Better late than never...
Put me down for the 26th April as the opening date for fare payers after opening.

My guess is they'll give passengers a free day or two of travel on the line before the first fare payers head for their commute on a normal working day. Did this happen for phases 1+2? I've picked the 26th as preceding it could be a soft-launch of a four day sunday service (Good Friday 22nd-Easter Monday 25th).

They might then avoid any angry season ticket-holders if the service messes up during the first couple of days.

I had a look at Chorlton station yesterday and it appears finished. Only a bit of wire fence now blocks the completed enteraces. Didn't spot the ticket machines but everything else is in place.

Unless we see trams up and down being tested and the TOS working in the next few weeks I can't see it opening any time soon as the testing alone will take a couple of months I would expect.

I also looked at it yesterday. There is still quite a lot of handrail to be fitted and work is still being done on the lift.
I'd say that there is still a good few days work to see it finished.

There was also a gang at work on the Saturday.

Does anyone know the exact date of the opening of the Central Park tram stop?

Chorltonred - 28th March

Voldermort - 1st April
Neil - 1st April
ill tonkso - 3rd April
ScouseinManc - 4th April
Nathan Dawz - 10th April
Joseph Locke - 11th April
Wirlie G - 11th April
rob793 - 12th April
Chogmook - 16th April
Ashtonian - 17th April
harryj79 - 17th April
1015sparky - 17th April
Manclad71 - 18th April
Kriis101 - 21st April
Futurelink - 25th April
Mamucium - 26th April
M60 - 26th April
Accura - 29th April
Johnny de Rivative - 29th April
Norb - 30th April

Watch - 1st May
NYManic - 1st May
Gdogg371 - 1st May
alr1970 - 2nd May
thecityofgold - 3rd May
Zim - 3rd May
conn1231 - 5th May
Local Lad - 6th May
r02 - 9th May
MarkO - 13th May
martin2345 - 15th May
Chorlton Metro - 15th May
Mostly Lurnking - 15th May
CPL R - 16th May
Sir Miles Platting - 16th May
kurt5561 - 16th May
DiscoSteve - 20th May
link road - 22nd May
Apologies - 23rd May
tucbuscuit - 29th May
iheartthenew - 30th May
Free07 - 30th May

hussla - 1st June
Seasonedbest - 6th June
leeroy - 12th June
traffordboy - 13th June
hulmeman - 20th June
Soupcon - 20th June

mackenzi - 20th July

ADJ1984 - 28th September

Bible - 5th October

Joydivision - 30th Sept 2012


anyone else???

Ill go for 17th April please :)

Chorltonred - 28th March

Voldermort - 1st April
Neil - 1st April
ill tonkso - 3rd April
ScouseinManc - 4th April
Nathan Dawz - 10th April
Joseph Locke - 11th April
Wirlie G - 11th April
rob793 - 12th April
Chogmook - 16th April
ELRMushroom - 17th April
Ashtonian - 17th April
harryj79 - 17th April
1015sparky - 17th April
Manclad71 - 18th April
Kriis101 - 21st April
Futurelink - 25th April
Mamucium - 26th April
M60 - 26th April
Accura - 29th April
Johnny de Rivative - 29th April
Norb - 30th April

Watch - 1st May
NYManic - 1st May
Gdogg371 - 1st May
alr1970 - 2nd May
thecityofgold - 3rd May
Zim - 3rd May
conn1231 - 5th May
Local Lad - 6th May
r02 - 9th May
MarkO - 13th May
martin2345 - 15th May
Chorlton Metro - 15th May
Mostly Lurnking - 15th May
CPL R - 16th May
Sir Miles Platting - 16th May
kurt5561 - 16th May
DiscoSteve - 20th May
link road - 22nd May
Apologies - 23rd May
tucbuscuit - 29th May
iheartthenew - 30th May
Free07 - 30th May

hussla - 1st June
Seasonedbest - 6th June
leeroy - 12th June
traffordboy - 13th June
hulmeman - 20th June
Soupcon - 20th June

mackenzi - 20th July

ADJ1984 - 28th September

Bible - 5th October

Joydivision - 30th Sept 2012


anyone else???

54 guesses so far !

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/Geeves8612/P1000660.jpg



Can I make an observation about this photograph?

No one wastes money on concrete and land? That bridge is wide enough for 4 tracks?

What are they planning to do with it then? Where are the extra lines routing to and from?

Tree/Barking/Up/Wrong/The ?

Werneth station is no more

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-6/1193624/103_0685.JPG

Looking south from Featherstall road bridge

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-6/1193624/103_0686.JPG

No one wastes money on concrete and land? That bridge is wide enough for 4 tracks?
What are they planning to do with it then? Where are the extra lines routing to and from?

There's going to be some central lines for storing spare trams for use when there's a match on.

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4th May for me please Wirlie

There's going to be some central lines for storing spare trams for use when there's a match on.

Cheers bud.

Are there similar plans for Old Trafford.

At Milan, there are dozens of tram tracks alongside the San Siro. United have the North Car-park which could be used for a mega-tram terminus to link up with Cornbrook?

Not sure how much 500yrds of track would cost (+ road junction work) but it would make the ground very, very accessible?

Chorltonred - 28th March

Voldermort - 1st April
Neil - 1st April
ill tonkso - 3rd April
ScouseinManc - 4th April
Nathan Dawz - 10th April
Joseph Locke - 11th April
Wirlie G - 11th April
rob793 - 12th April
Chogmook - 16th April
ELRMushroom - 17th April
Ashtonian - 17th April
harryj79 - 17th April
1015sparky - 17th April
Manclad71 - 18th April
Kriis101 - 21st April
Futurelink - 25th April
Mamucium - 26th April
M60 - 26th April
Accura - 29th April
Johnny de Rivative - 29th April
Norb - 30th April

Watch - 1st May
NYManic - 1st May
Gdogg371 - 1st May
alr1970 - 2nd May
thecityofgold - 3rd May
Zim - 3rd May
Hi-Fi - 4th May
conn1231 - 5th May
Local Lad - 6th May
r02 - 9th May
MarkO - 13th May
martin2345 - 15th May
Chorlton Metro - 15th May
Mostly Lurnking - 15th May
CPL R - 16th May
Sir Miles Platting - 16th May
kurt5561 - 16th May
DiscoSteve - 20th May
link road - 22nd May
Apologies - 23rd May
tucbuscuit - 29th May
iheartthenew - 30th May
Free07 - 30th May

hussla - 1st June
Seasonedbest - 6th June
leeroy - 12th June
traffordboy - 13th June
hulmeman - 20th June
Soupcon - 20th June

mackenzi - 20th July

ADJ1984 - 28th September

Bible - 5th October

Joydivision - 30th Sept 2012


anyone else???

I never understood why they got rid of the old redundant platform at old Trafford. Surely they could have brought them back into use. They could have then had two bays facing Manchester. A double in each, all ready to go, would relieve a lot of the pressure after a game.

I'm pretty sure that the opening times list has been done to death now, no offence Wirle G. This is for construction photos and links. Its not like this thread isn't already stupidly long!

I never understood why they got rid of the old redundant platform at old Trafford. Surely they could have brought them back into use. They could have then had two bays facing Manchester. A double in each, all ready to go, would relieve a lot of the pressure after a game.

I suggested that they should bring that platform back into play on this thread and even drew a very shit diagram to demonstrate.

In other news, all the bags of ballast that is currently sat next to the tracks near Dane Road station has been accompanied by 2 small portacabins. Wonder what they are upto?

13/01/2011 - Metrolink Airport Extension
Work is underway to build the Metrolink extension to Manchester Airport. The line will leave the South Manchester line just after St Werburghs Road stop in Chorlton, and run on 14.5km (9 miles) of new track via Northern Moor, Baguley, and Wythenshawe to Manchester Airport.

As part of the advanced works to extend the Metrolink system to Manchester Airport, some utility diversions works are required and some trees and vegetation needs to be cleared along the route.

All tree removal will be approved by your local authority and will be completed before the start of the bird nesting season. The trees along the central reservation on Mauldeth Road West are not scheduled for removal in this phase of clearance but will be removed as part of the future works.

The area has been fully surveyed by ecologists for protected species and to record the number of trees in the area. As part of GMPTEs environmental policy, more trees will be planted than will be removed.

