renovate MSG, as new arenas are popping up all over the US, MSG is only falling behind. I dont think I need to explain myself when save for Mellon Arena in Pittsburgh, MSG is the oldest arena in the NHL.

Rivalries are about watching your team beat shit out of the other team not phyiscally beating the shit out of the other teams fans. Killing people or dying or getting arrested over them is incredibly immature and pathetic..... stop trying to be an internet tuffguy because it makes you look uneducated and childish. If you can't control your emotions when drunk and have to kill another teams fans for it to be a rivalry you are disrepescting all fans of both teams and the sport, so grow up.

If the owners of MSG want to build a new arena, that's fine by me, but they have to pay for it too, after all only the owners would benefit from a new arena.

Ah, first you are the tough Texans, the best fans, and when I show Europeans and South-Americans are more passionate and live for their team, then it's just a game and it's about controlling emotions when drunk? Haha. Ignorace is bliss.

passion doesn't equal violence.....

Is Texas V Oklahoma the biggest rivalry in American college football? I know this has bugger all to do with stadiums but I was just wondering.

There are lots of games as big or bigger depends who you talk to.
Michigan-Ohio
USC-UCLA

There are lots of games as big or bigger depends who you talk to.

True. College rivalries are the biggest in the US sporting world, IMO, due to how important every single game in the season is, stadium sizes, college student bravado, alumni dollars, state AND city pride, the importance of future rectruiting of high school kids based on outcomes, et al

My personal list would include (in no order):

Auburn/Alabama
Michigan/Ohio State
Texas/Oklahoma
Army/Navy
Miami/Florida State
Oregon/Oregon State
Texas/Texas A&M
Notre Dame/USC

edit

I'm an Aggie so sorry UT, I mean TU....haha

The link requires a login. Can you post the article text here? :yes:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/19/nyregion/19moynihan.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Station Plan Is Called Dead, but It May Just Be Napping

By CHARLES V. BAGLI
Published: October 19, 2006

The Moynihan Station project has had a number of near-death experiences in the 13 years since plans first surfaced to convert the city’s General Post Office into a grand transit center adjoining Pennsylvania Station.

Yesterday, the Pataki administration declared the $900 million project “dead” after Sheldon Silver, the Democratic speaker of the State Assembly, refused to endorse it at a meeting of the Public Authorities Control Board. A yes vote would have cleared the way for construction before Gov. George E. Pataki, a Republican, leaves office in December.

It was unclear whether yesterday’s event was truly fatal, or merely an attempt by Democrats to deny Mr. Pataki a legacy project. In fact, this project, or even a grander one that includes moving Madison Square Garden, could be revived next year, presumably by Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, the leading candidate for governor.

But any delay carries political and financial risks. Construction costs could escalate, federal financing could disappear or the project could become mired in lawsuits.

“This project is dead,” Charles A. Gargano, the governor’s top economic development official, said after the meeting. “We’ve got to start all over again.”

Mr. Gargano said that the speaker’s action had forced the state to terminate the deal with the developers selected to build Moynihan Station: Vornado Realty Trust and Related Companies.

State officials and transit advocates have argued that Moynihan Station is desperately needed to relieve overcrowding at Penn Station, the busiest transit center in the country, and to provide a grand gateway to New York City. But Mr. Silver, in alliance with State Comptroller Alan G. Hevesi and Mr. Spitzer, have repeatedly questioned the financing and legality of the project.

Governor Pataki, who had lobbied personally in its favor, issued a statement last night saying he was “deeply disappointed.” He said that city, state and federal officials had expended a tremendous amount of effort in planning for Moynihan Station, completing the environmental review and designing “a station worthy of Senator Moynihan’s name.”

“It is truly infuriating to now have to consider those efforts fruitless,” Mr. Pataki said.

Mr. Gargano bitterly attacked Mr. Silver, saying he was playing politics and did not understand the project. Officials have suggested that Mr. Silver and other Democrats were acting merely to deny Mr. Pataki any credit.

“He’s one sorry-minded politician,” Mr. Gargano said.

Christine Anderson, a spokeswoman for Mr. Spitzer, said he was disappointed that the two sides were unable to work out their differences. She said he hoped that the Pataki administration would not restart the bidding process “and foreclose the possibility of the project moving forward.”

Transportation advocates also expressed hope that Moynihan Station would once again survive rumors of its demise.

“I don’t think the project’s dead,” said Robert Yaro, president of the Regional Plan Association. “But it’s obviously not going anywhere during this administration, which has only 10 weeks to go. I have every reason to believe that this will be a priority for Spitzer, if he’s elected.”

Last night, Mr. Silver denied that he was playing politics. He said that serious questions remained about the financing and the legality of the Moynihan Station project. He said he favored a more comprehensive proposal from the developers to modernize Penn Station on both sides of Eighth Avenue, by demolishing Madison Square Garden and building a new arena within the post office building.

Transit advocates say that the larger proposal is a rare opportunity to overhaul Penn Station, but that it would also be enormously profitable for the developers, who would build a glass canopy over Penn Station, as well as a shopping mall, office towers, a hotel and residential buildings.

But that proposal is still in a nascent stage and has not been publicly unveiled, and has no funding for the estimated $1 billion cost of renovating Penn Station.

Mr. Silver said he offered a compromise yesterday: to approve the $230 million purchase of the post office building and to debate the merits of the proposals in the future. But the Pataki administration rejected the idea.

“There is no reason it shouldn’t be done,” Mr. Silver said of the Farley purchase. “It’s all about photo-ops and cornerstones for them.”

There are lots of games as big or bigger depends who you talk to.
Michigan-Ohio
USC-UCLA

USC-UCLA is more of a regional rivalry that nobody really cares about outside of Southern California. USC-Norte Dame is a different story, though.

I can't say that I'd kill a St. Louis Cardinals fan, but as a Cubs fan, I feel its my duty to bump into them when walking past them or at least give them a dirty look.

They have created a moster..., they are everywhere.....

Dirty bombs? dirty play perhaps!

iTS all bullshit.............i hope

it's all BS..... Americans are so gullible. oh well.

It's all bollocks. MSG only needs minor rennovations. Who cares if MSG is the 2nd oldest arena in the NHL? It has character and charm, things you can not buy. Just ask Boston and Chicago. And Moynihan Station should be for Amtrak, not NJ Transit.

Unless Mike Dolan gets to keep his taxbreaks on the new MSG, he will not support it.

http://coloradorapids.com/Images/NewsImages/DSGParkLogo.jpg

You got it. Dick's Sporting Goods Park.

Let the dick jokes commence. :lol:

That sucks. :nuts:

I hate stadiums named after companies, which is pretty much the trend these days. The one I hate most is "US Cellular Field" in Chicago. - cringes -

Lets go to Dicks and kick some balls!

hahahahahaha that was funny calvin hahahahaha
Finally a stadium name that is worse than the Pink Taco Stadium or the University of Phoenix Stadium.
My mum makes better stadium names - Moocy (combination of my two cats Moonie and Lucy)

http://coloradorapids.com/Images/NewsImages/DSGParkLogo.jpg

You got it. Dick's Sporting Goods Park.

Let the dick jokes commence. :lol:


what a fucking disgrace!:ohno:

Perth's football ground in West Aust. was all set to be called "Crazy John's stadium" but it was unfortunately nipped in the bud by the government.

LOL!! Haha!! I can see it now "The Rapids came up short at the Dick's"! :rofl:

Ok that one is really bad... I don't believe marketing and PR people agreed on that name!

Ok that one is really bad... I don't believe marketing and PR people agreed on that name!


:lol:


some other bad names

American Airlines Arena

Pizza Hut Park

Minute Maid Stadium

Pro Player Stadium


i think in ice hockey, Nashville's rink is called "Gaylord Entertainment Center."



Or maybe it's "Gaylord recreation center"



Either way.... :lol:

Here in OZ . . . Subiaco Oval in Perth was very close to signing a naming rights deal with telecommunications company Crazy John's.

Thankfully due to public backlash, the 'Crazy John's Stadium' idea was scrapped. :lol:

Ok ok all these names suck but how can you authorise anything with dick in it at this point I'm sorry you're just asking for it next to it the gaylord recreation center is a cool name. It's such a shame cause it's a really cool looking stadium I guess people will do just like for the emirates stadium or toyota park call it by his location name bridgeview or else...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/14/sports/baseball/14stadium.html?ref=nyregion
Honoring Robinson Is Part of Citi Field Plans

By SEWELL CHAN
Published: November 14, 2006

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/11/13/sports/13cnd_mets.600.jpg
From left, Mets players Jose Reyes and David Wright, Mayor Mike Bloomberg and Jeff Wilpon, the Mets' senior executive vice president.

A rotunda honoring the life of Jackie Robinson, Citibank A.T.M.’s, a 41 percent increase in concessions and enough restaurant capacity to feed 3,134 people are among the features planned for the Mets’ new ballpark, Citi Field, which is scheduled to replace Shea Stadium in 2009, the team announced yesterday.

Gov. George E. Pataki, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg and other politicians joined the Mets’ principal owner, Fred Wilpon, and several team officials and players yesterday for a ceremonial groundbreaking on a new 42,500-seat stadium. The design for the stadium is inspired by Ebbets Field, the former home of the Brooklyn Dodgers, and is expected to cost nearly $800 million.

Under a 20-year sponsorship deal with Citigroup, the stadium will be named Citi Field, displacing the name of William A. Shea. Shea, a lawyer, helped bring National League baseball back to New York in 1962, five years after the Brooklyn Dodgers and New York Giants left. Shea Stadium opened in 1964.

The Mets have encountered some criticism for not naming the new stadium for Robinson, the Dodgers legend who broke baseball’s color barrier in 1947, but Wilpon said fans would be welcomed into the soaring Jackie Robinson Rotunda, inscribed with this quotation from Robinson: “A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives.” The rotunda will include a statue, still to be designed, and an exhibition on Robinson’s life.

The Mets also pledged to help the Jackie Robinson Foundation, created in 1973, build a museum and education center in Lower Manhattan. The foundation has given college scholarships to more than 1,100 minority students.

“It is my hope that as individuals and groups walk through the rotunda, they will begin to be inspired and begin to think about their own lives and what the meaning of their own lives is,” Robinson’s widow, Rachel Robinson, said at the ceremony. “I hope it will spread not just some joy, but some critical thinking about our society.”

Wilpon said that corporate support was essential to the project. “With the economics that go along with building a stadium like this, it is imperative that we receive revenues,” he said.

The Mets are financing the stadium with about $615 million in bonds. The city will contribute $90 million in capital funds and the state will contribute $75 million in rent credits to be used for infrastructure projects. The Mets have promised to use the stadium for at least 35 years.

The city estimates that the project will create 6,000 construction jobs while preserving the 1,000 jobs at Shea Stadium.

To secure City Council support for the bond financing, the Mets promised to devote 25 percent of their annual community and charitable efforts to Queens groups, and to have at least 25 percent of construction contracts and jobs go to Queens companies and residents. They said another 25 percent would go to firms owned by women or minorities.

In addition to naming rights, Citigroup, a financial services company, agreed to buy time on SportsNet New York, a television network the Mets launched in March. The Citigroup name will be integrated into the team’s marketing and publicity campaigns and appear on walls, scoreboards, videos and automated teller machines throughout the ballpark.

The number of toilets will increase, to 646 from 568, as will the number of wheelchair-accessible seats (to 830 from 174), luxury suites (to 54 from 45) and public elevators (to 11 from 4). The new stadium store will be 7,200 square feet; the store at Shea is 2,600 square feet.

Building a smaller stadium in NYC is silly.......

any new pics of the stadium ?

Building a smaller stadium in NYC is silly.......

Isn't Shea usually pretty empty during mid-season though?

There is no shame in naming rights for stadiums.

The new Indianapolis Colts Stadium.....Lucas Oil Stadium.

The only corporate stadium name that sounds decent (at lest in the US) is The Great American Ballpark in Cincinnati. Named for Great American Insurance Co.

There is no shame in naming rights for stadiums.




obvious cultural differences....

fortunately over here 2 of the more famous grounds have acceptable names Emirates Stadium, Walkers Stadium

but then there's Kit Kat Crescent which is probably the most ridiculous name for a stadium second to Shrewsbury Town's Gay Meadow :lol:

Incredible crowd for the anticipated matchup of Southlake's Mary Carroll High School vs Euless's Trinity High School. Southlake Carroll is the winner of the past 2 mythical high school national championships given by USA Today, and Texas 5a division II state champions 4 of the last 5 years. Trinity is a growing power who won 5a division I last season. Both teams came in undefeated, with Carroll carrying some incredible streaks into the game. They have not lost in the regular season in 6 years. The matchup was so anticipated that a gate crowd of 46,000 was announced at the beginning of the game. As you can see, the crowd continued to walk up. Keep in mind, Texas Stadium holds ~ 65,000. This is high school football. Not even college.

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Yeah, Texas is crazy about their High School Football.

Also, in that last picture, why is the Cowboys backwards in the endzone? Is it just me or is something not right?

sorry, was a reversed image.

who are the spectators? (family or students or what?)

how many students are there in the high schools?

Who won?

Southlake Carroll has 2408 students
Trinity has 3765 students

A typical game in Texas would have about 10,000 students. There are always a lot more in the playoff, but usually not this many. There have been a few in the 40,000+ range, but I believe this is a record. The vast majority of spectators would just be interested, neutral parties. This matchup was anticipated as soon as both won state titles last season. Interesting contrasts between the two teams/schools/communities. Trinity is a very diverse school known for its unusually large concentration of Tongans(Euless has the largest population of Tongans in the US). Its a lower-middle to middle class community that lies just west of DFW airport. Southlake is about 5 miles north of Euless. I believe its second in Texas in per capita income behind Highland Park, is filled with upper-middle class to wealthy and their mansions, has lots of children of former pro athletes and is a vast majority 'white' school. I think a lot of people wanted to see the wealthy school go down, but it didn't happen. They've lost no games since the championship game in 2003, which they lost by 1 or 2 points.

