state-of-the-art arena for a pro basketball team and other family-oriented events, as well as cutting-edge, energy-conservation design and 7 acres of public open space, all literally on top of 10 subway lines and a major regional rail hub and accessible by 11 bus lines.

This reflects what urban planners across America typically only dream of.

Atlantic Yards will benefit Brooklynites today and tomorrow. It will transform a century-old urban scar - the long-barren Vanderbilt Railyards - into the city center Brooklyn deserves, producing a boroughwide economic ripple effect. The developer's voluntary commitment to make half the project's rental units affordable to low, moderate and middle-income tenants - within the same buildings - means residents of every background will live side by side, helping preserve the unrivaled income and ethnic diversity we cherish. New jobs and economic opportunities will help break the cycle of poverty.

Above all, Atlantic Yards will reinforce Brooklyn's reputation as the place where big ideas, and dreams, reach fruition. The Brooklyn Bridge, Coney Island, Prospect Park and soon Brooklyn Bridge Park all have spurred city growth and inspired civic pride.

I am confident that in the coming months the public - especially those residing in the area surrounding the Atlantic Yards site - will contribute innovative, worthy ideas that will make this project even better. We all recognize the challenges of a project like this, and I know that by working together we can make Atlantic Yards a symbol of our Brooklyn Renaissance for generations to come.

Because this is the right project in the right place at the right time. Now it's time for all of us to come together to make sure it gets done the right way, too.

Markowitz is Brooklyn borough president.

Originally published on July 23, 2006

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/story/437236p-368433c.html
Is Atlantic Yards right for Brooklyn? No

The 22-acre project has led to a fight over whether its skyscrapers, housing and arena will improve the borough[/u][/b]

BY RONALD SHIFFMAN

The Atlantic Yards proposal is bad for Brooklyn and for every other community in the state. It codifies cronyism and places it above participatory and fair-minded planning.

When you strip away the rhetoric, this project is nothing but a 1960s megablock development dressed in a trendy sculptural façade by a star architect. It fails to weave together the communities that adjoin it, dramatically aggravates traffic and consumes open space. Atlantic Yards will cast a real and metaphoric shadow over its adjoining neighborhoods.

But it's in two areas that the proposal is particularly dangerous: its broken promises on housing and the public process the developers have wantonly ignored.

First, housing. The advocacy group ACORN made an admirable effort to include affordable housing in the project. That has since been distorted by the developer - and not through any public process. Forest City Ratner once promised 50% affordable housing. Now the project includes a little over 30% affordable units, many of which would rent for over $2,000 a month.

The subsidies that the city and state are planning to spend on Atlantic Yards could have been used to provide quality affordable housing in retrofitted and new buildings. Those units could come online far sooner than Ratner's goal of 2016.

What subsidized housing is included in Atlantic Yards must not become the stalking horse for an ill-conceived development that consumes public lands, adversely impacts our communities and blatantly abuses the powers of government.

Perhaps the strongest argument against this project is that, time and again, Ratner has failed to conduct a truly public process or listen to its neighbors. Nowhere are these abuses more evident than in the state's environmental review process. A proposed public hearing is scheduled for the end of August, while community boards remain in recess. A followup community forum is planned for Sept. 12, when the primary election ensures that attention will be diverted.

After the West Side stadium debacle, the city now wants to buy rights to the Metropolitan Transportation Authority's Hudson Yards and then have developers make proposals for projects that would go through the city's planning process. In Brooklyn, the city has endorsed a single-source deal. It's bad planning and deceptive decision-making and unworthy of a world city.

Shiffman is a professor of architecture and urban planning at Pratt Institute's School of Architecture and a New York City Planning Commissioner from 1990 to 1996.

Originally published on July 23, 2006

they do need a new stadium

^^ I'M SO CONFUSED!!!!!!!!!111111 :runaway:

I thought the stadium would have an athletic track and a retractable roof, but NO! They come up with this design! If San Francisco is to get the Olympics, they better redesign this stadium so it would have a roof and athletics track!

an athletics track is one of the two most stupid things you can do to a new football stadium.

Adding a roof is number two

We have PLENTY of track and field dedicated stadiums in the USA to ruin a cathedral of football by placing an ugly ass track around it. The olympics fucking suck, why pander for a 2 week event when you will have to look at that eyesore for 25-40 more years?

You dissin' the Olympics, man?

News reports indicate that the 49ers stadium is to be the main stadium of the 2016 Olympics if its bid is successful. An Olympic Stadium must also host track and field events and the soccer final (unless that city has another large stadium). Athletics tracks are NOT ugly. That 49ers stadium must be specifically designed to convert from a track and field stadium to an American Footballl stadium.

The Olympics are great and do not suck. Deal with it.

You dissin' the Olympics, man?

News reports indicate that the 49ers stadium is to be the main stadium of the 2016 Olympics if its bid is successful. An Olympic Stadium must also host track and field events and the soccer final (unless that city has another large stadium). Athletics tracks are NOT ugly. That 49ers stadium must be specifically designed to convert from a track and field stadium to an American Footballl stadium.

The Olympics are great and do not suck. Deal with it.

tell me why the olympics are still relevant then. Also, tell me why no one builds stadiums with tracks around them in the USA anymore, and those who did, have since ripped them up and lowered their fields.

Two reasons:
1. We have dedicated T&F venues
2. Tracks are an eyesore and put you about 905684938609 miles from the field.

The 49ers are the primary tenant, not the olympics ... so why make the niner fans suffer for a measly, irrelevant opening ceremonies walkthrough, and a footy match that could be held at Stanford.

The 49ers will bring 20x the revenue to the Bay Area than will the olympics. Hell, convert candlestick, or whatever its called into a temporary olympic stadium, then tear that peice of crap down afterwards. It would probably cost less to do that than to retrofit the new stadium from its olympic design one year post olympics, which is pretty much what Atlanta did with Turner Field.

If you want a football stadium that can convert to a track and field stadium and back to a football stadium, why not have a design similar to the Stade de France in Paris? The Stade de France can easily convert from a football stadium to a track and field stadium because the lower lever is mobile.

Monster Park is the stupidest ass name of any Stadium--well maybe beside Taco Bell Arena, Minute Maid Park, Petco, etc. We had to install some cabinets at Petco one time and I was asking the guy I work with--where the hell does a pet store get the money to build a freaking stadium?

I expect something of better quality like PacBell Park out of the fine city of SF

You dissin' the Olympics, man?

News reports indicate that the 49ers stadium is to be the main stadium of the 2016 Olympics if its bid is successful. An Olympic Stadium must also host track and field events and the soccer final (unless that city has another large stadium). Athletics tracks are NOT ugly. That 49ers stadium must be specifically designed to convert from a track and field stadium to an American Footballl stadium.

The Olympics are great and do not suck. Deal with it.
olympics rock..SF is a serious candidate..finding a solution to accommodate a track is not an issue..with technology these days its easy to convert the stadium into a purely football stadium after the games...by using retractable seating or lowering or raising the level of the playing field...anyway we'll see what happens

tbh, i dnt really like the design of the new proposed stadium

wats the problem with the current one

wats the problem with the current one

One, the current facility was built as a baseball stadium. It was expanded, but the sightlines are horrible.

Two, the stadium's old. It has narrow concourses and seats.

Three, there's no club seats and old suites.

That's about it.

At some point in the future, it is almost inevitable that a MLB team will move out of a (what is new now) retro-park* into a new home. The question is which team/stadium will be the first to leave?

*I am defining retro as any new MLB stadium built since Camden Yards, because regardless of whether the stadium fully captures the retro look, the basic concept and feel of all new stadiums has been changed significantly since the introduction of Camden Yards.

Well I doubt it will be Camden Yards, since it is such a beautiful, and historic ballpark(yes I said historic). It is also such an integral part of Baltimore that I cannot imagine the day it is torn down.

I think one of the first may be Turner Field here in Atlanta. Dont get me wrong, beautiful park, and has the whole Olympic heritage going for it. But unlike a lot of the new retro parks, it doesnt have the downtown location or historic feel that could make it "historic" as previously mentioned.

Interesting thread. I've gone back and looked up a few things about the new baseball grounds. Something very telling was revealed. So many new baseball grounds in the last two decades have been built either in the vicinity of the old baseball ground or nearby. Take a look:

US Cellular Field - next to Comiskey Park
Great American - next to Riverfront Stadium
Miller Park - across from County Stadium
PNC Park - across from Three Rivers Stadium
Turner Field - across from Fulton County Stadium
Busch Stadium - next to old Busch Stadium
Safeco Field - across from Kingdome
Citizens Bank Park - next to Veterans Stadium
New Mets Stadium - next to Shea Stadium
New Yankee Stadium - across from Yankee Stadium

I think the only ones that didn't fit this pattern are San Diego, San Francisco, Denver, Baltimore, Toronto, Houston, Arlington and I think Detroit and Cleveland as well. I don't know about Washington and Minneapolis but I think they break from the trend this time.

What this tells me is that in U.S. city centres there is no more adequate space to put in any more suitable big baseball grounds for the forseeable future, barring massive private investment. In addition, U.S. cities appear to be following the European tradition of increasing in density at the urban cores. With the cost of fuel, look for this trend to accelerate.

The ones built at the city centres, they're in declining or devastated cities like Pittsburgh, Detroit, Cleveland and Baltimore, because more space is obviously available. Mostly recovered cities like New York and San Francisco have a much different problem. The Yankees wanted to go to Manhattan after thinking about New Jersey. They found that to be impossible because of political resistence. Now they want to settle at a community park across the street. I see so many similarities to Liverpool FC's plan to build a ground at Stanley Park near Anfield. How difficult that is over there because here in Europe green space are usually off-limits to development recently, at least in the UK.

