View Full Version : Proposed High-Speed Ferry between Vancouver and Victoria


DrT
April 22nd, 2009, 09:11 PM
This would be very cool. A similar ferry link between Rochester, NY and Toronto did not work out mostly due to haggling between governments over paying for customs facilities. No such problem here though.
From yesterday's Vancouver Sun:



Fast ferry needs input to float
Website survey key to landing $150 million for harbour project
By Carla Wilson, Times ColonistApril 21, 2009.

A survey is being conducted with hopes of targeting potential riders of a proposed high-speed ferry service between Victoria and Vancouver that would cost $150 million to start running.

Results from the survey are key to securing required funding for the 90-minute service on 500-passenger ferries, said Don Stein, founder and CEO of Nautisol marine and aeronautical solutions.

"I have three major foreign groups ready to give me the $150 million," Stein said yesterday. He would not provide details.

"This is just a sweet project for this region."

The survey was posted on his website last week and has garnered 400 responses, he said. It will run until the second week in May and Stein said the vast majority of respondents have been favourable.

It would be a tourist draw and bolster the local economy. Conference organizers in Vancouver could send hundreds of delegates to Victoria using this service, Stein said.

If all goes according to plan, two 50-metre-long, hybrid hovercraft-catamaran ferries would be built in Vancouver and launched late next year, he said. A third ferry, possibly serving Nanaimo or used on the main run during busy times, would be launched six months later.

A one-way fare would be $50. A business-class ticket would be $85 and provide work stations and mini-conference areas, Stein said. The first ferry of the day would depart at 7 a.m. Ferries would have wireless Internet service.

The vessels would offer a comfortable ride, he said, responding to a question about seasickness on catamarans. Based on blueprints from Norway, the vessels could operate most days in our waters, Stein said. "It's the smoothest technology on the planet."

These ferries would operate out of floating terminals in the harbours of each city, Stein said. The Victoria terminal would be in the Inner Harbour "front row centre" but he would not give the location or say whether he has a signed lease.

The issue of marinas is a sensitive one in Victoria, where controversy is flaring over the merits of a proposal for a marina for mega yachts in front of the Songhees neighbourhood.

Plans call for ferries to run six times daily, each way, Stein said, predicting that they would carry about one million passengers a year.

Today's changing economy has prompted people to look at existing costs to travel between the cities and at how much their time is worth, Stein said.

Car ferries aren't needed on ferry runs anymore, Stein said. People can use public transport. "This is what they do in Europe."

Stein dealt with the Greater Victoria Harbour Authority more than two years ago, promoting the idea of harbour-to-harbour service.

At that time, the harbour authority entered a six-month letter of understanding with Stein to put together a detailed business plan.

Paul Servos, harbour authority CEO, said the letter of understanding expired and the authority has not heard from Stein since May 2008.

Harbour-to-harbour service was tried in the early 1990s when Royal Sealink Express ran catamarans between the cities but the vessels were blamed for causing seasickness and the service was eventually halted.

Web survey is at: nautisol.com

Yellow Fever
April 23rd, 2009, 07:07 AM
I don't know if there is enough ridership for this service. Good idea though!

forman21
April 24th, 2009, 04:22 AM
"Fast ferries" brings a sour taste to many british columbians... the previous fast ferry program was a disaster (gov't!). I like the idea, but will this new technology produce large waves like the previous ones? I've never heard of a hybrid hovercraft-catamaran, sounds cool though.

Huhu
April 24th, 2009, 05:00 AM
^^ It's only going to be 50 metres long, so it's not going to cause large enough waves to disrupt coastal properties, hopefully anyways.

DrT
April 24th, 2009, 07:59 PM
It should be something like this:

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5579/tangerjetii.jpg (http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tangerjetii.jpg)
(photo public domain from Wikipedia)

HSC "Tanger Jet II" was delivered by Austal in 2004 and has operated as Spirit of Ontario I for the operator Canadian American Transportation Systems (CATS) on a route between Rochester, New York and Toronto, Ontario. The catamaran has an overall length of 86.60 meters and a beam of 23.80 m.

Her gross tonnage amounts 6,242 GT. The machinery consists of four MTU engines with a total output of 4 x 8,200 kW (44,595 HP) allowing a maximum service speed of 45 knots (83 km/h).

ssiguy2
April 25th, 2009, 08:39 AM
$50 one way will nice for gov't employees but not anyone else. I think it is a COMPLETE waste of money. Nanaimo on the other hand would be a great idea , is a clear route, and the route would be VERY fast. If the previous attempt which folded 2 years ago had any gov't support it would have done very well. Waterfront to Nanaimo downtown in just 35 minutes. Even a route to Comox would be a great idea and is not near as far as people often think. The Nanaimo business {Harbour Lynx} was only $25 for one way trip. That is reasonable and would be cheaper if subsized by BC Ferries like all routes.

Huhu
April 25th, 2009, 09:25 AM
$50 is a little bit high, but is actually worth it if you are traveling alone (a single vehicle costs $45.00 on BC ferries I believe and the terminals are inconvenient). I don't think its a bad idea if they can get the costs and pricing right. I think their target is convention guests.

spongeg
April 26th, 2009, 10:54 PM
it's a private enterprise - THERE MUST BE NO government ie tax payers money thrown at it

it will fail like all the ones tried over the years

the cost to fly is quite comparable for those inclined or needing to get their fast and for the rest average person BC ferries is much cheaper despite the time involved

ssiguy2
April 27th, 2009, 07:02 AM
If the Harbour Lynx had any support or just an added new route by BCFerries it would done well and would be very affordable. It would have greatly releived traffic on the regular routes from Nanaimo especially going downtown Nan to Waterfront which is what it did.
Itys about time BCFerries started offering passenger only routes {and I think Victoria would be the last one I'd advise} to Comox & Nanaimo. All of a sudden the 5 hour trek from downtown to Comox would be a convient hour and a half. It's also about BC Transit & Translink got their limited grey matter together and start using passenger only routes like to the Sunshine Coast.
Thats the great thing about using water for transit..........the ROW is there and it's free, too bad the morons at our transportation planning haven't noticed.

spongeg
April 28th, 2009, 12:25 AM
yeah BC ferrys could start up something that originates in downtown for foot passengers - but they probably have done the numbers and know it would lose money - hence why so many private companies ahve tried and not succeeded

DrT
April 28th, 2009, 11:26 PM
This is the breakdown of time vs money from Nautisol's website:


Type of Transportation vs Price vs Total estimated travel time Victoria Inner Harbour to Canada Place Vancouver

High Speed Ferries $50 90 minutes
BC Ferries (Pacific Coast Bus ) $42 4.5 hours
BC Ferries (Car 1 passenger) $54 (w/ Parking/Mileage $84) 4.5 hours
Aircraft / Helicopter $150 / $220 50 mins / 35 mins

Looks to me that that paying $8 more to cut travel time from 4.5 to 1.5 hours
would be a bargain for anyone making the trip and enable daily commute for a segment of the population.

spongeg
April 29th, 2009, 02:56 AM
the walk on fee is like $13 though - if you use transit on both ends its only $20 or so per one way trip maybe $30 round trip

Huhu
April 29th, 2009, 09:03 AM
Unfortunately you have to take the bus out to the terminals which can take a long time depending on where you live.

Nutterbug
August 29th, 2009, 06:58 PM
$50 one way will nice for gov't employees but not anyone else. I think it is a COMPLETE waste of money. Nanaimo on the other hand would be a great idea , is a clear route, and the route would be VERY fast. If the previous attempt which folded 2 years ago had any gov't support it would have done very well. Waterfront to Nanaimo downtown in just 35 minutes. Even a route to Comox would be a great idea and is not near as far as people often think. The Nanaimo business {Harbour Lynx} was only $25 for one way trip. That is reasonable and would be cheaper if subsized by BC Ferries like all routes.

How would Sidney-Steveston do? It would be about the same distance as DT Vancouver-Nanaimo, and save considerable time over a 95-minute car ferry, without the wasteful roundabout sailings around peninsulas to reach the downtowns at both ends.

As for Comox, take land transport to Nanaimo instead. It's more fuel efficient over the same distance.