FIBA EuroBasket 2013 Bids [Archive]

stefrm

October 13th, 2009, 06:26 PM

Italy have announced they will not seek one of the four wild cards for next year's FIBA World Championship but will attempt to win the right to stage EuroBasket 2013.

The Italians, who earlier this year lost to Spain in their bid to host the 2014 FIBA World Championship, last held the EuroBasket in 1991.

An Italian Basketball Federation (FIP) statement said: "The federation council has decided not to request of FIBA a wild card in order to take part in the 2010 FIBA World Championship in Turkey.

"The federal council has decided to continue with the will for Italy to organize the 2013 EuroBasket.
"Among the other hypothetical competitors are Greece, Germany, Croatia and Slovenia.

"The last two could present a joint candidature."

The Azzurri received one of the four wild cards to play at the FIBA World Championship in Japan three years ago when the tournament was expanded to 24 teams but they have fallen on hard times since, failing to reach the Quarter-Finals of EuroBasket 2007 and then missing out all together on this summer's EuroBasket in Poland.

Italy came in third last year in their Division A, Group A campaign behind Serbia and Bulgaria, and then ended up losing out to France in Group B of the Additional Qualifying Round for EuroBasket 2009.

The French won the six-team AQR to advance to the Final Round and then claimed a fifth-place finish to earn a spot in next year's big event in Turkey.

The FIBA Central Board will meet in December in Geneva and announce which countries are to receive the four wild cards for Turkey.

Italy international Stefano Mancinelli, meanwhile, has been slapped with a two-game ban by the FIP for his role in the fight that occurred at the end of a friendly against Canada several days before the start of the Additional Qualifying Round for the EuroBasket.

Players from both teams left the benches and ran onto the court though calm was eventually restored.

sali_haci

December 29th, 2009, 01:06 AM

Greece is a good choise...
I want it in Turkey, but after WC 2010 maybe the best choise is Greece..

Livno80101

December 29th, 2009, 01:13 AM

Greece is a good choise...
I want it in Turkey, but after WC 2010 maybe the best choise is Greece..

no Greece, they already hosted EuroBasket...Croatia or Slovenia should get it, they are young countries, but with good basketball tradition, both are qualified to Turkey 2010, good arenas, especially in Croatia (Zagreb Arena, Spaladium Arena in Split, Gradski Vrt in Osijek, some new planned), and Slovenia is planning to build new arenas... so my vote goes to those two countries, first Croatia as I am Croat...

ReiAyanami

December 29th, 2009, 11:07 AM

Greece hosted it last time in 1995

kerouac1848

December 29th, 2009, 06:52 PM

If Britain bids for Eurobasket and get it, I will never again watch any EuroBasket, because it would be unfair to Croatia and Slovenia because they never hosted any bigger basketball competition, and they are basketball nations, and Britain is not, for sure not. Also, I think that Bosnia could bid for Eurobasket, there are some rumors and there are enough arenas with at least 5k capacity:

I agree with you that it is wrong to do that in any sport, one of the reasons why the US shouldn't have gotten the WC in 1994. However, don't confuse basketball as a minor sport to being non-existent in the UK. The grassroots are strong (most played sport for U-18s after football), but that cannot be turned into spectator capital as of now. Poor organisation and the collapse of a television outlet 10 years ago (ITV Digital, who the league had just signed a TV contract worth £21 million with) have massively stunted its development.

Sylver

December 29th, 2009, 07:04 PM

Greece, Croatia, or Slovenia are the only countries that actually deserve to host it.

JYDA

December 29th, 2009, 08:21 PM

I don't think anybody needs to worry about FIBA giving Britain the Eurobasket as a favour to help grow the game. Considering FIBA's dirty tactics of trying to keep Britain's basketball team out of their own Olympic tournament, it's clear FIBA doesn't care about growing the game there at all!

kerouac1848

December 29th, 2009, 11:01 PM

bigbossman

December 30th, 2009, 12:12 AM

kerouac1848

December 30th, 2009, 12:51 AM

FIFA help? FIFA are forced to give tournaments to non European nations because they hold the majority (politics), no doubt FIFA would keep the world cup in Europe if they could. The only countries FIFA are really interested in are those that can raise the value of their TV and Sponsorship revenue (where their money comes from). That's why they look at the USA as a juicy piece of meat!

lol, yh in retrospect perhaps FIFA wasn't a great example! I just mean in some of the assistance they give to smaller nation's FAs, although it really is peanuts. And totally agree about FIFA and money. Apparently, Blatter wrote to the Chinese FA (or equivalent) practically begging them to bid for either the 2018 or 2022 WCs. Clown.

FIBA don't see the UK as lucrative basketball territory, and i'd agree it may get played but I don't think it has a hope in hell. It's in a position where i'd assume football was in the states before the NASL exploded. FIBA needs to see something which well show them that there efforts wouldn't be wasted just like FIFA apparently saw in handing the USA the 1994 world cup.

And I don't see it, in many ways the NBA does more harm to growing the game in the UK than good.

What do you mean doesn't have a hope in hell? The Olympic team? Sorry man, a bit confused here! Basketball was bigger in terms of spectatorship during the 90s when I was a teenager then it is now. Then you had the NBA on ITV (NBA Jam i think, on Saturdays) before moving to Channel 4 which produced good programmes. At the same time you had Sky showing BBL games for a number of years and I certainly heard a lot more about the defunct London Towers than whoever is the London team now! Crowds were supposedly bigger too. Something very similar happened in Australia with their league, which is at a lower ebb than during the 90s.

Agree about the NBA; it dominates here on a spectator level. Worryingly, the NBA is probably the BBF's most supportive international partner (they supposedly lobbied for the GB team to get a wildcard place next year), although we all know that is for their own commercial interests. Basketball here has been woefully organised. Until recently, it was developed and controlled by a mish-mash hybrid of the 4 home nation’s bodies, several different leagues of which one was pro and the UK Sports Council, the latter who actually oversaw general development and organised funding. Only recently has there been some kind of central structure and strategy worthy of the name (in a relative sense). You see in football countries like Brazil how important good organisation between authorities is.

JYDA

December 30th, 2009, 01:36 AM

^^LOL.

Tbh I would be amazed if that actually happened. It's pretty much taken as a given here that there will be a men's and women's GB basketball team at 2012, and that is very much the focal point of the BBF's short term strategy (5 years form 2008). Their minimum aim is a QF position. Missing out on wildcard for the 2010 Championship was a bit of a blow, but, tbh, would have been a bonus anyway.

I would be amazed if it happened as well but it's still something to be concerned about. FIBA said the Brits have to qualify for a Eurobasket to be allowed into the Olympics. They achieved that and then FIBA moved the goalposts to vaguely say "you have to show you're competitive". Even after a decent showing in Poland (without some of their best players) the British federation keeps asking FIBA "are we in?" and FIBA is giving nothing but silence. I think the Brits will get a spot in the end but FIBA's actions have been nothing short of disgraceful

kerouac1848

December 30th, 2009, 03:38 PM

Yeah it is a bit of joke to say the least. Not quite sure what they're playing at. I don't think they like the encroachment of the NBA, who are almost using the UK and London as some kind of European launch pad. But they're hardly bothering to counter.
Btw, I was laughing at what you wrote because I found it funny, not because I thought it was a load of crap! (just in case there is a mix-up – never know on here! ;))

bigbossman

December 30th, 2009, 06:22 PM

lol, yh in retrospect perhaps FIFA wasn't a great example! I just mean in some of the assistance they give to smaller nation's FAs, although it really is peanuts. And totally agree about FIFA and money. Apparently, Blatter wrote to the Chinese FA (or equivalent) practically begging them to bid for either the 2018 or 2022 WCs. Clown.

it's weird in the 1990s they "tried" to "fight" the money coming into the game, now they are getting fat off it!

What do you mean doesn't have a hope in hell? The Olympic team?

I mean the sport getting popular, or popular enough for the newspapers to cover it. They barely cover anything except football.

It's popular in London (with a small p), but I just think it's because a lot of kids think it's cool rather than other factors. By that I mean there the same kids who wear doorags and think Soulja boy is the second coming! Basketball has one thing that football hasn't it's stars are "cooler". I mean who's the coolest footballer, Rio Ferdinand LMAO...

Sorry man, a bit confused here! Basketball was bigger in terms of spectatorship during the 90s when I was a teenager then it is now.

Then you had the NBA on ITV (NBA Jam i think, on Saturdays) before moving to Channel 4 which produced good programmes.

At the same time you had Sky showing BBL games for a number of years and I certainly heard a lot more about the defunct London Towers than whoever is the London team now!

I remember it being big in the early 1990s. I remember the summer youth club I used to go to took us to a London Towers game, think it was at crystal palace, we always used to go to crystal palace. MIght've been the old london arena actually...

I have vague recollection of that I do remember them showing highlights of the NBA finals between the lakers and iversons 76ers... it seems that teh NBA was the NFL of the 1990s. Channel 4 were/are the governments niche channel.

Is there actually a London team now? I seem to recall it even being covered by London Tonight, more in one of their human interest pieces than as serious sport though...

Crowds were supposedly bigger too. Something very similar happened in Australia with their league, which is at a lower ebb than during the 90s.

I'd assume the innitial euphoria wore off and people lost interest. You could argue the 1990s was a sports boom not just a football boom.

Agree about the NBA; it dominates here on a spectator level. Worryingly, the NBA is probably the BBF's most supportive international partner (they supposedly lobbied for the GB team to get a wildcard place next year), although we all know that is for their own commercial interests.

And that's why I don't want them over here! I don't like any (team) sport th t puts money before sport.

Basketball here has been woefully organised. Until recently, it was developed and controlled by a mish-mash hybrid of the 4 home nation’s bodies, several different leagues of which one was pro and the UK Sports Council, the latter who actually oversaw general development and organised funding.

The way I see it is that because European Bball gets no coverage (the token stuff on Eurosport doesn't count) so most people don't know or care about it. They think the NBA is it. There is no connection with European stuff and thus no academy or developmental system that we have in other sports and that's the important factor. Kids who have "skills" have to go to the states at a young age (16) and then lose their accents. Luol Deng is the perfect example for me he'd be more of a poster boy if he'd retained his south London swagger (if he ever had it).

The other thing that hinders it for me is the countries that are good at it... I mean our natural rivals Germany, France, Australia are generally not Basketball super powers (although france has grown). I don't mean to be rude but beating Lithuania, Greece or Serbia at Basketball just doesn't capture peoples imaginations. Although beating New Zealand at rugby does hmmm.

Only recently has there been some kind of central structure and strategy worthy of the name (in a relative sense). You see in football countries like Brazil how important good organisation between authorities is.

It's because they have sports clubs though, they used the football teams to grow other sports. Like would Basketball be as big in spain if Barca and Real Madrid hadn't sponsored it, same in greece etc. Maybe if more teams took Everton's lead and branched into other sports it would grow. But then again aren't sports supposed to competiting....

JYDA

December 30th, 2009, 08:34 PM

The other thing that hinders it for me is the countries that are good at it... I mean our natural rivals Germany, France, Australia are generally not Basketball super powers (although france has grown). I don't mean to be rude but beating Lithuania, Greece or Serbia at Basketball just doesn't capture peoples imaginations. Although beating New Zealand at rugby does hmmm.

