Reggie Bush is going to get his legs broken

How was the Fiesta Bowl an instant classic?

It was a poor game and the Fuckeyes won because they cheat and are criminals

For all the people saying "It was only one game", and I agree. People obviously have no idea about the type of player Vince Young really is and has been throughout his college career. The other night on ESPNews, Merril Hodge completely ripped Young apart, saying that he'd need to spend at least five seasons on the bench before he could ever possibly become an average NFL QB. He also said that "one game doesn't make a great player"... yeah, ya think, DIPSHIT?

Let's run down some interesting facts and figures:

-- He's won two Rose Bowls, one a National Championship. He won Offensive MVP honors in both.

-- He's 30-2 as a starter during his collegiate career at Texas.

-- He's the first and only player in NCAA I-A history to pass for 2,500 yards and rush for 1,000 in the same season.

-- He was the highest rated passer in the nation in 2005 with a QB rating of 168.6.

-- He has a career completion pct. of 60.8%

-- Young's 9,167 yards of total offense is a school record.

-- Young has rushed and thrown for over 100 yards in the same game a UT-record five times in his career.

-- He is the first player in UT history to register more than one game with 400 or more yards of total offense, a feat he has accomplished three times.

-- Set a UT record for total offensive yards in a game, with 506 yards against Oklahoma State on October 29, 2005.

-- He is the only QB in UT history to rush for 100 yards in three or more games during a season and has done so in his freshman, sophomore years, and junior years.

-- Young set the UT single-game completion percentage record against Oklahoma State in 2004 by completing 18 of 21 passes (85.7%). He broke his own record in 2005 by completing 25 of 29 passes (86.2%) against Colorado.

-- Young set the UT single-game record for rushing yards by a QB with 192 versus Michigan in the Rose Bowl. He broke his own record in 2005 by rushing for 267 yards against Oklahoma State.

-- Young owns five of the top seven single-game QB rushing performances in UT history: 267 yards vs Oklahoma State as a Junior; 200 yards vs Southern California as a Junior; 192 yards vs. Michigan as a Sophomore; 163 yards vs. Nebraska as a Freshman; 158 yards at Texas Tech as a Sophomore.

-- Young has six of the top 8 longest runs by a QB in UT history.

-- Young became the first player in UT history to pass and rush for 1,000 or more yards in the same season.

-- Young became the first quarterback in UT history to have three 100-yard rushing games (vs. Oklahoma, at Baylor, vs. Nebraska) in the same season and is tied with Ricky Williams (1995) for the third-most 100-yard games by a freshman in school history.

-- Young's 17 wins in 2003-2004 are the most ever by a UT QB in their first two years.


Does that sound like one game to you?

And yes, he had the single greatest performance of any player in any game in NCAA football history, and one of the greatest in the history of any sport, professional or collegiate. Vince Young is much, much faster than he looks because he is so tall and takes much longer strides. He'll be the best Quarterback in the National Football League in the future.

They should tear down that old stadium and rebuild it properly, with luxury boxes, a roof, and some decent stands.

They should tear down that old stadium and rebuild it properly, with luxury boxes, a roof, and some decent stands.

I agree, and definitely a roof, a big massive state of the art roof.

A retractable roof would be even better, so that the players don't have to play on a wet field.

A retractable roof would be even better, so that the players don't have to play on a wet field.

Absolutely, and it would keep their clothes nice and clean whilst the fans stuff their faces with cheeseburgers.

There goes bubomb making his/her cheap shots at America.

There goes bubomb making his/her cheap shots at America.

It was a joke, take a chill pill. I'm in a great mood, Celtic just got hilariously knocked out of the Scottish Cup by part-time £150 a week CLYDE!!!

I love America (parts of it). I hope to live there when I outgrow Canada.

Where is the athletics track? :ancient:

Seriously, are there any plans to install stands where room has been made for the soccer field? Rose Bowl previously had a 102000 capacity, right?

What happened to the gay shin socks they used to wear?

VY is going pro. *sigh of relief* haha.

It was a joke, take a chill pill. I'm in a great mood, Celtic just got hilariously knocked out of the Scottish Cup by part-time £150 a week CLYDE!!!

I love America (parts of it). I hope to live there when I outgrow Canada.

that "joke" was lame the first, and now the millionth time you told it. i thought scottish people were supposed to be charming and witty. I'm disappointed.

that "joke" was lame the first, and now the millionth time you told it. i thought scottish people were supposed to be charming and witty. I'm disappointed.

I'm just one person.

A retractable roof would be even better, so that the players don't have to play on a wet field.

Rain is not an issue. In fact, this year was the first time there was rain at the parade before the game in 50 years.

Anyway, you can't just knock down and rebuild a classic like the Rose Bowl. You can't put a price on history. Regardelss, fans bought tickets for thousands of dollars. Having a modern stadium wouldn't change a thing.

Rain is not an issue. In fact, this year was the first time there was rain at the parade before the game in 50 years.

Anyway, you can't just knock down and rebuild a classic like the Rose Bowl. You can't put a price on history. Regardelss, fans bought tickets for thousands of dollars. Having a modern stadium wouldn't change a thing.

I GIVE UP!!!

(he was joking, it's an ongoing roof wind-up)

Well I suppose this is GREAT news for Pittsburgh...the new arena is essential for their stay in Pittsburgh. Lol...lord knows Crosby (CUTIE) is doing more than his fair share of the work...give him a new arena to help out at least.

He'll be the best Quarterback in the National Football League in the future.

??? By the way how many scrambling quarterbacks are still alive in the NFL playoffs right now?? None. How many passes did VY throw more than 10 yards during the rose bowl?? None. Basically VY is Michael Vick without Vicks cannon arm and not quite as good of a runner as Vick either. More like a Randall Cunningham (again but without the strong arm). It would be easier to project how Young will do in the NFL if Phillip Rivers would have gotten any playing time. They both have those funky side arm deliveries, but since Rivers never plays who knows how those deliveries pan out in the NFL. The only guy I can think of in recent years with a weird delivery like that was Bernie Kosar, and he struggled to throw the ball down field as well.

^^ also worth noting he played at Texas and had one of the best supporting casts in the country, Texas is a school that generally has a top 5 recruiting class. He will be playing for an NFL team that needs alot of help. I agree not as fast/elusive as Vick and not nearly as strong an arm but he is more accurate he just can't throw the ball down the field very far. Several NFL linebackers and all DBs are fast as him and much better tacklers then college players. Probably a handful of defensive ends like Julius Peppers who are fast as him. Putting up numbers in college doesn't make someone a lock for NFL success espically at QB ask Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, Danny Wuerfull, Tim Couch, Eric Crouch I could go on all day listing awesome College QBs who just sucked in the NFL.

^^ also worth noting he played at Texas and had one of the best supporting casts in the country, Texas is a school that generally has a top 5 recruiting class. He will be playing for an NFL team that needs alot of help. I agree not as fast/elusive as Vick and not nearly as strong an arm but he is more accurate he just can't throw the ball down the field very far. Several NFL linebackers and all DBs are fast as him and much better tacklers then college players. Probably a handful of defensive ends like Julius Peppers who are fast as him. Putting up numbers in college doesn't make someone a lock for NFL success espically at QB ask Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, Danny Wuerfull, Tim Couch, Eric Crouch I could go on all day listing awesome College QBs who just sucked in the NFL.

Another one who comes to mind is Ken Dorsey. He also was very accurate and benefited from a strong supporting cast and he also lacked the arm strength to make strong down field throws. Ask 49er fans how well he has succeeded in the NFL (though he has done better than #1 overall pick Alex Smith).

??? By the way how many scrambling quarterbacks are still alive in the NFL playoffs right now?? None. How many passes did VY throw more than 10 yards during the rose bowl?? None. Basically VY is Michael Vick without Vicks cannon arm and not quite as good of a runner as Vick either. More like a Randall Cunningham (again but without the strong arm). It would be easier to project how Young will do in the NFL if Phillip Rivers would have gotten any playing time. They both have those funky side arm deliveries, but since Rivers never plays who knows how those deliveries pan out in the NFL. The only guy I can think of in recent years with a weird delivery like that was Bernie Kosar, and he struggled to throw the ball down field as well.

Scrambling QBs in the NFL right now: McNabb, Vick, Culpepper, Alex Smith, David Carr, Roethlesberg, McNair

In the playoffs right now: Roethlesberger

Of that group that have had great team success so far: McNabb, Culpepper, McNair, Roethlesberger, Vick

Of that group that have transitioned to successful pocket passers: McNabb, Culpepper, McNair

Who Vince Young's game most resembles of that group(for those that have only seen him in the past two Rose Bowls: McNabb = A young steve McNair, who just happens to be his mentor. Don't be suprised if Tennessee picks Young and he learns under McNair.

Who Vince Young least compares to of that group: Michael Vick.

Myth: Vince is not as good of a runner as Vick. Running isn't all about speed. If Texas wanted him to, Vince could run for 2000 yards. A ton more power from a bigger frame, faster than 99% of the linebackers out there and as many have stated, one of the quickest runners they have ever seen. Vick's quickness does not compare. Just watch some of Vince's cuts. Incredible for a guy pushing 240 and likely 6'6"

Who's throwing motion resembles Vince in the NFL?: Drew Bledsoe and Phillip Rivers(They both throw more sidearm). Bernie Kosar, like Bledsoe, made a career of it. Its all about what's between the ears, field vision and getting the ball there. 98% of fundamental throwers don't make it in the league. So that's no indicator of success.

Unfair comparison early last season: Matt Jones. Matt Jones never came close to the passing and rushing yardage that Vince has. Never came close to the completion percentage, nor did he ever run with the quickness the Vince does. Vince as a WR > Matt Jones. Jones is only faster than Vince.

Was the Texas offense on display at the Rose Bowl typical of what UT ran all year: Easy answer, which is no. USC was one of the weakest defenses UT has played for a decent opponent. They gave the short pass. They gave the scramble. Their linebackers were small and fast. Their D-Line played like you would expect Pac-10 defenses. UT took what they were given, and it looked pretty easy.

What was typical of the Texas offense pre-Rose Bowl?: Intermediate and deep. Watch the pregame and they talk about the Texas deep ball. USC pretty played deep coverage all game. They didn't allow much in the intermediate either, where David Thomas and Billy Pittman have killed opponents all year. Watch the Ohio State game. Ohio State had NFL caliber linebackers and chose to spy. Vince had moderate running success. Broke a couple but not all game. The DBs also played back like USC and allowed intermediate balls in the 15-25 yard range to be thrown. And guess what, Vince hit them all game. A&M employed a similar strategy. Luckily for them, Vince had an off day, but UT still put up 40 on them. For USC's personel, they correctly schemed. Sweed and Pittman would have killed their short DBs all day long and it might not have been a close game. We saw this with Colorado(who actually have better secondary talent and experience) They decided instead to take the route of keeping everything infront of them. Wise move, or UT puts up 60 on them.

In conclusion, this was not the game to judge Vince on. As many experts have stated, including Mel Kiper, the Ohio State game and Colorado games are the games to judge him on. These teams decided to play more traditional, straight up defense, and both were torched by accurate intermediate throws.

and just out of curiousity, was Vince a one man team or did he have a strong supporting cast? I've read and heard both from the same people.

no one he was not a one man team the caliber of athletes Texas gets is top tier in the country along with Ohio State, USC, Miami, Oklahoma, LSU, Tennesse and maybe a few more. Most of the starters on Texas would be an upgrade for almost any other Big 12 school and more nationally. The NFL is much tighter in quality of players then college is. How many kicks did UT block(lead the nation I believe) throughout the season and how many did VY block. I really think he could be a great NFL QB, I just thought the guy who claimed he would be the best in a few years was a little off although it is possible. If he played at Texas Tech or Colorado or Missouri would he be a national champ?

Comparing Vince to Vick is selling VY waaaaaay short. VY is leaps and bounds better than vick ever was at this stage. Sure, vick is quick, but he is accustomed to taking the biggest hits because he's not elusive. I've never, NEVER in three years of watching vince take a direct shot. Why? Because he's 6'5", quick, and elusive. Meanwhile, vick is trying to shake and bake in a 6 foot frame inside the tackles. That shit doesnt fly in the NFL.

If VY goes to a west coast offense, then he wont have to have great arm strength (which he does by the way). Intermediate routes are what he excells at. Add in the run/pass factor that he brings to the game, and he's going to have defenses on their heels all game.

At this point, vick hasnt proved shit, other than he is a media hype machine, much like reggie bush. Vick has only given us a couple of full seasons, and those fell WAAAAAAY short of expectations.

Also, Vick is the furthest thing from a leader. VY basically has taken the 2004 and 2005 Texas football team and put em on his back, winning 2 rose bowls and a national championship along the way. The fact that he was robbed of his heisman by a less-than-twenty-touch-a-game novelty back will go down as one of the greatest crimes in sports.

I can tell you're a big UT fan ^^ how is Reggie Bush any more of a media hype machine then Vince Young who isn't even the top rated QB in the draft. There is a reason the Houston Texans said they where taking RB over VY. Vince Young does not have great accurate arm strengh down the field (20+ yards).

I can tell you're a big UT fan ^^ how is Reggie Bush any more of a media hype machine then Vince Young

Because vince didnt get 11 days of how he was the best player to ever to play on the best team and how he could single handedly take down mega-teams like the 2001 Miami Hurricanes and 1995 Nebraska Cornhuskers. Every analyst was talking about how reggie was a mix of barry sanders and gayle sayers. REally. REggie hasnt even had more than 20 carries a game, except for two occasions. Hell, he aint even the best RB on his team. Yet, because he does a couple of flips against Pac-10 defenses and all-purposed for 500 yards against lowly, unranked, lost 4-straight Fresno State, he is the best back to EVER play ... that is, according to the national media. I will never forgive them for fucking up the heisman race based purely on hype. Its clear that VY is the best college FB player by miles this year, and maybe one of the best EVER.

who isn't even the top rated QB in the draft.

Are you an NFL scout? How do you know this? Most scouts dont rank juniors, especially undeclared ones. We'll see who the better rated player is in a few weeks. Personally, i'd rather have a mobile, quick, elusive, heady, righty, champion.

There is a reason the Houston Texans said they where taking RB over VY. Vince Young does not have great accurate arm strengh down the field (20+ yards).

This whole paragraph is speculation. The texans are as interested in VY as they have been in Bush. It would be stupid for Houston to bypass VY, especially if rumors of a trade for Ricky Williams for David Carr ring true. Either way, they will rue the day they pass on VY.

BTW, VY was the most accurate passer in the regular season of the NCAA. Many of those passes were +20 yard plays. Show me stats that say otherwise. Before this year, the knock on VY was that he couldnt throw the intermediate route. Before then, it was, he couldnt even throw. Now his game is complete. Short, Long, intermediate passes, and of course, his running ability. In fact VY is the first QB in the history of college football to throw for 3,000 yards and run for 1,000. You dont get that by throwing a bunch of 2 yard outs.

Like i said, Houston will rue the day.

How was the Fiesta Bowl an instant classic?

It was a poor game and the Fuckeyes won because they cheat and are criminals
I bet you woldn't be so dead set against making it an instant classic if Ohio State had lost, even if the scores were simply reversed and the game was virtually the same.

And to all these Vince Young bashers, give it up. You can't argue with numbers (or wins), and he has 'em.

I agree, and definitely a roof, a big massive state of the art roof.
Why would anyone want (or need) a roof in Southern California?

It was a joke, take a chill pill. I'm in a great mood, Celtic just got hilariously knocked out of the Scottish Cup by part-time £150 a week CLYDE!!!
And wasn't that game Roy Keane's debut with the team?

I bet you woldn't be so dead set against making it an instant classic if Ohio State had lost, even if the scores were simply reversed and the game was virtually the same.

And to all these Vince Young bashers, give it up. You can't argue with numbers (or wins), and he has 'em.

Either way it was a poor game

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/7774/onionrosebowl3km.jpg

^^HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/longhorn63/Frost_Bank_Tower.jpg

That rose bowl article is hilarious! I love the quote in the bottom right corner.