So I don't know how Atlanta could have found a better location unless it's in the suburbs or somewhere between two cities.

As for the question, maybe that matchbox baseball ground in Houston. I don't know. People there complain that the distances are too short. I guess the Astros were going for a "Fenway" effect of sorts. :dunno:

The Game Is Up- Very interesting post. I never quite looked at it like that, but yeah, I see what you are saying. And it makes sense because with most of the sites you listed, including most of the new downtown parks even, all have some surface lot/parking ramps nearby that could potentially support the location of a new stadium.

Yet while I know the additional revenue from a new stadium is the main reason they are built, there are a few of the new retro stadiums in particular that really stand out to me character wise. There are ones* which I have a hard time seeing their teams building a new stadium in the city when the 30 year lease runs out. But who knows what the future holds.

*Those teams that have stadiums that I think really help define the city include:
-Pittsburgh (having the great view of downtown and the river, plus it is my favorite new park)
-San Francisco (being right on the bay, the tight cracker box feel, its just a beutiful park)
-Baltimore (Camden Yards started it all, plus the warehouse and city view and Babe Ruth thing, its all too perfect)

And to a lesser extent
-Detroit ( I cant put my finger on this one, but there is just something about the location/view and layout of Comerica)

(In many ways I view these as the future Wrigleys/Fenways. Not that those new stadiums not listed arent beautiful, just on location, design, and character... they dont seem as much of a fixture to me as those few listed above.)

I think the big retractable roof stadiums will fade first. Even Skydome in Toronto is showing some age, despite a great location. I just see that over time more problems will develop with the roofed stadiums, and their lack of quaintness will eventually spell their doom. But hey, what do I know.

Why not just design if for football, but build it in such a way that a track could be installed around the field by removing some of the seats that are closer to the football field. This could be done just for the duration of the Olympics. Then when the Olympics are over, just remove the track and put permanent seats back in. Its not that hard to do.

Not only will the Sprint Center bring back the NCAA Tourney and Big Twelve, but it was also built with the hope that they would attract an NBA or NHL franchise back to Kansas City. :grouphug:

You are just talking about early rounds of the NCAA tourney, correct? Because this new arena WILL NOT hot the Final Four. It is far too small. You need in upwards of 35,000 seats for the Final Four. I am not sure of the actual minimum number required, but a 20,000 seat arena isn't going to cut it.

You are just talking about early rounds of the NCAA tourney, correct?
:yes:

Just as Kemper Arena has done in the past.

Although had the rolling roof for the Truman Sports Complex won approval in April, Arrowhead Stadium would have been a potential site for hosting the NCAA Championship.

KC wants NHL? There are lots of teams they can have. Pick any team from California, Florida or any other southern state.
Seriously I think they will get an NBA team before they get a NHL team. Either way someone will get a beautiful arena to play in.

The project in Tulsa looks great, but if an NBA team were to move (either the SSS or the NOH), wouldn't they move to OKC, where there's been a team (interim) already?

The project in Tulsa looks great, but if an NBA team were to move (either the SSS or the NOH), wouldn't they move to OKC, where there's been a team (interim) already?
I guess you did not hear, the Sonics were recently sold to a group of people from Oklahoma City, and they have set a deadline of 12 months for the city of Seattle to work out a new arena deal or they reserve the right to move.

If they move to OKC, I do not see a team moving to Tulsa. Kansas City still has a shot at the New Orleans or Portland franchises.

KC also had high hopes of enticing the future owner of the NHL's Pittsburgh Penguins, Sam Fingold, to move to the Sprint Center, but Fingold announced today he would keep the franchise in Pittsburgh so long as a new arena deal is worked out.

The glass is a bad idea. Arenas with natural light completely lose atmosphere and don't show well on TV. There is a reason no one has done it before(in a major arena)

Doesn't the Arena in Columbus, OH have a couple of windows?

What about colleges and universities in NYC metro area ? Are any of them planning to build new facilities ?

Hello all, this is my first post and I love the site. I am a fan of stadiums especially college basketball arenas. Here are what I think are some of the best college basketball arenas in the USA. Feel free to add your own photos and thoughts. http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/basketball_hallen/hallenlisten/usa/rupp_arena/110.jpg
Rupp Arena. Lexington Ky. University of Kentucky Wildcats. Capacity 24,000
http://okstatecowboys.20m.com/images/gi-1-lg.jpg
Gallagher-Iba Arena. Oklahoma State Cowboys. Capacity 13,661
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/north_carolina/chapel_hill_smith.jpg
Dean Smith Center. North Carolina Tarheels. Capacity 21,571

Thank you for starting this thread. I was thinking of starting this one in October too.

IMO, Ghallager Iba Arena on the campus of Oklahoma State University is the most brutal place to play in America. Sure, Cameron Indoor Arena at Duke University is cool, but not nearly as noisy or raucous as GIA ... especially when the Cowboys are really good.

Oklahoma State University Cowboys
Ghallager Iba Arena
13,661


http://www.o-state.com/images/facilities/gi-outside.jpg

http://etc.lawrence.com/galleries/images/Big12Barn/hires/sportsosu1.jpg

http://o-state.com/images/facilities/exterior_view.JPG

http://www.lostinaustin.com/OSU/DSC01053.JPG

http://okstatecowboys.20m.com/images/gi-1-lg.jpg


Duke University Blue Devils
Cameron Indoor Stadium
9,314

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/9/92/Cameron_indoor.jpg

http://www.tunl.duke.edu/~kiser/family/cameron_indoor_1.jpg

http://coachkworld.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/cameronx.jpg.w560h370.jpg

http://i.xanga.com/helloZahra/cameron%20crazies.jpg


University of Texas Longhorns
Frank Erwin Center aka "The Drum"
16,837

http://www.skillschamp.com/images/erwin.jpg

http://uterwincenter.com/images/photos/exterior3.jpg

http://www.texassports.com/images/facilities/2004_05/003/erwin_and_cooley_340_40.jpg

http://www.texassports.com/images/facilities/2003_04/wbb/fec_floor_600_20.jpg

http://texassports.com/doc_lib/05_mbb_erwincenter_800x600.jpg

http://www.texassports.com/images/wbbimages/2002_03/012/fans_wbb_340_30.jpg

Texas Tech Red Raiders & Lady Raiders
United Spirit Arena
15,000

http://www.cs.ttu.edu/~sundararajan/pictures/ttu/united-spirit-arena-from-the-dorm.jpg

http://www.cs.ttu.edu/~sundararajan/pictures/ttu/Tech-bus.jpg

http://willisballet.com/United_Spirit_Arena2.jpg

http://etc.lawrence.com/galleries/images/Big12Barn/lores/sportstt1.jpg

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/text/nonsport/unitedarena/USA-inside.jpg

http://216.63.134.115/FFA/01United_Spirit_Arena300.jpg

For you longhorns:

http://images.sportsline.com/u/photos/basketball/college/img6253060.jpg

This Sun Devil will do something I shouldn't:

McKale Center
University of Arizona
Tucson, Arizona
Approximate Capacity: 10,000
http://www.coasttocoasttickets.com/images/McKaleMemorialCenterBasketball_pic.jpg
http://mishami.image.pbase.com/u24/arun_uk/large/14591254.P1050016.jpg

Baylor University Bears
Ferrel Center
10,550

http://www.baylor.edu/ferrell_center/images/front4.jpg

http://etc.lawrence.com/galleries/images/Big12Barn/lores/sportsferrell.jpg

http://www.baylor.edu/content/imglib/7725.jpg

http://etc.lawrence.com/galleries/images/Big12Barn/lores/sportsferrell1.jpg

University of Oklahoma Sooners
Lloyd Noble Center
11,528

http://graphics.fansonly.com/confs/big12/graphics/lloyd-noble-600w.jpg

http://etc.lawrence.com/galleries/images/Big12Barn/hires/sportsou.jpg

Texas A&M Uniniversity Aggies
Reed Arena
12,500

http://etc.lawrence.com/galleries/images/Big12Barn/hires/AM-reedbuilding.jpg

http://www.aggieathletics.com/sports/facilities/images2004/full/reedarena.jpg

For you longhorns:

http://images.sportsline.com/u/photos/basketball/college/img6253060.jpg

TJ!

University of Alabama Crimson Tide
Coleman Colliseum
14619
http://origin.xosn.com/fls/8000/images/colemanoutside.jpg
http://origin.xosn.com/fls/8000/images/colmaninside460_304.jpg

University of Kansas Jayhawks
Allen Fieldhouse
16,300

http://etc.lawrence.com/galleries/images/Big12Barn/hires/sportsfieldhouse.jpg

http://raiderroundball.com/0205/allen1.jpg

http://www.ljworld.com/photos/2002/07/21/sportsAllenFieldHouse.jpg


Kansas State University Wildcats
Fred Bramlage Coliseum
13,500

http://etc.lawrence.com/galleries/images/Big12Barn/hires/sportsbramledge2.jpg

http://etc.lawrence.com/galleries/images/Big12Barn/hires/sportsbramlage.jpg


University of Nebraska Cornhuskers
Bob Devaney Sports Center
13,500

http://etc.lawrence.com/galleries/images/Big12Barn/hires/sportsdevaney1.jpg

http://etc.lawrence.com/galleries/images/Big12Barn/hires/sportsdevaney.jpg


University of Missouri Tigers
Mizzou Arena
15,061

http://etc.lawrence.com/galleries/images/Big12Barn/hires/sportsmu1.jpg

http://etc.lawrence.com/galleries/images/Big12Barn/hires/sportsmu.jpg


University of Colorado Buffaloes
Coors Events Center
11,064

http://etc.lawrence.com/galleries/images/Big12Barn/hires/sportscoors.jpg

http://etc.lawrence.com/galleries/images/Big12Barn/hires/sportstexas.jpg


Iowa State University Cyclones
James H. Hilton Coliseum
14,092

http://etc.lawrence.com/galleries/images/Big12Barn/hires/sportshilton1.jpg

http://etc.lawrence.com/galleries/images/Big12Barn/hires/sportshilton2.jpg

Really enjoyed looking at those pics. It's hard to gather college arena info from Australia so thanks.

