is this ok to put in this sections?
we have TWOX 2000ft megatall telecommunication towers rising atm both will eclipse current tallest-553m CN Tower.
they will be become 2nd and 3rd self supported structure in the world behind Burj Dubai!

diagram update
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3348/3326865693_d5958d166b_o.jpg

current tallest CN TOWER
http://www.paulhightower.com/images/paul/ON,%20Toronto%20CN%20Tower%201.jpg

recent photo of GUANGZHOUS TOWER

http://image211.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20090226/23/44648319200902262307232164260251417_009.jpg

render of SKYTREE
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3581/3327713856_751630bd9d_o.jpg

you're a mod, why are you asking us? :lol:

If the tower in Guangzhou is looking like that, it is pretty nice.

And the "gravity ride" if that is what it sounds like...that would be a freaky experience ... tho maybe not as freaky as the roller coaster on top of the Las Vegas tower.

CN Tower had the crown for more than 30 years. It is ok to pass it on.

:cheers: To the CN Tower - it's been a great ride and a heck of a view!

Cheers, m

you're a mod, why are you asking us? :lol:

mods can break the rules to that's why there's more than one, keeps a balance of power.

When the guangzhou tv tower will be ready that will be just another thread for tokyo sky tree tower so i think its unnecessary.. Btw nice diagrams as allways :okay:

is this ok to put in this sections?


Sure, why not. Mods have power of decision. However, it doesn't quite keep with the format of the other threads. Maybe a sticky?

It took 30 years for CN Tower to be eclipsed. And now there's a new one that eclipses it every few months!

So this is about TV towers. And took 41 years for ESB to be eclipsed. We don't need a TV tower in NYC but it would be nice to have one. We should build on across the river in Brooklyn that way it would stand out.

these are double the height of the first real tall tower (Eiffel).
really impressive. i couldnt imagine a tower double the height of our tallest (sydney tower-309m)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3600/3324800491_4b1dd05113_b.jpg

^^ Dammit. I love that tower. :hug:

anyway, i see that the gravity ride starts at 500m. :D

Just a question someone know the exact height of the GZ TV tower ? 610.00 m ? the Sky tree is 610.58 m precisely, not 611 m in his thread.

tokyo sky tree is fugly

Just a question someone know the exact height of the GZ TV tower ? 610.00 m ? the Sky tree is 610.58 m precisely, not 611 m in his thread.

GZ tower is exactly 610m. and skytree is 60cm taller at 610.6m.

is this ok to put in this sections?
we have TWOX 2000ft megatall telecommunication towers rising atm both will eclipse current tallest-553m CN Tower.
they will be become 2nd and 3rd self supported structure in the world behind Burj Dubai!

Once the Shanghai Tower and the Pentominium are finished, they will be on place 4 and 5! So the List will look like this

1-Burj Dubai 818m
2-Shanghai Tower 632m
3-Pentominium 618m
4-Tokyo sky tree 610,6m
5-Guanghzhuo Tv Tower-610m
6-Abraj al Bait 595m

and so on....please correct me in pionts i am wrong....

EDIT: btw i don't get the whole "new self supported tower thing", because imo the BD is now the tallest self supported tower, so your diagram should include at leats one tower that is UC and will be above 818m tall.

^correct. skytree and GZ tower will be 2 and 3 tallest on completion.
will be a few years before Shanghai tower and pentominium will be up.

Once the Shanghai Tower and the Pentominium are finished, they will be on place 4 and 5! So the List will look like this

1-Burj Dubai 818m
2-Shanghai Tower 632m
3-Pentominium 618m
4-Tokyo sky tree 610,6m
5-Guanghzhuo Tv Tower-610m
6-Abraj al Bait 595m

and so on....please correct me in pionts i am wrong....

EDIT: btw i don't get the whole "new self supported tower thing", because imo the BD is now the tallest self supported tower, so your diagram should include at leats one tower that is UC and will be above 818m tall.

maybe 5-6. you forgot the 646m tower in shenzhen :)

^correct. skytree and GZ tower will be 2 and 3 tallest on completion.
will be a few years before Shanghai tower and pentominium will be up.

