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Is it just me or is the text that says Mainz on the stand a little bit unbalanced, like its shifted a little bit away from the left side.

Is it just me or is the text that says Mainz on the stand a little bit unbalanced, like its shifted a little bit away from the left side.

That's right. I still can't get used to it.

When people are sitting in them, you won't notice :)

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Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.

Especially in the 1st picture, and that corners look AWESOME!!!!!!

For Mainz it's like a won championship. Mainz had one of the lowest budgets in Bundesliga, so it was nearly the maximum and it's still an awesome success. The new stadium will help to gain more possibilities, but the main target to keep in this league won't be changed.

how much is the budget btw?

This Stadium from the outside looks like Castorama, but still nice : )

how much is the budget btw?

the total budget was about 38m and will increase due to new stadium and higher ratings (sportive success about last 4 seasons gain a quota from tv budget for league) up to 54m coming season. Salary for players should be about 40%. Some teams we left last season behind us had a higher budget for players than we had in total.

anyone have plans and seating plan for this stadium ?
because i want to make this stadium in 3D

anyone have plans and seating plan for this stadium ?
because i want to make this stadium in 3D

You can download already a 3D-model of this stadium: http://www.coface-arena.de/coface-arena/architektur/3d-animation/
Link is below picture.

or here directlink to the file:
http://www.coface-arena.de/fileadmin/content/videos/100928-StadionMainz.exe

You can download already a 3D-model of this stadium: http://www.coface-arena.de/coface-arena/architektur/3d-animation/
Link is below picture.

or here directlink to the file:
http://www.coface-arena.de/fileadmin/content/videos/100928-StadionMainz.exe

yes thank you
but I also need like this
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=451043&page=12

Now the signs are installed on every side

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@iloxor

you have seating plan for this stadium ?

@iloxor

you have seating plan for this stadium ?

No, sorry. I've seen the plan in the ticketshop when I bought some for the opening ceremony, but I've never found it in the web.

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Pictures from the first test run

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completed?

completed?

Nearly. Still some paint works and some rooms needs to be finished, but should be no problem to be in time.

Two questions: Will that terrace be full of supporters? If yes that stand will have a great atmosphere if they all sing/jump/clap/etc for a club like Mainz.

And will they paint the away supporters sector or will they leave it in concrete?

Two questions: Will that terrace be full of supporters? If yes that stand will have a great atmosphere if they all sing/jump/clap/etc for a club like Mainz.

And will they paint the away supporters sector or will they leave it in concrete?

If you mean supporters like ultras, then I have to say no. The fanszene and also the terrace in Mainz is very mixed of all age groups and different characters, so there will be (unfortunatly) also people which doesn't support that much. At least there will be place for much more people and new supporters and also the lower part (under the big "MAINZ" letters) keeps terrace like in the old stadium for about 2.600 supporters even there are chairs now. It's for people which prefer to have a fixed place, not to search every game, therefore and for best perspective they need to pay more then on normal terrace. In general I am confident that we'll get a great atmosphere.

The away sector gets painted too, if you check the last picture you see that they started already on left side of the entry.

Nice Stadium.

By the way, why in Germany they keep using non seated stands?

Nice Stadium.

By the way, why in Germany they keep using non seated stands?
Because they want to :) There is a minimum requirement of 10% non seated room for fans, because the fans demand this and thankfully people respect the fan culture in Germany a lot more than in other countires. With some exceptions...

where are the benches?

Because they want to :) There is a minimum requirement of 10% non seated room for fans, because the fans demand this and thankfully people respect the fan culture in Germany a lot more than in other countires. With some exceptions...

lol :shocked:

OK then. :)

what is the capacity for Europa League matches?

what is the capacity for Europa League matches?

About 26.000.

Because they want to :) There is a minimum requirement of 10% non seated room for fans, because the fans demand this and thankfully people respect the fan culture in Germany a lot more than in other countires. With some exceptions...
What about Allianz Arena or Olypmiastadion, they do not have standing areas?

Thanks @Monchichi ;)

I absolutely love it when stands are all terraced. :cheers:

What about Allianz Arena or Olypmiastadion, they do not have standing areas?
Allianz Arena has standing areas, Olympiastadion doesn't. I don't recall what was the reasoning behind this one, but I called Hertha press office a few years back while wroking on an article and they assured me fans are entitled to stand at their stadium just like in all these where there are terraces.

I absolutely love it when stands are all terraced. :cheers:
And in this case they look really nice with the paintwork.