How much were the tickets - compared with, say, Longhorns tickets and Cowboys tickets?

That is crazy. High school? Do students have to pay for tickets?

i was at that game it was crazy i have never seen Texas Stadium so Corwded for a High School game

i seriously wanted the Trojans to win every one in Irving HATES SOUTHLAKE i know that there were a ton of people from our high school that went.

Its okay though Southlake will definety lose to ODESSA PERMIAN (the team from friday nigt lights) this friday

That is crazy. High school? Do students have to pay for tickets?

I don't know, hence the question. How much do you think it costs to hire a stadium like Texas Stadium? Staff wages, Security, overheads all have to be paid for by someone.

Maybe it was free entry for all and the schools paid the hire charge (?), maybe Texas Stadium took its payment from food and souvenir sales. Maybe the event had a charge of $10 a ticket because they felt the market would stand it. I can speculate all day but I still won't know, so it made sense to ask...

Also, I have no idea what the relative pricing is for equivalent seats in NCAA and NFL, which is why I mentioned the Longhorns and the Cowboys.

Anyone?

Tickets this year were $10 for everyone, 2 or younger is free. $5 parking per car. The cheapest you'd get into a UT game would be $36 for bad seats. $60 for the Cowboys cheap seats. Yes, students pay to get in unless you are a band, drill-team member or have an athletics pass(athletes from other sports) from your school district.

The amazing thing is, many speculated that attendance would not be nearly what they expected because this was the day after Thanksgiving and many would be out of town.

I'm wondering what the attendance will be like for the 5A state championship games this year. For the first time, they have pre-determined sites, with both games at the Alamodome and tickets are already on sale. Wonder if they will sell out once we know who makes it.

I don't know, hence the question. How much do you think it costs to hire a stadium like Texas Stadium? Staff wages, Security, overheads all have to be paid for by someone.

Maybe it was free entry for all and the schools paid the hire charge (?), maybe Texas Stadium took its payment from food and souvenir sales. Maybe the event had a charge of $10 a ticket because they felt the market would stand it. I can speculate all day but I still won't know, so it made sense to ask...

Also, I have no idea what the relative pricing is for equivalent seats in NCAA and NFL, which is why I mentioned the Longhorns and the Cowboys.

Anyone?

Playing at Texas Stadium = $2500 per school per game. Every stadium will have a rental fee to cover lights, security and staff. This is usually covered by district or school athletic departments from their own earned revenue(ticket gate, concessions, advertising in programs and scoreboards, programs, etc) Concessions are run by Texas Stadium and include volunteer groups who are raising their own monies just as there would be on normal NFL gamedays.

Normally, in the playoffs, Texas Stadium will host triple or quadruple headers(3 or 4 games in one day). The $10 gains access to every game and any seat in the lower bowl. If the lower bowl is filled, the upper tier is then opened. $10 is a bargain for even two games. Parking is charged as this is part of the city of Irving's lease agreement. They have a mandatory parking fee.

Again, a UT game would be $36 at the lowest if you have a friend or child with a sports pass and can get you guest tickets. The past few seasons this has been nearly impossible to do because of the number of donation and season pass seats. Many of these packages start ~$500 for bad seats. Suits are in the 10s of thousands

Cowboys cheap seats are $60. Again, many season tickets are sold, driving up the other seats as they become a rarity. You could likely pay $1500 for a good seat and season tickets start ~$1000 for bad seats and skyrocket into many times that as the seats get better. Suites go for crazy prices.

But we are talking about different levels of football here. People watch the NFL because they want to see some of the world's greatest athletes hit the hardest, run the fastest and run the most complicated schemes. People watch college for its great tradition, color and pageantry, more entertaining variety than the NFL and school spirit. High school ball is most exciting, most points, most mistakes, and a smaller helping of the color and pageantry of college football. Many are just there to see their kid play or perform in the band, or be cheerleaders. Different levels, but all are beloved.

^^
Those prices are ridiculous for NFL games, but i guess if the demand is there, they can charge what they want!!

The cost of rent for the stadium to play a school match seems cheap enough??

Thanks Rantanamo. As ever, a very thorough job. I knew I could count on you.

One thing: Sure, there would be lots of family and friends at High School games, as you'd imagine - but 46,000? That's a lot of family and friends! They must have some big families in and around Dallas (come to think of if, there were quite a few Ewings) or there were lots of vaguely associated people there just to be part of the occasion.

I'd guess there must have been a strong presence of alumni, just as in College football.

Also, $5,000 hires you Texas Stadium for what? 4 hours? That's very reasonable (especially with the dollar falling). I've been to wedding receptions that will have cost more per hour than that!

I should also add that this now looks like very good business for all concerned. Over $400,000 seat revenue all for an outlay of $5,000 goes straight into the local Schools' Sports authority. Texas Stadium gets concession sales from 46,000 hungry/thirsty spectators, Irvine City gets between $75,000 and $100,000 in parking revenue. Everyone gets a big game atmosphere at a fraction of the NCAA/NFL cost - and most get to see Jimmy Jr. get on the field.

As ever, I can only imagine that sort of thing happening here (sigh)...

Not a bad way to make money! :)

Over $400,000 seat revenue all for an outlay of $5,000 goes straight into the local Schools' Sports authority. Texas Stadium gets concession sales from 46,000 hungry/thirsty spectators, Irvine City gets between $75,000 and $100,000 in parking revenue. Everyone gets a big game atmosphere at a fraction of the NCAA/NFL cost - and most get to see Jimmy Jr. get on the field.

As ever, I can only imagine that sort of thing happening here (sigh)...

Damn.

Thanks Rantanamo. As ever, a very thorough job. I knew I could count on you.

One thing: Sure, there would be lots of family and friends at High School games, as you'd imagine - but 46,000? That's a lot of family and friends! They must have some big families in and around Dallas (come to think of if, there were quite a few Ewings) or there were lots of vaguely associated people there just to be part of the occasion.

I'd guess there must have been a strong presence of alumni, just as in College football.

Also, $5,000 hires you Texas Stadium for what? 4 hours? That's very reasonable (especially with the dollar falling). I've been to wedding receptions that will have cost more per hour than that!

I should also add that this now looks like very good business for all concerned. Over $400,000 seat revenue all for an outlay of $5,000 goes straight into the local Schools' Sports authority. Texas Stadium gets concession sales from 46,000 hungry/thirsty spectators, Irvine City gets between $75,000 and $100,000 in parking revenue. Everyone gets a big game atmosphere at a fraction of the NCAA/NFL cost - and most get to see Jimmy Jr. get on the field.

As ever, I can only imagine that sort of thing happening here (sigh)...

That game is not typical. The profile was just very high because they matchup has been anticipated since both won state championship last year. I'd imagine Texas Stadium will get at least that many fans over the course of a normal playoff Saturday, so yes, they are doing good business. This is precisely why you are seeing these great smaller stadiums all over the state of Texas. A given stadium that's popular can get a few games each week and rake in decent dough to be reinvested into their programs. Not to mention more events = more ad dollars.

Here's the link:

University of Washington unviels expansion/renovation plans (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2003456124_uwfacilities01.html)

Here's the pictures:

http://www.footballstadiumdigest.com/images/husky_stadium_new_2.jpg
http://www.footballstadiumdigest.com/images/husky_stadium_new.jpg

Another collegiate football stadium ditching the track. Although, I like the exterior.

With the endzone expansion capacity should be 80000+. Does the University need it?

Here's some photos:

http://www.nmnathletics.com.edgesuite.net/pics17/400/ZI/ZIIDGJDMAWWVKEI.20061116145416.jpg
http://www.nmnathletics.com.edgesuite.net/pics17/400/ZI/ZIMGKSUQANKGYOP.20061116145344.jpg
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It's sorta like what Florida State's got, minus the massive arena in one endzone.

I would think. U Dub is a pretty big program. I like that, look. Reminds me of an Alaho Stadium horseshoe.

So the one endzone + luxury boxes are being renovated/added?

Lambeau and Doak Campbell stadiums had an offspring. Two of my favorite stadiums, so I like it.

what's the new capacity?

all those new seats to fill...looks like the Huskies better return to being.....the Huskies.

Hopefully, none of the stadium will collapse, once construction starts.

Husky stadium is absolutely gorgeous -- and a great football program to boot. Very likable school and athletic dept. This looks like 3/4 of Neyland stadium, which is also a very cool stadium on the water.

I've never liked their track around the field. Nice to see that they are axing that.

Yeah. Not bad, but it looks like about a dozen other sites.

I somehow don't like the idea of axing the track. What if the renovations don't get approved?

http://www.cafecasey.com/images/aloha_stadium.jpg

that's what this makes me think of. I like.

Yeah. Not bad, but it looks like about a dozen other sites.

which ones? I can think of the two that I mentioned.

There was a picture floating around a couple years ago showing a similar capacity of fans in the Astrodome for a state championship game. I'm going to go out on the limb and say that no state can touch Texas as far as atmosphere and passion of high school football. It is very unique and very fun if you've never been to one. Entire towns shutdown from every Friday for games.

What does it look like now?

I was at Garland's state title game 1999. There were 49,000 people there. Not because of Garland or Katy, but for Port Neches- Groves vs Stephenville, which was the next game. PNG is considered the biggest following out there, and held the previous record at Texas Stadium for their title game with Plano in the 70s. They were really loud too and simply dwarfed our fans.

Great thread, rant.

Lambeau and Doak Campbell stadiums had an offspring. Two of my favorite stadiums, so I like it.

Indeed. And I really like this as well.

I went to several games at Husky Stadium (including seeing the Seahawks play there while they were awaiting their new stadium). I love the stadium siting and it has a wicked view from the water and of the water. This plan looks quite nice.

anyone whos on the outside rows near the edge of the sides of the new stand is gonna have a shite view due to the older grandstands being in the way, and are the older grandstands gonna get renovated?

In '03 I got to see a game there. The setting was nice. The 2 upper decks are amazing. But man the track puts the fans so far away from the game. Autzen is my home staduim. Fans are feet from the game on all sides of the staduim. It was wierd seeing the Ducks and Huskies and not being able to tell what's going on. (I was actually on the track behind the endzone)

I hope they get it done because it will be good for the PAC 10. Take your time though. It's hard enough to recruit in the PAC 10 with USC, Cal, OSU, UCLA, and now Arizona getting in on the recruits.

Here's the photos:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/media/photo/2006-12/26841600.jpg
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/media/photo/2006-12/26841601.jpg

It's okay. Sure, the concourses are now climate controlled, but the new exterior seems too ballon-ey.

not bad i guess

No roof?

^ No. Although, it would help with the Marlins for the short term.

The Marlins are being evicted in 2010, I doubt any upgrade to this facility will take them into consideration.

This is only Phase I of construction. Renderings of Phase II, which will commence once the Marlins are booted, will be released soon.

No roof?
Not much need for a roof really...
Are they still going to do the retractable roof?
It's Florida you don't need a roof.
What's the point in climate controlling the concourses if there's no roof over the stadium?
ROOF = PHASE II = 2010

:grouphug:

the orange bowl will look good

Looks really good.

No roof?



Not much need for a roof really , south florida in the summer it rains for 15 minutes everyday around 3 pm . You might want a roof over the fans because of the sun LOL. they are converting the outside into a MALL lol.

the orange bowl will look good

Actually Friendly FYI that is not the orange bowl stadium at all . It is the former Joe Robbie stadium . http://www.orangebowlstadium.com/pages/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin_Stadium

The only privately owned stadium in the NFL . The former owner of blockbuster video owns Dolphin Stadium

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Dolphinsmiamistadm.png/800px-Dolphinsmiamistadm.png

wtf, look at all the parking spots.

america, space enough I guess. Would be impossible in Holland or what?

Are they still going to do the retractable roof? When they talked about this a couple of years ago, a second phase was to add a retractable roof once the Marlins were out.

It's Florida you don't need a roof.

I never liked this stadium,it doesn't look good the parking lots are just atrocious even if they are needed. I hope the new concourse will have it to look a bit better. I can't wait to see this stadium without any trace of the baseball pitch. 2010 I can't wait !!!

It's Florida you don't need a roof.

I was asking for need. I'm asking because when the name change took place, they announced the renovations that would take place. They mentioned a retractable roof in the final phases. The story should be somewhere on this board.

What's the point in climate controlling the concourses if there's no roof over the stadium? The hot, humid air will get to the concourses anyway so it's really just a big waste of energy.

Probably in anticipation of a closed off roof that opens and closes?

nice

Ross Predicts A 2008 Start For New MSG

By DAVID LOMBINO
Staff Reporter of the Sun
November 30, 2006

A developer involved in the recently scuttled Moynihan Station project said he is confident that construction will soon begin on an even larger alternative plan that involves building a new Madison Square Garden inside the Farley Post Office building, renovating Penn Station, and erecting office towers in the surrounding area.

At a real estate conference yesterday, billionaire developer Stephen Ross of the Related Companies said strong support from Mayor Bloomberg's office and the incoming Spitzer administration would lead to final approval of the megaproject next year, and that construction on a new arena would begin in early 2008. Mr. Ross would partner with Vornado Realty Trust. The project is expected to cost billions, including more than an estimated $1 billion in public subsidies, and take years to complete...

