Given the Alliance has a new website i thought it would be apt to give this major project its own thread. A potential $15billion development (similar in size and cost as Docklands).

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Official Website
http://www.stirlingcitycentre.com.au/

City of Stirling
www.stirling.wa.gov.au/

Stirling City Centre Structure Plan (http://www.stirlingcitycentre.com.au/files/081027_Structure%20Plan%20Framework%20Advertising%20Version.pdf)

SCC Image Gallery (http://img24.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=80180653.jpg)

Stirling is proud to announce its goal to become ‘the world’s most sustainable city’ by 2031. The Stirling City Centre is emerging as a high-density people friendly city offering exciting lifestyle opportunities and world class facilities.

The Stirling City Centre is driven by the Stirling Alliance – a collaborative partnership between the community, the government and the private sector committed to achieving ‘win-win’, best for community outcomes.

Diversity

As the people’s city, Stirling celebrates diversity while striving for a sense of community.

Social diversity will be complemented by affordable housing, family dwellings and aged care facilities, as well as an array of cultural activities and recreational opportunities.

The Stirling City Centre will also embrace the challenge of bringing ecological diversity back to a currently degraded area. A particular focus is on the urban stream that extends from the city’s northern end, to Herdsman Lake in the south. The stream will assist with environmental remediation, recreational opportunities and dynamic aesthetics.

Plus, as one of WA’s primary strategic activity centres, Stirling will accommodate a variety of business and employment opportunities across commerce, education, research and industry; as well as the employment prospects normally found in metropolitan centres.



Preffered Long-term transport solution (http://www.stirlingcitycentre.com.au/files/PREFERRED%20LONG%20TERM%20TRANSPORT%20SOLUTION%202009.pdf)

thanks aaron.

i actually saw the weblink in your signature before this thread, so good idea.

seems a lot better than the old website. and also very promising in what they are doing...

In terms of immediate development... we should start to see some plans in the coming months (more likely the end of the year) regarding what will be "Westfield Arcade".

Essentially it will be a link into Westfield Innaloo but will form the bulk of retail functions along what will be Stephenson Avenue and the "living stream". Of course, a lot of this hinges on the state budget and the outcomes of the Infrastructure Australia report.

I really like the idea of this development, it would make Stirling more like a city in its own right, as well as giving Osborne Park what is in my opinion a much needed facelift and upgrade

With the space available for development this could become a proper TOD / alternative CBD. It'll be fantastic if it goes ahead as planned (it's just a pity that damned IKEA store is in the way).

Ikea may be a blessing in disguise

I avoid the new IKEA store like the plague, the built it so big that it attracts people, too many people, it's always so packed, and you can escape without doing a loop, terrible.

I escaped, I went down the stairs to the first bit and I thought I cant be botherd, so I turned left and went out a door and it was near the checkouts haha :D

IKEA will give all the low cost housing and student housing tenants somewhere good to purchase low cost furniture, and for the students, eat.

Who here doesn't love IKEA's $3.50 breakfast?

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The Stirling City Centre project has just completed its "Festival of Ideas" forum.

Its findings are now online.

FESTIVAL OF IDEAS OUTCOMES (http://www.stirlingcitycentre.com.au/index.php?id=31#23july)

I encourage everyone to view this presentation as it gives a good outline of the proposal and its direction (17mb)

LANDUSE PLANNING PRESENTATION (http://www.stirlingcitycentre.com.au/files/Land%20Use%20Planning%20Presentation.pdf)

love it! Hopefully they get started soon. Problem with 50 year plans is its always put off -__-

Great plan, I want to see it done as well. It's about as good integration with the Mitchell as you could probably get, but I'm not from Perth so I wouldn't know.

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I get the intent (grammatically) but it's quite funny seeing a ? (Q mark) after 'world class beaches'.

love it! Hopefully they get started soon. Problem with 50 year plans is its always put off -__-

problems with even 3 year plans in Perth is that they are also put off :lol: ;)

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What ever happened as a result of these sessions? ^^

Nothing serious; about 8 months have now passed....
Has this been put off? :lol: Or has the next stage been set for later this year?

What ever happened as a result of these sessions? ^^

Nothing serious; about 8 months have now passed....
Has this been put off? :lol: Or has the next stage been set for later this year?

The Alliance has since opened an office in Innaloo (near the old Ewin Street shops)...but the project seems to have lost a lot of traction.

I believe they were going to make a bid for Infrastructure Australia money but never made the cut.

I suspect some more updated, more detailed plans will be released soon with regards to the upgrade of Stirling train station, particularly the bus station and parking. It seems the first part of this project is going to be around IKEA and the station.

Oh thanks for that Aaron.
Interesting, I look forward to see what is planned for around the IKEA and the station in upcoming months then :)

I guess the City of Stirling is the website to review and not the Alliance's website if they've lost traction and fundings didn't get approved /go through....

Oh thanks for that Aaron.
Interesting, I look forward to see what is planned for around the IKEA and the station in upcoming months then :)

I guess the City of Stirling is the website to review and not the Alliance's website if they've lost traction and fundings didn't get approved /go through....

I believe the first project will be duplicating the bus access to the station by creating a second bus access bridge on the southern side of the station.

This of course, would have to be done in tandem with some kind of "stage 1" development of Stephenson Avenue that crosses the Mitchell Freeway.

Initial problem; cost.

I sat next to a planner from the City of Stirling at the first PERTHour, it seemed to still be going ahead as far as he was concerned. Apparently all the government departments are working well together for a change, and all the original staff is still there, no turnover at all. I also queried him on the other Stirling projects, I think I impressed him with how well-informed I was, thanks to reading this forum :)

What also needs to brought up on the check list is a secondary off ramp coming off the cedric street off ramp into the IKEA store. So the shoppers who drive long distances to go to IKEA get off at that off ramp, and the residents of the area can use the original offramp. Its a complete and utter fucking shit feast driving around that area because of the new IKEA store being there. The store needs its own ramp off the freeway, like a detour coming off the original offramp. The traffic on ALL the streets, including the residential ones here are royally and officially fucked now, and this HAS to be brought up in the next meeting.

What also needs to brought up on the check list is a secondary off ramp coming off the cedric street off ramp into the IKEA store. So the shoppers who drive long distances to go to IKEA get off at that off ramp, and the residents of the area can use the original offramp. Its a complete and utter fucking shit feast driving around that area because of the new IKEA store being there. The store needs its own ramp off the freeway, like a detour coming off the original offramp. The traffic on ALL the streets, including the residential ones here are royally and officially fucked now, and this HAS to be brought up in the next meeting.

I agree. I have a mate who lives on Odin st and the traffic around Cedric is a fucking nightmare. Fucking hate Ikea.

I agree. I have a mate who lives on Odin st and the traffic around Cedric is a fucking nightmare. Fucking hate Ikea.

Im completely with you there. Driving on these streets around here is fucked!

The city beatification shit on the roads on Odin and Barnes hasnt made it all the better. Its a real cunt getting in and out of driveways there with the massive stupid islands with trees in them now and also since the verges that use the be there a few years ago have been hacked to pieces. Seriously who was the donkey cunt town planner who did this job? I want him to live either on Barnes or Odin road for a year to contemplate how successfully he or she has fucked up the roads around here.

ikea > you plebs

man up you whingers

This should be in the retail thread. After all Ikea is in the FOOD business.

ikea > you plebs

man up you whingers

Fuck you Sanj, you fucking curry munching taxi driving tosser prick ;)

Go and eat some more curry and get some food poisoning while your at it mate

you stinky cunt :)

Fuck you Sanj, you fucking curry munching taxi driving tosser prick ;)

Go and eat some more curry and get some food poisoning while your at it mate

you stinky cunt :)

:lol:

P.S - you're

I sat next to a planner from the City of Stirling at the first PERTHour, it seemed to still be going ahead as far as he was concerned. Apparently all the government departments are working well together for a change, and all the original staff is still there, no turnover at all. I also queried him on the other Stirling projects, I think I impressed him with how well-informed I was, thanks to reading this forum :)

I don't think the issue is whether the project is going ahead, its just that "going ahead" could be strung out over several decades.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wa/7406014/16b-plan-for-stirling-to-create-second-cbd/

$16b plan for Stirling to create second CBD
CATHY SAUNDERS, The West Australian June 16, 2010, 5:53 am

The Cedric Street freeway ramps will be replaced by several others, a light rail may take commuters through Osborne Park, there will be more bridges across the freeway and Innaloo shopping centre is expected to double in size under a bold plan for a new Stirling city centre.

The Stirling Alliance, which includes representatives from State, local and independent government authorities, plus the community, is angling to have the City of Stirling transformed into Perth's second CBD.

They are aiming to vie with the Eastern States, where North Sydney is a popular alternative to the Sydney CBD and St Kilda is a major drawcard after inner-city Melbourne.