This is one of the more unique arenas.
http://www.iub.edu/tour/cvrsimg/trasmbh.jpg http://www.opt.indiana.edu/tours/spring/photos/assmhall.jpg
Assembly Hall. Indiana University Hoosiers. 17,000
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/ohio/columbus_value_city2.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/ohio/columbus_value_city1.jpg
Value City Arena/Schottenstein Center. Ohio State Buckeyes. Columbus Ohio. 17,500 hockey, 19,500 basketball

Can someone explain to me why the Columbus Blue Jackets built their own arena when the Schottenstein Center looked perfectly suitable from a foreigners point of view?
I guess I have the same question as to why the North Stars moved to Dallas instead of the Target center but that's a bit off topic.

Nationwide Arena was built mainly for the addition of luxury boxes. It is also in an area of downtown in need of an economic boost. Value City arena, while nice, doesn't have the number of luxury boxes that an NHL arena needed.

You forgot the Shrine of College Basketball, Pauley Pavillion, Home of the 11 time NCAA Champion UCLA Bruins!


http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/los_angeles_pauley.jpg


and here is one of the Long Beach Pyramid, home of the Cal State Long Beach Dirtbags...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/pyramid1.jpg

u guys are lucky to have all of your stadiums replaced (yankees,mets,jets/giants,redbull,nets,devils,knicks/rangers). only in new york. the population base and the money. just don't understand why your team owners have to reply on assisstance from the local government. ppl like george steinbrunner can afford to take a hit of $50+ million in luxury taxes for going over the baseball cap with yankees payroll ($200+million) and still need a handout? jays are not doing that bad considering we spent around $80 million. hope u guys are ready for your tax increases.

:scouserd:

9 page article on the Atlantic Yards project :
http://newyorkmetro.com/news/features/18862/index.html

What about the Staten Island NASCAR stadium? I read that, if built, it would be the largest stadium in NYC and NYS. Even though it's taking a long time, it's still pretty damn possible that it will be built.

http://www.nynewsday.com/media/photo/2005-06/17824365.jpg

http://www.bigapplesoccer.com/article.php?article_id=6664
New rendering of Red Bull Park !!! ( click on the link )
Very Euro looking stadium, with all the seats covered, two tiers all around and looks much bigger than it really is ( 25.000 ).

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6696/party1ci.gif

:cheers: FINALLY a good (euro style) stadium in MLS..

Here's the render
http://www.mlsnet.com/images/2006/08/11/XJFoOv9S.jpg

The only soccer stadium that could rival Red Bull Park is going to be the new stadium in Washington,DC :
http://dcunited.mlsnet.com/MLS/dcu/stadium/poplar_point/

Ebola where can a guy get more info on the nascar facility? Let me guess a 1.5 mile oval, ala Texas, Chicago, etc.

Ebola where can a guy get more info on the nascar facility? Let me guess a 1.5 mile oval, ala Texas, Chicago, etc.
Official Website: Race To New York (http://www.racetonewyork.com/) :yes:

lol new york red balls

Looks like the ACC institution in Winston-Salem, North Carolina wants some luxury features at it's football stadium. Here's the photos:

http://graphics.fansonly.com/schools/wake/graphics/footbl-stadium/wf-fb-project-release-1.jpg
http://graphics.fansonly.com/schools/wake/graphics/footbl-stadium/wf-fb-project-release-2.jpg
http://graphics.fansonly.com/schools/wake/graphics/footbl-stadium/wf-fb-project-release-3.jpg
http://graphics.fansonly.com/schools/wake/graphics/footbl-stadium/model-pic-9-800.jpg
http://graphics.fansonly.com/schools/wake/graphics/footbl-stadium/model-pic-3-800.jpg

I think it's a nice feature. What about you?

Nice feature to the stadium, but I hate all this neo-retro build style bollocks. Every era should have it's own definition in archetecture and features like this seem to stand in the way of ours. I can also see the stadium side, at least from the way it looks in impressions above, looking like an early 80s office block in 20 years.

Neil: I don't know about WF, but some universities have specific requirements on architectural style when there is a new campus addition----just for the sake of uniformity. For example here are some buildings on my campus:

Old Building:

http://www.fpc.ttu.edu/images/proj_pics/std/289_1.jpg

New Buildings:

http://www.fpc.ttu.edu/images/proj_pics/std/267_3.jpg

http://www.fpc.ttu.edu/images/proj_pics/std/328_1.jpg

http://www.fpc.ttu.edu/images/proj_pics/std/298_2.jpg

http://www.fpc.ttu.edu/images/tourpics/std/8_24.jpg

No, I gather that, just that I've always more thought along the lines of, "If you're going to do something modern, at least make it definable." For example, my old uni in Hull, England added onto old buildings and at least accepted that something old would never really fit. By keeping the scale of the other buildings, however, they've added a distinctly impressive modern structure into it. I can't find a postable picture, so follow the link and you'll see what I mean.

http://www.hull.ac.uk/hubs/

I dunno, it's just this proto-retro stuff is something that seems alien to me. It's probably something to do with the new part added to the National Gallery in London. Look at the far end. It just looks so crap and modern and is obviously a modern addition. Again, if you're going to do something modern, at least do it properly modern. Not doing so, as far as I see it, is not a preservation of history.

http://images.opentopia.com/enc/99/98616/National.gallery.london.arp.750pix.jpg

(look at the roof, for example, on the far left)

I see....Sort of like Sir Norman Foster's Kuppel Dome on the Reichstag parliament building:

http://www.berlin-motive.de/berlin/Sehenswuerdigkeiten/Regierungsviertel/Reichstag/500/reichstag01.jpg

Or the addition to the Pennsylvania Station in New York

http://www.visionunion.com/admin/data/file/img/20050916/20050916000501.jpg

http://www.visionunion.com/admin/data/file/img/20050916/20050916000504.jpg

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9G_Rtq68eBEmF8A4_2jzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m

I am actually a big fan of this fusing to new with the old. I just don't think it is popular here as it is in Europe (I could be wrong). I can def say it's not really popular here in West Texas. I'm sure we will see more examples here as time progresses :)

BTW NielF, Stunning campus!

Looking good. I dont care what they say, I dig that stadium. College stadiums shouldnt be all futuristic looking in my opinion.

I see....Sort of like Sir Norman Foster's Kuppel Dome on the Reichstag parliament building

The Reichstag is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about. Not just the dome, but the entirity of the inside follows the modern pattern, and it works amazingly. The same should be said about the pyramid at La Louvre, despite the fact that it's a hideously over-used example.

In Edinburgh, where I live now, there's also a few old/new mixes that work fantastically well, both in addition to existing buildings and, especially, with modern work right in the heart of the old town - the stuff in Fish Market Close, for example;

http://www.cottageguide.co.uk/edinlet/3852a.jpg

Distinctly modern buildings that work, because they keep to the scale of the surrounding area. As far as I see it, that's where people go wrong. If you built a 40 story neo-gothic builiding in, say, the old town of Prague, it would look hideous because it would be so out of place, yet Gherey's Dancing Building, a modern anomoly (for lack of a better word) fits in perfectly with the city scape. I think that's something people don't realise - as long as things are kept to locality scales, they will work, no matter how big the old - modern mix is.

I don't really know if Europe is more open to these things than the US or not. The hideous addition to the National Gallery was put there because of public opposition, lead by Prince Charles. The initial plan was for a modern, glass and steel structure, that looked, in all ways, an entirely seperate building and it worked so much better like that.

ReddAlert - can I ask you for more details as to why you feel like that? As far as I've seen it (not to suggest I'm right, I'm just looking for more to your opinion), colleges / universities, in most cases, are historical institutions that should evolve with time, and I think the campus is just a part of that. Take, again, the example I gave of my own university in Hull - the university, as a university, is about 75 years old, but some of the buildings are older, due to previous uses as Northern English faculties of UCL - the campus there reflects the history of the university, from it's days as a part of UCL right up to the present time.

The campus itself is a sort of time line through the expansion of the university. There are 100+ year old buildings, 75 year old buildings, 50 year old buildings, 25 year old buildings, current buildings and so on. While not all of it is to my particular taste, I found that campus more impressive than most of the US campuses that have buildings that are 5 years old that are only subtly distinguishable from 80 year old buildings, but are built like that to "preserve the history of the college" or something like that. Right down to stadia and sports facilities, I don't think that is the right way to look at things. Call me a Philistine if you will, but building something in 2006 to look like it's from 1906 is a complete disregard of history, rather than a preservation of it. It almost forgets that history isn't stagnant.

That and I really, really dislike new buildings made to look old. Again, to use an example from where I live, the hideous yellow brick tenements that blight parts of Edinburgh's New Town are a mess - built to old stone designs and made through current materials and methods. They really do blight what is, an otherwise beautiul town that has been built through various archetectural timescales, times and methods.