Allianz Arena has standing areas, Olympiastadion doesn't. I don't recall what was the reasoning behind this one, but I called Hertha press office a few years back while wroking on an article and they assured me fans are entitled to stand at their stadium just like in all these where there are terraces.

Two years ago we had a discussion again about all-seater stadiums in germany. Ironically based of an incident in Berlin, when some people ran on the pitch after a very bad season. I think the main reason is, that it's not necessary to remove seats for league games in Berlin, cause they just seldom reach the maximum capacity, while for example Dortmund reaches this regularly even with a big capacity.

In Mainz the new stadium was influenced already during planning period of many interesst groups. For fans the high volume of terrace places, low fences, the recognition value to old stadium and much more kiosk and restrooms, an own big area for referees, easy reachable places for disabled people and also police gets much more space.

hello all :)
especially mainz fans
i try to make this stadium in 3ds max
these few pictures, and it has not been completed
and this just main stand
i hope you like it :)


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@kuarif awesome! Would it be possible to get the data, when you are finished?

Very good design - simple and elegant

Can somebody tell me, how much is the final cost of this stadium's development? Is it true, that construction cost is only 40 mio Euro? In Warsaw they paid 120 mio for arena in similar standard. It's very strange... :|

which programm you used?

Very good design - simple and elegant

Can somebody tell me, how much is the final cost of this stadium's development? Is it true, that construction cost is only 40 mio Euro? In Warsaw they paid 120 mio for arena in similar standard. It's very strange... :|

45m Euro was planned, but it became about 8m more expensive the club will pay, so about 53m plus 15m infrastructure (streets, land etc) . The 8m are raised by special wishes of the club like the corners which are closed with glas (else it becomes damn cold in winter from wind), they decided also for better seats as planned (and they also need 7000 more for europe league) and also more VIP rooms were completed cause of more requests as expected.

They tried to use any option to built as cheap as possible without loosing quality, for example that the stadium is 5 meters deep, they didn't need to build any stairs from outside.

which programm you used?

He said 3ds max bro.

@kuarif awesome! Would it be possible to get the data, when you are finished?

I do not know when this will finish
but this takes quite a long time :)

which programm you used?

i use 3ds max 2008 :)
i autodidact learning 3ds max :)

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45m Euro was planned, but it became about 8m more expensive the club will pay, so about 53m plus 15m infrastructure (streets, land etc) . The 8m are raised by special wishes of the club like the corners which are closed with glas (else it becomes damn cold in winter from wind), they decided also for better seats as planned (and they also need 7000 more for europe league) and also more VIP rooms were completed cause of more requests as expected.

They tried to use any option to built as cheap as possible without loosing quality, for example that the stadium is 5 meters deep, they didn't need to build any stairs from outside.

Wikipedia says the overall cost is about 60 mio € the cost for the stadium 45 mio €, but those numbers should probably be outdated and not include the extra 8 mio € you mentioned.

Since the stadium is built by the city of Mainz (GVG der Stadt Mainz) the club rents the stadium for 3.3 mio€ per year in league one and 2 mio € per year in league 2 and that is pretty cheap for a soccer club to play in a brand new stadium of this size in Germany.

45m Euro was planned, but it became about 8m more expensive the club will pay, so about 53m plus 15m infrastructure (streets, land etc) . The 8m are raised by special wishes of the club like the corners which are closed with glas (else it becomes damn cold in winter from wind), they decided also for better seats as planned (and they also need 7000 more for europe league) and also more VIP rooms were completed cause of more requests as expected.

They tried to use any option to built as cheap as possible without loosing quality, for example that the stadium is 5 meters deep, they didn't need to build any stairs from outside.

Thank you

how many suites does it have?

Wikipedia says the overall cost is about 60 mio € the cost for the stadium 45 mio €, but those numbers should probably be outdated and not include the extra 8 mio € you mentioned.

Since the stadium is built by the city of Mainz (GVG der Stadt Mainz) the club rents the stadium for 3.3 mio€ per year in league one and 2 mio € per year in league 2 and that is pretty cheap for a soccer club to play in a brand new stadium of this size in Germany.

Read my post again ;) 53m plus 15m infrastructure ;)

Well, you know in comparison to Aachen Mainz sold the stadium name, so Mainz get about 3m extra each season and pays more or less nothing for stadium. With the lease they also buy bit by bit the stadium until they are able to pay the balance of the stadium from city in approximately 10-15 years.

how many suites does it have?