Great work Cul, I think soon you can add Pagcor tower in your diagram if you see the last news about it.

He will when it's 100% confirmed that it's U/C now.

Both supertalls are very beautiful. I cant believe they are twice the height of Eiffel and Tokyo towers...

but centerpoint in sydney is not our tallest, q1 on the goldcoast is...

^yes Q1 is our tallest skyscraper, but sydney tower is a tower which is what this thread is about ;
as for southern hemisphere. Aucklands Skytower is tallest at 328m.

some news reveals that the GZ TV tower is 618m, i really have no idea which height is correct

what about the russian tower at 612 meters, is that still in the running?

the russia tower is on hold ^^

the 618m isnt official, so we will go with 610m.

what about the russian tower at 612 meters, is that still in the running?

Russia tower is a building not a selfsupported tower, by the way RT is on hold.

^^ mhhhhh since when are buildings (skyscrapers) not selfsupported towers? Are they "anything else selfsupported"?

but this thread is about towers.

pagcor tower (http://www.pagcor.ph) will be the next tallest...
Height - 655m
Construction Starts - 2010
Completion - 2012

^^ i know Cul, but what is for example the Burj Dubai? Isn't it a TOWER anymore? When not what is it? A tall building and aren't tall building supposed to be called towers? I mean, tell me the differerence of the use of the word tower for a structure like the Tokyo Sky Tree and the Burj Dubai?! Both are TOWERS both are designed to be selfsupported! A treadttitle like "world's next tallest selfsupported communicationtower/TV Tower" could be a better chioce, or not? So as i mentioned in my post from last page, i think that the Burj Dubai is currently the world's tallest selfsupported TOWER, therfore the diagram on page 1 should also contain one TOWER that is taller than the Burj Dubai!


I hope you get my point Cul.

my idea of a tower is a structure built with a shaft and turret ,topped with mast. no floor after floor like a skyscraper.
on skyscraperpage. you click the "tower" tab and you will get a line up of telecommunications towers. if you click mast you will get masts.
same goes for skyscraper which are listed as ";highrise"
a tower is very different to a skyscraper. totally dif structures and engineering.

thnx for the diagram cul



AND THIS IS MY 1000th post!!!! SWEETTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
U only get this milestone once

^just 31,000 more to catch up to moi. lol
is the pagcor tower really going to see light of day in these economic times?

^^ well.. we'll see. Because the whole complex where the pagcor tower will be built is already started construction. :cheers:

i wish theyll start the pagcor also...

it will start ^^ but not not. maybe in a few years. :D

^just 31,000 more to catch up to moi. lol
is the pagcor tower really going to see light of day in these economic times?

i guess so coz... capital infusion is coming from investors... :)

when does sky tower construction begin?

ill put in pagcor tower when it starts to rise.

diagram update

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3560/3359025372_e7833e9c97_o.jpg

nice diagram :)

update
guangzhou now megatall at 510m!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3538/3386028706_785c31b193_o.jpg

my idea of a tower is a structure built with a shaft and turret ,topped with mast. no floor after floor like a skyscraper.
on skyscraperpage. you click the "tower" tab and you will get a line up of telecommunications towers. if you click mast you will get masts.
same goes for skyscraper which are listed as ";highrise"
a tower is very different to a skyscraper. totally dif structures and engineering.

I agree with you, indeed CTBUH use a criteria to separate "tower" and skyscraper :

"A tall 'building' can be classed as such (as opposed to a telecommunications tower) and is eligible for the ‘Tallest’ lists if at least 50% of its height is occupied by usable floor area."

http://www.ctbuh.org/HighRiseInfo/TallestDatabase/Criteria/tabid/446/language/en-US/Default.aspx

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/db/Pagcor_city.jpg

Did u see something big and tall?
It's the ecity.. Now RISING... Is it?