And, I don't understand why some people hate Notre Dame so much. I'd say ND is a pretty classy team, that doesn't showboat. Overated sometimes? Sure. But at least our players aren't constantly getting arrested. Just look at the Way Brady Quinn or Charlie Weis talk at press conferences... it's class-act all the way. And we're *hospitable* to other teams. Right after the USC game there were some USC fans trying to find their bus on campus and I gave them directions. It's not like Ohio State where you get bottles thrown at you for being an opposing fan. Or how about Matt Leinarts comment right after the Rose Bowl about how "USC is the better team" than Texas. Some teams and fans just show less respect.

I have never seen so much Texas garb....ever. It's sickening.

Why would anyone want (or need) a roof in Southern California?


And wasn't that game Roy Keane's debut with the team?


They wouldn't want a roof, it was a wind-up.

Yes, Roy Keane was humiliated (funny pic of Clyde fan laughing at him) -

http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gerrard1rx.jpg

For the love of God. How come whenever a black mobile, fast qb comes out. He now has to be compared to Micheal Vick who wasn't in college football that long ago himself. Vy reminds me more of a Randall Cunningham or a Steve McNair then he does Micheal Vick anyway.

and quit with the roof bullshit.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/193/lpi1010105001024x768239mu.jpg

Because vince didnt get 11 days of how he was the best player to ever to play on the best team and how he could single handedly take down mega-teams like the 2001 Miami Hurricanes and 1995 Nebraska Cornhuskers. Every analyst was talking about how reggie was a mix of barry sanders and gayle sayers. REally. REggie hasnt even had more than 20 carries a game, except for two occasions. Hell, he aint even the best RB on his team. Yet, because he does a couple of flips against Pac-10 defenses and all-purposed for 500 yards against lowly, unranked, lost 4-straight Fresno State, he is the best back to EVER play ... that is, according to the national media. I will never forgive them for fucking up the heisman race based purely on hype. Its clear that VY is the best college FB player by miles this year, and maybe one of the best EVER.

Vince Young is the media hype machine now. USC does not have a pro quality defense they didn't even touch him on the last run which won't happen in the NFL, he really didn't juke anyone either. As fast as he was it was great blocking too he more or less walked in the end zone.



Are you an NFL scout? How do you know this? Most scouts dont rank juniors, especially undeclared ones. We'll see who the better rated player is in a few weeks. Personally, i'd rather have a mobile, quick, elusive, heady, righty, champion.

This whole paragraph is speculation. The texans are as interested in VY as they have been in Bush. It would be stupid for Houston to bypass VY, especially if rumors of a trade for Ricky Williams for David Carr ring true. Either way, they will rue the day they pass on VY.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2283797

The Houston Texans will select USC running back Reggie Bush with the No. 1 pick in this April's NFL draft, pending the formality of Bush announcing that he is turning pro, team and league sources told Chris Mortensen.

The Texans will pick up an $8 million option on quarterback David Carr, who was the expansion team's first draft pick four years ago.

USC's Matt Leinart, who could have been the first pick a year ago had he turned pro after his junior season, still remains the consensus top quarterback in the NFL draft.



and Leinart and Bush have a won championship too and much more impressively. You're a Texas/VY homer get over it. Reggie and Matt are better pro prospects. I really think Vince Young could be a great pro-QB but you should take off your burnt orange glasses.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/193/lpi1010105001024x768239mu.jpg

I'm glad you can use paint! So is that supposed to be a roof?

^ Maurice Clarett made it, next year he is going to learn how to read.

Vince Young is the media hype machine now. USC does not have a pro quality defense they didn't even touch him on the last run which won't happen in the NFL, he really didn't juke anyone either. As fast as he was it was great blocking too he more or less walked in the end zone.





http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2283797




ESPN has already admitted that they jumped the gun on that article. Hell, houston doesnt even have a coach yet, so how in the world would they know which pick they will take with #1? The Texans are feeling some heat already at the notion that they may pass up VY.

Oh, and how can you say that a player with <20 touches a game is a better pro prospect? Reggie Bush = Marcus Vick without the attitude. Just watch. Ha, they didnt even put Reggie in ON THE MOST IMPORTANT PLAY OF THE SEASON. Some heisman. VY was robbed, ROBBED i tell ya.

Every draftboard has Reggie ranked #1.... :|

Where is the retraction?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/index

^ Maurice Clarett made it, next year he is going to learn how to read.

Not only is he slow... he's stupid. Haha.
:hilarious

whats the point of a roof in beautiful Southern California?

^^Exactly.

Not only is he slow... he's stupid. Haha.
:hilarious

It's ok because he will be in jail for the next 20 years.

Vince Young doesn't juke anybody? What!!??

Vince Young doesn't juke anybody? What!!??

He didn't on that last TD run, they maybe got a half ass arm tackle on him.

^Reggie McNeal?

Every draftboard has Reggie ranked #1.... :|

Where is the retraction?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/index

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/13587159.htm
http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=44a287b0f28aa7da
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=jones/060109
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Columnists/Hunt/2006/01/10/1387233-sun.html

i dont know, only a few sources, both local and national, even international agree that its no done deal

^^ those are just opinions of columnists who are saying draft young, my link was what the Texans has announced... international?? for the NFL. I'll take what the teams and scouts say over some columnist anyday.

^Reggie McNeal?

what does he have to do with the game winning touchdown? The point is whoever drafts him will most likely have a shitty OL, the Texas OL dominated USC he won't get that in the NFL(maybe in few years). David Carr is the most sacked QB for 2+ plus years, the Texans(how many more years can they be a shitty expansion team) need a running back or offensive line not a another QB. The NFL is a much more level playing field then CFB, he will never be a badass QB unless he has a great supporting cast, like he did in college.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/colleges/big12/stories/120205dnspodefplayer.1732ba3b.html

Texas got 9 players named first team all big-12 and 4 on the second team if anyone wants to think he was a one man team, he certainly wasn't in the conference.

whats the point of a roof in beautiful Southern California?


I'm amazed the UK version of 'The Office' (a very very clever comedy series) was a hit in America, as the simple roof joke seems to be too complicated for a lot of people.

I'm amazed the UK version of 'The Office' (a very very clever comedy series) was a hit in America, as the simple roof joke seems to be too complicated for a lot of people.

I think people are failing to recognize it as a joke because it lacks humor, mostly.

As for the Texans announcing RB as their #1 pick ... uh, i dont know what to tell you bro. Texans MAY take RB #1 if he comes out, but you are a just being a dense Red Raider if you think that its a done deal. The Texans realize the benefit of taking VY at #1 too. They are in a win/win situation, although i cant for the life of me think of a reason why a runningback that carries less than 20 times a game, is ranked 116th in kickoff returns, in the 80s in punt returns, has had 5 <100 yard games this season, and is afraid to run between the tackles would be the first pick of a shite organization like the texans.


From the Houston Chronicle: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/3579159.html

Take Vince or Reggie? Texans win either way


By JOHN MCCLAIN
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

DENVER - Vince Young and Gary Kubiak generated almost as much buzz around the Broncos' practice facility Tuesday as Denver's divisional playoff game against New England on Saturday.

You might have to visit Pluto to get away from the Young-to-the-Texans controversy that is spreading like a gigantic mushroom cloud.

We don't know yet if the Texans will use the top pick in the draft on Young, the University of Texas quarterback, but we do know that Kubiak, Broncos offensive coordinator, will play a big role in that decision.

After the Broncos lose, Kubiak will be hired as Dom Capers' replacement. Kubiak is regarded around the NFL as one of the brightest offensive coaches in the league. Quarterbacks are his specialty.

Owner Bob McNair will make the decision on the top pick after getting input from his staff.

Right now, the Texans don't know what they're going to do, and don't believe anything you hear to the contrary.

For those of you who are adamant the Texans should use the first pick on Young because he's a Houston native who won a national championship for the Longhorns, here's something to consider: Championship teams aren't built on what the fans want.

For those of you who are adamant before the scouting process has intensified that the Texans should not use the top pick in the draft on Young, here are some things to consider:

Imagine what it would have been like if the Oilers had passed up Earl Campbell in 1978 and he would have played his Pro Football Hall of Fame career in Cincinnati or Cleveland.

Because the Bengals and Browns were AFC Central rivals, the Oilers would have played against Campbell twice a year, including once every season in the Astrodome.

Now, imagine what it would be like if the Texans pass up Young, and he ends up with Tennessee.

That means Bud Adams would get him, and the Texans would have to play against Young twice a year, including once every season in Reliant Stadium.


Weighing the options
Running back Reggie Bush, the Heisman Trophy winner from USC, sells seats.

Young, the leader of the national champions who dethroned USC, sells seats and suites.

If the Texans draft Bush, who is regarded as one of the best prospects in history, all those fans who threatened to cancel their season tickets will renew because he has take-your-breath-away ability.

If the Texans draft Young, Harris County will have to refurbish the Astrodome for the closed circuit viewing of home games for those 50,000 burnt orange-clad fans who couldn't get season tickets at a sold-out Reliant Stadium.

Besides, passing up Bush could cause a family feud in the McNair house. Cal and Cary McNair are graduates of the University of Texas.

Imagine having a son in each ear telling you which player to draft.

If you're a parent, you know how kids can wear you down.

Once the Texans complete the scouting process, if they have Young rated ahead of or equal to Bush, they should draft Young and keep David Carr.

As the Oilers did with Steve McNair, the Bengals did with Carson Palmer and the Chargers did with Philip Rivers, make it clear to the fans and media that Young is going to watch and learn as a rookie.

Carr is a class act who would do what's best for the team. If he gets booed, it wouldn't be the first time. Or the hundredth time.


Keep Carr
While Young would be learning what it takes to play quarterback in the NFL without becoming the most sacked quarterback in the league, Carr would be auditioning for other teams that would be interested in acquiring him in 2007.

The worst thing the Texans could do would be to draft Young and trade Carr.

After this season, Carr's marketability isn't all that high, anyway.

With Kubiak coaching him, Carr's play might improve dramatically and enhance his trade value.

In Kubiak's first season, the Texans would improve faster with Carr and Bush.

But having Young watching and learning as a rookie — as McNair, Palmer and Rivers did — who wouldn't be eagerly anticipating his first season as a starter in 2007?

Some fans think the Texans would take a step back with Young. A step back from what? A 2-14 record?

The bottom line is this: When the worst you can do is Reggie Bush, how can you lose?

John McClain covers the Texans and the NFL for the Chronicle.

Rose Bowl Pic

Why stop at a roof over the stands though? This is what I did with paint:

http://www.tc.umn.edu/~panu0006/Web-Pics/metrodome.jpg

Pretty sweet huh?

I'm amazed the UK version of 'The Office' (a very very clever comedy series) was a hit in America, as the simple roof joke seems to be too complicated for a lot of people.

Maybe because it is has been posted 5+ times in the same thread, do we all need to quote it and post

LOL!!!!*@&!_!_ SO FUNNY A ROOF ON THE ROSE BOWL, I JUST SHIT MY PANTS WITH LAUGHTER!!!!


we are used to be people being serious about it too...

As for the Texans announcing RB as their #1 pick ... uh, i dont know what to tell you bro. Texans MAY take RB #1 if he comes out, but you are a just being a dense Red Raider if you think that its a done deal. The Texans realize the benefit of taking VY at #1 too. They are in a win/win situation, although i cant for the life of me think of a reason why a runningback that carries less than 20 times a game, is ranked 116th in kickoff returns, in the 80s in punt returns, has had 5 <100 yard games this season, and is afraid to run between the tackles would be the first pick of a shite organization like the texans.

you think Reggie Bush sucks????

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=145158

Here are his 2005 stats...

200 attempts 1740 yards 8.7 average and 6 100+ yard games and 2 200+ yard games so a total of 8 games over 100 hundred yards

Hawaii 63-17(game score) 86 yards on 12 for an average of 7.2 ypc

Washington 51-24 51 yards on 8 carries for an average of 6.4 ypc

Washington State 55-13 97 yards on 17 carries for an average of 5.7

California 35-10 82 yards on 17 carries for an average of 4.8 ypc

Texas 38-41 82 yards on 13 carries 6.3 ypc and he caught 6 passes for 93 yards 15.8 average reception

outside of Texas those where all blowouts where he probably didn't play much in the 2nd half. Take off your burnt orange sun glasses, Reggie Bush if he declares will be the best player available in the draft by a long shot.

You said earlier ESPN printed a retraction WHERE IS IT?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2283797

the article you just posted even admits how great Reggie Bush is

If the Texans draft Bush, who is regarded as one of the best prospects in history, all those fans who threatened to cancel their season tickets will renew because he has take-your-breath-away ability

Do you know someting about Vince Young the NFL and every scout and every columnist doesn't know? Vince has great pro potential I would never deny that.

He didn't on that last TD run, they maybe got a half ass arm tackle on him.

OK, so he didn't on one run means he doesn't at all? Seriously, this is crazy talk - Vince has some of the most insane cutting and juking ability in all of football. I have also never, ever seen anyone who at his size (6'5+, 240 lbs) who has moves like him. Nobody.

It was what won Texas the game a 4th down and 5 with like 25 seconds left in the championship game and they can't touch him he didn't really have to juke anyone either. Will that happen in the NFL?

Why stop at a roof over the stands though? This is what I did with paint:

http://www.tc.umn.edu/~panu0006/Web-Pics/metrodome.jpg

Pretty sweet huh?


Great work. That almost looks real!!! Just shows how much better the stadiums would look if they had a roof.

you think Reggie Bush sucks????

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=145158

Here are his 2005 stats...

200 attempts 1740 yards 8.7 average and 6 100+ yard games and 2 200+ yard games so a total of 8 games over 100 hundred yards

Hawaii 63-17(game score) 86 yards on 12 for an average of 7.2 ypc

Washington 51-24 51 yards on 8 carries for an average of 6.4 ypc

Washington State 55-13 97 yards on 17 carries for an average of 5.7

California 35-10 82 yards on 17 carries for an average of 4.8 ypc

Texas 38-41 82 yards on 13 carries 6.3 ypc and he caught 6 passes for 93 yards 15.8 average reception

outside of Texas those where all blowouts where he probably didn't play much in the 2nd half. Take off your burnt orange sun glasses, Reggie Bush if he declares will be the best player available in the draft by a long shot.



HOLY SMOKES!!!!!!

you mean the heisman winner had a whopping 1700 yards running!!!! Stop the presses!!!!!

Dude, i'm pretty sure even lendale white had near that, with tougher yards running between the tackles, 'cos we all know Reggie doesnt do that. Hell, VY matches up pretty well with that stat, even though he probably carries about 100 times less than that and sacks are counted as rushing attempts in the college game.

Please. VY smashed a record that had never been done before by throwing for 3000 yards and running for 1000 yards, including a 4th and 5 to win the national championship with 19 seconds left. He's had 7 TDs and just under 800 yards of total offense in the last 2 Rose Bowls. VY is the better prospect, even down to his leadership and playmaking ability. I'm not denying that reggie is quick to the corner, but lets see how that tranlates to the quicker NFL defenses. If he cant run up the middle, and do so 25 times a game, he's gonna be useless in the NFL.

On that same note, VY's strides are so much longer, and thus trickier to predict than Reggie's. You're right, VY doesnt really "juke" anyone, in that he puts on a little stutter-step. Instead, he alters his 6 foot 8 inch stride in a different direction, and combined with his speed, its just too much ground for DBs and LBs to compensate for. I read an article in the Austin American Statesman after the Okie State game that his 80 yard touchdown run was covered in something like 36 steps. Thats just incredible, and the reason that he will succeed as a passer/scrambler in the NFL (you see, vick is only 6 foot and relies on cutting the outside corner, while vince runs in the lanes).

To boot, REggie doesnt even provide any outstanding stats in the special teams game.

All in all, reggie knows how to flip in the air and make a hilight. Its like Michael Olowakandi dunking all over the English in a hilight film, but can hit a 3 footer in the NBA.