Source: Here! (http://www.nysun.com/article/44350)

:grouphug:

It's Time To Say Goodbye to the Meadowlands Arena
The Business of Sport

By EVAN WEINER
December 7, 2006

Sometime soon, New Jersey Governor Corzine, will be deciding whether or not to keep the Meadowlands Arena open. Here's some free advice for the Governor: Make demolition plans.

He'll need them because as soon as the 18,000-seat Newark arena opens next fall, the 25-year-old structure Meadowlands facility will be entirely obsolete by today's sports and arena standards and will also have lost one of its main tenants — the Devils — to the new arena. (The Meadowlands building also will probably lose college basketball and NCAA opening-round tournaments to the Newark venue.)

When an arena loses an anchor tenant it signals the beginning of the end of its usefulness as a sports venue. Jeffrey Vanderbeek's Devils franchise is gone and Bruce Ratner's Nets are contractually committed to the building only until his planned Brooklyn Arena sees the light of day. Of course, Ratner's arena may never be built, which means that — under the right circumstances — the Nets could end up in Newark or possibly somewhere in Queens. But Ratner is not likely to stay beyond 2010 or 2011 at an old arena that underperforms in terms of revenue because of a lack of luxury boxes, club seats, and other fan-friendly amenities...

Source: Here! (http://www.nysun.com/article/44802)

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NFL owners to provide $300M for new Meadowlands stadium

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

NEWARK — The New York Giants and Jets will receive $300 million in funding help from NFL owners for their new stadium at the Meadowlands.

The stadium is projected to cost between $1.1 billion to $1.2 billion.

The owners approved the league stadium financing request, a loan, at the NFL owners meeting in Frisco, Texas, NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said.

"It's absolutely important to have a world-class facility in the No. 1 market for the NFL," commissioner Roger Goodell said after the meeting. "In New York, there's a lot of competing facilities being built, and it's important for us to keep up with the other sports in the New York area."

The teams are jointly financing the stadium, which is expected to open in 2010 and seat between 82,500 and 84,000. Construction is expected to begin next spring...

Source: Here! (http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061208/NEWS03/612080360/1007)

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Giants Jets stadium moving through state approval process

JANET FRANKSTON LORIN
Associated Press

LYNDHURST, N.J. - Concerns about traffic and environmental issues predominated as state agencies took public comment Wednesday about the proposed new football stadium at the Meadowlands.

The state Department of Environmental Protection and the Meadowlands Commission are reviewing plans for the new home of the New York Giants and New York Jets at the Meadowlands sports complex.

The teams are jointly financing the stadium, expected to cost between $1.1 billion and $1.2 billion and seat between 82,500 and 84,000. The teams expect to present final design plans in January.

Bill Sheehan, the Hackensack Riverkeeper, asked about use of paper products instead of Styrofoam, the effect of stadium lighting on wildlife and how building materials could be recycled.

Mary Musca, a project executive for the stadium, said when the old stadium is demolished material will be recycled and crushed to fill the hole in the ground that is formed by the demolition.

She mentioned other environmentally friendly features of the stadium, including waterless urinals, low-water usage plants and landscaping, synthetic turf on the field and energy-efficient lighting...

Source: Here! (http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/16232421.htm)

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Report: Devils Arena Cost Jumps $102.4 Million
Taxpayer's Contribution May End Up Jumping Significantly

(CBS/AP) NEWARK The price tag just went up on Newark's downtown hockey arena.

According to an audit report commissioned by the city, Newark may have to spend an additional $102.4 million for infrastructure work near the project.

The Star-Ledger of Newark reported the story in Friday's newspapers.

The city and the New Jersey Devils are jointly funding the $365 million arena, which is under construction and due to open in October. Newark is paying $210 million toward construction costs while the Devils are responsible for the remaining $155 million.

But Newark also is required to pay for infrastructure improvements around the arena, including road upgrades, a pedestrian bridge, a plaza and a public park, according to the report by Paul Fader, a former chief counsel to former Gov. Richard Codey.

These extra costs could push taxpayer's contribution to $312.4 million.

Richard Monteilh, the former head of the Newark Downtown Core Redevelopment Corp., the agency charged with overseeing the construction of the arena, said he thought Fader's estimate was exaggerated. He said some of the projects listed can be left to future phases of development.

Source: Here! (http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_328205605.html)

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$4B Atlantic Yards Gets Prelim Approval

By Katie Hinderer

BROOKLYN, NY-On Monday the Empire State Development Corp. approved the modified General Project Plan for the Atlantic Yards project and authorized eminent domain to seize the final properties needed for the project to go forward. The Public Authorities Control Board is the final hurdle developer Forester City Ratner Cos. must overcome. The PACB is expected to vote on the plan Dec. 20, although given the board’s track record it is uncertain if the project will receive the unanimous decision required.

“Today’s approval is another important milestone in the creation of tens of thousands of construction jobs, thousands of permanent jobs, and critically needed housing, including affordable housing,” Gov. George Pataki says in a statement.

The $4-billion Atlantic Yards project is taking a 22-acre blighted part of the Brooklyn and transforming it into a mixed-use area that will include a stadium for the New Jersey Nets basketball team. Forest City Ratner expects the project to generate 17,000 new residents, 22,000 construction jobs, and 5,000 jobs once the project is complete. The project is also expected to generate $944 million in tax revenues for New York State...

Source: Here! (http://www.globest.com/news/800_800/newyork/151328-1.html)

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Actually Friendly FYI that is not the orange bowl stadium at all . It is the former Joe Robbie stadium . http://www.orangebowlstadium.com/pages/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin_Stadium

The only privately owned stadium in the NFL . The former owner of blockbuster video owns Dolphin Stadium

Oh, thanx for that, didnt know :)
Just know the stadium from Ace Ventura

It's all bollocks. MSG only needs minor rennovations. Who cares if MSG is the 2nd oldest arena in the NHL? It has character and charm, things you can not buy. Just ask Boston and Chicago. And Moynihan Station should be for Amtrak, not NJ Transit.


As a Chicagoan I would have to second that. I would be thrilled to have the old Chicago Stadium back tommorow. Or if not have the stadium back have many of its better qualities infused into the UC. The UC is nice and modern but its rather blah and lacking personality.

Didn't MSG lose all of its character in the last renovation?

Keep in mind that the Atlantic Yds Arena is not official yet and it could be cancelled if any of the PACB members are oppossed to it or if they all say no unamiously.

Some people are just asking a roof for the fun of it! I still wonder why they included a roof in the final design of this thing. This stadium is going to waste energy like crasy with this system.

What's their justification for a roof does anyone know?

All the stadium needs is a roof over the stands, not the playing field.

I was there twice, 1 for baseball, 1 for NFL. The place actually would make a great soccer stadium. The USA played there in the early 90's I think.

Didn't MSG lose all of its character in the last renovation?

No, not all of it. Though the blue seats shrank in size and color scheme (sec 400's), the atmosphere at MSG on Rangers nights is still incredible.

As a Chicagoan I would have to second that. I would be thrilled to have the old Chicago Stadium back tommorow. Or if not have the stadium back have many of its better qualities infused into the UC. The UC is nice and modern but its rather blah and lacking personality.

And that directly translates to game day atmosphere..... $$ can never buy this.....

Red Bull Park update

http://www.bigapplesoccer.com/article.php?article_id=8228

"Red Bull Park, whose ground-breaking had been long delayed by several obstacles, is still on course to begin construction in March.

The final building at the Harrison, N.J. site of the 25,000-seat soccer-specific stadium is being demolished, according to Nick Sakiewicz, president of Anschutz Entertainment Group New York/New Jersey, the man who has spearheaded the stadium effort.

"So far, so good," Sakiewicz said yesterday. "The weather has cooperated."

Before construction can begin on the $100 million stadium, the buildings' foundations must been pulled up and reconstituted and construction workers must fill in holes left by the demolition, Sakiewicz said."

Some people are just asking a roof for the fun of it! I still wonder why they included a roof in the final design of this thing. This stadium is going to waste energy like crasy with this system.

What's their justification for a roof does anyone know?

Again, no one is saying roof for fun. The Dolphins themselves said that would be in a future phase, stating they wanted to host a Final Four and possible World Cup.

the orange bowl will look good

The Orange Bowl is were the Miami Hurricanes from College Football play, the Miami Dolphins are the NFL football team that play in the Dolphins Stadium, formerly known as Joe Robbie Stadium and Pro Player Stadium.

A world cup and a final four. yup I like that idea. But I'm sorry for me a game of football is never better than in a outdoor venue. I agree with nyrmetros Put a roof on the stands if you want not on the pitch. Evidently it's just my point of view. As long as the money is coming from private investor I'm ok with it. I'm all about dolphin stadium being seriously upgraded. "wasting" money on a roof for one final four or whatever world cup final is from my point of view unjustified. Miami already has enough venues to handle any kind of mega event.

What facility in South Florida can host the Final Four? None!

I don't see the need for an MSG V. I will not argue that it did take away a beautiful stationhouse, but other great gems have been lost to. There wasn't any Landmark Preservation Act before it occurred. I am not saying that it was right thing to do despite this, and I also do not think it should be repeated either. Overall, it should just stay b/c tearing down the Farely Bldg, also known as the General Post Office, would be taking away all of the idea what Penn Station looked like. On a sidenote, Daniel Patrick Monyiham already has something in NYC named after him and that is the NYS Supreme Courthouse, which was built at Foley Sq in 1998.

I know there is probaby a thread like this about ten pages back but so bed it:)

Top NFL Stadiums

1. Soldier (Chicago)
2. Reliant (Houston)
3. Qwest (Seattle)

4. Ford Field (Detroit)
5. University of Phoenix Stadium (Phoenix metro)

6. Gillette Stadium (Boston metro)
7. Lambeau Field (Green Bay)
8. INVESCO Field at Mile High (Denver)
9. Arrowhead Stadium (Kansas City)
10. Lincoln Financial Field (Philly)


I suspect the new Dallas Cowboys stadium will be in my top three (possiably one) when it is done. And the new Indy stadium I suspect will be in my top 6.

Dude what are you talking about?
Gillette Stadium is #4, also take out Reliant and put in the U of P stadium Arizona.

also I think ford field is ugly and not top 10 material.

Louisiana superdome??? like 100,000 seats man.

Feel free to make your own list, I am not a government authority these are just one man's opinions.

I'll piss a few people off for you.

Here is my 10.

Lambeau Field
Heinz Field
QWest Field
Invesco Field
U of P Stadium
Reliant Stadium
M&T Bank Stadium
Soldier Field
Arrowhead Stadium
Paul Brown Stadium

1. Reliant Stadium - Houston, Tx
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/17/Reliant_Stadium.jpg

2. Qwest Field - Seattle, Wa
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Qwest_Field.jpg

3. University of Phoenix Stadium - Phoenix, Az
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/42/Cardinals_stadium_crop.jpg

4. Invesco Field - Denver, Co
http://www.fischpop.de/Stadionweb/images/Denver_InvescoField.jpg

5. Paul Brown Stadium - Cincinatti, Oh
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Cincinnati-paul-brown-stadium2.jpg/800px-Cincinnati-paul-brown-stadium2.jpg

6. Arrowhead Stadium - Kansas City, Mo
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/missouri/kansas_city_arrowhead1.jpg

7. Lincoln Financial Field - Philidelphia, Pa
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/71/Philly_%2845%29.JPG/800px-Philly_%2845%29.JPG

8. Ford Field - Detroit, Mi
http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/nfc/ford503.jpg

9. Hienz Field - Pittsburgh, Pa
http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Albums/Stadiums/NFL/Images/Heinz_Field.jpg

10. Raymond James Stadium - Tampa, Fl
http://football.ballparks.com/NFL/TampaBayBucs/aerial.jpg

Dude what are you talking about?
Gillette Stadium is #4, also take out Reliant and put in the U of P stadium Arizona.

also I think ford field is ugly and not top 10 material.

Louisiana superdome??? like 100,000 seats man.


Take out Reliant? Have you seen the stadium? It is one of the best in the US if not the world.

Reliant
Ford Field
Soldier Field
Lambeau Field
Paul Brown
Cleveland Browns Stadium
Invesco
University of Phoenix
Lincoln Financial
Qwest Field

1. Reliant Stadium - Houston, Tx
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/17/Reliant_Stadium.jpg

2. Qwest Field - Seattle, Wa
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Qwest_Field.jpg

3. University of Phoenix Stadium - Phoenix, Az
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/42/Cardinals_stadium_crop.jpg

4. Invesco Field - Denver, Co
http://www.fischpop.de/Stadionweb/images/Denver_InvescoField.jpg

5. Paul Brown Stadium - Cincinatti, Oh
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Cincinnati-paul-brown-stadium2.jpg/800px-Cincinnati-paul-brown-stadium2.jpg

6. Arrowhead Stadium - Kansas City, Mo
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/missouri/kansas_city_arrowhead1.jpg

7. Lincoln Financial Field - Philidelphia, Pa
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/71/Philly_%2845%29.JPG/800px-Philly_%2845%29.JPG

8. Ford Field - Detroit, Mi
http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/nfc/ford503.jpg

9. Hienz Field - Pittsburgh, Pa
http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Albums/Stadiums/NFL/Images/Heinz_Field.jpg

10. Raymond James Stadium - Tampa, Fl
http://football.ballparks.com/NFL/TampaBayBucs/aerial.jpg

Where the hell is Soldier Field??

Not on his list.

But if you are looking for it, it is in Chicago.

Awesome Stadiums

damn them gotta lot of big stadiums in the States!!!

Take out Reliant? Have you seen the stadium? It is one of the best in the US if not the world.

Yeah, my bad on that one.
I was thinking of Tampa Bay's stadium, for some reason, being named Reliant Stadium.
Reliant is #1 along with Seattle's and Arizona's close behind.

