Project Introduction:

The Karnataka Government is planning to build a high-speed rail to connect the city centre to the Bangalore International Airport Devanahalli at a cost of above Rs 6,000 crore. The high-speed rail will start from BRV Grounds on MG Road . It will have two stops at Hebbal and Yelahanka before reaching the airport. It is expected to cover the 34-km distance in less than 25 minutes.

The State Government has shortlisted five consortia for executing the project under public-private partnership. The final concessionaire is expected to be appointed in October 2010 and construction is likely to begin in January 2011.

The short listed consortia are:

Reliance Infrastructure and CSR Nanjing Puzhen Rolling Stock Company of China
Larsen & Toubro and Transco Ltd
ITD-ITD Cementation joint venture (Italian–Thai Development Public Company and ITD Cementation India Limited)
Pioneer Infratech and Siemens Project Ventures Gmbh
Lanco Infratech and OHL Concesiones


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Dont drop rail link: Sreedharan

P M Raghunandan,S Praveen Dhaneshkar,DHNS,B'lore:

Delhi Metro Rail Corporation (DMRC) chief E Sreedharan has advised Chief Minister Yeddyurappa not to derail the proposed high speed rail link (HSRL) project which, according to him, is badly needed for the City.

Sreedharan’s advice comes close on the heels of the State Government almost deciding to give up the proposed HSRL to Bangalore International Airport (BIA).

In a three-page letter to the chief minister dated September 30, 2008, Sreedharan has expressed “surprise” at the government’s examining a new metro alignment to the BIA. “When the HSRL project has been put on a fast track, it was surprising to know from newspapers that the government is examining a new metro alignment to the BIA. Any talk of a metro connection to the BIA will completely derail the badly needed HSRL to the airport,” he stated in the letter.

It is learnt that the government has set the ball rolling for possible alternatives to the HSRL. Once ready, the matter will be placed before the State Cabinet to come out with a government order to drop the HSRL project.
The rail link to the BIAL came up for discussion at the Agenda for Bangalore Infrastructure Development (ABIDe) meeting on September 26, 2008. Many members felt the HSRL will be expensive and that the metro should be implemented to the airport also.

Project put on hold

Following the meeting, Karnataka State Industrial Investment and Development Corporation, the nodal agency to implement the HSRL project, has virtually put the project on hold. It has even stopped communication with companies that have filed expression of interest documents to implement the project.

As many as 25 big companies, including Reliance Infrastructure, Tata Realty and Infrastructure (both India), Mitsubishi Corporation, (Japan), CAF, Construcciones Network Ltd and IERS (South Africa), Dywidag (Germany) and Alstom Transport (France), have interests in the project, proposed to be implemented on a build-operate-and-transfer basis on 30-year lease.

The managing director of DMRC, consultant for the HSRL project, has listed 13points explaining how the HSRL is better suited to connect Bangalore City with the airport than other rail systems, including metro. He has offered to personally come down to Bangalore to clarify the subject, if necessary, to the chief minister.

The Infrastructure Development Department and ABIDe have already sent proposals to the South Western Railways and the BMRCL to suggest cost-effective and quick transfer alternatives to reach the BIAL. Letters to this effect have already been dispatched by the principal secretary of the Infrastructure Department to the CEO of the BIAL informing them about the proposal to introduce an exclusive train service by the SWR between BIAL and the City, via Yeshwanthpur and Yelahanka.

A copy of the letter available with Deccan Herald states that the train will have four coaches with a maximum capacity of 1,000 passengers to ply to Devanahalli from the City Railway Station and Bangalore Cantonment Station. A platform and ticketing counter at the BIAL flyover has also been proposed.

Dont drop rail link: Sreedharan

P M Raghunandan,S Praveen Dhaneshkar,DHNS,B'lore:

Delhi Metro Rail Corporation (DMRC) chief E Sreedharan has advised Chief Minister Yeddyurappa not to derail the proposed high speed rail link (HSRL) project which, according to him, is badly needed for the City.

Sreedharan’s advice comes close on the heels of the State Government almost deciding to give up the proposed HSRL to Bangalore International Airport (BIA).

In a three-page letter to the chief minister dated September 30, 2008, Sreedharan has expressed “surprise” at the government’s examining a new metro alignment to the BIA. “When the HSRL project has been put on a fast track, it was surprising to know from newspapers that the government is examining a new metro alignment to the BIA. Any talk of a metro connection to the BIA will completely derail the badly needed HSRL to the airport,” he stated in the letter.

It is learnt that the government has set the ball rolling for possible alternatives to the HSRL. Once ready, the matter will be placed before the State Cabinet to come out with a government order to drop the HSRL project.
The rail link to the BIAL came up for discussion at the Agenda for Bangalore Infrastructure Development (ABIDe) meeting on September 26, 2008. Many members felt the HSRL will be expensive and that the metro should be implemented to the airport also.

Project put on hold

Following the meeting, Karnataka State Industrial Investment and Development Corporation, the nodal agency to implement the HSRL project, has virtually put the project on hold. It has even stopped communication with companies that have filed expression of interest documents to implement the project.

As many as 25 big companies, including Reliance Infrastructure, Tata Realty and Infrastructure (both India), Mitsubishi Corporation, (Japan), CAF, Construcciones Network Ltd and IERS (South Africa), Dywidag (Germany) and Alstom Transport (France), have interests in the project, proposed to be implemented on a build-operate-and-transfer basis on 30-year lease.

The managing director of DMRC, consultant for the HSRL project, has listed 13points explaining how the HSRL is better suited to connect Bangalore City with the airport than other rail systems, including metro. He has offered to personally come down to Bangalore to clarify the subject, if necessary, to the chief minister.

The Infrastructure Development Department and ABIDe have already sent proposals to the South Western Railways and the BMRCL to suggest cost-effective and quick transfer alternatives to reach the BIAL. Letters to this effect have already been dispatched by the principal secretary of the Infrastructure Department to the CEO of the BIAL informing them about the proposal to introduce an exclusive train service by the SWR between BIAL and the City, via Yeshwanthpur and Yelahanka.

A copy of the letter available with Deccan Herald states that the train will have four coaches with a maximum capacity of 1,000 passengers to ply to Devanahalli from the City Railway Station and Bangalore Cantonment Station. A platform and ticketing counter at the BIAL flyover has also been proposed.
Source: Deccan Herald
07 Jan 2009

HSRL is cheaper and ideal: Sreedharan

S Praveen Dhaneshkar,P M Raghunandan,DH News Service,Bangalore:

DMRC Chief E Sreedharan has warned the State government that any talk of an alternative to high speed rail link to Bangalore International Airport at this juncture, would dissuade and discourage the private companies, which have come forward to implement the project.

“The government should never think of a metro to the airport in the present context and once the HSRL is in position, there will be no need for a metro at all,” he stated in the letter to the CM.
According the DMRC MD, HSRL costs only Rs 3,800 crore, while metro to BIA costs at least Rs 5,000 crore. Moreover, the government has to make huge investments as equity for metro, while HSRL is proposed on public private partnership model and the government would spend only a small amount.
However, Prof M N Sreehari, Advisor to the State government for Traffic, Transport and Infrastructure and expert member, ABIDe said, “The whole aim of an alternative is to suggest alternatives that are cost effective or worth implementing with the available infrastructure. One proposal already sent to the SWR entails running the train that terminates at Yerthaganahalli, near the trumpet interchange loop to BIA. With available infrastructure the SWR has to just construct a station. It will be a one hour journey. A reply from the SWR is awaited.”

Metro too in race

Meanwhile, the BMRCL also confirmed receiving a proposal from the Infrastructure Development Department asking it to conduct a pre-feasibility survey to connect the BIA from Byappanahalli, with it having an advantage of being a depot and terminating point of metro rail in the Eastern part of the City.

Revival of proposal

N Sivasailam, MD of BMRCL said, “RITES had earlier (2005) done a report to have the ‘Namma Metro’ run upto Devanahalli. It will be a fresh relook into reviving the proposal. We should be able to complete the survey project in three times time. The Ministry of Urban Development (MuD) at the Centre would contribute 80 per cent of the project cost, while the State will fund the remaining 20 percent”
HSRL global tenders a waste of time and money ?
Over Rs 7 crore of tax-payers’ money will go down the drain if HSRL project is scrapped. Karnataka State Industrial Investment and Development Corporation (KSIIDC), the nodal agency entrusted to implement the project, has so far completed nearly nine per cent of work.
“We had called for global expression of interest for the Rs 5,700 crore HSRL project to BIA on a PPP model has already completed the RFQ (Request for Qualification) process after receiving bids from 27 companies/consortia,” official sources said.
The proposal for HSRL was first mooted in September 2007, during Governor’s rule when P K H Tharakan was special advisor to Rameshwar Thakur.

13 REASONS FAVOURING HSRL

*HSRL is cheaper than metro
*Metro needs large scale land acquisition
*Metro travel time from city to BIA is one hour, HSRL 23 minutes
*Metro cannot be implemented under PPP model
*Metro not ideal for connecting far off places like BIA
*Metro cannot have check-in facilities
*Metro connecting airport in other countries hardly patronised
*Metro to airport is not part of CTTP plan
*Metro needs heavy subsidies, HSRL does not need any.
*HSRL doesn’t need much land as it runs on pillars
*Metro is viable only if the ridership is over 25,000 per hour per direction
*With B’lore getting into the league of major international cities, HSRL is unavoidable
* Any talk of alternative will de-rail proposed HSRL
Source: Deccan Herald
07 Jan 2009

HEY PEOPLE LET'S KEEP TRACK OF HIGH SPEED RAIL LINK AFTER ALL IT'S AN ANOTHER JEWEL IN BANGALORE CROWN

What jewel in Bangalore's crown? The high speed rail link hasn't even taken off yet!

It's been proposed for years and they have yet to procure all the land they need.

What is the point of this thread if the first article you post is about the Bangalore Government deciding to drop the High Speed Rail Link?

Bangalore : The High Speed Rail Link (HSRL) to Bengaluru International Airport (BIA) is all set to pick up speed after initial hiccups.
The Rs 5,700-crore project is coming up for the Viability Gap Funding (VGF) review by the central government.

Notwithstanding the economic meltdown, 27 companies of international repute have applied for the public-private partnership (PPP) project.

Billed as one of the largest PPP projects, the proposal will be placed before the Centre for clearance to avail of Rs 1,040 crore, a grant to be released under VGF. The meeting, earlier scheduled for this week, has been postponed to May 10. Once the project is cleared, the VGF will be released during implementation.

The project was stalled for a while last year due to bureaucratic wrangles. Just when everything seemed on track, the infrastructure development department and ABIDe lobbied hard against it and suggested alternatives. However, the implementing agency, Karnataka State Industrial Investment Development Corporation (KSIIDC), and Delhi Metro Rail's E Sreedharan, pushed for the project. Finally, the state cabinet, which met in Belgaum during the legislative session in January, gave its nod -- all over again.

Earlier, tenders were floated for Request For Qualification in August but after cabinet approval, KSIIDC called for a second pre-bid meeting next month with the 27 firms which participated in the tendering process.

The 34-km rail link starts from M G Road and runs along the right side of the national highway to reach BIA. For the project, an estimated 162 acres have to be acquired, of which 130 are private and NHAI lands. Compensation of Rs 532 crore has been allocated for private lands and government/BBMP properties will be acquired free of cost.
source times of india 29 Apr 2009

yup exactly that's what i meant after initial hiccups the project is now gaining momentum and any project would have stiff resistance to start with & it has to be overcome the resistance as the project is in Bangalore's interest and according to mr.sheerdharan only hsrl can be implemented under ppp

Hi,


This is primarily to facilitate the High Speed Rail Link (HSRL), which is being taken up under the Mysore Tramway Act instead of the Railways Act. This is because the criteria demand that the project fall under an urban municipal body. If implemented under the Mysore Tramway Act, it will remain with the government and not the railways.

The government, in an order on February 28 issued to bring in certain modifications to the HSRL, has said: "Extend the BBMP area to cover Bengaluru International Airport area.'' According to BBMP commissioner S Subramanya, the inclusion has been mainly done keeping in view the HSRL. The Tramway Act, 1905, says the project can be taken up only on lands situated under an urban body, whereas now, the lands for the project are under suburban and rural areas.

thanks!

can anyone exp wat is hsrl and difference with metro,is their any design and dpr or just in proposal stage:)

can anyone exp wat is hsrl and difference with metro,is their any design and dpr or just in proposal stage:)
^^
Even I wanted to know about it.
if its for 34km
What speed rail would travel?
--120Kmp?
Won't there be any stoppings in between? if so how many?
-- if no stoppings then its nothing but a stupid plan.
--- if it work well, it will congest the MG Road.
-- if every 5 km one stopping, then Why HSRL?
--- We dont gain much time in travelling, rather it will be fuel inefficiency
--- What would be the time to reach BIA from MG Road?

WELL THERE WOULD BE TWO STOPS ON THE WAY ONE AT HEBBAL AND OTHER AT YELAHANKA THE COST WOULD BE 200 RS FROM M.G ROAD ,150 RS FROM HEBBAL AND 100 RS FROM YELAHANKA AND IT WOULD TAKE 23 MINS FROM MG ROAD TO B.I.A.L
THERE ARE ONLY TWO STOPS BECAUSE METRO FORM EVERY PART OF CITY IS LINKED TO MG ROAD ,MONO RAIL WHICH IS YET TO COMMENCE WILL LINK OUTER RING ROAD(WHICH ALSO CONNECTS HEBBAL) AND YELAHANKA
SO THESE TO STEPS SHOULD ENSURE FASTER CONNECTIVITY WITH LESS NUMBER OF STOPS BENEFITING MORE NUMBER OF PEOPLE

THE DIFFERENCE B/W H.S.R.L AND METRO IS H.S.R.L CAN BE IMPLEMENTED UNDER PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WHERE THE GOVT IS JUST PAYING FOR THE LAND AND REST OF THE MONEY FOR THE PROJECT IS PUMPED IN BY THE PRIVATE PARTNER .WHERE AS METRO CANNOT BE IMPLEMENTED UNDER PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP AND GOVT (STATE 75% CENTRAL 25%) HAS TO BEAR THE ENTIRE COST OF THE PROJECT .H.S.R.L REQUIRES LESS LAND THAN METRO. IN CASE OF HSRL AUTHORITY TO FIX THE TRAVEL FEE LIES WITH GOVT AND GOVT SHARE IS VERY NOMINAL WHICH INCLUDES JUST THE LAND COST AND PRIVATE OPERATOR CAN ENJOY THE BENEFITS FOR NEXT 30 YRS. AND TIME OF COMMUTE IS SHORTER IT TAKES 23 MINS FOR H.S.R.L AND 40-50 MINS FOR METRO

WELL THERE WOULD BE TWO STOPS ON THE WAY ONE AT HEBBAL AND OTHER AT YELAHANKA THE COST WOULD BE 200 RS FROM M.G ROAD ,150 RS FROM HEBBAL AND 100 RS FROM YELAHANKA AND IT WOULD TAKE 23 MINS FROM MG ROAD TO B.I.A.L
THERE ARE ONLY TWO STOPS BECAUSE METRO FORM EVERY PART OF CITY IS LINKED TO MG ROAD ,MONO RAIL WHICH IS YET TO COMMENCE WILL LINK OUTER RING ROAD(WHICH ALSO CONNECTS HEBBAL) AND YELAHANKA
SO THESE TO STEPS SHOULD ENSURE FASTER CONNECTIVITY WITH LESS NUMBER OF STOPS BENEFITING MORE NUMBER OF PEOPLE
^^
Thanks avinash,
Thats what my concern is, if I need to transfer the stations with luggages, I would prefer to go in a taxi. More over most of the time i'll be in official trips and wouldn't care about the taxi payment as my office would any way pay it.

High-speed rail to BIA gets green light
22 Jun 2009, 0437 hrs IST, S KUSHALA , TNN

Source (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/High-speed-rail-to-Bangalore-airport/articleshow/4685478.cms)

BANGALORE: The High Speed Rail Link (HSRL) to Bengaluru International Airport, which was on the drawing board for nearly two years, is set to see
some action. The Centre has given the go-ahead to the project, along with committing some funds, and has asked the implementing authorities to hasten it.

The project went for a review in May, and the Centre gave its nod and agreed to take care of the Viability Gap Funding. The VGF pattern has been worked out on three parameters, in which the land acquisition cost is not taken into account.

The implementing agency — Karnataka State Industrial Investment Development Corporation, which already has 27 bidders for the Request For Qualification — will open the bids in August last week. The next step is technical bids.

After several bureaucratic hitches, the Rs 5,767-crore project has gathered steam. The 34-km high-speed rail link will start from MG Road, run along the right side of National Highway up to BIA. The elevated train will go underground at BIA, below the airport lounge, which is 100 metres from check-in counters. It will take the underground route soon after the trumpet changeover for about 12 metres.

The project requires 162-acre land on the highway. With the market bust, the compensation amount has been estimated at Rs 532 crore. The HSRL will start from BRV Grounds and have two stops — at Hebbal and Yelahanka. There is a proposal for integration at Minsk Square of Phase I and Yelahanka of Phase II.
Funding devised on 3 parameters, P 3

High-speed rail to BIA gets green light
22 Jun 2009, 0437 hrs IST, S KUSHALA , TNN

BANGALORE: The High Speed Rail Link (HSRL) to Bengaluru International Airport, which was on the drawing board for nearly two years, is set to see
some action. The Centre has given the go-ahead to the project, along with committing some funds, and has asked the implementing authorities to hasten it.

The project went for a review in May, and the Centre gave its nod and agreed to take care of the Viability Gap Funding. The VGF pattern has been worked out on three parameters, in which the land acquisition cost is not taken into account.

The implementing agency — Karnataka State Industrial Investment Development Corporation, which already has 27 bidders for the Request For Qualification — will open the bids in August last week. The next step is technical bids.

After several bureaucratic hitches, the Rs 5,767-crore project has gathered steam. The 34-km high-speed rail link will start from MG Road, run along the right side of National Highway up to BIA. The elevated train will go underground at BIA, below the airport lounge, which is 100 metres from check-in counters. It will take the underground route soon after the trumpet changeover for about 12 metres.

The project requires 162-acre land on the highway. With the market bust, the compensation amount has been estimated at Rs 532 crore. The HSRL will start from BRV Grounds and have two stops — at Hebbal and Yelahanka. There is a proposal for integration at Minsk Square of Phase I and Yelahanka of Phase II.
Funding devised on 3 parameters, P 3

Ideal plan, Super.

congrats bangalore... hope this goes through...

Ideal plan, Super.

Great for Bangalore. I always wondered what could be the long term solution for traffic towards BIAL. One comment I have thought is they should probably have more stations en-route to the airport.

5000 crore rail link project for a 2000 crore airport that would be used by minority travellers? this is a big joke. i am sure bangalore has many more priority projects.

5000 crore rail link project for a 2000 crore airport that would be used by minority travellers? this is a big joke. i am sure bangalore has many more priority projects.

Ya for those high end minority travelers that bring big business to the city!:bash:

good point , also BIAL and air traffic in B'lore will only expand over time and so will the city of B'lore with IT parks , SEZ's and other major campuses coming up in outskirks of B'lore , if we have a high capacity and high speed rail link then it can always be extended and would be an investment forever.

For once , everyone involved has though truly long term and not till the tip of their nose.

5000 crore rail link project for a 2000 crore airport that would be used by minority travellers? this is a big joke. i am sure bangalore has many more priority projects.

Its been discussed extensively in another thread, if you are interested, and also by Mr Zenith above. Maybe many Govt's all over the world who have successfully implemented HSRLs and making all round progress by virtue of that, should seek advice from you. I am sure you have read on this forum that DMRC's Mr Sreedharan has conducted a detailed scientific study and has listed why 'this HSRL project' is good as opposed to the 'Metro rail project to the airport(which he has claimed is a bad idea)'.
Would be nice if you give the afore mentioned "naive" people/bodies a piece of your wisdom.

Its been discussed extensively in another thread, if you are interested, and also by Mr Zenith above. Maybe many Govt's all over the world who have successfully implemented HSRLs and making all round progress by virtue of that, should seek advice from you. I am sure you have read on this forum that DMRC's Mr Sreedharan has conducted a detailed scientific study and has listed why 'this HSRL project' is good as opposed to the 'Metro rail project to the airport(which he has claimed is a bad idea)'.
Would be nice if you give the afore mentioned "naive" people/bodies a piece of your wisdom.

i presume you are referrring to bial discussions thread. i did read them and there were some posts debating the demerits of implementing it. perhaps you should read them. there was one post by you about opinion of the promoter of this hsrl. it is no surprise to see promoter (which mr. sreedharan represents) of this expensive project trying to justify it's viability.

i don't know how often you have taken a ride to bial airport. if you did, you would realize that 10 million passengers is not large enough for investing in such expensive infrastructure. 1 lane of existing highway is sufficient to cater to existing traffic to airport and we have 3 lanes all the way from hebbal to trumpet interchange - airport road itself is only 2 lanes. with eastern section of orr expected to become signal free soon, reaching hebbal from many parts of bangalore would become faster. this might be faster than reaching mg road for people from south. and from hebbal, all we need is a volvo for commuting last 30 kms to airport. a few flyovers until yelahanka is all you need - that is about couple of hundred crores. this should suffice until traffic volumes reach say 20 million passengers.

when even these volvos that are cheaper and with a better reach than proposed hsrl don't have sufficient penetration, how do you expect a 5000 crore hsrl to be viable?

why don't you post the numbers that explain dmrc's position instead of your "sreedharan said so and so everyone must accept it"?

i don't know how often you have taken a ride to bial airport. if you did, you would realize that 10 million passengers is not large enough for investing in such expensive infrastructure. 1 lane of existing highway is sufficient to cater to existing traffic to airport and we have 3 lanes all the way from hebbal to trumpet interchange - airport road itself is only 2 lanes. with eastern section of orr expected to become signal free soon, reaching hebbal from many parts of bangalore would become faster. this might be faster than reaching mg road for people from south. and from hebbal, all we need is a volvo for commuting last 30 kms to airport. a few flyovers until yelahanka is all you need - that is about couple of hundred crores. this should suffice until traffic volumes reach say 20 million passengers.

Traffic is 10 million today and it could very well double in 7-8 years time if the growth is robust , making flyovers and signal free roads itself will take us another 5 years given our decision making process. Which would mean it will be another 3 or so years before we need to think of alternatives.

Why don't you think 20 or 25 years into the future for a change , london and NY could have done without a tube 70 years ago , yet they made it at significant cost and kept the FUTURE in mind.

What may seem a large and insignificant expenditure today will appear very differently tomorrow , watch this space !!!!

Traffic is 10 million today and it could very well double in 7-8 years time if the growth is robust , making flyovers and signal free roads itself will take us another 5 years given our decision making process. Which would mean it will be another 3 or so years before we need to think of alternatives.

Why don't you think 20 or 25 years into the future for a change , london and NY could have done without a tube 70 years ago , yet they made it at significant cost and kept the FUTURE in mind.

What may seem a large and insignificant expenditure today will appear very differently tomorrow , watch this space !!!!

all that is fine if we have plenty of resources to spare. look at it this way: assume 33% use such hsrl which i seriously doubt (families would find hsrl expensive compared to taxi. passengers on business trips too would prefer comforts of door to door taxi). that is about 3 million users per annum (8 million is current traffic) or about 10,000 per day. would you spend 5000 crore for these 10,000 people who still have alternate modes of transport? or, would you invest this money to create another 50 kms of metro line within city and slowly make it to a network of 200+ kms? such a metro, we all know would benefit millions everyday.

Please correct me on a few parametes here as I'm not very familiar with B'lore city distances.

Assuming that distance between MG road and BIAL is 35 Km , the cost of building an at Grade connection via metro would be anywhere around 220 crore per Km (again assumed based on previous estimates) which equates to

220*35 = Rs 7700 crore , add delays and cost escalations to Rs. 8000 crore approx.

The HSRL in contrast will cost 2000 crore less (include escalations of Rs.1000 crore).

Another question is capacity of a metro vis a vis capacity of a HSRL.

The need to build a system to the airport is inevitable though , just road connectivity is not done , so ultimately it comes down to a clash between metro , HSRL , mag-lev or whatever else.

Please correct me on a few parametes here as I'm not very familiar with B'lore city distances.

Assuming that distance between MG road and BIAL is 35 Km , the cost of building an at Grade connection via metro would be anywhere around 220 crore per Km (again assumed based on previous estimates) which equates to

220*35 = Rs 7700 crore , add delays and cost escalations to Rs. 8000 crore approx.

The HSRL in contrast will cost 2000 crore less (include escalations of Rs.1000 crore).

Another question is capacity of a metro vis a vis capacity of a HSRL.

The need to build a system to the airport is inevitable though , just road connectivity is not done , so ultimately it comes down to a clash between metro , HSRL , mag-lev or whatever else.

Tend to agree with dis.agree. We are 8.7 million now. At 10% growth we will double in 7 years. HK's Airport Express has a share of 29% which is best in class. If you use those numbers you will have at best 6 million people use that train annually in 2016. Even at Rs.200/trip - Rs.120 crores as revenue. How will this work out? Advertising? Real estate?

The other big problem is that it starts from MG Road. From MG Road a taxi takes 45 mins-50 mins. This train will take 23 mins. Changeover time of 10-12 mins (excluding check in as this will happen for taxi travellers at the airport) and you have a net benefit of 15 mins. Today reaching MG Road is the hard part.

This sort of money is better spent decongesting the roads rather than building white elephants that serve only 15000 passengers every day. Rs.5000 crores can build 40 km of Metro line and can carry probably 1 million passengers each day and decongest the roads and smoothen the ride for the airport users.

To carry 15000 passengers a day we need to have a fleet of 200 Volvos each making 4 round trips at 50% CU. That will cost Rs.150 crores.

Srivathsa

Please correct me on a few parametes here as I'm not very familiar with B'lore city distances.

Assuming that distance between MG road and BIAL is 35 Km , the cost of building an at Grade connection via metro would be anywhere around 220 crore per Km (again assumed based on previous estimates) which equates to

220*35 = Rs 7700 crore , add delays and cost escalations to Rs. 8000 crore approx.

The HSRL in contrast will cost 2000 crore less (include escalations of Rs.1000 crore).

Another question is capacity of a metro vis a vis capacity of a HSRL.

The need to build a system to the airport is inevitable though , just road connectivity is not done , so ultimately it comes down to a clash between metro , HSRL , mag-lev or whatever else.

no, no. i never talked about building a metro to airport. metro to airport would also not be viable. i was only referring to building metro within city. metro being built currently (40 km) is woefully inadequate.

also, the numbers you have quoted for building a metro i think are high. elevated metro line would cost about rs. 100 crore/km.

and how many highway lanes are needed to hande 30,000 passengers from & to airport everyday? that is probably about 20,000 PCUs/day. hosur road between silk board & electronics city had traffic volumes that exceed 1 lakh pcus/day few years ago.

At a high level, Bluru and most other cities in India have hardly invested in infrastructure. Other nations with say 1/10th of the investments made by foreign entities would have spent 10 x the amount on infrastructure to woo the investments. Such a sorry state of affairs. Indian babus always think in conservative mode and the standard answer to all woes is we do not have the resources. India's forex is at .25T or more and nothing is being done to tap into the reserves and forge ahead on the infrastructure front. Some recent moves JRNUM for buses has made the first moves. Frankly speaking each major city in India requires $10B on average to fix roads, highways, public transport, railways, airports, power, water, drainage etc. The tendency in govt is to first fleece everyone then as an after thought provide infra. New developments face this issue. The Govt issues licenses for building then allow the developer to build the building. When this is almost complete, then come the roads, drainage, water, a completely quixotic mode of thinking. In other nations the infra is plunked down first and then come the buildings. Malaysia, for example, spent oodles of money in building infra for high tech and IT. The fact that they were not as successful is due to their human resources.

India has human resources. All IT companies are crying hoarse to get better infrastructure. You would assume that getting the standard of living part up to par is the first step. None of the cities have decent fast access roads, Metros are coming up very late (other major cities have operational metros), airports are creeking and old (now rebuilt in some cities), the railway station is worse than an African nation railway station, water supply is poor, electricity is flaky, gosh the list goes on an on. Yet the babus / politicians go about their jobs smugly shrugging everything. They waste huge sums of money, 10s of Billions of $ on social programs like NREGA, wasteful irrigation projects (has not changed the % of arable land for decades ), free electricity to farmers .. But ask them about fixing a road or a modern convenience like high speed transit or a modern railway station with modern trains, the answer you guessed it - "No resources". Case closed your honor, everyone dismissed.

Well mr dis.agree it may be a 2000 cr airport today but it has to expand apart from that bial's airport city which would house corporates on 215 acre campus is also on anvil ,by that time even race course would be operational @ yelahanka (chikajala) ,it would also benefit ppl living in hebbal ,yelahanka ,vidyaranyapura and others who travel to cdb (mg road) to go on office,apart from that it would also entail a quick mode of transport for ppl who would probably working where large number of sez's are coming up near bial
u wanted estimates right
1>10-20k airport passengers+workers
2>10k who would visit race course
3>1-2k ppl who reside in that area the number would only grow
4> even minsters residences are being built near rt nagar large number of ppl visit them aslo
It's always better to be ahead of time as we were all aware in case of bangalore an airport was built and then they built road to it if they start today it will take 3-4 yrs even though they claim they need 2yrs to complete the project .Well karnataka sate govt is smart enough to market itself globally as road to airport is the pride of city if we go by your argument majesitic does not need metro as it is a transit point for all buses. As you have mentioned hosur road is stagnated and would invest near hosur road which is 60 kms from airport future investments would only come close to the airport. and probability of hal airport being reopened are very bleak the lobby tried hard to do so but failed

At a high level, Bluru and most other cities in India have hardly invested in infrastructure. Other nations with say 1/10th of the investments made by foreign entities would have spent 10 x the amount on infrastructure to woo the investments. Such a sorry state of affairs. Indian babus always think in conservative mode and the standard answer to all woes is we do not have the resources. India's forex is at .25T or more and nothing is being done to tap into the reserves and forge ahead on the infrastructure front. Some recent moves JRNUM for buses has made the first moves. Frankly speaking each major city in India requires $10B on average to fix roads, highways, public transport, railways, airports, power, water, drainage etc. The tendency in govt is to first fleece everyone then as an after thought provide infra. New developments face this issue. The Govt issues licenses for building then allow the developer to build the building. When this is almost complete, then come the roads, drainage, water, a completely quixotic mode of thinking. In other nations the infra is plunked down first and then come the buildings. Malaysia, for example, spent oodles of money in building infra for high tech and IT. The fact that they were not as successful is due to their human resources.

India has human resources. All IT companies are crying hoarse to get better infrastructure. You would assume that getting the standard of living part up to par is the first step. None of the cities have decent fast access roads, Metros are coming up very late (other major cities have operational metros), airports are creeking and old (now rebuilt in some cities), the railway station is worse than an African nation railway station, water supply is poor, electricity is flaky, gosh the list goes on an on. Yet the babus / politicians go about their jobs smugly shrugging everything. They waste huge sums of money, 10s of Billions of $ on social programs like NREGA, wasteful irrigation projects (has not changed the % of arable land for decades ), free electricity to farmers .. But ask them about fixing a road or a modern convenience like high speed transit or a modern railway station with modern trains, the answer you guessed it - "No resources". Case closed your honor, everyone dismissed.

i don't know why it is so hard to understand. perhaps you lost touch with realities in india or you do not understand finance & economy. or, may be we should blame the media for projecting a great india when infact changes are not really happening at the pace you are imagining.

fact is people are not willing to pay for such services. so, private sector is not going to invest. that is what is meant in economics as we don't have such resources, in this case capital. unless government agrees to pay more such projects will not happen - this includes the much touted success of nhai which is now struggling to get next less attractive phases built with private money. if government needs to pay the viability gap, they need more money. they get the money by taxing people and so they need to tax more. but then we come a full circle - tax payers don't have money. besides, that is not a desirable way to fund such projects. users need to pay for it. not tax payers.

i don't know why it is so hard to understand. perhaps you lost touch with realities in india or you do not understand finance & economy. or, may be we should blame the media for projecting a great india when infact changes are not really happening at the pace you are imagining.


Did you read what I wrote or is this self masturbation at the intellect level. What the hell are you talking about. You are all over the map, pal. Get a grip.


fact is people are not willing to pay for such services. so, private sector is not going to invest. that is what is meant in economics as we don't have such resources, in this case capital. unless government agrees to pay more such projects will not happen - this includes the much touted success of nhai which is now struggling to get next less attractive phases built with private money. if government needs to pay the viability gap, they need more money. they get the money by taxing people and so they need to tax more. but then we come a full circle - tax payers don't have money. besides, that is not a desirable way to fund such projects. users need to pay for it. not tax payers.

But tax payers are being forced to cough up for NREGA, Farmers Irrigation project, corruption which far exceeds taxes collected. The national ID program is supposed to get ID cards for everyone. Do you know the costs. It is Rs 1000 /per card and with 120 crore population we are staring at Rs 120,000 crores around $40 B. $40B will solve a whole host of infrastructure problems. People are paying for services. They are not getting adequate services. If services are supposed to be provided then people may be willing to pay more, but there is none. For all its revenue has Bluru supplied its citizens uninterrupted power?

^^
exactly. governments would always find such social projects to spend money on. instead of clamoring for government to build such infrastructure & medical colleges such as aiims in every state etc, we should argue for lesser taxes - be it on income or such cess on petroleum. and have policies that allow private investors to build & operate them.

now the question here is would private investors build this hsrl?

Well mr dis.agree it may be a 2000 cr airport today but it has to expand apart from that bial's airport city which would house corporates on 215 acre campus is also on anvil ,by that time even race course would be operational @ yelahanka (chikajala) ,it would also benefit ppl living in hebbal ,yelahanka ,vidyaranyapura and others who travel to cdb (mg road) to go on office,apart from that it would also entail a quick mode of transport for ppl who would probably working where large number of sez's are coming up near bial
u wanted estimates right
1>10-20k airport passengers+workers
2>10k who would visit race course
3>1-2k ppl who reside in that area the number would only grow
4> even minsters residences are being built near rt nagar large number of ppl visit them aslo
It's always better to be ahead of time as we were all aware in case of bangalore an airport was built and then they built road to it if they start today it will take 3-4 yrs even though they claim they need 2yrs to complete the project .Well karnataka sate govt is smart enough to market itself globally as road to airport is the pride of city if we go by your argument majesitic does not need metro as it is a transit point for all buses. As you have mentioned hosur road is stagnated and would invest near hosur road which is 60 kms from airport future investments would only come close to the airport. and probability of hal airport being reopened are very bleak the lobby tried hard to do so but failed

you have completely missed the point. we are talking about hsrl which is dedicated for airport and runs non-stop every 5 min. not a metro that stops at many places and ferries common citizens everyday. they cannot afford rs. 150 one way just for this commute. a metro that would charge say rs. 30 one way and would also be unviable.

i think peak planned capacity of bial is 40 million passengers. if 10 million use hsrl, this means revenue of 10 million * rs. 200 = 200 crore. if we assume this 5000 crore project has a life of 30 years, that's a depreciation itself of rs. 150 crore annually. i believe govt's own equity would only be about rs. 300 crore. even if this spv manages a loan @ 8%, that is an interest outgo of rs. 400 crore annually. i did not even include operational costs. even at full capacity, it means a loss of about rs. 500 crore every year until they decide to stop the service. what kind of an investment is this and for whom?

even the nreg scheme is probably more useful than this hsrl. this is nothing but a white elephant passed off as an infrastructure project.

well even i am talking abt hsrl with two stops one @ hebbal and other at yelahanka.well i am not getting why ppl are opposing it? Government is investing 500 cr for land acquisition the rest of the money has to be pumped in by the private partner if he finds the project viable he would come forward else no one wud participate in bidding process .And don't tell me he's a fool to invest 5000 cr he wud have got his arithmetic's right he would have thought how to get his money back

^^
exactly. governments would always find such social projects to spend money on. instead of clamoring for government to build such infrastructure & medical colleges such as aiims in every state etc, we should argue for lesser taxes - be it on income or such cess on petroleum. and have policies that allow private investors to build & operate them.

now the question here is would private investors build this hsrl?

Exactly rubbish. Please understand that most of these infra projects are being done by private parties. The issue is permission to build such projects rest with the Govt. If they are willing to permit private players on attractive terms we would have flood of investors. The problem is the govt wants too much. Better to have a regulator like TRAI and allow private players. The Govt should be in the role of regulators, controller and enforcer.

even the nreg scheme is probably more useful than this hsrl. this is nothing but a white elephant passed off as an infrastructure project.

This stmt clearly proves how little you argument goes towards tax and the individual. NREGA is a corruption scheme concocted by all political parties. The goal is noble but the execution is a fraud. I would rather have infra projects which generate more jobs than people digging ditches for poor wages. Good infra investments vaults the nation into a different league (need an example, look at China) and the multiplicative effects are enormous to say the least.

Exactly rubbish. Please understand that most of these infra projects are being done by private parties. The issue is permission to build such projects rest with the Govt. If they are willing to permit private players on attractive terms we would have flood of investors. The problem is the govt wants too much. Better to have a regulator like TRAI and allow private players. The Govt should be in the role of regulators, controller and enforcer.



This stmt clearly proves how little you argument goes towards tax and the individual. NREGA is a corruption scheme concocted by all political parties. The goal is noble but the execution is a fraud. I would rather have infra projects which generate more jobs than people digging ditches for poor wages. Good infra investments vaults the nation into a different league (need an example, look at China) and the multiplicative effects are enormous to say the least.

Like he asked this question "now the question here is would private investors build this hsrl?" - he had asked many similar ones earlier, which revealed he didn't care much to read properly the posts he was replying to OR know relevant background info.
Thats why i asked him to first read relevant posts in the earlier Bangalore Airport thread - to deserve any serious answer/response.

On a personal note: Rarely do IITians act this way (includes his attempts to denigrate IITs). Something wrong there, seems like a deliberate attempt to show IITs in bad light by a mischevious imposter.

guys, there is no point arguing. The govt is not spending a lot. If no pvt operator comes forward, we will know that the HSRL is not viable and should be dropped. As simple as that.

Disagree: I think the argument is whether infra comes first or the need for infra comes first. In India, it has been generally viewed that any infra development is absorbed immediately, i.e., infra is developed AFTER the need is observed. case in point is gurgaon expressway.
Sometimes, it is better to build big and encourage future growth. The presence of HSRL could encourage the development of a satellite city in BIAL areas and could raise passenger numbers indirectly.

Also, in your analysis, you are forgetting that monthly passes can also be handed out at discounted rates to commuters - both airport and airport city workers. This could add valuable revenue.

So, we just have to wait and watch what the pvt developers think.

WHY not a metro to airport is FAR better than HSRL. Metro can serve all the areas on the way to airport,metro can be extended to further areas depending on the need, and still it reaches airport in deterministic time. All that is important is to reach airport in predictable time. In majority of Europe this is the case. Normal city metro runs till the airport.
Anyway we dont have any line running towards north and north-west side of city. It is anybody's common sense that a metro line from BIAL to Electronic City will be the best bet.
If it is statistically provable that HSRL is better, why Sridharan did not support his argument with some numbers? In which case we would not have been arguing on his stray comments. Like our ugly politicians he too just gave a baseless comment throwing his weight behind it.

WHY not a metro to airport is FAR better than HSRL. Metro can serve all the areas on the way to airport,metro can be extended to further areas depending on the need, and still it reaches airport in deterministic time. All that is important is to reach airport in predictable time. In majority of Europe this is the case. Normal city metro runs till the airport.
Anyway we dont have any line running towards north and north-west side of city. It is anybody's common sense that a metro line from BIAL to Electronic City will be the best bet.
If it is statistically provable that HSRL is better, why Sridharan did not support his argument with some numbers? In which case we would not have been arguing on his stray comments. Like our ugly politicians he too just gave a baseless comment throwing his weight behind it.

How do we say Sridharan has not given the nos.? Have any of us seen it? Definitely not. We are all going by reports in media.

In this case, the choice is whether we should believe Sridharan or others who do not have experience in this field. Having seen the works of Sridhar, majority of SSCians believe his words.

It is true that he is highly reliable person in the field, not only in his executions, but his comments and early exit from Hyd metro also prove his integrity.
But until I see some numbers I wud like to believe a Metro line to BIA is better than HSRL. This proposed HSRL is not even fully integrated with Metro lines. You have to get down at MGRd and carry your huge check-in luggage for a km and get into HSRL, what is this ugly design??? Then did he not see that completely integrated mode of transport is required? or is he undermining the metro's usability by thinking airline passengers wont prefer metro trains?

We can look at Heathrow, London or CDG in Paris for reference, places I have visited and used these facilities. The metro as well as high speed lines both operate to these airports. Also, they are not interlinked, or even close to each other in both cases. One has to lug your baggage to different levels to switch over, if ever you want to. usually, those who board these HS trains catch them from specific points to land up at the airport at different levels.

The main point is that they cater to different types of travellers. The metro lines are the usual slow, stop at every station trains, which would take an hour or more to reach the airport from the city center, say Trafalgar Square. Whereas, the Heathrow Express or the TGV would do the same distance in a quarter or lesser time frames. The charges involved are also relatively a few times higher. Yet, there is reasonable patronage to these trains, and also carry that 'prestige' value, for those who do not wish to mingle with the hoi-polloi.... Do the airports in India need such HSRLs, though of much lesser speeds comparitively??? One can say, the planners are thinking ahead, to give the devil its due.

Jaishankar Jayaramiah
Posted: 2009-06-23 01:40:03+05:30 IST
Updated: Jun 23, 2009 at 0140 hrs IST
Bangalore: The government-owned Karnataka State Industrial Investment Development Corporation (KSIIDC) is likely to float tenders in the next three months towards a Rs 5,767 crore high speed rail link (HSRL) project, which will connect Bangalore city with Bangalore international airport (BIA).

Thus far 27 companies including railway infrastructure majors Bombardier, Siemens, Alastom and L&T have expressed their interest in the project. “They have all participated in the pre-bid meeting conducted by us recently,” said V Madhu, principal secretary of the department of infrastructure, Karnataka. Madhu said the companies have been asked to submit their request for qualification (RFQ) documents on August 8. “We hope all 27 companies will submit RFQs,” he added. The bidders will be short-listed in a months’ time and the final tender is expected to be floated by September while the work order is likely to be awarded to the successful bidder by January-February 2010, he told FE on the sidelines of an infrastructure seminar organised by Ficci.

Excluding cost of government land, the project cost, as per June 2007 estimation stood at Rs 4,313 crore but this estimation has been increased to Rs 5,767 crore, KSIIDC informed the participating companies in a recently held pre-application conference. The key technical and operational parameters of the project include a fully elevated high-speed line. The semantics also involve a single column carrying both the tracks located in the median of road. The maximum speed limit of a train plying on a high-speed track will be 160 kmph (km per hour), the maximum operating speed however is 145 kmph and the commercial speed of the train is 85 kmph. Initially the HSRL will have 10 trains and each train will have six coaches. To start with, train frequency will be every 10 minutes. This will later be reduced step-by-step to eight minutes, six minutes and three minutes.

The length of the HSRL is about 34 km from Bangalore city to BIA and will be implemented on a ‘built, operate and transfer’ (BOT) basis. The time line for transferring the project to the government was fixed at 30 years (including construction period). Additionally, the Karnataka government has appointed Delhi metro rail corporation ltd (DMRCL) as the consultant / project advisor for HSRL project. Currently the primary connectivity to BIA is through NH-7, which is a divided dual carriageway with three lanes in each direction. NH-7 is a busy highway also connecting Bangalore to Hyderabad. The traffic volume on this road was registered at around 50,000 vehicles (each way) every day, with peak hour traffic being about 5,000 vehicles per hour each way. This along with recent reports on air traffic justifies the HSRL. Air traffic is forecasted to be 17.2 million passengers per annum in 2010-11, 40.1 million in 2021-22 and 50.20 million in 2025-26. The air travellers’ traffic in the new Bangalore international airport on a per day basis, will increase from 52,876 in 2011-12 to 1,09,863 in 2021-22 and 1,37,534 in 2025-26. As per the rider-ship forecast about 40% of this figure will be using the HSRL. The proposed HSRL will reduce travelling time from BIA to Bangalore city to 25 minutes from the current time taken by road of 70-100 minutes.

source
FinancialExpress
link:
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/tenders-for-blore-highspeed-rail-link-in-3-mths/480039/0

SALIENT FEATURES
HIGH SPEED RAIL LINK TO THE NEW INT ERNATIONAL AIRPORT AT
BANGALORE (DEVANAHALLI)
1.
Route Length (between Dead ends)
33.65 km
a) Elevated 32.50 km
b) At-Grade 1.15 km
2.
Number of Stations
4
a) Cubbon Road (City Center Check-in Station) Chainage 0.095 km
b) Hebbal (Check-in Station) Chainage 8.85 km
c) Yelahanka (Pick-up Station) Chainage 15.46 km
d) BIA Terminal Station Chainage 33.30 km
3.
Air
Traffic Forecast
Year Passengers in million
2010 – 11 17.20
2016 – 17 30.00
2021 – 22 40.10
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4. Train Operation
Years 2011 2016 2021
PHPDT Demand 3302 5043 7859
Train Headway Planned(minutes) 10 8 6
Train Composition 6 cars 6 cars 6 cars
5.
Design Speed
160 kmph
Operational Speed 145 kmph
Average Speed 85 kmph
6.
Time of Travel
a) Cubbon Road – Hebbal 4 minutes
b) Hebbal – Yelahanka 5 minutes
c) Yelahanka – BIA 10.5 minutes
Cubbon Road – BIA Terminal 25 minutes
(including halt at Hebbal & Yelahanka)
7. Traction Power Supply
a) Voltage 25 KV ac
b) Power Supply source 66 KV ac
c) No. of receiving substations 2
d) SCADA system Prov ided
8. Rolling Stock
a) 2.88 m wide modern rolling stock with
stainless steel body, Standard Gauge
b) Axle load - 15 T
c) Seating arrangement - Transverse
d) Capacity of 6 Car unit - 421 Passengers
e) Class of accommodation - One
9.
Maintenance Facilities
Car Maintenance Depot - Adjacent to
International Airport
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10.
Signalling, Telecommunication & Train Control
a) Type of Signalling Cab signaling and continuous
automatic train control
b) Telecommunications I) Integrated System with Fiber
Optic Cable, SCADA, Train Radio,
PA system etc.
ii) Train Information system, Control
telephones and Centralised Clock
System
11.
Fare Collection
Automatic Fare Collection system with
BOM & POM, Smart Card etc.
12.
Construction Methodology
Elevated Viaduct carried over
prestressed concrete double ‘U’ shaped
girders with Pile/Open foundations.
Connection with BMRC (MRTS corridor)
- Cubbon Road Station is
adjacent to M G Road Station
of BMRC.
13.
Total Estimated Co st
Rs.3176 crores (inc. Taxes
(at June, 2007 price) and Duties, land cost)
14.
Completion Cost
Rs.3716 crores.
by March 2012
15. Financial
Index
16.
FIRR
13.26%
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EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
1 BACKGROUND
1.1
Bangalore, the Capital of Karnataka State popularly known as the Garden City
of India is now the 5
largest City of the country with a population of 7 million. It
th
is also known as the Silicon Valley of India and has developed as a centre for
advanced sciences, higher education, research & development. Bangalore has
now become one of the top ten high-tech cities of the world and with its
salubrious climate for most part of the year, it has emerged as one of the
successful commercial and industrial hubs of the Indian sub-continent.
HAL AIRPORT:
The air traffic at Bangalore is presently handled by the existing
Airport (HAL Airport), situated by the side of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited.
This was originally an airstrip meant for trial flights of the aircrafts produced by
HAL but subsequently came to be used as a full fledged Airport both for
domestic and international flights. Even after completing possible capacity
expansion works, this Airport is today fully saturated and is unable to handle
anymore incoming or outgoing flights. Besides, this Airport is situated practically
within the city area and with the city having further grown on all its sides, no
further expansion is possible. Movement of passengers between the Airport and
the city is primarily through taxies, private/official cars and also by autos to a
limited extent. A good proportion of the Airport staff makes use of bus services.
Due to heavy traffic congestion on the roads leading to the airport, the travel
time to the Airport for passengers and staff is 30 to 40 minutes and more than
an hour during peak hours.
1.2
Both domestic and international aircraft movements at the existing Bangalore
Airport have been increasing at a fast rate during the last 5-6 years.
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Table 0.1
AIRCRAFT MOVEMENTS AT THE PRESENT BANGALORE AIRPORT
Aircraft Movement (yearly)
Year
Domestic International Total
2001-02 30,742 2,887 33,629
2002-03 36,176 3,893 40,069
2003-04 41,699 5,214 46,913
2004-05 50,851 7,082 57,883
2005-06 63,392 8,477 71,869
While the domestic aircraft movements increased at about 20% p.a. the
international aircraft movements grew at about 30% p.a over the last five years
but more rapidly in the last two years. The total annual aircraft movements have
grown from 33,629 in 2001-02 to 71,869 in 2005-06.
1.3
INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT AT DEVANAHALLI
:
In view of the unprecedented growth of Bangalore City and the consequent
enormous increase in air traffic, both domestic and international, a new state-of-
the art, green field International Airport is being built near Devanahalli, about
33.41 kms from Bangalore City by the name ‘Bangalore International Airport
Limited’ (BIAL). This is a PPP Project and the shareholding pattern consists of
private promoters holding 74% equity stake (Siemens Projects Ventures,
Larsen & Turbo and Unique Zurich Airport), with the remaining 26% being
jointly held by the Airport Authority of India and Karnataka State Industrial
Investment Development Corporation. The BIAL expects to complete the work
and open the International Airport for commercial operations in 2008. Since the
new International Airport will be situated about 35 kms from the city, it would
take a much longer time ranging from one to two hours, to reach it by taxi / car.
The travel expenses will also be high in addition to heavy fuel consumption. It
was against this background that the need for a High Speed Rail Link to the
new International Airport was felt.
1.4
The Delhi Metro Rail Corporation Ltd (DMRC) was commissioned by the State
Government of Karnataka for preparing a Detailed Project Report (DPR) for a
High Speed Rail Link to the International Airport, with check-in facilities at the
city end. Accordingly, DMRC undertook necessary studies and investigations
and has prepared this DPR.
DMRC is a joint venture of Government of India and Government of Delhi (the
Government of the National Capital Territory of Delhi) and has recently
completed and commissioned phase-I of Delhi Metro (65 kms). DMRC is now
implementing phase-II of Delhi Metro covering over 120 kms including a High
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Speed Rail link from New Delhi Railway Station/Shivaji Stadium (20 kms) to the
IGI Airport with City check-in facilities. The Detailed Project Report (DPR) for
the Bangalore Metro Rail Project has also been prepared by DMRC proposing
two lines, the East – West Line (18.10 kms – 18 stations) and the North – South
Line (14.90 kms – 14 stations) consisting of elevated and underground
sections.
1.5
The Airport Authority of India (AAI) anticipates a steep growth in air traffic to be
handled at the Bangalore International Airport in the coming years. BIAL has
estimated passenger traffic to increase as follows:
Table 0.2 Yearly Grow th in air traffic
Year Passengers in millions
2006-07 7.9
2007-08 9.8
2008-09 12.3
2009-10 14.9
2010-11 17.2
2011-12 19.3
2016-17 30.0
2021-22 40.1
2026-27 50.2
The figures of passenger traffic during 2001-02 to 2005-06 as obtained from the
AAI are given in the Table:
Table 0.3 passenger traffic as obtained from AAI
Passengers in millions per annum
Year
Domestic International Total
2001-02 2.06 0.21 2.27
2002-03 2.40 0.36 2.76
2003-04 2.70 0.47 3.18
2004-05 3.50 0.67 4.16
2005-06 4.80 0.86 5.65
The traffic at the present airport was 5.65 million passengers in the year 2005-
06 which is likely to grow to 19.3 million in 2011-12, i.e. more than 340% growth
in the next six years. In the subsequent years also the growth is expected to be
of a fairly high order, necessitating development of the New International Airport
and the road and rail connectivity keeping in view the air traffic demands.
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2.0 ROAD CONNECTIVITY T O INT ERNAT IONAL AIRPORT
2.1
At present the primary connectivity to the Bangalore International Airport (BIA),
under construction, is through the NH-7. Traffic from the city destined to the
Airport has to reach this road and then proceed towards the International
Airport. The NH-7 is a divided dual carriageway with 3 lanes in each direction.
As NH-7 is a busy highway, connecting Bangalore to Hyderabad, the traffic
volume on it` is about 50,000 vehicles (each way) per day, with the peak hour
traffic being about 5,000 vehicles per hour each way. As on date the temporary
access to the Airport area is taking off from the NH -7 about 5 kms short of the
Airport, which is purely for the construction purposes only. The BIAL is building
the main access road connecting NH-7 at the proposed trumpet interchange on
the southwestern side. The total distance to be covered from City Centre (M.G.
Road) to the new Airport will be about 33.41 km.
2.2
The Government of Karnataka (GOK) has proposed a new Access Express
Way from Bangalore North, starting from Horamavu accessible from the Ring
Road. This will be a Toll Highway with three lanes each way. After traversing
about 21 kms it will join the main access road of BIAL in a loop and proceed to
reach the Airport. This Expressway is also proposed to be continued beyond
the crossing of the BIAL main access road towards Devenahhali to join NH-7.
The Express Way will also link the Aero City of BIAL. This road is proposed to
be taken up on BOT basis and land acquisition by the Govt (KRDCL) is being
launched. When this toll Expressway will be ready, cannot be stated at present.
2.3
GOK is also planning a Peripheral Ring Road for Bangalore, about 6 kms
beyond the Ring Road and 16 kms short of BIAL main access road. This Road
also crosses the Expressway giving access to the Airport in a loop from this
point. The Peripheral Road crosses the NH-7 beyond Yelahanka which might
also give connection to BIAL access road through NH-7. This project, being
executed by BDA, is in the initial stages as only land acquisition has been
launched so far.
3.0
HIGH SPEED RAIL CONNECTION
3.1 Why a High Speed Express Link?
Keeping the New International Airport far away from the City about 35 kms from
Centre of the City has many advantages but equally many disadvantages.
While land availability for such an Airport is easy and would be cheap and the
Airport can be expanded as the traffic grows, the real sufferers are the air
travelers and Airport employees who have to cover this long distance to reach
the Airport. Apart from the high cost of travel to reach the Airport from the City,
the time taken for the travel will be more than an hour and uncertainties due to
traffic hold-ups enroute will have to be reckoned with. On the other hand, a High
Speed Express Rail Connection will make such a travel comfortable, hassle
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free, cheap and reliable. Therefore, even when the proposed access Express
Way materializes, the majority of the travelers to the Airport would prefer a fast
and reliable rail journey.
3.2
Advantages of Rail Connectivity over road access
•
The rail journey will take less than 25 minutes as against more than one
hour by road.
•
Rail journey will be in air-conditioned comfort, very safe and reliable. There
will be no uncertainty in regard to traffic hold-ups.
•
The energy needed for a passenger km. by rail is only 1/5
of the energy
th
needed by road. Therefore, there will be considerable fuel saving if bulk of
the travelers choose rail journey.
•
Air travelers can have check-in facilities at the City itself. This would be
available both for International and Domestic travelers and would reduce the
congestion at the check-in counters at the Airport as also the need for
parking facilities at the Airport end.
•
By rail, there will be no pollution, can have a relaxed travel without any
tension and passengers can be sure of the time by which they can reach the
Airport.
•
The travel by rail would be far cheaper than the road journey apart from
being very safe.
•
A Rail Connection has flexibility of increasing the capacity by reducing the
headway between the trains.
•
The need for many visitors to reach the Airport for seeing off or meeting the
relatives can be considerably reduced since this activity can take place at
the City Air Terminal itself.
Despite the above, it has to be reckoned that many of the rail travelers may still
have to take another mode of journey to reach the City Air Terminals.
4.0 ROUTE ALIGNMENT
4.1
City Airport Terminal
The High Speed Rail link to the new International Airport starts from the Police
Grounds situated between M.G. Road and Cubbon Road. Police Grounds
represents practically the city centre, well connected on all sides to the entire
city and its outskirts. The ramp of the Bangalore Metro is also located in this
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area. The structure of the City Airport Terminal (CAT) is being planned in such
a way that the needs of Bangalore Metro are fully met while at the same time
the remaining area is utilized for the CAT. The proposed Bangalore Metro Rail
crosses Police Grounds diagonally as a ramp from the underground station of
Minsk Square to the elevated station on the M. G. Road. It is possible to
accommodate in the Police Grounds the requirements of both the Bangalore
Metro and CAT of the Airport Rail Link. The CAT structure will be put up
around the Bangalore Metro Ramp. In other words the Metro ramp structure will
go through the CAT Building, the two systems totally isolated, at the same time
integrated together.
The CAT structure will be multi storied with separate departure and arrival
areas. Initially, it will have 60 check – in counters for international passengers
and another 60 for domestic passengers with provision to increase their
numbers to cater to future demand. Provision is also being made for facilities
such as Airline Ticketing Offices, CAT and Rail Line Offices, Shopping Arcade,
Restaurants, Coffee Shops, Rest Rooms, etc. There will be adequate parking
facilities for private cars, taxis, autos etc. The Complex will have about 1800
parking capacity for “park and fly” passengers.
4.2
The High Speed Rail Link from the City Center to the New International Airport
(a distance of 33.30 kms) shall be of double Track, one up-line and the other
down-line. These lines will be through out elevated, starting from the Police
Grounds, where M.G. Road Station (chainage 0.095 km) will be located. From
here, this Rail Link will traverse on the Cubbon Road by the side of the
Bangalore Metro Rail, (which will be underground at this location). It will then
traverse on the Cubbon Road, cross over the Minsk Square underground
station of Bangalore Metro Rail (BMR) and continue along the Bangalore Metro
alignment up to Thimmiah square. At this location the BMR takes a left turn and
the High Speed Rail Link to the International Airport moves straight on the
middle of the Raj Bhavan Road up to the All India Radio Complex. At this point
the alignment takes a right-hand curve to move to the middle of Chowdiah
Road. From here the alignment will be on the median of Chowdiah
Road/Sankey Road/Bellary Road up to the approach of Hebbal Fly-over, except
that in this stretch there are a couple of sharp curves which are to be re-aligned.
The High Speed Rail Link will fly ov er the existing Road Over Bridge and
Railway Bridge near Windsor Manor Hotel and the Mekhri Circle Underpass
Bridge.
4.3
Hebbal Check In Station
: The High Speed Rail Link will then be taken on the
left side of Hebbal Fly Over. The second luggage Check-in Station at Hebbal
has been located at the end of, as well as to the left of the Hebbal Fly Over at
chainage 8.850 km. where Government lands are available. The State Govt.
has planned integration of Bus services on the right side of the Flyover. As it is
not technically possible to have this Check-In Station on the right side of the Fly
over, it will be necessary to provide an elevated cross passage with escalator
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facilities for people to cross over from the Bus terminal to the Hebbal Check- in
Station. From here the alignment is taken on to the median of the National
Highway No-7(Hyderabad Highway) upto Yelahanka. Due to easy access from
the Ring Road this Station is expected to attract a large clientele.
4.4 Yelahanka Pick Up Station:
The alignment continues on the median of NH-7
and traverses over the Railway Under Bridge and then to Yelahanka pick-up
Station, which is located at the junction of the National Highway and the
Yelahanka town road at chainage 15.463 km. Luggage Check-in facilities are
not provided here but passengers with hand baggages can board the train and
alight with baggages. The alignment continues on the median of NH-7 until it
reaches the region of the Indian Air Force Station, Yelahanka. At this location
the alignment of Airport Rail Link will require to be dipped to suit the
requirements of the Air Force. This is necessary because the runway of the Air
force is close by. The roads at this location will also need to be realigned
suitably. Acquisition of 1.05 Hectare of vacant land is involved at this location
for this purpose.
The alignment is then taken on the median of the NH-7 as elevated except at
Doddajala ROB where it takes a diversion to the left of the ROB and joins back
on the median of NH-7. The elevated alignment thereafter proceeds on the
median of NH-7 until it reaches short of the trumpet junction on the NH-7 where
the future Airport approach road has been proposed. From here onwards the
alignment leaves the NH -7 in a curve to the right and after crossing a stretch of
private land joins the median of the BIA approach road to reach the terminal
building T-1. Provision has been kept to extend the rail line to Terminal II when
the same is constructed.
The route map of the alignment has been shown in Figures - 0.1. The Index
section of the alignment has been enclosed an Annexure Figure- 0.2.
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Figure: 0.1- Route Map
4.5 Widening Of Bellary Road and Other Roads:
As already stated above, the
alignment of Airport Rail Link trav erses on (i) Cubbon Road – Raj Bhawan Road
– Chowdaiah Road– Sankey Road – Bellary Road up to the Hebbal Flyover
which belong to Bruhat Bangalore Mahanagar Palika (BBMP), and (ii) Bellary
Road (which is a part of NH-7) from the Yelahanka end of Hebbal Flyover to
short of trumpet interchange. At the Hebbal Flyover, the alignment is located to
the left of the flyover and comes back to the median of NH-7 after the Flyover.
The roads in item (i) are generally of four lanes with a narrow median and in
some lengths no median at all. Hence, there is need for land acquisition for
widening of these stretches of roads by about 2 meters on each side, i.e. 8 km x
4 m = 3.2 Hectares. Howev er, these stretches of the road are already planned
for widening by BBMP. Hence the cost of land acquisition and the cost of
widening has not been taken in this project.
Beyond Hebbal Flyover, since the NH – 7 median is only 1.5 m. wide which
needs to be widened to 3.5 m. by widening the road 1 meter on either side to
accommodate the piers of the rail link. The additional area of land involved in
this stretch is 18.5 km x 2.0m = 3.7 Hectare. But in this length NH – 7 has
already got wide right of way (ROW) and therefore no fresh acquisition of land
may be involved.
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5.0 TRANSPORT DEMAND FORECAST
5.1
For the purpose of estimating transport demand, in addition to the available
secondary data, various primary surveys, such as classified traffic volume,
origin & destination surveys, willingness to travel by the proposed High Speed
Express Rail link, etc at the present Airport Terminal were undertaken.
Traffic at the Present Airport Complex
As per the traffic surveys conducted at the present airport complex, it is
estimated that about 30,000+ trips are coming to and going from the Airport on
a normal working day. Out of these, about 28,500 trips are by air passengers,
while 1,000 trips are by the staff working at the `Airport Complex, the remaining
trips being attributed to the visitors.
5.2 Willingness to Travel by the Proposed High Speed Rail Link
Opinion survey conducted shows that a large number of passengers and
workers (80%) are willing to use the proposed high Speed Rail Link. About 71
% staff surveyed also expressed their willingness to shift to the `proposed Rail
Link. About 81% of the surveyed passengers expressed their preference for a
City Check-in facility.
5.3 Transport Demand Forecast
The High Speed Rail Link will provide a fast, convenient, and comfortable
linkage and will attract passengers from the private modes and contract
carriage buses. In this perspective, it is observed that a direct dedicated Rail
Link to the new International Airport will be an attractive option. It may be
pointed out that this dedicated Rail Link could attract the daily traffic of work
staff of the new Airport and a large number of work staff of the Aero City being
developed by BIAL.
As per the O-D survey, a sizeable Airport traffic will be from central, south,
southeast, southwest, west and north areas of Bangalore. These passengers
will be attracted to travel from the center of the city to the new Airport. These
are comparatively heavily populated areas besides the existence of
Government offices, business houses, hotels etc. The Rail Link will take only
about 25 minutes to reach the New airport with the facility of Check-In at the
center of the city (Police Grounds between M G Road and Cubbon Road) and
at Hebbal, where the Ring Road passes through. There will be a pick up station
at Yelahanka to attract those passengers who come from the interior areas and
north of Yelahanka. This facility of Rail Link is thus expected to attract Airport
users from all sides of Bangalore except the northeast side.
According to the traffic forecast by BIAL, the air traffic will be 17.2 million
passengers p.a. in 2010-11. As per the rider ship forecast, about 40% of this
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figure will be using the High Speed Rail Link. The other important factors which
will be contributing traffic to the proposed system will be: (i) the work force of
about 5,000 persons at the Airport at the time of opening in 2008 and whose
number will be growing approximately in line with the overall growth in
passenger figures, and (ii) the traffic from Aero City which is being constructed
within the BIAL premises for offices, retail, entertainment and hospitality
complex, which has been estimated to grow from 2000 persons in year 2008 to
approx 1,00,000 persons in 10 yrs after the Airport opening.
The projected ridership for embarking, disembarking, and employees
respectively on a per day basis is furnished below
Table 0.4 - The projected ridership
on a per day basis
Emp
Aero
Aero
city
city
Year Disembar-
In Out
Departur
king Visitors Embarking Visitors Emp
Arrivals
e
Arrival
Depart
2011 11,450 4,294 10,024 3,759 2,635 2,635 2,977 2,977 21,357 19,396
2016 17,236 6,464 15,279 5,730 4,244 4,244 4466 4466 32410 29719
2021 26,958 10,109 24,408 9,153 6,835 6,835 6699 6699 50601 47095
2026 43,160 16,185 38,084 14,282 11,009 11,009 10048 10048 80402 73423
The All day Station Loadings are presented below:
Table 0.5 - All Day Station Loadings on Airport Link
2011 2016 2021 2026
Airport
Airport
Airport
Airport
All day
Police
Police
Police
Police Gr
to
to
to
to
Station
Gr to
Gr to
Gr to
Police
Police
Police
to Airport
Police
loading
Airport
Airport
Airport
Gr
Gr
Gr
Gr
In
In
In
In
Out
Out
Out
Out
Police
Grounds 18,925 17,187
28729
26,343 44853 41745 71268 65083
Hebbal 1,702 1,546 2580 2,366 4028 3749 6400 5844
Yelahanka 730 663 1101 1010 1720 1601 2734 2496
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Table 0.6
The Link Loadings Fo r Peak Hour (Phpdt) Are Presented Below
From To 2011 2016 2021 2026
Police Gr
Hebbal 2,926 4469 6966 10974
(Cubbon
Rd)
Hebbal Yelahanka 3,190 4871 7592 11960
Yelahanka BIA 3,302 5043 7859 12381
Hebbal Police Gr
2,768 4799 7541 11746
(Cubbon Rd)
Yelahanka Hebbal 3,018 4636 7285 11347
BIA Yelahanka 3,124 4253 6685 10412
Table 0.7 The ridership forecast per hour, to the International Airport
Year Passengers Visitors Employees Aero
Projected
Designed
city
Total
PHPDT
PHPDT
2011 954 477 878 992 3302 2526
2016 1436 718 1415 1474 5043 3158
2021 2247 1123 2278 2211 7859 4210
2026 3597 1798 3670 3316 12381 11500
T able 0.8 - The ridersh ip forecast per hour, from the International Airport
Year Passenger
Visitors Employee
Aero
Projected
Designed
s
s
City
Total
PHPDT
PHPDT
2011 835 418 878 992 3124 2526
2016 1273 637 1415 1474 4799 3158
2021 2034 1017 2278 2211 7541 4210
2026 3174 1587 3670 3316 11746 11500
Design PHPDT has been worked out considering that peak hour for all the
above categories will be different.
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6.0 PLANNING & DESIG N PARAMET ERS
The design parameters related to High Speed Express Rail link to the New
International Airport have been chosen based on a detailed evaluation,
experience and internationally accepted practices for such rail connections.
6.1 Gauge:
Standard Gauge (1435 mm.)
6.2 Horizontal Curves
The line is being planned with the maximum speed potential of 160 kms. per
hour with the maximum operational speed of 145 kms. Per hour. The horizontal
curves have been therefore limited to 1000 m. radius except at very special
locations where a flatter curve is not possible. Where trains slow down for
approaching stations, sharper curves have been adopted such as the approach
to Airport Terminal, CAT at Police Grounds and Hebbal Station.
All the curves are transitioned for comfort and safety. Vertical curves have been
provided at each change of gradient with a minimum radius of 2500 m.
6.3 Viaduct Structu re
The two tracks will be carried on two independent ‘U’ shaped pre-stressed and
pre-tensioned concrete girders supported on single columns, generally at 25 m.
intervals, located in the central median of the road. As the girders will be
manufactured at a central casting depot, high quality can be ensured and their
erection can be managed easily by two cranes working from the road level. The
decking will have a minimum vertical clearance of 5.5 m. above road level. ‘U’
shaped girders will serve the dual purpose of noise attenuation as well as
derailment guarding. A typical cross section of the viaduct can be seen at
Figure 0.3.
6.4
Gradients
Stations shall be on level stretch. In between stations, generally the grades may
not be steeper than 2.0%. Maximum grade provided is 2.37% opposite IAF
Yelahanka due to their existing run way nearby.
6.5 T rack
It is proposed to adopt RHEDA 2000 ballastless track, constructed by
embedding the pre-cast twin block sleepers in 2nd pour concrete. The two RCC
blocks of a sleeper are connected by lattice truss, which ensures proper
integration of these RCC sleepers with surrounding concrete. The detailed
design of track structure including the arrangements for integrating this slab
track with deck will have to be carried out making it compatible with the
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structural designs of supporting structures. It is proposed that complete track
may be laid as CWR duly integrating the turnout also in the CWR. For this
purpose, the rail-structure interaction analysis will have to be carried out to
ascertain additional forces for which the v iaduct will have to be designed.
Allowable maximum cant will be 125 mm and cant deficiency 100 mm.
6.7 Route Length
Total alignment length from center of Cubbon Road (Police Grounds) station to
the Centre of New International Airport Terminal–I is 33.296 kms. Actual
construction route length will be 33.65 kms in Phase-I.
6.8 Air-conditioning
The train will be fully air-conditioned and all the stations will also be air-
conditioned in the passenger movement areas including the platforms where
platform screen doors are proposed to be installed. The stations and trains will
be designed and constructed to meet the high standard of fire safety
requirements needed for such systems.
6.9 Station Planning
Four stations have been planned on the proposed Airport Rail Link. All the
stations are elevated, fully air-conditioned and with platform screen doors. The
Stations of Airport Express Link are listed below:
T able 0.9 - Details of Stations on Airport Link
Inter Station
S No Stations Type Chainage
Distance
(Meters)
(KM)
1 Cubbon Road Station Elev ated 95 -
2 Hebbal Elev ated 8851 8.756
3 Yelahanka Elev ated 15463 6.612
**
33296 17.833
4 New International Airport
(Terminal building No.1) Elev ated
**
The BIA Terminal Station is planned as Elevated. It is being told by BIAL
authorities that the Terminal Station may have to be made as Under Ground
Station. In such a case the approach of the Station has also to be underground.
This would increase the cost of the project and this increase will have to be
borne by BIAL. The civil Engineering cost inside the BIAL is already borne by
the BIAL as brought out in last chapter.
The line is being planned to cater to dedicated airport traffic. To cater to this
requirement, baggage check-in facility is being planned at Cubbon Road Station
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and Hebbal Station through which air travelers (both domestic and international)
will be able to check-in their luggage at the Metro station itself while boarding
the train to the Airport. For this, additional area in the passenger concourses is
provided at these two stations. Arriving passengers have to collect their
baggage at the Airport and board the Express Rail Link by the side of the
Terminal building where several counters for issue of tickets will be operating.
Free assistance will be available for loading and unloading luggage from the
trolley to the train and vice-versa.
Stations have been planned following the norms and criteria being adopted by
DMRC. Traffic integration facilities are provided at almost all the stations
keeping in v iew the ridership pattern and availability of land. The integration
facilities at Rail Link stations include approach road to the stations, circulation
facilities, pedestrian ways and adequate parking areas for various modes likely
to come to these stations, including feeder buses/mini-buses. Provision has
been made to cater to the peak hour demand.
7.0 TRAIN OPERAT ION AND SYSTEM DESIGN
7.1 Operation Philosophy
The main features of the operation philosophy are to make the Airport Link
more efficient and attractive. These are:
•
Selecting the most optimum frequency of train services to meet sectional
capacity requirement during peak hours on most of the sections.
•
Optimum train service frequency not only during peak period, but also during
off-peak period.
•
Train formation consisting of 6 coaches based on the traffic demand.
•
Multi-tasking of train operation and maintenance staff.
7.2 Train Formation
The Rolling Stock chosen allows for the following train rake formations with train
carrying capacities as mentioned below:
Table 0.10 - Rake Information
Rake Formation
6 Car = DMC+TC+MC+MC+TC+DMLC
DMC : Driving Motor Car
MC : Motor Car
TC : Trailer Car
DMLC : Driving Motor cum Luggage Car
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Table 0.11 – Train Carrying Capacities
Driving
Motor car
Driving Motor car
6 Car
Motor car
/Trailer Car
cum Luggage car
Train
Seated 56 64 38 350
Standing 11 13 8 71
Wheel chair 2 0 1 3
Total 67 77 46 421
Basic unit of 6 car trains has been selected to meet the traffic demand in years
2011, 2016 and 2021.
7.3 Train Operation Plan
The train operation plan (headway and train composition) planned for year 2011
and 2021 is given as under:
Year 2011
The train operation on Airport Express Link is planned with 6car trains at 10
minutes headway during the first year of operation i.e. 2011. The 6 car train
capacity with 10 min headway is 2526 per hour per direction. The capacity
planned is nearly equal to the peak demand. This has been done to cater for
the uneven distribution of traffic in the peak hour.
Year 2016
The train operation on Airport Express Link is planned with 6 car trains at 8
minutes headway during the year 2016. The 6 car train capacity with 8 min
headway is 3158 per hour per direction. The capacity planned is adequate for
the peak demand. This has been done to cater for the uneven distribution of
traffic in the peak hour.
Year 2021
The train operation on Airport Express Link is planned with 6 car trains at 6
minutes headway during the year 2021. The 6 car train capacity with 6 min
headway is 4210 per hour per direction. This has been done to cater for the
uneven distribution of traffic in the peak hour.
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Table 0.12 - Train Operation Plan
Train
Headway
No of
carrying
Year PHPDT
Planned
capacity per
Cars per
Demand
Hour per
train
(minutes)
direction
2011 3302 10 6 2526
2016 5043 8 6 3158
2021 7859 6 6 4210
No services are proposed between 12 PM to 0430 AM, which period is reserved
for maintenance of infrastructure and Rolling Stock. Depending up on actual
arrival and departure of aircrafts the maintenance slot will need to be adjusted
7.4 Rake Requirement
Based on Train formation and headway as decided above to meet Peak Hour
Peak Direction Traffic Demand in different years, the rake requirement has
been calculated which includes traffic and maintenance reserves and tabulated
below:
Table 0.13 –Rake Requirement
No. of
Year Headway
(minutes) No. of Rakes No. of Cars
per Rake
Cars
2011 10 10 6 60
2016 8 12 6 72
2021 6 15 6 90
The additional requirements of rolling stock from 2026-27 have not been
considered.
7.5 Rolling Stock
The Rolling Stock design requires an operation at maximum attainable speed of
160 kmph. The interiors of the coaches shall be different from normal metro
coaches with more facilities. Comfortable seating facility for passengers is
provided with provision of TV screen at the back of the seat for displaying
information. Standing capacity of 20% of seating capacity has also been
provided. Provision for luggage space is also kept in the coaches.
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Low Life Cycle Cost
The low life cycle cost is achieved by the way of reduced scheduled and
unscheduled maintenance and high reliability of the sub-systems. It is possible
to achieve these objectives by adopting suitable proven technologies.
8.0 TRACTION SYSTEM AND POWER SUPPLY
8.1 Traction system
25 kV AC Traction system is proposed for Airport Rail Link. The system shall be
with flexible OHE.
8.2 Pow er requirement
The power requirements of a metro system are determined by peak-hour
demands of power for traction and auxiliary applications. Broad estimation of
auxiliary and traction power demand is made based on the following
requirements:-
(i) Specific energy consumption of rolling stock – 80KWh/1000 GTKM
(ii) Regeneration by rolling stock – 30%
(iii) Elevated/at –grade station load – initially 350kW, which will increase to
500 kW in the year 2031
(iv) Stations with check in facility-: initially 3400 kW, which will increase to
4000 kW
(v) Depot auxiliary load - initially 2000kW, which will increase to 2500 kW in
the year 2031.
Keeping in view of the train operation plan and demand of auxiliary and traction
power, power requirements projected for the year 2011and 2021 are
summarized below:-
Table 0.14 - Power Demand Estimation (MVA)
Power
Year
Demand
2011 2016 2021
Traction
8.3
12.9
21.2
Auxiliary
4.2
4.2
5.5
Property
Development
2.0
2.0
2.5
Total
14.5 19.10 29.2
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8.3
Continuous & reliable power supply is mandatory for efficient operations. To
ensure reliability of power supply, it is essential that both the sources of supply
and connected transmission & distribution networks are reliable and have
adequate built in redundancies. Therefore, it is desirable to obtain power supply
at high grid voltage of 220 or 66 kV from stable grid sub-stations and for BIAL
itself well before revenue opening date.
8.4 Standby Diesel Generator (DG) Sets
In the unlikely ev ent of simultaneous tripping of all the input power sources or
grid failure, the power supply to stations as well as to trains will be interrupted. It
is, therefore, proposed to provide a standby DG set of 200 KVA capacity at all
stations to cater to the following essential services:
(i) Essential lighting
(ii) Signaling & telecommunications
(iii) Fire fighting system
(iv) Lift operation
(v) Fare collection system
(vi) Security Check Equipment
Silent type DG sets with low noise levels are proposed, which do not require a
separate room for installation.
8.5 Supervisory Co ntrol and Data Acquisition (SCADA) System
The entire system of power supply (receiving, traction & auxiliary supply) shall
be monitored and controlled from a centralized Operation Control Centre (OCC)
through SCADA system. Modern SCADA system with intelligent remote
terminal units (RTUs) shall be provided. Optical fiber provided for
telecommunications will be used as communication carrier for SCADA system.
9.0 TRAIN CONT ROL, COMMUNICATION AND FARE COLLECTION SYSTEM
9.1
Continuous Automatic Train Control (CATC) system with cab signalling has
been proposed for the Rail Link operation transporting a high volume of
passengers at tight headways to ensure strict safety enforcement monitoring.
Line side LED signals shall be provided at all stations and at diverging routes
from the main line (i.e. at points & crossings), which shall serve for backup
signalling in case of failure of CATC system.
9.2
Power supply for the signalling & train control equipment provided at the
stations, depot & rolling stock shall be on the similar pattern to be provided in
Bangalore Metro phase-I System. The power supply will have at least 3 levels
i.e. mains power supply from the State Electricity Supply, traction power supply
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and UPS/battery backup/Diesel Generator to support uninterrupted train
operations.
9.3
A reliable telecommunication system encompassing multitude of functions and
activities is essential for a rail based metro system interconnecting various
locations like stations, depots, trains, OCC, site staff, administrative offices,
data and MIS links.
9.4
Telecommunication System shall comprise various sub-systems viz. Fiber Optic
Transmission System (FOTS), Telephone, Radio, Public Address, Close Circuit
TV and Public Information Display System, Centralized Clock System, SCADA
etc. The FOTS shall have an armoured optical fiber cable with path diversity.
The equipment proposed shall be of STM-1/STM-4 Digital Hierarchy (DH) with
expandable capability to STM-16. This system will have built in Network
Management System (NMS) to monitor overall system performance and
capability for reconfiguration. It is proposed to provide ISDN-EPABX system to
be integrated with other telephone systems with access to PSTN and interface
to radio system. The proposed radio system shall support both train radio and
hand held portable sets for communication with central control. Microprocessor
based Network Management System covering radio/optical fiber based
communication and telephone exchange system shall be provided.
10.0
AUTOMATIC FARE COLLECTION SYSTEM
10.1
For trouble-free and efficient ticketing & passenger control, Automatic Fare
Collection (AFC) System shall be provided. The base AFC system shall make
use of “Contact-less Smart Cards and Tokens” for multiple and single journey
respectively, as well as working with multiple operators. The AFC system shall
have equipment located at OCC and stations.
10.2
Ticket vending shall be both manual and through Ticket Vending machines.
11.0 TRAIN MAINTENANCE DEPOT
Train Maintenance depot is planned in open land near the International Airport
for which 25 Hectares of land area is required. The depot shall cater for normal
repair, maintenance and inspection, washing of rakes etc.
12.0 OTHER ENGINEERING ITEMS
12.1 GEO-TECHNICAL INVESTIGATIONS:
The area under study is part of gneissic terrain of peninsular origin. The soil
formation is due to physical weathering of parent rock caused by temperature
changes accompanied by chemical transformations. Generally the soils contain
Kaolinite, Montmarillonite, Muscovite and quartz as the dominant clay minerals.
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Twenty-one boreholes were drilled up to a maximum depth of 30-m below the
existing ground level.
12.2
For the viaduct structure generally pile foundation has been proposed, but at
many locations open foundation is possible.
12.3 Utility and Services
: The proposed alignment is mostly on the central median
of NH-7 and the connecting roads of the city and BIA and hence not many
Utility Crossings exist. However, there are some electric poles, telephone poles,
sign boards, Advertising boards, traffic signals, police umbrellas etc. These may
not have significant effect on construction and project implementation time
schedule / costs. In any case necessary planning action will have to be taken
before actual construction.
12.4 Land:
Land is mainly required for City Air Terminal, other station buildings,
traffic integration facilities, depot/car shed, receiving/traction sub-stations,
property development, temporary construction depots, and work sites, etc.
Abstract of land requirements for different components of this corridor are
summarized below:
Government Land
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Government land to be acquired at stations & other locations – 20.10
Hectare.
For Govt. Land (within road ROW), permission is to be obtained from the
respective depts.
Private Land
•
Private Land to be acquired including land for Depot - 28.65 Hectare
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Land for temporary works & construction Depots - 08.00
Hectare
12.5
Permission from NHAI is required to be obtained to use the median of the road
for locating the viaduct piers.
13.0 ENVIRONMENT AL IMPACT ASSESSMENT
13.1
Detailed Environmental Impact Assessment Study has been carried out along
the proposed alignment. As a part of this study, comprehensive environmental
baseline data such as water quality, vegetation, air and noise quality was
collected. Both positive and negative impacts of the project were assessed in
detail. There are approximately 231 trees on the proposed alignment, which will
need to be uprooted and another 375 trees are required to be pruned. Most of
these trees are in the private farm lands before entering the Airport area. No
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historical/cultural monuments will be affected as a result of the proposed
development of project. As the alignment is running almost on the median of the
roads, acquisition of private land is kept to the barest minimum although a few
properties are affected. To minimise the negative environmental impacts, a
comprehensive Environment Management & Monitoring Plan has also been
drawn up, both for construction and operational phases, outlining necessary
remedial measures.
The positive environmental impacts are:
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Traffic congestion reduction
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Quick service and safety
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Less fuel consumption
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Reduction in air pollution
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Better roads
•
Employment opportunities
Based on environmental baseline conditions, planned project activities and its
assumed impacts, a set of measures are to be taken during implementation and
operation to avoid or offset adverse environmental impacts or to reduce them to
acceptable levels. Environmental monitoring will be required for the construction
and operational phases. The parameters needed to be monitored are water
quality, air quality and noise levels.
14.0 COST ESTIMAT ES
14.1
Cost estimates have been prepared based on the price levels prevailing in
June, 2007. It has been assumed that land owned by Government / Municipal
Corporation will be provided free of cost to the project. It has been further
assumed that cost of civil works of the airport line including the terminal stations
located within BIAL premises will be provided as one time grant to the owner of
the Airport Rail Link. The length of the Rail Link upto Terminal – I inside BIAL
premises comes to 3.57 kms and its estimated costs at June 2007 price level is
148 crores ( i/c taxes). This cost does form part of the completion cost of the
project.
•
Estimated cost (without land cost) = Rs.2677 Crores
•
Estimated cost (Including land cost) = Rs.2832 Crores
•
Estimated Central & State Taxes = Rs. 344 Crores
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Estimated cost (Including Taxes) with Land = Rs.3176 Crores
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Completion cost by March, 2012 with Taxes and Land = Rs.3716 Crores
Abstract of cost is enclosed at Annexure-A
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15.0 THE PROPOSED F ARE STRUCTURE
15.1
Fare structure proposed to be adopted at the time of opening of the Airport Rail
Link will be as under:
From CAT at Police grounds to International Airport = Rs. 200/-
From Hebbal to International Airport = Rs. 150/-
From Yelahanka to International Airport = Rs. 100/-
15.2
Monthly or quarterly season tickets will be priced on the basis of Rs.50/- per
journey and forty journeys per month i.e. Rs.2000/- p.m.
16.0 Property Development
16.1
There is excellent scope for raising funds through property development at M.G.
Road Station, Hebbal and Yelahanka Stations. In addition the Car Depot also
provides opportunities for property development.
16.2
Finances expected to be raised at these 4 locations are -
1) CAT Rs.300 crores
2) Hebbal Rs.200 crores
3) Yelahanka Rs.100 crores
4) Depot Rs.400 crores
Of the above, item1 will be exploited and enjoyed by the owner of the Project.
Items 2, 3 and 4 will be done by the Concessionaire earmar king 50% (i.e.
Rs.350 crores) for Capital funding. Out of balance 350 crores, 75 crores will be
taken as operating income during second year of operation and balance over a
period of 25 years as continuous revenue generation.
17.0
PROJECT FIRR
17.1
The FIRR of the Project with taxes and duty will be 13.26%. The economic rate
of return has not been worked out as this will not be very significant and project
can not be justified on social grounds.
17.2
The Project is proposed to be taken up on BOT basis through a concessionaire
with a concession period of 30 years including construction time. Assuming that
the concessionaire will have to raise resources from the market at 12% and he
would expect a return on his equity to the extent of 14% the viability gap funding
(VGF) has been assessed as Rs. 50 crores considering that Government &
Private land is made available free of cost and Airport operator will bear the
cost of civil works within the Airport premises for the value of Rs.148 crores.
Land inside the Airport premises will also be made available free of cost. This
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gap in viability will have to be met by the owner of the project namely the SPV
from its own equity capital.
18.0 FINANCING OF T HE PROJECT
For funding this project two options namely 1) Public Private Partnership (PPP)
model, 2) Build Operate and Transfer (BOT) model, with a concession period of
30 years are examined as under:
Under PPP model, the civil construction job will be done by SPV with funds to
be made available by GOI & Government of Karnataka (GOK) and the systems
and E&M works will be done by the concessionaire by bringing required funds
in the debt equity ratio of 2:1. Under BOT model, the BOT operator will
construct the project and run the system for 30 years including construction
period. To attract concessionaire to implement the project on BOT basis, a
minimum post tax return of 14% on his equity has been assured. It is further
assumed that concessionaire will be able to arrange loans @ 12% interest.
Land is to be provided free of cost (Rs. 155 Crores) in both the options.
Since, under the PPP model, the governments’ outflow will be Rs. 978 Crores
(Rs. 1328 Crores - Rs.350 Crores from Property Development) and under the
BOT model the VGF is only Rs. 50 Crores, the latter is recommended for
adoption. In brief the funding of the project on BOT basis will be as under-
•
Concessionaire equity - Rs. 1004 Crores
•
Concessionaire loan - Rs. 2009 Crores
•
Viability gap funding after adjusting for - Rs. 50 Crores
Up front of Rs. 350 Crores as PD Receipt.
•
Funding by BIAL (Civil Cost in Airport compound) - Rs. 148 Crores
•
Post tax return on concessionaire equity - 14%
•
Completion cost without Land cost but with taxes - Rs. 3561 Crores
19.0 INSTITUTIONAL ARRANGEMENTS
Under the BOT model, there should be an owner, owning and be responsible
for the project. Civil Aviation and Railways are both Central Subjects. But the
State Government has a big stake in the successful operation of this Rail Link.
Similarly, the Airport Operator also has a great stake and involvement in the
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project. Therefore, all the three partners involved should come together and
float an SPV who will own the project and administer the Concession
Agreement. The share-holding in the SPV is recommended in the ratio 45:45:10
between G.O.I., G.O.K. and BIAL. The share-holding ratio is kept arbitrary but
negotiable. From the Government’s point of view, the ratio appears to be the
best. The initial share capital could be a modest sum of Rs.300 crores and the
SPV can be named as Bangalore Airport Rail Corporation (BARC). Since AAI is
responsible for overseeing and safety of all Airports in the country (except those
under the Defence Ministry), AAI should represent G.O.I. in the BARC. It is
strongly recommended that the cost of Government and private lands which is
borne by Government of Karnataka is not reckoned as G.O.K.’s contribution to
the equity. Similarly, the cost of civil works within Airport limits, which will be
contributed by BIAL as a one time grant, is also not reckoned as equity of BIAL
in BARC.
A share capital of Rs.300 crores is necessary for BARC as it will have to meet
the VGF and other administrative expenditure of the Company for 30 years. To
supplement their income it is proposed that the property development of the
City Airport Terminal on Police Grounds is reserved for BARC. In case a
negative VGF is achieved through competitive bidding, or the bidding is on
revenue sharing basis, that also will be a source of income for BARC.
BARC should be a very slim and competent organization with not more than 10
persons on its rolls. All activities can be farmed out to Consultants including
project management, but superintendence, monitoring and administration of the
Concession Agreement will be the full responsibility of BARC.
The Board of BARC may cosnist of not more than 7 Directors, 3 from each
Governemnt and one from BIAL. While the M.D. will be from G.O.K., the
Chairman will be from AAI. Atleast one of the G.O.I. Director should be from
Indian Railways or from Delhi Metro.
BARC will have to engage an interim Consultant to prepare the EOI document,
shortlist the bidders and for preparation of RFP document and Concessionaire
agreement. Global competitive bidding will be invited by them and they will
assist BARC to select the Concessionaire and get the Concession Agreement
signed. An organization which has experience in preparing such bid documents
and which has metro experience and background should be selected as interim
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Consultant. Such a Consultant will generally charge 0.5% of the project cost as
their fee.
Once the Concession Agreement is signed BARC will need a project
Management Consultant to assist them in overseeing the Project
Implementation. Such a Consultant should have the expertise and experience
for checking and clearing all technical specifications, competence to supervise
the civil construction, approve System parameters, clear all system designs,
rolling stock designs, supervisie system integration trials, apply for CRS’ safety
inspection, satisfy CRS during his inspection and obtain final Safety Certificate.
The Consultant may have to engage independent Safety Assessors in certain
areas particularly in Signalling and Tele-Communication, Rolling Stock
oscillation trials etc. and should have Metro experience.
The Project Consultants generally charge 4 to 5% of the project cost as
their fee.
Till BARC is registered and start working, G.O.K. should nominate a single
window officer of the rank of Secretary to G.O.K. to handle and take all
decisions in regard to this project.
20.0 HIGH POWER COMMITTEE
During the implementation of the project several problems with regard to
acquisition of land, diversion of utilities, shifting of structures falling on the
project alignment, rehabilitation of project affected persons, etc. are likely to
arise. For expeditious resolution of these problems, an institutional mechanism
needs to be set up at the State Government level. Towards this end, it is
recommended that a High Power Committee under the chairmanship of Chief
Secretary, Karnataka should be set up. Other members of this Committee
should be Secretaries of the concerned Departments of the State Government
and Heads of civic bodies who will be connected in one way or the other with
the implementation of the project, representatives of BIAL, representative of
Indian Railway and a representative of the consultants. This Committee should
meet once a month and sort out all problems brought before it.
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21.0 LEGAL COVER
The High Speed Rail Link to the Airport is a Railway line going beyond the
Municipal limits of Bangalore and therefore it is Railway under the Railways Act,
1989. Howev er, this will be a Non-Governemnt Railway as per the ownership
pattern. All provisions of Railways Act, 1989 will, therefore, apply to this line
22.0 IMPLEMENT AT ION SCHEDULE
Considering the fact that the new Devanhalli Airport will be commissioned by
mid 2008 and that the Airport will be a good 35 kms. away from the City and
that the Airport users will be put to considerable handicap and cost in the
absence of a Rail connection, the High Speed Rail Link has to be ready as early
as possible. The following implementation schedule, though tight, but easily
achievable, is recommended for adoption:-
a) Submission of DPR
20.10.2007
b) Approval of the Detailed Project Report by GOK and GOI 31.10.2007
c) Appointment of interim Consultants by GOK 01.10.2007
d) Preparation of EOI Document 15.10.2007
e) Invitation of EOI
15.10.2007
f) Formation of Joint Venture 30.11.2007
g) Receipt of EOI
15.12.2007
h) Shortlist of bidders
15.1.2008
i) RFP documents ready 31.12.2007
j) Invitation of RFP
15.1.2008
k) Receipt of RFP
15.4.2008
l) Finalisation of Concession Agreement 30.5.2008
m) Financial closure by the concessionaire 15.08.2008
n) Construction, testing and commissioning of the project 31.07.2011
o) Revenue Operation
01.08.2011
Government of Karnataka should hasten decision on the preliminary items
described in the above paras so that the project can be completed as per the
above schedule.
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Since the project will be executed on BOT basis, contract packages will be
decided by concessionaire with the approval of BARC.
23.0 WAY FORWARD
The Executive Summary should be circulated to all concerned and their views
invited – particularly from concerned Departments of G.O.K., Planning
Commission, Civil Aviation Ministry, AAI, Ministry of Defence (regarding Air
Force Station at Yelahanka), NHAI, Indian Railways (Railway Board), Finance
Ministry, Government of India and BIAL. On receipt of DPR, copies may be sent
to all the above agencies. The Karnataka Cabinet and Civil Aviation Ministry
should approve the project in principle at the earliest.
Meanwhile an MOU should be signed by G.O.K., AAI and BIAL to form an SPV
for owning the project. In due course this MOU should be converted into a
formal agreement. GOK should nominate a single window officer of the rank of
Secretary to Government to handle the project as OSD, who in turn will form the
SPV and be its first Managing Director. It is emphasized that the person
selected as OSD has to continue to be in-charge of this project from beginning
till Revenue Operation Date (ROD). In between there should be no change in
incumbency. Then only accountability and commitment from this person can be
expected to finish the project on time and within estimate. It is needless to
mention the person so selected should be of high integrity, of excellent track
record, competent, capable of getting along with different agencies and above
all committed to the project
The OSD should engage an interim Consultant as early as possible and adhere
to the implementation schedule mentioned in Para 4 above.
It is again needless to mention, the whole success of the project will depend
upon the person selected to head the project as OSD. It is equally important to
state that there should be no political or bureaucratic interference in the
functioning of this OSD.
Each day the project is delayed the cost will go up by Rs.25.0 lakhs due to
inflation alone. Further each day the loss of revenue from the project will be
Rs.37 lakhks. The price for delays in decision making will be obvious from this.
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24.0 RECOMMENDATIONS
A Joint Venture for the proposed High Speed Express Rail Link to the
International Airport with GOK, GOI and BIAL should be set up to own and
implement the project. The initial share capital of this Joint Venture will be Rs.
300 Crores to be contributed by GOK, GOI and BIAL in the proportions of
45:45:10. SPV will meet the VGF of Rs 50 Crores out of these funds. The share
capital of the three parties will be subsequently increased in the same
proportion to fund the increase in the viability gap if any. The Rail Link will be
got executed by the Joint Venture on BOT basis. Since the proposed Rail Link
is expected to be financially remunerative, the profit gained should be shared
between the Concessionaire and the Joint Venture after the actual traffic
exceeds 120% of the projected traffic.
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It would have been good if they had a station planned in S bangalore also. Since the CAT will be only station for HSRL for Central & South bangalore, the traffic situation would get really bad near the MG road area. A station @ btm/silk board would have been really good. If people actually use HSRL alot then the traffice from koramangala/btm/e.city to CAT would be enough to block many roads. I hope they atleast have plans to expand HSRL to a station some where in S bangalore later. A station each for North , Central & South bangalore would be a really good design.

btw here is a pic of the route the HSRL will take
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/848/routegib.jpg

pic taken from :http://www.ksiidc.com/pdfs/hsrlrfp.pdf

This PDF has lot of other information but most /all of it has already been mentioned in the previous post/s.

Looking at Table 0.2 in the DPR, it is out of date and needs to be revised. The projection for 2008/09 in that is 12.3 mn. That is more like 8.8 or 9 million in reality.

The projection for 2009/10 is 14.9 million. BIAL expects about 9.5 million this year.

Further projections for out years.

2010 – 11 17.20
2016 – 17 30.00
2021 – 22 40.10

BIAL's own projections for 2014/15 are at 15.4 or 15.5 million.

http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/2009/05/bengaluru-international-airport-first.html

The least we can expect is that they revise the DPR to reflect current reality :)

Srivathsa

Metro to replace rail link to BIA?
S Kushala, TNN 3 August 2009, 01:55am IST

BANGALORE: The ambitious High Speed Rail Link (HSRL) to Bengaluru International Airport is again on a shaky wicket. After facing strong ABIDe
objections, the project was put back on track by government, with the cabinet approving it twice over.

With the slowdown and the project being modelled on public-private partnership, there is an air of uncertainty — will international firms be ready to invest in the Rs 5,800-crore rail link? The project's future now hinges on the Global Investors' Meet scheduled for January. If firms evince interest, HSRL will chug along. If not, the government is ready with an alternative — extend the Metro up to BIA. "We will place the rain link project at the investors' meet. Alternatively, we are planning to extend Metro. BMRC has been asked to prepare a detailed project report," chief minister B S Yeddyurappa told The Times of India.

The infrastructure department which is implementing the project has invited tenders for the second time and got response from 27 firms. After a meeting with the authorities to clarify some finer points, the firms have sought some time. The bids will open in the last week of August.

"Alternatively, the Bengaluru Metro Rail Corporation is getting the detailed project report ready for extension of Metro to BIA and also working on the cost factor," CM's principal secretary V P Baligar added.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/city/bangalore/Metro-to-replace-rail-link-to-BIA/articleshow/4849531.cms

Rail link will cater to Devanahalli
S Kushala, TNN 3 August 2009, 01:46am IST

BANGALORE: The Metro is emerging as a more viable alternative to the High-Speed Rail Link to BIA, as private investors have shown little interest
in it until now. It will now be placed before the Global Investors' Meet, after which its future will be decided.

NOT JUST FOR BIA

Several experts opposing the project are of the opinion that the Rs 5,800-crore project is not needed just to ferry passengers to the airport. But the feasibility study has pointed out that the high-speed rail will cater to the airport city which Devanahalli is emerging as.

"By the time the rail link is provided, Devanahalli will be developed as a satellite city. KSIIDC is taking up a massive business park, BIAL is investing in Aero City and a number of investment proposals are before the government. The train will also cater to people shuttling between Bangalore and Devanahalli and not just to the airport,'' the report points out.

THE PROJECT

* The 34-km high-speed rail link will start from MG Road, run along the right side of the National Highway up to BIA. The train, which is otherwise elevated, will go underground at BIA, below the airport lounge, 100 metres from the check-in counters

* Requires 162 acres of land on NH-7; compensation amount estimated at Rs 532 crore

* Viability gap funding module is worked out on three basis -- 20% of the project cost as estimated by the authorities, or the cost quoted by the company finalised for the project or bank's estimation -- whichever is lowest, minus land acquisition cost

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/city/bangalore/Rail-link-will-cater-to-Devanahalli/articleshow/4849528.cms

I'm am in favour of high speed link, metro will take longer to build.:ohno:

i favour metro...:cheers:

Rail link will cater to Devanahalli
S Kushala, TNN 3 August 2009, 01:46am IST

BANGALORE: The Metro is emerging as a more viable alternative to the High-Speed Rail Link to BIA, as private investors have shown little interest
in it until now. It will now be placed before the Global Investors' Meet, after which its future will be decided.

NOT JUST FOR BIA

Several experts opposing the project are of the opinion that the Rs 5,800-crore project is not needed just to ferry passengers to the airport. But the feasibility study has pointed out that the high-speed rail will cater to the airport city which Devanahalli is emerging as.

"By the time the rail link is provided, Devanahalli will be developed as a satellite city. KSIIDC is taking up a massive business park, BIAL is investing in Aero City and a number of investment proposals are before the government. The train will also cater to people shuttling between Bangalore and Devanahalli and not just to the airport,'' the report points out.

THE PROJECT

* The 34-km high-speed rail link will start from MG Road, run along the right side of the National Highway up to BIA. The train, which is otherwise elevated, will go underground at BIA, below the airport lounge, 100 metres from the check-in counters

* Requires 162 acres of land on NH-7; compensation amount estimated at Rs 532 crore

* Viability gap funding module is worked out on three basis -- 20% of the project cost as estimated by the authorities, or the cost quoted by the company finalised for the project or bank's estimation -- whichever is lowest, minus land acquisition cost

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/city/bangalore/Rail-link-will-cater-to-Devanahalli/articleshow/4849528.cms

Hope some sane persons r there in autorities to favor metro to HSRl

Though DPR seems to be old, it is a very enticing report. you end up dreaming about it.

i favour metro...:cheers:


me too.
Why?

1. When Devanahalli eventually becomes a satellite town, i am sure ppl there would not be too happy about paying 200(one way) or so for every trip they make to the city.
2. I dont think HSRL is really a HIGH speed train. As per the DPR the operational speed would be 145kmph. We already have trains like shtaabdi etc running @ 100+ kmph, so they are definetly not using any technology like TGV/maglev but only using existing technology with the railways. So I dont see the need for charging so much (200rs). The main reason therefore why the train will take such a small time is because of the limited number of stops. If the metro was to run the same distance with same number of stops i am sure it would reach there in around 45 mins (arrived @ by doubling travel time between stations and keeping the same stop time). Now why would you like to spend 200 for arriving only 20 mins early?
3. Luggage checking @ HSRL station is given as a major advantage for the HSRL. Same can be done with metro (only for this route) by reserving a fixed number of coaches per train for airport traffic (with space for carrying checked in luggage) and providing required facilities @ the station.
had a few more points but forget them as i was writing this :ohno:

well if metro is the solution then it's better govt stops going ahead with metro . Well only factor now is time to reach bia even Volvo buses travel faster than metro Volvo buses travel @ 80+ if metro travels @ 40kms/hr It's better to leave things as it is and acquire required land and float tenders when meltdown is over and economy is booming more over 27 companies are not fools to apply/bid for project without info of it and how did times reporter know that all firms would reject the project have they informed toi that they were not interested in the project there are firms from more than 14 countries in they worst case there would be a partnership among two or more of 27 companies who would bid jointly they would also be provided land for real estate activities .i feel hsrl would go through and more over cost of implementation of metro and hsrl are same both costs about 220 cr /km then why choose one which is slower when time is main constraint.If one is not feasible how can other be ?

LIST OF COMPANIES PARTICIPATED IN THE PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE
HELD ON 30 MAY 2009 TH
Sl.No. Particulars of firms / companies
1 Alstom Transport India
2 BEML Ltd.
3 BHEL Ltd.
4 Bombardier Transportation India Lt d
5 CEC Internat ional Corporation (India) P. Ltd.
6 Construcciones Y Auxiliar De Ferrocarriles, S.A.
7 Cushman & Wakefield India P. Ltd.
8 DB Realty
9 Erinco (India) P. Ltd.
10 FGI Group of Companies
11 Gannon Dunkerley & Co. Ltd.
12 GE Infrastruct ure
13 Geodesic Techniques P. Ltd.
14 George Foundation
15 GVK Group
16 Halcrow Consulting India P. Ltd.
17 Hexagon Group
18 Hindustan Construction Co. Ltd.
19 Hindustan Infrastructure Projects & Engineering P. Ltd ( Jupiter
Aviation Services P. Ltd.)
20 Lanco Infratech Ltd.
21 Larsen & Toubro Ltd
22 Mitsubishi Corporation
23 Reliance Infrastructure (Mumbai Met ro One P. Ltd.)
24 Rites Ltd
25 Roughton & Partners International Ltd
26 Scomi Group
27 Siemens Ltd.
28 Soma Enterprises Lt d
29 Tata Realty & Infrastructure Ltd
30 Thales India P. Ltd.
31 Tirumala Seven Hills (P) Ltd
32 TVS Interconnect Systems Ltd

8
June 2009
th
Proceedings of the Pre-application Conference on High Speed
Rail Link Project, Bangalore, held on 30
May, 2009
th
List of Companies represented: As per Annexure
Principal Secretary to Government, Infrastructure Development Department and the
Managing Director, Bangalore Airport Rail Link Limited welcomed th e participants. He
introduced th e Execu tive Director, KSIIDC (ED), th e representatives of DMRCL and
iDeck. He made a brief presentation on th e HSRL project. Then, th e qu eries receiv ed
were presented by ED. The responses to queries were then provided. Further, the
following additional queries were raised during the meeting:
1.
Period of concession
–Some of the bidders requ ested for a longer concession
period.
2.
Increasing the number of shortlisted bidders at the RFQ stage from 5
to 7 or 8
– Some bidders have requested for increasing the number of
shortlisted bidders considering that in large projects the number of bids which
actually materialized at the RFP stagewas significantly lower (eg: Mumbai Metro,
New Delhi Station); they requested for shortlisting at least 7 at the RFQ stage.
3.
Clause 2.2.1 (c)(i)
– To increase the limit of cross h olding (Clause 2.2.1
(c ) (i) relating to Conflict of Interest) from 1 % to 5 %
– To exclude PE Funds/Mutual Funds/any oth er
funds/FIs/FIIs just as Banks/Insurance Companies,
Pension Funds or PFIs
4.
Clause 2.2.6 (g) (iv)
: Requ ested th at the joint and several liability of the
members of the consortium to be limited up to the formation of SPV and signing
of the Concession Agreement instead of up to financial Close.
5.
Clause 3.2.4 & Appendix I, Annexure IV, 14
: It was queried whether score
for eligible projects under Category 3 & 4 was limited to share in the
JV/consortium if the works are executed jointly? .

6
Clause 3.2.3 (c) and 3.2. 4
: In 3.2.3 (c), it is linked to project cost where as in
3.2.4, it is linked to payments received/made and not to project cost or value of
contract.What is the intended meaning in 3.2.4? Whether each & every payment
has to be of the specified valu e at the minimu m? If the contract value is more
than Rs 150 crores, but payments received are staggered, are such payments
eligible?
7.
Clause 2.2.3
: Is it compulsory for a consortium to h ave O&M member in the
beginning as opposed to option for entering into an agreement given for an
individu al applicant?
8.
Clause 1.2.4 – Bid Security
: Bid security at RFP stage is very h igh. Model
RFQ document stipulates not less than 0.5%. It is understood th at in case
Mumbai Metro, this was relaxed.
9.
Clause 2
.
13.2 (iii) – Power of Attorney & Appendix III
: Requirement is
that all consortium members to sign the PoA. But a lead member cannot sign for
himself. Requ ested for clarification as this needs to be signed by all other than
the lead member.
10.
Other points
:
a)
Valu e of contracts execu ted 10 yrs back are accounted without any escalation;
b)
Foreign investors get automatic advantage of exchange rate to accou nt for
escalation;
c)
Clause 3.2.3 – Are ongoing projects allowed? In case of Clause 3.2.4 fully or
partially executed projects are allowed.
d)
Why annual report for 10 years? Page 45 and Page 28 mention different
things regarding requirement of annual report.
e)
Detailed Project Report (DPR) & power point presentation to be hosted on
the web site.
Regarding land being proposed for property development, it was informed that details
wou ld be provided.

It was informed that the points requiring further clarifications will be replied
while hosting the qu eries & responses. Any addendum to the RFQ Docu ment
dt.27
May, 2009 will also be hosted on the website.
th
Th e meeting ended with MD, BARL thanking all th e participants.
Managing Director
BARL
Enclosures :
Annexure A : Responses to Qu eries
Annexure B : Addendum to Amended RFQ docu ment dt.27
May, 2009
th
Annexure C : Land availability.
List of Members present.
:
1.
V. Madhu , Principal Secretary to Government, Infrastru cture
Development Department and Managing Director, Bangalore Airport Rail
Link Limited.
2.
G. L. Jere, Executive Director, KSIIDC
3.
P. V. Ravi, Managing Director, iDeck
4.
S.D. Sharma, G.M. Consultancy
5.
Gopinathan Nair, Project Director

source http://www.ksiidc.com/pdfs/Proceedings%20of%20Pre-Appln%20mtg.pdf

The metro has a max speed of 80kmph. The speed of 32kmph is arrived at by allowing time for all the numerous stops it would make. If you consider the HSRL also in the same way then its speed would be around 82kmph (34 km in 25mins), no where near its actual running speed of 145kmph. Metro would take less time than the vajras (as they wont be traveling @ 80kmph all along the route given the state of b'lore traffic & roads and the stops they would make) if it too has only 3 stops. As a bonus the metro will also serve to connect devenahalli township with the city helping to recoup the investment made on if faster.
The metro fare will be around 1.5 times the bus fare (not vajra fair). So the fare till BIAL from MG road will be less than 100 rs and it would probably get there in 45 mins. Is getting to the airport 20mins early worth spending more than twice the money you would have to spend otherwise?
The companies that bid for the project obviously (and most probably correctly) see profit for them in such a venture. That does not mean it would serve the people of b'lore in the best way.
Besides the HSRL in its current form has no metro integration planned. A metro to BIAL will solve this problem also and would provide a single mode of transport which ppl would be able to use for various purposes including going to the airport.
One more point: many cities in foreign countries have high speed & metro lines to the airport. But in most cases the metro line comes first (to cater to the common man) then comes the high speed line (for ppl for whom time is a premium and who dont mind spending the extra money). The newyork airport (JFK) is connected to the city by a line that operates much like the metro in the rest of the city. I have used it a few times and it works just fine. People who have used metro/hsrl already present in other cities could throw more light on the usefulness of both these solutions by recollecting their experience.The BIAL airport traffic would not reach 1/2 of JFK in the near future (or the distant future too) so why the need for such a dedicated solution (HSRL) that would serve only a few?
Besides what do people living in S.Bangalore get out of HSRL? This would include 1000s s/w ppl working in E.City and other companies(who would travel frequently to BIAL), because of whom b'lore has got the silicon valley name?.
Also if 3 ppl (with light luggage) were to pool in their money, a single taxi would cost them much less than the HSRL fare (3 X 200). Which again means HSRL will mostly be used by people who dont mind spending the extra money. Ofcourse 100rs wont get you much in b'lore :ohno:, but money is still money :bash:.

The metro has a max speed of 80kmph. The speed of 32kmph is arrived at by allowing time for all the numerous stops it would make. If you consider the HSRL also in the same way then its speed would be around 82kmph (34 km in 25mins), no where near its actual running speed of 145kmph. Metro would take less time than the vajras (as they wont be traveling @ 80kmph all along the route given the state of b'lore traffic & roads and the stops they would make) if it too has only 3 stops. As a bonus the metro will also serve to connect devenahalli township with the city helping to recoup the investment made on if faster.
The metro fare will be around 1.5 times the bus fare (not vajra fair). So the fare till BIAL from MG road will be less than 100 rs and it would probably get there in 45 mins. Is getting to the airport 20mins early worth spending more than twice the money you would have to spend otherwise?
The companies that bid for the project obviously (and most probably correctly) see profit for them in such a venture. That does not mean it would serve the people of b'lore in the best way.
Besides the HSRL in its current form has no metro integration planned. A metro to BIAL will solve this problem also and would provide a single mode of transport which ppl would be able to use for various purposes including going to the airport.
One more point: many cities in foreign countries have high speed & metro lines to the airport. But in most cases the metro line comes first (to cater to the common man) then comes the high speed line (for ppl for whom time is a premium and who dont mind spending the extra money). The newyork airport (JFK) is connected to the city by a line that operates much like the metro in the rest of the city. I have used it a few times and it works just fine. People who have used metro/hsrl already present in other cities could throw more light on the usefulness of both these solutions by recollecting their experience.The BIAL airport traffic would not reach 1/2 of JFK in the near future (or the distant future too) so why the need for such a dedicated solution (HSRL) that would serve only a few?
Besides what do people living in S.Bangalore get out of HSRL? This would include 1000s s/w ppl working in E.City and other companies(who would travel frequently to BIAL), because of whom b'lore has got the silicon valley name?.
Also if 3 ppl (with light luggage) were to pool in their money, a single taxi would cost them much less than the HSRL fare (3 X 200). Which again means HSRL will mostly be used by people who dont mind spending the extra money. Ofcourse 100rs wont get you much in b'lore :ohno:, but money is still money :bash:.

Well said. HSRL might have viability doesn't mean it serves better than metro.
Copenhagen has metro running to the airport and works wonderful. We find it very pleasant to go there for receiving and seeing off relatives/friends. It is the best.

Well said. HSRL might have viability doesn't mean it serves better than metro.
Copenhagen has metro running to the airport and works wonderful. We find it very pleasant to go there for receiving and seeing off relatives/friends. It is the best.

You are right. However, i must mention that the next phase of metro consists of north-south metro connecting to Hebbal. That will be a good option for the engineers.

Also, monthly passes could possible be assigned at subsidised rates to people traveling between hebbal/yelahanka/airport to MG road and vice versa.
Will enable faster transportation for them as well.
In fact, with electronic fare gates, it will be possible to charge different rates based on your destination and starting points.
One coach should however be reserved for airport traffic though since they have to carry luggage, etc.

Well said. HSRL might have viability doesn't mean it serves better than metro.
Copenhagen has metro running to the airport and works wonderful. We find it very pleasant to go there for receiving and seeing off relatives/friends. It is the best.
Kastrup is not as far as BIAL from the city. on the other hand Stockholm has Arlanda express high speed train which reaches the airport 40 kms from the city in 20 mins.

Kastrup is not as far as BIAL from the city. on the other hand Stockholm has Arlanda express high speed train which reaches the airport 40 kms from the city in 20 mins.

That is true. We could fit another bangalore between bangalore and BIAL :nuts:. A bit like the Kozhikode(calicut,kerala) airport which lies in the adjascent malappuram district and not in kozhikode district.

Kastrup is not as far as BIAL from the city. on the other hand Stockholm has Arlanda express high speed train which reaches the airport 40 kms from the city in 20 mins.

But Copenhagen airport train serves not only copenhagen but substantial part of south Sweden(where I live) which is 45km away from Copenhagen. This is possible purely because of it being normal Train not this so-called specialized line. this is all the more reason to support metro.

But Copenhagen airport train serves not only copenhagen but substantial part of south Sweden(where I live) which is 45km away from Copenhagen. This is possible purely because of it being normal Train not this so-called specialized line. this is all the more reason to support metro.

First there is no such thing as a Copenhagen airport train. Most SJ trains that serve CPH and DSB trains that serves Malmö have to pass thru Kastrup, apart from the S-tog/metro that stop there. Similarly all north bound SJ trains from Stockholm that pass through Arlanda halt there as well but there is a dedicated high speed Arlanda express. Distance from the center of the city is the only difference between Arlanda and Kastrup. While Arlanda take 20 mins by high speed train, Kastrup takes only 14 minutes by a normal train.

The idea of any high speed service is to enable the airport of feel near even while it can take the advantages of being far away. It an issue of whether we really want to reduce commute time to airport or not.

High speed is the way, in india they have to start somewhere this is the ideal place.

Metro to replace rail link to BIA?
S Kushala, TNN 3 August 2009, 01:55am IST

BANGALORE: The ambitious High Speed Rail Link (HSRL) to Bengaluru International Airport is again on a shaky wicket. After facing strong ABIDe
objections, the project was put back on track by government, with the cabinet approving it twice over.

With the slowdown and the project being modelled on public-private partnership, there is an air of uncertainty — will international firms be ready to invest in the Rs 5,800-crore rail link? The project's future now hinges on the Global Investors' Meet scheduled for January. If firms evince interest, HSRL will chug along. If not, the government is ready with an alternative — extend the Metro up to BIA. "We will place the rain link project at the investors' meet. Alternatively, we are planning to extend Metro. BMRC has been asked to prepare a detailed project report," chief minister B S Yeddyurappa told The Times of India.

The infrastructure department which is implementing the project has invited tenders for the second time and got response from 27 firms. After a meeting with the authorities to clarify some finer points, the firms have sought some time. The bids will open in the last week of August.

"Alternatively, the Bengaluru Metro Rail Corporation is getting the detailed project report ready for extension of Metro to BIA and also working on the cost factor," CM's principal secretary V P Baligar added.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/city/bangalore/Metro-to-replace-rail-link-to-BIA/articleshow/4849531.cms
looks like a rail link to BIAL is certain.
whether it would be HSRL or Namma Metro ...

looks like a rail link to BIAL is certain.
whether it would be HSRL or Namma Metro ...

Certain, sure. But when would they start building it? Think it will start by the time we have 60 pages in this thread? :lol:

I guess governments never realize the importance of time or how the cost skyrockets as it(time) goes by. If only people in ssc ran all the governments in india:banana:.Then this would be the legislature i guess :nuts:

They are building a metro already, what ever means of transport they chose will work.

They are building a metro already, what ever means of transport they chose will work.

I know they are building metro to commute within the city. But have they started with metro/hsrl on the BIA route? Don't think so.

I know they are building metro to commute within the city. But have they started with metro/hsrl on the BIA route? Don't think so.
I would like the High speed link, but if metro comes i am not against it.

I would like the High speed link, but if metro comes i am not against it.

well last time i was travelling towards bia soil testing was going on near yelahanka

you have completely missed the point. we are talking about hsrl which is dedicated for airport and runs non-stop every 5 min. not a metro that stops at many places and ferries common citizens everyday. they cannot afford rs. 150 one way just for this commute. a metro that would charge say rs. 30 one way and would also be unviable.

i think peak planned capacity of bial is 40 million passengers. if 10 million use hsrl, this means revenue of 10 million * rs. 200 = 200 crore. if we assume this 5000 crore project has a life of 30 years, that's a depreciation itself of rs. 150 crore annually. i believe govt's own equity would only be about rs. 300 crore. even if this spv manages a loan @ 8%, that is an interest outgo of rs. 400 crore annually. i did not even include operational costs. even at full capacity, it means a loss of about rs. 500 crore every year until they decide to stop the service. what kind of an investment is this and for whom?

even the nreg scheme is probably more useful than this hsrl. this is nothing but a white elephant passed off as an infrastructure project.

It could be a white elephant if the government did it alone. If Private companies are willing to dump the required money it obviously means that they have a vested interest aka PROFIT. There is a lot more to gain from this than simply commuter revenue from ticket sales! I trust PPP over any other Government initiative bc it means that the projects won't be economic pit holes, but rather a thriving profitable industry. The goal here is to get the government to spend as little of our taxes as possible and having the Private sector do damn near all the work. So i embrace all PPP projects, even PPP of Indian railways which would only happen under BJP rule i am thinking...

Also, the few areas that are on the way to the airport including devanahalli itself will see a HUGE demand for development. I wouldn't be surprised if those areas become satellite cities.

PPP (or privatization) in the transportation industry, no matter what it is, has an ASTOUNDING effect on the economy! So i say, the more the merrier, the faster the better. Although I am more fond of railways vs toll roads...

city centre in 25 minutes? think of the MONEY those rich air travellers would DUMP into the heart of the city!

So like i said it's just good good good all around, as long as the government is fiscally prudent (conservative). India needs a healthy dose of economic liberty and fiscal conservatism in politics. So far the BJP and MM Singh ALONE is the closest thing to it.

Have to agree there... if a private organization sees a business potential and have a business plan, well let them spend all the money and spend the govt. money on more productive stuff...

32 firms may bid for Rs 5,000-crore project at RFQ meet on Sept 11
Govt to speed up rail work
P M Raghunandan, Bangalore, Sept 3, DHNS:

Even as the economy is beginning to show signs of recovery, the State government has decided to test the market situation by going ahead with the tendering process of the Rs 5,000-crore high-speed rail project to the BIA.

The State Infrastructure Development Department has fixed September 11 as the date for holding the Request For Qualification (RFQ) meeting for companies which have shown interest in the project. The RFQ meeting was put off thrice in the past one year, as these companies were not ready to venture into the project at the time of slowdown.

No further delay
“We will not postpone the RFQ meeting any more. The government is hopeful that all 32 firms will participate, as the economy is showing signs of recovery. Whoever is shortlisted in the RFQ meeting will be asked to participate in the bid. We want the project work to begin in six months’ time,” Department Principal Secretary V Madhu said.

The RFQ meeting was first fixed in September 2008. But many of these firms sought more time, as they were facing financial constraints due to the economic slowdown. The department agreed to their request.

The meetings scheduled for March and August this year were also postponed.
As many as 32 firms from across the globe have expressed interest in the Rs 5,000-crore project, which is proposed to be implemented on PPP model.
They include Reliance Infrastructure, Tata Realty and Infrastructure (both in India), Mitsubishi Corporation, (Japan), CAF, Construcciones Network Ltd and IERS (South Africa), Dywidag (Germany), Alstom Transport (France).

The project is planned to link the city (Police Parade ground off MG Road) with the international airport (34 kms) with a high speed rail.

Sources in the department said that there will not be further delay, as it would only make the project financially unattractive, and not viable for investors due to cost escalation. If the project is delayed for another year, it has to be re-worked entirely, sources pointed out.

Sources also said that if majority of these firms backed off, the department may have to go for re-tendering or throw the project open under the Swiss challenge method.

Chugging On

* Govt to hold meet for high speed rail project on Sept 11
* No more postponement of meeting.
* Some firms want it to be put off again due to slowdown


http://www.deccanherald.com/content/23090/govt-speed-up-rail-work.html

32 firms may bid for Rs 5,000-crore project at RFQ meet on Sept 11
Govt to speed up rail work
P M Raghunandan, Bangalore, Sept 3, DHNS:

Even as the economy is beginning to show signs of recovery, the State government has decided to test the market situation by going ahead with the tendering process of the Rs 5,000-crore high-speed rail project to the BIA.

The State Infrastructure Development Department has fixed September 11 as the date for holding the Request For Qualification (RFQ) meeting for companies which have shown interest in the project. The RFQ meeting was put off thrice in the past one year, as these companies were not ready to venture into the project at the time of slowdown.

No further delay
“We will not postpone the RFQ meeting any more. The government is hopeful that all 32 firms will participate, as the economy is showing signs of recovery. Whoever is shortlisted in the RFQ meeting will be asked to participate in the bid. We want the project work to begin in six months’ time,” Department Principal Secretary V Madhu said...

Chugging On
* Govt to hold meet for high speed rail project on Sept 11
* No more postponement of meeting.
* Some firms want it to be put off again due to slowdown
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/23090/govt-speed-up-rail-work.html

wow! B'lore is always one step ahead, when it comes to infra projects. it would set an example and role model for the rest of the metros! :cheers:

wow! B'lore is always one step ahead, when it comes to infra projects. it would set an example and role model for the rest of the metros! :cheers:

yup, B'lore is always a step ahead "announcing" a big infra project but when it comes to completing these proposed projects its always a decade behind :ohno:

Why is this project so freakin expensive? Can't they do simple overhead traction, straighten the line a bit and get 'good enough' speed out of that line? Or are they doing 3rd powered rail traction (like BART in San Francisco)

I think the Airport terminal is less expensive than this proposed rail line? Does it make sense? :ohno:

definitely makes no sense

I don't think the cost of the rail line to airport should depend on the cost of the airport alone. That makes no sense if we think about this anaology:-

The railways don't refrain from railway projects between 2 places just because the stations at the 2 locations cost a fraction of the rail line project itself (obviously the cost of a 40 km HSRL rail link with sophisticated stations should be quite high whether in India or anywhere in the world - question is whether we want to progress to modernity or not - costs come down with turnover and time as has been the case always in history).
a. It depends on the 2 cities and the demand.
b. It depends on if the project once completed can have a reasonable return on investment.

Same with the HSRL project.
b. If the project cannot deliver a reasonable return on investment then the investors will not invest and in this case the project wont materialize.

So that depends on demand.
There was one particular person dead against this project who said recently that the HSRL will not have enough demand - the same person had also kept repeating separately that the passenger demand at Bangalore airport will keep growing at a very fast rate and the airport needs to increase capacity - these 2 statements of his were highly contradictory with each other. His first statement is closer to the truth though IMO.
a. Its supposed to be an airport city not just the current airport - just the airport alone has 2 phases to come.
b. apart from this the high speed trains will eventually find passengers from new segments who like to travel in the same high class/standard. We dont have the space(even if we find the means) to accommodate that many new cars.
c. The demography of travellers is set to change based on economic upliftment - there will be enough air travellers to fill the HSRLs at the time it is completed IMO.

We must study other modern cities in the world that have HSRLs which operate profitably.
Finally when we go for modern infrastructure/facilities which we have never had before, than we cannot only take as a benchmark what we already know, we dont have sufficient data or info from our not so reliable 'past alone' to examine something entirely new and imported. So we need to look outside and learn whereever necessary - IMO.

Most air travellers travel not just to save time but also for the higher standard. We cant expect them to travel by Metro to the airport and it would be highly counter productive to ignore this fact.

Last but very important - The cost would be deflated significantly if the corruption component is done away with.

Uh, you missed my point entirely chief.

My question was WHY is the expense so high?
Sophistcated rail stations alone don't contribute much to the cost.
However, various different traction systems ( overhead vs third rail )
tend to multiply costs quite a bit like we have with our BART extension
to San Jose in the bay area.

What traction system is proposed for this link?

Is there available, a break up of the costs involved?

Hi-speed rail link to be fast-tracked
TNN 23 September 2009, 04:33am IST
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BANGALORE: Even as the Karnataka government is having second thoughts about implementing the high speed rail link between MG Road and the
Bengaluru International Airport (BIA), the Vision Group on Infrastructure Development has recommended that the project should be fast-tracked.

Capt G R Gopinath, the head of the government-instituted Group, told TOI that there has been a lot of discussion on the project, with several experts going into the matter, and his Group saw no point in delaying the project further. On Tuesday, the Group had its second meeting in a week, this time with V Madhu, principal secretary, infrastructure development department, also participating. “Good infrastructure creates jobs and development. Bangalore needs this project,” Gopinath said.

The last day to submit bids for Request for Qualification (RFQ) invited by the government for the Rs 5,800-crore project is September 30.

If the RFQ does not get a good response, the government has plans to place the project in the upcoming Global Investors Meet scheduled in January.

The project, first mooted in 2007, faced a lot of hitches and had to be approved twice over by the Cabinet. With the economic slowdown, there was uncertainty about whether international firms would be ready to invest in such a project.

Experts opposing the project say it does not make sense to have such an expensive project just to ferry passengers to the airport. But the feasibility study has pointed out that the high speed rail will cater to the airport city which Devanahalli will emerge as.

The 34 km rail link will start from MG Road, run along the right side of the National Highway up to BIA. It will require 162 acres of land on the highway for its structures, and the compensation amount is estimated at Rs 532 crore.

If private parties show no interest in the project, the government is ready with an alternative proposal — to extend the Metro up to the international airport.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/city/bangalore/Hi-speed-rail-link-to-be-fast-tracked/articleshow/5044968.cms

Hi-speed rail link to be fast-tracked
TNN 23 September 2009, 04:33am IST
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BANGALORE: Even as the Karnataka government is having second thoughts about implementing the high speed rail link between MG Road and the
Bengaluru International Airport (BIA), the Vision Group on Infrastructure Development has recommended that the project should be fast-tracked.

Capt G R Gopinath, the head of the government-instituted Group, told TOI that there has been a lot of discussion on the project, with several experts going into the matter, and his Group saw no point in delaying the project further. On Tuesday, the Group had its second meeting in a week, this time with V Madhu, principal secretary, infrastructure development department, also participating. “Good infrastructure creates jobs and development. Bangalore needs this project,” Gopinath said.

The last day to submit bids for Request for Qualification (RFQ) invited by the government for the Rs 5,800-crore project is September 30.

If the RFQ does not get a good response, the government has plans to place the project in the upcoming Global Investors Meet scheduled in January.

The project, first mooted in 2007, faced a lot of hitches and had to be approved twice over by the Cabinet. With the economic slowdown, there was uncertainty about whether international firms would be ready to invest in such a project.

Experts opposing the project say it does not make sense to have such an expensive project just to ferry passengers to the airport. But the feasibility study has pointed out that the high speed rail will cater to the airport city which Devanahalli will emerge as.

The 34 km rail link will start from MG Road, run along the right side of the National Highway up to BIA. It will require 162 acres of land on the highway for its structures, and the compensation amount is estimated at Rs 532 crore.

If private parties show no interest in the project, the government is ready with an alternative proposal — to extend the Metro up to the international airport.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/city/bangalore/Hi-speed-rail-link-to-be-fast-tracked/articleshow/5044968.cms


OK. So land compensation is at 10% of total cost of the project. What about the rest? Still no itemized break-down of the total cost for this very-expensive project. I tried to google to see if there's a itemized breakdown available anywhere, but to no avail.

Isn't there some kind of right to knowledge or some stuff like that in India now-a-days? Why isn't the cost being debated at all? Everyone goes blah-blah we need this because of so-and-so blah blah.. It will help Bangalore blah blah .. Ultimately, it's the tax payers who pick up the cost! Shouldn't there be more due-diligenceof where the money's going?

I am not against this project, I think it's absolutely a must for any modern airport. We must understand that regular electric traction projects cost about 1/10th of what's costing here! With addition of compensation, and more sophisticated railway stations along the way, I still am dumb founded as to why the cost has to be *this* high. Add overhead of 50% you still are way below what's the projected cost.

Bids for rail link to int’l airport opened

In what could be good news to public transport related infrastructure in the City, the State government on Wednesday opened the bids for the Rs 5,767 crore high speed rail link (HSRL) project to Devanahalli, to speed up the process of implementing the project.

Sources in the infrastructure development department (IDD) told Deccan Herald on Wednesday, that bids for the request for qualification (RFQ) were opened. “The response to the bids have been very good, considering the time taken for the project to reach its present stage. Five major consortia have now been selected for financial bids, that will be evaluated in 30 days,” said IDD sources.

With this, the Bangalore Airport Rail Link Limited (BARL) will issue the letter of award (LOA) to the selected concessionaire after the process of evaluation in March 2010. Construction of the HSRL to the Bengaluru International Airport (BIA) is then expected to begin in May 2010.

The five selected consortia in the fray are Reliance, Larsen and Toubro, Siemens/Tata Pioneer Infratech, Lanco and ITD-ITD.CEM. The project will also have a contribution of Rs 1,000 crore from the Government of India through a viability gap funding (VGF) route. It may be recalled that the HSRL project was first cleared by the State cabinet in December 2007 and again in February 2009 at the Belgaum session of the legislature.

Mono rail
Another project that has moved forward is the mono rail system for the City under the CTTP (Comprehensive Traffic and Transportation Plan), for which the BARL is a special purpose vehicle (SPV).

An action plan to this effect has been presented to members of the Agenda for Bengaluru Infrastructure Development (ABIDe). The project now awaits its clearance. To be implemented on a public private partnership (PPP) basis on the identified corridors, the BARL has already issued the letter of intent (LOI) and will appoint consultants by October 19. “The detailed project report (DPR) will then be prepared by January 31, 2010, followed by calling of global tenders through the RFQ and request for proposal (RFP). We hope to have the concessionaire in place in October 2010,” informed IDD sources.

At present, a proposal from Scomi Geodesic has been received by the government under the Swiss Challenge approach and presented to the Bangalore Metropolitan Land Transport Authority (BMLTA). “This proposal will be put to tenders after ABIDe approval,” added IDD sources.


SOURCE (http://www.deccanherald.com/content/28103/bids-rail-link-intl-airport.html)

Tata, Reliance, L&T in race for HSRL

October 1st, 2009

Bengaluru, Sept.30: Top business houses of the country are in the race to bag the High Speed Rail Link project, recently given the go-ahead by the government, that will provide connectivity to Bengaluru International Airport. Tata, Reliance and Larsen & Toubro are among the construction majors competing for the 33.4 km rail link to Devanahalli.

Bengaluru Airport Rail Link Ltd (BARL), which is implementing the project, has received request for qualification (RFQ) from five consortiums: Reliance Infrastructure, Pioneer Infratech-Seimens (Tata Group), Larsen & Toubro, Lanco Infra and ITD-TDC.CEM for the Rs 5,767 crore project.

Principal secretary (infrastructure development) V. Madhu told this newspaper that the project has received a major boost with the participation of these top consortiums.

“We are pleased with the responses we have received. It is a prestigious project that will set standards for the way we travel in India,” he said. “This will be the first high speed rail link in the country with a design speed of over 160 kmph.”

Mr Madhu said the consortiums that have qualified for the project will be shortlisted in a month.

“Financial bidding for the project will begin after that. We will be through with the contracts and concession agreement by March 2010 and the spadework will begin by May 2010. The project will be completed in three years and three months. The rail link will be up and running by mid 2013,” he said.

The company that is chosen will design, build, finance, operate and maintain the High Speed Rail Link for 30 years, including the construction period. It will then transfer all systems required for the operation of the HSRL to the state government.

Mr Madhu said two city terminals have been planned where air passengers can check in and collect their boarding passes, at the Police Parade Ground near MG Road and near Hebbal flyover.

“The Cubbon Road facility will be integrated with the MG Road Metro station and parking facilities for over 1,700 cars will be provided there. The transport hub at Hebbal station will also have parking facilities and an integrated bus terminal,” he said.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/bengaluru/tata-reliance-lt-race-hsrl-340

I hope L&T wins the bid.......

:cheers:

Yeah ... They have a great track record.

Has the location for Yelahanka stop been finalised

Has the place for the yelahanka stop been finalised???? if Yes can i know the location.

FINALLY WORK ON HIGH SPEED RAIL LINK BANGALORE WOULD BEGIN NEXT MONTH this was stated by karnataka tourism minister G.Janardhana Reddy

that seems odd , bids were only opened last month.

according the minister bid evaluation is complete and tender would be awarded within an weeks time

http://www.dnaindia.com/bangalore/report_reddy-fast-tracks-high-speed-rail-ignores-abide_1310016

Within two days of a political compromise, the leader of the 15-day rebellion, Janardhana Reddy, refuses to blink.
click here

Reddy, who is also tourism and infrastructure minister, on Tuesday sidelined the Agenda for Bangalore Infrastructure and Development (ABIDe) to fasttrack the high-speed rail-link (HSRL) project, while announcing that global tenders would be called within a week to develop HSRL.

The project seeks to connect Bengaluru International Airport (BIA), in Devanahalli, with the city centre near BRV Theatre, cutting the travel time to 25 minutes. ABIDe has been opposed to the project, while the state's vision group on infrastruture development, headed by Capt GR Gopinath until two days ago, supports HSRL.

Reddy told reporters after a departmental review meet at his office: "We will issue global tenders within a week, and will finalise the tenders as early as possible. If all goes well, within a month we will start work on the high speed rail."

33 km in 25 mins.. meaning 79 kph.. How is this high speed ?

^^ Thats not even the speed of suburban railways in India. :lol: I don't know how they call it high speed. But seriously, the Metro is also designed for 80kmph but the operating speed seems to be only 35-40 kmph.

25 minutes is inclusive of two stops @ hebbal and yelahanka

Features of the HSR which appeared in today's TOI

Design Speed: 160 kph
Operational Speed: 140 kph
Average Speed: 85 kmph
Seating arrangement: Transverse
Capacity of 6 car unit: 421

^^ thats cool :)

Features of the HSR which appeared in today's TOI

I stand corrected :) Thanks.

I felt Namma Metro could have been deployed with high speed track which enable both metro and airport trains as current HSRL only starts from MG Rd and has very less stations. Also,current HSRL Plan it is not connecting most parts of the city.

For residents all along Bellary road and nearby, it is like having hot butter on tongue:nuts: which cannot be swallowed or spit out :bash:, as they can see HSRL but of no use for daily commuting.

I felt Namma Metro could have been deployed with high speed track which enable both metro and airport trains as current HSRL only starts from MG Rd and has very less stations. Also,current HSRL Plan it is not connecting most parts of the city.

For residents all along Bellary road and nearby, it is like having hot butter on tongue:nuts: which cannot be swallowed or spit out :bash:, as they can see HSRL but of no use for daily commuting.
WELL VINBLR THERE WILL BE METRO FROM ECITY TO YELAHANKA AND MONO ALONG OUTER RING ROAD THERE MAY ALSO BE METRO FROM YESHWANTHPUR TO HEBBAL

And BRTS in the other side of outer ring road upto Hebbal, an interchange Transit center planned for Hebbal, a 6-lane signal free corridor already in place. I think we already have enough infrastructure considering the population and floating population for North Bangalore. 5 years above none of these was there.
WELL VINBLR THERE WILL BE METRO FROM ECITY TO YELAHANKA AND MONO ALONG OUTER RING ROAD THERE MAY ALSO BE METRO FROM YESHWANTHPUR TO HEBBAL

ABIDe plan could derail HSRL project to airport
P M Raghunandan, Bangalore, Nov 14, DH News Service:

The vexed high speed rail link (HSRL) project to Bengaluru international airport has many more hurdles to cross before it could chug along.

A Rs 5,200 crore project, which has received an overwhelming response from investors across the globe, may get derailed if ABIDe (Agenda for Bangalore Infrastructure and Development Task Force) has its way. ABIDe, which has been opposing the HSRL and insisting that a metro should replace it, is now exploring other corridors to connect the BIA with the City, official sources told Deccan Herald.

ABIDe, sources said, it is finalising a corridor -- Yeshwanthpur, Mattikere, BEL, Sahakaranagar and BIA via NH-7 -- which is likely to clash with that of the HSRL. Bangalore Metro Rail Corporation (BMRC), it is learnt, has done a survey of this corridor for the ABIDe. “Mooting an alternative proposal at this juncture will deliver a huge blow to the HSRL. The investors would step back leaving the high speed rail project in a limbo,” officials pointed out.

ABIDe Convener and MP Rajiv Chandrashekar and its vice-chairman Ananth Kumar are said to be against the HSRL. The opposition to the project is such that Capt Gopinath, the pioneer of low-cost airlines, was given the marching orders from the Vision Group for Infrastructure Development for Bangalore for having spoken in favour of the HSRL recently.

However, Minister for Infrastructure Development Janardhana Reddy has backed the project. Reddy had strongly opposed the appointment of Rajiv Chandrashekar as the chairman of flood relief monitoring cell recently. It was in fact one of the reasons for the Bellary Reddys to raise a banner of revolt against CM Yeddyurappa.

Officials said the HSRL project is already half way through the tender process. “The project has received splendid response from investors despite economic downturn. Five consortiums, comprising 14 big time investors, have come forward to invest money into project on PPP basis,” sources said.

The Government cannot withdraw the HSRL at this moment. But it can be spiked only by confusing and discouraging investors from taking it up. “This is exactly what will happen if another corridor to BIA is mooted now. Investors will think twice before taking up any project in future in the State if the HSRL is dropped at this juncture,” officials warned.
The five consortiums are: Reliance Infrastructure Limited and CSR Nanjing Puzhen Rolling Stock Co Ltd; L & T Transco Limited; ITD-ITD Cem Joint Venture (Italian – Thai Development Public Co. Ltd & ITD Cementation India Limited); Pioneer Infratech Pvt. Ltd & Siemens Project Ventures Gmbh; Lanco Infratech Ltd & OHL Concesiones SL.

In fact, ABIDe had opposed the project in September last year and stalled the tender process. Then, the Delhi Metro Rail Corporation MD Sreedharan intervened and asked the CM Yeddyurappa to go ahead with it. Then, the State Cabinet gave the green signal in February, 2009. DMRC is the consultant for the HSRL.

When contacted, BMRC MD N Sivasailam refused to comment. ABIDe member and transport expert Sreehari confirmed that BMRC has come forward with a metro rail plan from Yeshwanthpur to BIA. “Both the HSRL and metro are waste of tax-payers’ money. We can connect the BIA with the City by using the South Western Railway line,” he stated.
source:http://bangalorebuzz.blogspot.com/2009/11/abide-plan-could-derail-hsrl-project-to.html

“Both the HSRL and metro are waste of tax-payers’ money. We can connect the BIA with the City by using the South Western Railway line,” he stated.

Does this not seem to be bs! South Western Railway? Which world is he in? Now i am convinced ABIDE is one big bs!!!

CM to take final call on HSRL

http://www.bangnoos.com/2009/11/cm-to-take-final-call-on-hsrl.html


Bengaluru, Nov. 23: With three powerful ministers in the government making contradictory statement on implementing the Rs 5,767 crore High Speed Rail Link (HSRL) transit system to Bengaluru International Airport, Chief Minister B.S. Yeddyurappa will have to take a final call on the project.


Sources in the secretariat told Deccan Chronicle that the process of shortlisting names in the technical qualification round has been completed. “Some ministers have raised doubts about the approval of the project by the Cabinet. The project was approved by the Cabinet during the Belgaum session in February. A government order was also issued to implement the project. We have no clue what the ministers were talking about,” a source said. “We will seek clarity from the Chief Minister on the issue.”



While tourism and infrastructure minister G. Janardhan Reddy has openly supported the 33.4 km high speed rail project, stating that he was the minister in charge and has the final say, excise minister Katta Subramanya Naidu and transport minister R. Ashok, close aides of the CM and also ministers in charge of Bengaluru, set off fresh speculation by saying the project is still open to debate and will be placed before Cabinet for discussion.



ABIDe, the advisory body for infrastructure in the city, formally headed by the CM and actively led by MP Rajeev Chandrashekar, has on the other hand opposed the project on the grounds that it is too expensive. It suggested that Metro Rail be extended to BIA. But Bengaluru Airport Rail Link (BARL), an SPV created by the government to execute the project, tried to clear the air by saying that it was a PPP model based project with a viability gap funding by Centre of 20 per cent. However, not convinced by the argument, ABIDe has written to the CM to pursue Metro Rail over HSRL.
“Five consortiums, Reliance Infrastructure, Pioneer Infratech-Seimens (Tata Group), Larsen & Tubro, Lanco Infra and ITD-TDC. CEM, have submitted their application for the project. We are though with the evaluation of RFQs submitted by these companies, so technically the project is on course,” he said.

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/business/bidder-selection-for-bangalore-rail-project-soon_100280950.html

Karnataka will soon select a consortium-bidder for the Rs.5,767-crore high-speed rail link between the international airport and the central business district here, a senior state government official said Friday.
“The bidder will be selected in the next 15 days from the five consortiums short-listed,” said Infrastructure Development Principal Secretary V. Madhu on the margins of a trade event on the construction equipment industry.

The five consortiums bidding for the 35-km rail project are led by Reliance Infrastructure, the Tata group, Larsen and Toubro, ICM and Lanco.

Of the total project cost, the central government will invest Rs.1,040 crore as viability gap funding, while the state government will provide land valued at Rs.530 crore.

“The selected consortium will invest the remaining amount in the form of equity and debt to be worked for the finance closure by May 2010,” Madhu said.

The project was vetted by an empowered committee set up by the planning commission on the basis of a detailed project report prepared by Delhi Metro Rail Corp managing director E. Sreedharan in 2007.

The rail link — with two stops — was planned to facilitate speedy transit between the airport and city centre, besides providing link between the upcoming metro rail and the proposed monorail network.

A special purpose vehicle (SPV) will be set up to execute the project.

The state government will explore a strategic equity stake in the 30-year project in the form of a golden share, keeping in view its spin-offs on build-operate-transfer basis, Madhu added.

Bumpy ride for Bangalore’s high-speed rail project
Posted: Tuesday , Dec 08, 2009 at 0305 hrs

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/bumpy-ride-for-bangalores-highspeed-rail-project/551318/2
J
ust days ahead of a call for proposals from a set of private consortia who have qualified to build Bangalore’s biggest PPP infrastructure project in recent times — a Rs 5,76-crore high-speed rail link (HSRL) to the city’s new airport — there are worries that differences of opinion within the Karnataka government could derail the project.
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Bumpy ride for Bangalore’s high-speed rail project
Posted: Tuesday , Dec 08, 2009 at 0305 hrs

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/bumpy-ride-for-bangalores-highspeed-rail-project/551318/2
J
ust days ahead of a call for proposals from a set of private consortia who have qualified to build Bangalore’s biggest PPP infrastructure project in recent times — a Rs 5,76-crore high-speed rail link (HSRL) to the city’s new airport — there are worries that differences of opinion within the Karnataka government could derail the project.
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Whether we get HSRL or not we are getting a free roller coaster ride from the polititians, and we should be thankful for the free entertainment. One day they build our hopes high, and then they suddenly retract and say no, and this cycle has been going on for some time, and there will be many more cycles to come. We too go with the flow and feel very hopeful and excited one day and believe everything they say, and then become extremely disappointed the next day and still believe them.

None of them in the committees care about policy, its all about how much money can be pocketed.

well according to janadrdhana reddy hsrl is on he has even threatened to quit with his supporters if hsrl is dropped

http://cms.mumbaimirror.com/portalfiles/22/10/201001/Image/vertical.jpg
Govt set to award request for proposal for Rs 5,200 crore project

Niranjan Kaggere
Posted On Friday, January 08, 2010 at 02:08:41 AM

The ambitious High Speed Rail Link (HSRL) project which was initially derailed following the rift between the two warring groups of ruling BJP is all set to enter its final stage with the state government getting ready to award a Request for Proposal (RFP) in the backdrop of the interest shown by five consortiums.


The multi-crore project linking the Bangalore city centre with the international airport covering a distance of about 34 km is chugging along despite several hurdles. The vexed Rs 5,200 crore project is gaining momentum after crossing several political hurdles in the past few months. Sources in the Infrastructure Development department told Bangalore Mirror that the verification of all the five companies which submitted RFQs is almost done.”Now we will move on to the next stage of inviting RFPs and based on that, the tender process will start,” explained a senior official.

The Bangalore Airport Rail Link (BARL), an independent body to execute the project, is working on a war footing to finish with the verification. The BARL had estimated the project cost to Rs 3,716 crore. “In another week, we will be done with the verification and call for RFP. Depending on the details of the proposal, tenders will be finalised,” explained C Jayaram, Director, BARL. When asked if there is any cap on the number of companies to submit RFP, Jayaram said, “There is no cap on the total number of companies to be short listed or eligible to submit RFPs. We will finalise the company as per the Transparency Act.”

The verification of companies including Reliance Infrastructure Limited and CSR Nanjing Puzhen Rolling Stock Co Ltd, L & T Transco Limited, ITD-ITD Cem Joint Venture, Pioneer Infratech Pvt Ltd and Siemens Project Ventures and Lanco Infratech Ltd and OHL Concessiones is almost in its final stage.

It may be recalled that the state’s infrastructure task force Agenda for Bangalore Infrastructure and Development Task Force (ABIDe) comprising Bangalore South MP Ananth Kumar and Rajya Sabha MP Rajiv Chandrashekar had vehemently opposed the project. Capt Gopinath, former member of the State government’s Vision Group, had also mentioned that the project appeared to be losing its ground between the two groups of BJP.

The HSRL will pass through the Cubbon Road (Check-in Station), Hebbal (Check-in station), Yelahanka (Pick-up station) before reaching BIA terminal station. Though BARL will execute the project, the government appointed Delhi Metro Rail Corporation (DMRC) Limited as the consultant for the project along with other stake holders including the state government, BMRCL, BIAL, BBMP and BDA.
source:http://www.bangaloremirror.com/article/10/20100108201001080208414268783ebc4/High-speed-rail-link-to-BIA-picks-up-speed.html

and how exactly can the article say that issuing RFP is the "final stage". After RFP , it'll take a few months to get concrete proposals from atleast 5-6 bidders who are in-line with requirements of previous expertise , captal requirements and technical qualifications.

Then they will be asked to submit tenders , then they'll be opened after weeks of delay , after that there will be needless haggling , lawsuits , allegations , counter-allegations , Internal politics , elections , call for re-tendering blah blah blah.

If we are lucky and contract is signed within 2 years then just imagine the time and money that will be wasted on this white elephant.

I don't know why they can extend the damn metro which is already u/c to the airport on an elevated line. Something on the lines of aero express in Delhi.

i totally agreed wit u
Y tey r delaying an infra tat cn make state million/billions
tey purpose on te post is to serve people ........................

^^Would request you to post in legible/proper English so that others could understand what you are saying.

this may sound like a really dumb question. Sorry if its been answered before, but

With the airport 45km away from the most places in the city? , is this rail link really needed?

mods delete if post repetitive.

this may sound like a really dumb question. Sorry if its been answered before, but

With the airport 45km away from the most places in the city? , is this rail link really needed?

mods delete if post repetitive.

If they are not opening HAL then I am for the high speed rail link.:cheers:

Atleast would make some mangalore-mysore-bangalore flight feasible.

well i clearly don't understand why metro is needed if it travels at 40 kmp/hr and has stop every two km it's better u extend swr then build metro hsrl ensures fast connectivity which is the need of the day with even elevated bellary road on the anvil north Bangalore is set to be the most sought after destination that's why 5 big corporate houses across the world have lined up for this project government is just investing (1500 cr (state+central)) why should state govt spend 6000 cr on metro (metro cannot be implemented on ppp according to town planning act ) tax payers many can be used in more efficient way

^^Would request you to post in legible/proper English so that others could understand what you are saying.

Very true, SMS language is NOT English. Moreover, what is the need of SMS lingo on a blog that has unlimited space to type.

and how exactly can the article say that issuing RFP is the "final stage". After RFP , it'll take a few months to get concrete proposals from atleast 5-6 bidders who are in-line with requirements of previous expertise , captal requirements and technical qualifications.

Then they will be asked to submit tenders , then they'll be opened after weeks of delay , after that there will be needless haggling , lawsuits , allegations , counter-allegations , Internal politics , elections , call for re-tendering blah blah blah.

If we are lucky and contract is signed within 2 years then just imagine the time and money that will be wasted on this white elephant.

I don't know why they can extend the damn metro which is already u/c to the airport on an elevated line. Something on the lines of aero express in Delhi.

Delhi metro's airport express is also a high speed rail link which will run at a speed of 135 kph and with very limited stops between the city centre and airport, compared to 80 kph of other lines and average gap of 1.2 km. HSRL makes a lot of sense. People won't prefer to travel 1 and half hour in metro for a 2 hour flight.

Delhi metro's airport express is also a high speed rail link which will run at a speed of 135 kph and with very limited stops between the city centre and airport, compared to 80 kph of other lines and average gap of 1.2 km. HSRL makes a lot of sense. People won't prefer to travel 1 and half hour in metro for a 2 hour flight.

Rail takes predictable amount of time to reach airport and this is its advantage. It does not matter if the flight itself is 1 or 2 hours. Choice of HSRL or Metro needs carefull evaluation of pros and cons. But we certainly need a metro for all pax who take 1 hour flight or 10 hour flight cause they get to know they wont miss their flight for sure and also takes load off the road.

Delhi metro's airport express is also a high speed rail link which will run at a speed of 135 kph and with very limited stops between the city centre and airport, compared to 80 kph of other lines and average gap of 1.2 km. HSRL makes a lot of sense. People won't prefer to travel 1 and half hour in metro for a 2 hour flight.

Then they could do the same thing in B'lore , design a high speed metro with minimal stops and point check in facility.

Bangalore's Hebbal flyover set to go wider
Bosky Khanna / DNAWednesday, January 13, 2010 8:37 IST

Bangalore: Here’s some good news for Bangaloreans. The busy Hebbal flyover that connects the Bengaluru International Airport to rest of the city will soon become six-lane wide, thus giving respite to the beleaguered traffic in the area. This is not all. The entire stretch of the road leading to the airport will be signal-free, thus enduring smooth traffic movement.

The Bangalore Development Authority (BDA) is handing over the Hebbal flyover to the National Highway Authority of India (NHAI) for making it six-lane wide. Furthermore, NHAI is also preparing a detailed project report on making NH-7, from Hebbal flyover to international airport, eight-lane wide and signal-free.

BDA engineer R Sreenivasa said that they had discussed the issue with the officials of NHAI and Bruhat Bangalore Mahanagara Palike (BBMP) and government orders have also been issued. The BDA will clear the debris below the flyover and landscape the area at a cost of Rs1.9 crore, before handing it over to the NHAI for the widening work. Of the 5.6 km flyover, the NHAI aims to add piers on a kilometre stretch to make it six lane.

The BDA had constructed the flyover in coordination with the NHAI. The agency aims to develop 9.6 acresbelow the flyover and hand it over. A statue of Kempegowda will also be installed here.
BDA engineers point that the passenger car units (pcu) was 12,364 vehicles during peak hours in 2009 which is likely to increase to 13,291 in 2010.

BBMP chief engineer (major roads) Chikkarayappa said, the road till Hebbal belongs to the Palike and it will be handed over to improve upon the existing infrastructure. Furthermore, NHAI is also conducting surveys to construct flyovers at five junctions on the highway towards airport, to make it signal free. This will ensure seamless connectivity, NHAI manager, technical, Ravi Sudhakar told DNA. The project for widening the flyover, widening the highway till airport and constructing flyovers is estimated around Rs600 crore. It will be taken up on a public private partnership (PPP) model.

Experts point out that there is a need to undertake this project as the vehicular movement is rapidly increasing. Advisor to the government of Karnataka for traffic, transportation and infrastructure, MN Sreehari said that once road is widened, traffic will increase and thus lead to road congestion. He felt that as compared to BBMP and BDA, the NHAI has better expertise and knowledge it was a good idea to assign them this task.

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/getimage.dll?path=BGMIR/2010/01/18/2/Img/Pc0020400.jpg
The proposed high-speed rail link to the airport may include a facility for air passengers to pick up their boarding passes at two city terminals
SUCHITH KIDIYOOR
Obtaining a boarding pass in the heart of the city for your flight from BIA could be a reality in the not too distant future, if the proposed Rs 5,800 crore high speed rail link (HSRL) project takes off. The Bangalore Airport Rail Link Limited (BARLL), the nodal agency for the rail link project that connects the airport with the central part of the city, is pushing for the measure.
BARLL, which is all set to finalise the consortium to execute the mega infrastructure project, has planned two city terminals where air passengers can check in and obtain boarding passes, said sources quoting from the detailed project report for the HSRL. While one of the check-in terminals will be located at the Police Parade Grounds on M G Road, the other one is proposed near the Hebbal flyover —- a junction where vehicles coming from Mysore Road and Electronics City join the BIA route.
The trains, expected to run as speeds of 145 kmph, will traverse a distance of 33.65 km from M G Road and the journey time will be less than 25 minutes. Each train will have six fully air-conditioned coaches with space for baggage. Once the air passenger obtains a boarding pass at the railway station, he will not have to worry about reaching the airport on time to board his flight, the sources said.
CATCHY IDEA
However, the idea of city terminals is still at the conceptualisation stage, and the modalities have to be worked out in coordination with the security agencies, airlines and the BIA authorities, the sources said. The proposal is seen as one that will be welcomed by Bangaloreans, considering that there has been opposition to the rail link project on account of its cost.
The project is likely to take off after the BBMP polls and is expected to take two years for completion. Officials maintain that the 33.65 km rail link will reduce traffic congestion on National Highway 7 leading to BIA. “We need the new rail link as traffic on the existing threelane way on National Highway 7 has become dense. So much so that the highway to the airport has 11 traffic signals now and that delays travel time,” the government stated in a presentation made to trade bodies recently.
THE ROUTE

• Starts from M G Road-Cubbon Road

• Chowdaiah Road

• Bellary Road

• Hebbal station

• Yelahanka station

• Terminates at Bangalore International Airport (BIA)
Total length: 33.65 km
WHY HAVE A
TRAIN?

• The existing three-lane way on NH 7 has become congested because of an increase in vehicular traffic. (There are 11 traffic signals on BIA route now.)

• A train will reduce pollution levels.

• To start with, ten trains will run. Each train will have six coaches and carry up to 400 passengers. The frequency of these trains will be ten minutes.
Two years ago, the estimated cost was Rs 3,700 crore. It has now escalated to Rs 5,800 crore.

The project is likely to take off after the BBMP polls and is expected to take two years for completion. Officials maintain that the 33.65 km rail link will reduce traffic congestion on National Highway 7 leading to BIA. “We need the new rail link as traffic on the existing threelane way on National Highway 7 has become dense. So much so that the highway to the airport has 11 traffic signals now and that delays travel time,” the government stated in a presentation made to trade bodies recently.


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anyone who has used bangalore airport would tell you that airport traffic itself is light. stretch from yelahanka is quite free. and the final 4 laned few kms from trumpet interchange to airport which carries pure airport traffic is even lighter.

traffic on nh7 till yelahanka is definitely high. this needs to be solved. flyovers at these 11 junctions would cost about 350 crore only. and leave space to build a future metro line when it becomes viable. these need to be first priorities. not the hsrl for high fliers and many would not even use it.

i hope they would not charge me for building this hsrl through some airport taxes or other development charges.

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anyone who has used bangalore airport would tell you that airport traffic itself is light. stretch from yelahanka is quite free. and the final 4 laned few kms from trumpet interchange to airport which carries pure airport traffic is even lighter.

traffic on nh7 till yelahanka is definitely high. this needs to be solved. flyovers at these 11 junctions would cost about 350 crore only. and leave space to build a future metro line when it becomes viable. these need to be first priorities. not the hsrl for high fliers and many would not even use it.

i hope they would not charge me for building this hsrl through some airport taxes or other development charges.

when ever positive thing is happening in Bangalore,you get irritated.:lol:

when ever positive thing is happening in Bangalore,you get irritated.:lol:

actually this post of yours is what irritates me :bash:

what's is the problem with some people,The way they are reacting is like their money is snatched away for this project forcefully it is the private bidder who invests 6600+ cr if he finds it feasible let him implement instated of metro costing taxpayers 7000+ cr

Just an thought.
They are building an Elevated structure.Why can't they come up with elevated structure which can accomodate both metro and Express train.I mean add 4 rail tracks use 2 for each purpose.Can't that be done? Let state sponsor for metro and private party for Express train?

^^ This is very valid if they both ran along the highway. I dont know the metro alignment, but, it should serve certain internal areas as well so people can use it. No point in having everything running along existing roadways.

^^ This is very valid if they both ran along the highway. I dont know the metro alignment, but, it should serve certain internal areas as well so people can use it. No point in having everything running along existing roadways.
it can be done but the private investor would expect some assurance from the government that they don't build any parallel infra as in case with bial (where the hal airport was asked to be shut down) ,he may ask govt to sign a clause which says no development of parallel infra (like govt has an obligation they can't build anything along expressway on hosur hence metro is not considered there in phase 2)

it can be done but the private investor would expect some assurance from the government that they don't build any parallel infra as in case with bial (where the hal airport was asked to be shut down) ,he may ask govt to sign a clause which says no development of parallel infra (like govt has an obligation they can't build anything along expressway on hosur hence metro is not considered there in phase 2)

That is like too much dictating teerms to the govt what if tomorrow in the interests of people, GOK thinks of an alternative?/in that case with GOK having signed that clause it will find itself tangled in the web.The company will then have full power to challenge any move of the govt in the courts.

US firm General Atomic had proposed this technology for High Speed Rail Link
As the Namma Metro project begins to shroud the City with its elevated pillars, in the next five years the Gen-Next rail system will already be in place for Bangalore to choose.


Magnetic Levitation (Maglev) rail service, a Gen-Next design, already running in Shanghai, China, is now all set to be ‘demonstrated’ in the United States for commercial usage. General Atomic, a US-based firm dealing in Maglev projects, had proposed this technology for the High Speed Rail Link (HSRL) to the Bengaluru International Airport (BIA), but it was not considered.

“We had shown our interest for the HSRL project under the same design, but no reply was given to us,” said Mandyam Venkatesh, member of the Special Projects Committee, General Atomic.

Incidentally, General Atomic has been testing Magnetic Levitation and has bagged a contract to build a 1.6 mile rail line for a University campus in the US. This will be up and running in 2013.

Delivering a talk at the Institute of Engineers here, Venkatesh, an Indian American said, while the design is one which will have a major demand world over in the near future, the only glitch is that of the capital investment.

“The investment in the Maglev rail project is three times more than that of hard rail. It will cost anywhere in the range of 125 million dollars/mile as compared to hard rail that costs 7-8 million dollars/mile,” he said.

Levitation theory

Maglev rail system is one which runs on a levitation theory. The rail coach chassis will have magnets attached to it and shall run on concrete bars with copper conductors embedded in them. While the initial cost is supposed to be high, it can cut down the expenditure on maintenance drastically.

“As far as General Atomic, a US Federal Government funded company, the approximate age for our rail system is 50 years,” said Venkatesh. After 50 years, the concrete rails can be replaced with newer conductors and magnets replaced on the rail coaches.

While the current Maglev rail system for commercial purpose is placed at 430 km/hour with electromagnets that ‘re-energises’ with the use of electric current, the normal Maglev rail system with ordinary magnets and no electricity can run upto a speed of 160km/hour. “The only time electricity is needed is during its propulsion, where the initial thrust has to be given to the train,” said the engineer.
source:http://www.deccanherald.com/content/45196/blore-choose-gen-next-rail.html

I have travelled in Maglev train when I was in Shanghai. It takes 7 minutes to travel 40 KM.
The fare when I travelled in 2007 was 300 INR one way ( converted to INR) and to-fro was 480 INR.

I also visited the maglev museum next to the starting station.
I saw that they use de accelerating glasses so when you see outside from the glass it will not look as if the train is running at a speed of 430 KM/hr.This is used to avoid the dizziness/headache/vomiting.

The train attains a maximum speed of 430 KM /hr only for 5 -6 seconds and then deaccelerates.

most of us have already managed this tech, really,
so you have no prize to go around.
sorry but for you own good

I am happy that I enjoyed the ride.That was my prize.
Nice to know that u managed this tech.Now, what prize are you expecting here ?


most of us have already managed this tech, really,
so you have no prize to go around.
sorry but for you own good

DECCAN HERALD

‘Gopinath’s exit won’t affect HSRL, project will go on’
Bangalore, Nov 9, DH News Service:

Will the axing of aviation entrepreneur Capt G R Gopinath as head of Vision Group on Infrastructure derail the Rs 5,767 project on High Speed Rail Link (HSRL) to the Bengaluru International Airport (BIA)?


The answer to this is no, according to sources in the Infrastructure Development Department (IDD). Capt Gopinath has been replaced by the Principal Secretary to the IDD V Madhu, who had held the post of vice-chairman of the group, till now.

It may be recalled that some members of the Agenda for Bengaluru Infrastructure Development (ABIDe) had expressed reservations about the project, due to its cost, despite it being implemented on a PPP-BOT basis. Instead, some members from ABIDe, who were keen to have the Bangalore Metro alignment to be extended to the BIA, expressed reservations over the project, which ultimately led to the removal of Capt Gopinath.

‘No regrets’

Standing by his decision to support a HSRL connectivity to BIA in the interest of the City, Capt Gopinath told Deccan Herald that he had no regrets. “It is really unfortunate, if the project is stalled at this stage. The vision group on infrastructure has not overruled the decision of ABIDe on the HSRL project at any given time. As chairman of the group, I had only expressed my keenness to have key infrastructure projects expedited and called for transparency in award of contracts, including the HSRL connectivity. I had, as a matter of fact, never met Rajeev Chandrashekhar on this issue. There was no difference of opinion at a personal level,” he said.

Capt Gopinath added that private participation in infrastructure is needed as people are ready to invest in infrastructure and power sectors.

However, sources said that the ouster of the aviation entrepreneur, could have actually stemmed from the ongoing political crisis in the State BJP. “There seems to be a tussle between the Yeddyurappa and Ananth Kumar camps in ABIDe too. This has take an ugly turn in the form of this decision,” sources added.

Taking a different view, Prof M N Sreehari said the government could even now consider an alternative to the HSRL such as extending the Namma Metro corridor or extend the South Western Railway link via Yeshwantpur and Yelahanka or implement a mono rail at a cost of Rs 1,500 crore.

Meanwhile, the Bangalore Metro Rail Corporation Limited (BMRCL) that was asked by the government to do a feasibility study on extension of the present alignment to the BIA has already prepared a draft report done by RITES. The cost as per this study would work out at approximately Rs 600 crore/km.

Cabinet Okays Project; Will Provide Employment To 40 Lakh Persons
TIMES NEWS NETWORK

Bangalore: The cabinet on Thursday gave its nod to establish the Information Technology Investment Region (ITIR) near the Bengaluru International Airport.
The Centre has sought 10,000 acres of land for the project, which would provide direct employment to 12 lakh persons and indirect employment to 28 lakh persons.
Law and parliamentary affairs minister S Suresh Kumar said the state will negotiate with the Centre on land allocation.
The entire project will be divided into two phases. In the first, expected to be complete in five years, 20% of the total area will be developed. The rest will be developed in the second phase over 15 to 20 years.
If implemented, the ITIR is expected to attract Rs 1 lakh crore in investment in the coming years. The techno economic pre-feasibility survey of the ITIR is being done by the government. The region would be developed as an integrated township through public private partnership. The township will have residential areas, schools and other public utilities, and will include environmental protection mechanisms.

Two thirds of people going to airport come from Yeshwantpur, Yelahanka

BMRCL mulls over Metro connectivity to BIA

Bangalore, Jan 30, DHNS:
The Bangalore Metro Rail Corporation Limited (BMRCL) is mulling over a proposal to establish Metro connectivity from Yeshwantpur to Bengaluru International Airport.

At an interactive meet organised by the Bangalore Chamber of Commerce and Industry (BCIC) on Thursday, BMRCL MD N Sivasailam said the proposal was being considered after a survey conducted by Rail India Technical and Economic Services (RITES), indicated that two thirds of the people going to the airport were coming from the Yeshwantpur-Yelahanka areas.

The proposed area would cover stations beginning from Yeshwantpur and head towards the railway line and then go underground all the way to Mathikere with an exit at BEL. Thereafter it would take a left turn towards Yelahanka and another stretch of underground on the right to Kannur. From there, it would be elevated all the way to the airport.

Four stops planned

A total of four stops were planned at the airport including one for existing terminal and one for the proposed terminal. The entire stretch would be 33 km in length and the cost estimated for this project is Rs 7,500 crore.

Sivasailam said they would advise the Government to allow this stretch to proceed on a Public Private Participation (PPP) model, where the concrete structures would be owned by the Government, while the rolling stock would be owned by the private operators.

First station

Meanwhile, Swastik near Majestic will be the first station to be constructed on a PPP model with Mantri Developers. The station, which split the surrounding Mantri property in two, will now be developed by Mantri and the BMRCL has entered into a revenue sharing agreement with them.

Sivasailam also spoke about the BMRCL’s plans to plant saplings in a catchment area owned by the BWSSB near Tippagondanahalli reservoir. He said they faced difficulties planting saplings in other areas and as a result had chosen this area to develop green space. The area which measures 350 acres would be bigger than Lalbagh or Cubbon park when developed, he said.

7500cr for metro is waste of public money instead hsrl is worth investing (just 1500 cr investment from both state and central).We also need an amendment to existing town planning act by central government to implement Metro under ppp which would take lot of time (discussions and parliament) ,Believe since all the rfq with hsrl is done it's better to go ahead with the HSRL,instead build a rail link frm yeshwantpur to hebbal and byapannahalli to hebbal (even make this two high speed rail link corridors)

IMHO we should support building a normal railway line to BIAL that also serves office goers, shoppers and others enroute and beyond. This is because the area almost upto BIAL from city side and the area beyond are growing, and are just part of the big city. Now there is this 10,000 acre IT park, even without this, there are apartments etc. coming up all over the place. It would be foolish to build a super expensive line that just serves the airport.

SIN is good model. Eventhough HK has hi speed line to CLK airport, it also has regular services to Tung Chung area which is next door. That's where regular apartments etc. are. I dont think we can afford both. Even BKK is building a line that would integrate with regular lines. The airport area there is too far and also hardly anyone lives there or around there. So it needs dedicated line. I think KL is same.
In Tokyo regular trains that stop at every stop and integrate very well into the local network also go to Narita. They have a high speed (which is actually quite low speed compared to Japans' bullet trains) Narita express line but that supplements the local services and is not the only one going that way.

Key is to keep fares low because in India competition from cheaper sources is already there and will continue. And they go from door to door. BTS buses, taxis etc.

as for low prices south western railways are building rail link till chikaballapur fare would rs10-30 to Bangalore city railways station (high speed is for class not for mass) airport traveler look @ class not mass transport ,Mumbai type city trains would also be on anvil sometime in 2011 which would be a mass transport ,let hsrl go through most of the evaluation of tenders are over work may be awarded any time soon

Jan. 21: The city’s 33-km, Rs 6,000 crore High Speed Rail Link (HSRL) just got bigger. Days ahead of going public with a short-list of the bidders for the HSRL, it’s been decided that the city’s most prestigious connection to Bengaluru International Airport will end not at Terminal 1 but at Terminal 2 of the airport, with plans to dedicate one for domestic use, and the other for international travel.

The project is going through an alignment change and the new design with the changed alignment will be in the public domain within a fortnight, sources in the Infrastructure Development Department (IDD) said. ``Our earlier plan was to build an underground connect to Terminal 1. Now that BIA is keen on expansion, we are re-aligning it to the new terminal,” he said, revealing that “BIA has planned a 90,000 sqft terminal building which will be ‘perpendicular’ to Bellary Road.’’

The IDD has gone back to the drawing board and is coordinating with the BIA on the changes. “Since we are providing two check-in counters, one at BRV Grounds on MG Road and the other at the Hebbal Transport hub, passengers can collect the boarding passes and enter the security check-in area. There is talk of dedicating Terminal 2 for domestic and Terminal 1 for International airline services. A skybridge will connect the two terminals,” he said.

The High Speed Rail will be an elevated route all along MG Road till the Trumpet Interchange and will go underground at the Highway-airport junction. The train will directly lead all the way to the Terminal 2 building.
source:http://www.deccanchronicle.com/bengaluru/train-bia-speed-terminal-2-685

RFQ for High Speed Rail Link to Bangalore International Airport

BARL wishes very a happy and successful NEW YEAR to all the participants / firms who participated in the RFQ for High Speed Rail Link between Bangalore City and Bangalore International Airport at Devanahalli.

BARL is pleased to announce the shortlisted firms / applicants for further participation in the bid process for the construction of High Speed Rail Link from Bangalore City to Bangalore International Airport, Devanahalli. The names of qualified firms / consortia are as below:



Sl. No. Name of Firms / Applicants shortlisted for further bid process

1
Pioneer Infratech Pvt. Ltd. & Siemens Project Ventures GmbH

2
Lanco Infratech Ltd. & OHL Concesiones S.L.

3
L&T Transco Ltd.

4
Reliance Infrastructure Ltd. & CSR Nanjing Puzhen Rolling Stock ltd .

5
ITD – ITD Cem Joint Venture

The government and BIAL have come to an agreement on the alignment of the proposed rail station at the airport

Niranjan Kaggere
Posted On Friday, January 22, 2010 at 07:44:42 AM

The uncertainty hanging over the ambitious high-speed rail link (HSRL) project connecting the city to the Devanahalli airport appears to have ended with the infrastructure department and Bangalore International Airport Ltd (BIAL) officials agreeing over a minor change in the alignment of the rail station at the airport.


Sources in the infrastructure department told Bangalore Mirror that BIAL had been asked to get back on the issue by Jan 11. The issue was whether to have the station parallel to the exit path beneath the bus station or to have it perpendicular to the exit road. The final decision was expected to suit both the existing building and the planned expansion of the airport, a senior department official said.

Another senior official of the department said, “They have acknowledged our suggestion to have the station perpendicular to the exit path at the upcoming second terminal building. Going by an earlier proposal, the station would have ended near the first terminal, leading to confusion for passengers entering the second terminal. As per the new decision, the station will come up on an area of 93,000 sq mt. Besides, passengers will have a superb view of the city both by day and at night.”

The sources said the HSRL
model had drawn on the Paris model. While passengers from Whitefield and Electronics City will be able to take the HSRL train via Metro Phase 2, those from the city centre, Jayanagar and JP Nagar will be able to take Metro Phase 1 and board the train to the airport at Minsk Square. Passengers from Bangalore South will be able to take the proposed Mono Rail and catch the airport train at the Hebbal junction, the officials said.

The infrastructure department, which has created a separate body, Bangalore Airport Rail Link (BARL) for the project, has shortlisted some companies after verifying their RFQs (request for quotation) submitted in November 2009. Now, with the issue of alignment of the airport station out of the way, the government is hopeful of completing the tender formalities by January-end.
source:http://www.bangaloremirror.com/article/10/201001222010012207444281223f594b6/BIA-rail-link-%E2%80%98hitch%E2%80%99-out-of-the-way.html

Implementation of the high-speed rail link from Bangalore city to the Devanahalli international airport has gathered momentum with the Karnataka Government fixing a time-frame to start the work latest by July this year.

As the $2-billion (Rs 9,270 crore) project will be taken up on a public-private partnership basis, the government has shortlisted five companies for final bidding.

The companies are: Reliance Infrastructure and CSR Nanjing Puzhen Rolling Stock Company of China, Larsen & Toubro and Transco Ltd, ITD-ITD Cementation joint venture (Italian-Thai Development Public Company and ITD Cementation India Limited), Pioneer Infratech and Siemens Project Ventures Gmbh, and Lanco Infratech and OHL Concesiones of Spain.

The Bangalore Airport Rail Link Limited, a special purpose vehicle formed by the Karnataka State Industrial Investment and Development Corporation to implement this project, has shortlisted these five companies for final bidding, sources in the Karnataka’s Infrastructure Development Department told Deccan Herald.

“As most of the hurdles have been cleared, the government is keen to push forward the project with the completion of the final bidding process by April and signing of MoU with the private company by May or June this year,” the sources added.

Distance
The airport line metro will be a 33.65-km rail link between Bangalore City Centre and Bangalore International Airport, with four elevated stations at M G Road, Hebbal, Yelahanka and the airport.

The project will be awarded to the winner on a design-build-finance-operate-and-transfer basis. The winner will be selected through an open bidding process and will operate it for 30 years.

Once the project is completed, it will take just 25 minutes to reach the airport, with a check-in facility at Police Grounds between M G Road and Cubbon Road, and at Hebbal, where Ring Road passes through.

According to the traffic forecast by Bangalore International Airport Limited, the air traffic will be 17.2 million passengers per annum by 2010-11 and about 40 per cent of them will be using the high speed rail.

The rail link project was first cleared by the Karnataka in December 2007 and again in February 2009 at the Belgaum session of the legislature.


SOURCE (http://www.deccanherald.com/content/50218/city-airport-rail-project-kick.html)

^^:cheers:

SOURCE (http://www.deccanherald.com/content/50218/city-airport-rail-project-kick.html)

it is 9000+ crore now? we started at 3800 and with every passing month, 1000 crore seems to be getting added.

in a few months we would know what part would have to be funded by government.

it would have been 5800cr only if ppl like mr shrehari had not asked govt not to hurry in on the project and some clowns also wanted metro @ 7000 cr (cost of each stretch) one frm byapannahali and other frm yeshwanthpur

New Delhi, Feb 4, DHNS:

The first two high-speed rail stations will have check-in facility while passengers with hand baggages will be allowed to board and alight at Yelahanka.

The main station – City Airport Terminal – which will come up at Police Parade Grounds on M G road, will have all modern facilities with 60 separate check-in counters each for domestic and international passengers.

This station will house facilities like airline ticketing offices, rail line offices, shopping arcade, restaurants, coffee shops and rest rooms.

A huge parking complex with space to park up to 1,800 cars under “park and fly” passengers facility will come up at the City Airport Terminal.

The fare for passengers travelling from M G Road to BIA will be Rs 200. It will cost Rs 150 for passengers who purchase tickets for travel from Hebbal to the airport. Monthly or quarterly season tickets will be priced at Rs 2,000 computed on the basis of Rs 50 per journey and forty trips per month.

The high-speed rail coaches will be vastly different from the Metro rakes. Apart from comfortable and spacious seats the coaches will have sufficient space for luggages. A television screen behind the seats will display train timings and other relevant information.
To ensure that train covers the distance between M G Road and BIA in 25 minutes, the track would be laid in such a fashion that they are able to withstand a maximum speed potential of 160 kms per hour with a maximum operational speed of 145 kms per hour.
source:http://www.deccanherald.com/content/50914/swanky-stations-dot-mg-road.html

I wish this project well, we need railway to BIAL as well as everywhere for that matter but the numbers dont add up. Simple excel calc will tell us.

Even if it costs Rs.ZERO (zilch, 0) to run the line, just Rs.10000 cr capital cost (which is bound to increase along the way), even if we forget repaying original capital, just to pay interest on capital at 7% would require 3 million rides A MONTH @ Rs.200 a pop. If you take even a generous estimate of 20m travelers a YEAR by that time, not all of whom will take train...you get the point..