Perhaps one of the reasons for choosing a style that resembles the past could be its "timeless" appeal. What if a building built it a modern style today were to be less fashionable in the future to the point were it would be considered an eye-sore? There are many a buildings in the Bauhaus style that fit this category, not to mention a few Le Corbusier nightmares here in the US. Just a thought. Hmm…I want to say more but I have to run an errand.

I see where you're coming from, but again, I disagree with this idea that old buildings are timeless or beautiful. Belfast City Hall, for example, is a hideously overdone building that has, unfortunately, had an effect on the surrounding buildings. Compare it to another, indeed, older building from Belfast (R.B.A.I. - a school) that is built true to the archetectural heritage of Belfast, before it was built to look like Glasgow - and there's little comparison. Old does not necessarily mean timeless or beautiful, and I would apply that criteria to a lot of proto-retro buildings I see around me. They are over done, distinguishably modern and, honestly, no patch on the originals and, ultimately, very ugly, or at best, lacking in aesthetic pleasure. This tendancy to, archetecturally, over-do things, like in Belfast City Hall (which at least has the excuse of being 100 years old) is not keeping to timelessness.

Belfast City Hall:

http://www.geocities.com/nigat_uk/BelfastCityHall.jpg

R.B.A.I.

http://rbailibrary.co.uk/rbai_mambo/images/zoom/WTVMPM/tsunami_appeal_01.JPG

(sorry for all the hilariously stupid school boys)

I think a line has to be drawn somewhere - both in terms of what "timeless" is and the idea that not all old and old style buildings look good. The fact is that timeless is pretty much subjective, and while I can't imagine much of the 60s - 80s buildings in the UK becoming "timeless", but then, how many Baroque buildings, for example, become timless? Or Georgian buildings? It is only the buildings that remain that we see as timeless. On many occassions, older buildings have been left to fall down, and timeless is what remains. I'd say the same can be said for now - while 60s - 80s office blocks may not be timeless, they are being eaten by concrete cancer and will eventually be replaced, no doubt with something equally as worthless, that only aims to maximise space and minimise cost. But the same can be said all through archetecturally history - that not worth preserving falls by the wayside and what is left becomes timeless.

Timeless, the way I see it, isn't about "age" it is about the fact that the building itself is worth preserving. Many modern buildings achieve that in a way that many older buildings don't. While I accept that timelessness takes time, that's no excuse to disregard modernity as timeless, or to apply timelesness to anything that is old. While it's easy to say that some modern buildings are hideous, the same can be said of buildings that are 150 years old. It all just depends on the way they are made.

Similarly, there are old style buildings that don't look timeless, especially because of how they are made / what they are made from, and a subtlty is created in the whole building process that means that modern-builds are not timeless, but just look like Las Vegas and a blatant disregard of modern archetectural history. The National Gallery is literally the perfect example of this - the guy who built it believed that Las Vegas was archetecturally important for that very reason.

I aim this point more at universities, which in many cases, should aim to be innovators in many areas. I don't see why this shouldn't be reflected in campuses.

Does anybody have any rendering of the new $1 billion dollar Yankee Stadium?? Its supposed to seat around 57,000 people.

1 billion huh? That's a lot!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/da/Newyankeestadium.jpg

construction just started yesterday. :cheers:

If there is a thread about this I cant find it. So if there is could somebody point me the way. But if not Id like to talk about it cause its under construction and will be the new home of the Indianapolis Colts.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=207888

I hate this ballpark!!!

























...and the Yankees

Its supposed to seat around 57,000 people.

I think its more like 50,000. It will seat less than the old Yankee Stadium but have more luxury boxes, etc.

I hate the Yankees too!!

That traffic jam is not to scale

I hate the Yankees too!!

same here also the red soxs

this is what i think of the yankees and red sox :puke:

Kansas City's new teams are:

Kansas City Dream On (NHL)
Kansas City Never Gonna Happen (NBA)

:scouserd:

Kansas City has a lot of passionate fans, and they want either an NBA or NHL team to come in. Some want both, but I don't think that will happen.

Yes, they had the Scouts, but the Scouts were an expansion team, and we're the second worst team in the league when they moved here. If teams can give the fans to cheer about in the begining, they will support the team for the long run.

In all honesty, the city is pretty much split and a hockey or basketball team. I'd much perfer an NHL team, but that's because I hate the NBA. But if the NBA, I'd probably go to a few games a year.


Hey things do change. Toronto had one of the first teams in the NBA in 1946. The first ever game was at Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto between the NBA Toronto Huskies and New York Knicks. The Toronto franchise only lasted a season or two before folding. But in 95, the NBA returned to Toronto 50 years later with the Toronto Raptors. The city is in love with them and have supported them since day 1. Kansas may just have a chance now since a new era, the Kansas City Scouts are a thing of the past.

Pity Americans ain't into cricket. Yankee stadium would be called the New York Cricket Ground.

There is another thread about this stadium, and it has alot more info about the new Yankee stadium. Personaly I like the old stadium best, but that's prob. sentimental stuff. Can't they adjust the old one?
But let's discuss it on the other thread, makes life easier!

Ive seen the rendering for this arena quite a while ago here. I actually thought that its finished by now.
anyways: The arena looks fantastic.

The glass is a bad idea. Arenas with natural light completely lose atmosphere and don't show well on TV. There is a reason no one has done it before(in a major arena)

Put some blinds over them then. Cant be so difficult

How did I miss this thread about my Alma mater? This is consistent with all the buildings on the campus, the brick is everywhere. This is a picture of the administration building, Reynolda hall, the Copper roof, brick, and columns are everywhere. Now, groves is not on campus, but it is owned by Wake Forest and should be reflective of the campus. And I have to say the new rennovations are awesome, we've added more brick, added field turf and this is just the next phase. This is a big deal and hopefully this step up in terms of facilities will be accompanied by more success on the field.
http://www.wfu.edu/creative/photos/web-res-files/facilities/reynolda-hall.jpg

Pity Americans ain't into cricket. Yankee stadium would be called the New York Cricket Ground.

Thank god...

I hate the Yankees too :rock:

1) Theres a thread already open about the new Yankee Stadium
2) There will be NO team wars on the forum

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/444931p-374708c.html
Move Madison Square Garden west? No.

Not so fast. It's best to calmly weigh the options & choose the best course

BY KENT BARWICK

Those eager to move Madison Square Garden into the annex of the Farley post office should look before they leap.

The late Sen. Pat Moynihan believed America is the land of second chances. He saw the opportunity to build a new Penn Station in the landmark James A. Farley General Post Office across Eighth Ave. from the current "stygian chamber" (hell hole) of a station as New York's golden opportunity to redeem itself for tearing down the original Pennsylvania Station. He persuaded Congress to allocate millions of dollars in funding so that New York would regain a grand gateway with room to grow.

More than eight years have passed since President Clinton, Gov. Pataki and the senator stood in the monumental post office to announce that work would start soon. Now, we have a new delay: Developers have an even bigger idea.

They would build a new Madison Square Garden in the west end of the post office, demolish the current Garden and construct a huge commercial office complex with an upgraded Penn Station underneath.

The complex real estate play envisioned by the developers - Vornado and Related - is a big, bold New York-scale idea in the tradition of the Vanderbilts' Grand Central City or the Rockefellers' Rockefeller Center. But serious dangers are apparent.

Who will guarantee us a grand new train station? What will prevent the Garden from papering over the post office building's great Corinthian columns with jumbo advertising? Can a train hall also be a lobby for the Knicks? And: Who will be in charge?

Generations ago, the Vanderbilts and the Rockefellers were risking their own money. As we contemplate fundamentally altering the plans for Moynihan Station, our tax dollars are at stake. We have to ensure this is a contract with the .future that will not be compromised by a commercial real estate deal.

The fate of Moynihan Station, MSG and the Farley Post Office must not be determined by a cacophony of competing private interests.

A responsible public authority should sort out the project, set high standards for architecture and supervise construction. We can hope that a new governor can provide enlightened leadership. Otherwise, the entropy and confusion of interests that bedevil so many of our public-private partnerships could sink this golden second chance.

Barwick is president of the Municipal Art Society.

Originally published on August 19, 2006

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/444926p-374706c.html
Move Madison Square Garden west? Yes.

Putting MSG in post office annex will allow Penn Station to shine

BY SCOTT STRINGER

We should move Madison Square Garden to create an iconic gateway to our city.

Here's why: Penn Station, the country's busiest rail station, is deeply flawed. Built to accommodate 100,000 travelers, it now packs in over half a million every day. Its cramped platforms limit how many trains can enter and leave the station, making delays inevitable. Esthetically, it is an unsightly, underground strip mall submerged beneath a sports arena.

Penn Station begs for a makeover, and we can only build a new one if we move MSG. With the Garden relocated, we could create a soaring, light-filled new station, with well-designed platforms and waiting areas that would enhance Manhattan's mass transit capacity and get cars off our overcrowded streets.

Our transportation troubles would be only slightly mitigated by New York State's current plan to build a train station in the current James A. Farley General Post Office building on Eighth Ave. between 31st and 33rd Sts. That new station would host New Jersey Transit, but not Amtrak or the LIRR, meaning 80% of commuters would continue to use Penn Station. We must reckon with our transportation problems head-on by building a new Penn Station.

Relocating MSG would also enable new economic development on its current site. New construction would create thousands of jobs; a depressing stretch of Eighth Ave. would get a welcome face-lift; and tens of millions of dollars in new tax revenue and secondary economic impacts would be generated.