Philadelphias stadium is colossal. or at least it looks colossal.

In no specify order :)

Invesco Field at Mile High Stadium

http://static.flickr.com/81/244343451_10d9e75a41.jpg?v=0

Reliant Stadium

http://static.flickr.com/23/40828687_13aee5d178.jpg?v=0

Texas Stadium

http://static.flickr.com/75/189327515_61e094e88e.jpg?v=1152961474

FedEx Field

http://static.flickr.com/121/291588391_4ab4afcfca.jpg?v=0

Lincoln Financial Field

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/71/Philly_(45).JPG/800px-Philly_(45).JPG

Cleveland Browns Stadium

http://static.flickr.com/24/48164336_b7c94e8f1c.jpg?v=0

Qwest Field

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Qwest_Field.jpg

Ford Field

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/Ford-Field-September-10-2006.jpg/800px-Ford-Field-September-10-2006.jpg

Qualcomm Stadium

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f2/Qualcomm-Stadium.800.jpg

Monster Park

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/MonsterPark_SF_2005-08-26.jpg/800px-MonsterPark_SF_2005-08-26.jpg

:okay:;)

Here's some pics of Soldier Field so you may make a better informed decision.

http://www.frontrowking.com/football/images/soldier_field.jpg

http://www.greenroofs.org/img/grhc2004_aerial-2003-11b.jpg

http://www.greenroofs.org/img/grhc2004_nps-stadium-2.jpg

http://www.greenroofs.org/img/grhc2004_soldier_field1_medium.jpg

http://www.greenroofs.org/img/grhc2004_soldier_field2_medium.jpg

http://mall.ballparks.com/images/AV57.jpg

http://cgi.blackswanart.com/images/Soldier%20Field%20copy.jpg

Lambeau Field is my number one especially if you include history, tradition and that kind of stuff.

invesco is awesome
phoenix
paul brown
reliant
soldier field


all fantastic venues

:lol:


some other bad names

American Airlines Arena

Pizza Hut Park

Minute Maid Stadium

Pro Player Stadium


i think in ice hockey, Nashville's rink is called "Gaylord Entertainment Center."



Or maybe it's "Gaylord recreation center"



Either way.... :lol:



Ali G would have a great time making fun of that . Gaylord entertainment was actually the people behind The Nashville Network or TNN , they are also involved in the grand ole opry and opry land theme park .

any pics of the new stadium? wasn't there a thread already on this stadium? can they be merged?

the new Grêmio stadium will be called probably either GERDAU ARENA MONUMENTAL (Gerdau is a local steel company), WAL MART ARENA (agh... WAL MART... yes... they are trying to get stronger in Brazil and specially enter my state) or PHILLIPS ARENA.

Sincerely, I kinda like GERDAU ARENA (the owner of Gerdau, Jorge Johanpetter Gerdau, is actually a counsellor of the football (soccer) club, cuz as you know, in soccer, the teams are usually CLUBS, not companies or franchises) and also the Phillips Arena. I even like Phillips Logo, and their colors are white and blue... add a bit of black and it will have the same colors as the team!!!

http://www.uksoccershop.com/images/gremio_home_2005.jpg

You cant be serious... dick's sporting goods park?

tell me you are joking?

I must say you Americans are blessed when it comes to quality stadia's but here's a few stadiums that I believe deserve a little more credit...

Cleveland Browns Stadium
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/ohio/cleveland_browns1.jpg

FedEx Field Stadium in Landover
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/maryland/landover_fedex1.jpg

Bank of America Stadium in Charlotte
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/north_carolina/charlotte_ericsson1.jpg

Seattle
Tampa
Phoenix
Houston
Denver

oh my

Prudential Ctr, where the Devils will move to, has just been topped out.

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/2338/oneshotimageoo6.jpg

Atlantic Yards plan gets final approval

BY BART JONES AND MELISSA MANSFIELD
Newsday Staff Writers

Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver and Gov. George Pataki reached an agreement Wednesday clearing the way for a giant, $4-billion project that would reshape part of Brooklyn with office towers, apartment buildings and an 18,000-seat basketball arena hosting the New Jersey Nets.

The leaders agreed to move ahead with the 22-acre Atlantic Yards project after months of debate that pitted residents who fear destruction of Brooklyn's brownstone environment against officials and developers who believe it will create thousands of jobs.

The approval means "we can build critically needed housing, including affordable housing, new community facilities, grand open spaces and increase economic development all across Brooklyn," Pataki said. He added that he looks forward "to eating a hot dog as I watch the Brooklyn Nets play in Brooklyn's new arena in the 2009-2010 season."...

Source: Here! (http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/am-yards1221,0,6847972.story)

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A departure from the entryways found at most other arenas, it appears they have instead put larger entrances in, eliminating the need for the smaller entryways spaced at every section:

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g231/mrfusion1/BA3-1.jpg
ForestCityRatner Co

This and other images regarding the arena and Atlantic Yards project may be found on the aforementioned article link.

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Thats very intreasting, didn't notice that at first. I wonder what the logic is behind such a set up. It still looks like it has a good number of exits.

I've just heard about this arena, and did a search, and can't find anything substantial on SSC. I've found plenty of info on google, but I'd really like to find more pics. Is there a thread about it? Can anyone find a good resource for it? It looks beautiful.

Ah, it's called "AA Center", not Arena. sorry about that. Mods, please feel free to delete this thread. I've managed to find what I need.

Thats very intreasting, didn't notice that at first. I wonder what the logic is behind such a set up. It still looks like it has a good number of exits.

creates the impression of a larger crowd with a mass of people... IMO....
This new arena will unfortunately force MSG to do a major rennovation, or a complete build...... sad.... :(

Poor Lil Richard.......

What does it look like now?

http://www.osuconstruction.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/Aug_11%2C_2006_%28Pano%29.jpg

The stadium will hold 53000 seats when it is complete.

The building at the end zone is a basketball arena.

I thought they would be much further along than that. Is is supposed to be done by Sept?

Either way, that will be a badass stadium.

I thought they would be much further along than that. Is is supposed to be done by Sept?

Either way, that will be a badass stadium.

The luxury boxes are done this year. The end zone will be done by Sept 2008.

Looks like the same stage that UT's stadium is, so the two year thing makes total sense.

That and the Gaylord Family Stadium for the Sooners are definitely some top-notch names for venues :D

That is a shame.

Naming a stadium after a company does the opposite affect of what it is intended to do. People are turned off by the company. I myself refuse to buy any of these companies' products in spite of the whole thing.

I would rather have the Nets stay in the Meadowlands or move to Newark with Devils rather than play in Brooklyn where people used to live.

Lambeau Field, Green Bay, Wisconsin

http://images.packers.com/images/wallpaper/dt040807_8_1024.jpg

http://domains.brizzo.com/packerscentral/wallpaper/dt040807_3_1024.jpg

http://www.trahern.net/440AW_Lambeau_Field.jpg

I would rather have the Nets stay in the Meadowlands or move to Newark with Devils rather than play in Brooklyn where people used to live.

Ideally the Nets should move to Newark and hook up with the devils. There is no reasons this region needs FOUR 19, 000 seats arenas !!! (FIVE if the Brendan Byre Anrena is not torn down).

Ideally the Nets should move to Newark and hook up with the devils. There is no reasons this region needs FOUR 19, 000 seats arenas !!! (FIVE if the Brendan Byre Anrena is not torn down).
It sounds excessive out of the context of a 22 million person population that makes up the New York metropolitain area.

With MSG V, Brooklyn Nets Arena, Prudential Center [Newark Arena] and a completely renovated Nassau Coliseum, it sounds as if Brendan Byrne would make a good conversion to an all indoor concert venue.

From Wikipedia:
Continental Airlines Arena frequently is cited near the bottom of arena polls. It is commonly referred to as "cold and dull" in appearance, as well as being "cavernous". Recently, USA Today rated it the worst NBA arena. This has played a role in the Nets' and Devils' plans to vacate the arena. In an attempt to remain on par with the features of most modern arenas, circular LED rings were just installed on the facing of the upper level. The arena is also criticized for funneling both levels of the arena into one, crowded concourse. On the other hand, the arena is generally well-regarded for concerts, with its good sightlines and relatively good acoustics; the cavernous nature here can add to the drama of a top show.

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It would make sense to convert the place to a permanent indoor concert venue/tradeshow place..... Absolutely no need for FIVE indoor arenas in this region..... Even FOUR is pushing it IMO.

Is NYC a worldly sports capital ??


Care to take a stab at NYC? But we have to make 1 point established? Does NYC include the NYC region (which is parts of 3 states), or just NYC city limits proper ?

NYC region gives NYC a chance. NYC city limits does not.

NYC city limits:
Yankee Stadium - 56, 000
Shea Stadium - 55, 000
USTA (US Open Tennis) - Aurthur Ashe Stadium - 23, 000 (not sure about the other courts)
Madison Square Garden - 18,200 (ice hockey), 20, 000 (concerts)

Future:
Brooklyn basketball arena - 19, 000
Yankee Stadium - 50, 000
Mets Stadium - 45, 000




NYC Region:
Yankee Stadium - 56, 000
Shea Stadium - 55, 000
USTA Aurthure Ashe Stadium - 23, 000
Madison Square Garden - 19, 000
Nassau Colliseum - 17, 000
Giants Stadium - 80, 000
Rutgers Stadium - 45, 000
Brendan Byrne Arena - 20, 000
Yale Bowl - 64, 000


Future:
New Yankee Stadium - 50, 000
New Mets Stadium - 45, 000
Brooklyn Arena - 19, 000
New Nassau Colliseum - 19, 000
Newark Arena - 18, 000
Harison Stadium - 25, 000
New Giants Stadium - 83, 000


Total by 2010:
New Yankee Stadium - 50, 000
New Mets Stadium - 45, 000
Madison Square Garden IV - 19, 000
Aurthure Ashe Stadium - 23, 000
New Brooklyn Arena - 19, 000
New Nassau Colliseum - 19, 000
New Giants Stadium - 83, 000
New Newark Arena - 18, 000
New Harrison Stadium - 25, 000
Rutgers Stadium - 45, 000
Yale Bowl - 65, 000
Belmont Park - 200, 000
Aqueduct Track - 90, 000
Meadowlands Racetrack - 40, 000
Yonkers Raceway - 50, 000

That is a shame.

Naming a stadium after a company does the opposite affect of what it is intended to do. People are turned off by the company. I myself refuse to buy any of these companies' products in spite of the whole thing.

If only we were all like you.
In principle I hate it. However, if a company that I like sponsors a team or league that I like, I will be more abt to fork over some $.
However if I don't like the company, it doesn't matter who or what they sponsor.

It sounds excessive out of the context of a 22 million person population that makes up the New York metropolitain area.

With MSG V, Brooklyn Nets Arena, Prudential Center [Newark Arena] and a completely renovated Nassau Coliseum, it sounds as if Brendan Byrne would make a good conversion to an all indoor concert venue.

From Wikipedia:


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If you were looking at the attendance figures of the NBA and ESPN.com, the Nets actually went up about seven spots last season on average.

#1 QWest: Deafening fans, amazing soundsystem, excellent setting. Was part of the halftime performance for yesterdays playoff game. My few minutes on the sideline were enough to convince me it's #1
http://i.cnn.net/si/images/football/nfl/stadiums/seahawks.jpg

#2 Reliant: nice freakin stadium
http://www.johnnyroadtrip.com/cities/houston/images/reliantrightendzone.jpg

#3 Soldier Field
http://football.ballparks.com/NFL/ChicagoBears/newaerial.jpg

#4 Gillette
http://www.floridasoundmasking.com/americansoundmasking/images/gilette_72.jpg

#5 FedEx: So there's only 8+ games a year and lots of people wanting to go to NFL games. At 91,665 it deserves more credit as a top stadium.
http://imagesource.art.com/images/-/FedEx-Field-Washington-Redskins--C10208102.jpeg

followed by
#6 Paul Brown (CIN)
#7 Arrowhead (KC) Old, but coolest shape and fans are close to game
#8 UofP (AZ) Excellent facility, horrible location. When will Phoenix learn?
#9 M&T Bank (BAL)
#10 Heinz (PIT)

-sorry Eagles, Lincoln Financial seems like a rip off of Paul Brown. + I like PB more.
-sorry Lions. Nice venue but football's meant for the outdoors. If you're gonna thrown tons of money into the stadium, at least put on a retractable roof.
-sorry Denver and Green Bay. I just ran out of room. I like both though.

#1 Reliant
#2 Qwest
#3 Cleveland Browns
#4 Paul Brown
#5 Lambeau
#6 Bank of America
#7 Heinz
#8 University of Phoenix
#9 Li Fi
#10 Ford

This poll will only be of use to North Americans but of the old time areanas/stadiums do you think were the best or most iconic?


BEST for the NHL -
BEST for the NBA -
BEST OVERALL -

Post some pics of the old stadiums as well if you got em'.

MOTREAL FORUM
MALPLE LEAFS GARDEN
CHICAGO STADIUM
BOSTON GARDEN
MADISON SQUARE GARDEN (prior versions included)

This poll will only be of use to North Americans but of the old time areanas/stadiums do you think were the best or most iconic?


BEST for the NHL -
BEST for the NBA -
BEST OVERALL -

Post some pics of the old stadiums as well if you got em'.

