I am a U.S. citizen and would like to visit Saudi Arabia later this year. I plan to go alone and see the sights and sounds, learn about the culture, experience the food and take a Saudi Arabian Airlines domestic flight.

I'm not Muslim but I do own a Qur'an and would love to see the cities of Riyadh, Jeddah, Dammam, Mecca, Medina, Jizan and Tabuk if possible.

How can I find cheap hotels? I noticed that most of Saudi Arabia caters to the ultra luxurious lifestyle but I'm not that rich yet. Also I'm not sure if this is the right forum for this so if there are any other good resources of information I could look up that would be great.

Thanks in advance for all of your help. The last country I visited and immersed myself in was Jamaica so I know this will be a huge departure from that. No marijuana, skimpy dressed girls and rum flowing all over the place in Saudi Arabia. It still should be really nice. :)

You did come to the right place! So many Saudi SSC travel agents! ;)

I'm sure everyone here will help you plan a good trip.

When do you plan to go, and whats your expected route?

You did come to the right place! So many Saudi SSC travel agents! ;)

I'm sure everyone here will help you plan a good trip.

When do you plan to go, and whats your expected route?

I'm thinking of going in August or September. That is when my job contract is supposed to end and by that time I should have more than enough money to make a trip there work.

My ideal route is fly to Jeddah and while there see the Red Sea coast, take a day trip to Medina and another day trip to Mecca. After that take a domestic flight on a Saudi Arabian MD-90 (I'm a big airplane fan) to Riyadh. While there I would like to take a road trip to Dammam and even head into Bahrain for a little bit and head back to Riyadh to relax, enjoy the sights and sounds and then fly out.

I'm not sure if I could fit this in but I would like to visit either Jizan or Tabuk by air as a day trip as well. I have a lot of research to do if I plan to make this happen smoothly but I would love to see Saudi Arabia. Most people won't think this is a nice place to visit but I really want to see it.

I don't know anyone that lives there but my best friend has a lot of family in Bahrain. Some people that hear that I want to visit Saudi Arabia ask "why don't you just visit Dubai?" My personal answer is that I don't think they're the same.

I am a U.S. citizen and would like to visit Saudi Arabia later this year. I plan to go alone and see the sights and sounds, learn about the culture, experience the food and take a Saudi Arabian Airlines domestic flight.

I'm not Muslim but I do own a Qur'an and would love to see the cities of Riyadh, Jeddah, Dammam, Mecca, Medina, Jizan and Tabuk if possible.

How can I find cheap hotels? I noticed that most of Saudi Arabia caters to the ultra luxurious lifestyle but I'm not that rich yet. Also I'm not sure if this is the right forum for this so if there are any other good resources of information I could look up that would be great.

Thanks in advance for all of your help. The last country I visited and immersed myself in was Jamaica so I know this will be a huge departure from that. No marijuana, skimpy dressed girls and rum flowing all over the place in Saudi Arabia. It still should be really nice. :)

Since you're not a Muslim, I don't think you can visit the Holy Cities of Makkah (Mecca) as well as Madinah (Medina). Aside from Dammam, include its sister cities Dhahran and Khobar.

Since you're not a Muslim, I don't think you can visit the Holy Cities of Makkah (Mecca) as well as Madinah (Medina). Aside from Dammam, include its sister cities Dhahran and Khobar.

There has to be a way I could go. I could convert for a while. See what my local mosque can do to help me.

I wonder why those cities are restricted. A trip to one of those places could actually help people seriously convert and follow the Islamic way.

there restricted cuz there holy cities for worship not for tourirsts.

lol. covert for a while? am sorry once your muslim you cant change exept for death, i know thats a strict rule but its like saying once your black you can never go back.....

on the other hand saudi is a big country you have a lot of other place you can vist like hustorical sites in which some are acuttly more imprissve than the pyrmids and all the musteryies sites we know of, for example the city that was found barred bneath the sand in south east saudi that had skyscrapers reaching 300m + and it was manchend in the Quran or the madan salah near madinah which is the rouins of an old city that was curved into the mountins and a lot more that many dont know of.

FM 2258, please do not take it in an offensive way, but are you not Jewish? If you were asking for a trip to other GCC countries or arab countries i would not ask, but in the case of KSA its different, hope you understand my drift. i sincerly wish your desire to visit KSA is succesful

There has to be a way I could go. I could convert for a while. See what my local mosque can do to help me.

I wonder why those cities are restricted. A trip to one of those places could actually help people seriously convert and follow the Islamic way.

You could go everywhere except for the Holy city of Mecca, its best if you don't do anything that falls under gray areas by questionable means to visit this city. You best bet will be to call up the Consular & Travel Services in the USA (NY) before you go.

lol. covert for a while? am sorry once your muslim you cant change exept for death, i know thats a strict rule but its like saying once your black you can never go back.....

:lol: wtf??


Anyways, i'd agree deceiving people that way is wrong and you shouldn't do it. But I think leetroy was overexaggerating on the death part-Its not like anyone would hold it against you for converting out of Islam but you never converted to the religion seriously in the first place, no worries I hope you visit the country and enjoy it and see how similar people from all over the world are.

loool sorry about my comment there i went to fast...

there restricted cuz there holy cities for worship not for tourirsts.

lol. covert for a while? am sorry once your muslim you cant change exept for death, i know thats a strict rule but its like saying once your black you can never go back.....

on the other hand saudi is a big country you have a lot of other place you can vist like hustorical sites in which some are acuttly more imprissve than the pyrmids and all the musteryies sites we know of, for example the city that was found barred bneath the sand in south east saudi that had skyscrapers reaching 300m + and it was manchend in the Quran or the madan salah near madinah which is the rouins of an old city that was curved into the mountins and a lot more that many dont know of.

I found that funny because I'm actually black...:lol:...anyway it looks like the trip will still be alright without going to Mecca. It's always tempting to try though.


FM 2258, please do not take it in an offensive way, but are you not Jewish? If you were asking for a trip to other GCC countries or arab countries i would not ask, but in the case of KSA its different, hope you understand my drift. i sincerly wish your desire to visit KSA is succesful

lol....no, I'm not Jewish. Far from it, I'm actually a black American so I have a feeling I'll fit into Saudi Arabia pretty well if I dress right. I'm interested in Saudi Arabia because it seems to have stayed true to it's roots and from what I've read and seen on TV it's very unique compared to the other countries in the middle east and Arabian peninsula.

You could go everywhere except for the Holy city of Mecca, its best if you don't do anything that falls under gray areas by questionable means to visit this city. You best bet will be to call up the Consular & Travel Services in the USA (NY) before you go.

Yeah, that's probably a good idea. I have no idea what the penalty would be for being a non-Muslim in Mecca.


:lol: wtf??


Anyways, i'd agree deceiving people that way is wrong and you shouldn't do it. But I think leetroy was overexaggerating on the death part-Its not like anyone would hold it against you for converting out of Islam but you never converted to the religion seriously in the first place, no worries I hope you visit the country and enjoy it and see how similar people from all over the world are.

I think it will be very interesting to see how people are over there. Judging from the pictures I've seen on this forum taking pictures of places doesn't seem to be illegal over there.

FM you are more than welcome here :) we hope you enjoy staying at your second home,you may not find our cities attractive since you are from USA,but i recommended you to visit the villages,historical spots and wonderful nature,yah we know you Americans like to takes adventure in the desert:D

note:this thread will be merging with Q&A about KSA tomorrow.

FM you are more than welcome here :) we hope you enjoy staying at your second home,you may not find our cities attractive since you are from USA,but i recommended you to visit the villages,historical spots and wonderful nature,yah we know you Americans like to take adventures in the desert:D


Specially when those deserts are in the Middle East?:lol::lol::jk:

Sorry for the OT!:)

Specially when those deserts are in the Middle East?:lol::lol::jk:

Sorry for the OT!:)

Haha.....:cheers:

Yeah, I don't plan to do any fighting in Saudi Arabia. I don't expect to do any lovemaking either since I'm single and don't want to go to jail.

I looked up getting a visa for visiting Saudi Arabia and I can't get much information on what I need. Should I get a business visa? I will be spending money if I go so I wonder if that would work out. I'm not religious at all and probably won't really convert to Islam but we'll see.

Unlike most other countries, you can't just hop off the plane and get into Saudi. Visas are hard to come by for many unless your khaleeji (gulf citizen) who don't need any. I think you need a tourist visa which requires a sponsor in Saudi I think. Maybe other Saudi's can tell you. You are welcome to Saudia, im in canada now and i like it, but not like home (for me) :P

^^

I noticed that about the visas. Even worse a lot of the tour operator (sponsors) websites are dysfunctional or all in Arabic. It makes me wonder how the Saudi government wants anyone to start visiting and touring their country.

I noticed this from the Wiki Travel website on Saudi Arabia: http://wikitravel.org/en/Saudi_Arabia


My Kingdom will survive only insofar as it remains a country difficult to access, where the foreigner will have no other aim, with his task fullfilled, but to get out. -- King Abdul Aziz bin Saud, c. 1930

lol....no, I'm not Jewish. Far from it, I'm actually a black American so I have a feeling I'll fit into Saudi Arabia pretty well if I dress right.

Good luck! If you get the chance to visit Saudi, I hope you'll like it, but I just want to let you know that Saudi, from what I hear from a few friends who've lived there (as foreign workers) is very racist towards black people. I am not saying that this is a reason not to go; but don't expected to 'fit in'. I can't tell you how or if racism come up; but I just thought you should know. BTW, my friends are Arab (Palestinian) and Indian.

Thats not true at all >.>
Saudi's aren't racist towards blacks >.> I have really good black friends and the best soccer player that everyone loves is also black (Malik muad). Half of our national soccer team is also black... IN what world is that being racist to blacks? We're far from it.

Arik, it's pretty obvious you don't like Saudi Arabia and that's fine, but stop it with these annoying posts.

yeah we (government and people) are racist to the point that the government appoints new black Saudi as offical Imam of the Holy Mosque of Makkah- the most honorable job- and the people were happy, do you see how racist we are?

http://www.ii1i.com/uploads4/accdddd334.jpg
Adel Alkalbani

see him leading the prayer here:
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its really ridiculous when someone starts to talk bulls about something that he has no idea about.

Thats not true at all >.>
Saudi's aren't racist towards blacks >.> I have really good black friends and the best soccer player that everyone loves is also black (Malik muad). Half of our national soccer team is also black... IN what world is that being racist to blacks? We're far from it.

Arik, it's pretty obvious you don't like Saudi Arabia and that's fine, but stop it with these annoying posts.

1) I am not against Saudi Arabia (but neither am I for it).

2) This is what I heard from my friends. My Indian friend was speaking from his/her own experience. And my Palestinian friend told me that he/she hates visiting Saudi Arabia (with the Hajj being an exception) because of his/her experiences there. I am not making this up.

3) As I've stated, I want to visit Saudi Arabia some day. I really have a great curiosity to visit the Empty Quarter and Macca and Medina and Jedda and Ryadh.

yeah we (government and people) are racist to the point that the government appoints new black Saudi as offical Imam of the Holy Mosque of Makkah- the most honorable job- and the people were happy, do you see how racist we are?

http://www.ii1i.com/uploads4/accdddd334.jpg
Adel Alkalbani

see him leading the prayer here:
pADQtcT-kCE&feature=related

its really ridiculous when someone starts to talk bulls about something that he has no idea about.

As I mentioned, this is what I heard from my friends. Perhaps you're right; perhaps they are right. Perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Thats not true at all >.>
Saudi's aren't racist towards blacks >.> I have really good black friends and the best soccer player that everyone loves is also black (Malik muad). Half of our national soccer team is also black... IN what world is that being racist to blacks? We're far from it.

Arik, it's pretty obvious you don't like Saudi Arabia and that's fine, but stop it with these annoying posts.

Kotton, do you live in Saudi Arabia? Maybe you could sponsor me.

The "Kotton Tour Group" with tours from Jeddah, Mecca, Medina, Jizan, Riyadh and Dammam in cooperation with Saudi Arabian Airlines. :D

I don't think race will be an issue...well, I don't think I've been a victim of racism as far as I know.

Kotton, do you live in Saudi Arabia? Maybe you could sponsor me.