The only proposed new location for the Garden is the underutilized Farley annex - the large, connected building just west of the Farley Post Office. While we have to be careful that MSG does not dominate the Farley building's historic Eighth Ave. frontage or encroach on its public spaces, an open, collaborative design and review process can resolve these and other issues.

Time is short. If the Garden does not occupy the Farley annex, big-box retail will. And if the Garden stays put, its owners will invest in onsite renovation and doom New Yorkers to the current Penn Station for generations to come.

We have the chance to cure the chronic failings of Penn Station and grace the city with the majestic and enduring gateway we have lacked since the original Penn Station was destroyed in 1964. Let's prepare New York for a promising, unparalleled future.

Stringer is Manhattan borough president.

Originally published on August 19, 2006

Yankees - u/c
Mets - u/c
Jets - :ohno:
Giants - :ohno:
Nets - Brooklyn 09
Devils - u/c
Rangers - HOPEFULLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Knicks - HOPEFULLY!!!!!!!!!!!

^^ Why " :ohno: " for New Meadowlands Stadium? :?

Don't mention it. ;)

I just thought it was really awesome how huge of renewal this is for the "big four" sports in the New York City area, which makes sense since all the venues they're replacing went up [or in the case of Yankee Stadium, heavily renovated] in the 1960s and 70s. Time to do it all again!



wow good point

I didnt realize how all the major sports stadiums are being completely redeveloped all at once. I think im most excited about the Mets ball park (im a Mets fan), I was disappointed that the Jets didnt get the stadium in Manhattan, it would of been so interesting. The Nets movement to Brooklyn will be really cool to, Brooklyn will have its own franchise.

Also I like the NY Red Bull's stadium even though their name change is awful, its alot better then playing at Giant's stadium!

I was disappointed that the Jets didnt get the stadium in Manhattan, it would of been so interesting.
Yes I do not like the idea of two NFL teams sharing the same stadium. Maybe the Jets can move into old Shea when the Mets are done with it.

:jk:

What about the Staten Island NASCAR stadium? I read that, if built, it would be the largest stadium in NYC and NYS. Even though it's taking a long time, it's still pretty damn possible that it will be built.

http://www.nynewsday.com/media/photo/2005-06/17824365.jpg

This is the last thing that NYC needs. Though a street race for CART Champcars in Manhattan would be awesome.

Yes I do not like the idea of two NFL teams sharing the same stadium. Maybe the Jets can move into old Shea when the Mets are done with it.

:jk:

Two seperate stadiums for NFL teams in the same city is an absolute waste of EVERYONE's money considering the amount of games played per team. And I don't give a crap about a possible superbowl. It's all overy-hyped crap anyway.

^^ They are going to "waste" your money/taxdollars one way or another, why not on a second pretty stadium? :yes:

I was over at Youtube.com. I was looking at college football videos, when I stumble on this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm5TEEbnuCA

What's odd is the goal post. Instead of one vertical post holding it up, there's two. Have any other stadium have this feature?

Interesting. I have seen similar shaped posts up here in Canada but only on a highschool or junior level.

I actually think the school i went to when i was younger had one like this. I dont remember, though, I was in 2nd grade (but the school went up to 12th)

Nets - Brooklyn 09
It is now said that the Nets will remain in the Meadowlands until 2012 after the slow process that has been going on.

Hmm. Yeah, that usually something that high schools or rec fields use so that it can double as a soccer goal.

^^ Source please?

^^ They are going to "waste" your money/taxdollars one way or another, why not on a second pretty stadium? :yes:

New York will not allow a publicly financed sports facility and it's difficult to convince people in Manhattan that they need it. So the Jets stadium was being sold as a new convention center to offset the limitations of the Javitts Center, but the Dolans opposed it because they want MSG to be New York's premier convention venue. The problem with all this is that people in Manhattan hate conventions (see Republican National Convention, 2004), and they positively hate their space used for sports arenas, never mind being asked to pay for them. Queens and the Bronx, and possibly Brooklyn have the space, Manhattan doesn't, and frankly, I'd rather see Trump take over the whole West side if it's used for housing.

I think the Florida State Seminoles have similar goal posts.

What about colleges and universities in NYC metro area ? Are any of them planning to build new facilities ?The two closest big football programs are probably Rutgers and University of Connecticut, and they both aren't building anything soon. Rutgers redid their stadium in 1994, for the first time since 1900 or so. And UConn opened their new Hartford stadium, Rentschler Field, in 2003.

Basketball-wise, they are both in outdated arenas but I don't know that much will change there. No money for major changes. Only thing that could happen would be for one of the other local basketball teams to play in one of the new arenas they are building.

so actualy nothing happened in the video and this thread is realy about a (strange) goalpost?!!!! Get a live !!!!

It's sad that the NYC Metro region will be building 8 new arena/stadiums in the same 4 year time period.

#1 - NFL stadium in the Meadowlands, NJ
#2 - MLS stadium in Harrison, NJ
#3 - NHL arena in Newark, NJ
#4 - NBA arena in Brooklyn, NY
#5 - NHL arena in Uniondale, NY
#6 - MLB stadium in Queens, NY
#7 - MLB stadium in Bronx, NY
#8 - NBA/NHL arena in Manhattan, NY

Is all this really necessary ??

#1 is not necessary
#2 is necessary
#3 is already happening
#4 is not necessary in the current location
#5 only needs some rennovations
#6 might be necessary
#7 only needs rennovations
#8 only needs minor rennovations

^^ Do you not follow professional sports? I'm not questioning your logic of replacing a perfectly good building, but such things have nothing to do with why these new facilities are being built/proposed. :yes:

It's sad that the NYC Metro region will be building 8 new arena/stadiums in the same 4 year time period.

#1 - NFL stadium in the Meadowlands, NJ
#2 - MLS stadium in Harrison, NJ
#3 - NHL arena in Newark, NJ
#4 - NBA arena in Brooklyn, NY
#5 - NHL arena in Uniondale, NY
#6 - MLB stadium in Queens, NY
#7 - MLB stadium in Bronx, NY
#8 - NBA/NHL arena in Manhattan, NY

Is all this really necessary ??

#1 is not necessary
#2 is necessary
#3 is already happening
#4 is not necessary in the current location
#5 only needs some rennovations
#6 might be necessary
#7 only needs rennovations
#8 only needs minor rennovations


lol the Mets desperately need a new ballpark. Shea is one of the oldest in the majors, and not old in a good way like Fenway or Wrigely, but rather in a bad way. Although it does have a enormous Apple that pops out of a top hat.

I like this stadium a lot, looks very european...Build it

http://www.mlsnet.com/images/2006/08/11/XJFoOv9S.jpg

Post a few photos of your city's minor league baseball stadium.

^^ Do you not follow professional sports? I'm not questioning your logic of replacing a perfectly good building, but such things have nothing to do with why these new facilities are being built/proposed. :yes:

Yes, sadly I do follow the business of modern pro sports as well as the fan aspect of modern pro sports. I understand why this stuff is done, but I also like to point at from a fan perspective what doesn't need to be done.

I like this stadium a lot, looks very european...Build it

http://www.mlsnet.com/images/2006/08/11/XJFoOv9S.jpg

Absolutely..... it's maybe the only new stadium being built in the NYC area that has any charm or intimacy to it that's not completely destroyed by coporate $.

The Knicks and Rangers need a new home. the end.

Montgomery Riverwalk Stadium
Montgomery, Alabama
4500 fixed seats, 7400 capacity
home of the Montgomery Biscuits of the AA Southern League in the Tampa Bay organization.
Hosted the 2006 Southern League All-Star game.

http://www.knology.net/~unlmtd/stadium/StadiumRiverfrontz.jpg
http://www.knology.net/~unlmtd/stadium/04.jpg
http://www.biscuitsbaseball.com/images/stadium/overhead2.jpg
http://www.baseballparks.com/Images/Montgomery/Mont-1.jpg
http://www.ballparkreviews.com/montgom/riverw4.jpg
http://www.ballparkreviews.com/montgom/riverw.jpg

Indianapolis - Victory Field (Capacity: 15,500)

http://imaps.indygov.org/ed_portal/images/why/victory_field2.jpg

http://www.indy.org/library/2004Docs/Dec/7011085/victoryfield02.jpg

http://www.ballparkreviews.com/indy/victory2.jpg

Whataburger Field - Corpus Christi,TX

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5695/whatkr1.jpg

cool location but...Whataburger Field? Thats almost as bad as Taco Bell Arena.

Lake Elsinore Diamond - Lake Elsinore Storm - A ball
6,066 fixed seats, 8000 capacity
http://www.stormbaseball.com/Images3/top%20graphic%20new.jpg

http://www.stormbaseball.com/Images3/stadium%20pic2.jpg

http://www.stormbaseball.com/Images3/stadium%20pic3.jpg

http://www.stormbaseball.com/Images3/stadium%20pic1.jpg

Rancho Cucamonga Quakes - The Epicenter
6,200 seat capacity
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/images/clubheaderlogos/t526_logo_lg.gif

http://rcquakes.com.ismmedia.com/ISM2/Stadium%20Pic2.jpg

http://rcquakes.com.ismmedia.com/ISM2//stadium%20pics/front.jpg

http://rcquakes.com.ismmedia.com/ISM2//stadium%20pics/field1.jpg

Inland Empire 66ers - Arrowhead Credit Union Stadium
5,000 seat capacity
http://www.ie66ers.com/images/red/top800.jpg

http://athletics.csusb.edu/images/facilities/facilities-arrowheadpark1.jpg

http://images.google.com/url?q=http://mysite.verizon.net/charliesballparks/stadiums/ph/sbern2.jpg&sig=__52oEOEOaU3l4yTrIFub-AmFgVqU=

http://mysite.verizon.net/charliesballparks/stadiums/ph/sbern3.jpg

Lancaster Jethawks - Clear Channel Stadium
6860 capacity
http://www.jethawksboosterclub.com/main_files/JetHawksnewlogo.gif

http://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/8705/1d/images.tickets.com/images/privatelabel/clear_channel_stadium_pic.jpg

http://www.jethawks.com/images/header3.jpg

http://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/8705/1d/images.tickets.com/images/privatelabel/ClearChannelStadium_large.gif

And the last of the A Ball California League South Division stadiums

High Desert Mavericks - Stater Bros. Stadium
3,808 seat capacity

http://www.brandsoftheworld.com/brands/0005/8334/brand.gif

http://www.minorleagueballparks.com/images/big/mav99.jpg

https://www.ticketreturn.com/prod2/TRImages/High%20Desert%20Mavericks.jpg

^^ Source please?
July 7, 2006
Nets may sign an extension

NY Newsday
By Neil Best

The Nets, whose lease at Continental Airlines Arena is to expire after the 2007-08 season, are discussing an extension through 2011-12 with the New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority, a person familiar with the talks said.

A spokesman for the team declined to comment on the status of lease negotiations.

The deal being discussed, which could be announced within the next week or so, would include escape clauses if the Nets' proposed downtown Brooklyn arena is completed before then.

the Lancaster Jethawks have an awesome logo.

Closest to Miami: Roger Dean Stadium in Jupiter FL (near Palm Beach). Home to the Class A (Florida State League) Jupiter Hammerheads and spring training for the Florida Marlins:
Capacity: 7,000

http://rogerdeanstadium.com.ismmedia.com/ISM2/AdSpotManager/520.gif

http://rogerdeanstadium.com.ismmedia.com/ISM2/NewsManager/1152.jpeg.300.jpeg

http://rogerdeanstadium.com.ismmedia.com/ISM2//Pictures/helicopter%20stadium%20view.jpg

http://rogerdeanstadium.com.ismmedia.com/ISM2//Pictures/crowd1.JPG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_Arena

The Pit in Albuquerque is no doubt the best arena of all the 'mid-majors'. It just doesn't get better than 18,000 screaming New Mexicans in an arena that looks like it would seat about 10,000. The game two years ago against Utah, when Utah was on an 18-game winning streak, was the loudest arena I've ever been in. But since The Pit is in New Mexico, almost nobody knows about it.

The Knicks and Rangers need a new home. the end.

No, they don't... But would you care to explain why you think they need a new MSG V ?

The Knicks, Liberty, and Rangers are fine where they are playing right now. I know that when I made a thread on MSG IV a while back, there were a number a of constant remarks of saying that it took away the stationhouse of Penn Station. I will not argue that it took something away, but that wasn't a landgrab, it was a buyout. Pennsylvaina RR was facing bankruptcy around that time, and sold it to the highest bidder, which happened to be the owner of MSG. About a decade ago, Mike Dolan, the owner at the time, was thinking about relocating MSG over the Hudson Yds, where the Westside Stadium would have gone, but decided to rennovate the place instead, which was the best idea. Even if a new stationhouse would be built there, it wouldn't erase the fact that the original was razed. I like the current one anyway, though it would be nice if the MTA put a free tranfer between the 7th and 8th Ave lines there in which you will have to pay again unlike at 42nd St-Times Sq.

cool location but...Whataburger Field? Thats almost as bad as Taco Bell Arena.

Whataburger began in Corpus.

Go Biscuits!!! :D

loved all

Whataburger began in Corpus.

I was gonna post the same thing.....

but anyway here is Dr Pepper/7-up (Dr Pepper HQ is located here) Frisco Roughriders stadium

http://www.baseballpilgrimages.com/AA/frisco1.jpg
http://www.retiredcameras.com/digitalpics/roughriders/rr3.JPG
http://www.titans101.com/friscobp.jpg
http://www.baseballroadtrip.net/AA/Texas/frisco/images/PICT0007.jpg

The Dell Diamond, Home of the Round Rock Express, AAA Pacific Coast League affiliate of the Houston Astros.
http://www.ballparkwatch.com/images/round_rock/IMGP1659.jpg
http://www.ballparkwatch.com/images/round_rock/IMGP1677.jpg
http://www.ballparkwatch.com/images/round_rock/IMGP1668.jpg
http://www.ballparkwatch.com/images/round_rock/IMGP1669.jpg

Dr Pepper/7-up Field is without a doubt in my mind the most innovative field in the minors today.

Unfortunately, it just doesn't look like it belongs in Central Texas, the architecture fits Florida or the Carolina coast much more.

^^ it is in North Texas(DFW)

Since I'm originally from Ottawa, Lynx Stadium:

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/kanada/lynx_stadium/110.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/kanada/lynx_stadium/120.jpg

http://www.thesportsroadtrip.com/ottawa051.jpg

http://www.ballparkreviews.com/ottawa/ottawa.jpg

http://www.sportslogos.net/images/Baseball/IL/OTT_4532.gif

There are several minor league ballparks in the NY metro area.

Keyspan Park (Brooklyn Cyclones)
http://mysite.verizon.net/charliesballparks/stadiums/ph/keyspan1.jpg

Richmond County Bank Ballpark (SI Yankees)
http://www.digitalballparks.com/NYPenn/SIYanks_-_Outside_V2T.jpg

Ductchess Stadium (Hudson Valley Renegades)
http://mysite.verizon.net/charliesballparks/stadiums/ph/dutches1.jpg

Senator Thomas J Dodd Memorial Stadium (Norwich Navigators)
http://www.small-parks.com/Dodd5.JPG

CanWest Global Park in Winnipeg:

http://www.goldeyes.com/04Wallpaper/BallparkBig.JPG

http://mysite.verizon.net/charliesballparks/stadiums/ph/canwest1.jpg

http://mysite.verizon.net/charliesballparks/stadiums/ph/canwest2.jpg

http://www.globalairphotos.com/images/mb/winnipeg/2003/wgs2003_241.jpg

Am I the only one keeping this thread alive?

Foothills Stadium

http://www.calgaryvipers.com/images/calvipers_0215_sec.jpg

http://mysite.verizon.net/charliesballparks/stadiums/ph/calgary1.jpg

http://mysite.verizon.net/charliesballparks/stadiums/ph/calgary2.jpg

http://mysite.verizon.net/charliesballparks/stadiums/ph/calgary3.jpg

State College, PA

http://www.statecollegespikes.com/images/top.jpg

http://statecollegespikes.com.ismmedia.com/ISM2/NewRendering.jpg

http://statecollegespikes.com.ismmedia.com/ISM2/MultimediaManager/720.jpeg

http://statecollegespikes.com.ismmedia.com/ISM2/MultimediaManager/731.jpeg

http://statecollegespikes.com.ismmedia.com/ISM2/MultimediaManager/732.jpeg

http://statecollegespikes.com.ismmedia.com/ISM2/MultimediaManager/651.jpeg

http://statecollegespikes.com.ismmedia.com/ISM2/MultimediaManager/656.jpeg

http://statecollegespikes.com.ismmedia.com/ISM2/MultimediaManager/635.jpeg

http://statecollegespikes.com.ismmedia.com/ISM2/MultimediaManager/646.jpeg

Here's the link:

Indiana University renovating Memorial Stadium, other facilities (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060921/SPORTS0601/609210411/1069/SPORTS0601)

Here's the photos of the expanded Memorial Stadium:

http://cmsimg.indystar.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Avis=BG&Dato=20060921&Kategori=MULTIMEDIA01&Lopenr=609220801&Ref=PH&Item=2&MaxW=500&MaxH=400&Q=80

http://cmsimg.indystar.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Avis=BG&Dato=20060921&Kategori=MULTIMEDIA01&Lopenr=609220801&Ref=PH&Item=3&MaxW=500&MaxH=400&Q=80

Here's a photo of the proposed new baseball and softball stadia:

http://cmsimg.indystar.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Avis=BG&Dato=20060921&Kategori=MULTIMEDIA01&Lopenr=609220801&Ref=PH&Item=5&MaxW=500&MaxH=400&Q=80

And the thing that could scare Hoosier fans; Assembely Hall, the basketball arena could be replaced:

New Basketball Arena possible (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060921/SPORTS0601/609210425&theme=)
:runaway:

That new football stadium looks great but they'll need to start drawing a lot better.

Looks like a mix of Ohio Stadium and Lane Stadium in Blacksburg, Virginia

Stadium video screen's have advance of late. Here's Nebraska's Jumbotron, provided by Mistubishi's Diamond Vision:
http://www.huskersnside.com/pics24/800/OJ/OJIUVNGFWWJQFWP.20060825213343.JPG?SPSID=181&SPID=41&DB_OEM_ID=100
Here's the picture you need to see:
http://www.huskers.com/pics/800/UQ/UQKPHAEBLQZBTMU.20060901025003.jpg?
They can put the (American) football scoreboard and stats on the video screen! The only thing they don't put is the play clock. (The double digit timer that the offense must snap the ball before it runs out.) I wonder why they don't have that on the video screen.

I wonder why they don't have that on the video screen.

probably because there would be too much other information on there to process and weed through for a QB or a coach.