But those countries are good at it. They're all top 15 in the world and all have had some very high finishes at major tournaments in the last few years. Aside from the US, the top 20 teams in the world can all beat each other on any given day.

Lithuania, Greece and Serbia might not be that attractive but what about other good teams like Argentina, Brazil, Italy, Spain and Russia?

kerouac1848

December 30th, 2009, 09:42 PM

I mean the sport getting popular, or popular enough for the newspapers to cover it. They barely cover anything except football.

It's popular in London (with a small p), but I just think it's because a lot of kids think it's cool rather than other factors. By that I mean there the same kids who wear doorags and think Soulja boy is the second coming! Basketball has one thing that football hasn't it's stars are "cooler". I mean who's the coolest footballer, Rio Ferdinand LMAO...

Right, but I think the sport's bodies are looking at sports like athletics or swimming, for example, in terms of coverage, with perhaps something like Rugby League as the eventual goal (in terms of media interest)
It would be pointless even thinking about competing with football. In fact, it would make more sense working with football by getting PL stars to watch GB games, or doing tie ups with clubs. Btw, I think you underestimate interest at participant level. At my school, it was easily the second most popular sport to play after football, despite the place being in Hertfordshire and 90% white and 75% middle class. I use to live near Kennington Park, close to Camberwell, and basketball and football were the only facilities that were always played when I walked past (there was also tennis courts and some other stuff)

I remember it being big in the early 1990s. I remember the summer youth club I used to go to took us to a London Towers game, think it was at crystal palace, we always used to go to crystal palace. MIght've been the old london arena actually...

I have vague recollection of that I do remember them showing highlights of the NBA finals between the lakers and iversons 76ers... it seems that teh NBA was the NFL of the 1990s. Channel 4 were/are the governments niche channel.

Is there actually a London team now? I seem to recall it even being covered by London Tonight, more in one of their human interest pieces than as serious sport though...

The Towers were based at Wembley Arena for a bit, so local to me for a period. I saw one of their games. Maybe about 1500 people there. Tbh, I don't think the NBA has spent anything like the money on marketing the game here like the NFL has until very recently with the games at the 02,etc. This is the third time the NFL has tried to 'crack' the European market and I think they're wasting their time. My uncle use to play like semi-pro or something back in the late 80s in front of crowds of up 10,000 on big games (prob exaggerating! lol) and about a year ago he said the game had more interest back then. The problem is there is little to no grassroots, with the exception of a few uni boys having a laugh. Personally, I find the game incredible dull and slow and when a bunch of us tried watching the Superbowl a few years back we switch off after about 45 mins. A London franchise would still make money though and I guess that is their aim, not growing the sport.

I'd assume the innitial euphoria wore off and people lost interest. You could argue the 1990s was a sports boom not just a football boom.

Hmm, possibly, although I read that the ITV Digital collapse had a big impact because teams naturally budgeted themselves against future earnings (they paid £21 million, surprisingly. To put into context they were only getting £1 million at sky, and Cricket got around £60 million during 1998 for a 4 year deal). We saw in a strong sport like football what happened, so a small, growing league was bound to be doomed. I don't know what would have happened, but I remember reading about the Towers plan to build a 5,000 seater arena and entertainment complex in Brent X (can only find a 2002 article from the independent, but I def remember pics in a Wembley local). All this must have been based on the guarantee of that TV contract, but they had big plans.

And that's why I don't want them over here! I don't like any (team) sport th t puts money before sport.

You know my feelings about this - mutual!

The way I see it is that because European Bball gets no coverage (the token stuff on Eurosport doesn't count) so most people don't know or care about it. They think the NBA is it. There is no connection with European stuff and thus no academy or developmental system that we have in other sports and that's the important factor. Kids who have "skills" have to go to the states at a young age (16) and then lose their accents. Luol Deng is the perfect example for me he'd be more of a poster boy if he'd retained his south London swagger (if he ever had it).

The other thing that hinders it for me is the countries that are good at it... I mean our natural rivals Germany, France, Australia are generally not Basketball super powers (although france has grown). I don't mean to be rude but beating Lithuania, Greece or Serbia at Basketball just doesn't capture peoples imaginations. Although beating New Zealand at rugby does hmmm.

Yeah I agree. The approach they are taking now of focuings on the GB team and using that as the focal point makes a lot of sense. I guess you could call it the '3rd model' of building a sport; using a unique outlet (mostly likely a national team, or possibly an event) to milk as much interest and resources for the sport as a whole (the other two are the slow building grassroots model or the pump-loads-of-cash-hope-it-grows model). This basically is what cricket and Tennis do in the UK. No one gives a damn about County cricket beyond over 50s and I'd bet that the money that comes in for England dwarfs the rest. Tennis has the same with Wimbledon. Pretty much their whole revenue model is about getting as much from those 2 weeks (TV coverage, tickets, merchandise, etc) and than funnelling it down. I would bet at least 70% of the LTA's revenue is directly or indirectly linked to Wimbledon. The BBF and co are basically trying to do the same with the GB team, hoping that big NBA stars (or star) that people recognise will get bums on seats and the media interested. With the Olympics they know they'll get their 'golden' media moment. They’ll probably play the US this summer and I think they’ll see that as media opportunity. Will it work? I dunno, but it’s the right thing to do in the short term whilst they try and grow the BBL again (which I think is dependent on having a successful GB team now)

It's because they have sports clubs though, they used the football teams to grow other sports. Like would Basketball be as big in spain if Barca and Real Madrid hadn't sponsored it, same in greece etc. Maybe if more teams took Everton's lead and branched into other sports it would grow. But then again aren't sports supposed to competiting....

Exactly. They support an institution, so the basketball team is just another, smaller, face of Real or Barca. I wouldn't want to see it here, but would love to see link ups with football, for example getting English PL players down GB games to boost media interest (see the NBA games earlier this year with Henry and co). Basketball is competition with sports like Ice Hockey, RL, etc. Football is just too far ingrained for it to even worry about domestic competition tbh. It’s a monster!

bigbossman

December 30th, 2009, 09:54 PM

But those countries are good at it. They're all top 15 in the world and all have had some very high finishes at major tournaments in the last few years. Aside from the US, the top 20 teams in the world can all beat each other on any given day.

Lithuania, Greece and Serbia might not be that attractive but what about other good teams like Argentina, Brazil, Italy, Spain and Russia?

None of them are the best though, and none of them put there heart and soul into the sport (not to mentioen the height thing).

The only moderately important countries in Europe that put their heart and soul into baskeball are Lithuania, Greece and Serbia and the fact that in the case of Greece and Serbia they put even more heart and soul into football and are only as good as they are (upper mid ranks), suggests that beating them in Basketball isn't worth much (especially given they are "powers" in that sport).

Beating Germany in football and France in Rugby and Football means a lot because it's the belief that it means something, you're beating the whole of Germany/France. That's why you hear the songs "two world wars and one world cup" whenever we play Germany...

Cricket seems to survive on the ashes (beating Australia) and to a lesser extent India. And rugbys popularity is based upon the 6 nations and South Affirca. I genuinely believe people in England believe your Australias and New Zealands are far bigger than they are.

It's basically about beating our rivals at what we perceived to be their most popular sport. The USA is another natural enemy but what are the odds on us ever beating them at one of their sports? If that happens and it's not a fluke then maybe.

bigbossman

December 30th, 2009, 11:18 PM

Right, but I think the sport's bodies are looking at sports like athletics or swimming, for example, in terms of coverage, with perhaps something like Rugby League as the eventual goal (in terms of media interest)

So basically you mean get sky sports on side so they can show highlights on sky sports news, which is free to air?

It would be pointless even thinking about competing with football. In fact, it would make more sense working with football by getting PL stars to watch GB games, or doing tie ups with clubs.

Can u see that though? football owes nothing to no one and i'd doubt it would help any other sport. Personally I think it should help itself before helping others!

Btw, I think you underestimate interest at participant level. At my school, it was easily the second most popular sport to play after football, despite the place being in Hertfordshire and 90% white and 75% middle class. I use to live near Kennington Park, close to Camberwell, and basketball and football were the only facilities that were always played when I walked past (there was also tennis courts and some other stuff)

No I agree it's very popular, maybe it annoys me whenever I see kids on the bus with a basketball instead a football (although it's probably just I notice it more than it happens a lot). Maybe it's my fear that football will lose the working class if it's not careful. It's probably no doubt all irrational fear... but I just have this fear football is gonna kill itself.

I remember at school I enjoyed playing it. But it was usually enjoyed playing it in PE, every break and lunch it was football football football. Most saturdays we were down at "goals soccer centre" playing football. My school had and moderate black population (got larger every year, around 50% now) but basketball despite being more popular than say rugby or cricket was just another sport.

The Towers were based at Wembley Arena for a bit, so local to me for a period. I saw one of their games. Maybe about 1500 people there.

Should've been called the London Wanderers!

Tbh, I don't think the NBA has spent anything like the money on marketing the game here like the NFL has until very recently with the games at the 02,etc. This is the third time the NFL has tried to 'crack' the European market and I think they're wasting their time. My uncle use to play like semi-pro or something back in the late 80s in front of crowds of up 10,000 on big games (prob exaggerating! lol) and about a year ago he said the game had more interest back then. The problem is there is little to no grassroots, with the exception of a few uni boys having a laugh.

Yeah it was played at my uni, they played in the BUSA league. They all use to walk around campus in their american football gear flanked by their ugly overweight cheerleaders. Totally surreal.

I think the NFL is deluded they literally think it's such an irresistable sport that once the rest of the world sees the "product" they see they'll immediately fall in love. But no chance, firstly legally TV companies can't put in as many TV commercials as they can in the states (EU law) so half the time is spent listening to guys talking!!

Personally, I find the game incredible dull and slow and when a bunch of us tried watching the Superbowl a few years back we switch off after about 45 mins.

I enjoy the sport (not as much as a lot of others though), but when my university house had a super bowl party one of my housemates invited her brother. And they all fell asleep only me and my other housemate watched the game, says it all really.

A London franchise would still make money though and I guess that is their aim, not growing the sport.

Exactly! That's the difference between the american sporting outlook and the European!

Hmm, possibly, although I read that the ITV Digital collapse had a big impact because teams naturally budgeted themselves against future earnings (they paid £21 million, surprisingly. To put into context they were only getting £1 million at sky, and Cricket got around £60 million during 1998 for a 4 year deal). We saw in a strong sport like football what happened, so a small, growing league was bound to be doomed.

Didn't realise ITV digital were that involved. But the thing is Basketball has to prove to TV companies that it's worth investing in, just like every sport that isn't considered a national treasure.

I think when Sky collapses (c. 10 years) because of streaming it will have a knock on effect similar.

I don't know what would have happened, but I remember reading about the Towers plan to build a 5,000 seater arena and entertainment complex in Brent X (can only find a 2002 article from the independent, but I def remember pics in a Wembley local). All this must have been based on the guarantee of that TV contract, but they had big plans.

Interesting, but having one succesful franchise does not make a league... Obviously the Towers would've been part of wider plans rather than the catalyst for those plans.

You know my feelings about this - mutual!

Unfortunately, It's about the non believers though!

Yeah I agree. The approach they are taking now of focuings on the GB team and using that as the focal point makes a lot of sense. I guess you could call it the '3rd model' of building a sport; using a unique outlet (mostly likely a national team, or possibly an event) to milk as much interest and resources for the sport as a whole (the other two are the slow building grassroots model or the pump-loads-of-cash-hope-it-grows model).

This basically is what cricket and Tennis do in the UK. No one gives a damn about County cricket beyond over 50s and I'd bet that the money that comes in for England dwarfs the rest. Tennis has the same with Wimbledon. Pretty much their whole revenue model is about getting as much from those 2 weeks (TV coverage, tickets, merchandise, etc) and than funnelling it down. I would bet at least 70% of the LTA's revenue is directly or indirectly linked to Wimbledon.

Surely you need the foundations underneath for the '3rd model' to work?

TV is a the biggest threat to growing a sport in the modern world, in the past people who had been hooked to a sport through say the success of a national team would've gone to the grass roots to get their fix now they've got the NBA beamed into their living room. I think it works in Cricket and Tennis because the framework already existed.

It's in many ways like Baseball and it's minor league system using the MLB to fund the low levels of the sport which help to develop the talent that will eventually play in MLB.

If you look at the traditional national team dominated sports, rugby and cricket. Both are now seeing a massive rennaisance of the club game which one day could grow past it's international counterpart. It would take years for that to happen in basketball. Or are you saying that the club game should just be to produce players for the national team, but not worry about generating revenue itself?

The BBF and co are basically trying to do the same with the GB team, hoping that big NBA stars (or star) that people recognise will get bums on seats and the media interested.

But do people recognise Luol Deng? Or Ben Gordon, did people even know John Amaechi existed?

I dunno out of sight out of mind.

For the sport to grow here we need to produce a 6'-6'2" white pretty boy point guard with the pop star girl friend. (The David Beckham of Basketball)

With the Olympics they know they'll get their 'golden' media moment.

Will they though? Surely we have to be drawn in a group with the USA to get any coverage, just like China were. Otherwise the media will just focus on our medal hopes, and if I am not mistaken doesn't the start of the premier league coincide with the olympics or will it be pushed back that year?

They’ll probably play the US this summer and I think they’ll see that as media opportunity. Will it work? I dunno, but it’s the right thing to do in the short term whilst they try and grow the BBL again (which I think is dependent on having a successful GB team now)

tbf the only way the BBL will grow off of the national team is if the players from the national team play in the BBL. Otherwise it won't work. They need the sky sports monopoly on side too!

Exactly. They support an institution, so the basketball team is just another, smaller, face of Real or Barca. I wouldn't want to see it here, but would love to see link ups with football, for example getting English PL players down GB games to boost media interest (see the NBA games earlier this year with Henry and co).

Me neither, although I don't know how intertwined the clubs are as the other sports teams tend to have sponsored names as well.

I just don't see what benefit it is to football to link with Bball? The onus is basketball for me.

Basketball is competition with sports like Ice Hockey, RL, etc. Football is just too far ingrained for it to even worry about domestic competition tbh. It’s a monster!

Yeah I agree but I don't really want it to have it's niche in my area if you know what I mean. The other sports are equipment and space intensive, basketball isn't...

kerouac1848

December 31st, 2009, 01:04 AM

So basically you mean get sky sports on side so they can show highlights on sky sports news, which is free to air?

Yeah that is one thing, but I was thinking more about the BBC. I mean, they have a duty to use their resources beyond just audience busting programmes. That's why you get even more minor sports than basketball getting decent airtime, such as skiing, gymnastics, swimming, etc.

Can u see that though? football owes nothing to no one and i'd doubt it would help any other sport. Personally I think it should help itself before helping others!

Well, if they see a gain in it! Tbh, its up to basketball to approach football rather than the other way round. Ball is in their court, so-to-speak.

No I agree it's very popular, maybe it annoys me whenever I see kids on the bus with a basketball instead a football (although it's probably just I notice it more than it happens a lot). Maybe it's my fear that football will lose the working class if it's not careful. It's probably no doubt all irrational fear... but I just have this fear football is gonna kill itself.

I remember at school I enjoyed playing it. But it was usually enjoyed playing it in PE, every break and lunch it was football football football. Most saturdays we were down at "goals soccer centre" playing football. My school had and moderate black population (got larger every year, around 50% now) but basketball despite being more popular than say rugby or cricket was just another sport.

Lol. Well, there are alot of people who think football will kinda eat itself and even hopes it does. When the whole bullshit 39 game thing came out alot of guys just said enough is enough and I think the PL was really surprised at the huge negative backlash it got. My worry is the foreign owners who will just treat it like US sports. What the Glazers have done to Man Utd really is disgusting when you look into it, increasing prices so high that demand and supply equate, as well as the Compulsory Automatic Cup Scheme.

Should've been called the London Wanderers!
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Yeah it was played at my uni, they played in the BUSA league. They all use to walk around campus in their american football gear flanked by their ugly overweight cheerleaders. Totally surreal.

I think the NFL is deluded they literally think it's such an irresistable sport that once the rest of the world sees the "product" they see they'll immediately fall in love. But no chance, firstly legally TV companies can't put in as many TV commercials as they can in the states (EU law) so half the time is spent listening to guys talking!!

I enjoy the sport (not as much as a lot of others though), but when my university house had a super bowl party one of my housemates invited her brother. And they all fell asleep only me and my other housemate watched the game, says it all really.

Exactly! That's the difference between the american sporting outlook and the European!

LOL. Never saw that! A really good friend of my got involved, but really it was just an opportunity for him to get fitter and expand his social circle.

I guess its better than NFL Europe; what a flop that was! Tbf, I think I would enjoy playing it as I liked rugby at school, but it is just too drawn out to watch. A game that should take a little more than an hour ends up taking 3 and a half!

Didn't realise ITV digital were that involved. But the thing is Basketball has to prove to TV companies that it's worth investing in, just like every sport that isn't considered a national treasure.

I think when Sky collapses (c. 10 years) because of streaming it will have a knock on effect similar.

Interesting, but having one successful franchise does not make a league... Obviously the Towers would've been part of wider plans rather than the catalyst for those plans.

Yeah, neither did I. I dug out an old article from the Independent and it says that between 40,000 - 150,000 watched the BBL when it was on SS during the latter 90s. Considering that at the time only the biggest football matches would get close to 2 million tops on SS, I reckon that it was on bar with an average RL game. Apparently, the BBL had figures of 3-1 above audience for ice hockey, which was going through its own boom at the time.

The big problem was a classic sports one: a lack of teams owning their own home. If you're renting around, then any financial knock will probably blow you over. Look at County cricket, a lot of the clubs get less than 1,000 people for many games, yet because they own the stadiums the effect is less severe. What probably should have happened is that if the whole ITV thing was coolio, the league should have consolidated and stabilised during this decade after high (relative) growth in the 90s, using the period to fix up homes for the teams, possible league expansion and then modest growth towards the latter period.

Surely you need the foundations underneath for the '3rd model' to work?

TV is a the biggest threat to growing a sport in the modern world, in the past people who had been hooked to a sport through say the success of a national team would've gone to the grass roots to get their fix now they've got the NBA beamed into their living room. I think it works in Cricket and Tennis because the framework already existed.

It's in many ways like Baseball and it's minor league system using the MLB to fund the low levels of the sport which help to develop the talent that will eventually play in MLB.

If you look at the traditional national team dominated sports, rugby and cricket. Both are now seeing a massive rennaisance of the club game which one day could grow past it's international counterpart. It would take years for that to happen in basketball. Or are you saying that the club game should just be to produce players for the national team, but not worry about generating revenue itself?

Yeah I agree. I guess its a three way structure with the grassroots (schools, clubs, etc) at the bottom, league in the middle and national team at the top. The BBF deals with the first and last one, so their focus will be skewed towards them. I guess the foundations would be the large body of people who play the sport at grassroots level?

You're right about RU, although it will have to change its schedule a lot (too many clashes with football and playing club rugby during Intl. matches isn't helpful). Can't see it with cricket, County Champs is dead in my view. People only care about the Ashes here, there is a huge drop off after that. The only way i could see the domestic game going up is if they completely overhaul it to a 20twenty format and base the teams in our major cities, not counties, and get the Asian community involved before they are lost to football like Caribbean descendents (speaking with my own family as experience here)

But do people recognise Luol Deng? Or Ben Gordon, did people even know John Amaechi existed?

I dunno out of sight out of mind.

For the sport to grow here we need to produce a 6'-6'2" white pretty boy point guard with the pop star girl friend. (The David Beckham of Basketball)

:lol:.True, although I saw a picture of Deng in a sports shop once. I read that the NBA themselves want to turn him into some kind of British 'Jordan'. Oh dear.

Will they though? Surely we have to be drawn in a group with the USA to get any coverage, just like China were. Otherwise the media will just focus on our medal hopes, and if I am not mistaken doesn't the start of the premier league coincide with the olympics or will it be pushed back that year?

Well I dunno. You get those people who just follow the Olympics cos tis the Olympics (It is still so big here. I was working in the US during Athens and it was much more low key there) plus patriots who support anything British. It will probably needs coverage before then though via the next Eurobasket (assuming qualification) and some high profile friendly games . It is during August so you might be right, but if it is during the first 2 weeks than it probably won't.

tbf the only way the BBL will grow off of the national team is if the players from the national team play in the BBL. Otherwise it won't work. They need the sky sports monopoly on side too!

In the longer term yes. But France and German have all their NT guys in the NBA as well so. I guess were looking at basketball reaching that level over the next ten years; still minor but with media coverage and a league with legs.

Me neither, although I don't know how intertwined the clubs are as the other sports teams tend to have sponsored names as well.

I just don't see what benefit it is to football to link with Bball? The onus is basketball for me.

True

Yeah I agree but I don't really want it to have it's niche in my area if you know what I mean. The other sports are equipment and space intensive, basketball isn't...

lol, yh but it still won't up stake football. I think.

kerouac1848

December 31st, 2009, 01:30 AM

On another note, I just read about this here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Basketball_Association) and here (http://www.bbauk.com/)

Seems like it is backed by former NBA players, a bunch of sport and marketing guys and American money (has one of its offices in NYC). Never heard about it before.

bigbossman

December 31st, 2009, 02:42 AM

Yeah that is one thing, but I was thinking more about the BBC. I mean, they have a duty to use their resources beyond just audience busting programmes. That's why you get even more minor sports than basketball getting decent airtime, such as skiing, gymnastics, swimming, etc.

But it's usually after the success of a brit though isn't it. Until last years olympics I rarely remember seeing swimming on the BBC. NOw we're good at it, it's on whenever their is a big meet. I remember the same thing happened with Rowing after 2000!

Well, if they see a gain in it! Tbh, its up to basketball to approach football rather than the other way round. Ball is in their court, so-to-speak.

Exactly

Lol. Well, there are alot of people who think football will kinda eat itself and even hopes it does. When the whole bullshit 39 game thing came out alot of guys just said enough is enough and I think the PL was really surprised at the huge negative backlash it got. My worry is the foreign owners who will just treat it like US sports. What the Glazers have done to Man Utd really is disgusting when you look into it, increasing prices so high that demand and supply equate, as well as the Compulsory Automatic Cup Scheme.

Agree totally, that 39th game isn't dead apparently. Richard Scudamore is like football's antichrist!

LOL. Never saw that! A really good friend of my got involved, but really it was just an opportunity for him to get fitter and expand his social circle.

Tbf I just went out that's an easy way get drunk and appear in random facebook pictures (when it wasn't an open website) and have lots of random friend requests, then bump into random people you apparently met the nght before on campus. Always an adventure!

I guess its better than NFL Europe; what a flop that was! Tbf, I think I would enjoy playing it as I liked rugby at school, but it is just too drawn out to watch. A game that should take a little more than an hour ends up taking 3 and a half!

It's weird because I never did enjoy rugby at school because I didn;t understand it. They always used to put me out on the wing because i'm fast. But I reckon with todays knowledge of the game Icoulda been decent.

I reckon the same with you I'd enjoy playing American football only if I saw the ball every down though. None of this sitting around bollocks

Yeah, neither did I. I dug out an old article from the Independent and it says that between 40,000 - 150,000 watched the BBL when it was on SS during the latter 90s. Considering that at the time only the biggest football matches would get close to 2 million tops on SS, I reckon that it was on bar with an average RL game. Apparently, the BBL had figures of 3-1 above audience for ice hockey, which was going through its own boom at the time.

I dunno, football figures never take into account people watching it in bars, and i'd assume rugby figures too. And also rugby league is a sport very popular in the places hwere it is but they have a low population which counters that.

The big problem was a classic sports one: a lack of teams owning their own home. If you're renting around, then any financial knock will probably blow you over. Look at County cricket, a lot of the clubs get less than 1,000 people for many games, yet because they own the stadiums the effect is less severe. What probably should have happened is that if the whole ITV thing was coolio, the league should have consolidated and stabilised during this decade after high (relative) growth in the 90s, using the period to fix up homes for the teams, possible league expansion and then modest growth towards the latter period.

Yeah but what happens when it's time to expand? Expanding an arena is a lot harder than a stadium!

I just think it would've maybe done a rugby league in the towns where it's popular, but Rugby league still is dominated by football even in places like Wigan where although people don't support Wigan Athletic they support one of the manchester, Liverpool or bolton clubs.

Yeah I agree. I guess its a three way structure with the grassroots (schools, clubs, etc) at the bottom, league in the middle and national team at the top. The BBF deals with the first and last one, so their focus will be skewed towards them. I guess the foundations would be the large body of people who play the sport at grassroots level?

It's about turning participation into spectators though, that's the problem.

You're right about RU, although it will have to change its schedule a lot (too many clashes with football and playing club rugby during Intl. matches isn't helpful). Can't see it with cricket, County Champs is dead in my view. People only care about the Ashes here, there is a huge drop off after that. The only way i could see the domestic game going up is if they completely overhaul it to a 20twenty format and base the teams in our major cities, not counties, and get the Asian community involved before they are lost to football like Caribbean descendents (speaking with my own family as experience here)

I've played football with some immense asian footballers, but there families wont let them play the game seriously. Within a few generations they'll be lost to cricket too.

20/20 is all cricket has left imho, to draw the fans back.

:lol:.True, although I saw a picture of Deng in a sports shop once. I read that the NBA themselves want to turn him into some kind of British 'Jordan'. Oh dear.

haha I know there is some deng stuff on BBCs basketball page.

Well I dunno. You get those people who just follow the Olympics cos tis the Olympics (It is still so big here. I was working in the US during Athens and it was much more low key there) plus patriots who support anything British. It will probably needs coverage before then though via the next Eurobasket (assuming qualification) and some high profile friendly games . It is during August so you might be right, but if it is during the first 2 weeks than it probably won't.

Will it though, ESPNs coverage of this Eurobasket was unbelievably low key. I think BBC will focus heavily on our medal prospect sports so they are household names by 2012 and Basketball will need to feed on the crumbs.

In the longer term yes. But France and German have all their NT guys in the NBA as well so. I guess were looking at basketball reaching that level over the next ten years; still minor but with media coverage and a league with legs.

To me the only way is as you say partnerships because that's how it's worked elsewhere, but football will never help anyone else.

lol, yh but it still won't up stake football. I think.

I hope so

It only takes one estate to fall like a dominho then the other dominhos come tumbling. I sound like the americans who justified the vietnam war based upon the dominho effect.

cesco_82

February 21st, 2010, 11:56 PM

news?

Livno80101

May 20th, 2010, 02:10 AM

FIBA have announced that six countries have made their bid for Mens EuroBasket 2013. Those are:

Germany
Czech Republic
Italy
Slovenia
Croatia
Bosnia Herzegovina

Also, there are bidders for Womens EuroBasket same year:

Slovakia
France
Serbia
Belarus

more on fiba.coml (http://www.fibaeurope.com/coid_lOtic8mIHiIWVbHjHqmJa0.container_frontpage.articleMode_on.html)

If it was my decision, I would give my vote to Bosnia Herzegovina, as they never hosted, since independent country, any major senior sporting event, but I think that BiH can make that EuroBasket editon one of the best ever. Also, if Bosnia fails, I would like to see EB in Croatia.

SpicyMcHaggis

May 20th, 2010, 02:33 AM

BIH? Apart from Zenica they don't have one single hall that could host it. Široki is too small, Zetra is simply bad, Skenderija is... well... beyond bad.

Mostal hall is another story which won't change anytime soon due to the fact that half finished hall is on "no mans land" between east and west Mostar.

Croatia and Slovenia still didn't abandon mutual bid idea and i think that such bid might win it. Apart from Germany no one comes even close with standard, size and quality of arenas like those that would be in such bid.

Livno80101

May 20th, 2010, 02:52 AM

I think that 5k is minimum, and in Siroki Brijeg arena has about 5k. Zetra could be renovated, little bit expaned, also as Skenderija (which holds 7k people and is sufficient)

there is also Borik in Banja Luka, about 3k

http://www.cyberbulevar.com/upload/bl/dvorana_borik.jpg

which can and will be expanded (money is no problem, biggest mobster in Bosnia is "The Boss" of Republic of Srpska (where Banja Luka is and he, if he wanted it, can make bigger and larger arena)

and also Zenica, great new arena...

I think those arenas are enough for such an event as Eurobasket is (I dont think that bigger and better arenas were used in SCG in 2005)

but I wouldn be unhappy if Croatia wins it (as I am Croat born in Bosnia)... and yes, toughest opponent is Germany

Plevc

May 20th, 2010, 02:49 PM

I know in this days the distances are getting less important, but still with candidacy including Ljubljana (2 arenas), Maribor, Koper, Celje and possibly Novo mesto, there would be a driving distance of approx. 2 hours between 2 arenas at most.

I also think, that it's perfect for EuroBasket to have arenas wit a capacity of approx. 5-6k for group matches, and two bigger arenas (in Slovenian case Ljubljana with 8k and 12k). I guess FIBA prefers a full smaller arena to an empty bigger arena.

ReiAyanami

May 20th, 2010, 03:03 PM

And Greece looses yet another big sporting event. Even after more than a decade has pasted and Athens alone can host a Eurobasket, not only without the need of a new hall, but without the need of any upgrades what so ever.

Plevc

May 20th, 2010, 03:14 PM

First of all I think that bringing a sporting event to a single city isn't the aim of any federation (olympic games excluded), secondly I think that Greece is already organising a mass of big sporting events and I don't find it great if there are 3 countries exchanging big events. Let's face it, if that was the aim of FIBA, then all Eurobaskets could be organised exclusively in Spain, France, Greece, Germany...Let's add Italy.
That goes for Olympic games, FIFA WC, UEFA EURO as well.

SpicyMcHaggis

May 20th, 2010, 08:20 PM

I think that 5k is minimum, and in Siroki Brijeg arena has about 5k. Zetra could be renovated, little bit expaned, also as Skenderija (which holds 7k people and is sufficient)

Were you ever in those Arenas? Zetra cannot be expanded and it already was renovated. But its simply bad for any sport that's not on ice. Why do you think that Bosnia plays their games in Skenderija basically all the time? Skenderija is outdated and its not even close to Dom Sportova in Zagreb.. yet alone to some halls that would actually be in Croatian bid.

there is also Borik in Banja Luka, about 3k Borik? Be serious.. its already expanded up to the maximum and there's absolutely nothing you can do there to expand it even more.

I think those arenas are enough for such an event as Eurobasket is (I dont think that bigger and better arenas were used in SCG in 2005)
SCG Arenas were FAR better, modern and bigger. BiH bid doesn't have main arena.. like SCG had with huge Belgrade Arena.

Only hope for BiH is to build some 15k+ arena and cohost with some neighbor.

Livno80101

May 21st, 2010, 01:57 AM

OK... since you know everything, I wont be bothering to point something so clear...

SpicyMcHaggis

May 21st, 2010, 02:10 AM

OK... since you know everything, I wont be bothering to point something so clear...

What would that everything be? Facts that halls in BiH are outdated, too small and simply not good enough for tournament of this size? Oh well.. what do i know. I'm sure that all other bidders are considering abandoning their bids after they've seen BiH bid.

I see that you have problems with someone stating the obvious, so let's move on.

Livno80101

May 21st, 2010, 02:23 AM

What would that everything be? Facts that halls in BiH are outdated, too small and simply not good enough for tournament of this size? Oh well.. what do i know. I'm sure that all other bidders are considering abandoning their bids after they've seen BiH bid.

I see that you have problems with someone stating the obvious, so let's move on.

ok :)

Capital78

May 23rd, 2010, 08:20 PM

Germany and Croatia surely have the best infrastructure. Slovenia is competitive only with new Stožice arena in Ljubljana (12.500) and partly with Zlatorog arena in Celje (6000). But if Slovenia and Croatia have joined bid, we can host Eurobasket for sure.

renco

May 26th, 2010, 04:29 PM

I agree.Would be a better solution.

MiguelWawa

May 31st, 2010, 01:02 PM

Slovenia&Croatia seems very nice but tell me guys - what about this constant reconstructions of motorways in Slovenia? The traffic there easilly turns into a horror...

tom666

May 31st, 2010, 10:15 PM

... like everywhere else in Europe

nickg

June 1st, 2010, 01:46 AM

Greece, Croatia, or Slovenia are the only countries that actually deserve to host it.

the question does not concern about which country deserves it most, rather which bid is the best one, to be righteous!this must be clear to everybody here!

northern italian

June 11th, 2010, 08:06 PM

What about Italy ? we are waiting a top basketball event since the 1991 Euros :bash:

It's a shame for a country where basketball is the 2nd sport and has always been one of the top leagues in the world ...

We have yet lost the 2014 worlds for nothing against Spain :ohno:

MiguelWawa

June 17th, 2010, 09:32 AM

... like everywhere else in Europe

No, not really. Slovenia as a gate to Adriatic hardly accomodates current traffic.

PepMan

June 17th, 2010, 12:32 PM

Can Manila bid here? Manila's sports arenas have been repaired recently.

SpicyMcHaggis

June 17th, 2010, 12:35 PM

Can Manila bid here? Manila's sports arenas have been repaired recently.

Read the title..

drokg

June 18th, 2010, 11:26 AM

I think those arenas are enough for such an event as Eurobasket is (I dont think that bigger and better arenas were used in SCG in 2005)

I hope you watch NLB league,or something like that.

Our arenas are not the best,they must get better,but halls and arenas are far ahead of BiH. ;)

Beside Belgrade Arena (~20k),Spens (~11k),Millenium (~4k) which are in very good condition,i have to put out newly built Smederevo hall(3.5k) and Crystal hall in Zrenjanin (~4k) .

http://www.sming.co.rs/images/hala/hala_1.jpg

Beside these,4k Jezero in Kragujevac which is very nice and other two: Cair (6.5k) and Pionir (6.5k) which are ready for renovation. Or to be precise,in Nis the new Emparor Constantin Arena (~9k) will replace Cair.

So,tell me how can either of BiH halls come close? Only one i like is that hall in Siroki,which i saw when Radnicki played Siroki in NLB.

Others... Just like Spicy told.

As far as who will get to host... Croatia. My pick.

Greece

July 10th, 2010, 09:14 PM

I read somewhere that Greece will bid. I think it will be something like this:
Athens-Olympic Sports Hall-18,700
Athens-Helliniko Indoor Arena-14,500
Piraeus-Peace & Friendship Stadium-13,000
Thessaloniki-PAOK Arena-8,142
Larissa-Larissa Neapolis Arena-5,500
Heraklion-Heraklion Arena-5,222

Also, what will be the capacity of the new arena in Volos that will be used for the Med Games?

ReiAyanami

July 10th, 2010, 10:01 PM

Who told you this? BTW, you username could be less conspicuous.....

Greece

July 10th, 2010, 10:08 PM

I couldn't think of a new username and the one I wanted was already taken. I saw this on the forums for greeksoccer.com

ReiAyanami

July 10th, 2010, 10:21 PM

The "news" are from an obscure article in FIBA's site from 2009. I wouldn't count on that much.

SpicyMcHaggis

July 10th, 2010, 10:25 PM

Greece won't bid and Greece didn't bid. Is it so hard to read this thread a bit? :)

Greece

July 10th, 2010, 11:57 PM

I read the whole thread acually. I just didn't know if there was a deadline or something. I was so confident that Greece would bid, but all Greeks in charge of sports federations have a fear of bidding it seems, when it's just stupid that we have great venues that are never used.

toilet drama

July 22nd, 2010, 01:03 PM

Slovenian possible venues:

Ljubljana:

Športni park Stožice (12550): will be completed in August 2010

http://www.sadarvuga.com/common/picture.php?pid=1592

http://www4.slikomat.com/09/0630/jmj-stoice.jpg

Arena Zlatorog (6500)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Y8T-SqtiAhI/R_TZWl_ZHuI/AAAAAAAAC0g/r8ZKAQCuzUM/s1600/1%2B202_resize.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Celje_Dvorana_Zlatorog_003.jpg

Dvorana Tivoli (8000) will be expended

http://www.mojekarte.si/mojekarte/picture/27/5/

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/HalaTivoli-Ljubljana.JPG

Jesenice (6500) will be reconstructed in 2011

http://www4.slikomat.com/10/0722/wfd-Podmea.png

http://www4.slikomat.com/10/0722/bhk-Podmea.png

Dvorana Tabor (3800) will be accommodate to 4500 spectators

http://www.sportni-objekti-maribor.si/slike/galerije/Dvorana-Tabor_kosarka1.jpg

Dvorana Bonifika (3000) will be accommodate to 5000 spectators

http://www.mojekarte.si/mojekarte/picture/295/5/

http://www.mojekarte.si/mojekarte/picture/295/5/

Maybe will be build a new hall in Ptuj for the 5000 spectators.

Capital78

July 22nd, 2010, 03:13 PM

toliet drama

Zlatorog arena in Celje has 5154 seats, and it's impossible to increase it up to 6500. 5500 is maximum if they add seats behind the goals.

Jesenice are not in plan to organise the Championship although they will have a renovated hall.

Tabor in Maribor is probably too small. The minimum capacity should be 5000 seats, so they need extra 2000 seats. Where can they put them??? The same problem has Koper.

toilet drama

July 22nd, 2010, 03:19 PM

It's possible venues!

pop1982

July 23rd, 2010, 04:07 PM

likasz

July 23rd, 2010, 06:37 PM

Is it true that 24 NTs will particapate in the event??

Not too many?

toilet drama

August 20th, 2010, 11:11 PM

http://www.zurnal24.si/images/49/44/514944/article_main_wide.jpg?1281506471
new basketball hall in Stožice 12 550 visitors.

Livno80101

August 21st, 2010, 10:50 PM

Is it true that 24 NTs will particapate in the event??

Not too many?

Yes, that is confirmed.

Frankly, I dont know what type of virus hit UEFA and FIBAEurope. Even in more spread sport - football - it is exaggeration. And I dont know what will that Cup look like.

And for basketball... oh my Gosh. There is barely 16 good teams in Europe, and watching teams like Portugal and Bosnia and Italy:lol: is just bad for further development of that great and beautiful game. Only good thing would be having EuroBaskets in 4 year period - if stays every 2 years - that would suck big time.

So, 24 teams cup - Bosnia fails as host - as it is just too many.

Also Slovenia.

Other countries are capable to organize it, as they already had big cups hosted, in other sports.

Croatia is my favourite - never hosted it, and have maybe best facilities in Eastern Europe. And maybe it would make great thing if they and Slovenia go into organization together.

toilet drama

August 22nd, 2010, 05:41 PM

I don't thik so. Slovenia got allready 3 good arenas. One is in reconstructing. We need 6 arenas for 5000 people. Two arenas can accomodate on 5000 and one arena we will build if we'll get Eurobasket 2013.

JYDA

August 22nd, 2010, 07:50 PM

Yes, that is confirmed.

Frankly, I dont know what type of virus hit UEFA and FIBAEurope. Even in more spread sport - football - it is exaggeration. And I dont know what will that Cup look like.

And for basketball... oh my Gosh. There is barely 16 good teams in Europe, and watching teams like Portugal and Bosnia and Italy:lol: is just bad for further development of that great and beautiful game. Only good thing would be having EuroBaskets in 4 year period - if stays every 2 years - that would suck big time.

Is this sarcasm? Italy won Eurobasket 1999 and Bronze in 2003. They have many good players.

SpicyMcHaggis

August 22nd, 2010, 07:57 PM

Is this sarcasm? Italy won Eurobasket 1999 and Bronze in 2003. They have many good players.

Not to mention that their league is one of the strongest in the world..

toilet drama

August 23rd, 2010, 11:00 PM

Croatia is my favourite - never hosted it, and have maybe best facilities in Eastern Europe. And maybe it would make great thing if they and Slovenia go into organization together.

We will see, if we won't have good chance, than we'll organize EB2013 together.

Livno80101

August 26th, 2010, 12:14 AM

Is this sarcasm? Italy won Eurobasket 1999 and Bronze in 2003. They have many good players.

Yes, I am sarcastic a bit.

But they are struggling in EB2011 Qualifiers, struggle vs Finland (Finland, dude) and teams like that, their national team is low, very low, seems they are going to miss second EB in a row, and that was the reason for my sarcastic comment.

But, anyways, I am convinced they are ruining European basketball with this ridiculous format change.

And, man from Iceland is in charge of European basketball. :bow:

JYDA

August 26th, 2010, 05:25 AM

livno,

I look at it the other way. I think Italy's struggles are more a representation of increasing depth in European basketball. A lot of 2nd rate basketball countries have made big improvements. Just look at Great Britain and Belgium. The Eurobasket qualifiers have been very competitive. This wasn't the case in the past.

likasz

August 26th, 2010, 12:29 PM

^^I think it's the result that in every team can play one naturalized player.GB without Deng will not be so good.

Italy is in 100% Italian and no black players;)

JYDA

August 27th, 2010, 03:31 AM

^^I think it's the result that in every team can play one naturalized player.GB without Deng will not be so good.

Italy is in 100% Italian and no black players;)

Deng's a bad example. Deng grew up in London. He's not a mercenary. He's playing for GB because he wants to. He even supported the team at Eurobasket in person last year despite being unable to play due to injury. He's not like some of the other guys who are playing for countries they have zero ties to in exchange for a passport to help their european pro career. If you're talking about Taurean Greene of Belgium and Henry Domercant of Bosnia then fair enough.

As for your last comment, does a player have to be white to be Italian??? Is Mario Balotelli not Italian? Is Sofoklis Schortsianitis not Greek? Is the whole French basketball team not French???? These are national teams not ethnic teams.

likasz

August 27th, 2010, 02:20 PM

Deng's a bad example. Deng grew up in London. He's not a mercenary. He's playing for GB because he wants to. He even supported the team at Eurobasket in person last year despite being unable to play due to injury. He's not like some of the other guys who are playing for countries they have zero ties to in exchange for a passport to help their european pro career. If you're talking about Taurean Greene of Belgium and Henry Domercant of Bosnia then fair enough.

Okay, maybe it was not a good example but if I'm not wrong Manute Bol played for Sudanese NT.

As for your last comment, does a player have to be white to be Italian??? Is Mario Balotelli not Italian? Is Sofoklis Schortsianitis not Greek? Is the whole French basketball team not French???? These are national teams not ethnic teams.

I hope you do not think I'm a racist;)

Sofo is Greek, Boris Diaw is French and Mario Balotelli is Italian - no doubts.But most black players who play in poorer European NTs are mercenaries.Black people are usually better in basketball than whites because they are more athletic.

miran92

September 1st, 2010, 11:13 PM

Top story of the day...only Slovenia and Italy have officially declared their bids for Eurobasket 2013.

toilet drama

September 2nd, 2010, 08:52 PM

And Italy didn't qualified to eurobasket 2011. If Slovenia will go to quarter final in world championshim in Turkey, will be EB 2013 ours.

SpicyMcHaggis

September 2nd, 2010, 08:57 PM

And Italy didn't qualified to eurobasket 2011. If Slovenia will go to quarter final in world championshim in Turkey, will be EB 2013 ours.

Results don't have anything to do with this..

toilet drama

September 2nd, 2010, 09:01 PM

Who knows?

SpicyMcHaggis

September 2nd, 2010, 09:03 PM

Who knows?

FIBA?

toilet drama

September 2nd, 2010, 09:07 PM

FIBA?

No you don't understand :D Who knows what FIBA loking for. Mybe for our great spectators, or how is playing national team. This is for slovenia definitly big +

miran92

September 2nd, 2010, 11:15 PM

Results don't have anything to do with this..

Sadly, It's true.

White_horse

September 5th, 2010, 10:57 PM

Is it true that 24 NTs will particapate in the event??

Not too many?

24 teams will participate next year already, it was agreed by FIBA and Lithuanian basketball federation.

Livno80101

September 6th, 2010, 01:52 AM

Sad that Croatia decided not to bid, as we have great infrastructure. :ohno:

Hope Slovenia can get it.

