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Fabian
October 26th, 2002, 10:31 PM
I was able to take this photo of North Apartments under construction yesterday. It is about three levels above ground. For those in Sydney who want to monitor it's progress, it is in Goulburn Street between Pitt St and Castleragh Street.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid36/pceef4eb0023ef2bb8b94e1391851d561/fd1f7072.jpg

Muse
October 26th, 2002, 10:47 PM
Pic....?

5,000 sq m, 49 apartments, 410 sq m of retail/commercial space and prestressed concrete.

The obligatory renderings....

................http://seidler.net.au/graphics/033_DT02.jpg

Showing the coloured glass end blades:

......http://seidler.net.au/graphics/033_DT01.jpg

CULWULLA
October 27th, 2002, 02:25 AM
I think its a brilliant little design for its site & location! for those who wana know its height its 55m! or 1metre lower than Darwins tallest.
:)

MrTall
October 27th, 2002, 03:05 AM
:puke:

Fabian
October 27th, 2002, 04:05 AM
Harry seems to love that curvy balcony design that he has used in virtually every residential tower since Horizion at Darlinghurst. These designs would have to make him unique from other architects.

Muse
October 27th, 2002, 07:23 AM
My only real concern about this project is this.

On the western wall overlooking the Mandarin Club Building on the corner of Goulburn and Pitt Streets, the top 7 floors only have a few slivers for windows. The rest is (once again, re Aspect) a blank wall. You can juuuuuust begin to see it in the 2nd rendering above. :(

Maybe they're expecting The Mandarin Club, which is a rather large deco building, to be redeveloped at some stage. :(

...or maybe, it's just that brutalism that H***y just cannot shake! :(

finn
October 27th, 2002, 02:26 PM
Very cool to have a thread for the construction of this one! :)

As for the potential blank wall, it will only rise 7 levels above The Mandarin Club, so it won't be nearly as bad as the Aspect's 41 level blank wall I'm sure! ;)

And considering the size (or lack thereof) of the block, there is no option really. You really can't have anything but a blank wall there just in case the Mandarin Club does wanna develop!

Then I suppose the same could be said for Aspect, but once again the size of it's blank wall is crazy!!! That's something for a designer to work out, and I'm sure that with a bit of thought they could have managed it!

Muse
October 28th, 2002, 05:40 AM
7 levels of (almost) blank wall too much :(

Redevelopment of The Mandarin Club :( . It's a large brick industrial style deco building i.e. the type of style brick-built deco factories have.

fro
October 28th, 2002, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by museumb
7 levels of (almost) blank wall too much :(


awwwww.... c'mon, it aint THAT much.
But then again.... :(

Fabian
October 28th, 2002, 07:46 PM
Blank walls are common in many building less than fifteen stories because they assume that the buildings next door to them will be of a similiar height.

Muse
October 28th, 2002, 07:59 PM
Well, that's understood. Has somebody actually heard that the Mandarin Club is going?

...but it comes back to my main concern in North's case. I wouldn't like to see the Mandarin club site developed yet i don't want to see a large H***y wall if the Mandarin Club site is never developed. Damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of thing.

A 7 storey, 70 storey or 7,000 storey H***y wall is just not what i wanna see. :( There is already enough of that in this town.

CULWULLA
November 28th, 2002, 03:06 AM
pic taken today at lunchtime!!
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid40/paeee3e1bc0b67b58eac2ed34fdff0b6c/fcff8f45.jpg

Fabian
November 28th, 2002, 05:24 AM
Comparing that photo with the one taken recently by me, it's increased only two floors in a month. That's a bit slow.

Noonos
November 28th, 2002, 05:55 AM
hey its harrrry's only colourred buiding!!!

finn
November 28th, 2002, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by Noonos
hey its harrrry's only colourred buiding!!!

That's quite a selective Seidler portfolio statement! What about Cove?

All the buildings in that neighbourhood look kind of muted in terms of their colour - the stark white and bright coloured balcony ends will be a welcome constrast I think!

Fabian
November 30th, 2002, 10:57 AM
I took a new picture today of it's progress.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid40/p593cae1253c6cbb660b520c3f111b75e/fcfd9914.jpg

finn
November 30th, 2002, 11:04 AM
Looks pretty similar to the stage it was at with Culwulla's last pic - but then again that was only 2 days ago!

