Downtown is a very large rectangle. It's about six or seven blocks wide (north to south) and about twenty blocks deep (east to west.) That's why people hate the skyline - the popular view is from the lake.

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Hi all,

I'm somewhat new to the Milwaukee area. One thing that strikes me though is just how unique and beautiful the south side is - the region S. of Wisconsin Ave, W of 35th all the way to the lake, including the 3rd Ward.

I always find it very interesting how old - especially c.1880-1920 buildings are incorporated into modern cities. I find buildings of this era, though small and dingy, the often most beautiful in character and nostalga. Again, another reason why I love the s side

Does anyone have pictures of that area? This week I'll try to make some time to take some.

Peace,
Jai

WWWWWWWWWWWWelcome Jai!!!!



I absolutely agree with you. The near south side from the third ward all the way to Bayview (pretty much the entire area east of I-43 south of downtown and north of Rockwell) is becoming a very distinctive place. The architechture there is some of the best in the city, IMO. If you want some pics, Mil-town will give you his link to a bloack and white picture thread of Milwaukee he created. And if you want to take your own pics, please go ahead!!! :)

hey i just moved to milwaukee too. i just finished a 30 photo downtown tour the likes of which have never been seen here. should be up in a week or so. also i have explored ALL the neighborhoods in this town (taking notes ;) ) so get ready for a milwaukee onslaught in the coming months.

cubercle I take it you couldn't find a decent host site? What happens to be your hometown by the way? Sounds like you like your new home even though I don't think you've offered any opinions yet. I'll be looking forward to seeing some of those pics!


Jai if you like nostalgia you'll love Milwaukee! I see your from Detroit, this must be one of the reasons you like Milwaukee? My opinion is that Milwaukee is much like Detroit only on a smaller scale. Both are industrial cities that once were on the decline but now are springing to life! I think you'll find Milwaukee a very charming city comparaed to Detroit however, it's one of the things that set's it apart from other cities it's size or larger.

i'm from chicago. my wife is finishing school up here. i've spent plenty of time here before, as a lot of my friends went to college here and my sister lived here for a couple of years. we live just south of north ave about 2 blocks from the lake. i like it as much as you can considering i had to leave chicago;) . i know it like the back of my hand, and you definately have to really be shown the town in detail to appreciate it, which is why i'm going to post these tours. trust me, they'll be fantastic. my downtown tour will be more thorough than the others i've seen here (more than the 4 or 5 tallest shown from different angles). i don't have a digital camera, which is why these first photos won't be up for a few days. yeah, this ranchoweb host sucks, half the time the pics don't even show up, and 1 MB wont be nearly enough space. if anyone knows the best deal for a DEPENDABLE pay host tell me. i dont have a problem with paying for it, as long as i get enough space and i dont have to worry about posting a tour of 30 red X's.

ok, im going to use this "pbase.com" as long as nobody warns me before i do. $23/year for 100MB seems ok, and all the pics i've seen hosted by it seem to always show up.

Try hosting them at the galleries at cyburbia.org. They're free, but I haven't triend uploading anything there in a couple months, as the site was on the fritz. Could be fixed by now though.

cyburbia works. but can i trust it?

Well, a lot of people here use Cyburbia, and I've never heard a single complaint so yeah, you can trust them.

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I got one too! Its Niiiiiiiiiice, a Canon Powershot. Sorry, no pics to be posted here until i get back to school, i have next to no patience with my parents POS internet service. Hence the absence of myself from the forums of late.

Welcome Jai and Cubercle!! Wow, this thread is getting bigger and bigger. We're gonna need are own zip code soon.
:)

New tower may rise downtown
Planned office building would add to burgeoning development in city center
By TOM DAYKIN
tdaykin@journalsentinel.com
Last Updated: Jan. 7, 2003

A 24-story downtown office tower, which could include a hotel and condominiums, is in the planning stages for the southeast corner of N. Broadway and E. Wisconsin Ave., a Milwaukee commercial real estate brokerage announced Tuesday.

The proposed tower is being marketed to prospective tenants by brokerage firm Siegel-Gallagher Inc. It would be around 300,000 square feet and would be the latest in a series of new office buildings developed downtown.

The building could be developed just for offices, or it could be developed as a mixed-use project with a hotel and condos, said William Ochowicz, Siegel-Gallagher vice president of office properties.

"It's something we think can go off in a number of different directions, depending on the interest," Ochowicz said.

The location within the heart of downtown's office and growing condo market makes it adaptable for any of those uses, said Eric Rapp, Siegel-Gallagher senior vice president of corporate services.

Siegel-Gallagher doesn't have a specific timetable for the building's construction. Development won't happen unless an anchor tenant is secured, Rapp said.

Along with prospecting for tenants, Siegel-Gallagher also is interviewing development firms that would be interested in helping create the building.

"There's not any major rush until we find someone with an interest," Rapp said.

Ochowicz and Rapp declined to provide estimates on the project's development costs, saying those numbers could vary widely, depending on whether the building includes a hotel and condos.

By comparison, the downtown development Cathedral Place, which has 220,000 square feet of offices, 30 condos and 25,000 square feet of street-level retail space, has an estimated cost of $32 million.

The 18-story Cathedral Place, which is under construction at the southwest corner of E. Wells and N. Jackson streets, includes a 940-space parking structure with a $20 million estimated cost.

Also, the eight-story, 205,000-square-foot 875 East office building, under construction at 875 E. Wisconsin Ave., is a $49.4 million development.

Meanwhile, a possible office tower with housing may be proposed to replace the Marcus Center for the Performing Arts parking structure, at the northwest corner of E. State and N. Water streets. That development, which could cost $50 million to $100 million, would include a new parking structure for the Marcus Center.

875 East and Cathedral Place have so far each leased out around 40% of their office space. The two buildings, to be completed this summer, are downtown's first new major office buildings developed since 1992.

Downtown's vacancy rate for office space, including 875 East and Cathedral Place, is 19%, according to a new survey by Polacheck Co. brokerage. That compares to a suburban office vacancy rate of 22%.

New forecasts by Polacheck and Grubb & Ellis/Boerke Co. both predict renewed strength in the downtown office market. Both firms said major suburban firms are considering relocations to the downtown area.

City Development Commissioner Julie Penman said Siegel-Gallagher's proposal was an example of renewed interest in downtown's commercial real estate market.

However, it could be difficult for Siegel-Gallagher's proposed tower to find an anchor tenant, said William Bonifas, Polacheck senior vice president.

Bonifas said the Milwaukee area has only about five major office users currently considering relocations that could be potential anchor tenants for the tower. And some of those tenants will likely remain in their current buildings, he said.

"But all you need is one" anchor tenant to make the proposed tower a reality, Bonifas said.

"It looks to me to be a very well-designed building," Bonifas said. "It's a good location."

Among those possible anchor tenants is GE Medical Systems' information technologies division, which has been looking for up to 200,000 square feet. The rapidly growing firm has its headquarters in a short-term lease at Woodland Prime Office Park in Menomonee Falls and has considered downtown among its possible sites for a permanent home.

The tower's design, by Engberg Anderson Design Partnership Inc., relies on a mostly steel and glass construction to make an exciting statement, Ochowicz said.

The tower would replace a group of three- and four-story buildings, some dating back to the late 19th century.

Buildings that would be demolished to make way for the tower are at 618-624 N. Broadway, which includes Lava Lounge; 626-628 N. Broadway, which includes Penny Wise Shop; 630 N. Broadway, which includes Conversion Media; and 301-315 E. Wisconsin Ave., which includes Cousins Subs, Sahar Persian Cuisine and Chinese & Thai Hot Cafe.

Siegel-Gallagher President and Chief Executive Officer Patrick Gallagher said the planned tower could be expanded to include properties currently occupied by buildings at 319-323 E. Wisconsin Ave., which is vacant; 327 E. Wisconsin Ave., which includes Downtown Books; and 625 N. Milwaukee St., which is vacant.

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Oh my , looks like another one!! Hell yeah! bring it on! I really hope this is just the beginning. Markitect you are the bomb bringing this info out !! ....alright...i'm calmed down... wow. beautiful design. i love it

Great! they're finally are going to tare down those ugly old buildings on that block faceing WI Ave! Every time I've walked down that part of WI Ave I've always thought "now there's a perfect place to put up a tower". Not only that but when you look at the skyline from the south and southwest this is the very spot where a tower needs to be. I believe this building will be a success.

Looks like the trend in Milwaukee for the start of the 21st century is to build condos above the new office buildings. I wonder how far they can continue this?

We'll have to see; this isn't definite yet, as the proposal doesn't have any tenants. The article also failed to mention whether the existing buildings are good to go, or if the developer has to purchase them yet and whatnot.

The building's design is a nice change from all that gimicky post-modern historicist ripoff crap that we've been seeing around town lately.

OH SWEET!!!

They buildings they would have to tear down to make this, what do they look like?

http://images.fotki.com/v1/photos/1/10467/18501/fea658c7jpgorig-vi.jpg

Here's a look north toward Wisconsin Avenue along Broadway. Some of the buildings that would be demolished are just right of center in this photo.


http://images2.fotki.com/v2/photos/1/10467/18497/mil155-vi.jpg

Here's a look west along Wiscosnin Avenue. The site for the proposed tower is where the white buildings are, behind the stoplight.

OMG, I almost had a heart attack. I thought they were talking about the southeast corner of Wisconsin and Water! :lol:

I was like NO!!!! That is one if the nicest buildings. Luckily they are of course talking about a block or two up!

This building is awesome! I loe it, it looks so cool, and I would love it if it ended up being made. It is great. I love it. Now I have a question. I believe the article talked about ajusting it's size to accomadate the people who want to move in.

Does that mean if a lot of people want to go into it, it could rise higher????? Not that it matters, I love how it looks now, and Milwaukee will finally be closer to getting Wisconsin Ave having the canyon effect.

I know that is the part some of you are probably ahting, but I always wanted one street to have that in Milwaukee, and I always thought Wisconsin was the street to do it on. But I still love it. I will definatly have to keep a close eye on this! :D :D :D

Oh yeah, a little late, but hey to the new Milwaukeeans! :D :D :D Glad to have ya here! I love talking about Milwaukee, and the more people are here, the more we can talk! :D :D :D

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The article doesn't say specifically. It just says that more buildings on the block could be demolished, and the new building could be expanded to take up those properties--which seems to imply that the proposed building (or just its base) could get longer, not necessarily taller.

this town has a few buidings that do that. take up a lot of space and just sprout up on one end or corner. it kind of sucks.

Holy shit. That's a nice building. And a nice rendering, too. I agree wholeheartedly that Postmodernism needs to leave Milwaukee and never come back...this is a good step. Let's hope at least one of the five aforementioned companies moves to the city. It'd be nice to see a few move downtown, but I'll take what I can get for now.

Great news.

Hmm, I suppose this building is worth losing 1 or 2 nice old buildings.


Also, if this building will be about 300ft, wouldn't that make it the tallest all-glass structure in Wisconsin?

Also, what the hell happened to Lafeyette Place, and Kilbourn Tower?

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Why?