PHILIPPINES PAGCOR STARTS CONSTRUCTION OF ENTERTAINMENT CITY (http://www.individual.com/story.php?story=97270452)
MANILA (March 4, 2009) (http://www.individual.com/story.php?story=97270452)


The Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corporation (PAGCOR) has finally started the construction of the country's largest and premier entertainment city. Dodie King, vice president for Corporate Communications of Pagcor, said the P25 billion (US$513 million) entertainment city,which is similar to Las Vegas and dubbed the Bagong Nayon Entertainment City Manila, will be the premier hub of entertainment and tourism in Asia. Pagcor was developing and creating various entertainment activities such as musical plays with the magical show "Wanders" as its initial offering. The entertainment city was expected to generate over 250,000 jobs during the construction and its operations by completion in 2012. Pagcor expects to double its income to US$1.3 billion once the new entertainment city becomes operational.

^^

well if the tower starts up, i want construction photo updates.

The news release was posted in its full version in the Pagcor Tower thread. It was about construction of the "entertainment city".
There was no mention whatsoever of the tower. Enthusiasm is fine, but for this forum facts are better.

^yeah . i had a feeling that tower may not be even included in ititial works. thats one hell of a foundation for the tower this size to construct. it would be a year just to complete the piling.

^^
yeah even until now people in manila sea two cranes clearing the land and doing some digging at the proposed ecity... no structure is rising though..

genting of malaysia will build the tower as the cenrpiece of the ecity and its hotel casino. hopefuly they can rush up things but genting is currently developing a hotel in newport city(philippines) near NAIA and after it they'll proceed to the ecity.

aruze is making only a hotel, high end retails and amusement parks with manila eye as its centerpiece the same with the london eye but its partly dipping on the manmade lake. :)

huughh... too long for waiting... :)

The tallest tower! OH! Dubai Again!

what is a selfsupported structure?

OMG this is crazy, I wonder if there will ever be a height at which the buildings will just collapse in on themselves.

what is a selfsupported structure?

no guyed wires for support. eg= masts

EDIT

update
guangzhou tower-the bulk of spire is now 510m (100m to go)
notice the red/white antenna inside spire? i suppose thats the bit that will eventually be raised to the top.

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we have a new tallest tower!!!
the antenna has been hoisted up over past few days
now 2000ft high!!


http://photo1.bababian.com/usr553405/upload15/20090424/skFGQK0WRgQkrvbsWDKIFKj8LCl8Kt8UECNYkQG++xMdew+HmV_UOOA==.jpg

i dont think its 2000FT yet.. last update i heard was 510m..... and it doesnt look 90m tall.

^your right,.. its about 590m now

http://bbs.home.news.cn/upfiles/03F10F93.002C

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3538/3477396621_650978a8cd_o.jpg

WOW nice diagram, the CN tower was for its times a real giant, it took 33years to build a taller broadcasting tower and that only with a difference 57m, what isnt a great jump for three decades. I hope once someone will build the Burj Dubai of TV towers, with a difference of several hundred meters to the then world record holder. A tv tower with lets say 1000m or 1200m......with an ob deck at 1km!...

im pretty sure guangzhous tower has topped out? did it make news in guangzhou?
looks like there is a view platform at 530m, maybe not for public. other workman platforms at 550m,575m,592m and 603m.
topped out on star wars day! may the 4th ... be with you.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3305/3502762304_4f0071fb92_o.jpg

not to forget the next tallest-skytree is heading up. its beams are now over 36m high.

i am so happy to live in a such good period for tower and skyscraperconstruction. one overtakes the other. Humans are building structures which were impossible to built 8 years ago and we are about to build structire(s) which exceed one kilometer...WOW cant wait to see diagrams of Cul with the Nakheel tower or Burj Mubarral in it.

http://photo1.bababian.com/usr553405/upload15/20090424/skFGQK0WRgQkrvbsWDKIFKj8LCl8Kt8UECNYkQG++xMdew+HmV_UOOA==.jpg

I think it's T/O yet. Maybe, the spire doesn't look like 100 meters, but the photo was taken very near to the tower. It looks shorter, but I think it's an ilussion because the perspective... (sorry for my English).

^in that phto, the spire is 150m above the rim.
ive scaled it at 610m. maybe more to come. could be 618m like some have said.

latest photos
from skyscrapers.cn
http://photo1.bababian.com/usr553405/upload15/20090506/s+yXnP_tzBdJzlXvru9KmyBnL5J1rTbArVRiBdxp4jwMNhZHC69UQXg==.jpg

http://photo1.bababian.com/usr553405/upload15/20090506/syMKgxK7vcEc8Wy8Sf0SP9GCkgk6I1E8U6FuWim5TLBItzCrX4OYd4A==.jpg

http://photo1.bababian.com/usr553405/upload15/20090506/sJYZanQqqq+KGxwmjQbcUuun3MAm5dxuXSRUy3tGwBKQ0m7kW0Xautw==.jpg

Sorry for being pedantic, but for accuracy's sake the upper observation deck of the CN Tower is called the Skypod (or Sky Pod), not Spacedeck.
And that's from long before iPods came around.

I hate to see Toronto lose its crown, but oh well. It had a good innings. It's still massive.

i wonder if the metre spikes above the antenna are included in 610m?
http://photo1.bababian.com/usr553405/upload15/20090506/s+yXnP_tzBdJzlXvru9KmyBnL5J1rTbArVRiBdxp4jwMNhZHC69UQXg==.jpg

They're all sexy.

Not sure, but I think I read something about a 1000m tower that gonna be built in Saudi Arabia as part of a big project, I think this is the render
http://www4.0zz0.com/2008/11/09/13/900632314.jpg
If this gonna happen, all other towers would look very small, I like the competition:nuts:
but still not sure

see below:nuts:

official height confirmed as 2000ft/610m.
not incl 1m light rods on top
worlds 2nd highest platform you can stand @ 605m.
Burj Dubais top balcony acess is 768m.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3639/3564430925_e35ea7a1e4_o.jpg

top section

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3575/3564463297_df8ee20175_o.jpg

^^ so finally GTVT is 0,4 metres (when you count the Beacon & 1m lightning rod) taller than Sky Tree?

^^ okay, maybe I should read more carefully! SORRY!

^i dont think beacons and light rods are included in official height.? they should be.

update
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Not sure, but I think I read something about a 1000m tower that gonna be built in Saudi Arabia as part of a big project, I think this is the render
http://www4.0zz0.com/2008/11/09/13/900632314.jpg
If this gonna happen, all other towers would look very small, I like the competition:nuts:
but still not sure

it's part of Taif Tourism City , which is a proposed project .
nothing serious yet .

^i dont think beacons and light rods are included in official height.? they should be.

on skyscrapers in the 4th ctbuh criteria :
4. Height to Tip
Height is measured from sidewalk level of the main entrance to the highest point of the building, irrespective of material or function of highest element (thus including antennae, flagpoles and signage).

Why not on TV towers ?
another question, Is the 610.6 m TST height include beacons and rods ?

^maybe the beacon and rods are included already?

CULWULLA

Please be respectful to us "grieving" Canadians....

The CN Tower upper observation point has never been
called the "spacedeck", it's called the "Skypod".
Could you please correct your diagram.

First the Burj Dubai, then the Guangzhou TV Tower, and
soon the Tokyo Skytree.
Just like the Empire State Building, the CN Tower will soon
be out of the "top 10"....... :(

i agree mclancer, but at least the cn still has the highest glass floor i think .

^^ nope, i think the observation-deck of the SWFC, has also a glass florr from which you can look down 472m's i think! Guys correct me if i am wrong.

sorry i think u r right germantower,but can u see straight down to the ground like in the cn tower ?

cn towers both decks are indoor? guangzhous top deck is 450m -outdoor.
the 472m skybridge up SWFC has glass floor but only looks down 35m to lev96 deck below.

^^ However don`t forget the world highest glass floor is the Grand Canyon Skywalk at nearly 1200 m over Colorado river.

^^ yeah but that's not the same. were talking about skyscrapers....

that's why I put "highest" not "tallest" if you understand the difference. I just post to remember about the glass floor an there is a possible project about introduce obdeck glass floor on Sears Tower.

but does the sky tree have a revolving restaurant to remind you of the sensational seventies?

guangzhous tower is nearly done. skytrees cranes have risen to 100m+

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2448/3673582868_4a659e8f12_o.jpg

that's why I put "highest" not "tallest" if you understand the difference. I just post to remember about the glass floor an there is a possible project about introduce obdeck glass floor on Sears Tower.

It's already there, here are some photos:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=39110106

^^thanks

it looks terrfying

diagram update.can someone tell me if ok?
what does the writing say for the 471m level?
looks like roof is close to 500m?
ive edited skytree to more accurate heights and dimensions
looks like both towers are 610m.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3421/3714905548_8e6682e97c_o.jpg

update
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3539/3851440690_2d4388a512_o.png

update
now over 400ft

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2477/3876773630_f807c0b06c_o.jpg

http://pagcor tower.com

wow great height:banana:

wow great height:banana:

i think too

If Guangzhou TV tower is opened before Burj Dubai it will be the tallest free standing structure on earth for a short amount of time.

^Burj dubai will be opened on dec2. i dont think Guanghzou tower will be opened before then.

quick diagram of current two tallest self supported structures
still 200m dif.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3524/3902704940_01365fe860_o.jpg

goog job trex

exellent diagram cuwulla

great towers - great height

great towers - great height

yes i like too much this towers

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk2/phineas27/23syec1.jpg

Philippines newest landmark/attractions/Skylines

The '' PAGCOR TOWER ''
Height: 665 m
Estimated completions: 2012
Part of the bagong nayon entertainment city manila


I hope you like it and support it

^^
source??

anyway, nice one!
:banana::banana:

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk2/phineas27/23syec1.jpg

Philippines newest landmark/attractions/Skylines

The '' PAGCOR TOWER ''
Height: 665 m
Estimated completions: 2012
Part of the bagong nayon entertainment city manila


I hope you like it and support it

It's only approved, they aren't constructing it yet. So can't be in this list.

^i wanna see pilling and concrete trucks and guys will yellow hats walking around before i add that tower.

WoW bEaUtIfUl tower

see some info. regarding to the pagcor tower on wikipedia or http://www.great-structures.com/news/under-construction/future-skyscrapers/#more-1529

Similair design to the Space Needle in Seattle USA.

Philippines newest landmark/attractions/Skylines
The '' PAGCOR TOWER ''
Height: 665 m
Estimated completions: 2012
Part of the bagong nayon entertainment city manila
I hope you like it and support it Check the Pagcor thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=41306240&postcount=666). The 665m proposal is dead and buried.
1. It hasn't been approved;
2. The proposed height has been reduced to 300m;
3. The Civil Aviation Authority will have the final say as the proposed site is next to a major airport. Think about it. :doh:

there is no final decision about reducing the height... although there some article release that these tower reduce to 300m we still proud having this iconic tower....there is no final renders release..

Skytree is a real tree by growing 24m.!
NEW OFFICAL HEIGHT-634M/2080FT
reason is because skytree people foud out Guangzhou was also 610m. so 24m was added to antenna to achive tallest structure in china ,beating Shanghai tower also by 2m.
only burj dubai will be higher!
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2454/4025065124_6a568bb78c_o.jpg

skytree now over 200m.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2752/4115292295_6fffcb65d5_o.jpg

reason is because skytree people foud out Guangzhou was also 610m. so 24m was added to antenna to achive tallest structure in china ,beating Shanghai tower also by 2m.

Tokyo is not in China lol.

Tokyo is not in China lol.
not yet

Hey culwulla, are these drawings to scale? If not then what are the base diameters of these towers?

of course they are to scale.
guangzhou = approx 65m dia at base
skytree is around 70m

Similair design to the Space Needle in Seattle USA.

except the space needle is wayyyyy better lol

Skytree is a real tree by growing 24m.!
NEW OFFICAL HEIGHT-634M/2080FT
reason is because skytree people foud out Guangzhou was also 610m. so 24m was added to antenna to achive tallest structure in china ,beating Shanghai tower also by 2m.


I see the future. after that the chinese will put a 4m Spire on their construction to beat the skytree by 2m.

update

great towels

now 390m
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4035/4616909451_e15e8b2550_o.jpg

Check the Pagcor thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=41306240&postcount=666). The 665m proposal is dead and buried.
1. It hasn't been approved;
2. The proposed height has been reduced to 300m;
3. The Civil Aviation Authority will have the final say as the proposed site is next to a major airport. Think about it. :doh:

I hope this is not true though. I'm still hoping for a Supertall landmark in my home country. Gramercy and Stratford are not aesthetically distinct enough to make an impact on the Manila Skyline, I think.

I have to say though, that the renderings of the Pagcor Tower does not match the grand scale of its purported height. Perhaps an international design competition should be held. Not only will we see better designs, but also, the media attention that such a competition attract is free advertisement for the Pagcor City, Manila and the Philippines.

Just my $.02.

FYI, GUANGZHOU TOWER NOW 600M.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4135/4886838718_d408fb8a30_o.jpg

2 CULWULLA: Nice work with nice updates. One simple question.
Why Ostankino TV ower is not in the diagram? It is 500+ m and for a few years it was "The world's tallest self supported tower". You have a finished model of it in the large "tallest scrapers" diagram.

^i started diagram from CN tower. i suppose i can add the moscow tower.next update.

here you go.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4114/4903315292_b2c7ed1c09_o.jpg

recent photo from momo
tokyo skytree
current height 569m.

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/4628/img621864189850281.jpg

MOMO-
CURRENT HEIGHT 594M
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/5065/o0800120011062615913.jpg

tokyo sky tree is progressing very well. is Guangzhou towers similar to the canton tower cause they look almost alike

^^GuangZhou tower and Canton tower are one and the same...

tokyo sky tree is progressing very well. is Guangzhou towers similar to the canton tower cause they look almost alike


Guangzhou and Canton refer to the same city :lol:

just saw the first page diagram by culwalla its cool that its now nearly two years and its already nearly finished

MOMO-
CURRENT HEIGHT 594M
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/5065/o0800120011062615913.jpg

I just love how the Sky tree blends in with the other buildings;) :D

been 7 months time for update

photos by momo
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/8944/131485482233713113209.jpg

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/6140/o0800106711452810842.jpg

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/9392/o0800195711437567430.jpg

Excellent photos !!! And looks to me like the worlds most beautiful self supported tower !

anyone know if plans for a taller tower yet?

Where is the thread for Canton Tower? It's Ferris Wheel has opened and the gravity ride is about to open as well.

It was moved to the DN Archives months ago. I'd like to see pictures of the gravity ride.

anyone know if plans for a taller tower yet?

well there is one, but the tower seems very unlikely and is mostly cancelled by now: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=527282

also: http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=51986424

edit: and dont forget that there always is the possibility for a solar tower on several places on the earth

I really don't want to be the crane operator lol

wow skytree looks very futuristic.

well there is one, but the tower seems very unlikely and is mostly cancelled by now: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=527282

also: http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=51986424

edit: and dont forget that there always is the possibility for a solar tower on several places on the earth

^^
it's quite sad that PAGCOR Tower is somewhat scrapped..

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4eFwg7O6qcA/TV4crTx2lmI/AAAAAAAAAK0/qNuW7aqZgVM/s640/future-manila-bay-skyline-757233.jpg

that is where the 665m tower should have been built..:ohno: