Old there can be found here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=621413

Editorial p 20 today's West

Government must ensure Link goes ahead
Planning Minister John Day's confidence that work on sinking the railway line through Northbridge will finally start during the Government's current term is welcome.

But the public has a right to some scepticism, given the long history of proposals to solve the problem of the railway creating an unattractive barrier between Perth and Northbridge surfacing and sinking without trace.

Plans for sinking the railway line were first proposed almost a century ago but have repeatedly failed to materialise.

Former planning minister Alannah MacTiernan once called the Northbridge Link the "holy grail" of city planning.

But the Labor government baulked at the cost of ridding the city of the prime barrier to its development into a centre with the sort of vitality and appeal it has lacked for so long.

Even in the boom times, the money could not be found, with the Carpenter government mothballing the Link project in favour of redeveloping the city foreshore.

Labor's MP for Perth and shadow minister for culture and the arts, John Hyde, has admitted that "we got our CBD priorities wrong". He says the Northbridge Link has to be "the number one priority for the CBD, our economy's real engine, and the State".
Capital cities generate wealth and need recapitalising in return.

The Government has already dumped projects totalling nearly $2 billion, including the proposed outdoor stadium at Subiaco, the redevelopment of the Perth foreshore and the East Perth museum.

It needs to press ahead with the Link, which has proved popular with the public, particularly young people, who are vital to contributing to a vibrant city as well as the future of the State.

Mr Day says he is confident that "certainly within this term of government the railway will be sunk or will be well under way".

Premier Colin Barnett needs to ensure that this happens. He has something of a reputation as a "can-do" man. But he needs to show that he really can get things done and fast-track this much-needed development.
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Not sure where the reputation as a "can-do" man comes from?

Well realy i agree Samy, lets be honest labour promoted all these ideas but beside the Mandurah line wot else realy came to fruition during the boom years.


Did actual work begin on any of these projects- the waterfront, the link, the mesuem, the stadium,

No

Ideas are good yes, but it is all just rehash untill something concrete actualy gets done!


So lets see!

Like we have for the last one hundred years

those ideas became plans. Don't forget 4 of 8 years was spend on planning the Link and because of that we're ready to go as soon as funding is made available.

You can't just come up with big ideas and progress them without going through the planning system. This is true for all the projects you mentioned above.

I agree there's planing involved but if something like the link is going to take 4-8 years to just plan then it can potentially become a pointless exercise with the current 4 year govt terms and each party having their own agenda.
Also I don't believe labor spent 4-8 years planing the link. In real terms, may be a year or so the rest is just sitting on hands time.

Also let's not forget even by labor's projections a lot of this stuff wasn't going to start for several years anyway, we were just more excited about the projects because we thought finally something was about to happen (naive I know)

In any case I'll judge Barney at the end of his term based on what he has delivered and discount any promises.

Don't discount what goes on behind the scenes. Each planning stage can take up to 9 months regardless of what the governments input is. The waterfront was going to take 2.5 years to plan and that was considered to be fast-tracked.

I agree that we will never know if Labor were actually planning to start the projects (Foreshore, NL, museum, etc) or put them on the backburner - or worse do what Barnett did with the Foreshore and start all over again. I also agree that I don't think 4-8 years of planning was done on NL. The majority of the work would have been sounding out the various interest groups, seeing if they were onside (and seeing how many of the noisy anti-everything were against it) and whether there was votes in the plan.

One thing you will factor in your judgement samboy is deciding how many projects were cancelled through the Royalty for Regions bribe to get into power (which both parties tried to do) and whether that removal of Perth infrastructure projects actually got anything worthwhile for regional areas (or whether there was just a bit of a slushfund for wheatbelt seats).

^ i do hope whoever wins the next state election comes in with a majority. This will be quite hard for the liberal party to achieve as they need to hold on to rural seats that could go national and win seats off labor in the country and city. The city is a particularly difficult one for the liberal party as they must hold seats that are notionally Labor like Morley and Wanneroo.

Anyway i'm reading too much into it now. Back to tha link...

It will be interesting to see what Channel 7 come up with for the NEtertainment Centre land. I will be surprised if we see anything in the near future - but fingers crossed at least some sort of ideas before the end of the year.

We're getting off track here but I agree with that. I really don't care labor or liberal as long as there's a clear majority and we're not being held to ransom by minority self interest groups or political agendas.
It's hard enough to get anything off the ground in this state without the added that added complication.

Agree too. In the lower house it is best to have a majority and the upper house (L.C. or Senate) it is often good to not have a majority for the government. We saw what happened in the last term of the last federal government when they had the majority in the Senate - all the idealogical, but rubbish, legislation that had been blocked before got through.

Did you guys see this??

Minister signs off $2billion The Link project.16 April 2009
The Link, one of Western Australia’s key infrastructure projects, has taken a big step forward with Planning Minister John Day signing off the Scheme Amendment for the 13.5ha site.

Mr Day said the Scheme Amendment approval marked the final stage of planning before the start of further development works and the release of land for sale.

“Today’s announcement will provide the project certainty required by industry to bring about investment in The Link,” he said.

“The State Government is committed to The Link project and sinking the rail line. Not only will it connect the city centre with Northbridge, but it will also open Perth up to an estimated $2billion in private sector investment and continue the revitalisation of our CBD.”

The Scheme Amendment provided the planning framework to deliver The Link project. In addition to sinking the rail line, The Link would also create:

five new pedestrian friendly north-south connections
five urban plazas
a major new civic space at Celebration Place (at the Horseshoe Bridge)
three new mixed-use precincts including commercial, entertainment and residential opportunities.
The first precinct to be developed would be the Perth Arena-Milligan Street precinct on the western side of the site, which would be a premier sporting and entertainment hub.

The precinct included the multi-million dollar Perth Arena and a significant State Government land holding next to the arena which was being considered as the potential site for a premier hotel development.

The Scheme Amendment would also allow major landholder - and the only non-Government landholder in The Link project area - Channel 7 to finalise its plans for the two hectare Perth Entertainment Centre site.

Seven Network Limited executive chairman Kerry Stokes said he was looking forward to working with the Government in planning for the development of its site.

“This is a terrific precinct in Perth and we are well-advanced in ensuring that the redevelopment of the Perth Entertainment Centre site is a positive for the development of the city and the people of Perth,” Mr Stokes said.

The Link is a partnership between the State Government and the City of Perth.

Lord Mayor Lisa Scaffidi welcomed the announcement and said that the City of Perth was looking forward to moving the project forward.

“The City of Perth has always been a strong advocate for sinking the rail line, which has been a barrier for the city’s growth for more than 100 years,” Lord Mayor Scaffidi said.

“The City of Perth is giving up the lease to a large block of land and committing more than $33million cash to the project once completed.

“In addition, the City of Perth will significantly upgrade Roe and Wellington streets as urban boulevards with greater energy and character.”

The Minister said it was expected that when completed The Link could create more than 1,650 dwellings, housing more than 3,000 residents and 244,000m² of commercial and retail floor space for approximately 13,350 workers.

“The Link will be the single biggest evolution in the city’s development and represents a fantastic opportunity for the public and private sectors to work together to deliver a project that will benefit all Western Australians,” Mr Day said.

“The Link will deliver much-needed social, economic and environmental benefits to the community in the form of more housing, jobs and office space. It will also be a place where Western Australians can enjoy our beautiful city, with almost a third of the entire area dedicated to public space, wide boulevards, public squares, alfresco areas, shade and public art.”

EPRA is the lead agency in the development of The Link. EPRA will shortly finalise the Design Guidelines for The Link and, during the next 12 months, would look at the design of Celebration Place as a significant town square-style public space.


http://www.epra.wa.gov.au/news/1591/Minister%20signs%20off%20$2billion%20The%20Link%20project.

Opening Post should have images and some proper info. :)

fine... here is some pretty pictures :P


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Repeating my question from the last thread: how easy/likely would it be to put footings in for the landmark building above the rail dive in the horseshoe bridge so one could be built later?

think plausible ;) forget about 'landmark' and focus on 'clean up' :)

great angle polecat...

..and how good does the PEC look from there!!!

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=87851590836

Maybe Telethon can auction the trigger button to blow it up or
save it. . . .

^^^ no not really.

great angle polecat...

..and how good does the PEC look from there!!!

some ppl should really see a medical professional..
its simply impossible to see how any1 can find this thing anything but plain ugly.

I was gonna reply but don't wanna start the PEC debate again.

Sadly its going so theres no point talking about it anymore. But that angle looks great.

I was gonna reply but don't wanna start the PEC debate again.

Sadly its going so theres no point talking about it anymore. But that angle looks great.

I really like PEC - it is by far the most distinctive, individual looking building in this whole shot. Very futuristic looking, in a Jestson's kinda way.

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:lol: Don't get me started. I can go on about it for ages.

. Very futuristic looking


if this was the 1900s maybe i could see your point.

but cos its not, i cant!

Oh, do we have to get into this again. Please no. Just no.

Well if people stop insulting it I won't start. I'm trying to be very good. :)

It is easily the best building in that shot, Raine will pale in comparison to this bold, minimalist, confrontational and yet inviting, architectural tour de force.

you're kidding right?

Well I'm not sure if Nate is taking the piss or not cos you can't tell with him but I don't understand how a bunch of people who wish to protect heritage buildings, lament the loss of important historical buildings and sick of the same boring fridges everywhere can't see the merit in this building.

Its just beyond me.

I don't think Nate is taking the piss. He's just a strange character. I used to be a hater of this building too until I realised what I disliked wasn't the structure itself rather the current disused rundown state. If it were cleaned up and used for a purpose I wouldn't be thinking the same.
Since there is very small chance of that happening in Perth (we just don't have the originality and foresight here. It's worth more demolished and that's how developers work here) so the only other option is getting rid of it.

PS: This venue has provided me with the most passionate sporting moments (wildcats). Best atmosphere I could remember. Since then I really lost interest and stopped caring about Australian sports.

i share your sentiments samboy... it's nothing spectacular when it comes down to it... it's functionality is limited also and as you say...

I don't think Nate is taking the piss. He's just a strange character. I used to be a hater of this building too until I realised what I disliked wasn't the structure itself rather the current disused rundown state. If it were cleaned up and used for a purpose I wouldn't be thinking the same.
Since there is very small chance of that happening in Perth (we just don't have the originality and foresight here. It's worth more demolished and that's how developers work here) so the only other option is getting rid of it.

PS: This venue has provided me with the most passionate sporting moments (wildcats). Best atmosphere I could remember. Since then I really lost interest and stopped caring about Australian sports.

But you appreciate it and thats the main thing.

I honestly, truly, believe it should be heritage listed. But it is hard to justify keeping it with the Perth Arena which will be far superior right next door to it.

But how it was let to rot like it has whilst we struggle for a decent venue is disgusting.

Its just another piece of history we'll be losing. Perhaps the younger forumers here haven't had the opportunity to appreciate it.

Definitely some of the best sporting moments ever. But even the concerts there were amazing atmosphere and fantastic accoustics. Ah well.

not this old chestnut again.

can u old nostalgic bastards not restart this argument?

Haha. I think the PEC does look awesome from that angle. Pity roughly 0% of the population would ever see it from that angle.

some ppl should really see a medical professional..
its simply impossible to see how any1 can find this thing anything but plain ugly.

i think a number of people on this site would make similar comments about male genitalia. doesn't stop you (and others) liking it though does it?

I like that someone finally made the connection between cocks and buildings.

ooo.

Haha. I think the PEC does look awesome from that angle.


YES! DRINK THE KOOLAID D.R!

(and samboy!)

No thank you. I suffer from type-1 diabetes.

WE GOT FUNDING FOR NBL!!!!!!!!!

I just heard it on channel 10!!!!
I wasnt listening, and I heard it I was like "WHAT! FUCK YEAH!"


:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:

Damn, i wanted to be first!!!!

But YESSSSS. More than $250 million for sinking of the rail AND Wellington st Busport!!!

I love budget night.

I told you guys this was a done deal when you were all worrying like little girls but noone (or many) wouldn't listen to me ;)

$260m just annonced by Wayne Swan.

Should start by the end of the year!!!

I told you guys this was a done deal when you were all worrying like little girls but noone (or many) wouldn't listen to me ;)

No one likes a show off samboy

:P

Exellent news and a great day.

http://images.watoday.com.au/2009/05/12/515444/northbridge-link-budget-def-620x0.jpg

New life for Perth's heart

http://images.watoday.com.au/2009/05/12/515505/article-northbridge-link-420x0.jpg


Tony Moore
May 13, 2009 - 5:30PM

Perth's stalled Northbridge Link project has a new lease of life after tonight's federal budget invested $236 million to kickstart the long-stalled city heart development.

Infrastructure Minister Anthony Albanese, who visited the site two weeks ago, said the project would "end the divide" in Perth's heart.

Western Australia also received a second vote of confidence from the Rudd Government when it also decided to invest $339 million in the new deepwater port and rail project at Oakajee, 20 kilometres north of Geraldton.

Infrastructure projects totalling $22 billion in 2009-10 are the Federal Government's direct response to job losses, which Treasurer Wayne Swan predicted would rise to 8.5 per cent by June 2011.

Mr Albanese said the Northbridge Link would revitalise Perth's central city.

"The project will lower the rail line and will mean that the city of Perth can end the divide that is there because of the current rail line," Mr Albanese said.

"You have the two sides of the rail line not being linked. This will lead to a massive improvement in Perth as a city."

The Link project will lower the central city reach of the Perth to Fremantle rail line and build a new rail platform, freeing 50,000 square metres of land for urban development.

The State Government has already committed matching funds to the project, Mr Albanese said.

"I visited the site with the Prime Minister just two weeks ago and this is a great project for Perth."

The Federal Government has injected $339 million into the proposed Oakajee port in an attempt to attract private sector investment in the $4 billion project, which aims to handle 35 million tonnes of iron ore over the next 20 years.

Perth also receives significant new health projects, with more than $512 million invested in new facilities at the Fiona Stanley Hospital and for a new hospital in the city's Midland area.

The budget sets aside $255 million for a new State Rehabilitation Centre at the Fiona Stanley Hospital, while $180 million is set aside for a new metropolitan hospital in Midland.

More than $8 million is set aside for new renal dialysis facilities in the Kimberley, while $7.9 million is set aside for a new pediatric ward at the Broome Hospital.

Defence spending of $115 million in 2009-10 includes $80 million for the ongoing redevelopment of RAAF Base Pearce ($142 million), while $5 million is allocated to start to transfer of the 3rd Battalion of the RAR to shift from Sydney to Melbourne.

The spending - a 5 per cent increase from last year - was welcomed by Defence Minister Joel Fitzgibbon.

"This is a significant investment in Defence infrastructure that will also benefit jobs and the Western Australian economy."

- Tony Moore is senior reporter for the Brisbane Times

Excellent news! made my day!

"will lower the rail" ..??? not sink?


and where did dilaz get 260m and sinking of wellington?

(The West article)

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuId=28&ContentID=141239

Northbridge link gets $236 million

12th May 2009, 18:30 WST

Public transport will receive an additional $317 million from Treasury’s coffers over the next six years, with projects to be funded in Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth.

The Northbridge rail link in Perth will get $236 million to sink the central city section of the Perth-Fremantle line.

Darwin’s main port and another north of Geraldton in Western Australia will share $389 million.

However Melbourne is the big winner with more than $8 billion in spending on new roads, rails and ports across the nation.

Of the $8.5 billion in new transport investment, Melbourne will receive $3.2 billion for one project alone - a 40km dual rail link from West Werribee to the city’s Southern Cross Station.

Construction is expected to commence next year with the project the be completed by 2014.

Melbourne also gets $40 million for pre-construction work on an east-west rail tunnel linking Footscray and the CBD.

While the news will be welcomed by public transport advocates, those hoping the budget would include rail funding for an inland freight route linking Melbourne and Brisbane will be disappointed.

Estimated to cost $7.2 billion, the freight corridor has been overlooked in favour of a massive boost in road spending.

The road freight corridor between Melbourne and Cairns receives an additional $3.4 billion, the bulk of which will go to NSW.

"The current global recession will not stop the Rudd government investing in the infrastructure vital to Australia’s long term economic prosperity,” Infrastructure Minister Anthony Albanese said.

"In fact, by doing so we are supporting jobs at a time when that support is needed most."

About $1.5 billion will go towards the Hunter Expressway in NSW, linking the F3 and the New England Highway near Branxton.

A further $618 million will go towards the Kempsey by-pass on the Pacific Highway in NSW.

Queensland gets $884 million for the Ipswich Motorway and $488 million to duplicate the Bruce Highway between Cooroy and Curra.

The budget also makes “provision for a possible equity contribution” of $365 million in 2009/10 towards the Gold Coast’s 13km light rail system.

The first bit will be the carpark next to the Entertainment Centre. I suspect the railway sinking (officially) will still be a few years away. I will still believe it when I see it. Cancel Barnett could still have his way with it.

Excellent news, especially regarding the bus station.

im still uneasy about the sinking not going all the way to the freeway though. i dont believe in building up and over th tracks at milligan as we lose the possible linking of milligan street in the future.

The first bit will be the carpark next to the Entertainment Centre. I suspect the railway sinking (officially) will still be a few years away. I will still believe it when I see it. Cancel Barnett could still have his way with it.

I seen a sign today going throw that carpark to the overpass, it said "This carpark will be closed for redevelopment on 22 of may"

awesome!

I seen a sign today going throw that carpark to the overpass, it said "This carpark will be closed for redevelopment on 22 of may"

That is the first part (not counting Perth Arena) to be done. That's building is the bit that I am confident will happen.

Sorry for being negative but doesn't the budget have to pass through the senate first before we can defiantly say that the NB link has the funds?

it's likely to get thru tho.

Sorry for being negative but doesn't the budget have to pass through the senate first before we can defiantly say that the NB link has the funds?

It will almost certainly pass otherwise you get blocking of supply (the government runs out of money to pay its bills) which results in something like the Whitlam sacking by Kerr.

it's likely to get thru tho.

and i don't think this government would be scared to ask the GG for an early election either.

and i don't think this government would be scared to ask the GG for an early election either.

Yeah - I might be wrong, but a money bill is a trigger to allow an double-disallusion (sp?) election (where alll seats of the Senate rather than the usual half of them) along with having a bill(s) not pass Parliament two or more times.

(apologies if I just put you to sleep or have given you a headache)

Yeah - I might be wrong, but a money bill is a trigger to allow an double-disallusion (sp?) election (where alll seats of the Senate rather than the usual half of them) along with having a bill(s) not pass Parliament two or more times.

(apologies if I just put you to sleep or have given you a headache)

Yes, if the same bill comes back from the senate twice than the GG can require that both houses be disolved.

In this case, the government is likely to place supply items that the opposition senators will find hard to knock back (ie; pension rise with the axed health care rebate). The opposition risk not only popularity by blocking such bills but also risk the Labor favourable GG from calling an election. Given the ALP and Rudds extreme popularity at the federal level i dont think they would be too worried about an election so soon.

If the coalition don't block the bulk of the budget the government still has the avenue of a double-disallusion election if there alco-pops tax is blocked again.

Yeah - they are what are called as triggers for a double dissolution election. The Government in power likes to have one or more of these in their kitbag to give them an option of calling an election early. They almost always don't use it, but it is there as a threat.

What's more the opposition will get slammed if they block parts of the budget relating to economic stimulus and infrastructure funding. They have, after all been saying for months they need to hurry the infrastructure spending.

Yeah - they are what are called as triggers for a double dissolution election. The Government in power likes to have one or more of these in their kitbag to give them an option of calling an election early. They almost always don't use it, but it is there as a threat.

Am i accurate in saying MOST governments are elected with control of the senate anyway? Howard basically had full control for two terms.

One more ALP senator and there would be no need for any of this. Assuming the Greens continue to vote with the ALP.

What's more the opposition will get slammed if they block parts of the budget relating to economic stimulus and infrastructure funding. They have, after all been saying for months they need to hurry the infrastructure spending.

Luckily for them, the majority of Australians dont watch the news and have a very short memory when it comes to things like this.

Am i accurate in saying MOST governments are elected with control of the senate anyway? Howard basically had full control for two terms.

One more ALP senator and there would be no need for any of this. Assuming the Greens continue to vote with the ALP.

Nah - from memory most Government's don't have control of the Senate whilst they are in power. And if they are, it is more likely that it will be a Coalition party. Ironically the last government's control of the Senate allowed people to finally see through Howard. I could be wrong from these numbers (going from memory) - when the election (normal one - not double dissolution) happens each State has 6 spots up for grabs (and 3 each for NT and ACT). For WA it is usually 2 Labor, 3 Coalition (maybe just Liberal) and the last spot is between the minor parties (formerly Democrat, Greens and maybe? Nationals). Obviously, a different split up in other States - but you can see how occasionally there will be Coalition control of the Senate. Now, in a double dissolution (correct me if I am wrong) there are less seats available for the minor parties to pick up.

edit: oops - here I was thinking I was posting in the Politics thread

Its rare for a government to have control of both houses. It can be quite a task to get control of the Senate. Howard controlled the Senate for his last one or two terms.

Its rare for a government to have control of both houses. It can be quite a task to get control of the Senate. Howard controlled the Senate for his last one or two terms.

One I think. And he used it to push through idealogical (and arguably bad) legislation that he couldn't get through before. Which is why it is good to have the Senate making them compromise and take out rubbish proposals.

One I think. And he used it to push through idealogical (and arguably bad) legislation that he couldn't get through before. Which is why it is good to have the Senate making them compromise and take out rubbish proposals.

Exactly. He needed the senate majority in the last term. His IR reforms (workchoices) were sort of the last step in his reforming ambitions. He knew he wouldnt be able to get them through without a Senate majority.

Edit: Sorry, totally forgot what thread we were in. Feel free to move them Alvse.

This is excellent news. Hopefully we can actually find out what plan is going ahead though. Is it the version that is essentially the original plan but with the horseshoe bridge tower foregone for more open space?

no1's told me where it says the bus station is being sunk ...

no1's told me where it says the bus station is being sunk ...

I heard it being said in a few of the announcements.

While very gd news yes, lets c wot Barney does!

Shame Carps wasnt in I rekon we would have got alot more!

But we may b pleasantly supprised, fingers xrossed!

Taken from Perthnow.

$236m to sink Northbridge rail, $339m for Oakajee

May 12, 2009 07:00pm
THE Federal Budget has delivered more than $570 million for two major WA projects - the Northbridge rail link and Oakajee port.

Premier Colin Barnett said the funding will mean the projects will begin next year.

Mr Barnett made the announcement following $575 million in Commonwealth funding announced in the federal budget.

Mr Barnett said $236 million in federal funding for the sinking of the central city section of the Perth to Fremantle railway would allow the bus station to be sunk.

``I am very pleased that the Prime Minister and the Federal Government have supported the Oakajee Project. That is now secure,’’ Mr Barnett said.

``The development of a deep sea port and industrial site at Oakajee to the north of Geraldton will now go ahead.

``And the Commonwealth and the state will now take up a share of the funding on a 50-50 basis.

``I am also thrilled that the Prime Minister has listened to the case that I and others have put from Western Australia about sinking the rail line in Perth.

``And in fact the amount of funding they have announced will not only allow us to sink the railway but the bus station.

``That will revitalise central Perth and connect the city to Northbridge and set the scene for the patter of development in our city for the next 50 years.

``I am also pleased about the funding for the Midland Hospital and the funding for the relocation of the Shenton Park Rehabilitation Services to Fiona Stanley Hospital.

``A lot of work has been done on sinking the railway line.

``I would expect work to begin next year in 2010.

``We will see some physical activity on the site.

``Oakajee is of national significance.

``This is the most important project in my view for this state and maybe the nation.

``There is still detailed design and engineering work going on, financial analysis and so on but I would expect works on Oakajee toward the end of next year.

``The part that government, both state and the commonwealth will fund is the common user infrastructure which we (government) will own and control and charge for.

``That runs to about $700 million.

``Beyond that will be private sector investment – in total around $4 billion.

``This project ahs been talked about for 15 years.

``It will now happen because the state and commonwealth is committed to this happening.

Opposition leader Eric Ripper said West Australians should be thankful there was a federal Labor government committed to infrastructure in WA.

``Federal Labor has delivered $1.3 billion for WA infrastructure,’’ he said..

``Every project that we see announced in the state budget on Thursday will have been started by state Labor or funded by Federal Labor .’’

Opposition leader Eric Ripper said West Australians should be thankful there was a federal Labor government committed to infrastructure in WA.

``Federal Labor has delivered $1.3 billion for WA infrastructure,’’ he said..

``Every project that we see announced in the state budget on Thursday will have been started by state Labor or funded by Federal Labor .’’

geez that pisses me off...i am not going to even start the arguments of Labor's failing while they were in term but why cant stripper just go back into his ugly hole.

i put this down to barnett only submitting a realistic small number of proposals to infrastructure australia unlike other states that submitted loads and now crying foul in other threads.....

Great news, we can look forward to some more detailed plans in the 2nd half of the year ey :okay:

i put this down to barnett only submitting a realistic small number of proposals to infrastructure australia unlike other states that submitted loads and now crying foul in other threads.....

funnily enough i believe uncle samboy predicted that barney having put in a realistic proposal would hopefully mean we get what we want

Exactly. There are 2 schools of politics on this. In this instance I agree with Barney. He realistically knew what he could expect from the feds for WA and made the proposals accordingly. Whereas some other premiers opted for more extravagant requests. That's not because they thought they had a realistic chance of getting it they were simply playing politics for their own (state level) consumption. These tactics are very common in politics.

In this particular instance I agree with what Barney did (and knew all along that's what he was doing). Seems to be his style in general.

Ironically he's a Liberal premier vs a labor federal govt whereas the others are labor premiers and there would have been greater benefit for Barney to play politics which he didn't

Am i accurate in saying MOST governments are elected with control of the senate anyway? Howard basically had full control for two terms.


not neccessarily. the senate is often controlled by the oppposition (because only half of the senate positions are contested at each election (usually)). also, minor parties often control the senate because of the senates electoral system which is both preferential and proportional (giving minor parties an advantage not seen in the lower house). for example the greens have held a senate seat for WA since the late 80s (then under the nuclear disarmament party), yet have never won a lower house seat here.

It's interesting that we have recieved more money for this project from the Federal Government than what we had actually asked for...

not to worry the final amount (i.e blowout) would probably be significantly higher

Any one see channel seven news? they showed the plant thats going to be there, it had the horse shoe bridge tower, but it looked so hot from the north looking with it with perth in the background, like we had a real sexy looking city! im still drooling over it :lol:

sure it wasnt the draft masterplan?

yeah just some old stuff. I wouldn't get too excited about it. Just wait for some real renders to show up

Any one see channel seven news? they showed the plant thats going to be there, it had the horse shoe bridge tower, but it looked so hot from the north looking with it with perth in the background, like we had a real sexy looking city! im still drooling over it :lol:

just because the northbridge link seems to be going ahead, it doesnt change Perth that much in my opinion. That is, it will still be dull!

Much more is needed like a relaxation of inner city shopping hours, more bars and restaurants, greatly increased inner city population, street activation

I hope that this is a catalyst but Perth is a long long way off from being a cool drooling city, even with the Northbridge Link.

I agree sannie that perth has along way to go but I disagrre that NBL wont change Perth. If they stick with the plans of activating the plazas and activating wellington and roe streets than in my opinion I think the NBL willl do major changes for the city

geez and I thought I was doom and gloom :)

Perth will never be a 'cool drooling city'. This is just something to clean up the place and make it look more respectable. Hopefully it will attract more residents and business.

Let's not set the bar that high

Exactly. There are 2 schools of politics on this. In this instance I agree with Barney. He realistically knew what he could expect from the feds for WA and made the proposals accordingly. Whereas some other premiers opted for more extravagant requests. That's not because they thought they had a realistic chance of getting it they were simply playing politics for their own (state level) consumption. These tactics are very common in politics.

In this particular instance I agree with what Barney did (and knew all along that's what he was doing). Seems to be his style in general.

Ironically he's a Liberal premier vs a labor federal govt whereas the others are labor premiers and there would have been greater benefit for Barney to play politics which he didn't

yeah thats why i am warming to barney. he knows perth is only capable of achieving one or two major projects at one time due to funding etc. so he has decided the northbridge link will be his legacy.

carps was also visionary by having several projects for his legacy but he tried to run before he could walk and in perth that was always doomed for failure.

maybe in another proactive city, carps would have achieved many great things.

may be.

let's look into the future. Carps is old news.

edit: On second thought knowing Perth politics he may re-appear in 2025

btw - does anyone know where the rail line resurfaces on the eastern side.

is it just under the horseshoe bridge, so effectively the perth central station remains above ground or is it under the multi-storey carpark so effectively perth central platforms are underground?

it will be a catalyst for redevelopment in the city's west end.

northbridge link will only yield 13 highrise buildings and around 2500 residents. The existing CBD could support another 100 highrises.

it will be a catalyst for redevelopment in the city's west end.

northbridge link will only yield 13 highrise buildings and around 2500 residents. The existing CBD could support another 100 highrises.

yeah thats hardly anything for the area of development. look at capital sqaure, it would have housed 1000 apartments on its smaller site.

perth CBD needs to have at least 250,000 people - it will then be abuzz and vibrant.

Personly I dont think its issue of having a whole lot of highrises its what is done on the site and how the site is developed to enhance activation- can it be done successfullywell lets see.

Im not sure but Perth Central remains above ground right? The Freo line will resurface up just after or along the Horseshoe Bridge curve but remain covered and hidden (built upon) so trains will dock at platforms as they are now, Therefore the east side has no change and exists from under the station carpark as they do now??????

Yes some Capital Squares on or around the site would be good- but i dont see thathappening

Im not sure but Perth Central remains above ground right? The Freo line will resurface up just after or along the Horseshoe Bridge curve but remain covered and hidden (built upon) so trains will dock at platforms as they are now, Therefore the east side has no change and exists from under the station carpark as they do now??????

That's a shame.

In another 100 years time, I would love for Perth Central to be sunk, together with Wellington Street and Roe Street, to create a Stage 2 mixed use commercial & residential precint.

However, i would also like to see a pedestrian friendly spine from Forrest Place connecting to a revamped Perth Cultural & Museum precint without having to cross any roads / rail.

maybe my great grandchildren will take up that battle....

well at least we have the federal government comitted in partially funding thr project... but we will have to see how the senate goes. Bob Brown is rather dull to be honest

I think they'll get it through senate, even if it comes down to throwing in some things to get the votes of the independants.

well at least we have the federal government comitted in partially funding thr project... but we will have to see how the senate goes. Bob Brown is rather dull to be honest

He'll pass the Budget because isnt he going to get an extra $30/week for the Aged Pension??

The existing CBD could support another 100 highrises.

Dilaz for Mayor!

yeah thats why i am warming to barney. he knows perth is only capable of achieving one or two major projects at one time due to funding etc. so he has decided the northbridge link will be his legacy.

carps was also visionary by having several projects for his legacy but he tried to run before he could walk and in perth that was always doomed for failure.

maybe in another proactive city, carps would have achieved many great things.

you can't achieve a whole lot in only 2 years....

That's a shame.

In another 100 years time, I would love for Perth Central to be sunk, together with Wellington Street and Roe Street, to create a Stage 2 mixed use commercial & residential precint.

However, i would also like to see a pedestrian friendly spine from Forrest Place connecting to a revamped Perth Cultural & Museum precint without having to cross any roads / rail.

maybe my great grandchildren will take up that battle....


Did you say you want, Roe and Wellington street sunk?

Agree with the Central station though, should be sunk, but be "exposed" in a open pit with a glass dome.

I want it to be sunk from William street to as close to Lord street as possible, Pier Steet to run through to Northbridge. :banana:

Let's not set the bar that high

Love this attitude. Repeat this a million times and there's your reason creative young people leave. :)

Love this attitude. Repeat this a million times and there's your reason creative young people leave. :)

Speaking of creative, Have you sent on your idea about grants to building owners willing to let artists use their blank walls?

No... I should!

He'll pass the Budget because isnt he going to get an extra $30/week for the Aged Pension??

that is why he is grumpy. i read that some senator said it was a budget of broken dreams. well how can the government release a 'nice' budget? We are not the USSR you know. Or are we?

Love this attitude. Repeat this a million times and there's your reason creative young people leave. :)

i think on reflection THAT is what the little arrogant sounding guy on the 7 debate implied. if WA votes against DLS, then it surely is against positive and creative thoughts and inititaves. Then again i think the country is that way inclined to a lesser extent that poor old WA and parts of SA and QLD.

I don't understand why they aren't sinking it right up to the freeway?

Shame at the same time they haven't got the $$$ the sink the other end up to the East Perth station.

I don't understand why they aren't sinking it right up to the freeway?

Shame at the same time they haven't got the $$$ the sink the other end up to the East Perth station.

Supposedly it is the $ and the plan is to build over the section where it comes back to surface level. The Perth Arena was originally going to serve this function until it was decided to put it underneath the stadium.

i think on reflection THAT is what the little arrogant sounding guy on the 7 debate implied. if WA votes against DLS, then it surely is against positive and creative thoughts and inititaves. Then again i think the country is that way inclined to a lesser extent that poor old WA and parts of SA and QLD.

I don't agree that someone who votes against DLS is consciously voting against anything to do with creativity, but the impact of a no vote is, essentially, maintenance of the status quo and a vote against change, both of which are components of the perception that Perth/WA is a small-time, fearful, changeless place wracked with timidity and self-doubt, and that's something that helps drive young and creative people out of town.

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^^

This will be the most convenient place to live in Perth. Saving my pennies now for the undoubtedly high apartment prices, due to high demand.

I don't understand why they aren't sinking it right up to the freeway?

Shame at the same time they haven't got the $$$ the sink the other end up to the East Perth station.
The Clarkson Line would also need to be sunk at the same time to maintain the diamond crossing between the 2 lines. They had a chance to do that when the William St bored tunnels were built but that ship has sailed.....the cost and disruption that would be required now is beyond consideration.

^^

This will be the most convenient place to live in Perth. Saving my pennies now for the undoubtedly high apartment prices, due to high demand.

Completely agree. This will be THE place to live in Perth.

I'm wondering if they will be that expensive though considering its river views that most people go for in this city.

Did you say you want, Roe and Wellington street sunk?



just the sections of roe and wellington street parallel and including perth central station, in order to create a grand pedestrian axis connecting forrest place with a revamped Perth Cultural and Museum precinct with mixed use commercial, residential, retail.

the perth central buildings could be used for smart retail perhaps like QVB in Sydney.

but i'll wake up now....

Completely agree. This will be THE place to live in Perth.


..just think Ryan, you could be living on the former PEC site...

..just think Ryan, you could be living on the former PEC site...

Nah, that would be like living on an ancient Indian burial ground. :)

no money in the state budget for nb link according to h satler

Oakajee overlooked in State BudgetArticle from: PerthNowFont size: Decrease Increase Email article: Email Print article: Print Submit comment: Submit comment Michael Bennet, Business Reporter

May 14, 2009 02:21pm
FUNDING for the $4 billion Oakajee Port has been left out of the State Government's first budget, despite the Federal Government's commitment to the project.

The Federal Government committed $339 million towards Oakajee and $236 million to the Northbridge Link in Tuesday's Federal Budget, but both were left out of Treasurer Troy Buswell's budget today.

Despite reaffirming the state's commitment to the project Mr Buswell could not confirm where the funds would come from, other than that it would likely be on top of the Government's $23.8 billion capital expenditure program slated for the next four years.

He said the government could not confirm the Federal Governement's committment in time to include it in the budget because the budget was drawn up one month ago.

Premier Colin Barnett has publicly committed to the Oakajee project, calling it the most important infrastructure project in WA for the next 50 years.

Oakajee Port & Rail, half owned by WA miner Murchison Metals and Japan's Mitsubishi Development, won approval from the State Government to build the port and rail project in March.

On Monday the group committed to spending a further $100 million on a Bank Feasibility study and a 2013 construction completion timeline.

WA's ports will receive $377.2 million in 2009/10, with Port Hedland the big winner in the budget, with $130 million to complete the mutli-purpose berth and loading facility at Utah Point.

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They better not fuck us over with this. Unless they use the federal money to start the project and fund there rest in another budget.

What is the State Governments current debt level?

If they have achieved their $400m surplus this year surely the could commit funding to the first stage of the Link > considering the Federal Governments contribution.

I understand the difficulty in forming a budget without knowing the Federal Governments funding arragements though i'd hope a decision granting funding for Oakajee and the Link are released in the coming weeks.

this year its some 600m surplus

no goran, thats just the budget balance for the year.

the state still owes an accumulated $19 billion.

surpluses go towards paying that off sometimes, depending if the government chooses to repay the surplus into the debt. eg the $1billion surplus paid for the railway in full a few years ago, last year some of it was used to dent the $19 billion.

any budget defecit will add to the $19 billion.

so federally, the $56 billion defecit, adds to a total $100 billion or so in current accumulated debt. this is why more defecits are bad, we need to get into a positive accounts situation like china where we have accumulating funds that earn interest instead of paying interest.

no goran, thats just the budget balance for the year.

the state still owes an accumulated $19 billion.

surpluses go towards paying that off sometimes, depending if the government chooses to repay the surplus into the debt. eg the $1billion surplus paid for the railway in full a few years ago, last year some of it was used to dent the $19 billion.

any budget defecit will add to the $19 billion.

so federally, the $56 billion defecit, adds to a total $100 billion or so in current accumulated debt. this is why more defecits are bad, we need to get into a positive accounts situation like china where we have accumulating funds that earn interest instead of paying interest.

On 2011/12 figures >>

Australian GDP - $875bn (GDP), 270bn debt (30% of GDP)

Western Australia GDP - $113bn (GDP), 19bn debt (18% of GDP)

Why is the federal debt so much of a problem when they are undertaking such widespread spending or infrastructure and nation building? Yet, WA, with no almost no additional spending to speak of never gets critisied for its level of government debt?

lol we don't get much for our debt levels :/

lol we don't get much for our debt levels :/

unemployment less than 12-15% is a pretty good return given thats the likely situation in most of Europe and the US.

no money in the state budget for nb link according to h satler

yeah i wouldnt worry. i just think the WA libs werent expecting the money coming from the feds when they were drawing up the state budget.

there is no way they will do anything to forfeit fed money. it'll just come out of next years budget and start with the feds dosh.

thought we had a $AUD Trillion + economy ..?

unemployment less than 12-15% is a pretty good return given thats the likely situation in most of Europe and the US.

Yeah but the government hasn't done anything to achieve that.

thought we had a $AUD Trillion + economy ..?

WA or Australia as a whole? Australia in 2008 had an $800b economy.

o wait thats USD...

So yeah $1T. Doesn't mean the government has that much to spend though lol.

o wait thats USD...

So yeah $1T. Doesn't mean the government has that much to spend though lol.

my rough figures were all in USD anyway so the percentage remains the same.

yeahhhh i was right biatchessss :D

p7 today's West

Seven seeks land nod for city move
KIM MACDONALD

Channel 7 is considering selling its Dianella home for redevelopment and moving its WA headquarters to the mothballed Perth Entertainment Centre, which the network owns, or another city site.

Managing director Ray Waldrop confirmed the group was seeking a new base, but it would only go ahead if it could rezone the Dianella land it has called home for 50 years.

Developer Nigel Satterley has three concept plans for an upmarket residential development at the 7ha Dianella site, which could include 81, 85 or 94 dwellings.

Mr Satterley said the proposed development would be at the premium end of the market, similar to Subi Centre, and many homes would have city views.

The plans have been shown to Stirling City Council and some community groups, but there has been no formal development bid.

Mr Waldrop said the current base was too big. Staff numbers had dropped to only one-third of the total once employed.

He said the rezoning of Gay Street, Dianella, would also create relocation opportunities for Channels 9 and 10, which have blocks of similar size in the neighbourhood.

It is understood Channel 9 is seeking approval to develop its property in conjunction with Mirvac, and Channel 10 has appointed a planning consultant to consider its options.

Mr Waldrop said he did not expect any community opposition because the proposed development would not affect bush in Cotton-wood Reserve or the many kangaroos in the area.

The idea has gained in-principle support from Stirling mayor David Boothman, who said it would not be difficult to change the zoning.

But Cr Elizabeth Re, a member of the council's planning committee, said it was not a suitable site for housing because of its environmental significance.

Friends of Dianella Bushland spokeswoman Jan Bant said the group would keep a close eye on plans to ensure bush preservation.

Premier Colin Barnett backed a move to the city.

"To move that technology into the central city area, which is in part the business community but also the centre for arts and commercial development, I think it adds vitality to the city," Mr Barnett said.

Seven Network chief Kerry Stokes is also the chairman of WA Newspapers.

6PR tonight,

Had been discussing a conference which will be held next week @ the old IMAX theatre(Northbridge)regarding the sinking of the rail line between North Bridge and the city

I believe there was some sort of committee being formed......

Howard Sattler was chairing it or promoting it tonight, I missed part of the discussion.

^^ What were you doing listening to 6PR?? :nuts:

gay street ..

p.s the old Imax is being turned into a new nightclub, which should be opening soon. We will be running one night a week there!

p.s the old Imax is being turned into a new nightclub, which should be opening soon. We will be running one night a week there!

Really? Because there is already some function place/bar that says its not open to the public.

Is this being taken over or is this an addition.

What kind of club, ie what tunes?

hmm im not sure of the specifics...all i know is its licensed for 600 people. and its playing electro/house/fidget on the night we are running. www.strike3productions.com is the website for our company

Your website needs to be checked out. I don't have permission to view it, so it says.

Thats interesting, I'll be interested in checking it out.

works for me

works for me

Obviously you have permission then.
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There's an age filter so u olf bastards are wasting your time

There's an age filter so u olf bastards are wasting your time

Ah that would make sense then. I assume the cutoff is 30 then?

P.S. I resent that comment - I am not a bastard because my parents were married when I was born. :lol:

There's an age filter so u olf bastards are wasting your time

I wondered why I couldn't get onto the Fat Cat website.

I can't get onto the TT website either. Is there an IQ filter?

it should work :S it is just a site about the promotions company, so a bit weird. google strike 3 productions

Wierd. Google it and it works but not from your link.

http://strike3productions.com/ works, http://www.strike3productions.com/ does not.

http://strike3productions.com/ works, http://www.strike3productions.com/ does not.

wotever u r all talkin bout neither of these worked for me

Now www works for me and without www doesn't.

k it works for me if i take of http://

yeah - looks like the http:// needs to come off.

p7 today's West

Seven seeks land nod for city move
KIM MACDONALD

Channel 7 is considering selling its Dianella home for redevelopment and moving its WA headquarters to the mothballed Perth Entertainment Centre, which the network owns, or another city site.

Managing director Ray Waldrop confirmed the group was seeking a new base, but it would only go ahead if it could rezone the Dianella land it has called home for 50 years.

Developer Nigel Satterley has three concept plans for an upmarket residential development at the 7ha Dianella site, which could include 81, 85 or 94 dwellings.

Mr Satterley said the proposed development would be at the premium end of the market, similar to Subi Centre, and many homes would have city views.

The plans have been shown to Stirling City Council and some community groups, but there has been no formal development bid.

Mr Waldrop said the current base was too big. Staff numbers had dropped to only one-third of the total once employed.

He said the rezoning of Gay Street, Dianella, would also create relocation opportunities for Channels 9 and 10, which have blocks of similar size in the neighbourhood.

It is understood Channel 9 is seeking approval to develop its property in conjunction with Mirvac, and Channel 10 has appointed a planning consultant to consider its options.

Mr Waldrop said he did not expect any community opposition because the proposed development would not affect bush in Cotton-wood Reserve or the many kangaroos in the area.

The idea has gained in-principle support from Stirling mayor David Boothman, who said it would not be difficult to change the zoning.

But Cr Elizabeth Re, a member of the council's planning committee, said it was not a suitable site for housing because of its environmental significance.

Friends of Dianella Bushland spokeswoman Jan Bant said the group would keep a close eye on plans to ensure bush preservation.

Premier Colin Barnett backed a move to the city.

"To move that technology into the central city area, which is in part the business community but also the centre for arts and commercial development, I think it adds vitality to the city," Mr Barnett said.

Seven Network chief Kerry Stokes is also the chairman of WA Newspapers.

Oh lordy lord! Channel 7 have common sense... maybe a little bit :lol:

they would get shyte loads of dosh selling the Dianella site compared to the very small Perth site...

p.s the old Imax is being turned into a new nightclub, which should be opening soon. We will be running one night a week there!

The old IMAX is a function centre/theatre/private bar called Empyrean, not a club as such. http://www.empyrean.net.au

This Could be interesting

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/coffin-cheater-rolls-into-northbridge-forum-20090519-bdtp.html

Coffin Cheater rolls into Northbridge Forum

* Chris Thomson
* May 20, 2009 - 7:51AM

Prominent Coffin Cheater bikie Eddie Withnell will lock horns today with Lord Mayor Lisa Scaffidi at a Future Northbridge forum hosted by Radio 6PR afternoon talkback king Howard Sattler.

"We hope to achieve a lot more than what's been achieved so far," Sattler said of the troubled nightspot precinct.

"We'll be looking at issues like trading hours, vehicle access, actually enforcing the curfew in there, finally providing adequate lighting and the whole issue about getting the State Government to commit to the Northbridge Link project."

Voodoo Lounge owner Mr Withnell and Ms Scaffidi will be joined by Town of Vincent Mayor Nick Catania, Police Superintendent Gary Budge and Child Protection Minister Robin McSweeney.

"There'll be four panels and at the end of each panel we're going to seek commitments," Sattler said.

"And I'll follow up on those commitments on the show, especially the Link project because without it Northbridge will always be on the wrong side of the tracks - quite literally."

Sattler's Future Northbridge Forum will be held at the Empyrean Function Centre (the old IMAX Theatre), 12 Lake St, between 4pm and 6pm, and broadcast live to air. Doors will open to the public from 3.30pm.

might go down after work since i am a concerned rate paying local... :-P

p61 today's West

Link plan 'needs new body'
Cathy Saunders

Development of the Northbridge Link should be taken out of the hands of East Perth Redevelopment Authority immediately and vested in a new authority in a bid to ensure the project achieves its potential of creating a "mini-London", according to a local agent.

James Limnios, chief executive of The Limnios Property Group, which has specialised in the inner-city real estate market for the past 40 years, said the Link needed a dedicated authority because of the massive scale of the project and its importance to WA.

"The new body should be headed by a dynamic and dedicated CEO who will drive the Northbridge Link, which has been talked about but never become a reality for over 30 years," he said.

Bu State Planning Minister John Day said he was not convinced that EPRA should not remain as the planning body for the project.

H expected the final plan for the western end of the Link - the site of the Entertainment Centre and Perth Arena - would not differ dramatically from the master plan but the eastern end was likely to have bigger areas of open space and a bigger town square.

Given that the project would take several years to complete, he hoped the problems of Northbridge such as crime, violence and noise would be resolved and retail and commercial businesses would be interested in moving there.

The Federal Government allocated $236 million for the Northbridge Link project in the Budget and the State Government has agreed to match it.

Mr Limnios said the Link would make Perth a proper international city, like a smaller version of London, with offices, residences and green space.

"It is so important to get it right," he said. "You are physically connecting the CBD and expanding it through to the cultural and entertainment precinct."

The State Government should urgently create a new authority, which would comprise representatives from the Premier's Department, EPRA, business and community leaders from the Perth inner city and the Perth Lord Mayor.

"To date, the East Perth Redevelopment has helped co-ordinate the project," Mr Limnios said. "While EPRA has done a fantastic job to date, the public interest would be better served with a new body which was solely focused on this development."

EPRA was already busy overseeing the developments of Subiaco, East Perth and the Perth waterfront, he said.

By establishing a dedicated authority which has clear terms of reference, the Government will ensure that this project cuts through any red tape and is undertaken in a speedy but responsible manner," he said.

Mr Day said he had decided some time ago to establish a planning steering group for the Northbridge Link sand the first meeting was due soon. It was made up of members from a range of government departments, including EPRA and the Perth City Council.

I think he just wants to be in this "new body"... EPRA is fine, why change the coach halfway thru the game??

lawl- subi redevelopment is done by the SRA and waterfront is landcorp.

Still not resting easy re- public square at celebration place. Batten down for major disappointment imo.

I'd be OK if they just took out the 'landmark' tower and made that a bigger open space, as long as they make a huge effort to activate it.

Yes I'm not sure how nervous to be. When does the final plan get released?

I think he just wants to be in this "new body"... EPRA is fine, why change the coach halfway thru the game??

i'm with you...i think he wants to be in the new body.

and as if the NB Link area is going to become a "mini - London". It will be nothing like it.

yeah everyone's peddling their own interests. limnios can suck my balls (not literally of course)

Dont know if anyone saw ACA tonight about Northbridge anti-social behaviour and the shut down of the Rock Nightclub.


Got to say that chick from ACA host is so useless at interviewing (she was interviewing the licensor of the Rock Nightclub).

Just keeps repeating stupid questions like:

ACA Host: "Do you have a criminal record"?

Reply "Umm no, or else I wouldnt be able to obtain a license to operate a nightclub"

ACA Host: "Yes but have you ever been convicted of a crime".

It was something along these lines...

^^ I seen it, It was so stupid, shes stupid I could hardly watch it shes so annoying!
Bloody cant do news for crap, I'm only watching it hopfully hoping to see something interesting ><
I wish there was a Inner City Development new on tv!

Mini London - so like Brixton, Chelsea, Picadilly Circus (would be nice), Covent Garden, EC, Notting Hill? Which part of London? Or just Union Jack Square?

Mini London - so like Brixton, Chelsea, Picadilly Circus (would be nice), Covent Garden, EC, Notting Hill? Which part of London? Or just Union Jack Square?

Be nice to have a mini Picadilly Circus, just cleaner :D

Lol at "mini London" haha. The proper original plan if put through would be nothing like London but would still be excellent. Perth doesn't need to be like London or anywhere else - it just needs to look at what works around the world, what's been tried and succeeded and implement that into Perth with modifications for Perth when required. I've seen so many great cities over the past 3 months and I wouldn't really describe any of them as "mini" any of the others. Sure they all have similar successful elements which run through them all but they are all great and stand out on their own.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Miensie/SCAN0305_001.jpg

Where is that and the one you put in the Inner City Development thread from?

Where is that and the one you put in the Inner City Development thread from?

Good question!

Erm...my apartment gets 3 newspapers - The Voice...I can't remember the name of the other 2.

samby, help a body out here? :D


- EDIT -
Aha! It's just hit me - The Guardian Express.

Are we getting a new museum?

Maybe im mis-interpreting it or the article is full of shit but 8 mill to demolish the Francis st one.

pretty good news all up. But can John Hyde just f**k off and keep his nose out of it please. people don't give a shit about his geriatric manbags or boomgates or his opinion about NBL

Miensie - I only get the 2 you already mentioned.

Are we getting a new museum?

Maybe im mis-interpreting it or the article is full of shit but 8 mill to demolish the Francis st one.

it's probably to demolish the building which is closed and is full of asbestos.

i like those state funding allocations... woof!

ps. $10m on changing tha facade of tha art gallery has me excited tha most... i quite like tha art gallery shape but fvckn despise tha yellow bricks! with $10m tha possibilities are endless... maybe glass? rust?

that $10m should also open up the roof for a cinema.

I think in the next 5 years (ok may be 10) the area in and around the cultural centre will be significantly improved, all the way to willliam st, NB etc. We'll be looking back and saying, remember when this used to be a shithole. (I hope)

i like those state funding allocations... woof!

ps. $10m on changing tha facade of tha art gallery has me excited tha most... i quite like tha art gallery shape but fvckn despise tha yellow bricks! with $10m tha possibilities are endless... maybe glass? rust?

More likely a new splash of paint?

dunno if you'll have seen tha recent edition of monument magazine but it has tha basque health department on tha cover...

this is one example i like... you'd have some geometric shapes to cover tha art gallery on all sides... take out tha walls to expose a linear core.

now imagine you're walking across tha bridge from tha station and you see this mass expanse from roof to street level of something like that... then you walk thru tha precinct and you see this continue wrapping around tha building and then going towards tha water fountain then up around again... yum.

http://jornale.com.br/angel/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/basque_health_department_06-thumb-490x598.jpg

That doesn't really go with the surrounding buildings, and I swear I can see some overshadowing going on there. This building should never have been constructed! :lol:

um... why would an additional 600 people catch PT if the rail-line is sunk? or is that just some fluff so they could get funding...

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=143320

Northbridge Link to be completed by 2014: Rudd
22nd May 2009, 9:15 WST

Construction on the Northbridge Link will be complete by 2014, with the total redevelopment of the 13.5ha site complete by 2016, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd announced in Perth today.

The Federal Government announced that it would invest $236 million to the project during the Federal Budget earlier this month.

The project is expected to generate 350 construction jobs. The reconfiguration of the Northbridge rail line and platform is expected to attract an additional 600 passengers on the public transport network each day.

Tender for the project is expected to be issued shortly and completed by the end of this year.

PERTH

i heard Barry Strickland (one of the presenters on sunday) on RTR talking about this, sounds pretty interesting. Im going to be in a seminar all weekend but would definitely be there if not for that.

He made an interesting point that if the railway had been sunk a hundred years ago when it was first proposed he didnt think northbridge would be the multicultural place with character that it is now. he did tho think it is something definitely needed now for the city/

http://www.northbridgehistory.wa.gov.au/index.cfm?event=studiesDay

Register now for the 2009 Studies Day!!! history@dpc.wa.gov.au

The 2009 Northbridge History Studies Day will be held on Sunday, 24 May and promises to be an exciting programme. Download the Brochure to register for the Day.

The Northbridge History Project is delighted to be presenting the Northbridge History Studies Day in association with the City of Perth. Town of Vincent, Central TAFE and the History Council of Western Australia.

2009 Presenters include:

The Right Honourable The Lord Mayor Lisa Scaffidi: Creating Northbridge’s future through recognition of its rich past

Dr Richard Walley: Welcome to Country and the Indigenous connection to Northbridge

Ms Diana Warnock: ‘Recollections of a raconteur’: remembering Northbridge

Dr Elaine Dowd: The ‘rosy’ glow of Northbridge - changing perceptions of prostitution

Mr Barry Strickland: ‘The wrong side of the tracks’ - culture in Northbridge

Dr Lise Summers: Civilising Ultima Thule: Northbridge - a case study in moral and physical improvement

Mrs Tanya Newport-Edwards: ‘Under attack?’ - wartime experience in Northbridge

Mr Ross McCallum: ‘Fleeting images’: film and presence in Northbridge

Mr Alan Lloyd: ‘Creating Alan’s Eye’: a personal journey through Northbridge

Cr Ian Ker: ‘Shaping Northbridge’: rails, roads and a sense of place

Ms Jo Darbyshire: Gay and Lesbian history in Northbridge

Assosciate Professor Samina Yasmeen: Muslim Australian Contributions: Bux Family as a Case Study

um... why would an additional 600 people catch PT if the rail-line is sunk? or is that just some fluff so they could get funding...

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=143320

Northbridge Link to be completed by 2014: Rudd
22nd May 2009, 9:15 WST

Construction on the Northbridge Link will be complete by 2014, with the total redevelopment of the 13.5ha site complete by 2016, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd announced in Perth today.

The Federal Government announced that it would invest $236 million to the project during the Federal Budget earlier this month.

The project is expected to generate 350 construction jobs. The reconfiguration of the Northbridge rail line and platform is expected to attract an additional 600 passengers on the public transport network each day.

Tender for the project is expected to be issued shortly and completed by the end of this year.

PERTH

The story now reads a bit longer.

Northbridge Link to be completed by 2014: Rudd

22nd May 2009, 10:30 WST

Construction on the Northbridge Link will be complete by 2014, with the total redevelopment of the 13.5ha site complete by 2016, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd announced in Perth today.

The Federal Government announced that it would invest $236 million to the project during the Federal Budget earlier this month.

Premier Colin Barnett said with funding from the Commonwealth and State funding “that will now come forward” the project would go ahead after 100 years in the planning.

“It’s in fact three projects – the first part is to sink the rail line over a stretch of around 400m, the second project is to sink the bus station, which is another major barrier between the city and Northbridge and the third project is the landscaping to create a significant town square and the urban redevelopment… that will take place,” Mr Barnett said.

“The project, along with ultimately a waterfront development, together will perhaps be the greatest transformation of the city of Perth in half a century.

“It’s a project that will connect the city with Northbridge, it will result in a far better integration of both rail and bus services and it will create a large, central open space area as a future heart of the city of Perth.

“It’s a complex project, it’s difficult engineering and obviously maintaining rail and bus services during construction will be difficult. But the intention is that the total project will cost around $470 million, that’s not including what’s built on top.”

The project is expected to generate 350 construction jobs. The reconfiguration of the Northbridge rail line and platform is expected to attract an additional 600 passengers on the public transport network each day.

Tender for the project is expected to be issued shortly and completed by the end of this year.

PERTH
STAFF REPORTERS

Well at least we'll have a town square so we can finally hold proper lynchings!

...No really, what are we doing with another town square within spitting distance of forrest place AND the cultural centre?

lol. i don't really know why you would even say it woud add 600/day... it's seems almost insignificant...

it's actually quite silly reporting/writing... lol.

The project is expected to generate 350 construction jobs. The reconfiguration of the Northbridge rail line and platform is expected to attract an additional 600 passengers on the public transport network each day.

what does even mean? what's your point?

we'll end up with a town square befitting of tha surrounds... no more, no less... i'm quietly confident on that front. it just sucks to have barnett utter it from his mouth...

It will also increase sales of Gloria Jeans latte's by 2%.

Gloria Jeans and other franchises will be the only companies who will be able to afford NB rents after this is done.

Goodbye cheap Northbridge, I knew you well.

i don't think so...

yeah i think that's a little overdramatic on several counts. You can't leave an area (prime inner city land) in a 'dumplike' state just to keep the rents down (which isn't that cheap anyway)

Perhaps my economic theories are wrong...

Perceived shitty area seperate from CBD = low rents.

New shiney part of the extended CBD = high rents.

Low rents = independent business and variety.

High rents = franchises and lack of diversity.

..know of any examples that break these rules in Perth, or any other city? Please prove me wrong, I want Northbridge to retain vibrancy and diversity.

(like it or not, as it is, Northbridge is the most vibrant, diverse, and multi-cultural precinct in the entire city)

Bit of a generalisation (subi, mt lawley leedie doing reaosnably well in that dept) but let's assume what you're saying is true you can't hold back development for that reason.
Lot's of disused land around NB because owners are reluctant to develop.
Bottom line you can't let area so close to the city deteriorate just to keep rents down. There's gotta be a trade-off. Potential additonal traffic and patronage may somewhat offset higher rents

Bit of a generalisation (subi, mt lawley leedie doing reaosnably well in that dept) but let's assume what you're saying is true you can't hold back development for that reason.
Lot's of disused land around NB because owners are reluctant to develop.
Bottom line you can't let area so close to the city deteriorate just to keep rents down. There's gotta be a trade-off. Potential additonal traffic and patronage may somewhat offset higher rents
Supply will increase, both from the link itself and redevelopments in NB, which will also offset demand-based rent increases.

Bit of a generalisation (subi, mt lawley leedie doing reaosnably well in that dept) but let's assume what you're saying is true you can't hold back development for that reason.
Lot's of disused land around NB because owners are reluctant to develop.
Bottom line you can't let area so close to the city deteriorate just to keep rents down. There's gotta be a trade-off. Potential additonal traffic and patronage may somewhat offset higher rents

Exactly, the population between Bulwer and Wellington is going to explode.

NB right now is not really that great atm, I am on the lake/newcastle side and it is dead between 7am Monday til 5pm Friday!!

For the life of me, I can't think of a single example where a shiney new part of the city is more diverse and vibrant than other areas in the same city where vibrancy and diversity have organically developed over time. Not one example. Anyone?

I also can't think of one example where things (food/shopping etc) are cheaper in a new shiney part of city compared to the older parts. Not one example, worldwide. Anyone?

Personally, I have visited more than twenty countries, and have probably seen more than one hundred cities.

The realestate on and around the NBL will be amongst the most expensive in the city.

I would bet my future on that.

(Samboy - I'm not against it being built, I'm no nimby...)

I don't think the Link will be 'more diverse', however I do believe diversity will still remain in Northbridge.

I think you're expecting a bit much from this development. The Link just bridges the gap between the CBD and Northies. Thats it. Its not going to drive a cultural renaissance.

For the life of me, I can't think of a single example where a shiney new part of the city is more diverse and vibrant than other areas in the same city where vibrancy and diversity have organically developed over time. Not one example. Anyone?

I also can't think of one example where things (food/shopping etc) are cheaper in a new shiney part of city compared to the older parts. Not one example, worldwide. Anyone?

Personally, I have visited more than twenty countries, and have probably seen more than one hundred cities.

The realestate on and around the NBL will be amongst the most expensive in the city.

I would bet my future on that.

(Samboy - I'm not against it being built, I'm no nimby...)

To be honest I still don't get your point. What you are saying is somewhat stating the obvious. So what's your point? Leave it as is to maintain the 'vibrancy' and 'diversity' of Nbridge? I get that bldgs don't necessarily create culture overnight.
It's a life cycle, areas grow over time and develop their own character. By your logic (and I may be making and assumption here as I still don't get it) we should leave things as they are until they start crumbling (much like roe street) as that would maintain the character of an adjacent area?
Me no understand.

What about King St? Old part of the city thats worth much more than newer parts of the city.

London is a very good example. Knightsbridge compared to say Canary Wharf.

I don't know of one example where a dirty great big railway line dividing the city is preferred over a nice shiny new development.

yeah ok fuckers...

..anyway, where is the latest NBL plan located?

I thought they were doing a 'revised' one for tenure at the end of the year?

..anyway, where is the latest NBL plan located?

http://www.epra.wa.gov.au/Documents/The-Link/The-Link-Final-Scheme-Report is the final text and has a nice map of all EPRA areas, http://www.epra.wa.gov.au/Projects/The-Link/ is the main website.

The Scheme Amendment and proposed Design Guidelines will remove any reference to the R-Codes or residential density to enable appropriate built form outcomes that are desirable for this city centre location.

im dying to see the revised plan. anyone have any idea when something might be released?

my guess is that the land on top of the bus station to king street will be the new town square. hopefully they see sense in keeping the horseshoe tower so the square isnt bookended just by the horseshoe bridge itself.

my guess is that the horseshoe tower plus two adjacent towers will be deleted.

Loook...everbody want to be in a new body...move on.....

^ t fuck?

my guess is that the horseshoe tower plus two adjacent towers will be deleted.

those towers were going to be be built by private developers anyway (if at all) so deleted or not shouldn't make too much difference. As you well know those indicative renders don't mean shit. I'd be more interested to see what they do with the stuff the govt's going to build

gawd samboy, indicitive=actual real life forever never gonna change. Just like the waterfront.

i wish this would just hurry up... we can look forward to more shufflers in our new millenium plaza...

zRomZk1alLw

That shit takes me back. We danced similar but less gay and we didn't have a name for it. Well it was just called raving.

Total vegetarians.

i wish this would just hurry up... we can look forward to more shufflers in our new millenium plaza...

zRomZk1alLw

ROFLMAO. They're just kids, and their trousers are so stupid! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

So is the Northbridge Link actually going ahead? It got sufficient funds from the Feds didn't it?

I wonder if they'll have a naming competition just like the Hungry Mile did. Hopefully they come up with something a bit better than sodding 'Barangaroo' though.

I bet the name gets stolen from some other trendy part of the world... "Soho" or "Upper West Side" - something like that.

I would suggest SoNo (South Of NOrthbridge). Any ideas kids?

Well, it got Federal $, but the State Govt didn't put money towards it in the Budget. But that was probably just to make it look like the Budget was in surplus.

I would suggest SoNo (South Of NOrthbridge). Any ideas kids?
How about "Nope" (North Of PErth)? Very befitting of "the city that says no" (as Charles Landry liked to call it).

I thought calling the King-Lake St connection "Link St" would be kinda cool, since that is both its actual function and a sort-of combination of the words "king" and "lake". But I suppose it would be a bit silly having a separate name just for that small section in the middle, especially when its intention is to integrate, not separate.

ROFLMAO. They're just kids, and their trousers are so stupid! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

So is the Northbridge Link actually going ahead? It got sufficient funds from the Feds didn't it?

I wonder if they'll have a naming competition just like the Hungry Mile did. Hopefully they come up with something a bit better than sodding 'Barangaroo' though.

I bet the name gets stolen from some other trendy part of the world... "Soho" or "Upper West Side" - something like that.

I would suggest SoNo (South Of NOrthbridge). Any ideas kids?

those 'raver' kids are the new emos.

For the life of me, I can't think of a single example where a shiney new part of the city is more diverse and vibrant than other areas in the same city where vibrancy and diversity have organically developed over time. Not one example. Anyone?

I also can't think of one example where things (food/shopping etc) are cheaper in a new shiney part of city compared to the older parts. Not one example, worldwide. Anyone?

Personally, I have visited more than twenty countries, and have probably seen more than one hundred cities.

The realestate on and around the NBL will be amongst the most expensive in the city.

I would bet my future on that.

(Samboy - I'm not against it being built, I'm no nimby...)

Harbour town? that is new, shiney, vibrant and cheap!! :lol:

Well, it got Federal $, but the State Govt didn't put money towards it in the Budget. But that was probably just to make it look like the Budget was in surplus.

Most likely, but they dont need to allocate the entire funds for this in one budget, the feds money is enough to get half way.

I guess it is unusual because the Fed Govt is willing to put its $ upfront and not dollar for dollar from the beginning. But the State Govt is still pretending to balance its Budget by not allocating their $.

Apparently the announcement for fed funding came to late to include in the state budget and they are bringing the funds forward. I think it will be included by the time the house votes to pass the budget in a month or so.

Apparently the announcement for fed funding came to late to include in the state budget and they are bringing the funds forward. I think it will be included by the time the house votes to pass the budget in a month or so.

That's the official line, but most likely just spin. They would have known that $ were awarded in time for their Budget. Easier to say it was too late to include and viola a balanced Budget. Helps Barnett save face since he said there will always be a balanced Budget whilst he was Premier. [/cynic mode]

Bart - You have officially taken over me as the resident cynic on this forum, although your cynicism seems to be terribly skewed towards the state libs to the point where it makes no sense.
If Barnett had included this stuff in their own budget prior to the feds officially committing the funds I'm sure you would have popped up and said that it's just a stunt as we don't even know whether Rudd's going to fork out the money. (There's a lot of red tape involved in generating a budget so it can't be simply altered in a couple of days)

Bernett did the right thing and followed protocol so they wouldn't come across as being presumptuous or arrogant regardless of whether they knew the funds were forthcoming or not.

You can't have it both ways.

^ that makes no sense.

There was some media coverage re. holes in the state budget in fridays paper. According to the state political journo, more will be revealed in the coming weeks as it is examined closer.

One has nothing to do with the other. I was talking specifically about NBL funding.
There's always holes in every budget, and typically the media has a field day with it until the level of interest dies down and people move onto the next 'hot' topic

Maybe - but you'd still have to say it is convenient it does help the Budget surplus status. I'll be interested to see how they incorporate it into this Budget. My money will be on some creative accounting where it is put in future Budgets to delay it appearing. Not like it is unusual - look at the Federal Government using the Treasury's rubbery future estimates.

Well then why didn't Barnett come out and say we are committing these funds to NBL IFfederal funding comes through?

I like Barts theory.

What samboy's trying to say is that Barnett would have looked the fool if he committed money and the Fed's didn't come to the table in a last minute change (possibly designed to do just that). Although, this assumes that Barnett didn't intend on committing $ to the project unless the Feds did first.

Barnett stated that NB link will happen with or without federal money.

So he could have announced funding with the provision the Federal funding comes through. If it didn't come through then he could transfer the funds to schools or hospitals or put back into surplus.

Barnett stated that NB link will happen with or without federal money.

If that is the case he never intended on putting in $ in this financial year.

Well then why didn't Barnett come out and say we are committing these funds to NBL IFfederal funding comes through?

I like Barts theory.

Because that's not how budget announcements work

So he could have announced funding with the provision the Federal funding comes through. If it didn't come through then he could transfer the funds to schools or hospitals or put back into surplus.

Again that's not how it works. This isn't a primary school assignment (Although you could be forgiven in perth ;))

If that is the case he never intended on putting in $ in this financial year.

yeah that's probably right bart. He intended but not this year.

In any case, it's a moot point. For once all the talk around this is positive and everything is pointing to a quick start (by perth stanards) so no point in arguing and politicising it any further. It's a win, let's move onto something else to speculate about. Treasury? Cultural centre? something else?

Att gallery facade upgrade! I want to know what they will do with it!!

does anyone have a copy of the 1911 3d artists drawing with the town square?

i really want to see it again in context.

Northbridge Link a tale of many storeys

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=144392

28th May 2009, 6:00 WST

Towers of up to 25 storeys are earmarked for three sites within the Northbridge Link with five other areas flagged for 16-storey buildings under detailed guidelines.

Prepared by project manager, the East Perth Redevelopment Authority, the guidelines set aside an area above the future underground Wellington Street bus station for a mixed-use development and describe a community space with a 24-hour supermarket, bar or small pub at nearby Queens Square.

The guidelines earmark the junction of Wellington Street and the new Kings Square for a nine-storey building with a mix of community and civic uses.

Four buildings around a central square are flagged for the Entertainment Centre site, with two up to 16 storeys and two up to 25 storeys on Wellington Street.

Under the design guidelines, the link is detailed as a mix of mid-rise buildings with defining nodes of high-rise around key public places.

The location of the towers is expected to create a square in each precinct with ground-level shops, cafes and restaurants.

Low-rise development of up to six storeys is planned for Roe Street along with four high-profile public spaces known as Queens Square, Kings Square, Arena Plaza and Celebration Place.

BEATRICE THOMAS

Low-rise development of up to six storeys is planned for Roe Street along with four high-profile public spaces known as Queens Square, Kings Square, Arena Plaza and Celebration Place.



What is a 'high-profile public space'. How does it differ to any other public space? Sounds like a load of spin to me.

It's a space with a NAME. Minor detail, doesn't matter.

That article is based on nothing new, its complete filler for a current hot topic.

pretty much. may be the writer is on work experience getting some hours/articles in

beatrice has been around?

no idea..i was just kidding anyway

mmm true, anyway slow news month... someone take pictures... things have certainly dried up in construction... woof.

beatrice is very beautiful. we met her at the waterfront lecture at UWA.

i understand that she has taken over urbanwriter's role as urban reporter.

must be a slow news day on the building and planning front.

it was only a side column.

from what i gather tonight, the large public space component of the link is still up in the air.

it was only a side column.

from what i gather tonight, the large public space component of the link is still up in the air.

As in the increased public space in comparison to the EPRA plan we have already seen?

yeah.

I will be happy to get what was in the EPRA plans then. Actually, I think I will prefer it to an increased amount. It is the activation of the buildings in the form of shops, laneways with restaurants/cafes which will be just as important as the open spaces. The main ones at either ends (near PA and Horseshoe Bridge) which are the important public spaces.

The building heights are still shitting me. i guess larger towers do require a larger footprint, which affects the built form they are trying to achieve at street level, the blocks they are creating arent big enough for viable 35 floor towers.

horseshoe or at least another at the west end should be a landmark at 40+.

30-35 floors on tha horsebridge is more tha adequate...

very very high chance horseshoe bridge tower will be deleted.

Is there height restriction? say if someone wanted to build a 30story tower?
or are the sites to small ?

Yes as always there are restrictions, the article states 3x25st towers, and 5x16st towers.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the original plan was to have 6x25st towers, 6x16st and 1 signature tower. Yes?

The way I look at this is that smaller structures are probably better in the sense that the entire area can be covered sooner. (have to think about the demand side of the equation too)

There Goverment towers thought are they not? what if someone else wants to build taller, or are the ones you just said there has to be 3x25st towers, and 5x16st towers? if so thats completly stupid.

they are NOT govt towers. The govt will fund open spaces. Private developers (therefore DEMAND) will dictate what goes on top (in line with design guidelines).

i would actually prefer tha taller towers on tha south side of wellington street... we're talking 3-4 30+storeys....

wellington st goes from east to west

they are NOT govt towers. The govt will fund open spaces. Private developers (therefore DEMAND) will dictate what goes on top (in line with design guidelines).

Ohhh, thankyou samboy I understand now :D

and? :p

buyers of sites enter clauses that they must begin development within a few years of purchase. Not quite sure what samboy is getting at. There will be sufficient demant for 1,500 apartments over a ten year period.

dilaz.. it's not rocket science.... the more apts you have to longer it will take to build based on demand. that's my point really.

Hence I'm saying it's not all bad news that we don't necessarily get so many taller towers as the area will be built out faster. (just one positive point)

and? :p

i couldn't understand what south end of wellington meant within the context of the NBL development.

The way I look at this is that smaller structures are probably better in the sense that the entire area can be covered sooner. (have to think about the demand side of the equation too)

Nah I don't buy that.

should be a number of 16 plus towers as stated. MINIMUM height restrictions placed on developers.

This should be ready to go by the next property boom cycle.

There's nothing to buy. I'm speaking in relative terms. It's not my opinion, it's common sense. I'm just saying a large plate of food will get consumed slower than a small plate. Anyway never mind forget I mentioned it.

im pretty sure wht the old fella is saying is that taller/bigger buildings generally have more chance of not happening due to higher cost of funding, more presales needed etc whereas smaller buildings generally have a better chance of being built, which is why in this case shorter buildings would mean they all go up quicker and the space is filled sooner.

I understand what your saying old man but I'd rather wait and get it done properly than fill up fast with junk. Unless it meant real high quality, inspiring designs (Perth Arenea) then I'd go for it.

Taken in context of what was dicussed last night with jan gehl, this idea of having tall towers on the NBL seems particularly old-fashioned.

I doubt that it will happen, and for very good reason.