Some post-modernism architecture--at least in Milwaukee--just seems so...tacky. A lot of them just mimic, poorly I might add, some historic style. Architectural elements just seem tacked onto their facades just to create a reference to the past, or some other true historic Milwaukee building (the Midwest Express Center or Miller Park are good example of recently-constructed buildings that do this). While it's important to have architecture of new buildings "fit" into the urban context, this does not mean the design of new buildings must mimic historic buildings. There are other ways to make buildings of different styles, built in different eras, fit well together.

Post-modern architecture that looks good and doesn't copycat historical styles is fine, but we haven't seen too much of that here in Milwaukee.

Also, since post-modernism makes obvious references to historical styles, it creates sort of a backwards-looking aesthetic. Not really the kind of image Milwaukee wants to portray if it wants to look like a modern, up-to-date, forward looking city that it wants to become.

Lafayette Place--there's a trailer there, just like the last time we talked about it, nothing else has been reported in the papers, so they must still be in the process of trying to sell units.

Kilbourn Tower--there's a trailer on this site too (which I think we discussed along with the Lafayette trailer last time), a fence around the site (I think), and the right-turn lane on the corner (one of those dealies with a triangular-shaped island, or "pork chops") has been barricaded when I went past the site last week.

University Club Tower-- still waiting

Yea, i agree. You definately don't want too much of one kind of style. Cuz if all the buildings mimicked each other, the city would look kinda boring...

I like the new proposal on the corner of Wisconsin and Broadway I think it will fit in that area pretty well.

As for 100 East and the Milwaukee center's post modern look I like both of those towers and it just seems that those two towers are picked on for the way they both look (IMO).

What seems forgotten is that Downtown MIlwaukee has plenty of box style modern era buildings (US Bank Center, BANKONE Plaza, M&I Plaza, The Clark Building on the west side of downtown, just to name a few. At this point whatever is going to be built in Downtown Milwaukee will only make Downtown Milwaukee look better.

The Milwaukee Center is my favorite building downtown! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I also like the Midwest Express Center. While it is not as functional as it could ahve been made, I think it looks asthetically (sp?) pleasing! :lol: :lol: :lol:

But I have been known to have weird tastes!

Yes, you have. ;)

As for me, I have grown extremely tired of PoMo in general. The flounces, the flourishes, the tackiness - it's getting tired. I used to like 100 East. While I still appreciate the height and the lighting scheme, the crown just seems frivolous to me now. My philosophy is similar to Markitect's - if we want to emerge as a modern city, we need to create a more modern image. If we keep building cartoon rip-offs of antiquated styles, we look like we're stuck in the past.

The world in general is moving away from Postmodernism. If we stick with it, we will seem archaic. We will be left behind.

I must say, however, that I love the Milwaukee Center. I think it's beautiful. I don't hate all Postmodern structures...I just think that it's time for that style to become a thing of the past. It was fun. Let's move on.

The world in general is moving away from Postmodernism. If we stick with it, we will seem archaic. We will be left behind.



But I love postmodernism. Maybe I can be left behind with it while the world moves on?

Well said, CG5. Postmodernity is OK when its done well, but I predict it will become campy and kitsch in short time. If postmodernity becomes out of style, it will be interesting what kind of new styles will emerge.

Maybe some of you have seen this picture before but anyway I thought it was cool-


http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/504/1milwaukee1.jpg

Bro, can't see a thing.

I used to have that as the wallpaper on my old computer.

What's that CG5, a big red X ?

Right click on the red X, go to "Properties," copy and paste the address into your browser, hit "Enter," see picture.

Thanks Markitect. I now can see the picture, which is very unique. I've never seen that view before...

here's a fun photo for all to enjoy.

http://www.cyburbia.org/gallery/data/500/1137essob01.jpg

and another.

http://www.cyburbia.org/gallery/data/500/1137esnob06.jpg

Wow! Nice photos, there Cubercle. 1522 on the Lake looks like it's being wrapped up. Looks gorgeous. Any pictures of cahtedal place? I haven't seen the site in months.

That shot of 1522 is good, but that second pic you posted is a real eye-popper cubercle! Very cool.

thanks. i'm going to try and start posting neighborhood tours every monday (except today because i don't have time. tomorrow.). hopefully someone will look at them. fiddler, i think cathedral place is still pretty much a skeleton, but i think the skeleton is done. i can run over there and snap a photo if you want.

I think Cathedral Place is at like the 9th or 10th floor, right?

What are your thoughts on Mayor Norquist's thoughts on the Marquette Interchange?

My opinion is that even if they change the numbers of the interstate system in Milwaukee it will not help solve the problem that exists at that interchange. Do the repair right the Downtown area though inconvenienced for 4 years will make the turn around that it needs. Do it the way the mayor suggests it will only make matters worse when they will have to do this whole project over again.

If the mayor of Milwaukee thinks a Toll road is the answer toward paying off the interchange repair then I think he is dumber than I give him credit for. No major or even minor city(with the possible exceptions of New York City, Philadelphia , Boston and Baltimore) has a toll going into the city other than the Bridge and tunnel tolls in New York City and Philadelphia. Boston does have (I-90) a toll road that goes into the city but the other major route into the city is a free road (I-93). Baltimore has a bridge toll and a 10 mile stretch of (I-95)into the city that is tolled. If the mayor is looking at Chicago as his reason for a toll road I would say he can't even read a map for all the toll roads with the possible exception of the Chicago skyway is miles away from the LOOP or Downtown Chicago. The Tri-state toll road is the Chicago by-pass and not a spur into the city its self.

If the Mayor wants a toll road around the Milwaukee area here's my idea. Where State highway 16 goes into I-94 build a new west by-pass around Waukesha bring it south past I-43 continue southeast (like along State 164 to state 20, follow 20 until it gets to I-94) and connect this spur into I-94 just outside of Racine. The new Milwaukee by-pass that will get the trucking and tourist traffic out of the city of Milwaukee by a good 15 to 20 miles.

I do sometimes wonder where the mayor of Milwaukee is coming from. Because some of his ideas sure do leave the impression that he want's to continue his work on making Milwaukee an even less major city than it already is.

I pretty much completly agree with you, man from Oshkosh. If you are going to rebuild an interchange or stretch of freeway, it should be rebuilt to current safety and design standards. That means no left exits (Norquist proposes only changing one ramp to a right exit), Milwaukee has way too many left exits as it is. They are everywhere! Interstate standards also dictate that a route must have a minimum of 2 lanes in each direction, which I-94 does not maintain through the Marquette. Even the Twin Cities, with its plethora of painfully inadequite interchanges, manages to maintain 2 lanes each way on interstates (and most other freeways) when they change direction at an interchange.

As for renumbering I-894 as I-94 and extending I-794 to the Zoo interchange, i don't really have an opinion on that. I suppose there might be some out-of-towners who would be afraid to venture from the main route, and thus unnecesarily go through the city instead of using the bypass. Probably not too many, though.

Finally, i think the SEWPC's plans for rebuilding the freeways is kind of overkill. they are basically saying every freeway in the Metro needs to be 8 lanes. Maybe in some places, but certainly not everywhere.

The toll idea did not come from Mayor Norquist; it came form a study conducted by an independant source. (http://www.jsonline.com/traffic/news/dec02/102660.asp) In fact, when the idea was pitched last month, he disagreed with it.

SWERPC's plan to widen nearly every single stretch of freeway in the 7-county juisdiction has a major flaw in that the proposed changes would not aleviate much congestion (if at all) than what we have now by the time 2020 rolls along. In other words, under SEWRPC's recommendation, we will have the same amount of congestion in 2020 with widened freeways as what we have right now. And those traffic forecasts take into consideration increases in the existing mass transit services than what we have now (which we proably wouldn't get anyway). So we won't be any better off 20 years down the road (exuse the pun) than we are today.

I would agree that left-hand ramps are dangerous (because they require traffic to cut across 3 or 4 lanes of traffic to get to the ramp), especally in the areas close by the Marquette Interchange. The left-hand ramps should be removed and replaced with standard right-hand ramps (if only somebody would have had the foresight in the 1960s to just design them with safer right-hand ramps in the first place...).

As for renumbering the highways, I don't think that would make much difference, as most of the traffic using the Marquette is through-traffic, they'd be using the interchange anyway no matter what the number is. People coming from the west who want to head south to Chicago, and vice versa, usually don't use the Marquette--they take the southern bypass anyway (currently I-894).

hey! look! (http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22090)

If they do tolls with a smaller fee, and not so close to downtown, that would be better. I don't know if re-naming the highways would affect anything or not, but if we put one of the tolls around Hwy 100, that may not be so bad. It's a very touchy situation, cuz if have em too close, people might not make it to downtown. This is where a light rail system would help...

Quite honestly, light rail wouldn't do much to aleviate freeway congestion for commuters--it's just too slow in general, with many stops. Commuter rail would most likely be slightly more effective--as the trains are longer (and can carry more people), and the stops are fewer and farther apart (fewer stops means faster service).

Furthermore, a light rail system, even a small one, would take at least afew years to get built. With commuter rail, most of the infrastructure is already in place with existing tracks and stations. They may beed to be fixed up a bit, but a commuter rail system could be up and running much faster than a light rail system.

Commuter Rail? Is that like a monorail?

If so I agree! I think that it would be great to have a monorail or some form of transportation that does not go on the already crowded city streets, and goes quickly with a large carrying capacity.

They could have the rail stop at certain large traffic areas. They could ahve one stop at the Marquette Campus, Art Museum/ Summerfest Grounds, UWM campus, Mayfair Mall, Miller Park, Patowatomi Casino, Grand Avenue, and a few other places.

This would cut down on traffic for people who don't want to pay to park, want to get their quckly and easily, and many other things. If the people wanted to get somewhere more specific than one of the immediate stops, then they could just take the bus from the stop.

If we got that high speed rail set up, a station could be set up there also to make it easier for people from Chicago to get around town quickly and inexpensively. The stops in places such as Grand Avenue would revitalize that mall almost instantly. In teh Grand Avenue would also be great for the Midwest Express Center.

I know it is ridiculously expensive, but anything we do is going to cost money, and why not do something worth while. I don't see the sense in building something to cure a temporary problem, and then have it be torn down or fixed within the next 5 years cause the projects sights were purely short term. If we build something dramatic I think it will probably pay off big time in the long run.

I know I would take it. It would also cut down on pollution, always a very good thing! :D :D :D

But this is just a dream, I know, so don't be to harsh. I know there is a flaw I am not thinking about. ;) ;) ;)

Monorails are too expensive and impractical, much moreso than setting up (or I should say, reintroducing) streetcars in Milwaukee, or commuter rail.

Commuter rail is passegner rail for short distances--like Metra in Chicago (which is being studied for an extension north from Kenosha into Milwaukee, serving the southern suburbs and Downtown). Think Amtrak, but for regional distances, rather than cross-country distances. It would share the same infrasturcture (tracks, stations, platforms, signals, etc) that, for the most part, already exist for freight and Amtrak trains. Commuter rail is something that can be very worth while, as it's easily expandable with a minimum amout of work. Want an extension tot serve the western suburbs? No problem, the tracks are already there. With relatively minor tweaks, the trains are rolling. Much easier to do than with a monorail, or even light rail.

Hey, i was just downtown a few hours ago (1/23) to take pictures at the War Memorial for my Architecture class. While the pictures for those are not to interesting, i did snap a few scenic pics with my new digital camera. Here they are, hot off the CompactFlash Card, and resized for your viewing pleasure.