MiguelWawa

September 6th, 2010, 09:19 AM

^^ Yeah, me to. FIBA should notice the constant progress of Slovenian national team + its really centric location allowing the supporters from many neighbouring countries to easily come there. But they should build at least one more new arena like the one in Ljubljana.

Kuvvaci

September 8th, 2010, 08:38 AM

wich countries are candidate for the tournement? Only slovenia?

nikolina_fan

September 8th, 2010, 12:06 PM

wich countries are candidate for the tournement? Only slovenia?

Italy and Slovenia.

Others, Croatia, Bosnia Herzegovina and Germany gave up.

Kuvvaci

September 8th, 2010, 05:32 PM

slovenia seems to have better arenas than Italy? when will we learn the result?

likasz

September 10th, 2010, 08:51 PM

What's the minimum capacity for an arena to host the final match?

Kuvvaci

September 11th, 2010, 08:43 AM

as I know 12,500. but I am not sure.

Kuvvaci

September 11th, 2010, 08:50 AM

Final arena of Eurobasket 2009 in Poland has 11,500 capacity, Spodek in Katowice.

okulaja

October 8th, 2010, 12:20 PM

Slovenia or Italy?

okulaja

October 12th, 2010, 11:41 AM

Slovenia or Italy?

http://www.facebook.com/pages/EuroBasket-2013-Slovenia-Bid/256741352098

Will737

October 12th, 2010, 11:59 AM

Qatr should bid.

SpicyMcHaggis

October 12th, 2010, 12:53 PM

Qatr should bid.

Why?

Slovenia or Italy?

Slovenia of course. Far better infrastructure.

Will737

October 12th, 2010, 01:18 PM

Why?

9 vote alreddy confimed :lol:

SpicyMcHaggis

October 12th, 2010, 01:26 PM

9 vote alreddy confimed :lol:

Ah :lol:

Why do you guys still bother with those Qatari guys? :) Can't wait till all this Fifa World Cup is over so that this subforum can return to some normality :)

Will737

October 12th, 2010, 01:37 PM

Ah :lol:

Why do you guys still bother with those Qatari guys? :) Can't wait till all this Fifa World Cup is over so that this subforum can return to some normality :)
Please, they'll be saying the result was rigged and based on race.

okulaja

October 13th, 2010, 10:59 AM

Why?

Slovenia of course. Far better infrastructure.

but slovenia is small country. what the city could take the championship?

SpicyMcHaggis

October 13th, 2010, 11:09 AM

but slovenia is small country. what the city could take the championship?

So what if its small? Its venues and infrastructure is what matters and Italian arenas/halls don't come even near Slovenian ones.

Livno80101

October 14th, 2010, 03:19 AM

Italy will get this. I dont like them, but their influence is just too big, and they must do something to stop huge fall of their national team.

MiguelWawa

October 14th, 2010, 08:59 AM

So what if its small? Its venues and infrastructure is what matters and Italian arenas/halls don't come even near Slovenian ones.

I also support Slovenia here but this is simply not true. Italy presented offer consisting of cities located in northern part of the county, one of the best developped part of Europe. Designated for the second round and final phase Torino and Milano has great arenas, great hotels and much more to offer for the visiting supporters. Of course it would be more expensive for everyone to spend one or two weeks in Italy than in Slovenia and as usual probably nobody would notice the tournament itself unless the host team plays well. I predict totally different story in Slovenia.

SpicyMcHaggis

October 14th, 2010, 11:31 AM

I also support Slovenia here but this is simply not true. Italy presented offer consisting of cities located in northern part of the county, one of the best developped part of Europe. Designated for the second round and final phase Torino and Milano has great arenas, great hotels and much more to offer for the visiting supporters. Of course it would be more expensive for everyone to spend one or two weeks in Italy than in Slovenia and as usual probably nobody would notice the tournament itself unless the host team plays well. I predict totally different story in Slovenia.

Slovenian Arenas are pretty much all brand new and on higher level than Italian. Slovenia has developed tourism industry and hotels are everywhere.

Not to mention that it would be main event in the country for that period and that it would be central point of.. everything. In Italy it would just.. blend in. I guarantee you that there wouldn't be Eurobasket feeling all over Italy like there would be in Slovenia. Also, Slovenia is close to everyone in Europe.. so no worried about getting the halls filled. Italians can't even have full halls on their own games and you expect them to go to other people's games?

Be real.. i like Italian bid as well.. just as i like their country, cities and basketball. But Slovenian bid is simply better and that's all that matters at the end.

MiguelWawa

October 14th, 2010, 11:50 AM

Slovenian Arenas are pretty much all brand new and on higher level than Italian. Slovenia has developed tourism industry and hotels are everywhere.

This is big a misunderstanding with both Slovenia and Croatia. You guys just think that your tourism industry is well developed. Maybe for most of the folks from my country - because it's not that far and it's not very expensive, the weather is great and so is the sea. But when it comes to quality of services you got a long way ahead of you if you would like to compare one day yourselves with Spain, Greece, France or even Italy. Not to mention the traffic issues on Slovenian hihgway(s)...

Not to mention that it would be main event in the country for that period and that it would be central point of.. everything. In Italy it would just.. blend in. I guarantee you that there wouldn't be Eurobasket feeling all over Italy like there would be in Slovenia. Also, Slovenia is close to everyone in Europe.. so no worried about getting the halls filled. Italians can't even have full halls on their own games and you expect them to go to other people's games?

Well, and what in your opinion I meant when I wrote "I predict totally different story in Slovenia."?

Be real.. i like Italian bid as well.. just as i like their country, cities and basketball. But Slovenian bid is simply better and that's all that matters at the end.

Well, this is like your opinion. ;) For instance I've been in 2009 to European Athletics Indoor Champs in Torino and I really would like to see one day another major sport event in this very city.

miran92

October 14th, 2010, 07:08 PM

There is some info that Italy is withdrawing from the bidding process.
Links:
-http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=sl&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.sport.it/basket/eurobasket-2013-italia-vicina-a-ritirare-la-propria-candidatura

-http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=sl&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.basketnet.net/news/136069/l_ammissione_di_dino_meneghin___stiamo_per_rinunciare_ad_ospitare_euro_2013

-http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=sl&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.iltempo.it/2010/10/12/1208440-palla_centro.shtml%3Frefresh_ce

-http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=sl&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.lastampa.it/sport/cmsSezioni/basket/201010articoli/29805girata.asp

Big Cat

October 14th, 2010, 08:07 PM

What can I say, Italy is downgrading on all fronts...

okulaja

October 14th, 2010, 10:09 PM

What can I say, Italy is downgrading on all fronts...

1. 2012 - 2016 Candidature for UEFA Euro Championship(win Ukraine & Poland; France) :ohno:
2. 2013 EuroBasket (probably Slovenia) :ohno:
3. Torino city withrew for 2010 Euroleague Final Four :ohno:
4. World Volleyball championship 2010 :)
5. 2020 Roma Olympic Games(maybe) :lol:

MiguelWawa

October 15th, 2010, 08:48 AM

What can I say, Italy is downgrading on all fronts...

It seems so. If they can't even guarantee 6M euros for FIBA in case they win...

likasz

October 15th, 2010, 02:28 PM

Berlusconi does not like basketball?

6M is not a big money for him;-)

Mr.Underground

October 15th, 2010, 11:10 PM

1. 2012 - 2016 Candidature for UEFA Euro Championship(win Ukraine & Poland; France) :ohno:
2. 2013 EuroBasket (probably Slovenia) :ohno:
3. Torino city withrew for 2010 Euroleague Final Four :ohno:
4. World Volleyball championship 2010 :)
5. 2020 Roma Olympic Games(maybe) :lol:

But Milan is the host city of Expo, after Shangai 2010...MILAN 2015.

http://i54.************/2djsd92.jpg

miran92

October 16th, 2010, 02:00 AM

It's official! Italy withdraws its candidature!

http://www.fip.it/News.asp?IDNews=3015

Google translate : http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=sl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.fip.it/News.asp%3FIDNews%3D3015

okulaja

October 16th, 2010, 09:58 AM

congratulations Slovenia

Architexture

October 16th, 2010, 06:14 PM

-Ljubljana the capital of Slovenia is the Unesco World Capital of the Book this year http://www.visitljubljana.si/en/experiences/world-book-capital/
-Maribor(second largest city) is the european city of culture 2012 http://www.maribor2012.info/en/
-Maribor is hosting the winter Universiade 2013 * http://www.maribor2013.eu/en/

...investments in infrastructure for these projects with the Sports park in Ljubljana amounts by plans to more than 460 mio euros....

and there is no doubt there will be an excellent Eurobasketball 2013 organization. It will not be the first nor the last championship of the kind Slovenia will be hosting...so chill out...

an example is the new Sports park in Northern Ljubljana...

http://www4.slikomat.com/10/1016/kqi-u52214.jpg (http://www.Slikomat.com/slika/4577667.htm)

http://www4.slikomat.com/10/1016/ej8-hala-1.jpg (http://www.Slikomat.com/slika/4577668.htm)

http://www4.slikomat.com/10/1016/cnw-40416-.jpg (http://www.Slikomat.com/slika/4577669.htm)

Architexture

October 16th, 2010, 06:31 PM

This is big a misunderstanding with both Slovenia and Croatia. You guys just think that your tourism industry is well developed. Maybe for most of the folks from my country - because it's not that far and it's not very expensive, the weather is great and so is the sea. But when it comes to quality of services you got a long way ahead of you if you would like to compare one day yourselves with Spain, Greece, France or even Italy. Not to mention the traffic issues on Slovenian hihgway(s)...

Well, and what in your opinion I meant when I wrote "I predict totally different story in Slovenia."?

Well, this is like your opinion. ;) For instance I've been in 2009 to European Athletics Indoor Champs in Torino and I really would like to see one day another major sport event in this very city.

*what traffic issues are you talking about...because I lived in Slovenia and Italy and I hope you don't want to say that the infrastructure in Italy is better because that would be a joke... in the summer when we were going from Milan to the croatian coast though of course there will be jams... because italians have feragosto...and everybody goes on vacation at the same time...how smart is that...

likasz

October 16th, 2010, 07:50 PM

So probably Slovenia will play all its matches at Stozice Arena, right?

Congratulations to Slovenia.

Architexture

October 16th, 2010, 08:07 PM

So probably Slovenia will play all its matches at Stozice Arena, right?

Congratulations to Slovenia.

Stazice Arena would be only one of the sites... there will be at least 6 other Arenas with capacity bigger than 5000 seats available till 2013 ...

- Ljubljana: new Tivoli
- Maribor: reconstructed Tabor Arena
- Celje: Arena Zlatorog
- Koper: enlarged Bonifika
- Jesenice: enlarged Podmezakla
- Novo Mesto

Capital78

October 16th, 2010, 08:07 PM

Now, I really hope Slovenia will get this Eurobasket 2013. Ljubljana (12.500) and Celje (6.000) are ready. Other arenas still have to be improved or built.

Capital78

October 16th, 2010, 08:11 PM

Architexture
Jesenice are not in plan to host games. Although they could give renovated Podmežakla.