See Texas' and Texas A&M's new screens for reference and for the only two bigger screens than NU's, not only in the big 12, but in the rest of College Football as well.

quality screen.

i walked round memorial stadium this summer when i was visiting my girlfriend in lincoln. it's different class, just like most american college football / NFL stadiums.

Lawrence Dumont Stadium - Wichita, Kansas

http://www.ballparkwatch.com/images/wichita/IMGP56951.jpg

http://www.ballparkreviews.com/wichita/wichita3.jpg

http://www.anchoragebucs.com/04wichstad.jpg

Koch Arena - Wichita State Shockers - Wichita, Kansas

Average attendence: 10,300+ (sellout)

http://webs.wichita.edu/gs/ckarena/arenanight2.JPG

http://webs.wichita.edu/gs/shockerwallpaper/tipoffsm.jpg

http://webs.wichita.edu/gs/ckarena/court2.JPG

http://webs.wichita.edu/gs/ckarena/1021concourse4.JPG

http://www.sportslogos.net/images/College/NCAAu-y/WicSt_7139.gif

28-10

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/img/10-06/1008utphoto.jpg


more pictures to come! :D

When the home team takes the field here in the States, it's usually a big deal. So, which one is your favorite? Here's mine, from Knoxville:

Tennessee Running Through the "T" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gw-bZWsdOY)

I like the tunnel entrances in the Texas/ou game and the Clemson entrance running down the hill.

Keep em comin:bow:

This is the Univ of Texas Longhorns entrance ... definately not the best, but Godzillatron is mesmorizing. Largest HD video screen in the world outside of a race track in Japan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNsFyCRW55I

Poooooooooooooooooor Sooooooooners! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAlgil_iyyc)

LMFAO. Spoken like a typical english git. You dont know shit outside of your little island. now go wank to your wayne rooney posters and slather your face in spot cream.

Texas-ou has more pagaentry than 99% of sporting events in the world. The best part is, its not forced, like say, the olympics ... "oooohhh, everybody's happy, its the olympics, we're the peace games, fair competition, look at the fireworks, la da da deee da!"

No, its driving up with your buddies from Austin on Friday when you should be in class (but hell, your professors are driving up too), its going out and getting fucked up at "The Across the Street Bar" in Dallas Texas, with 25 cent pitchers and talking shit to Oklahoma trash. Its waking up with your date on saturday moring in a cheap hotel, bloody-nosed and hungover, but none of that matters because you're headed to the Texas State Fair to eat funnel cake and corny dogs and every other fried delicacy in the midway while talking shit to the Sooner trash outside the Cotton Bowl. Its taking your picture underneath Big Tex, then making your way over to the team entrances to greet your team bus or throw shit at the OU bus.

Its filing into the Cotton Bowl stadium. An OLD historic dinosaur of a stadium that is split exactly 50-50 with fans down the 50 yard line, 38,000 in Orange, 38,000 in Crimson. There isnt even an aisle to divide the fans. you are rubbing sholders with the enemy halfway down your aisle should you be lucky enough to be on the dividing line.

Its the teams walking down the famed Cotton Bowl tunnel, so close that they could reach out and touch each other. Great players have thrown up in there from nerves. The Texas section sings "The Eyes of Texas" and possibly "Texas Our Texas", two heartfelt songs (much, MUCH like "You will never walk Alone" before England plays) before the hysteria begins

The Oklahoma band plays Boomer Sooner and The Texas Band playing Texas Fight, and the teams rush out of the tunnel to their respective sides. OTher songs include March of the Longhorns, March Grandioso, Wabash Cannonball, Deep in the Heart of Texas, Texas, Texas, Yee Haw, and Go Horns Go, all of which require spontaneous singing, body movements and the world famous "hook 'em horns" hand sign. There are flags, banners and posters.

Every play, 50% of the stadium is cheering. Every play. When have you heard a stadium like that? Hook em horns handsigns up, or if you are a sooner, you do the handsign upside down to show disrespect. Old grandmothers teach their young grandchildren how to flip off "TEXASS" fans. No shit, i've seen it.

Matthew McConaughey, actor, cheering on the sidelines for the horns, and Willie Nelson doing a bump of cocaine from his seats in the endzone (allegedly in the 70s). Barry Switzer, former OU and Dallas Cowboy coach getting taunted and praised from Longhorns and Sooners.

And in the end, you have that little matter of a football game. One that has been played one hundred times in a neutral site in a neutral city in a 50-50 split stadium. the smell of fair food lingers, and the prospect of celebrating your win on the town of Dallas or drowning your sorrows. Either way, you know you'll be ending up with a bloody nose and a hangover next to your date in a cheap La Quinta hotel on Sunday morning.

Does Texas have fans that give their life for their team? No, you don't. In The Netherlands, we DO. We have thousands of people who work 40 hours a week and 10 hours a week for preparation of the match on Sunday. Are Texans willing to die for their team? No, they don't. In The Netherlands, there are thousands of people rioting against other fans and riot police to defend the honour of their team. THAT is sports spirit, my man. Not waving your flag and shouting `c'mon Texas!`. Being a real diehard fan means the team is the central point in your life, you live for the team. You don't know shit about rivalries. Being rivals over here means that fans from different teams can't sit next to eachother because they would go fight eachother. Not only with fists but also with baseballbats, knifes and chains. Being rivals in USA means you go sit next to your rival and say 'your team sucks'. I would strongly advice you to go to Ajax v Feyenoord, Everton v Liverpool, AC Milan v Inter Milano, Lazio Roma v AS Roma, etc. etc. If you want to really experience soccer football rivalry and if you feel lucky, go to Argentina. Visit Boca Juniors v River Plate. I don't think you would ever call something a rivalry no more in the USA.

We had fans that died for their team. Literally.

Does Texas have fans that give their life for their team? No, you don't. In The Netherlands, we DO. We have thousands of people who work 40 hours a week and 10 hours a week for preparation of the match on Sunday. Are Texans willing to die for their team? No, they don't. In The Netherlands, there are thousands of people rioting against other fans and riot police to defend the honour of their team. THAT is sports spirit, my man. Not waving your flag and shouting `c'mon Texas!`. Being a real diehard fan means the team is the central point in your life, you live for the team. You don't know shit about rivalries. Being rivals over here means that fans from different teams can't sit next to eachother because they would go fight eachother. Not only with fists but also with baseballbats, knifes and chains. Being rivals in USA means you go sit next to your rival and say 'your team sucks'. I would strongly advice you to go to Ajax v Feyenoord, Everton v Liverpool, AC Milan v Inter Milano, Lazio Roma v AS Roma, etc. etc. If you want to really experience soccer football rivalry and if you feel lucky, go to Argentina. Visit Boca Juniors v River Plate. I don't think you would ever call something a rivalry no more in the USA.

We had fans that died for their team. Literally.


Uh. Congrats on glorifying "dying" for your team, you heathen. Sports are just a game ... certainly nothing worth dying for or killing over... grow up. To say that we don't know about rivalries is utterly stupid ... so stupid i wouldn't even know where to start about breaking down the stupidity of your post. Seriously.

Oh, and did it take you a full year to figure out a retort to that post? It been up for since october of LAST YEAR. Dork.

If you were an American sports fan, you wouldn't even be as intelligent as a Sooner. Probably more in line intellectually with an Aggie.

I just love it when I hear: TEXAS(half of crowd chanting).............FIGHT(other half chanting).............TEXAS...............FIGHT.....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qjpypJAtklg

Welcome to the 101st Red River Shootout! Half of the stadium in Crimson, half of the stadium in Burnt Orange ... divided evenly at the 50 yard line

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/sunvevo/DSC00863.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/sunvevo/DSC00867.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/sunvevo/DSC00860.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/sunvevo/DSC00855.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/sunvevo/DSC00866.jpg

Gametime!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/sunvevo/2006TX-OU03.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/sunvevo/2006TX-OU02.jpg

Interception! Texas ball!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/sunvevo/slide_17868_jwj06utou25.jpg

TOUCHDOWN TEXAS!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/sunvevo/slide_17849_rbb06utou15.jpg

The Texas Cheerleaders are happy!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/sunvevo/2006TX-OU18.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/sunvevo/2006TX-OU04.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/sunvevo/2006TX-OU05.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/sunvevo/2006TX-OU13.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/sunvevo/2006TX-OU08.jpg

The Oklahoma side clears out while the Texas side remains full! Time for some corny dogs and cheap beer!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/sunvevo/DSC00883.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/sunvevo/2006TX-OU14.jpg

TEXAS dominates the Sooners! Pooooor Sooners!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/sunvevo/DSC00886.jpg

Sooners of all ages weep. Wha!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/sunvevo/soonerkidcrying.jpg

Texas mascot "Bevo" reclaims his turf at the Cotton Bowl in Dallas, Texas

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/sunvevo/2006TX-OU11.jpg

"Smokey" the Cannon says to "Come and Take It"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/sunvevo/2006TX-OU17.jpg

The 101st Golden Hat goes to the Texas Longhorns!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/sunvevo/slide_17828_jwj06utou15.jpg


NOTE: Pictures courtesy of OUTKAST and blym at hornfans.com

Uh. Congrats on glorifying "dying" for your team, you heathen. Sports are just a game ... certainly nothing worth dying for or killing over... grow up. To say that we don't know about rivalries is utterly stupid ... so stupid i wouldn't even know where to start about breaking down the stupidity of your post. Seriously.

Oh, and did it take you a full year to figure out a retort to that post? It been up for since october of LAST YEAR. Dork.