MOTREAL FORUM
MALPLE LEAFS GARDEN
CHICAGO STADIUM
BOSTON GARDEN
MADISON SQUARE GARDEN (prior versions included)

Most historic overall has to be the Los Angeles Colliseum. Two Olympic games, home of the USC Trojans, original home of the Rams, then the Raiders, site of multiple superbowls, home of the 1959 world series champion Dodgers. Is there any other stadium in the world that has been site of the Olympics, Superbowl, World series champions, and NCAA champions?
http://www.mindspring.com/~jbeven/lacol.jpg

Most historic arena is Madison Square Garden I, II, III, IV.
Though just for 1 sport (hockey), either Maple Leafe Gardens or Montreal Forum.

If you were looking at the attendance figures of the NBA and ESPN.com, the Nets actually went up about seven spots last season on average.

The Nets would probably sell out in Bklyn. However, the true test is going to see who lives in Bklyn and remains loyal to the Knicks.

For hockey I'd have to go with the Montreal Forum.

Most historic overall has to be the Los Angeles Colliseum. Two Olympic games, home of the USC Trojans, original home of the Rams, then the Raiders, site of multiple superbowls, home of the 1959 world series champion Dodgers. Is there any other stadium in the world that has been site of the Olympics, Superbowl, World series champions, and NCAA champions?

I'd guess no, but considering all but one of those events are purely American, it's really not that much of a feat.

And the LAC is not an indoor arena, it is an outdoor stadium.

I'd guess no, but considering all but one of those events are purely American, it's really not that much of a feat.

And the LAC is not an indoor arena, it is an outdoor stadium.

What he said ^^

NBA arena favourite for me is the old Chicago Stadium, or MSG I guess.

NHL arena? Calgary Saddledome!!

Again...Maple Leafs Gardens:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/25/92965398_3032df3f80.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/53/117650436_71811df7fc.jpg?v=0

I'd guess no, but considering all but one of those events are purely American, it's really not that much of a feat.

And the LAC is not an indoor arena, it is an outdoor stadium.

I would consider TWO OLympics to represent at least two international events. And the question was arena/stadium not just arena. But give me another stadium that has a more impressive record for "international" events.

sorry svs, the orginal question was just meant to be arena sorry if it wasn't clear.

Great pic ChoCho. The MLG looks like a beauty. I give kudos to Toronto for not tearing it down. Are there some good photos of the inside for us all to see as well?

I would consider TWO OLympics to represent at least two international events. And the question was arena/stadium not just arena. But give me another stadium that has a more impressive record for "international" events.

The Olympic Stadium in Germany has staged World Cup finals and the Olympic games, in addition to various European finals.

The Olympic Stadium in Germany has staged World Cup finals and the Olympic games, in addition to various European finals.

I'm not sure if you are referring to the Olympic stadium in Berlin associated with Hitler's Olympics or in Munich associated with the Massacre of the Israeli Olympic team but I have to admit they are both loaded with history albeit of an unfortunate kind. I don't think European finals are any more historic than American championships such as the world series and the Superbowl.

I would still give props to the LA Colliseum, since it hosted the first Superbowl, and was also the site of John F. Kennedy's acceptance speech as the Democratic presidential nominee in 1960 where he first used the term "New Frontier". Its a matter of opinion I guess. And the initiator of this thread has now decided he really wasn't talking about stadia anyway.

And it was supposed to be limited to N. A. stadiums. I think that was supposed to mean North American but I guess it could stand for "Nazi Associated". j/k

#1 QWest: Deafening fans, amazing soundsystem, excellent setting. Was part of the halftime performance for yesterdays playoff game. My few minutes on the sideline were enough to convince me it's #1
http://i.cnn.net/si/images/football/nfl/stadiums/seahawks.jpg

#2 Reliant: nice freakin stadium
http://www.johnnyroadtrip.com/cities/houston/images/reliantrightendzone.jpg

#3 Soldier Field
http://football.ballparks.com/NFL/ChicagoBears/newaerial.jpg

#4 Gillette
http://www.floridasoundmasking.com/americansoundmasking/images/gilette_72.jpg

#5 FedEx: So there's only 8+ games a year and lots of people wanting to go to NFL games. At 91,665 it deserves more credit as a top stadium.
http://imagesource.art.com/images/-/FedEx-Field-Washington-Redskins--C10208102.jpeg

followed by
#6 Paul Brown (CIN)
#7 Arrowhead (KC) Old, but coolest shape and fans are close to game
#8 UofP (AZ) Excellent facility, horrible location. When will Phoenix learn?
#9 M&T Bank (BAL)
#10 Heinz (PIT)

-sorry Eagles, Lincoln Financial seems like a rip off of Paul Brown. + I like PB more.
-sorry Lions. Nice venue but football's meant for the outdoors. If you're gonna thrown tons of money into the stadium, at least put on a retractable roof.
-sorry Denver and Green Bay. I just ran out of room. I like both though.

Deafening fans? Nope. Yes it's the loudest stadium in the NFL, but that's only because Billionaire owner Paul Allen had engineers find out a way for the stadium to reflect noise so it becomes louder than any other stadium. It is a beautiful stadium though. If you want rabid fans, go to the college games...hell you're from Eugene, you must go to Ducks games.

Rose Bowl.

The Rose Bowl isn't an ARENA!!!

Alright, alright...

Rose Bowl.

Don't feel bad. It looks like they changed the rules midcontest.

I don't think European finals are any more historic than American championships such as the world series and the Superbowl.

Are you saying the final of an American sporting league is as widely watched/popular than the final of a continental tournament of the world's game? :ohno:

Philadelphias stadium is colossal. or at least it looks colossal.

Most NFL stadiums are about the same size, usually from about 65,000 to 75,000 people. Some exceptions are Giants stadium at about 80,000, Fed Ex field at over 90,000, and the RCA Dome in Indy at less than 60,000. College stadiums are built to hold 80,000-110,000 people on a regular basis because of all the cheap tickets (at some schools students get in free) and no blackout restrictions. If an NFL team doesnt sell out, the team's games arent televised in the local market, this didnt happen alot this year, but Phoenix and New Orleans used to have lots of problems with this. Only a handfull of teams would even dare build stadiums with a capacity larger than 80,000.

My top ten:

Arrowhead and Lambeau for the history and atmosphere
Reliant and University of Phoenix Stadium are just awesome and they look really modern, so does Paul Brown stadium, Invesco Field, and Lincoln Financial Field
I like Solider Field's blend of a modern and classic look
I like the way they built Qwest Field in seattle so that it would hold all the noise in.
Ford Field looks really nice for a dome

Really so many nice stadiums are going up in the NFL, a stadium like Bank of America Stad. in Charlotte, which was state of the art when it was built in 1996, is kinda boring now. The new stadiums in Dallas and Indianapolis will just raise the bar.

However the worst NFL stadiums are Moster Park, not only is it ugly, but I hear its awful to watch a game there because its so cold and windy (and the niners arent that good), Fed-Ex field is a monstrosity which has the Redskin's ugly colors everywhere, the Georgia Dome looks like a circus tent, and the Metrodome and the RCA dome just look so artificial and old, while Reliant and UofP stadium are indoors, they just dont scream dome at you like the Metrodome and the RCA dome.

wtf, look at all the parking spots.

Its in the middle of nowhere, theres very little public transportation available to and from the site, and in American football, you show up early and tailgate in the parking lot.

Dolphins stadium needed a renovation, its okay as is but not great, but once the baseball team leaves they can get rid of the baseball field, add some modern amenities, and add a roof. In South Florida rain is very sporadic and unpredictable, so having a retractable roof would be nice, a roof is almost useless in some areas of the US, but not in SoFla.

And the Orange bowl needs to be torn down and the Hurricanes move to a decent stadium. For a program with so much prestige UMiami awful attendence.

There is a great deal of ignorance about LA showing up on the London thread. It seem a little inappropriate to post these photos of some of the Los Angeles Areas sports facilities on that thread, so I am opening a new one showing what our city has to offer. This is not city vs, city. I recognize that London is a great sporting capital, I just want to show that Southern California has a lot to offer as well. There is a reason that we have hosted two Olympic games, the World cup, the FIFA women's championships, etc.

UCLA Bruins Pasadena Rose Bowl Stadium 92 542 1922 all-seater host of the World cup and BSC championships.
http://boifromtroy.com/archives/rose%20bowl%20aerial.jpg

Race-use Fontana California Speedway 92 109 1997 all-seater
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/california/fontana_speedway2.jpg

USC Trojans Los Angeles L.A. Memorial Coliseum 92 000 1923 all-seater. To my knowledge, the only stadium to host two Olympic game opening and closing ceremonies as well as track and field competitions, the World Series and the Superbowl including the first superbowl.
http://www.jgminc.com/Images/Civic/Memorial_Col/Memorial_Col%20copy.jpg

Horse-Racing use Arcadia Santa Anita Park 85 000 1934 26 000 home of Seabiscuit.
http://www.oaktreeracing.com/i/santaanita.jpghttp://horseracing.about.com/library/graphics/BuenaVistaWins.jpg

L.A. Dodgers Los Angeles Dodger Stadium 56 000 1962 all-seater Over the past fifty years no MLB team has out drawn the Dodgers.
http://www.geocities.com/los_angeles_coast/Los_Angeles_Dodger_Stadium_Aerial2.jpg

L.A. Angels of Anaheim Anaheim Angel Stadium 45 050 1966 all-seater
http://www.ballparks.com/baseball/american/anahei70.jpg

Horse racing Hollywood Park 80,000
http://home.earthlink.net/~orngaclorngio/Hollywood%20Park%20450x300.JPG

Los Angeles Galaxy and Chivas Carson Home Depot Center 27 000 2003 all-seater Beckam's new home. Site of FIFA women's championships.
http://www.homedepotcentertickets.com/images/home-depot-center.gif
The English team celebrating their win in the 2005 IRS Soccer 7's held in Los Angeles.

Horse racing and auto racing Pomona Fairplex Park 10,000
http://www.nhra.com/events/1999/race1/pomona.jpg
http://lacountyfair.com/fp/horseracing/images/pic2hr.jpg

East L.A. College Los Angeles Weingart Stadium 22 355 1951 all-seater

horseracing Los Alamitos Racetrack 19,000
http://www.ci.cypress.ca.us/community_develpmnt/redevelopment/images/race_track.jpg

Los Angeles Lakers, Clippers, Kings and Sparks Los Angeles STAPLES Center 19 060 1999 all-seater
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/pho/AAGK194~Staples-Center-04-Playoffs-Photofile-Posters.jpg

Basketball, hockey Los Angeles Sports Area 20,000
http://hockey.ballparks.com/NHL/LosAngelesKings/oldfront.gif

Fabulous forum Inglewood former home of Lakers 19,000
http://www.mindspring.com/~jbeven/lagwf.jpg

Anaheim Ducks Anaheim Honda Center 17 174 1993 all-seater
http://www.vanguard.edu/uploadedImages/PR/vtour/pond.jpg

Hilmer Lodge Stadium Mt. San Antonio College track and field 15,000
http://www.ksak.com/images/scrapbook/football/fb02.jpg

UCLA Bruins Los Angeles Pauley Pavilion 12 800 1965 all-seater
http://www.recreation.ucla.edu/site_images/PauleyGame.jpg

Los Angeles Swimming Stadium used for 1932 OLympics.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/CCR/images/ss.gif

UCLA Los Angeles Tennis center 5,800
http://www.lakertickets.com/ucla.jpg

Long Beach Ice Dogs Long Beach Long Beach Arena 11 200 1962 all-seater
http://home.earthlink.net/~lbpac/lalbarena_other.jpg

UCLA Drake Stadium Track and Field 11,000
http://www.trackshark.com/photos/2005/pac10/slides/05%20PAC-10%20DRAKE%20STADIUM2%20KL.JPG

USC Trojans Los Angeles Galen Center 10 258 2006 all-seater
http://graphics.fansonly.com/schools/usc/graphics/facilities/galen-interior.jpg

Fullerton State Titans Fullerton Titan Stadium 10 000 1992 all-seater
http://www.netitor.com/photos/schools/csfu/galleries/facilities_2006/newtitanstadium-lg.jpg

USC MacDonald's swimming center used to host 1984 OLympics
http://static.flickr.com/40/83286863_a9b7fd8d44_m.jpg

Citrus stadium Citrus college football 10,000

Long Beach Grand Prix
http://cms.longbeach.gov/aboutlb/gallery/images/tourism_granprix_lrg.jpg

Santa Ana Dons Santa Ana Santa Ana Bowl Eddie West Field 8 500 - all-seater
http://virtualglobetrotting.com/thumb/1/2/12405.gif

Tennis-Carson The Home Depot Center 8 000 2003 all-seater
The tennis stadium is the smaller of the two facilities. The other is the soccer stadium.
http://www.jpmorganchaseopen.com/images/homedepot_photo.jpg

Basketball-use Anaheim Convention Center 7 400 1967 all-seater
http://www.ronsaari.com/stockImages/googie/anaheimConventionCenter.jpg

Indoor Sports/wrestling Los Angeles Grand Olympic Auditorium 7 007 1932 all-seater
http://www.socaluncensored.com/hof/grandoly.jpg

Orange County Crush Costa Mesa Fairgrounds G'stand Arena 7 000 - all-seater

S.M. College Corsairs Santa Monica Corsair Stadium 6 600 1955 all-seater
http://www.smmirror.com/volume2/issue21/images/smc_football3.jpg

R. Cucamonga Quakes R. Cucamonga The Epicenter 6 570 1993 all-seater
http://www.citivu.com/rc/city/epicntr1.jpg

Multi-use Los Angeles Shrine Auditorium 6 300 1926 -
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/6/61/Postcard-ca-los-angeles-shrine-auditorium.jpg

Azusa Pacific Cougar Stadium
http://www.combines.com/images/apu_cougar_stadium.jpg