The "Kotton Tour Group" with tours from Jeddah, Mecca, Medina, Jizan, Riyadh and Dammam in cooperation with Saudi Arabian Airlines. :D

I don't think race will be an issue...well, I don't think I've been a victim of racism as far as I know.

You can visit anywhere in Saudi from the Northern border to Jizan, go across the country in every direction except for Makkah and Madinah lol. Unless your Muslim. I don't know where this guy got this idea of saudis being racist. as Sdare showed, one of the Imams in Makkah is Adel Kelbani who is black.

2) This is what I heard from my friends. My Indian friend was speaking from his/her own experience. And my Palestinian friend told me that he/she hates visiting Saudi Arabia (with the Hajj being an exception) because of his/her experiences there. I am not making this up.

odd, never seen black Palestinian or Indian

^^^ maybe "he/she" is an Afro-Palestinian or an Afro-Indian who knows ?!!

I am a U.S. citizen and would like to visit Saudi Arabia later this year. I plan to go alone and see the sights and sounds, learn about the culture, experience the food and take a Saudi Arabian Airlines domestic flight.

I'm not Muslim but I do own a Qur'an and would love to see the cities of Riyadh, Jeddah, Dammam, Mecca, Medina, Jizan and Tabuk if possible.

How can I find cheap hotels? I noticed that most of Saudi Arabia caters to the ultra luxurious lifestyle but I'm not that rich yet. Also I'm not sure if this is the right forum for this so if there are any other good resources of information I could look up that would be great.

Thanks in advance for all of your help. The last country I visited and immersed myself in was Jamaica so I know this will be a huge departure from that. No marijuana, skimpy dressed girls and rum flowing all over the place in Saudi Arabia. It still should be really nice. :)

Dear FM 2258
u r most welcom in saudi arabia ,
if you wanna me to send u invitation for visa issue u most welcome just send me u r passport copy ,i will send the invitation within 72 hours ,
with my pleasure to be u e accompanying during u r trip to saudi arabia if u like
believe me it's great country u will like it it's heart of Arabs & heart of desert heart of oil heart of Arabs economy heart of original islam

@Arik: Who are you kidding? You hate everything saudi arabia. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. All your posts about Saudi Arabia are negative and mostly false. You can deny it all you want, but that fact remains. And for the record, we're right and you're friends are wrong >.> I fell on my ass laughing when you posted probably the most narrow minded crap I've ever heard. I guess I should thank you for that.... but I'm not going to =)

@FM: Dunno if I'm illegible to sponsor you, but if I am, I don't mind =)

odd, never seen black Palestinian or Indian

I never said you have to be black to experience racism....Indians and Arabs (and others) can experience racism too. Racism isn't limited to one group.

@Arik: Who are you kidding? You hate everything saudi arabia. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. All your posts about Saudi Arabia are negative and mostly false. You can deny it all you want, but that fact remains. And for the record, we're right and you're friends are wrong >.> I fell on my ass laughing when you posted probably the most narrow minded crap I've ever heard. I guess I should thank you for that.... but I'm not going to =)
)

Umm....Lol. I don't really care either way about Saudi Arabia; I am ambivalent. I just happen to be curious about the country, because it seems so mysterious and distant to me (in an allegorical sense).

Is it OK for me not to hate Saudi Arabia? Or is this a problem for you?

You don't need my permission to do anything. You can burn the Saudi flag for all I care.

FYI, you may be good at bullshitting, but like I said, it's pretty obvious...

2) This is what I heard from my friends. My Indian friend was speaking from his/her own experience. And my Palestinian friend told me that he/she hates visiting Saudi Arabia (with the Hajj being an exception) because of his/her experiences there. I am not making this up.

haha
what a claim! you even don't know the sex of your Indian and Palestinian friend!!! are you socializing with hyaenas?

IGNORE ARIK guys

Or maybe he associates himself with hermaphrodites?

All in all, yea, ignoring him is probably the smart thing to do.

You don't need my permission to do anything. You can burn the Saudi flag for all I care.
Oh, so in that case your problem has to do with the fact that I don't hate Saudi Arabia and that you are in denial about something? I don't know you nor do I know much about your country (other than what I watch on the Saudi TV channels that we get in Israel and from http://www.memritv.org/content/en/country.htm?country=saudi), so I can't offer any sweeping statements.


...

haha
what a claim! you even don't know the sex of your Indian and Palestinian friend!!! are you socializing with hyaenas?

IGNORE ARIK guys

Of course I know the sex of my Indian and Palestinian friends, but my Indian friend still has family in Saudi and my Palestinian friend visits every now and then, so I don't want to take any chances that I could cause them problems/trouble in anyway. I suppose I am a little paranoid in this way; but then again, I don't know who is reading what we type and what they are capable of.

Yea, because knowing the sex of your friends is totally classified info, gotcha. Makes perfect sense.

can u visit Saudi Arabia and Mecca if u're not muslim? just as a tourist?

Nope. You can look at pictures if you want... That's the nearest you'll get to Mecca and Madinah. As for the rest of Saudi, your more than welcome to come :)

Yea, because knowing the sex of your friends is totally classified info, gotcha. Makes perfect sense.

It's not classified info; I just don't want to take any chances on screwing my friend or his/her family.

mannn just shut the hell up ur causing problems every were u go if u have something stupid to say than just keep it ur self!

^^^^^^^ lol this guy can't stop making me laughing..chances to screw who??? the person in your sick mind??
do you think anyone in Saudi has the time any way to go and look for your "imaginary friend"??
and where in country occupies more than 2.25 million m2??
even if you have that "friend" who told you such "stuff" would judge 25 million for what you "heard" from your "friend"??
on that base, I can tell you all the "Israelis" are a kids murderers with out any humanity or ethics.
oooh witch ethics are we talking about here?? maybe taking over someone's else country and killing them.and then prevents them to have their own country on third of their original country represent the guanine ethics the "Israelis" have :)

i know i know i'm the one said lets ignore him but:
It's not classified info; I just don't want to take any chances on screwing my friend or his/her family.
:rofl:

^^^^^^^ lol this guy can't stop making me laughing..chances to screw who??? the person in your sick mind??
do you think anyone in Saudi has the time any way to go and look for your "imaginary friend"??
How would I know?
and where in country occupies more than 2.25 million m2??
even if you have that "friend" who told you such "stuff" would judge 25 million for what you "heard" from your "friend"??
He/she wasn't the only person who told me this, my Palestinian friend re-iterated what he/she said. And I wasn't passing judgement on 25 million people, I am just relaying the feelings of my friend, who is dark-skinned and lived in Saudi for many years as the son/daughter of foreign workers from South Asia and similar sentiments that were conveyed to me by my Palestinian friend. Like I said, I am not making any statements and didn't make any statements about Saudi being racist country; only that I heard from friends who lived there that THEY thought there was a lot of racism there against dark-skinned people (including Indians), especially dark-skinned foreigners, and non-Muslims/non-Arabs.
on that base, I can tell you all the "Israelis" are a kids murderers with out any humanity or ethics.
No you can't. It's like comparing apples and oranges. For starters, I was talking about a mentality, you're talking about actions. A mentality can be shaped by culture/society, while the same isn't necessarily true for all or even most actions. Second, you've never met any Israelis and probably know zilch about Israel other than what you see on the local media. Third, I have met people who have lived in Saudi and experienced the less positive things about the country (in their opinions). Fourth, I watch Saudi TV in Israel from time to time and get it on the internet, so it's not like I am completely in the dark about what is going on inside. You know and I know that, at the very least, much of the media inside Saudi Arabia (which is all censored by the government on some level) is hostile towards Jewish people (as opposed to Israeli people). If this is the case, then why shouldn't I believe or at least seriously consider what my friends have to say?
oooh witch ethics are we talking about here?? maybe taking over someone's else country and killing them.and then prevents them to have their own country on third of their original country represent the guanine ethics the "Israelis" have :)
Most of us in Israel want a peaceful two-state solution and for a peaceful, stable and sovereign Palestinian state, side-by-side with Israel. But I am not sure if other countries in the Middle East are serious about advancing the Palestinian cause and peace between Israel and the Palestinians.

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Dear FM 2258
u r most welcom in saudi arabia ,
if you wanna me to send u invitation for visa issue u most welcome just send me u r passport copy ,i will send the invitation within 72 hours ,
with my pleasure to be u e accompanying during u r trip to saudi arabia if u like
believe me it's great country u will like it it's heart of Arabs & heart of desert heart of oil heart of Arabs economy heart of original islam

Really? It's that easy? I'll PM you later for more details later. Thanks.



@Arik: Who are you kidding? You hate everything saudi arabia. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. All your posts about Saudi Arabia are negative and mostly false. You can deny it all you want, but that fact remains. And for the record, we're right and you're friends are wrong >.> I fell on my ass laughing when you posted probably the most narrow minded crap I've ever heard. I guess I should thank you for that.... but I'm not going to =)

@FM: Dunno if I'm illegible to sponsor you, but if I am, I don't mind =)

Thanks Kotton. I'll also PM you when I can get things more finalized here at home. I also need to save money too. :)

Most of us in Israel want a peaceful two-state solution and for a peaceful, stable and sovereign Palestinian state, side-by-side with Israel.

yeah, sure .. you're a peaceful loving people but over 80 per cent (http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/war_on_gaza/2009/01/20091109519821785.html) of you were in favour of the latest Massacre in Gaza . that tells me something about Israel and most of its people ... Israel doesn't want peace , if they really want peace they would've accept the Arab peace initiative which was proposed by King Abdullah in 2002 .

yeah, sure .. you're a peaceful loving people but over 80 per cent (http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/war_on_gaza/2009/01/20091109519821785.html) of you were in favour of the latest Massacre in Gaza . that tells me something about Israel and most of its people ... Israel doesn't want peace , if they really want peace they would've accept the Arab peace initiative which was proposed by King Abdullah in 2002 .

1) I am not sure why some of you guys keep on trying to change the topic by talking about Israel. Perhaps to avoid answering me directly?

2) I am not going to talk about the Gaza issue; since I think that this is clearly an attempt to get me into trouble.

3) Regarding King Abdullah's initiative: you can't just shove a peace deal down someone's throat and expect them to accept ALL of your terms without any reservations. If Abdallah and the Arab League were serious, then I think that they would either invite an Israeli envoy to Riyadh or to an AL meeting for serious discussion/negotiations. People in Israel want peace with all the Arab countries; but we aren't going to be played like fools and do so, on terms that might endanger Israel's security/existance.

HAHAHAHAH!
That's the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard.
My advice to you is to shut up before you make an even bigger idiot out of yourself.

haha.....I thought this thread was about Saudi Arabia, not Israel. I would like to visit Israel but Saudi Arabia has to come first. :D

I noticed that Abha looks gorgeous so I have to add that to my list. I wonder if Jeddah, Riyadh, Abha and Dammam can be seen in one week.

As for hotels it looks like this website is great for finding hotels.

http://www.octopustravel.com/em/Home.jsp;jsessionid=0000hZ-T6V-mo_M5I_wYVOWFaGQ:11kvs72hi

It was found using the hotel search feature from www.saudiairlines.com.

I guess you could see them all in one week. It's going to be a busy week though ^_^

Oh and you should checkout jubail, khobar and dahran. They're really close to dammam and are very clean and organized cities =) They aren't that big though. You could probably go through all 3 cities in a day or 2 :P

^^

It will be very busy. :) Thankfully from what I'm seeing that the moment one way flights on Saudi Arabian airlines are relatively cheap. I would like to take the Saudi Railways to Dammam but I need to find where I can book and pick up tickets http://www.saudirailways.org/index_en.htm.

My friends booked their train tickets by phone. The train is also pretty cheap. A first class ticket costs 75sr (roughly $20).

if im in saudi and see a hot girl in a shopping mall can i get her number? i mean people always say unrelated male and female cant mix but how on earth is it even possible to tell that>? i dont think its possible unless someone who recognises sees u and tells police even then u can say ur class mates

Yes, you can get her number (if she decides to give it to you).

And I'm sorry, I really don't understand the rest of your post.

i heard on tv (inside middleast cnn) that unrelated male and female not allowed to meet in saudi :nono:

Not everything on TV is true (especially CNN >.>), but it is frowned upon here. Doesn't stop the guys and girls from mingling though.

^^

It looks like I'll be in for a big surprise when I get around to visiting. Do you know where I can buy an official Saudi Arabian flag while in Jeddah? I would like a large one and a small one.

^^ done :lol:

You can buy KSA flags at book/school supply stores =)

There's usually one of these stores in every district in jeddah. Extremely easy to find.

You can buy KSA flags at book/school supply stores =)

There's usually one of these stores in every district in jeddah. Extremely easy to find.

Does anyone know if I can order a thobe online? I have also a mailing address outside of Israel, so location is not an issue. I was thinking of going in costume as a Saudi sheikh for Israeli new year's party this year. :banana:

^^ Lol, the lebanese kyke is back!

^^ lol

@arik: If you live in Lebanon or Israel/palestine, I'm imagining it wouldn't be hard to get. Saudi thobes are usually custom made for each person. You have to go to a tailor, he measures you, then you pick it up a few days later.
I don't think you'll be able to get one online, but I might be wrong =)

^^ lol

@arik: If you live in Lebanon or Israel/palestine, I'm imagining it wouldn't be hard to get. Saudi thobes are usually custom made for each person. You have to go to a tailor, he measures you, then you pick it up a few days later.
I don't think you'll be able to get one online, but I might be wrong =)

None of the Arabs in my area wear thobes, I pretty much have to go East Jerusalem or to Ramallah to find them.

Plus, I want to wave a Saudi flag at the Israeli independence day party just to see peoples' reactions. :D

^^ That's just dumb...

We know Israeli's don't like us... we're not crazy about you either, but we don't act like cunts and post such stupid comments on a respectable forum.

I guess that's +1 for us? =)

^^ That's just dumb...

We know Israeli's don't like us... we're not crazy about you either, but we don't act like cunts and post such stupid comments on a respectable forum.

I guess that's +1 for us? =)

Lol...True, Israelis don't like Saudi; but a lot of us don't hate it either. Plus, Israelis like to both make fun of everyone (mostly ourselves) and also we like shock value, so I think this works on both accounts. Did you ever see this car commercial (I think they showed it in Saudi Arabia): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rM4tQ2ibEk

(it's an ad for a fuel efficient car)

^^ That's just dumb...

We know Israeli's don't like us... we're not crazy about you either, but we don't act like cunts and post such stupid comments on a respectable forum.

I guess that's +1 for us? =)

BTW, I'd like to meet Saudi people; I've seen a few TV shows about Saudi Arabia and I hear that Saudi people are very friendly and warm people, similar to the Beduins who live in southern Israel.

Islam is a relationship between oneself and God. I don't see how anybody can restrict somebody from entering Makkah, as long as they claim to be Muslim.

Islam is a religion comprised of people of all races and backgrounds. So you can't just ban people.

BTW, I'd like to meet Saudi people; I've seen a few TV shows about Saudi Arabia and I hear that Saudi people are very friendly and warm people, similar to the Beduins who live in southern Israel.

Yeh, especially when they know ur israeli ;)

Yeh, especially when they know ur israeli ;)

Who says they have to know. ;) For all they know, I am Lebanese or Canadian. :cheers:

@DingoBingo: LOL ^_^

@arik: That youtube clip was pretty funny. I could show you even funnier ones of the israeli army beating up old ladies and shooting at little kids on their way home from school. I'm telling you, it's hilarious...

Does anyone know if I can order a thobe online? I have also a mailing address outside of Israel, so location is not an issue. I was thinking of going in costume as a Saudi sheikh for Israeli new year's party this year. :banana:

you can order your thob online here it has international delivery Lomar (http://www.lomarthobe.com/shopping/index.php)
please people stick on the topic!

you can order your thob online here it has international delivery Lomar (http://www.lomarthobe.com/shopping/index.php)
please people stick on the topic!

Thanks a lot!

you can order your thob online here it has international delivery Lomar (http://www.lomarthobe.com/shopping/index.php)
please people stick on the topic!

Thanks a lot. Nothing better than actually fitting in when you visit a different country. :cheers:

Are Medina and Mecca fenced in? Or how is controlled that no Non-Muslims enter these towns? Are there checkpoints?

Yes, there are check points on the main roads leading to mecca and medina. They're not fenced in though.

Yes, there are check points on the main roads leading to mecca and medina. They're not fenced in though.

I get the feeling that if I drove through the checkpoint wearing this:

http://i44.tinypic.com/291hue0.jpg

...they would probably just wave me by. I could be wrong about that though.

lol, thats what we call an arabian pajama :P
We cal it "thob alnoom" The literal translation would be "sleeping thobe".

You could pass by wearing your undies and they still wouldn't stop you lol. I passed by the check points like 4 times before and I've almost never seen a cop stopping people. They wave everybody by, and that's if the cop is even standing at the check point. Most of the time they're nowhere to be found.

^^

I guess I would have looked really funny wearing that around talking to people. What is the typical outfit to get from the website http://www.lomarthobe.com/shopping/index.php?

^^^ I've the feeling this one is going to be perfect for you:
the Breeze
http://www.lomarthobe.com/shopping/index.php?target=products&product_id=29834
by the way, did you decide when do you want to visit Saudi or not yet??

sorry but i would call those anything but thobes! thobe with a zipper! or thobe with patches! c'mon!!! i wouldn't even call them modern thobes

I only see these types of thobes in jeddah. I once saw a thobe with racing stripes :P

But yea, those are far from your traditional thobe.

lol, thats what we call an arabian pajama :P
We cal it "thob alnoom" The literal translation would be "sleeping thobe".

You could pass by wearing your undies and they still wouldn't stop you lol. I passed by the check points like 4 times before and I've almost never seen a cop stopping people. They wave everybody by, and that's if the cop is even standing at the check point. Most of the time they're nowhere to be found.

So it's not impossible for a non-Muslim to visit Mecca and Medina? Also, is it possible to legally visit Mecca or Medina as a non-Muslim, if you are doing so with the intent of converting to Islam? For instance, could I travel to Mecca in order to convert to Islam there? And also, what would I need to do in order to convert to Islam?

I'm still researching....information on visiting this country is still damn hard to find. Unbelievable.

So it's not impossible for a non-Muslim to visit Mecca and Medina? Also, is it possible to legally visit Mecca or Medina as a non-Muslim, if you are doing so with the intent of converting to Islam? For instance, could I travel to Mecca in order to convert to Islam there? And also, what would I need to do in order to convert to Islam?

I doubt whether the restriction on non Muslims not permitted to foot in the soil of Makkah and Madina mentioned anywhere in the Qur'an-hadeeth. I think it is a saudi law.

I doubt whether the restriction on non Muslims not permitted to foot in the soil of Makkah and Madina mentioned anywhere in the Qur'an-hadeeth. I think it is a saudi law.

and you signed up only to say that ? :nuts:

I doubt whether the restriction on non Muslims not permitted to foot in the soil of Makkah and Madina mentioned anywhere in the Qur'an-hadeeth. I think it is a saudi law.



actually it's an ottoman law ,,,

actually it's an ottoman law ,,,

It is actually since prophet's time..

Visit abha

I'm curious about the opinions of Saudis regarding social norms..

Are people on this outward looking forum a bit more liberal and have liberal aspirations?

How is life like in saudi arabia?

and you signed up only to say that ? :nuts:

I did not my brother. Whether you believe or not-it is up to you. Re-read my post attentively.

I doubt whether the restriction on non Muslims not permitted to foot in the soil of Makkah and Madina mentioned anywhere in the Qur'an-hadeeth. I think it is a saudi law.

It is my doubt. As a Muslim I have to find out what is the truth. If you know the answer and think you can help me, please share your thoughts on it unhesitatingly.

I was actually searching for something and this thread caught my attention.

I implore you cast away all your negative doubts about me. There is nothing personal I gain if Saudis permit non Muslims stepping in the soil of Makkah and Madina and there is nothing I lose if they do not.

It is actually since prophet's time..

Since you claimed it, would you like to prove?

actually if you come to Mecca you will pass a check point if you say i am Muslim you will allow for one time if you put ihram you will passing directly , may will pass check point without checking, i know that illegally but that not a big problem if you stay a some time . also there is no way to booking a hotel

Since you claimed it, would you like to prove?

The Prophet banned non-Muslims of visiting Makkah after he conquered the city. His decision was based on this Koranic verse:

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِنَّمَا الْمُشْرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ فَلا يَقْرَبُوا الْمَسْجِدَ الْحَرَامَ بَعْدَ عَامِهِمْ هَذَا وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ عَيْلَةً فَسَوْفَ يُغْنِيكُمُ اللَّهُ مِنْ فَضْلِهِ إِنْ شَاءَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ

[التوبة:28]

The Prophet banned non-Muslims of visiting Makkah after he conquered the city. His decision was based on this Koranic verse:

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِنَّمَا الْمُشْرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ فَلا يَقْرَبُوا الْمَسْجِدَ الْحَرَامَ بَعْدَ عَامِهِمْ هَذَا وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ عَيْلَةً فَسَوْفَ يُغْنِيكُمُ اللَّهُ مِنْ فَضْلِهِ إِنْ شَاءَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ

[التوبة:28]

Nice try. That Ayah prohibits pagans from entering the holy mosque (to perform their rituals)

Nice try. That Ayah prohibits pagans from entering the holy mosque (to perform their rituals)

هلا تمهلت وبحثت المسألة قبل أن تفسر الآية على هواك ؟


فإن منع دخول الكفار إلى الحرم خاص بمكة، أما المدينة فإنها وإن كانت حرما فإنه يجوز دخول الكفار إليها؛ لكن لا يمكنون من الإقامة بها لأنها من ضمن جزيرة العرب التي أمر النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم بإخراج المشركين منها بقوله صلى الله عليه وسلم: أخرجوا المشركين من جزيرة العرب. رواه البخاري ومسلم وغيرهما، قال القرطبي في تفسير قوله تعالى: يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آَمَنُوا إِنَّمَا المُشْرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ فَلَا يَقْرَبُوا المَسْجِدَ الحَرَامَ بَعْدَ عَامِهِمْ هَذَا وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ عَيْلَةً فَسَوْفَ يُغْنِيكُمُ اللهُ مِنْ فَضْلِهِ إِنْ شَاءَ إِنَّ اللهَ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ {التوبة:28} فلا يقربوا: نهي، ولذلك حذفت منه النون. المسجد الحرام هذا اللفظ يطلق على جميع الحرم، وهو مذهب عطاء، فإذاً يحرم تمكين المشرك من دخول الحرم أجمع. فإذا جاءنا رسول منهم خرج الإمام إلى الحل ليسمع ما يقول. ولو دخل مشرك الحرم مستوراً ومات نبش قبره وأخرجت عظامه. فليس لهم الاستيطان ولا الاجتياز. وأما جزيرة العرب، وهي مكة والمدينة واليمامة واليمن ومخاليفها، فقال مالك: يخرج من هذه المواضع كل من كان على غير الإسلام، ولا يمنعون من التردد بها مسافرين. وكذلك قال الشافعي رحمه الله، غير أنه استثنى من ذلك اليمن. ويضرب لهم أجل ثلاثة أيام كما ضربه لهم عمر رضي الله عنه حين أجلاهم. ولا يدفنون فيها ويلجؤون إلى الحل. انتهى.