The bidders have more sophisticated tools than Excel to do the numbers and no prices for guessing who is going to fund the difference...

it would have been 5800cr only if ppl like mr shrehari had not asked govt not to hurry in on the project and some clowns also wanted metro @ 7000 cr (cost of each stretch) one frm byapannahali and other frm yeshwanthpur

i think the only clowns are the ones wanting to implement this project. this project will not happen and the clowns very well would know it and taking infrastructure enthusiats for a ride.

every decent city in the world has high speed rail link frm city center and this wud definitely happen Let Those Anti socials and clowns who are against this project trying to save their property prices from falling try to stop this project from being implemented first they were against BIAL and wanted some Garbage Hal airport which was not fit for human usage

i think the only clowns are the ones wanting to implement this project. this project will not happen and the clowns very well would know it and taking infrastructure enthusiats for a ride.


Irritated?? :lol:

Oh, this project or something of this sort will happen. There are not that many gravy trains filled with Rs.10,000 crore of riches in this state. Every babu, neta and contractor will be licking his hands in anticipation. And now they have learnt how to tap the enthusiasm and interest of the urban elite crowd in a creative way for their own ends.

Guys, any comments on the bidders? Some names appear new?

The key issue of public interest is the 'viability gap' that gets identified, the terms offered to the successful bidders, and how the gap gets funded.

As economy grows and incomes rise, even the most extravagant infra projects that originally appear like white elephants eventually find crowds and income. And in hinsight, they appear to be good decision. Bangkok BTS is good example. Some become perpetual white elephants, but these generally happen in developed countries with stable population and growth rates. Even there they become less of white elephants - Taiwan HSR can be considered one.

Question is who pays for it in the meantime - the ones that asked for it hollering from rooftops or the ones that had no say in this matter at all - the poor villagers who are waiting for decent roads, drinking water and schools...again no prices for guessing, who it will be!

I would prefer Metro infra on this and have dedicated rail for this purpose every 15 min. they can have separate station for this to have check in.

But definatley not good to have dedicated line. metro which takes right turn at BIA and continues till Dodda ballapur will be good.

I would prefer Metro infra on this and have dedicated rail for this purpose every 15 min. they can have separate station for this to have check in.

But definatley not good to have dedicated line. metro which takes right turn at BIA and continues till Dodda ballapur will be good.

Anyways it is being executed on PPP Model so no need to worry about funds.

I will settle for no less than a HSRL-India's first HSRL in namma Bengaluru :cheers:

If PPP means the entire funding is done by private parties and not GOK/GOI there can be no argument against the project. Let them build TGV or Shinkansen or whatever no problems. If that means a ticket has to be priced at Rs.1,000 per ride to make money, so be it. We should not complain if alternatives exist.

The minute they come begging to state to fund it - that too when thousands of ordinary office and factory commuters traveling in that direction are deprived of using it because of cost or alignment - then the game is different.

The state can fund it if it is like DMRC - Mass transit the emphasis being on mass. Even then some may raise questions about priority but these can easily be dismissed as anti-development and rightly so.

Anyways it is being executed on PPP Model so no need to worry about funds.

I will settle for no less than a HSRL-India's first HSRL in namma Bengaluru :cheers:

Akash, While your intentions are noble, and I would love to also see such things here in India, what applies to individuals also applies to states - spend according to your means. That is sustainable in the long run. A poor sick man otherwise in rags wearing an Armani jacket only attracts ridicule not admiration.

We have time...it is on our side. The country is young, getting younger, growing 8-9% a year...a time for all great things will come surely while we are alive, :cheers: Let us take it step by step IMHO.

If PPP means the entire funding is done by private parties and not GOK/GOI there can be no argument against the project. Let them build TGV or Shinkansen or whatever no problems. If that means a ticket has to be priced at Rs.1,000 per ride to make money, so be it. We should not complain if alternatives exist.

The minute they come begging to state to fund it - that too when thousands of ordinary office and factory commuters traveling in that direction are deprived of using it because of cost or alignment - then the game is different.

The state can fund it if it is like DMRC - Mass transit the emphasis being on mass. Even then some may raise questions about priority but these can easily be dismissed as anti-development and rightly so.

You've made some excellent points on the viability of the HSRL. Hong Kong's Airport Express has one of the highest riderships and is still at about 30% of airport traffic. I am not sure how BARL assumes that 40% of BIAL users will take the HSRL to MG Road.

Even at 40% ridership of 17 million traffic that is 7 million passengers @Rs.150/ ticket is Rs. 105 crores. Assume this grows at 10% per year. After 7 years revenue will be Rs.200 crores. Will this even cover operating costs and maintenance of the tracks and rolling stock? There will be some revenues from advertising and rental (shops, etc in the City terminal). When the maths does not add up it starts smelling fishy.

A lot of people had gone gaga over Maytas' offer to Hyderabad to not only not take any VGF for the Metro but to pay an annuity to the govt. That ended rather badly and now Hyd has had to start from scratch.

The other point is that while the state may not put in a single paisa it does part with land - and land that could have been put to better public use. Case in point is our BETL. Now that median cannot be used for an MRTS that would have served the needs of more people more efficiently.

Srivathsa

why shud i be irritated HSRL is the need of the day with 10,000 acre ITIR ,DEVANAHALLI BUSINESS PARK(330 acre), BOEING AERO SPACE SEZ(990 acres), MANIPAL UNIVERSITY(200 acre),LARGE TOWNSHIPS LIKE OZONE URBANA(162 ACRES) ,PRESTIGE (300 ACRES ),BIAL SEZ, MANTRI'S JAKKUR TOWNSHIP ,WIPRO SEZ, TCS SEZ ,NANDAGUDI SEZ, DODBALLAPUR APPAREL PARK,RACE COURSE ,EVEN INFOSYS FUTURE CAMPASUS ARE PLANNED HERE ,KARLEY'S SEZ ,ETA STARS 300 ACRES TOWNSHIP, MANYATA TECH PARK, INDIA'S FIRST FOUR SEASONS,BHARATHIYA GROUP(125 ACRE),EMBASSY GROUP(300 ACRES),KIRLOSKAR BUSSINESS PARK,BIAL AND THE LIST GOES ON DEVANAHALLI WILL BE HOME TO INDIA'S SUPER RICH THAT'S WHY 27 FIRMS OF GLOBAL REPUTATION HAD PLACED BID FOR THE PROJECT EVEN CENTRAL GOVERNMENT GAVE VGF FOR THIS PROJECT NOW NO QUESTION OF GOING BACK WE HAVE CROSSED ALL BUREAUCRATIC HURDLES FROM 2008 ,NOW BANGALORE SHUD BE HOME TO INDIA'S FIRST HSRL WITH HYDERABAD VIOLENCE DEVANHALLI AND BANGALORE ARE THE BIGGEST GAINERS ,THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT RELIANCE,TATA ,L&T AND OTHERS WUD HAVE BID FOR THIS WITHOUT SHOWING ENOUGH LIQUIDITY ,IF THEY DON'T SHOW LIQUIDITY THEIR PROFILES WUD NEVER HAVE BEEN SHORTLISTED ,FORGET THESE THOSE WHO SUPPORT METRO HERE IS THE PROBLEM WITH METRO
1> METRO CANNOT BE IMPLEMENTED UNDER PPP ACCORDING TO TOWN PLANNING ACT OF INDIA
2> COST OF METRO IS 220 CR/KM
3> METRO TO BE IMPLEMENTED SHOLD BE FROM TWO ROUTES ONE FROM YESHWNATHPUR AND OTHER FROM BYAPANAHALLI WHICH WOULD ADD UP TP MORE THAN 14000 CR WHICH MORE THAN HSRL
4> FOR METRO TO BE IMPLEMENTED WE SHOULD START FRM DPR WHICH WOULD TAKE 2 YR TO BE READY AND REQUEST HAS TO BE SENT TO CENTRAL GOVERNMENT FOR APPROVAL AND KARNATAKA SHOULD APPROACH SOME BANK FOR LOAN
5>METRO NEEDS MORE SPACE
INSTEAD OF THIS WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS TWO MORE HIGH SPEED CORRIDORS
1> FROM BYAPANNAHLLI TO HEBBAL UNDER PPP
2> FROM YESHWANTHPUR TO HEBBAL UNDER PPP
WHICH WOULD TAKE GOVERNMENT (SATE+CENTRAL) TOTAL INVESTMENT NOT MORE THAN 3000-4000 CR

Avinash,i dint mean u....i meant the pessimist dis.agree................:cheers:

yes i was also referring to mr dis agree as name itself indicates dis agree he never agrees to stuff which are worthy of deserving price and always prices stuff which do not deserve credit

it is 9000+ crore now? we started at 3800 and with every passing month, 1000 crore seems to be getting added.

in a few months we would know what part would have to be funded by government.

If you cant take positive developments happening in Bangalore then better leave the place,anyways ur not spending money on the projects here,Chennai is a better place for you.

Live let live,Mr dis.agree or watever ur name is.We don't want cribbers like you here.


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why shud i be irritated HSRL is the need of the day with 10,000 acre ITIR ,DEVANAHALLI BUSINESS PARK(330 acre), BOEING AERO SPACE SEZ(990 acres), MANIPAL UNIVERSITY(200 acre),LARGE TOWNSHIPS LIKE OZONE URBANA(162 ACRES) ,PRESTIGE (300 ACRES ),BIAL SEZ, MANTRI'S JAKKUR TOWNSHIP ,WIPRO SEZ, TCS SEZ ,NANDAGUDI SEZ, DODBALLAPUR APPAREL PARK,RACE COURSE ,EVEN INFOSYS FUTURE CAMPASUS ARE PLANNED HERE ,KARLEY'S SEZ ,ETA STARS 300 ACRES TOWNSHIP, MANYATA TECH PARK, INDIA'S FIRST FOUR SEASONS,BHARATHIYA GROUP(125 ACRE),EMBASSY GROUP(300 ACRES),KIRLOSKAR BUSSINESS PARK,BIAL AND THE LIST GOES ON DEVANAHALLI WILL BE HOME TO INDIA'S SUPER RICH THAT'S WHY 27 FIRMS OF GLOBAL REPUTATION HAD PLACED BID FOR THE PROJECT EVEN CENTRAL GOVERNMENT GAVE VGF FOR THIS PROJECT NOW NO QUESTION OF GOING BACK WE HAVE CROSSED ALL BUREAUCRATIC HURDLES FROM 2008 ,NOW BANGALORE SHUD BE HOME TO INDIA'S FIRST HSRL WITH HYDERABAD VIOLENCE DEVANHALLI AND BANGALORE ARE THE BIGGEST GAINERS ,THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT RELIANCE,TATA ,L&T AND OTHERS WUD HAVE BID FOR THIS WITHOUT SHOWING ENOUGH LIQUIDITY ,IF THEY DON'T SHOW LIQUIDITY THEIR PROFILES WUD NEVER HAVE BEEN SHORTLISTED ,FORGET THESE THOSE WHO SUPPORT METRO HERE IS THE PROBLEM WITH METRO
1> METRO CANNOT BE IMPLEMENTED UNDER PPP ACCORDING TO TOWN PLANNING ACT OF INDIA
2> COST OF METRO IS 220 CR/KM
3> METRO TO BE IMPLEMENTED SHOLD BE FROM TWO ROUTES ONE FROM YESHWNATHPUR AND OTHER FROM BYAPANAHALLI WHICH WOULD ADD UP TP MORE THAN 14000 CR WHICH MORE THAN HSRL
4> FOR METRO TO BE IMPLEMENTED WE SHOULD START FRM DPR WHICH WOULD TAKE 2 YR TO BE READY AND REQUEST HAS TO BE SENT TO CENTRAL GOVERNMENT FOR APPROVAL AND KARNATAKA SHOULD APPROACH SOME BANK FOR LOAN
5>METRO NEEDS MORE SPACE
INSTEAD OF THIS WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS TWO MORE HIGH SPEED CORRIDORS
1> FROM BYAPANNAHLLI TO HEBBAL UNDER PPP
2> FROM YESHWANTHPUR TO HEBBAL UNDER PPP
WHICH WOULD TAKE GOVERNMENT (SATE+CENTRAL) TOTAL INVESTMENT NOT MORE THAN 3000-4000 CR

All this firm are there ok, But HSRL is only for airport and not to these companies. it is exclusively for Airport travelers. that is where i have problem. Instead of that they can have dedicated train may it be HSRL, same infra sould also include rail running cattering to all area of northen side of bangalore.

Sorry guys i have to say this, I couldn't control after reading some parts of the thread.:lol:

I support every city in India and want to give unbiased opinion.

This whole project looks like a scam. Similar to reddy brothers(tourisim minster) scam in mining. Unfortunately this reddy something is a tourism minsiter and controls the state government. This project looks very fishy.


One more question.
Why aren't Delhi and Mumbai with very large airports and passenger handling not having High speed Rail.??? Data has shown that very large cities only have high speed rails.

I won't post again on this thread

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airport_Express_(Delhi_Metro)?wasRedirected=true. ^^

Guys, both those for the project and those against the project, as educated, well traveled and intelligent citizens, you will be doing a great favor to Bangalore, Karnataka and India by demanding the following at the very minimum:

a) Complete transparency on bidding terms, concessions granted, especially RE concessions without having to chase up for months using RTI/PIL route that too after damage is done.
b) Publish all financial info as early as possible. Publish all expectations in terms of features, facilities in advance so that all bidders and public know about it.
c) Proper valuation of land handed over to project if any, and include that in financials.
d) NO change of terms favoring bidder after winner announced, unless other bidders are also given chance to re-submit their bids after working in the change
e) Choose promoters with track record and experience, not shady parties with Rs.2 share capital, newly promoted entities vague names and unknown origins and benami shareholders.
f) Hold public hearings often where all affected/interested can participate and record the proceedings.

Not that any one of us demanding will make any difference, but small drops lead to flood.

It is good to be passionate about good things happening to the city - but let us not get taken for grand ride by crooks misusing that passion.

Yajaman, re your comparison with HKG there are some key similarities and differences:

HKG has well defined CBD/commercial area which is primarily the norther strip of the HK island and southern part of Kowloon both of which are quite far from airport and most begin their journey there. Hardly anyone gets into / out of train at Tsing Yi. Bangalore is different - with so many developments happening north of BIAL, plus so many different CBDs and software areas, host of residential layouts nearer to Yelhanka etc., travel pattern is more complex. Made even more complex because getting to Majestic area from anywhere will take ages with traffic.

Actually IMHO a Narita express type system might suit Bangalore better (with feeders from Yokohama, Shinjuku, Ikebukuro etc. which merge @ Tokyo station to proceed to Narita)...

Given high cost of taxis and clean and safe public transport, many well to do take it every day. Practically all foreigners take Airport express. Budget tourists take buses. In India, taking public transport on expense account is considered below dignity that too when company pays for taxi. The BTS Vajra service does attract some foreigners and box-wallas but these are mostly backpacker type or students. Most well heeled go by chauffeured cars which also take multiple passengers. It has been reported this BIAS service is a money loser even with fares as high as Rs.125-140 which is almost what KSRTC VOLVO charges for Mysore-Madikeri route of 140km!!.

MTR makes huge profits - more than 60% from RE activities, rentals at stations. That too their exisiting subway network, very old and depreciated with capital grants, is profitable. The AE line is part of overall MTR system benefits from all this. It is not a standalone entity.

Of course, HKG has per capital incomes well over USD25000 and the fare is still only HK$100 or US$12 or so, cheaper if you buy return. Even then it had to offer discount of almost 50% during economic slump times (2003 etc).

As I mentioned earlier, even by train, AE is not monopoly. You can take Tung Chung line to a place quite close to airport and transfer by bus to save money. That line is quite fast too.

It seems the die is cast, so let us try and speak out to ensure some level of transparency and integrity in the process..

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airport_Express_(Delhi_Metro)?wasRedirected=true. ^^

Thank you. I didn't know.

Delhi deserves this.

I just don't understand some people. When the airport opened many were cribbing about the distance from the city center , after that they could not digest the size and thought it was already overcrowded (which it was not) , then came the aerobridges , proposed expansion plans and what not.

And now when one of these defects is going to be rectified (distance) via HSRL , it's still pinching the people no end.

I ask , how the hell does it matter to you what the project costs and wether it's profitable or not , it's not like there's even the tax payers money involved , leave alone those armchair analysts happily squatting outsdie India and blabbering thier good for nothing "opinions".

From a public perspective all that matters is the HRSL is 1st grade and efficiant system which does what it is designed to do.

Dissent is fashionable :) ...^^ Other than the viabilty gap funding there really is nothing the taxpayer is going to be burdened with. I'm not sure people understand that very basic concept.

Dissent is fashionable :) ...^^ Other than the viabilty gap funding there really is nothing the taxpayer is going to be burdened with. I'm not sure people understand that very basic concept.

Yes..absolutely right...Other than the viabilty gap funding there really is nothing the taxpayer is going to be burdened with....and that is only rumoured to be Rs.3-4000 crore...perhaps end up twice that when it is all done with ...nothing really...too small to be bothered with.

Moreover, we are only paying 35% IT, another 30% on Excise and ST, running 10% budget deficit and live in a state that has no electricity, roads or proper schools in most parts...its okay...no problem, they are used to it...

I ask , how the hell does it matter to you what the project costs and wether it's profitable or not , it's not like there's even the tax payers money involved ,

I suppose you are planning to write a cheque for the VGF and the cost of land?

From a public perspective all that matters is the HRSL is 1st grade and efficiant system which does what it is designed to do.

..ahem..wouldn't it be a better idea to wait for it to be operational before dishing out certificates of good conduct and efficiency..just a small suggestion..

BANGALORE PAYS HIGHEST TAX IN INDIA AFTER MUMBAI IF MUMBAI GOT SEA LINK SHOULD WE GET @ LEAST HIGH SPEED RAIL LINK DON'T COMPARE REST OF KARNATKA WITH BANGALORE EVERY STATE HAS POVERTY IF WE KEEP SHOWING THAT NO INVESTOR COMES FORWARD TO INVEST

BANGALORE PAYS HIGHEST INCOME Taxes IN INDIA AFTER MUMBAI IF MUMBAI can get SEA LINK at least Shouldn't WE GET HIGH SPEED RAIL LINK DON'T COMPARE REST OF KARNATKA WITH BANGALORE EVERY STATE HAS POVERTY IF WE KEEP SHOWING THAT NO INVESTOR COMES FORWARD TO INVEST

Avinash, I think I see where you are coming from..trying to retain some of the Bangalore tax to fund Bang. infra. Not a bad idea at all. As long as VGF is reasonable and fixed I have no issues provided selection is transparent.

But let us also remember the story of Dubai, Greece etc., it is NOT impossible for countries to go bankrupt on reckless spending, for savings to be wiped out, for currencies to be not worth the paper it is printed on and for social riots and other problems to break out if investment in hundreds of thousands of crores get pumped into 50sqkm of a state that is otherwise a ocean of poverty...there are 12 hour power cuts outside Bangalore practically year round..I am running on inverter as I type this.

Anyway, let this project go ahead let us play our roles as good citizens by keeping tab on negative trends such as corruption, lack of transparency etc.

Investors will get a lot more positive impression about Bangalore if they dont pay US$300 for hotel rooms, if land is not costlier than anywhere in SE Asia, if death of some movie actor brings the whole city to standstill or if Cauvery dispute, language riots and other issues create periodic chaos and so on...they are not asking for bullet trains.

But let us also remember the story of Dubai, Greece etc., it is NOT impossible for countries to go bankrupt on reckless spending,

I agree with the fiscal prudence part but the rest of it is hyperbole. I dont believe HSRL will lead to total ruin of the state economy, or any such extreme hypothesis. This fear mongering is uncalled for.

Is it a luxury that we can live without, Yes. Is it something we cannot afford considering the state of our economy, No, Our economy has never been stronger and you wont get a better time for financing and building infrastructure. Over the long term is it a capital investment that will generate more returns, Absolutely, with metro & HSRL the CBD will turn from a shanty town it currently is, to a higher density real downtown. The airline industry is going to be the real beneficiary which is in doldrums with such low overall traffic to support such high cost industry. This is also a differentiator for BLR as there is stiff competition from CHN & HYD airports and IR cannibalising the traffic already.

I would love to see more passenger railway investment to increase the BIA catchment area. The HSRL should be extendable on both ends at some point in the future to make this capital investment pay off in the long run.

This fear mongering is uncalled for.

Fear mongering...no. Why do these riots happen, why do people waste time stoning buses and burning them at the beck and call of goondas, vedikes and small time netas and movie stars? Because they have nothing to lose. Because they see all this growth meaning zilch to them. So by destroying it they lose nothing themselves.

All these jingos that want all these advanced stuff, are they ready to pay for it, if it is priced @ market and not subsidised by the state & taxpayer? They can make a start by patronising BIAS buses and not private taxis or personal cars...as I said these are running @ loss as of date.

I agree this one project will not kill the state or its finances, but who knows when they put us on a slippery slope and which straw broke the donkey's back?

Well, as I said the die is cast. Let us watch the developments..we are just arguing over something that has already been signed sealed and delivered...just dont know who to and for what..

I would love to see more passenger railway investment to increase the BIA catchment area. The HSRL should be extendable on both ends at some point in the future to make this capital investment pay off in the long run.

Totally agree..it is the point-to-point ultra-luxury that rankles...as you ride the BIAS/taxi have you seen overcrowded buses heading in same direction, jammed with people like sardines? Dont they need relief too?

BANGALORE PAYS HIGHEST TAX IN INDIA AFTER MUMBAI IF MUMBAI GOT SEA LINK SHOULD WE GET @ LEAST HIGH SPEED RAIL LINK DON'T COMPARE REST OF KARNATKA WITH BANGALORE EVERY STATE HAS POVERTY IF WE KEEP SHOWING THAT NO INVESTOR COMES FORWARD TO INVEST

BWSL was funded by centre and partly by the GOM,Unlike HSRL which is a PPP.

So lets not waste our energy talking about scams and some useless pointless discussion on Tax payers money being used.

Bangalore is south India's capital it desrves wat Delhi,Mumbai deserved.:banana:

Sorry guys i have to say this, I couldn't control after reading some parts of the thread.:lol:

I support every city in India and want to give unbiased opinion.

This whole project looks like a scam. Similar to reddy brothers(tourisim minster) scam in mining. Unfortunately this reddy something is a tourism minsiter and controls the state government. This project looks very fishy.


Go do some sort of investigation and save bangalore and tax payers money,instead of whining and polluting this thread, you stink btw.

One more question.
Why aren't Delhi and Mumbai with very large airports and passenger handling not having High speed Rail.??? Data has shown that very large cities only have high speed rails.


Large cities??? After Delhi,Mumbai and kolkatta it is Bangalore go brush up ur Knowledge.

I won't post again on this thread

You better not.

:bash:

INVESTORS ARE JITTERY ABOUT HYDERABAD .KOCHI,BANGALORE AND CHENNAI IN RACE TO CASH IN ON THE SORRY STATE OF AFFAIRS IN ANDHRA PRADESH. KARNATKA GOVERNMENT IS PLAYING SMART BY ACTING INVESTMENT FRIENDLY
ANYONE WHO SAW THE DPR WOULD NOT TALK LIKE CHENNAI MANI THE PROJECT IS ON SWISS MODEL ACCORDING TO WHICH IF THE INVESTOR WHO WINS THE BID GOES BANKRUPT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT HE CAN ROPE IN OTHER INVESTORS OR SECOND BIDDER DURING SELECTION PROCESS WOULD TAKE OVER IF BOTH DOES NOT HAPPEN FRESH GLOBAL TENDERS WOULD BE FLOATED SO WHERE IS THE QUESTION OF FRAUD HE HAS TO SHOW ENOUGH LIQUIDITY TO WIN THE BID IN THE FIRST PLACE

Avinash, I think I see where you are coming from..trying to retain some of the Bangalore tax to fund Bang. infra. Not a bad idea at all. As long as VGF is reasonable and fixed I have no issues provided selection is transparent.

But let us also remember the story of Dubai, Greece etc., it is NOT impossible for countries to go bankrupt on reckless spending, for savings to be wiped out, for currencies to be not worth the paper it is printed on and for social riots and other problems to break out if investment in hundreds of thousands of crores get pumped into 50sqkm of a state that is otherwise a ocean of poverty...there are 12 hour power cuts outside Bangalore practically year round..I am running on inverter as I type this.

Anyway, let this project go ahead let us play our roles as good citizens by keeping tab on negative trends such as corruption, lack of transparency etc.

Investors will get a lot more positive impression about Bangalore if they dont pay US$300 for hotel rooms, if land is not costlier than anywhere in SE Asia, if death of some movie actor brings the whole city to standstill or if Cauvery dispute, language riots and other issues create periodic chaos and so on...they are not asking for bullet trains.

WELL VGF IS 1000 CR THAT'S IT REST 8500CR FRM PRIVATE BIDDER AND BTW IF IT WAS NOT TRANSPARENT THERE WUD HAVE NOT BEEN RFQ AND OTHER PROCEDURES FOLLOWED IN GLOBAL TENDERING PROCESS

is any private bidder ready for this project?

yes 27 had applied among them 5 have been short listed they are
*Pioneer Infratech Pvt. Ltd. & Siemens Project Ventures GmbH
*Lanco Infratech Ltd. & OHL Concesiones S.L.
*L&T Transco Ltd.
*Reliance Infrastructure Ltd. & CSR Nanjing Puzhen Rolling Stock ltd .
*ITD – ITD Cem Joint Venture

yes 27 had applied among them 5 have been short listed they are
*Pioneer Infratech Pvt. Ltd. & Siemens Project Ventures GmbH
*Lanco Infratech Ltd. & OHL Concesiones S.L.
*L&T Transco Ltd.
*Reliance Infrastructure Ltd. & CSR Nanjing Puzhen Rolling Stock ltd .
*ITD – ITD Cem Joint Venture

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thats great. Which means this project is financially viable.

this may also sound like a dumb idea

but why not extend the high speed rail link to Electronics city.

surely it will be used by non airport commuters as well increasing revenue and efficiency

only 18km needed to build it.

well e city to devanahalli? it's about 70 kms anyways in future metro may connect e city and mg road.anyways a dpr can be done and global tenders may be floated from mg road to e city anyways no harm in trying,It can also be devloped on ppp model if investors show interest then why not

WELL VGF IS 1000 CR THAT'S IT REST 8500CR FRM PRIVATE BIDDER AND BTW IF IT WAS NOT TRANSPARENT THERE WUD HAVE NOT BEEN RFQ AND OTHER PROCEDURES FOLLOWED IN GLOBAL TENDERING PROCESS

Thanks for clarifying. If as you say VGF is only Rs1,000 cr I guess there is not much reason to object. That is a fairly small sum considering the total investment of Rs.9k crore.

I find it surprising though that the VGF has been finalised even before we know who the bidder is, how much they bid for etc. Let us watch the space..

Will it be built in such a way that extensions can be made later on ?

extention form bial to chikkaballapur or from mg road to other parts?

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/50218/city-airport-rail-project-kick.html

This report from DH of 8th Feb has interesting figures -

BIAL says its airport will have 17.2m passengers from 2010-11.


We are told elsewhere they will expand T1 to 15m sometime when the cows come home, as plans are still being made, from the current 10m.

We are in 2010. So are they saying right from this year the terminal is under-capacity by almost 50% and will continue to be short capacity until T2 is built when even more cows come home, or are they just giving any figure that comes to their mind and suits their convenience, or is it a typo error by DH journalists. Wonder which one is correct..

I hope the rest of the numbers that are floating around in this thread and elsewhere have a more solid footing. :ohno: and not resemble Satyam books.

An IT park will soon come up on 10,000 acres near the BIAL ,so electronic city would then lose its sheen.So there is actually no need to have a dedicated HSRL from devanahalli to electronic city I guess the distance is around 68 KM.
So HSRL would play a significant role to cater to the needs of Industrial parks along BIAL and ofcourse the bidders know this.:banana:

Ecity park developed by government was about 400 acres anyways the park at devanahalli would be Asia's first multi Purpose park and biggest in Asia spread across 10,000 providing employment to about 40 lack this apart from 990 acre boeing aero space SEZ, 330 acres business park and 275 acre bial multi product SEZ

Akash, are u suggesting HSRL will be a commuter line for these IT park folks?

Akash, are u suggesting HSRL will be a commuter line for these IT park folks?

May be just one stop in between??? :)

May be just one stop in between??? :)

I would be very happy to see that but @ Rs.200 a pop, Rs.400 return that seems a bit on the higher side doesn't it?

i would suggest operating buses (volvo's) to nearest hsrl station there by enabling these employees and ppl near by to catch a train to Mg road .Instead of increasing the number of stops if number of stops are increased travel time is bound to increase then wud be right to call it high speed rail it would be
hogobarokade stop train.there are monthly passes which would make sure 2 journey per day cost rs 50
(well i am assuming number of journeys /day is 2 u can travel any number of times)

Ecity park developed by government was about 400 acres anyways the park at devanahalli would be Asia's first multi Purpose park and biggest in Asia spread across 10,000 providing employment to about 40 lack this apart from 990 acre boeing aero space SEZ, 330 acres business park and 275 acre bial multi product SEZ

I bet that there will be a whole new city coming up in the void between Bial and the flyover.:)

You can see ultra modern buildings and the whole new city would ofcourse be self sufficient ultimately decongesting namma Bengaluru:happy:,That is wat I want.

^^ and push up the value of apt I booked around there...:banana: I should actually be quite happy..

that's what everybody wants New Bangalore to decongest old and traditional Bangalore yes large townships are planned b/w bial and hebbal min size is 150 acres u wud see all action in next 3-6 months

where did u book ur apartment chennaimani?

I would be very happy to see that but @ Rs.200 a pop, Rs.400 return that seems a bit on the higher side doesn't it?

Fixing the rate now is pretty naive,let the project breath to its capacity.

Also as I mentioned hell number of enclaves are proposed in the devanahalli area so that means new city is sure to happen so the residents of new city can use the HSRL to commute to the Bengalauru central.

I don't think IT folks think much about spending these days.If they can spend some 200 rs on junk food in some branded outlet everyday why not for hassle free commuting??

^^ and push up the value of apt I booked around there...:banana: I should actually be quite happy..

which area :? I still see vast land near the airport empty and most of the lands are held by strong/powerful/influential people I don't want to name them here.

which area :? I still see vast land near the airport empty and most of the lands are held by strong/powerful/influential people I don't want to name them here.

Around there is a loose term..actually I have not seen the site myself yet. Just paid advance..Provident's Welworth. Supposedly 10 min away from BIAL.

welworth is a good buy however welworth if far frm nh-7 so not too close to hsrl welworth has a mall measuring 0.2 million sqft and is close to apparel park

ok ok

if a lot of people use the high speed link then why cant the prices be less than Rs200 a ride? More people use = less ticket per person.

IMO eventually maybe 20 years down the line there maybe a case of extending this line to Honsur to the airport (about 70km) with a frequency of maybe 5 min.

more everyday use for the line.

ok ok

if a lot of people use the high speed link then why cant the prices be less than Rs200 a ride? More people use = less ticket per person.

IMO eventually maybe 20 years down the line there maybe a case of extending this line to Honsur to the airport (about 70km) with a frequency of maybe 5 min.

more everyday use for the line.

exactly

As posted by Avinash, if it stops everywhere and becomes a commuter line, it cannot be HS. If it is HS, fares cannot be something commuters can afford daily, unless subsidised. If you tell the operator that they have to sell tickets for Rs.50 or so, CFO will have heart attack...

Except in very high per-capita income countries, even there highly doubtful.

I did use for a while the Shinkansen as a commuter line to go to Hamamatsu every day instead of staying there, but then we were on MNC expense and my impression was that not many use it daily even in Japan. For India to be there will take a long long time, much longer than the 30yr concession.

Even technically I dont know if the same rolling stock can be used for both - you dont travel standing in a HS coach and so on...I guess BLR it can because they are talking about 140km speed, not 200+ which is what HS really should be.

As posted by Avinash, if it stops everywhere and becomes a commuter line, it cannot be HS. If it is HS, fares cannot be something commuters can afford daily, unless subsidised. If you tell the operator that they have to sell tickets for Rs.50 or so, CFO will have heart attack...

Except in very high per-capita income countries, even there highly doubtful.

I did use for a while the Shinkansen as a commuter line to go to Hamamatsu every day instead of staying there, but then we were on MNC expense and my impression was that not many use it daily even in Japan. For India to be there will take a long long time, much longer than the 30yr concession.

Even technically I dont know if the same rolling stock can be used for both - I guess it can because they are talking about 140km speed, not 200+ which is what HS really should be.

to be fairly honest with you

This is not exactly a high speed line in nature. the articles i read in this thread show that it will cover 33 km in 25 min

giving it a speed of 33/(25/60) = 80 km per hour. By most definitions that is not a high speed rail link. In India its high speed, but in most foreign countries they will laugh at you if you claim that its high speed. high speed in the world means more than 200 km per hour operational speed.

You can have a line whereby it stops at 6-7 places on the line and runs at 65-70km per hour

The kalyan -cst mumbai suberban fast train runs at about 60km per hour and makes 7 stops.

This train can certain stop at 10 km intervals at 65-70km per hour from airport to Hosur.

MY DEAR FRZ ITS 20 MINS TRAVEL TIME+ 5 MIN STOPPAGE TIME @ STATIONS @ HEEBAL AND YELAHNKA

MY DEAR FRZ ITS 20 MINS TRAVEL TIME+ 5 MIN STOPPAGE TIME @ STATIONS @ HEEBAL AND YELAHNKA

even if its 20min

33/ (20/60) = 100 km per hour

still not high speed by international standard.

No train in india is high speed by international standards.


Plus 33 in 25 min with 3 stops

so about 70 km to hosur in about 1 hour with 6 stops.

certainly something to expand to imo. It will provide a great backbone for Bangalore and will expand the citiy manifold reducing the need to commute into the city.

can also potentially extend it from Mysore- Hosur- Mg Road -Airport

with a few other stops on the way

We are breaking hearts with some inconvenient truths :-)

It is definitely not a HS line in the sense of the term used for TGV, Shinkansen etc. It is about the same peak speed as faster IR trains. The way the lines are constructed, the rolling stock, signalling systems, track itself, the type of companies that build it are totally different for true HS. I doubt L&T or Tata or Reliance can do it as they have never done it AFAIK.

I dont blame the authorities, they have to package and spin it as HS to justify the current fares quoted and they need such fares to attract private players to quote. Or else people will expect fares to be like DMRC/Kolkata Metro, not Rs.200.

A small lie told to benefit a large project is not a sin (like in marriages as the saying goes)...but even with these numbers if I were the CFO of the bidder I will have to get my Board high on crack before presenting viability numbers...which again leads me to believe that we only have partial info, not the full story as there is some juicy bits somewhere that is attracting the bidders.

All said and done, if the VGF is around Rs.1k crore and private parties, whether high on crack or with eyes wide open, are funding the rest, let us give a s.t about financing and enjoy the ride...

can also potentially extend it from Mysore- Hosur- Mg Road -Airport

with a few other stops on the way

Yes Idontspam a forumer here had suggested this,I too feel its viable.

Mysore atleast will develop,Oh k wats the time ??? oh !! its 9:00 pm Sitting here in Chennai I can hear Namma Mysore snoring loud...................:lol:

Having said that even airport express of HK covers the same distance in about 23 min..with 2 stops Kowloon and TsingYi. So it is also not Shinkanesen...Narita express too is not by Japanese standards, so Bangalore is not being shortchanged in that respect.

We are breaking hearts with some inconvenient truths :-)

It is definitely not a HS line in the sense of the term used for TGV, AE of HKG, Shinkansen etc. It is about the same peak speed as faster IR trains. The way the lines are constructed, the rolling stock, signalling systems, track itself, the type of companies that build it are totally different for true HS. I doubt L&T or Tata or Reliance can do it as they have never done it AFAIK.

I dont blame the authorities, they have to package and spin it as HS to justify the current fares quoted and they need such fares to attract private players to quote. Or else people will expect fares to be like DMRC/Kolkata Metro, not Rs.200.

A small lie told to benefit a large project is not a sin (like in marriages as the saying goes)...but even with these numbers if I were the CFO of the bidder I will have to get my Board high on crack before presenting viability numbers...which again leads me to believe that we only have partial info, not the full story as there is some juicy bits somewhere that is attracting the bidders.

All said and done, if the VGF is around Rs.1k crore and private parties, whether high on crack or with eyes wide open, are funding the rest, let us give a s.t about financing and enjoy the ride...

personally i think whats the use of 300 km per hour line like the maglev line in shanghai. You save what about 15 min?

so much spending for only 15min net saving in time seems a waste of money

Bangalore has gone for the perfect speed which can be extended to make this line the backbone of the city. Just extend the line and make it an everyday use line. I dont see how it can only be an airport line

^^ agree...I think my post crossed yours..

Yes Idontspam a forumer here had suggested this,I too feel its viable.

Mysore atleast will develop,Oh k wats the time ??? oh !! its 9:00 pm Sitting here in Chennai I can hear Namma Mysore snoring loud...................:lol:

hmm biggest problem for that is land acquisition.

and also trains do travels on tracks on IR in the same amount of time (about 3 hours)

http://indiarailinfo.com/search/1430/136

maybe you can use the same IR tracks and have a dedicated train every 10 min running directly between Mysore and Bangalore.

Indian railway rakes can withstand speeds of 80km per hour without any change the the tracks.

will be much cheaper. Just like the mysore chennai shatabdi, have 10 train sets which can do the job. giving high frequency

With double track, electrification and some upgrading of signalling even on current rolling stock and technology, IR can run Mys-BIAL trains to get there in about 1.5hrs that is more than enough. They should do that IMHO.

With double track, electrification and some upgrading of signalling even on current rolling stock and technology, IR can run Mys-BIAL trains to get there in about 1.5hrs that is more than enough. They should do that IMHO.

they should do a lot of obvious things like having

pune- mumbai line

mysore bang line

bhopal indore

the three punjab cities of amritsar ludhiana and chandigragh

the list is endless...


but its Indian railways. thats the issue.......obvious ideas are not implemented.

they should do a lot of obvious things like having

pune- mumbai line

mysore bang line

bhopal indore

the three punjab cities of amritsar ludhiana and chandigragh

the list is endless...


but its Indian railways. thats the issue.......obvious ideas are not implemented.

I would like to have Bangalore-Mangalore :happy:

Bangalore-Mysore has good connectivity,

State Highway-17,NICE(U/C),double Track+electrification(U/C),Mysore-Bangalore Air connectivity ??

I would like to have Bangalore-Mangalore :happy:

Bangalore-Mysore has good connectivity,

State Highway-17,NICE(U/C),double Track+electrification(U/C),Mysore-Bangalore Air connectivity ??

well if you can run trains between Bangalore and mysore in 1.5 hours

then there is a good chance it will become a megapolis.

Even with low speed BIAL and Delhi etc., is lucky. We can consider ourselves lucky.

Many other intl airports never had rail connectivity until much later in the country's economic progress when per-capital income rose to several times India's numbers.

Seoul's Kimpo never had one, even the new one does not have yet to city, Taoyuan also dont have until now, same goes for Don Muang, Manila and many others...Japan had for long time but then Japan had rails going every nook and corner.

well if you can run trains between Bangalore and mysore in 1.5 hours

then there is a good chance it will become a megapolis.

I doubt that,coz we have the most fertile land between Mysore and Bangalore with KRS dam in Mandya district,development will obviously not happen.Nor do I want it to happen,Coz I don't want to end paying extra for vegetables.:ohno:

Mysore- Bangalore cannot be compared to Mumbai-Pune or Bhopal-Indore.:(

And take it I don't want to offend my bangalorean friends here but it is saying that
Mysoreans dont like bangalore and bangaloreans dont like mysore- it is eternal and reasons best known to each other.

Mysoreans consider Bangalore messy,and Bangaloreans consider Mysore a village :lol:

Just in a lighter vein.:cheers:

I doubt that,coz we have the most fertile land between Mysore and Bangalore with KRS dam in Mandya district,development will obviously not happen.Nor do I want it to happen,Coz I don't want to end paying extra for vegetables.:ohno:

Mysore- Bangalore cannot be compared to Mumbai-Pune or Bhopal-Indore.:(

And take it I don't want to offend my bangalorean friends here but it is saying that
Mysoreans dont like bangalore and bangaloreans dont like mysore- it is eternal and reasons best known to each other.

Mysoreans consider Bangalore messy,and Bangaloreans consider Mysore a village :lol:

Just in a lighter vein.:cheers:

well i dont know much about that so i wont comment.

though will add mumbai pune the land in between too is very very fertile and is the mango growing belt. However a megapolis is taking shape.

BANGALORE HAS CHOSEN THE RIGHT SPEED RANGE IT HAS TO BE ONE STEP @ A TIME METRO WITH OPERATIONAL SPEED OF @ 30 KM/HR AND WITH DESIGN SPEED OF 60KM/HR WHILE HSRL WITH OPERATING SPEED OF 145 KM/HR AND DESIGN SPEED OF 165 KM/HR AND REGARDING LAND ACQUISITION LANDS WERE NOTIFIED WAY BACK IN EARLY 2008 SO NO ISSUES WITH THAT EVEN COMPENSATION WAS GIVEN AMOUNTING TO 500 CR DEMOLITION MAY BEGIN SOON SO IT'S A NON ISSUE(LAND ACQUISITION)

Avinash avarae Bangalore avaru mysore na halli antha kariyalva?? :lol:

Good that land was acquired long time back,that is the reason for bidders to line up eagerly for the project.No land acquisition hassle :banana:

BANGALORE HAS CHOSEN THE RIGHT SPEED RANGE IT HAS TO BE ONE STEP @ A TIME METRO WITH OPERATIONAL SPEED OF @ 30 KM/HR AND WITH DESIGN SPEED OF 60KM/HR WHILE HSRL WITH OPERATING SPEED OF 145 KM/HR AND DESIGN SPEED OF 165 KM/HR AND REGARDING LAND ACQUISITION LANDS WERE NOTIFIED WAY BACK IN EARLY 2008 SO NO ISSUES WITH THAT EVEN COMPENSATION WAS GIVEN AMOUNTING TO 500 CR DEMOLITION MAY BEGIN SOON SO IT'S A NON ISSUE(LAND ACQUISITION)

calm down dude

we are all in agreement.

no need to shout.

BANGALORE HAS CHOSEN THE RIGHT SPEED RANGE IT HAS TO BE ONE STEP @ A TIME METRO WITH OPERATIONAL SPEED OF @ 30 KM/HR AND WITH DESIGN SPEED OF 60KM/HR WHILE HSRL WITH OPERATING SPEED OF 145 KM/HR AND DESIGN SPEED OF 165 KM/HR AND REGARDING LAND ACQUISITION LANDS WERE NOTIFIED WAY BACK IN EARLY 2008 SO NO ISSUES WITH THAT EVEN COMPENSATION WAS GIVEN AMOUNTING TO 500 CR DEMOLITION MAY BEGIN SOON SO IT'S A NON ISSUE(LAND ACQUISITION)

Avinash, my friend, could you please refrain from using BOLD fonts. I'm sure you can make your point just as forcefully without them :)

mr shanware what's ur take on HSRL waiting for ur stance on the project

Mysoreans consider Bangalore messy,and Bangaloreans consider Mysore a village :lol:



offtopic.

Some of the mysoreans consider Kannada as almost dying species in bangalore.But comparision wise i see that kannadiga areas of bangalore are less tolerant to other languages compared to mysore.

mr shanware what's ur take on HSRL waiting for ur stance on the project

Oh, I apologize if my stance wasn't apparent :) . I'm all for it as a BOT project. If it is feasible, financially viable, someone will bid for it and build it. This will also ensure that this project does not become a white elephant for the govt.

Karnataka puts Bangalore airport on fast track

Work on high-speed rail link to begin in July

Senthalir S. Bangalore

The project work on the much-hyped High-Speed Rail Link (HSRL) that would take you from MG Road to Bangaluru International Airport (BIA) in just 25 minutes will finally begin in July 2010.
V Madhu, principal secretary, infrastructure development department, said the bids will be finalised by June 2010. The companies shortlisted for the project are Tata, Larsen & Toubro (L&T), Lanco, ICM and Reliance.
"The Delhi Metro Rail Corporation Limited (DMRCL) submitted the revised Detailed Project Report (DPR) to the state government on Thursday," he said. Madhu revealed the HSRL details on the sidelines of a meeting with Union minister for road transport and highways Kamal Nath, organised by Bangalore Chamber of Industry and Commerce. Madhu said the project got delayed because of the delay in submitting the DPR.
The DPR was prepared in 2007, but required revision due to technical glitches pertaining to the Air Force station in Yelahanka, BIA terminal, and the series of magic box underpasses built along Bellary Road. The issue of HSRL criss-crossing the BIA terminal has been addressed in the revised version. Also, the earlier planned elevated HSRL near Yelahanka was seen to be posing a technical problem.
The Air Force station has heavy electronic equipment, which could have suffered electromagnetic disruptions due to the 25Kv power lines of the HSRL if the line was an elevated one.
"The changes have been incorporated in the revised DPR. Now the HSRL would go underground near Yelahanka, while it will be elevated to about 18 metres near the Hebbal flyover. However, the actual standard is 10 metres. The HSRL also has to negotiate around the magic box underpasses constructed along NH-7 (Bellary Road)," he said.

Sources : DNA :banana:

^^ Nice to see this project getting a push...although I was not entirely in favour of the high speed rail. It would have been a better bet on the metro itself, as in the case of Delhi.

Wonder if BIAL is a part of this project, in terms of planning. Where would the rail terminal at BIA be? Will it be below the proposed T2?

Taking into account the three months time required for the tender process upon the call for request for qualification (RFQ) and the issue of the work order, the project can be expected to start in July, Madhu said. Quoting DMRC chairperson E Sreedharan, he also said that the project could be operationalised in 32 months after the start of construction.
As per the revised estimate, the HSRL linking MG Road in the city and the BIA will cost Rs 6,000 crore; an earlier estimate had pegged it to be at Rs 5,767 crore.
T h e u n d e rground segment near the Yelahanka Airforce Station is one of the issues leading to the increase in project cost, Madhu said.
B e s i d e s t h e clash of the electrical systems of HSRL with the electronic systems at the Yelahanka Air Force Station, the magic box patches calls for an additional seven metres increase in height (the regular track runs 10 metres above the ground), Madhu explained and said that these issues had been sorted out in the revised DPR. The first DPR was prepared in 2007.
The pending finalisation of BIAL’s plans for its second terminal is also an issue that has been delaying HSRL, Madhu added.

RIDE, CHUG AND FLY
* DPR on the 22 km Express Link connecting Outer Ring Road and BIA to be ready in a month.
* HSRL to carry about one-fifth of the passenger traffic between the city and BIA. It will take you to the airport in 25 minutes but does not promise to ease congestion on road. The National Highways Authority of India has appealed for speeding up the 10-laning of the six-lane NH 7.
* An Airport City within the 10 km radius of BIA to be a subcity of Bangalore. Tourism park, an IT-BT SEZ, a 600-800 acre business centre related exclusively to airport operations and a 312-acre business park will be a part of it.
* 300 mld (million litres per day) is the estimate of water required at the Airport City. Supply by BWSSB alone won’t suffice and the watershed areas development department is already working on the details of rejuvenating and recharging the natural water bodies in the surrounding area.
* BIAL alone will come to employ one lakh people in the next 10 years. West of Chord limits and Hebbal are seen as the residential options for those who will be engaged in airport and airport city. Metro rail and mono rail are the connectivity options.

^^ It would have been a better bet on the metro itself, as in the case of Delhi.


It IS based on the Delhi example.

Govenment still not clear on HSRL looks like, read this artical published recently, Also my Question is already one track going to yalahanka, why we need HSRL.

Namma Metro likely to be extended to IT hub

Namma Metro likely to be extended to IT hub
BENGALURU


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We are trying to locate a route which connects all residential and work areas.

B.L. Yashvanth Chavan, BMRCL spokesperson

The Metro Rail project, popularly known as `Namma Metro,'is likely to be extended to the city's IT hub via Yelahanka.
A feasibility report on the extension of phase- 2 of Metro Rail to Electronic City is being carried out by BMRCL. Experts are making a detailed study to identify the most viable route to connect Electronic City to Yelahanka.

Union law minister M. Veerappa Moily and Bengaluru South MP Ananth Kumar had spoken about the extension at the recent inauguration of the Electronic City Expressway. Union Minister for road transport, Kamal Nath who was present, had promised to take up the issue at the Central level.

Speaking to Deccan Chronicle, BMRCL spokesperson B.L. Yashvanth Chavan said, "We will first find out if the extension is possible and practical. If the route works out, we will finalise the details. We are trying to locate a route which connects all residential and work areas."

Once the proposal is finalized, the major route in phase-2 will be between Peripheral Ring Road (Electronic City) and Yelahanka with a changeover at Namma Metro's MG Road station. This exclusive corridor will be 36 km long. The proposed corridor will cover Nagavara, Veerannapalya, Fraser Town and residential, commercial and IT industry areas along Hosur Road.

This corridor will have an interchange with the Metro connection to the airport to provide direct access for commuters from south and south-east Bengaluru to the airport. "The completion of the first phase will be followed by the second phase of the project in 2012. The extensions and new lines for the second phase are under review. There is also a proposal for constructing a new line connecting the airport if the hi-speed rail project for Bengaluru airport is not implemented," added the sources.

Minister for infrastructure and tourism MR G.Janardhana Reddy today in his interview to news-9 said work of high speed rail link will begin in july
1>it will be elevated stretch from mgroad to hebbal
2>it will be go underground from yelahanka to bia
3>hsrl station @ bial wud be between terminal 1 and proposed terminal 2
4>basement wud be hsrl station and above floors would have be multi level car park

E-CITY is not the focal point of Bangalore ppl from all parts have to get access to BIAL so mg road or majestic is the focal point keeping that in perspective the project is designed and implemented

By the way BMRCL is in no way concerned with HSRL it has SPV(special purpose vehicle) called BARL (Bangalore airport rail link pvt ltd) .even global tenders have been floated and are being evaluated by infrastructure dept.Sometime in april or march work would be awarded to one of five consortium's.The project even has got Central Government's Approval under variability Gap Funding (VGF)

1>it will be elevated stretch from mgroad to hebbal

It should go underground from BDA at least, else people will have an upset stomach at the high speed roller coaster down the windsor manor slope. This is nuts, if they can do underground at the airport end, why cant they do it on the city side? Are they trying to save the cost of a tail for the elephant?


2>it will be go underground from yelahanka to bia

Maybe only when it gets closer to the airport and not all the way from Yelahanka

The minister needs to get his hands on the plan and go through it. And when he does if he could kindly share it with the rest of us please.

After delhi it is Bangalore which is seeing unprecedented infra projects (mostly PPP unlike other Indian cities where they rely mostly on the centre).

NO doubt Karnataka leads in the implementation of PPP projects in the country.

This is nuts, if they can do underground at the airport end, why cant they do it on the city side?

That's a very good point. Usually railways go underground where land is costly or unavailable and where over the ground structures look ugly and block view. After they cross city, it makes sense to go overground all the way to airport or at least near perimeter. (At airport itself, it can go underground for convenience..)

Our genuises are doing it the other way around!

if he could kindly share it with the rest of us please.

Dont expect sudden change of methodology to one of transparency, sharing info and listening to feedback...

3>hsrl station @ bial wud be between terminal 1 and proposed terminal 2
4>basement wud be hsrl station and above floors would have be multi level car park



As I posted earlier, sharing of structure between two SPV's with govt. holdings and different concession terms would be legally complex, they would be arguing for next 15 years over something that elsewhere would get resolved in a phone call, so they are not building it under T2. This also makes sense since BIAL is going to have multiple terminals with T1, T2 and perhaps a T3 hopefully, plus from security standpoint it makes sense.

Hopefully there will be competition between these two SPVs for car park charges!

Anil Kumar M | TNN

Bangalore: Not just the government, even bankers are gearing up to ensure the forthcoming Global Investors’ Meet scheduled on be held on June 2 and 3 is a success.
Responding to the government’s initiative of establishing a global financial district near Bengaluru International Airport, where nearly 3,000 acres have been identified for industrial development, many banks have evinced interest to set up a unit there. They can set up corporate offices, data centres, etc, and all banking requirements of the industries will be cleared at the 150-acre hub.
The financial district is proposed to be a knowledge backbone. It’ll help investors with financial tie-ups. Aerospace, IT and electronic hardware are some sectors that will come up in the cluster. The objective is to make the place attractive for asset management and venture capital companies.
The project is expected to offer world-class infrastructure, including constructions that can withstand natural and other calamities, fiber optic connectivity, high bandwidth availability, high security, etc.
Expected to be ready in 18 months, the district will house corporate arms of leading banks, besides insurance and other financial services companies. It’ll also house offices of industry-related bodies like Karnataka Industrial Area Development Board and Karnataka State Finance Corporation.
Corporation Bank has already been allotted five acres. “An expression of interest has been called for the project. More than 45 top-level managers of leading banks supported the concept at a meeting recently. Oriental Bank of Commerce, Syndicate Bank, Canara Bank and SBI have evinced interest in setting up their units,” large and medium industries minister Murugesh R Nirani said.
WORKING GROUP SET UP
According to Nirani, a working group of financial experts is looking into the modalities of setting up the financial district. “We have written to bankers in this regard. G Ramanathan, general manager of Syndicate Bank and convener of State Level Bankers Committee, said it’s a good concept and much required for a city like Bangalore where large-scale investments are involved. “There has been good response. After the government wrote to us, we communicated with all banks and many are interested. Our bank has applied for space and there are enquiries from others too,” Ramanathan said.
FINANCE MATTERS
A financial district near BIA Nearly 3,000 acres identified for industrial development Many banks have evinced interest to set up a unit there They can set up corporate offices, data centres, etc All banking needs of the industries will be cleared at 150-acre hub
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I think the HSRL has got a recent push from the Karnataka Govt...so in all probabilities, it will go ahead.

The metro from Yelahanka to E-City are extensions of Phase1. They will provide interchange for HSRL at MG Road.

So, as of now it looks like metro to airport is ruled out. However, the metro, hsrl and mono (if it comes up) will all complement one another.

Metro+Mono+HSRL+BRTS+Vovlo/Marcopolo = Perfect Bangalore

:cheers:

@shanware: HSRL may be based on the airport link in Delhi, but I was trying to say that the Airport link should be the metro itself. HSRL connecting the airport is going to be more expensive to build, costlier for passengers and more time consuming.

Metro+Mono+HSRL+BRTS+Vovlo/Marcopolo = Perfect Bangalore

:cheers:



correctin

Metro+Mono+HSRL+BRTS+Vovlo/Marcopolo/SLF's+BIAL T2 = Perfect Bengaluru

:cheers:

HSRL may be based on the airport link in Delhi, but I was trying to say that the Airport link should be the metro itself. HSRL connecting the airport is going to be more expensive to build, costlier for passengers and more time consuming.

perhaps it would have been if the airport was closer to the Main city as it would have been better integrated with Rest of the network. This ones more of a stand alone.

My concept of HSRL :)

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4269/24887884.jpg

The HSRL would have 2 tracks (black line represents 2 tracks) with trains running in opposite direction.
Stations : Ulsoor, Domlur, Jayanagar/BTM, Banashakari/near Banashankari, Yashwantpur, Hebal.
Route : Underground in city & at airport, elevated everywhere else.

Advantages :
1. Commuters can take train in either direction to go to airport.
2. Maximum of 3 stations between any given station and airport (in proper direction).
3. Almost everyone in bangalore will have an HSRL stations within 5km of his/her house. Therefore more will use it. Right now HSRL is of little use to people living in S/SW/W bangalore.
4. There will be 2 stations at airport. One in front of T1 and the other in front of T2. So this could be also used by people to travel between T1 & T2.

Disadvantages:
1. Much more costlier than current HSRL plan.


Now if we could manage to get trains that run like the Bullet :cheers:

hmm dont think you will be able to run trains at 100km per hour with so many stops. Good idea though.

However personally with the metro running I would love to see it extended to Honsur via electronics city.

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2130/58940205.jpg

This is my proposal. About 70km of rail track from Bangalore Airport to Hosur.

Will link electronic city to the centre and the airport.

Trains running at operational speeds of about 80 kilometers per hour at frequency of 1 every 10 minutes

so commuters can use this as a everyday means of transport bringing down the per ticket costs.

It will augment the metro being developed in bangalore and also help to de congest the city.

BIAL Rail connectivity

The 45 kilometer long drive from M.G. Road to Bangalore International Airport Limited (BIAL) is perhaps inching towards being commissioned. The railway link from the BRV circle to Devanahalli which will take 23 minutes for commuters now shows all the signs of getting a nod from the government.

The high speed rail link to Devanahalli airport has contested by 6 different consortiums one Indian and five foreign will now await the clearance of contract for this 6000 crore work, according to the chairman of Karnataka State Industrial Investment Development Corporation (KSIIDC) Mr. N. Yogish Bhat here today.

Mr. Bhat speaking to presspersons told that all the contracts will be awarded for the winning bidder in 4-5 months and the work will take not more than 3 years to complete. The railway link will begin from BRV circle near cantonment and go through Mekhri cirle and end at the ramp of the trumpet fly over near the BIAL. This will be the first Greenfield airport in India to have its own rail link. It will be calld BARL (Bangalore Airport Rail Link Limited ) Mr. Yogish Bhat said.

He said all the five bidders who came for the RFQ stage have been pre-selected and if all of them make it through the final stages each of them might get a chance to share the project. Mr. Bhat said KSIIDC was endowed with this responsibility initially but now the BARL will handle it due to the technical issues.

The six coaches that will be attached to an engine car will take less than 23 minutes to travel to the BIA with only 3 stops namely at BRV circle, Hebbal and Yelahanka. At many places the train will go underground and the first tunnel will be near the HAL corporate office near the Income Tax office circle Mr. Bhat told. There will be a provision to increase it to 10 coaches in the future he added

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This ain't exactly a bullet train from France/Japan, it'll be one of those Shatabdis.

Five bidders qualify for BIA railway link
TIMES NEWS NETWORK

Mangalore: The high-speed rail link from M G Road to Bangalore International A i r p o r t ( B I A ) just got a step closer. Five leading consortiums have qualified and the process of awarding the final contract of Rs 6,000 crore will be done in next 4-5 months.
Karnataka State Industrial Investment and Development Corporation (KSIIDC) executive director G L Jere told STOI here on Saturday: "The Bangalore Airport Rail Link Ltd (BARL), which is independently handling this project, will take it to the next step."
The train with six coaches will have three stops — at Hebbal, Yelahanka and BIA terminus. Initially, there will be a train every 10 minutes and more will be introduced later.
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BIAL Rail connectivity


The railway link will begin from BRV circle near cantonment and go through Mekhri cirle and end at the ramp of the trumpet fly over near the BIAL.
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Don't know what they mean by end at the tumpet flyover ramp near BIAL. That flyover is on NH7 and the airport is about 4 to 5 kms from there. So, what do the HSR passengers and their luggage do from there? Take a bus?? If this is true, it is the most moronic thing I have heard...