If you were an American sports fan, you wouldn't even be as intelligent as a Sooner. Probably more in line intellectually with an Aggie.

Yeah, it took me a full year of reading. Duh.

Why don't you really reply and answer my post? Afraid of the truth?

I see. So it isn't a true rivalry unless you are willing to actually die for your team even if you are sitting next to them. I've heard it all now. Or at least I think I have.

Good pics of the game. I think Texas is prime to make a nice little long streak for themselves now.

Yeah, it took me a full year of reading. Duh.

Why don't you really reply and answer my post? Afraid of the truth?

Way to ruin the spirit of the thread you heathen, but since you insist, here are just a few articles for which you insist DOESN'T happen in American rivalries.

At least 67 Arrests during pre-game Texas-OU partying (http://www.lubbockonline.com/news/101297/LD0882.htm)

It is the game that once inspired tens of thousands to jam the downtown streets of Dallas on Friday night to drink, to dance, to hurl insults and to toss furniture from the open windows of the Baker and Adolphus Hotels. Just go down to Commerce Street about sundown the night before the Texas-OU Red River Shootout and the odds were good that you would be scrambling to make bail before the morning light. (http://espn.go.com/classic/s/2001/1003/1258863.html)

Texas A&M bonfire collapses in preparation for rival football game with University of Texas, 12 dead (http://www.cnn.com/US/9911/25/bonfire.vigil/)

GO HORNS!

Way to beat the hell out of OU this time!

And anybody who says that fans need to die in order for it to be a "true" rivalry, is just mental. Sports are much funner when you have a rivalry but the fans are disciplined and mature enough to realize that its just a sport and not worth killing over. Unlike some trashy sports arena where people are throwing flares at the opponents players and crap like that.

Way to ruin the spirit of the thread you heathen, but since you insist, here are just a few articles for which you insist DOESN'T happen in American rivalries.

At least 67 Arrests during pre-game Texas-OU partying (http://www.lubbockonline.com/news/101297/LD0882.htm)

It is the game that once inspired tens of thousands to jam the downtown streets of Dallas on Friday night to drink, to dance, to hurl insults and to toss furniture from the open windows of the Baker and Adolphus Hotels. Just go down to Commerce Street about sundown the night before the Texas-OU Red River Shootout and the odds were good that you would be scrambling to make bail before the morning light. (http://espn.go.com/classic/s/2001/1003/1258863.html)

Texas A&M bonfire collapses in preparation for rival football game with University of Texas, 12 dead (http://www.cnn.com/US/9911/25/bonfire.vigil/)

I was talking about rivalries, not about people getting killed because things fell on them and about people getting drunk and smashing their own city.

I was talking about rivalry, about passion.

Way to ruin the spirit of the thread you heathen

I was only responding to your fellow patriot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klassieker_(Ajax-Feyenoord)

http://www.footballderbies.com/faq/index.php?id=9

And some football pics:

http://www.volkskrant.nl/images/rellen280.jpg
http://www.ultrasworld.com/ajfe901.jpg
http://www.tonsoftattoos.com/wp-content/images/2006/maart/ajax/82.jpg

Just a couple of pics.

I've got nothing against you, but get your facts right and know who you are talking to and where you are talking about. It is clear you have got no clue whatsoever about rivalry. So don't act like you do.

I was talking about rivalries, not about people getting killed because things fell on them


take time to read the article again. This goes under your category of "dying for your team", as they were building an 80 foot bonfire that burns at a pep rally as a sign of their burning desire to beat rival Texas. It fell during construction, and 12 students died.


and about people getting drunk and smashing their own city.

Thats what you made it sound like. Oh, and read the article again. No one is smashing "their own" city. Its a neutral site game. You didn't even bother to read this thread or any of the articles did you? Shocker.

I was talking about rivalry, about passion.

ugh. Are you talking about rEvElry and not rIvAlry? I really don't know what the hell you are trying to say.


BTW, i'm a big world football supporter. I even follow dutch football, PSV, but mainly CL and EPL. So, don't pretend that you know more than i do. This thread isn't about world football, get over it.

Just go ahead and go away now.

None of those pictures that you posted are impressive. A tattoo of your sports team on your body. Uh, everyone has that. Even i have a longhorn on my shoulder blade. How about THIS, a CHICK with a rival's mascot tattooed upside down on her body just to show disrespect.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/sunvevo/soonergirl.jpg

It's an upside down Longhorn. On a Sooner fan. A girl sooner fan. Doesn't get much fiercer than that.

Oh, and I mean it, just go away, you aren't really making a good case for yourself and you're dumbing down my thread. Typical Ajax fan.

Here is more video footage from the end of the game last Saturday. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRz4R2AmeF0&NR) God, i LOVE youtube

Clemson running into "Death Valley" is a good mention. Of course I love UT's whole pre-game. The band, APO with the big flag, etc really put on a good show before the team hits the field. One that should really be mentioned though is Florida St. I not a fan of the 'Noles, but the Chief Osceola throwing down the spear is pretty cool. Wish I could find a good video.

Very nice pics youmust have had a good spot along the feild!

I like this stadium a lot, looks very european...Build it

http://www.mlsnet.com/images/2006/08/11/XJFoOv9S.jpg

any more pics of this stadium >?

I thank you, nyrmetros, for resurrecting the ÜBERTHREAD!

:applause:

There are some more pics and info here :
http://www.redbullpark.com/

Officials skeptical of threat against stadiums
Web site says 7 facilities to be hit with radiological dirty bombs in weekend

Updated: 6:59 p.m. PT Oct 18, 2006
WASHINGTON - An Internet message claiming that seven NFL stadiums will be hit with dirty bombs this weekend was met with “strong skepticism” Wednesday by government security officials.

With nothing to indicate an imminent attack, local authorities and stadium owners were alerted “out of an abundance of caution.”

Dated Oct. 12, the posting was part of an ongoing conversation titled “New Attack on America Be Afraid.” It appeared on a Web site called “The Friend Society,” which links to various online forums and off-color cartoons.

The message said trucks would deliver radiological bombs to stadiums in New York, Miami, Atlanta, Seattle, Houston, Oakland and Cleveland — and that Osama bin Laden would later claim responsibility.

Homeland Security spokesman Russ Knocke said the threat was being viewed “with strong skepticism,” but the agency contacted the NFL, local authorities and stadium owners “out of an abundance of caution.” The NCAA, which oversees college athletics, said it was also notified.

“The department strongly encourages the public to continue to go about their plans, including attending events that involve large public gatherings such as football games,” Knocke said.

FBI spokesman Richard Kolko said the threat was “questionable” and was discussing it with the NFL as “part of our routine discussions this week.”

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said stadiums around the country “are very well protected through the comprehensive security procedures we have in place, including secure facility perimeters, pat-downs and bag searches.”

Officials were made aware of the Web posting on Oct. 16. The threat was timed to be carried out on Sunday, Oct. 22, marking the final day in Mecca of Ramadan, the Islamic holy month.

“The death toll will approach 100,000 from the initial blasts and countless other fatalities will later occur as result from radioactive fallout,” the posting read.

It said al-Qaida would automatically be blamed for the nearly simultaneous attacks and predicted, “Later, through al-Jazeera, Osama bin Laden will issue a video message claiming responsibility for what he dubbed ’America’s Hiroshima.”’

The posting noted that all but one of the stadiums — Atlanta — are open-air arenas, adding: “Due to the open air, the radiological fallout will destroy those not killed in the initial explosion.” The retractable roof in Houston has been closed for all games so far this season.

Several NFL teams and stadium owners acknowledged that they were in contact with federal officials, including the New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority, which operates Giants Stadium, the home of the Jets and Giants.

In Indianapolis, where the Colts were preparing for a home game this weekend, head coach Tony Dungy said, “I’ve been waiting for this to happen for a couple of years now and you try and handle the security and put it out of your mind.”

“We’ll let the security people do their job, and we’ll do our job,” Dungy said. “We’ve got a lot of confidence in NFL security and our own security here.”

Raiders senior administrator Artie Gigantino said there would be no noticeable increase in security this weekend at Oakland Coliseum.

“But if we say we are going to do something different or obvious,” he said, “it wouldn’t be security anymore.”

Minnesota linebacker Napoloeon Harris, who will play with the Vikings this Sunday in Seattle, said he’s never felt threatened as a player, but understands why the league was alerted despite the threat’s questionable credibility.

“After 9/11, you’ve really got to take everything serious,” he said. “You really can’t take for granted your security. That’s just the way I look at it. Especially something of that magnitude.”

Authorities traced the site’s Internet provider back to Voxel Dot Net Inc., which has support and engineering staff based in Troy, N.Y. A man who answered the phone at Voxel, who declined to give his name, said he was unaware of the posted threat on the Web site and refused further comment.

The author of the threats, posted at 9:31 p.m. EDT on Oct. 12, identified himself online as “javness.”

“In the aftermath civil wars will erupt across the world, both in the Middle East and within the United States,” javness wrote. “Global economies will screech to a halt. General chaos will rule.”

The nation’s general alert level remains at yellow, signaling an elevated risk of an attack. The threat level for airline flights is at orange, where it has been since a foiled plot to bomb U.S.-bound commercial jets was revealed on Aug. 10.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15320622/

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blah blah blah.... it's all bollocks.....

I am glad that MSG was will not be moved afterall after hearing about it in the NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/19/nyregion/19moynihan.html).

I am glad that MSG was will not be moved afterall after hearing about it in the NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/19/nyregion/19moynihan.html).
The link requires a login. Can you post the article text here? :yes: