Ok, suna bine din ce zici. Chiar sunt satul de treehuggers.:puke:

Ee... am notat si investighez zilele astea.:okay:
Au cumva o ramura, ceva, si in Romania?

E nebunule, e foarte bine ca ne promoveaza la Paris, dar ce ma doare pe mine e asta: turistul vine aici si ce vede? Noroc cu natura, dar in rest... suntem cam penibili (cu niste mici exceptii de zone/orase). Nu intru acum in detalii, ca n-am asa mult timp, si oricum stii foarte bine la ce ma refer (mai ales in cazul oraselor), dar e foarte important ca mediatizarea Romaniei sa fie insotita de reforma turismului in tara, de dezvoltarea infrastructurii, de schimbarea mentalitatilor etc.

Altfel toata promovarea asta va avea un impact limitat.:(

101% de acord si daca iti amintesti discutiile anterioare, chiar sustineam ca potentialii turisti pot chiar ingropa:nuts: turismul: am venit, am vazut, never again :nuts:

Ministerul turismului insa incerca sa promoveze ceea ce exista si spera ca si infrastructura va tine pasul in anii ce urmeaza. Si deci eu privesc stirea punctual dpdv al MT

Ok, suna bine din ce zici. Chiar sunt satul de treehuggers.:puke:

Ee... am notat si investighez zilele astea.:okay:
Au cumva o ramura, ceva, si in Romania?

Sincer, nu stiu... ar fii bine!

http://europeangreens.eu/

Asta este:
http://www.partidulverde.ro/

Stiu Partidul Verde.:doh: Aceeasi obositi pe care-i stiu deja deci... eu speram ca poate e ceva nou, de asta intrebam. Mersi oricum... o sa-i urmaresc pe aia din Franta, sa vad ce au in cap.:okay:

:banana: http://www.romanialibera.ro/a156051/protocolul-pentru-bac-interzis.html

gabi: mai bine stau ca vitele in staul profesorii
Vineri, 05 Iunie 2009 11:18
atata timp in canicula ( de obicei ) si cu o asa responsabilitate si nu au dreptul la un suc si o cafea ??? sa vina de acasa cu sendviciul cu salam ??? nu sunt profeor , copilul meu a dat anul trecut bacul si a prins temperaturi de ~40 grade . el a stat in sala o ora dar profesorii au stau o zi intreaga .


^^ de parinti dintr-astia imi era mie sila cand eram elev/licean :ohno: :nuts: Vai d-l goe :nuts:

Stiu Partidul Verde.:doh: Aceeasi obositi pe care-i stiu deja deci... eu speram ca poate e ceva nou, de asta intrebam. Mersi oricum... o sa-i urmaresc pe aia din Franta, sa vad ce au in cap.:okay:

Cine stie, poate ca daca se inspira de indeiile mai avangardiste de aici si voteaza impreuna la parlamentul european, ar merita sa se voteze pentru ei... Doar nu iei conduc tara, dar voteaza legi europeene... Nu le cunosc, dar am vazut rapid ca merg la conferite in franta si germania pe situl lor.

gabi: mai bine stau ca vitele in staul profesorii
Vineri, 05 Iunie 2009 11:18
atata timp in canicula ( de obicei ) si cu o asa responsabilitate si nu au dreptul la un suc si o cafea ??? sa vina de acasa cu sendviciul cu salam ??? nu sunt profeor , copilul meu a dat anul trecut bacul si a prins temperaturi de ~40 grade . el a stat in sala o ora dar profesorii au stau o zi intreaga .
:puke:

Eu vad problema asa... profesorul trebuie sa aiba un salariu care sa-i permita ca inainte/dupa examen sa-si cumpere o apa/suc si un sandvis de undeva. Fie vine cu ele la examen si mananca/bea acolo, ca nu-i o problema asta, doar nu face mititei pe gratar, nu?:nuts: Fie iese undeva in apropiere, asa cum in toata lumea ies oamenii in pauza de masa, de la serviciu si nu-i cer sefului bani pentru asta, ci platesc din salariul lor.

Protocolul e o tampenie.

http://www.youtube.com/homeprojectFR

gata se poate vedea filmul! cool!

^^Pai eu ce ziceam?
E disponibil pe YouTube.

^^ daca nu ma insel cred ca este (sau ar trebui) platita o diurna pentru ziua BAC-ului. Ce mare problema?!
http://www.youtube.com/homeprojectFR

gata se poate vedea filmul! cool!

^^ tema pentru acasa 1.33.39 :nuts:

^^For Brits (as well as myself)...:lol:
http://www.youtube.com/homeproject

1lHxMXr43LE
What a crock of shit!:hilarious

You gotta love how Christians cry discrimination whenever they lose the upper hand or at least are under the impression they're losing it. I mean I get it, the UK is not Romania, higher percentage of atheists and agnostics, much more secular country... but claiming there's widespread discrimination against Christians at work sounds like utter bollocks.:nuts:

And what constitutes discrimination anyway? I'm against discrimination, whether you're atheist, Christian, Muslim or wtv, but why do I get the impression that they don't see discrimination like I do? I bet you at least a half of those polled actually come across as pretty fundamentalist and like to argue their stance by using religious arguments so perhaps it's not the employer's fault. Like one YT user put it...
If I was an employer, and any of my employees ever started a sentence with 'As a christian I feel that...' I definitely would discriminate. They are demonstrating that they cannot think logically or reasonably when making decisions pertaining to my business.
Now, I don't think "discriminate" is the proper word here, but arguing your position like that would get me thinking whether you can provide decent arguments or not... so as employer I'd think twice before taking a decision based on your arguments.:shifty: It's just proper business practice...

And what's with the "funny lobby group of atheists" shit?!:crazy:

Anyway, I just had to post this cause it's too funny.:lol:

"Home", the film, is awesome...

Incep sa cred ca ai o agenda ascunsa cosmin :nuts:

You gotta live here to understand this sort of behaviour. Freedom is what this country loves most ... and there's loads of shitE that comes with it :lol:

Besides, I disagree with this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7177942.stm
^^ So you can wear a hijab or sikh turbans or even more: may have public money spent on bulletproof turbans:nuts: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8039921.stm

... but cannot wear a small cross :nuts: Bullshit !

Și ce? Tu crezi că o să se voteze „mai bine” cu vot obligatoriu? :nuts:

Eu sunt clar împotrivă.

... pe langa tiganii si flamanzii si satele de care aminteam mai devreme ... mai contracaram si dintr-astia ... prezenti la toate alegerile. Daca ai prezenta de +80% jegurile astea nu mai ajung in parlament sau in administratie :ohno: ... dar la prezenta 30/40% "fiecare" vot conteaza :nuts:
http://www.romanialibera.ro/a138801/cum-poti-sa-cumperi-un-loc-in-parlament.html
http://www.romanialibera.ro/a138912/pentru-5-000-de-euro-va-garantez-50-de-voturi.html

Incep sa cred ca ai o agenda ascunsa cosmin :nuts:
Indeed, world domination is my goal here on SSC. Now that you've exposed me, I'll have to pay you a visit.:(

Wtf are you talking about... hidden agenda?:nuts:

You gotta live here to understand this sort of behaviour. Freedom is what this country loves most ... and there's loads of shitE that comes with it :lol:
I have to live in the UK to understand freedom?:) Have I argued against freedom? Have I said Christians need to be discriminated because of their beliefs? Quite the opposite, they're free to believe whatever they want. All I'm saying is this: it's not discrimination just because you perceive it as such (and I gave the example of an employee who may pass as making irrational and biased decisions in his line of work and if that discriminates against anything, it discriminates against incompetence, which is fine by me), and by the looks of it, they're exaggerating. I mean, the poll is dubious (this was pointed out), and sorry, but they've sent the wrong person to represent them.:shifty:

Besides, I disagree with this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7177942.stm
^^ So you can wear a hijab or sikh turbans or even more: may have public money spent on bulletproof turbans:nuts: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8039921.stm

... but cannot wear a small cross :nuts: Bullshit !
I don't quite get that... so BA had a policy that didn't allow her to wear a cross? Indeed, that's discrimination (in my eyes anyway) and she should be allowed to wear any religious symbols as long as they're not too intrusive so to say and don't replace or obscure her uniform... so I wouldn't agree with her wearing a burka for example. Besides, I find crosses to make for some neat jewelry... always liked wearing one, though I'm not wearing one at the moment since now I'd rather wear something with no religious connotations, but again... I'm fine with crosses if they're small and in good taste (so no crappy bling-blings:puke:).

Bulletproof turbans... that's over the top I think.:lol: Besides, they'd have to discard the police helmet, which again, conflicts with their uniform and the image they must have as police officers.

So again... what hidden agenda?:shifty: I wish rationality and facts would play a bigger role in society than they do now, but that's a wish of mine, can't say I have an agenda. I also wish we'd curb our dependence on fossil fuels as fast as possible. Does that make me have a... green/treehugger agenda?:nuts: Please.:)

And I didn't even post that vid here to start a discussion on this... but because it genuinely amused me.

So again... what hidden agenda?:shifty:

:jk:
... though you seem to have an appetite for bashing religious people. I'd say ... Let it be:)

Bulletproof turbans... that's over the top I think.:lol: Besides, they'd have to discard the police helmet, which again, conflicts with their uniform and the image they must have as police officers.

^^ that's been history
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8394/28782342.jpg (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=28782342.jpg)

video http://www.evz.ro/articole/detalii-articol/853809/Udrea-Am-jucat-tenis-cu-Nastase-nu-stiu-cum-voi-face-cu-Nadia--VIDEO/

^^ that's been history
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8394/28782342.jpg (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=28782342.jpg)
Oh, wtf?:doh: Again, that's over the top. So he's allowed to wear a black towel on his head and that woman is discriminated for wearing a cross? Someone fucked up.:nuts:

This is the kind of irrationality I'm talking about... not being able to leave your religion-imposed dress code behind when you leave for work and have to abide to a different dress code, especially when you're providing a public service (e.g. police).:ohno:

So if I go and work for the Met, can I wear jeans all day even if I'm just a regular officer? I really like jeans and I'm deeply offended if I can't wear them. I also want ballistic jeans... don't want my precious to be harmed in the line of duty, you know.:D

Now that's more like it.:D
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/462/6ddddddddddd.gif
(Sorry for the dodgy work)

^^ bulletproof badge :nuts:
Oh, wtf?:doh: Again, that's over the top. So he's allowed to wear a black towel on his head and that woman is discriminated for wearing a cross? Someone fucked up.:nuts:

This is the kind of irrationality I'm talking about... not being able to leave your religion-imposed dress code behind when you leave for work and have to abide to a different dress code, especially when you're providing a public service (e.g. police).:ohno:

So if I go and work for the Met, can I wear jeans all day even if I'm just a regular officer? I really like jeans and I'm deeply offended if I can't wear them. I also want ballistic jeans... don't want my precious to be harmed in the line of duty, you know.:D

^^ That's what THEY mean. And I can tell you smth that will surprise you: in UK, because of the damn political correctness, Christians (and whites) find themselves (sometimes) discriminated in their own country and against their ancestor's traditions and believes ...

but claiming there's widespread discrimination against Christians at work sounds like utter bollocks.:nuts:
^^ doesn't; it's reality here in UK. That's why I keep telling you that interfering with people's choices is (could be) more dangerous than not interfering. So Let it be ... whatever it is and does not pose an obvious threat to humanity ... IMO


bonus: old news
2002 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2596703.stm
2006 http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2006/12/14/christmas-tree.html
:lol: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cjd/1418632004/

Eu sincer ii privesc cu suspiciune pe politistii cu cerceafuri in cap, lanturi cu cruci sau expozitii de ghiuluri pe degete.
Daca nici o uniforma mai mult sau mai putin militara nu poti sa o respecti atunci din punctul meu de vedere ai oarece probleme cu bibilica. Atat timp cat esti in serviciu public consider ca e de bun simt sa lasi acasa asemenea obiecte vestimentare.

Claudiopolis, turbanul ala inlocuieste o componenta a uniformei; crucile, ghiulurile, tatuajele etc. nu fac asta. Asta-i singura mea obiectie la turban. Restul sunt detalii pe care eventual mi-ar placea sa le discut personal cu respectivul (ipotetic)... all in good spirit, si nu sunt de natura sa-i submineze imaginea de politist.:)

^^ doesn't; it's reality here in UK. That's why I keep telling you that interfering with people's choices is (could be) more dangerous than not interfering.
Agreed, but I'm not interfering with people's choices as I'm not denying them the right to believe whatever they want to believe. I just don't fall for this religion is outside discussion BS.
So Let it be ... whatever it is and does not pose an obvious threat to humanity ... IMO
Marijuana, prostitution, homosexuality etc. don't pose a threat to humanity. Holding firm beliefs about things you can't prove exist and claiming you know details about things you actually know jack about is potentially dangerous to humanity, especially when these beliefs take an extremist form and you believe in a life after this one.

I kinda see a conflict of interest between this and humanity's well being, now that we can obliterate ourselves within a few hours, maybe less.

That's why I'm advocating (not imposing!) reason, science, social and technological progress, and that's no hidden agenda.

But screw all that! I'm still puzzled... can an officer walk his beat in... jeans?:D

Cosmin, zau asa, nu ti se pare ca pentru un ateu aloci exagerat de mult timp subiectului religie? Esti departe de a fi singurul ateu de pe forumul asta dar esti printre putinii care par sa fi facut din asta o veritabila obsesie. Din punctul meu de vedere atunci cand cel mai la indemana mod de a te defini este in relatie cu ceva in care NU crezi nu reusesti sa dovedesti decat ca ai probleme de identitate.

Apropo - cum iti explici timiditatea grijulie a occidentalilor fata de lumea musulmana? Nu cred ca e vorba de un exagerat respect aratat traditiilor religioase si diversitatii culturale. Nici pomeneala. Pentru ca daca ar fi fost doar asta aceasi ar fi fost atitudinea si fata de traditiile crestine - ceea ce nu e cazul. Cred ca e pur si simplu vorba de frica. Frica celui care nu mai crede in nimic in fata celui dispus sa moara in numele a ceea ce crede. Eu vad aceasta frica ca pe un semn (printre multe altele) al oboselii istorice a Occidentului.

Cativa utilizatori (wyctor si fallen daca nu ma insel) se intrebau cu ceva vreme in urma de ce le toleram "arabilor" atatea si atatea in loc de a le spune verde in fata ca nu au dreptul sa ne impuna niciun fel de cenzura. Intrebare legitima - dar i-as intreba la randul meu: wyctor si fallen, voi ati muri pentru valorile in care credeti (democratie, umanism secularism etc.)? Poti sa-mi raspunzi si tu la intrebare, Cosmin. "Ei" ar face-o, fara indoiala, ne-au si dovedit-o, iar "noi" stim asta - si ne este frica!

Pusa din perspectiva asta problema isi descopera intreaga ei gravitate. Istoric vorbind...

Cosmin, zau asa, nu ti se pare ca pentru un ateu aloci exagerat de mult timp subiectului religie?
Ii aloc prea mult timp unde? In viata de zi cu zi? Pe SSC? Pe internet in general? In toate trei cazurile, raspunsul e nu. Dar din moment ce ai pus intrebarea asta, formulata asa ma indoiesc ca chiar te interesa raspunul. Am senzatia ca ti l-ai dat singur deja si ce cred eu nu mai conteaza. So moving on...:)

Esti departe de a fi singurul ateu de pe forumul asta dar esti printre putinii care par sa fi facut din asta o veritabila obsesie.
Obsesie?! Daca dupa parerea ta comportamentul meu fata de subiectul asta se incadreaza la categoria "obsesii", atunci vreau sa te mai informez de cateva "obsesii" ale mele: aviatie, stiinta si tehnologie, geografie, urbanism si mai am alte cateva obsesii mai mici gen stand-up comedy, design, finante si investitii etc.

Nu te-am vazut sa obiectezi la alte "obsesii" pe care le afisez constant aici, mult mai des decat religia. In fond, de urbanism, infrastructura, orase in general, stiinta si aviatie tot postez p-aici. Evident ca in cazurile astea nu spun ceva care sa te ofenseze (cel putin asa cred) si nu simti nevoia sa-mi faci observatie, adica revenim din nou la tratamentul preferential acordat religiei.

Din punctul meu de vedere atunci cand cel mai la indemana mod de a te defini este in relatie cu ceva in care NU crezi nu reusesti sa dovedesti decat ca ai probleme de identitate.
Cel mai la indemana sau cel mai relevant in contextul in cauza acum (religie)? E o diferenta mare. Nu vreau sa fac exces de etichete pe care sa mi le aplic, dar daca ar fi neaparata nevoie, probabil ca prima pe care as folosi-o ar fi "umanist secular", dupa care ar veni cea de sub username si ar mai fi cateva... iar de "ateu" nici n-am neaparat nevoie, pentru ca e inclusa in prima. Normal ca intr-o discutie despre religie ma identific ca ateu.:nuts: Sunt fortat sa ma identific SI astfel in anumite circumstante si asta ar trebui sa fie clar, dar in cazul de fata nu ma astept sa fie, din moment ce hodoronc-tronc tragi concluzia ca am probleme de identitate.:hm:

Apropo - cum iti explici timiditatea grijulie a occidentalilor fata de lumea musulmana?
Cum imi explic si timiditatea si respectul dus la extrem a multor oameni (vest, est, nu conteaza) pentru religii in general. In multe cazuri vad asta chiar la atei. Indoctrinarea inca functioneaza intr-un plan mai subtil chiar si atunci cand nu crezi in zeitati, si cativa useri de aici demonstreaza perfect asta.
Nu cred ca e vorba de un exagerat respect aratat traditiilor religioase si diversitatii culturale.
Ok, nu crezi. Eu am alta parere, asa cum am spus, si e bazata pe ce am observat, in primul rand, si pe ce am citit.
Pentru ca daca ar fi fost doar asta aceasi ar fi fost atitudinea si fata de traditiile crestine - ceea ce nu e cazul.
Este la fel pentru toate religiile abrahamice. Singura diferenta e ca pe crestini ii cunoastem mai bine, in partea asta a lumii, in timp ce pe musulmani, mai putin, si cel mai mult interactionam cu crestini, de unde si aparentul respect mai scazut fata de crestinism.


Cred ca e pur si simplu vorba de frica.
Da, pentru ca toti musulmanii inspira frica.:nuts:
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9997/2701140788fb484b4368.jpghttp://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6118/636pxanoushehansari.jpghttp://img177.imageshack.us/img177/7891/aymanpress.jpghttp://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2561/1118kurdishman.jpghttp://img91.imageshack.us/img91/7081/47855521919058d89fe.jpg

^^Da, da, toti sunt musulmani. Brrr!:shifty:
Frica celui care nu mai crede in nimic in fata celui dispus sa moara in numele a ceea ce crede.
Vorbim de crestini fundamentalisti sau musulmani fundamentalisti?! Of, tot fac confuzie.:(
Eu vad aceasta frica ca pe un semn (printre multe altele) al oboselii istorice a Occidentului.
Huh?:?

Intrebare legitima - dar i-as intreba la randul meu: wyctor si fallen, voi ati muri pentru valorile in care credeti (democratie, umanism secularism etc.)? Poti sa-mi raspunzi si tu la intrebare, Cosmin. "Ei" ar face-o, fara indoiala, ne-au si dovedit-o, iar "noi" stim asta - si ne este frica!
Pari sa ridici usurinta cu care unii isi dau viata pentru ceva care exista in mintea lor, in acelasi timp crezand ca au parte de o eternitate in Rai (vad ca asta uiti), ca fiind ceva laudabil, poate chiar ceva care merita incurajat.

Ia-le Rai-ul si virginele (dupa caz) si sa vedem cati se mai sacrifica. Sa vad, cand stii ca n-ai niciun motiv sa crezi ca dupa moarte exista ceva, daca esti dispus sa renunti la viata (asta) atat de usor.

Cat despre mine, nu am fost pus si sper sa nici nu fiu pus intr-o situatie in care una din "solutii" sa fie sacrificiul asta, sa-mi dau viata, deci mi-e greu sa zic ce as face. Ce stiu sigur e ca as cauta alta metoda sa rezolv problema si m-as gandi bine daca merita sa mor pentru idealul x. Acum vorbim de o actiune pe care o constientizezi, nu de tineri care se duc la proteste si ajung morti, nu de pompieri care intra intr-o casa in flacari si nu mai ies, nu de soldati care nu se mai intorc acasa pentru ca astea-s riscuri asumate, nu sacrificii premeditate.
Pusa din perspectiva asta problema isi descopera intreaga ei gravitate.
Gravitatea pe care o vad eu in povestea asta e ca unii-s gata sa-si dea viata pe planeta asta (singura pe care o au) pentru niste credinte din epoca bronzului, fara niciun fel de suport rational si crezand/sperand ca vor avea parte de o eternitate intr-un fel de rai.

Acum ca am raspuns la postarea ta, imi spui si mie ce te-a facut sa ma abordezi iar in felul asta? Pentru ca am postat filmuletul ala? L-am postat pentru ca vorbeau de o discriminare imaginara (considerand procentele vehiculate) si l-as fi postat si daca era vorba de alta categorie care pretindea ca-i discriminata atat de rau cand ea nu este.

In ce fel te-am abordat? Te simti ofensat cumva?

In ce fel te-am abordat? Te simti ofensat cumva?
De ce m-as simti ofensat? M-ai jignit?:) Si chiar daca as fi ofensat nu vad ce relevanta are asta in discutie, dar in fine... nu, nu ma simt ofensat.

Modul in care m-ai abordat denota faptul ca esti nemultumit de discutiile astea. Apreciez insa ca tu nu recurgi la amenintari (si nu-s sarcastic acum).:cheers:

Ca o continuare la exemplul cu biserica de care va spuneam ca a construit o scoala/gradinita in subsol : http://www.stmartin-in-the-fields.org/jserv/concerts/index.jsp
^^ eu de genul asta de credinta/biserica spun let it be. Sa fim clar intelesi: niciodata nu ma gandesc la o minoritate de razboinici ai luminii sau vreo tara de nebuni sau mai stiu eu ce conflicte ... si nici de circul la pupat moaste sau luat aghiazma de acasa. Eu vorbesc de o biserica reformata ... LET IT BE

PS Am ascultat mai mult Handel in biserica decat la filarmonica :nuts:
Uneori si in pauza (lunga :nuts:) de pranz http://www2.stmartin-in-the-fields.org/page/music/lunchtime.html
Sau chiar Jazz NIghts http://www2.stmartin-in-the-fields.org/page/music/jazz.html
PPS Si am servit si un delicios 2004 Bodega Norton Malbec Reserva: http://www2.stmartin-in-the-fields.org/page/cafe/cafe.html

Amenintari...? :lol:

Drept cine mai iei? A threat to humanity...? :lol:

In alta ordine de idei - o sa incerc sa iti raspund mai in detaliu zilele astea daca discutia mai ramane de actualitate. Urmeaza un week-end cu ascensiuni montane si cel mai bun lucru pe care il poti face vineri seara in situatii de-astea este sa te culci devreme.

Last edit tonight: nu sunt "nemultumit de discutiile astea" pentru ca, in ultima instanta, nu ma obliga nimeni sa le citesc. Vreau doar sa-ti atrag atentia ca incepi sa semeni cu ateii lui Dostoievski care erau mai degraba inclinati sa se ia la sfada cu Dumnezeu decat sa-i ignore clamata (de altii) existenta. Alti utilizatori care s-au delarat nu odata atei (pescarush, Le Clerk, Cotnati etc.) nu par a simti nevoia sa revina cu atata obstinatie la subiect. Atat.

^^
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http://www2.stmartin-in-the-fields.org/page/cafe/crypt/crypt.html
:eek: :drool:

Presupunand ca la scoala aia din beci nu strecoara si propaganda crestina (lucru pe care n-am cum sa-l verific, dar pt ca servesc cafea si croissant in cripta, hai, treaca de la mine:D), atunci da... let it be si din partea mea.

Am vazut si la TV/pe net chiar preoti care cand ii iei la puricat vezi ca nu au nimic din ce are un preot "standard", unii chiar mai au un pic si dau in ateism.:nuts: Cunosc si eu un caz in Valcea, chiar daca nu-i atat de "grav". Nu pot sa nu ma intreb, oamenii astia, care evident n-au legatura cu religia, ce mai cauta acolo?:crazy: Obisnuinta? Frumusetea meseriei, asa cum e perceputa de ei? Nu prea inteleg ce-i tine si recunosc ca asta ma amuza... dar nu-i critic si as vrea sa fie mai multi asa.

Dar iar ignori multitudinea de faith schools care chiar polueaza educatia cu propaganda... tu alegi sa vezi doar partea buna, eu aleg sa vad ambele parti.

Hai ca mi-ai facut pofta de o cafea si ceva de patiserie!:bash:

Amenintari...? :lol:

Drept cine mai iei? A threat to humanity...? :lol:
Sa-nteleg ca n-ai mai citit de mult thread-ul asta.:lol: Lasa, n-ai pierdut nimic.

Urmeaza un week-end cu ascensiuni montane si cel mai bun lucru pew care il poti face vineri seara in situatii de-astea este sa te culci devreme.
Alpinism?:) Anyway, have fun!

Last edit tonight: nu sunt "nemultumit de discutiile astea" pentru ca, in ultima instanta, nu ma obliga nimeni sa le citesc. Vreau doar sa-ti atrag atentia ca incepi sa semeni cu ateii lui Dostoievski care erau mai degraba inclinati sa se ia la sfada cu Dumnezeu decat sa-i ignore clamata (de altii) existenta. Alti utilizatori care s-au delarat nu odata atei (pescarush, Le Clerk, Cotnati etc.) nu par a simti nevoia sa revina cu atata obstinatie la subiect. Atat.
Stiu asta, dar gresesti si am zis de nenumarate ori de ce (nu-s un ateu militant, ca asta vrei sa zici). Oricum, nu e treaba mea ce fac alti useri, mai ales ca stiu ca multi sigur sunt mai ocupati decat mine si nici n-au rabdarea mea, iar altii posteaza strict pe teme de arhitectura si urbanism.

Claudiopolis, turbanul ala inlocuieste o componenta a uniformei; crucile, ghiulurile, tatuajele etc. nu fac asta. Asta-i singura mea obiectie la turban. Restul sunt detalii pe care eventual mi-ar placea sa le discut personal cu respectivul (ipotetic)... all in good spirit, si nu sunt de natura sa-i submineze imaginea de politist.:)

Cearceaful ala e exact asa de util precum lanturile cu cruci atarnate la gat sau exporizitia de ghiuluri pe degete, adica deloc. Nu are absolut nici un scop practic, iar la uniforma de serviciu(nu cea de parada) orice nu are scop practic este in plus.
Din punctul meu de vedere singurul motiv pentru care cineva incalca rigorile uniformei si imbraca elemente din vestimentatia traditiei sau religiei lui este acela de a-mi atrage atentia ca e diferit iar daca vrea cu tot dinadinsul sa fie asa sa faca bine sa fie diferit pe banii lui si in timpul liber.

Cativa utilizatori (wyctor si fallen daca nu ma insel) se intrebau cu ceva vreme in urma de ce le toleram "arabilor" atatea si atatea in loc de a le spune verde in fata ca nu au dreptul sa ne impuna niciun fel de cenzura. Intrebare legitima - dar i-as intreba la randul meu: wyctor si fallen, voi ati muri pentru valorile in care credeti (democratie, umanism secularism etc.)? Poti sa-mi raspunzi si tu la intrebare, Cosmin. "Ei" ar face-o, fara indoiala, ne-au si dovedit-o, iar "noi" stim asta - si ne este frica!

Pusa din perspectiva asta problema isi descopera intreaga ei gravitate. Istoric vorbind...

Eu nu as fi dispus sa mor pt secularism, umanism, etc. pt ca sunt slabe sanse ca moartea mea sa aiba vreun efect. A se vedea rezultatele revolutiei calugarilor budisti din Myanmar.

Ceea ce au efect, in schimb, sunt cuvintele si actiunile oamenilor puternici: presedintii SUA, Rusiei, Chinei, etc. Iar discursuri ca si cel al lui Obama de ieri de la Cairo nu fac decat sa le dea apa la moara celor pro-Sharia.

Daca, prin absurd, musulmanii ar cuceri Romania si ar impune Sharia, pur si simplu m-as muta intr-o alta tara care respecta macar o parte din valorile mele, cum ar fi China comunista. Ei nu vor avea niciodata probleme cu musulmanii precum avem noi. Cand are loc un atentat, se pun sa mai demoleze cate o moschee sau doua, sa tortureze jihadisti si nu numai, etc :lol: . Nu zic ca trebuie sa procedeze si liderii nostri asa, dar nici sa ascunda adevarul.

-HBElJmCnv0
Now, that's a bit better.:cheers:

http://transilvaniaexpres.ro/images/090604-195709.jpg (http://transilvaniaexpres.ro/index.php?mod=articol&id_articol=122258)

^^ omg. sper sa nu se fi intamplat in timpul vreunei competitii :)

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Stiri in stil Italian (de pe blogul lui Jays Show)

Cititi titlul si vedeti ce legatura are cu articolul!

Genova Romeno rapina e aggredisce anziana nei vicoli

Ad avere pietà per due esemplari di Labrador neri sono stati i passanti che, nel pomeriggio di giovedì, li hanno visti «prigionieri» in un fuoristrada posteggiato in corso Colombo a Chiavari. All’arrivo dei Carabinieri del nucleo radiomobile, uno dei due cani era già morto. La macchina, lasciata sotto il sole caldo di un pomeriggio primaverile con i finestrini chiusi, si è trasformata in una trappola mortale. I due cani sono rimasti per due ore chiusi nell’abitacolo. Anche il secondo Labrador, ricoverato in pessime condizioni al pronto soccorso per animali, non è riuscito a sopravvivere I padroni una coppia di turisti olandesi in vacanza a Chiavari, sono così stati denunciati.
http://www.ilgiornale.it/a.pic1?ID=346475

Tocmai mi-am schimbat parerea in bine in ce priveste presa romaneasca. Asa de jos inca n-am vazut sa coboare vre-un ziar romanesc de mare tiraj doar ca sa faca audienta.

Poate il angajeaza Reuters iar la urmatorul summit NATO reusesc si ei sa scrie corect numele capitalei gazda! :lol:

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This makes me sick.:ohno:
Homeopathy kills

[Note: This post may upset some people. It damn sure upset me. If you are easily upset by pediatric medical stories that do not end well, then you might want to skip reading this. The title alone may be all you need to know.]

Homeopathy is the antiscientific belief that infinitely diluted medicine in water can cure various ailments. It’s perhaps the most ridiculous of all "alternative" medicines, since it clearly cannot work, does not work, and has been tested repeatedly and shown to be useless.

And for those who ask, "what’s the harm?", you may direct your question to Thomas Sam and his wife Manju Sam, whose nine-month-old daughter died because of their homeopathic beliefs.

The infant girl, Gloria Thomas, died of complications due to eczema. Eczema. This is an easily-treatable skin condition (the treatments don’t cure eczema but do manage it), but that treatment was withheld from the baby girl by her parents, who rejected the advice of doctors and instead used homeopathic treatments. The baby’s condition got worse, with her skin covered in rashes and open cracks. These cracks let in germs which her tiny body had difficulty fighting off. She became undernourished as she used all her nutrients to fight infections instead of for growth and the other normal body functions of an infant. She was constantly sick and in pain, but her parents stuck with homeopathy. When the baby girl developed an eye infection, her parents finally took her to a hospital, but it was far too late: little Gloria Thomas succumbed to septicemia from the infection.

Thomas and Manju Sam were convicted yesterday of manslaughter in Australian court. As a parent myself I cannot even begin to imagine the pain they are going through, the anguish and the emotional horror. But let us be clear here: their belief in a clearly wrong antiscientific medical practice killed their baby. Homeopathy doesn’t work, but because they were raised in an environment that supports belief in homeopathy, they trusted it. They used it, and they rejected real, science-based medicine. And their daughter suffered the consequences.

And suffer she did. The accounts of the pediatricians who tried too late to help little Gloria Thomas are simply harrowing.

Every time I hear about something like this — a baby dying due to "alternative" medicine, or the lies and disinformation from the antivaccination movement, or some other belief system that flies in the face of reality — a little bit of me dies as well. I held my daughter shortly after she was born, and I would have done anything to protect her, and that included and still includes protecting her against people who fight so adamantly against reality.

The reality is that the antivaxxers’ work will result in babies dying. The reality is that belief in homeopathy will result in more babies dying. The reality is that denying science-based medicine will result in more babies dying.

And I know these words will fall on many deaf ears. And I will guarantee the comments to this post will contain many loud and irrational arguments supporting homeopathy and the antivaxxers. I’ve seen it before, and I know that many of those people are completely immune to reason and logic. And if you wonder what might wake them up, the answer may very well be nothing. Just read what Gloria Thomas’ father — the man just convicted of the manslaughter of his own daughter — had to say:

But even after Gloria died, Thomas Sam adhered to his belief that homeopathy was equally valid to conventional medicine for the treatment of eczema.

He told police: “Conventional medicine would have prolonged her life … with more misery. It’s not going to cure her and that’s what I strongly believe.”

He and his wife face 25 years in jail, where they will have plenty of time to rethink their convictions.
blogs.discovermagazine.com (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/05/homeopathy-kills/)

Homeopath Thomas Sam guilty of daughter Gloria's death (The Daily Telegraph) (http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25590813-5005941,00.html)

http://videonews.ro/action/viewvideo/15893/Mihai-Dobre-stapanul-aerului/
Dumnezeu sa-l odihneasca in pace

^^Filmuletele de pe VideoNews imi merg de parca serverul ar fi in Mauritania.:bash: Mai are cineva problema asta?

Reporterul de la Realitatea care a transmis de la Clinceni e un dobitoc.:| In toata televiziunea aia nu gasesc si ei unul mai rasarit? Nu neaparat cunoscator si pasionat de aviatie, da' macar unul care sa inteleaga ce-i spun pilotii si sa stie ce-i ala palonier.:bash: Cer asa de mult? Ma intreb cate chestii gresesc atunci cand e vorba de domenii unde-s ignorant si nu ma prind cand la TV mananca rahat...

De fiecare data cand e vorba de aviatie, televiziunile de la noi fac erori dupa erori, dar vad ca in ultima saptamana, Realitatea a tot dat-o-n bara, si cu AF 447, si acum si cu accidentul de la Clinceni.

^^Filmuletele de pe VideoNews imi merg de parca serverul ar fi in Mauritania.:bash: Mai are cineva problema asta?



Da , la fel imi merg si mie , trebuie sa astept 5 min sa incarc un filmulet de 2 minute.

Inseamna ca tu ai ceea ce se numeste "teava".:lol: Mie imi merg chiar mai prost (desi netul merge foarte bine).

La mine se incarca in nici 30 de secunde:D

9 secunde pe ceas, de cand am accesat linkul pana cand s-a incarcat tot siteul si bufferingu filmuletului a ajuns la final. :D

:gaah:

Apreciez insa ca tu nu recurgi la amenintari (si nu-s sarcastic acum).:cheers:

Sunt cu geana pe tine ;) :lol:

Vezi ca Mobert=Achmed... Fiind prieteni buni, he might kill you!

You said he's an atheist, so I wouldn't worry.:dunno:

-HBElJmCnv0
Now, that's a bit better.:cheers:

Yeah, that is better than the previous attempt.

well done for such a short video.
Next step would be to choose a great shot and place it on buses and street panels of major cities of the world..make people dreaming of going to Romania while stuck in traffic on their way to work etc
Nearby to where I live right now(and not only) there is a street panel with "Naturally Croatia" since last year I think-never changed

I really like the video. It's much better than I expected.

Articol despre participarea la electii europeene:
http://www.leparisien.fr/elections-europeennes-2009/debats-elections-europe/ce-sera-un-record-d-abstention-en-roumanie-02-06-2009-534132.php

Romanii nu o sa participe, si asta o sa enerveze inca mai mult tarile de vest care baga o gramada de bani la incapabilii la putere in romania, si o sa creeze o criza europeana inca mai mare... Daca iau alt exemplu, Polonia are cele mai multe fonduri europeene, si la fel ca Romania, nu merge nimeni sa voteze!!! UN SCANDAL! Este minimum de respect!

Sincer, treziti-va!

Pai normal ca in vest se duc sa voteze, acolo politicienii nu fac magarii de proportiile celor facute la noi, politicienii lor nu sunt la fel de nesimtiti ca la noi...

Parintii mei nu se duc sa voteze la europarlamentare in semn de protest, pentru ca nu au cu cine vota: toti sunt corupti, toti sunt incapabili, toti sunt la fel de putin doritori...

nu serveste la nimica, daca chiar toate partidele mari sunt corupte, macar votati pentru partide mai mici.
Ca toata chiestea asta o sa aiba efectul exact invers, coruptii raman la putere si nimeni nu de recadreaza la nivel european!

Asta ar fii un semn de protest mult mai bun

Articol despre participarea la electii europeene
Alegeri europene. Stiu ca limba pe care o folosesti zilnic nu e romana, dar asa ceva trebuia corectat si sper ca nu te superi, chiar daca "electie" e un cuvant in limba romana (extrem de rar folosit).

Eu o sa ma duc intr-o ora, doua sa votez, dar singurul motiv pentru care o fac e chiar asta: respectul pentru alegerile europene in sine si pentru ca stiu ca se vor duce foarte putini. Altfel... ii bag in ma-sa cu candidatii lor cu tot!:moods:

in contra, mersi de corectare, imi place sa vorbesc cit mai bine limba. :cheers:

Articol despre participarea la electii europeene:
http://www.leparisien.fr/elections-europeennes-2009/debats-elections-europe/ce-sera-un-record-d-abstention-en-roumanie-02-06-2009-534132.php

Romanii nu o sa participe, si asta o sa enerveze inca mai mult tarile de vest care baga o gramada de bani la incapabilii la putere in romania, si o sa creeze o criza europeana inca mai mare... Daca iau alt exemplu, Polonia are cele mai multe fonduri europeene, si la fel ca Romania, nu merge nimeni sa voteze!!! UN SCANDAL! Este minimum de respect!

Sincer, treziti-va!

scandal???? de unde? din absenteism? ha!!

unii foarte europeni au refuzat constitutia din motive hilare..... cine a mai fost atunci suparat ?

fii linistit, ro nu va creea nici o criza in UE, sunt altii mult mai buni la asta

apropo, o gramada de bani e o chestie relativa

Am votat.:)

Daca am inteles eu bine discutia pe care o doamna (cea care mi-a dat stampila) din sectia de votare o avea la telefon, prezenta in Bucuresti e de... 10%.:crazy:

11,82 % in mediul urban
19% in mediul rural.

In Bucurestiu nu stiu. Probabil ca ai dreptate cu 10%-le ala.
Cum zice reclama aia ..."N-ai cu cine bah, n-ai cu cine!... niste tarani."

Suntem si niste sictiriti ce n-am vazut! Ce e asa greu sa te duci sa pui stampile aiurea pe buletin sau sa scrii ceva pe el, daca n-ai pe cine vota? Eu initial la asta ma gandeam, dar pana la urma am votat PDL, pentru ca-s membri EPP.

in paris, luvrul plin de romani, iar ambasada goala ....

^^ Cotnari, sa vedem partea buna: macar s-au dus la Luvru, sa se culturalizeze.

^^Majoritatea se duce la Luvru din curiozitate. It's a must if you're in Paris. N-as zice ca isi cresc nivelul de cultura... mai bine pun mana pe o carte.:lol: Dar na, e bine...

Ce cauti in Paris?!:? Nu te mai primesc in Barcelona?:D

^^ Cotnari, sa vedem partea buna: macar s-au dus la Luvru, sa se culturalizeze.

:lol: absolut

Suntem si niste sictiriti ce n-am vazut! Ce e asa greu sa te duci sa pui stampile aiurea pe buletin sau sa scrii ceva pe el, daca n-ai pe cine vota. Eu initial la asta ma gandeam, dar pana la urma am votat PDL, pentru ca-s membri EPP.

La Cluj din partea PDL candideaza smechearsul ala ce s-a batut acum vreo luna intr-un local de manele. As vota si eu pentru EPP dar daca asta au ei sa-mi ofere, un manelist sau un candidat UDMR ... atunci sa fie sanatosi!

Countries with the lowest turnout should pay a "penalty" to the countries with the highest turnout excluding those with the mandatory voting. The size of penalty would be related with the budget or GDP of the country. The penalties could be used for some social aims in the countries-recipients.

Sorry, but I hate then people don't vote. And this is not because European elections, i.e. Lithuanians are not active in our national elections also.
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^^Majoritatea se duce la Luvru din curiozitate. It's a must if you're in Paris. N-as zice ca isi cresc nivelul de cultura... mai bine pun mana pe o carte.:lol: Dar na, e bine...

Ce cauti in Paris?!:? Nu te mai primesc in Barcelona?:D

M-au dat afara :lol:

si tu acum ... se mai misca omul. ce sa-i faci, riscurile meseriei

ps. ma lupt acum cu birocratia franceza, care e infecta!!! nu stiu cum supravietuieste tara asta (si inca super bine). si eu ma plangeam in spania ! ce copil eram !

asa ca nu voi fi f activ pe aici .... inca astept netul

Vino la noi, ca n-avem probleme cu birocratia!:devil:

Spor la treaba!:cheers:

Vino la noi, ca n-avem probleme cu birocratia!:devil:

Spor la treaba!:cheers:

multumesc la fel

Nebunul va fi extaziat...:lol:
Turnout in Romania at 16:00 EET was 14.95%.:doh:

PSD (PES) - 31%
PDL (EPP) - 30,5%
PNL (ELDR) - 17%
UDMR (EPP) - 7,5%
PRM (n/a) - 7%

PSD...:puke:

Articol despre participarea la electii europeene:
http://www.leparisien.fr/elections-europeennes-2009/debats-elections-europe/ce-sera-un-record-d-abstention-en-roumanie-02-06-2009-534132.php

Romanii nu o sa participe, si asta o sa enerveze inca mai mult tarile de vest care baga o gramada de bani la incapabilii la putere in romania, si o sa creeze o criza europeana inca mai mare... Daca iau alt exemplu, Polonia are cele mai multe fonduri europeene, si la fel ca Romania, nu merge nimeni sa voteze!!! UN SCANDAL! Este minimum de respect!

Sincer, treziti-va!

Si noi bagam o garla de bani in Vestul Europei, cu mult mai mult, doar suntem piata lor de desfacere, sursa de forta de munca ieftina etc. O sa le treaca, insa daca tot veni vorba de respect, minimum de respect ar insemna sa nu ne mai trateze de sus si sa arunce cu noroi in noi.

Nebunul va fi extaziat...:lol:

Oare de ce nu e clar ca trebuie introdus votul obligatoriu?! :ohno:

Edit: newest data, from 19:00 EET shows a turnout of 21.63%, a bit better.:)
http://www.realitatea.net/pana-la-ora-19-00--s-au-prezentat-la-vot-21-63prc--dintre-romani--potrivit-bec_533717.html

Oare de ce nu e clar ca trebuie introdus votul obligatoriu?! :ohno:

Ar fi o greseala. Votul este un drept, nu o obligatie, cine vrea sa-si exercite acest drept e liber sa o faca, cine nu, sa fie liber de asemenea.

^^ Corect.

Dacă s-ar introduce votul obligatoriu în România (norocul tău că nu se va întâmpla, nebunule), cred că am să iau la rând pe toți suporterii moțiunii să-i împușc, întâi în coaie, apoi în cap, asta deși eu am fost la vot.

O astfel de inițiativă este nedemocratică, iar dacă e să luăm exemplul Belgiei, eu zic că ei nu-și merită țara dacă, pe bune, fără vot obligatoriu, țara s-ar diviza din cauza mișcărilor valone și flamande.

Si noi bagam o garla de bani in Vestul Europei, cu mult mai mult, doar suntem piata lor de desfacere, sursa de forta de munca ieftina etc. O sa le treaca, insa daca tot veni vorba de respect, minimum de respect ar insemna sa nu ne mai trateze de sus si sa arunce cu noroi in noi.

Bravo de demagogia ta!

Exact, europa de vest profita enorm sa delocalizeze in est, si muncitorii de aici pierd locul lor de munca pentru Romania si China. (ironie) 2% din populatia din Franta se imbogateste cu asta (cei mai bogati), un pic ca in Romania sa zicem, dar aduce si de lucru in Romania.

Sa fiim seriosi, modelul liberalist este depasit, daca nu ne unim pentru o dezvoltare sociala si ecologica, deci financiara o sa pierdem cu toti fata de India si China, si Planeta noastra o sa piarda inca mai mult... uitati-va la filmul asta, o sa intelegeti:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqxENMKaeCU

Rezultate in Franta:
dreapta liberala: 28%
socialistii: 16%
europe ecologie: 16%
centru: 7%
ecologistii independenti: 3,5%

Rezultate in Franta:
dreapta liberala: 28%
socialistii: 16%
europe ecologie: 16%
centru: 7%
ecologistii independenti: 3,5%

ce au facut baietii de la "Cannabis sans frontières (http://cannabissansfrontieres.org/)" ? :lol:

scandal???? de unde? din absenteism? ha!!
unii foarte europeni au refuzat constitutia din motive hilare..... cine a mai fost atunci suparat?
fii linistit, ro nu va creea nici o criza in UE, sunt altii mult mai buni la asta
apropo, o gramada de bani e o chestie relativa

Oamenii au votat nu la constitutia europeana pentru ca pune in avantaj liberalismul abuziv...
Eu insa am votat naiv da. Dar am inteles dupa aia

ce au facut baietii de la "Cannabis sans frontières (http://cannabissansfrontieres.org/)" ? :lol:

:lol::ohno: ce prosteie hahahahaha

Oamenii au votat nu la constitutia europeana pentru ca pune in avantaj liberalismul abuziv...
Eu insa am votat naiv da. Dar am inteles dupa aia

si totusi, avem sarko si 28%

:lol::ohno: ce prosteie hahahahaha

m-am spart de ras

ce au facut baietii de la "Cannabis sans frontières (http://cannabissansfrontieres.org/)" ? :lol:
Partidul piratilor... si acum asta.:crazy: Wtf?

si totusi, avem sarko si 28%

Din pacate!!! Au o propaganda audiovizuala extrem de agresiva, un pic ca Berlusconi... Si Unii mai cred ca poate face ceva constructiv... cind delocalizeaza masiv in strainatate si toata lumea piede lucul sau de munca, nu-si dau inca seama...

Insa daca adaugi europe ecologie cu socialistii ai mai mult...

Da' sa vezi tu ca acuma Sarko baga in mintea tuturor ca el este ecologist!!! na

Ar fi o greseala. Votul este un drept, nu o obligatie, cine vrea sa-si exercite acest drept e liber sa o faca, cine nu, sa fie liber de asemenea.

Daca nu ar depinde viitorul si bunastarea noastra de el ...ti-as da dreptate. Dar cand Becali, Vadim si EBA ne reprezinta in PE mie imi vine urlu :ohno:
Vezi ca am postat mai devreme ce bani primeste de la UE Polonia sau chiar Ungaria ... si ce ramasite am negociat noi :nuts:

Daca nu ar depinde viitorul si bunastarea noastra de el ...ti-as da dreptate. Dar cand Becali, Vadim si EBA ne reprezinta in PE mie imi vine urlu :ohno:
Vezi ca am postat mai devreme ce bani primeste de la UE Polonia sau chiar Ungaria ... si ce ramasite am negociat noi :nuts:

Vadim si Becali luand cuvantul la Bruxelles :bash: ...oricum isi au si ei rostul printre atatia liberali si democrati sa mentina un oarecare echilibru si plus ca vor aparea mult mai rar pe sticla mai ales in cazul ciobanului, ne va scuti de aroganta si incultura atat promovata de mass media romaneasca

Bravo de demagogia ta!

Exact, europa de vest profita enorm sa delocalizeze in est, si muncitorii de aici pierd locul lor de munca pentru Romania si China. (ironie) 2% din populatia din Franta se imbogateste cu asta (cei mai bogati), un pic ca in Romania sa zicem, dar aduce si de lucru in Romania.

Sa fiim seriosi, modelul liberalist este depasit, daca nu ne unim pentru o dezvoltare sociala si ecologica, deci financiara o sa pierdem cu toti fata de India si China, si Planeta noastra o sa piarda inca mai mult... uitati-va la filmul asta, o sa intelegeti:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqxENMKaeCU

Rezultate in Franta:
dreapta liberala: 28%
socialistii: 16%
europe ecologie: 16%
centru: 7%
ecologistii independenti: 3,5%

Care demagogie? Ai macar idee ce e aia demagogie sau doar arunci cu cuvinte asa, ca nu te costa nimic?

Europa de Vest profita enorm de pe urma exinderii, infinit mai mult decat statele est-europene. Da, unele locuri de munca neprofitabile sunt mutate aici, in schimb noile piete la care au access fara nici un fel de obstacole creaza mai multe locuri de munca, mai bine platite, acolo. In plus, cine peticeste sistemul social nesustenabil din cauza natalitatii si a cresterii reduse a productivitatii, precum si deficitul de forta de munca calificata din Vest (medici, progamatori, ingineri, cercetatori etc)? Unde se poate investi capital cu dobanzi nesimtite ori se poate specula piata imobiliara obtinandu-se castiguri fabuloase? Unde isi cheltuie noii imbogatiti din Est averile si unde sunt actionarii marilor firme care aduna profituri uriase in tarile din Est prin practici dubioase, cum ar fi marile lanturi de magazine care practic incetul cu incetul sufoca producatorii locali?

30 de miliarde reprezinta cam 150% din deficitul comercial al Romaniei pe un an, realizat in mare parte in comertul cu Europa de Vest. In doi ani banii aia au fost "recuperati", asta daca nu tinem cont ca o mare parte din ei se vor intoarce imediat in Vest prin contractele care vor fi impartite "frateste" companiilor occidentale la presiunea guvernelor lor si de alte "beneficii" adiacente.

Normal, pentru toate astea Romania trebuie sa stea cu caciula in mana si sa faca sluj la comanda.

"La démagogie (du grec demos « le peuple » et ago : « conduire ») est une notion rhétorique désignant l'art de mener le peuple ..."

adica ai arta (de a oculta adevarul) de a conduce discutia in favoarea opiniei tale

creaza mai multe locuri de munca, mai bine platite, acolo.
Normal, pentru toate astea Romania trebuie sa stea cu caciula in mana si sa faca sluj la comanda.

asta o crezi tu!

Si cum ti-am spus, 2% din populatia din vest se imbogateste cu astea... Si nici la francezi in majoritate nu le place, pentru ca si acolo s-o abtinut 60% din populatie (ceva nevazut in tara drepturile omului si a democratiei)...

@ Mihai

Ok, ai demonstrat ca stii sa citezi din dictionar, dar inca nu m-ai lamurit cum se potriveste cuvantul ala in contextul de fata. Sau poate vorbim de o varianta franceza a legii lui Godwin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law) si atunci chiar nu are sens.

asta o crezi tu!

QED. I like your style.

lol, I like yours also...

Sa fiim seriosi, modelul liberalist este depasit, daca nu ne unim pentru o dezvoltare sociala si ecologica, deci financiara o sa pierdem cu toti fata de India si China, si Planeta noastra o sa piarda inca mai mult... uitati-va la filmul asta, o sa intelegeti:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqxENMKaeCU

Rezultate in Franta:
dreapta liberala: 28%
socialistii: 16%
europe ecologie: 16%
centru: 7%
ecologistii independenti: 3,5%

Vai dar ești spălat bine pe creier! Tu te iei tocmai de singurul lucru bun și important din încercările de tratat de constituție europeană (adică liberalismul economic)? Păi tocmai măsurile de control și reglare ale economiei aplicate până acum au fost factorii destabilizanți care au dus la o supraîndatorare a populației au fost cauzele crizei economice!

Și să mă lași cu ecologia asta falsă a emisilor de CO2 (de link vb), care pe lângă faptul că e falsă și profit-driven, ascunde faptul că țările cu cel mai bun carbon-record au și cele mai mari probleme ecologice reale. Asta pentru că sunt subdezvoltate și datorită unor ipocriți, care în numele planetei, nu pot să-și exploateze resursele naturale ca să ajungă la un nivel de dezvotare de unde își vor permite să devină mai ecologici (vorbesc de poluarea cu deșeuri, gaze nocive - NO2, CO, sulfați, nu CO2 - defrișări, distrugerea habitatului natural prin ramuri industriale ce nu pot atinge eficiență mare).

Și Sarko e liberal? Mie mi se pare cam ciudat pus pe eșicherul politic.

Despre alegeri pot spune că mă :puke: scorul EPP. O grupare plină de prefăcuți scârboși în genul lui Berlusconi și Băsescu. Acum nu că am vreun atașament mare pentru o anumită grupare, că toate au cel puțin una dintre politicile lor importante fundamental greșită dpdv logic, dar EPP-ul mi se pare de departe sursa cea mai mare de inepții politice în UE, inepții ce pot fi periculoase. Măcar că se despart anti-federaliștii de ei (un + de la mine în direcția lor pt. asta).

Păi tocmai măsurile de control și reglare ale economiei aplicate până acum au fost factorii destabilizanți care au dus la o supraîndatorare a populației au fost cauzele crizei economice!
Unele masuri, da. Nu toate! Ai tras concluzia total gresita.:doh:
Și să mă lași cu ecologia asta falsă a emisilor de CO2 (de link vb), care pe lângă faptul că e falsă și profit-driven, ascunde faptul că țările cu cel mai bun carbon-record au și cele mai mari probleme ecologice reale.
:crazy:

Sa fie avantajate schimburile interne asta nu am nici o problema, chiar OK (constitutia avea 95% din text OK), dar in nici un caz permetea "măsurile de control și reglare ale economiei", chiar de aia s-o opus francezii.

Cu liberalismul nu am problema daca nu este extrem, si profita la o sigura casta.
Daca dai exemplul cu resursele ale tarilor in dezvoltare, as vrea sa stiu ce gandesti despre toata padurea din borneo care o sa dispara in totalitate in 10 ani pentru ca so exploatat fara nici o masura, chiar din cauza liberalismul ABUZIV? Sau chiar in ROMANIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://replantingtherainforests.org/site/images/stories/Borneo/borneo_before_reforestation.jpg

Scuza ma daca ti-am distrus visul tau... ;)

Nu cred ca i-ai distrus visul. S-ar putea sa fie un caz de laissez-faire FTW!:rock: + global warming is a lie = LOVE.

Daca ma-ntelegi...:lol:

Exista exemple cu gramada:

molecule periculoase care sunt prezente in produsele alimentare: in midie generala in fiecare produs pe care il cumpari este macar un produs fabricat in china, si cind vezi cum nu au nici o transparenta vis-à-vis de conumator, poti sa te intrebi...

Petrolul care este prezent in africa, dar toate beneficiile merg la cel mult 10 persoane in realitate in tara.

Traders beneficii maxime, restul populatie nimica

...etc

Cosmin: Eu nu spuneam de toate măsurile, ci de cele care au dus la un ciclu datorie-înprumută-datorie-împrumută... dar n-am de gând să spun tot timpul că nu generalizez, asta ar trebui să fie la mintea cocoșului. Sunt de acord cu măsuri care previn dezvoltarea intereselor coorporatiste până în punctul în care acestea ajung să controleze sistemul (cam inutile acum, că deja s-a întâmplat), dar măsurile propuse acum pt. combaterea crizei economice sunt o formă mai gravă ale acelor măsuri care au cauzat-o în primul rând, și e posibil să ducă la o altă criză pe viitor, sau la un lockdown al economiei.

Eu sunt social-liberal, cu mari tendințe spre libertarianism pe scara socială (cred că mă apropii de anarhism :lol: după unii chiar sunt în regiunea aia ) dacă te interesează.
Și cu global warming, check you local meteorologist that doesn't have any political or economic affiliation, and isn't under any financial pressure. :cheers:

Și pot să-ți dau un caz concret: India. India a primit multe fonduri, via companii care se dau bine pe lângă mai marii suporteri (cu mulți bani) ai mișcării eco false (iăia cu co2). Recent una dintre ele a primit fonduri pentru dezvoltare durabilă, dar pentru a face un oarece profit din treaba asta, a cauzat un dezastru ecologic. S-au aruncat deșeuri toxice, folosite în producția a ce dracu făceau ei acolo, în apa din zone. În principiu, țăranii de acolo o foloseau pt. băut + irigarea plantațiilor. Acum apa e otrăvită vizibil (se formează o pâclă albă la suprafață), și le-a distrus o sursă importantă de hrană și apă. A ieșit chestia asta în presă, dar în continuare, firma e susținută pentru că pe irelevantele emisii de CO2 stau bine, și pentru că sunt băieții lor.

MihaiMedias: Nu mi-ai distrus nimic, că scena aia nu e cauzată de încălzirea globală (care ps, din 2003 e cam răcire globală), ci de alte cauze care reprezintă o problemă serioasă, dar ușor surmontabilă dacă nu s-ar devia atâtea resurse financiare către un fals de proporții.

Și exemplul cu Borneo nu e corect, acela nu e liberalism excesiv, ci atitudinea „profit cu orice preț, pt. că sunt mult prea puternic pt. a resimți vreun efect”, pt. că pe bune, unii chiar sunt atât de puternici, încât i-ar durea în cot si de un Armageddon nuclear. Ăștia îi atrag pe restul în astfel de activități. Acela e un sistem de control social mascat sub forma liberalismului, care poate fi folosit drept scuză pentru control legiferat mai apoi. Mai e și lipsa implementării unor reguli de bun simț printre cauze.

Offtopic: Aș vrea să apară tastaturi fără Caps Lock, că mă enervează la culme.

Traders beneficii maxime, restul populatie nimica
Cu ce sens folosesti "traders" aici, de negustori, comercianti sau traderi (cei care tranzactioneaza pe pietele financiare)? Banuiesc ca al doilea inteles...

Anyway, solutia ideala e o combinatie intre protectie sociala, responsabilitate corporativa mai mare, regularizare mai buna, mai inteligenta, educatie financiara a populatiei mai buna, asa incat omul "de rand" sa faca greseli mai putine (vezi ipotecile), sa se gandeasca la idei de afaceri, la investitii, participare pe pietele financiare (in ziua de azi sunt o groaza de brokeri care-ti ofera acces la toate pietele, de la forex si actiuni pana la derivative si petrol sau aur) etc. Nu poti nici sa arati cu degentul spre companii, fonduri, banci si sa pretinzi protectie absoluta pentru "sarmanul cetatean", dar nici sa ai o situatie in care cativa primesc prime pentru ca au bagat compania in pamant si au nenorocit o groaza de oameni (cum e acum).

Cat despre produsele alimentare, nu ne putem intoarce la agricultura de subzistenta. Cercetarea in domeniu trebuie sa mearga inainte, trebuie, in cea mai mare parte, renuntat la pesticide si recurs la inginerie genetica, dar facuta corespunzator, trebuie un control strict al alimentelor si productie cu un impact cat mai redus asupra mediului.

E foarte mult de munca, dar nu agreez nici laissez-faire, nici socialism si regularizare extreme, la fel cum nu agreez nici ce facem acum planetei si noua, dar nici ideile din capul unor tree huggers si speriati de progres si GMOs.

MihaiMedias: Nu mi-ai distrus nimic, că scena aia nu e cauzată de încălzirea globală (care ps, din 2003 e cam răcire globală), ci de alte cauze care reprezintă o problemă serioasă, dar ușor surmontabilă dacă nu s-ar devia atâtea resurse financiare către un fals de proporții.
Again with that crap. Ugh!

For starters...
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And also...
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I can also point you to peer-reviewed articles if need be.

1) (care ps, din 2003 e cam răcire globală)

2) Și exemplul cu Borneo nu e corect, acela nu e liberalism excesiv, ci atitudinea „profit cu orice preț

1) nici nu-mi vine sa cred ca ai scris asa o prostie
2) care este diferenta?????????????????????????????????????? :ohno: "Bunul simt", chiar asta nu este in liberalismul "pur", deci trebuie facut ceva, pentru a evita sa distrugem tot ce este sub piciorul nostru, care ne hraneste...

1) nici nu-mi vine sa cred ca ai scris asa o prostie
Eh...:lol: shhht!

scuze... nu-mi vine sa cred ca spui asa ceva... hihihi

Again with that crap. Ugh!

Să te întreb eu, de ce nu pot fi date zeci de miliarde pentru evitarea defrișărilor, poluarii cu noxe și deșeuri și braconajul, și pot fi date pentru a face block-bustere pe tema încălzirii globale, care mai degrabă s-ar potrivi cu un scroll gen „Senzațional, la Dan Diaconescu în direct, Încălzirea globală! Credeți că încălzirea globală are de-a face cu explozia de implaturi cu silicon de anul acesta? Da 60% - Nu 50%”

Aici avem o divergență, dar cu postul anterior sunt de acord, cu mici precizări:

1. Nu poți responsabiliza companii cu vorba bună. Aceasta trebuie făcută prin stimulări pozitive în general.
2. Regularizarea trebuie să fie minimă pentru a fi eficientă, adică doar să susțină cadrul economic, și să evite abuzurile rezultate prin crearea unor poli excesiv de puternici prin eliminarea cauzei pentru care unii țintesc la asta, adică profitul care crește exponențial. Pentru acest lucru, cel mai simplu sistem este unul de taxare progresivă, care favorizează clasa de mijloc, element de reglare a societății, cu IMM-urile, și previne supradimensionarea companiilor.

MihaiMedias: citește toată fraza și ce am scris acum la 2. Aia deja nu mai ține de liberalism/socialism ci de sfidarea sistemului economic.

EDIT: Am bolduit eliminarea cauzei, pt. că este cea mai eficientă metodă de a combate ceva, și pentru multe probleme este ignorată în general.

Din pacate nu sunt de acord cu tine,

Eu cred ca esti prea optimist, pentru toate trebuie facute legi si gradul de regularizare, in ce priveste viitorul nostru cred ca nu poate fii o semi-masura, trebuie facut punct. Economia sa mearga in cadrul asta. Si va merge chiar mai bine, pentru ca sunt o gramada de locuri de munca de creat in Europa, si tarile in dezvoltare care vreau neaparat sa traiasca ca pe modelul nostru, o sa vrea sa ajunga la dezvoltarea durabila si ei.

Trebuie un cadru peste tot, ca si pentru un copil, daca nu ii zici ca nu poate face orice, devine incontrolabil.

Cadrul trebuie să existe, foarte corect, dar trebuie să fie minim și non-invaziv. Dezvoltarea durabilă vine de la sine, și poate să fie încurajată ușor, atât timp cât nu există dezechilibre, de genul polilor care preiau controlul și practic ies din acel cadru. Pentru a evita asta, deja mi-am expus punctul de vedere: taxarea progresivă, care limitează supradimensionarea și încurajează colaborarea IMM-urilor. O măsură simplă, care rezolvă multe posibile probleme, elimininând cauzele pentru care apar.

Să te întreb eu...
Lasa intrebarile de genul asta si lamureste-te cum sta cu incalzirea globala. Ai vazut filmuletele?

E interesant ca majoritatea care crede ca "vai, economia trebuie lasata libera sa zburde" cred si ca "climate change is BS".:)
Dezvoltarea durabilă vine de la sine
Experienta arata ca in majoritatea cazurilor dezvoltarea durabila nu vine de la sine.

E interesant ca majoritatea care crede ca "vai, economia trebuie lasata libera sa zburde" cred si ca "climate change is BS".:)
"climate change because of humans is BS"
Parca suna altfel, nu?

La fel cum Pamantul a iesit singur din Era Glaciara, ce te face sa crezi ca schimbarile climatice nu sunt un proces normal? :)

It's simple: greenhouse gases trap heat into the atmosphere, and we've been pumping an awful lot of greenhouse gases, especially CO2, since the industrial revolution, and especially in the last 50 years. What would one expect to see as a result of this? Higher temperatures correlated to this higher output of greenhouse gases. What does one see? Higher temperatures correlated to this higher output of greenhouse gases.

There is consensus among scientists that global warming is happening and it's happening because of us. Can we be 100% sure it's happening and it's our fault? Obviously not. But based on the data we have, can we say it's highly likely this is happening and is man-made? YES!
The effort has focused on changes observed during the period of instrumental temperature record, when records are most reliable; particularly on the last 50 years, when human activity has grown fastest and observations of the upper atmosphere have become available. The dominant mechanisms to which recent climate change has been attributed all result from human activity. They are:[1]

* increasing atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases
* global changes to land surface, such as deforestation
* increasing atmospheric concentrations of aerosols.

Recent reports from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report have concluded that:

* "Most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations."[2]
* "From new estimates of the combined anthropogenic forcing due to greenhouse gases, aerosols, and land surface changes, it is extremely likely that human activities have exerted a substantial net warming influence on climate since 1750."[1]
* "It is virtually certain that anthropogenic aerosols produce a net negative radiative forcing (cooling influence) with a greater magnitude in the Northern Hemisphere than in the Southern Hemisphere.[1]

The panel, which represents consensus in the scientific community, defines "very likely," "extremely likely," and "virtually certain" as indicating probabilities greater than 90%, 95%, and 99%, respectively.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribution_of_recent_climate_change

Watch those damn videos (especially no. 2) and then read a bit on the subject before you pass on judgment.

And besides, say all this is BS. Does that take away all our incentives to try and clean our industries and drop fossil fuels? No, because it's called progress.

^^ I wouldn't trust the IPCC with watering my plants. :lol:

Really, what makes you thinks that there is a consensus, when most (numerically) of the certified scientists working in a domain relevant to the subject, that have made a public statement of their opinion regarding climate change, are against the notion of MMGW?

Is there climate-change? Yes, it's impossible otherwise, and we have experienced a peak in temperature between 1998-2003, but not more than the Medieval peak. Is it man made? Unlikely, the large majority of climate change (>95%) can't be attributed to man made emissions because they are too insignificant. Do the graphs match the MMGW camps? No, they show a totally different cause-effect picture (Sun=>Temperature=>CO2 dissolution in the oceans changes=>CO2 levels in the atmosphere change). Can a rise in CO2 levels affect the climate? Not within a variance of 200%, solar radiation combined with the storage capacity of the Earth's oceans regulate CO2 levels unless really massive spikes occur (not the case). Is CO2 a good greenhouse gas? No, it's quite pathetic, way less efficient than water vapor (present in much larger quantities, the main greenhouse gas keeping us above freezing), and methane (another very important greenhouse gas).

And I didn't say that there shouldn't be incentives for pollution free technologies, of course there should, as that cleans up the environment, what I am against are stupidly restrictive legislation, like some proposals that are now on the EC desk, like limiting the number of cows, because they fart too much (this one is being seriously taken into consideration), or limitations that massively slow the development of underdeveloped countries, passively killing millions (these ones are in place now). Diverting resources towards MMGW panels is not progress. Actually doing something about cleaner technologies, or non-polluting industry is.

An sustainable development would normally come by itself (with some positive incentives to quicken the pace), because it provides a mid-term benefit (besides the securing your child's future thing). The real problem appears, when you have people that are to immune to virtually anything to care about the future, because it's assured, whatever happens (barring planetary collision or other cataclysmic events).

^^ I wouldn't trust the IPCC with watering my plants. :lol:
Well, you got me there.:dunno: You not trusting the scientists in the IPCC makes me seriously question them.:(

Really, what makes you thinks that there is a consensus, when most (numerically) of the certified scientists working in a domain relevant to the subject, that have made a public statement of their opinion regarding climate change, are against the notion of MMGW?
You're not paying attention at all. Again, please watch video no. 2 if you haven't already, and if you have, than watch it again and again, until you actually get it.

But nevermind, here's TEXT so you can't avoid it, like you did with the video.
This brief report addresses the two primary questions of the survey, which contained up to nine questions (the full study is given by Kendall Zimmerman [2008]):
1. When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?
2. Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing
mean global temperatures?
[...]
Of these specialists, 96.2% (76 of 79) answered “risen” to question 1 and 97.4% (75 of 77) answered yes to question 2. This is in contrast to results of a recent Gallup poll (see http://www.gallup.com/poll/1615/Environment.aspx) that suggests that only 58% of the general public would answer yes to our question 2.

The two areas of expertise in the survey with the smallest percentage of participants answering yes to question 2 were economic geology with 47% (48 of 103) and meteorology with 64% (23 of 36). It seems that the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes.
http://tigger.uic.edu/~pdoran/012009_Doran_final.pdf

Note that this poll had 3146 respondents, of which 79 were scientists that indicated their main area of expertise being climate science, it's these 79 on which I focused, but you can find the results for all respondents at the link given above.

You'll find plenty more info about the consensus at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change#Scientific_consensus

Yes, it's impossible otherwise, and we have experienced a peak in temperature between 1998-2003, but not more than the Medieval peak.
That's bull, sorry.
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7279/dn116482726.jpg
You can find the Medieval peak to the left of the chart, and an article about this myth at http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11644-climate-myths-it-was-warmer-during-the-medieval-period-with-vineyards-in-england.html

As for the rest, please watch those videos, and then read from some real sources, not just conspiracy sites and GW-deniers sites.

An sustainable development would normally come by itself
Reality pretty much proves you wrong.

^^ I wouldn't trust the IPCC with watering my plants. :lol:

Really, what makes you thinks that there is a consensus, when most (numerically) of the certified scientists working in a domain relevant to the subject, that have made a public statement of their opinion regarding climate change, are against the notion of MMGW?

Is there climate-change? Yes, it's impossible otherwise, and we have experienced a peak in temperature between 1998-2003, but not more than the Medieval peak. Is it man made? Unlikely, the large majority of climate change (>95%) can't be attributed to man made emissions because they are too insignificant. Do the graphs match the MMGW camps? No, they show a totally different cause-effect picture (Sun=>Temperature=>CO2 dissolution in the oceans changes=>CO2 levels in the atmosphere change). Can a rise in CO2 levels affect the climate? Not within a variance of 200%, solar radiation combined with the storage capacity of the Earth's oceans regulate CO2 levels unless really massive spikes occur (not the case). Is CO2 a good greenhouse gas? No, it's quite pathetic, way less efficient than water vapor (present in much larger quantities, the main greenhouse gas keeping us above freezing), and methane (another very important greenhouse gas).

And I didn't say that there shouldn't be incentives for pollution free technologies, of course there should, as that cleans up the environment, what I am against are stupidly restrictive legislation, like some proposals that are now on the EC desk, like limiting the number of cows, because they fart too much (this one is being seriously taken into consideration), or limitations that massively slow the development of underdeveloped countries, passively killing millions (these ones are in place now). Diverting resources towards MMGW panels is not progress. Actually doing something about cleaner technologies, or non-polluting industry is.

An sustainable development would normally come by itself (with some positive incentives to quicken the pace), because it provides a mid-term benefit (besides the securing your child's future thing). The real problem appears, when you have people that are to immune to virtually anything to care about the future, because it's assured, whatever happens (barring planetary collision or other cataclysmic events).

:gaah::wallbash::hammer::scouserd::crazy::bash:

Si in afara de asta, 1/4 din toate specile din lume o disparut...

Chiar si albinele nu mai suporta poluarea, si acuma in agricultura se pun probleme de polenizare...

We release all the dangerous molecules (of industry, petrochemistry and agriculture) in the rivers --> seas --> phytoplancton --> fish ---> carnivor fish (the dangerous molecules increase in the muscles and adipocyts) --> less fertility...etc ---> final consum by HUMAN.... cancers, leucemia, less fertility... etc

Same thing with the Ladybird who eat the plants parazites, so the production fall! And you must put more pesticides (from petrochemistry)...etc

My profesors makes reserch in that domain (food safety), and it's frightened, and we don't know anything about de cumulated effect of this hundred of different types of molecules... NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes methan is x22 greenhouse gas effect, and is produced in mass because of us (bovine meat+++, we eat to much, while we could eat 2 times/week, frequently people eat even 1/meal), because of the Rumen bacterias and Unicellulars.
(I'm veterinary medicine student, so I know a little this subject).

Some people say that that cause the same effect or even more than CO2 from cars... So there also, we must make something... (some feed for Bovine, make 30% less methan, but with the China emergence and India ( 3 billion people, we will have a big problem if they turn on rice --> meat)

With the increase of CO2 in atmosphere, the methan of the permafrost (siberia and other cold countries...)is progressively released himself. So There will be an exponential effect unfortunatlly.

ALL THIS IS A GENERAL PROBLEM, so it isn't only one (CO2).

ETC

ETC

ETC

Omul nu are vina?
hum scuza ma, chiar prea de tot!

(scuse me for my poor english)

I'm always amazed at how people are more than happy to ditch the majority of scientists in favor of some stupid conspiracy theories and, at best, a few scientists that hold different opinions (that have already been refuted).

It's not like these people dream something at night, next day they publish a paper detailing their dream and their peers go "oh, well done, Bob! I really believe in you and your dream".:nuts: Scientific method, anyone?:bash:

It's the same with religion, it's the same with 9/11 and it's the same with those moronic HIV denialists. Boggles the mind!:gaah:

Yes, a major part is educational problem...

People don't know that, and I don't know why, but imadiatlly if a contradictor of a general asumed knowledge say something, there is a big mediatisation... But not in the other hand...

argh!

What can you expect if they don't even mention the scientific method in school and what it means. Look at the pharmaceutical industry, no doubt an industry like any other, where people have interests, make mistakes etc., but nonetheless a highly regulated industry, with competent people and lots of billions pumped into R&D that have translated, in the last century, in breakthroughs in disease prevention and healing. But how many really think of that? Most see it as being run by greedy bastards that contribute little to progress.

And what do they turn to? Quack doctors and homeopathy.:nuts: Real drugs can stay years in testing, even when they're desperately needed by patients, but homeopathy has green light. They just have to do a bogus "proving" and that's that... off to packaging and gullible people that have no idea they ingest water and/or sugar. Oscillococcinum has a dilution of 200C, that's a dilution of 10^-400 (or one part active substance in 1-followed-by-400-zeros parts water).:crazy: Not to mention homeopathic remedies are expensive as hell.

Would these people still buy Oscillococcinum if they knew some basic chemistry and what "200C" means? Most likely, not.;)

Chiar si albinele nu mai suporta poluarea, si acuma in agricultura se pun probleme de polenizare...


^^ slightly off topic
http://www.newsweek.com/id/141461/output/print

Note that this poll had 3146 respondents, of which 79 were scientists that indicated their main area of expertise being climate science, it's these 79 on which I focused, but you can find the results for all respondents at the link given above.

Vorbeam de un eșantion de vreo 800, nu de 79, care pot fi aleși într-un anume fel. Pe raportul IPCC apar aproape 60.


That's bull, sorry.
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7279/dn116482726.jpg
You can find the Medieval peak to the left of the chart, and an article about this myth at http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11644-climate-myths-it-was-warmer-during-the-medieval-period-with-vineyards-in-england.html

The graph generation algorithm used to generate that automatically creates a spike at the end (a hockey stick), no matter what data you enter. That was proven years ago.


Reality pretty much proves you wrong.

Actually no, because the destabilizing factor that I was talking about exists, therefore the normality of sustainable development is irrelevant to the current context.

EDIT:
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Uitasem: NPICC Report (Nongovernmental IPCC) - Climate change reconsidered (http://www.heartland.org/publications/NIPCC%20report/PDFs/NIPCC%20Final.pdf)

Vom avea roaming mai ieftin
http://www.ziare.com/Vom_avea_roaming_mai_ieftin-779356.html

Pe vodafone e gratis :cheers:
http://online.vodafone.co.uk/dispatch/Portal/appmanager/vodafone/wrp?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=templateBlank&pageID=OS_0099

^^:cheers:

Un rezumat la rap. NPICC:

Chapter 1 Key Findings

* The IPCC places great confidence in the ability of general circulation models (GCMs) to simulate future climate and attribute observed climate change to anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gases.

* The forecasts in the Fourth Assessment Report were not the outcome of validated scientific procedures. In effect, they are the opinions of scientists transformed by mathematics and obscured by complex writing. The IPCC’s claim that it is making “projections” rather than “forecasts” is not a plausible defense.

* Today’s state-of-the-art climate models fail to accurately simulate the physics of earth’s radiative energy balance, resulting in uncertainties “as large as, or larger than, the doubled CO2 forcing.”

* A long list of major model imperfections prevents models from properly modeling cloud formation and cloud-radiation interactions, resulting in large differences between model predictions and observations.

* Computer models have failed to simulate even the correct sign of observed precipitation anomalies, such as the summer monsoon rainfall over the Indian region. Yet it is understood that precipitation plays a major role in climate change.

Chapter 2 Key Findings

* Scientific research suggests the model-derived temperature sensitivity of the earth accepted by the IPCC is too large. Corrected feedbacks in the climate system could reduce climate sensitivity to values that are an order of magnitude smaller.

* Scientists may have discovered a connection between cloud creation and sea surface temperature in the tropics that creates a “thermostat-like control” that automatically vents excess heat into space. If confirmed, this could totally compensate for the warming influence of all anthropogenic CO2 emissions experienced to date, as well as all those that are anticipated to occur in the future.

* The IPCC dramatically underestimates the total cooling effect of aerosols. Studies have found their radiative effect is comparable to or larger than the temperature forcing caused by all the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations recorded since pre-industrial times.

* Higher temperatures are known to increase emissions of dimethyl sulfide (DMS) from the world’s oceans, which increases the albedo of marine stratus clouds, which has a cooling effect.

* Iodocompounds-created by marine algae-function as cloud condensation nuclei, which help create new clouds that reflect more incoming solar radiation back to space and thereby cool the planet.

* As the air’s CO2 content-and possibly its temperature-continues to rise, plants emit greater amounts of carbonyl sulfide gas, which eventually makes it way into the stratosphere, where it is transformed into solar-radiation-reflecting sulfate aerosol particles, which have a cooling effect.

* As CO2 enrichment enhances biological growth, atmospheric levels of biosols rise, many of which function as cloud condensation nuclei. Increased cloudiness diffuses light, which stimulates plant growth and transfers more fixed carbon into plant and soil storage reservoirs.

* Since agriculture accounts for almost half of nitrous oxide (N2O) emissions in some countries, there is concern that enhanced plant growth due to CO2 enrichment might increase the amount and warming effect of this greenhouse gas. But field research shows that N2O emissions fall as CO2 concentrations and temperatures rise, indicating this is actually another negative climate feedback.

* Methane (CH4) is a potent greenhouse gas. An enhanced CO2 environment has been shown to have “neither positive nor negative consequences” on atmospheric methane concentrations. Higher temperatures have been shown to result in reduced methane release from peatbeds. Methane emissions from cattle have been reduced considerably by altering diet, immunization, and genetic selection.

Chapter 3 Key Findings

* The IPCC claims to find evidence in temperature records that the warming of the twentieth century was “unprecedented” and more rapid than during any previous period in the past 1,300 years. But the evidence it cites, including the “hockey-stick” representation of earth’s temperature record by Mann et al., has been discredited and contradicted by many independent scholars.

* A corrected temperature record shows temperatures around the world were warmer during the Medieval Warm Period of approximately 1,000 years ago than they are today, and have averaged 2-3ºF warmer than today’s temperatures over the past 10,000 years.

* Evidence of a global Medieval Warm Period is extensive and irrefutable. Scientists working with a variety of independent methodologies have found it in proxy records from Africa, Antarctica, the Arctic, Asia, Europe, North America, and South America.

* The IPCC cites as evidence of modern global warming data from surface-based recording stations yielding a 1905-2005 temperature increase of 0.74ºC +/- 0.18ºC. But this temperature record is known to be positively biased by insufficient corrections for the non-greenhouse-gas-induced urban heat island (UHI) effect. It may be impossible to make proper corrections for this deficiency, as the UHI of even small towns dwarfs any concomitant augmented greenhouse effect that may be present.

* Highly accurate satellite data, adjusted for orbit drift and other factors, show a much more modest warming trend in the last two decades of the twentieth century and a dramatic decline in the warming trend in the first decade of the twenty-first century.

* The “fingerprint” or pattern of warming observed in the twentieth century differs from the pattern predicted by global climate models designed to simulate CO2-induced global warming. Evidence reported by the U.S. Climate Change Science Program (CCSP) is unequivocal: All greenhouse models show an increasing warming trend with altitude in the tropics, peaking around 10 km at roughly twice the surface value. However, the temperature data from balloons give the opposite result: no increasing warming, but rather a slight cooling with altitude.

* Temperature records in Greenland and other Arctic areas reveal that temperatures reached a maximum around 1930 and have decreased in recent decades. Longer-term studies depict oscillatory cooling since the Climatic Optimum of the mid-Holocene (~9000-5000 years BP), when it was perhaps 2.5º C warmer than it is now.

* The average temperature history of Antarctica provides no evidence of twentieth century warming. While the Antarctic peninsula shows recent warming, several research teams have documented a cooling trend for the interior of the continent since the 1970s.

Chapter 4 Key Findings

* Glaciers around the world are continuously advancing and retreating, with a general pattern of retreat since the end of the Little Ice Age. There is no evidence of a increased rate of melting overall since CO2 levels rose above their pre-industrial levels, suggesting CO2 is not responsible for glaciers melting.

* Sea ice area and extent have continued to increase around Antarctica over the past few decades. Evidence shows that much of the reported thinning of Arctic sea ice that occurred in the 1990s was a natural consequence of changes in ice dynamics caused by an atmospheric regime shift, of which there have been several in decades past and will likely be several in the decades to come, totally irrespective of past or future changes in the air’s CO2 content. The Arctic appears to have recovered from its 2007 decline.

* Global studies of precipitation trends show no net increase and no consistent trend with CO2, contradicting climate model predictions that warming should cause increased precipitation. Research on Africa, the Arctic, Asia, Europe, and North and South America all find no evidence of a significant impact on precipitation that could be attributed to anthropogenic global warming.

* The cumulative discharge of the world’s rivers remained statistically unchanged between 1951 and 2000, a finding that contradicts computer forecasts that a warmer world would cause large changes in global streamflow characteristics. Droughts and floods have been found to be less frequent and severe during the Current Warm Period than during past periods when temperatures were even higher than they are today.

* The results of several research studies argue strongly against claims that CO2-induced global warming would cause catastrophic disintegration of the Greenland and Antarctic Ice Sheets. In fact, in the case of Antarctica, they suggest just the opposite-i.e., that CO2-induced global warming would tend to buffer the world against such an outcome.

* The mean rate of global sea level rise has not accelerated over the recent past. The determinants of sea level are poorly understood due to considerable uncertainty associated with a number of basic parameters that are related to the water balance of the world’s oceans and the meltwater contribution of Greenland and Antarctica. Until these uncertainties are satisfactorily resolved, we cannot be confident that short-lived changes in global temperature produce corresponding changes in sea level.

Chapter 5 Key Findings

* The IPCC claims the radiative forcing due to changes in the solar output since 1750 is +0.12 Wm-2, an order of magnitude smaller than its estimated net anthropogenic forcing of +1.66 Wm-2. A large body of research suggests that the IPCC has got it backwards, that it is the sun’s influence that is responsible for the lion’s share of climate change during the past century and beyond.

* The total energy output of the sun changes by only 0.1 percent during the course of the solar cycle, although larger changes may be possible over periods of centuries. On the other hand, the ultraviolet radiation from the sun can change by several percent over the solar cycle - as indeed noted by observing changes in stratospheric ozone. The largest changes, however, occur in the intensity of the solar wind and interplanetary magnetic field.

* Reconstructions of ancient climates reveal a close correlation between solar magnetic activity and solar irradiance (or brightness), on the one hand, and temperatures on earth, on the other. Those correlations are much closer than the relationship between carbon dioxide and temperature.

* Cosmic rays could provide the mechanism by which changes in solar activity affect climate. During periods of greater solar magnetic activity, greater shielding of the earth occurs, resulting in less cosmic rays penetrating to the lower atmosphere, resulting in fewer cloud condensation nuclei being produced, resulting in fewer and less reflective low-level clouds occurring, which leads to more solar radiation being absorbed by the surface of the earth, resulting (finally) in increasing near-surface air temperatures and global warming.

* Strong correlations between solar variability and precipitation, droughts, floods, and monsoons have all been documented in locations around the world. Once again, these correlations are much stronger than any relationship between these weather phenomena and CO2.

* The role of solar activity in causing climate change is so complex that most theories of solar forcing must be considered to be as yet unproven. But it would also be appropriate for climate scientists to admit the same about the role of rising atmospheric CO2 concentrations in driving recent global warming.

Chapter 6 investigates and debunks the widespread fears that global warming might cause more extreme weather. The IPCC claims global warming will cause (or already is causing) more droughts, floods, hurricanes, storms, storm surges, heat waves, and wildfires. We find little or no support in the peer-reviewed literature for these predictions and considerable evidence to support an opposite prediction: That weather would be less extreme in a warmer world.

* The IPCC predicts that a warmer planet will lead to more extreme weather, characterized by more frequent and severe episodes of drought, flooding, cyclones, precipitation variability, storms, snow, storm surges, temperature variability, and wildfires. But has the last century - during which the IPCC claims the world experienced more rapid warming than any time in the past two millennia - experienced significant trends in any of these extreme weather events?

* Droughts have not become more extreme or erratic in response to global warming. Real-world evidence from Africa, Asia, and other continents find no trend toward more frequent or more severe droughts. In most cases, the worst droughts in recorded meteorological history were much milder than droughts that occurred periodically during much colder times.

* Floods were more frequent and more severe during the Little Ice Age than they have been during the Current Warm Period. Flooding in Asia, Europe, and North America has tended to be less frequent and less severe during the twentieth century.

* The IPCC says “it is likely that future tropical cyclones (typhoons and hurricanes) will become more intense, with larger peak wind speeds and more heavy precipitation associated with ongoing increase of tropical sea surface temperatures.” But despite the supposedly “unprecedented” warming of the twentieth century, there has been no increase in the intensity or frequency of tropical cyclones globally or in any of the specific oceans.

* A number of real-world observations demonstrate that El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) conditions during the latter part of the twentieth century were not unprecedented in terms of their frequency or magnitude. Long-term records suggest that when the earth was significantly warmer than it is currently, ENSO events were substantially reduced or perhaps even absent.

* There is no support for the model-based projection that precipitation in a warming world becomes more variable and intense. In fact, some observational data suggest just the opposite, and provide support for the proposition that precipitation responds more to cyclical variations in solar activity.

* As the earth has warmed over the past 150 years, during its recovery from the global chill of the Little Ice Age, there has been no significant increase in either the frequency or intensity of stormy weather.

* Between 1950 and 2002, during which time the air’s CO2 concentration rose by 20 percent, there was no net change in either the mean onset date or duration of snow cover for the continent of North America. There appears to have been a downward trend in blizzards.

* Storm surges have not increased in either frequency or magnitude as CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere have risen. In the majority of cases investigated, they have tended to decrease.

* Air temperature variability almost always decreases when mean air temperature rises, be it in cases of temperature change over tens of thousands of years or over mere decades, or even between individual cooler and warmer years when different ENSO states are considered. The claim that global warming will lead to more extremes of climate and weather, including more extremes of temperature itself, is not supported by real-world data.

* Although one can readily identify specific parts of the planet that have experienced both significant increases and decreases in land area burned by wildfires over the last two to three decades of the twentieth century, for the globe as a whole there was no relationship between global warming and total area burned over this period.

Chapter 7 Key Findings

* A 300-ppm increase in the air’s CO2 content typically raises the productivity of most herbaceous plants by about one-third; and this positive response occurs in plants that utilize all three of the major biochemical pathways (C3, C4, CAM) of photosynthesis. For woody plants, the response is even greater. The productivity benefits of CO2 enrichment are also experienced by aquatic plants, including freshwater algae and macrophytes, and marine microalgae and macroalgae.

* The amount of carbon plants gain per unit of water lost-or water-use efficiency-typically rises as the CO2 content of the air rises, greatly increasing their ability to withstand drought. In addition, the CO2-induced percentage increase in plant biomass production is often greater under water-stressed conditions than it is when plants are well watered.

* Atmospheric CO2 enrichment helps ameliorate the detrimental effects of several environmental stresses on plant growth and development, including high soil salinity, high air temperature, low light intensity and low levels of soil fertility. Elevated levels of CO2 have additionally been demonstrated to reduce the severity of low temperature stress, oxidative stress, and the stress of herbivory. In fact, the percentage growth enhancement produced by an increase in the air’s CO2 concentration is often even greater under stressful and resource-limited conditions than it is when growing conditions are ideal.

* As the air’s CO2 content continues to rise, plants will likely exhibit enhanced rates of photosynthesis and biomass production that will not be diminished by any global warming that might occur concurrently. In fact, if the ambient air temperature rises, the growth-promoting effects of atmospheric CO2 enrichment will likely also rise, becoming more and more robust.

* The ongoing rise in the air’s CO2 content likely will not favor the growth of weedy species over that of crops and native plants.

* The growth of plants is generally not only enhanced by CO2-induced increases in net photosynthesis during the light period of the day, it is also enhanced by CO2-induced decreases in respiration during the dark period.

* The ongoing rise in the air’s CO2 content, as well as any degree of warming that might possibly accompany it, will not materially alter the rate of decomposition of the world’s soil organic matter and will probably enhance biological carbon sequestration. Continued increases in the air’s CO2 concentration and temperature will not result in massive losses of carbon from earth’s peatlands. To the contrary, these environmental changes-if they persist-would likely work together to enhance carbon capture.

* Other biological effects of CO2 enhancement include enhanced plant nitrogen-use efficiency, longer residence time of carbon in the soil, and increased populations of earthworms and soil nematodes.

* The aerial fertilization effect of the ongoing rise in the air’s CO2 concentration (which greatly enhances vegetative productivity) and its anti-transpiration effect (which enhances plant water-use efficiency and enables plants to grow in areas that were once too dry for them) are stimulating plant growth across the globe in places that previously were too dry or otherwise unfavorable for plant growth, leading to a significant greening of the Earth.

* Elevated CO2 reduces, and nearly always overrides, the negative effects of ozone pollution on plant photosynthesis, growth and yield. It also reduces atmospheric concentrations of isoprene, a highly reactive non-methane hydrocarbon that is emitted in copious quantities by vegetation and is responsible for the production of vast amounts of tropospheric ozone.

Chapter 8 Key Findings

* The IPCC claims “new evidence suggests that climate-driven extinctions and range retractions are already widespread” and the “projected impacts on biodiversity are significant and of key relevance, since global losses in biodiversity are irreversible (very high confidence).” These claims are not supported by scientific research.

* The world’s species have proven to be remarkably resilient to climate change. Most wild species are at least one million years old, which means they have all been through hundreds of climate cycles involving temperature changes on par with or greater than those experienced in the twentieth century.

* The four known causes of extinctions are huge asteroids striking the planet, human hunting, human agriculture, and the introduction of alien species (e.g., lamprey eels in the Great Lakes and pigs in Hawaii). None of these causes are connected with either global temperatures or atmospheric CO2 concentrations.

* Real-world data collected by the United Nations Environmental Program (UNEP) show the rate of extinctions at the end of the twentieth century was the lowest since the sixteenth century-despite 150 years of rising world temperatures, growing populations, and industrialization. Many, and probably most, of the world’s species benefited from rising temperatures in the twentieth century.

* As long as the atmosphere’s CO2 concentration rises in tandem with its temperature, most plants will not need to migrate toward cooler conditions, as their physiology will change in ways that make them better adapted to warmer conditions. Plants will likely spread poleward in latitude and upward in elevation at the cold-limited boundaries of their ranges, thanks to longer growing seasons and less frost, while their heat-limited boundaries will probably remain pretty much as they are now or shift only slightly.

* Land animals also tend to migrate poleward and upward, to areas where cold temperatures prevented them from going in the past. They follow earth’s plants, while the heat-limited boundaries of their ranges are often little affected, allowing them to also expand their ranges.

* The persistence of coral reefs through geologic time-when temperatures were as much as 10̊-15̊C warmer than at present, and atmospheric CO2 concentrations were two to seven times higher than they are currently-provides substantive evidence that these marine entities can successfully adapt to a dramatically changing global environment.

* The 18- to 59-cm warming-induced sea-level rise that is predicted for the coming century by the IPCC falls well within the range (2 to 6 mm per year) of typical coral vertical extension rates, which exhibited a modal value of 7 to 8 mm per year during the Holocene and can be more than double that value in certain branching corals. Rising sea levels should therefore present no difficulties for coral reefs.

* The rising CO2 content of the atmosphere may induce very small changes in the well-buffered ocean chemistry (pH) that could slightly reduce coral calcification rates; but potential positive effects of hydrospheric CO2 enrichment may more than compensate for this modest negative phenomenon. Real-world observations indicate that elevated CO2 and elevated temperatures are having a positive effect on most corals.

* Polar bears have survived changes in climate that exceed those that occurred during the twentieth century or are forecast by the IPCC’s computer models.

* Most populations of polar bears are growing, not shrinking, and the biggest influence on polar bear populations is not temperature but hunting by humans, which historically has taken a large toll on polar bear populations.

* Forecasts of dwindling polar bear populations assume trends in sea ice and temperature that are counterfactual, rely on unvalidated computer climate models that are known to be unreliable, and violate most of the principles of scientific forecasting.

Chapter 9 Key Findings

* The IPCC alleges that “climate change currently contributes to the global burden of disease and premature deaths” and will “increase malnutrition and consequent disorders.” In fact, the overwhelming weight of evidence shows that higher temperatures and rising CO2 levels have played an indispensible role in making it possible to feed a growing global population without encroaching on natural ecosystems.

* Global warming reduces the incidence of cardiovascular disease related to low temperatures and wintry weather by a much greater degree than it increases the incidence of cardiovascular disease associated with high temperatures and summer heat waves.

* Mortality due to respiratory diseases decrease as temperatures rise and as temperature variability declines.

* Claims that malaria and tick-borne diseases are spreading or will spread across the globe as a result of CO2-induced warming are not supported in the scientific literature.

* Total heat-related mortality rates have been shown to be lower in warmer climates and to be unaffected by rising temperatures during the twentieth century.

* The historical increase in the air’s CO2 content has improved human nutrition by raising crop yields during the past 150 years on the order of 70 percent for wheat, 28 percent for cereals, 33 percent for fruits and melons, 62 percent for legumes, 67 percent for root and tuber crops, and 51 percent for vegetables.

* The quality of plant food in the CO2-enriched world of the future, in terms of its protein and antioxidant (vitamin) contents, will be no lower and probably will be higher than in the past.

* There is evidence that some medicinal substances in plants will be present in significantly greater concentrations, and certainly in greater absolute amounts, than they are currently.

* The historical increase of the air’s CO2 content has probably helped lengthen human lifespans since the advent of the Industrial Revolution, and its continued upward trend will likely provide more of the same benefit.

* Higher levels of CO2 in the air help to advance all three parts of a strategy to resolve the tension between the need to feed a growing population and the desire to preserve natural ecosystems: increasing crop yield per unit of land area, increasing crop yield per unit of nutrients applied, and increasing crop yield per unit of water used.

* Biofuels for transportation (chiefly ethanol, biodiesel, and methanol) are being used in growing quantities in the belief that they provide environmental benefits. In fact, those benefits are very dubious. By some measures, “the net effect of biofuels production ... is to increase CO2 emissions for decades or centuries relative to the emissions caused by fossil fuel use.”

* Biofuels compete with livestock growers and food processors for corn, soybeans, and other feedstocks, leading to higher food prices. Rising food prices in 2008 led to food riots in several developing countries. The production of biofuels also consumes enormous quantities of water compared with the production of gasoline.

* There can be little doubt that ethanol mandates and subsidies have made both food and energy more, not less, expensive and therefore less available to a growing population. The extensive damage to natural ecosystems already caused by this poor policy decision, and the much greater destruction yet to come, are a high price to pay for refusing to understand and utilize the true science of climate change.



Vezi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zABwTwQ-KQ4&feature=player_embedded
00:58 - 1:15 - 31000 savanți au aderat la acest punct de vedere, în scris, cu semnătură.

Imi demonstrezi ca nu citesti/urmatesti deloc materialele pe care le-am postat, asa ca n-o sa mai pierd prea mult timp refutand argumentele pe care le aduci, mai ales din moment ce daca chiar te intereseaza sa-ti formezi o parere bazata pe dovezi, atunci gasesti pe net o groaza de surse cu adevarat avizate si care explica mai bine decat mine fenomenul.

Cu toate astea... mai fac o ultima incercare.:)

Vorbeam de un eșantion de vreo 800, nu de 79, care pot fi aleși într-un anume fel. Pe raportul IPCC apar aproape 60.
1) 800 din aproximativ 20.000 de climatologi, adica 4%. Un procent mai mare din oamenii de stiinta cred intr-un dumnezeu personal, si asta spune mult.:crazy:
2) Sondajul la care am facut referire era online, la care au participat cca. 30-40% din vizitatori (cam cat participa in mod normal la sondaje online), si aia 79 sunt practic expertii, restul fiind oameni de stiinta din diferite domenii, inclusiv meteorologie.

Dar sa lasam sondajele... uite o petitie semnata de aproape 15.000 de oameni de stiinta care-si exprima profunda ingrijorare cu privire la modul in care administratia Bush a tratat problema stiintei si incalzirii globale.
Scientist's Statement on Scientific Integrity

On February 18, 2004, 62 leading scientists--Nobel laureates, leading medical experts, former federal agency directors, and university chairs and presidents--signed a scientist's statement on scientific integrity in policymaking. Over the next four years, 15,000 U.S. scientists voiced their concern about the misuse of science by the George W. Bush administration.

The following is a list of all of the scientists who signed on to the scientists' statement after it was released in 2004. These scientists represent a variety of fields, from engineers to physicists to ecologists to public health officials. All of the signers have experience in the United States scientific community and recognize the importance of scientific integrity and independence. To see a sampling of prominent signatories, click here.

Several scientists do not have an organization listed with their name. These scientists are retired, unaffiliated, or indicated that they preferred not to list their organizations with their signatures on the statement. You may use the form below to search for a colleague or for signers in your state.

If you are a scientist and would like to join us as we work to implement broad reforms, you can declare your support for a new scientist call to action and join the Restoring Scientific Integrity Network here.
http://go.ucsusa.org/RSI_list/index.php?s_last=&s_state=&scientistsPageSize=100

http://www.ucsusa.org/scientific_integrity/solutions/big_picture_solutions/prominent-statement-signatories.html

Vezi si articolul The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change (http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&author1=oreskes&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&fdate=//&tdate=//&resourcetype=HWCIT) din Science.

Si cateva pareri avizate...
There's a better scientific consensus on this [climate change] than on any issue I know - except maybe Newton's second law of dynamics
Things being debated now are details about the models, nobody is debating any more that significant climate changes are coming.
Global warming is almost a no-brainer at this point. You really can't find intelligent, quantitative arguments to make it go away.
Very worried about global warming

Si nu e vorba doar de oameni de stiinta...
We need to stop this dangerous experiment humankind is conducting on the Earth's atmosphere
It's a waste of time to debate it. Policymakers have a responsibility to address it. The nation needs a public policy. We'll adjust
Companies composed of highly skilled and trained people can't live in denial of mounting evidence gathered by hundreds of the most reputable scientists in the world
Risk of climate change is real. It's here. It's affecting our business today
Climate change is a phenomenon that is starting to have a major impact on Swiss Re, its partners and clients. The question is no longer whether global warming is happening, but how it will affect our business, as well as our personal lives
Global warming is on the radar screen of a lot of financial institutions

Atatia oameni de la oameni spun ca incalzirea globala e pe bune si e antropogenica! Si nu vorbesc sa se afle in treaba, au date, au argumente, au dovezi.

Si o mica obervatie la ultimul grafic... cel mai eficient mod de a reduce vaporii de apa e sa reduci emisiile de CO2.

In fine, cand te informezi de pe site-uri gen Prison Planet:nuts: e greu...
The best way to lower temperature and thus reduce water vapor levels is to reduce CO2 emissions.

Last reply...
Un rezumat la rap. NPICC
Ah, good ol' NIPCC (not NPICC!) report.:lol:

Cred ca te intereseaza... http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/11/not-the-ipcc-nipcc-report/

Si inca ceva, conferintele NIPCC sunt sponsorizate de The Heartland Institute, care e cunoscut pentru boroboate precum asta...
In April 2008, environmental journalist Richard Littlemore wrote that a bibliography written by Dennis Avery and posted on Heartland’s Web site, titled "500 Scientists with Documented Doubts of Man-Made Global Warming Scares,”[8] included at least 45 scientists who neither knew of their inclusion as "coauthors" of the article, nor agreed with its claims regarding global warming. Dozens of the scientists asked the Heartland Institute to remove their names from the list; for instance, Gregory Cutter of Old Dominion University wrote, "I have NO doubts... the recent changes in global climate ARE man-induced. I insist that you immediately remove my name from this list since I did not give you permission to put it there." Dr. Robert Whittaker, Professor of Biogeography, University of Oxford wrote "Please remove my name. What you have done is totally unethical!" [9]

In response, the Heartland Institute refused to remove any names from the list. It quoted Dennis Avery saying “Not all of these researchers would describe themselves as global warming skeptics,” said Avery, “but the evidence in their studies is there for all to see.” Heartland’s president, Joseph Bast, wrote “They have no right -- legally or ethically -- to demand that their names be removed from a bibliography composed by researchers with whom they disagree. Their names probably appear in hundreds or thousands of bibliographies accompanying other articles or in books with which they disagree. Do they plan to sue hundreds or thousands of their colleagues? The proper response is to engage in scholarly debate, not demand imperiously that the other side redact its publications.” [10]
Mai multe la... http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/denier-vs-skeptic/denier-myths-debunked/the-heartland-institute/

*cough-cough*
In a statement made by Dr. James McCarthy on March 28, 2007 to the Subcommittee on Investigations and Oversight (House Science Committee), it was disclosed that ExxonMobil contributed a total of $560,000 to the Heartland Institute between 1998 and 2005.

I'm back... :cheers2:

Vreau sa felicit toti bizonii rosii, portocalii, galbeni si restul curcubeului, care si-au f#t#t o parte din timpul liber ca sa se duca la frectia aia...

:applause:

Daca nu ar depinde viitorul si bunastarea noastra de el ...ti-as da dreptate. Dar cand Becali, Vadim si EBA ne reprezinta in PE mie imi vine urlu :ohno:
Inca mai ai puterea sa crezi ca aia lucreaza pentru "viitorul si bunastarea noastra" :doh:

Daca tu crezi ca aia nu intrau cu "votul tau obligatoriu" :lol:

Vorba partidului tau de suflet: "Noi cu noi, ei cu ei" :bash:

adica hotzii de politicieni (de la toate partidele) intre ei si pulimea care cotizeaza cu taxe si impozite si care mai este chemata din cand in cand la vot ca sa-i legitimeze pe pansatii aia.

Vreau sa felicit toti bizonii rosii, portocalii, galbeni si restul curcubeului, care si-au f#t#t o parte din timpul liber ca sa se duca la frectia aia...
Tu cu ce ti-ai f#t#t timpul?:lol:

Tu cu ce ti-ai f#t#t timpul?:lol:
I did essentially the same thing as they did... the only difference is, I have something to show. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk&feature=related) :lol:

;)

@ Ayceman

Staticile de mai sus sunt chiar niste *****, daca vrei, si eu iti fac cu linux un graf foarte fain asa :)
Cum sa-ti spun... cercetatorii nu au obtinut toti nota 10 la examen, sunt unii care trec cu 5... si astia fac parte din iei.... (insa cunosc un stincific Francez, chiar profesor care mai face un pic de politica cu socialistii (Claude Alegre) , care s-o dus in USA sa predea (ma intreb de ce ;) ) pentru ca el zice ca nu este global warming... ai niste prosti peste tot, si probabil va fii si unii in Romania si asa mai departe...

Sa-ti arat graful care face unanimitatea (caluculat cu carote in gheata din groenlanda):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Evolution_du_CO2_depuis_400_000_ans.JPG/400px-Evolution_du_CO2_depuis_400_000_ans.JPG

Utimul graf de al tau insa este APROAPE corect (x10 pentru human effect)! Dar si slab interpretat!
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/4503/gdgraphgazeffetdeserre.jpg

Daca te uiti la asta, sigur ca tot H20 este cel mai mare, daca nu nu am avea o temperatura suportabila pe pamant (ci am avea -20°C in medie), insa, daca rupti echilibrul asta (apa este in todeauna prezenta pe pamant, si adaugi alceva in plus, nu mai este echilibru). Daca face numa o parte minima, nu inseamna cu nu va avea efect mare, pentru ca trebuie sa tii cont de average (H20 si altele) din ainte 1900 sa zicem, si dupa revolutia industriala adaugi 2,9 Watts/m2.

Daca ma amintesc bine cursurile de termodinamica de anul trecut 1Kcal (1 KCal = 1.163 watt-hour) este energia care o pui ca sa treci de la o apa la 14,5°C la 15,5°C (efortul este minim), dar iti trebuie mult mai multa energie ca sa treci de la - 20°C la - 19°C!!!! Zic o prostie, sa zicem 10 Watts...
DECI O SCARA EXPONENTIALA!!!!!!!!!!

Sigur, pina acuma, global warming nu este inca extrem de mare (cam 0,8°C pe linga 1900), dar cei mai optimisti zic +1,5°C in 2050 daca se continua asa, si +3,5 pentru cei mai pesimisti, IN MEDIE, ar putea sa dispara complet calota glaciara in 2030!!!! Vezi deja ca ursii polari mor de foame si probabil specia asta va dispare curind de pe planeta in mediul salbatic (ce-ti trebuie mai mult ca ovada? Vrei neaparat sa fii convins de "cercetatorii" corupti de Texaco?). Trebuie sa distrugem planeta pentru a zice "OK facem o greseala" ? Sau putem anticipa ca niste Homo sapiens (omul care gandeste)?

http://www.aprec.net/images/eco/concentration.gif

Sunt deprimat sa mai aud asa discursuri, sincer...

Cea mai sincera afirmatie a unui "politician" din ultimii 20 de ani... :lol:

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Bineinteles ca a votat pentru EA, toti care ati mers la vot, ati votat pentru EI, nu pentru voi. :ohno:

^^Ok, dar te rog nu mai incerca sa provoci lumea, ca sa va dati iar in cap.:lol:

Exact ce discutam anterior. Greseala si strategia lui Crin: atac la base, atac la base, atac la base :nuts:. Parca eu nu stiu limitele si imbecilitatea marinarului; nu mai amintesc ca sunt super ofticat pentru toata mascarada EBA. Pe mine ma intereseaza voi, PNL, ce-mi oferiti in schimb?! :ohno:

:cheers:
Tariceanu: "PNL este partidul unui proiect, nu partidul impotriva unui politician, fie el si Traian Basescu. (...) PNL nu este insa un partid-cazemata, in care membrilor li se arata fotografia dusmanului, si apoi actioneaza ca niste pitbulli. (...) Romanii rareori ne voteaza pentru a penaliza un partid.
Sa nu cadem in capcana de a deveni partidul anti-prezidential. (...) PNL a inceput sa creasca electoral, doar dupa ce am renuntat sa mai raspund la atacurile politice ale lui Traian Basescu. Romanii au identificat atunci PNL ca fiind partidul care stie sa guverneze, fiind deasupra certurilor politice.
more http://www.ziare.com/Tariceanu_profita_de_rezultatul_PNL_si_il_ataca_pe_Antonescu-779991.html

Crin a fost penibil cand a zis ca era de asteptat ca PNL va pierde pt. ca pentru ei au votat oamenii o singura data, nu de mai multe ori, ca pt. alte partide.:puke:

PS alt pupincurist: http://www.ziua.ro/display.php?data=2009-06-09&id=254257
^^ Mai e nevoie sa discutam daca EBA are ce cauta in politica?! :nuts: Normal ca e orb marinarul .. ca e fiiiiisa :ohno: PENIBIL!



green day 2009-06-09 06:50
Victore cum ai ajuns sa scrii asa ceva?

Victore chiar nu sesizezi absurdul situatiei? Ca singurul merit pe care Eba il are este de a fi fata presedintelui? Nu sint un mare sustinator al lui Pipidi dar are dreptate, perfecta dreptate in ceea ce a zis. Iti recomand sa mai asculti si tu ce zice Mircea Dinescu despre basescu ca il cunoaste bine. Unii intelectuali s-au trezit (Dinescu) altii au inceput sa realizeze ca ceva pute - vezi Cartarescu- dar nu au inca curaj sa recunoasca iar altii ca HRP sint de ne-recunoscut. Nu va obliga nimeni sa ridicati osanale cirmaciului mai bine pastrati-va integritatea si echidistanta. Altfel o sa patiti ce a patit Paunescu la revolutie.

Elena Basescu spune o poezie :)

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5% din telefoanele mobile din România sînt ascultate (http://www.monitorulexpres.ro/?mod=monitorulexpres&p=index&a=citeste&s_id=75677)

Aproximativ 5% dintre telefoanele mobile din România sînt folosite ca dispozitive de ascultare, prin instalarea unui program simplu care nu lasă urme nici pe telefon, nici pe factură, afirmă şeful unui birou de detectivi privaţi de la Milano, citat de revista Newsweek.
O nouă generaţie de programe de spionare ieftine şi uşor de instalat face ca telefoanele mobile să poată fi ascultate foarte uşor şi, mai mult, să fie transformate în dispozitive de ascultare.
Singurul mod prin care o persoană se poate asigura că telefonul său nu funcţionează ca un dispozitiv de înregistrare şi transmitere de date este să-i scoată bateria, potrivit experţilor în securitate.

Elena Basescu are stofa de politician cum am eu stofa de samurai.:)

^^ Să mori tu :nuts: Pe neoficial toată lumea știa asta deja. Dacă mai adaugi înregistrările pe baza legii „Ochiul și timpanul”...

(Vb. de skySK)

5% e enorm. Hai, telefoanele patronilor de firme, membrilor de partide, si a altor persoane asupra carora pot exista interese sa zicem, dar astia nu reprezinta nici 1% din populatie. Cred ca peste 50%(poate chiar spre 75%) din telefoanele mobile apartin tinerilor, care nu cred ca au de ce sa fie ascultati => inseamna ca aprox 1 din 10 adulti romani au telefonul urmarit. Cred ca cifra e mult exagerata...

Becali: "Imunitatea unui europarlamentar este cea mai mare imunitate, mai mare decat cea romaneasca. Este cea mai mare imunitate de pe glob" (http://www.zf.ro/zf-24/becali-imunitatea-unui-europarlamentar-este-cea-mai-mare-imunitate-mai-mare-decat-cea-romaneasca-este-cea-mai-mare-imunitate-de-pe-glob-4503672/)

Dixit! :banana:

Il mai apuca.:lol:
Vadim, refuzand colaborarea cu popularii europeni, in randul carora activeaza si "dusmanii" udemerişti, s-a gandit sa formeze el o noua familie politica: aceea a crestinilor patrioti.
^^Pe mine ma intereseaza mai mult ce o sa faca dobitocul asta in PE. Crestini patrioti... asta lipsea in parlament.:bash:

^^ Să mori tu :nuts: Pe neoficial toată lumea știa asta deja. Dacă mai adaugi înregistrările pe baza legii „Ochiul și timpanul”...

(Vb. de skySK)
Ce nu stie toata lumea e ca telefonul poate fi (si este) ascultat si atunci cand nu vorbesti la el (trebuie doar sa-l tii pornit in buzunar)...
5% e enorm. Hai, telefoanele patronilor de firme, membrilor de partide, si a altor persoane asupra carora pot exista interese sa zicem, dar astia nu reprezinta nici 1% din populatie. Cred ca peste 50%(poate chiar spre 75%) din telefoanele mobile apartin tinerilor, care nu cred ca au de ce sa fie ascultati => inseamna ca aprox 1 din 10 adulti romani au telefonul urmarit. Cred ca cifra e mult exagerata...
Crezi ca doar SRI are interesul si posibilitatea sa te spioneze?:nuts:

2400 monumente in Bucuresti...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAhtK-SUj1o&NR=1

PNL, ce-mi oferiti in schimb?! :ohno:
Nu putem vota cu partidul piratilor? :dunno:

http://images.birthdayinabox.com/BIABviewLarger/JollyRoger.jpg
:rock::rock:

Nu putem vota cu partidul piratilor? :dunno:

Dacă exista în România votam cu ei. :cheers:

Tematica care ii preocupa pe aia din partidul piratilor nu are nici o relevanta in Romania. Pentru cine nu stie, partidul piratilor a aparut in urma sicanelor legale la care au fost supusi operatorii lui http://thepiratebay.org/, in Suedia.

^^Și în România există legislație anti-P2P, dar n-a fost aplicată niciodată pt. că dacă cel acuzat e mai insistent, ar putea fi declarată neconstituțională, sau cel puțin să cadă pt. că este ilogică, referindu-se în mod direct la transferuri de informație gratuite.

Daca e sa urmarim tendintele pe care le urmeaza societatea, tare mi-e frica ca in curand partidele o sa se bata in nume care mai de care mai atragatoare pentru populatia din ce in ce mai inculta a Romaniei (si nu numai): o sa vedem Porno-partidul democrat liberal, Partidul sexy-social democrat si multe altele...

:weird:

^^Și în România există legislație anti-P2P, dar n-a fost aplicată niciodată pt. că dacă cel acuzat e mai insistent, ar putea fi declarată neconstituțională, sau cel puțin să cadă pt. că este ilogică, referindu-se în mod direct la transferuri de informație gratuite.

Cazul alora de la thepiratebay este ridicol de-a dreptul. Au fost condamnati la inchisoare pentru crima organizata, o pedeapsa extrem de dura, si la plata unei amenzi nesimtite de catre un judecator apropiat intereselor corporatiste. Iar judecatorul care trebuia sa decida daca procesul lor a fost corect...

Judge Reviewing Pirate Bay Trial Bias Is Removed for Bias (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/judge-reviewing-pirate-bay-trial-bias-is-removed-for-bias/)

^^ Exact motivul pt. care reacția lor a fost dură.

Eu spuneam că un partid care vrea eliminarea legislației anti-P2P, și poate și eliminarea copyright-ului cu totul, ar putea avea succes în România.

^^ http://www.eucopyright.org/

Nice banner today! :banana::cheers:

^^ yeah ... Bucharest looks naisssss :lol:

Nice banner today! :banana::cheers:
Was about to say just that.:D

:doh:... eu cred ca-l vad pe ala de ieri :lol: BTW ce banner e azi?

Surpriza.:D

O stire ceva mai veche...
http://www.realitatea.net/video_744927_cursul-oltului-a-fost-blocat-la-iesirea-din-miercurea-ciuc-de-200-de-metri-cubi-de-pet-uri_502322.html

“Ce s-a intamplat cu ce este bun in romani ? Cum este posibil ca singura speranta de renastere a spiritului romanesc sa vina de la romanii de peste Prut, care poate ca pretuiesc ceea ce noi am ajuns sa ignoram , sa sfidam , sa desconsideram , tocmai pentru ca procesul de rusificare fortata, sau de transformare a lor in sclavi ai famigliei Voronin, le-a demonstrat cat de valoroase si nepretuite sunt : libertatea individuala, libertatea de exprimare, dreptul de a vota, dreptul la viata.
Romanii din Basarabia scriu istorie pentru tot neamul romanesc.
O fac in felul lor, fara sa fie bagati in seama de presa tabloidizata si manelizata din Romania, care prefera sa dea stiri despre vedeta porno X sau Y. O fac in tacere, o fac insa cu indarjire, stiind ca este singura lor sansa de a le da copiilor lor un viitor in care libertatea sa fie liantul principal . Romanii din Romania si-au consumat toata cantitatea de indarjire, de tenacitate de dorinta de implicare, in zilele lui decembrie 1989.
Avem insa dreptul sa renuntam ? avem insa dreptul sa devenim exclusiv doar critici, doar comentatori, doar spectatori ? avem dreptul sa amanetam viitorul copiilor nostri refuzand sa mergem la vot, devenind lenesi, devenind apatici, devenind penibili atunci cand ne lamentam, vaitam de orice, refuzand sa mai luptam sa mai stam in picioare si sa infruntam greutatile din viata noastra ? Nu avem acest drept.
Uitati-va la romanii din Basarabia. Nu au aproape nici una din libertatile si drepturile noastre de aici din Romania. Tinerii-eroi basarabeni, in care multi dintre cei care acum in Romania au ajuns sa aiba burti prea mari de la KFC sau Mc, se regasesc insa prin raportare la imaginea lor din ‘89, risca sa fie arestati, torturati sau omorati daca prostesteaza impotriva puterii comunisto-mafiote de la Chisinau. O fac insa, fara sa clipeasca, fara sa le fie frica.
Frica vine din stomac, curajul vine din inima si vointa vine din mintea si sufletul omului, asa spunea unui din generalii care il antrena pe Alexandru Cel Mare.
Maretia de a face fapte mari, de a ne ajuta, de a fi solidari, de a ne implica, de a refuza banalul, sta in fiecare dintre noi. Nu cred ca unii se nasc invingatori si altii sunt pur si simplu rebuturi genetice. Doar ca noi aici in Romania, am ajuns niste sclavi ai propriei noastre indolente.
Cred ca politician din noul val, ca romanii din Basarabia fac istorie. Pentru ca vin sa salveze spiritul romanesc. Pentru ca ne spun ” noi avem curajul sa ne opunem presiunilor comuniste, fara sa ne pese daca vom suferi; suferinta este doar pentru cei curajosi, in urma carora ramane ceva cu adevarat puternic in istoria unei natiuni”. Ce exemplu ne dau! Si vai, cat de putini dintre noi realizam acest lucru.
Sa va aduc aminte ca, PSD-ul lui Iliescu sau Nastase visau sa duca Romania exact acolo unde este acum Basarabia ? adica sa ne transforme intr-o tara in care sa muncim pentru bunastarea lor, tara in care ei sa dicteze, sa ne impuna ce sa citim, invatam? Credeti ca este intamplatoare actiunea ampla de indobitocire a romanilor prin mass-media din ultimii 10 ani ? Odata cu informatia fada care ni s-a servit prin presa, spiritul, vointa, clarviziunea noastra au fost distruse incetul cu incetul. Nu mai visam, ni se induce ideea ca nu mai avem energie sa luptam, astfel incat devenim spectatori.
Spectatori la destinul tragic care ni se serveste, intr-un circ roman care insa nu va mai cunoaste painea ci doar spectacolul grotesc.
Ajung si la exemplul opozitiei democratice de la Chisinau. Credeti voi , cei care spuneti ca simtiti lehamite fata de politica romaneasca, ca a fost usor pentru parlamentarii opozitiei sa lupte cu amenintarile fizice, psihice venite din partea comunistilor ? Au fost amenintate si familiile lor, insa NICI UNUL NU A TRADAT . Nu si-a vandut pe arginti sau de frica votul . Au fost uniti, au stat umar langa umar, si au rezistat invingandu-i pe comunisti. Iar acum, alaturi de ei, NATIUNEA BASARABEANA VA RENASTE, pentru ca la alegerile care vor urma, vor veni 200 % la vot, toti moldovenii , care au inteles ca pentru prima oara in istorie, politicienii nu i-au tradat, ci au rezistat, astfel incat este randul lor acum sa dea ultimul asalt asupra redutei comunisto-mafiote si sa-i aplice lovitura de gratie.
Ce fac romanii din Romania ? se umplu de rusine, atunci cand privesc indiferenti la extraordinarul exemplu care vine din Basarabia. De ce oare suntem atat de batuti in cap, incat sa fie nevoie, de fiecare data, sa dam cu capul de prag, sa ne trezim in dictatura, sau in plin stat mafiot in care suntem doar niste marionete, ca sa intelegem iar cat de scumpa este libertatea si sa luptam pentru ea ? Este posibil ca noi, romanii din Romania , sa ajungem atat de indiferenti, de apatici , incat sa permitem ca tara asta si viitorul ei sa fie decis de personaje precum Vanghelie sau Vadim ori Becali ? Istoria ne va judeca, iar istoria va pune pe piedestalul cinstei si a luptei pentru libertate, pe singurii romani care demonstreaza ca romanismul , darzenie, vointa, ard inca puternic in pieptul basarabenilor.
ROMANIA TREZESTE-TE asta este mesajul care ne vine din BASARABIA.
Eu unul l-am receptat si incep sa ma trezesc. Sustin lupta basarabenilor, pentru ca astfel, sustin lupta noastra a romanilor din Romania, pentru drepturile noastre.
Prefer sa nu fiu o leguma , o marioneta, o simpla momaie care zapeaza printre maldarele de informatii manelizate sau tablodizate.

Urban I. Iulian
Senator de Ilfov
Grupul Parlamentar al PDL din Senat
Vicepresedinte al Comisiei Juridice din Senatul Romaniei“
http://sosbasarabia.wordpress.com/2009/06/03/sustin-lupta-basarabenilor-pentru-ca-astfel-sustin-lupta-noastra-a-romanilor-din-romania-declaratia-senatorului-roman-urban-iulian/#comments

Trist, dar adevarat. Romanii si-au pierdut spiritul revolutiei (metaforic vorbind, in sensul organizarii elitelor sociale in manifestari publice care sa ceara in mod autentic schimbari radicale in bine in politic, social etc) in cativa ani dupa 'Revolutie'. S-a instalat un spirit foarte comercial, individualist, in care indivizii sunt axati numai pe mecanismele pietelor in scopul producerii de resurse si a consumului. Atitudinea civica, nefiind productiva imediat si direct asupra individului cu initiativa, a fost intr-un mod pragmatic si calculat pusa deoparte. Intr-adevar, romanii din Romania au multe lucruri care lipsesc celor din Basarabia, dar egoismul nu a fost niciodata o virtute in societatile de succes.

E trist sa vad atata indiferenta fata de problemele basarabenilor atat in randul majoritatii romanilor, cat si in randul politicienilor, unii chiar atacand initiativele institutionale de sprijin a acestora.

Nu inteleg de ce compara deontologii nostri Partij voor de Vrijheid din Olanda cu PRM. :dunno:

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Asta e "scuza" analistilor: nu va luati de Vadim, ca vezi ca in Olanda aia au iesit pe locul 2.

P.S. Mi-a placut de el in Religulous. :D

Wilders e un idiot. S-a intalnit cu idiotul nr. 1 din SUA, O'Reilly... le sta bine impreuna.:D Cu toate astea nu trebuia dat afara din UK.:ohno:

Apropo... sunt 90% de acord cu Pat Condell.
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Pentru cei care inteleg franceza, m-am enervat putin cu un francez timpit si pretensios :bash:

http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/Discussions/Actualite/adhesion-roumanie-bulgarie-sujet_59549_4.htm#t18780324 (http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/Discussions/Actualite/adhesion-roumanie-bulgarie-sujet_59549_4.htm#t18780324)

Noroc ca nu toti gandesc asa...

Trist, dar adevarat. Romanii si-au pierdut spiritul revolutiei (metaforic vorbind, in sensul organizarii elitelor sociale in manifestari publice care sa ceara in mod autentic schimbari radicale in bine in politic, social etc) in cativa ani dupa 'Revolutie'. S-a instalat un spirit foarte comercial, individualist, in care indivizii sunt axati numai pe mecanismele pietelor in scopul producerii de resurse si a consumului. Atitudinea civica, nefiind productiva imediat si direct asupra individului cu initiativa, a fost intr-un mod pragmatic si calculat pusa deoparte. Intr-adevar, romanii din Romania au multe lucruri care lipsesc celor din Basarabia, dar egoismul nu a fost niciodata o virtute in societatile de succes.

E trist sa vad atata indiferenta fata de problemele basarabenilor atat in randul majoritatii romanilor, cat si in randul politicienilor, unii chiar atacand initiativele institutionale de sprijin a acestora.

100% de acord

Pentru cei care inteleg franceza, m-am enervat putin cu un francez timpit si pretensios :bash:

http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/Discussions/Actualite/adhesion-roumanie-bulgarie-sujet_59549_4.htm#t18780324 (http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/Discussions/Actualite/adhesion-roumanie-bulgarie-sujet_59549_4.htm#t18780324)

Noroc ca nu toti gandesc asa...

^^ un cretin ... mama ce de gaz vom avea :nuts: si nici nu stiam. Si vom pune presiune pe Franta :nuts: :lol:

^^ un cretin ... mama ce de gaz vom avea :nuts: si nici nu stiam. Si vom pune presiune pe Franta :nuts: :lol:

care-i ideea generala?

ceva cam asa zice:

"Am avut de facut Buisness cu tarile de Est, mai ales Romania si Bulgaria.

Tot ce pot spune, este ca sint tari foarte diferite de Ungaria, Polonia, Slovacia, Estonia... mai apropiate de Serbia si Grecia, pentru ca spiritul Turcesc este foarte prezent. Tot este negociabil... Coruptia este presenta la toate nivelele, mai special in Romania unde toata lumea este hot de natura...

Este trist ca am facut sa intre aceasta tara in UE, si retroactiv si Grecia.
Pentru ca ei nu o sa schimbe nimica, dar noi care suntem in UE, o sa trebuiasca sa trecem deasupra valorile noastre. Sint nationalisti si ne urasc.

UE este pentru ei numa un mijloc de a ne fura bani, nimica alceva. Sunt aliati numai cu Americanii, care au o prezenta considerabila acolo.

Informativ, Romania o obtinut o decizie internationala care priveste majoritatea platoului continental al Marii Negre in detrimentul Rusiei si Ukrainiei. Protejata de o baza NATO 100% US, rezervele de gaz de acolo ar putea depasii ceele Norvegiei

Deci tara asta o sa inceapa probabil sa influenteze cu acest argument si o sa gastige putere in UE. Sa speram ca nu o sa lasam asa ceva sa se faca. Dar putem sa avem incredere in Bruxelles? "

(scuze pentru greseli in limba romana)

Am citit postul respectivului in franceza si nu pot decat sa-ti dau dreptate, e un idiot!

mai special in Romania unde toata lumea este hot de natura...
Cu asta m-a convins de ce are in capatana.:okay:

ceva cam asa zice:

"Am avut de facut Buisness cu tarile de Est, mai ales Romania si Bulgaria.

Tot ce pot spune, este ca sint tari foarte diferite de Ungaria, Polonia, Slovacia, Estonia... mai apropiate de Serbia si Grecia, pentru ca spiritul Turcesc este foarte prezent. Tot este negociabil... Coruptia este presenta la toate nivelele, mai special in Romania unde toata lumea este hot de natura...

Tarile sunt diferite dar acum depinde cat de "foarte" a acel foarte. Si Scilia e "foarte" diferita de Finlanda dar ambele sunt in UE. Coruptia e o problema....nimic de zis...dar nu e problema romaneasca sau bulgareasca sau chiar turceasca...(a urmarit cineva recentele cazuri din parlamentul Britanic?)

Este trist ca am facut sa intre aceasta tara in UE, si retroactiv si Grecia.
Pentru ca ei nu o sa schimbe nimica, dar noi care suntem in UE, o sa trebuiasca sa trecem deasupra valorile noastre. Sint nationalisti si ne urasc.

Propaganda pura si ma indoiesc ca idiotul asta a clacat prin Romania (sau Grecia ori Bulgaria)...Noi sunt nationalisti si ii uram pe ei...adica pe francezi??? :lol: Hai ca am trait s-o aud si pe asta. Romania e probabil, dupa Belgia, cea mai francofila tara europeana.

UE este pentru ei numa un mijloc de a ne fura bani, nimica alceva. Sunt aliati numai cu Americanii, care au o prezenta considerabila acolo..

Se refera la fondurile Europene??? Pai atunci si Spania si Irlanda si Portugalia si nu mai stiu cati altii sunt hoti pentru ca si ei au primit si inca mai primesc fonduri UE....o remarca absurda.

Informativ, Romania o obtinut o decizie internationala care priveste majoritatea platoului continental al Marii Negre in detrimentul Rusiei si Ukrainiei. Protejata de o baza NATO 100% US, rezervele de gaz de acolo ar putea depasii ceele Norvegiei..

Este foarte prost informat...."decizia internationala" a fost doar in defavoarea Ucrainei (Rusia n-are nicio legatura)...."Protejata de of baza Americana"...nici nu stiu ce sa zic....doar ca sunt foarte puternici americanii daca sunt capabili sa protejese 100% Romania cu o mana de soldati....jos palaria.

Ar fi superb sa fie atat de mult gaz in platoul continental!!!!

Deci tara asta o sa inceapa probabil sa influenteze cu acest argument si o sa gastige putere in UE. Sa speram ca nu o sa lasam asa ceva sa se faca. Dar putem sa avem incredere in Bruxelles? "

In Bruxelles nu se poate avea incredere....e controlat de tari ca Romania iar Franta e pur si simplu marginalizata....:lol:

Da, am raspuns cam la fel...

Dar am adaugat ca daca Romania are rezerve chiar asa de considerabile, ar fii mai bine sa fie UE independenta din punct de vedere energetic de Rusia

Belgia este legata chiar mai mult de USA ca Romania, si franta o revenit acuma si ea in NATO, deci anti-americanismul este cam prost situat...

Mai bine face franta buisness cu Romania decit cu China care ne aduce o gramada de prostii nocive si nu respecta nici o masura europeana in aspectele sanatatii, mediului, social...etc

Multe multinationale Franceze trag profit din saracia Romaneasca (Renault cu Dacia, de 10 ori mai ieftin, cind tot are aproape acelas pret decit in Vest, si nu sint chiar cei de plans mai mult)...etc

Nici eu nu prea cred ca a calcat vreo data in Romania... Dar mai degraba o vazut o emisiune la televizor cu tiganii si poate coruptia, dar in Franta spiritul latin este si acolo chiar destul de dezvoltat...


Eu atat imi permit citeo data sa fac o critica cu voi pe forum despre cum merg treburile, dar francezii cind se baga, nu suport, si spirittul meu patriot revine la putere :)

Adevarul e ca Romania mult mai aproape de SUA decat de Franta, insa dupa cate tepe ne-a tras Franta in utima suta de ani, nu e mare surpriza. Tocmai abandonam modelul statal francez, ultracentralizat si megabirocratic pe care liberalii l-au ales pentru Romania inainte si dupa independenta, iar romanii nu sunt in proportie de 40% vorbitori de limba franceza, mai degraba 10-15% si aia in majoritate ceva mai in varsta.

She was moving freely between Romania and the West and we all know what opportunities she found outside. What the hell you blabbering about? And the filler article you claim is proof that's she is better understood in the West, if you notice, speaks of only one defining moment: she had some time on stage with some jazz legends, an honour she probably has in common with and another 2000 singers. In Romania she gets infinitely more recognition and respect, people here know her, write about her, she gets to be on TV, she's invited to festivals etc, but of course, that doesn't compare with one crappy article in the English press.

PS I repeat: What the hell are you blabbering about?



Why is it that you're not just a stupid duck ... you're an aggressive dickhead?! Can't you just have a normal conversation? What is it that you want to prove here?! Who the fuck had you so frustrated?! Have life duckhead :ohno:

iar romanii nu sunt in proportie de 40% vorbitori de limba franceza, mai degraba 10-15% si aia in majoritate ceva mai in varsta.

E drept cam nu mai este 40%, dar a fost, cei mai in varsta insa (vorbesc de bunicii mei, au invatat ruseste).

E drept cam nu mai este 40%, dar a fost, cei mai in varsta insa (vorbesc de bunicii mei, au invatat ruseste).

Franceza a pierdut si va mai pierde teren in fata limbii engleze (si nu numai in Romania)...am inteles ca asta e un subiect sensibil in Franta.

Sensibila, nu stiu, nu mi se pare ca preocupa oamenii in general, mai mult citva intelectuali sau chiar politicieni, dar intr-adevar pierde tot mai mult teren, in afara poate de Parlamentul European, unde se votbeste foarte mult franceza...

Mi-ar place sa se mai vorbeasca franceza in Romania, macar pentru prietena mea cind vine in Romania :)
Cred ca daca ar vorbii lumea franceza mai mult, am putea poate chiar venii sa traim acolo...

studentii francezi care nu au reusit concursul la medicina plec la Cluj intr-o sectie in limba franceza, acest an se asteapta 1000 de candidaturi...

FR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpJ9jwPyJH8&feature=fvsr

ENGL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_INbu1MKdM&NR=1

^^ pai parca erau eminenti ... nu rebuturi :nuts:

lol

Why is it that you're not just a stupid duck ... you're an aggressive dickhead?! Can't you just have a normal conversation? What is it that you want to prove here?! Who the fuck had you so frustrated?! Have life duckhead :ohno:

When you imply I was singing songs of praise to the Securitate and it's collaborationists I think I'm entitled to ask what the hell are you blabbering about. Try not to enter an argument with your stupid straw-man tricks and maybe I will not ask you what the hell are you blabbering about. What the hell are you blabbering about, do you understand?

When you imply I was singing songs of praise to the Securitate and it's collaborationists I think I'm entitled to ask what the hell are you blabbering about. Try not to enter an argument with your stupid straw-man tricks and maybe I will not ask you what the hell are you blabbering about. What the hell are you blabbering about, do you understand?

WhoTF said you was singing songs?! Do you read what I write?! :ohno: cosmin got my message

Well, it depends on your age and social status, but starting from zero is not something I'd consider a handicap, not even today, let alone during the commie decades.

cosmin, not that long time ago when I left the country:lol:, you needed visa for everything. You could not work full-time, you could only apply for part-time or self-employed work etc etc etc Imagine though how it must have been back in those days - 80's! Nowadays is so easy :nuts: You just grab your buletin and EU allows you to study anywhere within the union for a discounted rate; and you can work, or travel or whatever ... Even more, if you're on low income (almost every EEuropean is): my girlfriend hasn't paid a penny. The local council covered all the costs. And if you're from outside EU will cost you £11,900:nuts: per annum http://www.csm.arts.ac.uk/courses/undergraduate/fashion.htm# Myself, even though I passed the tests and the interviews, I could not afford a master at Imperial College - was £17k. And I wouldn't do a master just to ... :nuts:do a master. I got one already:D. At the same time you need to work so you can pay expensive bills. It's not that easy. And it's not the work you put in. It's the distance, the cultural barriers ... it's hard ... trust me :cheers:

Speaking of France :colgate:

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/files/images/090610_sarkozy.jpg

WhoTF said you was singing songs?! Do you read what I write?! :ohno: cosmin got my message

But I suppose we need to admire those who stayed as and kissed Securitate’s ass while most Romanians were killing each other for 100 g of stinky … pariser yeah ...viva aRss lickers ...

Text comprehension is not your strong point, I guess, I'm sure you have other talents.

tomis ...nu ne-ai spus cum le merge la a lor tai in RO. Parca s-au intors in Brasov?! Cum e? Sunt tare curios !!!! :)

Text comprehension is not your strong point, I guess, I'm sure you have other talents.
But I suppose we need to admire those who stayed as and kissed Securitate’s ass while most Romanians were killing each other for 100 g of stinky … pariser yeah ...viva aRss lickers ...

... era vorba de alti artisti :nuts::ohno: ^^ Da, am talentul de-ti tolera abjectiile si a nu ma enerva ... prea tare :)

^^
cosmin got my message
^^
I agree, but c'mon, not everybody stayed to kiss Securitate's ass.:) Wtf? Many felt (and are still feeling) more attached to the country, without being mindless nationalist drones. In the '80s my father was asked if he wanted asylum in the Netherlands (he was already there) and he refused. I don't blame him, even though I know I'd have probably said yes if I were him. To each his own (everybody should live where he wants/feels good).

... era vorba de alti artisti :nuts::ohno: ^^ Da, am talentul de-ti tolera abjectiile si a nu ma enerva ... prea tare :)

Ha, ha, ha. Text comprehension is really not your thing.

IT WASN'T ABOUT YOU ... that's quite clear to me and cosmin :) why is it not for you ?! :?
:lol: You're sooo vain ... you're probably think SSC is all about you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B7bVD_DkM4

IT WASN'T ABOUT YOU ... that's quite clear to me and cosmin :) why is it not for you ?! :?
:lol: You're sooo vain ... you're probably think SSC is all about you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B7bVD_DkM4

I find it funny you still don't comprehend, but I'm still not going to explain it to you :).

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whazaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!! :lol:
When you imply I was singing songs of praise to the Securitate and it's collaborationists I think I'm entitled to ask what the hell are you blabbering about.

tomis ...nu ne-ai spus cum le merge la a lor tai in RO. Parca s-au intors in Brasov?! Cum e? Sunt tare curios !!!! :)

It's sort of a mixed bag..

Doar mama si sora s-au mutat acolo (dar nu locuiesc inca in Brasov sa nu e gata casa)...tata cred ca se muta si el anul viitor (momentan se pregateste de o "vacanta" de doua luni).

Mama s-a acomodat destul de bine (dar a spus ca primele sase or so luni au fost foarte grele).

Sora e foarte alintata si se plange de obsolut orice. Momentan nu-i place scoala (ca-i prea grea :nuts:) dar in general e ok...are prieteni si mai multa libertate de miscare.

Tata e optimist in general dar a avut si multe momente neplacute (in pare parte cauzate de arhitecti/muncitori neseriosi....mai ales de muncitori care in unele cazuri au dat dovada de indolenta crasa). In schimb e foarte incantat de afacerile (in mare cu terenuri) pe care le-a facut in ultimii doi ani.

Eu incerc sa-i mai temperez entuziasmul (si economic si politic) dar el e cam naiv si pesimismul meu pare sa nu-l afecteze.

Cred ca-n mare parte mutarea a fost reusita...n-a fost in succes fenomenal dar nici n-au ajuns sa spuna ca-n Romania nu se poate trai. Ramane de vazut cu se vor descurca cand vor deschide pensiunea in Brasov. We'll see.


In the mean time....cateva poze cu sora alintata

Cred ca avea vreo 4 ani aici....in St. Augustine

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Acum vreo 2 ani...tot in Florida...cred.

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whazaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!! :lol:

But I suppose we need to admire those who stayed as and kissed Securitate’s ass while most Romanians were killing each other for 100 g of stinky … pariser yeah ...viva aRss lickers ...

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E o emisiune foarte haioasa pe Realitatea. Au facut PSD-ul si PDL-ul alegerile astea prastie, peste 2600 de votanti pe listele speciale la Urlati :lol:

^^O sa se discute 2-3 zile despre asta si dupa asta uita iar toti. La alegerile urmatoare o sa fie la fel sau mai rau.:dunno:
When you imply I was singing songs of praise to the Securitate and it's collaborationists I think I'm entitled to ask what the hell are you blabbering about.
You sure like to pick fights.:bash: Where did he say you kissed Securitate's ass? Were you an artist? The distinction between the part were he talks about artists and the part where he talks about the general population is quite clear I think.

That's why I said not everybody (artists) kissed Securitate's ass, some of them stayed because they were too attached to this country, which reminded of my father, even though he wasn't an artist (but an economist).

And please (both of you), next time don't start throwing foul words at each other. Wth?:)

^^O sa se discute 2-3 zile despre asta si dupa asta uita iar toti. La alegerile urmatoare o sa fie la fel sau mai rau.:dunno:

You sure like to pick fights.:bash: Where did he say you kissed Securitate's ass? Were you an artist? The distinction between the part were he talks about artists and the part where he talks about the general population is quite clear I think.

That's why I said not everybody (artists) kissed Securitate's ass, some of them stayed because they were too attached to this country, which reminded of my father, even though he wasn't an artist (but an economist).

You seem to be stuck like Nebunul on the same word, it's not actually singing. To sing songs of praise, to sing praises = to praise someone highly. Now read again what Nebunul was saying. Better yet, he's the quote from his response

But I suppose we need to admire those who stayed as and kissed Securitate’s ass while most Romanians were killing each other for 100 g of stinky … pariser yeah ...viva aRss lickers ...

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cosmin ...ai inteles bine :cheers:
toxicduck ... I got your point, OK?! :nuts: :cheers:

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Sorry, but that's not the point. You both miss it completely.

But I suppose we need to admire those who stayed as and kissed Securitate’s ass while most Romanians were killing each other for 100 g of stinky … pariser yeah ...viva aRss lickers ...

Ramane de vazut cu se vor descurca cand vor deschide pensiunea in Brasov. We'll see.

Garantat va fi OK. La cate pensiuni vai mama lor rezista din lipsa de concurenta, cu mentalitate si servicii made'n USA se vor descurca fain. Deci la capitolul clientela nici nu se pune problema; mai ales ca romanii cheltuie destul de mult in concedii. Cu birocratia si actele etc va fi mai greu dar cred ca deja au inceput sa se acomodeze. Plus ca in ultimii ani s-au mai schimbat lucrurile si la noi. Oricum bafta!
PS vorbeam cu niste americani deunazi care au de gand sa viziteze RO. Au fost cam prin toata CE si acu' vine si randul nostru. Cand le-am aratat poze din diferite zone ale tarii au ramas blocati :nuts: Cica" la noi mergi 2000km si vezi aceleasi chestii" :lol:

Hai ca si SUA e o tara frumoasa, au de toate.:)

Hai ca si SUA e o tara frumoasa, au de toate.:)

E vorba de dimensiuni. E foarte multa varietate in Romania.

Hai ca si SUA e o tara frumoasa, au de toate.:)

Ahhh sigur ... dar daca faci 1000 de km in RO vezi cel putin 5 stiluri arhitecturale, 5 feluri de bucate, 5 porturi traditionale etc ...

Ahhh sigur ... dar daca faci 1000 de km in RO vezi cel putin 5 stiluri arhitecturale, 5 feluri de bucate, 5 porturi traditionale etc ...

Mult mai multe

http://www.eliznik.org.uk/RomaniaEthno/maps/Romania.gif

Ehh sigur ... am zis 5 asa la ghici
BTW am mai postat odata link-ul. Mi se pare un site foarte fain realizat: www.romanianmonasteries.org

Hai ca si SUA e o tara frumoasa, au de toate.:)

Sunt cateva state foarte frumoase....Florida, California, Oregon, Washington si Carolinele (care seamana pe alocuri cu Romania)....asta din ce am vazut eu. Dar California e cea mai frumoasa....un stat absolut superb...mai ales partea de nord care e inca destul de salbatica.

^^ + Hawaii, Alaska...

^^ + Hawaii, Alaska...

N-am fost....dar in Hawaii ma duc peste aprox 10 zile. :)

salbatica.

Apropo, americanii de care zic eu sunt din Minnesota. Tipu' e simpatic:) Zice odata: "cica am fost cu un amic la Boundary Waters sa ne dam in barci. N-am vazut tipenie de om in doua saptamani. Numa' biiig bear shit" :lol:

^^Looks nice...:)
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Apropo, americanii de ca zic eu sunt din Minnesota. Tipu' e simpatic:) Zice odata: "cica am fost cu un amic la Boundary Waters sa ne dam in barci. N-am vazut tipenie de om in doua saptamani. Numa' biiig bear shit" :lol:

N-am ajuns pe acolo...doar in Chicago. Si eu am cunoscut cativa americani din zona si mi s-au parut foarte simpatici...mult mai agreabili fata de new yorkezi sau sudisti.

Am aflat ca Garrison Keillor este considerat quintessentially Minnesotan.

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Ehh sigur ... am zis 5 asa la ghici
BTW am mai postat odata link-ul. Mi se pare un site foarte fain realizat: www.romanianmonasteries.org

very nice

http://www.romanianmonasteries.org/images/maramures/lifeandstyle/vaduizei/Vadu-Izei4.jpg

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http://www.airliners.net/photo/1537354/L/&sid=7e33fcf65704c1daf49ceb715c14ec54

^^WOW! :drool:

WHO: Swine flu pandemic has begun, 1st in 41 years (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090611/ap_on_he_me/un_un_swine_flu;_ylt=AoB8H33RBKEfqoA7N7ld4LWs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTJncW1tcG00BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkwNjExL3VuX3VuX3N3aW5lX2ZsdQRjcG9zAzEEcG9zAzMEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yeQRzbGsDZnVsbG5ic3BzdG9y)

^^ It's a pathetic pandemic though (luckily for us). 30000 cases after so much time and only 141 deaths. Pandemics have killed hundreds of thousands or millions in the past.

I find that the WHO alert levels are flawed by not being regionalized. It's now a level 6, because there are epidemics on more than one continent (N and S America, Oceania), but level 6 prevention methods shouldn't be implemented in all the world. Increased alertness at the borders to prevent a spread to other continents was already in effect from level 5.

'Sindromul Dorel' in Bucuresti: cum sa sapi o groapa in jurul unei Honde. :D

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2524/sindromuldorel.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/i/sindromuldorel.jpg/)

PARIS AIR SHOW: A350 XWB ready to rock (FlightGlobal) (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/06/05/327500/paris-air-show-a350-xwb-ready-to-rock.html)
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click to enlarge

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wow....love the cockpit....can't wait for PMDG or Level D to model this for FS.

For this and the Boeing 787.:D

For this and the Boeing 787.:D

that too....but I like the vintage stuff as well. Have you ever flown the Tupolev 154M from Project Tupolev?

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that too....but I like the vintage stuff as well. Have you ever flown the Tupolev 154M from Project Tupolev?
Only briefly, but I know it, and it's great. PMDG 737NG was my thing.:D And also a bit of Fokker 70/100 and 747-400.

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Airports of choice...

Paris - CDG
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Vienna - Schwechat
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http://www.youtube.com/v/YoI28n6DZDI&hl=fr&fs=1&

The 737NG is my favorite as well and it looks great in the Tarom livery. But going back to the Tupolev 154M, I can't believe that plane is freeware...it's better modeled than 95% of payware planes...incredible stuff...I just can't get enough of the communist style knobs and lights and sounds.

^^It was too complex for me to get into (learn "it")... that's why I only "tested" it so to say. For day-to-day simming I had the 737-700, complete with checklists, charts and all.:)

Now I have nothing...:lol:

^^It was too complex for me to get into (learn "it")... that's why I only "tested" it so to say. For day-to-day simming I had the 737-700, complete with checklists, charts and all.:)

Now I have nothing...:lol:

I know...it took me weeks just to learn the star-up procedure...I still can't say I've mastered it...navigating is still a problem.

Do you know a bit of Russian?

Fokker 70/100 and 747-400.


Airports of choice...

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The Fokker, if you referring to the one made my Digital Aviation, is such a frame rate hog.

I have both airports and I also like LOWW very much. FlyTampa makes some incredible airports. Have you seen their TNCM?

Do you know a bit of Russian?

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The Fokker, if you referring to the one made my Digital Aviation, is such a frame rate hog.
I don't remember...

Have you seen their TNCM?
Yeah, but there's not that much to TNCM in FS, since it's quite a small airport. That one's impressive only in real life.:rock:

I learned a bit of Russian, especially technical terms, from Flanker 2.0/Lock On.:lol:

'Sindromul Dorel' in Bucuresti: cum sa sapi o groapa in jurul unei Honde. :D

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2524/sindromuldorel.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/i/sindromuldorel.jpg/)

^^ Big LOL!

În timpul meu liber, fac ce vreau!“ Cu acest răspuns opărit, doamna Ana Maria Pătru, vicepreşedintă a Autorităţii Electorale Permanente şi membră a Biroului Electoral Central, nu numai că a doborât un nou record naţional al tupeului, dar a reuşit să-i facă şi pe acei câţiva români care s-au dus la vot să se întrebe ce dracu au căutat ei în toată această mascaradă. Până şi ultraşii politici trebuie să fi înţeles că poziţia doamnei Pârvu echivalează cu cea a unui arbitru de fotbal şi că este ceva putred dacă după meci arbitrul merge la chef cu una dintre echipe.

Chefuind cu PD-L la restaurantul Pescăruş, imediat după închiderea urnelor, această doamnă, al cărei rol ar fi trebuit să fie acela de judecător neutru în procesul electoral, a compromis grav ideea de alegeri libere.

Răul comis de d-na Pârvu este la fel de grav ca cel făcut, în 2004, după turul întâi al prezidenţialelor, de preşedintele BEC, Emil Gherguţ, care se trezise să-l atace, cu o irespon*sa**bilitate veselă, pe candidatul Traian Băsescu. Bălmăjeala senilă de atunci a gherguţului i-a servit perfect d-lui Băsescu: lumea a înţeles că Adrian Năs*tase fura alegerile şi că dl. Băsescu avea dreptate să ceară destituiri şi arestări în Biroul Electoral. Şi atunci, de ce n-a recuzat-o, duminică seara, dl. Băsescu de la masă pe gherguţa de tip nou?! Poate pentru că nici locul preşedintelui ţării nu era acolo, la o masă de partid. Poate pentru că, în România, respectarea regulilor, a instituţiilor şi a statului de drept este doar o sintagmă goală de conţinut, folosită drept şablon pentru a prosti mulţimea alegătoare. Poate pentru că ideea de independenţă, de echidistanţă, de nepartizanat politic a fost batjocorită de însăşi familia prezidenţială, începând cu intervenţia brutală a d-lui Băsescu în conducerea PD-L şi terminând cu şarada penibilă a candidaturii lui EBA.

„În timpul meu liber, fac ce vreau”. Asta o spune un om foarte tânăr, de 32 de ani, care-şi înşiră în CV un pomelnic de facultăţi, masterate, specializări şi un doctorat. Toate aceste şcoli hăpăite pe nerăsuflate n-au învăţat-o însă nimic. Mai im*por**tantă, pentru domnia sa, a fost şcoala vieţii, sub tutela doamnei Udrea, care i-a conturat „abilităţile şi competenţele sociale: capacitatea de a face faţă diferitelor situaţii din organizaţie, de a mă adapta la diferite culturi, tradiţii, obiceiuri” (citat din CV). Pentru cei care au urmărit imaginile de la Pescăruş, nu mai e nicio urmă de îndoială ce înseamnă tradiţie şi obiceiuri în România: puşca şi cureaua lată, pupatul condurului, slugărnicia, hăhăitul tutelar şi spiritul de clan.

Aceşti domni şi doamne, puşi în funcţii pe criterii politice, care merg la serviciu până la ora 21 pentru ca apoi să-şi schimbe înfăţişarea precum Dr. Jekyll şi Mr. Hyde, mimează independenţa la fel de prost precum Elena Băsescu. Instituţiile echidistante ale statului sunt profund viciate de algoritm politic, de la Autoritatea Electorală la CNSAS sau Curtea Con*sti*tu*ţională. Aceasta face ca oamenii puşi în aceste posturi-cheie să aibă spinările moi ca plastilina în faţa celor care-i ţin în sfori. De remarcat, în acelaşi timp, nesimţirea şi tu*peul cu care te tratează atunci când le pui întrebări. Cu siguranţă că „faci o campanie” împotriva lor, vrând, de fapt, să loveşti, „în ştim noi cine”. Privesc fotografiile în care doamna Pătru apare încovoiată şi recunoscătoare în faţa preşedintelui Băsescu (probabil paharul de şampanie este prea greu) şi apoi citesc de pe site-ul Autorităţii Electorale Permanente, acolo unde o găsim pe doamna în discuţie atunci când nu se află în timpul ei liber: „Suntem o structură administrativă de gestio*nare a procesului electoral doar cu atribuţii tehnice şi de educaţie electorală, vizând afirmarea unei culturi politice a participării, precum şi o angajare lucidă, în cunoştinţă de cauză, a cetăţenilor. Crearea unui cadru propice tuturor cetăţenilor pen*tru redescoperirea participării la viaţa politică, pentru înţelegerea mecanismelor democraţiei şi a semnificaţiei votului, precum şi creş*terea gradului de încredere şi al ataşamentului lor faţă de sistemul pluralist sunt tot atâtea coordonate ale activităţii instituţiei”.

Aud că diverşi inşi îi propun d-lui Băsescu să candideze la preşedinţie ca independent. Nu cred că am mai suporta încă unul. :lol:
gandul (http://www.gandul.info/puterea-gandului/m-am-saturat-de-independenti.html?4237;4533319)

^^:) foarte pertinent articol

bucurestenii - ati remarcat cerul aseara dupa furtuna...?

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Nu l-am remarcat, dar ce-i cu el? Ai postat pozele pentru ca arata frumos sau ai o alta interpretare?:D

Sorry... had to ask. :(

Nu, le-am postat pentru ca mi-au prilejuit o experienta samanica! :nuts:

Ce naiba, nu mai poate omul sa se laude cu niste poze pe forum...? :D

P.S.: da' recunosti ca au un "aer mistic"...?

:lol:

Da l-am vazut si l-am pozat si eu. Din pacate cu telefonul, care nu are o camera tocmai geniala...

N-am mai vazut demult un cer asa interesant.

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culorile nu au iesit cum trebuie...

The Golden Era is yet to come........

:cheers:

Ce naiba, nu mai poate omul sa se laude cu niste poze pe forum...? :D
Hei, doar intrebam.:D

P.S.: da' recunosti ca au un "aer mistic"...?
Mistic... sa zicem.:)

Old one :nuts: http://www.ziua.ro/display.php?id=199569&data=2006-05-15

^^ In luna ianuarie, Consiliul Europei a incercat sa condamne comunismul, dar nu au reusit. De ce credeti ca nu au reusit?Pentru ca Rusia a protestat. Pentru ca a adus ca argument faptul ca ea nu poate purta responsabilitatea pentru crimele comise de comunism. Dar, in acelasi timp, rusii se declara urmasii Uniunii Sovietice. Din moment ce rusii continua se afle in Consiliul de Securitate al Natiunilor Unite, atunci trebuie sa si plateasca datoriile Uniunii Sovietice. Europa de astazi este foarte slabita si nu doreste astazi sa aiba dispute cu Rusia, asadar accepta punctul de vedere al Rusiei. A fost o prostie din partea lor, a fost un semn de slabiciune. Daca nu rezolvi problema, se va intoarce.Am fost prezent in momentul votului si am fost uimit sa vad ca multi europeni au votat impotriva rezolutiei de condamnare a comunismului. Credeti ca Uniunea Sovietica supravietuieste prin euro-sovietism?Ei, bine, un sistem trebuia sa il inlocuiasca pe celalalt. Asta era planul in anii '80, ca structurile sa se salveze intre ele. Problema era cum sa salveze socialismul, deoarece atat partidul, cat si Moscova, intelesesera ca intrase in criza. Comunistii italieni au fost cei care au inteles cel mai bine situatia si au spus "putem sa facem aceasta numai daca introducem socialismul in acelasi timp in toate statele europene. Asadar, ar trebui sa preluam controlul asupra proiectului european". Au vrut sa ia proiectul european si sa il intoarca cu susul in jos, in loc de piata deschisa, sa existe state federale. Si au reusit. Si sunt foarte buni.

^^ confirmare
http://www.ziua.ro/news.php?data=2009-06-11&id=30431
Intelectualitatea din Occident a pus batista pe tambal in cazul crimelor comunismuluiProfesorul Iulia Motoc, membru in Comitetul pentru Drepturile Omului al ONU, a spulberat, politicos, speranta ca juristii vor repune crimele comunismului acolo unde merita, adica in sala de judecata. "Va voi dezamagi, dar noi, juristii, nu aducem solutia magica in acest caz. Nu putem oferi noi aceasta solutie magica", a declarat Iulia Motoc, acuzand interese politice care interfereaza cu chestiunea crimelor comunismului. Desi nu a dat amanunte suplimentare despre aceste interese politice, Iulia Motoc a confirmat ca "a existat un pact al intelectualitatii din Vest cu cea din Est in a nu condamna comunismul".Cristian Parvulescu a lasat si el de inteles ca crimele comunismului ar trebui sa aiba acelasi statut juridic cu crimele nazismului, amintind caracterul totalitar al celor doua sisteme drept liantul dintre acestea.

http://www.historyarts.ro/index.htm

Va mai amintiti careva?

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NORMAL !:lol:
SUPER TARE !

Ok site-ul , merita trecut in revista!

Va mai amintiti careva?
Hehe! Cum sa nu?:D

Tehran tense after disputed election results (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090613/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iran_election;_ylt=Ao0KTcVWwoPmuSbzuz3yxs6s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTJoZDI2aXBqBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkwNjEzL21sX2lyYW5fZWxlY3Rpb24EY3BvcwMxBHBvcwMyBHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcnkEc2xrA3RlaHJhbnRlbnNlYQ--)

Election Watch (Iranian Forum on SSC) (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=583167&page=10)

:gaah:

Seamănă cu Moldova ce s-a întâmplat în Iran (blocarea comunicațiilor imediat după anunțarea rezultatelor preliminare, diferență mare poll-numărare, democrație aparentă doar până la momentul votului, etc.). Cum Ahmadinejad are control asupra Ministerului de Interne, care organizează alegerile, era de așteptat manipularea.

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^^:lol::lol: That's what you get for using IE!

IE has been reported as unsafe.:lol:

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idiotards:nuts::bash:

^^:llama:

Niste cretini, chiar daca nu stiau despre ce accident e vorba si n-aveau cunostinte de aviatie. Puteau macar sa caute pe net (http://www.google.ro/search?hl=ro&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=gsS&q=midair+collision+hoax&btnG=C%C4%83utare&meta=).:ohno:

Pozele sunt intr-adevar capturi din Lost, iar accidentul real la care se face aluzie e coliziunea dintre zborul Gol 1907 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gol_Transportes_A%C3%A9reos_Flight_1907) (Boeing 737) si un Embraer Legacy deasupra Braziliei.
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Just before 17:00 BST, the Boeing airliner and the Embraer business jet collided in mid-air at 37,000 feet (12.3 km), approximately midway between Brasilia and Manaus, near the town of Matupá, 750 kilometres (470 mi) south of Manaus.

The Boeing suffered major structural damage, losing nearly half of its left wing, which quickly led to an in-flight breakup and crash into dense rainforest, 200 kilometres (120 mi) east of the municipality of Peixoto de Azevedo, killing all 154 passengers and crew on board, the highest death toll of any aviation accident involving a Boeing 737 ever. The wreckage of the aircraft was scattered in pieces around the crash site.

The Embraer jet, despite sustaining serious damage to the left horizontal stabilizer and left winglet, was able to continue flying, though its autopilot disengaged and the required manual control inputs were high, especially at slower speeds.