Yes the joke went over you head

Well, judging from the length of your reply, it's a joke you're taking pretty seriously, too!

and if you are a guy I am not your MATE LOL. I dont MATE with guys sorry dude.

As if we hadn't seen it already, this sort of tells us just how disconnected you are from the UK, yet you seem to profess otherwise. It's a term we use a lot (sometimes ironically ;)) over here and in Australia. But, 'dude' will suffice - if you want to sound like Bill & Ted.

Figure skating I really classify with cricket as a sport LOL. Actually I am sorry that is not fair to figure skating LOL.

Sure cricket's an acquired taste but I find it difficult to call anything a sport where style marks are awarded. Where's the objectivity or accountability? A goal is a goal. A touchdown is a touchdown and so on. One judge's 5.9 is another judge's 6.0. You might as well call Miss World a sport!

The sports capital of the world started with some london boosters and for all intense purposes they are wrong from the standard that makes the grade
MONEY earned at the box office thru private means.

Yeah, that's just how the Olympics got started, right? Have you ever heard of the Corinthian spirit?

The figure skating people have realized that Los Angeles equals a Big TV market and money. When is the last time figure skating choose London for those reasons???1950 . With the growth of TV since then you would think that London would have bid and hosted a couple of times in a sport capital of the world.
Is it lack of interest, funding locally or lack of Commercial value in London that prevents London for 56 years ? Remember this is not like the Olympics as a four year event it is an annual event that has passed by a world city of 6 million people.

I think lack of interest, in all honesty. Don't forget we had olympic medallists in this period (John Curry, Robin Cousins and Torville & Dean). Maybe it's just not that exciting a prospect over here. I can imagine how all those sequins would appeal to the Hollywood wannabees in LA, though....

I would think if people in London are part of A sport capital they should be able to host the world figure skating championships??? Halifax, Nova Scotia did in 1989. I would never link Halifax to being in a class with London however I just don't see many world championships hosted in London lately.

Well, we have a cheese rolling world championship each year in Gloucestershire. Does that put it on a par with LA?

OH unless it have something to do with soccer, cricket, darts , billiards, snooker or rugby. The sports world extends way beyond the boarders of the united kingdom.

Now you're taking the piss. Soccer has more national representation than there are countries in the UN. Cricket is played in countries with a combined population over 3 times the size of the US. Rugby Union has sustained a four-yearly World Cup for over 20 years. Darts and snooker are obviously semi-sports that exist solely for the purposes of cheap TV. Nobody can even remember the rules to billiards, let alone play it.

You want to talk about extending beyond the borders? Let's take the one-time World League of American Football that became NFL Europe that should now be NFL Germany. Big success. Get the Rhein Fire into the AFC as a token foreign team and you could laughably call the Super Bowl winners the Champions of the world. Wait, that already happened in the MLB because the Toronto Blue Jays represent the rest of the world! World Series my arse!

And before you deride snooker, remember that the US likes to think it 'owns' the sport of pool - before getting beaten by Europe in the Mosconi Cup.

A world figure skating championships in Los Angeles is almost like holding them in Miami except LA has the training facilities and the heritage of recent champions on the womans side of the competition. London, I consider to be THE sports capital of Europe, should be able to host the world figure
skating and have hosted them as many time pre 1950 then post. Somehow that is not the case.

Very gracious of you. So basically, if London can lure a few crappy sports to have their insignificant world championships there, it will overtake LA?

Right then. Recently, the world Pie Eating championships was held once again in Wigan (which is, of course, the spiritual home of the pie). I propose we elevate it to Demonstration Sport status at the 2012 Olympics and hold the annual World Championships in the Sports Bar on Haymarket. Then, only then can we make a claim over the mighty Los Angeles!

Well, judging from the length of your reply, it's a joke you're taking pretty seriously, too!



As if we hadn't seen it already, this sort of tells us just how disconnected you are from the UK, yet you seem to profess otherwise. It's a term we use a lot (sometimes ironically ;)) over here and in Australia. But, 'dude' will suffice - if you want to sound like Bill & Ted.



Sure cricket's an acquired taste but I find it difficult to call anything a sport where style marks are awarded. Where's the objectivity or accountability? A goal is a goal. A touchdown is a touchdown and so on. One judge's 5.9 is another judge's 6.0. You might as well call Miss World a sport!



Yeah, that's just how the Olympics got started, right? Have you ever heard of the Corinthian spirit?



I think lack of interest, in all honesty. Don't forget we had olympic medallists in this period (John Curry, Robin Cousins and Torville & Dean). Maybe it's just not that exciting a prospect over here. I can imagine how all those sequins would appeal to the Hollywood wannabees in LA, though....



Well, we have a cheese rolling world championship each year in Gloucestershire. Does that put it on a par with LA?



Now you're taking the piss. Soccer has more national representation than there are countries in the UN. Cricket is played in countries with a combined population over 3 times the size of the US. Rugby Union has sustained a four-yearly World Cup for over 20 years. Darts and snooker are obviously semi-sports that exist solely for the purposes of cheap TV. Nobody can even remember the rules to billiards, let alone play it.

You want to talk about extending beyond the borders? Let's take the one-time World League of American Football that became NFL Europe that should now be NFL Germany. Big success. Get the Rhein Fire into the AFC as a token foreign team and you could laughably call the Super Bowl winners the Champions of the world. Wait, that already happened in the MLB because the Toronto Blue Jays represent the rest of the world! World Series my arse!

And before you deride snooker, remember that the US likes to think it 'owns' the sport of pool - before getting beaten by Europe in the Mosconi Cup.



Very gracious of you. So basically, if London can lure a few crappy sports to have their insignificant world championships there, it will overtake LA?

Right then. Recently, the world Pie Eating championships was held once again in Wigan (which is, of course, the spiritual home of the pie). I propose we elevate it to Demonstration Sport status at the 2012 Olympics and hold the annual World Championships in the Sports Bar on Haymarket. Then, only then can we make a claim over the mighty Los Angeles!

I think this thread is getting a little out of control. As the token resident of Los Angeles in this thread, I have to say again that I don't think any one city is the World Capital of sport. There are a lot of places to consider with very good facilities and a history of hosting international games. It amazes me how defensive some of the London posts seem to be.

I would like to clear up some of the misunderstanding about the "World Series" which is basically the American baseball championship although Canadian teams have played. The term "World Series" is due to the original sponsor of the games, the New York World, a newspaper that no longer exists. About a third of major league players are born outside the USA and though they play for American teams that represent American cities, they retain their original citizenship. We were beginning to see the formation of national teams to at least take part in the Olympics until the Europeans decided to get rid of baseball as an Olympic sport partially out of Anti-American prejudice and partly out of an inability to find European venues to play the game. We can still play international baseball in the Pan American games but it seems a shame to not have a series where the Asian countries can play other than the Little League championships.

It has just been announced that London will be hotsing the world bog snorckling championships, in stanford bridge. If this doesnt if this doesn't confirm London as the greatest city on earth i don't know what will ;)


LOL congrats!:) :banana:

I think this thread is getting a little out of control. As the token resident of Los Angeles in this thread, I have to say again that I don't think any one city is the World Capital of sport. There are a lot of places to consider with very good facilities and a history of hosting international games. It amazes me how defensive some of the London posts seem to be.

I would like to clear up some of the misunderstanding about the "World Series" which is basically the American baseball championship although Canadian teams have played. The term "World Series" is due to the original sponsor of the games, the New York World, a newspaper that no longer exists. About a third of major league players are born outside the USA and though they play for American teams that represent American cities, they retain their original citizenship. We were beginning to see the formation of national teams to at least take part in the Olympics until the Europeans decided to get rid of baseball as an Olympic sport partially out of Anti-American prejudice and partly out of an inability to find European venues to play the game. We can still play international baseball in the Pan American games but it seems a shame to not have a series where the Asian countries can play other than the Little League championships.


very cool, i never knew that.

I think this thread is getting a little out of control. As the token resident of Los Angeles in this thread, I have to say again that I don't think any one city is the World Capital of sport. There are a lot of places to consider with very good facilities and a history of hosting international games. It amazes me how defensive some of the London posts seem to be.

I would like to clear up some of the misunderstanding about the "World Series" which is basically the American baseball championship although Canadian teams have played. The term "World Series" is due to the original sponsor of the games, the New York World, a newspaper that no longer exists. About a third of major league players are born outside the USA and though they play for American teams that represent American cities, they retain their original citizenship. We were beginning to see the formation of national teams to at least take part in the Olympics until the Europeans decided to get rid of baseball as an Olympic sport partially out of Anti-American prejudice and partly out of an inability to find European venues to play the game. We can still play international baseball in the Pan American games but it seems a shame to not have a series where the Asian countries can play other than the Little League championships.

True - however, it doesn't alter the fact that tv commentators are often heard referring to the reigning World Series holders and Superbowl winners as 'the World champions'.

All this is irrelevent though - the thread is about "Los Angeles - A (not THE) world capital of sport."

Personally I'd say that L.A., London, and Melbourne, would be joint at the top of the list. All three have a tremendous array of venues and events and due to their wide spacing around the globe shouldn't be considered as threats to each other's status!!

They just look like grass RV columns or cheap car parks

The thing is some of these British people know and acknowledge that they have a narrow local view of sports. It seems as a Canadian not from a major metro area I can examine the issue and make a good Judgement based on economic activity in this sector of business.

Rattling someones chain in the process may be enjoyable but not my true purpose. Baseball by the way has over 170 national associations world wide.
The headquarters for amateur baseball worldwide is in LAUSANNE Switzerland.

The reasons for baseballs exclusion in the 2012 summer games was quite simple.
The international federation could not see it attracting numbers in London at the Olympics so put it on the shelf to when it will next probably come to the Americas or an country with an upward trend for the game. Another reason was that major league baseball was cool to the idea as it really doesnt see growth potiential in England thus not wanting to break their season for a competition that would not promote the game . There are 40 teams with about 800 players in england. Compare that with fellow commonwealth nation australia with 57000 players on over 5000 teams and you see why baseball and softball where put on the shelf and will be voted for inclusion on a case by case basis. Other countries in Europe have well established pro leagues in Continential Europe. Holland and Italy come to mind. This is not as popular a sport as soccer is in europe but it is not bad for an american sport. Soccer does better in America then baseball does in Europe. Beijing makes sense to include baseball there because they are in a region that pro baseball is big with japan, south korea and taiwan all having pro leagues playing in stadiums the size of those in the major leagues in america. China itself has a 6 team pro league.


As far as anyone in north america is probably concerned the India and Pakistan could probably run a world series of cricket and it would not be a big deal. Of course the world cup of cricket is in the carribbean this year.
Must using the title of World be restricted to soccer at all times?
No not really because with a world series of kayber tossing my province could field some great athletes in that as we do have some great highland games here. Same goes for Fergus Ontario and even North Carolina and southern California.

Would it mean much not really. By the way there is the world classic of baseball and that was held for the first time in 2006 with 16 teams from every continent in the world with the exception of antartica . The best of pro baseball for the major leagues and the other nations with pro leauges were in the world classic of baseball.
Italy, The Netherlands, South Africa, Cuba, Dominica Republic, Canada, Australia, The peoples republic of China, Taiwan, Puerto Rico, Panama, Mexico
The United States, South Korea and Japan. Japan won the championship over Cuba, South Korea finished third and the Dominica Republic finished fourth
with no team from the mainland of the Americas qualifying for the finals.

There is a World cup of baseball with amatuers and the first place it was held was in Great Britian in 1938. Great Britian actually won the gold medal.

Major League Baseball has the right to call it the World Series more now then anytime in history as 27 percent of the players of major league baseball are from 4 continents and that amounts to 223 of the 813 players are from countries other then the United States. Baseball is growing with the expansion of players in the major leagues from countries like Arbua, Venezuela, Curacao, Guam.
Colombia, Taiwan , South Korea, Australia and Japan.

jim jones

True - however, it doesn't alter the fact that tv commentators are often heard referring to the reigning World Series holders and Superbowl winners as 'the World champions'.

All this is irrelevent though - the thread is about "Los Angeles - A (not THE) world capital of sport."

Personally I'd say that L.A., London, and Melbourne, would be joint at the top of the list. All three have a tremendous array of venues and events and due to their wide spacing around the globe shouldn't be considered as threats to each other's status!!

and you are right three diverse sports cities with three different sports tastes.
All deserving of sport capital titles

jim jones

For what ever it is worth, I would have no problem with including cricket, rugby, golf, bowling, and chess in the Olympics. Its the Olympic committee that limits the number of sports. Hell I would even bring the tug of war back if people would watch it.

I think this thread is getting a little out of control. As the token resident of Los Angeles in this thread, I have to say again that I don't think any one city is the World Capital of sport. There are a lot of places to consider with very good facilities and a history of hosting international games. It amazes me how defensive some of the London posts seem to be.

I would like to clear up some of the misunderstanding about the "World Series" which is basically the American baseball championship although Canadian teams have played. The term "World Series" is due to the original sponsor of the games, the New York World, a newspaper that no longer exists. About a third of major league players are born outside the USA and though they play for American teams that represent American cities, they retain their original citizenship. We were beginning to see the formation of national teams to at least take part in the Olympics until the Europeans decided to get rid of baseball as an Olympic sport partially out of Anti-American prejudice and partly out of an inability to find European venues to play the game. We can still play international baseball in the Pan American games but it seems a shame to not have a series where the Asian countries can play other than the Little League championships.

The World classic of Baseball was very good march of 2006 and is going to be played in 2009 and every year after that. All continents have national teams that are made up of the best of their pro players. Japan. Taiwan ,South Korea and china all have their top players in and Japan won the world classic of baseball last year. It was not really in baseballs best interest to be in london for 2012 because the growth is not in great britian for baseball.

jim jones

Jim, your excessive anglophobia does get rather tedious. I do wonder what awful things may have happened to you here... In order to retain some face, perhaps you should leave this discussion to the more tolerant and informed, such as "svs"?

Oh dear - I appear to have created an unstoppable city-bashing monster with my London thread, suppose I should have seen that coming...:ohno:

There is no doubt that London and L.A are both top world capitals of sport, as pointed out by some of the more sane and less zenophobic individuals here.. I have to say though that some of the stadiums/arena/tracks posted in this post are clutching at straws a bit - I cut off the London post at 10,000 seats plus, and didn't include horse-racing or motor-racing circuits. All that said, it's still an interesting comparison if you take this into account.

Just my opinion of course, but looking at it purely based on merit; I'd say that London is probably ahead of L.A with regards stadiums and L.A is probably ahead of London in terms of arenas. Given the popularity/unpopularity of certain sports in each city this makes perfect sense I suppose.

Have to say that there is also a lot of ignorance being shown here - many North American posters appear to underestimate the huge worldwide appeal of certain sports such as cricket, rugby etc, which sadly represents a fairly insular outlook of many from the continent in my experience.. Equally too many Europeans dismiss baseball and American football as irrelevant because they are mainly restricted to the Americas - this is surely all irrelevant when at the end of the day we're talking about stadiums and arenas here??

I've lived in the states and am a big fan of the 3 big U.S sports - American Football, Baseball and Basketball. There is no doubt at all that sport is as big a deal there as it is anywhere. I think it's a shame that some people on here take things so personally and can't appreciate things outside their own city/country/continent. I'm proud of being British and a Londoner - which is why I started the London post, but to anyone who seems hellbent on proving they are from the biggest/best place, please think about whether you really know what you're talking about or whether you're just being ignorant.:cheers:

Hear, hear, Southbank. Well said!

It would probably be a good idea now that people should leave the discussion unless it is pertaining the thread title.

