Bristol Motor Speedway
Bristol, Tennessee, USA
Capacity: 160,000

http://www.speedtv.com/_assets/library/img/large/59789_51233557.jpg

^^^^^^^^^

FIBA is better.

Bristol Motor Speedway
Bristol, Tennessee, USA
Capacity: 160,000

http://www.speedtv.com/_assets/library/img/large/59789_51233557.jpg

Theres plenty of Speedway's like that, but they're not built for the actual sport of 'speedway' they're for Nascar etc.

I think you'll find the biggest Speedway stadium is the Millenium Stadium in Cardiff, Wales (72,500-74,500)

^ Bristol is definately the biggest motorsports stadium in the world.

It differs from other motor stadiums in that it is a continious bowl, and not a series of grandstands.

Maybe correct but I believe the original poster was talking about the specific sport of speedway that needs a much smaller track than the Bristol stadium.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/fr/thumb/e/ee/Speedway.jpg/350px-Speedway.jpg

I think by "speedway" he means for motorcycle racing around a dirt ring which is very popular in Poland and other eastern and northern european countries. Thats why the stadiums shown have a dirt ring not pavement.

http://www.canalplus.pl/upload/multimedia/tapety/sport-zuzel-tapeta-1024.jpg

Gotcha

LOL, right. Those are rules for chicks.

The one thing for soccer/football will need to become big in the U.S. more then anything is for some Americans to become top tier players. If a handfull can be among the better players in the world I think that would progress the sport here.
Even if you transfered the best soccer teams to the U.S. right now I think they would only do marginally well (compared to Europe) untill Americans were seen as being as comeptitive as other top nations in terms of players.
We wouldn't have to be dominant in the sport or even among the best but our top player would have to show they are in the mix.

If MLS teams were in the champs league the extra revenue it would bring could obviously help them attract a better standard of players and hold onto any home grown talent that comes though. One thing I'd guess they'd have to their advanatge is that no single sport dominates the US in the way soccer does most of the rest of the world so many fans already follow more than one closely. Your typical British sports fan for example watchs little other than soccer for 9-10 months of the year so its going to be hard for any other sport to get people attending week in week out.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That is one of my favorite posts of all time! No joke!

Well we did just lose to Miami tonight. No big deal, we havent beaten them in three years.

I know that we get the Cavs in the playoffs. That's why I said we would play ou guys in the east semi finals. That probably wont happen either though. I betting that Gibert Arenas is gonna give LeBron a nice little introduction into the NBA playoffs.

As for Baseball you cant really talk about the Nats. They had the same record as the Brewers last year. By the way, congrats on starting 5-0.

Its been just another day in DC for me..............................
http://www.pc-wallpapers.co.uk/wallpapers/films/matrix/Neo_dodging_bullets_800.jpg

thanks! Actually, I would like to see the Wizards beat the Cavs if they match up in the first round. I hate the Cavs! Arenas is playing amazing this year. I bet all those who were saying he sucked a couple years ago have their foot in their mouth now.

And yes, a Brewers fan cannot brag. :)

-you could also hit one into the water fountains at Kaufman Stadium in K.C.

-There are also some hot tubs in Miami and Tampa Bay I think in the outfields.

D-backs have a pool in the outfield.

The biggest thing you left out is the zone rule in the NBA. FIBA rules allow full zone defenses like those in college. The NBA allows zones, but allows more of a matchup zone. They also call defensive 3-seconds. Its a much harder game to play defense in compared to FIBA. That rule totally explains the difference between most world players vs American players. The world game is much more finesse and emphasizes outside shooting, less ballhandling and more entire team oriented offenses. This gives an advantage in FIBA competition, but always requires a learning curve when entering the NBA. American players are generally longer, more athletic, have better one on one moves and tend to be stronger. The NBA game is about power and speed. Most set plays involve only two options initially with a cutter or shooter. The other two guys are usually for screening and rebounding. It creates a team of a couple of superstars with role players. Strength and quickness are much more needed to be good defenders in the NBA. I wouldn't call FIBA rules for chicks, but they are more akin to the rules of the women's game and American college basketball. They allow teams of less skill and athleticism to play with better teams. The weaknesses of players in such systems or rules are pretty much always exposed when playing with NBA rules.

The above mentions a lot of the problem the many Americans had with the last Olympic team that was chosen. It didn't have the best players for FIBA rules. A decent NBA team was chosen. True point guards and some pure shooters should have been chosen along with more passing big men. What would be interesting is if FIBA were to go to NBA rules for a couple of years. Lots of exposure would take place on the court.

^ Bristol is definately the biggest motorsports stadium in the world.

It differs from other motor stadiums in that it is a continious bowl, and not a series of grandstands.

The Indianapolis Motor Speedway is the largest motorsports stadium in the world.

One interesting thing I read in an article was how euro players train vs. americans. americans are almost always playing a game, if they have two people they play one on one, if they have 10 they play a standard game, but pickup basketball or street ball are where americans learn to play. As a result, the American game tends to resemble one on one type basketball where you guard a man and its all about the matchup. According to the article, in europe when there are two players, they might work on passing and shooting drills and refining the fundamentals rather than trying to play one on one. As a result euros tend to be better shooters and passers.

Obviously being an American I like our style better because its flashier and quicker, I grew up watching the Charlotte Hornets and schools like UNC and Duke. Nothing wrong with the European game, but it is different.

Another comparison would be canadian football vs. american football, canadians have a longer field and only 3 downs compared to 4 in america, as a result its more about passing the ball and finesse and it requires better skill players, while the american game depends more on running the ball and requires bigger and stronger offensive and defensive linemen. ONce again, its about finesse and skill vs. strength and athleticism.

Adam Dunn is the only guy that can and has gotten a splash at Cincy, when he hit that ridiculous 535 foot homer INTO THE NEXT STATE.

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/cin/ballpark/longest_hr.jsp

San Francisco and Pittsburgh are the only parks that have realistic water landings in the MLB right now. I know Norfolk's got it going on in AAA.

I think only a 1-2 guys have hit it out of Pittsburgh's park as well (that may have changed). San Francisco is the only park where balls regularly land in the water, and Barry Bonds is usually the only guy hitting them there.

Yep its Indianapolis it holds 250,000 people thats a quarter of a million

Your typical British sports fan for example watchs little other than soccer for 9-10 months of the year so its going to be hard for any other sport to get people attending week in week out.

Well there's also rugby (both codes) that have their loyal following but broadly speaking you're right. Footballs pre-emminence is unchallenged except on rare occasions such as an Ashes tour (cricket) or perhaps rugby union internationals. Even in the 'off-season' football tends to dominate the sports media with transfers and tantrums of star players. Oh and every other year theres a World Cup or European Championship.

The rules of the NBA dictate the one on one game more than anything. You see the same guys in the NBA in college playing more of a team game. Because true zones are not allowed, the best way to attack a defense is through screens, one on one or quick shots off of screens. Kid's emulate their favorite NBA stars, so that's the result on the playground. When I was coming up, everyone wanted to be like Jordan. Now, look at the guys in my generation that are in the NBA. A bunch of Jordan clones.

Parken is used once a year, for the FIM Speedway World Championship GP

http://www.speedway-team.dk/Micro-parken.jpg

The old Wembley was actually a speedway stadium.

Cardiff - Wales
Millenium Stadium

http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/3924/gallery35109400x6000zp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/2494/millenniumstadiumreadyforactio.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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Cardiff - Wales
Millenium Stadium

http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/3924/gallery35109400x6000zp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/2494/millenniumstadiumreadyforactio.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/3238/finalaction400x6007tw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

there we go, the largest speedway stadium in the World, and what a great stadium it is too

^^^^^^^^^

FIBA is better.
Yeah right. I'm American and I usually don't like it when we try to impose our will on the rest of the world but this is different, First of all, we invented and pioneered basketball. Second of all, the NBA is by far the biggest and best basketball league in the world. No other league in the world comes close to the competitiveness, excitement, and athleticism seen in the NBA. And compared to FIBA, it is immensly powerful and influental. I don't know why FIBA insists on making those outrageous and foolish rules, but whatever...

That is a truly superb world-class facility - and great to see it built at reasonable cost compared to other schemes.

The Indianapolis Motor Speedway is the largest motorsports stadium in the world.

What I was saying was that Bristol is the largest "full" motorsports stadium. Indianapolis is a series of gradnstands. Bristol is one continious bowl.

That is a truly superb world-class facility - and great to see it built at reasonable cost compared to other schemes.

^^ 25% over budget though. ;)

If you're looking at capacity, Indianpolis Motor Speedway seats 250,000!

^ We already cleared that up. Read the thread.

Here are the Dimensions

PNC Park:
Right Field:320
Right Center: 375
Center:399

SBC Park:
Right Field:309
Right Center:421
Center:399

Great American Ballpark:
Right Field:325
Center:404

Well there's also rugby (both codes) that have their loyal following but broadly speaking you're right. Footballs pre-emminence is unchallenged except on rare occasions such as an Ashes tour (cricket) or perhaps rugby union internationals. Even in the 'off-season' football tends to dominate the sports media with transfers and tantrums of star players. Oh and every other year theres a World Cup or European Championship.

Indeed, from that position its hard to get someone into another sport unless it involves their national team/players at a high level. Most of the playing seasons for the major US sports on the other hand are around 6 months arent they? that provides much more oportunity for a new sport to pickup fans.

Only used once, that I'll admit. But, Telstra Stadium in Sydney. Capacity, 83,500

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4638/telstrastadium0896lt.th.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=telstrastadium0896lt.jpg)
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Only used once, that I'll admit. But, Telstra Stadium in Sydney. Capacity, 83,500

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4638/telstrastadium0896lt.th.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=telstrastadium0896lt.jpg)
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http://www.speedway.org/programs/us/Australia/images/AUS-GP2002Stadium.jpg

83,500 capacity

I stand corrected...Telstra it is

and can people stop posting the American racetracks, they are speedways, not linked to the actual sport of 'speedway' and its stadiums

I live about 1/2 a mile from my local speedway track. It's not huge but the sound coming from it every other week is insane.

However, there is always some sport going on during every part of the year, plus football gets a heck of a lot of attention during the offseason.

Baseball: April-October

Hockey: October-June

Basketball: November-June

Football: September-January, plus a huge offseason.

Certainly not the biggest, but I'll take this opportunity to post this old classic, now sadly gone - Hyde Road, Belle Vue's former home.

http://www.speedwayplus.com/images/HydeRoad3.jpg
http://www.speedwayplus.com/images/HydeRoad6.jpg
http://www.speedwayplus.com/images/HydeRoad10.jpg
http://www.speedwayplus.com/HydeRoad.shtml

Which is the largest?Rose Bowl maybe?

why dont you just look it up. this has been discussed ad nauseum

Its not the Rose Bowl. Not even close.

http://www.sportslogos.net/images/Football/NFL/AZ_2641.gif
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http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/glendale_cardinals1.jpg

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http://www.azcardinals.com/nm_files/Image/cheerleaders/Auditions.jpg

It is the new Stadium which will be ready for the next season.

Michigan Stadium, 107,501

Other 100k+ stadiums include Tennesse's Neyland Stadium, Ohio State's Ohio Stadium, and Penn State's Beaver Stadium.

The planned expansion of Texas's Darrell K Royal Stadium will be over 110,000 people. Also there is talk of holding a few football games on the infield at racetracks like Bristol Motor Speedway in tennessee which has over 160,000 seats and Michigan International Speedway which has 137,243. I dont know how true these rumors are.

Don't forget college football and basketball

College Football: August - January
College Basketball: November - March

Also there is talk of holding a few football games on the infield at racetracks like Bristol Motor Speedway in tennessee which has over 160,000 seats and Michigan International Speedway which has 137,243. I dont know how true these rumors are.


The sightlines for that game would be HORRIBLE!!

I know Texas and Oklahoma knocked around the idea of holding the annual Red River Shootout at the Texas Motor Speedway because the Cotton Bowl wasn't meeting the schools' standards, but that idea was nixed due to logistics. I wouldn't attend a game there despite probably holding somewhere near 150,000 people.

I couldn't imagine the hate that would breed with 75k of each schools fans there.

Quit hijacking threads and making them your own.

the other thread has only 114 replies and is fine.

Thank you.

Yes but the news are old.This one is brand new.This is the first day of our future talks.

That's not how things work.

Is it possible that one of the admins could ban Maccabi please?

He is obviously the biggest moron of the forum.

PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD !!!!!!!!!!!!

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Maccabi fuck off, you're a complete idiot

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The sightlines for that game would be HORRIBLE!!

I know Texas and Oklahoma knocked around the idea of holding the annual Red River Shootout at the Texas Motor Speedway because the Cotton Bowl wasn't meeting the schools' standards, but that idea was nixed due to logistics. I wouldn't attend a game there despite probably holding somewhere near 150,000 people.

I couldn't imagine the hate that would breed with 75k of each schools fans there.

Bristol might work, but any speedway 1 mile or over is probably too large for football.

Largest NFL is FedEx Field - 90,000

Maccabi - How many warnings do you need, come on....

http://espn-att.starwave.com/photo/2006/0410/mlb_sg_newbusch02_412.jpg

It's a beauty, ain't it??? I've been to the old Busch, and I can't wait to go to the new one....... While I'm on the topic, what's the best stadium in baseball, in your opinion???

you know what they say about St. Louis ...

"Whatever doesn't happen in St. Louis, stays not happening in St. Louis"


I have to admit though.. they got it just right.

as a Cubs fan I gotta admitt it looks pretty nice. The best (or even one of the very best?) in MLB? Don't think so.

For me it would be .....
1. Wrigley
2. Fenway
3. PNC Pittsburgh
4. San Fran (whatever the call that stadium now this week).

Of the parks I've been to Miller Park is by far my favorite. (500th POST!!)

This has been done to death...

Wrigley Field blows every other stadium away. The only ones the come close are Yankee Stadium and Fenway. Wrigley has so many distinct, one of a kind features to it. There is no better atmosphere in baseball. I couldn't think of a better way of spending an afternoon than watching a Cubs game at Wrigley.

Miller is pretty darn good park. Heck, it the Cubs home away from home. I can't think of any parks in the last 15 years that I "don't like". The Rogers Center in Toronto is close though. It was a technological marvel at the time but it just looks very cold and unviting place to watch a game.

Wrigley Field blows every other stadium way. The only ones the come close are Yankee Stadium and Fenway. Wrigley has so many distinct, one of a kind features to it. There is no better atmosphere in baseball. I couldn't think of a better way of spending an afternoon than watching a Cubs game at Wrigley.



I want to Yankee stadium last year during the Cubs-Yanks series and I honestly thought the place was pretty dumpy. It lost most of whatever made it "historic" during the renovations of the 1970's and yet inside it still feels misty and dumpy (far worse then Wrigley does in comparison). Some of the sightlines in the upper deck are really bad as well. I will admitt most of the fins knew their shite though and were into the game.

The new stadium looks like it will be pretty awesome though (just wish they could have the stadium looking out towards the skyline). If you have great landscapes as you do in New York wouldn't one want to inrocperate them into the ballpark somehow?

God forbid they ever take down Wrigley I want them to having a ballaprk that faces towards the skyline looking into downtown. If you have such vistas might as well show them off.

I think European sports fans seemed to be more impressed with capacity and size then American fans (at least on this site)? Dunno why that seems to be the case.

For instance Cooke Stadium in DC is the biggest NFL stadium but I think most NFL fans would definatly not give it extra props or put it near their favorite new stadiums in the NFL.

I want to Yankee stadium last year during the Cubs-Yanks series and I honestly thought the place was pretty dumpy. It lost most of whatever made it "historic" during the renovations of the 1970's and yet inside it still feels misty and dumpy (far worse then Wrigley does in comparison). Some of the sightlines in the upper deck are really bad as well. I will admitt most of the fins knew their shite though and were into the game.

The new stadium looks like it will be pretty awesome though (just wish they could have the stadium looking out towards the skyline). If you have great landscapes as you do in New York wouldn't one want to inrocperate them into the ballpark somehow?

God forbid they ever take down Wrigley I want them to having a ballaprk that faces towards the skyline looking into downtown. If you have such vistas might as well show them off.

I couldn't have said it any better myself. I have the exact same feelings about Yankee Stadium, it's a dump. I'll contradict what I said earlier, I like Fenway the best with Wrigley as a close 2nd.

Of those I've been to:

1. Fenway Park
2. Wrigley Field
3. Citizens Bank Park
4. At&t Park (Or whatever the hell it's called)
5. Jacobs Field
6. PNC Park
7. Miller Park
8. Comerica Park
9. GABP (Cinncinati)
10. Kauffmann Stadium
11. Camden Yards
12. US Cellular Field
13. Shea Stadium
14. Yankee Stadium
15. Busch Stadium
16. Rogers Centre
17. Dolphins Stadium
18. Metrodome
19. RFK Stadium
20. Montreal Olympic Stadium

AT&T Park in San Fran, you just gotta be there

well, there are a few stadiuns in Europe with 100.000 people capacity. It seems to me that European are better. European stadiums have only SEATS. I mean real individual seats, not those benches you see in most american stadiums. Thats why european stadiums have smaller capacity.

When it comes about stadiums with benches, than MANY south american stadiums beat American stadiums... Maracanã held a crowd of 200.000 people at the 1950 World Cup final.

Actually, most American Stadiums DON'T have benches. The ones you are thinking of are college stadiums. Most pro sports stadiums are all seaters. We also don't have any terracing.......

I like the idea, too far from where I live though..........

Actually, most American Stadiums DON'T have benches. The ones you are thinking of are college stadiums. Most pro sports stadiums are all seaters. We also don't have any terracing.......

but most the NFL stadiums are about 70000 capacities. All the 100000 college stadiums use benches.

No stadium in Europe has a 100000 capacity. The closest is Barcelona (ESP) - 98934

If an exact replica of Wrigley was built, would anyone care? Or is the home of the lovable losers so loved because it is old?

Nice design, but I hate all the parking space around it, what a waste.

NFL stadiums are all about keeping up to date and having lots of luxury suites rather than capacity, thats why they are higher quality with more convienences, they are usually in urban areas, and have seating instead of benches. Colleges mainly just want to maximize capacity and money is more of a factor for colleges since they build their stadiums on things like donations and private funds. ALso tradition is a big factor with colleges, many stadiums are over 40 years old and rather than build a whole new stadium every 20 years they build on and upgrade their current ones.

No stadium in Europe has a 100000 capacity. The closest is Barcelona (ESP) - 98934

We don't use benches,we use seats. When we would use benches, a lot of stadiums easily reach 100,000 to 150,000.

And we have the biggest stadium in the world, and hey! It has benches!

Spartakiádní stadion (Strahov) - Prague
250.000 seats (stadionwelt.de)

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/tschechien/spartakiadni_stadion/100.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/tschechien/spartakiadni_stadion/180.jpg

Hey look Maccabi finally took that BIG bloody signiture out!

Nice design, but I hate all the parking space around it, what a waste.


they'll just never get it.

No stadium in Europe has a 100000 capacity. The closest is Barcelona (ESP) - 98934

Isn't the Camp Nou 120 000?

In any case, you don't need to have huge stadiums to create a memorable atmosphere...

Look at Anfield in Liverpool - only seats 45 000, measly by American stadium standards and yet it is a sight to behold (especially during European nights).

Ridiculous suggestion.

The MLS teams would get murdered by the likes of West Bromwich Albion and Sunderland nevermind the likes of Chelsea, Man Utd and Liverpool - and forget even thinking about Barcelona and Milan.

America should get rid of its stupid made up teams, and make soccer teams to work as the same club as the gridiron NFL ones. Washington Redskins soccer team, LA Raiders etc. Then they might have more resources. they could use the same colours, badges etc, increasing their merchandise ability. Europeans might take them a bit more seriously if they'd heard of them before. Mosts europeans have heard of the big gridiron sides. Bit like Real Madrid and Barca have basketball teams

And Europe should get rid of all the commercials on the jerseys.

To heat up the discussion even more, do you think MLS could be the biggest soccer league in the world? The stadiums are there if needed...is the interest there too?

Cub fans would burn down the city if they took down Wrigley.

LOL

No way, it's only the 5th most popular pro sports league in America!!!!

that last pic resembles Reliant Stadium

No way, it's only the 5th most popular pro sports league in America!!!!


he's right, plus, you got a plethora of college football, and college basketball fans

It does, I really hope the Vikings build this place, as I'm SICK if watching football indoors at the Metroshithole.......

Very true.......

What would you think about a yearly Cowboys-Texans game in Austin, similar to the Red River Rivalry.... Each team gets 42,000 tickets to sell, and they split the stadium half and half. The Texas band would play for halftime entertainment....

Football is viewed very much as a sport for poofs there.

Found that particularly strange...seeing as some of this came from ultimate frisbee or track sportsmen....

Its the mindset.

Football (Soccer) = European. The sort of person who would like Football (Soccer) = Europhiles = Middle Class Flag Burning, Fag Loving, Liberals, unpatriotic, Kerry Voting, Abortion Loving Bastards.

Yea and I can see where they get some of that from too (the diving,rolling about whilst frolicking in the grass modern footballers seem to oh-so enjoy doing) but then there are also some thunderous challenges that are seen throughout footie - not to mention those easily mistimed studs in the ankle/knee/shin ... Steven Gerrard (at least formerly) being the culprit of many.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38623000/jpg/_38623863_gerrard150.jpg

Right into the groin ... two footed .... studs up.

Soccer is just one kind of football - there are several other types of football in the world, and ignorant soccer fans posting the same complaint time after time doesn't help matters one little bit.

Well call it Association Football then.

Its the mindset.

Football (Soccer) = European. The sort of person who would like Football (Soccer) = Europhiles = Middle Class Flag Burning, Fag Loving, Liberals, unpatriotic, Kerry Voting, Abortion Loving Bastards.

Don't you think that goes a bit too far???

BTW, No one loves abortion.......

Ridiculous suggestion.

The MLS teams would get murdered by the likes of West Bromwich Albion and Sunderland nevermind the likes of Chelsea, Man Utd and Liverpool - and forget even thinking about Barcelona and Milan.

Not by Sunderland.....they're REALLY shit!

http://espn-att.starwave.com/photo/2006/0410/mlb_sg_newbusch02_412.jpg

It's a beauty, ain't it??? I've been to the old Busch, and I can't wait to go to the new one....... While I'm on the topic, what's the best stadium in baseball, in your opinion???

didn't realise theyd built a new stadium, looks cool

Bump

i like the Pittsburgh and San Fran stadiums the most

bump bump sho 'nuff!

w0rrrrrrd!!!!!!

I want see pictures of New Busch Stadium

If houston drafts Vince Young I'm all for it!!

PICK VINCE YOUNG!! (http://www3.youtube.com/watch?v=ADh52Uf2EwE)

However, there's NO WAY Jerry Jones or Casserly gives up home revenue, but it would be nice to bring some semblance of a tradition back to the No Fun League.

Not no, but hell no.

It looks just as ugly as Reliant Stadium.

Tocino=bacon.........

Tocino=bacon.........

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/positive14.jpg

LMAO.....

That's awesome...

Just wondering, was that supposed to be insulting???

Just wondering, was that supposed to be insulting???

Depends on your definition of 'insulting'.

I thought it was hilarious....

I thought it was hilarious....

We're all happy then. :)

I know they are...but then they'd probably hammer the likes of Chicago Fire anyway.

I saw a Chicago fire game on TV once. Exciting. :tongue3:

I know they are...but then they'd probably hammer the likes of Chicago Fire anyway.

I'd bet on Chicago. :)

I'm looking forward to this season relegation battles as much as the chase at the top. I hope Portsmouth go down along with Sunderland. Plus West Brom I suppose.

The MLB probably has the most varied set of stadiums in the world. They are all very unique. Anyway, on with the pics.


Ameriquest Field. Arlington, Texas

http://static.flickr.com/21/26454348_0d084509fb_b.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/22/29458307_f19a3f98a3_b.jpg


Angels Stadium. Anaheim, California

http://static.flickr.com/13/14927612_410b40b2ac_o.jpg

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AT&T Park. San Francisco, California

http://static.flickr.com/21/26223817_5d7766de8d_b.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/15/22866492_c6593326e9_b.jpg


Busch Stadium. St. Louis, Missouri

http://static.flickr.com/43/125643489_2ec2a0d78b_b.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/55/126015726_0be5757966_b.jpg


Chase Field. Phoenix, Arizona

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v339/drjoe12/2403447.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v339/drjoe12/33080051.jpg


Citizens Bank Park. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

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Comerica Park. Detroit, Michigan

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Coors Field. Denver, Colorado

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Dodger Stadium. Los Angeles, California

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Dolphin's Stadium. Miami, Florida

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Fenway Park. Boston, Massachusetts

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Great American Ball Park. Cincinnati, Ohio

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Jacobs Field. Cleveland, Ohio

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Kauffman Stadium. Kansas City, Missouri

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McAfee Coliseum. Oakland, California

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Metrodome. Minneapolis, Minnesota

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Miller Park. Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Minute Maid Park. Houston, Texas

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Oriole Park at Camden Yards. Baltimore, Maryland

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Petco Park. San Diego, California

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PNC Park. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

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RFK Stadium. Washington D.C.

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Rogers Centre (Skydome). Toronto, Ontario

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Safeco Field. Seattle, Washington

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Shea Stadium. NYC, New York

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Tropicana Field. St. Petersburg, Florida

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Turner Field. Atlanta, Georgia

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U.S. Cellular Field. Chicago, Illinois

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Wrigley Field. Chicago, Illinois

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Yankee Stadium. NYC, New York

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Wow. Great pictures.

What comes to mind as I look at this, is that most ballparks pretty much have the exact same design besides a few different features. Parks like RFK may not be the best looking, but atleast they have an original design for baseball.

BTW Why is Comercia park so small compared to all the other ballparks?

My favorite parks are Turner Field, Camden Yards, and Chase Field.

My least favorites are Tropicana Field, Dolphins Stadium, and Kauffman Park.

Wouldn't you just love to own one of those apartment buildings across the street Wrigley Field in Chicago. You can see the people have built their own little grandstands on the roof to watch the games.

You just come home from work, slip into your leisure suit, grab a slab of beer from the fridge and go up onto the roof to watch the game live.

Awesome!

p.s. Isn't Kansas City located in the state of Kansas and not in Missouri? Just like Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz?

Metrodome. Minneapolis, Minnesota

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^ i'm going there in a few weeks. :)

great thread by the way.

p.s. Isn't Kansas City located in the state of Kansas and not in Missouri? Just like Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz?

There is actually 2 Kansas City's. They sit opposite each other in Missouri and Kansas. The larger of the two is in Missouri along with the stadium :)

My least favorites are Tropicana Field....

I live in Tampa, and the Trop is definitely a shithole, despite the renovations they've been doing. They should tear the entire, outdated complex down (it wasn't even built for baseball...) and build a world class stadium to complement the other 2 we have in Tampa: Raymond James Stadium (american football) and the Forum (ice hockey). Our other 2 sports venues are amazing, and the Rays are stuck in this dump... No wonder they suck so bad :)

Heres a nice view of what the skyline looks like at Petco.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c24/SDfan12/23r5ef.jpg

And its only going to get better...

^ Very nice. Petco is one of my favourites.

I'll be catching a game at Wrigley Field this summer! Great thread and great stadiums too.

Why are American Stadiums so fuckin awesome???!!!

Fenway Park looks particularly cool. I like a bit of old school. Not so mad on the domed and multipurpose ones.The Tropicana stadium in particular looks like a dump.
All in all though, Professional Baseball stadiums are the coolest bunch of stadiums in the world.

great great thread

America stadiums are awesome simply because the USA's GDP per head is double most decent sized nations in Europe, let alone anywhere else in the world. On top of that, baseball clubs play 80 odd games in one of those stadiums a season. Even a soccer team like Man U will maybe play 40 or 50 home fixtures.

Simply put, Americans are very wealthy, have a population size hard to comprehend to the outsider and these clubs have HUGE turnover of cash. And these clubs have been at it for a century at least as well.

BTW, Yankee Stadium is my favourite. One day I'll make it over there. Its only about 20,000 km from my home.

BTW, Yankee Stadium is my favourite. One day I'll make it over there. Its only about 20,000 km from my home.

ah can guarantee ya will be disappointed when ya git dere. it'suh tip inside. I live right near it an' prob'ly know mo' than anyone else on here how bad it iz in the hood

ah can guarantee ya will be disappointed when ya git dere. it'suh tip inside. I live right near it an' prob'ly know mo' than anyone else on here how bad it iz in the hood

What?

BobtheBuilder: You better hurry. The new Yankee Stadium is set to open in 2008.

And regarding Tropicana Field..what's with the slanted roof?

And why has AT&T Park has gone through so many names?

ah can guarantee ya will be disappointed when ya git dere. it'suh tip inside. I live right near it an' prob'ly know mo' than anyone else on here how bad it iz in the hood


so annoying......


anyway, the premise is kinda right. It terms of baseball stadiums Yankee stadium is pretty dumpy. The only positives I can say about it is that the Yankee play there (not everyone would say thats positive) and it is in New York. If it was a stadium in Tampa Bay it would be considered a dump.

If you like historic and really cool stadiums I would go to Wrigley or Fenway. If you want to go to some of the best newer stadiums (which are many) then PNC in Pittsburgh and AT&T in San Fran are probably the best to hit (though Safeco, Miller, Busch, Camden Yards, and many others are also very good)

Isn't Miller Park left out here?

Re: Yankee Stadium. The dodgier the neighbourhood the better. Last time I made it to America I spent a bit of time down in south central LA in Watts and Compton. I personally found the people down there very friendly and courteous. The reputation that it has is very over exagerated. It is much better than over the border in Tijuana and Mexico City let me assure you of that. It is like Beverley Hills by comparison.

Don't care if they do pull down Yankee Stadium. Whatever one they have will do me fine. It is the team and fans that make it special. The building itself is just icing on the cake.

BTW, that stadium down in St. Petersburg looks a little dated for a dome. It needs more pennants, decorations and a new paint job to tissy it up a bit.

Re: Yankee Stadium. The dodgier the neighbourhood the better. Last time I made it to America I spent a bit of time down in south central LA in Watts and Compton. I personally found the people down there very friendly and courteous. The reputation that it has is very over exagerated. It is much better than over the border in Tijuana and Mexico City let me assure you of that. It is like Beverley Hills by comparison.

Don't care if they do pull down Yankee Stadium. Whatever one they have will do me fine. It is the team and fans that make it special. The building itself is just icing on the cake.

BTW, that stadium down in St. Petersburg looks a little dated for a dome. It needs more pennants, decorations and a new paint job to tissy it up a bit.


Fans??? There is no such thing as a Yankee "fan", they are posers who only watch games when the Yankees have the best record in the Major Leagues........ You'll be thuroughly unimpressed by Yankee Stadium.

I live right near it an' prob'ly know mo' than anyone else on here how bad it iz in the hood

No wonder you speak can't speak English, typical inner city trash....

No wonder you speak can't speak English, typical inner city trash....

moderators can we's git deez peeps banned please?? dey be mo' at home on uh BNP or KKK site than uh stadium site. pure racialist bigots we's don' need here otay buh-weet

Isn't Miller Park left out here?

:bash:


I will add it right now :)

awesome thread...but you left out Miller Park as rantanamo said!!! It is arguably one of the coolest stadiums in the U.S.

here are some pics you can use.


http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/161/z12121ff.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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moderators can we's git deez peeps banned please?? dey be mo' at home on uh BNP or KKK site than uh stadium site. pure racialist bigots we's don' need here otay buh-weet

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Moderator's, can we get these people banned please?! They would be more at home on a BNP or KKK website than on a stadium site. We don't need pure racist bigots here -- (untranslatable).

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Please type in a more translatable manner. I mean you can speak like this at home, but here in SSC I don't think to many forumers can make you out.

Miller Park is so interesting to look at! Those are very nice pictures Reddalert.

awesome thread...but you left out Miller Park as rantanamo said!!! It is arguably one of the coolest stadiums in the U.S.



It's because nobody likes Milwaukee. :jk:

great!
I always respect MLB stadiums

Miller Park is so interesting to look at! Those are very nice pictures Reddalert.

thanks! I only took the last one.

Its a pretty fun park to see a game. Sure, its not downtown...but the tailgating in the parking lots are a blast and a Milwaukee tradition.

It's because nobody likes Milwaukee.

Thats probally true. Some people hate on Milwaukee. Those people are fools though. :)

Thing I like about these stadia is they are in the city centre with a very impressive backdrop, love the ones near the ocean, it makes the sport a part of the city rather than at its periphery. Europe's stadia are more often than not in a suburb somewhere, where the land is cheap. Although interestingly a lot of cricket stadia can be in similarly central locations, guess the bat and ball games have that in common.

Thing I like about these stadia is they are in the city centre with a very impressive backdrop, love the ones near the ocean, it makes the sport a part of the city rather than at its periphery. Europe's stadia are more often than not in a suburb somewhere, where the land is cheap. Although interestingly a lot of cricket stadia can be in similarly central locations, guess the bat and ball games have that in common.

Is this why people love the Millenium Dome so much--because of its urban location in Canary Wharf?

Thats probally true. Some people hate on Milwaukee. Those people are fools though. :)
Nah, I'm kidding. I like Milwaukee.

more Miller Park

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Thing I like about these stadia is they are in the city centre with a very impressive backdrop, love the ones near the ocean, it makes the sport a part of the city rather than at its periphery. Europe's stadia are more often than not in a suburb somewhere, where the land is cheap. Although interestingly a lot of cricket stadia can be in similarly central locations, guess the bat and ball games have that in common.


Part of that is because many stadiums are at least partially funded by local governments. Baseball stadiums are sometimes a way to look at keeping people near downtown and revitalise a neighborhood.
That and also 81 games a year are played so in some locations the neighbhorhoods often thrive (or at least do well) around the ballparks.
Also by keeping stadiums closer to downtown it is easier to attrack the after work crowd (many games start at 7pm local time).

In contrast American football games are more found in the suberbs (though with exceptions) partly because only there are only 10 games per year and also tail gating is a big part of the tradition in many locales. Also since games are played in Sunday there is not as much of a need to attract the work crowd to come to a game after 5pm. More and more NFL stadiums have been located to downtown though recently though.

Fenway Park looks particularly cool. I like a bit of old school. Not so mad on the domed and multipurpose ones.The Tropicana stadium in particular looks like a dump.
All in all though, Professional Baseball stadiums are the coolest bunch of stadiums in the world.

Fenway is the Highbury of baseball

Fenway is the Highbury of baseball

You mean it's like a library and has no atmosphere?

hahaa no

maybe we could get some people to post minor league parks here as well. If any of our Japanese friends want to add their parks that would be a good addition.

Miller Park is so interesting to look at! Those are very nice pictures Reddalert.

I drive by Miller Park every day and can see it from some of the classrooms in my school, it never ceases to amaze me. The creator of this thread was right in saying that mlb stadiums are the most unique stadiums in the world. The only thing that I dislike about them is the number of ads you will find, from the scoreboards to the outfield wall. I guess the owner just wants to make money anyway he can, and I bet if I were in their shoes I'd be trying to find way to get more money out of the stadium too so I can't fault them.

Now if only we had a real Baseball stadium in Miami, or real owners :(

I like that first picture of Miller Park, rantanamo.

You mean it's like a library and has no atmosphere?

Whaattt? We got a Yankess fan here! Fenway is the best...can't get enough of it (can't get tickets either unless you wanna drop some dough).

Someone said earlier made the implication that New Yorkers are only fair-weather fans...however I'll definitely have to disagree. I used to think the same way, basically out of pure hate for the Yankees, but I can definitely say with confidence that New Yorkers are Yankee fans through and through.

Quorn: It's one way to talk like an idiot, but why be so dumb that you even type that way?

Whaattt? We got a Yankess fan here! Fenway is the best...can't get enough of it (can't get tickets either unless you wanna drop some dough).

Someone said earlier made the implication that New Yorkers are only fair-weather fans...however I'll definitely have to disagree. I used to think the same way, basically out of pure hate for the Yankees, but I can definitely say with confidence that New Yorkers are Yankee fans through and through.

Quorn: It's one way to talk like an idiot, but why be so dumb that you even type that way?

No you have no idea what he is talking about, he was referring to an English football ground.

Whaattt? We got a Yankess fan here! Fenway is the best...can't get enough of it (can't get tickets either unless you wanna drop some dough).

Someone said earlier made the implication that New Yorkers are only fair-weather fans...however I'll definitely have to disagree. I used to think the same way, basically out of pure hate for the Yankees, but I can definitely say with confidence that New Yorkers are Yankee fans through and through.

Quorn: It's one way to talk like an idiot, but why be so dumb that you even type that way?

You should have seen the attendance at Yankee games in the late 80's or early 90's. I went to a game against the White Sox in 1992 in Yankee Stadium where the attendance was probably about 8,000.

You should have seen the attendance at Yankee games in the late 80's or early 90's. I went to a game against the White Sox in 1992 in Yankee Stadium where the attendance was probably about 8,000.


Thats true. At least around New York I think in general most know their baseball yet they are spoiled, fickle, and narcissistic (they actually will try to make you beleive that economics of baseball is good as is).

Many of the fans outside of New York are into the Yanks because of the cache of the city(nothing wrong with that) or because some like to adopt front runners (which the Yanks dependably are).

yeah, you tend to see the true fans when a team is doing badly. In Milwaukee....we had to put up with a godawful Brewers team for years. Now we are good. All kinds of people are coming out of the woodwork and claming the Brewers will be playoff bound. Where these people were 5 years ago is beyond me? Surely not at County Stadium or Miller Park the first few years.

I really liked Wrigley Field when I went to see a game there last summer. It has a lot of character and is more than just a stadium like many of the venues in the pictures.

Yes, very true. Even as a football fan, Wrigley field is like the Garden of Eden,
it's a shrine to baseball...

I've read somewhere that some Americans only regard the traditional three American Sports Leagues as being major national competitions, whereas Canadians almost universally regard the NHL as a major competition?

How do most Americans see it?

My question would be to Canadians.

Do you like the idea of having American cities in what is essentially your national pastime? It would be like including New Zealand Aussie rules clubs in the AFL to us which would be as great an idea as serving warm beer in pubs.

Could the NHL ditch the US cities altogether and just have Canadian ones? Or just create a Canadian hockey comp from scratch.

Duh Canada has NHL as its major leagur sport, cause its so freeken cold there thats the only sport you can play!

^^^^^^^^^

You didn't get my point Saffer. My point was would you rather have a league with only your own cities in it and not some foreign nation. Like having Rangers and Celtic in the EPL.

Suppose it has had Yank towns in it for so long that they get used to it.

^^^^I wasnt answering you Ozboi, I was answering Lostboys question, but it is kinda dumb that Canada has to play American teams though.

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION: MONEY

^^^^^^^^^^^^

My mistake, apologies young squire.

The thought of a Canada only hockey competition when they had that strike.

I live in Detroit and it is by far the biggest sport here, even bigger the basketball, and we have the best team in the NBA. Seriously most ppl here would much rather go to a Red Wings game then a Pistons game.

Even though most Americans definatly view hockey as the 4th sport and maybe even a 2nd tier sport (which I think basketball is also in danger of becoming again) it is not like the U.S. is a hockey wasteland. Especially in its early days the teams that were in the NHL on the American cities were in cities that did have a good deal of support.
In man decades in Boston, Chicago, and Detroit (part of the original NHL six) hockey was a much harder ticket then basketball and was considered way cooler and probably just as a participated sport in many parts of those cities as basketball (an "American" sport). So in fact the NHL really grew and prospered as a U.S-Canadian bi-national league.

If Canada were to have its own league would it be able to fight with other leagues in Scandanavia, Europe, and the U.S. for all the best players teams can buy? It would make it a lot more difficult which the NHL has been able to do pretty easily.

As far as 2nd tier status in U.S. sports? Yea, it kinda is. For sure behind baseball, football, and even basketball. But in the U.S. sports scene basketball (especially since MJ left) has dropped well behind those two and is closer to hockey's status then the two majors. People often talk about "four major leagues" in the U.S. now days but I think increasingly (or maybe its a cycle of some sort) that there are two divisions of "major sport" in the U.S. Baseball/football and then basketball/hockey with soccer having a choice to join those last two in the next ten years possiably.

Lostboy: The NHL is officially one of the "4 major sports" in the U.S. However, in reality it is far from it. Although it does recieve a lot of publicity in the Northern United States, down South many other sports, including NASCAR dominate the sports market.

So, your question has a complicated answer. In the Northern/North Eastern United States the NHL is considered to be a major sports league, while in the Southern/Central United States it is not.

I live in Detroit and it is by far the biggest sport here, even bigger the basketball, and we have the best team in the NBA. Seriously most ppl here would much rather go to a Red Wings game then a Pistons game.


From all the times I've been to Detroit, it's seems as if the Lions are the most popular team in Detroit, despite the fact that they are complete losers..... The Red Wings, for as popular as they are, still appear to be behind the Pistons...

I would consider hockey a major sport, but I will say i think regard it as such subconciously.

Oh, and to answer the original question, hockey is in no way on the same level as the other three major sports, heck, most of the country has little to no hockey at all. Even here in Minnesota, the "State of Hockey", the Wild are only the 4th most popular sports team.....

Hockey is the 4th sport in just about every city in the US, but I still consider it a major sport. You have the NFL waaaaaaayyyyyy above the rest in terms of popularity and money, in the middle you have basketball and baseball, and Hockey a little below the rest. The sucess of hockey is usually dependent upon team success in the US. In North Carolina we have the Hurricanes in Raleigh. This season they have been winning and the RBC Center is packed, but two years before it was empty.

Also the NHL has had US teams since 1924, while it started out as all Canadian league, the two oldest current NHL franchises (the Toronto Maple Leafs and the Montreal Canadiens) have only been in the league since 1917, while the Boston Bruins joined in 1924. From 1942 to 1967 only six teams were in the NHL, which were the Canadiens, Maple Leafs, Bruins, Detroit Red Wings, New York Rangers, and Chicago Blackhawks. Theyre known as the Original Six and the youngest have been around since 1926. Since most current Hockey fans werent around during the days when US teams werent in it, they probably dont care that there are US teams now.

In Seattle, which has no NHL team, hockey is out of sight, out of mind. I've never heard of an effort to get the NHL here either.

In terms of what we hear about, I'd put college football as the #4 sport, followed by college basketball at #5. Our junior league hockey teams are behind that. NHL is after the junior teams.

Car racing is somewhere after rowing and bicycle racing, except there's a group making a comical attempt to get a giant subsidy for a car racing track outside Bremerton. They promise to go away if we ignore them for a little while longer.

My question would be to Canadians.

Do you like the idea of having American cities in what is essentially your national pastime? It would be like including New Zealand Aussie rules clubs in the AFL to us which would be as great an idea as serving warm beer in pubs.

Could the NHL ditch the US cities altogether and just have Canadian ones? Or just create a Canadian hockey comp from scratch.

Nah, it'd leave Canada with only 6 teams (Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa). Just look at the meagre state of the CFL.

However, it doesn't really make sense to have NHL teams in the Sunbelt. Those teams should head north.

the NHL is fine as it is. but obviosuly the fan base is more in the norther usa because more people have actually played the game when they were kids or even pond hockey..

Nah, it'd leave Canada with only 6 teams (Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa). Just look at the meagre state of the CFL.

However, it doesn't really make sense to have NHL teams in the Sunbelt. Those teams should head north.

yeah, Nashville, Dallas, Atlanta, Phoenix, Tampa, Anaheim etc? Give Milwaukee an NHL team.

Hockey's popularity, like Lacrosse and Soccer, varys from region to region. Particularly in the northern states near the Canadian border it's extremely popular, even bigger than the NFL in some places. Most Americans, unlike Canadians, rarely get the oppurtunity to play ice hockey (or any other winter sports) because of the warmer climate, so a game like hockey seems very foreign and hard to follow to someone who has never played it or had the desire to watch it when they could play a game like football, or basketball year round instead.

yeah, Nashville, Dallas, Atlanta, Phoenix, Tampa, Anaheim etc? Give Milwaukee an NHL team.
Hey hockey is pretty big here in Tampa... the arena of about 25000 sells out pretty much every game. We are in the playoffs again this year. Don't write a hockey team off just because it's in the South.

The problem is that Canadian cities are not as large as American ones. Canada only has about 10 large enough cities to be in a league such as the NHL(population of only 30 million). The reason that there are American teams is because of the competition. I think that Canadians wouldn't like to have just American teams anyways the league has more Canadian players than American so it doesn't matter.

My question would be to Canadians.

Do you like the idea of having American cities in what is essentially your national pastime? It would be like including New Zealand Aussie rules clubs in the AFL to us which would be as great an idea as serving warm beer in pubs.

Could the NHL ditch the US cities altogether and just have Canadian ones? Or just create a Canadian hockey comp from scratch.

Well there are many good American hockey markets. Canadian's don't like hockey teams in non-traditional markets though. Teams such as Nashville, Phoenix, Atlanta are kind of frowned upon.

I think overall Canadian's would like the southern teams to be dropped. Maybe keep a couple regional teams in solid markets like Dallas and LA. Keep all the teams in northern half of the US and add a couple more Canadian teams.

I've always thought of hockey as a tier below the big three, higher than soccer. Sometimes I hear that apparently Chicago is a big hockey town, but I never hear the Blackhawks mentioned when I talk sports with people. Maybe it's because they suck, I don't really know, but for as long as I can remember, Chicago sports have always revolved around football, baseball, and basketball.

But thankfully it's still well above soccer, and deservably so, hockey is much more interesting.

^ Chicago is a very good market but you are stuck with the worst owner in the NHL.

Hey hockey is pretty big here in Tampa... the arena of about 25000 sells out pretty much every game. We are in the playoffs again this year. Don't write a hockey team off just because it's in the South.

That's true, but odds are, Tampa will pull a Carolina..... Win and draw well for a couple of years, and then when they lose, all of the fans go away.....

Personnally I'd like to have Quebec city and winnipeg in the NHL. An all canadian league would be struggling to much to survive.Besides Detroit, Boston, Philadelphia are really Hockey cities. However I am sorry but I wouldn't hesitate to get rid of Atlanta Trashers and Anahein Mighty Ducks. Either way I'd like the league to come back to mental sanity: I live in Vancouver and I'm a montrealer at heart and it just hurts to think that I won't have a game between these two cities before three years. while Montreal and toronto will meet six or eight times in a season. That is just stupid.

I've always though of hockey as a tier below the big three, higher than soccer. Sometimes I hear that apparently Chicago is a big hockey town, but I never hear the Blackhawks mentioned when I talk sports with people. Maybe it's because they suck, I don't really know, but for as long as I can remember, Chicago sports have always revolved around football, baseball, and basketball.

But thankfully it's still well above soccer, and deservably so, hockey is much more interesting.


Yea, Bill Wirtz has unfortunately just about killed hockey in Chicago. He is likely the worst owner in the NHL and maybe all of sports. Before the MJ area of the Bulls it was near impossiable to get tickets to a Hawks game and the Bulls would often draw 5,000 per night (so I hear). It is hard to imagine now but the Hawks used to be a very big deal. It is for us born in then late 70's or 80's to think that was the case now though becase the Hawks are such a joke.

I think it's very much one of the major four, rather than behing the big three. Its reach is much more national than the fifth biggest league, Major League Soccer, which has a bit more than half the number of teams in the major four. Also, it's growing into markets that aren't traditionally hockey cities (Phoenix, Carolina, etc.). In a generation or two, it'll be more ingrown, I guess. Since the NHL was founded, there were both American and Canadian teams, and a lot of people don't realize how linked the two cultures still are.

Why do people call NASCAR a sport?

One of the things killing hockey in America is that two of the bigger hockey markets Boston and Chicago have two of, if not the worst two owners in the NHL.

Hockey is probably the shakiest league in the U.S. because of the fact that they oversaturated the market with teams in places they don't belong and thus the quality of the players dips. If you didn't have teams in places like Atlanta, Nashville, Anaheim, and Phoenix the quality of the players in general would go up and so would the game.

There are plenty of cities in the U.S. that are great hockey towns, just as much as Canada. I don't want to speak for Canadians but I think they'd be happier to see the NHL add teams in Canada, keep the US ones in traditional NHL markets (Detroit, Philadelphia, Chicago, Boston, Buffalo, New York, St. Louis, maybe Colorado) and subtract some of the places that were added the last 20 years. I think a lot of American hockey fans feel the same way.

Which is the more popular sport in America, football (gridiron) or baseball?

^^Football is larger as a whole nation but regionally some sports(mainly specific teams) are different then the national level. Like in Boston baseball is alot more popular then football even when the Patriots win the Superbowl, Dallas is the exact opposite. Just to clarify I know Boston/New England loves the patriots and supports them but the Red Sox are the team of Boston just like the Cowboys in Dallas. Another example is basketball in Indiana, college and pros.

^^Football is larger as a whole nation but regionally some sports(mainly specific teams) are different then the national level. Like in Boston baseball is alot more popular then football even when the Patriots win the Superbowl, Dallas is the exact opposite. Just to clarify I know Boston/New England loves the patriots and supports them but the Red Sox are the team of Boston just like the Cowboys in Dallas. Another example is basketball in Indiana, college and pros.

Agreed. It really depends on the market. Football is probably the more popular sport for the country as a whole. One of the reason's is that there's only one game a week to watch which is good for someone who doesn't have the time or want to invest a lot of time into a team/season. Plus it's faster and rougher which is a draw.

Like GP said there are regions where one is way more popular than the other. In Boston the Red Sox are clearly the number one team, even though we have the Patriots who won three Super Bowls in Five Years. It's not that the Patriots don't draw support, they sell out every game--it's just the Red Sox are huge here, the tradition and history is in our blood. It's tough to explain. Much like the Cowboys in Dallas. I'd say New York's number one team is the Yankees as well. In Wisconsin, Green Bay specifically I know the Packers are light years ahead of say the Milwaukee Brewers in terms of popularity.

And in some places like Detroit hockey and basketball are the two most popular sports. It all depends on where you are, mostly because the most popular team has been around awhile and people grow up loving that team/sport or that specific team has been good for a long time, etc. It all depends.

I think a lot of it goes for the managment of the marketing of hockey itself. Tampa is the 2nd highest in attendence, whereas a traditional NHL market like Chicago is 2nd last.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/attendance

Which is the more popular sport in America, football (gridiron) or baseball?

Football, by quite a bit, especially when you include college and high school teams........

BTW As much as I've heard some people who say basketball is on the downslide in this country, here in the Twin Cities, I've seen a HUGE drop in interest in baseball, especially with the kids..... Also, hockey is falling dramatically.......

I hear they go mad for high school football in Texas.

In Wisconsin, Green Bay specifically I know the Packers are light years ahead of say the Milwaukee Brewers in terms of popularity.

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you can say that again, sadly. The Packers are light years more popular than the Brewers and Bucks combined IN Milwaukee.

I hear they go mad for high school football in Texas.

Yes, very true.... Did you by chance see Friday Night Lights???

I've read somewhere that some Americans only regard the traditional three American Sports Leagues as being major national competitions, whereas Canadians almost universally regard the NHL as a major competition?

How do most Americans see it?

Of course hockey is considered part of the "big four".

I won't go into a great deal of specifics, but NHL attendance numbers will hit a new record this year. With the rule changes opening up the game and increasing the offense, we have a game now that more people than ever can enjoy.

Problem with hockey is that most of the fans are within in the cities of their respective teams and are probably lose interest once their team is eliminated. Again however, with a more exciting product, I'm sure that people will be more apt to watch.

Hockey has indeed spread into the US. You will see a record number of top 10 draft picks be Americans (including #1 Johnson).

Most of Chicago bleeds Cubbie blue, but it is by no means a baseball town. The Bears run this town. Too bad they had to fuck up our stadium.

I'd say the Blackhawks are just a tad under the Bulls, who decided to lose again tonight.

I consider Hockey as the 4th major sports that are equal to the NBA but not the same level as the MLB or the NFL. Can't wait til MLS joins the league.

Of course hockey is considered part of the "big four".

I won't go into a great deal of specifics, but NHL attendance numbers will hit a new record this year. With the rule changes opening up the game and increasing the offense, we have a game now that more people than ever can enjoy.

Problem with hockey is that most of the fans are within in the cities of their respective teams and are probably lose interest once their team is eliminated. Again however, with a more exciting product, I'm sure that people will be more apt to watch.

Hockey has indeed spread into the US. You will see a record number of top 10 draft picks be Americans (including #1 Johnson).

True, but odds are this is a one year binge, most of the country still would not consider the NHL to be a big four league........

I think it depends where you go in the US. Some markets like Detroit and Minnesota are hockey crazy while here in Phoenix the Coyotes are hardly talked about.

Minnesota, hockey crazy.......... :hahaha:

Minnesota, hockey crazy.......... :hahaha:

I belive Minnesota is one of the bigger hockey states...

You're right, there is somewhat of a following here, but in reality, hockey not on the level of basketball, football, baseball, and quite honestly even soccer will probably surpass it very soon.......

Awesome thread.

Despite some questionable choices when it came to stadiums, my research has lead me to conclude that the USA had by far the highest average attendances for any World Cup, with some amazing 90000+ attendances for games that would struggle to get 30000 if they were held in a European country! Just look below -

Cameroon 2 - 2 Sweden - 93194
Colombia 1 - 3 Romania - 91586
Romania 3 - 2 Argentina - 90469
Sweden 0 - 1 Brazil - 91856
Sweden 4 - 0 Bulgaria - 91500
Italy 0 - 0 Brazil - 94194
USA 2 - 1 Colombia - 93689
USA 0 - 1 Romania - 93869

The overall average attendance per match was 68991. So despite football (soccer) not even being in the top 4 sports in the USA, the USA still manages to do a big jobby on Europe!!! Makes you think!

Not one of the better World Cups for football quality (not the fault of the USA), but I still loved it as it was a great country to explore for a month. I hope the USA holds it again sometime soonish (before I die), as the new stadiums will make it even better.

the only reason of that averages is because USA 94 got also by far the biggest capacities,, I'm mean germany had 3.5 million tickets for all the tournament, and only in the first of 5 rounds of ticket sales, it recived 6 million purchace claiming more than 12 million tickets,,,,,, the tickets were sold on a lottery basis,,,,,,,,

in this world cup we will have a average per game of about 45- 50,000, but that is because there is no more seats.....

I personally attended to the Camerron vs Sweden and Colombia vs Romania games at the Rose Bowl, which was the biggest stadium used,,,,

the smalles one was JFK Stadium in Washington,, and at the moment the capacity was 55,000,,,, in Germany 2006 only 3 stadiums will have more than 55 K.....

TBH USA 94 (AKA The coca cola world cup) was one of the most crappest world cups ever, it felt very 'fake'. Diana Ross for a penalty anyone? :rofl: :rofl:

Bollocks!! Colombia v Romania would be lucky to get 45000 in Germany, let alone 90000. Russia v Cameroon in the USA got 74914, in Germany it would be about 35000. In France 98, many games were around the 30000 mark will lots of unsold tickets!! Same goes for Italia 90 and Mexico 86. Some of the Mexico stadium averages were as low as 14867, which is truly shocking!!!

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/archive/avewc.htm

If German stadiums were the same capacity as the USA ones, the average would still be far lower. There is not a hope in hell that Cameroon v Sweden would get a crowd of 93194 in Germany.

Also remember the USA is far more popolous than any one European country so they have more large stadia to host games.

If the European Union held the World Cup, I know it would not happen, I think these would be the stadiums that might be chosen.

Camp Nou, Barcelona - 98934
Wembley, London - 90000
Giuseppe Meazza, Milan - 85700
Stadio Olimpico, Rome - 82307
Bernabeu, Madrid - 80354
Stade De France, Paris - 79959
Olympiastadion, Berlin - 76065
Old Trafford, Manchester - 76000
Olympic Stadium, Athens - 74443
Allianz Arena, Munich - 69901
Estadio Da Luz, Lisbon - 65647

TBH USA 94 (AKA The coca cola world cup) was one of the most crappest world cups ever, it felt very 'fake'. Diana Ross for a penalty anyone? :rofl: :rofl:


hhmmm, I wonder why you didn't like it?? hhmmmm, I wonder???

Germany 74 and Argentina 78 will also not be very high on your list I presume!! So predictable....so predictable!!


Anyway, we are talking about attendances, not quality of football. The USA can't exactly force players to play better! I have been to 3 World Cups (soon to be 4), and in terms of enjoying my trip, the USA has been by far the best. Easily the best country to travel around out of the 3 World Cups I have been to. Japan/Korea would of been good i'm sure, but I couldn't make that one.

Cameroon v Sweden in any European country outside of Sweden would not get close to 93194, not even close!!

whats the point of the thread? another usa vs rest of the world crap?

No, just pointing out some amazing USA attendances for soccer.

Cameroon v Sweden - 93194 - AMAZING!!

No, just pointing out some amazing USA attendances for soccer.

Cameroon v Sweden - 93194 - AMAZING!!

In the crowd that day would have been a couple of Swedes and Cameroonians(sp) plus other neutals so its not like the ground was full of Americans.

hhmmm, I wonder why you didn't like it?? hhmmmm, I wonder???

Germany 74 and Argentina 78 will also not be very high on your list I presume!! So predictable....so predictable!!


Anyway, we are talking about attendances, not quality of football. The USA can't exactly force players to play better! I have been to 3 World Cups (soon to be 4), and in terms of enjoying my trip, the USA has been by far the best. Easily the best country to travel around out of the 3 World Cups I have been to. Japan/Korea would of been good i'm sure, but I couldn't make that one.

ur making assumptions there

In the crowd that day would have been a couple of Swedes and Cameroonians(sp) plus other neutals so its not like the ground was full of Americans.

I would be willing to bet that at least 80% of that crowd was Americans. Only 23 Cameroonians had the money to go to USA 94!!

No offence but I'm sure most of the Yanks that went to the game only went to see what the fuss was about. It was something new for them.

I'm sure if they get the World Cup again, only two men and a dog will turn up for most games.

No offence but I'm sure most of the Yanks that went to the game only went to see what the fuss was about. It was something new for them.

I'm sure if they get the World Cup again, only two men and a dog will turn up for most games.

+23 cameroonians :)

No offence but I'm sure most of the Yanks that went to the game only went to see what the fuss was about. It was something new for them.

I'm sure if they get the World Cup again, only two men and a dog will turn up for most games.

Why do you refuse to give the USA any credit?? 94000 turn up and they are doing wrong, 5000 turn up and they are doing wrong!! They can't win!! You are going to have a go at them no matter what they do!!

Why do you refuse to give the USA any credit?? 94000 turn up and they are doing wrong, 5000 turn up and they are doing wrong!! They can't win!! You are going to have a go at them no matter what they do!!

I'm sure they are big enough to take it.

You can't deny that it was a successful WC. But on the other hand, it would be unrealistic to think that Cameroon-Sweden would not sell out in Germany, especially when 12 million tickets have been applied for, with only 3.5 million available.

Cameroon-Sweden would get nowhere near 90000 in Germany. Not a chance. In previous European based World Cups, that type of game gets about 30-40000 even if it is in a 60000 stadium. Check the link -

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/archive/avewc.htm

Despite some questionable choices when it came to stadiums, my research has lead me to conclude that the USA had by far the highest average attendances for any World Cup, with some amazing 90000+ attendances for games that would struggle to get 30000 if they were held in a European country! Just look below -

Cameroon 2 - 2 Sweden - 93194
Colombia 1 - 3 Romania - 91586
Romania 3 - 2 Argentina - 90469
Sweden 0 - 1 Brazil - 91856
Sweden 4 - 0 Bulgaria - 91500
Italy 0 - 0 Brazil - 94194
USA 2 - 1 Colombia - 93689
USA 0 - 1 Romania - 93869

The overall average attendance per match was 68991. So despite football (soccer) not even being in the top 4 sports in the USA, the USA still manages to do a big jobby on Europe!!! Makes you think!

Not one of the better World Cups for football quality (not the fault of the USA), but I still loved it as it was a great country to explore for a month. I hope the USA holds it again sometime soonish (before I die), as the new stadiums will make it even better.

Bubomb, do you have a life???

Bubomb, do you have a life???

He does. Unfortunately, this appears to be it.

Awesome thread.

I've yet to hit up Fenway or Wrigley, but I will one day make the pilgrimage.

In the crowd that day would have been a couple of Swedes and Cameroonians(sp) plus other neutals so its not like the ground was full of Americans.


i was at that game, at the Rose Bowl, and belive me, the key for such attendances was the california hispanic population and northernmexican population that filled a high percentage, this area has a lot of football fans, and even now is a really poor area in football games, Tijuana with a metro area of 2 + million doesnt even have a mexican league team,, but still there is a huge fan base,,, I remember those days the loooooong lines to croos to the USA to get to Pasadena, ( is a 2.5 hr trip)

ass a proof, at a time ther was a tension between the hispanic comunity and the california goverment over an imnigration isuue, the former california governor gave a speech at the game, and the buuuuu was so big that you couldnt hear a single word.


still I remember to see a considerable amount of sweden fans,,,, I could't tell how many because they were spread all over the stadium

Didn't watch it....the best team in the world (England) weren't in it. In fact, I didn't even know that there was a World Cup in 1994.

No offence but I'm sure most of the Yanks that went to the game only went to see what the fuss was about. It was something new for them.



True. Most Americans probably thought they were watching baseball invitational matches between the 24 nations of world.

do you guys realize how many soccer fans there are in LA? milloins of hard core fans of teams in Europe, South America, Middle East, USA, Africa, etc. Dont generalize based on Kansas or some other sterotype you have of the USA.

If the European Union held the World Cup, I know it would not happen, I think these would be the stadiums that might be chosen.

Now that's a good thought. Who knows, with Europe becoming one super state, it might just as well happen, especially with the new rotation system.

USA was amazingly succesful in both financial terms and attendances..this wont be repeated in germany or south africa...

^^ but it did nothing for the World Cup itself, only made money for FIFA as the US is the biggest market out there, do u wonder why USA are ranked 4th by FIFA?

Cameroon-Sweden would get nowhere near 90000 in Germany. Not a chance. In previous European based World Cups, that type of game gets about 30-40000 even if it is in a 60000 stadium. Check the link -

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/archive/avewc.htm


Ze Englander: You are absoloutlty wrong and you know it :crazy2:

Ok, USA has a population of nearly 300million, germany 80 million, but: USA population density is very very low, the population density of germany is very high...as it is in whole europe...Germany is located in the middle of europe, and if the stadiums`capacities would be 200,000, there would be an average of 200,000.
The game Cameroon-Sweden (besides: Cameroon is not qualified) would have an attendance of 200,000 !!!
Sweden is not far away, allone 100,000 Seedish Guys would celebrate this game. Poland is not far away, Netherlands, England, France, Italy etc, these are all countries more or less bordering at Germany!

Another reason why you are wrong: We Germans are - as all Europeans and the rest of the worlds´residents are - real football fans!!! :pepper: Again: F O O T B A L L (real football!!!)

Not such called fans as the Americans are, drinking DIET coke and eating popcorn, and eating low carbohydrates but double sized hamburgers, and eating, and eating, and eating and needing two seats because of their fatnesses.. :bash:

Ok, that`s not real serious, but that`s what you have written derserves nothing else...
Prost! :cheers1:

but it did nothing for the World Cup itself, only made money for FIFA as the US is the biggest market out there, do u wonder why USA are ranked 4th by FIFA?

I'm not really sure thats totally true. I don't think anyone would have gone to the bother of setting up a professional (association) football league in America had it not been a condition for the deal in getting the World Cup. Whilst the game is still regarded as a carrier of liberalism, homosexuality and potentially a threat to their Republic and Constitution by many of the older Americans, it has gained in popularity, and by 2010 most American Teams will have soccer specific stadiums, something unthinkable a few years ago.

I don't think anyone would have gone to the bother of setting up a professional (association) football league in America had it not been a condition for the deal in getting the World Cup. Whilst the game is still regarded as a carrier of liberalism, homosexuality and potentially a threat to their Republic and Constitution by many of the older Americans, it has gained in popularity, and by 2010 most American Teams will have soccer specific stadiums, something unthinkable a few years ago.

http://i3.tinypic.com/wlumvd.jpg

^^ but it did nothing for the World Cup itself, only made money for FIFA as the US is the biggest market out there, do u wonder why USA are ranked 4th by FIFA?
well the team USA performance in korea was a good sign of growing investment in football in the USA...thats one good result..

Yeah, well as much as it pains me to say this (which is a lot) I don't think we are going to do nearly as well this time around.

sorry but USA's ranking of 4th makes me very suspicious of FiFA's intentions

World cup in USA was the funniest one ever. the world cup in France 1998 was the most boring one.

Bollocks!! Colombia v Romania would be lucky to get 45000 in Germany, let alone 90000. Russia v Cameroon in the USA got 74914, in Germany it would be about 35000. In France 98, many games were around the 30000 mark will lots of unsold tickets!! Same goes for Italia 90 and Mexico 86. Some of the Mexico stadium averages were as low as 14867, which is truly shocking!!!


Funny.
Germany would surely get those attendancies. Just for a start: Do you have any idea how many romanians or russians there are in Germany? Its a lot trust me.
France had low attendancies because they didnt have enough big stadiums.
France isnt a traditional "big" football nation.

Btw. The average attendancy for a Bundesliga game in Germany is around 41.000.
The average attendancy for a NFL game is lower as far as I know.

Funny.
Germany would surely get those attendancies. Just for a start: Do you have any idea how many romanians or russians there are in Germany? Its a lot trust me.
France had low attendancies because they didnt have enough big stadiums.
France isnt a traditional "big" football nation.

Btw. The average attendancy for a Bundesliga game in Germany is around 41.000.
The average attendancy for a NFL game is lower as far as I know.

not a single team in the nfl averages as low as 41000 at any of the 32 teams, though phoenix/arizona which is the worst team often, came close at 42000. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/attendance?year=2005

2005 Attendance Home Road Overall
RNK TEAM GMS TOTAL AVG PCT GMS TOTAL AVG PCT GMS TOTAL AVG PCT
1 Washington 8 716,999 89,624 111.9 8 543,276 67,909 95.2 16 1,260,275 78,767 104.0
2 NY Giants 8 628,519 78,564 99.8 8 529,118 66,139 94.1 16 1,157,637 72,352 97.1
3 Kansas City 8 623,325 77,915 98.1 8 557,385 69,673 96.1 16 1,180,710 73,794 97.1
4 NY Jets 8 619,958 77,494 98.4 8 582,723 72,840 98.4 16 1,202,681 75,167 98.4
5 Denver 8 608,790 76,098 100.0 8 558,598 69,824 95.1 16 1,167,388 72,961 97.6
6 Carolina 8 587,700 73,462 100.3 8 474,137 59,267 80.5 16 1,061,837 66,364 90.4
7 Cleveland 8 578,330 72,291 100.4 8 502,742 62,842 97.2 16 1,081,072 67,567 98.9
8 Miami 8 575,256 71,907 95.6 8 532,541 66,567 90.3 16 1,107,797 69,237 93.0
9 Buffalo 8 575,248 71,906 89.9 8 514,960 64,370 93.2 16 1,090,208 68,138 91.4
10 Atlanta 8 565,106 70,638 99.2 8 539,514 67,439 96.7 16 1,104,620 69,038 97.9
11 Baltimore 8 563,076 70,384 102.1 8 533,939 66,742 96.8 16 1,097,015 68,563 99.5
12 Green Bay 8 562,419 70,302 115.6 8 537,199 67,149 99.3 16 1,099,618 68,726 107.0
13 Houston 8 562,397 70,299 101.2 8 532,541 66,567 96.3 16 1,094,938 68,433 98.8
14 Tennessee 8 553,192 69,149 103.2 8 505,986 63,248 91.2 16 1,059,178 66,198 97.1
15 New England 8 550,048 68,756 101.1 8 586,855 73,356 98.0 16 1,136,903 71,056 99.5
16 Philadelphia 8 541,393 67,674 102.5 8 568,306 71,038 96.3 16 1,109,699 69,356 99.2
17 Seattle 8 532,954 66,619 99.4 8 534,972 66,871 96.1 16 1,067,926 66,745 97.7
18 San Diego 8 529,916 66,239 92.9 8 560,416 70,052 98.0 16 1,090,332 68,145 95.5
19 Cincinnati 8 526,469 65,808 100.4 8 542,888 67,861 97.3 16 1,069,357 66,834 98.8
20 Jacksonville 8 525,519 65,689 89.0 8 512,337 64,042 92.9 16 1,037,856 64,866 90.9
21 St. Louis 8 523,685 65,460 100.2 8 513,176 64,147 93.5 16 1,036,861 64,803 96.8
22 San Francisco 8 523,426 65,428 93.2 7 486,180 69,454 100.0 15 1,009,606 67,307 96.4
23 Tampa Bay 8 521,741 65,217 99.3 8 523,095 65,386 90.6 16 1,044,836 65,302 94.8
24 Minnesota 8 511,960 63,995 99.9 8 551,828 68,978 100.3 16 1,063,788 66,486 100.1
25 Pittsburgh 8 507,434 63,429 97.6 8 541,305 67,663 101.7 16 1,048,739 65,546 99.7
26 Dallas 8 505,258 63,157 95.9 8 575,780 71,972 101.1 16 1,081,038 67,564 98.6
27 Chicago 8 496,965 62,120 92.8 8 518,191 64,773 91.9 16 1,015,156 63,447 92.4
28 Detroit 8 492,580 61,572 94.7 8 523,979 65,497 99.8 16 1,016,559 63,534 97.3
29 Indianapolis 8 457,373 57,171 94.9 8 548,125 68,515 99.7 16 1,005,498 62,843 97.4
30 Oakland 8 418,450 52,306 83.0 8 595,011 74,376 101.4 16 1,013,461 63,341 92.9
31 New Orleans 8 417,270 52,158 65.4 8 553,408 69,176 101.2 16 970,678 60,667 81.9
32 Arizona 7 297,568 42,509 57.8 8 519,813 64,976 95.9 15 817,381 54,492 77.4

Germany is located in the middle of europe, and if the stadiums`capacities would be 200,000, there would be an average of 200,000.

The game Cameroon-Sweden (besides: Cameroon is not qualified) would have an attendance of 200,000 !!!
Sweden is not far away, allone 100,000 Seedish Guys would celebrate this game. Poland is not far away, Netherlands, England, France, Italy etc, these are all countries more or less bordering at Germany!


Germany - 1974 World Cup


BULGARIA v SWEDEN - 22500
SWEDEN v URUGUAY - 22700
AUSTRALIA v CHILE - 14861 - shocking!!
YUGOSLAVIA v ZAÏRE - 20000
HAITI v ARGENTINA - 24000
POLAND v HAITI - 23400


I guess those 100000 Swedes must have got lost on the way to the stadium!! You really are a delusionary fool!! It is quite worrying that you actually believe your own obviously insane rants!!


Yes, that's right Jerry Helmet, an average of 200000 per match and soon you will rule ZE WORLD!!

Just stick to eating sausages and listening to bad techno music young Uberspermbumfuehrer!

Germany - 1974 World Cup


BULGARIA v SWEDEN - 22500
SWEDEN v URUGUAY - 22700
AUSTRALIA v CHILE - 14861 - shocking!!
YUGOSLAVIA v ZAÏRE - 20000
HAITI v ARGENTINA - 24000
POLAND v HAITI - 23400


Lol? 1974? That was 20 years before the 94 worldcup.
at that time attendancies where very low. all around the world.



Yes, that's right Jerry Helmet, an average of 200000 per match and soon you will rule ZE WORLD!!

really? Got any plans for this colony?
btw: 200.000 per game sounds quite good doesnt it? :lol:


Just stick to eating sausages and listening to bad techno music young Uberspermbumfuehrer!

Ah no sorry. Cant have that. dont like sausages and techno. :( :(
then again I would probably prefer it over american haute cusine. :yes:


Honestly: you really are a funny whinie :lol:

Funny.
Germany would surely get those attendancies. Just for a start: Do you have any idea how many romanians or russians there are in Germany? Its a lot trust me.
France had low attendancies because they didnt have enough big stadiums.
France isnt a traditional "big" football nation.

Btw. The average attendancy for a Bundesliga game in Germany is around 41.000.
The average attendancy for a NFL game is lower as far as I know.

Most games in France were not sold out. I was there, it was easy to get tickets for most games. As seen by the link, apart from the USA, most World Cups have featured many many games with lots of unsold tickets, with Germany 74 and Mexico 86 getting crowds as low as 15000 for some games.

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/archive/avewc.htm

There will be many games at Germany 06 not sold out. Some games would get crowds of 200000 if a stadium was big enough (a potential Germany v England game would get about 2 million ticket applications), whereas other far less glamorous games will not sell out with large gaps in the stands. The tickets for these less glamorous games will now be in the hands of touts and re-sellers, so they will be 'officially' sold out, but in reality, the actual game will have large gaps in the stands with people trying to flog tickets outside the stadium.

^^ all games will easily be sold out.

honestly I dont know what you are on about here.
If you want to talk about american attendance figures then Im not the one to talk to really, as Im absolutely not intersted in american sports.
If you want to talk about the wc, than you could atleast come up with some interesting info instead of just whining around. ;)

^^ all games will easily be sold out.

honestly I dont know what you are on about here.
If you want to talk about american attendance figures then Im not the one to talk to really, as Im absolutely not intersted in american sports.
If you want to talk about the wc, than you could atleast come up with some interesting info instead of just whining around. ;)

USA had by far the highest average attendances out of any World Cup. The last World Cup in Germany had crowds as low as 14000!

There are 2 facts young sausage, so put that in your leather shorts and smoke it!

There are 2 facts young sausage, so put that in your leather shorts and smoke it!

you really are obsessed with sausages and leather arent you? :lol:
(doesnt surprise me btw)

USA had by far the highest average attendances out of any World Cup. The last World Cup in Germany had crowds as low as 14000!



big deal. On many occasions people were cramned in outdated stadiums without any roof and where asked to sit on benches.

Take the rose bowl for example. Not really a modern stadium is it?
then again that was 94 and people nowadays ask for more comfort.