The Stirling City Centre plan is in line with the State Government's Directions 2031 framework for the metropolitan region.

The area covered by the plan is 370ha and bounded by Karrinyup Road, Odin Road, Jon Sanders Drive, King Edward Road and Selby Street.

Osborne Park is already the second biggest employment area outside the CBD and the Stirling plan allows for an extra 25,000 residents and 30,000 jobs in the Stirling area by about 2050.

In another move that will draw more people to the area, the Westfield Innaloo retail precinct is tipped to have a $300 million redevelopment over the next few years.

Last week the State Government announced it had transferred 11ha of State-owned land in Stirling to the WA Planning Commission to kick-start plans for the integrated city centre around the Stirling train station and the Innaloo shopping precinct.

And in last month's State Budget, $5.5 million was allocated for planning the city centre, which will be added to $3 million provided by the Stirling City Council.

There will be a number of urban squares in different locations with shops and alfresco areas, parks with small streams, and affordable housing and office space near the train station, which is destined to become the focal point of the city centre. Sustainability will be taken into account in any new developments.

Ellen Stirling Boulevard, near Innaloo shopping centre, may be realigned, becoming a main street, and Hutton Street will stretch down from Scarborough Beach Road to Jon Sanders Drive.

Stephenson Avenue will be extended from Scarborough Beach Road north to the freeway with on and off ramps connecting to Cedric Street north and, eventually, to Karrinyup Road.

The proposed bridges across the freeway are at King Edward Road and McDonald Street in Osborne Park.

Stirling Alliance project director Nanette Garland said one of the main issues was that the connections to the freeway were congested.

"We are looking at priority public transport down Stephenson Avenue, once it is constructed, whether that be buses in the first instance or we are hoping to have light rail eventually," she said.

It was likely the light rail would run from the Stirling train station down Stephenson Avenue and along Scarborough Beach Road to Glendalough train station.

"Stirling is not really pedestrian friendly and is very much car-oriented at the moment," Ms Garland said. "So we want an integrated city centre around the train station and to make the area more pedestrian friendly and public transport friendly."

Stage one will cover the area south of the freeway and stage two, likely to start in five to 10 years, will centre on the area north of the freeway. A small portion of the land close to the train station may be developed for housing and offices during the next 12 months. Ms Garland said some of the new offices could be suitable for State Government departments.

"All the new developments will have a catalyst effect," she said.

"Stirling is probably the best location to have a major city centre. The private sector likes to be close to the city but cannot necessarily afford the rents in the city."

Stirling mayor David Boothman said the $16 billion project would help the City of Stirling continue to be the "city of choice" for residents, businesses and visitors.

Stirling chief executive Stuart Jardine said the project would provide for the long-term prosperity of Stirling by generating jobs and wealth.

"The people-friendly urban hub will blend affordable housing with retail shops and commercial properties, all easily accessible via public transport," he said.

The structure plan framework has been endorsed by the Stirling council and a full structure plan will be presented to the council in August or September for approval to release it for public comment.

I love these plans for this city centre, but it would be nice to see the light rail push a little further north and east from the hospital and Stirling train station, further west from Innaloo up Scarborough Beach Road, futher east along Scarborough Beach Road and Angove Street, and south towards Subiaco...... make it a nice network through there, not just the one line between two stations and a hospital.......

There were three sketches in the paper version of the article (p52)

2050? Everyone on here wont even see that!
Atleast its happening :)

They're definitely playing on a model similar to North Sydney. Building over a train station. Old industrial area. Land bridges over a freeway.

They're definitely playing on a model similar to North Sydney. Building over a train station. Old industrial area. Land bridges over a freeway.

That doesn't sound like North Sydney at all...sure you got the right place?

problem will be getting people to live there. No-one lives in the area east of Ellen Stirling Bulevard / Stephenson Ave - it is all light industrial and retail. If they want the place to be lively (i.e. not like Perth City Centre) then they need to focus on getting population growth in and around the new "city" centre.

Stirling is not really pedestrian friendly and is very much car-oriented at the moment,"
oh really? It's also one of the ugliest areas too. Good to see they are doing something about it.

I love these plans for this city centre, but it would be nice to see the light rail push a little further north and east from the hospital and Stirling train station, further west from Innaloo up Scarborough Beach Road, futher east along Scarborough Beach Road and Angove Street, and south towards Subiaco...... make it a nice network through there, not just the one line between two stations and a hospital.......

I posted light rail feasibility (http://www.stirlingcitycentre.com.au/resources/assets/Light%20Rail%20Patronage%20and%20Financing%20Study%20-%20PB.pdf) in the transport thread, the line out to the beach is planned for later on. The latest Curtin light rail study (http://sustainability.curtin.edu.au/research_publications/publications.cfm) also had a future network map at the end with a line going up through stirling to Mirrabooka then back down to Mt Lawley.

That doesn't sound like North Sydney at all...sure you got the right place?

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Second CBD, same street layout, next to a freeway. Buildings over a train line.

i can't see IKEA in North Syd

edit: wasn't there an IKEA in/near the city in sydney? (I vaguely remember seeing one driving through a few years ago...)

^^ Yes there used to be one just off the Eastern Distributor in the Supacentre developement. It may now be a Harvey Norman.

Second CBD, same street layout, next to a freeway. Buildings over a train line.

You're 2nd post makes a bit better comparison but they are still two very different places.

for fucks sake you start going out with a bogan from rockingham and all of a sudden your becomes you're

slippery slope kfc, slippery slope

dont say i didnt warn you

well spotted :lol:

Never mind the use of 2nd instead of second in a sentence...

just making shore our kids grow up respectful of mincy's bogan heritage

for fucks sake you start going out with a bogan from rockingham and all of a sudden your becomes you're

slippery slope kfc, slippery slope

dont say i didnt warn you

:lol:

lulz i never use apostrophes bart, you should know that by now.

your/you're is nearly as annoying as their/there/theyre

Having worked in Osb Park - I thought the commercial area facing Herdsman Pde (hmmm... could be Herdsman, not Ozzy Park) would have made a more logical place for Perth's second CBD. There is already a shiteload of office space there (not to mention some of Perths largest employers like The West, Lotteries Commish, John Holland etc). Plus, high-rise views of the Herdsman Lake could further boost land values if density was to be significantly increased. There are at least 3 x 6Floor Office developments there already.

However, I'm first to admit its in dire need of some town planning to improve facilities, infrastructure and connections to freeway&traino. But i don't reckon Cedric St in Stirling could really contend for second CBD in my lifetime. Not enough there.

Having worked in Osb Park - I thought the commercial area facing Herdsman Pde (hmmm... could be Herdsman, not Ozzy Park) would have made a more logical place for Perth's second CBD. There is already a shiteload of office space there (not to mention some of Perths largest employers like The West, Lotteries Commish, John Holland etc). Plus, high-rise views of the Herdsman Lake could further boost land values if density was to be significantly increased. There are at least 3 x 6Floor Office developments there already.

However, I'm first to admit its in dire need of some town planning to improve facilities, infrastructure and connections to freeway&traino. But i don't reckon Cedric St in Stirling could really contend for second CBD in my lifetime. Not enough there.

Development will eventually progress down Stephenson to the Herdsman area. The project will start adjacent to the freeway because of its accessibility to the train station.

The target market for this project is definitely office development...despite what they've said about residential and retail uses.

I'd say over the course of 20-30years, development will progress down Stephenson Avenue and will include land around IKEA and Westfield Innaloo, then filter out into the existing Osborne Park industrial area.

I think we'll see a large second CBD consisting mostly of office and residential development take place within the existing industrial area between Stephenson/Ellen Stirling Blvd and Hutton Street, and north of Scarborough Beach Road.

Does anyone know what is being built in the Herdsman precinct where a crane has appeared? Looks like it could be at least 5 stories, possibly higher.

Does anyone know what is being built in the Herdsman precinct where a crane has appeared? Looks like it could be at least 5 stories, possibly higher.

It's an 11 storey office tower, if you drive past there's a picture on the fence. Should easily be the tallest in Osborne park. Not really related to the Stirling city centre though.

I noticed the crane going up. Pretty conspicuous in that area.

It's an 11 storey office tower, if you drive past there's a picture on the fence. Should easily be the tallest in Osborne park. Not really related to the Stirling city centre though.

Im fairly certain this is the building BGC are developing - with no pre commitment (although that may have changed since). Something like 4 floors of parking & 7/8 floors above that. This will certainly stand out !!

yep, will be the first building in that area to qualify for 'highrise' status. I think it's around 38m high.

yep, will be the first building in that area to qualify for 'highrise' status. I think it's around 38m high.

high rise :lol: oh man

nah should be good for the area. would be good to consolidate the area as a new hub for work activity

Thanks for the info above. Drove past the other day to look at the picture on the fence. Should be an impresive addition to the sky line. Look forward to more higher buildings in the area to give perspective to the area. One highrise on its own looks out of place.

where is it located?

I noticed the crane going up. Pretty conspicuous in that area.

:lol: does that mean this crane sticks out from everything else?

where is it located?

if so Gabe needs to find the crane and then he/she can find the site's address :lol:

I found the site Gabe :) this site (http://www.wabusinessnews.com.au/login.php?url=http://www.wabusinessnews.com.au/story/1/78418/BGC-planning-Osborne-Park-high-rise) says it's at:

3 Hasler Road, Osborne Park (http://www.nearmap.com/?q=@-31.912718,115.811648&ll=-31.912718,115.811648&z=16&t=h&nmd=20101213)

Ignore place marker I put there on that map reference; the map can't show no 3. It can just identifies the locality of Hasler Road.

im a he/she?? lol, just a he.

Cheers for answering my question

:lol: sorry i didn't call you a he/she, I just didn't know who you are; and Gabe could be short for Gabrielle.
(I thought Gabriele could be either a girl or a guy)!! :nuts:

if and when you go to the site, please post a pic of the site and or crane :) cheers.

:lol: sorry i didn't call you a he/she, I just didn't know who you are; and Gabe could be short for Gabrielle.
(I thought Gabriele could be either a girl or a guy)!! :nuts:

if and when you go to the site, please post a pic of the site and or crane :) cheers.

lol no porbs...

but would this have been a hint?

Quote Ryan79: Gabe. Your like a hetero oasis in a poof desert.

unless that quote is implying I am a chick and Ryan has the hots for me... which could be an easy interpretation actually... :lol: :lol:

It's on the Stevenson ave side. There's four 60m buildings proposed up the road on Selby st.

There's no height limit in Herdsman, just a minimum parking requirement.

^^ Yes there used to be one just off the Eastern Distributor in the Supacentre developement. It may now be a Harvey Norman.

theres now one being built in tempe on Princess Hwy.... set to be the biggest IKEA in the southern hemisphere. which is an absolute fuck up because princess highway is a carpark at the best of times.

This is the 11 storey building site in Herdsman.

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It actually doesn't fit the Stirling plan very well. There's supposed to a major hub at Stirling station and a smaller hub at Glendalough station, but this is almost exactly halfway between the two.

I think its great. I think there should be towers (if 11 stories is a tower lol) all the way along there, whether business or residential.

^^
Yeah but this area needs to URGENTLY bring in rules of zero setbacks, parking at the rear of new developments instead of the front and space made for retail/commercial/cafes on the street frontage.
A potential 2nd CBD is pretty much in development here but is being developed as an office park when it should be developing as something like a chatswood.

2c

^^
Yeah but this area needs to URGENTLY bring in rules of zero setbacks, parking at the rear of new developments instead of the front and space made for retail/commercial/cafes on the street frontage.
A potential 2nd CBD is pretty much in development here but is being developed as an office park when it should be developing as something like a chatswood.

2c

^^ agree, I thought new developments were meant to have shorter setbacks but I dont realy have a clue...

11st office building in Osborne Park. Not bad progress considering its built by BGC.

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^very good progress for BGC :nuts:

There has been another crane put up pretty much right next to the other building recently built, I was watching it be put up yesterday from Floreat :)

Mindblowing progress on that herdsman tower. They hadn't even laid the ground floor slab until after the Xmas break. It's also unusual to see a slip form on these smaller developments in Perth. Hopefully a sign of things to come.

Having all these projects getting underway (and some now completed) before any finalisation of the planning for the SSC must give stakeholders currently interested in the actual Stirling/Innaloo project a lot of confidence.

I have no doubts the Herdsman/Innaloo/Stirling area will see the highest growth in economic activity and development in the next couple of decades aside from the CBD.

This is too fast for BGC standards. Should we call in worksafe?

Must be what happens when you grease up the unions.

It might be because BGC own it and are building it out of their own money so its getting pumped in quick and fast?

Can someone try help me find the DA app put in for the 11storey building BGC are doing, I wanna find some elevations or something?
please :)

I've tried, but I failed

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What has always amused me about WA is how the Americanisation has truly set in when a mere shopping centre or a few streets of office space is called a 'city centre'. No, only Perth has a true city centre, the rest are glorified shopping malls.

What has always amused me about WA is how the Americanisation has truly set in when a mere shopping centre or a few streets of office space is called a 'city centre'. No, only Perth has a true city centre, the rest are glorified shopping malls.

This is the start of the Stirling City centre project, where they are developing this area into a second CBD :) many more High rises to come... hopefully

What has always amused me about WA is how the Americanisation has truly set in when a mere shopping centre or a few streets of office space is called a 'city centre'. No, only Perth has a true city centre, the rest are glorified shopping malls.

I would say Fremantle, Manduarah, Midland, Armadale and Joondalup all have city centre's.

city of swan's major city centre is midland...

-delete-

I would say Fremantle, Manduarah, Midland, Armadale and Joondalup all have city centre's.
They aren't cities though.

I think they are there the centre of the respective city - city centre, just like saying town centre...

They aren't cities though.

stop being silly... there's no set rule on what "defines" a city...

stop being silly... there's no set rule on what "defines" a city...

According to what? American ideas of population size of whether it contains a cathedral?

I think they are there the centre of the respective city - city centre, just like saying town centre...

They're part of a city, Perth. Yes.

A city is a relatively large and permanent settlement.[1][2] Although there is no agreement on how a city is distinguished from a town within general English language meanings, many cities have a particular administrative, legal, or historical status based on local law.

For example, an article of incorporation approved by the local state legislature distinguishes a city government from a town in Massachusetts. In the United Kingdom and parts of the Commonwealth of Nations, a city is traditionally a settlement with a royal charter.[1] Historically, in Europe, a city was understood to be an urban settlement with a cathedral.

Cities generally have advanced systems for sanitation, utilities, land usage, housing, and transportation. The concentration of development greatly facilitates interaction between people and businesses, benefiting both parties in the process. A big city or metropolis usually has associated suburbs and exurbs. Such cities are usually associated with metropolitan areas and urban areas, creating numerous business commuters traveling to urban centers of employment. Once a city expands far enough to reach another city, this region can be deemed a conurbation or megalopolis.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City

"Once a city expands far enough to reach another city, this region can be deemed a conurbation or megalopolis."

That settles it - the Megalopolis of Vincent it is.

smalls steps matt...

Yeah - start at hamlet and go from there.

The Sprawl of Vincent more like it... although same could be said for most LGA's really (and not just Perth ones).

Rule of thumb for a place that 'feels' like a city centre could have say more than 100 jobs per hectare. Few 'centres' outside of Perth would be able to boast that.

For comparison with residential development, late 1990s greenfield suburbs would have about 30 residents per hectare.

For comparison with Sydney's employment centres (as distinct from 'city centres') see http://www.bts.nsw.gov.au/ArticleDocuments/80/tf2008-02-transfigures.pdf.aspx
E.g. Employment density in jobs/ha
North Sydney 369
Chatswood 271
Parramatta 131

3 Hasler road has 11 stories in total and levels 1-5 carpark 6-11 offices and the building will be completed in late november 2011.

It's an 11 storey office tower, if you drive past there's a picture on the fence. Should easily be the tallest in Osborne park. Not really related to the Stirling city centre though.
:banana: yeah its gonna be masive

I kinda wish they'd just get rid of Hasler Rd and combine it with Jon Sanders Drive...

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/216899_1830764163708_1078490413_32048684_5466148_n.jpg

something like that, and make a new laneway between the blocks for driveway access so it's not on JSD..

Bugger that. Stephenson Av needs to be finished off, it would releave a part of the shitstorm scab bc road has become. With the north end of Step Av completed roads like cedric street for residents would be freed up.

Fuck im tierd should be posting on this forum at this time:crazy:

Are you talking about extending Stephenson Ave to join up with Ellen Stirling Boulevard?

Does anyone know what is being built in the Herdsman precinct where a crane has appeared? Looks like it could be at least 5 stories, possibly higher.

yes its 3 hasler road due for completion in november 2011 1-5 levels carpark 6-11 office homed to bgc

Its a huge building for Osborne Park. You still try to get your head around it when you drive past it, since it immediatly dwarfs the buildings around it. Its good to see a developer has thought this building through also. Providing extensive parking available within the lower part of the structure. It'll future proof the tenants in that building when the city of stirling decides to enforce bullshit payed parking. Hopefully that will never come to be.

Are you talking about extending Stephenson Ave to join up with Ellen Stirling Boulevard?