Multi-use Pico Rivera Pico Rivera Sports Arena 6 250 1978 all-seater
Mexican style rodeo
http://www.decharros.com/images/adt/may06/rafa_pial.jpg

Multi-use Universal City Gibson Amphitheatre 6 092 1972 all-seater
http://www.hob.com/pics/venues/common/gibson_140.gif

Valley College Monarchs Studio City Monarch Stadium 6 000 1951 all-seater
http://www.lavc.edu/Athletics/images/stripe.jpg

Bren events center Irvine basketball, volleyball 5,000
http://www.topviewsoftware.com/shared/Top%20View%20-%20Roofing%20Software%20for%20Professionals%20images/BREN-center.gif

Cal Poly Pomona Kellogg gymnasium basketball 4,700

Polo at Will Rogers Park
http://www.laestatehomes.com/images/community_photos/polo_players.jpg

Montclair Cavaliers Montclair Montclair H.S. Stadium 5 000 - all-seater

USA CSUSB Coyotes San Bernardino Arrowhead Credit Union Park 5 000 1996 -
Inland Empire 66ers San Bernardino Arrowhead Credit Union Park 5 000 1996 -
http://athletics.csusb.edu/images/facilities/facilities-arrowheadpark2.jpg

Long Beach State 49ers Long Beach Walter Pyramid 5 000 1994 all-seater
http://www.doshinmartialarts.com/pyramid1.jpg

L.A. Golden Eagles Los Angeles Jesse Owens Stadium 5 000 - all-seater

Northridge State Matadors Northridge Matador Track Stadium 5 000 - nil
http://www.csun.edu/outreach/images/field.jpg

Los Angeles Equestrian Center Equidome 4,000
http://www.woodlandoaksranch.com/images/LA-Preview-Equidome-LAHSA-RD-1-Jr-Sr.Thur-Nov10-05DSC_1580.jpg

Gersten Pavilion, LMU Volleyball, basketball, gymnastics, etc, 4,500
http://mirrorimageorigin.collegepublisher.com/media/paper803/stills/4r065603.gif

Home depot Velodrome cycling 2,500
http://www.stadia.tv/archive/images/HomeDepotVelodrome.jpg

Santa Monica City College Aquatic Center
http://www.smc.edu/standard/images_04/smc_pool.jpg

X-games Los Angeles
http://www.skatelog.com/photos/xgames/2004/summer/venue-1091757440-400x219.jpg

Beach Volleyball Championships Hermosa Beach
http://www.hermosawave.net/net/AVP98/sunday/lewisswatik.jpg

Competitive Bodybuilding at Muscle Beach Venice
http://p.vtourist.com/1757188-Venice_Muscle_Beach-Venice.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/subjiminal/ran/IMG_0076.jpg

sailing facilities and marinas
http://www.sailtimechannelislands.com/Resources/boatsb.jpeg

and of course, there are the surfing beaches and competitions
http://www.jellyfishproductions.net/sitebuilder/images/TimC4-395x268.jpg

And of course there are more than 50 golf courses, the one below is the Trump National course that over looks the Pacific. How many big cities can match that!
http://images.usatoday.com/money/_photos/2004/09/10/trump-golfcourse.jpg

Mountain High Ski Resort. Yes there is skiing within Los Angeles County.
http://www.skipressworld.com/images/daily_news/2005/07/ski%20press%20-%20mt.%20high.jpg

With all respect to London, Paris, Moscow, Athens, Melbourne, and all the other great world sporting centers, I believe that we can hold our own with any city.

Very impressive thread :)

Cool!

UAU!

very nicely done. i would also like to point out that Los Angeles would be second only to the USA in Olympic Medals. thats how many atheletes are from Los Angeles. UCLA, USC are juggernauts in athletics and the LA area has more players in the NBA, MLB, NFL than any other city.

Architectually, I can't see many stunners but this is certainly a very impressive list when looking at capacities and Los Angeles - in regards to stadia - can easily be classified as a world sporting capital.

Here are a few more pics...

Staples Center

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/staplescenter.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/SouthPark_Staples.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/downtown_staples.jpg

inside Home Depot

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/HomeDepot2.jpg

inside Dodger Stadium

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/Dodger_Stadium.jpg

inside Angel Stadium

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/Angel_Stadium.gif
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/ana_photo.jpg

Outside historical peristyle of Colosieum

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/300px-Los_Angeles_Memorial_Coliseum.jpg

inside the Honda Center (formerly the Pond)

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/31arrowheadpond.jpg

Mount Baldy

10,000 foot plus mountain peaks and snowboarding/skiing, 45 minutes from DT LA

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/baldy.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/Mt.jpg

Here are some pics of our resorts in Big Bear, as well as some of our surfing.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/ss1.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/SS.gif
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/BM.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/Surf2.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/Surf.jpg

Why can't the Hurricans just groundshare with the Dolphins?

Hurricanes on Sat, Fins on Sunday

And that stadium would have looked fantastic with a roof over the stands. No need for a full enclosure. It's football and soccer, not baseball.

ANyone know anything about the new Randalls Island stadium? Icahn field ?

Great Thread! ;)

Good on ya svs! This thread is probably what should have happened in the first place.

Before 1962 where did the Dodgers play? And also, before the had moved from Brooklyn(195?) did LA have a baseball team?

Do I understand well that LA could hold Olympic wintergames as well??? ski area??? stunning, never thought that of LA (LA makes me think of beaches and stuff but allright then!)

P.S. impressive list!

american stadiums are damn ugly and backwards, hardly they have nice transparent roofs like the european and japanese stadiums.

american stadiums are damn ugly and backwards, hardly they have nice transparent roofs like the european and japanese stadiums.

They might not have transparent roofs but transparent roofs dont pay for tickets and fill the stands. transparent roofs dont pay rent as a long tern tenant and transparent roofs dont win championships.

Los Angeles has plenty of tickets sold for probably the widest selection of sports a city has anywheres in the world. And they dont need transparent roofs to
sell tickets.

jim jones

Good on ya svs! This thread is probably what should have happened in the first place.

Before 1962 where did the Dodgers play? And also, before the had moved from Brooklyn(195?) did LA have a baseball team?

The LA Dodgers played at the LA memorial coliseum from 1958 to 1962. Three games of the 1959 world series were played in the coliseum with over 92,706 per game. The 1959 MLB all-star game was played there. team hanging dodgers stadium constructed. The highest attendance for a baseball game in the western hemisphere was between the new york yankees and the LA dodgers at 93,103 . FYI the largest attendance for a baseball games was at the melbourne cricket grounds in the late 1800's.

LA had minor league teams who played at field owned by the Wrigley crewing gum family who owned the Chicago cubs. The california angels started as a minor league team. When the Dodgers arrived in LA the minor league team was colapsed and then granted an American League franchise in an expansion of that division of major league baseball in 1961. The American league angels played in wrigley field (los angeles) for 1961 and then shared dodger stadium from 1962 to 1966 when anahein stadium was opened.

jim jones

Do I understand well that LA could hold Olympic wintergames as well??? ski area??? stunning, never thought that of LA (LA makes me think of beaches and stuff but allright then!)

P.S. impressive list!

I think it actually could though we would have to construct the ski jumps, luge and bobsled facilities. LA probably has more arenas capable of hosting an Olympic sized ice rink than any other city I know. There is an Olympic skating training facility currently in place at Lake Arrowhead, and many of the best American Olympic skaters Michelle Kwan, Sasha Cohen, etc. are from LA/OC.

Do I understand well that LA could hold Olympic wintergames as well??? ski area??? stunning, never thought that of LA (LA makes me think of beaches and stuff but allright then!)

P.S. impressive list!

I think it actually could though we would have to construct the ski jumps, luge and bobsled facilities. LA probably has more arenas capable of hosting an Olympic sized ice rink than any other city I know. There is an Olympic skating training facility currently in place at Lake Arrowhead, and many of the best American Olympic skaters Michelle Kwan, Sasha Cohen, etc. are from LA/OC.

PS. As I write this route 5 out of town is closed because of snow.

The English team celebrating their win in the 2005 IRS Soccer 7's held in Los Angeles.

Um, the England team won the 2006 IRB Rugby 7s in Los Angeles - is that what you meant?

Yes, forgive the typos, I was tired when I posted. Just pointing out another international event for the Brits who refuse to believe anything of importance exists more than ten miles from the Thames.

I think it actually could though we would have to construct the ski jumps, luge and bobsled facilities. LA probably has more arenas capable of hosting an Olympic sized ice rink than any other city I know. There is an Olympic skating training facility currently in place at Lake Arrowhead, and many of the best American Olympic skaters Michelle Kwan, Sasha Cohen, etc. are from LA/OC.

PS. As I write this route 405 out of town is closed because of snow.


SVS also to be mentioned with winter sports and LA is Ontario, California is currently constructing an ice hockey arena of 10,000 seats with the Anschultz group managing the the arena. That is 6 ice hockey arenas with over 10 k of seating a piece in a place that is known for being a sunbelt city with a desert in the region. Of course two are not currently active with tenants in Ice Hockey, LA Memorial Arena and The LA Forum.

The problem I can see with hosting the winter games would be vertical drop for the downhill sking event and Cross country skiing would be out and that is a big part of the games. Ski jumps , bobsleds runs and indoor speed skating ovals are usually built even by northern cities for a winter olympics.

With the number of ice hockey arenas of 10k capacity being greater in number then Vancouver or most Canadian cities for number but not per capita I cant see too much of a problem . Speed skating has gone indoors and LA is more then capable to handle building a facility.
Considering LA is the one of only two metro areas with two NHL franchises it is a testament to the popularity of the game when you also have long beach with a minor league team. LA with one NHL franchise(the ducks of anaheim) as exclusive sports tenant the Honda Center shows the strength as well.
Hey maybe route 405 could be the cross country ski venue LOL

jim jones

SVS also to be mentioned with winter sports and LA is Ontario, California is currently constructing an ice hockey arena of 10,000 seats with the Anschultz group managing the the arena. That is 6 ice hockey arenas with over 10 k of seating a piece in a place that is known for being a sunbelt city with a desert in the region. Of course two are not currently active with tenants in Ice Hockey, LA Memorial Arena and The LA Forum.

The problem I can see with hosting the winter games would be vertical drop for the downhill sking event and Cross country skiing would be out and that is a big part of the games. Ski jumps , bobsleds runs and indoor speed skating ovals are usually built even by northern cities for a winter olympics.

With the number of ice hockey arenas of 10k capacity being greater in number then Vancouver or most Canadian cities for number but not per capita I cant see too much of a problem . Speed skating has gone indoors and LA is more then capable to handle building a facility.
Considering LA is the one of only two metro areas with two NHL franchises it is a testament to the popularity of the game when you also have long beach with a minor league team. LA with one NHL franchise(the ducks of anaheim) as exclusive sports tenant the Honda Center shows the strength as well.
Hey maybe route 405 could be the cross country ski venue LOL

jim jones

Actually there is cross country skiing at Lake Arrowhead about an hour out of downtown. Here's info.http://www.rimnordic.com/Services.html. Mount Baldy has an vertical drop of 2100 feet. http://www.mtbaldy.com/ Shouldn't that be enough?

Didn't know about the hockey arena in Ontario though. Thanks.

There is snow in West LA right now, first time since the 40's. maybe we can have cross country on Wilshire Blvd?

They might not have transparent roofs but transparent roofs dont pay for tickets and fill the stands. transparent roofs dont pay rent as a long tern tenant and transparent roofs dont win championships.

Obsessing with paying for tickets and filling the stands... Signing David Beckham... This way leads to hell.

Out of interest - how are the folks in the US/LA taking the news of Beckham's signing? Personally, I feel Galaxy are crazy paying so much for a bloke who basically stopped playing in 2002 and has been surviving on reputation ever since.

Yes, forgive the typos, I was tired when I posted. Just pointing out another international event for the Brits who refuse to believe anything of importance exists more than ten miles from the Thames.
The majority of brits do actually appreciate that not everything revolves around london, which is more than can be said about the typical tourist visiting us!!

american stadiums are damn ugly and backwards, hardly they have nice transparent roofs like the european and japanese stadiums.

apples to oranges. american football is best played out in the open and most stadiums reflect that. there are a few domed and more recently, retractable roof stadiums but there is nothing like watching a game in an open stadium.

same thing with baseball. there is something wrong watching a baseball game under a roof.

London > LA

Don't get me wrong i hate gits but that infrastructure is no way near as good as london you d**khead yanks.

PS no one cares about stupid american sports anyway.

apples to oranges. american football is best played out in the open and most stadiums reflect that. there are a few domed and more recently, retractable roof stadiums but there is nothing like watching a game in an open stadium.

same thing with baseball. there is something wrong watching a baseball game under a roof.

I don't believe he was talking about roofs that cover the pitch area - just the supporters... Something about watching a game that takes 3 hours in the pouring rain/snow - I just think it might be more comfortable with a roof above you. The players can get cold and wet, they're getting paid for it.

And staying with British invented sports.
etc
etc

Pitty your not any good at them.

London > LA

Don't get me wrong i hate gits but that infrastructure is no way near as good as london you d**khead yanks.

PS no one cares about stupid american sports anyway.

Webbie = shit stirrer

Whats the piont?

perhaps weebie could tell us who "gits" are?

The VIII Olympic Winter Games were held in Squaw Valley, California in 1960. While not in Los Angeles, it is in California (near Lake Tahoe). I can't think of any other state or province that has hosted TWO Summer Games AND a Winter Games!

http://www.olympic.org/upload/games/1960W_poster_b.jpg

Heck while we're counting, the USA has hosted EIGHT Olympic Games!
St. Louis, MO-Summer 1904
Los Angeles, CA-Summer 1932
Lake Placid, NY-Winter 1932
Squaw Valley, CA-Winter 1960
Lake Placid, NY-Winter 1980
Los Angeles, CA-Summer 1984
Atlanta, GA-Summer 1996
Salt Lake City, UT-Winter 2002

Obsessing with paying for tickets and filling the stands... Signing David Beckham... This way leads to hell.