The very cool thing is that its taken from the same angle as your original North construction pic Fabian, so its a very good comparison shot! :okay:

Fabian
December 1st, 2002, 07:30 AM
I always try to take Construction photo's from the same location if I can. It is for comparsion purposes too.

Muse
December 1st, 2002, 12:34 PM
IMO This 16 floor above ground building is rising relatively quickly. The tower of the crane looks as if it's almost at the 16th level too, if it isn't already :) .

WorldTowerWorker
December 11th, 2002, 08:01 AM
Seems north has risen a couple of floor plates. can any one confirm actual heights of core and floor plates:guns1:

Fabian
December 11th, 2002, 08:56 AM
Culwulla posted that North will be 55 metres tall.

WorldTowerWorker
December 11th, 2002, 09:33 AM
I mean actual heights at the moment.:weirdo:

WorldTowerWorker
December 12th, 2002, 07:42 AM
North is now sitting floor plate about 1 below the mandarin club if anyone has any new construction pics please post.:cheers:

SUNNI
December 13th, 2002, 02:07 AM
i personally think the desing looks aweful!
but, i thik it may suit where it is fine..

Fabian
December 13th, 2002, 02:55 AM
Originally posted by WorldTowerWorker
North is now sitting floor plate about 1 below the mandarin club if anyone has any new construction pics please post.:cheers:

My photo of November 30 on page one of this thread clearly shows what you've just stated.

WorldTowerWorker
December 14th, 2002, 07:37 AM
Originally posted by Fabian


My photo of November 30 on page one of this thread clearly shows what you've just stated.

All it shows is that the green mesh and scaffolding is at that height not the floor plate i saw it from level 39 of world tower and it is at least a floor or two under the mesh :finger:

Fabian
December 14th, 2002, 08:08 AM
It is within a floor of the top. Look up close.

Fabian
December 19th, 2002, 07:46 AM
New photo taken today. It has risen a floor since shot was last taken.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid43/pd25cc2d96dd39edac7dc3f534ab490b2/fcea8ca8.jpg

Muse
December 19th, 2002, 01:55 PM
:okay:

Can't wait to see the Mondrian coloured glasswork on the finished "product".

A Mondrian Painting titled "Composition A" (1923):

____________http://witcombe.sbc.edu/modernism/images/mondrian-compositionA2.jpg

Just as a reminder, part of the balconies of the frontage:

___http://seidler.net.au/graphics/033_DT01.jpg

...and thank the heavens they have taken down that effigy of H***y off the hordings. Amen!

Tony P
December 19th, 2002, 02:23 PM
Now that's a fembot you won't see very often! :)

No doubt Seidler got his inpiration for North's balcony separators from Le Corbusier's Unite d'Habitaion complex.

Click here (http://www.greatbuildings.com/cgi-bin/gbi.cgi/Unite_d_Habitation.html/cid_2464522.gbi) for a photo of what I'm talking about.

Muse
January 8th, 2003, 05:03 AM
BACK IN BUSINESS PEOPLE!! SITE IN FULL SWING!! :okay:

Fabian
January 16th, 2003, 05:41 AM
I took a new photo today. I think it has gone up a level since my last visit.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid47/pafe85fd1365a56e6446ca9a1e56fe7af/fcc5d0c5.jpg

CULWULLA
January 27th, 2003, 01:13 PM
took this pic last week-23rd/Jan. its now up over height of mandarin club . approx level 11 or 33.5m high.

http://www.skyscrapers.com/files/transfer/6/2003/01/180094.jpg

Fabian
January 27th, 2003, 07:59 PM
Looks as if more scaffholding has been added. I hope it has risen by another floor when I visit the site on Thursday.

Fabian
January 30th, 2003, 05:53 AM
I took a new photo today. It has risen another storey in a just a week.

fabian, you put a pic of cassia gardens here, so i deleted it!

CULWULLA
February 18th, 2003, 03:36 AM
looks like its not far from topping out!t
here up to 14, so only 2 levels to go.
took these today.

the side panels are clearly seen now.

http://www.skyscrapers.com/files/transfer/6/2003/02/182803.jpg



http://www.skyscrapers.com/files/transfer/6/2003/02/182804.jpg

Fabian
February 18th, 2003, 05:58 AM
Thanks for that update Culwulla!

I need to repost my picture as I was unaware that I posted the wrong one. Sorry. It has made some fairly good progress since January 30.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid49/pdebc07a023056fae59232dca8c4fece8/fcb5ab32.jpg

CULWULLA
March 4th, 2003, 10:33 AM
from today looing up Goulburn st

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid53/p29de04d684289a62a556780d7443bb5e/fc8e2676.jpg

Fabian
March 4th, 2003, 08:13 PM
Making good progress. How far to go until it top's out?

Muse
March 4th, 2003, 09:09 PM
Looks like it's only got one more floor to go until topping out, as far as floorplates go, but then the roof after that of course, otherwise the penthousers would be very cold during winter indeed - hA hEE hA :| ).

This is what I was fearing!!.....

We loose sight of a few blank walls that come along with new developments such as:

1) With the construction of Civic, part of the huge southern blank wall of Museum Towers and the back of Ibis, World Square will be hidden.

1) With the construction of Cassia Garden, part of the southern wall of The Summit will be hidden.....

BUT

.......we gain another (7 storey) blank wall hanging over the Mandarin Club with the western wall of North!!!!! :bleep:

finn
March 5th, 2003, 07:00 AM
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<tr><td align=left valign=top>Looks like it's only got one more floor to go until topping out, as far as floorplates go, but then the roof after that of course, otherwise the penthousers would be very cold during winter indeed - hA hEE hA :| ).

This is what I was fearing!!.....

We loose sight of a few blank walls that come along with new developments such as:

1) With the construction of Civic, part of the huge southern blank wall of Museum Towers and the back of Ibis, World Square will be hidden.

1) With the construction of Cassia Garden, part of the southern wall of The Summit will be hidden.....

BUT

.......we gain another (7 storey) blank wall hanging over the Mandarin Club with the western wall of North!!!!! :bleep:</td></tr>
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Yes, that blank wall on North is more detrimental to the area than I would have thought at first! Especially so if they paint it the bright, glaring white that the rest of the building will sport!

It's funny how these blank wall things work, considering that as North presents us with this new blank wall, it also covers all the blank walls of the high-rise courts next door to it!

Fabian
March 5th, 2003, 07:44 AM
I'd be nice if they painted the wall white. It's looks so ugly being grey.

finn
March 5th, 2003, 08:18 AM
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Yes, but if its white it will very obvious and really glare badly when the western sun hits it after noon! I think it would be good with a billboard on it. :)

Muse
March 17th, 2003, 10:09 PM
Well, this one has topped-out!

Think they are testing an undercoat of paint or actually starting to apply it, just above the Mandarin Club side on the blank wall.

Fabian
March 18th, 2003, 05:44 AM
I think it has according to the picture

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid55/p26e33613a2648eccdb3a37f8036ce7f1/fc7cc7fd.jpg

CULWULLA
March 18th, 2003, 12:48 PM
pic from today!

Painting has started on the west face!

http://www.skyscrapers.com/files/transfer/6/2003/03/184710.jpg


heres a pic thru the Latitude site

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid55/p16ed95ef8c5845b17d358718deeb2c29/fc7c74e9.jpg

Fabian
March 18th, 2003, 08:04 PM
It wasn't even painted when I took that photo yesterday.

CULWULLA
March 19th, 2003, 02:59 AM
realestate.com dont think it looks tall!!
lol

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/2205/1602205ml1042956156.jpg

Muse
March 19th, 2003, 07:27 AM
LOL @ the squished-up version CULWULLA!!! So funny!

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They were testing a little square in the bottom left hand corner of the western face on Tuesday - you can juuuuuuust see it in the last few pics.

Bulwara
March 19th, 2003, 07:59 AM
Bloody hell! I must be walking around with my eyes closed. I had no idea North was this far into its construction. I guess I havn't been on this thread for a while! We'll be seeing lovely curved white balconies with primary colours in no time!

CULWULLA
March 27th, 2003, 04:08 AM
first coat of paint on west face done!

http://www.skyscrapers.com/files/transfer/6/2003/03/186141.jpg

Fabian
March 27th, 2003, 04:56 AM
Looking great. Cannot wait for the scaffholding to come off.

Blabbyboy
March 27th, 2003, 08:37 AM
I think it looks great. Is it an Engelen Moore? It looks very Sydney...very Seidler-esque.

tayser
March 27th, 2003, 08:46 AM
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it's a Seidler.

Bulwara
March 30th, 2003, 12:08 PM
This morning I took a closer look. Scaffolding has been removed from a vertical section of the building, revealing the signature curves of our beloved Mr Harry Siedler ...

http://images2.fotki.com/v21/photos/2/22045/220204/0358north-vi.jpg

peek-a-boo! Now we see a strip of raw balcony ...

http://images2.fotki.com/v21/photos/2/22045/220204/0359north-or.jpg

http://images2.fotki.com/v20/photos/2/22045/220204/0360north-or.jpg

Muse
March 30th, 2003, 12:52 PM
That has to be an undercoat on the western face - it's grey!

Did we really have to have that close-up of Seidler :tongue3: ? BTW We've been able to pek-a-boo @ the curved balconies for a couple of weeks now.

Bulwara
March 30th, 2003, 12:58 PM
well, as I said earlier

I have been walking around with my eyes closed, and I havn't seen it on this thread (or is it?)

Bulwara
March 30th, 2003, 01:01 PM
...also


if we must have Seidler creations in our fair city, we may as well be reminded of what the old bastard looks like!

Muse
March 30th, 2003, 01:42 PM
Fair enough Mr B. & lol ..... but perhaps smaller pics of H***y would have been adequate.

As such - this is a nice one of him (but the Milsons Point apartment interior is nicer - reowwwww!!): This is now only the 2nd pic of him on this thread.

______________http://www.seidler.net.au/graphics/office/harry.jpg


...and yes, I did read that you hadn't been to the thread for yonks .... and quote: "Bloody Hell" - open those eyes > :sleepy: > :sly: > :eek: > :sleepy: ! ;) .


Some facts about North - 5,000 sq m, 49 apartments, 410 sq m retail/commerical space. Prestressed concrete. The apartments are designed following a split-level planning system. This results in a ceiling height of 2.85m over the living areas and 2.7m in the raised bedrooms.


...and typical 1/2 bedroom North apartment plans. The 2 elevator shafts are at the back.

_____http://www.seidler.net.au/graphics/033_DT03.jpg

climbing_crane
April 13th, 2003, 05:37 AM
Ok I've never noticed this building before but if it's the one just across from Civic then you might like to know that they took down the crane today.

Fabian
April 13th, 2003, 05:55 AM
It's across from Civic

I can say that the crane is now down?

What about the scaffholding? Is it still up?

climbing_crane
April 13th, 2003, 10:10 AM
Not sure Fabster. I think the building is all glass. If so it looks nothing like the renders I saw. Or maybe the all glass building was next to North. Like I said I've never paid attention to this site.

Fabian
April 15th, 2003, 06:38 AM
This "all glass" building your talking about is the Family Court Building. That was completed more than ten years ago. North is right next to this.

CULWULLA
April 15th, 2003, 08:28 AM
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heres a pic i took recently of family Courts. i love this bldg!

http://www.skyscrapers.com/files/transfer/6/2002/11/172075.jpg

climbing_crane
April 15th, 2003, 08:47 AM
That's not the one I was talking about. Looks kinda cute though. Nice curves.

fro
April 15th, 2003, 11:02 AM
Hmmm.... that is a nice building. I love the bottom half of it... that dark slate/marble look is very classy. I love it. It'll prove a nice contrast to the white curvyness of North.

climbing_crane
April 15th, 2003, 11:31 AM
Of all new buildings around this North one is the runt of the litter. I guess every litter needs a runt.

Fabian
April 15th, 2003, 10:25 PM
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Are you talking about the John Madison Tower (Civil Courts)? which is on the northern side of Castleraugh St.

climbing_crane
April 16th, 2003, 02:07 AM
Actually now that I think about it it was the one in the picture above. I reckon this runt will get bullied by all the bigger ones around:)

Fabian
April 18th, 2003, 05:43 AM
North yesterday

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid60/pa5b214d0d4591fb8996b6b0ae8d97cdc/fc530a8a.jpg

Muse
April 18th, 2003, 08:23 AM
Now all we can really do as forumers with this one is wait for all the mesh to start coming down...."twiddles thumbs and hums*

CULWULLA
April 18th, 2003, 11:51 AM
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yeah its looked the same for the last 2 months! i think ill start taking pix again after harry has got his mixed paints out and painted the balcs!!

tayser
April 30th, 2003, 04:26 PM
bumped so as thread wont get deleted

Muse
May 7th, 2003, 05:54 AM
The scaffolding is coming down with the coloured partitions being exposed. Red, yellow, white.....as in the renderings.