وفي الموسوعة الفقهية ما نصه: اتفق الفقهاء على أنه لا يجوز لغير المسلم السكنى والإقامة في الحرم؛ لقوله تعالى: يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آَمَنُوا إِنَّمَا المُشْرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ فَلَا يَقْرَبُوا المَسْجِدَ الحَرَامَ بَعْدَ عَامِهِمْ هَذَا، والمراد بالمسجد الحرام الحرم بدليل قوله سبحانه وتعالى بعده: وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ عَيْلَةً فَسَوْفَ يُغْنِيكُمُ اللهُ مِنْ فَضْلِهِ، أي إن خفتم فقرا وضررا بمنعهم من الحرم وانقطاع ما كان يحصل لكم بما يجلبونه إليكم من المكاسب فسوف يغنيكم الله من فضله، ومعلوم أن الجلب إنما يجلب إلى البلد والحرم، لا إلى المسجد نفسه. والمعنى في ذلك أنهم أخرجوا النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم منه، فعوقبوا بالمنع من دخوله بكل حال. ... واختلفوا في اجتياز الكافر الحرم بصفة مؤقتة، فذهب الشافعية والحنابلة وهو قول عند المالكية: إلى منع دخول الكفار إلى الحرم مطلقا، لعموم الآية. فإن أراد كافر الدخول إلى الحرم منع منه. فإن كانت معه ميرة أو تجارة خرج إليه من يشتري منه ولم يترك هو يدخل. وإن كان رسولا إلى إمام بالحرم خرج إليه من يسمع رسالته ويبلغها إياه. فإن قال: لا بد لي من لقاء الإمام وكانت المصلحة في ذلك خرج إليه الإمام، ولم يأذن له بالدخول. وإذا أراد مشرك دخول الحرم ليسلم فيه منع منه حتى يسلم قبله. قال الشافعية والحنابلة: وإذا دخل المشرك الحرم بغير إذن عزر ولم يستبح به قتله، وإن دخله بإذن لم يعزر وينكر على من أذن له. انتهى.

http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/fatwa/ShowFatwa.php?lang=A&Id=110014&Option=FatwaId

وهذه فتوى مفتي الديار السعودية ، محمد ابن إبراهيم رحمه الله :
( 1510 - منع الكفار من دخول حرم مكة )

رقم فتوى الهيئة ( 1158 ) : منع الكفار من دخول حرم مكة ، والإقامة فيه ، وفي بقية أراضي الحجاز ) من محمد بن إبراهيم إلى معالي الأمين العام لرابطة العالم الإسلامي سلمه الله

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته ، وبعد :

فبالإشارة إلى خطابكم رقم 31 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1503 وتاريخ 29 7 86هـ المرفق به صورة من كتاب أحمد إبراهيم النباط ، الموجه إلى مجلة الرابطة ، والذي يستفتي به عن حكم دخول البانيان عبدة البقر والأوثان والمجوس عبدة الشمس والنيران إلى أراضي المملكة والإقامة بها .

لقد اطلعنا على ما ذكره ، وتحرر الجواب بما يلي :

الذي نص عليه العلماء أن الكفار يمنعون من دخول حرم مكة المكرمة ، ومن الإقامة فيه . وهو ما أدخلته الأميال ، لقوله تعالى : سورة التوبة الآية 28 إِنَّمَا الْمُشْرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ فَلَا يَقْرَبُوا الْمَسْجِدَ الْحَرَامَ بَعْدَ عَامِهِمْ هَذَا ولأنه محل المناسك والمشاعر المفضلة فوجب أن يمنع منه من لا يؤمن بها ، ومن دخله منهم عزر وأخرج ولو مريضًا أو ميتًا ، وينبش إن دفن به .

أما بقية أراضي الحجاز فيمنعون من الإقامة فيها دون دخولها ، فيسمح لهم بالدخول إذا كان دخولهم لحاجة ومصلحة راجحة ، ولكنهم لا يمكنون من الإقامة فيها . وإن دخلوها فليس لهم دخول المساجد سواء في المدينة أو غيرها ، ما لم يكن هناك مصلحة راجحة ، فإن كان هناك مصلحة راجحة جاز لهم ذلك ، كما في قصة نصارى نجران ونزولهم في مسجده صلى الله عليه وسلم وحانت صلاتهم فصلوا في المسجد النبوي ، وذلك عام الوفود .

والأصل في ذلك ما روى أبو عبيدة بن الجراح رضي الله عنه أن آخر ما تكلم به النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم : أخرجوا اليهود من أرض الحجاز رواه أحمد ، وقال عمر : سمعت النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول : لأخرجن اليهود والنصارى من جزيرة العرب فلا أترك فيها إلا مسلمًا رواه الترمذي ، وقال : حسن صحيح .

فإن دخلوا الحجاز لتجارة أو غيرها لم يقيموا في موضع واحد أكثر من ثلاثة أيام ، لأن عمر أذن لمن دخل تاجرًا في إقامة ثلاثة أيام ، والله أعلم .

مفتي الديار السعودية
( ص - ق 3655 - 1 في 2 12 1386هـ )

http://www.pv.gov.sa/SiteTree/Pages/books.aspx?View=Page&PageID=1165&PageNo=1&BookID=2&HashHit=%D9%85%D9%86%D8%B9%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%83%D9%81%D8%A7%D8%B1%20%D9%85%D9%86%20%D8%AF%D8%AE%D9%88%D9%84%20%D8%AD%D8%B1%D9%85%20%D9%85%D9%83%D8%A9


السؤال س: هل يجوز للكافر دخول المدينة ؟
الاجابـــة

الظاهر أنه لا يجوز لحرمة المدينة قياسًا على حُرمة مكة وقد نهى الله المُؤمنين عن إدخال الكافرين، والمُشركين إلى مكة وحيث ثبت أن النبي - صلى الله عليه وسلم - حرَّم المدينة كما حرم إبراهيم مكة فإنها تُعطى هذا الحكم، وما ذُكر من أن المُشركين كانوا يتوافدون إلى المدينة في العهد النبوي، فإنما ذلك لأجل الإسلام أو تجديد العهد والذمة، ولعل ذلك نُسخ لقوله - صلى الله عليه وسلم - : أخرجوا المُشركين من جزيرة العرب والله أعلم .


عبد الله بن عبد الرحمن الجبرين
http://ibn-jebreen.com/ftawa.php?view=vmasal&subid=606&parent=1062


إذا احد عنه إضافة يتفضل .

إذا احد عنه إضافة يتفضل

What you have brought here are statements issued by scholars. Not by the prophet, neither by the Koran.
The statements mentioned are simply interpretations of holy scriptures made by people who had no interaction with other religions;
Thus they can NOT differentiate who is a polytheist (Mushrik) and who is just a non-Muslim (Kafir).
Both of the holy texts made by the Koran and the prophet talked exclusively about Pagans, or in a broader term, Polytheists.
Neither of the texts spoke about other non-Muslim monotheistic religions such as Judaism or Mandaeism, who also happen to be Abrahamic religions.
Even if we were to accept your argument as valid. the statements imposed by the clergy are simply exclusive to the Haram (Holy Sanctuary) boundaries not to the whole cities of Mecca or Medina.

The Prophet banned non-Muslims of visiting Makkah after he conquered the city. His decision was based on this Koranic verse:

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِنَّمَا الْمُشْرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ فَلا يَقْرَبُوا الْمَسْجِدَ الْحَرَامَ بَعْدَ عَامِهِمْ هَذَا وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ عَيْلَةً فَسَوْفَ يُغْنِيكُمُ اللَّهُ مِنْ فَضْلِهِ إِنْ شَاءَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ

[التوبة:28]

Wasn't the restriction a part of the Prophet's farewell Speach just before his death and introduced after that?

What you have brought here are statements issued by scholars. Not by the prophet, neither by the Koran.
The statements mentioned are simply interpretations of holy scriptures made by people who had no interaction with other religions;
Thus they can NOT differentiate who is a polytheist (Mushrik) and who is just a non-Muslim (Kafir).
Both of the holy texts made by the Koran and the prophet talked exclusively about Pagans, or in a broader term, Polytheists.
Neither of the texts spoke about other non-Muslim monotheistic religions such as Judaism or Mandaeism, who also happen to be Abrahamic religions.

أول شي برد على الخط العريض وما تبعها .. ممكن تقول اللي الفرق بين المشرك و الكافر ؟
إذا كنت تقصد بالمشركين أهل الأوثان و الأصنام ( قريش قبل الإسلام مثلا ً ) فهذا صحيح لكنه لا يخرج النصارى من هـ الدائرة . النصارى وقعوا في الشرك ( عقيدة التثليلث). فالمشركين كفار و أهل الكتاب مشركين وكفار أيضا ً - أم هل لديك شك أخي الكريم ؟ -
لكن أهل الكتاب لهم معاملة خاصة في بعض الأمور - ليس هذا منها - ، هذا الفرق الوحيد .
أما كونك تنتقص من آراء علماء شابت لحاهم في طلب العلم و دراسة الدين و إتهامهم بعدم التفريق بين المشرك والكافر فهذا أرى فيه جهل و تعدي كبير .
يا أخي ليس كل من هب ودب يفسر القرآن و يفتي الناس ، شخص مثلي مثلا ً ( ومثلك ربما ) علمه الشرعي محدود إذا أشكل عليه شيئ يسأل أهل العلم و يتحرى الفتوى و الرأي السديد .


Even if we were to accept your argument as valid. the statements imposed ( ? ) by the clergy are simply exclusive to the Haram (Holy Sanctuary) boundaries not to the whole cities of Mecca or Medina.
ما اراح أعلق على سالفة إمبوزد هذي :nuts:لكن
أكيد طبعا ً حدود الحرم معروفة و معلومة عند أهل العلم و أهل مكة يعرفونها و هي لا تقتصر على المسجد فحسب ومدينة مكة المعاصرة تتعدى حدودها الحرم كما هو معروف و معلوم .

Wasn't the restriction a part of the Prophet's farewell Speach just before his death and introduced after that?

I do not know, but that does not make any difference.

any religion comments after my post will be deleted please guys stick on the topic.

any religion comments after my post will be deleted please guys stick on the topic.

Oh no! I was actually so busy with some personal issues. So, could not reply on time. Anyway, I will not discuss anything here further.

The Prophet banned non-Muslims of visiting Makkah after he conquered the city. His decision was based on this Koranic verse:

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِنَّمَا الْمُشْرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ فَلا يَقْرَبُوا الْمَسْجِدَ الْحَرَامَ بَعْدَ عَامِهِمْ هَذَا وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ عَيْلَةً فَسَوْفَ يُغْنِيكُمُ اللَّهُ مِنْ فَضْلِهِ إِنْ شَاءَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ

[التوبة:28]

My brother the verse you quoted is from surah Tawba. I just want to implore that read the whole surah and every verse in context to understand the real meaning of that verse.


I posted similar query in a forum. If anyone of you want to jump in, do not hesitate.

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598868.msg216070#msg216070

My brother the verse you quoted is from surah Tawba. I just want to implore that read the whole surah and every verse in context to understand the real meaning of that verse.


I posted similar query in a forum. If anyone of you want to jump in, do not hesitate.

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598868.msg216070#msg216070

Is it possible to come in Saudi-Arabia as a non-muslim citizen or it is forbidden?

Is it possible to merry Saudi girl with an Christian,or she must come abroad?What is about Christian minority in Saudi,I saw on TV it is nearly forbidden??And crossing points on the streets can not look like a cross??

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1 : NO .
2 : we don't have a SAUDI Christian minority in the Kingdom .
3 : you gotta be kiddin' me :weird:

Is it possible to come in Saudi-Arabia as a non-muslim citizen or it is forbidden?


It is possible to visit and work in Saudi Arabia as a non-Mulsim.

Visa's are not very easy to get.

Non-Muslims cannot enter certain religeous areas.

And crossing points on the streets can not look like a cross??

WTF?

You could have simply google mapped Jeddah OR Riyadh and seen how many Intersections there are all over???

Infact google map Makkah and check for intersections.


And NO Intersections are not Triangular or Circular THEY ARE A CROSS! :nuts:

It is possible to visit and work in Saudi Arabia as a non-Mulsim.

Visa's are not very easy to get.

Non-Muslims cannot enter certain religeous areas.

Thanks,I have some friends in Saudi Arabia,they will invite me,I hope I can get a visa easy,I can talk with consul,I have enough money so I think there is not a reason in any doubt..I want to visit all interesting places,of course I*m not a muslim,and I can not going to Mecca and Medina,I know it very well.

Not everything on TV is true (especially CNN >.>), but it is frowned upon here. Doesn't stop the guys and girls from mingling though.

I have an "internet"girl friend from Saudi,she is beauty,and we have fine friendship,so I plain to meet with her but maybe out Saudi for example in Egypt,because of strictly rules between males and females there...If I decide to merry her,I don*t know is it possible because I am not a Muslim?Anyway I do not want convert in islam for any reason because I belong to Christian religion.