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Finally, here is a panoramic that i stiched together. Thsi was my first attempt at a panoramic stiching multiple pictures together, but my camera sure makes it easy

http://image.photoloft.com/opx-bin/OpxFIDISA.dll?s=cano&src=/PhotoLoft/Asset20/2003/01/23/10291/10291163_0_3098.fpx,0,0,1,1,2829,681,FFFFFF

Ohhhhhhhh, man was it ever cold!

These had better work, i tested them a bunch!

I am going to probably get some heat for saying this but light rail in the city of Milwaukee isn't something that will solve the traffic problem because I just don't think anyone will use it. If nobody uses what you think may help then you have just thrown away anywhere from $800 million to maybe a couple of billion dollars and get nothing in return for this investment. As for the commuter line from Milwaukee to Chicago that makes some sense but only those people who may live close by will really use it. But in this instance I would be for that, light rail no way would I be for that.

If the State and the city of Milwaukee are serious about easing traffic congestion into the city of Milwaukee. Then my idea of a third outer bypass west of Waukesha to meet up south by say Racine or if tolled to meet up with the Tri-State tollway outside of Kenosha by the State border will help keep what ever traffic that goes into Milwaukee more local than what it is now.

I will argue my point like this.

1. If you build this toll road to connect with the Tri-State and this road is say a 10 lane road with limited exits to like 12 or so with 2 oasis for reststops before you make your turn into I- 94 going west toward Madison or south going toward Chicago. I would think most truckers would take the tollway and pay the toll and not bother with the hassel of dealing with the local's going into the city of Milwaukee traffic. If you just take some of the larger trucks out of having to drive in the city of Milwaukee will help ease most of the congestion that happens in Milwaukee.

2. I have driven on I-94 going south toward Chicago and north going back up into Milwaukee and that Interstate is always jammed packed with traffic. If there is a pileup on that stretch of road anywhere you are looking at a major traffic jam. But if there was this toll road that progressivly goes northwest toward Waukesha or southeast if going toward Chicago and most of the interstate truckers use the tollroad it will ease that congestion down there too (and you would still have a 6 lane highway that would be a free road before you meet up with that toll road outside of Kenosha).

3. Actually the Tri-State tollway hasn't hurt the growth in Lake county Illinois since there are some business close by the tollway and may have helped keep the area keep up its current growth rate. IMO a third highway that completely by-passes the inner metro area of Milwaukee may actually bring more people to move into the metro area of Milwaukee which will help out that 6 county Southeast Wisconsin area.

I am not saying everyone will agree with this assessment but if you want to ease congestion in the city. Then I think it makes more sense to build a western bypass of Milwaukee than a light rail system nobody will use.

Hoo-ha! Nice pics MSP! Awesome time of day for them too...everything looks kind of dreamy in the light of a setting sun. And nice job with the pano.

Woah! Thats a tight pano!

Those are some great shots MSP! Keep them coming!

I wasn't sure if I meant to say Commuter rail, other than Light rail. I guess I now understand what the differences are. As for a third highway....you know...I don't know what to say...Its a good idea. I like all the ideas on here...they are good,but there is always that "but".

And thats when someone in the leadership role has to say,
"okay, lets do this." and take that risk.

Thanks guys, for your compliments. I was pretty lucky with the lighting on the first one, i just happened to take it at the right time. I have all of the pics at 1600x1200 resolution, if anyone besides me loves big pictures for desktop wallpaper, let me know. It is supposed to be significantly warmer tomorrow, so i may go out to take pictures again.

man from Oshkosh, you mentioned a third outer Milwaukee bypass, but where is the second bypass? And a 10 lane road? yikes! keep in mind that any traffic going through milwaukee, through the city or on I-894 is generaly going to be regional in nature, due to the city's location. Anyone starting or heading anywhere beyond Chicago or Madison will probably take the more direct I-90. Anyway, thats just my $0.02

The Milwaukee by-pass is supposed to be I-894 though it isn't much of a by-pass now. You are right what I would have proposed would be a second more western by-pass around Milwaukee.

You would be surprised as to how much trucking traffic there is around Milwaukee. I will agree there is also a whole lot of trucking traffic that uses I-90 around Madison too.

What I proposed originally would be phase 1 of a 2 phase project that the toll road should continue until it runs into Highway 41- 45 northwest of Milwaukee to make this project work the way it was meant to work. I forgot what a lot of people forget when it comes the traffic flow of this state. That is US 41 - 45 and after the split around Richfield where US 45 goes toward West Bend and US 41 goes toward Fond du lac on the west side of that city is also amongst the busiest highways in the whole state. US 41 is the major highway that connects Milwaukee with the third largest Metro area in the state (Appleton- Neenah-Menasha- Oshkosh all the way up to Kaukauna, population around 350,000 + in the last census and still growing too). As a side note. From what I have seen more truckers use US 41 to go up toward Green Bay than I-43 but then again using either one the milage difference is maybe 20 miles more using US 41.

I don't want to be mistaken but the toll road would end or start if you will around the Richfield split. (The people around here would be very unhappy indeed if they had to pay a toll on US 41). As I have stated a farther west bypass of Milwaukee I think would ease alot of the conjestion that is down there for there won't be as many trucks on the inner metro area main highway.

MSPtoMKE, I think you did a very nice job with the pictures you took of Milwaukee.

I think any brand new highways (freeways or tollways) would have even less of a chance getting built in metro Milwaukee than a light rail system. An outer bypass would have to either be built in the middle of suburbuia, or in the ever decreasing rural fringes--and NO community out there would accept one (they don't even want to widen any of the existing ground-level arterial streets and roads at it is anyway).

The Milwaukee area ended up with only about half of the freeways that were on the drawing boards back in the 1960s and 70s. They severed the city into smaller chunks--and I can guarantee you that Milwaukee wouldn't be as urban as it is today if those had been built. Some of the land for those freeways was actually cleared--destroying many neighborhoods--and were never built. A scar of vacant land still cuts across the city to this day (along Fond du Lac Avenue and North Avenue). A partial outer bypass was also proposed through the southern and western suburbs, but there never was a link proposed through the northern suburbs. And then there was this weird sort of half-bypass that ran from Saukville, past County Stadium, to link with I-894 on the in the southern suburbs.

Luckily, protests from residents prevented many of those proposed freeways from getting built. Plus, there was never enough money to build such an over-ambitious plan anyway.

In 2001, the Southeast Wisconsin Region Planning Commission looked at ramming a northern bypass somewhere thought the north side of Milwaukee and/or the northern suburbs to link I-43 to US 41-45, but that recommendation was dead on arrival.

Here's an article from 2001 about the bypass idea, with a map of the proposed freeway system from the 60s-70s. (http://www.jsonline.com/Traffic/news/jul01/freeway03070201a.asp)

"Widening roads to solve traffic congestion is like loosening your belt to cure obesity"

while we are talking about canceled freeway plans, look what I found:

Here is the whole proposed system, similar to the image markitect linked to. Note that it also shows the number of lanes each freeway would have had.
http://image.photoloft.com/opx-bin/OpxFIDISA.dll?s=cano&src=/PhotoLoft/Asset20/2003/01/26/10295/10295539_0_7623.fpx,0,0,1,1,902,1176,FFFFFF

Here is what the Park East Freeway was to look like:
http://image.photoloft.com/opx-bin/OpxFIDISA.dll?s=cano&src=/PhotoLoft/Asset20/2003/01/26/10295/10295541_0_9247.fpx,0,0,1,1,1242,898,FFFFFF

Here is what the Park West freeway, with the link to the stadium freeway, was to look like:
http://image.photoloft.com/opx-bin/OpxFIDISA.dll?s=cano&src=/PhotoLoft/Asset20/2003/01/26/10295/10295542_0_7722.fpx,0,0,1,1,1368,904,FFFFFF
I am a little fuzzy as to where the cleared ROW is located, I think it is on the part that is going diagonal along Fond du Lac.

I should say that i got these scans from a webpage by a guy by the name of Craig Holl. They are from a book called "Greater Milwaukee's Growing Pains, 1950-2000: An Insider's View"

Can you imagine what shape we would be in if there were TWICE as many freeways that were aging, and in need of major repair. The state can't even come up with enough money to repair the marquette interchange without taking money away from other projects (That is what Doyle is proposing, see http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/jan03/113273.asp ), how could they come up with the money to do even more?

Wow! That looks like quite the tangled mess! Good thing many of those weren't built.



Anyway, here is a very cool old picture of Milwaukee circa late 1920's/early 1930's??




http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/wi/milwaukee/postcards/bevdtm.jpg

why is the marquette interchange being reconstructed? how is it going to be reconstructed? is the layout going to be different?

MSP- that layout of the Freeway system is intense, almost looks like Minneapolis' Sysytem.

But if you click on the link that Markitect gave us and click on the picture that JS has, i think that very outter bypass might help congestion and for future use (when Milwaukee gets bigger). I know that Freeway destroy neighborhoods and but it would spur suburban develpment ,but just a thought. Plus it would never clear with the public..

@neqquah: The Marquette interchange is being completely reconstructed because it is on the verge of falling apart. It is a pretty old interchange, and i think they even have to make emergency repairs to it now, to make sure it lasts through the construction. On top of that, the design is very substandard. All the left turning movements are left exits and entrances, in addition, even, to a RIGHT turn being a left exit (I-794 West to I-43 North). Left exits are bad because they require trafic to cut across the faster moving traffic to exit, and left entrances are bad because the slow moving trafic from a ramp must accelerate quickly to merge with the fast traffic in the left lane. Finally, all the ramps are one lane, and in the improved design, most will be two lanes. Here is an illustration of what the new interchange will look like:

The lower left hand corner is north on this map
http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/projects/d2/marquette/images/buildright.jpg

As to HOW they will reconstruct it, that is a bit tricky, but some ramps will be closed for extended periods. It will be messy, but they are making efforts on how to make it as smooth as can reasonably expected.

@djcody: i am confused, becase i think the outer bypass in the JS article's map and the outer bypass in my map are the same thing, unless you are refering to the newer, but basically dead, proposal for a northern link between US 41/45 and I-43. If so, i agree that it could be a usefull freeway, but would do major damage to the neighborhoods it went through.

Your comparison to the freeway system of the Twin Cities is accurate, i think. They went on a building spree about 30-40 years ago, but now the freeways have suffered from underfunding, and are generally very narrow, often 4 lanes, with VERY substandard interchanges, damn cloverleaves all over the place! To reconstruct the whole system would cost untold billions.

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But if you click on the link that Markitect gave us and click on the picture that JS has, i think that very outter bypass might help congestion and for future use (when Milwaukee gets bigger). I know that Freeway destroy neighborhoods and but it would spur suburban develpment ,but just a thought. Plus it would never clear with the public.</smallfont>


Actually, the way metro Milwaukee has developed since the 1960s-70s (when those bypass proposals were planned), if they were built today, they would not do much, if anything at all, to combat congestion--they'd actually be "too close" to the center of development as it stands today. If an outer bypass were built these days, it'd have to be west of Oconomowoc at least.

As for suburban development--that's not always a good thing to have, because a majority of the time, it comes in the form of wasteful sprawl. We need to start growing smarter, not faster, or further out into the boonies. The very nature of freeways does not encourage any other kind of development <i>except</i> for sprawl.

Regarding the north bypass link discussed in 2001 that I mentioned earlier...

The Southeastern Wiscosnin Regional Plannig Commission (SEWRPC) had three possible routes in mind for connecting I-43 on the east with US 41-45 on the west:

- a Pioneer Road (Highway C) corridor - through Mequon and Germantown

- a County Line Road corridor - through Mequon, Brown Deer, Menomonee Falls, and Germantown

- a Good Hope Road corridor - through River Hills, Glendale, and Milwaukee

SEWRPC noted that NONE of those proposed corridors, if built, would reduce congestion on the existing freeway system by 2020 (just as none of the current congestion will be reduced by 2020 if all existing freeways (no bypasses) were widened one lane in each direction).

walkers point tour to-nite.

<B><I>Originally posted by MSPtoMKE:</i></b>
I am a little fuzzy as to where the cleared ROW is located, I think it is on the part that is going diagonal along Fond du Lac.

Yep, that's where it is. The swath of cleared land runs just south of FDL Avenue and just north of W. North Avenue all the way to N. 43rd Street--residents in that neighbrohood managed to successfully halt the demolition of their homes thought a court hearing, money ran out, and the freeway was never built.

Some of the land that was cleared has been redeveloped, but there are still sizable chunks left sitting wide open in the inner city neighborhoods.

<img src="http://www.cyburbia.org/gallery/data/500/988park_west_corridor.jpg" HEIGHT="350"</img>

I should say that i got these scans from a webpage by a guy by the name of Craig Holl. They are from a book called "Greater Milwaukee's Growing Pains, 1950-2000: An Insider's View"

What a coincidence, I just found that website the other day too. I also have the Greater Milwaukee Growing Pains book too (autographed as well)--an interesting read (because not much has been written about Milwaukee's "recent" history), even though I don't agree with all of what the author had to say.

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Hmm...Interesting... (http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/jan03/114182.asp)

Endangered rare Civil War-era buildings endangers proposed tower. (http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/jan03/114420.asp)

^^^This is why the Milwaukee will probably never be able to become a thriving, modern city. Most of the people who live just refuse to let go of the past and look toward the the future.

I disagree. Buildings from that era are very rare in Milwaukee, and while they look pretty shabby right now, they can always be fixed up. There are other places in Downtown Milwaukee for this proposed nice shiny modern tower to go.

"But Jarosz, an architect who has specialized in adapting old buildings to new uses, said he wished the owner and developers would build instead on a vacant lot or parking lot.

"I don't own any parking lots," Levine said."


:wallbash:

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Thats like the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life, give me old structures anyday. Besides, this tower doesn't even need to be built right on top of an old historic building.

Are you kidding me?

No.

Many skylines and neighborhoods are ruined by the designer who looks up rather then around!

wow... that was embarassing

Hmmm...even though i have mixed feelings about this...i kinda want it to be built...but no in my back yard!

I believe that it can be said that every building that was built before 1900 or 1950 or even 1990 is a historic building. All I know is that if it smells like crap and if it looks like crap, it's probably crap and in this case I would agree that it's crap!

Tear the stupid crap down and build anew! For Gods sakes man that block looks like shit!!!

OKAY!!!


I guess one old building is worth this 'masterpiece'

Saw a rendering for the Universitry Club Tower today. Looks pretty nice, actually. It really compliments the adjacent University Club, IMO. I don't have a pic, but looks very similar to the Park Tower in Chicago (only shorter and a greyish hue)


http://www.aviewoncities.com/img/chicago/kveus267b.jpg

Tear the stupid crap down and build anew! For Gods sakes man that block looks like shit!!!
Thank you Paule, I totally agree...I went back to Page 26 or so to view the building again, and the scrolled down the page to view the old buildings...big difference in the quality of appearance, if you ask me. Nuf said

But then again. That is totally my opinion...

I dunno. I am not fond of the building that is right there, so in this case I am all for it's destruction and the construction of a new tower. But I am that kinda person. I mean there are some buildings of age that I definatly would not tear down, but you can't save 'em all, and I don't see the point in saving that one.

But who knows. We have to see what will happen. I am rooting for the new tower though! :lol: :lol: :lol:

And that is a ncie pic of University Club Tower. I haven't seena rendering of it before until now! Where is it supposed to be located?

Originally posted by ThatGuy:
I dunno. I am not fond of the building that is right there, so in this case I am all for it's destruction and the construction of a new tower. But I am that kinda person. I mean there are some buildings of age that I definatly would not tear down, but you can't save 'em all, and I don't see the point in saving that one.

The point of saving it is that it's one of the only (if not the only) block of commercial buildings built during that era in Downtown Milwaukee (and probably anywhere else in the city, too).

Rare crappy things are fixed up all the time--from buildings to cars. Just because it looks like crap (and yes, I will agree that it does--the "modernizations" made on the buildings greatly messed up their appearance), doesn't mean it should just be knocked down. Don't get me wrong, I want to see new and forward-looking development in Milwaukee, more than anybody else here, but I do think that these old buildings have potential, just like the proposed tower has potential on some other site in Downtown.


And that is a ncie pic of University Club Tower. I haven't seena rendering of it before until now! Where is it supposed to be located?

That's not a picture of University Club Tower. It's a picture of the building in Chicago that Fiddler says the UCT sort of looks like (note he said he didn't have a picture of UCT). I saw a rendering of the University Club Tower a few months back, and it does bear some resemblance to the building Fiddler showed--it was kinda boring, bland, and plain looking looking.

The site of the proposed tower is immediately to the south of where Kilbourn Tower is going to be built. Right next door, on Prospect Avenue, just south of Kilbourn Boulevard, next to the University Club. As far as I've heard, it's still in the marketing/feasability stage.

I really don't see how that was embarassing. Actually, I was asking our resident moron if he was actually pulling that massive of a 180. Read way back in this thread, and you'll find that hypocritical jerk saying EXACTLY the opposite. I'm getting sick of this game.

Ok, can we pleeeeease not start with this again? lets try to talk about Milwaukee, instead of our personal views of others. thanks! :)

LOL! CITYGOD AND HIS INFAMOUS ANGER SURGES!

And that is a ncie pic of University Club Tower. I haven't seena rendering of it before until now! Where is it supposed to be located? - ThatGuy


Oh, C'MON! Do you even read!?!

I mean, http://www.aviewoncities.com/img/chicago/kveus267b.jpg

How can you even think about thinking this is University Club Tower? How do you get 25 floors our of the building posted above?!

Woah, calm down there buddy, simple mistake. I read fast. Sorry, I will never be human again.

As for the tearing down of the building, I understand it has historical importance, and I understand people like it, but for my personal view, I wouldn't mid seeing it go. I mean if we tried to save every single building in the city like that...I don't even want to think about it. But again, my personal opinion, but I totally respect yours.

Originally posted by ThatGuy:
I mean if we tried to save every single building in the city like that...I don't even want to think about it.

Comparing saving this block of old buildings to saving every single old building in the city is like comparing apples to oranges. We're not talking about every single old building here, so this is a very poor defense for your argument.

Besides, if old buildings weren't saved, we wouldn't have places like the Third Ward, Walker's Point, or Brady Street. Those areas are/were filled with all kinds of old run down buildings (from the post Civil War-era). Entire neighborhoods were fixed up, rehabilitated, revitalized. Places where most people wouldn't dare step foot are now bustling with activity. And guess what? Despite all that revitalization, we still got new developments to up in other nearby areas. The same is true for Downtwon and this block of buildings/proposed tower.

There are plenty of other sites in Downtown Milwaukee where the proposed tower could be built that wouldn't require the demolition of such rare builidngs (though shabby looking--with the potential to be fixed up). Hell, there are plenty of sites in Downtown Milwaukee that wouldn't require the demolition of ANY buildings at all AND they're just a few blocks away from this site. Let's build on top of the surface parking lots Downtown before we starte tearing down old buildings to put up new ones. Let's fix up the old buildings into something nice. That way, we kill two birds with one stone, in a sense--we get rid of unsightly surface parking lots with a nice, forward-looking tower AND we get rid of the shabby looking Civil War era buildings by fixing them up and putting them to better use. Then by doing that, the demolition cost for putting up this tower on the historic sute could be redistributed over to the design and construction of the tower someplace else nearby, and possibly result in an even better looking design.

I think we all are on our periods today !!:bash:

after walking around downtown up here a few times, i realized that this town has damn near as many surface parking lots as buildings, period. THAT's why those old buildings shouldn't be torn down.

whoops! i guess i should read more thoroughly before i post. i'm just seconding what markitect said. i'm so embarassed.

By all means, keep seconding away! :)

I totally see your point, but for me the only place I do not like to see stunted buildings is on Wisconsin Ave. I know that is not a good argument to tear them down, but like I said before, my personal taste. I can't help what I would like done and not done. Besides, it's not like I have any say in what actually goes on.

I just got done reading some other threads(including this one), and it seems like people can't voice their opinions with out getting their heads ripped off. Why is that? Are we really that immature? I don't see why we can't be adults when we respond back on the forum. Maybe we should think before we type, because sometimes its not worth people's time to read someone bitch at another someone. What about Milwaukee?

What about Milwaukee????

I am sick and tired of it.

let's ignore the idiot.

Anyway, how are the new pictures coming cubercle?

well, i've been using my pal tim's camera but he took it back for a bit. i have a schlitz park tour that's kind of short but i'll try and put it up tonight or tomorrow. the others aren't really complete and i like to have things cohesive when i post them, so hopefully i'll get the camera back soon. if i had a job maybe i'd buy one. and it's my birthday. how depressing.

Hello all fellow Milwaukeeans. I am from the Milwaukee area also. But I am currently away at school away from here. But I thought I would say hello to you all.:)

Hi benscrape! :hi: Welcome to our little corner of the forum! It has been kind of slow here the last few days....

Stick around, and post your comments. You don't actually have to be IN Milwaukee to post here :)

Hey. Well i thought i should write this one day or another. I was following this thread ever since it orginially appeared on sspage.com. I moved to the Milwaukee area a year and 3 months ago and before that I lived in Brooklyn for about 6 years. Im only 14 so dont think that im a college student or some adult living with his wife. Im just some dumbass kid but whatever. Milwaukee is pretty cool and has some nice neighborhoods but you know I cant compare it to NY. Anyways Ill be coming to this forum daily and i hope to know more of you guys. Later :D

Nice to meet you both BklynProjects and Benscrape. We love new forumers!

Wow, 2 new Milwaukee Forumers in 1 day! Well, actually both claim dual residency with somewhere else, but ok. Welcome BklynProjects! Yeah, i really don't think ANY city can compare with NYC.

Welcome!

So does any1 know if theyre gonna build anything in place of the freeway that theyre demolishing? theres lots of free space there now. I hope to see some new proposed towers.

Brklynprojects: Welcome to the forum. Another fourmer is cool. And its pretty cool that you are from New York. I actually know someone who is 15 from Brooklyn. He (was) in my drivers ed class.

Originally posted by BklynProjects:So does any1 know if theyre gonna build anything in place of the freeway that theyre demolishing? theres lots of free space there now. I hope to see some new proposed towers

Nothing official has been announced yet as far as proposed buildings go, as the demolition is not completed. The urban design guidelines laid out for the corridor identify a few key locations for towers to be built. It is envisioned that the corridor will have a variety of builting types and mixed land uses--housing, office, retail, entertainment, and parking. Of course, this will al depend on the market, financing, and the economy.

MSPtoMKe- I love your signature! It made me laugh! Thanks a lot...
Welcome BklynProjects and Benscrape! I'm sure you'll be at home on this page. hehe.
:wave:

djcody: Hehe, thanks, i just changed it yesterday. I even took the time to type the whole thing out, no copy and paste job for me! :)

Professor Frink Rules!
http://image.photoloft.com/opx-bin/OpxFIDISA.dll?s=cano&src=/PhotoLoft/Asset20/2003/02/08/10323/10323306_0_5368.fpx,0,0,1,1,286,293,FFFFFF

It snowed today! :)

http://image.photoloft.com/opx-bin/OpxFIDISA.dll?s=cano&src=/PhotoLoft/Asset20/2003/02/08/10323/10323625_0_8014.fpx,0,0,1,1,800,600,FFFFFF

Maybe it will even stick around this time...

lol yeah one of the reasons my mom moved to milwaukee was cuz she thought there would be much more snow here than in ny but it seems as if ny got even more snow this year. And also, i heard that they were going to build a harley davidson museum where the freeway is being demolished along with some movie theatre or something.

Originally posted by BklynProjects: And also, i heard that they were going to build a harley davidson museum where the freeway is being demolished along with some movie theatre or something.

From what's been reported publically so far, the plans for a Harley-Davidson museum are a little indefinate right now. Last Novemeber, Harley, and the developer and architects working on the proposal announced that their propsal for putting a museum into part of the old Schlitz Brewery complex adjacent to the Park East Freeway corridor disovered that idea was too expensive. They had been planning to use the brewery site for a few years, but eventually found out they couldn't afford to make it work. I believe I heard the building had some structural deficinecies for their purposes, and they couldn't afford strengthening up the building to make it work.

They have said they'd consider looking at some other buildings in the area, possibly somewhere else in the old Schlitz complex, or a different site near the Park East. I also heard from some non-newspaper sources that they were looking in other parts of town. We'll just have to wait and see.

HI! It seems like there are a lot of Milwaukee forumers here-
anyways, what's the current progress of the u/c building in that pic (forgot the name), mps-mke? I haven't been downtown lately. It looks like that pic was taken yesterday, when it snowed?

Yep, that picture was from yesterday. Basically, they have the elevator cores up, and the first few floors are framed. There is still a ways to go.

I like the new design. We can be exited, we haven't had much downtown developemnt for years! i don't se why they would want to destroy Kilbourn Tower if it's built, we haven't had a skyscraper in years.

I was wondering what actually counts as the city of Milwaukee. Does Brown Deer count? or Shorewood or somethin. I was just kinda wonderin where it begins and where it ends.

Brown Deer and Shorewood are both suburbs that are seperate from the City of Milwaukee, but part of the Milwaukee metro area. Milwaukee's city limits are sort of convoluted and hard to describe, but you can go to http://www.gis.ci.mil.wi.us/isa/Map_Milwaukee/ to see a map of the city limits. The zoomed out map doesn't have any labels, unfortunately, but you can zoom in and see street names and even property lines and buildings if you go in far enough, It is pretty neat. Hope this helps.

oh ok thanx

Here's an update on Kilbourn Tower (construction to start in 8 weeks). (http://milwaukee.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/stories/2003/02/10/story5.html)

I would really like to see what the skyline would look like with all the proposed and under construction towers.

You won't find any renderings of all of the projects inserted into the skyline in one single image--that's not how architectus and developers work, especially when they're in competition with each other. But you can find find renderings of each individual building--some are skyline shots and some are just ground level shots done from close-up.

Any new renderings that somebody finds for any Milwaukee project are almost always posted here in this thread. Have a look through the previous pages of this thread to see what's been posted (unfortunately the Search feature for the message boards has been disabled temporarily--that would make your taks much easier to do).

You might also want to check out the message board at www.skyscraperpage.com/forum too.

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (www.jsonline.com) is an invaluable source as well. Any articles announcing major (and sometimes minor) projects will have a rendering included.

And here's a list of tower projects (the ones with renderings that have been published) to use in your search:

- Kilbourn Tower (almost ready start construction)
- Cathedral Place (under construction-still working on the concrete skeleton)
- 1522 on the Lake (under construction-almost finished, working on interiors)
- Unnamed tower on E. Wisconsin Avenue (still in marketing/conceptual stage)
- 875 E. Wisconsin (not a tower, under construction-still working on the sketelton)
- River Tower (proposed a few years ago, this project is now dead, but renderings were released a few years ago)

Some of the proposals haven't had any renderings publically published in the newspaper yet:

- University Club Tower (in marketing/feasability stages, the last I heard--renderings of this project do exist, but they haven't been in the newspapers yet)
- Unnamed tower on N. Water Street (proposed to replace the Marcus Center for Performing Arts parking structure, across the street from 1000 N. Water)

well, it's nice to see it go up!

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lol, check out this funky little place called Lean's Custard-
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Sprry, double post

That is on the south side, it looks like Cudaha, although I could be wrong, I don't know the south side well.

We covered Leon's Custard already, if you had looked a few posts down from the original posting of those pictures. It's at the corner of S. 27th Street and W. Oklahoma Avenue. It is said to have been one of the inspirations for Arnold's--the local hangout for Richie, Fonzie, and the gang in the Milwaukee-based TV show "Happy Days."

As for the waterfront shot, it's way way too close to be a view from Cudahay or even St. Francis (they're too far south to get an angle of the skyline like this). That picture might be taken from a boat, or from the breakwater in Milwaukee Bay, or from the marinas at the southern end of Jones Island.

I wanna try to post a pic lets see if it works

http://www.december.com/places/mke/images/bradyhw.jpg

k I wanna try again off a different website

http://public.fotki.com/hbreuer/milwaukee/mil10.html

http://public.fotki.com/hbreuer/milwaukee/mil22.html

none of these are taken by me

Damn none of the ones from fotki.com worked

well u can view them tho if you right click, go to properties and paste the url into ur browser

Its ok Projects, we've seen them all anyway.;)

Ye i know that i was just trying out these pics to see if it would work

Fotoki only allows hotlinking from paying members, and even then , not on the full sized image, so the one you were trying to link from probably was not a paying member.

There is a section in the About Skyscrapercity forum for testing image postings, located here http://skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=88 for future refernce.

heres a pretty cool pic of milwaukee i found in jsonline

http://www.jsonline.com/desk/histwis/images/rowbig.jpg

does Milwaukee have any attached rowhouses kinda like concinnati does? i dunno the area that well so i just wanted to ask you cuz i love those

Yeah its got some, but not in the same style as ones you would see in cities like STL, Cincy, NYC, Phillie, or Pittsburgh.


Here is a good example-(taken by cubercle) http://www.cyburbia.org/gallery/data/500/1137essob011.jpg

But this is a far more common sight- http://www.cyburbia.org/gallery/data/500/1137essob009.jpg

Thats pretty cool. The whole city does seem to be made out of cream colored brick while cities like STL are all red. But thats good that Milwaukee has its own personality

And does anyone know when cubercle will post more of his tours cuz ive only seen the east side (south) and walkers point

The cream colored bricks of older Milwaukee buildings is a result of the unusually high concentration of magnesium and calcium in the local clay. When this redish-brown clay was fired in brickmaking kilns, it came out as cream colored brick. With all many buildings built with this brick, Milwaukee gained the knickname "Cream City."

Cream bricks are rarley made in Milwaukee anymore, most (if not all) production of cream brick here ended in th 1920s. It's most likely that any cream brick you see being used in new construction today is actually recycled brick.

As for another photo tour from Cubercle, he said he'll post some more when he's good and ready--basically when he has the time to take enough pictures to get a decent "tour" of a certain part of town, sort through the good ones, and post them.

i'll post schlitz park/brewers hill tonight, but it'll only be about 15 pictures. i'm still waiting to get my friends camera back.

also, on the near south side (just west of walker's point and I-94) there are some attached rows that are pretty eastern. not entire blocks like philly or anything, but pretty cool for milwaukee. by the way, is that old pic michigan street? thers that one building with the kind of belltower that i think is still there.

Originally posted by Cubercle:
by the way, is that old pic michigan street? thers that one building with the kind of belltower that i think is still there.

Close. The picture is taken looking north along Broadway, at the corner of Buffalo Street in the Third Ward. That stretch of Broadway is known as Commission Row--a collection of produce warehouses. Some of them are still in use today for these purposes.

The building in the background with the bell tower is the Mackie Building (also known as the Grain Exchange or Chamber of Commerce Building), a few blocks north on Michigan Street.

ok. i thought it was taken looking west on michigan, like in this picture i took:

http://www.cyburbia.org/gallery/data/500/1137belltower.jpg

compared to:

http://www.jsonline.com/desk/histwis/images/rowbig.jpg

so a lot of those old buildings were torn down to build 794?

Thats strange, because somewhere (I think on jsonline) that most of the buldings taken in that old picture are indeed still there.

As it turns out, Cubercle and I are both half-wrong / half-right.

Those buildings are definitely not on Michigan Avenue (keep in mind the bell tower of the Mackie Building is identical on all four sides and tall enough to be visible from north, south, east, and west).

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The captions in the JSOnline photo archive do not say whether those particular buildings (that Bklyn posted) are still standing or not. It does, however, say the picture was taken at Broadway and Detroit Street (which was renamed St. Paul Avenue). This means that particular block of Commission Row was indeed demolished to make way for I-794. So I was too far south by one block when I said it was at Buffalo Street.

But anyway, here is a shot of the rest of Commission Row, taken from Broadway and Buffalo. The buildings in the foreground are indeed still standing.

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Cubercle, i really like how you did that "then and now" comparison, i was really impressed. Way to go bro! Even if you guys were half right/wrong. It still looks great! Man those are some big canopies.

Sorry I haven't been around much guys but I've been busy!

I came acros these arerial shots taken from a plane about to land at Mitchell Inter. so thought I'd drop in and post.

Since I've been gone my ranchoweb is now requireing payment for linking so I wont use that anymore. I did find something that at least I can provide you the url so click on to the link and enjoy!!!

http://picserver.student.utwente.nl/getpicture.php?id=59660

http://picserver.student.utwente.nl/getpicture.php?id=59666

Wow. paule, thats quite a find! Looks like the perfect day, too. Funny to see the Firstar building the only distinguisable skyscraper in the second pic! And look at that south side density!

Going with that theme...

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@Paule: I have been using Canon Hyperphoto, and it has been working fine for me. http://hyperphoto.photoloft.com/canon.asp?s=cano

Where does the Mitchell Int'l airport rank among others as being the biggest, and the busiest?.....

Anyone know what happened to laladeda?

Ok, this thread has been dead for long enough. Time for some pictures! These were taken last weekend, it was a chilly, but sunny day.

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The last panorama is a few weeks old. Enjoy! I've got bigger versions if anyone wants a new desktop wallpaper :)

HELLO!?! ... Hello?! ...Hello?... hello

ECHO!!!... Echo!! ...Echo!... Echo

:D

dang, those shore are purty. too bad the 6th st. pano shows how much nothing there is in the ol' menominee river valley.

Way cool pics, dude. I got some of the 6th street Viaduct and the area around Amtrak on my trip to Minneapolis this weekend. I'll have to upload them and post them soon.

Thanks for the comments, guys. I hope to see those pics soon, CG5. What did you do in Minneapolis? Did you have fun? DID YOU TAKE PICTURES??? :D That is a silly question, of course you did, but post 'em, i am having withdrawl symptoms! I've taken Amtrak there once (I assume that is how you got there, by your post), it is pretty scenic. You certainly get an interesting view of the Menomonee Valley that cuburcle mentioned.

Originally posted by cubercle:
too bad the 6th st. pano shows how much nothing there is in the ol' menominee river valley.

This will be changing in the next few years.

$300 million and no high-rises? Oh well.
http://www.jsonline.com/bym/news/feb03/121390.asp

First I have to reply to that - the renderings they show are awesome. Tower or no tower, this will be an awesome development. Now on to those pics...

First off, AMTRAK is not in the ideal location for skyline shots, but I took a few for shits n' giggles.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid53/p70462d4bda1b4413a95571d886e76b95/fc933d0b.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid53/p773564401548652e1acd60b2cd969196/fc933d10.jpg

Then we have the viaduct (the other one wound up crappy.)
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid53/p400c5a727713091ffcd8b5a590c7b249/fc933d13.jpg

And an old building in the aforementioned Menominee River Valley that's just BEGGING to be redeveloped.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid53/p78ff1665da5ea41954489b10a9308731/fc933d0e.jpg


Now that that's all said and done, I did take a lot of pics in Minenapolis. Here's a link to the first part. There are links at the bottom of each thread leading to the next part.

http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=22386

And here is a link to a separate thread I made with pics of the USBank Building.

http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=21845

This one is cool! :okay:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid53/p400c5a727713091ffcd8b5a590c7b249/fc933d13.jpg

How 'bout sending a little love SSC's way and posting the Minneapolis shots here too, for all to see? :D

Originally posted by Jason:
$300 million and no high-rises? Oh well.
http://www.jsonline.com/bym/news/feb03/121390.asp

No highrises in the PabstCity (a somewhat better name than the previous "BrewCity" And "Blue Ribbon City") yet--that doesn't mean none will ever be proposed on the site. The developers seem to be rehabbing/adding on to much of the existing buildings in the Pabst Brewery, as opposed to new construction. That doesn't mean they won't consider any new construction. And don't forget, there are some relatively tall buildings already on the Pabst site--like the grain silos (which have been converted into residnetial units and office spaces in other cities).

Also, in the Park East Redevelopment PLan, the City has identified a site near the Pabst Brewery on which it would like to see a high-rise built. It's on N 6th Street between the new McKinley Boulevard and Juneau Avenue (which is where one of the ramps to the soon-to-be-completely-demolished Park East Freeway stood).

How weird would it be living in an old grain silo?

"Hey baby. Wanna come back to my place?"
"Sure. Where do you live?"
"You know thos old grain silos? Hey! Where are you going?"

Yo MSPtoMKE - here's the link you're lookin' for:

http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28302

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Hey-you know the old Lappin Electric Building? I work there.

"Hey, you wanna come to my office?"
"Sure, where is it?"
"You know, that old ICE CREAM factory on 4th street north of the old Park East? Hey, where are you going?"

Does any1 know where I can get good pics of the south side, the north side, or the west side cuz most of the pics i see are either downtown or the east side

damn why is this forum so slow. Nobody posts here

damn why is this forum so slow. Nobody posts here

Interesting. I've never had a problem with it being slow.

If you know of another good/active forum other than this and skyscraperpage.com, please let me know!

I know of one for Madison ;)

im saying that skyscraperpage is much more active than this. this forum gets like 2 posts per day

what kind of town doesnt plow and/or salt at least their MAIN streets? in chicago they at least plowed the MAIN streets. christ. don't they have winter here every year? don't they expect snow? i'm ready to stangle somebody.

that's right- STANGLE!

cubercle, you scary avatar and your talk of stangling is SCARING me! :)

Yeah, i looked out the window and Maryland Ave. does not looked plowed. True, we havent gotten tons of snow yet, but i would think it should have been plowed by now. And from the looks of the radar, we it looks like we will be getting a fair amount for once.

The DPW usually waits until theres a good amount of snow on the ground before the plows are sent out. It makes no sense (and costs a lot of cents and dollars) to send them out during an early part of a snowfall (say an inch on the ground) only to have to go out again in a few hours to do it all over again (after a few more inches).

I've seen several plows and salters go by on Locust tonight, so they're definately out there.

I'd just like to say thanks for Ray Allen Milwaukee - great trade for both of us!

Yeah, great trade:mad:


;) Give me Ray Allen anyday.

Is US Cellular Arena a good place to watch a game? I'm going there Friday :guns1: Horizon League Tournament

I've been to a game or two at the arena. It's OK, I guess. Of course, it's a smaller venue, so you can be somewhat close to the action if you're in the right seats. Nothing special.

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i think it's a safety issue. i almost got rear ended by a truck and t-boned by a car that was sliding through a red light on humboldt. plus it took me 45 minutes to get from north and farwell to humboldt and capitol. plus it was like a quarter to seven, almost pitch black in a snowstorm, and the streetlights weren't even on. it started snowing at about 4pm, and i didn't see any plows till about 10. and i live on a main artery. plow the main roads for christ's sake. i didnt ask for the city to shovel my front porch, here.

With Gary Payton on the floor the Bucks have been 3 & 3 - not bad.......but Gary is no Allen! :cool: Allen rocks........he can do anything........:eek:

STOP RUBBING IT IN!!:mad:

;)

:D

so... does any1 know where i can find pics of the north, west, or south side of milwaukee?

i plan on taking some as soon as i get the camera back.

cool. make sure to take lots of pics of the residential parts

i always do.

Cubercle can be our city photographer! Hehe. I bet he wants a salary, lol.

well, i do need a job. i may begin working at the home depot (or crib depot, as we call it) on capitol and port washington in the near future. hit me up in the garden department, yo! but anyway, i'm going to vegas this weekend and when i get back i should have some new stuff up. for example...

http://www.cyburbia.org/gallery/data/500/1137abc.jpg

Weird...I was just at Cyburbia and I noticed that pic. Now I'm seeing it again about ten seconds later. (I just switched windows.) Cool pic, btw.

I may not have anything new in terms of Milwaukee, but I'll be in Madison this weekend. So I'll have pics of Madison next week. Take it or leave it. ;)

Hey CG5,
Let me know if you want to share any of those Madison photos on my site. Atleast post them here.

http://www.skyscraperpage.hpg.com.br/northamerica/mil01.jpg

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Holy Shite Milwaukee is magnificent - how dare I not see more of this city on the forums! :eek:

Excellent pics!

Wow, it looks like you had quite the time, BGT. Thanks for the photos. You should post them in the rest of the forum, since not many people outside of Milwaukee check this thread. Thats why you don't see much of Milwaukee on the forums, Rainier :)

UWM is going to the NCAA tournement.... :yes: :banana: :booze: :cheers1:

you can check out my old milwaukee photos at the link below now. i said "old milwaukee". yuk yuk yuk.

Hi Guys, its me again. I promised some pics from Milwaukee a couple months ago, and now that I have a digital camera, I can finally make good on that promise.

Nuff respect to the kindly webmaster of http://www.skyscraperpage.hpg.com.br, on which these images are hosted.

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In these pics, I'm trying to catch the 'soul' of milwaukee, rather than just take senic pics because there are others here who are far, far better at it than me, a humble amateur photographer. I also apologize for the poor image quality of some of the shots.I don't have a tripod, so when you take pictures at night that you want to see, you got to stand really... really... still... Doesn't always turn out perfect :(

(In other words, I'm setting up my excuse if they turn out bad ;))


First, Milwaukee in the Snow:

http://www.skyscraperpage.hpg.com.br/northamerica/milwaukee/m_sn1.jpg

http://www.skyscraperpage.hpg.com.br/northamerica/milwaukee/m_sn2.jpg

http://www.skyscraperpage.hpg.com.br/northamerica/milwaukee/m_sn3.jpg



Next, Milwaukee on the Road:

http://www.skyscraperpage.hpg.com.br/northamerica/milwaukee/m_r1.jpg

http://www.skyscraperpage.hpg.com.br/northamerica/milwaukee/m_r2n.jpg

http://www.skyscraperpage.hpg.com.br/northamerica/milwaukee/m_r3.jpg



Next, Milwaukee at Night:

http://www.skyscraperpage.hpg.com.br/northamerica/milwaukee/m_n1.jpg

http://www.skyscraperpage.hpg.com.br/northamerica/milwaukee/m_n2.jpg

http://www.skyscraperpage.hpg.com.br/northamerica/milwaukee/m_n3.jpg

http://www.skyscraperpage.hpg.com.br/northamerica/milwaukee/m_n4.jpg

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http://www.skyscraperpage.hpg.com.br/northamerica/milwaukee/m_n6.jpg

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http://www.skyscraperpage.hpg.com.br/northamerica/milwaukee/m_n9n.jpg



Finally, Urban Milwaukee - some tags and hit ups by me and my crew:

http://www.skyscraperpage.hpg.com.br/northamerica/milwaukee/m_g1.jpg

http://www.skyscraperpage.hpg.com.br/northamerica/milwaukee/m_g2.jpg

http://www.skyscraperpage.hpg.com.br/northamerica/milwaukee/m_g3.jpg


That's all for now. I'll post another set of pics on a different theme in a few days. :)

Regards,
Jai

Awesome pictures guys!

BGT you rock man! Those pics are frickin awesome! I really hope you enjoyed your trip to Milw-Town. Nice 'soul' pics Jai, they definately are cool. especially those nite pics, i love milwaukee at night...

They're in the main skyline forum. Thanks for the comments! I had a great time in Milwaukee. US Cellular and the Bradley Center are perfect places to watch a game(I snuck into the Bucks game during OT). I didn't know Milwaukee had so many mid-rises. It definitely has a better skyline than Indy. All of those parking garages are good places to take pics from :D
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Tucker is going to dominant. I can't wait until the Sunday Selections.

it's true, milwaukee does have great midrise density. that's what i'm going to try to get across when i post my downtown threads.

yo yo yo where ma thug bitches at?

holla

Hi,

here are some more pics

http://www.skyscraperpage.hpg.com.br/northamerica/milwaukee/m_c1.jpg

http://www.skyscraperpage.hpg.com.br/northamerica/milwaukee/m_c2.jpg

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http://www.skyscraperpage.hpg.com.br/northamerica/milwaukee/m_c14.jpg

Those are some really great pictures, Jai! A great mix of different views from different areas. Keep on posting!

http://www.skyscraperpage.hpg.com.br/northamerica/milwaukee/m_c2.jpg

:omg:

That's the best picture of Milwaukee I've ever seen.
I didn't know that Milwaukee has such a nice skyline.

Great pics BGT!!! :okay:

Meadows- I wish INDIANA had Gary Payton, Tinsley is a pathetic ball handler.

UWM Page and Tucker are my heros

Holy $#!* we're rich with Milwaukee pictures! Good ones too!


Thanks for the posts guys :)

ooooooooo

No jizz! I've never seen so many Milwaukee pics in one place! Awesome job, guys. As for me, I should have my Mad Town pics loaded up by tomorrow. I'll let y'all know when I'm done with the thread.

I can't wait to see your Madison pictures. It will be interesting seeing what somebody who doesn't live in Madison considers photo-worthy.

Nicely done everyone...
God bless America.
We will win.

No, we can take Saddam down and destroy his army but even then we will be far, far from winning.

MiL-TowN, Please don't start trouble. This thread has been kept clean for awhile and I don't want to get off the subject of just concentrating on the happenings of Milwaukee. All your posting will do is insite anger and many disagreements due to many differing opinions on the subject you just posted. There are other threads on this board that you can post this message. I urge you not to post such an opinion here. When you post a message such as you have, could in the end cause this thread to be closed and I am sure none of the people who just want to know the happenings of Milwaukee want that to happen because a political opinion happened to get out of control caused by you. Post your opinion as you will. Just don't post a political opinion of world events of the like on this thread. Let's try to continue on concentrating on how to make Milwaukee better and not get into a dispute over an event we have no control over.

So you're saying that suddenly after Saddam Hussein is taken out, we will have won?

K.


Also, a statement like "We Will Win" I would think would insite more anger than my truthful post.

Originally posted by MiL-TowN:
So you're saying that suddenly after Saddam Hussein is taken out, we will have won?

K.


Also, a statement like "We Will Win" I would think would insite more anger than my truthful post.

Mil-town, please. You know what he's saying.

Don't post stuff in this thread that is off topic.

If you and anybody else wants to post about the war, go do it in the appropriate section of the message board.

Hello guys!
Great pictures everyone! Looks like I've been missing alot.

Mil-town, what MFO and Markitect says should and is directed toward djcody too so don't feel singled out.
I would have to respectfully disagree with MFO in that if this thread is closed we all will just start another one. Isn't that right CG5, by the way, can't wait for that Mad-city thread your talking about making for us. I love Madison!!!

The two Mad Town threads are up. They're floating around Urban Photos.

And don't worry about this thread being deleted. MiL-TowN's asinine comments would be deleted before this thread. Trust me. :)

BTW - I'm assuming this thread is a small stress on the bandwidth. Would anyone have a problem with having the mods chop off the first 20 pages or so, just to make the thread a bit shorter - and easier for the server to handle?

Paule, you are right I probably overstated my case a bit toward MiL-TowN. But it still shouldn't up to a few members stating controverial point of views that ruin what up to this point has been a good thread up to this point. I guess I was just making a point that when a posting gets out of control the site adm may take matters into their own hands and not that someone else may start another thread on how things are going in Milwaukee.

"How bout those Bucks beating the Nets!!" I guess there still is hope for the Bucks to make the playoffs.:) :cheers:

Originally posted by CG5:
BTW - I'm assuming this thread is a small stress on the bandwidth. Would anyone have a problem with having the mods chop off the first 20 pages or so, just to make the thread a bit shorter - and easier for the server to handle?

Since you asked, yes, I would have a problem with chopping pages out of this thread. There is a wealth of useful info burried back there that would be a shame to lose. Some of it is still pertinent, and it would suck to have to type out a brand new post just to repeat stuff we've already covered.

I would guess it's not really the length of this thread that's a burden on the server than it is all the photos on this entire forum. I'd rather have a size limit on the images we could post here, than to have to cut pages out of threads.

I'm curious, can somebody tell me where this is?
http://www.skyscraperpage.hpg.com.br/northamerica/milwaukee/m_c10.jpg

It's the building on the corner of N. Plankinton Avenue (in the foreground) and W. St. Paul Avenue (behind the building). It's on the very southern edge of Downtown, one block south of I-794 (also behind the building). The Post Office and Amtrak station (note the railroad tracks in the foreground) are just out of frame to the left (west). The Thrid Ward is just across the river, out of frame to the right (east).

Allright. Never mind the page deletion idea.

Hi everyone,

Thanks for the comments. I have a grip of pics I have taken but haven' t had the time to browse through and optimize. I'll post another series when I get the time to do so.


Anyway, for our resident Mil-gurus, I have a few [added after finishing post- correction, a lot of] random questions, some inspired today while I was studying in the Gola Meir library, and on a whim I looked for and found the Milwaukee history section and for the next seven hours ODed on Milwaukee historical pictures and the like, others idiotic things I've been pondering for a while, and really don't know where else to ask.


1. What is the oldest/are some of the oldest structures in Milwaukee?


2. In the Mne. River valley, between the 35th street bridge and Miller park, it looks like there are ruins of blocks of old buildings (tanneries?), with only the tall smokestacks next to the bridge remaining. What exactly was here, and why was it demolished? Does anyone have any pics of this area pre-demolishment? What plans are there for this rather large, vacant space?


3. Is it just me, or, downtown, are older buildings often surrounded and "hidden" by newer buildings on all sides. Case in point, while driving down Wisconsin, I noticed an older building, rising above some of the newer buildings (facades?) - iirc, dont quote me on this, but I think it was on the block between Wisconsin and Michigan and Milwaukee and Broadway. I didn't really have time to stop and look. But that one building with the big ladybug on it is one of the 'surrounding' buildings. Was it just me, or is there an old building hidden there? Is this 'surrounding' process a common thing?


4. Talking about the library, a while ago I saw a brilliant book called "Wisconsin then and now : the Wisconsin Sesquicentennial Rephotography Project" where photographers chose old photos of Wisconsin and Milwaukee, and took photos from the same place and in the same angle as the old photos, today. So you can see how the area has developed and changed. I had some questions from the photos of that book, which I cant remember off the top of my head..., but, yeah... anyway, if you can, check out that book. Very interesting.


5. I live on the south side, and I notice that most of the buildings, homes, etc. were built in the 1910s-1930s. Whole neighborhoods, it seems, at one time. Now these are somewhat historic buildings in an of themselves, but every once in the while, an even older building - cream brick, 100+ year old - turns up, either in full, or as a foundation (usually incorporated now as an ad-hoc fence.) These old buildings look like commercial buildings, not residential.

So my question is this, based on the existence of these random, old buildings built on untouched lots, scattered about in neighborhoods heavily dominated by 1910-30s era buildings, well, one can infer that these neighborhoods were built on even older neighborhoods (mainly residential, since Ive never noticed an old(er) residential building), and not on vacant land or farmland or whatever. Is this correct? If so, are there any examples of these older buildings - what I'm interested in seeing is how old residential buildings looked like.

I'll post later the addresses (or pictures) of these old buildings Im talking about. But can anyone post pictures of how the south side (area btw 6th st to 35th, valley to viaduct) looked like in the late 1800s or early 1900s (before that seeming housing boom)?


6. The housing near UWM, like on Locust coming up from -43, when were they built? To my untrained eye (architecture and urban planning is a relatively new obsession of mine) they seem to be similar to those of the s. side, so I'm guessing 1910-30s. But I've told that these houses were actually older?


7. Not as much a question as an observation: I've noticed that the Milwaukee area has a lot of old (100+ ys or more) buildings hidden away. These buildings are usually surrounded by trees or by other, newer, buildings in industrial or commerical complexes. They are often found by following abandoned railway tracks (Mke has a lot of these) or are exposed by bridges or other power or infrastructure developments.

Since one of my hobbies is 'urban art' (its different than vandalising grafitti), esp. photographing them, and since many of my friends also indulge in this activity, I often find myself walking (trespessing - shh!) in alleys and other hidden places, valleys, tracks, roads, etc. in search of older art, and places to use as canvas.

Off the top of my head I dont remember most examples of buildings (there are examples hidden behind the tracks that run paralell to that major road that runs up to Miller plant, in 'Tosa and Milwaukee itself.) I'm going to start keeping notes of where these buildings are. No pictures though - that wouldnt be terribly smart on my part (;)). Does anyone have other examples of such buildings?


8. Oh yeah, I do have another one. When was I-94 built, more specifically the part from Marquette Intchng. to 894? I know of the freeway plans (from being posted earlier in this thread) but those plans listed that stretch of 94 as already built as of 1964 or whatever. Before that part became freeway, was that developed land? Does 94 follow an old road or trail, or was one carved out?

WHEW. Thats it (for now, anyway ;)) Well, I'm glad to have got those nagging ?s off my chest. Thanks in advance to everyone for reading and hopefully answering (and satisfying my curiosity)

Thanks :)
Peace,
Jai

Ok ok, here is some compensation for the questions. I uploaded some nice pics of areas in and around Milwaukee:

http://www.skyscraperpage.hpg.com.br/northamerica/milwaukee/new1.jpg

http://www.skyscraperpage.hpg.com.br/northamerica/milwaukee/new2.jpg

http://www.skyscraperpage.hpg.com.br/northamerica/milwaukee/new3.jpg

http://www.skyscraperpage.hpg.com.br/northamerica/milwaukee/new4.jpg

http://www.skyscraperpage.hpg.com.br/northamerica/milwaukee/new5.jpg

Cheers! :cool:
-Jai

Originally posted by Jai:
Anyway, for our resident Mil-gurus, I have a few [added after finishing post- correction, a lot of] random questions, some inspired today while I was studying in the Gola Meir library, and on a whim I looked for and found the Milwaukee history section and for the next seven hours ODed on Milwaukee historical pictures and the like, others idiotic things I've been pondering for a while, and really don't know where else to ask.

Heh, funny you should mention that. I'm the same way. Whenerver I go there. I always end up spending half the day there looking up stuff about Milwaukee's history when I should be doing other more important things.

1. What is the oldest/are some of the oldest structures in Milwaukee?

You ought to check out the Milwaukee Architecture (http://people.msoe.edu/~reyer/mke/) website that Dr. Steven Reyer of the Milwaukee School Of Engineering has put together. He offers a chronological listing of a lot of buildings in and around Milwaukee.

Milwaukee actualy has the oldest building in North America. The St. Joan of Arc Chapel (http://people.msoe.edu/~reyer/mke/14xxa.html) was built sometime in the 1400s in France, and was eventually dissassembled, shipped across the Ocean to somewhere on Long Island (I think), reassembled, sat around for a while, then donated to Marquette University, dissassembled, shipped to Milwaukee, and reassembled on the Marquette campus. It is still used to this day as a chapel.

I believe the oldest known building in Milwaukee was the Daniel Richards house (http://people.msoe.edu/~reyer/mke/1837a.html) built in 1837, but I read it burned down in a fire last summer. It was on N. 1st Street, a couple blocks south of Locust Street.

2. In the Mne. River valley, between the 35th street bridge and Miller park, it looks like there are ruins of blocks of old buildings (tanneries?), with only the tall smokestacks next to the bridge remaining. What exactly was here, and why was it demolished? Does anyone have any pics of this area pre-demolishment? What plans are there for this rather large, vacant space?

That was the site of the Milwaukee Road railroad shops. It was a huge facility where much of the railroad's equipment was built, repaired, and stored. When the Milwaukee Road went out of business in the 1980s, the railroad’s holdings, including land and stations, were turned over to CMC Heartland Partners, a Chicago-based real estate development company. CMC had told the City that it planned on redeveloping the area, but after nearly 20 years, nothing ever materialized.

I have lots of photos of the Milwaukee Road Shops when it was still operational. If I have some time, I might scan a few.

CMC feels that the land should be redeveloped as a retail/enetertainment center. The City feels the land should be redeveloped as an industrial park. The City is in the process of getting the land condemned and taken away from CMC, so they can move ahead with redevelopment. CMC has threatened to challenge the actions in court.

Anyway, the City hopes to acquire the property sometime this year, so the site can be cleaned up (environmental contamination--the amount of which is still unknown), access can be improved (extending Canal Street to connect the east end of the Valley to Miller Park), and redeveloped into a sustainable industrial park and recreational area. Last summer, the City held a national design competition for the site, and details of the winning entry (http://renewthevalley.org/projects/project.html?a=show&pid=19) by Wenk and Associates of Devner is on display at the Menomonee Valley Partners website (http://renewthevalley.org/index.html[/url).

3. Is it just me, or, downtown, are older buildings often surrounded and "hidden" by newer buildings on all sides. Case in point, while driving down Wisconsin, I noticed an older building, rising above some of the newer buildings (facades?) - iirc, dont quote me on this, but I think it was on the block between Wisconsin and Michigan and Milwaukee and Broadway. I didn't really have time to stop and look. But that one building with the big ladybug on it is one of the 'surrounding' buildings. Was it just me, or is there an old building hidden there? Is this 'surrounding' process a common thing?

Newer buildings are built right next to older buildings all the time in just about every city.

4. Talking about the library, a while ago I saw a brilliant book called "Wisconsin then and now : the Wisconsin Sesquicentennial Rephotography Project" where photographers chose old photos of Wisconsin and Milwaukee, and took photos from the same place and in the same angle as the old photos, today. So you can see how the area has developed and changed. I had some questions from the photos of that book, which I cant remember off the top of my head..., but, yeah... anyway, if you can, check out that book. Very interesting.

Sounds very cool. I'll have to take a look.

5. I live on the south side, and I notice that most of the buildings, homes, etc. were built in the 1910s-1930s. Whole neighborhoods, it seems, at one time. Now these are somewhat historic buildings in an of themselves, but every once in the while, an even older building - cream brick, 100+ year old - turns up, either in full, or as a foundation (usually incorporated now as an ad-hoc fence.) These old buildings look like commercial buildings, not residential.

So my question is this, based on the existence of these random, old buildings built on untouched lots, scattered about in neighborhoods heavily dominated by 1910-30s era buildings, well, one can infer that these neighborhoods were built on even older neighborhoods (mainly residential, since Ive never noticed an old(er) residential building), and not on vacant land or farmland or whatever. Is this correct? If so, are there any examples of these older buildings - what I'm interested in seeing is how old residential buildings looked like.

I'll post later the addresses (or pictures) of these old buildings Im talking about. But can anyone post pictures of how the south side (area btw 6th st to 35th, valley to viaduct) looked like in the late 1800s or early 1900s (before that seeming housing boom)?

I'd need some pictures or addresses to give you a better answer. It could be that those older buildings were part of a settlement or neighborhood that was there before the rest of the area was built out. For instance, the BayView neighborhood was actually a suburb of Milwaukee (centered around the steel mill that used to be there) until its residents voted to be annexed into the City in the late 1800s. Or your assumptions on the dates of the buildings could be off.

6. The housing near UWM, like on Locust coming up from -43, when were they built? To my untrained eye (architecture and urban planning is a relatively new obsession of mine) they seem to be similar to those of the s. side, so I'm guessing 1910-30s. But I've told that these houses were actually older?

Generally speaking, the further north, south, and west you go, the younger the neighborhood. The Richards house I mentioned above is just 2 blocks south of Locust, and that was built in 1837. That would mean it was a farmstead originally (since Milwaukee was just a cluster of small buldings where today's Downtown stands), and most of the surrounding neighborhood came much later when the farmland was sold off to developers. Likewise, I live right off Locust (on the north) and my building was built around 1910, as were most of the buildings on my block, but there's a house a block to the north that was built in 1894 (that one too, was probably a farmhouse originally).

8. Oh yeah, I do have another one. When was I-94 built, more specifically the part from Marquette Intchng. to 894? I know of the freeway plans (from being posted earlier in this thread) but those plans listed that stretch of 94 as already built as of 1964 or whatever. Before that part became freeway, was that developed land? Does 94 follow an old road or trail, or was one carved out?

The stretch of I-94 between 13th and 68th Streets (roughly from the Marquette campus to State Fair Park, a good portion of the stretch between Marquette and I-894)), was opened on January 27, 1962.

That particular segment of I-94 follows the path of Milwaukee's once-vast electric interurban rapid transit system (in modern terms, we call this a light rail transit). Ditto for I-894 from roughly the Zoo south to Hales Corners.

ok, i've also got a question

does anyone know what's on the top of that hill across from Caesar's Park?(located on North Ave. between Homboldt and Holton)

It's strange how the city of Milwaukee let the city's oldest building go to hell.

Originally posted by neqqua:
ok, i've also got a question

does anyone know what's on the top of that hill across from Caesar's Park?(located on North Ave. between Homboldt and Holton)

It's the Kilbourn Reservoir, built in 1873 in Kilbourn Park.

Originally posted by MiL-TowN:
It's strange how the city of Milwaukee let the city's oldest building go to hell.

Actually, there were efforts underway in recent years to rehabilitate the house. The City only first acquired the house in 1997 through a tax foreclosure (it really coulsn't do much about it before then since it was private property) and then offered to sell the house for a dolloar to anybody who wanted to restore the house. And somebody took them up on the offer, and were working on it only a few months before it was destroyed by fire.

Makeover for eyesore: New owners working to restore what could be city's oldest house (http://www.jsonline.com/news/Metro/jan02/12306.asp)

Blaze destroys oldest house in Milwaukee (http://www.jsonline.com/news/State/jul02/55930.asp)

It didn't help that the house was located in a neighborhood that's perceived as somewhat sketchy, that has only recently begun to slowly turn around.

Also, at one time, the City had plans to turn the house into a newspaper museum--since Daniel Richards, the man who built it in 1837, started the first newspaper, the Milwaukee Advertiser--but those plans were shot down by people in the neighborhood.

So I'd say it's less the fault of the City than it is the people who've owned the house throughout the years (before the City aquired it). It's their responsibility first and foremost, to take good care of the property, since they owned it, not the City. The City cannot and should not have to do everything.

Lots of new details about the proposed University Club Tower (and a much nicer design than the previous version I saw last October):

Larger condos planned for University Club Tower (http://www.jsonline.com/bym/news/mar03/130012.asp)

Do you have a rendering of the old version of the University club Tower, Markitect? I have no recolection of what it looked like, for comparison.

It's the Kilbourn Reservoir, built in 1873 in Kilbourn Park.
I took a panorama from there on sunday
http://image.photoloft.com/opx-bin/OpxFIDISA.dll?s=cano&src=/PhotoLoft/Asset20/2003/04/01/10500/10500099_0_5440.fpx,0,0,1,1,1822,355,FFFFFF

Originally posted by MSPtoMKE:
Do you have a rendering of the old version of the University club Tower, Markitect? I have no recolection of what it looked like, for comparison.

Unfortunately no, I don't.

I don't remember where I saw the original concept for the tower, done by Calatrava...could have been at school a couple of years ago. I remember it had this really tall spire on it. I believe there were financing problems (and maybe some legal problems, something to do with Kilbourn Tower being proposed at the same time nextdoor (but diffeent than the NIMBY legal problems)), and Calatrava got busy with other projects around the world, and it sort of fell by the wayside.

The second scheme I saw at a Downtown Housing Expo exhibit last fall. It was your basic, uninspired box with balconies, designed by Kahler Slater, but I don't think it had the rounded corner facing the lake, like this latest design does (done by SOM and Kahler Slater).

There's still a way to go yet before this gets built, though. Still in the marketing stages, and the economy isn't that great right now. We'll see.

http://www.jsonline.com/graphics/bym/img/apr03/tower01_big.jpg

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I don't remember where I saw the original concept for the tower, done by Calatrava...could have been at school a couple of years ago. I remember it had this really tall spire on it. I believe there were financing problems (and maybe some legal problems, something to do with Kilbourn Tower being proposed at the same time nextdoor (but diffeent than the NIMBY legal problems)), and Calatrava got busy with other projects around the world, and it sort of fell by the wayside.

The second scheme I saw at a Downtown Housing Expo exhibit last fall. It was your basic, uninspired box with balconies, designed by Kahler Slater, but I don't think it had the rounded corner facing the lake, like this latest design does (done by SOM and Kahler Slater).

There's still a way to go yet before this gets built, though. Still in the marketing stages, and the economy isn't that great right now. We'll see.

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How tall ist that?

The current proposal for the University Club Tower, pictured above, stands at 32 stories and has 51 units.

Kilbourn Tower, which will break ground next month right nextdoor, will stand at 33 stories and will have 69-to-74 units.

Thats a really nice pic MSPtoMKE.

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So mabey 340 to 380?

Originally posted by Napptown:
So mabey 340 to 380?

The dimensional details of the proposed tower have not been released yet. But your guess seems pretty close, 340 at the very least.

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Thanks! It looks good! :okay:

The tower's 51 units have so far attracted reservation deposits from 23 prospective buyers, Mandel said. Each of those prospective buyers has provided a $25,000 deposit, which is refundable if the tower isn't built, he said.


With already almost 50% of the units having deposits put down my guess is that it will be built maybe a year or so from now.

I believe the already beautiful Milwaukee lakefront will be impoved even more with the Kilbourn and this tower standing side by side. Milwaukee is doing such a great job with it's lakefront, I'm just so impressed! The University Club Tower looks impressive enough. I like it!

What Milwaukee must focus on now is helping lower income housing devlopments in or around the downtown. If you want to argue this with me you'll also be argueing Whitney Gould who has been saying this for some time now.

Please forgive me, I knoweth not what to do when bored... (Please don't hate me Buck McAllister for butchering your Kilbourn diagram.)
http://webpages.charter.net/edgeauctions/madison-architecture/images/temp/1.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/edgeauctions/madison-architecture/images/temp/2.jpg

How that's photoshoping!


Nice picture. The first one looks a bit more to scale.

I know, it's pathetic, but I didn't really try either. Nonetheless, it helps with the visioning process. It pulls me to the conclusion that Milwaukee still needs more!

Ok Milwaukee guys, I'll be in town tonight (one night only), actually we'll be in Tosa while my wife takes care of some business (www.love2scrapbook.com business), but it won't take long. What should I do afterwards? I've been very bored lately and need something to do before I had back to Madtown. Anything exciting going on (other than Brewers home-opener)? Any recommended eats? Anything that doesn't require warm weather?

Oh, I forgot... "holy shit" to this...
http://www.biztimes.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=currentissue.welcome

As much as I'd like to say "I'll believe it when I see it," I can't help but wet my pants when I read something like that.

Amazing...a week of inactivity and then all of THIS! Amazing.

Finally, that hellhole is getting cleaned up. It's about time.:okay: