Who is JKC?

Are you on crack? How is FedEx Field one of the worst stadiums in the NFL. If anything it is one of the best.


Because it reminds me of a corporate toilet bowl. The Club Level is nice, but it doesn't make up for the rest of the stadium.

The stadium is one of the largest(92,000 I think) and has one of the best atmospheres but it doesn't look as nice as some of the other new stadiums(Reliant, Soldier, Seahawks etc....)

Who is JKC?

Jack Kent Cooke

Qualcomm is a very ugly facility. Its very effecient, but sooo unattractive. They where going to tear it down and replace that massive parking lot around it into a new stadium and urban village....but thats fallen through. So they're either going to be putting the Chargers somewere else in the county (not the city, no room), or they'll just be shipped to LA...or San Antonio. But I'd be damned if they go their.

Dan Pompei of TSN: rating the 31 NFL stadiums (http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=10830)

TSN rates FedEx Field at #26
^^Good read...thanks for the link Sounder

I can't say I disagree too much with Dan Pompei's article except I'd have Invesco Field a lot higher than 14 and for all of FedEx Field's shortcomings, a 90,000 seater stadium deserves better than 26.

ps...I think he's spot on with his appraisal of Atlanta's Georgia Dome.

well, at just over $500 a ticket, FACE VALUE, i cant really see too many commoners really making the trip to Detroit (especially Detroit) for the game. It would cost thousands to get a flight, hotel, ticket (scalped), food, booze, and souveniers, so this thing really is built for the corporate heads, as shite as that sounds. Many people would rather use the money on a HiDef DLP widescreen or something and have a huge party. I remember my dad used to come home every January with a new Big Screen TV back in the early 90s when the Dallas Cowboys were tearing shit up in the SuperBowl. I think its more traditional to have a big party than to try to attend the game.

In 2 years, the SB is in Glendale, AZ (new Cardinals Stadium) and i have no desire to attend, even if it is the Cowboys playing. I think they said face value for those tix will be $575.
Are the $500 tickets the cheapest tickets? £250+ is a rip off. For the League cup final (english league cup football)the cheapest tickets are £36 with the most expensive over £70($125).

^^This is one of the things I don't like about the Super Bowl. Too many CEO's and corporate big-shots at the game, and not enonough real, hard-core fans. It deminishes the atmosphere

The same is true to some degree at the FA cup final although the tickets are quite a bit cheaper. The best atmosphere of any English game is normally the division one/championship playoff final IMHO, even more so at the new Wembley I'd guess(if the clubs involved have a big enough following to fill it) since the lease seating does not include the playoffs.

Looks alright for a domed stadium but it's not really that special.

not that special compared to what?

All I'm saying is that I've seen better. The outside and inside both down wow me.

^ FedEx was rushed because JKC wanted to see it before he died so some corners were cut.

Dan Pompei of TSN: rating the 31 NFL stadiums (http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=10830)

TSN rates FedEx Field at #26
Well if TSN says it then it must be right..................... :sleepy:

The stadium is amazing. 92,000 seats, beutiful club level, great views from anywhere in the stadium, all kinds of shops, restaurants for fans to go to before, during, after the game. The only negative aspect of FedEx is that it is built in the middle of nowhere, but so are a lot of NFL stadiums.

There is no way stadiums like Ralph Wilson Stadium, Giants Stadium, Sun Devil Stadium, The Coliseum(Nashville), RCA Dome, Edward Jones Dome, are better than FedEx.

Fed Ex maybe big.But it is not loud. Even Redskin fans would agree with me on that. Compared to Aarowhead, Invesco, Rich Stadium. The stadium is quiet. In fact, its as loud as Texas Stadium. BTW, Dallas will be moving into a new stadium in about 3 years.

holy crap.. Candlestick Park looks like it's being torn apart by a glitch in the Matrix..

was it originally supposed to be a baseball diamond? you'd think an NFL team would be able to build its own stadium.. it seems like each team has a new 40 billion dollar stadium every 6 months

holy smokes. if the internet was around in the 40s, this is what it would look like.

yup gotta agree with that, what a stupid thing to say BobDaBuilder, anyway just wondering how many seats in Ford Field? i wouldn't have guessed 72,000 if thats the minimum for a superbowl!

how do they decide which city gets the superbowl? do they bid (like the olympics) or is a rotational situation where everyone eventually gets a turn, or is there some politically-charged money situation goin on (i.e build a new stadium in Anytown, USA and we'll give you a superbowl in 10 years for your trouble?)

gotta say Ford Field looks 10,000 times better than Jacksonville last year, that place looked like an absolute dump!

All I'm saying is that I've seen better. The outside and inside both down wow me.

Show them. I'm talking about indoor stadiums. My point was that Ford is different looking than other indoor stadiums. Different style roof, more light, super spacious interior. There's nothing like it.

how do they decide which city gets the superbowl? do they bid (like the olympics) or is a rotational situation where everyone eventually gets a turn, or is there some politically-charged money situation goin on (i.e build a new stadium in Anytown, USA and we'll give you a superbowl in 10 years for your trouble?)

I wouldn't call it a bid in the sense that the city is offering the NFL money. Its more like there are minimum standards(stadium size, weather situation or dome, hotel rooms, etc). Eligible cities or teams submit a desire to host in the form of a formal petition to the NFL commissioner. New stadiums usually get a Superbowl promise if they meet the requirements and desire to do so. Other stadiums can win bids though. The biggest factors by far are new stadiums and past success in hosting. The NFL is all about business. They know how to get new stadiums out of a city. Truth be told, economically, if a city has the means to hold the events of the weekend in the city itself, then a stadium might be worth it. Houston is a great example of a successful Superbowl. Dallas and Phoenix on the otherhand don't look like they will have the same success. Both have suburban stadiums under construction that suburban cities outbid their host cities for the right to build. Neither of those suburban cities can come anywhere near hosting what they need to recoupe such huge monies. Dallas for example, has a huge amount of hotels, nightlife, entertainment areas and convention space. Arlington will be hard pressed to keep many of the Superbowl visitors in their city limits. Meanwhile they are paying a huge price for a stadium that will benefit Dallas and even Ft Worth moreso than it ever could in Arlington. But hey, the NFL got their new stadium.

Show them. I'm talking about indoor stadiums. My point was that Ford is different looking than other indoor stadiums. Different style roof, more light, super spacious interior. There's nothing like it.

Ford Field is different alright, but that doesn't make it better IMO.

what about it isn't better?

Bad sightlines?
Cramped seating?
Too much natural daylight?
Too large of a concourse that is too organized?
Fans too close to the action?
Video screens are too large or too wide?
The downtown location is too close to downtown?
The luxury suites that don't disturb the rest of the bowl disturb it too much?

I'd contend its one of the best and most well thought out non-baseball stadium ever.

what about it isn't better?

Bad sightlines?
Cramped seating?
Too much natural daylight?
Too large of a concourse that is too organized?
Fans too close to the action?
Video screens are too large or too wide?
The downtown location is too close to downtown?
The luxury suites that don't disturb the rest of the bowl disturb it too much?

I'd contend its one of the best and most well thought out non-baseball stadium ever.
well said

I like the inside. Not a big fan of the classic brick outside look though. Looks like a good venue for the Superbowl. I hope some Dutch channel will air it, they usually do ;) Go Steelers!

ugggllyyy field......GO SEAHAWKS!!

I like it personally, much more character than your typical indoor stadium without being gimmicky ala the new Colts stadium. Why did they reduce the capacity from the Silverdome though?

Fed Ex maybe big.But it is not loud. Even Redskin fans would agree with me on that. Compared to Aarowhead, Invesco, Rich Stadium. The stadium is quiet.

It isnt the loudest stadium in the NFL but it is definantly up there . The stadium gets extremly loud, until you have been to a game there you dont really have an idea.

Well I guess I would have to attend there to see. But from many redskin fans I know that has been to numerous games. They said the crowd is big but is nto really loud. They say it's nothing compared to KC and Buffalo and those are much smaller stadiums.

What would be the proportion of supporters attending the match that actually support the two competing clubs? Or is it mainly the "theatre goer" set.

BTW there is a soup kitchen in Melbourne called "Supa Bowl".


I want to say (could be wrong on the exact numbers here) that something like 25% of tickets are allocated to ones teams fans, 25% to the other, 25% for NFL fans at random, and 25% for corperations, media, and big wigs with general ties to the teams or the league.

Well I guess I would have to attend there to see. But from many redskin fans I know that has been to numerous games. They said the crowd is big but is nto really loud. They say it's nothing compared to KC and Buffalo and those are much smaller stadiums.
Its hard to get the stadium to be loud when the team is usually finishing the season 5-11 or 6-10. This year waas very different than others.

Good work, nice thread

Neyland stadium home to some of the most rabid sports fans in america

Seat aroun 105,000

http://members.aol.com/ke4sdj/stadium.jpg

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/tenn/genrel/fac/neylanddiagram/ZZ11-ZZ12.jpg

http://www.collegegridirons.com/sec/images/neyland151.jpg

It ain't Neyland Without this

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/23/236230.jpg

Here the teams logo (Upside down)

http://leap-year.tripod.com/home-neyland.gif

105 000? :eek2:

there have not no, so great arena in Poland!

we welcome in scc

Crazy US college stadiums...even crazier fans.

Crazy US college stadiums...even crazier fans.

Wait until you hear the "fight song," Rocky Top!

Great stadium, but it didnt help the Tennessee much this year. They were the biggest busts in college football.

So orange… that was my high school color too ;) (orange and gray actually)

Dumb question, but I’ll give it a try (don’t hate)

Why don’t they build roofs over stadiums in US?

Its hard to get the stadium to be loud when the team is usually finishing the season 5-11 or 6-10. This year waas very different than others.


True, but they went to games THIS year though. I guess I can see your point as well as theres.

Well where I live I have one of only two stadium in America larger than Neyland about 2 minutes from my house

State College, PA
Beaver Stadium "Happy Valley"
http://naproom.mu.nu/pics/beaver-stadium-lg.jpg

2nd Largest stadium in the nation, 110,753
The whiteout against OSU
http://gallery.gopsusports.com/Images/Gallery/football/2005-10-08/aerial1sm.jpg

ESPN College GameDay at Happy Valley
http://gallery.gopsusports.com/Images/Gallery/football/2005-10-08/2sm.jpg

Zombia Nation
http://gallery.gopsusports.com/Images/Gallery/football/2005-10-08/WhiteOut.jpg

http://gallery.gopsusports.com/Images/Gallery/football/2005-10-08/WhiteOut2.jpg

The Lion's 4thqtr performance
http://gallery.gopsusports.com/Images/Gallery/football/2005-10-08/TheLionsHammeredtheBuckeyes.jpg
In the last 2 weeks he has performed "Thriller" and the Napoleon Dynamite dance

http://gallery.gopsusports.com/Images/Gallery/football/2005-11-05/fans3.jpg

Beaver Canyon always the seen of celebration (has also hosted 2 riots)
http://blogs.centredaily.com/photos/uncategorized/img_2434.JPG

Paternoville is the tent city where students camp out to get in the front row for the student section when the gates open (Joe Paterno shows up with pizza's to feed the kids)
http://blogs.centredaily.com/photos/uncategorized/img_2078.JPG

http://live.psu.edu/still_life/2005_10_31_paternoville/images/01paternoville_3201.jpg

http://image61.webshots.com/61/0/69/73/473706973XBHTYi_ph.jpg

Players vistit after practice
http://image52.webshots.com/52/0/69/84/473706984HyaeQp_ph.jpg

Media loves it
http://image64.webshots.com/64/0/98/57/473709857rERhGC_ph.jpg

Running down the streets of downtown State College
http://blogs.centredaily.com/photos/uncategorized/img_2398.JPG

Voted #1 Tailgating in the Nation by Sports Illustrated
http://live.psu.edu/still_life/2005_09_10_tailgates/images/01tailgate_2931.jpg

http://slog.cstv.com/pennstate/osu_tailgate2small-thumb.JPG

http://mtimages.collegesports.com/pennstate/Carl%2520Tailgate-thumb.jpg

Also the #3 team in the country
http://mtimages.collegesports.com/pennstate/osu_post_lindsay-thumb.jpg

http://www.alexanderbuilding.com/images/gallery_images/51BeaverStadium.jpg

Dave welcome to the forum

Check out our College FB stadium thread
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=286428

Maybe not the best stadium to host the superbowl.

But it's nice to see the game taking place up north.

I like this stadium because of the huge open entrance.


I like the exterior...brick...very different for US stadiums.

Basically to host the superbowl in the north, you have to have a dome. That said, Ford Field is easily the best domed stadium in North America. Hence they received this year's superbowl.

I've been there twice and it is indeed a fantastic stadium. I've sat in the lower bowl and the upper bowl and the sightlines were probably the best out of any stadium I've ever been to. Too bad the Lions suck and the stadium is usually 1/4 filled with the other team's fans.

LA has plenty of stadiums and arenas. Tell me what you think of them.

Staples Center. Home of the LA Lakers, Clippers, Kings, Sparks, Avengers, The Grammy Awards, tennis matches, and countless concerts. Probably the most versitle arena in the US.
http://www.arcmachines.com/NewMedia/staples03.jpg
http://www.soulofamerica.com/images2/photosca2/Staples_Center_aerial.jpg
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/7/7a/350px-Staplescenterlosangeles.jpg
http://www.nba.com/media/lakers/sect.205.jpg

LA Coliseum. Hosted 2 Olympics, 1 World Series and I think 3 Super Bowls. Home of the USC Trojans.
http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/past/lacol101.jpg
http://www.doubledogmusic.com/baseball/Space_Ghosts/los_angeles_coliseum.jpg
http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/past/lamem4.jpg

Dodger Stadium.. probably the best baseball stadium in the US. Home of the LA Dodgers.
http://www.skylinepictures.com/LA_-_DODGER_STADIUMf.JPG
http://www.zimfamilycockers.com/DodgerStadium.jpg
http://www.ballparkwatch.com/images/la_dodgers/IMGP1780_med.jpg

The Rose Bowl. Home of..well..The Rose Bowl. As well as the UCLA Bruins.
http://www.fussballtempel.net/concacaf/USA/Rose_Bowl.jpg
http://www-scf.usc.edu/~graceson/rose%20bowl.jpg
http://www.lvaa.net/i/rose-bowl-large.jpg

Angel Stadium. Home of the LA Angeles of Anaheim.
http://www.ballparks.com/baseball/american/anahei70.jpg
http://www.ballparkwatch.com/images/la_angels/angel_stadium_5_med.jpg
http://www.ballparkwatch.com/images/la_angels/angel_stadium_12_med.jpg

Home Depot Center..home of the LA Galaxy and Chivas USA
http://www.klinsmann.us/images/pic_galaxy4.jpg
http://www.sportsvenue-technology.com/projects/home_depot/images/galaxy02.jpg

Arrowhead Pond...home of the Anaheim Mighty Ducks
http://www.vanguard.edu/uploadedImages/PR/vtour/pond.jpg
http://www.absolutestockphoto.com/albums/userpics/10012/normal_Absolute_12_559.jpg
http://sportsposterwarehouse.com/warehouse/mightyducks03ei-d-1.jpg

LA Sports Arena..home of the USC Trojans
http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/sports/images/hockey/pc-l11-losangeles.JPG
http://sjisasillyboy.tripod.com/tour/Arena31.jpg

Galen Center..new home of the USC Trojans
http://www.uschoops.com/photos/galencenter/galenarenagenerator.jpg
http://www.uschoops.com/photos/galencenter/galengen2.jpg
http://www.ocregister.com/newsimages/sports/2005/08/081705galen.jpg

Great Western Forum..former home of Lakers, Kings, and Sparks. Now a church.
http://www.you-are-here.com/buildings/forum.jpg

Let's not forget Pauley Pavilion, home to UCLA's basketball team
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucla/facilities/pauley-pavilion1-lg.jpg

Let's not forget Pauley Pavilion, home to UCLA's basketball team
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucla/facilities/pauley-pavilion1-lg.jpg

Seriously, how could anyone forget Pauley Pavilion, home of like 12 NCAA basketball championships!

All I have to say is that you'll can do better on the football stadium.......

These are good pics.
But I don't like any venue of LA.

Nice stadiums and arenas of LA, but some of them got to be repaired or need reconstruction.

LA Coliseum and the Rose Bowl are classic stadiums. They are more like monuments than stadiums!! I remember a film where a sniper was popping off people in the crowd, anybody remember the name of the film?

http://www.lacoliseum.com/content/1/home/coliseumtitle.jpg

LA Coliseum and the Rose Bowl are classic stadiums. They are more like monuments than stadiums!! I remember a film where a sniper was popping off people in the crowd, anybody remember the name of the film?

http://www.lacoliseum.com/content/1/home/coliseumtitle.jpg

Wasn't it the latest Die Hard film with Bruce Willis and Samuel L. Jackson?

Wasn't it the latest Die Hard film with Bruce Willis and Samuel L. Jackson?

Only if it's a remake.

I've seen the film bubomb referst to and I'd say it was more of a 1970's effort.

Sorry, of course the latest Die Hard film was shot in New York, not LA. It was Yankee Stadium, not Rose Bowl.

Black Sunday? But I think that was in Florida...

Yes, it was a 70's movie. I've found out that it is called "Two-Minute Warning" -

http://movies2.nytimes.com/gst/movies/movie.html?v_id=51401

Trailer -

http://movies2.nytimes.com/gst/movies/trailer.html?pop=y&mtype=real&quality=low&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2etotaleclips%2ecom%2fPlayer%2fBounce%2easpx%3feclipid%3dE13540%26amp%3bbitrateid%3d5%26amp%3bvendorid%3d225&title=Two-Minute%20Warning

Dodger Stadium definitely isn't the best ballpark in the US.

I could have went to a Lakers game back in 2001 when I was in LA, but it was the playoffs and they tend to sellout a lot of times.

Threehundred, do you know the name of all the NBA Arenas and its capacities?

The LA Coliseum looks magnificent, have there been any recent upgrades or are any planned?

Yet no NFL team :rofl:

Yet no NFL team :rofl:

Meh..the Trojans will hold out until 2010. ;)

Back in 1999, there was a plan to remodel the Coliseum for a NFL team. Once the NFL gave the team to Houston, that plan went away.

http://www.modelworksinc.com/mw/coluseum.jpg
http://football.ballparks.com/NCAA/Pac10/USC/newinterior.jpg

There was also a plan to remodel the Rose Bowl.
http://www.lvaa.net/i/rose-bowl-sketch.jpg

Wow, I've never seen those

btw the Trojans time is done

Why do baseball stadiums usually not have the stands continuing all the way around the field?

^ Because A) no one wants to see the backs of the players, and B) it's incredibly distracting to the players.

LA Coliseum and the Rose Bowl are classic stadiums. They are more like monuments than stadiums!! I remember a film where a sniper was popping off people in the crowd, anybody remember the name of the film?

One of the seasons of 24 (Day Three?) also climaxed at the Coliseum...

Wasn't it The Last Boy Scout with Bruce Willis?

Why do baseball stadiums usually not have the stands continuing all the way around the field?Most of the action happens near home plate, so you want to be near there. Most new stadium today have stands stretching all the way around the field, but back in the 60s and 70s, they just stacked them up high. Shea Stadium is the same way.

Trojans time is not over. They've out recruited everyone by a wide margin for the past couple of years. They may not be the greatest next year, but they'll be just fine.

One of the seasons of 24 (Day Three?) also climaxed at the Coliseum...


was season 2..i have it on dvd.! and ilove that part!. :)

We almost made it this year, but maybe next year. Anyway in '08 we shall have our brand new stadium, which will seet around 70,000 people, and hopefully we will get to host a superbowl.

Name: Colts Stadium
-Location: Indianapolis, IN
-Tenant: Indianapolis Colts
-Capacity: 63,000
-Surface: Fieldturf
-Construction Begins: August 2005
-Opening: August 2008
-Cost: $625 Million
-Architect: HKS Sports & Entertainment Group
-Ground Broken for New Colts Stadium
-Stadium rate gamble for doesn't pay off; Colts owner opposes ticket tax
-Governor Signs Bill For Colts Stadium
-Stadium hailed as big catch for area
-Colts stadium next steps
-Stadium wins, 108-36
-CIB expects Colts to sign stadium lease within the month

http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/future/colts100.jpg

http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/future/colts102.jpg
Converted for the NCAA!

http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/future/colts103.jpg
At night!

This will be beutiful, and I can not wait for it to be built! What do you guys think?

^^
I'd hate to be sitting up the back there for a basketball match!! lol Nice stadium though. :)

^ Because A) no one wants to see the backs of the players, and B) it's incredibly distracting to the players.
Cricket is played with grandstands all the way around the stadium!! Thanks for the reply though, also thanks to scba! :)

There are stands all around a baseball field. Many in different places. Some areas stacked more than others. Please o please stop this ridiculousness.

There's already a thread for this.

I don't think anyone's being ridiculous, just asking questions.

yes they are. This has been talked about on this board for years

So whos better the dodgers or the angels?

The Rose Bowl. Home of..well..The Rose Bowl. As well as the UCLA Bruins.
http://www.fussballtempel.net/concacaf/USA/Rose_Bowl.jpg
http://www-scf.usc.edu/~graceson/rose%20bowl.jpg
http://www.lvaa.net/i/rose-bowl-large.jpg



Also known as, "The house that Vince owns"

yes they are. This has been talked about on this board for years


I can't see anything ridiculous about these genuine questions!! You have to remember that most people in Europe couldn't name a single Baseball player in the entire history of Baseball, and the game is virtually unknown in Europe, so these questions are perfectly normal questions for someone from Europe to ask!!

So whos better the dodgers or the angels?

The Angels. The Dodgers arent going to be overly impessive this year...at least I hope.

I can't see anything ridiculous about these genuine questions!! You have to remember that most people in Europe couldn't name a single Baseball player in the entire history of Baseball, and the game is virtually unknown in Europe, so these questions are perfectly normal questions for someone from Europe to ask!!

of course, when its been discussed to death.

of course, when its been discussed to death.

but the person asking the question might be a new user or might have never read previous posts about Baseball stadiums!! I've been here a while and I haven't seen the topic discussed before!!

Talking about new questions - why haven't most American stadiums got any roofs? I'm surprised they can't afford to put roofs on these large stadiums!!

Trojans time is not over. They've out recruited everyone by a wide margin for the past couple of years. They may not be the greatest next year, but they'll be just fine.

No doubt their a top program, just assumed a USC fan would be thinking a National Championship

The Rose Bowl. Home of..well..The Rose Bowl. As well as the UCLA Bruins.
http://www.fussballtempel.net/concacaf/USA/Rose_Bowl.jpg
http://www-scf.usc.edu/~graceson/rose%20bowl.jpg
http://www.lvaa.net/i/rose-bowl-large.jpg



Remember that the Rose Bowl also hosted back in 1994 the final game of a "little tiny tournement" that somebody calls it FIFA World Cup. That has far more importance that all the rose bowl games, super bowls, etc, combined.

BTW I was there at the first two games.

Remember that the Rose Bowl also hosted back in 1994 the final game of a "little tiny tournement" that somebody calls it FIFA World Cup. That has far more importance that all the rose bowl games, super bowls, etc, combined.

BTW I was there at the first two games.

I'm a soccer lover to the core, but that WC final was dull as dull gets and probably ranks outside the top 20 of "most important games ever played in the Rose Bowl". Hell, the USA-Columbia game outranks the significance of that WC final if you really put it in perspective ... and i attended the match of the WC in Brazil-Holland at the Cotton Bowl in Dallas. Holy smokes, that was great.

BTW, anyone have any pics of the Rose Bowl during WC '94?

I'm a soccer lover to the core, but that WC final was dull as dull gets and probably ranks outside the top 20 of "most important games ever played in the Rose Bowl". Hell, the USA-Columbia game outranks the significance of that WC final if you really put it in perspective ... and i attended the match of the WC in Brazil-Holland at the Cotton Bowl in Dallas. Holy smokes, that was great.

BTW, anyone have any pics of the Rose Bowl during WC '94?

Wrong i'm afraid. From a World perspective, the World Cup final is the most important game EVER played at the Rose Bowl!!

I can't think of a more important sport event played there (please remember that the Super Bowl means nothing to 90% of the World's population). There is no bigger event than the World Cup final (even if it was a boring final)!!

i read somewhere that the superbowl final gets about 500million viewers world wide, the world cup final gets about 3billion.

on a global scale the world cup final is by far the most important thing the rose bowl has ever staged, the only way the rose bowl can top it is if it gets to host the final again.

I'm a soccer lover to the core, but that WC final was dull as dull gets and probably ranks outside the top 20 of "most important games ever played in the Rose Bowl". Hell, the USA-Columbia game outranks the significance of that WC final if you really put it in perspective ... and i attended the match of the WC in Brazil-Holland at the Cotton Bowl in Dallas. Holy smokes, that was great.

BTW, anyone have any pics of the Rose Bowl during WC '94?

http://www.skypic.com/sports/11-5556.jpg

http://www.skypic.com/sports/4-5555.jpg

http://www.homesoffootball.co.uk/1481_USA.jpg

http://www.homesoffootball.co.uk/1480_USA.jpg

http://netpassport-wc.netpassport.or.jp/~wtphoto/94USA-RoseBowl.jpg

Wrong i'm afraid. From a World perspective, the World Cup final is the most important game EVER played at the Rose Bowl!!

I can't think of a more important sport event played there (please remember that the Super Bowl means nothing to 90% of the World's population). There is no bigger event than the World Cup final (even if it was a boring final)!!


explain to me why it was so important to the legendary status of The Rose Bowl. In historical terms, it came years and years after the RB became known as the "Grandaddy of Them All". Its considered largely Americana, and a source of tremendous pride for Angelenos, Californians, and Americans. Its kinda like 'our' Wembley, where everyone dreams of playing as a kid.

I stick to my point, that the WC final is not of top 20 significance as far as games played in the RB in relation to its status as "The Grandaddy". USA-Columbia would fall somewhere between 15-20 in terms of rank. One could even argue that the Women's WC final in 1999 would be a top-10 event, as it was was the most-attended women's sports event in history, with an official attendance of 90,185. This one game alone made great strides for the marketability of women's sports worldwide.


Yes, all of us on here realize soccer's audience .. you all beat that point to death ... but in terms of the status of the stadium, it has left little mark.

There's no way that 3 billion people watched the World Cup final. That's darn close to half of the entire world.

I don't know if we had more than the exterior of the press box. They have a site on the renovation of Stanford's (American) football stadium. Here's some of the pictures:
http://www.stanfordstadium.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/StadiumModel071505_07-lg.jpg
http://www.stanfordstadium.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/StadiumModel071505_04-lg.jpg
http://www.stanfordstadium.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/Plans060705_01-lg.jpg
Looks okay. This means the Cardinal (no, I'm not missing an s) track and field team needs a new venue to call home.

I've went to the old Stanford Stadium once, and had a great time. That was truly a unique setting .... with the Redwoods peeking out over the stadium top, the fog rolling in as night fell, and those oooold wooden benches.

My team lost, but that was a great trip.

This new stadium looks great because its modern, but IMO, cant match up to the atmosphere of the old one.

Edit: Looking it over again, it kinda resembles a scaled down version of Sun Devil Stadium. That lower bowl is short, but overall, the stands appear steep. If they can fill that thing up, it could be intimidating the way the upper deck seems to be perched atop the field.

explain to me why it was so important to the legendary status of The Rose Bowl. In historical terms, it came years and years after the RB became known as the "Grandaddy of Them All". Its considered largely Americana, and a source of tremendous pride for Angelenos, Californians, and Americans. Its kinda like 'our' Wembley, where everyone dreams of playing as a kid.

I stick to my point, that the WC final is not of top 20 significance as far as games played in the RB in relation to its status as "The Grandaddy". USA-Columbia would fall somewhere between 15-20 in terms of rank. One could even argue that the Women's WC final in 1999 would be a top-10 event, as it was was the most-attended women's sports event in history, with an official attendance of 90,185. This one game alone made great strides for the marketability of women's sports worldwide.


Yes, all of us on here realize soccer's audience .. you all beat that point to death ... but in terms of the status of the stadium, it has left little mark.

Again, you are only seeing things from an American perspective!! I'm sure the 94 World Cup final wasn't nearly the biggest event at the Rose Bowl for Americans, but Worldwide, most people had never heard of the Rose Bowl until the 94 World Cup final was played there (including me). Worldwide nobody knows it is called the "The Grandaddy" in the USA. Worldwide the Rose Bowl is known for one single reason - the 94 World Cup final!!

You have to try and understand that outside of America, the Super Bowl games and the big college games played at the Rose Bowl mean next to nothing!!

The 94 World Cup final has left a massive mark on the stadium, as now people around the world know what the Rose Bowl is!! Before 94 they wouldn't have had a clue what you were talking about!!

There's no way that 3 billion people watched the World Cup final. That's darn close to half of the entire world.

It's the World Cup final man!! Of course half the world watches it!! It's the biggest sports event in the world!!

There are stands all around a baseball field. Many in different places. Some areas stacked more than others. Please o please stop this ridiculousness.
Get over it mate. I was just asking why baseball stadiums rarely had the same stands all the way around. It's something that i have always wondered about. It wasn't meant to ruffle anyones feathers, sorry if i offended you!!!

It's about that time in the U.S. The brackets are about to come out. March Madness is about to happen. So, to commemorate, I'll put up the venues for the 1st two rounds.

Opening round:
University of Dayton Arena: Dayton, Ohio
http://www.daytoncvb.com/images/ud_arena.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/ohio/dayton_arena.jpg

Thrusday/Saturday Venues:
Greensboro Coliseum: Greensboro, NC
http://www.coasttocoasttickets.com/images/GreensboroColiseumEndStage_pic.jpg

Jacksonville Veterans Memorial Arena: Jacksonville, FL
http://www.rashba.com/arch/corp/img/veterans_memorial.jpg
http://www.barco.com/projection_systems/images/Jacksonville_Arena_l.jpg

Jon M. Huntsman Center: Salt Lake City, UT
http://img.groundspeak.com/benchmark/lg/46303_100.jpg

Cox Arena: San Diego, CA
http://bfa.sdsu.edu/fpm/pp11b.jpg
http://www.cox-arena.com/IMAGES2/Arena-int2.JPG

Friday/Sunday Venues:
University of Dayton Arena: Dayton, OH
See Above

Wachovia Center: Philadelphia, PA
http://www.thesportsroadtrip.com/philadelphia182.jpg
http://www.nba.com/media/sixers/wachovia_center_ext_300.jpg

American Airlines Center: Dallas, TX
http://www.thedallasmavericks.com/web_images/aac_view_corner.jpg
http://www.nba.com/media/mavericks/arenashot.jpg

Palace of Aubrn Hills: Auburn Hills, MI
http://www.palacenet.com/images/online/PalaceNight1024768.jpg
http://www.rossetti.com/sports/img/palace_1.jpg
(The Palace have a new scoreboad; sorry about the old photo.)

By next Thursday, I'll put up the venues for the regional semifinals and finals.

Nice pics. I can't wait for the tournament... let the Madness begin!!

Amen, why so many crappy arenas for the 1st round????

You only need 12,000 seats for the 1st two rounds. Some collegiate arena qualify. It gets toughfer for the next 2 rounds, which needs at least 18,000 seats.

The former Montreal Expos have announce renderings of the new ballpark. I will warn you: If you're into retro parks, Look AWAY!!!

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/8919/nats17fj.png
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/6476/nats24hr.png
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/5237/nats30tg.png
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/6892/nats47kx.png

It looks different. I'm not too thrilled. Comments?

Here's a link:

Nationals announce new ballpark plans (http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060313&content_id=1348677&vkey=news_was&fext=.jsp&c_id=was)

There's more photos, but I can't extract them from a Flash presentation.

thank god, finally we're geting rid of retro ball parks

I like it. I'm soooo friggen sick of retro parks. They all try to look different but just end up being the same thing. Minute Maid Park in Houston with the train, the flagpole that is in play, and the outfield hill (honestly, wtf??) pretty much started my hatred for retro parks. I like Camden Yards and Jacob's Field but after that everyone started jumping on the bandwagon and many of them just end up looking rediculous. Good to see that the Nationals aren't going in that direction. Start the anti-retro movement!

Its about damned time!! I like it. I love the interaction between the stadium and the pedestrian/street level on what appears to be all sides. If executed right, this could turn out to be gem. I'd like to see hi res renderings when theyre released to appreciate the style and details more but as of right now, I like it. Cant wait to catch some games on the occasions I come back to DC to visit home (in the city; I had to add that). Im def going to a NAT vs CUBS game. Hometown vs. New Home

I think the whole idea that there are a lot of retro parks is not true. Is Safeco Field really retro, or is it a super modern stadium that's fitting into its neighbhorhood? Places like PNC, SBC or Coors Field yes. Miller Park, no. Parks like Petco and GABP are even further from the idea of retro. This park most closely resembles GABP.

meh, it is ok. I do appreciate the fact they are trying to get away from the retro look. I like the retro look but we have enough of them that have come along the last 15 years. If the glass curtain is cool on the outside that could be real intreasting and cool.

Will the ballpark look out on to any monuments or anything? I like the fact they are building near the river (though it would have been cool if they could have built it facing towards the river). Also it looks like it is a dense neighborhood and will not have a lot of huge parking lots which would also be very cool.

All in all not bad. Not likely to be one of the best but will by far not be one of the worst.

Here is a virtual tour of the stadium. Its about a minute long.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2006/03/14/VI2006031401066.html

meh, it is ok. I do appreciate the fact they are trying to get away from the retro look. I like the retro look but we have enough of them that have come along the last 15 years. If the glass curtain is cool on the outside that could be real intreasting and cool.

Will the ballpark look out on to any monuments or anything? I like the fact they are building near the river (though it would have been cool if they could have built it facing towards the river). Also it looks like it is a dense neighborhood and will not have a lot of huge parking lots which would also be very cool.

All in all not bad. Not likely to be one of the best but will by far not be one of the worst.
The outfield will overlook the Capital in the distance.

I really like the stadium. I'm glad that we are starting to get away from retro parks.

The ballpark has great interior and exterior architecture. The only thing is that there's nothing that makes it really stand out from any other ball park. I dont see where somebody can point out something that this stadium has that others don't.

The stadium will also bring urban revitilization to a pretty run down section of D.C.

As an outsider who knows very little about baseball, I'm curious as to what is meant by retro-grounds, what style are they imitating, some sort of golden era in baseball arenas? Why does no-one like them?

This retro-themed parks stared with Oriole Park at Cadmen Yards, in Baltimore. I don't know why people are so upset.

As an outsider who knows very little about baseball, I'm curious as to what is meant by retro-grounds, what style are they imitating, some sort of golden era in baseball arenas? Why does no-one like them?


"Retro" ballparks are ballparks that look towards early 20th century ballparks as inspiration. In the 1960's (and somewhat in the 70's) ballparks were built that were huge, sterile, modern, enclosed, some bad sightlines, and were interchangeable looing with one another. In essence they lacked a lot of character or charm. Most also served as football stadiums as well which diminished the benefits of the stadium for both baseball and football.

These new retro parks emphasize character, comfort, views (from both inside the park and on to the field), charm (sometimes successful sometimes not), and quirky angles and other traits that many prewar era stadiums had (and that Wrigley Field and Fenway Park both have which are two of the oldest stadiums in baseball dating back to before WW1).

The outfield will overlook the Capital in the distance.

I really like the stadium. I'm glad that we are starting to get away from retro parks.

The ballpark has great interior and exterior architecture. The only thing is that there's nothing that makes it really stand out from any other ball park. I dont see where somebody can point out something that this stadium has that others don't.

The stadium will also bring urban revitilization to a pretty run down section of D.C.

I would disagree that nothing sets it apart. It and GABP are totally unique amongst modern baseball stadiums. I could add Comerica and Petco to that list as well. The exterior buildings are detached like those at GABP. It also shares the seating gaps that GABP does behind home plate. You also notice the switch from 4 tiers to 3 tiers to two tiers down the first base line. Very cool. What differentiates the most recent stadiums is also the roundness of the parks as opposed to the squarish parks of the 90s.

Great American Ballpark

http://www.imgcity.net/server/primary/C1.jpg

The Pittsburgh Penguins have a video that they shown in between periods at Mellon Arena of the new arena. Here's the link:

Pittsburgh Arena Video (http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/penguins/video/pghfirst-1.asx)

The only thing I dislike is that there's no hanging scoreboard. They have 4 large video screens in the corners.

Comments?

This retro-themed parks stared with Oriole Park at Cadmen Yards, in Baltimore. I don't know why people are so upset.

If its made out of Red Brick and looks sorta asymetrical, its a retro park. Its not too bad, theyre not eyesores than the do-nut stadiums of the 70s, which were concrete monstrosities built for football and baseball and stunk as both a football and baseball stadium. However, every team is getting one and theres nothing special about it, so when someone comes up with a something different thats still unique its nice. I like this new Nats stadium.

I hope for Mario's sake they get this thing done. It would surprise me if they did, however, becuase Station Square has the inside line on getting the slots deal - so I highly doubt that this will get done.

Are they going to try to attract an NBA team?

I can't wait to see the games on the italian TV :)

great tournament so far. Nice upset by Northwestern State over Iowa on a buzzer beating 3-pointer.

American Airlines Center is the best arena in the tournament and the country for that matter

Since we are talking about NBA teams in Europe...would it at all be possible for an American team in one of your highly touted Euro leauges? I am sure a land of 300 million can put together a team that is at least competitive with those in Europe? Maybe a team in NYC, Miami, Chicago, or D.C.? Manchester United and Real Madrid got crowds upwards to around 60,000 in Chicago.

I read something somewhere that European soccer is more popular and more watched in America than the MLS is.

So which league would they then join? IMO such proposal would make little to no sense since we also have relegation in European leagues, so they wouldn't even be assured a couple of games against teams like Barca, Arsenal or Bayern.

MLS teams playing the in the Champs League would I'd guess be pushed for by some if the league were to become more sucessful although the Copa Libertadores would probabley be much easier for them to enter considering Mexican teams do already.

The only thing I can see happening is the the MLS being entered into the Champions league but that will never happen unless football becomes very very popular in the USA. They could never just enter into a league over here because each country has its own leagues in which only teams from the country can enter.

They wouldn't go in to the champions league. They can be included in the World Club Cup I suppose.... perhaps have some sort of North America qualifying competition. The european champions league is run by UEFA for european clubs. Each country has it's own FA and has its own competitions. FIFA run the world club cup since they are the world governing body. Friendlies..... yes. Entry in to the leagues or competitions.... no.

Since we are talking about NBA teams in Europe...would it at all be possible for an American team in one of your highly touted Euro leauges? I am sure a land of 300 million can put together a team that is at least competitive with those in Europe? Maybe a team in NYC, Miami, Chicago, or D.C.? Manchester United and Real Madrid got crowds upwards to around 60,000 in Chicago.

I read something somewhere that European soccer is more popular and more watched in America than the MLS is.

No they couldn't, same as our best basketballteam never has a chance against your weakest team.

No they couldn't, same as our best basketballteam never has a chance against your weakest team.
I think it is different.
The one who would be more profitable? The MLS teams to the Champion's League or European basketball teams to the NBA?

I don't see the point, and there is something called the Atlantic... Who really want's that setup, I mean nobody in Europe. The MLS certainly wouldn't like the idea. The MLS should be allowed to build and work towards becoming as popular as the European Leagues. What would plunking an all-star team in the US do to the MLS? Nothing good I'm guessing.

NBA in Europe? I hate the idea of expanding all the time for the sake of getting bigger. You'd have to setup a whole division in Europe and have the teams play each other. I can't see teams traveling over an ocean and back every other week. Also, isn't there already some decent basketball leagues in Europe?

Just not a great idea in my opinion. :2cents:

South American teams aren't allowed in the Champions League so why should teams from the US? I'm afraid you could play each and every one of those 300 million at the same time, and they'd still struggle against the likes of Ronaldinho.

"Leagues apart"

If MLS teams should join an international competition, I think it's more rational for them to join the Copa Libertadores.

^^ south americans are mad enough that Mexican teams are in it already.

but yeah, it would be nice if the MLS champion gets a bid for the Libertadores.

MLS teams allready play in the Copa Sudamericana which is basically the UEFA cup of South America, so they could theoretically play in the Copa Lib in the future.

Since we are talking about NBA teams in Europe...would it at all be possible for an American team in one of your highly touted Euro leauges? I am sure a land of 300 million can put together a team that is at least competitive with those in Europe? Maybe a team in NYC, Miami, Chicago, or D.C.? Manchester United and Real Madrid got crowds upwards to around 60,000 in Chicago.

I read something somewhere that European soccer is more popular and more watched in America than the MLS is.
If DC United played in a meaningful Premeiership game against a team like Chelsea or Liverpool, DC United would lose 4-0.

Anyways, it wouldnt make sense putting US teams in like the English Premeirship or the Spanish La Liga because it would defeat the whole purpose of those leagues.

This is the thread for HP Pavillion i n San Jose home of NHL team San Jose Sharks

We'll see what happens when the G-14 teams leaves their "native leagues" and start their own league...

South American teams aren't allowed in the Champions League so why should teams from the US?

$$$$$$$$$

I can envisage a Champions League final in the USA one day or Juventus playing a home fixture in New York.

If football/soccer were to become massively popular in the US then I'm sure UEFA would be after a peice of that, whether FIFA would try and spot them or not is another matter I spose.

We'll see what happens when the G-14 teams leaves their "native leagues" and start their own league...

which they will never do. Their bluff should be called.

which they will never do. Their bluff should be called.

I would not be surprised if they do. Nevertheless, in that case, we could see a even bigger stadia boom in Europe (especially outside of England, Germany, France, Spain and Italy), like the one the U.S have had.

We'll see what happens when the G-14 teams leaves their "native leagues" and start their own league...
United have said they wont be going near such a league.

Time will tell :)

The other thing is that american teams aren't clubs but franchises and have I guess less freedom. The MLS runs the teams more that the owners. I don't know if the MLS would even let teams enter a tournament across the pond.

Israeli teams are allowed to play in the Champions League so I don't see why not.

I can envisage a Champions League final in the USA one day or Juventus playing a home fixture in New York.
What would be the point of that? it would not be the European champions league then.

Why don't you post some pictures so we know what ur talking about

It would be great if there were 6 almost equally talented continent-areas all fighting to produce the best team on the planet. The best teams from Oceana, Europe, Asia, Africa, North America and South America all in a superleague each year. Shame that only Europe and S. America tend to compete at the moment. Does North America even have a continental club competition like the Libertadores or our Champions League?

I'd agree with kingdomca, a euro super league is unlikely to happen due to the uncertainly such a breakaway would cause. I think most of the big clubs now realise that without their local rivarys and connection to the rest of the country their fans would start to lose interest aswell.

If US football does start to gain populatity I'd guess their will be a struggle between FIFA and UEFA on this very issue. As we've seen with recent world cups FIFA wants to build the games popularity outside europe(Germany and possible France were able to host agenst their wishes) because it fears UEFA's growing power as the champs league and european championships have grown in importance relative to the World Cup.

Don't forget that there is a lot of interest of these (G14) teams in countries like Sweden, Japan, USA, whatever, where the "local rivalry" isn't of as big interest as maybe in England or so.

The G14 league could also give an opportunity for countries like Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland, Austria, Belgium, Greece (well, all european countries except England, Germany, Spain, France and Italy) to have really good club football in their respective countries).

I remember last season, the LA Galaxy faced Manchester United for expo play.

This is even less likely to happen than NBA teams in Europe (which will never happen either). MLS teams in the Champions League is a pipe dream, let alone in EPL, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga, etc.

Does North America even have a continental club competition like the Libertadores or our Champions League?

Yep. The CONCACAF Champion's Cup.

Mexican teams DOMINATE the cup.

This years final is between two Mexican teams, America and Toluca.

Don't forget that there is a lot of interest of these (G14) teams in countries like Sweden, Japan, USA, whatever, where the "local rivalry" isn't of as big interest as maybe in England or so.

The G14 league could also give an opportunity for countries like Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland, Austria, Belgium, Greece (well, all european countries except England, Germany, Spain, France and Italy) to have really good club football in their respective countries).

These G14 clubs still make much more money from their domestic leagues than they do from european competition. If they created a euro league they would wave goodbye to most of their income in order to join something extremly speulative that might easily fail.

They would need many games to just make up the shortfall in income.
What should the format be?
One large 24 team league to get about the same number of games, but now most teams would be mid-table teams playing irrelevant games against opponents they dont really have any connections with. Watch the interest nosedive.
Group stages? what should the teams knocked out do for the remaining part of the season.

The G14 arent dumb enough to do this. What they want, especially the spanish and italian members, is to financially dominate their domestic leagues making it an easy money-making machine that also guarantees them access to europe.

Yup, Id really like to see 1-2 teams from the MLS in the Champs League.

One Euro bball team in the NBA playoffs could work but less likely.

Im not an MLS fan just because its just not of the quality of the Champions League and premiership and all that jazz. and its hard to follow European soccer due to the fact that live matches are on at strange hours and ESPN knows nothing about soccer. With American football, baseball and basketball, I can turn on the TV just about anytime and can usually find one of the three either being played or being talked about, but I have to search and seek out the few televised football matches that are on. I heard recently that ESPN was televising a match that was tape delayed an hour but on the ticker at the bottom of the screen, they had shown the final score of the game they were televising at the time. So fans in America were watching the game as if it was live and stupid ESPN flashes the final score while these fans were watching.

Anyway, I cant imagine MLS teams being able to compete in the CL, there isnt enough support for an entire league that would be competitive at that level, and the way the MLS is run is completely different. I guess you could have 1-2 superclubs that could leech on to a European like like the Premiership or the SPanish league (San Antonio, Texas used to have a CFL team), but I doubt current fans of those leagues would like it.

I will leave this job to be done by people who know it better than me :)
Or who live there.

American soccer teams are far worst than european teams.Europe is a class of its own.On the other hands there aren't much diferencies between top Euroleague clubs and NBA teams.

American soccer teams are far worst than european teams.Europe is a class of its own.On the other hands there aren't much diferencies between top Euroleague clubs and NBA teams.


I think that is likely nonsense.

There's only one way for MLS teams to reach Euro level and that is to enter in a club for the Champs league.

Im not too familiar with the Israeli league, but if they can be represented along with some of the Balkan counties, surely the MLS could.

I dont think an MLS team could get through the first round, but its a start.

The UEFA cup may be a more suitable start.

What would be the point of that? it would not be the European champions league then.

money

I'm just gonna type again what I said earlier cause some people dont seem to understand how things work.

Just for reference

F.A = Football Association
U.E.F.A = Union of European Football Associations
F.I.F.A = Federation of International Football Associations

Anyway.......



They wouldn't go in to the champions league. They can be included in the World Club Cup I suppose.... perhaps have some sort of North America qualifying competition. The european champions league is run by UEFA for european clubs. Each country has it's own FA and has its own competitions. FIFA run the world club cup since they are the world governing body. Friendlies..... yes. Entry in to the leagues or competitions.... no.

Oh.... and to add.... yes they do include some clubs from Asia such as Israeli, Turkish etc... that is plainly because they are right next door and have teams good enough to challenge in europe.... kinda like a few annexed F.A's

^^well Turkey is in Europe while Israel is mainly due to political purposes

American soccer teams are far worst than european teams.Europe is a class of its own.On the other hands there aren't much diferencies between top Euroleague clubs and NBA teams.

Are you kidding me? A Euroleague team would get blown out in an NBA game.

Are you kidding me? A Euroleague team would get blown out in an NBA game.
We will see it next summer ;)

Rome (Phoenix Suns vs Lottomatica)
Barcelona (Philadelphia 76ers vs Barcelona)
Lyon (San Antonio Spurs vs Asvel)
Paris (San Antonio Spurs vs Maccabi)
Moscow (Los Ángeles Clippers vs CSKA)
Cologne (1º and 2ª in the Euroleague vs Philadelphia 76ers and Phoenix Suns)!!!!!!!!!!!

I got my hands on a luxury box pass there for one Sharks game. Once in a lifetime experience if you're not rich or don't know rich people. I had eleven seats to give out to my friends. Most of them didn't take it seriously so they passed. Hell, I didn't even know what it was going to be like. When I and my few friends who took the chance and went, it was free food and beer and gift bags and a game to relax watching from luxury stadium seating or from the the multiple TVs inside the room. UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!! When we showed the photos to all our friends who passed on the chance, they p*ssed in their pants and banged their heads.

Are you kidding me? A Euroleague team would get blown out in an NBA game.
yeah,just like the baseball.Remind me how the americans done against the rest of the world?

America already has a team in a Euro League! Mancolchester UTD!

if an MLS team was to enter a big competition the Libertadores would make more sense then the champions league... But MLS teams are so far getting their asses kicked by mexican team which are getting their own asses kicked by Argentinian and brasilian team in the Copa Nissan Sud Americana and Libertadores...

Besides MLS won't be able to make that kind of decision you would have to go by the CONCACAF rules. From an organizational point of view your better off merging Concacaf and Comebol (the south american soccer governing body)
Of course Corinthians and Santos might be less appealing than Barcelona and Chelsea moneywise, but these teams are able to win the InterContinental Cup.

However to enter this competition you might be asked to open the league or to merge it with United Soccer leagues... Creating this way three divisions Major league First and Second Division, that would allow soccer to get a wider fan base and to develop team cultures in the right market North America Wide... Besides what is the budget of let's way the LA Galaxy... 10 milions US ok so LA against Liverpool who has almost ten times this budget... the plane ticket for Anfield is pricey these days you know. So paying that much to get your team to lose a game is a no brainer...
Kick regularly mexican teams asses first and we'll talk about it after. Till then exhibition games will be more than sufficiant...

G14 is not a governing body yet. The thing with europe is even is Champions League is prestigious we care more about the National Championship. I wish them luck to have teams to sign for a competition where teams might in fact lose a big part of their fan base who prefers to watch a derby Torino-Juventus or Atletico-Real.
And except for Eurosport this league would be a broadcaster and local annoncer nigthmare.

The Copa Libertadores is more likely but I'm not sure how much of an attendance/cash boost it would provide, do south american teams play friendlies in the US and if so what kind of attendance do they draw?

yeah,just like the baseball.Remind me how the americans done against the rest of the world?

Remind me again of the relevance of this statement. We're talking league teams here, not national sides. oh, and we're talking basketball, not baseball. Basketball uses a large orange ball. try to keep up.

American teams should flat out refuse to play by the shitty international rules as well. Play the game like it should be played ... with a real key, a 3 point line that takes a high level of skill to shoot from, no goaltending, 6 fouls, etc etc etc

yeah,just like the baseball.Remind me how the americans done against the rest of the world?

You obviously have no idea in hell of what you're talking about. America is still the best country in the world for baseball, period, end of story. The thing is, baseball is played over a 162 game season, every team has highs and lows, the WBC was a contrived single elimination and pool play tournament that had more to do with luck than anything else (and I was rooting AGAINST the U.S. team) Just because the Japanese team beat the U.S. in one game doesn't mean anything. The MLB plays best of seven series to determine winners, because the nature of baseball is that any team can get lucky and win, more so than any other sport. On top of this, the U.S. had hardly any of it's best players playing in the WBC. And on top of THAT, the U.S. has BY FAR the most depth of any country in baseball, we have way to many good players to play on one team. This is reflected in the fact that the MLB is still mostly American, despite the fact that baseball is far from our favorite sport. And basketball, I won't even start. The U.S. still has by far the best players in the world, they just don't care about the olympics or play together for years on end, and like in baseball, our best players don't play in the olympics or international play....

the rules are different from European to American games. American basketball is also more physical--which isnt how the game is played internationally. Coming from this type of style of play--a game with your rules will be an advantage for a European team. And I agree with 40 about the three point line--make it a little challenging.

And about the baseball....this wasnt the best American team. Just like our basketball teams in the Olympics arent our ultimate best team either. Had every American player been able or wanted to play--we would have done much, much better.

yeah,just like the baseball.Remind me how the americans done against the rest of the world?

Well the Spurs have a guy from Belguim(Tony Parker), 2 Argentina(Manu Ginoboli, Fabricio Oberto), 2 Slovenians (Beno Udrih, Rasho Nesterovic), Virgin Islands(Tim Duncan), and New Zealand (Sean Marks) and they won the championship(world title) last year and are one of 2 favorites this year.

Last year's NBA MVP and the suns leader was born in South Africa and raised in Canada (Steve Nash), another key player on the Suns who is a foreigner is Boris Diaw(france).

The best player on the Mavericks who are 3rd Place out of 30 teams is a German(Dirk). How about Yao Ming, Peja Stojakovic, Pau Gasol, Andrei Kirilenko etc.....

So good luck against the "Americans"

I would even say the 04' Pistons(NBA champs that year) would have won the Olympic Gold Medal in 04'. They where actually a team not a bunch of people who wanted to chuck shots and get caught with weed(Carmelo). Also like the WBC the best players didn't play(Shaq, KG, Kobe, Elton Brand, Tracy Mcgrady etc.....)

No way the Spurs or Suns(esp. if Amare is 100%) lose, hopefully Iverson and Webber can get a win....

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/14263497.htm

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Jackson County voters split Tuesday on a pair of tax measures to fund upgrades to Kansas City's sports stadiums, approving a sales tax for renovations and refurbishments but rejecting a separate business tax for a rolling roof at the Truman Sports Complex.

With 100 percent of precincts reporting, the three-eighth-cent sales tax passed 49,362 votes to 44,300. A $200 million plan to install a rolling roof at the complex failed by a narrower margin, 48,673 votes to 44,778.

The sales tax is expected to raise $425 million over 25 years to renovate Arrowhead Stadium, home of the NFL's Kansas City Chiefs, and Kauffman Stadium, where baseball's Kansas City Royals play. That money also would fund such new amenities as a pavilion behind Kauffman Stadium, similar to the one behind Arrowhead.

The rolling roof would have moved between the two stadiums, providing climate control.

The NFL had said Kansas City would get the Super Bowl in 2015 if voters approved the rolling roof, and baseball had also promised the city an All-Star Game sometime after 2010 if both measures are approved.

Supporters argued that passing both questions was the only way to guarantee Kansas City's sports future, while opponents said the teams' owners should not be asking for so much public money.

"I think athletics makes higher profits than almost any other industry," said voter Joyce Merrill, of Kansas City, who voted against both measures. "I think athletics makes higher profits than almost any other industry. We don't subsidize anybody else to help them build facilities to help them make more money."

Had the sales tax measure failed, Jackson County would have gone into default on its lease with the teams on Jan. 1, 2007, and the Royals and Chiefs would be free to seek new homes elsewhere. Neither team has said it would move if the measures failed, but neither has promised to stay.

Supporters feared fear the teams might leave town, pointing to other cities that have lost franchises that were equally beloved by their communities - Cleveland's Browns and Baltimore's Colts, for example - and over basically the same issue, the lack of adequate stadiums.

Opponents insisted the teams would not go anywhere, regardless of the outcome.

The Royals and Chiefs have signed leases to keep them in Kansas City through 2031 - if both measures pass.

Arrowhead is a classic NFL stadium and it should stay the way it is.

yes, and probably why DFW will only get one.

I am not expert but it seems to be based it on superbowl weekend only, if DFW got lucky and had beautiful weather it could come back...... maybe

if an MLS team was to enter a big competition the Libertadores would make more sense then the champions league... But MLS teams are so far getting their asses kicked by mexican team which are getting their own asses kicked by Argentinian and brasilian team in the Copa Nissan Sud Americana and Libertadores...


WTF?

Pumas made it to the Final of the Sud Americana and took BJ to penalties.

There have been Mexican teams at least in the semi-finals every year since Mexican started played in the Libertadores.

I agree that Argentinian/Brasilian teams are generally better than the Mexicans ones, but we do not get our asses kicked by them.

Looks ugly...

what is Kansas City infastructure like???

Can anyone explain how super bowl are awarded to cities?

What would be the point of that? it would not be the European champions league then.


It's not been the European CHAMPIONS league for a long time!!

It's not been the European CHAMPIONS league for a long time!!

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Fuck off BuBomb you racist Scottish prick

^^well Turkey is in Europe while Israel is mainly due to political purposes

Culturally Turkey isnt in Europe.

We will see it next summer ;)

Rome (Phoenix Suns vs Lottomatica)
Barcelona (Philadelphia 76ers vs Barcelona)
Lyon (San Antonio Spurs vs Asvel)
Paris (San Antonio Spurs vs Maccabi)
Moscow (Los Ángeles Clippers vs CSKA)
Cologne (1º and 2ª in the Euroleague vs Philadelphia 76ers and Phoenix Suns)!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey teams such as Lottomatica,Asvel and so on of course such and can be sweeped even by top European Clubs.But teams such as Barcelona,CSKA,Maccabi and especially Panathinaikos which is the best in Europe now (and could even qualify to NBA playoffs with this team) is equal o NBA clubs and i think will beat Phoenix Suns or Philadelphia 76ers.

^^No they couldn't if their players where good enough to compete in the NBA they would playing in the NBA and not in greece

Why is that?Even their coach Oradovic was wanted to be hired by Grizzlies but he rejected the proposal cos he wanted to stay in athens,at Panathinaikos.

Don't hurry man.You will see Panathinaikos and Maccabi kicking many NBA teams' asses in summer...

I think the roof looks like that because it would have been used for Kauffmann as well. The two stadiums sit next to each other in a sports complex.


Team or stadium owners(don't have to be NFL stadiums) submit formal bids to the NFL commissioners office. The stadium must have a minimum of 32 suites, and 60,000 seats. The closer to 72,000 and up, the better shot at a bid one has. The climate also needs to have above 41 degree game temperature. The warmer(not hot) the more likely the bid. So domes help, especially in colder climates. There also needs to be 30,000 hotel rooms within a certain radius of the stadium. I believe the radius varies by density. Once the best bids are determined, the process selects a certain percentage of eligible bids. It usually ends up as 4 or 5 finalists. Then the best bid is determined. That is the normal process per the last few bids. A city can also be promised a game if they build a new stadium as part of the NFL's stadium program. The NFL will pay a certain percentage of a stadium cost based of revenue sharing. Though its rarely revealed, it was revealed in the last labor negotiations that the Cowboys are due to recieve $76 million.

In the US soccer is hardly an enjoyed sport. Only minorities and immigrants are seen attending MLS games as well as watching the World Cup. It's just unfortunate, that many Americans will never understand soccer. On a sidenote, I can never understand why it even called soccer in this country especially when the name football makes more sense in how it is being used.

In the US soccer is hardly an enjoyed sport. Only minorities and immigrants are seen attending MLS games as well as watching the World Cup. It's just unfortunate, that many Americans will never understand soccer. On a sidenote, I can never understand why it even called soccer in this country especially when the name football makes more sense in how it is being used.


Welcome to 3 years of past threads ... all brought up in one concise post!!!

Dude, its not only immigrants and minorities who like soccer. The US has a VERY distinct soccer culture, particularly in cities like Boston, NYC, Philly, Buffalo D.C., Orlando, Tampa, Dallas, Houston, Denver, Chicago, Indianapolis, Austin, Phoenix, St. Louis, K.C., Seattle, Vegas, San Francisco, L.A., and San Diego to name JUST A FEW.

Just because you appear to be sheltered in your world of WNBA doesnt mean soccer fans don't exist.

Also, Google is your friend. Use it to see where the term 'soccer' comes from. you might be surprised.

Why is that?Even their coach Oradovic was wanted to be hired by Grizzlies but he rejected the proposal cos he wanted to stay in athens,at Panathinaikos.

Don't hurry man.You will see Panathinaikos and Maccabi kicking many NBA teams' asses in summer...

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This is a travesty, it's like putting a roof on Lambeau.... Here's an example of the NFL sacrificing the fans happiness to make money........

That might be a stretch to say there is a "distinct soccer culture" in many US cities. Here in Minneapolis, which is a soccer hotbed we have a team called the Thunder from the A league, they struggle to draw 5,000.......... Their average is probably close 2,000. If that's what you call a "distinct soccer culture" Than you need a reality check :)

I think only the two side walls would remain, with the roof probably sitting between the two while not in use. There is plenty of space for that between the two stadiums.

Did you know, that if you placed all the hot dogs eaten at the Super Bowl end to end, you'd have far more fun than watching the drivel on the pitch?

I must admit I'v never understood why cities go to such lenghts to get the superbowl, by comparason getting the european cup final is very much an afterthugh in stadium construction.

So does anyone know what Arrowhead's capacity will go to? I have it as 79,451 now.

85,000?

Not sure the roof is all that flattering, especially considering that Arrowhead has a very idiosyncratic design (not quite iconic in my view but certainly distinctive). I always feel it hints at that American 50's/60's (although it was opened in 1972) vision of an ultra modern future, which now looks kinda retro. To me, it's like something out of the Jetsons.

The sheer size of the roof makes it interesting enough from an engineering viewpoint before you even think about the implications of its portability to the neighbouring Kauffman (baseball) Stadium. It sounds quite unique, I'll give it that but I'm not sure it's a good thing to remove so much of the character from one of the NFL's most individual venues...

http://www.seatdata.com/images/venue_arrowhead_stadium/samples/sample.jpg

http://www.nelsonandnelson.com/pix/arrowhead300.jpg

http://football.ballparks.com/NFL/KansasCityChiefs/aerial.jpg

You can see here how the portable roof structure will be able to alternate between Arrowhead and Kauffman

http://www.terraserver.com/posters/terraserver_thumbnails/Royals-Stadium-Arrowhead-Stadium-thumbnail.jpg

http://www.cjonline.com/photos/galleries/chiefs091001/images/01.jpg

http://www.fussballtempel.net/concacaf/USA/Arrowhead.jpeg

http://www.mrmodels.co.nz/New_Uploads_03_08/6810PL_Polarlights_Jetsons.jpg
Okay, I couldn't resist, but does anyone else agree with me on that - or is it just me?

great prairie just so you know Parker is french

I have a quick question, might be silly but hey... we are all silly most of the times
what is so uncool about playing south american teams for North America?
If you go to play in brasil you would play infront of 50000+ on most games
I remember the Juventus road trip a couple of years ago they did not packed the stadium... when mexico comes to visit they don't do it either (ie last week in detroit)
What makes you think that Chelsea or Milan AC will do better for a sport who's not yet in the american top 3

I want to see the Vancouver Whitecaps and the Montreal Impact in the MLS and an American team winning the Concacaf Cup before US teams are authorised to play in any other league... American soccer made a lot of progress for sure but it's not there yet.

In the US soccer is hardly an enjoyed sport. Only minorities and immigrants are seen attending MLS games as well as watching the World Cup. It's just unfortunate, that many Americans will never understand soccer. On a sidenote, I can never understand why it even called soccer in this country especially when the name football makes more sense in how it is being used.

Yeah man, I dont know if it was this thread or another--where I was talking about the bags of Doritos that say "Cheer Mexico on in the 06 World Cup" and show a Mexican player--not an American.

I haven't read all the posts but I don't see any interest for soccer in the United States. Personally I think watching soccer is boooooooorrrrrring. :down:

Did you know, that if you placed all the hot dogs eaten at the Super Bowl end to end, you'd have far more fun than watching the drivel on the pitch?

Thank you dumbass, for the elightened post...

Thank you dumbass, for the elightened post...

Less of the personal insults and more of the stadium talk please or face a ban.

great prairie just so you know Parker is french

I always thought that too but I only checked on ESPN.com(should have checked wiki too) and he was born in Belguim and raised in France...


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3527

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Parker

I must admit I'v never understood why cities go to such lenghts to get the superbowl, by comparason getting the european cup final is very much an afterthugh in stadium construction.

Because the Superbowl is huge. American sportsfans spend, spend spend. They buy their favorite player's shoes, clothes and advertised brands. NFL fans that can afford to go to the Superbowl spend even more. They bring their fatcat friends along as well. Not to mention all the celebrities and huge parties they throw. Its a bonanza that can pretty much offset the money spent on a stadium in one weekend. Not to menton those fatcats get valuable exposure to one's city. Positive image is pretty much priceless. As big as the Olympics are, it wouldn't suprise me if a Superbowl weekend alone could produce nearly the revenue. YES, that many people are coming to town and spending that much money. It's ridiculous. People that have been around a Superbowl weekend know what I'm talking about. It is simply nuts.

I think it's a STUPID idea! First they talk about renovating this place for the Super Bowl, then Kaufmann Stadium for the All-Star game, totally destroying the old images of the great stadia.

Do the bigwigs of the sport leagues have a hard-on for KC all of a sudden? I just don't get it. Arrowhead must be one of the most difficult stadiums in the NFL to slap a roof on, being so wide open and spread out. It's classic just the way it is now.

I haven't read all the posts but I don't see any interest for soccer in the United States. Personally I think watching soccer is boooooooorrrrrring. :down:

yeah, and some people don't like beer, corn chips, or hardcore porn. And they have their opinions, but like yours, its the wrong opinion.

MLS teams allready play in the Copa Sudamericana which is basically the UEFA cup of South America, so they could theoretically play in the Copa Lib in the future.

do they???

It would be great if there were 6 almost equally talented continent-areas all fighting to produce the best team on the planet. The best teams from Oceana, Europe, Asia, Africa, North America and South America all in a superleague each year. Shame that only Europe and S. America tend to compete at the moment. Does North America even have a continental club competition like the Libertadores or our Champions League?


hello, I should remember that the Toyota Club has changed its format... FIFA finally decided to really change the competition and such...

in the end of 2005 we had the first World Clubs Cup by FIFA. The champions of Oceania, Asia, Africa and North America, faced each other. The 2 best then faced either São Paulo (South America) or Liverpool (Europe).
Guess what? Both São Paulo and Liverpool won, and then faced each other in the final. São Paulo was champion.

Yep. The CONCACAF Champion's Cup.

Mexican teams DOMINATE the cup.

This years final is between two Mexican teams, America and Toluca.


why the hell Mexican teams play in both Libertadores and this Concacaf Cup????

If a Mexican team wins at the Libertadores and another wins this Concacaf, then two mexican teams will be disputing the World Club Championship, representing two different continents!! This DOESNT MAKES SENSE!

Nobody really cares about the World Cup Championship in reality.

It's more about the prestige of the Cup.

And on that note.

Chivas defeated Sao Paulo in Morumbi 2-1.

So much for the past champions.

This cup belongs to Chivas.

In the US soccer is hardly an enjoyed sport. Only minorities and immigrants are seen attending MLS games as well as watching the World Cup. It's just unfortunate, that many Americans will never understand soccer. On a sidenote, I can never understand why it even called soccer in this country especially when the name football makes more sense in how it is being used.

this post cant be coming from an american. You are an immigrant, right?? :D

Was São Paulo eliminated? I am not following the Libertadores, cuz Internacional is the arch-rival of my team, Grêmio.

And they have their opinions, but like yours, its the wrong opinion.

Abandoning objectivism just like that? Forgivable in the defence of the beautiful game.

can MLS teams join a CLUB competition? I mean, MLS teams are not clubs. There is no relegation in MLS. Teams are franchises and can move from one city to the other!

Also, they all have fancy comic book names with comic book pop style logos, while european/south american clubs usually have shields and club names, like Sport Association "InsertNameOfCityHere".


There are some 18 professional teams in US right?

Brazil has over 800 professional football teams. Buenos Aires alone has 16 professional football clubs.

Brazil has so many clubs that there are STATE championships... and some states have 3 divisions (relegation, promotion)


Here, a list of professional clubs in RIO GRANDE DO SUL STATE ALONE
Primeira Divisão (in bold, the teams that participate of the first division of the brazilian national championship)

* Clube Esportivo Bento Gonçalves
* Grêmio Esportivo São José (Cachoeira do Sul)
* Clube 15 de Novembro
* Sport Club Ulbra
* Sociedade Esportiva e Recreativa Caxias do Sul
* Esporte Clube Juventude
* Esporte Clube Novo Hamburgo
* Esporte Clube Passo Fundo
* Grêmio Esportivo Brasil (Pelotas)
* Grêmio Atlético Farroupilha (Pelotas)
* Grêmio Foot Ball Porto Alegrense
* Sport Club Internacional
* Esporte Clube São José (Porto Alegre)
* Futebol Clube Santa Cruz
* Grêmio Esportivo Glória
* Esporte Clube São Luiz (Ijuí)
* Sport Club Gaúcho (Passo Fundo)
* Veranópolis Esporte Clube Recreativo e Cultural

Segunda Divisão

* São Gabriel Futebol Clube
* Esporte Clube Guarani (Venâncio Aires)
* Esporte ClubeAvenida(Santa Cruz)
* Grêmio Esportivo Bagé
* Guarany Futebol Clube (Bagé)
* Cachoeira Futebol Clube
* Associação Carazinhense de Futebol
* Tupy Futebol Clube (Crissiumal)
* Ypiranga Futebol Clube (Erechim)
* Sociedade Esportiva Recreativa e Cultural Brasil (Farroupilha)
* Associação Garibaldi de Esportes
* Clube Esportivo Aimoré (Bento Gonçalves)
* Clube Esportivo Lajeadense
* Esporte Clube Pelotas
* Esporte Clube Cruzeiro (Porto Alegre)
* Porto Alegre Futebol Clube
* Sport Club Rio Grande
* Sport Club São Paulo (Rio Grande)
* Esporte Clube Internacional (Santa Maria)
* Riograndense Futebol Clube (Santa Maria)
* Esporte Clube 14 de Julho (Santana do Livramento)
* Juventus Atlético Clube (Santa Rosa)
* Sociedade Esportiva e Recreativa Santo Ângelo
* Grêmio Esportivo Sapucaiense
* Esporte Clube Ipiranga (Sarandi)
* Três Passos Atlético Clube
* Estrela Futebol Clube
* Associação Esportiva Sapiranga


São Paulo state clubs (4 divisions - total, 104 clubs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

A1 divison (best one)
AD São Caetano
América Futebol Clube
Associação Atlética Ponte Preta
Associação Atlética Portuguesa
Associação Portuguesa de Desportos
Clube Atlético Bragantino
Clube Atlético Juventus
Esporte Clube Noroeste
Esporte Clube Santo André
Esporte Clube São Bento
Guarani Futebol Clube
Ituano Sociedade Civil de Futebol Ltda
Marília Atlético Clube
Mogi Mirim Esporte Clube
Paulista Futebol Clube Ltda
Rio Branco Esporte Clube
Santos Futebol Clube
São Paulo Futebol Clube
Sociedade Esportiva Palmeiras
Sport Club Corinthians Paulista

A2 Division
Associação Atlética Internacional
Associação Esportiva Araçatuba
Bandeirante Esporte Clube
Clube Atlético Sorocaba
Clube Atlético Taquaritinga
Comercial Futebol Clube
Esporte Clube Taubaté
Esporte Clube XV Novembro - Piracicaba
Grêmio Recreativo Barueri
Guaratinguetá Esporte Clube
Mirassol Futebol Clube
Nacional Atlético Clube
Oeste Futebol Clube
Olímpia Futebol Clube
Rio Claro Futebol Clube
Rio Preto Esporte Clube
Sertãozinho Futebol Clube
Sociedade Esportiva Palmeiras B
União Barbarense Futebol Clube Ltda
União São João Esporte Clube

A3 Division
Associação Atlética Flamengo
Associação Atlética Francana
Associação Atlética Itararé
Associação Esportiva Santacruzense
Atlético Monte Azul
Barretos Esporte Clube
Botafogo Futebol Clube
Esporte Clube Osasco
Esporte Clube Primavera
Esporte Clube XV de Novembro - Jaú
Ferroviária Futebol S/A
Grêmio Esportivo Mauaense
Independente Futebol Sociedade Civil Ltda
Osvaldo Cruz Futebol Clube
São Bernardo Futebol Clube Ltda
São Carlos Futebol Ltda
São José Esporte Clube
São Vicente Atlético Clube
Sociedade Esportiva Matonense
Sociedade Esportiva Votuporanga

Second Division
Amparo Athlético Club
Associação Desportiva de Guarujá
Associação Desportiva Guarulhos
Associação Esportiva Ilha Solteira
Atlético Esportivo Araçatuba
Barcelona Esportivo Capela Ltda
Batatais Futebol Clube
Campinas Futebol Clube
Capivariano Futebol Clube
Clube Atlético Assisense
Clube Atlético Guaçuano
Clube Atlético Joseense
Clube Atlético Lemense
Clube Atlético Lençoense
Clube Atlético Linense
Clube Atlético Penapolense
Clube Atlético Pirassununguense
Clube Atlético Taboão da Serra
Clube de Futebol Boa Vista Ltda
Esporte Clube União Suzano
Fernandópolis Futebol Clube
Força Esporte Clube
Ginásio Pinhalense de Esportes Atléticos
Grêmio Catanduvense de Futebol
Guariba Futebol Clube
Jabaquara Atlético Clube
Jaboticabal Atlético
Jacareí Atlético Clube
José Bonifácio Esporte Clube
Mogi das Cruzes Futebol Ltda
Oeste Paulista Esporte Clube
Osasco Futebol Clube
Presidente Prudente Futebol Clube
PSB São Bernardo Futebol Escola
Radium Futebol Clube
Sociedade Esportiva Itapirense
Sport Club Atibaia
Sport Club Campo Limpo Paulista
Sumaré Atlético Clube
Tanabi Esporte Clube
Tupã Futebol Clube
União Futebol Clube
União Suzano Atlético Clube
Votoraty Futebol Clube Ltda

this post cant be coming from an american. You are an immigrant, right?? :D
It is true that I am not American-born, but that's besides the point. Honsestly, the male WASPs have never found soccer to be that great as oppossed to football, which shouldn't even have that name to start with. I have been to a Metrostars, now the Redbulls, game once, and most of the people I saw there were mainly Hispanics. When CNN showed the 1998 World Cup and on how it was viewed in the US, it was mainly minorities and immigrants who seemed to be the bigger fans. However, I do find it irony the US Womens Soccer Team is actually supported more than the US Mens Soccer Team, but my guess is that's b/c they just suck. On a sidenote, I actually did like soccer as my favorite sport and I have even played in a local soccer team, but as I started school, I started to like basketball more, so I lost all interests for soccer.

However, I do find it irony the US Womens Soccer Team is actually supported more than the US Mens Soccer Team, but my guess is that's b/c they just suck.


First of all, how is that ironic? Secondly, you've disqualified yourself from making any future posts regarding soccer, as you obviously have NO CLUE about the current state of the game, especially in the United States. The MNT, in fact, does not 'suck'.

Stick to your chickball expertise on the WNBA threads. Thats more your speed.

Oh, so that comment you posted was "stadium talk" Sure....... I'm not the one who started making stupid comments.....

Seriously though, although soccer is not a nothing sport, it ain't much of anything here in the U.S. The TV ratings and attendace are pathetic for MLS, and the interest in the USMNT in so high that they show half of their games on tape delay..... Not to put down soccer, but that's kinda the reality.......

^^No they couldn't if their players where good enough to compete in the NBA they would playing in the NBA and not in greece
In the European Basketball Championships last summer, the Greek team which had 0 NBA players won the entire tournament beating teams from the rest of Europe who had star NBA players (Germany-Nowitski and France-Parker). This proves that basketball isn't about who has the most NBA players.

The quality of European leagues and national teams in Basketball has caught up to the US. I think that some of the elite European teams can play in the NBA.

European teams deserve much more credit than you give them.

Not to put down soccer, but that's kinda the reality.......

As much as it would be a nice little addition for football to break into the American Market, if it doesn't the fact that the rest of the world is passionate about the game, and that its the most popular sport in a majority of countries, - curiously often those where it is not, New Zealand, India, Australia, South Africa etc tend to be places which as well as being former British Colonies, retained much British Culture, not sure quite why that should be - means we'll somehow manage to get over it, without too many nights crying into our pillows.

The quality of European leagues and national teams in Basketball has caught up to the US. I think that some of the elite European teams can play in the NBA.

European teams deserve much more credit than you give them.

did they play by the real rules or the women's rules of Europe basketball. So, you're saying that beating a team with ONE NBA player proves that greek teams belong in the NBA? LOL

Look, in a meaningful game, say something other than PRIDE on the line, the NBA team wins 9/10 games. Say, if a greek team WAS in the NBA and it was playoff game or something ... any team out of the west would blow out a greek team, though the greeks would give the bottom 4 playoff teams of the eastern division a good game. For example, a mediocre team in the weaker East division like the Miluakee Bucks with TJ Ford, Michael Redd, Charlie Bell, Andrew Bogot, Dan Gadzuric, Toni Kukoc, etc would just spank any team from Europe.

But face it. The Euro leagues just get all of the NBA rejects. There are a ton of former college stars over there that light up those leagues, but can't make it out of training camp here in the states.

We appreciate your enthusiasm in basketball, really we do, but tap the brake on winning the NBA championship a little bit.

But face it. The Euro leagues just get all of the NBA rejects. There are a ton of former college stars over there that light up those leagues, but can't make it out of training camp here in the states.

I know sod all about basketball, but I imagine leagues will operate in much the same way that all other professional sports leagues do. So whilst the gap in quality would initially be huge, because the differences in the money and prestige of the leagues, if say Greece managed to get a franchise - that is one very weird system btw - in the NBA, the Athens Hellenes, Spartan Invicibles or the Theban Medisers, they'd have access to the money, sponsorship, tv rights and the glamour of playing the best teams in the world, so it probably wouldn't be too long before they were doing rathe respectable. A Euroleague may get all the rejects, a European Team in the NBA however would not neccessarily be at such a great disadvantage.

But face it. The Euro leagues just get all of the NBA rejects. There are a ton of former college stars over there that light up those leagues, but can't make it out of training camp here in the states.

I know sod all about basketball, but I imagine leagues will operate in much the same way that all other professional sports leagues do. So whilst the gap in quality would initially be huge, because the differences in the money and prestige of the leagues, if say Greece managed to get a franchise - that is one very weird system btw - in the NBA, the Athens Hellenes, Spartan Invicibles or the Theban Medisers, they'd have access to the money, sponsorship, tv rights and the glamour of playing the best teams in the world, so it probably wouldn't be too long before they were doing rathe respectable. A Euroleague may get all the rejects, a European Team in the NBA however would not neccessarily be at such a great disadvantage.


excellent point.

Although, all things being equal, the Bucks beat Athens by 20 if they played in the NBA playoffs tonight.

Because the Superbowl is huge. American sportsfans spend, spend spend. They buy their favorite player's shoes, clothes and advertised brands. NFL fans that can afford to go to the Superbowl spend even more. They bring their fatcat friends along as well. Not to mention all the celebrities and huge parties they throw. Its a bonanza that can pretty much offset the money spent on a stadium in one weekend. Not to menton those fatcats get valuable exposure to one's city. Positive image is pretty much priceless. As big as the Olympics are, it wouldn't suprise me if a Superbowl weekend alone could produce nearly the revenue. YES, that many people are coming to town and spending that much money. It's ridiculous. People that have been around a Superbowl weekend know what I'm talking about. It is simply nuts.


You know whats a crazy thought ... that in 2008 when Phoenix hosts the Superbowl, it will be on the same weekend as the FBR open, which brings about 500,000 golf fans over the 4-day weekend. Its one of the biggest, if not THE biggest golf tournaments in the world. It would probably be bigger if the organizers didnt insist on having it on Superbowl weekend every year.

I just cant even fathom the billions brought into the Phoenix metro that week.

excellent point.

Although, all things being equal, the Bucks beat Athens by 20 if they played in the NBA playoffs tonight.
There is no team called "Athens"

There is Panathinaikos and there is Olympiakos (who arguably have become better than Panathinaikos)

I love it, great design, very modern and simple solution.

what a nice stadium, nicer than the most of american NFL stadia

Well, the SB is probably a no-go now. KC voters rejected the plan to add retractable roofs, though they did vote yes to stadium upgrades to both Arrowhead and Kaufman Stadiums.

Anyway folks I got an announcement to make:

The game is called FOOTBALL

not soccer, get it right you bloody Americans! :)hehe

THANK GOD!!!
Good thing for football.

Anyway folks I got an announcement to make:

The game is called FOOTBALL

not soccer, get it right you bloody Americans! :)hehe

Soccer is just one kind of football - there are several other types of football in the world, and ignorant soccer fans posting the same complaint time after time doesn't help matters one little bit.

Seriously though, although soccer is not a nothing sport, it ain't much of anything here in the U.S. The TV ratings and attendace are pathetic for MLS, and the interest in the USMNT in so high that they show half of their games on tape delay..... Not to put down soccer, but that's kinda the reality.......

I can't find any actual attendance figures but isnt there normally quite a bit of interest when the big european teams play friendlies in the US? The world cup was very popular aswell which tends to suggest to me that it isnt so much a lack of interest in soccer/football as it is a lack of interest in the standard of play in the MLS and in events that take place outside the US. Unlike most devolping leagues the MLS does have the advantage of a large potential fanbase with lots of disposable income and access to large modern NFL stadiums to benefit from it.

did they play by the real rules or the women's rules of Europe basketball. So, you're saying that beating a team with ONE NBA player proves that greek teams belong in the NBA? LOL
Like I said I dont think the teams had 1 NBA player. I just cant name the entire French teams roster off the top of my head.


Look, in a meaningful game, say something other than PRIDE on the line, the NBA team wins 9/10 games. Say, if a greek team WAS in the NBA and it was playoff game or something ... any team out of the west would blow out a greek team, though the greeks would give the bottom 4 playoff teams of the eastern division a good game. For example, a mediocre team in the weaker East division like the Miluakee Bucks with TJ Ford, Michael Redd, Charlie Bell, Andrew Bogot, Dan Gadzuric, Toni Kukoc, etc would just spank any team from Europe.
Sure, against one of the better NBA teams the best Greek team would lose. There is no way Panathinaikos could beat the Spurs, Cavs, Suns, Heat, etc........ But if they played some non play-off teams in the NBA such as the Blazers, Hawks, BobCats, Raptors etc.... I am sure that a top Greek/top European team could win MEANINGFUL games against those teams. If you put Panathinaikos in the NBA they would win around 15-25 games. That is good enough to be in the league. I never said they would win the NBA Championship or anything like that.

But face it. The Euro leagues just get all of the NBA rejects. There are a ton of former college stars over there that light up those leagues, but can't make it out of training camp here in the states.
A lot of them can make it in the NBA. Where do you think all the European NBA stars played before they came to the NBA? The European legues have tons of basketball talent.

We appreciate your enthusiasm in basketball, really we do, but tap the brake on winning the NBA championship a little bit.
I never said a European team could win the Championship. I never said that they would even make the playofss. But they would compete in the NBA and likely be able to beat most of the crappier teams in the league.

This will help the stadium in stadiums around the world. Right now the stadium needs huge renavations and doing this will help the stadium rank go up alot

I never said a European team could win the Championship. I never said that they would even make the playofss. But they would compete in the NBA and likely be able to beat most of the crappier teams in the league.


http://www.euroleague.net/stats/statsPartido.jsp?temporada=E05&jornada=22&partido=222

Maccabis most recent game.....
Looking at the Box score I noticed they had three starters from America, I read their short biographies and none of them could make it in the NBA. They also scored 50 of 70 points.... the team they beat had 2 american starters. So you could compete with the Knicks and Bobcats :|

which tends to suggest to me that it isnt so much a lack of interest in soccer/football as it is a lack of interest in the standard of play in the MLS and in events that take place outside the US.


DING DING DING DING DING

give the man a prize for 'getting it'

now there is talk of bringing Ronaldo to Red Bull New York. This is EXACTLY how the NASL failed by bringing in past-their-prime international stars to act indifferent on the pitch.

I asked me,
The SBC Park in San Francisco is famous because his Splash Home Runs behind the Right Field into the San Francisco Bay.
There are some other waterfront ballparks in the MLB like PNC PArk in Pittsburgh
or Great American Ballpark in Cincinnati.
Are some players in the MLB also able to hit some Splash Home Runs in these Ballparks.

Maybe you have some pictures of those Ballparks.

que?

There's a pool in Chase Field in Phoenix. There's been some splash downs there.

-you could also hit one into the water fountains at Kaufman Stadium in K.C.

-There are also some hot tubs in Miami and Tampa Bay I think in the outfields.

excellent point.

Although, all things being equal, the Bucks beat Athens by 20 if they played in the NBA playoffs tonight.

:) I like your comments about the Bucks.

I can't find any actual attendance figures but isnt there normally quite a bit of interest when the big european teams play friendlies in the US? The world cup was very popular aswell which tends to suggest to me that it isnt so much a lack of interest in soccer/football as it is a lack of interest in the standard of play in the MLS and in events that take place outside the US. Unlike most devolping leagues the MLS does have the advantage of a large potential fanbase with lots of disposable income and access to large modern NFL stadiums to benefit from it.


The one thing for soccer/football will need to become big in the U.S. more then anything is for some Americans to become top tier players. If a handfull can be among the better players in the world I think that would progress the sport here.
Even if you transfered the best soccer teams to the U.S. right now I think they would only do marginally well (compared to Europe) untill Americans were seen as being as comeptitive as other top nations in terms of players.
We wouldn't have to be dominant in the sport or even among the best but our top player would have to show they are in the mix.

At the Nike Hoops Summit in Memphis

USA-109 vs. World-91

and it wasn't even as close as the score may indicate.

Wayne Ellington is gonna be a baller at University of Kansas ... he had 31 and was 5/6 from 3. University of Texas signee Kevin Durant had 19 i beleive. Both are gonna tear up the Big 12 next year.

Mouhamed Sene from Senegal had 15 points and NINE blocks. Kid was awesome on D. I see that he's almost 20 now ... is he planning on entering the NBA draft?

:) I like your comments about the Bucks.
Too bad the Wizards would kick their asses.

"Now, two seconds left in game 7 of the the 2006 NBA Eastern Confrence semi-finals between the Wizards and Bucks. Game tied at 84. Gilbert Arenas pulls up to shoot the 3.............at the buzzer.........ITS GOOD! WIZARDS WIN! WIZARDS WIN! The Bucks not only lose the game but now have to go back to living in Milwaukee. What a terrible way to end the season."
http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/sports/buck/img/feb05/ga205.jpg

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

I'll bet the USA All Stars had better tattoos as well.

At the Nike Hoops Summit in Memphis

USA-109 vs. World-91



Can someone familiar with basketball tell us what the rule differences are between NBA and European games?

I'm assuming the number of players and time length is the same but there seems to be some significant differences or is it just in the way games are officiated (interpretation)

Can someone familiar with basketball tell us what the rule differences are between NBA and European games?

I'm assuming the number of players and time length is the same but there seems to be some significant differences or is it just in the way games are officiated (interpretation)

There are a number of different rules, most of them ridiculous in the int'l game:

~The games are shorter, in NBA its 48 mins long, FIBA 40 mins
~The court dimensions are smaller, in NBA 94' x 50', FIBA 91' 10" x 49' 2.5"
~Size of the lane is curiously larger, in NBA 16' x 19', FIBA 19 ' 8.2" x 19' 0.3"
~The 3 point line is easier to shoot from, in NBA 23' 9", FIBA 20' 6.1 "
~Less fouls allowed, in NBA its 6, FIBA 5
~Bonus Free Throws are different, in NBA 1n1 freethrows after 5 fouls, FIBA you get 2 shots
~Goaltending, Not allowed in the NBA, allowed in FIBA

Those rule differences affect the integrity of the sport, the NBA is a MUCH harder game. Why should the US be held to those rules in international competition?

BURN!

I think the river has been hit from PNC park before

I really believe SBC in San Francisco is my favourite ballpark.

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Too bad the Wizards would kick their asses.

"Now, two seconds left in game 7 of the the 2006 NBA Eastern Confrence semi-finals between the Wizards and Bucks. Game tied at 84. Gilbert Arenas pulls up to shoot the 3.............at the buzzer.........ITS GOOD! WIZARDS WIN! WIZARDS WIN! The Bucks not only lose the game but now have to go back to living in Milwaukee. What a terrible way to end the season."
http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/sports/buck/img/feb05/ga205.jpg

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

we will see Zorba. Your futile 1 game lead of the 5th spot is slowly dwindling away! We have just lost 3 straight and still are right on your tail! We still got two games left to face you clowns.

Oh in the playoffs--you dont get us....you get the Cavs. The Wiz kids are gonna get lit up by Bron' like the Hong Kong skyline. :)

And whats the problem with living in Milwaukee? At least they wouldnt have to duck and dodge bullets like Neo in the Matrix either. And if this nuclear exchange happens between the U.S. and Iran---Gilbert Arenas better watch out. He will get evaporated faster than the Nationals winning record last year. Etan Thomas, for not coming to the Bucks a year ago, will get his house taken out like the Redskins in the 2005-06 NFL Playoffs. Caron Butler will come back to the fold in his home in Racine.

we will see Zorba. Your futile 1 game lead of the 5th spot is slowly dwindling away! We have just lost 3 straight and still are right on your tail! We still got two games left to face you clowns.

Oh in the playoffs--you dont get us....you get the Cavs. The Wiz kids are gonna get lit up by Bron' like the Hong Kong skyline. :)

And whats the problem with living in Milwaukee? At least they wouldnt have to duck and dodge bullets like Neo in the Matrix either. And if this nuclear exchange happens between the U.S. and Iran---Gilbert Arenas better watch out. He will get evaporated faster than the Nationals winning record last year. Etan Thomas, for not coming to the Bucks a year ago, will get his house taken out like the Redskins in the 2005-06 NFL Playoffs. Caron Butler will come back to the fold in his home in Racine.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That is one of my favorite posts of all time! No joke!

Well we did just lose to Miami tonight. No big deal, we havent beaten them in three years.

I know that we get the Cavs in the playoffs. That's why I said we would play ou guys in the east semi finals. That probably wont happen either though. I betting that Gibert Arenas is gonna give LeBron a nice little introduction into the NBA playoffs.

As for Baseball you cant really talk about the Nats. They had the same record as the Brewers last year. By the way, congrats on starting 5-0.

Its been just another day in DC for me..............................
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Adam Dunn is the only guy that can and has gotten a splash at Cincy, when he hit that ridiculous 535 foot homer INTO THE NEXT STATE.

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/cin/ballpark/longest_hr.jsp

San Francisco and Pittsburgh are the only parks that have realistic water landings in the MLB right now. I know Norfolk's got it going on in AAA.

1. STADION SLASKI in Chorzow 48 000 spec.

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2. OLYMPIC STADIUM in WROCLAW 30 000 spec.

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3. CZESTOCHOWA 25 spec.

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