Gouburn St will be the street of the massivley hung - along with the huge overhangs of Civic Tower and E & Y @ Latitude, the undulating curves of the balonies of North will only add to the affect.

I think North will compliment the curved corners of the diagonal transfer structure of Civic Tower opposite beautifully :okay:

Muse
May 13th, 2003, 11:31 PM
Yesterday (Tuesday) I passed the site and the scaffolding is coming down relatively quickly. The top four floors were exposed.

I am hoping the developers will put a "North" sign on the 7 storey blank western wall. Here's hoping :master:.

DBM
May 14th, 2003, 05:10 AM
Photos, please, forumners!
So that those of us who are out town can get a preview of the unveiled North before we return....

CULWULLA
May 14th, 2003, 05:40 AM
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So that those of us who are out town can get a preview of the unveiled North before we return....</td></tr>
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as soon as it stops raining i was going to snap away. but it hasnt stopped raing in a bloody week!!!
:rant: hopefully this week?
:D

DBM
May 14th, 2003, 07:03 AM
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as soon as it stops raining i was going to snap away. but it hasnt stopped raing in a bloody week!!!
:rant: hopefully this week?
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Thanks!
I've been following the rain on the web: parlty out of interest, partly because my own tiny bit of development (an extention) is being slowed down because the builders can't pour concrete or work on the roof. Now I have sympathy for those big projects that go frustratingly slowly!

Fabian
May 14th, 2003, 07:48 AM
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So that those of us who are out town can get a preview of the unveiled North before we return....</td></tr>
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Don't worry DBM!!!

I was going to get one on Friday, but i'll have to move back a week.

CULWULLA
May 15th, 2003, 05:54 AM
pix from today! well rain didnt stop so i went anyway!lol
looks good up close!

http://www.skyscrapers.com/files/transfer/6/2003/05/193259.jpg

first coloured balc! 'red"

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/509/126closeup.jpg

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/509/126fromgeorgest.jpg



:)

DBM
May 15th, 2003, 06:05 AM
I think it'll look terrific!

I thin one reason people accuse H***y of making his buildings all look the same is that he has a distinctive style that's not the fashion of the moment; whack up a glass tower and no-one complains that it looks like another glass tower. But the Horizon and beyond Seidler all looks very differnt from the mainstream, and so we concentrate on the similarities between them (which are what define their differences from the mainstream) rather than the diffences they have from each other.

Another point: are there any plans for something that will hide the blank wall??

CULWULLA
May 15th, 2003, 06:11 AM
agree!
the blank wall is there to stay! the cnr Mandarin club is heritage listed! which is good i think because if a bldg went up to same height all you would see are the balconies. this way you can see curved roof :)

heres a pic showing Miramar with mandarin club at left

http://www.sydney-rooms.com/images/miramar6a.jpg

Tony P
May 15th, 2003, 06:11 AM
Thanks for that Culwulla. That's a Seidler alright! :)

I'll have a looksie myself this afternoon. It should look a little more elegant when we see the full height of the fascade. Not bad, so far.

DBM
May 15th, 2003, 06:29 AM
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the blank wall is there to stay! the cnr Mandarin club is heritage listed! which is good ...</td></tr>
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I'm certainly glad the Mandarin club is listed. But that being the case why the blank wall? Why not some windows overlooking the roof?

Fire restrictions?
Harry likes the blank wall?
Overlooking issues?

finn
May 15th, 2003, 06:56 AM
The heritage listing of the Mandarin Club doesn't prevent a few more floors being added to the top of it - does it?

I'm talking an addition like the contemporary top portion that was added to Customs house, and the upper levels approved to be added to the Scots Church (Portico), or the Goldsborough Mort levels that were added...or something like that.

The Mandarin Club looks like a prime opportunity for a residential conversion, with about 5 or 6 new levels, designed in a contemporary but complementary style. This would block that blank wall of North.

Don't worry - if someone else doesn't do it first, I'll take care of that when I finish my Property Economics course, and I'm working for a big developer. ;)

DBM
May 15th, 2003, 07:27 AM
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I'm talking an addition like the contemporary top portion that was added to Customs house, and the upper levels approved to be added to the Scots Church (Portico), or the Goldsborough Mort levels that were added...or something like that.
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I don't know, but these additions can be awful. The addition to the Goldsborough Mort building looks cheapjack and terrible, IMHO. And similarly the top of customs house ruins the integrity of the building.

While I agree that eh Mandarin club, while worth protecting, isn't in the class of those buildings, I still would be very anxious about how adding levels worked (it might work with enough setback, giving the impression of a taller building behind it rather than a dodgy extention)

finn
May 15th, 2003, 01:04 PM
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<tr><td align=left valign=top>The heritage listing of the Mandarin Club doesn't prevent a few more floors being added to the top of it - does it?

I'm talking an addition like the contemporary top portion that was added to Customs house, and the upper levels approved to be added to the Scots Church (Portico), or the Goldsborough Mort levels that were added...or something like that.
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I don't know, but these additions can be awful. The addition to the Goldsborough Mort building looks cheapjack and terrible, IMHO. And similarly the top of customs house ruins the integrity of the building.

While I agree that eh Mandarin club, while worth protecting, isn't in the class of those buildings, I still would be very anxious about how adding levels worked (it might work with enough setback, giving the impression of a taller building behind it rather than a dodgy extention)</td></tr>
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I agree on the Goldsborough additions...it just isn't worth trying to replicate the original structure (which their additions attempted to do), because it ends up looking like a cheap copy of the original, with mass produced modern-day materials and totally different structural techniques.

As for the Customs House addition, I really like it and dispute any ruining of integrity...I was already a bit of a mongrel building before the most recent additions, having been majorly added to or changed about 5 or 6 times throughout various decades since its original construction. So it's almost in the spirit of the building to keep adding, changing and updating! ;)

Personally, I don't think much of the Mandarin Club...but if it's heritage listed and needs to be retained then at least a couple of floors on top could do it wonders! Like the new apartment that was built on the roof of Droga House in Surry Hills - that couldn't be more different to the original brick warehouse it sits atop, but looks brilliant IMO!

I think I'd have to get a Melbourne architect in to design some sort of surprising/trendy/funky addition to the Mandarin. ;)

DBM
May 15th, 2003, 11:48 PM
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<td align=left valign=center> <smallfont> <b>I agree on the Goldsborough additions...it just isn't worth trying to replicate the original structure (which their additions attempted to do), because it ends up looking like a cheap copy of the original, with mass produced modern-day materials and totally different structural techniques.

As for the Customs House addition, I really like it and dispute any ruining of integrity...I was already a bit of a mongrel building before the most recent additions, having been majorly added to or changed about 5 or 6 times throughout various decades since its original construction. So it's almost in the spirit of the building to keep adding, changing and updating! ;)

Personally, I don't think much of the Mandarin Club...but if it's heritage listed and needs to be retained then at least a couple of floors on top could do it wonders! Like the new apartment that was built on the roof of Droga House in Surry Hills - that couldn't be more different to the original brick warehouse it sits atop, but looks brilliant IMO!

I think I'd have to get a Melbourne architect in to design some sort of surprising/trendy/funky addition to the Mandarin. ;)</td></tr>
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I agree that he Custosm house job is not as sad as Goldsborough, but indeed poor old CH has had a history of being messed around badly. The latest effort has me a bit worried too, though at least the outdoor space looks like it will be less desolate than it now is.

Yes Droga house is fun, though the original brick warehouse really is very undistinctive and the whole layered effect of the adddition is more interestign than either the warehosue alone or a new building. The Mandarin club, while not exciting, has a structue that I'm not sure will benefit froma wild addition. Though maybe it'd be fun...

Just on the issue of how great Mandarin Club is, I dont think that to preserve a building we need to claim it has huge architectural merit, or even that it is especially rare. I think it is a question of preserving the temporal layering - the sense of there being a deep and rich mix of buildings from all periods, with as rich a base of original ones as we can - which is what adds a feeling of reality, depth and history to a city. In Sydney we have lost so much of the built history that we need to preserve what there is wherever possible (even if that means sometimes resorting to facadism). So I guiess even if MC is not a building that you'd walk past and be impressed by, its presence adds to the impression of depth and richness of the built environment.

Fabian
May 23rd, 2003, 10:34 PM
North apartments yesterday from George St. Not much more sacffholding is being removed.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid63/p9090509aabecf7fc63ae775fe69b1fff/fc17f10e.jpg

Bulwara
May 26th, 2003, 08:02 AM
More pics, taken today

http://images3.fotki.com/v24/photos/2/22045/232274/north1-vi.jpg

http://images3.fotki.com/v25/photos/2/22045/232274/north2-vi.jpg

fro
May 27th, 2003, 08:55 AM
WOW! Looks really nice! Nicer than I thought! Top pics Bulwara!
I'll have to take another look at this one when I'm the city tomrrow!

fro
June 1st, 2003, 02:21 AM
Yeah, I had a look at North (as well as many others) on my walk around the southern CBD and I must say I was rather impressed with North. The blank wall on the western Side wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be.

Nice work Siedler. A really classy piece of work for sure.

Fabian
June 1st, 2003, 07:44 AM
I cant believe they would build a blank wall if it was never going to be built out.

A lost opportunity for the developers to make more cash:D

spazpecker
June 1st, 2003, 09:57 AM
I've just come back from a southern CBD walk and was VERY IMPRESSED with North ! The wavy balconies look fantastic and give the Goulburn St 'canyon' a real point of difference !
Chalk this project up as a major success for Siedler- the project sold out in days with every apartment selling at absolute premium prices for the southern CBD !

CULWULLA
June 10th, 2003, 06:23 AM
from today!
7 balcs exposed!!

http://www.skyscrapers.com/files/transfer/6/2003/06/196433.jpg

Fabian
June 10th, 2003, 08:08 AM
The scaffholding is taking forever to come off.

CULWULLA
June 17th, 2003, 05:20 AM
from2day! 8 levels exposed!!

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/509/126northfromnorth.jpg

MrTall
June 17th, 2003, 09:12 AM
OMG!!!

Harry is such a knob:ohno:

finn
June 17th, 2003, 09:41 AM
This precinct is seriously going to be one of the most architecturally diverse around!

With everything from the Post-Modernist Federal Court next to North, to the Art Deco Civic Hotel across the street from North, to the Brutalist Masonic Centre/Civic Tower on the opposite corner, to North itself, and whatever style that is called! ;)

Fabian
June 17th, 2003, 10:08 PM
North yesterday

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid65/p020334fcbf4b52ea3a235d4957d9458d/fbe7e054.jpg

CULWULLA
June 18th, 2003, 01:05 AM
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With everything from the Post-Modernist Federal Court next to North, to the Art Deco Civic Hotel across the street from North, to the Brutalist Masonic Centre/Civic Tower on the opposite corner, to North itself, and whatever style that is called! ;)</td></tr>
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it will also be the most confusing! you will have north apartments across from East apartments but it will be east of east ? lol

SinCity
June 18th, 2003, 02:23 AM
I actually thought that "North" was south of "East" ....... ;)

climbing_crane
June 18th, 2003, 05:35 AM
South of east the south CBD continues. East of east you have North. Therefore west of North you are back to east. Kapeet.:)

AR
June 19th, 2003, 10:24 AM
My pic of NORTH

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~edwin.robertson/mypic21.jpg

fro
June 19th, 2003, 02:14 PM
Nice picture there AR. I really, really like this Seidler work. It's quite nice really. And the blank wall isn't as bad as I tought it would be... tops!

I also note that there's still some scaffold to come down... Also, would I be right in saying that once Civic is built North will be deprived of a lot of sun?

AR
June 19th, 2003, 04:40 PM
I agree with you there fro. To me, NORTH seems to blend in well with its surroundings, the curved baloconies contrasting well with the straight lines and dark glass of the courts building next door.

finn
June 19th, 2003, 11:39 PM
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Shhhh! Don't tell all the people who bought into the development because of the "northerly aspect" (thus the name "North") of the property! ;)

climbing_crane
June 20th, 2003, 03:10 AM
Ooops I thought this was the Common thread. Bye bye.

CULWULLA
June 26th, 2003, 06:32 AM
all the balcs are showing now! just hoarding to be taken away!

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/509/126northbestfront.jpg

Fabian
June 26th, 2003, 07:10 AM
Marvellous. It's looking great.

Muse
June 29th, 2003, 11:57 AM
Here is a pic I took just after 4.30PM today - Sunday arvo - 13 levels now exposed:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/509/379north2.jpg

Bulwara
June 29th, 2003, 01:46 PM
I really like it, colours and all!

'On ya Harry ... you old bastard!

SydneyDude
June 29th, 2003, 01:56 PM
i lurv it! heres a pic from yesterday:

http://www.lewycomputing.com.au/andy/other/north1.jpg

CULWULLA
July 9th, 2003, 06:41 AM
todays pix!

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/509/126northup.jpg

SinCity
July 9th, 2003, 06:49 AM
Wow, Harry did a fantastic job with this one. How can the critics complain over this one.

A highly photographic building at that ...........

CULWULLA
July 9th, 2003, 06:54 AM
from Museum towers WOW!
http://www.skyscrapers.com/files/transfer/6/2003/07/201362.jpg

Fabian
July 10th, 2003, 12:36 AM
North Yesterday

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid69/p4cd025a408230ba669b659f488e49db3/fbb8b468.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid69/p3cbae571ff7654d8a92f17a5f23d8b7d/fbb8b44f.jpg

CULWULLA
July 10th, 2003, 01:13 AM
The base now fully exposed and hoarding will be gone very soon!

http://www.skyscrapers.com/files/transfer/6/2003/07/201506.jpg
Ive also changed north's status on SS.com from UC to completed!!

NORTH, COVE & REX HOUSE are newest scrapers in Sydney!

Fabian
July 10th, 2003, 03:25 AM
KPMG has also been sprayed as complete too. It's time too move it in too.

CULWULLA
July 23rd, 2003, 06:03 AM
from 2day. the ground floors granite facade was being put up today! looked good.

http://www.skyscrapers.com/files/transfer/6/2003/07/205326.jpg

Muse
July 23rd, 2003, 08:42 PM
Say, wouldn't it be really classy if Seidler & Assoc. adhered the word 'NORTH' running vertically down the blank western wall. Neoned for night of course. The colours to match the glass dividers - as such:

_________N
_____O
_____R
_____T
_____H

Noonos
July 25th, 2003, 09:10 AM
Originally posted by museumb
Say, wouldn't it be really classy if Seidler & Assoc. adhered the word 'NORTH' running vertically down the blank western wall. Neoned for night of course. The colours to match the glass dividers - as such:

_________N
_____O
_____R
_____T
_____H


lol

i need to buy either norths penthouse or horizon's pent house!

Fabian
July 25th, 2003, 11:38 PM
I like the idea, it would brighten up the building a bit.

heyhey
August 22nd, 2003, 08:28 AM
Hey museumb, that would look good......

By the way that was a great Photo of north from Museum Towers

spazpecker
August 22nd, 2003, 10:24 AM
Great photos guys. Harry dun good !!!
I remember the render of this building got a bit of stick on this forum about 12-18 months ago- even I was a bit nervous about the final outcome....however it has all turned out just fine diddly ine. A real point of difference in the southern CBD. !! :cool:

Fabian
August 22nd, 2003, 10:46 AM
It might of looked a bit strange back then, but it came out just fine.:)

Bulwara
September 13th, 2003, 08:20 AM
I was walking down Goulburn St today so I just had to take some pics!

http://images4.fotki.com/v39/photos/2/22045/307766/178goulburnst-vi.jpg

http://images4.fotki.com/v38/photos/2/22045/307766/179north-vi.jpg

http://images4.fotki.com/v39/photos/2/22045/307766/181north-vi.jpg

http://images4.fotki.com/v38/photos/2/22045/307766/182north-vi.jpg

CULWULLA
September 23rd, 2003, 05:52 AM
finally got the whole completed North in one shot without shade.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/500/126northsep22.jpg

Fabian
July 17th, 2004, 09:38 AM
I completely forgot about this one I snapped from the pool deck in WT back in November 2003. It was looking it's best.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid88/pdf0ffe17ff8ea2a4ab29db75ff116e4b/fa90a12c.jpg

Trances
July 19th, 2004, 09:50 AM
Good Image there but the colours do need to be more
so that NORTH would help