mauritius gunner]Noted, would the level of luxury also have to do with the amount of funds allocated by a state dept or the wealth of a college?

In general no. Often time big time football/basketball programs pay for themselves and then some to the ponit they actually bring in BIG money and help subsidze other atheltic programs that need funding.


e.g. Foxboro = Harvard Massachusets
Stanford = Berkley University etc?

Because these two stadia are exceptionally plush, I am sure these do not reflect all college stadia. Also noted point about demand for tickets, however how often are these matches played and are they all a sell-out?

Harvard plays at Harvard stadium in Boston. They never played at Foxboro stadium. Foxboro stadium was always a pro stadium as far as I know (and not a great one at that). And Stanford is in Palo Alto and the U.of California Berkley is in Berkely (which works out).

They each have their own stadiums but neither are what I would describe as "plush" from what I know of either and are rather protypical of big time (neither are hardly among the biggest) football programs. There stadiums would certainly be nowhere be the level of modern NFL comforts and usual specs.

Please don't feed the Euros. No matter what explaination you give for something they won't listen and will have the opinion Americans are stupid. Save your words and let them wonder about why Americans don't have roofs and why our college stadiums are so big. Why are they so big...think about it.

And Foxboro Stadium wasn't a college stadium. Go do some research.

WOOOooooooooooooooooooooo!!

Yep, just testing/teasing.

:nuts: Oh p.s., Mauritius isn't in Europe....

Also noted point about demand for tickets, however how often are these matches played and are they all a sell-out?

For the major football schools, it is more rare to not sell out. Attendance will vary only by a few hundred because of how many media or people are in the suites. Even if only 99% of the stands are filled, that other 1% is usually sold well in advance and someone just had to miss. Games are each Saturday in the fall. Similar to the NFL schedule, but less games that usually stop the first week of December, then a bowl game if the team was good.


A former student of a university. I'd guess the main reason collage football is so popular is that their are not enough teams/cheap tickets on offer from the NFL to meet the demand for Gridiron/Football in the US.

This isn't the case at all. The NFL and college football are simply two different entities. If I had the money, I'd personally follow the Texas Longhorns every Saturday and the Dallas Cowboys all season on Sunday. I'm sure many feel the same. Two different atmospheres, different rules, different games. If the NFL was only drawing 10,000 per game, college stadiums would still fill up. You root for an NFL team, but once you attend a University, you are part of your schools team and spirit. That's about the best way I can describe why there is so much spirit for college teams. I am a Cowboys fan. I am a Texas Longhorn.

should point out that Stanford is totally remodeling their stadium and it will be plush. But as nomarandlee pointed out, the big programs have the big stadiums. They pay for themselves and other sports, and often get huge donations for facilities from alumni. College training facilities are on par with what you find in the NFL

It should also be pointed out that we only use these giant stadiums about 6 times a year at the most. College Football season is only 11 or 12 games long.

true, but imagine with the right schedule, a team could easily average 80,000-90,000 per game. Especially in the Big 10 or SEC.

what is an alumni??

Nothing. An alumnus is somebody who graduated from a particular university, and two or more are alumni.

It should also be pointed out that we only use these giant stadiums about 6 times a year at the most. College Football season is only 11 or 12 games long.

Good point raised, I suppose if only 11 or 12 games are played a year, it is more of an event and therefore easier to draw large crowds to college football games. But is this enough?

Surely these behemoths are costly to maintain?

Is there not a risk that these stadia could become white elephants? Is popularity for college football steadily increasing or declining?

Crazy Yanks.

a) Mainly beacause the US is a big country, with hundreds of pockets of large population centres. Despite this, and unlike most other countries in the world, the most popular sports only have a relatively small number of professional teams. Combine these two factors and you go some way to explaining the size of these stadiums - in a way, therefore, college sports (although significantly different in many ways to the professional major leagues) serve slightly similar roles to the second and third divisions in European football, for example.

b) The larger and/or most prestigious US Universities are generally quite wealthy institutions (a combination of being allowed to charge extortionate fees and a strong tradition of alumni support). As a result, they can afford to spend money on such stadiums, even if they aren't necessarily financially viable (a large number of stadiums are named after/dedicated to wealthy benefactors who have significantly contributed to construction).

c) Because of point a, the demand is there...

Good point raised, I suppose if only 11 or 12 games are played a year, it is more of an event and therefore easier to draw large crowds to college football games. But is this enough?

Surely these behemoths are costly to maintain?

Is there not a risk that these stadia could become white elephants? Is popularity for college football steadily increasing or declining?

Yes, college games are more like an event outside of the game. Especially the big rivalries like Texas-Oklahoma, Michigan-Ohio State or Notre Dame-USC. Old friends getting together, lots of partying, etc. The Florida-Georgia game is even called the World's Biggest Outdoor Cocktail Party. Make no mistake though, even vs the lowliest team, you're getting huge crowds. Such larger schools also invoke lots of state pride. You'll get celebrities and even non-alumni cheering for you if you a big state team. Most of the athletes will be homegrown if you're talking about a big state school like Texas or Alabama. People like to brag that their state produces the best talent.

I'd worry more about white elements in nations that don't have the consistent fandom. If you are Texas and your stadium seats 83,000 consistently and their's a long waiting list for tickets, then maybe its time to add 10,000 seats and modernize the stadium a little bit. Well, that's what is happening. Even if the team gets significantly worse, you still have a gameday tradition and a huge alumni base that wants to see the games. This doesn't even mention that these are old stadiums, many built in the early 1900s. There's actually an entire thread dedicated to college stadium expansion.

College football's popularity is constantly on the rise. Unless schools just drop their football programs or some heinous allegations start coming out, there should be a steady increase of fans. You are even seeing new schools like South Florida and smaller schools like Marshall, rise into the ranks of major college football. It started before the NFL and will probably be here after unless the NFL decides to go NBA on us and drop the age requirement and start a minor league. That would still make it hard as the strength, speed and skill difference in an 18 and 22 year old is massive. You pretty much never have a kid mature enough to take an NFL beating, nor do you have a kid with small enough ego to pass up playing in front of 90-100,000 people and raise one's value.

If you are to use our minor league systems, then the U.S. has a ton of professional teams. We're just sport loving maniacs.

Spartan Stadium has been filled for an Ice Hockey game I think.

There are not many stadiums anywhere that are not fit to host Champions League games. 20,000 Rangers fans and about a tenth as many Arsenal fans who visited el Madrigal in Spain will testify to that:

http://stadiony.net/pictures/esp/el_madrigal/el_madrigal03.jpg

But finals are a different matter. Since no NFL stadiums have been certified 5 star stadiums by UEFA, then none could be used for hosting a CL final.

Excellent feedback guys, keep the arguments flowing, including any pictures of famous college grounds.

Surely there must be enough of you out there who went to college and attended some of these?

Thought it would make a change from the usual NFL / NBA grounds which seem to feature a lot.

Still, nobody has answered my question earlier- surely with relatively few games played at these grounds each year (11 or 12 games), these behemoths are quite costly to maintain?

What about sponsorship and TV coverage, how often does this happen at each game, or is it only the final that is televised etc?

20,000 Arsenal fans and about a tenth as many Rangers fans who visited el Madrigal in Spain will testify to that:



pathetic and sad

I think the 5 star question for the NFL is a fair one and I'd like to play that one too

* Minimum capacity of 50,000 (5-star venues) / 30,000 (4-star venues) – individual seats with backrests. (Venues that still have individual seats without proper backrests will still continue to be accepted. In future, however, closer attention will be paid to this aspect, and which will influence the committee’s decision regarding the addition of venues to these list categories.)

Pretty much a check for the NFL. The acceptions would be Lambeau, which is mostly benches on purpose plus seated club seats. The upper endzone section of Heinz has benches and would have to change, as would the "Dog Pound" section of Cleveland Browns Stadium

* Pitch dimensions of 105 x 68 m. The field of play must be in pristine condition and be prepared accordingly for a final (quality of grass, irrigation, smooth surface, etc.).

The entire NFL playing surface is 360 feet long which is greater than 105m. The required width is 160 feet compared to 223 for UEFA width. That would require about 65 feet of extra width to be safe. or about 22 yards of total extra space. Its safe to say there is 11 yards of sideline space in the NFL. Most have been built for the 120 x 80 requirement by FIFA. Even Fedex Field(notoriously narrow) was close to the UEFA requirement without retracting seats(which it did for the women's World Cup.) Given that FIFA also approved many of the temp(some stadiums have actually temporary FIFA approved grass fields that blend into the infill turfs) and permanent grass conditions for friendlies, surface condition would not be much of an issue.

* Protective fences around the field of play are not acceptable. Venues which have such installations will not be included on the list.

Can't think of one in the NFL

* Sufficient room around the field of play for advertising boards and at least 18 TV cameras. In addition, there must be enough room between the goals and the first row of spectator seats behind both goals for a total of maximum 150 photographers.

Not much of an issue with many having FIFA dimensions already and the NFL field being longer

* First-rate dressing-rooms for both teams and the referees (equal size and furnishings for both teams, spacious, bright and clean).

try getting away without this in the NFL

* Suitable and appropriately equipped drug-testing room.

I honestly have no idea



* Floodlighting of a minimum intensity of 1,400 lux (eV) in the direction of the main camera, and of 1,000 Lux (eV) towards the other areas of the stadium, plus an efficient emergency power supply able to provide, without interruption, the same luminouslight intensity as the main lighting.

The NFL minimum is 180 footcandles. ESPN, CBS, NBC and ABC have stated the need for 250 footcandles for High Definition broadcasts. 180 footcandles = 1937 Lux. 250 footcandles = 2690 Lux. All NFL games are broadcast in Hi-definition through the networks or through DirectTV's NFL Sunday Ticket. Without knowing it, we've seen uninterrupted backup systems, which are also NFL required. 3rd backups however are not required.


* Modern security installations (access monitoring system, adequate PA system, etc.).

given

* A permanent TV surveillance system in colour that is able to monitor the movement of spectators, as well as their behaviour inside and outside the stadium. This installation must also be able to produce still shots of any troublemakers, which can then be distributed immediately to the security officers / stewards in the stadium.

Not only in place, but there are also holding cells, which is a surprise to me.

* Clear signage that everyone can understand inside and outside the stadium, as well as in its immediate vicinity.

I don't know if this means in different languages or clear legible symbols, or brail? I do know that symbols and of a certain size are required at US sporting venues of a certain size re the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990. You also have the ADAAG in the US, requiring all kinds of signage and handicapped access requirements


* Suitable covered seats for disabled spectators and their accompanying persons (minimum of two sectors with at least 50 places each). The areas for disabled spectators must be adequately equipped with toilet facilities and a refreshment bar.
[quote] * Acceptable sanitary facilities for spectators (both sexes) in terms of numbers, cleanliness and standards. Toilets without seats will no longer be accepted for spectators of either sex.
I don't know exactly what they mean by 2 sectores, but in the U.S. you have the ADAAG and Americans with Disabilities Act that easily covers such requirements. All toilet areas must provide wheelchair access. Luxury Boxes and club seating areas are required to have covered wheel chair areas. as well as the requirement of at least 1% +1 of counted seats in the main seating bowl. Meaning for 65,000 seat Texas Stadium, there must be at least 651 such spaces. In addition companion spaces must be large enough to fit a wheelchair meaning the actual number is 2% = 2. 25% of stadium routes must also be wheelchair accessible as well as their being view and patron service requirements. Very very strict.


* Provision of first-rate media facilities in terms of camera positions, working places, TV studios, etc., in accordance with the according to “UEFA Guidelines for Media Facilities”.

welcome to the invention of the press box.

* Adequate first-class facilities must be provided for VIPs, including a minimum of 150 places in the Honorary Tribune VIP box)

welcome to inordinate amounts of such places

* International airport(s) able to cope with the huge extra demands of a UEFA final (capacity for up to 60 charter flights per day in addition to normal serviceregular flights)

The U.S. is the large airport capital of the world

From looking at the criteria, the biggest problem would be places with Benches. That would include Cleveland, RCA dome, Heinz Field and Lambeau Field as of right now.

So the list would go like this:

M&T Bank Stadium
Ralph Wilson Stadium
Paul Brown Stadium
INVESCO Field
Gillette Stadium
Reliant Stadium
ALLTEL Stadium
Arrowhead Stadium
Pro Player Stadium
The Tennessee Coliseum
Giants Stadium
Network Associates Coliseum
Qualcomm Stadium
Georgia Dome
Bank of America Stadium
Soldier Field
Texas Stadium
Ford Field
Metrodome
Louisiana Superdome
Cardinals Stadium
Lincoln Financial Field
3Com Park
Qwest Field
Edward Jones Dome
Raymond James Stadium
FedEx Field

pathetic and sad
Oh I see what you've done. You've turned around what I said! Thats very clever! Some might think it pathetic and sad but I am impressed.

Good show

Oh I see what you've turned around. You've done what I said! Thats very pathetic! Some might think it sad and impressed but I am clever.

Show good

:cheers1:

Close the damn thread, it was a reaction to Comprehensive list of European football Stadiums which are NFL fit.

Close the damn thread, it was a reaction to Comprehensive list of European football Stadiums which are NFL fit.
That doesn't mean its not a topic worthy of discussion.

Who wouldn't want to see Rangers v Inter in this stadium:

http://football.ballparks.com/NFL/HoustonTexans/interior.jpg

I wouldn't.

Now Juve and AC....

Because they only play like 5 home games a year. When you count the total number of spectators in a season (not in ONE game), I guess even a club like Sunderland attracts more spectators.

If there were 10 or 15 home games, they'd be filled too. Some of these places are sold out for years.

Let these threads die please oh please!

Do some MF'ing research if you want to see pictures and learn about this retread topic. There is even a HUUUUUGE thread on this very board about college football. In fact, here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_football)

I presume US colleges can't afford roofs as none of the college stadiums have a roof!!

^^ They probably spend any spare cash on the catering facilities since food is what most Americans spend all their cash on.

http://philip.greenspun.com/images/20050813-newport-jazz-festival/fat-shirtless-guy-eating-cheeseburger-2.4.jpg

A couple of comments:

- "Plush" isn't really a word I would to describe many college stadia. Memorial Stadium in Berkeley, for example, has decaying wooden benches for seating, and only recently installed lights for night games.

- College athletic programs, including the stadiums, are paid for through alumni donations, etc. They have different funding sources than the rest of the university.

Do US stadiums have a MCDonalds in them? If not then thats an opportunity missed! $$$ down the drain!

http://www.uni.uiuc.edu/library/blog/blog_images/fastfood.jpg

^^ They probably spend any spare cash on the catering facilities since food is what most Americans spend all their cash on.

yeah....thats right. And what do Europeans spend all theirs on? Books, art work, musical instruments, art supplies, techno music? Please, come up with some better shit than that Cock-rates.

Most have more than one McDonalds in them. Up to 20 McDonalds can be found in some of new modern NFL stadiums.

oh and whats this second city of the empire shit? Sorry, but unless you are from Los Angeles.....your from the second city of some long dead empire that the U.S. now supasses---China and India in the future.

Most have more than one McDonalds in them. Up to 20 McDonalds can be found in some of new modern NFL stadiums.

Most stadiums sell their own foods.

oh and whats this second city of the empire shit? Sorry, but unless you are from Los Angeles.....your from the second city of some long dead empire that the U.S. now supasses---China and India in the future.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/0506/3e4729084cec9d6303ee.jpeg

your from the second city of some long dead empire

or one never born.

It's SHITE being Scottish! We're the lowest of the low. The scum of the fucking Earth! The most wretched miserable servile pathetic trash that was ever shat on civilization. Some people hate the English. I don't. They're just wankers. We, on the other hand, are colonized by wankers. Can't even find a decent culture to get colonized by. We're ruled by effete assholes. It's a shite state of affairs to be in, Tommy, and all the fresh air in the world won't make any fucking difference!

http://fusionanomaly.net/trainspottingtoilet.jpg

oh and whats this second city of the empire shit? Sorry, but unless you are from Los Angeles.....your from the second city of some long dead empire that the U.S. now supasses---China and India in the future.
Are all Americans as crude and uncultured as you?

Are all Americans as crude and uncultured as you?

To be honest, they are not. Unfortunately this forum seems to attract the hod dog eating, beer swilling Rednecks that love shitty sports like American Football. The kind of American you find in the middle states.

National picture of adults overweight and obesity in Scotland

On average, 40% of men in Scotland are overweight, with a BMI of 25-29.9. A further 16% are obese (BMI>30).

Pie chart showing 40% of men overweight, and 16% obese

http://www.hebs.scot.nhs.uk/learningcentre/obesity/images/32a2.gif

You're the one for me, fatty (http://www.hebs.scot.nhs.uk/learningcentre/obesity/theproblem/nationalpicture.cfm)

To be honest, they are not. Unfortunately this forum seems to attract the hod dog eating, beer swilling Rednecks that love shitty sports like American Football. The kind of American you find in the middle states.

oh please. not one pictures you posted was humorous and it's funny how much jackshit you know about American sports in general. Don't be mad because you like shitty sports such like Association Football.

To be honest, they are not. Unfortunately this forum seems to attract the haggis eating, scotch swilling Sheepfuckers that love shitty sports like log tossing. The kind of Scot you find in the glens.

Are all Americans as crude and uncultured as you?

define crude? Defending my country using true arguments? Seriously, tell me what the second city of the empire is? London? Please.

Overweight in Scotland is 1 or 2 stones. Overweight in America is 10 or 20 stones. You are not fooling anybody! When I was in Florida I had to stop and stare as I was so shocked at how fat the people were. Seriously fat people, the kind of fat that you burst out laughing when you see them on TV.

In Florida you get all these cheap restaurants that have 'all you can eat' buffets, and all the fatties pour in with their huge plates and guzzle down food with their hands. It's hilarious, the food is falling out their mouths as they are trying to stuff so much in. These 'guzzling' sessions would happen 4 or 5 times a day. It was amazing to watch!!

Overweight in Scotland is 1 or 2 stones. Overweight in America is 10 or 20 stones. You are not fooling anybody! When I was in Florida I had to stop and stare as I was so shocked at how fat the people were. Seriously fat people, the kind of fat that you burst out laughing when you see them on TV.

In Florida you get all these cheap restaurants that have 'all you can eat' buffets, and all the fatties pour in with their huge plates and guzzle down food with their hands. It's hilarious, the food is falling out their mouths as they are trying to stuff so much in. These 'guzzling' sessions would happen 4 or 5 times a day. It was amazing to watch!!

Scots are not fat, we are healthy human beings who all weigh one or two stones over the world average. In fact, we quite possibly are winning the war on obesity. Take that Somalia!
http://dunamai.com/Humor/BagdadBob/images/bagdad_bob_large.gif

that was rubbish!! c'mon, keep up with the pace!

To be honest, they are not. Unfortunately this forum seems to attract the hod dog eating, beer swilling Rednecks that love shitty sports like American Football. The kind of American you find in the middle states.

right. You mean the Midwest which is home to some of earth's highest rated universities? Per capita, a much higher number than that of any European nation? You mean the Midwest which is home to some of the most educated people in the world? You mean the Midwest, where advanced sciences are being tested, alternative fuel sources and bio medicine are being worked on by some of the brightest minds?

Come again prick, get some better material!

Overweight in Scotland is 1 or 2 stones. Overweight in America is 10 or 20 stones. You are not fooling anybody! When I was in Florida I had to stop and stare as I was so shocked at how fat the people were. Seriously fat people, the kind of fat that you burst out laughing when you see them on TV.

In Florida you get all these cheap restaurants that have 'all you can eat' buffets, and all the fatties pour in with their huge plates and guzzle down food with their hands. It's hilarious, the food is falling out their mouths as they are trying to stuff so much in. These 'guzzling' sessions would happen 4 or 5 times a day. It was amazing to watch!!

at least they arent paler than the dead. At least their teeth dont look like cave formations. And at least they dont have red pubic hair and have sexual relations with farm creatures like some of you people! Hahahahha

Yes, it is true, biogenetic engineering is the most advanced in the World in the Midwest as they are trying to create a giant cheeseburger!!

The next hot scottish girl i see will be the first
http://www.businesswomenscotland.org/asbw/images/uploaded/47%20OCB%20Finalists_400.jpg

USA USA USA
http://www.skinz.org/celebrity/jessica-alba/jessica-alba-wallpapers-3.jpg

at least they arent paler than the dead. At least their teeth dont look like cave formations. And at least they dont have red pubic hair and have sexual relations with farm creatures like some of you people! Hahahahha

again, that's rubbish!! You lot have no sense of humour. Your replies are like some rubbish American sitcom. I can almost hear the fake laughing!!

http://www.discovervancouver.com/chris/blog/Groundskeeper_Willy.jpg

Your average Scottish man

Yes, it is true, biogenetic engineering is the most advanced in the World in the Midwest as they are trying to create a giant cheeseburger!!

lol,

the only reason the Scots cloned Dolly was because of a nasty fight between two Scotsmen fighting over who would take the animals virginity. They decided the only way they could both have Dolly was to make two Dolly's.

again, that's rubbish!! You lot have no sense of humour. Your replies are like some rubbish American sitcom. I can almost hear the fake laughing!!

1. i thought it was pretty funny
2. that's me laughing at your third world country, sorry for the confusion

Whats it like being England's bitch in every respect?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/England_flag.png

'Hot' wholesome midwest American girls -

http://www.kevhead.com/images16/0813%20our%20staff%20fat%20girl.jpg

again, that's rubbish!! You lot have no sense of humour. Your replies are like some rubbish American sitcom. I can almost hear the fake laughing!!

how would you know about comedy? A person on the British Isle telling me about comedy? Your comedy is colder than your cave in winter.

^^^
love those traditional scottish traits .... green eyes, red hair, fire crotch

Heres an example of one non obese American: the redneck.

http://meetme.hotornot.com/r/?emid=GURZSRH

18 year old mother of 2. Has to be a red neck. And only in America.

'Hot' wholesome midwest American girls -

http://www.kevhead.com/images16/0813%20our%20staff%20fat%20girl.jpg

cmon, we dont need a reveling photo of your sister.

lol,

the only reason the Scots cloned Dolly was because of a nasty fight between two Scotsmen fighting over who would take the animals virginity. They decided the only way they could both have Dolly was to make two Dolly's.


poor, very poor. I didn't even manage a smile with that one!! Somebody must have better than this!!

define crude? Defending my country using true arguments? Seriously, tell me what the second city of the empire is? London? Please.
Typical ignorant American. Someone ought to tell you that schools are for learning not shooting practice.

cmon, we dont need a reveling photo of your sister.

It's not, it's your mum, and she loves Scottish Beef!!

^^^
love those traditional scottish traits .... green eyes, red hair, fire crotch

lol, yeah...like the Trolls. They live in the mountains too.

william wallace was a cocksmith and had an aussie accent.

Typical ignorant American. Someone ought to tell you that schools are for learning not shooting practice.

Silly Rabbit. Scotsmen are for ewes.

Check out this clip for thick Americans (the thick darkie is hilarious - 'I think Italy') -


http://www.extremefunnypictures.com/funnypic1145.htm

It's not, it's your mum, and she loves Scottish Beef!!

nobody likes Scottish Beef. For we all know what disgusting things are done to the beef by their "farmers".

william wallace was a cocksmith and had an aussie accent.


I'm just so offended, honestly, i'm really hurt!! I don't know how I will be able to go on!!

It's not, it's your mum, and she loves Scottish Beef!!

ok, and here's yours:

http://www.localhost.nl/stuff/images/fat-woman.jpeg

can we please grow up now? thanks

william wallace was a cocksmith and had an aussie accent.

wrong, the savior of Scotland was actually an American named Mel Gibson. :)

Check out this clip for thick Americans (the thick darkie is hilarious - 'I think Italy') -


http://www.extremefunnypictures.com/funnypic1145.htm

darkie? Shit, a Dane is a darkie to you pale ass people.

Mel Gibson is australian dick head

Please don't feed the Euros. No matter what explaination you give for something they won't listen and will have the opinion Americans are stupid. Save your words and let them wonder about why Americans don't have roofs and why our college stadiums are so big. Why are they so big...think about it.

And Foxboro Stadium wasn't a college stadium. Go do some research.

It's not just the "Euros".

'We'll make a big glass crater out of the fucking middle east for all I care' - Art the goddamn redneck.

Mel Gibson is australian dick head

sorry fool, he was born in America and moved to Aussie when his old man hit the jackpot. He lives in America now.

I can't beleive this bubomb dork has kids and presumably one of those pasty ass scottish broads. I bet his anklebiters are as fucking retarded as he is.

fuck off our college FB thread, you need to be IP banned for fucking up every thread. Go beat your extra chromosome infested brats.

sorry fool, he was born in America and moved to Aussie when his old man hit the jackpot. He lives in America now.
I don't care if he was born in an Alabama trailer park. He is still Australian.

nobody likes Scottish Beef. For we all know what disgusting things are done to the beef by their "farmers".

adds to the flavour!!

I can't beleive this bubomb dork has kids and presumably one of those pasty ass scottish broads. I bet his anklebiters are as fucking retarded as he is.

fuck off our college FB thread, you need to be IP banned for fucking up every thread. Go beat your extra chromosome infested brats.


Yes, thats right Redneck, you of course took no part in fucking this thread up!!


That's the way the mind of a Redneck works!! Always somebody else to blame!! Never himself!!

'Fat cities' league adds to Glasgow's woes
ANITA SINGH

GLASGOW has been named as one of the UK's fattest cities, according to a survey.

Its inhabitants exist on a diet of fast food and alcohol, do little exercise and spend their spare time slumped in front of the TV, the report said.

Bradford, Liverpool, Manchester and Newcastle also rank high in the obesity league. Edinburgh is placed 11th.

Southampton took the accolade of the fittest city in the UK, a title held by London for the past four years.

The annual survey was carried out by Men's Fitness magazine.

The results were based on data including the incidence of heart disease, the amount of junk food and alcohol consumed, and the level of gym membership.

Bradford was in 11th place in 2004 but shot up to fourth last year and is now in the number one spot, overtaking Manchester. Edinburgh drops one place to 11th.

Men's Fitness deputy editor, Michael Donlevy, said: "The report shows that, despite a lot of noise from the government and our country's apparent obsession with complicated fad diets, obesity is a growing threat to our health.

"Even Prince Charles has recently told us we are all lazy and overweight - and when Prince Charles starts on you, you know you're in trouble."

He added: "The truth is, as a nation we are not burning off enough of the calories we consume. You can ban smoking in pubs and arrest drunks, but who is to stop people gorging on junk food in their own front rooms?"

Related topic

It's shite being scottish (http://news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=159692006)

darkie? Shit, a Dane is a darkie to you pale ass people.

not bad, that's a bit better!

I don't care if he was born in an Alabama trailer park. He is still Australian.

sorry, but he is an American citizen.

Being fat in Glasgow is not the same as being fat in America though. If I was to look at a guy on the bus to the town and say: he looks fat, the same guy on holiday in the US would probably be the skinniest person in one of your fine College stadiums, (should he ever feel the need to watch that tacky sissy sport)

Being fat in Glasgow is not the same as being fat in America though. If I was to look at a guy on the bus to the town and say: he looks fat, the same guy on holiday in the US would probably be the skinniest person in one of your fine College stadiums, (should he ever feel the need to watch that tacky sissy sport)

lol, yeah it sure is sissy compared to some idiot throwing rocks and logs at each other. Then again, we are talking about neanderthals....who a naturally more manly.

I don't know which I'd rather be - Australian or american. They are both disgusting.

Being fat in Glasgow is not the same as being fat in America though. If I was to look at a guy on the bus to the town and say: he looks fat, the same guy on holiday in the US would probably be the skinniest person in one of your fine College stadiums, (should he ever feel the need to watch that tacky sissy sport)
"all of the fat people in your fine College stadiums"

http://i.cnn.net/si/2003/sioncampus/10/02/sioc_road_trip1007/lg_texas.jpg

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/26/261426.jpg

http://www.utexas.edu/athletics/cheer/pictures/sports/football/TX%20vs.%20Louisiana%20Lafayette/Gone%20to%20Texas.jpg

http://media.scout.com/Media/College_Football/14388_chaps_1047.JPG

yup, guys....those are called women.

Mel Gibson is Australian, end of story. He was raised there and that's what counts. It's like these daft Americans who claim to be Irish, they are not Irish, they are American as that is the country they were raised in.

I don't know which I'd rather be - Australian or american. They are both disgusting.

i've heard of jealously, but this is ridiculous. you should see a psychiatrist, you're crazy.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/sunvevo/TZ201204131855231.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/sunvevo/pom.jpg

Cheerleaders are not fat obviously, your average American is!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/sunvevo/TZ201204131855231.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/sunvevo/pom.jpg


Hey Redneck, I thought you didn't like the thread being ruined? So why are you still ruining it?

Mel Gibson is Australian, end of story. He was raised there and that's what counts. It's like these daft Americans who claim to be Irish, they are not Irish, they are American as that is the country they were raised in.

he was born here, raised in Australia, and lives here now. Two to one. Book it!

Cheerleaders are not fat obviously, your average American is!!

However, the fact remains--you will find 10,000 X the total population of Scotland of women that look that good here.

Hey Redneck, I thought you didn't like the thread being ruined? So why are you still ruining it?

i bet your retarded kids are running around in nappies, shirtless and retarded. your wife is cooking a potato in a pot of water and you're in your spot cream lit by the screen of your computer ... and to think you have a university job. ROFL. Shite state of affairs, your university system ... LOL.

come on guys. This is ridiculous

i bet your retarded kids are running around in nappies, shirtless and retarded. your wife is cooking a potato in a pot of water and you're in your spot cream lit by the screen of your computer ... and to think you have a university job. ROFL. Shite state of affairs, your university system ... LOL.

i find it hard to believe this guy has kids. easily one of the most immature people i've ever seen on these forums.

40Acres family photo -


http://blog.davisvillage.com/images/redneck.jpg

I don't know whats worse - being a cowboy or a goddamn redneck.
Put down your hamburger and get back on topic.

Yeah, it's boring now. So long Rednecks!!


http://www.laist.com/archives/redneck.jpg

Only in scotland, bottom .01% in the world
http://uk.geocities.com/ibrox_disaster/dis2.jpg

i find it hard to believe this guy has kids. easily one of the most immature people i've ever seen on these forums.


"i bet your retarded kids are running around in nappies, shirtless and retarded. your wife is cooking a potato in a pot of water and you're in your spot cream lit by the screen of your computer ... and to think you have a university job. ROFL. Shite state of affairs, your university system ... LOL."


Yes, and that's a real mature post.

God damn Rednecks.... they are just so thick they can't even see it!!!

Yeah, it's boring now. So long Rednecks!!


http://www.laist.com/archives/redneck.jpg

dude, even Europeans refer to Scots as the rednecks of Europe.

Only in scotland, bottom .01% in the world
http://uk.geocities.com/ibrox_disaster/dis2.jpg

The Memorial Service for all who died? Oh, probally after that time the ref made a bad call during one of those soccer games.

Only in scotland, bottom .01% in the world
http://uk.geocities.com/ibrox_disaster/dis2.jpg


What a lowlife scumbag, mocking the deaths of 66 innocent people!! Many were kids!!

There's always somebody who takes it TOO far.

Total scumbag!!


http://ayeready.com/ibrox/disaster.html

"i bet your retarded kids are running around in nappies, shirtless and retarded. your wife is cooking a potato in a pot of water and you're in your spot cream lit by the screen of your computer ... and to think you have a university job. ROFL. Shite state of affairs, your university system ... LOL."


Yes, and that's a real mature post.

God damn Rednecks.... they are just so thick they can't even see it!!!

1. I didn't post that
2. It doesn't disregard the fact that you're an immature moron, and even worse than that...an immature moron from scotland.

seen the sun lately?

What a lowlife scumbag, mocking the deaths of 66 innocent people!! Many were kids!!

There's always somebody who takes it TOO far.

Total scumbag!!


http://ayeready.com/ibrox/disaster.html

ohhhhh so it was during a kids soccer match then?

back to the thread theme, I really admire the american college sports system, is a way that has been proved, along decades,,

I can consider that college american football fans, athmospheres, and stadiums have more in common with international football, than the NFL or any other major american sports team..

I mean the way the fans really identifie with their team colors, how they suport them, real rivality between teams, in the NFL a lot of " suporters" are there only there for the " event",

Do you find this funny? No, I don't think you do!!


http://www.nyam.org/images/home/911web.jpg

ohhhhh so it was during a kids soccer match then?

What a lowlife you are!! No wonder people hate Americans. Mocking the deaths of 66 people including many kids!!

Yes, real tough Americans!!

1. I didn't post that
2. It doesn't disregard the fact that you're an immature moron, and even worse than that...an immature moron from scotland.

seen the sun lately?


but you call me immature and not the Redneck who posted it, thus proving that you are a bit thick!!

What a lowlife you are!! No wonder people hate Americans. Mocking the deaths of 66 people including many kids!!

Yes, real tough Americans!!

nobody is mocking the deaths of anyone.

Only in scotland, bottom .01% in the world
http://uk.geocities.com/ibrox_disaster/dis2.jpg

Even for a redneck that was low. What is the matter with you?
Innocent people dying might be part and parcel of everyday life in America and wherever American troops go, but that was uncalled for.

You're worse than an Aberdeen fan.
Disgraceful white trash. (In fact you may not be white - and even if you are you probably look black because you don't wash - but you're trash all the same.)

I'm afraid posting the funeral service of 66 innocent people as a putdown, and then making a joke about "a kids match" is mocking the dead.

If that is not mocking the dead, then neither is this - "look daddy, there's a big plane outside"

http://www.rotten.com/library/crime/terrorism/september_11/911-tower2-1.jpg


Don't like it, do you? If you don't like it then don't dish it out scumbags! The deaths of those in New York and the deaths of those at Ibrox are both terrible events, but I think the Americans on the forum have proven just how ignorant they are of of other cultures. 66 dead Scots to them is something to be joked about, but 3000 dead Anmericans is a terrible thing not to be joked about!! This is how their minds work!!

but you call me immature and not the Redneck who posted it, thus proving that you are a bit thick!!

he's merely defending himself from your ignorant posts. you're the antagonist here. and if you're so offended then be the bigger man and just stfu already!

Come on guys, let's not let this turn even uglier than it is. There's no need to mock the dead that does go a bit overboard. The pictures were funny, and the insults were all in good fun, but let's not go crazy.

I wanted to make clear I don't dislike Europeans, my initial post in this thread was and is out of frustration. You ask questions but you phrase them in such a way that you think we're morons for building these stadiums so big. If you want to know why they're so big, use google or do some research. When we answer you? Don't get pissed if/when you don't like the answers.

I've lost a lot of respect for Americans tonight.

the whole thread got derailed when some dumb fucking scum of the earth scot, piped in his fire crotch business like this:

^^ They probably spend any spare cash on the catering facilities since food is what most Americans spend all their cash on.

and then they say WE take it too far. Fucking right. Every thread is this same fucking bullshit from you fucktarded scots bitches. The very next post in the thread was a supposed picture of a fat american.

What a lowlife scumbag, mocking the deaths of 66 innocent people!! Many were kids!!

There's always somebody who takes it TOO far.

Total scumbag!!


http://ayeready.com/ibrox/disaster.html

Good.

Because in one of your brilliant fucking post a few pages ago, you said:

Tell the americans that schools are for learning, not shooting

many of those victims were children too, and you took it there first cockfag

Iggy should have been banned earlier. He adds nothing to any thread but anti-American statements. It's ridiculous.

boo hoo hoo.

You sit there and mock every American...and someone posts an old picture....then we are the bad guys?

Scum of the earth are those who mock dead children, and that was you my friend. You are the scum of the earth!!

^^^
the way you mocked dead children shot in our schools. yep.

Iggy should have been banned earlier. He adds nothing to any thread but anti-American statements. It's ridiculous.

No wonder people ahte Americans when the laugh at the deaths of 66 peoploe. Scumbags!

many of those victims were children too, and you took it there first cockfag

yeah, exactly. Obesity leads to death and many of the ones gunned down in our streets are children.

No wonder people ahte Americans when the laugh at the deaths of 66 peoploe. Scumbags!

who cares if people hate us? People hate us because they are jealous of us. You mocked us first, remember idiot?

^^^
the way you mocked dead children shot in our schools. yep.

I didn't mock any dead children in schools. Show me the post?

You have the wrong guy Redneck!!

who cares if people hate us? People hate us because they are jealous of us. You mocked us first, remember idiot?

When did I mock dead Americans first?

How stupid are you people? Can you read usernames?

I've lost a lot of respect for Americans tonight.

Way to generalize. You guys are incredible. You wonder why this thread took the turn it did? Because you guys have nothing to offer it. You have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA about anything American so instead of reading and maybe learning something, you'd rather just throw in fat comments and post pictures.

What are you guys like 10?

You dumb yanks seem to mistake genuine interest for antagonism far too often. You take offence then go on the defensive. Then you blame the Europeans and then the Scots when it goes downhill.

Look who started this thread. Look how you reacted. Look at how badly you have behaved, then APOLOGISE.

I won't think any less of you if you don't however. I don't think my opinion of you could be any worse, sadly.

it was either you or your fuckbuddy socrates, who happens to be the same fucking person you schitzophrenic. I've noticed its been conveniently deleted. puss. It was at the top of page 3.

boo hoo hoo. we are the bad guys?

I think its in your nature to be bad guys.

it was either you or your fuckbuddy socrates, who happens to be the same fucking person you schitzophrenic. I've noticed its been conveniently deleted. puss. It was at the top of page 3.

It wasn't me, so you are wrong again. The first people to start posting pics of dead people/funerals were American posters. You took it too far again!!

There is a big difference between a pic of some fat women and pics of dead people.

Will the ignorant Americans be man enought to apologize for mocking the deaths of 66 people including children?

You dumb yanks seem to mistake genuine interest for antagonism far too often. You take offence then go on the defensive. Then you blame the Europeans and then the Scots when it goes downhill.

Look who started this thread. Look how you reacted. Look at how badly you have behaved, then APOLOGISE.

I won't think any less of you if you don't however. I don't think my opinion of you could be any worse, sadly.

the first derailment was:
Crazy Yanks

followed with all of your fucking stupid fat jokes and pictures and mocking of american culture, school shootings that have tore the foundation of American society apart, and for some reason mcdonalds.

so, fuck your dead 66 children

Look who started this thread. Look how you reacted. Look at how badly you have behaved, then APOLOGISE.

apologize

it was either you or your fuckbuddy socrates, who happens to be the same fucking person you schitzophrenic. I've noticed its been conveniently deleted. puss. It was at the top of page 3.
You are such a nutcase I can't even begin to keep up. I mocked the ignorance of you Americans, not your predisposition to resort to violence. (Which as an aside - is not characteristic of European society. Perhaps we are more ciivilised than you cavemen.)

apologize
To quote an American herom Peter Griffin:

You know what really grinds my gears - when you morons butcher the English language. Learn to spell, jeez.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=apologise

1 entry found for apologise.
apologise

v 1: defend, explain, clear away, or make excuses for by reasoning; "rationalize the child's seemingly crazy behavior"; "he rationalized his lack of success" [syn: apologize, excuse, justify, rationalize, rationalise] 2: acknowledge faults or shortcomings or failing; "I apologized for being late"; "He apologized for the many typoes"

You are such a nutcase I can't even begin to keep up. I mocked the ignorance of you Americans, not your predisposition to resort to violence. (Which as an aside - is not characteristic of European society. Perhaps we are more ciivilised than you cavemen.)

^
Moors
french riots
the Crusade
The Vikings
The Norse
The Saxons
Footy riots

Fuckin retard. your culture is rooted in violence, which is why ibrox doesnt surprise me in the least.

so, fuck your dead 66 children




Absolutely shocking. I have saved a jpg of this screen for all to see. What an embarrassment to the USA this guy is!!

God, please give me the ability to reach through the internet and punch this dumb motherfucker!

I didn't mock any dead children in schools. Show me the post?

You have the wrong guy Redneck!!

You really are a dumbass aren't you?

Tell the americans that schools are for learning, not shooting

Naaah, we must have the wrong person.

^
Moors
french riots
the Crusade
The Vikings
The Norse
The Saxons

Fuckin retard. your culture is rooted in violence, which is why ibrox doesnt surprise me in the least.
What the fuck do you think happened in the Ibrox disaster? Some big bad redneck started shooting people?

Well no, you're wrong. A staircase collapsed. Innocent people died. It isn't funny you thick cunt.

Way to generalize. You guys are incredible. You wonder why this thread took the turn it did? Because you guys have nothing to offer it. You have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA about anything American so instead of reading and maybe learning something, you'd rather just throw in fat comments and post pictures.

What are you guys like 10?

No, only 10 year olds mock deaths of 66 people on forums

To quote an American herom Peter Griffin:

You know what really grinds my gears - when you morons butcher the English language. Learn to spell, jeez.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=apologise



1 entry found for apologise.
apologise

v 1: defend, explain, clear away, or make excuses for by reasoning; "rationalize the child's seemingly crazy behavior"; "he rationalized his lack of success" [syn: apologize, excuse, justify, rationalize, rationalise] 2: acknowledge faults or shortcomings or failing; "I apologized for being late"; "He apologized for the many typoes"

enunciate young one, and you will see

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=apologize

a·pol·o·gize Audio pronunciation of "apologize" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-pl-jz)
intr.v. a·pol·o·gized, a·pol·o·giz·ing, a·pol·o·giz·es

1. To make excuse for or regretful acknowledgment of a fault or offense.
2. To make a formal defense or justification in speech or writing.

v 1: acknowledge faults or shortcomings or failing; "I apologized for being late"; "He apologized for the many typoes" [syn: apologise] 2: defend, explain, clear away, or make excuses for by reasoning; "rationalize the child's seemingly crazy behavior"; "he rationalized his lack of success" [syn: apologise, excuse, justify, rationalize, rationalise]

You really are a dumbass aren't you?



Naaah, we must have the wrong person.
YOU MORON. You do have the wrong person.

You really are a dumbass aren't you?



Naaah, we must have the wrong person.


You got the wrong guy Rednecks!! I haven't mocked the deaths of ANY peopel!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/parenting/images/245/baby_crying.jpg

looks like we finally hit the jackpot of sensitivity for you douches. I have to say, its about fucking time.

http://www.redneckyachtclub.com/trailerpark.jpg

Look everybody, this is what a scumbag we have on the forum, here is the evidence. If I was an American I would be totally ashamed of this scumbag - Look at what the scumbag posted -

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/686/44449im.jpg

Look everybody, this is what a scumbag we have on the forum, here is the evidence. If I was an American I would be totally ashamed of this scumbag - Look at what the scumbag posted -

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/686/44449im.jpg

after those 9/11 pictures you posted...I'd be surprised if anyone cares

You have 5 SSC windows open! :weirdo:

But yeah, seriously, 40acres is a wrong 'un.

ooooooooo .... scary!

You've managed to be banned under at least 4 usernames that i've known about, and soon on your way to the 5th. And thats all i've KNOWN about. There are surely others. Yet, here i am, byatch.

I, for the life of me, have no clue how you avoid IP banishment.

see the sig below.

Oh, 66

ooooooooo .... scary!

You've managed to be banned under at least 4 usernames that i've known about, and soon on your way to the 5th. And thats all i've KNOWN about. There are surely others. Yet, here i am, byatch.

I, for the life of me, have no clue how you avoid IP banishment.

see the sig below.

Oh, 66


BEAST! BEAST! BEAST! BEAST!

BEAST! BEAST! BEAST! BEAST!

fucking A right. At least i know my next username after i get banned for this stupid shit.

s i x t y - s i x

40Acres has the cheek to ask where the mods are. Ironically, if they were here to answer his question he wouldn't be here to hear it.

after those 9/11 pictures you posted...I'd be surprised if anyone cares

Under the photo I posted what a terrible event it was and I was posting the pic not to mock, but to point out how Americans wouldn't like people mocking their dead. Totally different context.....although I doubt dumb Rednecks would be able to work that out!!

fucking A right. At least i know my next username after i get banned for this stupid shit.

s i x t y - s i x

You don't even care that you mocked the dead!! You are a lowlife, and i'm not joking!!

BEAST! BEAST! BEAST! BEAST!

^^^
you should have thought about that before you started mocking Columbine, Jonesboro, and Conyers.

^^^
you should have thought about that before you started mocking Columbine, Jonesboro, and Conyers.

but I didn't you thick Redneck. I didn't make those posts you dumb Redneck!! It was another poster!! How thick are you???

Here is an avatar you could use 40Acres

http://www.gersforum.co.uk/forum/images/avatars/114097223843e2b07a18b4a.jpg

this would be better -


http://www.itsonlyamovie.co.uk/cover%20scans/ANTHROPOPHAGOUS%20BEAST.jpg

Cheers man. Do you like the new Rangers top? I think its good but could be better

http://www.fsinet.or.jp/~sokaisha/rabbit/yuki.jpg

http://i1.tinypic.com/x4i2y1.jpg

Cheers man. Do you like the new Rangers top? I think its good but could be better

It's ok, a bit too light coloured for my liking!


http://www.rangersloyal.co.uk/images/new0607kit2.jpg

Here is an American NASCAR fan

http://www.thedonaldsucks.com/apparel/redneck%20donald.jpg

hahahaha, what a REDNECK!!

Looks like all the Rednecks have gone away to have sex with their sisters!! YEAH HAAAAAH, we whooped their ASS man!!!

We opened up cans of WHOOP ASS all over them!!


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2b/Redneck_Rampage_box.jpg/486px-Redneck_Rampage_box.jpg

Their behaviour was unfortunate tonight. As was their spelling

Yes, the behaviour of the forum rednecks was truly shocking tonight. They maybe drank too much moonshine, but that's no excuse. They let me down, they let you down, but most of all, they let themselves down!!

http://i1.tinypic.com/x4j8ck.jpg

Their behaviour was unfortunate tonight. As was their spelling

you spelled behavior wrong.

From looking at the criteria, the biggest problem would be places with Benches. That would include Cleveland, RCA dome, Heinz Field and Lambeau Field as of right now.

rantanamo do you have a problem with benches? I am sure some of those palaces of European football have bench style seating, some may just have standing sections alone ( no seats). One problem that US football stadiums have that may present a problem with European football is that most of the football stadiums in the US have a crown in the field,( I believe for drainage). Whereas the football fields in Europe are flat and don't have a crown in them.

you spelled behavior wrong.

No he never you fuck clump. And the word you are looking for is "incorrectly".

No he never you fuck clump. And the word you are looking for is "incorrectly".

fuck clump? :lol:

yes he did, in American english (the right kind), and no "wrong" suits my sentence just fine, thank you

lmao at you

fuck clump? :lol:

yes he did, in American english (the right kind), and no "wrong" suits my sentence just fine, thank you

lmao at you

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=behaviour

Next.

The day my spelling has to be corrected by an American is the day I kill myself.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=behaviour

Next.

obviously you have trouble reading. try again, i bolded the important part for you :|

next.

but I was probably thinking too much of you. anyone who uses "fuck clump" as an insult can't have a very high IQ

fuck clump? :lol:

yes he did, in American english (the right kind), and no "wrong" suits my sentence just fine, thank you

lmao at you
How can American English be the right kind, if it is prefixed by 'American' as in 'our own particular brand' because y'all are too dumb to learn it properly.

How can American English be the right kind, if it is prefixed by 'American' as in 'our own particular brand' because y'all are too dumb to learn it properly.

your insults are repetitive and rather tired. I suggest you find new material besides your usual

redneck, dumb american, fat, etc etc

and american english is the right kind because I use it.

fuck clump? :lol:

yes he did, in American english (the right kind), and no "wrong" suits my sentence just fine, thank you

lmao at you

Yes, and he also spelt it wrong in Hungarian, but that means fuck all you thick Bellend!!

Socrates spelt it correctly in the language he was using, just like you spelt it correctly in the language you were using!!

Just how thick are Americans? Do they do it deliberately? as it must take a lot of practice to be that thick!


Dumb fat rednecks!!

Yes, and he also spelt it wrong in Hungarian, but that means fuck all you thick Bellend!!

Socrates spelt it correctly in the language he was using, just like you spelt it correctly in the language you were using!!

Just how thick are Americans? Do they do it deliberately? as it must take a lot of practice to be that thick!


Dumb fat rednecks!!

actually I was doing it deliberately, to get under the skin of you idiots. looks like I was successful. :lol:

btw, the term "redneck" refers to someone from the southern region of the USA, which I am not. so please when you insult me, at least make sure it makes sense. thank you

We couldn't tell you were doing it deliberately as we expect such stupid comments from Americans......you fat bastard Redneck!!

Bless him, he made a mistake then tried to cover his tracks by being clever. And failed badly.

Here you go.

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/6828/spade5dn.jpg

your insults are repetitive and rather tired. I suggest you find new material besides your usual

redneck, dumb american, fat, etc etc

and american english is the right kind because I use it.
I don't remember asking you a god damn thing.
http://www.weeklyfilm.com/images/Moviepics/jules.gif

What stadium is thread about, i've totally forgotten???

We couldn't tell you were doing it deliberately as we expect such stupid comments from Americans......you fat bastard Redneck!!

no, you couldn't tell because clearly your minds haven't fully developed yet. get back to me in 15 years or so, then we'll talk.

Poor reply, D-

Bless him, he made a mistake then tried to cover his tracks by being clever. And failed badly.

Here you go.

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/6828/spade5dn.jpg

nope, carefully planned out, move by move. like a game of chess, oh, and before i forget

CHECKMATE

no, you couldn't tell because clearly your minds haven't fully developed yet. get back to me in 15 years or so, then we'll talk.

'fully' should go after 'developed' and not before. That goes for American English, too.

Here you go.

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/6828/spade5dn.jpg

Poor reply, D-

yeah, the guy who's been here for a whopping 5 days. you're one to judge.

nope, carefully planned out, move by move. like a game of chess, oh, and before i forget

CHECKMATE
Dude, that was lame, even for you.

'fully' should go after 'developed' and not before. That goes for American English, too.

Here you go.

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/6828/spade5dn.jpg

no, I'm pretty sure you're wrong.

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/6828/spade5dn.jpg

right back at ya.

Dude, that was lame, even for you.

what? a sore loser? awww, wanna play again?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2b/Redneck_Rampage_box.jpg/486px-Redneck_Rampage_box.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d115/flightrisker/lol.jpg

ok...i'm calling it, this thread is:

http://www.sillyjokes.co.uk/images/p-jokes/toilet/cat-crap.jpg

I am a college football fan, but I didn't write the UEFA 5 star regulations which state:

* Minimum capacity of 50,000 (5-star venues) / 30,000 (4-star venues) – individual seats with backrests. (Venues that still have individual seats without proper backrests will still continue to be accepted. In future, however, closer attention will be paid to this aspect, and which will influence the committee’s decision regarding the addition of venues to these list categories.)

I should point out that none of those stadiums are all benches. Only Lambeau has a significant amount.

I think the only stadium currently with a crown is Texas Stadium.

So it's settled then? All NFL Stadiums are CL fit :cheers:

This is good news for fans of college football, to have this border war remain at at the state fair in Dallas. There was talk of moving the series to a home and home after the 2007 contract expired, which would have killed a unique tradition in Dallas since 1927. This year's game will be the 101st in the series.

Dallas NEEEEEEEDS to make some improvements to the Cotton Bowl to make some of the alumni happy. Me, i'm happy the way it is ... its just 3 hours of my life once a year.

I'll post some pix of the RRS a little later.

SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/ncaa/05/04/bc.fbc.redriverrivalry.ap/index.html)

This is great fuckin news. Now can they cancel the series with Arkansas, please?

This is great fuckin news. Now can they cancel the series with Arkansas, please?

No Kidding. I for one would never care if we shut down the state of sasnakrA and put police tape around its perimeter for the rest of its existence.

Sounds good, UT and OU is definitely a must see game, though it wont be as much fun next year without Vince at QB.

Also, is OSU making a trip to Austin next year?

Both OSU's are making a trip to Austin this fall.

University of Texas Longhorns vs. University of Oklahoma Sooners at the Texas State Fairgrounds of the Cotton Bowl, Dallas, Texas.

The 50-50 Split at the 50 yard line of the Cotton Bowl. Longhorns in burnt orange and the Sooners in crimson:
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The 100th kickoff of the series in Dallas Texas, equidistant to the mile of both universities
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Lots of heroes in the game over the years ... Pete Gardere, only QB in the series to win 4 straight over the opponent, and, picured below, Vince Young, argueably the best player to ever grace the Cotton Bowl:
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/sunvevo/JC.jpg

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Texas dominates the 2005 Red River Shootout
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Texas' dominance forces Sooner fans to abandon ship
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Texas takes home the 100th 'Golden Hat' trophy
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While I like the tradition continuing, I really think the Cotton Bowl itself needs a long overdue renovations. Even the SMU (Southern Methodist University) (American) football team left the stadium when they built their brand new stadium.

They should play it in the home of football; Wembley!

that's what a brit would say

They should play it in the home of football; Wembley!

that's what a brit would say

hahahahaha...er...no.

I wouldn't want to see the game at Wembley. It is the right kind of stadium for AF but NOT FOR ME!!

I love holland!

hook 'em horns!

hahahahaha...er...no.

I wouldn't want to see the game at Wembley. It is the right kind of stadium for AF but NOT FOR ME!!

I love holland!

Well, I know the NFL commish Paul Tagliabue wanted an NFL Regular season game in Wembley, and I think Glazer wants a Bucs game at Old Trafford, but since Tags is retiring I think the Wembley game might be scratched.

The hard part about holding an American Football game in another location is that there are so few games, there are only 6 home games in college and 8 regular season home games plus 2 preseason games in the NFL. Some fanbases would riot if they lost one, especially a regular season game. Sometimes it can be done if there is a neutral location that is close by to both teams (like the Cotton Bowl).

Wrigley Field. No other stadium in baseball has a similar atmosphere. Being at Wrigley is a feeling you can't capture at any other ballpark in America. There are so many features Wrigley is known for, the ivy, seats on houses outside the park, the fans are electric, the scoreboard, Wrigleyville is an amazing neighborhood. I could go on forever.

http://www.rch.drwinters.net/LGWrigleyField.jpg

I would totally agree, if it weren't for Fenway.......

1. Wrigley - Chicago
2. Fenway - Boston
3. San Fran. Giants stadium
4. PNC Park - Pittsburgh

5. Camden Yards - Baltimore
6. Comerica Park - Detroit
7 Miller Park - Milwaukee
8. Safeco - Seattle
9. Petco - San Diego
10. Kaufmann Stadium (love those darn water falls)

it started the retro boom influencing stadiums in san diego

I never thought of PETCO Park as being one of the retro stadiums. If you look at the structure it doesn't look like anything out of the 30s. In fact, the main component of the stadium is stucco (compared to the retro bricks) and the dominant colors are blue and light sand tones (compared to the green seats). The only real retro element of the stadium is the fact that it has transformed an old building into the team's store and some seats.

AMERICANS HAVE NO NEED FOR ROOFS ON THEIR STADIUMS, THEY'RE USED TO BEING P***ED ON!

If I am going to really bitch and moan about "the elements" like some northern Europeans here do I am going to insist on a full retractable dome or nothing. What in the fark good does it do to have an ugly roof (most of them are not good looking structures in their own right) if it is not going to keep me warm during the most cold of games when the conditions really WOULD bother me.

Not much good to me (in my opinion) to have a roof that blocks out the sun and blue sky on the nice days and then doesn't do shite in terms of warming me up in the real bad ones. Give me a new stadium either give me a retractable roof or let me be under the sun and sky and enjoy the elements not some half azze compromise.

It almost looks as if some of the roof stadiums in north Europe are just compromised retractable roofs (without the bonus if keep you significantly warmer or cooler which is 90% of the point).

bubomb in his many alter-ego's lays the bait,and you lot bite everytime.Why do you bother replying to his stupid posts?.Just ignore it

I must admit, I too am surprised most American cities cannot afford roofs on their stadiums. I guess the NFL isn't as rich as some people think it is!!

Americans spend more on food than the rest of the world combined.

They spend more money on cheeseburgers than the rest of the world spends on food......................the fat cunts!

I must admit, I too am surprised most American cities cannot afford roofs on their stadiums. I guess the NFL isn't as rich as some people think it is!!

For gods sake will people stop thinking this has someting to do with money. American stadiums dont have roofs because we dont want them. Period. Who wants to sit under a roof when its sunny outside???? We spend from $500 million on the cheap end to over $1billion on the expensive ones so I don't think money is an object here.

Who would want to sit under a roof when you could sit and enjoy your cheeseburgers, beer, candy and ice cream in the sunshine ?

Baseball sucks.

Who would want to sit under a roof when you could sit and enjoy your cheeseburgers, beer, candy and ice cream in the sunshine ?


Very good point......................the fat cunts

Baseball sucks.
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For those not familiar with the NFL, I will say this................................If the NFL is doing it in their stadiums, then it must be a wise decision as far as being modern and revenue generating. You can hate those owners as much as you want, but they are the supreme league when it comes to making money, and the stadiums have evolved as such. Why do NFL stadiums have so many suites and club seats? Well, the NFL figured out in the 70's that the wealthy love to entertain at sporting events in their own luxury environs. It seems that Europe has begun to follow this as well. Why are there so many seats on the side, and fewer behind the ends? The NFL owners figured out that you can charge more for a better view, even when it is further away. Lo and behold, you're starting to see the 'saddle roofs' in Europe and Austrailia. Even the mighty Wembley is following NFL type design cues. So don't dismiss the NFL as some weirdo dierdos. They are setting the standard and those guys know how to make money.

I dunno rantamo. Ive recently read some of your posts and it seems that youre often complaining how europeans dont know anything about american sports and the money that is involved.
But to be honest how much do you know about european revenues?
Or how much do you know about football at all?
When we talk about money there is just hardly anything that could beat the european franchises.
There is far more money involved in the european game of football on a whole than in any other sport thinkable.
And your argument that Wembley is following NFL type designs is just laughable.
I also dont think that the NFL is setting the "standard" for anything that would have anything to do with european football.
Maybe you want to give an example?

Or maybe you just have to come to europe and understand how much money there is involved in competitions like the champions league and what viewing figures they get.

The game of football (As far as I know football was the first professional sport in the world) has just been around very long and I dont think that weve got anything to learn when it comes to stadium constructions,TV rights and marketing.

And if you look at the new Cardinals stadium for example you have to admit that they copied the retractable field design from european stadias like the Gelredome and the Veltins arena.

Americans spend more on food than the rest of the world combined.

Do you have a source for this?

honestly we shouldnt get carried away here ;)

Do you have a source for this?

honestly we shouldnt get carried away here ;)
http://www.funfry.com/data/514/Fat-Man-Picture001.jpg

This guy needs a wheelbarrow to carry his belly. Where is he from, I wonder

That guy won 'slimmer of the year' in America!!

Very good point......................the fat cunts

Fruity is just a ray of sunshine today isn't he??

I dunno rantamo. Ive recently read some of your posts and it seems that youre often complaining how europeans dont know anything about american sports and the money that is involved.
But to be honest how much do you know about european revenues?
Or how much do you know about football at all?
When we talk about money there is just hardly anything that could beat the european franchises.
There is far more money involved in the european game of football on a whole than in any other sport thinkable.
And your argument that Wembley is following NFL type designs is just laughable.
I also dont think that the NFL is setting the "standard" for anything that would have anything to do with european football.
Maybe you want to give an example?

Or maybe you just have to come to europe and understand how much money there is involved in competitions like the champions league and what viewing figures they get.

The game of football (As far as I know football was the first professional sport in the world) has just been around very long and I dont think that weve got anything to learn when it comes to stadium constructions,TV rights and marketing.

And if you look at the new Cardinals stadium for example you have to admit that they copied the retractable field design from european stadias like the Gelredome and the Veltins arena.


Time to be sonned from the bottom to the top.

The Cardinals stadium actually talks about Texas Stadium as one of its inspirations(built in 1971 to have a retractable roof). Retractable roofs are not a European thing. Texas Stadium was designed for it in 1971. I believe a tennis stadium in Australia and Olympic Stadium in Montreal had the first working ones, not to mention they also have Rodgers Center and Oz has Telstra Dome. The Japanese and Americans have more retractables than the rest of the world. And if you look at Veltins, it looks eerily similar to the Pontiac Silverdome designed in the late 1970s. Next.

This is not an argument about the age of the sport. And I think the world has a lot to learn from the NFL. Their rise from mediocrity has been incredible. You don't have to like that, but its true. Next.

No one has questioned the amount of money or popularity of the CL, EPL or any other European soccer league. Someone wanted to compare the NFL's TV contract, which is huge and incredible in a very crowded sports market. That's just a fact that the NFL has a bigger contract and viewership per match. Its also just a fact that the NFL is the richest sports league in the world. Forbes actually puts out an annual report on this. the top five was Man Utd. Washington Redskins, Real Madrid I believe, NY Yankees, then Dallas Cowboys. I believe of the next 20, 18 or 19 are NFL teams. Consider that the Cowboys and Yankees are both building new stadiums, and will likely rise up that list. I know soccer is huge in Europe when it comes to money. I'm not denying that. I'm just stating the fact that the NFL is incredibly huge in money, and with its very restrictive revenue rules, could likely squeeze out a lot more. Not a believe, but published fact. Next


There is far more money involved in the european game of football on a whole than in any other sport thinkable.
And your argument that Wembley is following NFL type designs is just laughable.
I also dont think that the NFL is setting the "standard" for anything that would have anything to do with european football.
Maybe you want to give an example?

Already addressed the money thing. Its stated, its published.

If you look at your own older stadium designs, as well reading what many posters say here, its obvious where the inspiration is coming from. Let's see, flatter first tiers, more bowled designs and luxury suites above each tier vs Boxes of stands that are sectioned, each with their own roofs and multiple tiers floating away from the pitch. Sounds a lot like Highbury or Old Trafford. Which one is European and which one is American? Which direction are the stadiums going? I don't see many Highbury like designs in the U.S. but I see lots of bowls with multiple tiers of luxury suites and club areas popping up in Europe. Trends that started in the 70s in the US, that have now come full circle and you are now seeing more unique seating bowls. Now you are starting to see the 'saddle roofs' in Europe. Tall, multi-tiered sideline stands with low endline stands. Funny, when I first started posting here, many here said, why do they do that at U.S. stadiums. After investigating, its not that uncommon in Europe.

As for Wembly. If it was what I'd deem as more European inspired, it would move away from the American like elements of Emirates and Da Luz, and go back to something more like Stade de France or Allianz, which I consider modern takes on European design, where the tiers fan away more evenly, rather than the flat lowest tier, plaza, steeper club tier, two rows of luxury suites, upper tier.

If you want to fight Forbes or HOK, then fine, but don't shoot the messenger.

and when are we gonna stop this can't afford roofs stuff? I'd bet if you take the NFL and/or MLB average cost per stadium, you'd find it quite high compared to any leagues around the world. You'll find unroofed stadiums that cost more than their roofed counterparts. Roofs really aren't that expensive in the grand scheme of the cost of a stadium unless it is really grand. An example is Qwest Field(big grand roof) costing less than Soldier Field. You'll find more retractable roofs in America. You'll find more complete domed stadiums as well. Its really up to each market to decide how they build their stadium. Again, do I build a roof on Soldier Field to protect people from the cold?

where are the mods on here? They should take these assclowns off this site, just like the English took away their freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom.

^ they've both been banned

^ they've both been banned

alright! :)

Rogers Centre (formally Skydome) in Toronto, ON, Canada. When full and with the roof open there is no better MLB stadium. As well, it is right smack in the middle of a thriving, vibrant, and cosmopolitan metropolis. GO JAYS GO!!

http://img431.imageshack.us/img431/1028/rogerscentre13bz.th.jpg (http://img431.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rogerscentre13bz.jpg)

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4972/img11865zr.th.jpg (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img11865zr.jpg)

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As far as the STADIUM goes, it has to be Camden Yards, Petco Park, or Blair County Stadium (Altoona, AA)

Atmosphere can be Wrigley and Fenway, sure...

Time to be sonned from the bottom to the top.

The Cardinals stadium actually talks about Texas Stadium as one of its inspirations(built in 1971 to have a retractable roof). Retractable roofs are not a European thing. Texas Stadium was designed for it in 1971. I believe a tennis stadium in Australia and Olympic Stadium in Montreal had the first working ones, not to mention they also have Rodgers Center and Oz has Telstra Dome. The Japanese and Americans have more retractables than the rest of the world. And if you look at Veltins, it looks eerily similar to the Pontiac Silverdome designed in the late 1970s. Next.

I said retractable field! Are you even reading other peoples posts??
The Gelredome and the Veltins arena with HBM have pioneered this area and now its being copied in the cardinals stadium.
There you go.
And no, the Veltins arena hasnt got much in common with the Pontiac Silverdome. Just because they look similar doesnt mean that they are.
The Silverdome is basically just a concrete bowl with a roof spanned over it.
Its not sophisticated, it hasnt got a retractable field nor a retractable roof.
And it doesnt have as much business boxes as Veltins.It doesnt even have a natural grass pitch.
Dont get me started..

Now to make it clear to you.
This is a retractable field:

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/fc_schalke_04/images/luft_02.jpg

Gelredome,the first stadium in the world with a retractable pitch completed in 1997. Almost a decade before we see a retractable field in the states :|
http://www.papendal.nl/aanbiedingen/gelredome.jpg

Thx for the attention!

Why is europe ahead in this area? Because we dont play our sport on artificial grass or rubber. We play it on propper grass.
And there arent many domed stadiums in the US that have a natural grass pitch.You know, its not difficult to raise up a concrete skeleton, put some tiers in it and span it up with a white, transparent roof.
Its not difficult as long as you have no natural grass inside.



This is not an argument about the age of the sport. And I think the world has a lot to learn from the NFL. Their rise from mediocrity has been incredible. You don't have to like that, but its true. Next.

How about underlining your claims by an example?
What does the "world" have to learn from the NFL?
What does football in europe have to learn from the NFL?
No. Its more the other way round.The NFL could for example learn how to market their sport properly outside their borders.
they could learn from the Premierleague which has succesfully promoted itself in Asia.
Thats just one example.


No one has questioned the amount of money or popularity of the CL, EPL or any other European soccer league. Someone wanted to compare the NFL's TV contract, which is huge and incredible in a very crowded sports market. That's just a fact that the NFL has a bigger contract and viewership per match. Its also just a fact that the NFL is the richest sports league in the world. Forbes actually puts out an annual report on this. the top five was Man Utd. Washington Redskins, Real Madrid I believe, NY Yankees, then Dallas Cowboys. I believe of the next 20, 18 or 19 are NFL teams. Consider that the Cowboys and Yankees are both building new stadiums, and will likely rise up that list. I know soccer is huge in Europe when it comes to money. I'm not denying that. I'm just stating the fact that the NFL is incredibly huge in money, and with its very restrictive revenue rules, could likely squeeze out a lot more. Not a believe, but published fact. Next

the NFL only has the biggest TV contract because its basically the only football league in america.
In europe we obviously cant have that.
Sure we have the championsleague, but thats just a competition and not a propper league.
If you would have a european league (some officials want that) it would surely be the richest and most successful sports franchise in the world.
Not even to mention the viewing figures which already set the standard for the rest of the bunch. ;)


If you look at your own older stadium designs, as well reading what many posters say here, its obvious where the inspiration is coming from. Let's see, flatter first tiers, more bowled designs and luxury suites above each tier vs Boxes of stands that are sectioned, each with their own roofs and multiple tiers floating away from the pitch. Sounds a lot like Highbury or Old Trafford. Which one is European and which one is American? Which direction are the stadiums going? I don't see many Highbury like designs in the U.S. but I see lots of bowls with multiple tiers of luxury suites and club areas popping up in Europe. Trends that started in the 70s in the US, that have now come full circle and you are now seeing more unique seating bowls. Now you are starting to see the 'saddle roofs' in Europe. Tall, multi-tiered sideline stands with low endline stands. Funny, when I first started posting here, many here said, why do they do that at U.S. stadiums. After investigating, its not that uncommon in Europe.

I dont know. I dont see many "low" endline stands. Just because emirates upper tier is a bit smaller behind the goals doesnt mean that its an american design.
What kind of joke is that?
It has always been the case in football stadiums that the main stands, which are usually the stands on the sidelines are the biggest as you have the best view.
Hardly an american invention.
And multi-tired stadiums have been around since quite a while in europe. Seems that you like to forget that.
Barcelona and the Bernabeu could be mentioned. they are stadiums that have been enlarged over the time to accomodate the growing number of fans.
And no: Flatter tiers arent popular in Europe. Quite the opposite. Fans loathe flat tiers. And Emirates only got flat lower tiers because they dont have enough space to accomodate 60k in a stadium with steep tiers. Its saves space, is much cheaper but its not good for the fan.
The fans want steep tiers. As seen in the new Allianz arena.

To summ it up: Sure european stadiums copied some stuff thats going on in the US. But so do american stadiums (just seen with Cardinals). And you just like to deny that for whatever reason.
We (here in Europe) are certainly pushing the boundaries more recently when it comes to new stadium concepts, designs and techinical solutions

Just my two cents. :)

I said retractable field! Are you even reading other peoples posts??
The Gelredome and the Veltins arena with HBM have pioneered this area and now its being copied in the cardinals stadium.
There you go.
And no, the Veltins arena hasnt got much in common with the Pontiac Silverdome. Just because they look similar doesnt mean that they are.
The Silverdome is basically just a concrete bowl with a roof spanned over it.
Its not sophisticated, it hasnt got a retractable field nor a retractable roof.
And it doesnt have as much business boxes as Veltins.It doesnt even have a natural grass pitch.
Dont get me started..

I believe the first retractable field was in Japan. The designers of AZ Cardinals stadium tout need, not copying another stadium. And I'm sorry. Veltins looks just like the Silverdome. Don't care what it has and doesn't have. Don't get me started.

I know what a retractable field is, expert.http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/fc_schalke_04/images/luft_02.jpg

Gelredome,the first stadium in the world with a retractable pitch completed in 1997. Almost a decade before we see a retractable field in the states :|
http://www.papendal.nl/aanbiedingen/gelredome.jpg

Thx for the attention!

Why is europe ahead in this area? Because we dont play our sport on artificial grass or rubber. We play it on propper grass.
And there arent many domed stadiums in the US that have a natural grass pitch.You know, its not difficult to raise up a concrete skeleton, put some tiers in it and span it up with a white, transparent roof.
Its not difficult as long as you have no natural grass inside.

- True that you have more retractable fields and had them first. Congratulations.
- False that you only play on grass. Disproven by posters here.
- If the domes choose to play on grass, they can. The temporary grass pitch was approved by FIFA for the 1994 World Cup and is often used for friendlies. The tray system has also been used by some teams such as the New York teams and Houston Texans. Its not that difficult of a thing to do.
- Building a dome is a lot more costly and structurally difficult than building a light material roof held up by guy wires or small concrete stand roofs. Its just not that hard of a thing. Domed roofs are especially more sturdy. Colder areas have to worry about things like snow weight in the middle of the structure that a smaller stand roof doesn't.
- For the football ignorant, Artificial turf is a faster playing surface for football(American Football). Teams often stick with it as an advantage and build their teams around speed rather than power. St. Louis of the late 90s and the current Indianapolis Colts are two examples.
- In colder climates, unless you're going to build a giant greenhouse, a retractable field probably won't do all that much for a proper playing surface. Would be funny for the Vikings to roll in a dead surface. That's probably why some of your Nordic countries play on artificial surfaces.



How about underlining your claims by an example?
What does the "world" have to learn from the NFL?
What does football in europe have to learn from the NFL?
No. Its more the other way round.The NFL could for example learn how to market their sport properly outside their borders.
they could learn from the Premierleague which has succesfully promoted itself in Asia.
Thats just one example.

Examples:

- NFL revenue sharing system(salary cap included). The NFL was not dominant until the last 10 years. Before it was like any other sport. Teams totally made their own revenue. You had the rich(Dallas, San Fran, Chicago, NY, Philly, Washington) and everyone else. Just look at the Superbowl champs from '85-95. They come from that rich list. Since free agency, revenue sharing and salary cap the NFL has surged with more equalized competition. More fan interest when more teams have an actual chance. Its simple and some greedy owners may hate it. You can say what you want, but again, your own countrymen here have been calling for it.

- The luxury suite. Because of the above, stadium revenue became the mainstay of keepable revenue for a team. Big way for a team to make money. It started at Texas Stadium in the 70's. Now its spreading around the world and is probably a mainstay forever.

- Stadium design. I see it already and ties into the above.

- The NFL can learn globalization better. The NBA has kicked their butt in that regard.




the NFL only has the biggest TV contract because its basically the only football league in america.
In europe we obviously cant have that.
Sure we have the championsleague, but thats just a competition and not a propper league.
If you would have a european league (some officials want that) it would surely be the richest and most successful sports franchise in the world.
Not even to mention the viewing figures which already set the standard for the rest of the bunch. ;)

Density, and not the good kind. Why would you compare a European League(continent) vs NFL( a national league). You'd have nearly double the population. I would hope that would be a bigger contract.

I repeat...............The NFL is not the only football league in America. College football has greater attendance, but a much more fractured television audience, which reduces the worth per ad though it has a lot more teams(117). If you read any other threads you'd know the difference though. During the NFL season, you have the NBA, College Basketball, MLS, NHL, NASCAR and the Major League Baseball penant races, playoffs and World Series. These are all super popular in America and the NFL has to compete TV dollars with them during its own season. The NFL still crushes them all I know its hard to understand a non-soccer sport being that popular, but it just is, and it continues to increase its television revenue year after year. I'm sorry, I don't care what could be for a continent. I'm talking about the here and now for one nation and its popularity HERE. Don't care if you hate me or the sport. Its doing damn well for such a domestic sport. Sour Grapes!!!! Does anyone disagree?




To summ it up: Sure european stadiums copied some stuff thats going on in the US. But so do american stadiums (just seen with Cardinals). And you just like to deny that for whatever reason.
We (here in Europe) are certainly pushing the boundaries more recently when it comes to new stadium concepts, designs and techinical solutions

Just my two cents. :)[/QUOTE]

GOD DAMNIT!!!! (not apologizing for that. these new posters come on here every year and drive me friggin mad) Have you ever read anything I've said denying that each continent borrows from each other. A lot of the stadiums are designed by the same people. I know from reading those last few paragraphs that you read NOTHING that I typed. Dude, you're arguing with the same examples I did for what was more European. Then you totally just flat out not understand. Dude, YOUR OWN COUNTRYMEN have complained on this board countless times about the American Football design that a place like Manchester City has. The same posters who ask why the hell doesn't Paul Brown Stadium have taller stands behind the endline. IT IS NOT AN AMERICAN INVENTION. SHEESH!!!!! Its a trend in money making, and stadiums builders are noticing it. GOD DAMNIT!!!!!!!


DO NOT REPLY TO MY POSTS UNLESS YOU ARE GOING TO READ THE BOARD AND PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT YOU READ. I'm not going to thoroughly explain everything on every post for your pleasure. STOP THIS SOUR GRAPES posting.

In a stadium such as this one with a retractable pitch what's to stop some animal like a fox or a bear or even a teenager crawling under the gap and urinating on all the seats or even burning the place down?

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/fc_schalke_04/images/luft_02.jpg

Great news, Fedex Field will be getting a retractable roof!! It will be modelled on a giant cheeseburger!!


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^^ That first pic is awesome!

Yeah, I couldn't find the right angle of a cheeseburger for the 2nd pic. I actually considered cycling to McDonalds to get one and photo it at an angle, but thankfully my medication kicked in at that point.

If you go to McDs I'll paypal you the £ for the cheeseburger!

Rogers Centre (formally Skydome) in Toronto, ON, Canada. When full and with the roof open there is no better MLB stadium. As well, it is right smack in the middle of a thriving, vibrant, and cosmopolitan metropolis. GO JAYS GO!!

http://img431.imageshack.us/img431/1028/rogerscentre13bz.th.jpg (http://img431.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rogerscentre13bz.jpg)

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4972/img11865zr.th.jpg (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img11865zr.jpg)

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9678/torontoovercastsky5dy.th.jpg (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=torontoovercastsky5dy.jpg)

Rogers Centre sucks, the atmosphere is terrible, and the staium itself is ugly.....

No, it's okay, i'll pop down tomorrow afternoon. I want to try my new outfit on so I may as well wear it tomorrow -


http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/7886/m79r3c6ca.jpg

Rogers Centre sucks, the atmosphere is terrible, and the staium itself is ugly.....

And you've been there how many times...?

The atmosphere is unreal in the summertime when the roof is open and the Yanks or Sox (or any contender) are in for a series. When it gets 40,000 plus in there the atmosphere is second to none. I won't disagree with you though when there's 20,000 there. The atmosphere is pretty bad and all the open patches of blue seats is pretty fugly. Aesthetically speaking, it's been MUCH better over the past couple of years since Ted Rogers bought it. They replaced the crappy astroturf, renovated the concourses to make them wider and ditch the concrete look, and have also added some new scoreboards and a level of excellence inside the playing area itself to get rid of the bare concrete. It looks a LOT better than it did even 2 years ago.

The one thing you can't beat is the location. It's probably the best located stadium in MLB. Anyways...

My top 10:

1. PNC
2. Wrigley
3. Fenway
4. Comerica
5. Jacob's Field
6. Camden Yards
7. Yankee Stadium
8. Safeco
9. Citizens Bank Park
10. New Busch

My Top Ten
1. Turner Field
2. Wrigley
3. Fenway
4. Yankee Stadium
5. Jacob's Field
6. Safeco
7. New Busch
8. Citizens Bank Park
9. PNC
10. Camden Yards

And you've been there how many times...?

The atmosphere is unreal in the summertime when the roof is open and the Yanks or Sox (or any contender) are in for a series. When it gets 40,000 plus in there the atmosphere is second to none. I won't disagree with you though when there's 20,000 there. The atmosphere is pretty bad and all the open patches of blue seats is pretty fugly. Aesthetically speaking, it's been MUCH better over the past couple of years since Ted Rogers bought it. They replaced the crappy astroturf, renovated the concourses to make them wider and ditch the concrete look, and have also added some new scoreboards and a level of excellence inside the playing area itself to get rid of the bare concrete. It looks a LOT better than it did even 2 years ago.

The one thing you can't beat is the location. It's probably the best located stadium in MLB. Anyways...

My top 10:

1. PNC
2. Wrigley
3. Fenway
4. Comerica
5. Jacob's Field
6. Camden Yards
7. Yankee Stadium
8. Safeco
9. Citizens Bank Park
10. New Busch

I've been there once, although it was a Devil Rays game, you'd still expect the atmosphere to be much better. No one there even seemed to understand baseball, much less care about it...... That was the game where some guy who was running for Prime Minister or something threw out the first pitch.....
Of the 18 I've been to, it's behind all of the but the Metrodome, Montreal Olympic, RFK, and Dolphins Stadium...

I have to go against my home team (Blue Jays & Rogers Centre), but from the stadia I've been to (St. Petersburg/Tampa, Boston, TO, NYC, Baltimore, Montreal... small list I know), Fenway is superb.

Wrigley and Fenway are tops for me. Some shots of Wrigley by KCgridlock.

http://photos.***************/kcgridlock/chicago/IMG_1435_sized.jpg

http://photos.***************/kcgridlock/chicago/IMG_1442_sized.jpg

Wow no Dodger Stadium fans? its a classic. still looks brand new and cant beat the view.

Got a renovation this year, with all 56,000 seats replaced and returned to their original pastel colors, as well as box seating similar to the hollywood bowl added to the field area. Looks magnificient.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/los_photo.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/Imyurdada/LA_-_DODGER_STADIUMf.jpg

^I've always liked Chavez Ravine. It has a nice atmosphere.

DO NOT REPLY TO MY POSTS UNLESS YOU ARE GOING TO READ THE BOARD AND PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT YOU READ. I'm not going to thoroughly explain everything on every post for your pleasure. STOP THIS SOUR GRAPES posting.

Ok. first of all: This is an open forum and Ill reply to whatever post I want to.
Secondly: you should calm down. We dont want this discussion to turn into a troll circus.
Thx.

- True that you have more retractable fields and had them first. Congratulations.

Thank you! Yet its still only the Veltins arena and the Gelredome that have a moveable pitch in Europe.
The only stadium outside of europe with that feature would be the Sapporo Dome I guess.


- False that you only play on grass. Disproven by posters here.
- If the domes choose to play on grass, they can. The temporary grass pitch was approved by FIFA for the 1994 World Cup and is often used for friendlies. The tray system has also been used by some teams such as the New York teams and Houston Texans. Its not that difficult of a thing to do.


Partly true.
You would have a hard time finding an artificial grass pitch in the german Bundesliga, the spanish primera division or the italian Seria A.
However the english premier league has some.
Most of them are mixtures between natural and artificial grass.
In Germany for example it isnt allowed to play on anything else than natural grass.
Yet, some european companies have just come up with some great new prototypes of artificial grass, which basically have almost the same chracteristics as natural grass.


- Building a dome is a lot more costly and structurally difficult than building a light material roof held up by guy wires or small concrete stand roofs.

Again I have to disagree. Saying that domes are generally more costly than comparable alternative stadiums is a cheap statement.
Lets take the Texas stadium for example (since you have brought that up before).
There are some forumers on this board who dont like this stadium.
Personally I like it. It may not have the nicest exterior but I think that the interior still looks classy. Its nicely balanced and looks quite clean.
And I think its one of the stadiums with the highest number of exec. boxes. (correct me if Im wrong)
However, if we look at the construction costs (~36 million dollars), it has to be said that this stadium came at a very cheap price.
Of course we have to keep in mind that back in 1971? the dollar had a bigger value. Still I would say that this stadium was probably nice value for money.
Comparable stadiums nowadays are far more expensive due to rising labour and material costs etc, etc..
But there are also modern domes that came at a very cheap price.
Take the Amsterdam Arena as an example.
I think it was the first stadium in europe with a retractable roof and one of the first domes in the world with a pitch of natural grass.
The arena was completed in 1996 at a cost of approx. 96 million Euros (122million $).
Is that expensive? I dont think so.
The newly renovated AOL arena in Hamburg for instance is a stadium comparable in size (~55k seats) yet it was probabaly a mere 20 million euros more expensive.
So your argument is flawed. ;)


- For the football ignorant, Artificial turf is a faster playing surface for football(American Football).

Absolutely. And its the very reason why its not allowed in most leagues in europe.
As I said: In the last years new artificial grass ptototypes have been developed which basically have very similar chracteristics to normal grass.
But that has only been since recently and its one of the reasons why the german DFB is thinking about a future allowance for mixed turfs


- In colder climates, unless you're going to build a giant greenhouse, a retractable field probably won't do all that much for a proper playing surface. Would be funny for the Vikings to roll in a dead surface. That's probably why some of your Nordic countries play on artificial surfaces.).

Lol a greenhouse? I dont think so :lol:

You know, Gelsenkirchen (home to the Veltins arena) isnt exactly located in the Caribbians either.
In the wintertime you can get temperatures of up to -20 degrees.
What helps immensely in those situations is a pitch heating system I guess.(Every Bundesliga club in Germany is bound to have one)
Its built in just right under the field.
And no, you probably wont need a greenhouse to keep the pitch alive. :)



- NFL revenue sharing system(salary cap included). The NFL was not dominant until the last 10 years. Before it was like any other sport. Teams totally made their own revenue. You had the rich(Dallas, San Fran, Chicago, NY, Philly, Washington) and everyone else. Just look at the Superbowl champs from '85-95. They come from that rich list. Since free agency, revenue sharing and salary cap the NFL has surged with more equalized competition. More fan interest when more teams have an actual chance. Its simple and some greedy owners may hate it. You can say what you want, but again, your own countrymen here have been calling for it.

You are right. there are some people here who want to introduce a salary cap for the wages of the players.
Yet there are probably equally as many people here who dont want that.

Apart from that nobody here wants to adopt the NFL franchise system.
Its a system that doesnt know the words "relegation" and "promotion".
A system in which you splash out some money to set up your own sports franchise and then often finance new sportical infrastructures by taxpayers money.
But youve probably heard it all before I guess....


- Stadium design. I see it already and ties into the above.

So what is it that you "see" ? Care to give any recent examples?


- The NFL can learn globalization better. The NBA has kicked their butt in that regard.

Im also sure that the german Basketball league can learn a hell of a lot from the NBA, but thats really something different.
Fact is, that european football has not got much to learn from anybody when it comes to global marketing, stadium constructions, innovations etc..


I repeat...............The NFL is not the only football league in America. College football has greater attendance, but a much more fractured television audience, which reduces the worth per ad though it has a lot more teams(117). If you read any other threads you'd know the difference though. During the NFL season, you have the NBA, College Basketball, MLS, NHL, NASCAR and the Major League Baseball penant races, playoffs and World Series. These are all super popular in America and the NFL has to compete TV dollars with them during its own season. The NFL still crushes them all I know its hard to understand a non-soccer sport being that popular, but it just is, and it continues to increase its television revenue year after year. I'm sorry, I don't care what could be for a continent. I'm talking about the here and now for one nation and its popularity HERE. Don't care if you hate me or the sport. Its doing damn well for such a domestic sport. Sour Grapes!!!! Does anyone disagree?

I dont dissagree that the NFL is doing well in America. (On a global scale its a different matter though)
But the fact remains that the NFL is the only professional football league in the States. Correct?
I honestly dont know what you are trying to prove with your post.
Sure, there are many sports leagues in the states, but the same would apply to here.
Every european state has atlest two professional football leagues.
Thats just how it is. And since we all play the same sport we obviously have european competitions.
Those competitions just happen to be the biggest sports competitions in the world.The world cup, the european championship and the champions league are pretty much setting the standard for everybody else when it comes to TV veiwing figures, marketing, sponsoring etc, etc..


GOD DAMNIT!!!! (not apologizing for that. these new posters come on here every year and drive me friggin mad) Have you ever read anything I've said denying that each continent borrows from each other. A lot of the stadiums are designed by the same people. I know from reading those last few paragraphs that you read NOTHING that I typed. Dude, you're arguing with the same examples I did for what was more European.

Ok, ""Dude"". The fact that you think that Im a new poster just proves that you didnt read my posts in this forum either.
Im posting here since quite a while. You would normally not find me in topics that deal with baseball stadiums or that kind, because Im not into these sort of sports.(Poor me)
Therefore you can hardly accuse me of not following every step that you make on this board.


Then you totally just flat out not understand. Dude, YOUR OWN COUNTRYMEN have complained on this board countless times about the American Football design that a place like Manchester City has. The same posters who ask why the hell doesn't Paul Brown Stadium have taller stands behind the endline. IT IS NOT AN AMERICAN INVENTION. SHEESH!!!!! Its a trend in money making, and stadiums builders are noticing it. GOD DAMNIT!!!!!!!

Well why doesn it? In europe the stands on the sidelines are surely better to watch a game. (Ive been to some games where my seat was behind the goals and imo it sucked bigtime)
Yet there are thousands of fans that are paying to watch a game even if they have to watch it from the ends of a pitch.

So why are the ends in an american stadiums just not being developed and disregarded?
Why not invest a little more and close the gap?
You could sell the seats for extra cheap prices, and those stadiums would look much better and the atmosphere would be much better too.
I respect that there are different normes in North america, yet for us it seems like a wasted opportunity to not develop these stands.
Honestly: What would you have to loose?
the worst thing that could happen is, that the stands in the ends wouldnt be booked out all the time.
Yet here in Europe they are :)
btw: Im german. I dont know much about Manchster city and what it has to do with american designs.
Again you should give some examples.