Question then. What was/or still is being used for the annual Rugby 7s tournament in LA? Will this be an on going thing?

Hear, hear, Southbank. Well said!

It would probably be a good idea now that people should leave the discussion unless it is pertaining the thread title.

Question then. What was/or still is being used for the annual Rugby 7s tournament in LA? Will this be an on going thing?

I basically agree that ranking is unnecessary. I only responded and began this thread because of the LA bashing from some of the Londoners. I have visited London numerous times and only have admiration for that city and I have a few British cousins myself.

I put in the stuff about the surfing, beach volleyball and skiing to emphasize the opportunities LA give the inhabitants of the city to participate in sports as well as just act as spectators.

The rugby 7's tourney was held at the Home Depot center in Carson, the same place Beckham will be playing next year. As far as I know, this was a one time event. There is organized Rugby, both men's and women's teams played in LA on a semipro level. One of the best teams in the US is located in my little suburb of Santa Monica. They play at Corsair stadium at Santa Monica City College.

The rugby 7's tourney was held at the Home Depot center in Carson, the same place Beckham will be playing next year. As far as I know, this was a one time event.

The USA has been a host of the IRB Sevens since 2004, but after three years at Home Depot Center, the 2007 event will be held in San Diego's PETCO Park...

As soon as you expressly state that this is not a city v city thing, it becomes exactly that.

I live in Melbourne, it too likes to call itself the sporting capital of the world. You will never win an argument like this. It's pointless. Just accept the fact that as credentialled as you think your city is in being a world class sports city, there are other cities which can lay as much claim to that as yours can.

From where I sit, and its just my perspective, London has the bigger sporting events, LA has a shitload more sporting venues.

But when I mean sporting events, I don't mean Olympics or those events which get shared around. Sooner or later, everyone will get to host an Olympics or World Cup. What I am referring to are those events which are permanently in your city.

Take Melbourne. It has:
AFL Grand Final
Melbourne Cup horse race, second biggest horse race in the world
Formula One Grand Prix
Motor Cycle Grand Prix
Australian Open, tennis grand slam

Take London:
FA Cup Final
English premier league fixtures
Wimbledon
Etc etc

No offence to LA, but other than hosting LA Lakers basketball matches and American football, there is not a lot of permanent sporting events which the rest of the world knows about. Nearly every American city has its own basketball team and football team. Whereas with London, their events seem more global.

Having said that, the pics of all the LA stadia, just the sheer number of them, is very impressive and its hard to imagine any other city in the world having as many venues as the selection above.

So, its a bit of 50/50 with LA and London. No-one is gonna win this argument.

As soon as you expressly state that this is not a city v city thing, it becomes exactly that.

I live in Melbourne, it too likes to call itself the sporting capital of the world. You will never win an argument like this. It's pointless. Just accept the fact that as credentialled as you think your city is in being a world class sports city, there are other cities which can lay as much claim to that as yours can.

From where I sit, and its just my perspective, London has the bigger sporting events, LA has a shitload more sporting venues.

But when I mean sporting events, I don't mean Olympics or those events which get shared around. Sooner or later, everyone will get to host an Olympics or World Cup. What I am referring to are those events which are permanently in your city.

Take Melbourne. It has:
AFL Grand Final
Melbourne Cup horse race, second biggest horse race in the world
Formula One Grand Prix
Motor Cycle Grand Prix
Australian Open, tennis grand slam

Take London:
FA Cup Final
English premier league fixtures
Wimbledon
Etc etc

No offence to LA, but other than hosting LA Lakers basketball matches and American football, there is not a lot of permanent sporting events which the rest of the world knows about. Nearly every American city has its own basketball team and football team. Whereas with London, their events seem more global.

Having said that, the pics of all the LA stadia, just the sheer number of them, is very impressive and its hard to imagine any other city in the world having as many venues as the selection above.

So, its a bit of 50/50 with LA and London. No-one is gonna win this argument.

Well, we do have the LA open, the Santa Anita handicap, the Long Beach grand prix, the X-games, etc. etc. In America, the championships tend to get spread around a lot because we have a lot of great cities and even NYC is not dominant in the US the way London is in Britain. I grant that Melbourne is very impressive in the number and quality of its venues as well especially given Australia's overall population. I think what makes LA unique as a sporting capital is the number of opportunities the inhabitants have to participate in sports as well as just observe. I think that both Sydney and Melbourne resemble LA in this regard having great access to the Ocean and the beaches but of course, I suspect the skiing in Australia is probably not the best.

I think people are missing the key point. You should look at it not as a number of different sports the city accomadates, but the figures involved with how many people watch it. Now football (soccer) is by far away, far far faaaaar away the most watched sport on Earth. The Premiership is the most watched sports league on Earth and London has 7 teams alone in the Premiership. We have the home of tennis which is one of the very biggest sports around, most certainly bigger then figure skating for christ sake. And the home of Cricket which no matter what you say. It's the biggest sport for 1/5 of the worlds population. Surely these things matter most. LA has a wide variety of sports and great stadiums and arenas, but the sports they host just don't grap the wider audience as you Americans would like to believe.

I think people are missing the key point. You should look at it not as a number of different sports the city accomadates, but the figures involved with how many people watch it. Now football (soccer) is by far away, far far faaaaar away the most watched sport on Earth. The Premiership is the most watched sports league on Earth and London has 7 teams alone in the Premiership. We have the home of tennis which is one of the very biggest sports around, most certainly bigger then figure skating for christ sake. And the home of Cricket which no matter what you say. It's the biggest sport for 1/5 of the worlds population. Surely these things matter most. LA has a wide variety of sports and great stadiums and arenas, but the sports they host just don't grap the wider audience as you Americans would like to believe.

I think you are missing the point. You are still trying to play the city vs. city game. As for tennis, how many people play it, as opposed to watch it. Wimbleton is very nice one week a year, but what about the rest of the time?

The rugby 7's tourney was held at the Home Depot center in Carson, the same place Beckham will be playing next year. As far as I know, this was a one time event.The USA has been a host of the IRB Sevens since 2004, but after three years at Home Depot Center, the 2007 event will be held in San Diego's PETCO Park...
The USA has been a host of the IRB Sevens since 2004, but after three years at Home Depot Center, the 2007 event will be held in San Diego's PETCO Park...

Ahh...k, thanks. It's too bad 'cause Home Depot Ctr's pitch is already set up for rugby, football where PETCO is a baseball park. How does the pitch set-up inside a baseball park for rugby? They must have to bring in seating so it levels out the sides...trying to visualise what it would look like.

No worries I've answered my question about Petco's rugby set-up. The baseball left-centre field doesn't have additional seating brought up to the touchline. So I guess they would allow people to sit in the usual outfield seats if they wanted. Though Petco is bigger and more seats I think Home Depot, with added seats would be the better choice. Here is the render -

http://www.usasevens.com/images/petcopark.jpg

I think you are missing the point. You are still trying to play the city vs. city game. As for tennis, how many people play it, as opposed to watch it. Wimbleton is very nice one week a year, but what about the rest of the time?

A lot of people play tennis actually.

LA is not generally considered a "winter sports" venue, even though as you pointed out above, LA has more arenas that can support an Olympic skating rink than just about anywhere. (In addition to the 6 you mentioned, I suspect you could put one down in Pauley Pavillion, the Galen center, and the Walter Pyramid, but not entirely sure and of course there are two rinks at the Kings training facility in El Segundo.)

However since it snowed here last week, maybe we should push the winter sports a little harder.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/palmtrees.jpg

It also didn't stop this girl from Torrance from becoming an Olympic medalist:

http://www.iceskatingintnl.com/images/nationals/us%202005%20kwan.jpg

...I believe her name is Michelle Kwan.

Oh dear - I appear to have created an unstoppable city-bashing monster with my London thread, suppose I should have seen that coming...:ohno:

There is no doubt that London and L.A are both top world capitals of sport, as pointed out by some of the more sane and less zenophobic individuals here.. I have to say though that some of the stadiums/arena/tracks posted in this post are clutching at straws a bit - I cut off the London post at 10,000 seats plus, and didn't include horse-racing or motor-racing circuits. All that said, it's still an interesting comparison if you take this into account.

Just my opinion of course, but looking at it purely based on merit; I'd say that London is probably ahead of L.A with regards stadiums and L.A is probably ahead of London in terms of arenas. Given the popularity/unpopularity of certain sports in each city this makes perfect sense I suppose.

Have to say that there is also a lot of ignorance being shown here - many North American posters appear to underestimate the huge worldwide appeal of certain sports such as cricket, rugby etc, which sadly represents a fairly insular outlook of many from the continent in my experience.. Equally too many Europeans dismiss baseball and American football as irrelevant because they are mainly restricted to the Americas - this is surely all irrelevant when at the end of the day we're talking about stadiums and arenas here??

I've lived in the states and am a big fan of the 3 big U.S sports - American Football, Baseball and Basketball. There is no doubt at all that sport is as big a deal there as it is anywhere. I think it's a shame that some people on here take things so personally and can't appreciate things outside their own city/country/continent. I'm proud of being British and a Londoner - which is why I started the London post, but to anyone who seems hellbent on proving they are from the biggest/best place, please think about whether you really know what you're talking about or whether you're just being ignorant.:cheers:

Well south bank I think it is a very subjective thing of course.
As a north american I can take the view that LA has the title because of a preceived Bias but really what convinces me is a few factors,
Money spent
Diversity of the sports followed and supported by the population
Involvement of the Business Class in the franchises.
Te production of high performance athletes.
on those three counts LA would have it hands down

But on the side of London is that you have long standing club histories
Some new venues
and a world wide recognized institution like Wimbelton that LA does not have with maybe the except of the Rose Bowl new years day game.

Stadiums without tenants to me is just an exercise in archtecture.
Money may not be the standard people in great britian use but it is certainly the standard I use in Canada. LOL

jim jones

Speaking of Wimbledon, these two sisters from Los Angeles have done quite well there :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/825000/images/_827333_willswithcup300.jpg

Speaking of Wimbledon, these two sisters from Los Angeles have done quite well there :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/825000/images/_827333_willswithcup300.jpg

Aye, but they had to leave the city in order to play in a Grand Slam tournament. London, Paris, Melbourne, New York - a pretty good line-up of Sporting Capitals.

Aye, but they had to leave the city in order to play in a Grand Slam tournament. London, Paris, Melbourne, New York - a pretty good line-up of Sporting Capitals.

Only if you define sporting capital as tennis. While conceding London and Melbourne's superiority as having the best facilities for watching tennis, I suspect LA has more courts than any city in the world although most of them are private. At any rate LA's superiority as the capital of basketball, the one sport that everyone can agree is a world sport still remains. Home of the Lakers the most popular and successful basketball team of the last 35 years, the Clippers, the Sparks, and UCLA Bruin's not to mention USC coming on strong. For whatever its worth most Americans consider Tennis more a sport for playing than for watching and would rank its importance below American football, basketball, baseball, ice hockey, NASCAR racing, and golf. Other countries of course would rank these differently which is why it is stupid to keep playing this "my city is the best" game. London, Melbourne, Paris, and New York are great sports centers, but LA can hold its own with any of them. As to who's number #1, it depends on what is the most important to you.

Well south bank I think it is a very subjective thing of course.
As a north american I can take the view that LA has the title because of a preceived Bias but really what convinces me is a few factors,
Money spent
Diversity of the sports followed and supported by the population
Involvement of the Business Class in the franchises.
Te production of high performance athletes.
on those three counts LA would have it hands down

But on the side of London is that you have long standing club histories
Some new venues
and a world wide recognized institution like Wimbelton that LA does not have with maybe the except of the Rose Bowl new years day game.

Stadiums without tenants to me is just an exercise in archtecture.
Money may not be the standard people in great britian use but it is certainly the standard I use in Canada. LOL

jim jones

Lol! I don't even know where to start with this - I do actually wonder whether you're taking the piss..

All the things highlighted in bold above are based entirely on your blinkered-view of the world and are so obviously not true and/or irrelevant to anyone with a bit of sense that it's ridiculous. I suggest you re-read what you've written, then go and find some sort of concrete evidence for any of the points you are making.. and even if you could, I have no doubt that someone else could come along and find evidence to the complete contrary.

I also think you need to read through this thread again and actually allow some of it to sink in this time - none of the Stadiums listed in the London thread are without tenants, it's just that once again, the nature of some of those tenancies doesn't fit with your North America-centric understanding of sport. Wembley, for example will be used as much as any NFL stadium each year.

I'm not trying to be nasty here, I just want you to take those blinkers off for a minute - I mean, do you honestly truly believe that the new years game at the Rose Bowl is equal to Wimbledon in terms of global awareness, or that somehow the 'Business Class' is more involved in sport in L.A?? Please..


At any rate LA's superiority as the capital of basketball, the one sport that everyone can agree is a world sport still remains.

C'mon - Basketball is the one true world sport?? You really need to step away from the idea that if it isn't big in America, it doesn't count. I'm not saying Basketball isn't big enough worldwide to be considered a global sport - it is; it's just that as many people have said before, Football (as in non-American Football) is far, far, far away a more global sport than Basketball, or anything else for that matter.

I do appreciate, however, that you at least acknowledge that there is no way of finding 'The' sporting capital of the world, unlike some people here, I just wish you wouldn't keep ruining your own argument by throwing up comments like this!

Svs said that basketball is a world sport - not the world sport. This is undeniably true.

I find Jim Jones' ultra capitalistic view of the world quite hilarious where "money spent" and "production" of athletes comes above all. People aren't made on a construction line Jim...

Lol! I don't even know where to start with this - I do actually wonder whether you're taking the piss..

All the things highlighted in bold above are based entirely on your blinkered-view of the world and are so obviously not true and/or irrelevant to anyone with a bit of sense that it's ridiculous. I suggest you re-read what you've written, then go and find some sort of concrete evidence for any of the points you are making.. and even if you could, I have no doubt that someone else could come along and find evidence to the complete contrary.

I also think you need to read through this thread again and actually allow some of it to sink in this time - none of the Stadiums listed in the London thread are without tenants, it's just that once again, the nature of some of those tenancies doesn't fit with your North America-centric understanding of sport. Wembley, for example will be used as much as any NFL stadium each year.

I'm not trying to be nasty here, I just want you to take those blinkers off for a minute - I mean, do you honestly truly believe that the new years game at the Rose Bowl is equal to Wimbledon in terms of global awareness, or that somehow the 'Business Class' is more involved in sport in L.A?? Please..




C'mon - Basketball is the one true world sport?? You really need to step away from the idea that if it isn't big in America, it doesn't count. I'm not saying Basketball isn't big enough worldwide to be considered a global sport - it is; it's just that as many people have said before, Football (as in non-American Football) is far, far, far away a more global sport than Basketball, or anything else for that matter.

I do appreciate, however, that you at least acknowledge that there is no way of finding 'The' sporting capital of the world, unlike some people here, I just wish you wouldn't keep ruining your own argument by throwing up comments like this!

What I said is that basketball is a sport played everywhere in the world, unlike baseball played mainly in the western hemisphere and Asia or cricket, played basically where ever the British empire once set its flag or even soccer/foootball. You make the same arguement you accuse me of, saying if sport isn't big in Europe it doesn't count.

This one reason why there can never be a concensus "world sport capital". Most Brits have no respect for American Football and baseball, and frankly most Americans think soccer is a good game for children that haven't attained full bone growth, and that cricket is a good way to catch up on your sleep. As important as Premier league football, is to you, for us it is as interesting as major league baseball is to you. We weren't raised with it; it's just not that interesting to us. I wouldn't expect you to care about the superbowl as much as we do. As I have said in the past, I only started this thread to defend my city against the anti-LA bashers that seem mostly to come from London for reasons I really don't understand. I hope London has a great olympics and that you all come to LA for the Olympics in 2016.

What I said is that basketball is a sport played everywhere in the world, unlike baseball played mainly in the western hemisphere and Asia or cricket, played basically where ever the British empire once set its flag or even soccer/foootball. You make the same arguement you accuse me of, saying if sport isn't big in Europe it doesn't count.

Svs said that basketball is a world sport - not the world sport. This is undeniably true.

If you re-read my post, I acknowledged that basketball is a world sport, I just don't agree that it is "the one sport that everyone can agree is a world sport", something that is far more applicable to football/soccer, and certainly not just wherever the British Empire stretched too either, hence basketball not being the one sport that everyone can agree is global!

Also - svs, I've lived in the US and do infact care about gridiron, baseball and basketball. I fully acknowledge that both basketball and baseball could be considered world sports, although gridiron is not there yet. The simple fact, remains, however, that all the main sports that are big in London/UK are also big globally - football, rugby, cricket are all at least as popular in 2-3 other continents. As such, I don't make the same argument that I accuse you of at all, I just wanted you to acknowledge that because a game isn't big in America, it doesn't mean that those hundreds of nations around the world that do care are irrelevant!

No worries I've answered my question about Petco's rugby set-up. The baseball left-centre field doesn't have additional seating brought up to the touchline. So I guess they would allow people to sit in the usual outfield seats if they wanted. Though Petco is bigger and more seats I think Home Depot, with added seats would be the better choice. Here is the render -

http://www.usasevens.com/images/petcopark.jpg

Here's the plan as well:

http://www.usasevens.com/images/seatingchart.jpg

The new home of the University of Virginia Cavaliers men's and women's basketball.
From the arena website
The name of the new 16,000 seat arena at the University of Virginia has people wondering. Where did that name come from? Is it named after the Revolutionary War Hero? Did the Led Zeppelin Bassist have ties to Charlottesville? Neither.

The new state of the art facility is recognition and a thank you from a son to his father.

Paul Tudor Jones II, a 1976 U. Va. graduate, made an extraordinary $35 million commitment to the University of Virginias newest arena and was granted his naming request to honor his father, John Paul Jones. Mr. Jones has described his fathers life as being dedicated to four things: his faith, his family, the University of Virginia and basketball. Jones senior is a 1948 graduate of the Universitys School of Law who currently lives in Memphis. His love of the University has never faded. He continues to participate in alumni functions, including serving three years as president of his alumni chapter and helping prospective U. Va. students through the admission process.

Basketball is a passion he shares with son Paul. Jones the younger was the first alumnus to voice concern that the University needed to replace the aging University Hall. In November 2001, he made a 10-year $20 million pledge that put the Arena project on the fast track. The ground breaking for this state of the art facility was May 30, 2003. The John Paul Jones Arena is the first facility in the country built by a public university almost entirely from private funds. It will also hold the title of the largest arena in the Commonwealth of Virginia.

Construction was completed during the Summer 2006. The arena is home to University Men's and Women's Basketball teams and host to a myriad of attractions including concerts, family shows, and community events. The Arena's inaugural lineup included such diverse acts as WWE Monday Night RAW, James Taylor, Kenny Chesney, Dave Matthews Band, The Wiggles Live and Eric Clapton.

The front entrace is designed to reflect the architecture of the campus
http://www.cavalierdaily.com/.Archives/2006/06/22/sp-johnpaul-ss.gif


The interior is a horseshoe shape which makes for a great concert venue. I should know, I was there for a concert and my seats were great in the upper deck.
http://graphics.ocsn.com/schools/va/graphics/new-arena-landscape-plan.gif

The interior features state of the art scoreboards and luxury boxes
http://fmweb.virginia.edu/fpc/arenaproject/Sitework/SiteWorkJuly06.htm

One of the nicest arenas I've been to.

OMG who would know the Bass player of Led
Zeppelin would have an arena named after him in north carolina ;)

Jim jones

Aye, but they had to leave the city in order to play in a Grand Slam tournament. London, Paris, Melbourne, New York - a pretty good line-up of Sporting Capitals.

STRAIGHT out of muther #$$%^#& COMPTON homeboy . Dizzle to K Gizzle

jim jones

Speaking of Wimbledon, these two sisters from Los Angeles have done quite well there :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/825000/images/_827333_willswithcup300.jpg

You know where the championship resides usually shows the support of the local community. I dont know if the William sisters where the product of the largest
Olympic endowment fund in the history of the games with the 1984 Los Angeles Games but we will have to see what comes from the massive profits from
London 2012 to pass judgement. London should be able to do better in 2012 then it did in 1948 .

Yes london should be able to make 220 million america from their hosting duties after all they are taking a page from LA and funding the games 100 percent from the private sector ;) Glad they are getting that expertise via the anschultz group of los angeles who are redeveloping the O2 dome.

jim jones

nada ?

What I said is that basketball is a sport played everywhere in the world, unlike baseball played mainly in the western hemisphere and Asia or cricket, played basically where ever the British empire once set its flag or even soccer/foootball. You make the same arguement you accuse me of, saying if sport isn't big in Europe it doesn't count.

Shame you have had to spoil a fairly good run of posts with hateful ignorance. Football is least successful in countries most heavily associated with the British Empire.

If you re-read my post, I acknowledged that basketball is a world sport, I just don't agree that it is "the one sport that everyone can agree is a world sport", something that is far more applicable to football/soccer, and certainly not just wherever the British Empire stretched too either, hence basketball not being the one sport that everyone can agree is global!

Also - svs, I've lived in the US and do infact care about gridiron, baseball and basketball. I fully acknowledge that both basketball and baseball could be considered world sports, although gridiron is not there yet. The simple fact, remains, however, that all the main sports that are big in London/UK are also big globally - football, rugby, cricket are all at least as popular in 2-3 other continents. As such, I don't make the same argument that I accuse you of at all, I just wanted you to acknowledge that because a game isn't big in America, it doesn't mean that those hundreds of nations around the world that do care are irrelevant!

Goodness, I never said that hundreds of nations are irrelevant. I just pointed out that soccer football is not all that important to me and cricket less and that fact would color how I would rank any so-called world capital of sport. I have been in Europe during two World cups, and of course we have sponsored the world cup here. I certainly acknowlege that soccer football is important globally, if that will make you happy. This still doesn't have anything to do with what city is the world capital of sports.

Somebody made a snotty comment about the four cities that host tennis grand slams being the capitals of sport, so I pointed out that LA can be considered the capital of basketball as a balance. I think I can defend that.

Although, I don't personally follow soccer football all that closely myself, (this should be pretty obvious by now) I certainly have a lot of friends and aquaintances who do. When I worked in South Central LA, a lot of soccer was watched in the lunch room, but you know, it wasn't Premier league soccer. Folks here who do follow soccer are much more interested in Mexican league, Central American, and South American Games. La Opinion (Spanish language) which is actually the number two newspaper in LA devotes more than 50% of its sports page to soccer/football, again mostly Mexican league, central and South American, as well as to the Galaxy, Chivas, and our professional soccer league. There is some coverage of continental football, especially if South American players are involved, but British football is just not of all that much interest here. I suspect the global audience for Premier league has more to do with Sky broadcasting than the actual quality of the teams. Again, I am not an expert here, I am just going by Britains' record in the World cup.

Until, I see a little more interest in cricket in countries that were never colonized by Britain, I still have to consider that one a local sport, while acknowleging that the British empire at its height was incredibly spread out and obviously influential. When then Italians and Greeks start playing cricket, we can talk. As for rugby, I have to admit, it is a great sport, my daughter played intramural rugby at University of California Santa Cruz, as I have mentioned before, my little suburb of Santa Monica has one of the best rugby teams in the US, but again I think its of a lot more interest to folks in the Commonwealth, than the world at large.

You are just proving my point that any opinion of whtever city is going to be called the world capital of almost anything is going to be an opinion which is not the same as a fact. Can we still be friends?

What I said is that basketball is a sport played everywhere in the world, unlike baseball played mainly in the western hemisphere and Asia or cricket, played basically where ever the British empire once set its flag or even soccer/foootball. You make the same arguement you accuse me of, saying if sport isn't big in Europe it doesn't count.

Shame you have had to spoil a fairly good run of posts with hateful ignorance. Football is least successful in countries most heavily associated with the British Empire.

I don't think "hateful" applies. We are all ignorant about some things. I admit my phrasing was not good. I was trying to say that cricket, as far as I can tell is a sport basically only played in the Commonwealth. Soccer football is obviously a different case. See the above post for clarification of what I was trying to say.

The Facade does match the UVA campus very well, and it certanly has a unique look to it, but I have some issues with the bowl. Its very aesthetically pleasing, but its built like a concert venue first and a basketball arena second, the back end of the horseshoe is distant for an NBA arena yet its just under 16,000 seats. As a unque idea I like it, but its not something I would copy as far as big (12,000+) arenas are concerned.

What I said is that basketball is a sport played everywhere in the world, unlike baseball played mainly in the western hemisphere and Asia or cricket, played basically where ever the British empire once set its flag or even soccer/foootball. You make the same arguement you accuse me of, saying if sport isn't big in Europe it doesn't count.

Shame you have had to spoil a fairly good run of posts with hateful ignorance. Football is least successful in countries most heavily associated with the British Empire.

Well lets examine it. Basketball and Soccer really are played in the same amounts of popularity across the globe but of course soccer is played in much larger venues globally. Even in the US soccer has that quality despite being about 6th on the scale for popular sport for pro leagues. Soccer however does have mass appeal for girls in north america. Today has about 11 million of both sexes play amateur soccer in america . Soccer in all fairness is a way beyond just the British Empire as to a certain degree baseball is beyond the Americas and Asia. South and Central American countries have great soccer histories with Montevideo Uruguay being the first place the Fifa World cup was played in 1930. Considering South America has hosted four times out of the 18 times and would have been 5 times if Colombia had honored its hosting duties in 1986 it is a very good record of hosting of between 20 to 25 percent of the time. The British Empire has however only hosted once of about 5 percent of the time with once in England 1966.
Then if you include Mexico's two hostings and the united states hosting once the Americas have certainly done well. British Empire countries by 2010 would only had hosted twice with england in 1966 and south africa in 2010.

You consider that world cup 1994 had attendances with (all person seated) for every game played(many in round play games without the united states playing) in the rose bowl at levels that wembley had for games that england was playing. Some games at the rose bowl had more then england on home soil in Wembley in 1966. Wembley's advantage besides having a soccer mad English public to draw from was they could cram people in standing room sections above the 72,000 mark that is commonly used for the old wembley stadium.

If a world cup was held in the new Wembley the stadium would not match one single games attendance that the rose bowl had during 1994.
The New Wembley will not break the single game attendance record set in los angeles' rose bowl for two record soccer games. the record for the largest attendance for a soccer game during an olympics or a fifa womens world cup game.

50,535 was the lowest attendance for a game in the United States for World cup 1994. 16,000 was the lowest attendance for a game for World cup 1966 in England. Gee I wonder why England, which I truly consider the World capital of soccer, could not manage to numbers that are experienced in America except when England took the field ? It is a very simple cause and effect .
England has a population that is multi-cultural today but didn't really have it as much in the 1960's . Los Angeles and America was built on multiculturalism that provides audiences for wide range of sports beyond traditional homegrown sports. Ex pat Canadians make up great number of the ice hockey faithful in the southern united states. The LA galaxy is supported by the Hispanic community of LA in very large numbers as is the CD Chivas of the Mexican soccer league playing in the LA Galaxy home stadium the home depot center. I would not doubt that the Rugby Sevens matches at San Diego's Petco Field would be attended in great numbers made up of the Australia, New Zealand, British and South Pacific Island ex pat communities in Southern California. It is not the population numbers that make for great support across the board it is the huge variety in the demographic for South California.
Hateful ignorance no just a knowledge in research of all places .

Jim Jones

SVS u are starting 2 sound as bad as jim!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ICC-cricket-member-nations.png

have a look at the link and re-think your comment about cricket benig a local sport. If u think the distribution on that map shows cricket 2 be a 'local sport' then i want some of what you have been taking!! ;)

As for the premiership, it is the most watched league in the world, and the statndard is very high, arguably the best in the world, alot of the best players in the world play in the premiership. The reason this doesnt translate into world cup success is because most of the best players are from forien nations. The actual england team is pants!


Anyway does anyone know what sort of crowds the rugby games in PEPCO attract? I would have thought it would be easyier and cheaper to play the games in a smaller retangular staduim, LA has got enough of them!

ANyone know anything about the new Randalls Island stadium? Icahn field ?
http://www.risf.org/projects_track2.html

:grouphug:

SVS u are starting 2 sound as bad as jim!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ICC-cricket-member-nations.png

have a look at the link and re-think your comment about cricket benig a local sport. If u think the distribution on that map shows cricket 2 be a 'local sport' then i want some of what you have been taking!! ;)

As for the premiership, it is the most watched league in the world, and the statndard is very high, arguably the best in the world, alot of the best players in the world play in the premiership. The reason this doesnt translate into world cup success is because most of the best players are from forien nations. The actual england team is pants!


Anyway does anyone know what sort of crowds the rugby games in PEPCO attract? I would have thought it would be easyier and cheaper to play the games in a smaller retangular staduim, LA has got enough of them!

Looking at your map, the group of full memberslooks a lot like the old British Empire to me, Britain, Australia, India, Pakistan, South Africa, NZ, etc. Actually I'm surprised that there aren't more full members from the old British colonies in Africa. Since the USA is listed as an affiliate member, which I assume is the second rank, I can't pay too much attention to the other colors. I know there are small numbers of cricketclubs scattered through the world, but there really is a reason that cricket is not an Olympic sport. I accept the fact that cricket is important to you and to a lot of folks scattered throughout the world, just not outside of the old British empire. And as Ihave said before, we have at least three cricket pitches in town that I know of and a functioning league made up mostly of British and South Asian ex-pats.

I don't argue that the premier league is the most watched league due to the penetration of Sky TV in the third world. I think we are getting way to emoptional about all this. These are just games.

I'm not sure about the rugby, but the soccer matches at the Home Depot Center are pretty well sold out as I understand it and with Beckham coming here the attendance will probably go up.

Guys, listen, the London thread was locked because certain people decided to create a city v city thread, or London v LA thread...on "A" LONDON thread....ya...go figure eh? This was at no fault of Londoners or their ilk.

Now this thread has turned into the same thing and here's why. These comments below were unprovoked as well if you read through each page.

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Yes, forgive the typos, I was tired when I posted. Just pointing out another international event for the Brits who refuse to believe anything of importance exists more than ten miles from the Thames.

Continued city v city hostility and created by the thread starter no doubt. Kind of defeats the purpose if the thread's going to be closed. svs I expected a bit better from you.

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jimjones unilaterally, for no reason, started it here, page 2 post #36
Los Angeles will be host to the world figure skating championships in 2009.

This certain puts LA in THE sports capital of the world class.
Hey why not the last time London England hosted this event was 1950 and that was certainly not in an arena above 12,000 capacity.

This is obviously city v city and it really started with this very post.

here, page 2 post #40
Yes the joke went over you head and if you are a guy I am not your MATE LOL. I dont MATE with guys sorry dude.

Figure skating I really classify with cricket as a sport LOL. Actually I am sorry that is not fair to figure skating LOL.

The sports capital of the world started with some london boosters and for all intense purposes they are wrong from the standard that makes the grade
MONEY earned at the box office thru private means.

An escalation of hostility and continued prohibited city v city banter.

On page 2 alone jimjones mentioned London 14 times and remember this is where the city v city crap got started again. It's quite obvious this is the reason for all the bullshit. Myself and others have contributed to this thread in a positive way but it's ironic that jimjones and his defensive posts wants to destroy a thread that he should so vehemently support. Again, it just defeats the purpose.

Here's the plan as well:

http://www.usasevens.com/images/seatingchart.jpg

Thanks! I wonder if they added seating up to the touchline from the outfield wall it would be better, I just don't like that big gap. I would still go for a normal rugby seating set-up and HD would still be my choice for the tourney.

Guys, listen, the London thread was locked because certain people decided to create a city v city thread, or London v LA thread...on "A" LONDON thread....ya...go figure eh? This was at no fault of Londoners or their ilk.

Now this thread has turned into the same thing and here's why. These comments below were unprovoked as well if you read through each page.

Page 1



Continued city v city hostility and created by the thread starter no doubt. Kind of defeats the purpose if the thread's going to be closed. svs I expected a bit better from you.



Let me repeat again, I started this thread because of comments disparaging LA on that London thread that was locked. I do not approve of "city vs. city" spam wars and have tried to explain over again why they cannot be won.

Some of my comments may have been misinterpreted, but for the record I like London a lot, I have visited there many times, I have family there, my sister has given concerts in London which I have attended. I respect London as a sports town and have never said anything negative about the city or its facilities. If I have no personal interest in cricket, it is probably my loss, as it is yours if you have no interest in NFL football. I am not emotional about this but some of my respondents seem to get overly upset over what should just be fun. If any of my attempts to be humerous have offended anyone I apologize.

I invite anyone to come visit S. Cal. I hope you enjoy it as much as I have enjoyed England and Scotland. Now can we be friends, hands across the sea and all that sort of bosh?

If a world cup was held in the new Wembley the stadium would not match one single games attendance that the rose bowl had during 1994.
The New Wembley will not break the single game attendance record set in los angeles' rose bowl for two record soccer games. the record for the largest attendance for a soccer game during an olympics or a fifa womens world cup game.



What has that got to do with anything? So what? The Rose Bowl has a bigger capacity then the New Wembley. That doesn't prove anything. And soccer is much bigger then Basketball internationally please don't dispute that anyone it's silly.

And as for LA. A great sports city but the fundemental flaw to calling it 'World Sporting Capital' is the fact that it's soccer is almost non-exsistant and considering that soccer is the world's most played and watched sport by far. Then how on earth can LA compete when it lacks that monopoly on the world's biggest sport and if anything is right down on the list of great soccer cities. It's a major handicap. No matter how great LA is for NFL, baseball and basketball.

http://www.risf.org/projects_track2.html

:grouphug:

seems like a good place for a soccer game..... maybe Metro/rbny can play an US Open Cup game there.....

And as for LA. A great sports city but the fundemental flaw to calling it 'World Sporting Capital' is the fact that it's soccer is almost non-exsistant and considering that soccer is the world's most played and watched sport by far. Then how on earth can LA compete when it lacks that monopoly on the world's biggest sport and if anything is right down on the list of great soccer cities. It's a major handicap. No matter how great LA is for NFL, baseball and basketball.

A much bigger lack is the lack of an NFL football team. Actually we have two professional soccer teams playing in a 25,000 seat relatively new stadium, the Galaxy, one of the best American soccer teams and the Chivas which is associated with one of the most successful Mexican League teams. Most games are pretty close to sold out, and there are a lot of fans, especially from south of the border. And you couldn't have missed the fact that Beckham is coming here, even if he is past his prime. And we did host the world cup here in 1994. I believe the last time England hosted was in 1966. I also believe we still hold the record for most fans to attend a soccer football game which was set at the 94 world cup at the Rose bowl......So no, I don't think we are all that handicapped by lack of "football".

The second biggest newspaper La Opinion devotes more than half its sports pages to soccer although it doesn't pay much attention to the Premier league.
We do get televised Mexican League and South American games which my Spanish speaking friends tells me is a lot better anyway. I am no afficienado, so I can't really tell myself. I am familiar enough to be able to recognize Andreas Cantor and his cries of ........."GOOOOOOOOOAL!!!!!

And for the fortieth time, I never referred to LA as "the world's sports capital", but as "a world's sports capital". Please don't make this a contest that no one can win.

OMG who would know the Bass player of Led
Zeppelin would have an arena named after him in north carolina ;)

Jim jones



u related?

A much bigger lack is the lack of an NFL football team. Actually we have two professional soccer teams playing in a 25,000 seat relatively new stadium, the Galaxy, one of the best American soccer teams and the Chivas which is associated with one of the most successful Mexican League teams. Most games are pretty close to sold out, and there are a lot of fans, especially from south of the border. And you couldn't have missed the fact that Beckham is coming here, even if he is past his prime. And we did host the world cup here in 1994. I believe the last time England hosted was in 1966. I also believe we still hold the record for most fans to attend a soccer football game which was set at the 94 world cup at the Rose bowl......So no, I don't think we are all that handicapped by lack of "football".

The second biggest newspaper La Opinion devotes more than half its sports pages to soccer although it doesn't pay much attention to the Premier league.
We do get televised Mexican League and South American games which my Spanish speaking friends tells me is a lot better anyway. I am no afficienado, so I can't really tell myself. I am familiar enough to be able to recognize Andreas Cantor and his cries of ........."GOOOOOOOOOAL!!!!!

And for the fortieth time, I never referred to LA as "the world's sports capital", but as "a world's sports capital". Please don't make this a contest that no one can win.

scraping.the.barrel. Those footballing facts are small fry really. LA Galaxy regardless of the Beckham factor on an international scale is a small time club and altho Mexico has produced some great players they still are left in the wake of their European and South American counterparts. Tell me, do you go to Japan, Africa, China, India, Australia or where you may be and see loads of people wearing Chivas football shirts. No you'll mostly see Man United, Real Madrid, AC Milan, Arsenal, Barcelona etc...

No Rose Bowl doesn't hold the record. It may hold the record for an all seated capacity but back in the days when stadiums had no seats the Old Wembley in a FA Cup final in 1923 had nearly 250,000 in the stadium. The official biggest attendance for a world cup match was the 1950 World Cup final. Brazil vs Uruguay at the Maracana Stadium. 199,854 people.

No matter what country the World Cup goes to it will always have people flying from all over the world to watch their teams matches. It just so happens that the Rose Bowl is the biggest all seater capacity stadium for a World Cup match to be held in so far. Say if Austalia one day holds the World Cup and a match is held in Melbourne at the 100,000+ seater MCG then I'm sure the record will be taken. Or with any stadium with a larger capacity that holds a world cup game between two big teams anywhere in the world. So on that point you made yet again it means nothing.

Also. Of course in a city so Hispanic like LA you're gonna get more attention payed to Spanish, South American and Mexican leagues. It's a no brainer. So what does that prove? It doesn't prove that Hispanic leagues are better if a Spanish man says it's better then the Premier League. I personally don't think it's better. It's slower paced and you don't get superstar players like C.Ronaldo, Shevchenko, Henry, Gerrard, Ballack, Tevez, Van Persie playing in South America or Mexico do you? When one of their home grown players become great they end up going to either Spain, Italy or England. But in terms of the quality of the football and players that Spain's La Liga and England's Premierleague has... There isn't much inbetween them. Last season there was an English and Spanish team in the final of the Champions League. The year before an English team won the Champions League. And this year all English teams finished top of their Champions League groups above their Spanish rivals... So how on earth it can be better I dunno. In New York you get more people watching the Premierleague then Spanish leagues. So really it is a matter of geographic location.

So all in all yes LA does lack in Football (Soccer). Sorry.

LA could be the Soccer capital of the US right now, you can't try that excuse. You can't say that just because we don't have a giant soccer field that LA isn't a worthy capital candidate; how many different sports does London support? Baseball, American Football, Oval Racing, Hockey, and Basketball are all international sports. None of them may be THE international sport, but we're still talking about massive followings outside of the Americas.

Home Depot Center is a legit field, if you want to go back to that old debate. Los Angeles has done a fantastic job if incorporating virtually every sport into a field somewhere around the city. London simply stands by its stubborn guns.

LA could be the Soccer capital of the US right now, you can't try that excuse. You can't say that just because we don't have a giant soccer field that LA isn't a worthy capital candidate; how many different sports does London support? Baseball, American Football, Oval Racing, Hockey, and Basketball are all international sports. None of them may be THE international sport, but we're still talking about massive followings outside of the Americas.

Home Depot Center is a legit field, if you want to go back to that old debate. Los Angeles has done a fantastic job if incorporating virtually every sport into a field somewhere around the city. London simply stands by its stubborn guns.

You see this is not a london vs los angeles debate in my mind at all.
You have too much of a clash of cultural values for that. Lets just say the variety is more strongly supported in LA and London has its narrow choice of what it supports and Soccer being a world sport is supported very well even with west ham struggling financially as it is said in the british media. What london does support it supports very well but those are really british empire sports with the exception of soccer which is a world wide sport.

I was going over the records of Wimbledon champions and The US , Australia and mainland Europe have dominated the game over the home field great british players of the last 50 years plus.
The last time a british woman was in the finals was when Virginia Wade won in 1977. The last time a british man was in the finals was 1938 with Buddy Austin. The last time a british man won was 1936 with Fred Perry winning over a NAZI tennis player by the name of Gottfried von Cramm.
American Pete Sampras shares the most mens singles titles with Britian William Renshaw.
The LA area has produced four mutli-wimbledon winners on the womens side
Venus Williams , Serena Williams , Lindsay Davenport and Billy Jean King in the last forty years. The williams sisters and davenport being very recent.
The William sisters are from compton, Lindsay Davenport is from Palos Verdes
California and Billy Jean king is from Long Beach.

To me of the four grand slam sites Americans, Mainland Europeans and Australians seem to have dominated the game as of late.
You could probably put Pete Sampras' name on Flushing Meadows stadium with out much despute although Arthur Ash I am sure would be there because of memorial tribute for his play on the court, civil rights and his hard battle against HIV Aids.
You can have Rod Laver on centre court of the Australian open but really there is not real recent local hero in tennis for the French Open or Wimbledon to have a court named after.

The thing is Wimbledon is Wimbledon with or without the British being a force in that sport. Even if William Renshaw was in the era of a Pete Sampras at Wimbledon beating Pete Sampras I still dont see it being good for a court to be named after in in Wimbledon's case because Wimbledon is such a cut above the rest for stature. Now saying that LA girls have done very well their and that is partly a product of a good sports legacy in south california surrounding the 1984 Olympics. A great all year climate in LA also helps bigtime.


jim jones

scraping.the.barrel. Those footballing facts are small fry really. LA Galaxy regardless of the Beckham factor on an international scale is a small time club and altho Mexico has produced some great players they still are left in the wake of their European and South American counterparts. Tell me, do you go to Japan, Africa, China, India, Australia or where you may be and see loads of people wearing Chivas football shirts. No you'll mostly see Man United, Real Madrid, AC Milan, Arsenal, Barcelona etc...

No Rose Bowl doesn't hold the record. It may hold the record for an all seated capacity but back in the days when stadiums had no seats the Old Wembley in a FA Cup final in 1923 had nearly 250,000 in the stadium. The official biggest attendance for a world cup match was the 1950 World Cup final. Brazil vs Uruguay at the Maracana Stadium. 199,854 people.

No matter what country the World Cup goes to it will always have people flying from all over the world to watch their teams matches. It just so happens that the Rose Bowl is the biggest all seater capacity stadium for a World Cup match to be held in so far. Say if Austalia one day holds the World Cup and a match is held in Melbourne at the 100,000+ seater MCG then I'm sure the record will be taken. Or with any stadium with a larger capacity that holds a world cup game between two big teams anywhere in the world. So on that point you made yet again it means nothing.

Also. Of course in a city so Hispanic like LA you're gonna get more attention payed to Spanish, South American and Mexican leagues. It's a no brainer. So what does that prove? It doesn't prove that Hispanic leagues are better if a Spanish man says it's better then the Premier League. I personally don't think it's better. It's slower paced and you don't get superstar players like C.Ronaldo, Shevchenko, Henry, Gerrard, Ballack, Tevez, Van Persie playing in South America or Mexico do you? When one of their home grown players become great they end up going to either Spain, Italy or England. But in terms of the quality of the football and players that Spain's La Liga and England's Premierleague has... There isn't much inbetween them. Last season there was an English and Spanish team in the final of the Champions League. The year before an English team won the Champions League. And this year all English teams finished top of their Champions League groups above their Spanish rivals... So how on earth it can be better I dunno. In New York you get more people watching the Premierleague then Spanish leagues. So really it is a matter of geographic location.

So all in all yes LA does lack in Football (Soccer). Sorry.

Have it your way if it makes you happy. I refuse to get into a city vs. city feud. I cannot understand why anyone living in London would be so insecure about his obviously important city. I never tried to proove LA is a major soccer center, just that the sport is well represented and growing.

Thing is SV well really have to remember that we are the uncultured colonies over here and we can be very thankful that the european tradition sports of joisting on horseback or duels with pistols or swords didnt take off here. Do they have joisting in London anymore ???

aside from a stupid debate

look at any city in the world you want in regards to the issue and ask

A. how successful are the teams for attendance
B.how successful are the teams for championships
c. how much local ownership is involved with the teams
d. how much public funding is needed for the venues
e. if sports the primary function of the venues
f. what is the life cycle of venues in a city for financial viability
g. does a city go beyond the core native sports to support foreign sports
h. How successful is a city with regards to hosting international events from the standpoint of a balance sheet
j. What type of athletic legacy does a city have from hosting an international event
k. What type of track record does a city have in regards to producing high performance athletes.

The City that has those things at the highest levels could probably be called the sports capital of the world. Objectively taking a view at those ten points
would make it very apparent even with cultural differences or tastes.

jim jones

Just to add a small addendum to this topic.

Melbourne is the "Ultimate sports city".

http://www.arksports.com/index.php?pageId=0066

I also do like LA!

wow.... talk about having to have your sports egos stroked. This thread is nothing but a pissing contest, and not a very good one. Each side of this... banter, is picking they're own axe to grind.

I digress, LA hell-of-a-city to watch any sport in because it's always nice (well except now, they're getting a bit of the Canadian chill), and the fans get into it pretty much all the time. Hockey, of all things is popular down there. I'm not going to talk about London, not because I don't like it, quite the opposite, but this is an LA thread, and it makes it look silly when you talk about something that has nothing to do with the thread title.

What's the word on a roof over the coliseum? It's a beautiful facility, but the lack of a roof is pretty much its biggest detrator. As well a very upgrades such as exec boxes, and a proper news box would really give it an edge in general for a possible NFL team. I've heard that LA might also be host to a second NHL team, which would be blasphemous, but hey, it worked in NY, and Bettman is only trying to make money it seems. For a growing soccer-football power, it's doing well, due to the fact that the Home-Depot stadium can be expanded upon, and if enough people show up, who knows maybe the Galaxy would play in the coliseum? More and more poeple are watching it, and Americans have a tendancy to take a good idea and run with it. I like the Aniheim Convention Centre, it looks f*ckin cool, but is it used much?

wow.... talk about having to have your sports egos stroked. This thread is nothing but a pissing contest, and not a very good one. Each side of this... banter, is picking they're own axe to grind.

I digress, LA hell-of-a-city to watch any sport in because it's always nice (well except now, they're getting a bit of the Canadian chill), and the fans get into it pretty much all the time. Hockey, of all things is popular down there. I'm not going to talk about London, not because I don't like it, quite the opposite, but this is an LA thread, and it makes it look silly when you talk about something that has nothing to do with the thread title.

What's the word on a roof over the coliseum? It's a beautiful facility, but the lack of a roof is pretty much its biggest detrator. As well a very upgrades such as exec boxes, and a proper news box would really give it an edge in general for a possible NFL team. I've heard that LA might also be host to a second NHL team, which would be blasphemous, but hey, it worked in NY, and Bettman is only trying to make money it seems. For a growing soccer-football power, it's doing well, due to the fact that the Home-Depot stadium can be expanded upon, and if enough people show up, who knows maybe the Galaxy would play in the coliseum? More and more poeple are watching it, and Americans have a tendancy to take a good idea and run with it. I like the Aniheim Convention Centre, it looks f*ckin cool, but is it used much?

Well if you are excluding orange county from the great los angeles area then you can say Los Angeles has one NHL hockey team the Anaheim Ducks.
The same exclusion could be made for the los angeles angels of anaheim.

In general I would say LA has two NHL hockey teams regardless if they are in los angeles county or orange county.

jim jones

Thing is SV well really have to remember that we are the uncultured colonies over here and we can be very thankful that the european tradition sports of joisting on horseback or duels with pistols or swords didnt take off here. Do they have joisting in London anymore ???

aside from a stupid debate

look at any city in the world you want in regards to the issue and ask

A. how successful are the teams for attendance
B.how successful are the teams for championships
c. how much local ownership is involved with the teams
d. how much public funding is needed for the venues
e. if sports the primary function of the venues
f. what is the life cycle of venues in a city for financial viability
g. does a city go beyond the core native sports to support foreign sports
h. How successful is a city with regards to hosting international events from the standpoint of a balance sheet
j. What type of athletic legacy does a city have from hosting an international event
k. What type of track record does a city have in regards to producing high performance athletes.

The City that has those things at the highest levels could probably be called the sports capital of the world. Objectively taking a view at those ten points
would make it very apparent even with cultural differences or tastes.

jim jones

I think these are very good points. Personally I am too close to one city to make the evaluation and have no desire to engage in pissing contests especially where opinion is going to be determined on different cultural bases.

Thing is SV well really have to remember that we are the uncultured colonies over here and we can be very thankful that the european tradition sports of joisting on horseback or duels with pistols or swords didnt take off here. Do they have joisting in London anymore ???

jim jones

I don't know about LOndon, but we do have a bit of jousting here in LA.
Photo from renaissance pleasure faire.
http://losangeles.about.com/library/graphics/RenFair.jpg
medieval times orange county
http://www.medievaltimes.com/knightsinaction/images/Medieval%20Times%202005%20313.jpg

What's the word on a roof over the coliseum? It's a beautiful facility, but the lack of a roof is pretty much its biggest detrator. As well a very upgrades such as exec boxes, and a proper news box would really give it an edge in general for a possible NFL team. I've heard that LA might also be host to a second NHL team, which would be blasphemous, but hey, it worked in NY, and Bettman is only trying to make money it seems. For a growing soccer-football power, it's doing well, due to the fact that the Home-Depot stadium can be expanded upon, and if enough people show up, who knows maybe the Galaxy would play in the coliseum? More and more poeple are watching it, and Americans have a tendancy to take a good idea and run with it.

Here is the proposed upgrade to the coliseum. Covered, no completely roofed.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4d/Newlamc.jpg/330px-Newlamc.jpg

As was mentioned above LA already has two NHL teams, the Kings and the Anaheim Ducks, although the way the Kings have been playing of late, you might not be considering them worthy of being a NHL team.

We have used the larger stadiums for soccer football. The Rose bowl was used for the World Cup and the Olympics. And the coliseum has been used for special games such as when the Mexican national team played the American national team.

Just to add a small addendum to this topic.

Melbourne is the "Ultimate sports city".

http://www.arksports.com/index.php?pageId=0066

I also do like LA!

Well I like Melbourne and Sydney. I sent for arksports study and they sent me a copy of the summation. I don't know which is more damning, the fact that this British company ranked London number five or the fact that they didn't bother to rank LA at all!!! They did find room to rank Zagreb and Kuala Lumpur. I am really amazed they didn't rank Torshavn.

It kind of proves the reason I started this thread in the first place, which is that LA doesn't really get the respect it deserves for anything other than movie stars or beaches.

Most of these surveys are really fairly idiotic based more on opinions than facts and are nice starts for discussion but not provable theses.

For instance try this one: go down till you get to the article about the center of the universe.
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:2xWUZx7ZKQQJ:www.hubculture.com/+hub+of+the+universe+los+angeles&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&ie=UTF-8

EVERYONE THAT LOVES SOCCER, WATCHES SOCCER HERE IN LA


Germany http://www.calendarlive.com/media/photo/2006-06/23907375.jpg

Los Angeles Soccer Club, 11466 Chandler Blvd., North Hollywood. (818) 763-5873. Relaxed atmosphere, full bar with German beer and various food. Showing most World Cup games. Call ahead.



Portugal

Artesia DES Portuguese Hall, 11903 E. Ashworth St., Artesia. (562) 865-4693. Family-friendly atmosphere, full bar and specialty food. Showing all Portugal games. Also showing other World Cup games from 7 a.m.



England http://www.calendarlive.com/media/photo/2006-06/23907183.jpg

Cock 'N Bull, 2947 Lincoln Blvd., Santa Monica. (310) 399-9696. Boisterous atmosphere, full bar and English pub menu. Showing all World Cup games with British television commentary.



Japan

Bistro Laramie, 18202 S. Western Ave., Gardena. (310) 532-6555. Hip Japanese crowd, beer and soft drinks and sandwiches. Showing all Japan games. Also showing other World Cup games from 9 a.m.



Trinidad and Tobago http://www.calendarlive.com/media/photo/2006-06/23907334.jpg

Caribbean Treehouse, 1226 Centinela Ave., Inglewood. (310) 330-1170. Carnival atmosphere, children welcome, traditional islands cuisine. Showing all Trinidad and Tobago games. Also showing other World Cup games from 11 a.m. Will open earlier for games upon request.



United States http://www.calendarlive.com/media/photo/2006-06/23907502.jpg

Barney's Beanery, 1351 Third Street Promenade, Santa Monica. (310) 656-5777. Trendy soccer enthusiasts, full bar with 40 draft beers on tap and 102 television screens. Showing all World Cup games.



Iran http://www.calendarlive.com/media/photo/2006-06/23907162.jpg

Caspian Restaurant, 14100 Culver Drive, Irvine. (949) 651-8454. Upscale but passionate crowd, traditional breakfast and sandwiches. Showing all Iran games. Also showing other World Cup games from 9 a.m.



Brazilhttp://www.calendarlive.com/media/photo/2006-06/23907135.jpg

Zabumba, 10717 Venice Blvd., Los Angeles. (310) 841-6525. Child-friendly, festive atmosphere, full bar and specialty food. Showing all Brazil games. Also showing other World Cup games from 9 a.m. Arrive early for Brazil games.[/QUOTE]

^^^^^ That's a great post. Thanks for the info. Anybody else have any sports pubs to add?

I drove past the Shea site recently....... ehh.....

Who cares. I'm off to the Brazil pub!

^^^^^ That's a great post. Thanks for the info. Anybody else have any sports pubs to add?

You see that is why I really understand as a distant canadain ,who would love nothing more then to live and work in LA, that the place has a huge multi-cultural demographic with good amounts of success money wise. Those elements combined are what we see with LA for sports of foreign origin doing so well in LA.

The great lifestyle and climate are a big attraction for the region and thus a
gathering place of the world.

I am sure with professional ice hockey you might even get ex pat Finns and Swedes coming to hockey games to watch Finnish superstar Teemu Selänne of the Anaheim ducks. As much as ice hockey is a canadian national sport and you have a great number of ex pat canadains in so cal the game has caught on with native born people of the region for attending the games as well.

The mixing of cultures in work places opens people views up and perhaps canadain talking about seeing the Kings on the weekend at work gets some hooked on the game that would not normally think of it. The same can go for soccer and other sports not native to america.

The place I can think of that has bars and Community Centres with the soccer faithful from different places around the world in north america is Toronto.
I am sure Boston, New York and Chicago have the same thing but for some reason LA like many things does it on a larger scale.


jim jones

I drove past the Shea site recently....... ehh.....
Trust me, you will like it and all these venues better once you experience the finished product.

A little over a year ago fans were teary-eyed at the last game of Busch Memorial Stadium in St. Louis, thinking that nothing could possibly beat the place they called home for four decades. When they passed through the turnstiles five months later April, old Busch became nothing more than a fading memory.

In four years time with a guaranteed three and potential six brand new world-class stadiums and arenas, it might even be enough to bring a smile to the face of TalB!

:grouphug:

Trust me, you will like it and all these venues better once you experience the finished product.

A little over a year ago fans were teary-eyed at the last game of Busch Memorial Stadium in St. Louis, thinking that nothing could possibly beat the place they called home for four decades. When they passed through the turnstiles five months later April, old Busch became nothing more than a fading memory.

In four years time with a guaranteed three and potential six brand new world-class stadiums and arenas, it might even be enough to bring a smile to the face of TalB!

:grouphug:

I've been to these new stadiums on the east coast. The only one with any class or soul is Camden Yards, with the Jake in distant 2nd.... why? cause when I watch the Yankees play the birds at Camden Yards, thats all I am doing, and that's why I drove 400 miles. to support my team on the road.

The other stadiums make me feel like a consumer whore instead of a baseball fan or Yankees supporter. When you go to a game now at Shea or The Stadium, you are going to see A - the game, and B - your team play the game.

The other stadiums make me feel like a consumer whore...
Unfortunately this is the future of sports and there is no turning back, you will get used to it. New York managed to avoid the trend through the ninties, but now your time has come!

:grouphug:

Unfortunately this is the future of sports and there is no turning back, you will get used to it. New York managed to avoid the trend through the ninties, but now your time has come!

:grouphug:

I understand that my future as a sports fan in this city relies on buying replica jerseys, hats, and a HDTV. Tickets be damned....... I am not the target audience anymore. Crikey.

What about PNC?

Well I like Melbourne and Sydney. I sent for arksports study and they sent me a copy of the summation. I don't know which is more damning, the fact that this British company ranked London number five or the fact that they didn't bother to rank LA at all!!! They did find room to rank Zagreb and Kuala Lumpur. I am really amazed they didn't rank Torshavn.

It kind of proves the reason I started this thread in the first place, which is that LA doesn't really get the respect it deserves for anything other than movie stars or beaches.

Most of these surveys are really fairly idiotic based more on opinions than facts and are nice starts for discussion but not provable theses.

For instance try this one: go down till you get to the article about the center of the universe.
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:2xWUZx7ZKQQJ:www.hubculture.com/+hub+of+the+universe+los+angeles&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&ie=UTF-8

I understand what you are saying. I took the survey with a grain of salt.

One reference you might want to explore is the term Global City.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_city

It evaluates cities based on a number of aspects. I personally think sports is not give enough status. Might want to start a thread on this very term.

What about PNC?

What about PNC?

Well I like Melbourne and Sydney. I sent for arksports study and they sent me a copy of the summation. I don't know which is more damning, the fact that this British company ranked London number five or the fact that they didn't bother to rank LA at all!!! They did find room to rank Zagreb and Kuala Lumpur. I am really amazed they didn't rank Torshavn.

It kind of proves the reason I started this thread in the first place, which is that LA doesn't really get the respect it deserves for anything other than movie stars or beaches.

Most of these surveys are really fairly idiotic based more on opinions than facts and are nice starts for discussion but not provable theses.

For instance try this one: go down till you get to the article about the center of the universe.
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:2xWUZx7ZKQQJ:www.hubculture.com/+hub+of+the+universe+los+angeles&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&ie=UTF-8

Well not to take away from Melbourne at all but being ranked number one by a
British company as the sport city of the world without Los Angeles points to the glaring flaws in that type of review. I would rank los angeles in the list along side melbourne but way ahead of london. How many olympics you host is not a great gauge of a city it is how many you have hosted with profitability that is the key. London 0 Los Angeles 2 . By 2013 that score will be London 0 LA 2. To actually have Zagreb in that ranking without LA shows the incredible bias that is clearly in the realm of idiotic lunacy by a group of people that either so misinformed that it cant be taken seriously or a group of people who cant look past the tips of their upturned noses LOL.

Jim Jones

Here is the proposed upgrade to the coliseum. Covered, no completely roofed.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4d/Newlamc.jpg/330px-Newlamc.jpg
Looks good and from what I understand, it will be a 67,000 seater capacity with room to expand to 80,000 for events like the superbowl.

...but it seems as though there's an allowance for an athletics track to be incorporated for the LA2016 Olympic bid. I would love to know more about that . . . particularly it's confuguration.

LA is good,but no good enough to be a world capital.A sports capital,again no(no NFL representation).World capital cities are:Tokyo,Hong Kong,London,(hate to say it)New York,and Paris.

LA is good,but no good enough to be a world capital.A sports capital,again no(no NFL representation).World capital cities are:Tokyo,Hong Kong,London,(hate to say it)New York,and Paris.


So lets get this straight LA is not a sports capital of the world because it does not currently have a NFL team unlike Tokyo, Hong Kong , London, Paris and New York????

Gee that is a brilliant statement that has so many hole in it your could drive a acela train thru. Tokyo, Hong Kong , London and Paris dont have NFL teams and are nowheres near Los angeles for facilities , teams , elite athletes that have been developed there or have made their living in pro sports teams based in La or visiting LA on a regular basis.

Please go read forbes top 10 paid athletes and you will see what I mean.
David Beckham was the only athlete in that list that did not play in LA with the exception of payton manning and micheal vick. and the former two are more likely to play in LA once the NFL does return to that city then they are to play in paris , london , tokyo or hong kong for any more then an exhibition game. Now Beckham is coming to LA to play instead of new york , paris, hong kong or Tokyo. Gee wonder why the top paid athletes have involvement with LA teams at some point in their careers. It is called the money stupid.

Yes I see your logic that New york is not a sports capital of the world after the NFL does play in the 5 boroughs of new york . The giants and jets play in new jersey LOL.

The four sports capitals of the world are london , los angeles , melbourne and new york. no one is the sports capital of the world but LA would be the only one of those four to possibly have that title by pure divirsity of what is supported and the financial success of their venues and franchises.

jim jones

Looks good and from what I understand, it will be a 67,000 seater capacity with room to expand to 80,000 for events like the superbowl.

...but it seems as though there's an allowance for an athletics track to be incorporated for the LA2016 Olympic bid. I would love to know more about that . . . particularly it's confuguration.

The La Memorial Coliseum redevelopment really is hinged on the olympic bid and if it successful. what you see there is post Olympics for the NFL. Club Seating corporate sections in the stands would come afterwards. The roof would come with the Olympics I am sure and an updating of the seating for the games would probably keep it in the configuration it currently is without the mezzanine levels.
Post games or ithat is f another city wins the bid the changes for the NFL would come when the olympic issue is clear. Who knows the mezzanine levels could come before the olympics but without club seating and in a capacity that was acceptable to the IOC . 80000 seams to be the figure a main stadium has to be for hosting the games.

jim jones

From this render, this new stadium looks like it's going to hold a lot more than just 19,000.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g231/mrfusion1/BA3-1.jpg

From this render, this new stadium looks like it's going to hold a lot more than just 19,000.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g231/mrfusion1/BA3-1.jpg

It is an old fictitious render that will never see the light of day.

I hope they don't feel pressured into adding a roof after the weather tonight....

I hope they don't feel pressured into adding a roof after the weather tonight....
why would they?

Doubt anyone complained. Its a normal thing. They were planning a fully retractable roof already because they want to host events like the final four.

Doubt anyone complained. Its a normal thing. They were planning a fully retractable roof already because they want to host events like the final four.

Are there any images floating around of Dolphin Stadium with a roof over it?

Somewhere on this board are the early articles talking about the phased renovations. No rendering, just mention of it around the time of the Marlins' departure.

I looked for the previous thread but couldn't find it. Please merge this when a mod can.

The new MLS Real Salt Lake stadium

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r133/rslfm/zzz-1.jpg

Converse Judson Rockets....reppin c/o 2001 ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
TeXaS 5A St Champs. 1983-1988-1992-1993-1995-2002 !
Red and Grey all the Way! ! ! ! ! :lol:

The rendering of the scoreboard hardly even looks real, and I doubt that it will even look like that even if it was built.

The rendering of the scoreboard hardly even looks real, and I doubt that it will even look like that even if it was built.
Agreed. And the seating bowl layout is not well thought out either, it pushes the upper deck seats as far away from the floor as possible.

:grouphug:

I thought it got shot down?

that was a rushed what if 2012 IOC rendering....... nothing more than that.

I thought it got shot down?

nope. It's a done deal.

http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=reu-englandarsenal&prov=reuters&type=lgns


....Wenger said the link-up might help Arsenal recruit new young players.

"We develop a few partnerships sometimes with football schools and sometimes with clubs," said the Frenchman. "We are trying to extend our brand.

"We are also trying to extend our technical co-operation because the Americans might produce some players at some stage and that's why we are doing it. We are always trying to develop young players."

According to the Independent, the deal would involve Colorado being renamed Arsenal Colorado or Colorado Arsenal.

The Rapids may also change their strip to a similar maroon one worn by Arsenal to commemorate the club's final year at their old Highbury ground last season.




:ohno:
Yuck, more U.S. soccer teams blatantly ripping European team names as a sign of desperate marketing and insecurity.

The new logo was released and they are still known as Colorado Rapids..... at the moment.

ANyone know anything about the new Randalls Island stadium? Icahn field ?

That was completed a while ago.

http://www.aefsales.com/icahn-stadium.gif

What about PNC?

You feel like a corporate whore at PNC?

That was completed a while ago.

http://www.aefsales.com/icahn-stadium.gif

I want to see a MLS game played here !

http://www.mlsnet.com/gallery/2007/02092007_rsl_stadium/1.jpg

http://www.mlsnet.com/gallery/2007/02092007_rsl_stadium/2.jpg

http://www.mlsnet.com/gallery/2007/02092007_rsl_stadium/3.jpg

http://www.mlsnet.com/gallery/2007/02092007_rsl_stadium/4.jpg

Crafty mormons.

Looks similiar to what the Chicago Fire built.

It's definately got more going on than toyota park, with facade work wrapping around 3 sides not just the 1. I like the white brick and/or stone look better as well, pretty classy. The pedestrian areas around the stadium in the renderings are a nice touch as well.

Looks real nice. Should be one of the nicest in MLS when its done. I like that they plan to put it in a hood as opposed to parking lots as well.

All MLS stadiums will fundamentally look alike for a variety of reasons......

at least it is all around the pitch and not with an open end, ugly roof though... but to be hounest nice stadiuim all in all.

I like it.

Has MLS really advanced in terms of attendance that it can guarantee crowds for a 20,000 stadium

This one looks really good! I really like the wavy roof. When do they start building it?

Has MLS really advanced in terms of attendance that it can guarantee crowds for a 20,000 stadium

I'm not so sure that Salt Lake can after a few years, but in most other cities with franchises, yes.

Even if the team averages 18 k and the stadium holds 20 k.........

Looks much better than the fake Salt Lake MLS stadium!

Has MLS really advanced in terms of attendance that it can guarantee crowds for a 20,000 stadium

People in SLC wanna see Beckham too.

what's the capacity

about 20 k or so...

that was a rushed what if 2012 IOC rendering....... nothing more than that.
Actually it appears to be the current model, and on second thought its a very unique design, I like it!

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g231/mrfusion1/BCB.jpg
Barclays Center

Facts & Figures:
Completion - Planned Fall 2009
Location - Atlantic & Flatbush Avenues, Brooklyn
Capacity - 18,000 Basketball, 20,500 [Maximum With Floor Seating]
Cost - Unknown / Entire Atlantic Yards Project $3,500,000,000

Background: "As the centerpiece of over 8 million square feet of development and open space, the Barclays Center ushers in not only a triumphant return for sports in Brooklyn. It signals a renaissance for Brooklyn. With 14 enhanced entrances, a top-fed upper concourse and 18,000 seats for basketball, the Barclays Center will provide an incomparibly intimate seating experience. Visitors will have the option of taking 10 subway lines and the LIRR, just 8 minutes from Wall Street, 18 minutes from Penn Station and 20 minutes from Times Square or Grand Central Station."

England-based Barclays Bank has paid in excess of $300 million for 20-year naming rights to the venue.

Source: Barclays Center Official Website - NEW! (http://www.barclayscenter.com/)

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Hub plan headed to Hempstead

By Doug Miller

The Nassau Legislature voted 16-2 on Monday to give Lighthouse Development Group its blessing to begin the process of negotiating with the Town of Hempstead over the future development of the 77-acre Nassau Hub site.

But the approval came with a terse admonition from legislators on both sides of the aisle, who warned that many of the existing conditions of the memorandum of understanding between County Executive Thomas Suozzi and Lighthouse were unacceptable, and that not enough had yet been done to alleviate the concerns of the surrounding communities...

Source: Here! (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17828187&BRD=1601&PAG=461&dept_id=477736&rfi=6)

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Garden redo scores point

Paul D. Colford

The state is warming up to a new Madison Square Garden.

Development officials agreed yesterday to study the environmental impact of building a new Garden on Ninth Ave. - a sign that the ambitious project is gaining traction.

Vornado Realty Trust and The Related Cos., the developers that are turning the landmark Farley Post Office on 33rd St. and Eighth Ave. into an extension of Penn Station, haven't yet submitted plans for the entire project, which would also include a new Penn Station, office towers and a new arena.

But they're expected to this spring - and the $500,000 study ordered up by the Empire State Development Corporation would be a necessary first step in building a new Garden...

Source: Here! (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/497986p-419784c.html)

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Garden redo scores point

Paul D. Colford

The state is warming up to a new Madison Square Garden.

Development officials agreed yesterday to study the environmental impact of building a new Garden on Ninth Ave. - a sign that the ambitious project is gaining traction.

Vornado Realty Trust and The Related Cos., the developers that are turning the landmark Farley Post Office on 33rd St. and Eighth Ave. into an extension of Penn Station, haven't yet submitted plans for the entire project, which would also include a new Penn Station, office towers and a new arena.

But they're expected to this spring - and the $500,000 study ordered up by the Empire State Development Corporation would be a necessary first step in building a new Garden...

Source: Here! (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/497986p-419784c.html)

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Damn it. We don't need a new MSG. Just fix the bathrooms and she's set. yes we do need a new train station in the old post office building!

Part of the General Post Office (Farely Bldg) was already built over to have the expansion of Penn Station, and say keep the rest of it by not building another MSG over it.

Part of the General Post Office (Farely Bldg) was already built over to have the expansion of Penn Station, and say keep the rest of it by not building another MSG over it.

correct. The Post Office was built by the people who build the original Penn Station. It's a perfect place for the new train station, but not a new arena.

I take a few minutes out of my day to update a thread, seemingly for two people who do not want any of it built.

Ahh, the irony... :lol:

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I take a few minutes out of my day to update a thread, seemingly for two people who do not want any of it built.

Ahh, the irony... :lol:

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It's important that we discuss this. I may not want it built, but I want to be kept updated of what is happening.

I take a few minutes out of my day to update a thread, seemingly for two people who do not want any of it built.

Ahh, the irony... :lol:

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Mr. Fusion, I am not telling you what to like or hate about these new sports facilities, I am just stating my opinion on them. If you don't like it, then that's your problem, not mine. I feel that the reason that NYC and any other city does not need a new stadium is b/c ticket prices are already as high as it is right now, and a new stadium will only make them higher. Also, I feel that teams do not need a new stadium or arena to compete and it's teams that win championships, not having a new place. As I met with Neil deMause, the authour of Field of Schemes (http://www.fieldofschemes.com/), last summer, he mentioned on how sports owners or getting subsidized bonds at the expense of us taxpayers. I feel that if a new stadium should be built, it should be owners paying for it, not us.

Mr. Fusion, I am not telling you what to like or hate about these new sports facilities, I am just stating my opinion on them. If you don't like it, then that's your problem, not mine.
Not sure where that came from. I stated a fact and noted the irony, nothing more.

I feel that the reason that NYC and any other city does not need a new stadium is b/c ticket prices are already as high as it is right now, and a new stadium will only make them higher. Also, I feel that teams do not need a new stadium or arena to compete and it's teams that win championships, not having a new place. As I met with Neil deMause, the authour of Field of Schemes (http://www.fieldofschemes.com/), last summer, he mentioned on how sports owners or getting subsidized bonds at the expense of us taxpayers. I feel that if a new stadium should be built, it should be owners paying for it, not us.
I completely agree. Professional sports are a multi-billion dollar industry which can afford to build these monuments to themselves. :yes:

That said, the reality is team owners can manipulate their way into receiving taxdollars, so naturally they take advantage of this. There is also little we can do about it, as there is nothing stopping owners from taking their team [and their economic benefit] elsewhere. :sly:

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The NY owners can not lie and say they need new buildings in order to compete for championships.....

I completely agree. Professional sports are a multi-billion dollar industry which can afford to build these monuments to themselves. :yes:

That said, the reality is team owners can manipulate their way into receiving taxdollars, so naturally they take advantage of this. There is also little we can do about it, as there is nothing stopping owners from taking their team [and their economic benefit] elsewhere. :sly:

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I didn't think you were going to agree with that, b/c from your previous posts in this thread, you seemed to be against me.

I didn't think you were going to agree with that, b/c from your previous posts in this thread, you seemed to be against me.
I understand your pain with losing these older facilities. I had a chance to visit Lambeau Field both before and after the renovation that took place between 2001 and 2003. I remember standing at the edge of the south parking lot back in 1999... Imagine a bleak, gray overcast sky, with half a mile of endless worn-out blacktop in front of you, raising up towards a stadium built of concrete, corrugated sheet metal and glass. Right then, I realized why Lambeau was such an intimidating place to play. When I visited in 2003, the seating bowl was there [which is good], but the rest of the stadium has been turned into a five-star hotel. In my opinion it has lost a lot of the homefield advantage they once held. :no:

Where you have been sympathetic to these older stadia and arenas in this thread [and rightfully so], I have taken more of a realist approach. If it sounded like I was against you, apologies. But I am not, and I wholly understand your thoughts. If I sound excited to watch these old facilities be replaced, it is only because I do not have the connection you have with them.

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My grandmother went to Yankee Stadium to watch Ruth and Gherigg play. My mother went to watch Yogi, Whitey, and Mickey play. I went to the stadium to watch Mattingly play, and now I just go to see the Yankees play. That's 3 generations of 1 family at the stadium.

It's easier to accept that a new stadium is need for the betterment of the team, but obviously that is not the case here.

My grandfather and mother used to go to Rangers games at MSG III. My grandfather never made it to MSG IV.

Don't know if this was posted before, too lazy too look in the thread....

The proposed rennovations for MSG before they thought about building new....

http://www.ellerbebecket.com/portfolio_template_226.html


http://www.ellerbebecket.com/uploads/madgardenREV_ext_diagram.jpg


http://www.ellerbebecket.com/uploads/madgardenREV_ext_aerial1.jpg

My grandmother went to Yankee Stadium to watch Ruth and Gherigg play. My mother went to watch Yogi, Whitey, and Mickey play. I went to the stadium to watch Mattingly play, and now I just go to see the Yankees play. That's 3 generations of 1 family at the stadium.

Yeah usually when time advances, more people get born.

you simply can't compare the original Yankee Stadium to what it is now. Same location, but vastly different building thanks to renovation after renovation.

you simply can't compare the original Yankee Stadium to what it is now. Same location, but vastly different building thanks to renovation after renovation.

granted. but it's still the same location. all the place needed was a $200 mil rennovation..... nothing more than that.

It is a shame to loose a great stadium like Shea Stadium, and I don't care how ugly it was said to be.

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/1958/indexstock549951bpd4.jpg

it's ugly, but it gets the job done.... it's NYC....

It would be nice if the Jets moved back to Flushing, to have a "New York" named team play within the states boundaries again. :hug:

It would be nice if the Jets moved back to Flushing, to have a "New York" named team play within the states boundaries again. :hug:

Queens needs a MLS team in Flushing Meadows Park.

Queens Park Rangers would be perfect.

Work to Start on $1.4 Billion Meadowlands Stadium

The budget is up to $1.4 billion, the design work is finishing, and now a late spring or early summer groundbreaking is on the calendar for a new 82,000-seat stadium that will be the new home for the New York Giants and New York Jets pro football franchises in East Rutherford, N.J.

The original budget released last year, when the two teams announced their joint plan, was $750 million, which later rose to $1 billion in the spring of 2006 and has since grown to the current $1.4 billion tab, an increase that a spokeswoman for the teams attributed to rising construction costs. The existing Giants Stadium, designed by Hellmuth, Obata and Kassabaum Sport of Kansas City, opened in 1976 and cost $75 million to build.

The new stadium that would open in 2010 is set to rise in the existing parking lot of the Meadowlands sports complex roughly in the center of a triangle between the three existing venues on the site – Giants Stadium, the harness racetrack, and the Continental Airlines Arena – and next to a new $150 million rail station that New Jersey Transit is building. The new facility is being designed as an open-air venue with 217 luxury box suites, and would also host concerts and other events....

Source: Here! (http://newyork.construction.com/news/newswatch/archive/2007/02.asp)

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Sorry, what will happen with the Giants Stadium? I can't find it in the thread.

Sorry, what will happen with the Giants Stadium? I can't find it in the thread.

it'll become a car park, just like every other stadium becomes these days......

it'll become a car park, just like every other stadium becomes these days......

Thats sad. I must come to NY before you can't visit it anymore....

Thats sad. I must come to NY before you can't visit it anymore....

come on over. NYC loves tourists. Maybe more so than the people who live here. :)

Work to Start on $1.4 Billion Meadowlands Stadium


The original budget released last year, when the two teams announced their joint plan, was $750 million, which later rose to $1 billion in the spring of 2006 and has since grown to the current $1.4 billion tab, an increase that a spokeswoman for the teams attributed to rising construction costs. luxury box suites, and would also host concerts and other events....

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Good grief that is a steep cost increase. I worry seeing such numbers on how the Chi Olympic stadium will may actually cost with those kind of revised estimates.

it's a waste really. rennovate the current stadium, that's all that is needed. Add the rail transport, and yer good to go.

http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMjgmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTcwODk5NjMmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2
Nets may stay in N.J. until 2010

Thursday, March 8, 2007

By JOHN BRENNAN
STAFF WRITER

The Nets won’t be moving to Brooklyn until 2010 -- a year later than the team has been vowing to leave Continental Arena -- two executives affiliated with Nets principal owner Bruce Ratner told a group of investment analysts this week.

But on Thursday, Forest City Enterprises Chief Executive Charles Ratner -- Bruce's brother -- said in a “clarification” that he didn’t mean it.

“When I was discussing the arena, I was referring to the arena block, which includes the Barclays Center [the Nets arena] as well as four surrounding buildings,” Charles Ratner said in a statement. “We expect the office and residential buildings to come on line beginning in 2010. We remain committed to our goal of opening the arena in time for the 2009-10 season.”

The arena’s construction is well behind schedule — a fact acknowledged by Forest City Vice President Bob O’Brien during the Web cast with analysts on Tuesday at the Citigroup Global Property CEO conference.

At this time a year ago, Nets officials were hoping to break ground on a temporary platform over a rail yard near downtown Brooklyn by October 2006 and break ground on the arena 10 months later, in August 2007. That might have allowed enough time for an opening in the fall of 2009-2010, but work on the Vanderbilt Yards site has been underway for only a few weeks, potentially pushing back any arena work until late this year or early in 2008.

O’Brien, while discussing the construction schedule, referred to a timeline that would have “the ball team open in ... 10-11?”

“10-11,” Charles Ratner confirmed, referring to the 2010-11 NBA season.

E-mail: brennan@northjersey.com

The Nets won’t be moving to Brooklyn until 2010
That sounds right, to put up an arena in two and a half years time would be pushing it. :hug:

Fenway--Best baseball stadium in America

Fenway--left side of photo...look for red grandstand.
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/1/19/Boston_Back_Bay.jpg

http://k43.pbase.com/u7/dellybean/large/35699275.fenwaypark.jpg

http://mike.kruckenberg.com/images/fenway_park_2006.jpg

http://photos14.flickr.com/18480637_779cd6fd5b.jpg

http://www.math.tamu.edu/~bwinn/PICTURES/ROCHESTER/fenwaypark.jpg

Fenway's famous Green Monster--Stops many a homerun. Original manual scoreboard. (Sox down 5-0 in the top of the first--that's not good).
http://alumni.media.mit.edu/~dbecker/photopages/boston/pics/23_fenway.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~heritageacad/BlogImageStore/2004.JPG

The world is right...Sox ahead of Yanks by 1 game
http://graphics.boston.com/images/bostondirtdogs//Headline_Archives/alrace2_bg.jpg

Gillette Stadium--Home of New England Patriots--3 time Super Bowl Champs. Located halfway between Boston and Providence in Foxboro, MA. (25 miles south of Boston)

http://www.fussballtempel.net/concacaf/USA/Gillette2.jpeg

http://www.skypic.com/ma/5-9900.jpg

http://www.skypic.com/ma/1-9900.jpg

http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~mlo/boston/assets/ygpC05D.jpg

http://www.thisisct.net/photos/20050050.jpg

http://www.spopia-shiratori.co.jp/hana/images2409/002_large.jpg

http://www.concacaf.com/competitions/goldcup/2005/downloads/GILLETTE_STADIUM/Gillette2.jpg

Slamming Payton Manning

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/lmo1974/jeffpatssign.jpg

Harvard University football stadium in Alston section of Boston

http://outlier.stanford.edu/photos/family/usinvasion/harvard/soldier-field.jpg

http://www.skypic.com/colleges/5-8860.jpg

Boston College football stadium--Chestnut Hill outside of Boston

http://football.ballparks.com/NCAA/BigEast/BostonCollege/aerial.jpg

TD BankNorth Center--Home of Boston Celtics (basketball) and Boston Bruins (hockey)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/fr/2/2f/Td_banknorth.JPG

http://www.bostonapartments.com/stadiums-fleetcenter.jpg

http://www.dougloudenback.com/hornets/Boston.TDBanknorth1.jpg

http://images.yelp.com/bphoto/Q6ASwXxZNBhbdr8SEJ-BCg/l

http://www.basketballphoto.com/images/scoreboardfullwebsmall.jpg

http://members.tripod.com/allstondave/Tour2006TDBankNorthGarderfar.jpg

Agganis Arena--Hockey and Basketball Arena--Boston University

http://www.agcmass.org/emplibrary/Agganis-1.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ed/Inside_Agganis_Arena.jpg/325px-Inside_Agganis_Arena.jpg

the new Giants/Jets stadium price tag is now $1.6 billion. ha!

nice pics..
do you have any pics about the old Boston Garden?
thanks

That sounds right, to put up an arena in two and a half years time would be pushing it. :hug:

Keep in mind that the project is still proposed and Ratner could loose it all in court or if the NBA Board of Governors do not approove the relocation.

Top baseball season is around the corner.

1- Tropicana Field, Tampa Bay
2- Dolphin Stadium, Miami
3- The Metrodome, Minneapolis
4- Shea Stadium, New York
5- RFK Stadium, D.C.


Shea Stadium isn't that bad. I agree with those other one's, Those Football converted for Baseball one's are quite horrid.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/70/160496156_3d88482255_b.jpg

The is are here.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/sets/72157594155645070/with/160496836/

i never saw a picture that showed Fenway's relationship to Pru Center, the Hancock, Bay Bay, and the Charles as this one. Fabulous shot.

Keep in mind that the project is still proposed and Ratner could loose it all in court or if the NBA Board of Governors do not approove the relocation.

the relocation will be approved..... Brooklyn = NYC = $$

nice pics..
do you have any pics about the old Boston Garden?
thanks


the only good thing that existed in that decrepid city.....

having live in both nyc and boston, both cities are great. You need to get out of the boroughs man...you obviously haven't been to boston.

Keep in mind that the project is still proposed and Ratner could loose it all in court or if the NBA Board of Governors do not approove the relocation.
But I thought the Atlantic Yards project has been approved in its entirety, including Barclays Center. See article in post #106.

When was the last time any professional sports franchise was successfully blocked from moving? Granted its possible but not likely.

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But I thought the Atlantic Yards project has been approved in its entirety, including Barclays Center. See article in post #106.

When was the last time any professional sports franchise was successfully blocked from moving? Granted its possible but not likely.

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It appears the NHL blocked the moving of the Pittsburgh Penguins..... thus the first attempted sale fell through....

having live in both nyc and boston, both cities are great. You need to get out of the boroughs man...you obviously haven't been to boston.

Been to Boston 12 times. I didn't say I don't have a fun time when I'm there.... but it's my olbigation to rag on this inferior city with inferior people.... That city hasn't done a damn thing for this country since the American Revolution..... I thank you for your services then...... and then you a$$hats go and destroy the Boston Garden..... and then you go and destroy the elevated Green line.... at least ya'll kept Fenway..... the last relics of an American Institution that your city has to offer....

No Ameriquest (Ballpark in Arlington) love?

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i think the name now is RANGER STADIUM @ THE BALLPARK in ARLINGTON

something like that i heard the news say it.... but i'll still call it the ballpark

LOL...no problem man. You continue to vent....get it off your chest. (Didn't know anyone, let alone a New Yorker, cared much about the elevated section of the Green Line). Email me next time you come to town, this "inferior" Bostonian will buy you a pint.

LOL...no problem man. You continue to vent....get it off your chest. (Didn't know anyone, let alone a New Yorker, cared much about the elevated section of the Green Line). Email me next time you come to town, this "inferior" Bostonian will buy you a pint.

Appreciate the offer. Was supposed to make there this Sat for the Rangers game actually, but couldn't get out of work. :)

Been to Boston 12 times. I didn't say I don't have a fun time when I'm there.... but it's my olbigation to rag on this inferior city with inferior people.... That city hasn't done a damn thing for this country since the American Revolution..... I thank you for your services then...... and then you a$$hats go and destroy the Boston Garden..... and then you go and destroy the elevated Green line.... at least ya'll kept Fenway..... the last relics of an American Institution that your city has to offer....

:banana: :banana: ^^ :nuts:

Slamming Payton Manning

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/lmo1974/jeffpatssign.jpg



Sorry dude. No longer valid.

talk to me when he gets two more...'till then, he's a one-hit wonder.

Appreciate the offer. Was supposed to make there this Sat for the Rangers game actually, but couldn't get out of work. :)


B's aren't doing too well...what's new. Rangers will get into the playoff though...been to several Rangers games at the Garden.

Mr. Fusion, an owner cannot arbitrairly move a team, it has to be approoved by the NBA Board of Governors. The same thing happened when the Grizzlies left Vancouver for Memphis as well as the Hornets leaving from Charlotte to New Orleans. If a number of them vote against the move, it will thrawrt the Nets going to Brooklyn. The approoval by the city and state prior to this does not affect their decision.

Correct. Even if the NBA did not approve the franchise move, I do not see that preventing the Nets moving to Brooklyn. In 1995 the Los Angeles Rams moved to St. Louis without the approval of the NFL. The Rams were taken to court but they ultimately won as they are not in LA.

On what grounds, other than "we do not want you to leave the state because your heritage is rooted in New Jersey" would the NBA attempt to block it? I think they will recognize the investment in Barclays Center as a positive business move for the league.

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Coors Field is pretty decent.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Coors_field_1.JPG/800px-Coors_field_1.JPG

But one of my favourites is Miller Park.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7c/Miller_Park.jpg/800px-Miller_Park.jpg

rogers centre, heart of the city, unique stadium, when full its amazing,....go jays go

[QUOTE=gerryflood;12254325]Fenway--Best baseball stadium in America

Fenway--left side of photo...look for red grandstand.
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/1/19/Boston_Back_Bay.jpg



One of the most spectacular shots of Boston ever.

the best of the old: Wrigley

the best of the new: AT&T

B's aren't doing too well...what's new. Rangers will get into the playoff though...been to several Rangers games at the Garden.

I support the Original 6. But F Boston! Ahh the Rangers.... how I love them.

Correct. Even if the NBA did not approve the franchise move, I do not see that preventing the Nets moving to Brooklyn. In 1995 the Los Angeles Rams moved to St. Louis without the approval of the NFL. The Rams were taken to court but they ultimately won as they are not in LA.

On what grounds, other than "we do not want you to leave the state because your heritage is rooted in New Jersey" would the NBA attempt to block it? I think they will recognize the investment in Barclays Center as a positive business move for the league.

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The Nets heritage is actually on Long Island, where Brooklyn is located. mute point though.

Man..just when I thought you were coming around...now you go acting like a true new yanker....sorry new yorker.

Man..just when I thought you were coming around...now you go acting like a true new yanker....sorry new yorker.

haha yes. :)

http://luca.as.arizona.edu/~oppen/Fenway/Images/119-1970_IMG.jpg

A feast for your eyes. Enjoy!

http://luca.as.arizona.edu/~oppen/Fenway/Images/119-1970_IMG.jpg

http://luca.as.arizona.edu/~oppen/Fenway/Images/fenway_small.jpg

http://hudson.typepad.com/unionpix/nypost2.jpg

http://adweek.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/redsox.jpg

http://www-mtl.mit.edu/~scchen/public/pics/2004.12%20THE%20JOY%20OF%20SOX/Varitek%20punch%20Arod.bmp

http://www-mtl.mit.edu/~scchen/public/pics/2004.12%20THE%20JOY%20OF%20SOX/parade1.bmp

http://redsoxchick.mlblogs.com/red_sox_chick/images/arod_slap_4.jpg

http://cephas.net/photos/2004/fenway_park_photo_tour/DSCN1733.jpg

I was at Wrigley Field last year during the summer. Was an awesome experience! Only ballpark I've been to (I've seen Shea and Yankee, but didn't actually see a game there) so I'll refrain from actual rank-age. Here are some shots I took though (it was the horrible game against the Mets where they had something like 11 runs in one inning....)

http://k53.pbase.com/o4/48/583048/1/64763904.gQYau7mi._MG_7401.jpg

http://i.pbase.com/o5/48/583048/1/67307236.pTjM6dFs._MG_7406.jpg

http://i.pbase.com/o5/48/583048/1/67307237.L7fpnvdl._MG_7425.jpg
(yes I left the stadium early, I know I am a bad person :()

http://i.pbase.com/o5/48/583048/1/67307239.3bCHAcMC._MG_7429.jpg

wow, amazing pics th0m, the first one especially. Hope you had a great time. Gets me excited thinking about the hot girls at Wrigley night games soon to come.:cheers:

Nice, pics gerryflood, excellent thread all-around. Of all the cities I want to visit in the US (that I haven't been to), Boston is definetly #1.

Im lovin these pics..
anyone from a big city could easily underestimate boston. but somethin about the tradition here makes up for the size of beantown. red sox and the patriots are 2 nasty franchises. celtics have the history, a glorious history. bruins...some good moments I guess.. and the revolution, who are the perennial #2 in the league.

Show some love to the City of Angels and her Dodgers

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g189/FROMLOSANGELES/DODGERPANO-1.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g189/FROMLOSANGELES/DODGersatnight.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g189/FROMLOSANGELES/DODGERPANO2.jpg

I hate the NE Revolution, but I do love Boston (at least from what I've seen of it).

Tell me more about this...... Revolution......

They are Boston's MLS team, and play at Gillette Stadium in Foxborough. I believe they are owned by the same guy as the Patriots.

The Bruins suck, The Revolution are useless, and don't even get me started with that sorry excuse for a baseball team. The only thing respectable in Boston is Boston College hockey, and that's in Chesnut Hill!

Go BOSOX. You know you love 'em man. It's okay to admit it.

The Bruins suck, The Revolution are useless, and don't even get me started with that sorry excuse for a baseball team. The only thing respectable in Boston is Boston College hockey, and that's in Chesnut Hill!
Yeah, you're right... Red Auerbach, Bill Russel, Larry Bird, and a total of 16 NBA Championships is not respectable at all...

The Bruins suck, The Revolution are useless, and don't even get me started with that sorry excuse for a baseball team. The only thing respectable in Boston is Boston College hockey, and that's in Chesnut Hill!

Why are the Revolution useless?

The Bruins suck, The Revolution are useless, and don't even get me started with that sorry excuse for a baseball team. The only thing respectable in Boston is Boston College hockey, and that's in Chesnut Hill!

hmm i seem to remember some football team that in recent years had some success. Oh yeah, and the blue jay's FANS suck much worse than the sox. I agree with BC hockey. I go to BC and it is definitely the most under appreciated sport.

They are Boston's MLS team, and play at Gillette Stadium in Foxborough. I believe they are owned by the same guy as the Patriots.

They need to build a smaller stadium just for them cuz playing at Gillete kills the atmosphere.

They need to build a smaller stadium just for them cuz playing at Gillete kills the atmosphere.

what are the chances of a soccer stadium being built in downtown Boston?

have you got any more pics of the Boston College stadium?

A downtown stadium...an impossiblity. Land it to scarce and too expensive. Possible on the waterfront, down by the new convention center, but still would be hard to build. Sox were exploring building a new stadium on the waterfront and resident in South Boston (adjacent n'hood) objected. NIMBY is big in Boston.

A downtown stadium...an impossiblity. Land it to scarce and too expensive. Possible on the waterfront, down by the new convention center, but still would be hard to build. Sox were exploring building a new stadium on the waterfront and resident in South Boston (adjacent n'hood) objected. NIMBY is big in Boston.
Yeah, except he was talking about a soccer stadium, where as you're referencing Boston's most beloved sports team. And if even the holy grail of the Red Sox would have difficulty building a downtown stadium, an MLS franchise can just forget it altogether.

They need to build a smaller stadium just for them cuz playing at Gillete kills the atmosphere.
Yeah, but it would be a waste of money. For most MLS teams, moving to smaller stadiums which they actually own saves money, b/c they no longer have to pay tenant fees to NFL teams for using the stadiums. But in this case, it would be a waste of money, since the Revs pay no money to the Pats, b/c the same guy owns both of them (as well as the stadium, i think).

Yeah, except he was talking about a soccer stadium, where as you're referencing Boston's most beloved sports team. And if even the holy grail of the Red Sox would have difficulty building a downtown stadium, an MLS franchise can just forget it altogether.

But a MLS term certainly wouldn't draw the same NIMBY attention as the Red Sux would.... no ??

^^I don't know... I think they would. A stadium is a stadium, and its virtually unheard of these days to build a stadium without big parking lots. I think a soccer stadium would be less likely to succeed. Both types of stadiums would be opposed by some people b/c of NIMBYism, but the baseball stadium would have some supporters b/c of the love Boston has of the Sox. where as The Revs, who have little to no fanbase, so there would be little support for a stadium.

This is all just my opinion, so don't take it as complete fact.

You're right...a MLS stadium would be smaller than a new Fenway so perhaps no NIMBY. BTW: when does the new Yank-me Stadium open?

Wouldn't the local expat population support a downtown MLS stadium on the T line ?

MLS is terrible to marketing at ex-pats.

WELCOME 2 THE BEST GAME EVER INVENTED, THE ORIGINAL GRIDIRON GAME.
THANX 2 ALL WHO REPLY.

http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/images/2001_02/main_images/nfl/helmets/afc.jpg


CLEVELAND, OHIO - CLEVELAND BROWNS
http://football.ballparks.com/NFL/ClevelandBrowns/aerial.gif

BALTIMORE, MARYLAND - BALTIMORE RAVENS
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2550/untitledil2.png


KANSAS CITY, MISSSOURI - KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/afc/arrowmain2.jpg

JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA - JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Bleachers/1282/alltel05.gif

MIAMI GARDENS, FLORIDA - DOLPHIN STADIUM
http://z.about.com/d/miami/1/7/K/3/Dolphin_Stadium-4660.jpg

FOXBORO, MASS - NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/afc/gilmain.jpg

MEADOWLANDS, NEW JERSEY - NEW YORK GIANTS & NEW YORK JETS
http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/afc/giantsjetsmain2.jpg

PITTSBURGH, Pennsylvania - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.iatse3.com/files/Heinz_field_day.jpg&usg=__TOoh9TsK0LsBsob2xjAh2Rr_nXg=

DENVER, COLORADO - DENVER BRONCOS
http://www.nsrider.com/gallerymain/buildings/invesco-field.jpg

NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE - TENNESSEE TITANS
http://www.bestsportsphotos.com/images/nashville_small.jpg

HOUSTON, TEXAS - HOUSTON TEXANS
http://www.ppg.com/car_indcoat/images/ReliantStadium.jpg

OAKLAND, CALIFORNIA - OAKLAND RAIDERS
http://www.ballparks.com/baseball/american/oaklan70.jpg

CINCINATTI, OHIO - CINCINATTI BENGALS
http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/afc/paul107.jpg

SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA - SAN DIEGO CHARGERS
http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/afc/qualmain2.jpg

BUFFALO, NY - BUFFALO BILLS
http://football.ballparks.com/NCAA/SEC/Tennessee/aerial3.jpg

INDIANAPOLIS, INDIANA - WORLD CHAMPION INDIANAPOLIS COLTS]:bash:
http://www.lucasoil.com/images/medialibrary/stadium_lg.jpg

http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/images/2001_02/main_images/nfl/helmets/nfc.jpg

DALLAS, TEXAS - DALLAS COWBOYS
http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/future/cowboys752.jpg

*********, NORTH CAROLINA - CAROLINA PANTHERS
http://www.skylinepictures.com/*********_Panthers_Stadium_car8_large.jpg

ST. LOUIS, MISSOURI - St. LOUIS RAMS
http://users.california.com/~csuppes/NFL/St.LouisRams/front.jpg

*******, ILLINOIS - ******* BEARS
http://football.ballparks.com/NFL/ChicagoBears/***aerial.jpg

PHILADELPHIA, PENNSYLVANIA - PHILLY EAGLES
http://football.ballparks.com/NFL/PhiladelphiaEagles/***aerial.jpg

CHEVY CHASE, MARYLAND - WASHINGHTON D.C. - REDSKINS
http://football.ballparks.com/NFL/WashingtonRedskins/aerial.jpg

TEMPE, ARIZONA - ARIZONA CARDINALS
http://dailyheadlines.uark.edu/images/Eisenman_stadium.jpg

DETROIT, MICHIGAN - DETROIT LIONS
http://football.ballparks.com/NFL/DetroitLions/***front.jpg


ATLANTA, GEORGIA - ATLANTA FALCONS
http://www.atlantaphotos.com/images/images_big/ACVB_Dome_aerial.jpg

GREENBAY, WISCONSIN - GREENBAY PACKERS
http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/nfc/lambmain2.jpg

MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA - MINNESOTA VIKINGS
http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/future/vikings700.jpg

SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA - MONSTER PARK
http://pit.finiteloop.org/~toli/gallery/albums/planeDinner/IMG_3589.jpg

TAMPA, FLORIDA - TAMPA BAY BUCANEERS
http://www.sptimes.com/***s/webspecials/superbowl2001/photos/staduim2.jpg

*** ORLEANS - LOUISIANA SUPERDOME
http://www.i-sportsbook.com/football/saintsreturnhome/6.jpg

SEATTLE, WASHINGTON - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/pwright1/seattle2/seattle172Small.jpg

Nice post.
Qwest Field in Seattle and the stadium in Cincinnati are my favourites.

*******, NY - ******* BILLS
http://football.ballparks.com/NCAA/SEC/Tennessee/aerial3.jpg
This is Neyland Stadium in Knoxville, Tennessee. :hug:

No Ralph Wilson Stadium? Ok, then. I guess I'll post it.

http://imagesource.art.com/images/products/regular/10108000/10108060.jpg

No Ralph Wilson Stadium? Ok, then. I guess I'll post it.

http://imagesource.art.com/images/products/regular/10108000/10108060.jpg

Sorry about that I guess no one knows what the bills stadium looks like


i will fix post when i get the time

Damn why are the words ***s and **** not cleared in this post

***!!! arrghhhh

Nice collection.
Reliant stadium would be my favourite out of that list.

No roofs?




























:D

Great pics...thanks for posting them. I like Reliant Field the best...fans seem to hang over the field.

http://www.concacaf.com/competitions/goldcup/2005/downloads/RELIANT_STADIUM/Reliant.png

Great pics...thanks for posting them. I like Reliant Field the best...fans seem to hang over the field.

http://www.concacaf.com/competitions/goldcup/2005/downloads/RELIANT_STADIUM/Reliant.png

100,000 yanks hanging over the field. Now there's an interesting thought.

Great pics...thanks for posting them. I like Reliant Field the best...fans seem to hang over the field.

http://www.concacaf.com/competitions/goldcup/2005/downloads/RELIANT_STADIUM/Reliant.png

This should be the scene at Reliant Stadium every week.

^^That would be awesome!

Reliant has my fav interior together with the Estadio da Luz in Lisbon:

http://www.dydy.ch/euro.04/images/Euro%202004%20Portugal%20-%20Estadio%20da%20Luz%2C%20Lisboa%3B%20ENG-POR.jpg

Great pics...thanks for posting them. I like Reliant Field the best...fans seem to hang over the field.

http://www.concacaf.com/competitions/goldcup/2005/downloads/RELIANT_STADIUM/Reliant.png


The Houston Dynamo should just move in here and drive the local nfl team out into the sea.

The Houston Dynamo should just move in here and drive the local nfl team out into the sea.


yeah but see they actually want to fill the stadium....but at least the Dynamo has competant managament. what do i care....I'm a Cowboy fan. Our stadium will be the best once it's finished in 2009.

yeah but see they actually want to fill the stadium....but at least the Dynamo has competant managament. what do i care....I'm a Cowboy fan. Our stadium will be the best once it's finished in 2009.

You may just be right about that. It's certainly an impressive monster of a stadium. In fact, if I were a betting man, I'd bet that Dallas will host the superbowl in 2011 in large part because of it. I'd guess that Indy will host in 2012 or 2013.

I'm slightly prejudiced... <cough> but my favorite NFL stadium is Lucas Oil Stadium... or "The Luke" here in Indy. It's about 300' tall (about 100 meters) 70,000 seats, retractable roof, retractable windows. Here are a few more renders, a live updating construction webcam shot and some links:

SSC thread:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=445872

Early video flythrough:
http://www.in.gov/iscba/media/flythrough.html

Official site with tons of construction pics and renders:
http://www.in.gov/iscba/

http://www.in.gov/iscba/media/photos/renderings_522/AerialNE.jpg
http://www.in.gov/iscba/media/photos/renderings_522/i-70.jpg
http://www.in.gov/iscba/media/photos/renderings_807/east_plaza.jpg

http://oxblue.com/archive/8252a53cdf135347c0dd1d16228b6ff2/1024x768.jpg?area=hotitems

Wow, impressed with the 'Luke'! It should really have its own thread here. The website is pretty helpful, and the construction is further on than I'd imagined.

Just one thing: The 'Night Crowd' render obviously shied away from using 70k+ people, probably because it would have killed the CAD software. Instead, they achieve a similar effect, with (if you look closely) what appears to be vast quantities of what can only be described as 'gritty foam'. Effective!

http://www.in.gov/iscba/media/photos/renderings_522/BowlNightCrowd.jpg

'The Luke' looks like an old power station (Battersea in London etc).

'The Luke' looks like an old power station (Battersea in London etc).


I'ts built in the old Hoosier Fieldhouse style that originated in Indiana more than a hundred years ago. Here are a few good examples from Indianapolis alone. Similar structures are all over the region:

Indiana State Fairgrounds Coliseum
http://www.indy.org/library/2005Docs/Mar/7788677/BLD-165.1.jpg

Butler University, Hinkle Fieldhouse, the most famous. Countless movie and tv scenes have been filmed in it and around it.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/indiana/indianapolis_hinkle.jpg

Conseco Fieldhouse, home of the Pacers, just a few blocks from The Luke. About 5 years old, a bit of a modernist version of the Hoosier design. Considered by most to be the best basketball arena in the world.
http://basketball.ballparks.com/NBA/IndianaPacers/newfront.jpg

And now... The Luke
http://www.in.gov/iscba/media/photos/renderings_522/AerialNE.jpg

still do not understand why the capacity of the reliant stadium is only 70.000
Looks so much bigger to me

Some pics of stadiums in the Dallas-Ft.Worth Area.

Sorry, thread under construction.

no pics to be seen... Fix it!!!!

no pics to be seen... Fix it!!!!

i dont know whats wrong with it.

As everyone hates on Los Angeles. They still will become the American representative for the 2016 Olympics

Looks like a UFO landed in Soldier field

As everyone hates on Los Angeles. They still will become the American representative for the 2016 Olympics

Yes there is the potential there that Los Angeles again will rescue the Olympic movement after London has totally trashed it with spending that is out of control . The effect of London and Great Britian's idiotic economic behavior may have a new governor of the Tokyo Prefeiture withdraw the 2016 bid for that mega city and you have both Denmark and Hungary having turned thumbs down on future bids.

It will be LA, Chicago or Rio for a rationization of the games. Rio may get the nod
to be the first city in South America to host the games as they are finishing venues of an olympic standard for the Pan Am games.

Jim jones wins !!!!!!!!!

the rose bowl in pasadena. u gotta love it.:banana:

thread still u/c.

The new stadiums in Dallas and Indianapolis will just raise the bar.

Agree with this. Both are done by HKS I'm pretty sure. I don't have a lot of info on Dallas, perhaps someone else can chime in, but it sure is an impressive beast.

As for "The Luke" in Indy, 70,000 seats, retractable roof and windows, here are a few pics and a live refreshing webcam pic of construction, and the official site which has plenty of pics and info.

SSC thread:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=445872

Early video flythrough:
http://www.in.gov/iscba/media/flythrough.html

Official site with tons of construction pics and renders:
http://www.in.gov/iscba/


http://www.in.gov/iscba/media/photos/renderings_522/AerialNE.jpg

http://www.in.gov/iscba/media/photos/renderings_522/i-70.jpg

http://www.in.gov/iscba/media/photos/renderings_522/BowlNightCrowd.jpg

http://oxblue.com/archive/8252a53cdf135347c0dd1d16228b6ff2/1024x768.jpg?area=hotitems

the new cowboys stadium will kill! :banana:

Yeah, no chance of a merge. Thank god. Football success comes and goes in cycles. I bet there are a lot of people in the world who would never believe Man Utd were in the second div. in the eighties....
....City were in the top flight in the late seventies(if only briefly)and their time will come again, as will Rovers'. In fact I think it WILL happen quite soon, especially if city hang on to that promotion spot!

Appparently the chairman is a very rich man and is waiting to climb out (finally) of that b*stard of a lge 1 before he starts piling the money in.
And as far as the stadium is concerned I think they need to tear down the williams (main) stand along with the wedlock and build a whole new two-tiered 'L' shape which carries round the corner. This could give Ashton Gate a potential capacity of around 35,000-40,000.

Sorry, forgot this was supposed to be the Gas' thread, wasn't it.:ohno:

dont wish to offend any fans of Bristol Rovers or Bristol City, but i am AMAZED that at not one stage in their histories was a merge considered. Bristol deserves a big football club playing at the top end of English football

There were quite a few years where you could have used exactly the same logic to propose a merger between Birmingham City and Aston Villa. For a so-called 'second city', arguably the city of Birmingham's status is less represented in football success pro rata than even Bristol.

The developers solution to this problem was to incorporate student housing where the students will not be permitted to have cars.

Classic. I knew there'd have to be a specific reason to require them to invite 500 students to reside in their nice shiny new stadium. Cue jokes about missing traffic cones, large sweaters etc.

The English planners' tirade against the car strikes again, with another lunatic development feature incorporated. What next? Affordable housing for vegetarians on the basis that they do not support the greenhouse gas-producing meat trade (cows produce more tonnes of methane than aircraft produce CO2). One sign of a leather shoe, though and you're evicted.

Today's jest is likely to be tomorrow's frightenting reality...

Yet, again, the Minnesota Vikings have proposed a new stadium to replace the Metrodome. This time, it would be located near the Metrodome. Here's the renderings I can find:
http://vikingscmap.atomicplaypen.net/DAM_public/9869.jpg
http://vikingscmap.atomicplaypen.net/DAM_public/9867.jpg
http://vikingscmap.atomicplaypen.net/DAM_public/9866.jpg
The only problem I have is there's no Jumbotron on the endzone where the windows open. Other than that, it looks nice. Now, if only the Minnesota state legislature get onboard...:bash:

Cool view out towards the skyline. Otherwise i wouldnt call it anything special. Looks pretty compact for a good atmosphere.

Next time you make a thread, mention a city and a country in the name, please.

$954,000,000 :yes:

Pretty reasonable considering its size and the movable roof and it makes excellent use of existing infrastructure, keeping its pricetag hundreds of millions lower. Of the many Vikings stadium proposals over the years this appears to be the most well thought out and cost effective.

I say build it! :hug:

The Vikings should play outdoors and the Twins should play in a retractable roof dome.

The Pack and the Bears are the only two teams in the ol' Black and Blue to play in the horrendous cold. The NFC North should kick out Detroit and Minnesota and bring in Buffalo and Cleveland. :lol: Just kidding.

Looks good and I like how the train station is situated next to the stadium.

Whats the capacity? it looks like 65,000???

I like the in-the-city-center location, closeness of the skyline, and the railway station

Could you post those pictures in a smaller format please???

^^ Done.