Out of interest - how are the folks in the US/LA taking the news of Beckham's signing? Personally, I feel Galaxy are crazy paying so much for a bloke who basically stopped playing in 2002 and has been surviving on reputation ever since.

Well it may be true of beckham in regards to his play over the last couple of years but somehow that is not stop him from captain for england last year in germany. I know he stepped down of course as his play is not up to it and englands poor showing.
In Regards to his new contract selling 1000 season tickets in LA within hours on top of a strong season tickets sales that franchise already has. I would not doubt that you cant get a season ticket or a game ticket unless you want to go to E bay and pay a fortune.
Most MLS franchises are now selling out the games that the galaxy comes to town right now months before the start of the season and season tickets are becoming the thing to buy if you want to see Beckham every time he comes to town. That means interest money in the bank which is huge. This annoucnements timing is like Celine Dion when she won the Oscar for the titanic song and then sold tickets the next day for her tour 10 months afterwards. The exposure demand provided enough money in interest to pay for production costs on her tour and celine and her husband manager were able to bankroll her next career move in las vegas with a 100 million dollar theatre and production becoming a partner with ceasers casinos .Considering Beckham made the top stories on evening news casts in every local market is another huge thing. Soccer scores in europe are restricted to speciality sports channels and CNN international and the BBC world service in america. The sport media here is reporting on it heavily as well. There is not much talk about what beckham is making as far as the view in europe that it is too much , the talk is that he is coming to north america and what this is going to do for soccer in north america.
They are comparing this with the greatest ice hockey player of all time
Wayne Gretzky coming to the LA kings in the 1980's. That is not lost on the anschultz group as they witnessed it first hand and own the LA kings today along with the LA lakers of the NBA. The gretzky move created the run for sunbelt cities to have NHL hockey and a second franchise in La that to the Former CEO of Disney Michael Eisnor.

Pre Beckham The LA galaxy were on their way to selling all their corporate suites at 65,000 us a pop per year and now they are probably past that. the galaxy also would average about 23,000 people a game for a 27,000 seat stadium pre beckham. The games will be soldout and and there will be the demand for increasing the stadiums seating capacity which they could do on a temporary basis in the end zones with temporary stands. realistically they could increase to probably 35,000 and sell those. Then the additional seating will probably has a price increase and where The Home Depot Center stadium has not built the most seats is the prime location for European soccer fans "the end zones" . Offer up endzone tickets and British EX pats among others in a new plentiful supply would probably have old world soccer fans stratch their heads to why the american born fans want the midfield line LOL.
The Anschultz Group owns the Galaxy and two other clubs, AEG also owns the new stadium in New York for the Red Bull and there is no doubt that MR. billionaire Red Bull knew what he was buying when he paid 100 million us for that franchise to AEG and was in on the beckham deal for knowledge. AEG owned the new york franchise and still will retain 50 percent of stadium revenues in NYC. Then AEG owns the Dallas team.

There is a saying here "one mans junk is another mans treasure" and with the case of Anschultz time will tell what English junk they own will turn out to be treasure David Beckham or the O2 dome in London. David Beckham is the most marketable name in soccer for North America and just as importantly Asia. With talk of Ronaldo coming to the ny red bull you will probably see soccer in north america get a major network deal let alone local deals in both NYC and LA the two largest tv markets on the planet. The sponsorship rights alone on a jersey for beckham
with his asian following would be a gold mine for a FedEX or Samsung for advertizing in the asian market and I could see 10 million a year coming out of those companies for a team with beckham on their squad and a possibility of a live broadcast to japan of a 8 pm start time on a Friday night in LA means a live viewing time of 1 pm Saturday afternoon in Tokyo. With GMT time and Tokyo time you cant have a game time in Europe that suits good Tv times in Asia for live broadcasts. LA and North America you could and I am sure the league will adjust for beckham games even on the east coast of the united states. The attitude with the americans would be who can we please in asia and how do we adjust it . In europe you can do much about your geography and yuo probably wouldnt see that angel anyways or cre about pursueing it LOL. Then you have the exposure of the company that will win that biding war for the jersey sponsorship on Asian TV . I would say out of sponsorship , tv rights and merchantdize sales in america and asia you are probably looking at paying his contract with not much problem with LA alone. Then the rest of the teams including anschultz two other franchises will benefit greatly as well. His

Beckham's is not a play and pay contract. It is a base pay with a share of the increased revenues from all sources that they estimate will be 250 million over 5 years. Beckham is nowheres near over exposed in America and his real exposure in a market place that is worth more from Commerical stand points then western europe has just really begun. Then you throw in Japan and the rest of Asia for good measure.

No Phillip Anschultz didnt get to the point of owning so much in he sports world being a billionaire in the process without having made all the right moves or for lack of great investments. He did start off as a small time music promoter in LA and now is the second largest force in the American concert promotion biz. Sports Venues are just an extension of that biz on top of the soccer which has made him a profit before Beckham in both Dallas and Los Angeles.
My theory is Phil Anschultz will probably sell the Dallas team to a rich texan for between 100 to 150 million dollars still retaining the stadium for a 50 percent revenue share with the new owner. Beckhams 250 million with all that can come to Phil Anschultz is probably a no brainer as he has assets to sell or retain in the league including the LA Galaxy themselves. Beckham may not be a great force in soccer for Europe but he certainly helped to push up Real Madrid's net worth for market valueation. They were at 5th when Beckham signed for value and now they are second behind the club that is first Man U which of course beckham had a hand in their history as well.
Beckham gets a huge payday, a partnership with good business people, a public that is not hostile towards him and his wife and a great place to retire in a coming of years from the field while he has the opportunity to become an actor like the governor of california
.Austrian/ American, Arnold Schwarzenegger did by relocating to California as a body builder.

Beckham is BIG money and that is what sports is in north america. Billionaires have been made out of Millionaires in sports on this side of the Atlantic and Pacific.

jim jones

The Memorial stadium, Bristol has received planning permission today to redevelop their current ground into an 18,000 capacity stadium. The development will include accommodation for 500 students, a 112-bed hotel and a large restaurant. This is great news for Bristol Rovers fc and Bristol Rugby, currently both sharing the ground, as several previous proposals had been rejected. The rejections were due to parking congestion with the new accommodation proposed as the stadium is located in a residential area. The developers solution to this problem was to incorporate student housing where the students will not be permitted to have cars. Both clubs are now looking at grounds to use for next season with Bristol rugby expected to use Ashton gate (home of Bristol city fc). Rovers have a choice between Yeovil and Swindon. The project completion date is expected to be the summer of 2009.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bristol/content/images/2005/10/20/gal1_470x350.jpg

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The Memorial Stadium now 12,000

http://images.skysports.com/images/stadia/96.jpg

Ashton Gate- Bristol Rugby’s temporary new home 15,000 (all seated - capacity reduced due to re-development)

http://members.freezone.co.uk/bcfcband/stadium.jpg

Bristol Rovers options

Either Huish Park, Yeovil 9,400 (Seating 5,212) 42 miles away

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http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/park/yfh45/yeovil2.jpg

Or The County Ground, Swindon 15,700 46 miles away

http://www.kicknrush.com/Kicknrush/IMG/swindon_stade.jpg

http://www.swindontownfc.premiumtv.co.uk/javaImages/c5/61/0,,10341~221637,00.jpg

What are the views on where Bristol Rovers should play?

The VIII Olympic Winter Games were held in Squaw Valley, California in 1960. While not in Los Angeles, it is in California (near Lake Tahoe). I can't think of any other state or province that has hosted TWO Summer Games AND a Winter Games!

http://www.olympic.org/upload/games/1960W_poster_b.jpg

Heck while we're counting, the USA has hosted EIGHT Olympic Games!
St. Louis, MO-Summer 1904
Los Angeles, CA-Summer 1932
Lake Placid, NY-Winter 1932
Squaw Valley, CA-Winter 1960
Lake Placid, NY-Winter 1980
Los Angeles, CA-Summer 1984
Atlanta, GA-Summer 1996
Salt Lake City, UT-Winter 2002

The only places with hosting olympics like california for multiple times would be france ,italy,germany,japan,canada,england but with some interesting twists . As countries not states or provinces. Considering california is close to the same size as each of those european countries it is all a great thing.

London will have its third summer hosting in 2012
Paris has hosted the summer games twice
France has hosted the winter games three times with Chamonix, Grenoble and Albertville hosting
Tokyo has hosted the summer games once with Sapporo and Nagano each hosting the winter games in japan.
Germany Shares hosting both the winter and summer games in same year, 1936, like the United states did in 1932 and France did in 1924.
Germany has hosted the summer games twice with berlin in 1936 and munich in 1972 and the winter games once at Garmisch-Partenkirchen in 1936.
Italy has hosting the summer games once in Rome 1960 and the winter games twice in the Regions of Torino 2006 and Cortina d'Ampezzo 1956.
Canada of course hosted the summer games of Montreal in 1976 , the Winter games in Calgary in 1988 and will host the winter games in Vancouver in 2010.

No country has hosted the summer or winter games more then the United States of course but you also have a unified large country in a important economy and many places to host the games.Also to note about the united states that they would have hosted the 1976 games if Denver had of not had the taxpayers revolt against the games but of course Lake Placid would not have hosted in 1980 if Denver had hosted 4 years earlier. 1976 lead to the second winter hosting for austria and innsbrook. Norway is a two time host of the winter games, australia is a two times host of the summer. Europe or Asia you have divided interests with economies that would add up to what the united states had in many cases at the time.

That of course is changing a bit with the European union and the Boom of the Asian economies.

jim jones

I don't believe he was talking about roofs that cover the pitch area - just the supporters... Something about watching a game that takes 3 hours in the pouring rain/snow - I just think it might be more comfortable with a roof above you. The players can get cold and wet, they're getting paid for it.

It is VERY VERY Rare for rainouts in LA. i cant remember the last time a professional sporing event was postponed due to rain in LA.

It is VERY VERY Rare for rainouts in LA. i cant remember the last time a professional sporing event was postponed due to rain in LA.

and even at with that fact in mind los angeles sports fan the redevelopment plans for the La coliseum have roofing over the stands to protect the fans sun.
that is the redevelopment plans I had seen for the return of the NFL.
The home depot centre has roofing over their stands for both the soccer stadium and the tennis centre. The bleachers at dodgers Stadiums has roofing over them as well. Architectual statements with what is done on other continents is not needed in LA because of the climate and the success of the teams in actually drawing people. Other places mainly europe if they dont have their grey poopon and a roof it is a problem LOL.

jim jones

LA stadiums are rubbish and i have been to them.

Dodger stadium is in a location that you will get shot if you hang around at night and the 2 NFL stadiums are rubbish hence by having sh*t crowds and no longer having teams there.

Staples Centres and the Pond are nice venues but England doesn't need that sort of Venue so wembley Arena and The o2 are more than sufficient.

When LA has venues like Wembley Twickenham or Emirates then maybe i will tkae notice.

Well it may be true of beckham in regards to his play over the last couple of years but somehow that is not stop him from captain for england last year in germany...

There is a saying here "one mans junk is another mans treasure" and with the case of Anschultz time will tell what English junk they own will turn out to be treasure David Beckham or the O2 dome in London. David Beckham is the most marketable name in soccer for North America and just as importantly Asia.

Beckham is BIG money and that is what sports is in north america. Billionaires have been made out of Millionaires in sports on this side of the Atlantic and Pacific.

jim jones

All interesting Jim. I was genuinely interested in how this is being reported in the US. Having been at a couple of the games Beckham captained for England in Germany, I can confirm that he's not half the player he was before he broke his foot - that said, he's probably still a lot better than 'most' of the players in the MLS (this isn't a dig at the players or the league, just a realistic refection of the fact that the 'good' players tend to migrate to Europe, leaving 'the rest' to fill up squads in developing leagues like the US and Australia - a very poor league in which Kevin Muscat looks world class!!).

Beckham, at his Man Utd peak between 1998 and 2002, was one of the top 5 or 10 players in the world, now he's a shadow. Hope it works out for him.

As an Englishman I'd just like to offer my apologies to America for the fact that you are going to be assaulted by Posh Spice for the duration of Beckham's stay... As Han Solo once said, "No reward is worth this."

The rejections were due to parking congestion with the new accommodation proposed as the stadium is located in a residential area. The developers solution to this problem was to incorporate student housing where the students will not be permitted to have cars.

Genius!

Is any of this going to be ready for the Superbowl? I mean, doesn't it look kind o shitty to have a SB in a stadium that is undergoing construction? I would think the NLF wouldn't allow that.

All interesting Jim. I was genuinely interested in how this is being reported in the US. Having been at a couple of the games Beckham captained for England in Germany, I can confirm that he's not half the player he was before he broke his foot - that said, he's probably still a lot better than 'most' of the players in the MLS (this isn't a dig at the players or the league, just a realistic refection of the fact that the 'good' players tend to migrate to Europe, leaving 'the rest' to fill up squads in developing leagues like the US and Australia - a very poor league in which Kevin Muscat looks world class!!).

Beckham, at his Man Utd peak between 1998 and 2002, was one of the top 5 or 10 players in the world, now he's a shadow. Hope it works out for him.

As an Englishman I'd just like to offer my apologies to America for the fact that you are going to be assaulted by Posh Spice for the duration of Beckham's stay... As Han Solo once said, "No reward is worth this."