The planned venues are:
Ljubljana (new Stožice and probably renovated Tivoli),
Maribor (renovated Tabor),
Celje (Zlatorog),
Ptuj (new arena),
Novo mesto (new arena).

okulaja

October 17th, 2010, 09:32 AM

Capital78

October 17th, 2010, 10:44 AM

Probably you meant Celje Pivovarna Laško. This is a handball team from Celje. Sponsor is Pivovarna (brewery) Laško.

okulaja

October 18th, 2010, 10:37 AM

what situation is with hotels in slovenia?

toilet drama

October 27th, 2010, 02:47 PM

Plans for new arena in Ptuj.

http://www.shrani.si/f/1/11G/4IZzjzB7/kmc-sport-.jpg

netgear67

October 28th, 2010, 06:49 PM

New arena in Ptuj, outside view.

http://www4.slikomat.com/10/1028/jvy-sport-.jpg (http://www.Slikomat.com/slika/4591686.htm)

Capacity :5000 seats

Capital78

October 28th, 2010, 07:52 PM

It seems Maribor will built a new multipurpose arena. In 2013 Maribor will organize a winter Universiade, so they will join sports plans.

peroždero

October 29th, 2010, 06:04 PM

This arena in Ptuj looks like it will be for athletics. So huge is with rectangable theater.
Koper should be hosting city too. Great hotel accomodation, only arena is a little bit too small. Maybe they dont have money? They have built 2 new stadiums this year. Jesenice could be with new Podmežakla, good hotel accomodation is in Kranjska gora, few km away. But there noone knows what basketball is.. They know only ice hockey.
Novo mesto is a town living for basketball (basketball club Krka). There will be also new arena in Velenje. They could also host it. Celje is for sure. also Ljubljana (Arena Stožice-12.500 and renovated Tivoli-8.000). In Maribor there is no venue. I also dont know how they would renovate Tabor.

okulaja

November 8th, 2010, 02:33 PM

http://www.sportosavaite.lt/index.php/Krepsinis/Lietuvoje-lankesi-2013-m.-cempionata-norintys-rengti-slovenai.html

netgear67

November 10th, 2010, 05:15 PM

Športno prireditveni center Ptuj / Sports event center Ptuj

5000 sedišč / 5000 seats

http://www4.slikomat.com/10/1110/d2n-1.jpg (http://www.Slikomat.com/slika/4606789.htm)
http://www4.slikomat.com/10/1110/zbj-2.jpg (http://www.Slikomat.com/slika/4606795.htm)
http://www4.slikomat.com/10/1110/icb-3.jpg (http://www.Slikomat.com/slika/4606798.htm)
http://www4.slikomat.com/10/1110/zch-4.jpg (http://www.Slikomat.com/slika/4606799.htm)

These images are the property of MOGG d.o.o (Uroš Černivec)
Source: MOGG d.o.o. (big tnx)

JYDA

November 10th, 2010, 10:22 PM

poorly designed^^. Seats in the corners have weird viewing angles.

netgear67

November 11th, 2010, 03:14 PM

The project-design is still incomplete.Its only 2011.

White_horse

November 19th, 2010, 07:12 AM

http://hoopsleader.com/news/slovenia-will-not-be-able-to-host-eurobasket-2013/

SpicyMcHaggis

November 19th, 2010, 10:48 AM

That article is nonsense..

MiguelWawa

November 19th, 2010, 11:59 AM

That article is nonsense..

And why is that? Italians decided not to pay and therefore not to organize EuroBasket 2013. I hope that Slovenians are not expecting any sort of discount from FIBA Europe beacause of the fact that they are the only country stilll interested. I hope that they aren't because it is not going to happen with FIBA Europe and we might be facing a massive impass with that issue...

SpicyMcHaggis

November 19th, 2010, 12:16 PM

And why is that? Italians decided not to pay and therefore not to organize EuroBasket 2013. I hope that Slovenians are not expecting any sort of discount from FIBA Europe beacause of the fact that they are the only country stilll interested. I hope that they aren't because it is not going to happen with FIBA Europe and we might be facing a massive impass with that issue...

Because nothing was decided even in Slovenia yet.. how can there be lack of money if they still didn't even discuss it? Decision should be made next week when government will have a meeting about it.

Sensationalistic text.. nothing else.

Only issue they still have to agree upon seems to be who will pay and in what amount (gov - federation) this 1st fee of 6.5 mil.

netgear67

November 19th, 2010, 04:41 PM

And why is that? Italians decided not to pay and therefore not to organize EuroBasket 2013. I hope that Slovenians are not expecting any sort of discount from FIBA Europe beacause of the fact that they are the only country stilll interested. I hope that they aren't because it is not going to happen with FIBA Europe and we might be facing a massive impass with that issue...

Im sorry,are you from Slovenia? I dont think so.
And we already get a discount...not 8 anymore,but 6.5milio€.This is still to much (eurobasket 2011 costs only 3milio€) so please....

Italy is "short" for one big arena.And that is the reason that they are not in the race any more.

likasz

November 19th, 2010, 09:30 PM

^^
Italy has 4 (as I know) arenas over 10.000 seats!

In Rome (12.000), Mediolan (12.000), Turin (12.500) and Pesaro (10.500) + many more with 5000-8000 seats in cities like Verona, Siena, Forli, Bologna, Trieste, Modena,Reggio Calabria, Ancona, Catania, Livorno...

They are old (Pala Olimpico in Turin and PalaLivorno are quite new) but still good (better than Italian stadiums;P)

But arenas are small part of success.The most important things are money and tv rights;)

FredPerry

November 20th, 2010, 12:09 AM

That is true, Italian arenas are pretty solid.

16.600 | PalaOlimpico (Torino)
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/809/internopalasportolimpic.jpg

11.200 | Mediolanum Forum (Assago - MI)
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/3489/forumassago.jpg

10.500 | PalaLottomatica / PalaEUR (Roma)
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4047/71250055.jpg

10.323 | Adriatic Arena / BPA Palas (Pesaro)
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/4048/qq0f8006.jpg

Others >7.000:

10.045 | PalaSharp (Milano)
10.000 | PalaDesio (Desio - MI)
10.000 | MazdaPalace (Torino)
9.386 | PalaVela (Torino)
8.278 | PalaMalaguti (Casalecchio di Reno - BO)
8.033 | PalaAlgida (Livorno)
7.200 | PalaOnda (Bolzano)
7.000 | PalaCalafiore/PalaPentimele (Reggio Calabria)

Top 3 of Europe if you ask me :dunno:

MiguelWawa

November 23rd, 2010, 08:36 AM

Im sorry,are you from Slovenia? I dont think so.

And what does it have to do with anything???

likasz

November 25th, 2010, 03:26 PM

My friend from Slovenia said that at 5pm they will decide if they will host the tournament or not.Their goverment gave only 1mln Euro.

miran92

November 25th, 2010, 06:54 PM

Basketball Federation of Slovenia will go on with the bid. Government will give 'directly' 1,16 mln euro. But the Federation (organizer) can get more money via ministry of sport, ministry of the economy, etc. We'll have to wait and see what will FIBA decide on 4th and 5th of december. There are also rumors that UK and Greece will be interested again if the fee will be lowered more.

miran92

November 25th, 2010, 06:57 PM

Google translate

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=sl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.rtvslo.si/sport/kosarka/vlada-eurobasket-podpira-a-daje-le-1-16-milijona-evrov/244735

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=sl&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.rtvslo.si/sport/kosarka/kzs-ne-odstopa-od-kandidature-za-ep-2013/244787

btw... Kennel Club is basketball federation :D

netgear67

November 25th, 2010, 07:41 PM

CrazySerb

November 26th, 2010, 12:32 AM

I hope so too.:cheers:

ReiAyanami

November 26th, 2010, 01:51 AM

This is ridiculous. Why should we pay such a high fee? Lithuania and Poland have paid three million euros, but we would have to pay 6.5 million euros. This is outrageous.
As for Greece ... Greece will get money from? It is in deep crisis.
As far as I know, Greece will receive 80 billion euros from other countries (384 million euros from Slovenia if I'm not mistaken). Now they would like to organize Eurobasket 2013 with money that was intended to help? So much for the great crisis of Greece.
I hope that Slovenia gets Eurboasket 2013, because it deserves.

Athens alone can organize a Eurobasket without a single euro spent. The next 3 big cities together can organize another one simultaneously. Slovenia as a whole country still lacks infrastructure and arenas to accommodate it. So why spent money to organize it there?
Not a single sentence you managed to write makes any logical sense, you neither understand what you write, or about what you write for. Stop being an imbecile.

touristas22

November 26th, 2010, 01:58 AM

^^
+1 Well said.

netgear67

November 26th, 2010, 02:30 PM

Lybian are willing to pay 30 milio€?

http://http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=sl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=sl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rtvslo.si%2Fsport%2Fkosarka%2Feurobasket-2013-vstop-libijcev-v-stozice-povecal-optimizem%2F244843%23comments&act=url

ReiAyanami, if you do not understand what I wanted to say, then, you are hopeless .In if I am imbecile, then our entire country is the same as me. In fact 99% of us think the same obout Greece and cricis and Eurboasket 2013 if they organized.
Athens alone can organize a Eurobasket without a single euro spent. What obout "entrence fee"? Please....
btw..you can call it yourself an imbecile, its not polite you know? :)

ReiAyanami

November 26th, 2010, 03:31 PM

Greece

November 27th, 2010, 03:46 AM

I think I was too polite considering you ridiculous arguments. Entrance fee? Lets laugh, how much is it, 6 million, like 1/4 the cost of an arena, you can make 2 times more from the television rights alone. If Greece proposes, then they won't include any new arenas, still a higher quality organization plus it will provide a net profit with the right advertising.

Last Eurobasket they had arenas with a couple of thousand seats only, below the 5000 mark, including a converted Velodrome. 4 out of 6 stadiums in Lithuania 2011 has less than 6k seats. Athens could host Eurobasket in 5 10k or more arenas, if there was enough motivation. I don't think it will because none will be interested. Eurobasket will again miss a chance for an upgrade.

I agree 100%!
i doubt we will get it (understandable), but we have all these over 5,000:

Athens:
Olympic Sports Hall-18,700
SEF-17,000 if you add seats around the court
Helliniko Olympic Arena-14,500
Faliro Sports Pavilion-10,000 for basketball?
Ano Liosia Arena-9,300
Peristeri Olympic Boxing Hall-8,500
Galatsi Olympic Arena-8,000 (with seats added around the court)
Olympic Velodrome-6,000 for cycling, probably around 10,000 for basketball
Helliniko Fencing Hall-5,000

Thessaloniki:
PAOK Sports Arena-8,142
Alexandrio Arena-5,200

Crete:
Heraklion Arena-5,222

Larissa:
Larissa Neapolis Arena-5,500

Also:
-4,550 in Patras (if you add seats around the court)
-4,500 in Xanthi (if you add seats around the court)
-4,000 in Athens (Peristeri)

Giorgio

November 27th, 2010, 04:06 AM

Even in the midst of crisis, Eurobasket as an event is too small time for Greece. Leave it for the developing European countries and focus on hosting FIBA WC sometime in the next 15 years.

White_horse

November 27th, 2010, 06:10 AM

Come on guys just be honest with yourself, do you really think Slovenia is able to organise this event? I dont think so. First off all Slovenia doesnt have enough arenas suitable for euro13 and secondly you need to have enough finance to organise this event. If Slovenia had to organise lets say Euro15 then it would not be any problems to prepare for that, but 2013 is just simply not enough time. Its not only lack of arenas, another issue is number of 4,5 star hotels and accomodation to guests in host cities of euro13. I really appreciate Slovenia's intentions to organise this event and I'd love to see see Eurobasket championship in such basketball country like Slovenia, but I really think they should bid for 2015. Such small european countries like Lithuania or Slovenia need more time to prepare for that. Lithuania was announced as host of Euro2011 in 2005 but we are still preparing for that and there is still long way to go to finish everything off. So guys, no offence, but i think Slovenia should drop it for now and bid it for 2015. More time you have for preparation, the better result it is in the end.

netgear67

November 27th, 2010, 07:19 AM

2013 is the perfect time for Slovenia. Why? @ReiAyanami and @Greece said arguments.
Other countries are to big. I know that we are small country, but we are basketball country, and i dont know, if you know,how do we like orginize this event.
2015.... and on its to late. France,Germany,Greece,Italy...this is imposible to compete and win.

How in the world can we compete with that?

Athens:
Olympic Sports Hall-18,700
SEF-17,000 if you add seats around the court
Helliniko Olympic Arena-14,500
Faliro Sports Pavilion-10,000 for basketball?
Ano Liosia Arena-9,300
Peristeri Olympic Boxing Hall-8,500
Galatsi Olympic Arena-8,000 (with seats added around the court)
Olympic Velodrome-6,000 for cycling, probably around 10,000 for basketball
Helliniko Fencing Hall-5,000

Now, or never.

SpicyMcHaggis

November 27th, 2010, 08:23 AM

Come on guys just be honest with yourself, do you really think Slovenia is able to organise this event?

Yes they can.

SpicyMcHaggis

November 27th, 2010, 08:24 AM

Even in the midst of crisis, Eurobasket as an event is too small time for Greece. Leave it for the developing European countries and focus on hosting FIBA WC sometime in the next 15 years.

Euro is just as big as WC in terms of organization, fan support and media support it receives. So please.. cut it.

miran92

November 27th, 2010, 01:45 PM

Its not only lack of arenas, another issue is number of 4,5 star hotels and accomodation to guests in host cities of euro13.

"FIBA evaluation committee was impressed by the Slovenian hotel facilities and infrastructure"

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=sl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.dnevnik.si/sport/kosarka/1042402673

mitjamvp

November 27th, 2010, 02:49 PM

Even in the midst of crisis, Eurobasket as an event is too small time for Greece. Leave it for the developing European countries and focus on hosting FIBA WC sometime in the next 15 years.

what do you mean by *developing european countries*?

CrazySerb

November 27th, 2010, 04:49 PM

likasz

November 27th, 2010, 09:58 PM

About the World Championship 1998 in Greece:

HOWARD FENDRICH Associated Press Writer
AP Online
08-04-1998
ATHENS, Greece (AP) _ Sparse attendance at the World Basketball Championship is hampering the sport's image.

``We are the No. 1 indoor sport, but you don't get that impression when there are 2,000 people in stadiums that seat 18,000,'' FIBA spokesman Florian Wanninger said Tuesday. ``The atmosphere in arenas is important for our image, which is why have not been too happy.''

While local organizing committee officials would not release complete attendance figures, they did acknowledge that games not involving Greece are averaging less than 2,000. Several games have had fans in the hundreds.

But it was 12 years ago, maybe the attendance would be much higher in 2013?

But personally I think that Slovenia should be the organizer because they deserve it more than other countries that had many tournaments in the past.

ReiAyanami

November 28th, 2010, 02:35 AM

That is a completely pointless post, of which I heard of for the first time. But it doesn't even matter because after Japan the WC changed so much it is completely different but the name. Back then it was only 16 teams in 2 venues, and if there was low attendance in non Greek games means that none cared to visit the competition to support their team from abroad in games considered second class compared to the European finals. If anything this shows what low esteem and support WC basketball had back then from other countries.

Your ironic remark fails even more when between now and 1998 there have been Olympic Games in Athens, which show beyond any doubt the caliber of organization and support the city can undertake that whole other countries cannot.

I have almost never been to this thread, and never said that Greece must host it, since everyone else want to go for WC. What I don't want is stupid comments and remarks the kinds of netgear67...

ps CrazySerb, if you want go to stadia.gr and see for your self

Greece

November 28th, 2010, 04:49 AM

Btw, I'd like to see photos of those Greek venues:)

Olympic Sports Hall-18,700:
http://www.esctoday.com/images/2006/olympicindoorarena2.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Interior_of_OAKA_Olympic_Indoor_Hall,_Athens.jpg/400px-Interior_of_OAKA_Olympic_Indoor_Hall,_Athens.jpg

Peace & Friendship Stadium-Up to 17,000:
http://olympiacostv.informe.com/gallery/375-2/SEF+OLYMPIAKOS.jpg

http://www.fivb.org/Photos/VB/Gallery/mog2004/Match005/Screen/MOG2004.005.TUNvsGRE.05.jpg

Helliniko Olympic Arena-14,500:
http://www.dcgreeks.com/images/athens2004/20040817_athens_2004_mbb_greece_vs_usa_warmups.jpg

http://www.travel-guide-greece.com/Greece_Pictures/Central%20Greece/Athens/576.jpg

Faliro Sports Pavilion-10,000:
http://www.olympicproperties.gr/popup_gr.asp?image=108

Ano Liossia Arena-9,300:
http://www.olympicproperties.gr/popupupload/large/liosia_07.jpg

http://www.olympicproperties.gr/popupupload/large/liosia_front_02.jpg

http://www.icehockey.gr/images/newrink.jpg

Peristeri Olympic Boxing Hall-8,500:
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/greece/athens_peristeri2.jpg

http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked-b/Library/SF39/138998.jpg

Galatsi Olympic Arena-8,000 with added seats around the court:
http://www.athenshash.com/Images/Olympic_Games_Venues/Olympic_Hall_Galatsi.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/greece/athens_galatsi2.jpg

Just check stadia.gr for the rest :). I would post them but stadia.gr isn't working for me today, so just check there. Otherwise, I'll post the rest tomorrow :)

Livno80101

November 29th, 2010, 01:27 AM

6M euros as entrance fee for that ridiculous competition is just "astonishing" decision by FIBA Europe board. No wonder that all other candidates gave up and recalled their bids. It's big financial crisis in whole world. FIBA is just sad organization. I feel sorry for them.

P.S.
Give it to Qatar or any other Gulf country eager to host international competitions. They would pay, even double of wanted ammount.

toilet drama

November 29th, 2010, 08:26 PM

Eurobasket 2013: Luksic said that Slovenia could both - Universiade and EP

Portorož has held SPORTO conference at which his views on the organization of the European Championship in 2013 made the Minister of Education and Sport Igor Luksic. The latter is inter alia stated that Slovenia can be in addition to the Old Continent Championships prepare well for the Universiade in Maribor, the same year.

Luksic believes that Slovenia is well organized two major events in 2013 (photo: kosarka.si)

The Government supports the project Eurobasket 2013

"The government supports the implementation of the Kennel Club Championships. Kennel Club is aware that this is the moment enough to stand for Parliament. We are aware that our sport is any link is too tenuous to allow it to prepare a championship without government support. Our expectations are directed to the 5th December, when the FIBA decide on the organizer of the EP. We hope for the best, it will be decided in our favor and that Slovenia will host the EP in 2013, " said Luksic.

Additional finance is still looking

Until the Executive Committee of FIBA Europe, which will be held on 4 and 5 December in Munich, the Slovenian government and SKC try again to find a positive financial solution for both sides. Prime Minister Minister will also pay on Wednesday in talks with Secretary General of FIBA Europe Narom Zanolinom. The Prime Minister will then seek to further improve the starting point for Slovenia.

SKC Government turned to the various Ministries

The government's press conference last Thursday loudly pointed out that the organization of events devoted directly to Eurobasket 2013 1,116,200 euros, while the organizers (SKC) references to a number of ministries, where they can compete in different competitions for additional resources. "Organizers can compete the ministry of economy, which has the means to promote tourism, the Ministry of Health for these services, the Ministry of the Interior for the protection, the Ministry of Education and Sports to build sports facilities, we will also help from the sports portion of the funds of the Ministry that are available to organize such events, " he said Luksic, who in the same breath adds that it is not ruled out the possibility of obtaining sponsorship funds, including those from abroad. Options should be present size.

http://kosarka.si/eurobasket-2013-luksic-zatrdil-da-ima-lahko-slovenija-oboje-univerzijado-in-ep/

yeah :D

miran92

December 1st, 2010, 07:38 PM

Google translate
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=sl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.rtvslo.si/sport/kosarka/slovenija-dosegla-dogovor-s-fiba-europe/245256

http://www.rtvslo.si/sport/kosarka/slovenija-dosegla-dogovor-s-fiba-europe/245256

Slovenia reached an agreement with FIBA Europe
Fee reduced by one million euros
1. December 2010 at 18:14
Ljubljana - Reuters / AFP
Prime Minister Borut Pahor and Minister of Education and Sport Igor Luksic as the FIBA Europe reached an agreement that Slovenia ensures that the organization will get the EP's 2013th

Director of Government Communication Darijan Košir said that both sides have reached an agreement, which was otherwise written on paper, but it will be initialed by the evening. This document serves as a basis for the decision of the government at a meeting on Thursday.

The agreement must still be confirmed
"The Prime Minister and Secretary General of FIBA Europe Nar Zanolin reached a framework agreement, which goes in a direction that both parties are satisfied and that Slovenia is on this basis, we can get the organization on Sunday the European basketball championships. This agreement must be approved on Thursday Slovenian Government and the main board on Sunday, FIBA Europe, "said Kosir.

Fee reduced by one million euros
For Radio Slovenia, Minister of Education and Sport Igor Luksic said that the two sides agreed that the fee of four million euros will be reduced to three million, the mandatory lease advertising space is worth 3.5 million euros, which will go on the shoulders of patrons .

I want that championship in Slovenia
The agreement was also pleased by the Secretary General of FIBA Europe, European Nar Zanolin who said: "The talks were very constructive. The Government has prepared an offer that will be on Sunday examined the" board "FIBA Europe. I think we track, but I'm not the one to decide about it. Personally, I would like to see it being the European Championship in Slovenia. "

http://www.talkbasket.net/news/breaking-news-fiba-and-slovenia-reach-an-agreement-for-eurobasket-2013-3894.html

Breaking News: FIBA and Slovenia reach an agreement for Eurobasket 2013

According to the latest news from Slovenia, FIBA Europe and the Slovenian government have reached an agreement that will see Slovenia hosting Eurobasket 2013.

The decision was reached in a meeting between Slovenian Prime Minister Borut Pahor and the Slovenian Minister of Education and Sports Igot Luksic. It is speculated that the 180 degrees turn of the Slovenian government regarding the financing of the tournament was a result of the public outcry in the previous days.

The agreement will be written down and ratified tomorrow. Slovenia has lowered the organising fee down to 3 million euros, from 6.5 millions it was projected to be (the price was initially set at 8 millions).

More to follow as soon when more details are known...

Yey:D