And like i said before, Reggie Bush didnt even see the field in the most important play (4th and 2) of USC's season. Face it, LenDale was the better runningback, but without the hype.

OK REGGIE BUSH SUX!!!!!! SO DOES BARRY SANDERS!!!!

You are the only person who thinks VY is a better prospect, he is a great one but not as good Bush. Everyone who is following the draft through unbiased opinions can see that.

well the key word you're using is PROSPECT. If you dont think a playmaker who touches the ball EVERY play is a better PROSPECT, than you need to brush up on some football 101, to be cliche. Reggie is tapped out on potential.

Dear God, man. Dont fall for the ESPN hype. After all, they've been fellating REggie all season, even going so far as to hype the San Francisco/Houston game as "The Reggie bowl". Gimme a fucking break. Of course they're going to print a hurried story about how Houston wont take vince ... as both VY and TEXAS have made their last month and a half of programming look recockulous.

Dude, even Mayor White of houston named Monday Vincent Young day, and the Texans have had their emails bombarded by UT fans and fans of VY in general.

What are you gonna say if VY gets taken first?

Find me any NFL draft site or NFL scout, who thinks Vince is a better prospect. UT fans want Vince to stay in Texas big suprise there. Where is the ESPN retraction? Should I believe a UT fan over scouts.com? Which has Vince ranked 4th and Reggie 1st.

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=9&c=12&nid=83&lnid=124&yr=2006

Do you have anything besides your word and UT homerism to back up your claim?

What are you gonna say if he doesn't?

Why stop at a roof over the stands though? This is what I did with paint:

http://www.tc.umn.edu/~panu0006/Web-Pics/metrodome.jpg

Pretty sweet huh?

You didn't make that in paint, that's a picture of the Metrodome in Minneapolis

You didn't make that in paint, that's a picture of the Metrodome in Minneapolis

Dude, you can clearly see the USC players on the field. Are you calling me a liar? Are you?

lol that is the University of Minnesota, you can see a giant a M in the middle of the field too

http://www.gophersports.com/sports/sport.asp?sport_id=cheer

lol that is the University of Minnesota, you can see a giant a M in the middle of the field too

http://www.gophersports.com/sports/sport.asp?sport_id=cheer

All I can see is a big 'W' :jk:

Does a drafted player get the choice of where to go? If VY is #1 can he not keep refusing untill the Cowboys get a pick or would he have to go when picked?

Find me any NFL draft site or NFL scout, who thinks Vince is a better prospect. UT fans want Vince to stay in Texas big suprise there. Where is the ESPN retraction? Should I believe a UT fan over scouts.com? Which has Vince ranked 4th and Reggie 1st.

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=9&c=12&nid=83&lnid=124&yr=2006

Do you have anything besides your word and UT homerism to back up your claim?

What are you gonna say if he doesn't?

you're arguing someone else's opinion. i'm giving you facts, which you are conveniently ignoring. What i meant by retraction, was that there were published reports that Houston did not, in fact, say that they were 100% for Bush as ESPN reported. I'll try to find it, though its been a few days.

Name one part of RB's game that is better than VY's. can you do that? Try taking off your black and red glasses, the ones you had to borrow from VY, because he's owned your school.

oh, and you quoted a source that has Ferguson over VY, so that, by stupidity disqualifies them from ever writing another article about football.

Terry Bowden on Vince Young ... BTW, its only hype if its unrealistic expectations. Reggie Bush = Hype. Vince Young = The Truth.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylt=AnHeORCoEWUwS8.nvPNUGoMcvrYF?slug=tb-young010606&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

I never have seen a guy who can run so well and also throw with such accuracy.

Think about it. Peyton Manning can't run like that. Michael Vick can't throw like that. Young has the toughness of Brett Favre, the poise of Joe Montana and even the good looks of Tom Brady.

I'll add that he's 6'5" and 230 pounds and runs like a gazelle. He's bigger than Urlacher. And dont forget, the first 3,000/1,000 in NCAA history. Not even Zebbie Lethrige did that. Meanwhile Reggie Hypesman is leaping over <80th ranked rushing defenses in the pac10 and the WAC.


"BUT BUT BUT .....", Prarie says, "If you give Pete Carroll a month to prepare, he's unstoppable! ESPN said so!!!"

Great Prairie:

Which college did you attend? Or are you younger and maybe have parents that attended a school?
Why such the anti-UT slant?


I'm just curious.

Great work. That almost looks real!!! Just shows how much better the stadiums would look if they had a roof.
HAHAHAHA! That's the funniest joke I've ever heard! Man, you're fucking hilarious. You can stop saying it over and over now that you finally got a laugh.

I'm a Junior at Texas Tech and I stand by my words then Reggie Bush is a greater pro prospect then VY. I don't have an anti-UT slant my point is VY is not as good as a prospect as Reggie even though they are both great prospects.

"BUT BUT BUT .....", Prarie says, "If you give Pete Carroll a month to prepare, he's unstoppable! ESPN said so!!!"

I never said that and it is has nothing to do with his ability in the Pros. I have constantly said Vince Young could easily be a great pro but all you guys can argue is that Reggie Bush averaged 8.2 yards a carry doing flips :|. No one can find me an espn retraction or a scouting report that says VY is a better pro prospect. Ferguson is an outstanding player they rank the quality of the player at the position they play. A pro level QB needs all facets of the game not just an intermediate pass and below. Ferguson could easliy be a better OT then Young is a QB is that hard to understand? Obviously QBs are more coveted then an OT, so VY will be drafted higher IS THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND??? Ferguson looks like more of a lock at his position then VY which is why he is ranked higher, so get over it. Do ya'll understand the differences between CFB and the NFL? FYI it is like HS football and CFB, rarely do rookies start in the NFL just like freshman in college.

FIND ME A LINK THAT RANKS VINCE YOUNG AS THE #1 PROSPECT THIS YEAR AND I WILL SHUT UP. Otherwise you're UT fans who have been blinded as national champs... that doesn't make your QB the best overall player in the draft, so get over it.

VINCE YOUNG IS A TOP 5 PRO PROSPECT BUT NOT THE BEST ONE. I wouldn't blame the Texans for taking him first either, it might be a very good move on their part but we will not know for at least 3 years. ONCE AGAIN FIND ME A LINK THAT HAS VINCE YOUNG AS THE #1 PRO PROSPECT!!! You're all UT fans who are looking at his possible potential and disregarding everyone else, because you want a UT player to be the best. Maybe it is has to with the fact he didn't win a heisman, even though he should have(I am texan and fully agree with that). THAT DOESN'T MAKE HIM THE #1 DRAFT PICK. I was cheering for Texas the entire Rose Bowl, I was pissed about the USC BEST TEAM EVER bullshit too. NFL scouts* don't care about shit like that and rank the best prospects based on their ability not on how espn treated them.

It doesn't matter who won the Rose Bowl, Eric Crouch(who is no way one compareable to VY) won a heisman and was barely drafted. Eric Crouch was awesome at the College level, but the scouts knew he sucked at the pro level, obviously they where right. They know Vince won a national title and is a great prospect but not the best this year. GET OVER IT OR FIND ME A LINK.

*obviously they get paid for being professional scouts and not picking the "ESPN HYPE MACHINE". ESPN doesn't pay them, NFL teams do and NO ONE CAN FIND ME ANY PROOF VY IS A BETTER PRO PROSPECT THEN RB.

settle down. Its only been 3 days since VY has declared for the draft and Reggie Bush hasnt even declared yet. Most of the draft gurus dont even have VY on their draft boards yet. We'll revisit this again in a few months after workouts, the combine, school combines, etc. Right now, VY's stock is rising like crazy and Reggie's in dipping slightly. I've told you numerous times why, so no need to be redundant.

Basically, Reggie Bush = Rocket Ismail.

BTW, here's the article you've been crying for 3 pages about. I still doubt that you can back up any of your "Reggie Bush will be a better pro" claims with any facts, now that i've met your demands. I've been proving VY is a better prospect for a few pages now, and all you're doing is producing your "because i said so" ESPN-style arguement.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3572378.html

Not so fast, ESPN

Don't believe two reports on ESPN and ESPN.com regarding the Texans on Saturday.

The first one said the Texans were talking to the Titans about possible compensation for coach Jeff Fisher. Anyone with any common sense would know that there is no way that Tennessee owner Bud Adams would let his head coach come to the Texans.

The second report said the Texans had decided they would take USC running back Reggie Bush, which was true before Vince Young's spectacular performance in the Rose Bowl. But the ESPN report also said that even if Young comes out early the Texans already have made up their minds to take Bush with the first pick.

Also not true. The Texans have not even begun their evaluation of Young because few thought he would leave the Longhorns a year early.

"It's premature to say anything until our new coaching staff gets in, and they are able to analyze our team, the draft and what happens in free agency," Texans general manager Charley Casserly said Saturday.

Texas Tech. That explains it all. You guys rolled into Austin looking for the upset, and were sent home with your tails between your legs.

The points you continue to make are simply off. To compare Vince Young to any of those guys like Eric Crouch is a slap in the face of a career 60% passer than ran a spread offense. I don't know if Vince is a greater pro prospect than Reggie Bush or not. Only time will tell. There are certain things we don't know about Bush yet, like strength and shuttle times. He may get to the combine and see his stock plummet. Lots of time between now and the draft. Heck, he may announce tomorrow that he's staying at USC.

You didn't make that in paint, that's a picture of the Metrodome in Minneapolis


This is hilarious!!!!

I can't believe how gullible some Americans are!!!!!

I never said Eric Crouch was VY in fact I said the opposite!! read my fucking posts!!!

Eric Crouch(who is no way one compareable to VY)

Rocket Ismail was directly compared to Reggie by a different poster but still :|

My point was success at the college level doesn't translate to success at the pro level, getting shafted for a heisman doesn't make you a better pro prospect then the guy who won it. Reggie Bush is the top ranked prospect if he declares, all the scouts agree with me(I have posted several links). Why should I believe some UT fans over scouts and everyone who makes a career out of the NFL draft? You're right he might slip at the combine but so could Young, my point has been that right now the people who run the combine(NFL scouts) think Reggie is the better prospect. You can't deny that.

"Reggie Bush will be a better pro" claims with any facts

I can't and niether can you with Vince Young, I am going with what the scouts say not what UT fans say sorry. They both had awesome stats in college football but like I have said that doesn't always translate to NFL success. I have said many times Vince Young is a great prospect but not as great as Reggie as rated by pro scouts(not UT fans). You try to discredit Bush by comparing to Rocket and saying all he does is flips :|.

I'm still waiting for you to build an arguement based on fact, rather than some sweaty, mountain dew-chugging computer nerd's opinion. Come on, Scouts.com? Their vested interest is in college football, not NFL, and besides, they are sensationalists, just like Rivals.com and ESPN. They each want your money, and will say what they need to to get it. Get real.

So far, i've laid out why VY will be a better pro prospect than RB ...

-6'5" , 230 lbs, 4.42 forty time
-30-2 as a STARTER at UT, one of those losses he didnt finish
-LEADER of the 2004 and 2005 Rose Bowl Champs, compiling 800 yards of offense and 8 TDs in those two games alone
-Career 60% passing completion rate
-First ever 3000 yard passer, 1000 yard runner in conference of stout defenses
-Won all respective QB awards, including player-of-the-year Maxwell Award
-Chip on his shoulder*



*you don't want to piss Vince off.

Pro football scouts are combine freaks. Think about it. A similar specimen last year was Matt Jones. He was drafted at another position in the first round. Why? Because he is a freakish athlete. If that guy was half the QB and leader that Vince is, he would have been a top 5 pick.

Also, your claim to say that Reggie Bush is a better pro prospect just because he'll be taken #1 is complete falsehood and misunderstanding of the NFL draft. After the combine and individual/school workouts, then the prospect order will be determined. Reggie Bush may very well be the #5 prospect right now by the projections, but you have of those teams: Houston - QB in place, RB they can get value for, so Bush is the obvious choice(John Scout should be their #1 choice) NO - All-Pro type runner in place, in need of QB(depending on what and how the coach wants to run offense, they'll pick who they like as a franchise, Tenn - Young nucleus in place, Vet QB on the way out who happens to be Vince's mentor = perfect fit for VY.

The above has nothing to do with order of prospect. Its order of need. Do you really think Byron Leftwich was the #9 prospect when he was drafted? No, he was #1 to #5 on most boards, but his draft position was about need. This isn't the NBA we're talking about, and that still happens with big men. VY's measureables will likely make him a top 3-5 prospect. His intangibles on display last week make him a top 3. He may very well be the top prospect over a pocket passer with a bad knee and an electrifying back that in the wrong offense could see limited action. The fact that you say he isn't is simply incorrect at this time.

This has to be the most classic pic of all-time.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/dougapowell/USCcheerleaderfails.jpg

^^ great pic

I'm still waiting for you to build an arguement based on fact, rather than some sweaty, mountain dew-chugging computer nerd's opinion. Come on, Scouts.com? Their vested interest is in college football, not NFL, and besides, they are sensationalists, just like Rivals.com and ESPN. They each want your money, and will say what they need to to get it. Get real.

That is your opinion not a fact. College stats don't count in the NFL :| Reggie has equally impressive stats, but it doesn't prove anything. They want my money want are you talking about..... take off the burnt orange sunglasses.

sweaty, mountain dew-chugging computer nerd's opinion.

If Vince is so much better then when why are the Texans even considering Bush? Why do all the scouts think Bush is a better prospect? You're making stuff up they run the combine go to games in person and watch hours and hours of video to make their lists. I am going to believe NFL scouts over you, get over it. If all you're going to do is post college stats, I will stop replying.

in short you're a fucking moron and the Texas/VY hype machine :|

This is hilarious!!!!

I can't believe how gullible some Americans are!!!!!

what are you talking about?

^^ great pic



That is your opinion not a fact. College stats don't count in the NFL :| Reggie has equally impressive stats, but it doesn't prove anything. They want my money want are you talking about..... take off the burnt orange sunglasses.



If Vince is so much better then when why are the Texans even considering Bush? Why do all the scouts think Bush is a better prospect? You're making stuff up they run the combine go to games in person and watch hours and hours of video to make their lists. I am going to believe NFL scouts over you, get over it. If all you're going to do is post college stats, I will stop replying.

in short you're a fucking moron and the Texas/VY hype machine :|


LOL. Just as i thought. You couldnt build your own arguement, so you resort to mud flinging. Very Aggie-esque. Whoop!

Still, you've yet to give me a compelling arguement "why" RB is a better pro prospect. All that you've said is that some NFL scout, (which i dont know, i havent heard any comments from any official NFL scouts), said so. If you cant factually back up your arguement, what are you even trying to say?

In your opinion, RB is a better pro prospect, because someone told you so. In my opinion, VY is a better pro prospect because he outmeasured RB in a variety of comparable categories.

For example:

Vince touches the ball every down, up to 70 plays a game
Reggie doesnt. In fact, he only touches the ball about 20-30 times a game.

Vince was called on in the most important of game-situations
Reggie was not. In fact, in some games he didnt even start.

Vince's passing stats were comperable to Leinarts, despite the myth that he is a poor passer. In fact, his completion rating was better than Leinarts and finished the regular season as the nation's #1 passer. He finshed with over 3,000 yards passing and 26 TDs with 10 INTs. Leinart finished with 28 TDs and 9 INTs. Not bad for a "running" QB.
Reggie did not throw the ball.


Reggie finished with 200 carries for 1740 yards and 16 TDs, with an 8.7 yard per carry average. Keep in mind, this is reggie bush's main job, to run the ball
Vince finished with 155 for 1050 and 12 TDs with a 6.8 yard per carry average. Keep in mind, in college, sack are added to rushing totals, which brings down yards and yards per carry, while adding to the "attempts" category. Not bad for QB whose purpose is to pass the ball.

Vince is 6-5, 230 pounds, and runs a 4.4 forty
Reggie is 6-0, 220 pounds, and runs a 4.4 forty

Vince is a leader, and single handedly won the last two rose bowl, the last two okie state games, in the columbus horshoe, at night, the national championship, and the red river shootout, against odds, such as injury, a potential blowout in favor of the other team, overexposure, etc. He has led 7 comebacks in two years.
Reggie burned now unranked, four-losses-in-a-row-to-end-the-season, WAC conference, Fresno State for 500 ALL PURPOSE yards. Vince just had that against the self annointed "Best Team Ever".

Vince set a new, never before acheived record, of 3000 yards passing and 1000 yards rushing. In over 125 years of college football, this has never been accomplished before.
Reggie flips and doesnt run between the tackles.

NUMEROUS publications tout VY as the nation's best player, and concede that the heisman presentation was possibly premature
Reggie disagrees, but cant do jack shit about it now that he fell flat on his face in from of hundreds of thousands at the Rose Bowl and a record national TV audience at home.

So why are the Texans considering Bush? and Why isn't VY the top rated player in the draft by anyone but Texas fans?

In your opinion, RB is a better pro prospect, because someone told you so. In my opinion, VY is a better pro prospect because he outmeasured RB in a variety of comparable categories.

My source is an NFL scouting service not "someone".


Reggie burned now unranked, four-losses-in-a-row-to-end-the-season, WAC conference, Fresno State for 500 ALL PURPOSE yards. Vince just had that against the self annointed "Best Team Ever".


USC players including Bush complained about being ESPN doing that, you claimed USC was built up by the ESPN hype machine, now it is self anointed. :|

http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/sports/ci_3355856
"We can't pay any attention to it; we have a terrific challenge in Texas," USC defensive lineman Frostee Rucker said. "We'll never be like that. We never let stuff like that distract us. We just want to play."


USC also gave up 42 points to Fresno, 1 more then Texas scored. Vince Young torn up Colorado twice, both teams had similiar schedules this year.

NUMEROUS publications tout VY as the nation's best player

You mean the best college player this past year, not NFL prospect in the draft. There is a difference. You can be one and not the other which is why I brought up Eric Crouch earlier.

In fact, his completion rating was better than Leinarts and finished the regular season as the nation's #1 passer.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/sortables?stat=pass&sort=rat&season=3&year=2005&group=80

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/sortables?stat=pass&group=80&year=2005&sort=com%

no you are wrong on both accounts, stop making stuff up.

You need to look at more then stats when ranking players anyway.

So why are the Texans considering Bush? and Why isn't VY the top rated player in the draft by anyone but Texas fans?



My source is an NFL scouting service not "someone".




USC players including Bush complained about being ESPN doing that, you claimed USC was built up by the ESPN hype machine, now it is self anointed. :|

http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/sports/ci_3355856


USC also gave up 42 points to Fresno, 1 more then Texas scored. Vince Young torn up Colorado twice, both teams had similiar schedules this year.



You mean the best college player this past year, not NFL prospect in the draft. There is a difference. You can be one and not the other which is why I brought up Eric Crouch earlier.



http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/sortables?stat=pass&sort=rat&season=3&year=2005&group=80

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/sortables?stat=pass&group=80&year=2005&sort=com%

no you are wrong on both accounts, stop making stuff up.

You need to look at more then stats when ranking players anyway.


I said the regular season. This does not include The big 12 championship or the Rose Bowl.

Use that tech education, homie

what about your other claims dumbass, why does it matter if He won the regular season and not the complete season?

Why are the Texans considering Bush and Young? Any other team wouldn't be thinking about Young, Houston is only considering him because he grew up there.

David Carr would be fine for Houston if they had anything that is close to a decent OLine

GP, you're acting as if no one wants Young, when in fact, all 5 of the teams with the first 5 picks are considering him. Stop drinking the Texas hater-aid.

They're BOTH good prospects. No sense fighting over which is better. The country is in awe of both!

GP, you're acting as if no one wants Young, when in fact, all 5 of the teams with the first 5 picks are considering him. Stop drinking the Texas hater-aid.

I never said that, I said numerous times he is top 5 prospect but not the #1. why does no one understand that? Here are couple of examples...

3rd paragraph after the quote and in Capital letters.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=6980609&postcount=112

read the very bottom of these
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=6973356&postcount=97
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=6958676&postcount=79

I will say it again Vince is a great pro prospect but just because he got shafted in the Heisman doesn't mean he gets rated higher then Reggie. He is going to be a top 3 pick and possibly the #1, I think it would great move if the Texans drafted him #1. I still believe Reggie Bush has slightly better potential, the only ones who don't agree are die hard UT fans.

Bashing my TTU edcuation is so aggie like....

You'd be surprised in how many experts wonder if Bush can ever be effective between the tackles. He certainly has to change his game for the NFL as much as people are saying Vince does. Lindale White's style is far more effective in the NFL. Bush is more like a Marshall Faulk(better btwn the tackles though in college) or a Bryant Westbrook. In the right offense this is great. I wonder what Houston will run next year. If its a Denver style offense, I'd be surprised if they pick him.

Why are the Texans considering Bush and Young? Any other team wouldn't be thinking about Young, Houston is only considering him because he grew up there.

If any of the following;

Saints, Titans, Jets, Cardinals, Raiders, Lions, Bills, Rams, Browns, Ravens, Dolphins, Vikings, Cowboys, Redskins, Panthers, Buccaneers, Bears, and Bengals

had the first pick, they would choose VY. Get over it. VY is a Godsend, and reggie bush just wont be that valuable to many teams. The fact that a team (hint:Texans) would even consider VY, at a point when they have a managable QB like Carr, should tell you that VY is almost too good to pass up based on TALENT alone. Nevermind upside potential, which far exceeds Reggie Bush's.

Thats 18 out of 32 teams, many who i didnt include have either drafted a first round QB in recent years (Green Bay, San Fran, Atlanta), or have well-established QBs (New England, Philly, Pittsbugh).

Now sit there and tell me that the cardinals, titans, lions, browns, or ravens, to add some legitimacy, would pick Reggie over Vince. Seriously.

Bush is a situational player, remember that he wasnt in the game on the most important play of USC's season. Ask yourself 'why'. Now ask yourself if that is the kind of player you want as your #1 selection. A player who couldnt be counted on to make the BIG play in college vs. 18-23 year olds, and you want him there to make a BIG play in an NFL playoff game.

Seriously, what kool-aid are you drinking? I've disproven you theories countless times on this thread, and you've yet to make a legitimate arguement, other than "ESPN told me so".

You should just quit now. I've Vince Young'ed your ass.

More Support for VY #1 (http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/sports/interactive/general/06/01/13/general.html)

:| this is pointless we'll see who goes #1 and it won't be Young...

you made half of that stuff up and you have no idea what those teams would do, I happen to think the exact opposite so get over it.

He certainly has to change his game for the NFL as much as people are saying Vince does.

Which has as easier NFL transition a RB or a QB? Which is why Reggie will be the #1 pick.

you made half of that stuff up


riiiiiiight. red raiders, like aggies, never let facts get in the way of a good arguement.


Did you even go to the link i provided that said that the Texans are likely to take VY? I assume since you have to drive all the way out to the sticks to get alcohol in Lubbock, you had other things to do.

Here is it again. John McClain, Houston Chronicle, Voice of the Texans (http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/sports/interactive/general/06/01/13/general.html)

In the NFL, business is first, and VY is gonna bring in a whoooole lot of it, espcially since the cowboys not only occupy the minds of the state, but the nation as well. I happen to be a cowboy fans, but would fully support merchandise of the Texans if they do the right thing. Surely McNair realizes what an economic boon this would be for him, and his franchise that he spent $750,000,000 on. Money talks, and he should realize that the risk is too high to bypass VY in the draft. Having said that, i have no idea who they will take first, i just know who they should based on ability, talent, potential, and economic impact.

Which has as easier NFL transition a RB or a QB? Which is why Reggie will be the #1 pick.

Well thats just stupid rationale. The Texans, or any of the top 10 are picking for the next 10-15 years, not necessarily NEXT year. Should the bengals have bypassed Carson Palmer since he didnt start his rookie year? What about the 49'ers and Alex Smith? Eli Manning only started when Warner went down with an injury, and they literally had no one else on the roster.

So, i ask you this, which position has more NFL longevity, a RB or a QB. Which is why VY will be the #1 pick. Or at least should.

BTW, the Texans could take VY this year, and if they suck like you assume they will next year, then they can take Adrian Peterson with their first pick. That backfield would be insane.

Here's an ESPN article by known-Texas-hater, Skip Bayless, about how "Houston MUST take Young" (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/060113). Y'all have a lot in common, enjoy!

Here's just one exerpt, from an NFL personel director, since I know you will conveniently ignore the link:

An NFL personnel director who encouraged me to pick USC told me on Thursday: "That's the closest thing I've seen to Michael Jordan since he left Chicago. I watched this kid every game this year, and he just got better and better and better until you finally step back and say, 'I've never seen anything like him.' I don't want to hear another word about David Carr. The Texans will never live it down if they don't take Vince Young."

was that the confirmation you were looking for all these pages, because its right there. What arguement are you gonna look to next, seeing as how now NFL personel see the light. Also, i've provided both tangibles and intangibles numerous times regarding 'why' VY is a better prospect, and i've yet to see anything approaching a rebuttal from your end.

*yawn*

Which has as easier NFL transition a RB or a QB? Which is why Reggie will be the #1 pick.

Its hard to say either. Learning curve is longer for QBs, but many guys who weren't even after thoughts at draft time have become starters. Same with RB. The usual highly drafted running backs are usually a bit bigger and more between the tackle type runners like Edgerrin James, Ricky Williams or Cadillac Williams.

just one thing.. whats with all the people doing the like :rockon: symbol with their hands at a football game???? :S:S it looks stupid.

Hook 'em Horns is the slogan and hand signal of the University of Texas at Austin (UT). UT students and alumni employ a greeting consisting of the phrase "Hook 'em" or "Hook 'em Horns" and also use the phrase as a parting good-bye or as the closing line in a letter or story.

The hand gesture is meant to appoximate the shape of the UT mascot, the Texas longhorn steer Bevo. The sign is made by extending the index and pinky fingers while grasping the second and third fingers with the thumb. The arm is usually extended, but the sign can also be given with the arm bent at the elbow. The sign is often seen at sporting events, during the playing of the school song The Eyes of Texas, and during the playing of the school fight song Texas Fight. It is one of the most recognized hand signals of all American universities. A variant of the Horns, formed upside down, is often used by rivals of the Longhorns and is considered insulting, especially when performed by a player or coach of the team in question (as opposed to a fan).

^ we hate the horns down

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e2/Hookemhorns.jpg


Many college teams have their own hand symbol. USC, for example holds up two fingers to make a "V" for Victory.

Love this video:
http://homepage.mac.com/jeffnee/.Movies/rose_bowl_highlights_06.mov

Also, make note that the "Hook em Horns" hand sign was around looong before some rocker (Dio?) started using it to symbolize "rock on".

Hook 'em
http://deanofstudents.utexas.edu/events/graphics/gle_upc_recruit.jpg

http://www.showmenews.com/2005/Feb/0226slideBASKETBALL/10.jpg

Upside down hook 'em.
http://static.flickr.com/3/2951805_fb0957787a_m.jpg

upside down hook 'em = oklahoma hand sign.

Best Stadium in the World!!!

Home of The Washington Redskins (NFL)

Location : Landover, Maryland (Just outside of Washington, D.C.)

Owner : Daniel Snyder (Owns Team, lol)

Capacity : 91,665

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a253/JAB323/Aerial_fedex_field.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a253/JAB323/Eli20in20the20Shotgun.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a253/JAB323/406.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a253/JAB323/100_2243.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a253/JAB323/fedex701.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a253/JAB323/fedexinside.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a253/JAB323/Smith209.jpg

It's big but not the best in the world

needs a roof

needs a roof

Whether you're joking again or not, IT ISN'T FUNNY ANYMORE. Go home.

^^^^^^^^

No rain in Washington?

Whether you're joking again or not, IT ISN'T FUNNY ANYMORE. Go home.
I believe he is joking and he beat me to it...damn lol

Personally I prefer a roof but I do respect the American sports culture and their love of open air stadiums. Roof or no roof this place is huge and very impressive and it's right up there with Invesco Field as one of my favorite US stadiums.

It might be the best as far as amenities go. Don't underestimate that. Very expensive stadium that was ahead of its time.

HOLY SHIT !
thats the biggest stadium carpark i have ever seen ! OMG its huge!
thats not a good thing either lol.

HOLY SHIT !
thats the biggest stadium carpark i have ever seen ! OMG its huge!
thats not a good thing either lol.


uh, we like to tailgate before football games in America. If you havent been to one of these parties, then you just havent lived. It requires having a large area where RVs and other vehicles can park.

Its annoying trying to educate the masses about american culture. just ignore us, we have lots of fun without the rest of the world trying to know us.

I've never really been a fan of this one. When was it opened anyway???

thats the biggest stadium carpark i have ever seen ! OMG its huge!

Try looking at the carpark size for Giants Stadium and see which is bigger lol

uh, we like to tailgate before football games in America. If you havent been to one of these parties, then you just havent lived. It requires having a large area where RVs and other vehicles can park.

Its annoying trying to educate the masses about american culture. just ignore us, we have lots of fun without the rest of the world trying to know us.

I've been to one. It was full of thousands of fat guys stuffing their faces with hamburgers and shouting 'YEEAAAHHHH.....LETS KICK SOME ASSSSS'

I wasn't impressed. My last dump was culturally more sophisticated than one of these parties.

Anybody with an IQ higher than a cabbage will feel uncomfortable at one of these events.

uh, we like to tailgate before football games in America. If you havent been to one of these parties, then you just havent lived. It requires having a large area where RVs and other vehicles can park.

Its annoying trying to educate the masses about american culture. just ignore us, we have lots of fun without the rest of the world trying to know us.

A tailgate party must be boring for about 1 out of 4, because they have to drive the car home and can't drink... :cheers:

Best Stadium in the World!!!

Without a roof of course best stadium of the world, lol :ohno:

Its easy to build up a stadium with this dimensions without a roof, cheap...

easy to build a mediocre stadium and slap a roof on it. Don't understand why you guys think crappy stadiums are built in the US. Especially in the NFL. Look at the world list for most valuable clubs/franchises. Its dominated by NFL clubs. Do you think they build cheap stadiums? No. Different in principle, purpose and design? Yes.

Although the design is rather generic in apperance, the stadium never fails to impress me, when I see pictures. It just looks huge. Not a pretty one, but an impressive one.

By the way, it's full every time the Redskins play, isn't it? And if I remember correctly, they're planning to expand?

It's definitely an impressive stadium, but I personally (just my opinion) think stadiums without roofs look unfinished and too basic. With a roof it would of been a 10/10, but still a very good 8/10 without a roof. Again, this in just my personal opinion, so please don't "open up a can of WHOOP ASS" if you disagree.

easy to build a mediocre stadium and slap a roof on it. Don't understand why you guys think crappy stadiums are built in the US. Especially in the NFL. Look at the world list for most valuable clubs/franchises. Its dominated by NFL clubs. Do you think they build cheap stadiums? No. Different in principle, purpose and design? Yes.

I thought the cities paid for these things?

Some do, some don't. Its up to the city and owners to agree. When cities pay for a portion, they usually get certain revenue and rental rights to the stadium like charging rent to the occupying team or being in charge of the revenues from other events. The "woe is me" from cities when they pay for 40-50% of these things is simply a political battle cry. When a venue is built in a manner in which it can produce huge taxes and revenue, then cities make out like gang busters. The AAC in Dallas is an example of a city paying for less than half of a venue, yet making out like champs in the surrounding property taxes and revenues. They even got an eyesore and contaminated piece of land cleaned up. One of the best investments Dallas has ever made as a city.

It's a great stadium, but I think the Reliant in Houston is slightly better. I think the one in Houston is only 70000 but it looks far bigger than that.

Giants Stadium is pretty good also, although they need to dig up that guy buried on the 10 yard line. The bump is a little unsightly. But overall the Septics have loads of great stadiums. Any wonder the soccer world cup when they staged it there was the best run and the most profitable.

Why are Americans septics? I make jokes about fat Americans but it's just a joke. I love America and want to live there one day as parts of America are the best places in the world. 'Septics' sounds like you are being serious!!

The Giants stadium is something like 40 years old!!! It was way ahead of it's time when built. It looks about 15 years old, not 40.

^^^^^^

Nothing wrong at all with "Septics" as it is just rhyming slang. ie septic tanks = Yanks.

^^^^^^

Nothing wrong at all with "Septics" as it is just rhyming slang. ie septic tanks = Yanks.

Ahh, I see - my mistake, sorry about that.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2293458
Reggie Bush has long been assumed the top pick in the NFL draft, but after Vince Young's performance in the Rose Bowl, the Trojans wanted some assurance before the Heisman Trophy winner agreed to forgo his senior season.

USC sources told ESPN's Chris Mortensen that coach Pete Carroll gave his blessing for Bush to turn pro only after being assured by Texans owner Bob McNair that the running back would be the No. 1 pick in the draft.

Young, a Texas native, led his Longhorns to a victory over the favored Trojans in the national championship and ignited a public frenzy demanding Houston select the quarterback instead of Bush.

However, the Texans appear to be sticking with their initial plan of drafting the running back -- a preference of the top candidate to become their head coach.

A Broncos source told Mortensen that Gary Kubiak, Denver's offensive coordinator and the favorite for the Texans' head coaching post, believes current Houston quarterback David Carr can flourish with a new offense headlined by Bush and wide receiver Andre Johnson.

Kubiak, a Houston native, is widely considered the likely successor to Dom Capers, who was fired as Texans coach on Jan. 2, one day after finishing a 2-14 season with a loss at San Francisco.

However, under NFL tampering rules, the Texans cannot comment about or finalize any moves involving Kubiak until the Broncos' season is over. Denver advanced to the AFC championship game with a 27-13 win over the New England Patriots on Saturday.


This thread is old we can revisit this at draft time.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2293458


This thread is old we can revisit this at draft time.

thats stupid. bush was coming out no matter what carroll was told. I doubt Bush needed carroll's "blessing". sure, the texans may take Bush #1, but everyone would know that they would be making a huge mistake given the impact a great QB could make more so than a great RB. The Texans already told him they were going to draft him? They were not even going to examine other prospects, entertain trades or scout the combine? Riiiiight.

you know, sources also told Chris Mortensen that Parcells was about to retire. How'd that work out again?

It seems that Chris Mortensen is hellbent on pushing the message of the Texans not taking Young. Last week he reported the story from "anonymous insider sources" that the Texans would take RB, no matter if VY was available. This has been denied. This week, Chris comes out with this bullshit about Pete Carroll having a promise from Bob McNair. Is this the remnance of the ESPN hype of USC and their bitterness of Texas supremacy?

Oh, by the way, here's the link (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/3589395.html) to published reports where Bob McNair denies Mortensons report and once agian make him look like an idiot.

McNair: Bush pick not a lock
Texans owner says no guarantee made to USC coach

By JOHN MCCLAIN
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

Owner Bob McNair denied an ESPN report Sunday that he told Southern California coach Pete Carroll that the Texans would select running back Reggie Bush if he left the Trojans after his junior year.

The report said that after University of Texas quarterback Vince Young's performance in the Rose Bowl, Carroll called McNair to get assurances that the owner would make Bush the first pick in the draft.

"Pete Carroll did call me, but he talked to me about Bush and never asked if we were going to take him, and if he had I wouldn't have told him that because we haven't even hired our coach," McNair said Sunday.

The Texans will hire Denver offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak as soon as the Broncos' season is over. Denver hosts Pittsburgh in the AFC Championship Game on Sunday.

"We don't know who we're going to draft right now," McNair said. "After we hire our coach, the evaluation process will still have a long way to go. We want to pick the player we feel will give us the best chance to win."

Bush's advisers had disclosed several weeks before the Rose Bowl that he would leave after his junior year.

The Texans had planned to take Bush, but when Young entered the draft, they were forced to re-evaluate.



So, why dont you just go ahead and shut the fuck up once and for all. Havent I schooled you on this thread enough? I'm like Bob Knight and your like my own personal Neil Reed.

It's a great stadium, but I think the Reliant in Houston is slightly better. I think the one in Houston is only 70000 but it looks far bigger than that.It's better looking, but you don't know who plays in it. :runaway:

It's better looking, but you don't know who plays in it. :runaway:

I don't really follow American sports so I don't know to be honest. Who plays there? as it's a great stadium.

easy to build a mediocre stadium and slap a roof on it. Don't understand why you guys think crappy stadiums are built in the US. Especially in the NFL. Look at the world list for most valuable clubs/franchises. Its dominated by NFL clubs. Do you think they build cheap stadiums? No. Different in principle, purpose and design? Yes.

Personally I don't think crappy stadiums are built in the US. They're just different from European stadiums, and both have their charms. Personally I have this thing for PSI Net stadium. But I am kinda curious about the list for most valuable clubs/franchises. Do you have a source, preferably online?

And besides you have roofs and roofs. A roof to just cover the seats is great, a roof making the stadium an indoor stadium is awful, very awful.

I saw pics of football/soccer being played at the Reliant, it looked amazing, probably the best stadium in the world for football/soccer. FedEx field would also be great for football/soccer, but I don't think it has ever been played there.

You haven't schooled me until the draft dumbass.

Even then you haven't my whole argument has been they are both great players, no one will really know who is the better player until they have couple of NFL seasons under their belts. Reggie and Vince are the top 2 prospects by far, if you don't believe that you're godamn moron. I think Vince is the 2nd best which is perfectably acceptable to everyone but some Texas fans and I think Reggie is the #1, you think he is the next Rocket Ismail who played wide receiver???? I think it is fine to think Vince is the best but not at the cost of bashing Reggie, which is all you've done. There are definitely good arguments for both of them, I just think Reggie is better and I am not changing that so get over it.

So why are the Texans considering Bush? and Why isn't VY the top rated player in the draft by anyone but Texas fans?




This is becoming a real asskicking. But, i'm enjoying making you look stupid. So, i found another source that ranks Vince Young #1 over Reggie Bush (a previous link i shared had Skip Bayless of ESPN and Cold Pizza ranking VY first). This one is from Stewert Mandell of Sports Illustrated. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/2006/01/16/gallery.draft/index.16.html)

He has VY #1 and RB #3. And yes, VY will continue to rise, while RB falls.

Lets review my arguement:

~VY has better stats than RB
~VY is known by the media nationally as a better leader than RB
~VY plays every down in the most important position on the field. RB does not.
~VY holds an untouchable NCAA record. RB does not.
~The texans never talked to PC or RB re: draft position
~VY is held in higher regard by well known draft analysts. RB's stock is falling.*




*actually, that last one was the only card you've played this entire time. now its belongs to my arguement (as lame as the particular point was).

Miami University, in Oxford, Ohio, is in the process of building a new hockey arena for it's ice hockey arena. Here's the renderings.
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/mioh/genrel/bowl-300.jpg
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/mioh/genrel/outside-300.jpg
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/mioh/genrel/locker-300.jpg
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/mioh/galleries/rink-030804/bowl4-ewbrickcopy-lg.jpg
Thoughs? Opinions? Me? It's pretty nice.

Looks fantastic. Odd name though, Miami Uni in Ohio. Does the Uni have a campus up in Ohio or something?

The problem with it's name is that there's two different major universities with the name Miami in it. The more popular one, the University of Miami, is the one in Florida. Miami Univeristy is in Ohio and is a seperate and distint univerisity. We Americans add Of Ohio to Miami University to differentiate the two.

Even then you haven't my whole argument has been they are both great players, no one will really know who is the better player until they have couple of NFL seasons under their belts. Reggie and Vince are the top 2 prospects by far, if you don't believe that you're godamn moron. I think Vince is the 2nd best which is perfectably acceptable to everyone but some Texas fans and I think Reggie is the #1, you think he is the next Rocket Ismail who played wide receiver???? I think it is fine to think Vince is the best but not at the cost of bashing Reggie, which is all you've done. There are definitely good arguments for both of them, I just think Reggie is better and I am not changing that so get over it.

^^respond to this dumbass....

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/060104

Here is Skip's previous column, it is titled "USC will crush the In-vince-ibles"

And Texas has had 32 days to think -- and think -- about the magnitude of this game. The Longhorns can talk all they want about the experience they gained winning last year's Rose Bowl.

But that had nothing to do with this Rose Bowl.

The Fat Cats will win this one, 35-17.


He is the perfect espn "player of the moment" hype machine

They are both great I just think Reggie is better so get over it dude...

You tell me the whole time that analysts don't know what they are talking about and then use one to prove me wrong:| several sources still have Reggie have #1

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=9&c=12&nid=83&lnid=124&yr=2006
http://espn.go.com/melkiper/ has Bush with an arrow point up he isn't falling according to Mel Kiper and niether is Vince Young.
http://www.draftinsiders.com/3.html
http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/mock_draft.htm
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/index.cfm

why is your link any more valid then these...

It is fine with me if you think Vince Young is #1, I think Reggie is #1 so get over it.

I've been over at the University of Illinois Fighting Illini site, and they have a link to a site called Illinois Renaissance. Their football stadium is going to have some major renovations to it. Here's what it's going to look like:
http://www.athletics.uiuc.edu/renaissance/gallery/images/n_endzone_sm.gif
http://www.athletics.uiuc.edu/renaissance/gallery/images/s_endzone_sm.gif
http://www.athletics.uiuc.edu/renaissance/gallery/images/s_endzone_int_lg.gif
http://www.athletics.uiuc.edu/renaissance/gallery/images/w_inside_sm.gif
http://www.athletics.uiuc.edu/renaissance/gallery/images/w_ext_lg.gif
The renderings look great, but I feel sorry for Northwestern University. Of all the teams of the Big Ten conference, only Northwestern hasn't either made some renovations or have any plans for their football stadium. If they dont' do anything soon, they may be left behind.

^^respond to this dumbass....

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/060104

Here is Skip's previous column, it is titled "USC will crush the In-vince-ibles"



He is the perfect espn "player of the moment" hype machine

They are both great I just think Reggie is better so get over it dude...

You tell me the whole time that analysts don't know what they are talking about and then use one to prove me wrong:| several sources still have Reggie have #1

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=9&c=12&nid=83&lnid=124&yr=2006
http://espn.go.com/melkiper/ has Bush with an arrow point up he isn't falling according to Mel Kiper and niether is Vince Young.
http://www.draftinsiders.com/3.html
http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/mock_draft.htm
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/index.cfm

why is your link any more valid then these...


because who the fuck are those guys.

I remembered that the University of California (Berkley) was going to renovate their football stadium. I did a quick check, and, lo and behold, I have pictures!
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/11/images/seq/image/stad_ss_siteplan.jpg
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/11/images/seq/image/stad_ss_stadium.jpg
Man, there seems to be a trend of upgrading collegiate football stadiums here. I wonder how far it will go...

BTW

80-44

nice effort by the red raiders.

http://img.coxnewsweb.com/B/04/81/06/image_1306814.jpg

Needs a roof

:|

Even then you haven't my whole argument has been they are both great players, no one will really know who is the better player until they have couple of NFL seasons under their belts. Reggie and Vince are the top 2 prospects by far, if you don't believe that you're godamn moron. I think Vince is the 2nd best which is perfectably acceptable to everyone but some Texas fans and I think Reggie is the #1, you think he is the next Rocket Ismail who played wide receiver???? I think it is fine to think Vince is the best but not at the cost of bashing Reggie, which is all you've done. There are definitely good arguments for both of them, I just think Reggie is better and I am not changing that so get over it.

answer this ^^

who the fuck are those guys.
great logic so only your sources count?

If you haven't heard of Mel Kiper don't even bother responding.

I agree that Fedex field doesnt really look that much larger than many other NFL stadiums. Reliants roof helps I spose but generally I find stadiums with fewer tiers or with the seating area divided less equally between tiers tend to look larger.

I'm suprised most American clubs can't afford roofs!! You would think they were richer and could easily afford one! I guess not!!

I saw pics of football/soccer being played at the Reliant, it looked amazing, probably the best stadium in the world for football/soccer. FedEx field would also be great for football/soccer, but I don't think it has ever been played there.
Soccer has been played at FedEx Field on multiple occassions. The last being last summer when D.C. United of the MLS (US Soccer league) played a friendly game against Chelsea. Chelsea won 2-1.

Here are some of my photos from FedEx Field in Landover, Maryland. The photos were taken at the recent Washington Redskins 35-7 domination of the Dallas Cowgirls.

The stadium seats just over 90,000 people.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d44/gocaps75/IMG_0543.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d44/gocaps75/IMG_0544.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d44/gocaps75/IMG_0545.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d44/gocaps75/IMG_0546.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d44/gocaps75/IMG_0548.jpg

Why are Americans septics? I make jokes about fat Americans but it's just a joke. I love America and want to live there one day as parts of America are the best places in the world. 'Septics' sounds like you are being serious!!

The Giants stadium is something like 40 years old!!! It was way ahead of it's time when built. It looks about 15 years old, not 40.

People usually take pride in there country. I've seen British people getting upset of a light joke. Although personally I dont care what people think. I go along with it and laugh along. The truth is that you are right. There are more fat people in america than other countries. But there are some of the best looking people in the world here too.

I'm suprised most American clubs can't afford roofs!! You would think they were richer and could easily afford one! I guess not!!

The weather in Berkeley is rather mild and the stadium doesn't need a roof! Plus this is for American college football not European soccer.

The joke isn't even funny considering you're talking about a college in California.

ahhh, yes, basketball season.

The joke isn't even funny considering you're talking about a college in California.

No, that's what makes it even funnier!!

Soccer has been played at FedEx Field on multiple occassions. The last being last summer when D.C. United of the MLS (US Soccer league) played a friendly game against Chelsea. Chelsea won 2-1.


Good stuff. I would love to see some pics? as football in this stadium would look great!!

People usually take pride in there country. I've seen British people getting upset of a light joke. Although personally I dont care what people think. I go along with it and laugh along. The truth is that you are right. There are more fat people in america than other countries. But there are some of the best looking people in the world here too.


I know, some of the girls in LA were fantastic!!!!

I think that many of you think its the best becasue it can fit 91 665, but i don't think that is a neccesity for a stadium. There are better stadiums such as Reliant Stadium, IMO that have less cap. Yet having a large cap. can also be good which is why the new Wembly stadium in London is better then FedEX field. It fits 90 000 and has a roof and has more leg room and area for each person than any other stadium.

I think that many of you think its the best becasue it can fit 91 665, but i don't think that is a neccesity for a stadium. There are better stadiums such as Reliant Stadium, IMO that have less cap. Yet having a large cap. can also be good which is why the new Wembly stadium in London is better then FedEX field. It fits 90 000 and has a roof and has more leg room and area for each person than any other stadium.


Too much leg room/area is a bad thing. You want the stadium to still have a compact feel for good atmosphere. Personally I love standing terraces as these are amazing for atmosphere and so for me the new German stadiums are the best in the world. Imagine being the goalkeeper in this pic!!! -

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/605/1500ok.jpg

:|


If you haven't heard of Mel Kiper don't even bother responding.

uh, no, i dont know who mel kiper is :|

gimme a break. i've been schooling you for 8 pages now and you dont think i know who some helmet-headed draft dork, who's only famous (and accurate) for calling Trev Alberts out, is?

the point being is that my sources are credible while yours are from consistently WRONG anyalysts, not to mention a subscriber-based college recruiting website, and some myspace accounts, e.g, "Draft Blitz", "Draft Insiders", et al.

Come on. One of those similar websites talks about VY being a 3rd or 4th round talent. And you've based your entire arguement about how RB is better than VY on these guys. I thought you would have come up with some better criteria by now ... its been weeks.

I guess i'm just right.


why is your link any more valid then these...

Thats not even the point. You challenged me to find anyone who thought VY was a better prospect than RB (other than texas fans -- your exact wording), and i went out and found you multiple. Now you're backpeddling and trying to derail the discussion and i find it hilarious.

All traces of funny ended several thread ago.

I think it looks great, sort of a village around it, too.

:|
Even then you haven't my whole argument has been they are both great players, no one will really know who is the better player until they have couple of NFL seasons under their belts. Reggie and Vince are the top 2 prospects by far, if you don't believe that you're godamn moron. I think Vince is the 2nd best which is perfectably acceptable to everyone but some Texas fans and I think Reggie is the #1, you think he is the next Rocket Ismail who played wide receiver???? I think it is fine to think Vince is the best but not at the cost of bashing Reggie, which is all you've done. There are definitely good arguments for both of them, I just think Reggie is better and I am not changing that so get over it.


answer this ^^




I'm going to answer your ridiculous statement even though you havent bothered to approach mine (I wouldnt either if i was genuinely shut down like i've done to you).

So, i THINK these are your questions:

Even then you haven't my whole argument has been they are both great players, no one will really know who is the better player until they have couple of NFL seasons under their belts.

no, you dickslap. that is not what the arguement is about. I know tech students arent known for their interpretive abilities, but the entire thread is about NFL potential, thus the constant use of the word "prospect", of which VY is the better of the two.


Reggie and Vince are the top 2 prospects by far, if you don't believe that you're godamn moron.

Beleive what i say or you're a poopy-head. Sounds like Gestapo-based tactics of an aggie. Whoop!

VY and RB may very well be the top 2 prospects, as you say, but thats not really the arguement now, is it?


I think Vince is the 2nd best which is perfectably acceptable to everyone but some Texas fans and I think Reggie is the #1, you think he is the next Rocket Ismail who played wide receiver????

Rocket was an all-porpose back, much, much like RB. Rocket returned kicks and played the slot ... much like reggie did. Rocket was compared to gale sayers in the 1991 Drafte Edition of Pro Football Weekly. here is the exact quote:

"Perhaps the most explosive open-field player since Gale Sayers. He's a time bomb waiting to explode. He has dynamite ability and competes like crazy. Dynamic impact player. (Blank) is the one super football player in the draft.

And of course, we've all heard the famous comparisons of RB to Sayers and, erm, Barry Sanders, and of course, not individually, but both of them combined :|

Why doesnt everyone take a deep breath and wait before comparing RB to TWO hall-of-fame standouts.

I think it is fine to think Vince is the best but not at the cost of bashing Reggie, which is all you've done.

first of all, is Reggie your crush of the moment, or what? Are you related to him. I can bash him all i want. What's it to you?

Secondly, i havent even approached bashing him. I've made a statistical, quantitative and qualitative argument about WHY VY was a better prospect than Bush. Yes, it could come off as bashing because really, there is no comparison and RB's stats are so deceiving. Would it be bashing if i compared the intellectual aptitude of Ben Franklin and PAris Hilton? No, reality is reality, and if the shoe fits, and all that stuff ...

For example, Reggie Bush ran for only 20 carries TWICE this year. One was against Oregon and the other against Fresno State. Neither was particularly impressive vs. the run, especially FSU, which ended their season on a 4 game skid. Truthfully, that is not impressive, and the FSU game is considered the benchmark of RB's career. MEanwhile, VY had 3 benchmark games this year, Ohio State in Columbus, Oklahoma State in Stillwater, and USC in Los Angeles. Three games, and nearly 1300 yards of total offense and 10 touchdowns. Now THATS impressive against NFL quality prospects. Hell, take out Okie State, and we're still talking about 800 total yards and 6 touchdowns, all on hostile turf.

There are definitely good arguments for both of them, I just think Reggie is better and I am not changing that so get over it.


I'm not really crying about it, like you are. I'm pretty confident in my arguement and my ability to present it and effectively bring to light why i think the way i think. On the other hand, i've yet to hear a strong case for your boy and why you think the way you do (other than some self annointed draft guru told you so).

Game.
Set.
Match.

Ice hockey teams in London ceased to be because of lack of decent ice sports facilities. Yet there, in North America, they are building arenas like that one just for uni teams!! I think the place looks great and pretty expensive inside and out. Love the red brick exterior too, class.

Sadly though Wembley doesnt have the option of standing room plus I wouldnt call the westfalenstadion "new".

One of the biggest looking in comparason to its actual size for me is the main stand at Old Trafford, the tiers getting progressively smaller has a kind of "jin mao" perspective fooling effect IMHO.

Sadly though Wembley doesnt have the option of standing room plus I wouldnt call the westfalenstadion "new".

One of the biggest looking in comparason to its actual size for me is the main stand at Old Trafford, the tiers getting progressively smaller has a kind of "jin mao" perspective fooling effect IMHO.

Westfalenstadion (SIGNAL IDUNA PARK to be precise) is quite a new stadium. All 4 stands and corners have been rebuilt and the stadium has just had new seats put in. More upgrades are being done for the World Cup. The stadium has amazing facilities. It truly is breathtaking to watch a game there!!


http://home.arcor.de/znotti/Pics/stadionumbau05/02/stadionumbau05.htm

http://www.stadion-live.de/ausbau/ausbau_4_fifa_wm_2006/ausbau_wm_2006/umbau_westfalenstadion_20050613/umbau_08_fifa_2006_dortmund.htm

http://www.stadion-live.de/ausbau/ausbau_4_fifa_wm_2006/ausbau_wm_2006/20050531/umbau1_fifa_2006_dortmund.htm

http://www.stadion-live.de/ausbau/ausbau_4_fifa_wm_2006/ausbau_wm_2006/20050615/umbau10_fifa_2006_dortmund.htm

http://www.stadion-live.de/ausbau/ausbau_4_fifa_wm_2006/ausbau_wm_2006/20050621/westfalenstadion_13_fifa_2006_dortmund.htm

http://www.stadion-live.de/ausbau/ausbau_4_fifa_wm_2006/ausbau_wm_2006/20050621/westfalenstadion_14_fifa_2006_dortmund.htm

http://www.stadion-live.de/ausbau/ausbau_4_fifa_wm_2006/umbau2_fifa_2006_dortmund.htm

http://www.stadion-live.de/ausbau/ausbau_4_fifa_wm_2006/umbau4_fifa_2006_dortmund.htm

^You mean the UC Berkely campus?

^^Yeah, Northwestern's football stadium (Ryan Field) only as a seating capacity of 47,130, and their basketball stadium (Welsh-Ryan Arena) is only 8,117. That may be all they really need though, especially for basketball.

That'll be awesome, once they actually have stands behind the endzones at U of I. It'll look way nicer and greatly increase the capacity, which is already at 69,249, with virtually no end stands.

No, that's what makes it even funnier!!
Shut the hell up man. The real reason it isn't funny is because, according to my calculations... hmmm, let's see here... times 2.... carry the 1... plus 15... you've used that joke an average of 347,000 times on each thread in this forum. It's enough already.

Now... getting to the real topic of this thread. Those are nice renderings. Both Memorial Stadiums are being rennovated (the other being Illinois') now. Looks great.

The renderings look really nice, although I am not sure when are they actually going to start the renovations.

Too much leg room/area is a bad thing. You want the stadium to still have a compact feel for good atmosphere. Personally I love standing terraces as these are amazing for atmosphere and so for me the new German stadiums are the best in the world. Imagine being the goalkeeper in this pic!!! -

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/605/1500ok.jpg

Dortmund is hardly representative of german venues. It the only large sacale terracing left in europe as far as I know.
Its great but I doubt its more than a major incident away from being shut down. People are trapped there. The police cant get in there if needed and the huge netting would suggest they cant get in a find people who throw stuff etc.
Apparently they are also planning various fencing schemes. Its only allowed in Germany among major european nations and only really taken up at Dortmund and for how long.

I am actually all for such terracing, but I dont believe its true to say its just as safe as seating as many do in order to get terracing back.

But perhaps fans should be given the option anyway just as we are all free to climb mountains. Dont see it happening, though.

I wish UCSD had a stadium like that....or even have a football team...

I am actually all for such terracing, but I dont believe its true to say its just as safe as seating as many do in order to get terracing back.

But perhaps fans should be given the option anyway just as we are all free to climb mountains. Dont see it happening, though.

I'd say the answer is to divide such terracing up with railings(more like a short fence say 4-5 foot high totally cutting off every few rows) and different access routes.

Capacity?

Ice hockey teams in London ceased to be because of lack of decent ice sports facilities. Yet there, in North America, they are building arenas like that one just for uni teams!! I think the place looks great and pretty expensive inside and out. Love the red brick exterior too, class.
There's going to be a new rink as part of the redevelopment of the Alexandra Palace. Sadly it's not likely to be open for a couple of years.

Shut the hell up man. The real reason it isn't funny is because, according to my calculations... hmmm, let's see here... times 2.... carry the 1... plus 15... you've used that joke an average of 347,000 times on each thread in this forum. It's enough already.

Now... getting to the real topic of this thread. Those are nice renderings. Both Memorial Stadiums are being rennovated (the other being Illinois') now. Looks great.

but the more I use it, the funnier it becomes. I can't lose!!!!!

Dortmund is hardly representative of german venues. It the only large sacale terracing left in europe as far as I know.
Its great but I doubt its more than a major incident away from being shut down. People are trapped there. The police cant get in there if needed and the huge netting would suggest they cant get in a find people who throw stuff etc.
Apparently they are also planning various fencing schemes. Its only allowed in Germany among major european nations and only really taken up at Dortmund and for how long.

I am actually all for such terracing, but I dont believe its true to say its just as safe as seating as many do in order to get terracing back.

But perhaps fans should be given the option anyway just as we are all free to climb mountains. Dont see it happening, though.


Nearly all German grounds have large terraced areas. Dortmund is the biggest, but most other German clubs have sizeable terraces that vastly improve the atmosphere.

Moenchengladbach -

http://www.stadionwelt-fanfotos.de/stadionwelt_fans_neu/templates/fanfotos_fussball/deutschland/borussia_moenchengladbach/saison20052006/liga_15/110pu.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt-fanfotos.de/stadionwelt_fans_neu/templates/fanfotos_fussball/deutschland/borussia_moenchengladbach/saison20052006/liga_2/110.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt-fanfotos.de/stadionwelt_fans_neu/templates/fanfotos_fussball/deutschland/borussia_moenchengladbach/saison20052006/liga_13/140ep.jpg

Schalke -

http://www.stadionwelt-fanfotos.de/stadionwelt_fans_neu/templates/fanfotos_fussball/deutschland/fc_schalke_04/saison20052006/liga_1/130_s.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt-fanfotos.de/stadionwelt_fans_neu/templates/fanfotos_fussball/deutschland/fc_schalke_04/saison20052006/liga_12/108wi.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt-fanfotos.de/stadionwelt_fans_neu/templates/fanfotos_fussball/deutschland/fc_schalke_04/saison20052006/liga_12/120sv.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt-fanfotos.de/stadionwelt_fans_neu/templates/fanfotos_fussball/deutschland/fc_schalke_04/saison20052006/liga_1/160_s.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt-fanfotos.de/stadionwelt_fans_neu/templates/fanfotos_fussball/deutschland/fc_schalke_04/saison20052006/liga_9/130pr.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt-fanfotos.de/stadionwelt_fans_neu/templates/fanfotos_fussball/deutschland/fc_schalke_04/saison20052006/liga_3/140_bs.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt-fanfotos.de/stadionwelt_fans_neu/templates/fanfotos_fussball/deutschland/fc_schalke_04/saison20052006/liga_3/150_bf.jpg

but the more I use it, the funnier it becomes. I can't lose!!!!!


holy shit. i just looked up your profile to try to gain an insight as to what makes you so fucking stupid, and i discovered that YOU'RE OVER 30!!!

holy shit, you're a loser.

Don't you have a job or something relevant. i know you dont have anything approaching a wife, much less a girlfriend. Maybe you should care for a fish for a little while and gain some perspective.

Its interesting that Miami, OH and Miami, FL came about their names indepedently. Miami, OH is named after the Miami Indians of the region. Miami, FL is named after the local Tequesta indians word for "Big Water" or "Sweet Water" Mayaimi which the Spanish "latinized" to "Miami".

not bad, but a little bland.....compared to what your rivals in red are doing.

but the more I use it, the funnier it becomes. I can't lose!!!!!

Ya man seriously, I am a european football fan not american but that isn't even funny. Your just picking fights when the forum isn't for that. I can understand why most American football stadiums don't have roofs especially college. Many places have good weather, a lot of the stadiums are really long and wide and sometimes akward designs like Soldier field where it would be tough to cover it.

holy shit. i just looked up your profile to try to gain an insight as to what makes you so fucking stupid, and i discovered that YOU'RE OVER 30!!!

holy shit, you're a loser.

Don't you have a job or something relevant. i know you dont have anything approaching a wife, much less a girlfriend. Maybe you should care for a fish for a little while and gain some perspective.


I have a lovely wife, 2 kids and a great job at Strathclyde University. You are a fat American who can't take a joke and starts crying!! It's just a joke fatboy, chill out and eat a cheesburger!!

as for the stadium, not bad, but not great. Still impressive for a university though!!

I can't stand this new arena!! why the hell has it got a roof??? Totally ruins it!!

I have a lovely wife, 2 kids and a great job at Strathclyde University. You are a fat American who can't take a joke and starts crying!! It's just a joke fatboy, chill out and eat a cheesburger!!

as for the stadium, not bad, but not great. Still impressive for a university though!!

i also see that you'r an IT guy. A real winner with the ladies, i'm sure. I bet your wife's hot ... and by hot, i mean queen elizabeth, hot.

i also see that you'r an IT guy. A real winner with the ladies, i'm sure. I bet your wife's hot ... and by hot, i mean queen elizabeth, hot.


hahahahahaha - you're so funny. I wish I had a sense of humour like you. I think i've split my sides!!

Chill out chunky, don't take things so seriously!!

hahahahahaha - you're so funny. I wish I had a sense of humour like you. I think i've split my sides!!

Chill out chunky, don't take things so seriously!!

nice try. i give that one two thumbs "meh", Rock Master Scott.

I have a lovely wife, 2 kids and a great job at Strathclyde University. You are a fat American who can't take a joke and starts crying!! It's just a joke fatboy, chill out and eat a cheesburger!!

as for the stadium, not bad, but not great. Still impressive for a university though!!

bubomb, you've pushed the line. While the roof jokes are far from funny, you are entitled to your opinion. But lately you have been engaging in pure bigotry, calling Americans fat on numerous occasions, among other insults. You are making the forums an enjoyable place, and I have reported you to the moderators.

bubomb, you've pushed the line. While the roof jokes are far from funny, you are entitled to your opinion. But lately you have been engaging in pure bigotry, calling Americans fat on numerous occasions, among other insults. You are making the forums an enjoyable place, and I have reported you to the moderators.

I'm glad i'm making the forums an enjoyable place, but I don't think this is a reason to report me!! As you have no sense of humour and are starting to cry then I will not call Americans fat anymore. I don't like seeing grown men cry so I won't do it.

^ The things you say are immature and annoying and are inhibiting intelligent conversations. All I ask of you (as many others have expressed as well) is to tone it down and stick to the topic of discussion, and to not engage in your nonsensical anti-American banter.

^ The things you say are immature and annoying and are inhibiting intelligent conversations. All I ask of you (as many others have expressed as well) is to tone it down and stick to the topic of discussion, and to not engage in your nonsensical anti-American banter.


Christ!! I agreed to your demands!! What more do you want? BLOOD!!

I'm glad i'm making the forums an enjoyable place, but I don't think this is a reason to report me!! As you have no sense of humour and are starting to cry then I will not call Americans fat anymore. I don't like seeing grown men cry so I won't do it.

Haha. Oops - I meant to write unenjoyable - I assume you knew what I meant there.

^ For god's sake...

In regards to the London hockey scene....

Went along and saw some hockey in London at the London Arena on the Isle of Dogs back in 2001. The London Knights were playing the Bracknell Bees saw another match with the Knights playing Belfast Bombers. The attendance for the second game had come down a long way from the Bees match. They folded the team after that season due to financial problems from memory. So the club must have been struggling. All the players were Canadians too, maybe a few Americans and Europeans thrown in.

Looked like a decent enough stadium to me. Although it was basically a shed and the seating was just scaffolding like you get at the circus. It did the job okay. Even the Robbie Williams video of him ice-dancing was shot in there. (For the Americans who have no idea who that guy is, he is Britain's answer to Ricky Martin...but British if you get my drift). When I went over to the UK I initially thought the guy was actually a soccer player. Turned out he was a pop singer. Apparently he wants to become a stand up comedian now.

Anyway what struck me about having hockey in the UK is that it generally is not cold enough for the rivers or lakes to freeze. So you are not going to have kids running out to learn how to play hockey like you would in places like Scandinavia or Russia. So the grass roots will never be there. They would be better off at basketball although Britons are generally a small sized people so they probably won't be terribly good at that either. But, who are they kidding? They are not particularly good at many sports.

I can't stand this new arena!! why the hell has it got a roof??? Totally ruins it!!

you're kicking a dead horse....

ok, enough is enough!!

I think reggie is better and have presented my case we'll see who the Texans draft.

you are incredibly arrogant and will look very stupid on draft day.

Haha. Oops - I meant to write unenjoyable - I assume you knew what I meant there.

Yes, but ironically you were correct!!

:sly:

Who gets drafted first simply doesn't determine the best player, but rather the best player for a given team. You could have a situation where the best 5 college players are QBs, and teams that have drafted QBs the last two years and have a QB like Leftwich or Culpepper get drafted 9th or 10th.

you are incredibly arrogant and will look very stupid on draft day.

you might be right, and for that, i apologize. seriously. my intention wasnt to come off as an arrogant prick, unfortunately, passion can bring out the worst in individuals. i respect your views, but respectfully, i disagree. sorry if i'm playing the asshole longhorn.

look. the texans may very well draft bush. but in my opinion, and my opinion solely, VY is the better candidate for reasons given.

wreck em and hook em, and all that good stuff.

you're a texan and i'm a texan and for me, thats good enough. we have better shite to do than argue amongst those of the Great State.

^^^ Look, it's a mod! They do exist in this forum!

Capacity?

According to the athletics site, the new hockey arena will seat 3,200 seats.

But, who are they kidding? They are not particularly good at many sports.


:O

Australians are hardly better than us at Basket ball and Ice hockey.

Or football, or possibly cricket :crazy:


Anyhoo.


I see these 10,000 capacity+ areas just for US Unis, and I get jealous that they have such great facilities...while in the UK we only have about half a dozen or so with a capacity of over 10,000.

you can't call yourself a Texan if you can't argue about football...

back to topic

I think it's really sad that Cal will be renovating their stadium while Stanford is building a new one. Memorial Stadium sits right on top of the Hayward Fault, it will be split in half if there's a big earthquake on that fault. :bash:

Reliant stadium looks fantastic, a huge stadium, also Azteca is great but is quite old althought is the only one stadium in the world that has hosted 2 world cup finals (1970 and 1986).

Azteca is not the best in America, it's the best in the world imo.

Azteca is not the best in America, it's the best in the world imo.

HOW?????? the only good things about it are the atmosphere and the size. It's ugly, old, has crappy faded seats which most of the southern Americas stadiums have, they're not very well maintained, and the only good stadiums in America are the ones in the USA, and maybe the Skydome

ARGENTINA:

Bombonera stadium:
City: Buenos Aires
Capacity: 65.000

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7116/52mj.jpg

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1117/14bv1.jpghttp://img59.imageshack.us/img59/6923/23lm.jpg


River Plate stadium:
City: Buenos Aires
Capacity: 80.000

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/962/53rj.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2765/69qy1.jpg


Mar del Plata stadium:
City: Mar del Plata
Capacity: 45.000

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1664/77ss.jpg


Rosario Central stadium:
City: Rosario
Capacity: 50.000

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5245/116os.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2364/125mb.jpghttp://img23.imageshack.us/img23/776/169eg.jpg


Velez Sarsfield stadium: (old pic)
City: Buenos Aires
Capacity: 70.000

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1313/133qh.jpg


Château Carreras stadium:
City: Cordoba
Capacity: 45.000

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6306/143yf.jpg

Malvinas Argentinas stadium: (old pic)
City: Mendoza
Capacity: 40.000

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7467/109kp.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2083/168fd.jpg


Ciudad de Salta stadium:
City: Salta
Capacity: 35.000

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9606/274rt.jpg


Independiente de Avellaneda stadium:
City: Avellaneda
Capacity: 45.000

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/2128/nuevoestadio3zk.jpg
under construction, done in 2006


Racing Club de Avellaneda stadium:
City: Avellaneda
Capacity: 75.000

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6361/98ar.jpg


Estadio Unico: (brazilian model and Martin Palermo's wife)
City: La Plata
Capacity:65.000

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8445/239wn.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/126/243go.jpg


Ciudad de la Plata stadium:
Cty: La Plata
Capacity:65.000

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4885/96ap.jpghttp://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7917/102ku.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4121/118uy.jpghttp://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1091/297sb.jpg (roof under construction)


Orfeo Arena:
City: Cordoba

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/3735/341hy.jpg

Azteca is not the best in America, it's the best in the world imo.

It nees a little touch up to be the best in the world.

It nees a little touch up to be the best in the world.

you mispelt "massive" touch up

HOW?????? the only good things about it are the atmosphere and the size. It's ugly, old, has crappy faded seats which most of the southern Americas stadiums have, they're not very well maintained, and the only good stadiums in America are the ones in the USA, and maybe the Skydome
Atmosphere is the most important aspect of a stadium, imo. Who cares if the seats are crappy and faded.
The other sadiums I put up there with it are:

San Siro
Westfalenstadion
Santiago Bernebeu
New Webley
Ashburton Grove

back to topic

I think it's really sad that Cal will be renovating their stadium while Stanford is building a new one. Memorial Stadium sits right on top of the Hayward Fault, it will be split in half if there's a big earthquake on that fault. :bash:

That is quite true, I wish they could build a new stadium somewhere. I guess its cheaper to renovate old Memorial Stadium than to build one from a scratch. Besides, Stanford is building its own new stadium on top of the bulldozed old one as their main reason to build it is to solve their lack of attendence.

http://www.mnsi.net/~dcoop/images/superbowl-40.JPG

Ford Field
Capacity- 65,000
City- Detroit, Michigan
Year Built- 2002
http://www.engsoc.org/~bford/detroit2/slides/IMG_0078.jpg
http://www.aerialpics.com/G/fordfieldlink.jpg
http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/nfc/fordfield502.jpg
http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/nfc/ford503.jpg
http://www.sportsvenue-technology.com/projects/ford_field/images/4_ford_field.jpg
http://www.sportsvenue-technology.com/projects/ford_field/images/3_ford_field.jpg
http://www.safemanagement.net/FordField.jpg
http://www.precastservices.com/StructuralPics/FF_night_090401.jpg
http://www.soulofamerica.com/images2/photosmi2/Detroit_skyline.jpg

Ehh Not the most asthetically pleasing, but it looks nice inside.

It seems to blend in with downtown pretty well.

Yeah the roof could use some character, but overall it really is a beautiful facility.

Someone post pics of the main lobbies and skyboxes. The way they built an old warehouse into the side of the stadium is really unique, very creative! :cheers:

World's greatest indoor venue, IMHO, and one of the best sporting venues ever built.....Period.

http://img51.exs.cx/img51/8553/ford242qs.jpg
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Agreed. Too bad it doesnt have a team to play in it

:)

By the way, i'm sure that the city will decorate the roof for SB purposes. Like with what they did with it for the ASG.

Agreed. Too bad it doesnt have a team to play in it
.

damnit...you beat me to it lol

worlds greatest indoor venue?A sweeping statement
Reliant Staduim Houston
Millenium Staduim Cardiff
Telstra Staduim Melbourne
all 3 could make an argument for that title

Like the widescreen video boards.

What became of the Silverdome and Tiger Stadium? The Silverdome was a modern marvel a few years back.

Supposedly this new stadium is built in the dodgy parts of Detroit where it is mainly poor negroes, crime and drug abuse. Is it safe to park your car whilst going to a match?

Yes, I'm making that statement. Those mentioned are retractables, but still feel like domes inside. That's the difference here. Perhaps the huge skylights eliminate that feeling, but Ford almost feels like you're outdoors. Its almost like the Safeco Field of the NFL. As an entire project, this place is amazing. If there are better venues in the world, they are few and far between. I think that's amazing for me( a dome and roof hater) to say that. I wish more non-baseball stadiums would pay that much attention to detail. Too bad it has had a bad team playing there since it opened.

The Lions left the Silverdome for downtown. I don't know why. Perhaps the lack of suites in the Silverdome. Perhaps its suburban location as well. The Tigers left Tiger Stadium for Comerica. I'm guessing the cost of renovation from lack of good upkeep did Tiger Stadium in. Don't know for sure, but Comerica is, like most of the new MLB parks, outstanding. The two venues sit next to each other and have helped revitalize that area of downtown Detroit.

How much are tickets for the Superbowl? Am not talking on the Black market I mean face value.

Doesnt the superbowl have some kind of minium capacity? I remember someone mentioning the new Cardinals Stadium needed the space to construct some temp seats and thats around the same size as Ford Field.

Is it Field Turf? And has it hosted any soccer games?

Supposedly this new stadium is built in the dodgy parts of Detroit where it is mainly poor negroes, crime and drug abuse. Is it safe to park your car whilst going to a match?


holy smokes. if the internet was around in the 40s, this is what it would look like.


Is it Field Turf? And has it hosted any soccer games?

i beleive its Field Turf, and no, it has not hosted any international soccer games or friendlies. Its only a matter of time, though. the Silverdome hosted the first ever indoor WC match, and that was in detroit.

Ford Field is absolutely majestic in terms of urban stadiums.

Is it true they're going to demolish the Silverdome? That thing was awesome! It seated over 80,000!!!

:(

i beleive its Field Turf, and no, it has not hosted any international soccer games or friendlies. Its only a matter of time, though. the Silverdome hosted the first ever indoor WC match, and that was in detroit.

Ford Field is absolutely majestic in terms of urban stadiums.

Yeah, I remember the games in Silverdome, Sweden played two of their games in it, natural grass in hexagon shapes was inserted into the playing field! These were the days when artificial grass was on its way out of the sport world...

I also remember it was extremely hot inside, as the Silverdome ventilation system was dimensioned for the NFL football season (september-january as most of us here know) and not for soccer games in the end of june/beginning of july.

Little bit ironic that this years SB is played in Ford Field, the year haven't started really well for Ford...

World's greatest indoor venue, IMHO, and one of the best sporting venues ever built.....Period.

I don't think so, it is not the best indoor venue. The outside looks alright but the roof is ugly and the interior looks unfinished and doesn't have that same feeling as when you see somthing like Reliant Stadium, then you say wow but not for this.

Go Steelers!!!

Doesnt the superbowl have some kind of minium capacity? I remember someone mentioning the new Cardinals Stadium needed the space to construct some temp seats and thats around the same size as Ford Field.

That's correct. I believe the minimum is 72,000. The issue came up with Tampa and Jacksonville's Superbowl, but wasn't much of an issue since both have areas like Arizona's new stadium that easily add seats. I've not seen any plans as to how this will be corrected. Perhaps Detroit recieved a waiver because of the promise to build it and host a Superbowl(which are unbelieveably lucrative for an area). Perhaps they will add a couple of rows on the bottoms of the sideline seating. Perhaps they will add a row between the two decks. Perhaps they will fill in the gap with temp seats. Perhaps all of the above. I imagine the extra few thousand could easily be worked out in these ways. This place is pretty flexible as we've seen with that huge basketball game a couple of years ago. I imagine we'll see when they start doing the reports on Superbowl preparations where they show the field being painted, etc. In this case, new endzones and field symbols being sewn in.

Is this the first Superbowl on an artificial infill surface? I can't even remember the last one on an artificial surface. New England's win over St. Louis maybe?

I wonder when they are going to drop the roman numeral thing? The numbers are starting to get a little high to refer to them as the number in a sequence since the first. Wouldn't Super Bowl 2006 make more sense? I guess it would get a little confusing since the regular season is played in 2005 and the playoffs and SB in 2006.

The NFL from the air: aerial views of NFL stadiums and practice facilities.

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Arizona Cardinals

Sun Devil Stadium (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.426561,-111.932616&spn=0.003973,0.006951&t=k&hl=en) - Tempe, AZ

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.340316,-111.952679&spn=0.003976,0.006951&t=k&hl=en) - Tempe, AZ

Future Stadium (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.527596,-112.262442&spn=0.003968,0.006951&t=k&hl=en) - Glendale, AZ


Atlanta Falcons

Georgia Dome (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=33.756996~-84.399688&style=o&lvl=1&scene=1209273) (local.live)

Georgia Dome (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=33.757733,-84.400803&spn=0.004192,0.007317&t=k) (google)


Baltimore Ravens

M&T Bank Stadium (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=39.27819~-76.622222&style=o&lvl=1&scene=3660548) (local.live)

M&T Bank Stadium (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=39.277971,-76.622096&spn=0.003903,0.007317&t=k) (google)

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=39.427973,-76.778351&spn=0.003895,0.007317&t=k) - Owings Mills, MD (google)


Buffalo Bills

Ralph Wilson Stadium (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=42.774359~-78.786601&style=o&lvl=1&scene=656598) - Orchard Park, NY (local.live)

Ralph Wilson Stadium (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=42.773747,-78.786628&spn=0.003701,0.007317&t=k) - Orchard Park, NY (google)

Practice Facility (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=42.771315~-78.78528&style=o&lvl=1&scene=656719) - Orchard Park, NY (local.live)

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=42.77051,-78.785394&spn=0.003702,0.007317&t=k) - Orchard Park, NY (google)


Carolina Panthers

Bank of America Stadium (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=35.225849~-80.853024&style=h&lvl=18&scene=1209273) (local.live)

Bank of America Stadium (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=35.225578,-80.852723&spn=0.004119,0.007317&t=k) (google)

Practice Facility (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=35.229307~-80.85349&style=h&lvl=18&scene=1209273) - Charlotte, NC (local.live)

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=35.22904,-80.852262&spn=0.004119,0.007317&t=k) - Charlotte, NC (google)


Chicago Bears

Soldier Field (uc) (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=41.862889~-87.616578&style=h&lvl=17&scene=2164192) (local.live)

Soldier Field (uc) (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=41.861954,-87.616053&spn=0.003755,0.007317&t=k) (google)

Practice Facility (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=42.256475~-87.895088&style=h&lvl=16&scene=2164192) - Lake Forest, IL (local.live)

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=42.256118,-87.893747&spn=0.003732,0.007317&t=k) - Lake Forest, IL (google)


Cincinnati Bengals

Paul Brown Stadium (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=39.09529~-84.516689&style=o&lvl=1&scene=1992452) (local.live)

Paul Brown Stadium (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=39.095297,-84.515526&spn=0.003914,0.007317&t=k) (google)

Practice Facility (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=39.094751~-84.51824&style=o&lvl=1&scene=1992452) - Cleveland, OH (local.live)

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=39.09498,-84.518852&spn=0.003914,0.007317&t=k) - Cincinnati, OH (google)


Cleveland Browns

Cleveland Browns Stadium (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=41.5063~-81.699759&style=h&lvl=17&scene=337051) (local.live)

Cleveland Browns Stadium (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=41.506151,-81.699497&spn=0.003776,0.007317&t=k) (google)

Practice Facility (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=41.38122~-81.849561&style=h&lvl=17&scene=337051) - Berea, OH (local.live)

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=41.381075,-81.849056&spn=0.003784,0.007317&t=k) - Berea, OH (google)


Dallas Cowboys

Texas Stadium (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=32.839875~-96.911457&style=h&lvl=18&scene=1525609) - Irving, TX (local.live)

Texas Stadium (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=32.839456,-96.910508&spn=0.003999,0.006951&t=k&hl=en) - Irving, TX (google)

Practice Facility (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=32.941088~-96.948144&style=h&lvl=18&scene=1525609) - Irving, TX (local.live)

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=32.940547,-96.947469&spn=0.003995,0.006951&t=k&hl=en) - Irving, TX (google)


Denver Broncos

Mile High Stadium (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=39.744109~-105.020692&style=h&lvl=18&scene=1525609) (local.live)

Mile High Stadium (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=39.743684,-105.019877&spn=0.003660,0.006951&t=k&hl=en) (google)

Practice Facility (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=39.577776~-104.832815&style=o&lvl=1&scene=7276) Englewood, CO (local.live)

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=39.579149,-104.830137&spn=0.003669,0.006951&t=k&hl=en) - Englewood, CO (google)


Detroit Lions

Ford Field (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=42.340172~-83.04574&style=h&lvl=18&scene=337051) (local.live)

Ford Field (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=42.33995,-83.045257&spn=0.003727,0.007317&t=k) (google)

Practice Facility (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=42.298627~-83.203138&style=h&lvl=18&scene=337051) - Allen Park, MI (local.live)

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=42.298437,-83.20296&spn=0.00373,0.007317&t=k) - Allen Park, MI (google)


Green Bay Packers

Lambeau Field (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=44.501602~-88.062372&style=h&lvl=17&scene=2164192) (local.live)

Practice Facility (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=44.500469~-88.056729&style=h&lvl=17&scene=2164192) - Green Bay, WI (local.live)


Houston Texans

Reliant Stadium (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=29.6837~-95.411834&style=h&lvl=18&scene=1525609) (local.live)

Reliant Stadium (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=29.684940,-95.411346&spn=0.004135,0.006951&t=k&hl=en) (google)


Indianapolis Colts

RCA Dome (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=39.763922~-86.1638&style=o&lvl=1&scene=2381053) (local.live)

RACA Dome (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=39.763323,-86.162982&spn=0.003876,0.007317&t=k) (google)

Practice Facility (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=39.850354~-86.284673&style=o&lvl=1&scene=2164192) - Indianapolis, IN (local.live)

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=39.85007,-86.28455&spn=0.003871,0.007317&t=k) - Indianapolis, IN (google)


Jacksonville Jaguars

Altell Stadium (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=30.323608~-81.637366&style=o&lvl=1&scene=1526117) (local.live)

Altell Stadium (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=30.324286,-81.637012&spn=0.004353,0.007317&t=k) (google)

Practice Facility (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=30.325786~-81.639158&style=o&lvl=1&scene=1525609) - Jacksonville, FL(local.live)

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=30.322165,-81.637259&spn=0.004353,0.007317&t=k) - Jacksonville, FL (google)


Kansas City Chiefs

Arrowhead Stadium (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=39.049394~-94.484353&style=h&lvl=17&scene=2164192) (local.live)

Arrowhead Stadium (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=39.048752,-94.484214&spn=0.003916,0.007317&t=k) (google)

Practice Facility (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=39.051194~-94.49299&style=h&lvl=17&scene=2164192) - Kansas City, MO (local.live)

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=39.050919,-94.491981&spn=0.003916,0.007317&t=k) - Kansas City, MO (google)


Miami Dolphins

Dolphins Stadium (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=25.958156~-80.23913&style=h&lvl=18&scene=1525609) (local.live)

Dolphins Stadium (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=25.957562,-80.238444&spn=0.004534,0.007317&t=k) (google)

Pracitce Facility (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=26.082659~-80.246383&style=h&lvl=18&scene=1525609) - Davie, FL(local.live)

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=26.082765,-80.244999&spn=0.004529,0.007317&t=k) - Davie, FL (google)


Minnesota Vikings

Metrodome (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=44.973679,-93.257403&spn=0.003567,0.007317&t=k) (google)

Practice Facility (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=44.86117~-93.40147&style=h&lvl=18&scene=2164192) - Eden Prairie, MN (local.live)

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=44.860919,-93.400612&spn=0.003574,0.007317&t=k) - Eden Prairie, MN (google)


New England Patriots

Gillette Stadium (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=42.090966~-71.264322&style=o&lvl=1&scene=3542999) - Foxboro, MA (local.live)

Foxboro Stadium and Gillette Stadium (uc) (http://maps.google.com/?ll=42.091718,-71.265779&spn=0.003742,0.007317&t=k) - Foxboro, MA (google)

Practice Facility (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=42.088578~-71.265473&style=o&lvl=1&scene=3542933) Foxboro, MA (local.live)

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=42.088231,-71.264684&spn=0.003742,0.007317&t=k) - Foxboro, MA (google)


New Orleans Saints

Superdome (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=29.950993,-90.080713&spn=0.004124,0.006951&t=k&hl=en)

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=29.974454,-90.194117&spn=0.004123,0.006951&t=k&hl=en) - Metairie, LA


New York Giants

Giants Stadium (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=40.811766~-74.077377&style=o&lvl=1&scene=2692153) - East Rutherford, NJ (local.live)

Giants Stadium (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=40.812063,-74.076122&spn=0.003816,0.007317&t=k) - East Rutherford, NJ (google)

Practice Facility (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=40.812162~-74.079488&style=o&lvl=1&scene=2690931) - East Rutherford, NJ (local.live)

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=40.812404,-74.079362&spn=0.003816,0.007317&t=k) - East Rutherford, NJ (google)



New York Jets

Giants Stadium (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=40.811766~-74.077377&style=o&lvl=1&scene=2692153) - East Rutherford, NJ (local.live)

Giants Stadium (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=40.812063,-74.076122&spn=0.003816,0.007317&t=k) - East Rutherford, NJ (google)

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=40.717786,-73.59473&spn=0.003822,0.007317&t=k) - Hempstead, NY (google)


Oakland Raiders

McAfee Coliseum (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.751469,-122.199994&spn=0.003763,0.006951&t=k&hl=en)

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.725303,-122.231752&spn=0.003765,0.006951&t=k&hl=en) - Alameda, CA


Philadelphia Eagles

Lincoln Financial Field (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=39.901378~-75.167469&style=o&lvl=1&scene=1989690) (local.live)

Lincoln Financial Field (uc) (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=39.900831,-75.166687&spn=0.003868,0.007317&t=k) (google)

Practice Facility (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=39.907161~-75.176258&style=o&lvl=1&scene=1987446) - Philadelphia, PA (local.live)

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=39.90688,-75.175399&spn=0.003868,0.007317&t=k) - Philadelphia, PA (google)


Pittsburgh Steelers

Heinz Field (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=40.446392,-80.015391&spn=0.003837,0.007317&t=k)

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=40.421525,-79.956136&spn=0.003839,0.007317&t=k) - Pittsburgh, PA

San Diego Chargers

Qualcomm Stadium (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=32.782846,-117.118989&spn=0.004002,0.006951&t=k&hl=en)

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=32.818477,-117.118099&spn=0.004000,0.006951&t=k&hl=en) - San Diego, CA


San Francisco 49ers

Candlestick Park (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=37.713395~-122.386381&style=o&lvl=1&scene=1284707) (local.live)

Candelstick Park (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.713524,-122.385796&spn=0.003765,0.006951&t=k&hl=en) (google)

Practice Facility (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=37.403408~-121.967517&style=h&lvl=18&scene=1285089) -Santa Clara, CA (local.live)

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.403207,-121.966213&spn=0.003781,0.006951&t=k&hl=en) - Santa Clara, CA (google)


St. Louis Rams

Edward Jones Dome (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=38.633182~-90.188683&style=h&lvl=18&scene=2164192) (local.live)

Edward Jones Dome (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=38.633014,-90.187969&spn=0.003939,0.007317&t=k) (google)

Practice Facility (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=38.762316~-90.452499&style=h&lvl=17&scene=2164192) - Earth City, MO (local.live)

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=38.761956,-90.452306&spn=0.003932,0.007317&t=k) - Earth City, MO (google)


Seattle Seahawks

Qwest Field (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=47.595672~-122.332005&style=o&lvl=1&scene=3702714) (local.live)

Qwest Field (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=47.595051,-122.331058&spn=0.003210,0.006951&t=k&hl=en) (google)

Practice Facility (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=47.657429~-122.189572&style=o&lvl=1&scene=3701235) - Kirkland, WA (local.live)

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=47.657106,-122.189684&spn=0.003206,0.006951&t=k&hl=en) - Kirkland, WA (google)


Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Raymond James Stadium (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=27.976258~-82.50366&style=h&lvl=18&scene=1525609) (local.live)

Raymond James Stadium (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=27.975728,-82.502496&spn=0.004453,0.007317&t=k) (google)

Pracitce Facility (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=27.962125~-82.525429&style=h&lvl=18&scene=1525609) - Tampa, FL(local.live)

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=27.961504,-82.524662&spn=0.004454,0.007317&t=k) - Tampa, FL (google)


Tennessee Titans

Adelphia Coliseum (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=36.16674~-86.771532&style=h&lvl=18&scene=2164192) (local.live)

Practice Facility (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=36.198863~-86.804609&style=h&lvl=18&scene=2164192) - Nashville, TN (local.live)


Washington Redskins

FedEx Field (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=38.907635~-76.865307&style=o&lvl=1&scene=1032952) - Landover, MD (local.live)

FedEx Field (http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&hl=en&ll=38.907824,-76.864171&spn=0.004083,0.007145&t=k) (google)

Practice Facility (http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=39.02656~-77.443957&style=h&lvl=18&scene=1032952) Ashburn, VA (local.live)

Practice Facility (http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=39.026127,-77.443378&spn=0.003917,0.007317&t=k) - Ashburn, VA (google)

The pictures are awesome, I totally got the feel of the place. Can't wait for Feb. 5th. Go Seahawks!

I wonder when they are going to drop the roman numeral thing? The numbers are starting to get a little high to refer to them as the number in a sequence since the first. Wouldn't Super Bowl 2006 make more sense? I guess it would get a little confusing since the regular season is played in 2005 and the playoffs and SB in 2006.

Funny thing is, XL is the antithesis to what you are saying. Very simple. I can see what you're saying though. Just watch the credits roll to the end on any movie.

Are these facilities open to the public or are the teams very secretive about their practice sessions?

^ it varies. Usually they are the most accessible during August camp.

What would be the proportion of supporters attending the match that actually support the two competing clubs? Or is it mainly the "theatre goer" set.

BTW there is a soup kitchen in Melbourne called "Supa Bowl".

"theatre goer" from what I can tell. Drastic contrast to the Rose Bowl earlier this month where half the stadium was red and half orange. Big home party and bar party day though.

It appears to be a world wide affliction this "theatregoer" set. We also have the same gathering of blow-ins and hoi poloi at our big game down under. You will find the same with the World Cup final in the soccer, the Olympics etc.. I think it sucks.

^^This is one of the things I don't like about the Super Bowl. Too many CEO's and corporate big-shots at the game, and not enonough real, hard-core fans. It deminishes the atmosphere

I wonder when they are going to drop the roman numeral thing? The numbers are starting to get a little high to refer to them as the number in a sequence since the first. Wouldn't Super Bowl 2006 make more sense? I guess it would get a little confusing since the regular season is played in 2005 and the playoffs and SB in 2006.
I see your point, but the 40th SB is the perfect one for Roman numerals. Super Bowl XL. Extra Large! It's perfect for the Super Bowl.

Little bit ironic that this years SB is played in Ford Field, the year haven't started really well for Ford...

The cynical side of me kinda wonders if they didn't have that in mind when they invested in the stadium. Throw in a couple million dollars for naming rights to support the local sports team and maybe people wont think quite so bitterly of you when you shut down thousands of jobs and suck hundreds of millions of dollars out of the local economy a couple years later.

^^This is one of the things I don't like about the Super Bowl. Too many CEO's and corporate big-shots at the game, and not enonough real, hard-core fans. It deminishes the atmosphere




well, at just over $500 a ticket, FACE VALUE, i cant really see too many commoners really making the trip to Detroit (especially Detroit) for the game. It would cost thousands to get a flight, hotel, ticket (scalped), food, booze, and souveniers, so this thing really is built for the corporate heads, as shite as that sounds. Many people would rather use the money on a HiDef DLP widescreen or something and have a huge party. I remember my dad used to come home every January with a new Big Screen TV back in the early 90s when the Dallas Cowboys were tearing shit up in the SuperBowl. I think its more traditional to have a big party than to try to attend the game.

In 2 years, the SB is in Glendale, AZ (new Cardinals Stadium) and i have no desire to attend, even if it is the Cowboys playing. I think they said face value for those tix will be $575.

^ Very true on the parties. All you ever hear is about someone having a party or bars or restaurants showing the games and having superbowl parties. Don't think I know anyone who has ever attended the superbowl. As expensive as Rose Bowl tickets were in many cases, I know a ton of people who have gone the last couple of years.

^ Very true on the parties. All you ever hear is about someone having a party or bars or restaurants showing the games and having superbowl parties. Don't think I know anyone who has ever attended the superbowl. As expensive as Rose Bowl tickets were in many cases, I know a ton of people who have gone the last couple of years.


so there is no fan segregation at the super bowl?

Not generally, since it's held at a neutral site and costs so damn much to get in.

Just another example why NCAA football is so much better than the NFL.

There are some tour companies about that advertise 6 or so months out about organized visits to the Super Bowl, US Masters Golf, Indy 500 whatever your bag. Pretty sure they cost around $10,000 AUD all up, including airfares from Oz. It might be way more now, but I have seen it in the past.

It is probably a better idea just to get along to a regular match and get along to one of these parties. The actual cash you would save could be put towards beer and feed.

Only managed to get to one gridiron game in LA between two uni teams. It was too hard to get down to San Diego when I was last in America to see pro gridiron. LA lost their NFL teams apparently so it was disapointing initially. Then actually going to the Uni game it was sensational. The bands and dancing you get is better than you get for the Olympic games opening ceremony!

What really surprised me about gridiron was the actual time it took to play a game. It must be close to 4 hours all up. Lots of fun and plenty of on-field violence. It is quite a simple game to understand also. Ignore what the commentators are always harping on about it just confuses things. It all boils down to somehow getting the ball 10 yards in 4 attempts any damn way possible, providing you don't break one of the laws. Quite similar to rugby league where you get 6 "tackles" to move the ball downfield.

Looks alright for a domed stadium but it's not really that special.

I'd forgotten how odd and ugly Candlestick Park looks when in football mode especially from the aerial provided in this thread. It's definitely suited to baseball as there's not one stand that runs parallel with either sideline or endzone. I think it's time for a new purpose built football stadium in San Francisco...

btw...will LA ever have a pro football team again?

Well done on making the thread.

It must of taken you a while.....so here is me awarding your hardwork by posting a comment.


Best Three - Reliant Stadium, Mile High, Soldier Field

Honourable Mentions - Ford Field, Gillette Stadium, Bank of America Stadium

Worst 3 - Giants Stadium, Candlestick Park, Heinz Field

The NFL stadia in California looks quite bad compared to the rest of the country...

Best: Arrowhead, Lincoln Financial Field, Qwest Field

Honorale Mentions: Gillette Stadium, Ford Field, Heinz Field

Worst: Texas Stadium, Gerogia Dome, FedEx Field

The Dallas Cowboys(America's Team :) ) will be getting a new stadium in 2009 in the suburb of Arlington:rant:. It will be much much much better than the one they are in now.

Best: Arrowhead, Lincoln Financial Field, Qwest Field

Honorale Mentions: Gillette Stadium, Ford Field, Heinz Field

Worst: Texas Stadium, Gerogia Dome, FedEx Field
Are you on crack? How is FedEx Field one of the worst stadiums in the NFL. If anything it is one of the best.

^ FedEx was rushed because JKC wanted to see it before he died so some corners were cut.

Dan Pompei of TSN: rating the 31 NFL stadiums (http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=10830)

TSN rates FedEx Field at #26