35

View from the Support area. it is incredibly steep

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5 days remaining. I've just seen it a few times from outside but on sunday...I'll be happy like a child! It surely will be breathtaking! :banana: :cheers: :nuts:

Couldn't move on complete section?

View from the Support area. it is incredibly steep
Is it steeper then other parts of the stadium or are they equaly steep?

Is it steeper then other parts of the stadium or are they equaly steep?

Three stands are equally steep. The main grandstand is still steeper

2 days remaining :banana:

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How many parking spaces?

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...Die Kosten der exakt 34.034 Zuschauer fassenden Arena belaufen sich auf rund 60 Millionen Euro...
http://www.coface-arena.de/aktuell/news/artikel/article/so-ein-tag-so-wunderschoen-wie-heute/?tx_ttnews

change thread title to 34,034 please

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hello all
i really like the design of this stadium
so, i make this stadium in 3ds max
now i've finished all the stands
then i'll make the roof and providing seats and texture :)

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^^Great work!

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Mainz - Gaz metan medias Have pictures ?

Mainz - Gaz metan medias Have pictures ?

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I must say it's nice to see a different design for a mid-sized new stadium. In the UK, we have too many stadiums that look like the Riverside Stadium or the King Power (formerly Walkers) Stadium. This one is unique, if a little out in the sticks!

I like but it was weak for Bundesliga stadiums.

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a total shame :ohno:

i wish they are relegated at the end of season in division 2!


A total disrespectful for visitors teams

Thats pretty common on this side of the pond, tend to have extra glamorous home locker rooms, and the visitors might be passable for high school. Like a psychological ploy or something.

today this has to be stopped! you have to welcome visitor team like it was yours team!

perhaps not with the same elements but the same confort level

Chill out, its not a dungeon, its a locker room and it needn't be a five star hotel. It looks functional if not a whole lot more. Maybe in France opposing players have to be pampered to the Nth degree, but I can't imagine this being that big a deal, your feeling bad about millionaires using common facilities, oh the horror.

today this has to be stopped! you have to welcome visitor team like it was yours team!

perhaps not with the same elements but the same confort level


Why?

a total shame :ohno:

i wish they are relegated at the end of season in division 2!


A total disrespectful for visitors teams

The main reason why I believe Mainz 05 should be relegated into the second division as soon as possible isn't the stadium or the locker room, it's the clubs fans.

They're just nothing but typical modern partyclowns, singing only when they're winning.

They just had their first official and important homegame in their brand new stadium for the Euroleague qualification, an international match (which happens to be a pretty rare occasion for Mainz 05) and they only get the stadium half filled with a mere 15759 visitors.
- How poor is that?

Well they performed poorly and dropped out after the rematch, so at least we don't need to worry about having a half empty 30k stadium host Euroleague matches anymore, do we?

A club where the players and the fans are hardly interested in qualifying for the Euroleague just doesn't deserve to play there.

^You've got to be joking?


A club where the players and the fans are hardly interested in qualifying for the Euroleague just doesn't deserve to play there.

Losing a match (on penalties no less) now qualifies as a situation where players and fans are hardly interested? Nonsense.

As far as their support goes, the 34,000 sell-out that should accompany every match of the Bundesliga speaks volumes of their support compared to the rest of Europe. And 16,000 was probably one of the highest crowds in the Europa League qualifying match day. Not to mention the team they played against are completely unheard of. Had Mainz qualified for the group stages, they probably would have come close to selling out every one of their group games.

All this from a city of roughly 200,000. Yeah I agree, a real disaster story...

so at least we don't need to worry about having a half empty 30k stadium host Euroleague matches anymore, do we?

That's nothing special in the Europa League Qualification.

2010

Stuttgart - Molde 11500 visitors
Stuttgart - Bratislava 14000 visitors
Leverkusen - Simferopol 13000 visitors
Dortmund - Agdam 47800 visitors


2009

Hamburg - Guingamp 25798 visitors
Hertha BSC - Bröndby 14741 visitors
Werder Bremen - Aktobe 21446 visitors


and so on...

Maybe because its working day?

It's really nice, I just don't like the open corners, but that's what makes it unique...

The main reason why I believe Mainz 05 should be relegated into the second division as soon as possible isn't the stadium or the locker room, it's the clubs fans.

They're just nothing but typical modern partyclowns, singing only when they're winning.

They just had their first official and important homegame in their brand new stadium for the Euroleague qualification, an international match (which happens to be a pretty rare occasion for Mainz 05) and they only get the stadium half filled with a mere 15759 visitors.
- How poor is that?

Well they performed poorly and dropped out after the rematch, so at least we don't need to worry about having a half empty 30k stadium host Euroleague matches anymore, do we?

A club where the players and the fans are hardly interested in qualifying for the Euroleague just doesn't deserve to play there.

Not the first time alemanniafan use this thread for his antipathy and disinformation.

This is a board to discuss stadiums!
You don't like us? I don't care, but i become angry if you publish disrespectfull stuff on a neutral board.

Here are some facts for you Alemanniafan, cause I won't pass this without comment:
1. We are a small club! Nobody told something else. We had no possibility to grow due to a very limited stadium even we were successfull and had no single boring season in the previous 10 years.
2. We are also singing when we were loosing and when went for relegation and therefore we are known, even don't want to destroy your prejudices. It depends always on the way you loose. Nobody celebrates a team, which doesn't fight (what a luck rare in Mainz). I watch also games of Aachen from time to time...
3. Ok, just about 16k in the first official game... I expected also more, but that was the third big event in a few days (Opening, Liga Total Cup for 2 days) and our basic is still the same. How should it be bigger? For 7 years the same 17k were coming to the games by season ticket, just a few tickets to sell (only for members) plus away supporter tickets. That means nearly everbody of these were coming to that game against a nobody team, during week, late evening and also shown on freetv.
4. if you want to compare us with big teams, then do, but in the right proportion. Just watch the list above and tell me if their 90% came to that games?
5. It wasn't funny for us to get eliminated in the cup, after we were 2 times the better team just missing to hit the goal more often. OK, Medias deservs it with it's defensive 10 ppl wall and 2,5 chances/2 goals in two games... (caution: ironic). It's always easier playing against mediocre teams with big name than good fighters in a team nobody has heard about.

Sincerly yours,
Partyclown since 1990

P.S. I know Alemannia and Mainz were on a similar level some years ago and your club has currently a lot of problems and done many management mistakes, but we can't help it.

Nice and cozy stadium!

Not the first time alemanniafan use this thread for his antipathy and disinformation.

This is a board to discuss stadiums!
You don't like us? I don't care, but i become angry if you publish disrespectfull stuff on a neutral board.

Here are some facts for you Alemanniafan, cause I won't pass this without comment:
1. We are a small club! Nobody told something else. We had no possibility to grow due to a very limited stadium even we were successfull and had no single boring season in the previous 10 years.
2. We are also singing when we were loosing and when went for relegation and therefore we are known, even don't want to destroy your prejudices. It depends always on the way you loose. Nobody celebrates a team, which doesn't fight (what a luck rare in Mainz). I watch also games of Aachen from time to time...
3. Ok, just about 16k in the first official game... I expected also more, but that was the third big event in a few days (Opening, Liga Total Cup for 2 days) and our basic is still the same. How should it be bigger? For 7 years the same 17k were coming to the games by season ticket, just a few tickets to sell (only for members) plus away supporter tickets. That means nearly everbody of these were coming to that game against a nobody team, during week, late evening and also shown on freetv.
4. if you want to compare us with big teams, then do, but in the right proportion. Just watch the list above and tell me if their 90% came to that games?
5. It wasn't funny for us to get eliminated in the cup, after we were 2 times the better team just missing to hit the goal more often. OK, Medias deservs it with it's defensive 10 ppl wall and 2,5 chances/2 goals in two games... (caution: ironic). It's always easier playing against mediocre teams with big name than good fighters in a team nobody has heard about.

Sincerly yours,
Partyclown since 1990

P.S. I know Alemannia and Mainz were on a similar level some years ago and your club has currently a lot of problems and done many management mistakes, but we can't help it.
Bayer Leverkusen is just a little bigger than Mainz and Aachen, so I can measure that situation as well.

To me, both stadias (AA & MZ) are a good example of building a new stadium at low costs. I dont like these precast condrete designs because they miss charakter in my opinion, but its the most effective solution a club can do.

In case of Mainz there was no option to that rotten Bruchweg, but on Aachen its a shame that they didnt find a way modernizing that old and legendary Tivoli, because I think that had been possible. The new Tivoli is just boring.

Not the first time alemanniafan use this thread for his antipathy and disinformation.

This is a board to discuss stadiums!
You don't like us? I don't care, but i become angry if you publish disrespectfull stuff on a neutral board.

Here are some facts for you Alemanniafan, cause I won't pass this without comment:
1. We are a small club! Nobody told something else. We had no possibility to grow due to a very limited stadium even we were successfull and had no single boring season in the previous 10 years.
2. We are also singing when we were loosing and when went for relegation and therefore we are known, even don't want to destroy your prejudices. It depends always on the way you loose. Nobody celebrates a team, which doesn't fight (what a luck rare in Mainz). I watch also games of Aachen from time to time...
3. Ok, just about 16k in the first official game... I expected also more, but that was the third big event in a few days (Opening, Liga Total Cup for 2 days) and our basic is still the same. How should it be bigger? For 7 years the same 17k were coming to the games by season ticket, just a few tickets to sell (only for members) plus away supporter tickets. That means nearly everbody of these were coming to that game against a nobody team, during week, late evening and also shown on freetv.
4. if you want to compare us with big teams, then do, but in the right proportion. Just watch the list above and tell me if their 90% came to that games?
5. It wasn't funny for us to get eliminated in the cup, after we were 2 times the better team just missing to hit the goal more often. OK, Medias deservs it with it's defensive 10 ppl wall and 2,5 chances/2 goals in two games... (caution: ironic). It's always easier playing against mediocre teams with big name than good fighters in a team nobody has heard about.

Sincerly yours,
Partyclown since 1990

P.S. I know Alemannia and Mainz were on a similar level some years ago and your club has currently a lot of problems and done many management mistakes, but we can't help it.

I'm sorry that I just don't like this artificial "Karnevalsverein" thing the club Mainz 05 has turned itself into a while ago.
To me that all is just an extremely superficial and pretty ridiculous partyclown image and doesn't have much to do with traditional soccer anymore.

Now back to the topic, the Eurolueague qualification games:
You're even writing it yourself, that you're dissapointed with the attendancy at the first official match in the Coface Arena and that you personally also expected more. You just view it all more positively and find excuses and explanations as a clubs fan, naturally.

If you take a look at your own clubs official forum you will also even find plenty of comments from your clubs fans on the Euroleague Qualification who share my opinion that it just was an embarrasing performance of your club.
Other comments in several soccer forums even go a lot further saying that yours clubs performance in the Euroloeague Qualification was an embarrassement for German soccer. I personally won't go that far.

Mainz 05 could and should have perormed much better and they also have a large enough fanbase to draw more than 16k people to an important official match, especially since Mainz 05 does even also have a halfwhat recent UEFA Cup history.

We're on an international neutral forum as you say, so I'll apologize for having phrased my posting as provocative as I have and having gotten you overly upset. But I'll stick with my opinion, that your club just embarrased itself on all accounts in that Euroleague qualification. Even though the stadium indeed is pretty nice despite a few minor things as the location out in the middle of nowhere. (I know how much difficulties the city had finding a decent location, but that doesnt make the result any better, it just explains it.)


Bayer Leverkusen is just a little bigger than Mainz and Aachen, so I can measure that situation as well.

To me, both stadias (AA & MZ) are a good example of building a new stadium at low costs. I dont like these precast condrete designs because they miss charakter in my opinion, but its the most effective solution a club can do.

In case of Mainz there was no option to that rotten Bruchweg, but on Aachen its a shame that they didnt find a way modernizing that old and legendary Tivoli, because I think that had been possible. The new Tivoli is just boring.

I have no idea how you ended up with the impression that expanding and modernizing the old Tivoli, with a residental area directly across the street was I any way more possible than it would have been at the site of the Bruchwegstadion and that it could have been expanded or modernized simmilar to the Millerntor-stadion in St. Pauli or the Glücksgas Arena in Dresden, or the Bay Arena in Leverkusen, but your impression is just plain wrong.

The old Tivoli had been operated for years on a provisional license granted year by year and because it is so overly outdated it could only be operated in the state it was in. Any larger changes to the stands or the buildings, like adding Vip boxes, or a roof to existing stands would have changed the legal aspects and the operating license would have ended up beeing void and unrenewable because of all the modern legal requirements that would then have to be applied. If construction works for the new Tivoli had only begun one single montha later the club Alemannia Aachen would even have been required to errect a noise protection measure (a large wall) for several hundreds of thousands of euros due to a lawsuit from nearby residents.

An expansion or modernisation was just plain impossible operating the stadium as it was wasn't an option either because major repairs were necessary due to safety reasons and would have meant large costs as well as a change of the stadium in the state as it was. Original plans were building a stadium out of town by the freeway as it is so common for modern stadia in other cities.
The location right next to the old Tivoli was only made available because clubs Fans and city residents massively prostested against the clubs plans to move out beyond the cities limits into Würselen.
So local politics especially the city major got involved and arranged to move a tennis club and to gardening clubs with many little garden plots away from the site to make place for the new stadium and created the concept of the Sportspark Soers right in the city in comfortable walking distance of the cities very center. The location for the new Tivoli was far from easy to obtain and wasn't just available or an easy option. It would have been far easier to build a stadium out by the freewayor inthe middle of green fields as it has been done in so many other cities as well as in Mainz.
The circumstances in Aachen were in not in any way comparable to the situation in Hamburg St. Pauli, Dresden or Leverkusen. The club had to move away from the original site, and put immense efforts into being able to stay as close to the city center and the original site as they did.

I'm sorry that I just don't like this artificial "Karnevalsverein" thing the club Mainz 05 has turned itself into a while ago.
To me that all is just an extremely superficial and pretty ridiculous partyclown image and doesn't have much to do with traditional soccer anymore.

Now back to the topic, the Eurolueague qualification games:
You're even writing it yourself, that you're dissapointed with the attendancy at the first official match in the Coface Arena and that you personally also expected more. You just view it all more positively and find excuses and explanations as a clubs fan, naturally.

If you take a look at your own clubs official forum you will also even find plenty of comments from your clubs fans on the Euroleague Qualification who share my opinion that it just was an embarrasing performance of your club.
Other comments in several soccer forums even go a lot further saying that yours clubs performance in the Euroloeague Qualification was an embarrassement for German soccer. I personally won't go that far.

Mainz 05 could and should have perormed much better and they also have a large enough fanbase to draw more than 16k people to an important official match, especially since Mainz 05 does even also have a halfwhat recent UEFA Cup history.

We're on an international neutral forum as you say, so I'll apologize for having phrased my posting as provocative as I have and having gotten you overly upset. But I'll stick with my opinion, that your club just embarrased itself on all accounts in that Euroleague qualification. Even though the stadium indeed is pretty nice despite a few minor things as the location out in the middle of nowhere. (I know how much difficulties the city had finding a decent location, but that doesnt make the result any better, it just explains it.)


The image is just an image, as you know yourself. In 2nd league about 15 years ago we had no image, we were just some club fighting against relegation year to year without any unique thing. So Karnivalclub was born, but that doesn't mean that we are "partyclowns", it was only to make the club more interessting and it worked. I think the only thing which really distinguishes us from others, is to have a higher rate of families and woman, that's why we also have also just seldom problems with police.
Take the guy in the harlekin costume, I'm sure you know whom i mean: the people hate him, that such an as**** shall represent our club and his ugly face is shown every game at least 2-3 times on tv. He had to asorb some blows already for this...

And btw: the official club forum is not representative. I never write there and many others avoid it due to some special kind of people there, comparable with borussen.net...

Believe me, the fanbase is about 16k-17k and I also know enough people of those which had no chance to go to that game during week. If the opponent would have been more interessting, also the sympathizer would attend, but that wasn't the case and about that i was disappointed, but I couldn't estimate before. We have now the chance that these become fans which doesn't want to miss any game, but that process needs a lil longer.

Sure the club could have performed better on EL, but as in every club you have people which only compete by the result if it was a good or bad game. One more goal and it was a great performance... black and white thinking like done of the media.

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@kuarif

Nice job, yours looks better than the original one:-)


^You've got to be joking?




Losing a match (on penalties no less) now qualifies as a situation where players and fans are hardly interested? Nonsense.

As far as their support goes, the 34,000 sell-out that should accompany every match of the Bundesliga speaks volumes of their support compared to the rest of Europe. And 16,000 was probably one of the highest crowds in the Europa League qualifying match day. Not to mention the team they played against are completely unheard of. Had Mainz qualified for the group stages, they probably would have come close to selling out every one of their group games.

All this from a city of roughly 200,000. Yeah I agree, a real disaster story ...

Gelsenkirchen, 258,000 inh. Europa League avg. att.: 53,000
any questions?

@kuarif

Nice job, yours looks better than the original one:-)




Gelsenkirchen, 258,000 inh. Europa League avg. att.: 53,000
any questions?

I'm no expert on German geography, but I'd reckon Schalke have a rather more populous catchment area than Mainz. It's not as if support ends at the boundaries of either town.