Stephenson Ave north section is never meant to connect to Ellen Stirling Bv. That dirt mound you see on the other side of the storm water creek on the east side of Ellen St Bv is where the northern end of Steph Ave is meant to be built. It will fly over the southern end of the cedric st interchange, south of Stirling trainstation, and eventually meet with the eastern side of cedric st, just east of the Stirling train station car park. This pink line illustrates the proposed network.
http://i55.tinypic.com/2e3x37a.jpg

I thought for some reason that the extension was only going to join up to the Freeway and not ESB...

The extension was never meant to join up with ESB. In fact, I would preferred it if ESB was deviated on to somewhere in middle of the extended Stephenson Ave. I don't see why we need so many traffic lights in succession on Scarbs Beach Rd.

If you moved ESB so it joined onto Stephenson Avenue, the resulting parcel of land could then be transferred (sold, whatever) to Westfield for possible expansion of the Westfield Innaloo shopping complex.

That would cause a shitfest of a mess, if that was to happen. Stephenson Av and Ellen Stirling Bv are always meant to be two separate road networks. Stephenson Av is supposed to be the cut through, through the shitstorm of that part of Osborne Park / Innaloo area that consists of Scab bc road. Stephenson Av is suppose to be elevated on the Scab bc road section similar to the overpass of Graham Farmer Fw/Orrong Rd and Great Eastern Highway, but i doubt that will ever occur. Maybe if it was done 15years ago, but not now. Society has become more pedestrian friendly and anti-automobile now, you probably will see the reduction of lanes on Scab bc road next with all these novelty trees on the median strip for drunken dickheads to run into.

^^ Remember there was talk of light rail too.

^^ Remember there was talk of light rail too.

And a monorail...

That would cause a shitfest of a mess, if that was to happen. Stephenson Av and Ellen Stirling Bv are always meant to be two separate road networks. Stephenson Av is supposed to be the cut through, through the shitstorm of that part of Osborne Park / Innaloo area that consists of Scab bc road. Stephenson Av is suppose to be elevated on the Scab bc road section similar to the overpass of Graham Farmer Fw/Orrong Rd and Great Eastern Highway, but i doubt that will ever occur. Maybe if it was done 15years ago, but not now. Society has become more pedestrian friendly and anti-automobile now, you probably will see the reduction of lanes on Scab bc road next with all these novelty trees on the median strip for drunken dickheads to run into.

Stephenson ave is suppoed to run through from the south to the north side of the freeway as a District Distributor (Special Transit Boulevard) as shown here:
http://www.stirlingcitycentre.com.au/assets/images/_resampled/resizedimage554600-PPP0255SK040DStructure-Plan-NO-AERIAL-02.jpg

There are some cross sections of the proposed/possible light rail in this transport overview from the Stirling City Centre site (I had some better ones, but I can't find them on my system now):
Stirling City Centre Transport Overview (http://www.stirlingcitycentre.com.au/assets/Uploads/RPTTransport-Overview1.pdf)

And a monorail...

Pardon the French - but fuck monorails.

Stephenson ave is suppoed to run through from the south to the north side of the freeway as a District Distributor (Special Transit Boulevard) as shown here:
http://www.stirlingcitycentre.com.au/assets/images/_resampled/resizedimage554600-PPP0255SK040DStructure-Plan-NO-AERIAL-02.jpg

There are some cross sections of the proposed/possible light rail in this transport overview from the Stirling City Centre site (I had some better ones, but I can't find them on my system now):
Stirling City Centre Transport Overview (http://www.stirlingcitycentre.com.au/assets/Uploads/RPTTransport-Overview1.pdf)

Parts of this plan here are impossible to continue with. For example IKEA. Now consumes some of the red dotted connecting roads. However some parts of Stephenson Av are still possible. I would believe that finishing most of the northern part of Stephenson Av should be put higher priority over the proposed light rail network. Traffic is a real mess around this area. However it doesn’t necessarily mean there are more cars on the road, but there is more people living in the same area that was original consist of original houses not triplexes and high unit density which most of the Innaloo and Scab area has now become.

All of Stephensen Ave shown there wouldn't be overly difficult - and remember this is a long-term plan/proposal, so IKEA would at some point be demolished...

Pardon the French - but fuck monorails.

Where is Jarkti, Bart swore! Was it the Springfield experience?

They provide a visual barrier being raised and look ugly. And look what happened in North Haverbrook, Ogdenville and Brockway when they built one.

Monorail = tourist trap, not a serious transport solution.

All of Stephensen Ave shown there wouldn't be overly difficult - and remember this is a long-term plan/proposal, so IKEA would at some point be demolished...

where would IKEA go? Somewhere on a bigger block like near Jandakot where they can get sunday trading as didn't that area like was exempt from WA's tight trading hours policy (Jandakot being federal land)..

IMO where IKEA is now should have not being built, it's too close to a major train station ripe for a TOD or grand development area; so it won't belong there in years to come.... but where it is now is good for the short term as it's got easy access to the freeway from most directions...

all in all, i doubt ikea would ever leave that spot. It's like expensive to build as it is, and the condition of the bldg is almost still like new... maybe a second ikea could be built else where though in the next decade and this one will go?

Given that the airport is federal land and exempt from trading hour restrictions, I wonder why we haven't seen either Coles or Woolies consider building there as a way to thumb their nose at IGA, Farmer Jacks, the shop workers union, the church and the other groups so opposed to extended trading.

I guess though it wouldn't get the business to make it pay off (unlike say perth CBD where they DO get the business on Sunday afternoon to make it work)

IKEA is a brand new complex i doubt there will be any new shift plans, maybe in a few decades.

Trading hours are really shitting me off. Osborne Park / Innaloo in my opinion is the best shopping area in the state, from the Scab bc road strip to the Westfield Shopping center. It should be made a tourist precinct just for the sake of getting the bloody shops open on Sundays.

Where IKEA moves is not really the concern of the SSC, more that they will... their land will eventually and hopefully become too valuable to remain as it is, allowing IKEA to sell it off for a tidy profit. There are plenty of other sites even within Osborne Park that they could buy up or indeed other light industrial areas...

And I agree, it shouldn't have ever been given planning approval, not in that location.

Again, this is a long-term plan, I don't think IKEA will be moving for 10 to 15 years at least

By 2030 there might be high grade very high density chardonnary sipping residential there. I remember back it the 90's that use to be an old ding property there. Before Ellen Stirling Bv was in, and Oswald st use to connect to Cedric st.

Before Ellen Stirling Bv was in, and Oswald st use to connect to Cedric st.

The time that intersection was left without traffic lights was ridiculous!

I remember back it the 90's that use to be an old ding property there.

My uncle's dad to be exact!

I remember how much he didnt want to get rid of the property. That would be worth 5times as much now if it was still around. The old Macedonian market garden land property at the end of the Barnes st where it meets with Odin road was developed not so along ago. Something along the lines of 20 units was built on the original block.

hello there this is the new building in Herdsman.

its on walters drive and has a massive red crane.

7 stories in total 3 carpark office

I understand IKEA wanted to be close to a train station to enable people to access the place without having to drive. Seems a little silly since you'd generally need a car to get your shit home, but looks good on the development application maybe.

The train station is irrelevant I think. It's the fact is that it was a big piece of land, directly next to a freeway offramp. Central enough to be ''close'' to those driving both North and South of the river.

The train station is irrelevant I think. It's the fact is that it was a big piece of land, directly next to a freeway offramp. Central enough to be ''close'' to those driving both North and South of the river.

That's the key point. IKEA don't give a shit about being next to a train line. Who wants to carry a giant box of flat-pack furniture on the train.

That's another difficulty with a lot of Perth's freeway trains...being next to freeway off-ramps, car orientated industry/retail will always want to locate close to the ramps and therefore the stations.

That's the key point. IKEA don't give a shit about being next to a train line. Who wants to carry a giant box of flat-pack furniture on the train.

Some people might want the bulk of their stuff home-delivered, particularly if they've only got something like a tiny hatchback to carry it in.

Have you SEEN the obscene prices IKEA charges for home delivery?

that's what happens in perth...

shitification. Welcome to the 21st century.

Have you SEEN the obscene prices IKEA charges for home delivery?

Not in Perth, no. Then again, I didn't check the prices in Melbourne when I was there, either.

Source (http://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.au/Pages/default.aspx?ItemId=142510&)


Tue 19 July, 2011

Stirling seeks public input on its future vision
Portfolio: Planning

Planning Minister John Day has welcomed the City of Stirling’s release for public comment of the Draft Stirling City Centre Structure Plan.

Mr Day said the draft structure plan was a key step in the development of Stirling’s business district and would help boost its status as the City of Choice.

“Stirling is just 10 minutes from the heart of Perth and is a very important metropolitan business and residential centre,” he said.

“The structure plan will guide the City of Stirling’s development in line with Directions 2031, which sets out the vision and direction for Perth and Peel’s planning to 2031 and beyond.