That is very funny about Posh . The thing is I think both the English fans and
Victoria Beckham feed off each other and then you have the British print media as well. I Have a female friend in Manchester whos girlfriend works in the U man office and they would never step down into the stands to with the fans . It really is not a female friendly place. Groping by drunks and cat calls from male pigs is not a family or female friendly.

I could not believe Posh was in the middle of the stands in a Tv report I saw LOL.
The opposite would be the case in LA . Celebrities are not a big deal in that city and their is no class envy or money envy. Soccer is really a white male, working classes demographic in england much like gridiron in America to a certain degree. The females comfort zone with going to a game is much better for gridiron then premiership games from what I have seen.

A Posh Spice attack is nothing compared to the assault we are experiencing with Rosie
O Donnell and Donald Trump right now. Rosie O Donnell is terror on two wheels LOL No wheres near good looking as Posh LOL.
Strong women with power are not something people really accept on either side of the Atlantic especially in a male domain of the sports venue. Families and females coming to games in North America is part of the success and growth beyond core sports.
I don't know Posh Spice as Victoria Beckham but as a power couple I am sure she would be painted a villian for David Beckhams move to Madrid when his level of play was good. The same thing was felt in Canada (in a small way )in regards to Wayne Gretzky and his B movie actress wife Janet Jones luring him off to hollywood to further here career. Janet Gretzky certainly Isnt a Posh Spice I know the big difference between the two. Canadians love to live in the Southern United states and the British love to live in the MED Sea area so how do you blame celebs for what everyone wants and does as private citizens.

The Beckhams would be lost behind people like Tom Cruise and other celebs in America in regards to bad behavoir or attitude. I have found Beckham to be a polite person from the little I see . His spat with Sir Alex really spoke to good composure on Beckhams part. Kicking a ball an giving a star player 4 stitches for a cut and not saying he was sorry for his actions speaks to Sir Alex. Just an mad scotsman with a temper like me LOL.

The pay thing with Beckham like I said does not have the screams of an athlete getting payed too much like you would have with
baseball or girdiron players for the simple fact Beckham is one talented man that is considered unique in the world and something that is new to america. An Arod or Michael Vick getting 35 million a year raises the eyebrows. 50 million was the price the Boston Red Soxes had
to pay to talk to a superstar japanese baseball pithcer to possibly play for the red soxes. 50 MILLION just to talk . He is coming and who knows what the salary will be LOL.

Beckham is being recieved well even at the price , the talk is of what he will do for the game in NA.

jim jones

They'll probably just tarp over the u/c parts on the exterior with big Super Bowl banners.

The lots are made of grass not asphalt

The parking lots are made of grass?

I assume the Gas won't be heading back to Twerton park for a spell?

I know that stadiums must have roof protecting the entire crowd to host a FIFA World Cup match. Soccer stadiums all over the world have roofs, even the new stadiums in Brazil will all have roofs. Why on US they still build stadiums with no roof??? How primitive!

Oh no, not another roof debate.

I know that stadiums must have roof protecting the entire crowd to host a FIFA World Cup match. Soccer stadiums all over the world have roofs, even the new stadiums in Brazil will all have roofs. Why on US they still build stadiums with no roof??? How primitive!

- We've gone on and on about this
- US stadiums in general are more expensive to build, so obviously its a choice to use resources on other amenities instead of a roof unless there's a distinct purpose like hosting indoor events. Even Texas Stadium was not originally meant to be just roofed, but rather to be retractable in the same manner as the new stadium under construction. That was 1971. You're talking about the NFL. A league that is by far the wealthiest league in the world(See forbes list of franchises). If they or their locality want or need a roof, they'll build it. If they want to enjoy the Florida sunshine, they'll built that way. If they want to encapsulate sound, protect from constant rain and provide a downtown view, they'll build it. And they'll do it more often and for more money on a regular basis than anywhere else.
- US weather in most locales is very nice most of the time.
- This is a useless debate with this stadium as they have stated the want for a fully retractable roof to host indoor events once the Marlins are vacated.
- Soccer stadiums all over the world don't have roofs, and many are only partial roofs. Many only cover certain parts of the stand.
- FIFA does not state anything about requiring a roof that protects the entire crowd. The only way to protect a crowd is a fully enclosed dome or retractable roofed stadium, in which the US has the most of these in the world by far. FIFA suggests and would like 'if possible'(FIFA's language) that a roof be constructed that at least covers the stands of certain parts and percentage of the stadium. They actually suggest that 'if possible' a fully enclosed arena be used. As discussed in other threads, its seems that FIFA's goal for the future seems to be having every match played indoors at some point..................'if at all possible'. This information is linked from wikipedia with links to FIFA's website and official documents.

Most importantly:
- You're talking about an American football stadium. A sport with a history of homefield advantage and big time fan interaction that effects the game in more than just a psychological fashion. Also a sport that has no real roof history.

Ashton Gate- Bristol Rugby’s temporary new home 15,000 (all seated - capacity reduced due to re-development)

http://members.freezone.co.uk/bcfcband/stadium.jpg

PS What redevelopment? The Wikipedia page on Ashton Gate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashton_Gate) says that redevelopment of the Wedlock Stand was to take place last season, taking capacity down to 15,000, but that this didn't take place (certainly, Bristol had a crowd of 21,203 against Bath last month)...

I assume the Gas won't be heading back to Twerton park for a spell?

Twerton's long gone, I think... How about Bath - I think they had a season or two there a while back.

^^ Twerton Park is Bath City's ground and it's still there, but i don't think it meets league standards.

PS What redevelopment? The Wikipedia page on Ashton Gate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashton_Gate) says that redevelopment of the Wedlock Stand was to take place last season, taking capacity down to 15,000, but that this didn't take place (certainly, Bristol had a crowd of 21,203 against Bath last month)...

It has been put on hold as there has been some problem with the licensing for the bar that was to part of the stand (I kid you not) A lot of the advantage of the new stand was for the hospitality aspect. I think if they get promotion this year it may well give the relevant authorities a bit of a nudge.

Also reading the Bristol City forum today some people are not happy about what having Bristol Rugby playing at Ashton Gate week in week out will do to the pitch. Bristol Rugby will have to spend some money to keep it looking good and playable.

I know that stadiums must have roof protecting the entire crowd to host a FIFA World Cup match. Soccer stadiums all over the world have roofs, even the new stadiums in Brazil will all have roofs. Why on US they still build stadiums with no roof??? How primitive!

Stop trolling dude, seriously.

I love that 'lowly' 4th division clubs are getting themselves some nice stadia these days (Rover, Darlo, MK Dons, etc). Shows that ambition exists in all areas of English football.

dont wish to offend any fans of Bristol Rovers or Bristol City, but i am AMAZED that at not one stage in their histories was a merge considered. Bristol deserves a big football club playing at the top end of English football

Also reading the Bristol City forum today some people are not happy about what having Bristol Rugby playing at Ashton Gate week in week out will do to the pitch.

Bristol Rugby will play:

11 x Guinness Premiership games (12 if they finish in the top 2)
3 x Heineken Cup games (4 if they're one of the four best pool winners)
1 x EDF Energy Cup game

That's 15 home games, possibly 16, 17 if they do exceptionally well. Hardly "week in week out"...

Bristol Rugby will play:

11 x Guinness Premiership games (12 if they finish in the top 2)
3 x Heineken Cup games (4 if they're one of the four best pool winners)
1 x EDF Energy Cup game

That's 15 home games, possibly 16, 17 if they do exceptionally well. Hardly "week in week out"...

It was a turn of phrase. Be that as it may one look at Readings pitch shows you how having a rugby team playing on the same ground can have an effect.

dont wish to offend any fans of Bristol Rovers or Bristol City, but i am AMAZED that at not one stage in their histories was a merge considered. Bristol deserves a big football club playing at the top end of English football

THe chances of a merger are as likely as any other two teams playing in a city in England. Highly unlikely to 0. The two clubs represent two totally different parts of the city and the rivalry is deep seated. City had there chances of being a bit club but couldn't hold on at the right time. They've managed to flounder at a time when all the money came pouring into the game.

Los Angeles will be host to the world figure skating championships in 2009.

This certain puts LA in THE sports capital of the world class.
Hey why not the last time London England hosted this event was 1950 and that was certainly not in an arena above 12,000 capacity.

London however has hosted the worlds 4 times before 1951 and LA is having its
first hosting in 2009. Hey La what took you so long too bizy counting money LOL.

jim jones

- You're talking about an American football stadium. A sport with a history of homefield advantage and big time fan interaction that effects the game in more than just a psychological fashion. Also a sport that has no real roof history.

Are you insinuating that there's no fan interaction or homefield advantage in soccer?

Los Angeles will be host to the world figure skating championships in 2009.

This certain puts LA in THE sports capital of the world class.
Hey why not the last time London England hosted this event was 1950 and that was certainly not in an arena above 12,000 capacity.

London however has hosted the worlds 4 times before 1951 and LA is having its
first hosting in 2009. Hey La what took you so long too bizy counting money LOL.

jim jones

LA is not generally considered a "winter sports" venue, even though as you pointed out above, LA has more arenas that can support an Olympic skating rink than just about anywhere. (In addition to the 6 you mentioned, I suspect you could put one down in Pauley Pavillion, the Galen center, and the Walter Pyramid, but not entirely sure and of course there are two rinks at the Kings training facility in El Segundo.)

However since it snowed here last week, maybe we should push the winter sports a little harder.
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The parking lots are made of grass?

Yes, they are just grass lots. This allows for the American tradition of tailgating.

Are you insinuating that there's no fan interaction or homefield advantage in soccer?


I think for home field advantage he means that weather is an important part of home field advantage, which could specifically be seen last Sunday. The New Orleans saints (who play in a domed stadium) played the Chicago bears at Chicago, and the weather was terrible. This gave Chicago a clear advantage over New Orleans.

Are you insinuating that there's no fan interaction or homefield advantage in soccer?

When I make this statement, I mean that every 30 seconds in American football, a specific play and snap count are communicated from Offensive coordinator, to coach to QB or just coach to QB or Offensive coordinator to QB. This is relayed by the QB to the rest of the team on the field. This is preferrably done verbally because of the complexity of calling formations, blocking scheme, motion and where the ball is going. Then the QB from the line of scrimmage, must communicate blocking scheme and snap count, backs and lineman communicate schemes and point out blitzes before the ball is snapped. Fans can, have and will disrupt this communication, which makes it unique in sports.

Of course fans in all sports can and do have a psychological effect on the game. This happens in American football too. The difference is, the fans can have a direct effect to the action on the field through penalties. Teams have developed different methods of combating this like silent counts, hand signals, and numbered wrist bands, but the complexity of plays pretty much gurantees that there are still communication problems at louder stadiums.

Yes, they are just grass lots. This allows for the American tradition of tailgating.

What kind of super grass do they grow in South Florida? How can it withstand the wear and tear?

Anyway, you don't really need grass for tailgaiting.

Los Angeles will be host to the world figure skating championships in 2009.

This certain puts LA in THE sports capital of the world class.
Hey why not the last time London England hosted this event was 1950 and that was certainly not in an arena above 12,000 capacity.

London however has hosted the worlds 4 times before 1951 and LA is having its
first hosting in 2009. Hey La what took you so long too bizy counting money LOL.

jim jones

The problem I have with this is not your presumption that the 'a' should now become a 'the' in describing LA's 'world sports capital status'

The problem I really have is that somehow figure-skating is not just 'a sport' but one so profoundly important that it proves the first point.

Jim, rearrange these words:

straws, at, you're, clutching, mate!

It has just been announced that London will be hotsing the world bog snorckling championships, in stanford bridge. If this doesnt if this doesn't confirm London as the greatest city on earth i don't know what will ;)

The problem I have with this is not your presumption that the 'a' should now become a 'the' in describing LA's 'world sports capital status'

The problem I really have is that somehow figure-skating is not just 'a sport' but one so profoundly important that it proves the first point.

Jim, rearrange these words:

straws, at, you're, clutching, mate!

Yes the joke went over you head and if you are a guy I am not your MATE LOL. I dont MATE with guys sorry dude.

Figure skating I really classify with cricket as a sport LOL. Actually I am sorry that is not fair to figure skating LOL.

The sports capital of the world started with some london boosters and for all intense purposes they are wrong from the standard that makes the grade
MONEY earned at the box office thru private means.

The figure skating people have realized that Los Angeles equals a Big TV market and money. When is the last time figure skating choose London for those reasons???1950 . With the growth of TV since then you would think that London would have bid and hosted a couple of times in a sport capital of the world.
Is it lack of interest, funding locally or lack of Commercial value in London that prevents London for 56 years ? Remember this is not like the Olympics as a four year event it is an annual event that has passed by a world city of 6 million people.

I would think if people in London are part of A sport capital they should be able to host the world figure skating championships??? Halifax, Nova Scotia did in 1989. I would never link Halifax to being in a class with London however I just don't see many world championships hosted in London lately. OH unless it have something to do with soccer, cricket, darts , billiards, snooker or rugby. The sports world extends way beyond the boarders of the united kingdom.

A world figure skating championships in Los Angeles is almost like holding them in Miami except LA has the training facilities and the heritage of recent champions on the womans side of the competition. London, I consider to be THE sports capital of Europe, should be able to host the world figure
skating and have hosted them as many time pre 1950 then post. Somehow that is not the case.

jim jones

It has just been announced that London will be hotsing the world bog snorckling championships, in stanford bridge. If this doesnt if this doesn't confirm London as the greatest city on earth i don't know what will ;)


What is that sports ROTFLMAO. What ever it is I calling my travel agent and booking my airflight and hotel as it must be important afterall it is in the worlds sports capital ;)

jim jones