“Directions 2031 sets a clear vision for Perth’s future with a vibrant mix of activity areas that bring amenities, employment and education to its residents.”

The Minister said Stirling City Centre Alliance - a partnership between the State Government, the Western Australian Planning Commission, City of Stirling and the local community - was co-ordinating the development of the structure plan and would eventually manage its implementation.

“The focus of the Stirling Alliance is to create a new metropolitan hub that addresses issues such as environmental enhancements, economic and employment growth; transport; and improved lifestyle in a higher density environment,” he said.

In 2010, the Government committed $5.5million over three years to the project.

The Stirling City Centre Alliance will host a Community Open Day on July 30 to inform stakeholders of the details of the structure plan.

Submissions on the draft plan can be lodged with the City of Stirling by 5pm on August 30, 2011.

The draft structure plan is available online at http://www.stirling.wa.gov.au

(looks to be a little different to above - although haven't forensically checked!)

p3 Stirling Times 19/7/11


http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/2395/stirling1.jpg

Stirling city centre plans get Government support
By LIAM CROY

WITH key transport infrastructure changes needed to make the Stirling City Centre vision possible, Transport Minister Troy Buswell has thrown his support behind the project.

Mr Buswell, who was last week briefed on the project by planners and community stakeholders, labelled it a "powerful and important vision for Perth".

The Stirling City Centre is an ambitious concept that would include 330ha of land near Stirling train station transformed into a vibrant, high-density hub.

Features of the draft plan, which was released for public comment today, include the extension of Stephenson Avenue, light rail infrastructure and an urban stream called Nookenburra Creek.

The Innaloo cinema site and a section of the Osborne Park industrial precinct would be redeveloped into medium-to-high-density residential areas, and two schools would be built to cater for an extra 20,000 residents.

Mr Buswell told the Stirling Times the plan was a realistic vision that was consistent with State Government planning principles.

"We have a very strong focus on these transit-oriented developments, and of the ones I've been briefed on, this is the easiest one to get off the ground," he said.

"This is a natural transport point of confluence... it's entirely consistent with the State's push to develop more intense use of land in areas that have transport advantages.

"The critical thing for us, from a State point of view, is to look seriously at investing in the core transport infrastructure."

Days before the plan's public release, Mr Buswell committed to developing a "package of works" for State Government consideration.

"I'll be meeting in a couple of weeks with the Director General of the Department of Planning and we'll start work on developing that package of works that Government then has to consider," he said.

Looks great, but won't the creek interfere with the ability to get activated street frontages.

from what angle is that pic looking???

Looks great, but won't the creek interfere with the ability to get activated street frontages.

the creek is the activation. they may be some shops on the other side.

the creek is the activation. they may be some shops on the other side.

The idea is to have some kind of pedestrian plaza between the developments and the creek. Kind of like that between Crown/South Bank buildings in Melbourne and the Yarra River.

Why wouldn't you put the buildings on both sides right up along the creek, and put the road behind the buildings?

Is there any reason for this?

Why wouldn't you put the buildings on both sides right up along the creek, and put the road behind the buildings?

Is there any reason for this?

The location relative to the creek.

The creek can't be 'moved' and to shift the existing road reserve would be prohibitively (billions upon billions) expensive and a logistical nightmare.

I've seen that sort of alignment in cities overseas and it actually works very well. The side of the river with no road is like a pedestrian mall with lots of cafes and shops that spill out onto the pavement while access is still maintained on the other side.

Something I am really impressed about with the render (kudos to whichever company did it) is that it has been done realistically, with exactly the type of boring business park buildings that will actually be built there. As such, I think it puts the emphasis on the ground areas and the need for a lot of green to make the area attractive. Hopefully they also show the council the 'no trees and rooftop gardens' version to show them how bad it could look if they don't plant the trees!

That is the most realistic render of any future plan I've seen yet. Not too outrageous like the Labor waterfront plan, not too abstract like the City Link plan. This is something that the man on the street can accept with his imagination - and yet is still a huge density improvement over what is there at the moment.

these big scale urban plans remind me sydney...

sydney = perth on steriods.

Work at 3 Hasler Rd is progressing well. Today the large crane was dismantled.

I don't think this has been posted on here yet. Drove past a sign for this development this afternoon that has gone up outside the site. It's on Ellen Stirling Boulevard next to Ikea.

From the website (http://www.georgiou.com.au/default.aspx?menuID=56):

Located in what will become the heart of the Stirling City Centre, this prime corner site will form a key entry statement into Perth’s most exciting high density suburban mixed use redevelopment area.

The landmark, high quality, architectural statement will reinforce the prominence of the location an set the standard for other development in the area.

Contribution to establishing a strong, activated streetscape and environmental sustainability have been driving forces informing the architectural brief.

The building comprises approximately 650sqm of ground floor retail space providing activated street frontages, podium car parking for 133 cars and four floors of 1,450sqm of NLA for a total of 5,800sqm.

Development Approval has been secured and a leasing campaign will commence in 2011.

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I think what they say in that blurb about the first development setting the standard for the area is true and really important.

Imagine if Rosalea and Princeton et al had been medium density developments. Would have been so great. All within walking distance of Cedric Street station.

An actual, real-life building in SCC? Surely not.

We could see quite a lot happen here over the next few years with all the predictions about CBD office space demand.

^^In theory, yeah. We could also see some of the recent Herdsman demand transferred here, now that the laws have changed over there.

Someone needs to be first, to get things going (and I don't mean IKEA).

6 stories is nothing special but it's enough to establish the area as somewhere a bit different to suburbia.

6 stories is perfect for that area, better than what's there currently.

Being so close to the railway station, it would have been good to see some residential mix included in this development and the height was seveal stories higher.

Being so close to the railway station, it would have been good to see some residential mix included in this development and the height was seveal stories higher.


Bingo.

I'm starting to think everyone on SSC is into suburbia/low density.

Office space/commercial does NOTHING to make a city interesting. The most boring sections of every city = where there is a predominance of office space.

Yeah and those car yards near the other train station to the north need redevelopment into mixed use residential and working areas too... I would think the WAPC have or would have pre- set the land there as special planning zones (if they ever get redeveloped)....

Car yards should be hidden... Although it is good if you have your car serviced there, it's close to PT so you needn't need to walk far. :nuts:

It's just one building. Doesn't stop anyone building an apartment building next to it.

Which car yards are those? I know of no car yards near any northern line station except Glendelough (on Scarborough Beach Road)

It has to be all the ones in Scarborough that he is talking about.

Yes there is nothing to say a residential block wont be built next to an office block, but surely many multi purpose buildings in a cluster creates a better and more vibrant community as the built environment would tend to merge better and there wouldn't be pockets/corners of underutilised space at certain times of the day.

Which car yards are those? I know of no car yards near any northern line station except Glendelough (on Scarborough Beach Road)

It has to be all the ones in Scarborough that he is talking about.

Yes you are correct. There are four car yards (Holden on the western side of the Mitchell and Toyota, Ford & Proton, Daewoo on the Eastern side of the Mitchell nearest to Glendalough Station.

Here is the location (http://www.nearmap.com/?q=yards_both_sides@-31.914253,115.823128&ll=-31.914248,115.821905&z=18&t=h&nmd=20110908)

Herdsman businesses against paid parking plan (http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/13372353/herdsman-businesses-against-paid-parking-plan/)

Paid car park plan 'cash grab' (http://stirling.inmycommunity.com.au/news-and-views/local-news/Paid-car-park-plan-cash-grab/7618803/)

Today for example I noticed new 'No Standing Road or Verge' signs erected on Jon Sanders drive south of Parkland Rd to stop the recent influx of cars parked on the verge.

I'm of the mindset that if there's room on road, an empty verge, or an empty median, a car should be able to park on it. Why are we keeping these empty spaces for otherwise?

council cars, Emergency vehicles and police?

They need to try and promote the bus that runs around there. I think theres a bus for every train that stops at Glendalough? Hopefully charging for parking will encourage some more people to take public transport in.

council cars, Emergency vehicles and police?

Intentionally trying to sound like Today Tonight? :lol:

Looks like there's been an application for 2 x 16 storey office buildings in the area between IKEA and Stirling station, as well an application for a 8 storey office builidng, and a 10 storey office builidng, plus the building already under construction.

http://daps.planning.wa.gov.au/data/Current%20DAP%20Applications/Current%20DAP%20Application.pdf

No residential :(

I would think one of these would have something to do with the EOI process to state government launched for Stirling office space..

Looks like there's been an application for 2 x 16 storey office buildings in the area between IKEA and Stirling station, as well an application for a 8 storey office builidng, and a 10 storey office builidng, plus the building already under construction.

http://daps.planning.wa.gov.au/data/Current%20DAP%20Applications/Current%20DAP%20Application.pdf

Where did you access that from?

all DAP agendas and minutes are online

http://daps.planning.wa.gov.au/default.asp

Another building looks to be going up at 18 Walters Drive.

There is also alot of earthmoving equipment working on the vacant land opposite the Scarborough Beach Rd and Hutton St intersection. This may be the long awaited new connecting road into the Herdsman precinct to alleviate congestion, although there is a courier business that still has their depot in the way.

Plans and details of multiple new office buildings in Stirling near IKEA, including 2 x 16 storey towers

http://daps.planning.wa.gov.au/download.asp?filename=bWV0cm9wb2xpdGFuIGRhcHMvbWV0cm8gbm9ydGgtd2VzdCBqZGFwL01lZXRpbmcgYWdlbmRhcyBhbmQgcGFwZXJzLzIwMTMwMTMxIC0gTWV0cm8gTm9ydGgtV2VzdCBKREFQIC0gQWdlbmRhIC0gTm8gMjEgLSBDaXR5IG9mIFN0aXJsaW5nLnBkZg

http://daps.planning.wa.gov.au/5905.asp

Geez, no residential at all. So much for TOD.

Would apartments sell here? I'd be happy to live in one if there was improved access to the train station.

Oh, and COX again.

Geez, no residential at all. So much for TOD.

Would apartments sell here? I'd be happy to live in one if there was improved access to the train station.

Oh, and COX again.

Apartments I think would definately work on the Eastern side of the train station. I guess there are no real amenities in the area right now apart from the train station.
Innaloo and the cinemas ect is still a bit of a trek.

Apartments I think would definately work on the Eastern side of the train station. I guess there are no real amenities in the area right now apart from the train station.
Innaloo and the cinemas ect is still a bit of a trek.

I know the bus is less appealing to most but its only a short ride on the circle route.

The towers are identical and really fat. Pretty ugly too. Glass boxes with a grey roof.

This whole precinct will be dead after hours when Ikea is shut and the offices are closed.

It is a disaster. None of the city centre activation aims are being achieved here except some cheap office space for the government outside the CBD.

Actually there will be one thing: The 24 hour Jetts fitness centre.

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/1305/stirlingcitycentre.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/252/stirlingcitycentre.jpg/)

I cant be bothered reading through the plans can someone tell me if these are activated at street level?

Geez, no residential at all. So much for TOD.

Would apartments sell here? I'd be happy to live in one if there was improved access to the train station.

Oh, and COX again.

156 residential units to be built on lot 222 (behind the 4 story building that is currently UC) see page 522 of that document.

But agree no where near enough and I'd happily live there as well.

This little flurry of activity has been triggered by the govt promising to occupy office space, so it's hardly surprising that we are seeing office proposals. You would think that having some of that space occupied would encourage some apartments, if there were any prepared lots left to build them on!!

They need to connect stirling station by a pedestrian plaza bridge over the freeway. In the short term at least, a new walkway bridge should be built allowing easy access to the south, also for cyclists.

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/1305/stirlingcitycentre.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/252/stirlingcitycentre.jpg/)

How horrible. Such a key site, being the closest to a TOD than you can get with a railway-in-a-freeway arrangement and they are wasting it on mugging city? Dead office precincts next to freeways are just about the worst place you could walk through at night to/from the station.

That whole area has been one failure after another, ever since they screwed up all the developments along Cedeic street between the station and Karrinyup Rd.

heck, the decision to allow the building of the big blue & yellow box in that spot wasn't exactly the best decision CoS have ever made (and I say this as a frequent visitor to said box)

If the light rail route down Scarborough Beach Road does eventuate, then apartments near Event Cinemas and so forth would be highly ideal for the area. Hell, I wouldn't mind buying or renting one around there.

This is hideous. Anyone else think it looks just like a 2013 version of the OSS building in Cannington?

heck, the decision to allow the building of the big blue & yellow box in that spot wasn't exactly the best decision CoS have ever made (and I say this as a frequent visitor to said box)

I go there all the time too, but I drive in and drive out and I contribute nothing to the surrounding streetscape or economy except for exhaust fumes. My visit is 100% within the Ikea machine.

Anything to clean that area up. It's been a dead lot for like 6 or 7 years now?

The towers are identical and really fat. Pretty ugly too. Glass boxes with a grey roof.

This whole precinct will be dead after hours when Ikea is shut and the offices are closed.

It is a disaster. None of the city centre activation aims are being achieved here except some cheap office space for the government outside the CBD.

Actually there will be one thing: The 24 hour Jetts fitness centre.

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/1305/stirlingcitycentre.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/252/stirlingcitycentre.jpg/)


This is hideous. Anyone else think it looks just like a 2013 version of the OSS building in Cannington?

:lol: Stucturally I'd prefer the OSS building in Cannington to this.

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Anything to clean that area up. It's been a dead lot for like 6 or 7 years now?


However I do agree that anything to be built here is better than nothing, (regardless of what the designed buildings may end up looking like).

Actually form and design wise the given render is better than the OSS building; as at least both sides of the street will have buildings on and not just a big box surrounded by carparking like in Cannington.

:nuts: At least it doesn't have HV powerlines running past the front door.

Fancy living next to Ikea?

Condo with Ikea views

Posted on 12 March 2013. Tags: Property, Shopping

CHRIS THOMSON

People who buy into a planned 10-storey apartment block at Innaloo will not have to travel too far to deck their apartments out with self-assemble Swedish furniture.

A City of Stirling recommendation that the pictured three buildings be approved will be considered by a government development panel on Monday afternoon.

If approved on Monday, the $55 million complex will rise on the 6543sqm, sandy block that sits across Sunray Drive from Western Australia’s one and only Ikea outlet.

The block of land, owned by Fabray Pty Ltd, is 7.9km north of the Perth CBD, and 220-metres from Stirling train station.

The big building project comprises a 10-storey apartment tower, eight-storey apartment tower, and six-storey office tower.

A 1135sqm tavern, 1451sqm shop, 5666sqm of offices, and 154 flats are included in the plans

http://www.oneperth.com.au/2013/03/12/condo-with-ikea-views/

There should be at least 500 dwellings in that land.

Meh, better than nothing or an office-only product.

10 storeys is a great catalyst, they really could have started with a much smaller scale.
This is a good start and will make taller developments not look out of place.

What is with the huge amount of land on the other side of the Fwy, around the council offices? Is that developable? I'd also like to see a string of development between the station carpark and Stirling Civic Gardens.

What is with the huge amount of land on the other side of the Fwy, around the council offices? Is that developable? I'd also like to see a string of development between the station carpark and Stirling Civic Gardens.

That whole area was such a wasted opportunity. The single storey dwellings and shops fronting Cedric street.

I know. I want to slap everyone involved.

It's the old Hertha Road landfill.

Anymore other renders out there other than the one on that ^^ site?

http://www.oneperth.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/apartment-block.jpg

SOURCE (http://www.oneperth.com.au/2013/03/12/condo-with-ikea-views/)

Will they ever knock down the crappy supa iga building and develop that? Or is that westfields land?

The Supa IGA building is owned by Westfield.
I think the best use of the site would be an expansion of the Innaloo shopping center.

The Supa IGA building is owned by Westfield.
I think the best use of the site would be an expansion of the Innaloo shopping center.

It was an enormous what the fuck moment when it was built. "Let's build a small shopping complex next to a big one. It'll have an IGA, Rivers, Centrelink, and a bunch of two dollar shops."

Seriously though, Stirling have done an awful job over the years. Scarborough Beach Rd stretching Selby St North to Odin Rd (and slightly beyond) is a disgusting mess. That area has the potential to be a desirable place to live, but there's never been any sort of cohesive plan that would tie individual developments together. Nookenburra/Anaconda/Botanica is the only development that has actually improved the area, but I assume there was minimal council involvement in the planning (correct me if I'm wrong).

They've had countless opportunities. There's still quite a bit of under-utilised land around if you consider the hire shop at the termination of Stephenson, and the western end of the group restaurants on the south side of Scarborough Beach Road. I see no reason why they'd suddenly get their act together for these sites. All the drawcards to the precinct are large plots of land that private developers have had free reign to. The sub-division of the land next to IKEA sets it up to fail in the same way as the rest of the riff-raff around there. Good fucking riddance. They can keep dreaming about their masterplan but they'll never get anywhere if they keep up this form.

And the worst part is that if the council amalgamations end up happening the way the proposals say, not only will the people in charge at CoS remain in charge, their council might get bigger and give them even MORE things to ruin.

It's the old Hertha Road landfill.

extract from submission to Infrastructure Australia..'we could clean this up for $120m!'

http://www.infrastructureaustralia.gov.au/public_submissions/published/files/366_stirlingalliance_SUB.pdf

Remediation of Contaminated Land
To encourage applied sustainability methodologies and best practice techniques, by adding value to waste rather than conventional
remediation techniques, the Hertha Road Landfill site may be remediated using phytotechnologies. Further investigations are to be
undertaken to determine the best method of remediation applicable to this site. Phytotechnology is a new branch of plant science in
which plants are used for environmental therapy to solve or reduce pollution and/or hydrological problems, and create a sustainable
vegetation cover or community preferably of native species.
Phytoremediation is a more cost effective technique and the remediation would be based on the following methodology:
• Stockpile landfill cap for re-use;
• Send landfill through an on-site barrel-washer to remove recyclables (metals) from contaminant sludge;
• Remove acid generating peat;
• Design a constructed wetland to take into account vertical flow, groundwater inflow, aeration, bentonite or similar lining, contaminant sludge
to cover wetland base and hyperaccumulating plants to take up contaminants from sludge;
• Algae photo-bioreactor to filter groundwater and discharge clean water into the wetland and the living stream; and
• Develop the existing Osborne Park Main Drain as a ‘living stream’ using water sensitive urban design principles to further treat
stormwater entering the drain.
The Remediation will require an estimated infrastructure investment of $120 million.

Interesting to see the 'Implementation Deadlock' from 1994 to 2006. You could argue it's still going :lol:

Also interesting that Stephenson Avenue between Pearson St and Scarb Bch Rd was built with Federal funding from the building cities fund in the early 1990s.

It was an enormous what the fuck moment when it was built. "Let's build a small shopping complex next to a big one. It'll have an IGA, Rivers, Centrelink, and a bunch of two dollar shops."

FAL owned the site at the time, and it was when Action was a true competitor to Coles and Woolies in WA. It was a flagship store, and there wasn't a chance in hell that they were going to get into the main shopping centre with Coles and Woolies already anchoring it, hence why it was build next door. Frustrating as hell, but obvious as to why it was done.

Also interesting that Stephenson Avenue between Pearson St and Scarb Bch Rd was built with Federal funding from the building cities fund in the early 1990s.

Kind of a typical government project -- a road to nowhere. Though perhaps I'm being a bit harsh, it does take some strain of Leige.

Well Main Roads weren't interested in it at all so Council did what they could with Federal funding. A bit like Hepburn Avenue being extended from Alexander Drive eastwards...

Good people.

Greetings. Its been 5 years since i've posted on this wonderful site, and a lot has happened to our great city in that time. Wonderful developments talked about are now being realised, whilst some developments are yet to be realised and still being talked about...lol. But one has to admit, Perth has come a long way. And in the same breath, i acknowledge it still has a long way to go. But the future looks very promising.

I live in Scarborough, and have done for the last 15 years. I love it here. I've long been an advocate of its beach precinct redevelopment, and i've followed it since i moved here and i've heard all the stories. Finally something is being done, however that is a topic for a different thread. But even more exciting i think is the Stirling Centre Redevelopment. These things take time (don't we all know it) but finally i see traction. The train station/IKEA precinct is the start of what will be a wonderful city centre. In my mind i liken what it will become to Bondi Junction in Sydney. Vibrant, tall, and amazing!

We all hope for the best, but believe me, once Ellen Stirling Boulevard is complete, the Westfield shopping centre is rebuilt/revamped, the whole road structure sorted out, light rail installed, the cinema redeveloped, and all land allocated, sold and developed, this area will be unrecognisable. It's really exciting, and although it requires (lots of) patience, this area in 20 years time (maybe sooner) will be second to none in Perth.

So we all have criticism about the development proposals around Ikea it seems? Yes, there should be lots of residential really close to the train station, i agree. But with every development that proceeds, confidence in the area grows, and a lot more land will become available along the canal (at present a creek) parallel to Ellen Stirling Boulevard, so in time, the residential towers will go up. But quality public space, office and commercial is needed too, so lets not diss what is happening now, for these structures are laying the foundations for the Stirling of the future.

I was very excited and somewhat amazed to read what has already recently been approved for the area. The Stirling Times covered it with a front page headline last week. To date (and to my knowledge), four developments have been approved so far for the area between Ikea, the train station, and the Cedric St/Ellen Stirling intersection. The smallest is a modest 8 storeys, the tallest is 16 stories....a whopping 40,000+sqm of office space. Wow. Not bad!! And this is just the start!

1. No.1 Tassels Place. Work has already commenced on an 8 storey 8000sqm commercial building.
2. No.1 Sunray Dve. Mixed use development comprising of a number of buildings 8 to 10 storeys in height including a tavern and 154 dwellings.
3. No.7 Sunray Dve. 10 storey commercial building with 14,600sqm of office space,
and the jewel in the crown so far...
4. No.3 Tassels Place. A 16 storey commercial building with two child care centres and 43,500sqm of office space!!! The Department of Commerce has already committed to approximately 30,000sqm of this space and is planned to move in before 2018!

So dudes, shit is happening. Good shit. I'm excited and i will try to keep this site informed. The mixed development (#1 Sunray Dve) shown on previous posts is wonderful and will be an important part of the area. The area won't be dead at night, and rest assured more residential will come.

http://www.stirlingcitycentre.com.au/

http://youtu.be/y4-0P1Gq5k4 (City of Stirling produced You Tube video)

https://www.mainroads.wa.gov.au/BUILDINGROADS/PROJECTS/URBANPROJECTS/Pages/stirling.aspx

http://www.stirling.wa.gov.au/Resident/Planning-and-development/Projects/Pages/Stirling-City-Centre.aspx

I saw that development at 3 Tassels Place (2*16 levels) in the upcoming DAP list.

Anyone seen renders?

Fantastic to read someone really positive about what is happening in Perth (Stirling) InMyTree. I agree that this area will be fantastic once up and running and be a real alternative to the Perth CBD. I look forward to reading updates as they happen from you. Love your work InMyTree.

Love the power of Google :). I think this one is for No.1 Tassels Place

http://images.domain.com.au/img/2012712/0/4acdeae0-c3d3-494c-9522-28c5e81be750_FS.jpg?mod=090716-124100

There's renders of the 16 st proposal in the 31st Jan agenda's here http://daps.planning.wa.gov.au/5905.asp

I understand the applicaiton was already approved, however it's in the DAP list as in SAT, so they must not have liked some of the conditions or something.

There's renders of the 16 st proposal in the 31st Jan agenda's here http://daps.planning.wa.gov.au/5905.asp

I understand the applicaiton was already approved, however it's in the DAP list as in SAT, so they must not have liked some of the conditions or something.

Which pdf on the page has the actual renders in it?

The agenda listed for the 31st of January 2013. It's 60mb+

Also some pics here http://www.ascotcapital.com.au/portfolio/22-stirling-cross.html

Nice work with the links guys. I especially like the Stirling Cross graphics. Awesome. The density in this small pocket of land is gonna be kinda mindblowing! The precinct will stick out like nobodies business, i think it is wonderful.

Not sure if satire...

This does look really good and I hope that the restaurants, cafes etc wil stay open into the evening or this area will become dead at night. I think I am right in thinking that there are no residential units in any of the 4 buildings in this precinct.

Lot 222 is resi

Unless they fast track the southern end development of the Stirling station with the land-bridge, I can't see the area having much vibrancy. It may be directly next to the train station, but the walk to get to the platforms from the west is ridiculous.

I suggest an additional pedestrian bridge immediately west of the platforms as soon as possible, before these buildings open.

Its a joke.

Scraperfan. Have you seen what people do right now? They cut a diagonal across the yellow sand paddock and walk up a trail they have carved out of the hill (to the station). And the area is also being used as a free car park for people who are using public transport. People are resilient, and they find a way. In saying that, you're absolutely right in a way. The area won't have a lot of vibrancy until those four sites are developed. Except for the queue of people at the start and finish of the day commuting to and from the their workplace at #1 Tassels Place (the first development to be completed), with the other sites to follow. But once that residential goes in and the restaurants and tavern etc open it will get busy. The area is crying out for more quality food options. That little strip of food outlets on Scarborough Beach Road beside the cinema are always jam packed. Its amazing. And traffic in the area is already a nightmare, especially at peak hour and on Saturdays...really bad, really frustrating. Something will need to be done there. If anything, this will expedite the Stephenson Ave extension through to the freeway and on to Cedric St, which is a much needed road to alleviate pressure on Cedric St west. For a bit of critical mass in the suburbs i think this will be pretty impressive once its all up and running. Especially for me, i live 5 minutes away : )

If Stephenson Ave connects to the freeway you can kiss goodbye any dreams of a main street environment. Actually, that's already gone with their proposed 6+lane cross section

At the same time, if Stephenson connects to the freeway I'd expect less people travelling up Ellen Stirling Bvd to get on at Cedric. The whole area is such a mess though. I have zero optimism for this.

Ikea should never have been allowed to build there.

People go to Ikea and then GTFO.

Evidence for this is for the shops closing down in the "activated" commercial spaces fringing the Ikea car park. Its also a waste of prime train station adjacent land. People who go to Ikea need their cars to transport their purchases, its not like you're going to get a flatpack home on the train.

its not like you're going to get a flatpack home on the train.

have done numerous times before and will do again
obviously it doesn't work if you're taking a whole lounge setting but I've had no trouble lugging stuff like coffee tables and small wardrobes home on public transport

Why, just the other day I took a china hutch and a Bauhaus credenza home on the 401 bus...

Whilst I can't carry big furniture home on the bus, there are plenty of times I have been to IKEA and bought smaller items to carry on the bus. Or to look for something that I will later get someone with a car to help me carry home.

There's also the cafeteria, that can be accessed by train.

There's also the cafeteria, that can be accessed by train.

Im sure most people go just for the restaurant these days....mind you for the $$ its not a bad feed.

Ikea should never have been allowed to build there.

People go to Ikea and then GTFO.

Evidence for this is for the shops closing down in the "activated" commercial spaces fringing the Ikea car park. Its also a waste of prime train station adjacent land. People who go to Ikea need their cars to transport their purchases, its not like you're going to get a flatpack home on the train.

I agree IKEA shouldn't be there, however without IKEA nobody would go there ever. IKEA is not the sort of land use that lends itself to multi-purpose trips and hanging around afterwards anyway

have done numerous times before and will do again
obviously it doesn't work if you're taking a whole lounge setting but I've had no trouble lugging stuff like coffee tables and small wardrobes home on public transport

You must be more of a tight arse than me - a cab from IKEA is pretty cheap to most of Vincent

Ikea should never have been allowed to build there.

People go to Ikea and then GTFO.

Evidence for this is for the shops closing down in the "activated" commercial spaces fringing the Ikea car park. Its also a waste of prime train station adjacent land. People who go to Ikea need their cars to transport their purchases, its not like you're going to get a flatpack home on the train.

Not sure I totally agree they shouldn't have been allowed to build there. I fully agree with your logic, but it hinges on the fact Stirling can actually deliver anything else good. Based on some of what we've seen of the adjacent sites, it's just going to be similarly lifeless GTFO type buildings. Does anyone know what the plans are for the thin strip of grass in front of those horrific houses on the west side of Ellen Stirling Boulevard after the redundant shopping centre?

Why, just the other day I took a china hutch and a Bauhaus credenza home on the 401 bus...

RIP, sweet prince.

Dudes. Think of Ikea as an extension of Osborne Park. Of course nobody is gonna get on the train with a bunch of Ikea hoiked over their shoulder, that's why you drive your car there. But what about the 50,000+ sqm of office space coming on line, and the 200 odd apartments? And this is just the start. I saw something recently and i can't remember where but the Stirling Masterplan quotes ultimately over 300,000sqm of office space and a very large residential population (5000? something like that). I understand the pessimism that exists at this point in time because i have been sceptical for years, but i've changed my mind and this will work. I live in the area and i don't know where they come from but people flock to this area of Perth. Innaloo/Scarborough Beach Road is busy. VERY BUSY. The place is crying out for more shops and restaurants...and dense residential. There will be more than just all this when its done, and i probably won't be visiting these pages by the time its all finished, but it will get done. So you can be sceptical if you want, i really don't care, but we're all switched on enough to know that Perth's population is growing, and fast. Sooner or later the sheer population will demand these dense areas of activity. 3.5 million people by 2031? In my opinion this is an understated figure. Our whole city is gonna be different, bigger, better. But get used to more traffic and a longer commute. What is happening now is for our kids, and their kids. God, close your eyes and try to imagine Perth in 50 years. Its a mindblowing thought. We won't recognise the place : ) My advice, have faith! But hey, what do i know? lol

Dudes. Think of Ikea as an extension of Osborne Park. Of course nobody is gonna get on the train with a bunch of Ikea hoiked over their shoulder, that's why you drive your car there. But what about the 50,000+ sqm of office space coming on line, and the 200 odd apartments? And this is just the start. I saw something recently and i can't remember where but the Stirling Masterplan quotes ultimately over 300,000sqm of office space and a very large residential population (5000? something like that). I understand the pessimism that exists at this point in time because i have been sceptical for years, but i've changed my mind and this will work. I live in the area and i don't know where they come from but people flock to this area of Perth. Innaloo/Scarborough Beach Road is busy. VERY BUSY. The place is crying out for more shops and restaurants...and dense residential. There will be more than just all this when its done, and i probably won't be visiting these pages by the time its all finished, but it will get done. So you can be sceptical if you want, i really don't care, but we're all switched on enough to know that Perth's population is growing, and fast. Sooner or later the sheer population will demand these dense areas of activity. 3.5 million people by 2031? In my opinion this is an understated figure. Our whole city is gonna be different, bigger, better. But get used to more traffic and a longer commute. What is happening now is for our kids, and their kids. God, close your eyes and try to imagine Perth in 50 years. Its a mindblowing thought. We won't recognise the place : ) My advice, have faith! But hey, what do i know? lol

I'm one of the people you speak of that flocks to the area. I think the reason it's so popular is that (until recently with Claremont Quarter) it's the first decent sized cinema complex and shopping centre north of the river and west of the city. The affluent suburbs just don't have the same options, and Innaloo is the closest suburban area with good road access, plenty of parking, and a relatively tame collection of bogans.

I think we can all see the potential in Stirling. There's tonnes of free space, it's close to the city, freeway, and trainline. And mostly there already exists a strong core of businesses that draw people to the area (as above).

The skepticism is that none of this is new. None of the redevelopments have done much to enhance the streetscape. The plans are based on a number of massive unfunded hypotheticals like new freeway entries and exits, light rail, reclaiming the land from the Herdsman Lake run-off. The area next to IKEA is what we're currently focusing on, and although it seems like some of the numbers are enticing, once again we're seeing the types of developments that are unsuitable to really develop that street-level environment the area needs to take that next step.

Ikea should never have been allowed to build there.

People go to Ikea and then GTFO.

Evidence for this is for the shops closing down in the "activated" commercial spaces fringing the Ikea car park. Its also a waste of prime train station adjacent land. People who go to Ikea need their cars to transport their purchases, its not like you're going to get a flatpack home on the train.

I've taken the train to that Ikea more than I've driven. Of course it depends on what I had been going for though.

Well I stand corrected on the train journey to Ikea stance!

This only confirms how much a better pedestrian link from Stirling Station to the precinct is needed. Hell, Ikea could pay for or co-contribute to it if approached.

A pedestrian link really is needed. It's stupid how hard it is to walk down there when the sites back on to the station.

It is a ridiculous setup.

Although the train line in the centre of the freeway is great for not carving up the suburbs, the downside is not properly activating the stations. They are like isolated islands.

Pedestrian access through additional bridges over the freeway lanes and integration of almost every freeway station with its surrounds would be a great city building project.

It won't happen though. The next step will be multi-storey carparks, which I also think should have an apartments element on each, but again that won't happen.

I like the idea of apartments atop multi storey carparks around the train station. This would soften the look of sprawling carparks give some interest to the Stirling skyline and help to add some vibrancy to the area. Of course we would need to see eateries and some retail shops in close proximity to the apartment/carpark blocks.

Careful, you may end up with a long and wordy response from KFC as to why such an outcome is a disaster.

Careful, you may end up with a long and wordy response from KFC as to why such an outcome is a disaster.

STOP GANGING UP ON ME

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx2otxJNh01r0jd3uo1_500.gif

Or even better, multi storey carparks built in basements bellow the street level with active ground level tenentcies and affordable apartments above.

You only need to look at that god awful thing built down near Herdsman lake to see how bad above ground multi storey carparks with an office building on top looks.

Project like this please.

http://www.archdaily.com/59266/1111-lincoln-road-herzog-de-meuron/

At around $220 000 per parking space I doubt we'll be seeing something like that in Stirling any time soon.

Stirling should really not have any parking at the station at all within 10 years. Park and ride should be completely at dedicated park and ride stations along the line - i.e. Edgewater, Whitfords, Greenwood, Gwelup - and the other stations built up as PT priority

Three more carparks are currently being constructed on Hasler Rd and Parkland Rd. Paid parking to be next.

The new building on Ellen Stirling Blvd is almost topped out. Its made a huge impact already, I'm feeling more positive about the precinct now that I have a sense of scale.

Project like this please.

http://www.archdaily.com/59266/1111-lincoln-road-herzog-de-meuron/

that carpark looks like it can only exist in a place (not australia) where personal responsibility is at optimum...

i can see a tonne of lawsuits when shazza drives her SUV off tha building... "but they didn't have safety rails! OmG!!!!@(*%&%)@*$"

Steel rope is pretty strong.