Utility diversion works will continue throughout the year and will include moving any existing utilities, such as gas, water, electricity, sewers and telecommunications away from the route of the new tram line. We need to do this to make sure that the utility pipes and cables are not damaged during the construction and operation of the new line. This will also mean that tram services are not held up when utilities are maintained or replaced in the future.

There may be some disruption during the utility diversions and it will involve some temporary road closures at certain locations. We are working closely with the utility companies and Local Authorities to co-ordinate and plan this work to minimise the impact on the local communities.

We will provide further information on construction taking place in the area in advance of the work starting.



You are invited to come and meet the Metrolink team and find out more about the extension to Manchester Airport at the following information events where you are welcome to drop in at your convenience.

Tuesday 25th January,4pm to 7pm, St Barnabas Church, Corner of Hardy Lane and Hurstville Road, Chorlton, Manchester M21 8DH

Wednesday 26th January, 4pm to 7pm , The Manchester Health Academy, Moor Road, Wythenshawe, M23 9BP

Tuesday 1st February, 4pm to 7pm , Norbrook Youth Club, Bordley Walk, Wythenshawe, M23 9BP

Tuesday 8th February, 4pm to 7pm , Royal Oak Community Centre, Brookcott Road, Wythenshawe, M23 1DY

Wednesday 9th February, 3pm to 7pm, Wythenshawe Forum, Forum Square, M22 5RF

Tuesday 15th February, 4pm to 7pm ,Benchill Community Centre, Benchill Road, Wythenshawe, M22 8EJ

Wednesday 16th February, 3pm to 7pm, Wythenshawe Forum, Forum Square, M22 5RF

Tuesday 22nd February 4pm to 7pm , St Elizabeths Church Hall, Holliney Road (corner with Lomond Road), Peel Hall, M22 5JF.

The venues for our events have disabled parking and wheelchair access. If you need to know anything further about accessibility, please contact us on 0161 244 1555.

If you are unable to attend the event and would like further information, please contact us on 0161 244 1555 or email future.metrolink@gmpte.gov.uk. If requested, we can also visit you at home or at your place of work to discuss the project further.

^^

Lots of action at the new East Didsbury Metrolink stop (the end of the line) today. Looks like development could be starting.

Oldham & Rochdale Line (West of Oldham Mumps)

I took these from the footbridge over A62 Oldham Way and The former railway line. http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=393147&Y=404830&A=Y&Z=115

Looking West towards Manchester - it seems the original timber sleepers and rails are intact and awaiting removal.

http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/Ashtonian_photos/Metrolink/P170111_1436.jpg

http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/Ashtonian_photos/Metrolink/P170111_1436_01.jpg

Looking East towards Mumps - the old track and sleepers have all gone - it seems there's a large stockpile of concrete sleepers and other stuff.
http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/Ashtonian_photos/Metrolink/P170111_1437.jpg

http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/Ashtonian_photos/Metrolink/P170111_1438.jpg

http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/Ashtonian_photos/Metrolink/P170111_1440.jpg

http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/Ashtonian_photos/Metrolink/P170111_1437_01.jpg

Can I make an observation about this photograph?

No one wastes money on concrete and land? That bridge is wide enough for 4 tracks?

What are they planning to do with it then? Where are the extra lines routing to and from?

Tree/Barking/Up/Wrong/The ?

Is that where the extended crossover track will be?

Cheers bud.

Are there similar plans for Old Trafford.

At Milan, there are dozens of tram tracks alongside the San Siro. United have the North Car-park which could be used for a mega-tram terminus to link up with Cornbrook?

Not sure how much 500yrds of track would cost (+ road junction work) but it would make the ground very, very accessible?

I doubt an extension to the ground would pay for itself given the number of days it would be used. Interestingly there never was a siding for the football ground in the old tramway days but there was for the cricket ground along what was Warwick Road. Even Maine Road had nearby storage for match days.

Yes, here is the diagram of the layover siding at Eastlands, as mentioned by High-Fi, and photoed by Local, which will actually be on quite a steep slope :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/turisiding-2.jpg

There is room for 4 trams or 2 doubles to lay over on the centre road, without encroaching the running lines, and I agree McFly that a similar use could easily be made of the old platforms at Old Trafford. I have seen a fair bit of digging there in recent times. I am somewhat intrigued by the new "partnership" between Man United and Metrolink, as recently reported. What does it mean in practice? Are they going to pay for their bit of the new line? (Perhaps now that City are getting their own dedicated Metro station, they want one as well!:lol:) But I won't be holding my breath!

Cheers Ash, for the photos of Oldham. Will that line be ready for public service by Autumn?

Yes JDR, it was the diggers at OT that got me thinking. Surely, considering they have been left unused in situ for 40yrs, they're not digging them out now!

Think they maybe

Hasn't a power support pylon gone in where the platform would go and the wall is coming down?

Hi

Thank for photo at Oldham Mumps and Werneth do u think the Oldham line might don't be ready in time and end up opening it up with it going to Rochdale or Shaw? plus I don't think line to Central park be opening in Spring possible more like Summer, have they still have'nt testing the line up to Central Park like the did on Chorlton back in Nov.

http://menmedia.co.uk/southmanchesterreporter/news/s/137160 _first_tests_conducted_on_chorlton_metrolink_line

Cheers r02.
I think that Chorlton will probably open somewhat earlier than Central Park. Chorlton will be a massive revenue generator; Central Park not so much at first, and they will be needing the money. There should be no problem turning back Chorlton vehicles at Victoria pro tem if Central Park is not quite ready. They have done this before a lot during blockades, e,g, this last weekend when all Eccles turned back at Victoria as well as a shuttle to Aytoun Street.

As regards Oldham Mumps temporary terminus, I guess they should be able to throw the lines and overhead down-along fairly quickly, as it was a recently existing railway and won't need any digging for utilities, etc. Admittedly, it looks a long way off at present with all that rubble, etc., but the announced date is "Autumn 11", which gives them until 21st December to keep within publicity.

The line to Sportcity seems more advanced, and if the men on the ground are to be believed, they also see this as a plentiful supply of early football revenue . . .

Cheers r02.
I think that Chorlton will probably open somewhat earlier than Central Park. Chorlton will be a massive revenue generator; Central Park not so much at first, and they will be needing the money. There should be no problem turning back Chorlton vehicles at Victoria pro tem if Central Park is not quite ready. They have done this before a lot during blockades, e,g, this last weekend when all Eccles turned back at Victoria as well as a shuttle to Aytoun Street.


Agreed on the Central Park point - but not just on the grounds of revenue.

I had a wander up there on Saturday and while there is progress being made, it's not quite at the same stage as Chorlton. Monsall station is composed but not so 'finished' - it lacks PIDS, for example. And most importantly, the wires stop between Monsall and Central Park, so I doubt they're even energised. Don't expect powered test runs before March.

Also, considering the size of the embankment, they've got one hell of a landscaping job on their hands...

Central Park looked to be quite active, but with the fencing in place and a security vehicle on site, taking a closer look is now out of the question.

I'm sticking with May 1st for a full opening. Chorlton could very well join the network sooner, but I reckon Monsall and the like will have to wait longer.

Can anyone confirm this is ture? (posted on the Bluemoon/Las Vegas thread)

curiously the airport line will terminate at Victoria but the Sportcity line at Piccadilly.

Sorry, but I ony nip in and out of this thread, so I'm not really up to date with it.

I find it hard to believe that you won't be able to continue your journey from COMS/Leisure destination to Piccadilly Train Station, and then on to Manchester Airport. The fact that you would have to trek across town and catch the tram from Victoria Station to Manchester Airport seems pretty pointless. (if that is true?) Thanks in advance.

PS. Found the answer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Metrolink

TBH, when travelling between COMS and the airport it would probably be much quicker to change between light and heavy rail at Piccadilly. I'd imagine that journey times on the Airport Metrolink line will be pretty long.

^have to agree, who in their right mind would catch a tram from piccadilly to the airport when the train is regular and much faster- and will probably be cheaper!

Can anyone confirm this is ture? (posted on the Bluemoon/Las Vegas thread)



Sorry, but I ony nip in and out of this thread, so I'm not really up to date with it.

I find it hard to believe that you won't be able to continue your journey from COMS/Leisure destination to Piccadilly Train Station, and then on to Manchester Airport. The fact that you would have to trek across town and catch the tram from Victoria Station to Manchester Airport seems pretty pointless. (if that is true?) Thanks in advance.

PS. Found the answer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Metrolink

Those arent neccesarily the routes, just what GMPTE consider to be distinct 'lines' services may span multiple lines. E.g. Wigan to Rochdale heavy rail service uses two lines, similarily the Altrincham-Bury service spans three lines, the Bury line, the Altrincham line and the City centre line.

^have to agree, who in their right mind would catch a tram from piccadilly to the airport when the train is regular and much faster- and will probably be cheaper!

As previously discussed, a line is not necessarily for end to end transport. It is there to help areas between the end points. As we know (without bringing a rage against it...) there are faster was to get from Eccles to the centre. This applies with the airport line. The communities between the airport and the city centre become linked to each other.
For example - Northern Moor to Chorlton will probably become faster via Metrolink than any other public transport.

One thing we can be quite certain of is Ashton line will use 1CC.

For anybody who's interested the remaining bridge at Oldham Mumps is going to be removed this weekend and signs are allready up warning drivers of the Closure of Mumps Bridge this weekend.

The closure starts from Friday 19:00 until Monday 07:00 from what I'm led to believe although when the other bridge was took down last year they managed to do get the work done quite quickly and had the road reopened for the Sunday Afternoon

Also not to sure whether they are new tracks but I've seen tracks laid now as the Oldham Line goes underneath Broadway near Oldham Road

Is it possible that they will not replace the rails between Werneth and Mumps, as this is the section that will only last for two to three years before being taken out of use. Surely with a minimal amount of attention it can be made fit for purpose without the expense of totally replacing it.

^have to agree, who in their right mind would catch a tram from piccadilly to the airport when the train is regular and much faster- and will probably be cheaper!

I guess it depends on which will be cheaper, alot of people will sacrifice time if something is cheaper.

For anybody who's interested the remaining bridge at Oldham Mumps is going to be removed this weekend and signs are allready up warning drivers of the Closure of Mumps Bridge this weekend.

The closure starts from Friday 19:00 until Monday 07:00 from what I'm led to believe although when the other bridge was took down last year they managed to do get the work done quite quickly and had the road reopened for the Sunday Afternoon

Also not to sure whether they are new tracks but I've seen tracks laid now as the Oldham Line goes underneath Broadway near Oldham Road

Hi

I think they new tracks they laid down because I was on bus down they back in Oct and they was'nt any track down.

Is it possible that they will not replace the rails between Werneth and Mumps, as this is the section that will only last for two to three years before being taken out of use. Surely with a minimal amount of attention it can be made fit for purpose without the expense of totally replacing it.

The track will be in poor condition. You only have to ride on a M5000 on the Alti line to see how bad the ride is quality is. I would imagine it is just as bad up in Oldham, if not worse.

I would rather they replace it personally.

Some great updates guys, especially on the Oldham line.

I'm fairly sure that the track between Mumps and Werneth is the original track and hasn't been pulled up because its only going to be in service a couple of years. Nearly all the rest of the track has been pulled up because it was knackard that stretch wasn't too bad (compared to other sections), the only exception AFASIK is the track at Shaw level crossing, that is still in place.

Given that the Oldham/Rochdale line was previously a heavy rail line there should be greater speed in the construction, its been eveident for a while it is lagging behind the South Manchester line.

The single line section from Newbold to to Rochdale Railway station is still a big improvement as it was previouly single all the way from just North of Shaw Station.

I'll guess the South Man line as 23rd April (Sat) with Central Park 18th June (Sat).

^have to agree, who in their right mind would catch a tram from piccadilly to the airport when the train is regular and much faster- and will probably be cheaper!

People on low wages who work at the Airport. For example if you live on a Stagecoach route in East Manchester it would cost you just £11 a week to get to work via a Megarider. A train would be a lot more than that and you will still need the £11 a week ticket if you don't live close to a station.

Me personaly I would not get a bus from Ashton to the Airport it could only be the train but on a weekly basis the train would work out more expensive. Although as the you can buy a GMPTE rail pass it probably isn't that much more tha the train.

Can anyone confirm this is ture? (posted on the Bluemoon/Las Vegas thread)



Sorry, but I ony nip in and out of this thread, so I'm not really up to date with it.

I find it hard to believe that you won't be able to continue your journey from COMS/Leisure destination to Piccadilly Train Station, and then on to Manchester Airport. The fact that you would have to trek across town and catch the tram from Victoria Station to Manchester Airport seems pretty pointless. (if that is true?) Thanks in advance.

PS. Found the answer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Metrolink

As already posted the line designations are just that. The Ashton (Droylsden) trams will be running through to Bury or Altrincham alternately and so half of them will pass through Cornbrook where an interchange with the Airport trams will be possible. The Airport trams I think will use 2CC to Victoria or may be alternate with Altrincham Bury Directs. Rochdale Oldham line trams will run to East Didsbury via St Werburghs Rd. This means that the only terminating services in the City Centre will be the Eccles trams at Piccadilly and the Airport at Victoria which is to remodelled to cater for them.

Its been officially stated that they will replace the track on the temporary oldham stretch, but they will lift it when its done and reuse the rail and sleepers, probably on the airport line.

^have to agree, who in their right mind would catch a tram from piccadilly to the airport when the train is regular and much faster- and will probably be cheaper!

Anyone who posts in this forum.

Hi

I found this on GMPTE Website talking about moving Oldham mumps bridge this weekend

Next chapter for Oldham Mumps

The next chapter for Metrolink will begin in Oldham this weekend when the remaining half of the viaduct at Oldham Mumps is removed to make way for the new tram line to Oldham and Rochdale.

Work to remove the former railway bridge will begin on Friday night and continue throughout the weekend, with the bridge being gradually dismantled over the course of the two days.

To ensure the work is completed safely, the road under the bridge must be closed from 7pm on Friday 21 January until 6am on Monday 24 January, when the road will reopen in time for the morning rush hour

http://www.gmpte.com/2009_news.cfm?news_id=9006007?submenuheader=3

Couple of fairly uninteresting shots of the Didsbury end of the line...

The site of the East Didsbury station:
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab93/martin2345uk/004-1.jpg


Close up - what are they building over here??
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab93/martin2345uk/005.jpg


Looking the other way from Kingsway.. nothing to see but felled trees!
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab93/martin2345uk/006-1.jpg


Just thought I'd see if there was any action on the earth mound up against the Didsbury village tunnel... well no!
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab93/martin2345uk/003.jpg


Close up - is there really a tunnel behind these girders??
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab93/martin2345uk/002-1.jpg


Hope things start heating up on this stretch now!

Couple of fairly uninteresting shots of the Didsbury end of the line...

Close up - what are they building over here??
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab93/martin2345uk/005.jpg



I'm guessing its a construction compound for this end of the line?

I'm guessing its a construction compound for this end of the line?

Yeah, I think it could be too. They've also started setting up one at the Withington stop, with access off the Parkway.

The 'girders' at the approx. location of the Didsbury Village stop are only piles & easily removed. Once they're gone & the earth shifted, it will look a whole lot better & not so baron.

I'm really looking forward to seeing this end of the line starting to take shape over the next couple of years. With spring not being too far off, I think a lot will get done this year. Let's hope the weather is kind...

Thanks for the update Martin :)

It looks like their putting in a protective layer to prevent ground contamination. That or its some kind of floating surface to deal with possible poor drainage and mud.

I was out and about on the Oldham Line today in the course of my work and took some photos from a different viewpoint between River Irk Junction and Monsall Road.
Here goes.

The junction seen from track level.
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae333/freel07/Metrolink/P1000721.jpg

Smedley Viaduct through the mist.
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae333/freel07/Metrolink/P1000726.jpg

The start of the Oldham Rochdale line.
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae333/freel07/Metrolink/P1000749.jpg

Drivers eye view of Smedley Junction with depot lines coming in on the left.
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae333/freel07/Metrolink/P1000752.jpg

Drivers eye view leaving Queens Road Depot.
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae333/freel07/Metrolink/P1000756.jpg

Smedley Tunnel, notice how wide it is.
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae333/freel07/Metrolink/P1000761.jpg

Climbing away from the tunnel towards Monsall stop. Notice how steep the climb is. The changes in gradient are due to the need to maintain electrical clearance through the reconstructed bridges.
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae333/freel07/Metrolink/P1000763.jpg

Looking back towards Monsall Road Bridge
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae333/freel07/Metrolink/P1000777.jpg

A view of Monsall stop looking back towards the tunnel
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae333/freel07/Metrolink/P1000770.jpg

A view from Smedley up towards Central Park, again notice the gradient.
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae333/freel07/Metrolink/P1000776.jpg

Note these were all taken in the course of work under strict site rules and with appropriate safety protection in place.

Wow feel, thats an amazing update.

Thanks

Absolutely!! What is your line of work feel?? I'm jealous!! :-D

Great pics!

The more the merrier!

Surely they could have excavated a bit to smooth out all those sudden changed in gradient? I find it hard to believe that that used to be a heavy rail alignment with gradients like that, unless it is a trick of perspective.
Is the steepness such that they won't be able to run heavy rail ballast trains etc through from the Bury line when the time comes to re-lay the track ?

I don't even support City, or have an reason to go that neck of the woods, but fancy a trip over there now.

Monsall stop looks really good & they've done an excellent job restoring the bridges.

Favourite pic though is Smedley viaduct & the misty backdrop.

Great update Freel, I think that's the best so far this year :)

Brilliant snaps, Freel. Well done.

Excellent work Freel !

Some excellent pictures just in themselves Mr Free.

Really good photos, but a real sense of what the lines feel and look like. I am envious of your foto skill.

Match that Ashtonian...........................

Oldham & Rochdale Line - Oldham Mumps (Viaduct)

Thought I'd check out progress at this location since JDR's great photos a while back.

The whole viaduct bar one span which I call the South Bridge has gone, it has really opened up the area. When coming from town you see the solitary former Bank Building, then the busy Mumps Roundabout, you can see the other side of the roundabout now.

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=393283&Y=405151&A=Y&Z=106
http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/Ashtonian_photos/Metrolink/P180111_1249.jpg

http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/Ashtonian_photos/Metrolink/P180111_1250.jpg

The grand plan is to get rid of the roundabout and replace with a big T-Junction with traffic lights. The plan is to do away with the myriad of subways and replace with surface level street crossings. But for now we have to stick to the subways.
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=393306&Y=405126&A=Y&Z=106
http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/Ashtonian_photos/Metrolink/P180111_1258.jpg

Wow spoke too early....................

Oldham & Rochdale Line - Oldham Mumps (Viaduct) (Contd)

Once inside the roundabout, you can see the effect of the earthwork shift close on. Cannot get anywhere near (site of) Mumps Station because the subway has shut down.

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=393359&Y=405130&A=Y&Z=106
http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/Ashtonian_photos/Metrolink/P180111_1259.jpg

http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/Ashtonian_photos/Metrolink/P180111_1301.jpg

You can stand in the middle of the former viaduct and look at the remaining structure and realise how high the viaduct was. Remember the line must drop by this much from the side of Mumps Station
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=393394&Y=405139&A=Y&Z=106
http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/Ashtonian_photos/Metrolink/P180111_1300.jpg

Looking north from the same position:
http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/Ashtonian_photos/Metrolink/P180111_1302.jpg

Back on the outside of the roundabout, standing where the north bridge was and looking south ...
http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/Ashtonian_photos/Metrolink/P180111_1251.jpg

Walking up north from the roundabout, there are two streets on either side of the former viaduct - Bell Street and Brook Street.

View South from Bell Street
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=393396&Y=405273&A=Y&Z=106
http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/Ashtonian_photos/Metrolink/P180111_1252.jpg

View South along trackbed
http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/Ashtonian_photos/Metrolink/P180111_1253.jpg

View North from Brook Street - you can see where the metal sheets meet the stone wall - that's where the viaduct used to land on ground level.
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=393409&Y=405289&A=Y&Z=106
http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/Ashtonian_photos/Metrolink/P180111_1254.jpg

I wonder who will get the first shots of what's going on inside the compound at Mumps Station. It is so difficult to get close to it. Maybe one for our "Inside Man" (Freel) ? ;)

'Cakes Freel wins hands down because of his access and better camera quality. I have to make do with my mobile.

As ever persistent and excellent though. Cheers Ashtonian.

Its a team effort on here. All are welcomed. (bar abusive skaus trolls)

Couple of fairly uninteresting shots of the Didsbury end of the line...

Don't run yerself down Martin! Those will be historical documents (and not in the 'Galaxy Quest' way) once the work progresses and especially when there are banana's flying thru there! Bravo!:banana:

And Freel? Feel like I was standing on that trackbed with ya! More progress than I'd thought. VERY impressive!:cheers:

As for Ashtonian's piccies: dont know Oldham too well (not as well as Cleggy that's for sure!) but can really see how much the tram will open it up now, thanks - despite those pesky clouds. :-)

Pat on the back to all: it all feel's very real now and without doubt the most exciting urban rail project in Britain. Oh wait: it's the only one :ohno:, bloody brilliant anyway! MORE PLEASE!!!!

Don't run yerself down Martin! Those will be historical documents (and not in the 'Galaxy Quest' way) once the work progresses and especially when there are banana's flying thru there! Bravo!:banana:

And Freel? Feel like I was standing on that trackbed with ya! More progress than I'd thought. VERY impressive!:cheers:

As for Ashtonian's piccies: dont know Oldham too well (not as well as Cleggy that's for sure!) but can really see how much the tram will open it up now, thanks - despite those pesky clouds. :-)

Pat on the back to all: it all feel's very real now and without doubt the most exciting urban rail project in Britain. Oh wait: it's the only one :ohno:, bloody brilliant anyway! MORE PLEASE!!!!

Thanks everyone for the kind comments about the pics. My work in Light rail engineering does occasionally give me unmissable opportunities! Unfortunately I don't get out of the office often enough for my liking.

[QUOTE=Ashtonian;70909437]Oldham & Rochdale Line - Oldham Mumps (Viaduct) (Contd)

Once inside the roundabout, you can see the effect of the earthwork shift close on. Cannot get anywhere near (site of) Mumps Station because the subway has shut down.

You can stand in the middle of the former viaduct and look at the remaining structure and realise how high the viaduct was. Remember the line must drop by this much from the side of Mumps Station

Looking north from the same position:
Back on the outside of the roundabout, standing where the north bridge was and looking south ...
Walking up north from the roundabout, there are two streets on either side of the former viaduct - Bell Street and Brook Street.

View South from Bell Street

View South along trackbed
View North from Brook Street - you can see where the metal sheets meet the stone wall - that's where the viaduct used to land on ground level.]



Ashtonian nice to see the progress at Mumps, its so close to home but unfortunately I've not had chance to get over to have a look round.

Surely they could have excavated a bit to smooth out all those sudden changed in gradient? I find it hard to believe that that used to be a heavy rail alignment with gradients like that, unless it is a trick of perspective.
Is the steepness such that they won't be able to run heavy rail ballast trains etc through from the Bury line when the time comes to re-lay the track ?

I think that the small amount of telephoto I used might have exaggerated the climb. They haven't really made that much difference to what was there earlier, its the flat bits under the bridges that make it look strange. I couldn't get up to the fin back bridge but I think the climb up there would maybe stretch a heavy rail train. Any case I doubt the bridge has been built for such loads, I know the similar one at Besses o th Barn on the Bury line has a weight restriction.

Great pics Freel. Wish we could get them altogether when it's all open....

I think that the small amount of telephoto I used might have exaggerated the climb. They haven't really made that much difference to what was there earlier, its the flat bits under the bridges that make it look strange. I couldn't get up to the fin back bridge but I think the climb up there would maybe stretch a heavy rail train. Any case I doubt the bridge has been built for such loads, I know the similar one at Besses o th Barn on the Bury line has a weight restriction.

The former Cheetham Hill Loop north east out of Irk Valley Junction towards Thorpes Bridge was the flatter (less steep) route east out of Vic. - the "main line" via Platting is a lot steeper. The freight people kicked off when MVAIR proposed the closure of the Cheetham Hill loop.

The loop was only about 1 in 100, whereas Collyhurst Bank is 1 in 60 odd, IIRC

I'm guessing its a construction compound for this end of the line?

I do a fair bit of work in Geotechnics (I am actually a contaminated land consultant by trade), that looks like some form of Geogrid ground stabilization formation layer is being laid in that shot. Most probably to ensure heavy plant etc can be brought on and off site as part of the temporary works. I may be wrong, and I do recall reading on the hallowed letters page of the South manc reporter that the site adj Parrs Wood was an old allotments and was contaminated. That said the risks to construction workers would probably be negligible unless it was grossly contaminated, which I doubt looking at the site

14/01/2011 - Airport line. Relocation of Bus Stop on Sale Road

Work is underway to build the Metrolink extension to Manchester Airport. The line will leave the South Manchester line just after St Werburghs Road stop in Chorlton, and run on 14.5km (9 miles) of new track via Northern Moor, Baguley, and Wythenshawe to Manchester Airport.

As part of the advanced works to extend the Metrolink system to Manchester Airport, we will be relocating the bus stop located on Sale Road / Ossington Walk (south-east bound).

The bus stop will be relocated within 50m of the current stop towards Melsomby Road on Sale Road. Permanent kerbing and the bus bay will be installed next year.

We anticipate the Sale Road bus shelter will be removed on Friday 21st January 2011 and the bus stop relocated on Sale Road in the days following.

^^

Quite close to where I live! Must mean they are going to start clearing the route fairly soon. :banana:

^^

Quite close to where I live! Must mean they are going to start clearing the route fairly soon. :banana:

My goodness, I drove past here not 48 hours ago (Monday lunchtime) and was thinking "they're going to have to move that bus stop!"

It shows that progress is continuing apace as we tram ride towards 2016. :)

It shows that progress is continuing apace as we tram ride towards 2016. :)

A legitimate comment. Unfortunately, as progress moves into the second half of the decade, I may be riding the trams horizontally in a closed pine box.

From the Freel trackside photographs it is evident that placement of the track ballast is patchy in some areas.

When the West Coast line was entirely relaid, ballast was placed between the rails to cover the concrete sleepers, certainly in the track sections between stations, but not in tunnels.

This surprised me as I thought it would be disturbed by passing Pendolinos. This has not appreciably happened.

Turning to light rail, I am not clear what the thinking is as to the placement of between-rail ballast for a lower speed service.

Should the sleepers be visible for inspection, or covered with an even layer of ballast? Practice around the world varies.

Not entirely sure which thread to put this link on. It seems tram trains are very much still on the agenda!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/uk-england-12223482

Not entirely sure which thread to put this link on. It seems tram trains are very much still on the agenda!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/uk-england-12223482

Now that would be awesome...bringing the whole of Cheshire fully into the Manchester commuter belt. On maps our fingers of influence would reach far and wide!

Not entirely sure which thread to put this link on. It seems tram trains are very much still on the agenda!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/uk-england-12223482

Is there such thing as a high floor tram-train? Every photo of one that I have seen has been low-floor.

Aleady being discussed on the other thread. It is getting a bit difficult keeping up with all these tram threads :(.

A big thank you to both Freel and Ashton for their photographic updates amazing to see the progress!

Cheers bud.

Are there similar plans for Old Trafford.

At Milan, there are dozens of tram tracks alongside the San Siro. United have the North Car-park which could be used for a mega-tram terminus to link up with Cornbrook?

Not sure how much 500yrds of track would cost (+ road junction work) but it would make the ground very, very accessible?

Don't forget, Fly, that if they ever build the Trafford Centre/Port Salford line, Man U is intended to get its own station. This was originally going to be opposite the coach park, but the latest diagrams show it as down near Tommy Duck's on the Wharfside. Still very handy. If they do ever . . .

Hi folks

I live off Pollard Street near the Bank Of England pub, I noticed while in my garden new street lights being installed on Merrill Street . Has i needed to walk into town i decided to take my camera. At the top of Pollard Street the 1st OL supports are up about 8 of em . So i walked along the approach rd to Millinars Wharf and took a pic looking towards Merrill street when i was stopped by a MPT Security Guard who proceeded to question me has to who i was and why i was taking photos - has anyone else had this problem when taking photos . He was very rude and aggressive -When i said i was a local resident he tutted and walked off.

This caught my eye under the Oldham & Rochdale section of the Future Metrolink page.
Note: We are currently working on detailed designs for the revised Oldham Mumps stop near to the existing bus stands which includes a new park and ride facility.
Not sure how old that is, just noticed it.

One thing we can be quite certain of is Ashton line will use 1CC.

Not sure I follow your exact meaning on this, Wirle - I guess you mean Ashton running alternately to Bury and Alti, as described by Freel, who seems to have some authoritative knowledge on this?

1CC I always refer to as the city centre route taken by Alti <> Bury directs, i.e. the Northern arm of the Picc Gardens delta, colloquially known as the 'Primark Chord'.

I am wondering now if, as Freel suggests, Bury<>Alti and Chorlton<>Rochdale might actually alternate one day between 1CC and 2CC ? Interesante, and would certainly increase city centre penetration from a variety of destinations . . .:banana::banana::banana::banana:

Oldham & Rochdale Line - West of Oldham Mumps

I returned to the footbridge from where I took the photos on Monday.
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=393162&Y=404840&A=Y&Z=115

I could see a bit more from this position. There appears to be foundations for a curved track. There's a layer of geotextile (white) upon which is some dark aggregate, (Pulverised Fuel Ash - perhaps?). My guess is they're going to put ballast followed by rails onto it.

Time will tell.

http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/Ashtonian_photos/Metrolink/P190111_1411.jpg

A legitimate comment. Unfortunately, as progress moves into the second half of the decade, I may be riding the trams horizontally in a closed pine box.

From the Freel trackside photographs it is evident that placement of the track ballast is patchy in some areas.

When the West Coast line was entirely relaid, ballast was placed between the rails to cover the concrete sleepers, certainly in the track sections between stations, but not in tunnels.

This surprised me as I thought it would be disturbed by passing Pendolinos. This has not appreciably happened.

Turning to light rail, I am not clear what the thinking is as to the placement of between-rail ballast for a lower speed service.

Should the sleepers be visible for inspection, or covered with an even layer of ballast? Practice around the world varies.

Away from areas of special work such as points etc the sleepers used on the new lines are what is known as twin block sleepers. These are formed of two concrete blocks for the rail fixings connected by a steel bar. These are lighter and easier to handle than normal concrete sleepers and more than adequate for light rail use. The main areas where ballast is critical are directly under the rails for support and at sleeper ends to help stop the track moving sideways on curves. Excess ballast under the middle of sleepers can lead to instability and in extreme cases the sleeper may break its back. The use of these sleepers is the reason why on most of my photos the centre of the sleeper is invisible.

Not sure I follow your exact meaning on this, Wirle - I guess you mean Ashton running alternately to Bury and Alti, as described by Freel, who seems to have some authoritative knowledge on this?

1CC I always refer to as the city centre route taken by Alti <> Bury directs, i.e. the Northern arm of the Picc Gardens delta, colloquially known as the 'Primark Chord'.

I am wondering now if, as Freel suggests, Bury<>Alti and Chorlton<>Rochdale might actually alternate one day between 1CC and 2CC ? Interesante, and would certainly increase city centre penetration from a variety of destinations . . .:banana::banana::banana::banana:

I think he means whether it goes to Bury, Altrincham, Eccles or anywhere else it will still have to physically pass through 1cc.

Away from areas of special work such as points etc the sleepers used on the new lines are what is known as twin block sleepers. These are formed of two concrete blocks for the rail fixings connected by a steel bar. These are lighter and easier to handle than normal concrete sleepers and more than adequate for light rail use. The main areas where ballast is critical are directly under the rails for support and at sleeper ends to help stop the track moving sideways on curves. Excess ballast under the middle of sleepers can lead to instability and in extreme cases the sleeper may break its back. The use of these sleepers is the reason why on most of my photos the centre of the sleeper is invisible.

Thank you for the clarification of sleeper design: nevertheless, in some places the steel sleeper bar is visible, and in others it is not, indicating a deeper covering of ballast between the rails there.

Not sure I follow your exact meaning on this, Wirle - I guess you mean Ashton running alternately to Bury and Alti, as described by Freel, who seems to have some authoritative knowledge on this?

1CC I always refer to as the city centre route taken by Alti <> Bury directs, i.e. the Northern arm of the Picc Gardens delta, colloquially known as the 'Primark Chord'.

I am wondering now if, as Freel suggests, Bury<>Alti and Chorlton<>Rochdale might actually alternate one day between 1CC and 2CC ? Interesante, and would certainly increase city centre penetration from a variety of destinations . . .:banana::banana::banana::banana:

I do have to stress that the idea of alternating Bury - Altrincham and East Didsbury - Rochdale/Shaw services between 1 & 2 CC is pure speculation on my part. I am certain that 2CC is set for the Airport to Victoria service at the moment. The Bury and Altrincham to Ashton day time services are certainly in the plan for Phase 3A/B. The off peak was suggested as being Eccles to Bury via Piccadilly and Altrincham to Ashton via Piccadilly or Eccles to Ashton and Bury to Altrincham as now both via Piccadilly I can't remember which though.

Thank you for the clarification of sleeper design: nevertheless, in some places the steel sleeper bar is visible, and in others it is not, indicating a deeper covering of ballast between the rails there.

Most of the new track still needs final tamping and ballast dressing so I would imagine the final result will be a bit tidier. One area needing attention on DC traction railways/tramways is that ballast should be kept as clear as possible of the rails to avoid return current leaking into earth. This is something that sometimes gets missed in follow up maintenance.

Is there such thing as a high floor tram-train? Every photo of one that I have seen has been low-floor.

I don't think that any of the main stream European manufacturers produce a high floor tram train. One reason my be that most tramways use low floor cars now and also many European railways use a lower platform anyway. I may be wrong about this but all the ones I have seen are low floor.

Ashton and Freel, I am loving those pictures of Monsall and Oldham - so gobsmacked I came over all unnecessary!!

Interesting that they seem to have lowered the ground in places to get the headroom for OHLE. I think, yes, the zoom has probably exaggerated the effect, but it makes for an interesting ride and hopefully it will not have an adverse effect on line speed.

I have heard idle talk in the past that for the same reason (height of OHLE), the temporary line through Werneth tunnels might have to be single. However, more expert opinion tells me there is plenty of room, if a double track and OH is felt to be worthwhile for such a short period.

Monsall will be a fascinating alignment to travel through in any event, especially when we get that little bit further beyond Central Park, and over the twisting finback bridge at Thorpes' Road. And thankfully, due to the forward (and rear) vision afforded by trams, we will be able to admire what I consider to be an excellent bit of design & craftmanship, namely the 'equilateral curve' brick edging to the arches over the wide portals - very stylish and elegant imho:-

http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae333/freel07/Metrolink/P1000763.jpg

http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae333/freel07/Metrolink/P1000776.jpg

Hi folks

I live off Pollard Street near the Bank Of England pub, I noticed while in my garden new street lights being installed on Merrill Street . Has i needed to walk into town i decided to take my camera. At the top of Pollard Street the 1st OL supports are up about 8 of em . So i walked along the approach rd to Millinars Wharf and took a pic looking towards Merrill street when i was stopped by a MPT Security Guard who proceeded to question me has to who i was and why i was taking photos - has anyone else had this problem when taking photos . He was very rude and aggressive -When i said i was a local resident he tutted and walked off.

Hi Sparky & welcome!

Well, hush my timbers, I was in that very spot to-day - it seems to be the luck of the draw what workmen you get, as mine were quite helpful! They told me that the barricade in front of the Mitchell Arms (Holt Town) is coming down hopefully tomorrow, and the other day said they were trying to get the line open as far as Man City for the football season (unless they were bulling - wind-ups are not unknown in this situation - but they seemed genuine!!).

Anyway, here are my pix, firstly the high platforms of New Islington station :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/100_9629.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/100_9632.jpg

These are what I believe to be the first OHLE supports on the Droylsden line :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/100_9633.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/100_9634.jpg

Some more shots further East, to complement those posted by Local Lad a few days ago - the high platforms at Holt Town, taken from the frontage of the Mitchell Arms. This station will be on quite a slope :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/100_9636.jpg

The bridge over the River Medlock, looking back West :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/100_9639.jpg

Approaching Man City - this line will also have several changes of grade and direction :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/100_9640.jpg

Canalside Crossing, looking from Ashton New Road towards Clayton, including the canal lock & 2 levels (sorry, this can only be taken from the top of a bus - I had to remove the colour to eliminate massive orange blobs reflected from the seat grabs!) :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/100_9621.jpg

A couple of Abraham Moss on the Bury line. Will it be open by Feb 28? :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/100_9626.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/100_9623.jpg

Tram on test :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/100_9627.jpg

Work till you're muscle-bound, all night long !

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/100_9648.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/100_9632.jpg

Phowar. Love that shot.

Excellent pics & always appreciated JdR.

Particularly looking forward to this stretch opening & perhaps having a pint in Droylsden :)

Amazing photos JDR. This thread is reaching another level of epicness!

Mark O, surely this is a great idea for a book???

Amazing photos JDR. This thread is reaching another level of epicness!

Mark O, surely this is a great idea for a book???

I agree.

There's a couple of books out there already on earlier Metrolink development but I've been gradually amassing material over the years (though JdR and Watcher, among others, seem to have some deep drawers of archives too:cheers:) with this kind of thing in mind. And I was contemplating that very issue when looking at the latest batch of first class images above^^

What might be really fascinating could be a kind of online-collective-book using material from all SSC and other contributors who would allow it and published either online or theoretically printed/sold too. Not sure if this has ever been tried before (probably has in America, though certainly never before for a transport subject ASAIK), but I would be happy to offer my services to help co-ordinate/maybe do some of the layout/talk to GMPTE Towers etc. :-)

Real question would be the market - notice from Wirlies poll (if you excuse the expression:lol:) that there's around 50 active posters on here. If that's the total market interested in buying a book of these great events...well you can probably do the maths...but I don't doubt there are several hundred if not a few thousand round the world who might fork out for a nicely done ouvrage on the subject, especially if it came out in time for completion of current phases.

Anyone else any thoughts?

Hi folks

I live off Pollard Street near the Bank Of England pub, I noticed while in my garden new street lights being installed on Merrill Street . Has i needed to walk into town i decided to take my camera. At the top of Pollard Street the 1st OL supports are up about 8 of em . So i walked along the approach rd to Millinars Wharf and took a pic looking towards Merrill street when i was stopped by a MPT Security Guard who proceeded to question me has to who i was and why i was taking photos - has anyone else had this problem when taking photos . He was very rude and aggressive -When i said i was a local resident he tutted and walked off.

That's an unfortunate case, sparky. Incidentally, on Saturday I had an MPT vehicle sound its horn at me as it exited the Central Park compound (Monsall Rd), while I was taking a photo over the bridge. Trust me, it was not done as a friendly gesture.

Not so harrowing as your incident, but still unnecessary. If anything else occurs I'd urge you to put the experience in writing, preferably to Metrolink. We aren't exactly doing them a disservice...


...on a lighter note, I'm hugely impressed by the photo gems from the last few days. This is turning out to be one hell of an archive!

Real question would be the market

I once had a book about the Jubilee Line Extension. Admittedly it was more about the design of the stations but its a similar theme.

Also Len Grant (http://www.lengrant.co.uk/) has written loads of books on Mancunian construction projects. I think there must be a market for this type of thing. Obviously someone with more of a bussiness brain than me might want to prove it.

Amazon sells books on almost any subject you can think of, this would be one of the less wacky ones.


This is turning out to be one hell of an archive!

This website has been hacked before and many years worth of theads, such as the construction of the Gherkin and the earlier stages of our very own Beetham have been lost for ever.
I'd hate for such a thing to happen again.

That's an unfortunate case, sparky. Incidentally, on Saturday I had an MPT vehicle sound its horn at me as it exited the Central Park compound (Monsall Rd), while I was taking a photo over the bridge. Trust me, it was not done as a friendly gesture.

Not so harrowing as your incident, but still unnecessary. If anything else occurs I'd urge you to put the experience in writing, preferably to Metrolink. We aren't exactly doing them a disservice...


...on a lighter note, I'm hugely impressed by the photo gems from the last few days. This is turning out to be one hell of an archive!

Wearing an orange fluorescent executive vest - available on ebay in various sizes for 6 GBP - coupled with rigger boots, can help remove hostility.

I agree.

There's a couple of books out there already on earlier Metrolink development but I've been gradually amassing material over the years (though JdR and Watcher, among others, seem to have some deep drawers of archives too:cheers:) with this kind of thing in mind. And I was contemplating that very issue when looking at the latest batch of first class images above^^

What might be really fascinating could be a kind of online-collective-book using material from all SSC and other contributors who would allow it and published either online or theoretically printed/sold too. Not sure if this has ever been tried before (probably has in America, though certainly never before for a transport subject ASAIK), but I would be happy to offer my services to help co-ordinate/maybe do some of the layout/talk to GMPTE Towers etc. :-)

Real question would be the market - notice from Wirlies poll (if you excuse the expression:lol:) that there's around 50 active posters on here. If that's the total market interested in buying a book of these great events...well you can probably do the maths...but I don't doubt there are several hundred if not a few thousand round the world who might fork out for a nicely done ouvrage on the subject, especially if it came out in time for completion of current phases.

Anyone else any thoughts?

Photo archives have a habit of being erased by administrators. I am now storing documents on Amazon high dependency S3 servers, which quote only one storage failure in every 10 million years. Cost so far is 83p per month, including Singapore tax.

I am actually working on a book at the moment. I will probably self publish it. It is not about the Metrolink but it will certainly be a small feature of the book.

Posted on the Blue Moon/Las Vegas thread. About the 3 seperate proposals(leisure destination, training complex and stadium expansion) for the Sports City site and surrounding area.

not my fault

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12223482

This is just Cheshire East looking for investment. This would be years away if it was to happen, not least in developing a tram to run on railway line. The metrolink is going to great in a couple of years though, reliability will vastly improve.

I thought they already have trams running on railway lines all the way to Bury.

They do! I was at a meeting at the New Chorlton Depot today and part of the extension to the Airport will be built on existing lines. Part of the Oldham/Rochdale line is on old railway lines so.... Also just to keep you updated, part of the Oldham line will go live by the end of Feb. Chorlton gets handed over this Friday and part is already live now. City's stop will be done and running by September (This has been confirmed on here already I think?) and they will be no delays whatsoever so we are told. I will try and get a copy of the map/plan of routes for this thread, not all the routes are shown on the Metrolink website by the way! Some are being kept quiet for now as funding is not confirmed but I'd be suprised if they didnt happen. Cant think of stations right now but like I say I'll see if I can get a plan off them.

JRB, what date?

Amazing photos JDR. This thread is reaching another level of epicness!

Mark O, surely this is a great idea for a book???

I was thinking of making a website with a sort of photo timeline for each area of development.... maybe like hover dates to see the photos hover over?? I would most probably copy the images from this site to my server to help loading times (with the uploaders permission obv) what do you reckon to that? A lot cheaper than the idea of publishing a book I suppose.

[QUOTE=Johnny de Rivative;70967635]Hi Sparky & welcome!

Well, hush my timbers, I was in that very spot to-day - it seems to be the luck of the draw what workmen you get, as mine were quite helpful! They told me that the barricade in front of the Mitchell Arms (Holt Town) is coming down hopefully tomorrow, and the other day said they were trying to get the line open as far as Man City for the football season (unless they were bulling - wind-ups are not unknown in this situation - but they seemed genuine!!).

Anyway, here are my pix, firstly the high platforms of New Islington station :-

These are what I believe to be the first OHLE supports on the Droylsden line :-

Some more shots further East, to complement those posted by Local Lad a few days ago - the high platforms at Holt Town, taken from the frontage of the Mitchell Arms. This station will be on quite a slope :-

The bridge over the River Medlock, looking back West :-

Approaching Man City - this line will also have several changes of grade and direction :-


Canalside Crossing, looking from Ashton New Road towards Clayton, including the canal lock & 2 levels (sorry, this can only be taken from the top of a bus - I had to remove the colour to eliminate massive orange blobs reflected from the seat grabs!) :-


A couple of Abraham Moss on the Bury line. Will it be open by Feb 28? :-


Tram on test :-

Work till you're muscle-bound, all night long !

Another great set Johnny I am looking forward to trams up to Ashton where I live. Especially since the progress beyond Droylsden has started. Nice to see the OLE poles going up.

That's an unfortunate case, sparky. Incidentally, on Saturday I had an MPT vehicle sound its horn at me as it exited the Central Park compound (Monsall Rd), while I was taking a photo over the bridge. Trust me, it was not done as a friendly gesture.

Not so harrowing as your incident, but still unnecessary. If anything else occurs I'd urge you to put the experience in writing, preferably to Metrolink. We aren't exactly doing them a disservice...


...on a lighter note, I'm hugely impressed by the photo gems from the last few days. This is turning out to be one hell of an archive!

Its a shame that a few jobs worths spoil things for genuinely interested people who have no intention of trying to gain access to site. I guess that's part of the problem in some of the areas they are working there are more than enough folk trying to gain access for the purposes of removing things of value and causing damage, so they just treat everyone as though the have criminal intent. Once the OLE is up it becomes a free for all for the scrap thieves.

Its a shame that a few jobs worths spoil things for genuinely interested people who have no intention of trying to gain access to site. I guess that's part of the problem in some of the areas they are working there are more than enough folk trying to gain access for the purposes of removing things of value and causing damage, so they just treat everyone as though the have criminal intent. Once the OLE is up it becomes a free for all for the scrap thieves.

Its almost embarrassing how low some people will stoop for metal. The company I work for deals with covert CCTV. We have some cameras on a waste disposal site which gets absolutely rinsed, every night by pikeys.... its a waste tip for gods sake. So bare that in mind if guards get a bit twitchy if you're taking photos of nice new shiny metal!!

All brilliant photos gentlemen! I shall be out and about soon with my camera.

I do have to stress that the idea of alternating Bury - Altrincham and East Didsbury - Rochdale/Shaw services between 1 & 2 CC is pure speculation on my part. I am certain that 2CC is set for the Airport to Victoria service at the moment. The Bury and Altrincham to Ashton day time services are certainly in the plan for Phase 3A/B. The off peak was suggested as being Eccles to Bury via Piccadilly and Altrincham to Ashton via Piccadilly or Eccles to Ashton and Bury to Altrincham as now both via Piccadilly I can't remember which though.

The alternating is a nice idea in principle, but as the Bury-Alt is a 12 minute frequency it would really annoy travellers who would have to wait up to 24minutes at a station, especially as it is not a timetabled service. A 6 Minute frequency alternating would work well.

However, Cornbrook and Victoria will become major interchanges where hopefully you will be able to hop off a 1CC routed tram to find the next one is a 2CC routed tram with only a short wait.

I got a nice letter in the post today from metrolink explaining about the airport line, included a nice A3 size map of the route, makes you realise what a feat the line will be! They must have sent out hundreds of these letters to people who live on the proposed route :-)

I got a nice letter in the post today from metrolink explaining about the airport line, included a nice A3 size map of the route, makes you realise what a feat the line will be! They must have sent out hundreds of these letters to people who live on the proposed route :-)

Any chance of a scan, please?

Hi

I took this picture on Tuesday at Oldham Werneth rail station was

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5090/5373234384_3f16627c8b_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/metrolink_work/5373234384/)

Hi

I found this on Oldham Council talking about Traffic diversions and which way to travel into Oldham Town centre

http://www.oldham.gov.uk/mumps_traffic
http://www.oldham.gov.uk/mumps_diversion_large.gif

also anyone who what to go to Oldham Town Centre on Friday evening, Saturday and Sunday on Buses here link of which way the buses are going into Oldham.

http://www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/greater_manchester/travel_news/service_updates/?item=1581&conf=1

It may be that they've been on before and I have not noticed but tonight the platform and stair lights were on at Chorlton Station.

Anyone else any thoughts?
Something like this maybe? (http://bookshop.blackwell.co.uk/jsp/editorial/browse/espresso.jsp)

Any chance of a scan, please?

It wasn't that exciting, it was basically word for word what is written on their website, the bit that contains the part about the trees on mauldeth road not being part of this phase of the work :-)

Any chance of a scan, please?

I don't know if this has been mentioned already, but I found this on the Metrolink site:

You are invited to come and meet the Metrolink team and find out more about the extension to Manchester Airport at the following information events where you are welcome to drop in at your convenience.

Tuesday 25th January,4pm to 7pm, St Barnabas Church, Corner of Hardy Lane and Hurstville Road, Chorlton, Manchester M21 8DH

Wednesday 26th January, 4pm to 7pm , The Manchester Health Academy, Moor Road, Wythenshawe, M23 9BP

Tuesday 1st February, 4pm to 7pm , Norbrook Youth Club, Bordley Walk, Wythenshawe, M23 9BP

Tuesday 8th February, 4pm to 7pm , Royal Oak Community Centre, Brookcott Road, Wythenshawe, M23 1DY

Wednesday 9th February, 3pm to 7pm, Wythenshawe Forum, Forum Square, M22 5RF

Tuesday 15th February, 4pm to 7pm ,Benchill Community Centre, Benchill Road, Wythenshawe, M22 8EJ

Wednesday 16th February, 3pm to 7pm, Wythenshawe Forum, Forum Square, M22 5RF

Tuesday 22nd February 4pm to 7pm , St Elizabeths Church Hall, Holliney Road (corner with Lomond Road), Peel Hall, M22 5JF.

The venues for our events have disabled parking and wheelchair access. If you need to know anything further about accessibility, please contact us on 0161 244 1555.

If anyone happens to be in those areas, give one a visit, perhaps? I'll try to make that Hardy Lane venue as it's on my route home from work.

Jrb, that post made for pretty interesting reading - although by 'handover' they certainly don't mean revenue service. Nevertheless, it's likely that testing will be stepped up in Chorlton from Friday, with Central Park following suit from March. So far it's just been gauge clearance (I think?), but once driver training kicks in, who knows how frequent the sightings could be...?

I wonder if St. Werburgh's could ever join the network by Feb 28th?? It's ambitious, but then you could potentially get Mosley Street and Woodlands Rd closed, plus the new spur opened in sync with Abraham Moss, all in the same day. At the very least, it means that map and tram announcement changes can all be done at once rather than be left to fall behind (after all, there are still trams announcing the 'G-Mex' stop...)

Chorlton Bloke, I hadn't seen the lights on before, good spot. Be sure to look out for tram lights too :)

I'm going to go to the Hardy Lane meeting! Someone come too!! :-D

http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae333/freel07/Metrolink/P1000763.jpg

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Hello everyone. These pics are brilliant and I like the finish but can someone please explain to this thicko why they have done this. The bridges were already there, so why have they turned them into (mini tunnels)??

Hello everyone. These pics are brilliant and I like the finish but can someone please explain to this thicko why they have done this. The bridges were already there, so why have they turned them into (mini tunnels)??

For earlier in the thread...

These bridges were judged likely to fail. The simple remedy was to pour concrete, presumably with reinforcing bars in situ, and form an archway underneath.

I was surprised that the arches have been enclosed in brickwork.

For earlier in the thread...

These bridges were judged likely to fail. The simple remedy was to pour concrete, presumably with reinforcing bars in situ, and form an archway underneath.

I was surprised that the arches have been enclosed in brickwork.

im guessing the vibrations from the line returning to use would be too much for those old creaking things.

im guessing the vibrations from the line returning to use would be too much for those old creaking things.

Can't be worse than the vibrations from cars and busses passing over them thousands of times a day?

Can't be worse than the vibrations from cars and busses passing over them thousands of times a day?

well for a layman it would seem that a loading on the bridge must be worse for it than vibrations under it, but there must be some reason for them to do it. maybe it is a combination of vibrations near the foundations and loading above that is too much for the bridge to handle.

I think it was previously stated that it was just a cheap way of extending the lives of the bridges. I don't think it was implied that the trams would cause them problems directly. If the vibration from a tram could cause catastrophic failure then I'm sure the loading from a bus would as well.

I'm going to go to the Hardy Lane meeting! Someone come too!! :-D

I might pop in on my way back from work too :)

I think it was previously stated that it was just a cheap way of extending the lives of the bridges. I don't think it was implied that the trams would cause them problems directly. If the vibration from a tram could cause catastrophic failure then I'm sure the loading from a bus would as well.

I believeit was the condition of the steelwork, corrosion etc, that meant they were in danger of failing. The risk was from the loading on the road above. The corrugated steel tubing shown in earlier posts is used fairly frequently to form an inner skin for culverts etc and is then back filled evenly on each side to form a solid mass. In this case concrete was used. The brickwork is merely cosmetic to cover the otherwise bare concrete.

I believeit was the condition of the steelwork, corrosion etc, that meant they were in danger of failing. The risk was from the loading on the road above. The corrugated steel tubing shown in earlier posts is used fairly frequently to form an inner skin for culverts etc and is then back filled evenly on each side to form a solid mass. In this case concrete was used. The brickwork is merely cosmetic to cover the otherwise bare concrete.

I saw those pictures earlier in one of the threads but it was just a skin and at the time ectually thought that was to be the finish.:nuts:

Wonder what colour the metal panels on the bridge will be painted. Are they being painted , I would hope so?

On another note as someone else has pointed out there is a working site next to Princess Parkway near to the badly named Withington stop. On the bridge above there is a sign put up by Manchester City Council saying it was a bridge painting scheme and this made me wonder for ages as it's all brick and stone. I take it they mean the metal girders underneath is what is to be painted and not the bricks above...:bash:

........near to the badly named Withington stop.......

You are invited to come and meet the Metrolink team and find out more about the extension to Manchester Airport at the following information events where you are welcome to drop in at your convenience



Could be the chance for those who believe Withington Stop is badly named to have a conversation with the people who decide these things. They changed Chorlton High to St Whatisname quite recently (and at probably little to no cost) so there is still plenty of time to get Withington renamed.

Could be the chance for those who believe Withington Stop is badly named to have a conversation with the people who decide these things. They changed Chorlton High to St Whatisname quite recently (and at probably little to no cost) so there is still plenty of time to get Withington renamed.

IMHO I see no reason why it can't be changed to Princess Parkway & Burton Road, renamed Withington.

For people from outside the city, road names don't really mean a great deal, so calling the stop by the area it resides in makes much more sense.

I wouldn't have gone for St Werburgh's Rd either. A lot of people don't even know how to pronounce it properly, let alone spell it. Would have been more apt to have gone with Chorlton South / Whalley Range.

I saw those pictures earlier in one of the threads but it was just a skin and at the time ectually thought that was to be the finish.:nuts:

Wonder what colour the metal panels on the bridge will be painted. Are they being painted , I would hope so?

The finish I saw on Tuesday at the bridges I photographed is two tone grey as in the photos. That seem to be the final finish. Possibly better than using the bright yellow thats on the trams. Its a matter of taste I suppose.

On another note as someone else has pointed out there is a working site next to Princess Parkway near to the badly named Withington stop. On the bridge above there is a sign put up by Manchester City Council saying it was a bridge painting scheme and this made me wonder for ages as it's all brick and stone. I take it they mean the metal girders underneath is what is to be painted and not the bricks above...:bash:

motortownman on the chorlton line where it passes under manchester road the nice brick walls along the bridge have been removed and replaced with some sheets of metal that have been painted a lovely shade of green must be some reason for it but i cant think why this would be done

motortownman on the chorlton line where it passes under manchester road the nice brick walls along the bridge have been removed and replaced with some sheets of metal that have been painted a lovely shade of green must be some reason for it but i cant think why this would be done

This bridge was completely rebuilt a few years ago, before Metrolink construction started. The whole bridge deck and parapets were replaced, and brick parapets are just not used these days.

Andrew

motortownman on the chorlton line where it passes under manchester road the nice brick walls along the bridge have been removed and replaced with some sheets of metal that have been painted a lovely shade of green must be some reason for it but i cant think why this would be done

It didn't have brick parapets, instead it had an open mesh wire fence, probably not substantial enough to protect the trams.

The solid green side of the Manchester Road bridge has now been daubed with graffiti, greeting everyone who crosses the bridge. I really hate graffiti, should cut the little bleeders' hands off!

It's really not a good idea to have large plain surfaces of one colour - what was wrong with how it was before i.e. wire meshing? Nowhere near as tempting for graffiti "artists", was there some kind of health and safety issue with wire meshing?

Hiya Folks

Following on from my post of the 19th Jan and the issue with security gaurd i decided to go up the road to Pollard Street and got speaking to one of the MPT workers . He was totally opposite to the bad attitude of the security guard, freindly and answered my questions. I asked how things were proceeding . He said they are aiming to get the construction work upto Asda finished for April/May and then the cosmetic work on stations , landscaping done during May and June . And testing of trams during summer for an Aug/Sept start for the new footie season . He also explained that there had been problems with the cement mix that holds the rails in place on the curve ouside the Bank Of England which had meant the track had to be removed and the concrete changed. And that this was ok now .
Maybe the security guard could learn a few things from this guy as the local residents are putting up with alot of noise and muck and inconvience .Not that this bothers me off course, cos i am enjoying watching the development and cant wait to see the flying :banana: from my back garden . :).

^^

Glad you had a better response this time. :)

An image I hadn't seen before, so I thought I would post it. Taken from the 'the rail engineer' that I think Watcher posted a link to the other week.

Good Piece on the Metrolink in Octobers issue if anyone fancies a read...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/Geeves8612/ChorltonGSJ.jpg

Drivers eye view going under the mainline at Trafford Bar on the Chorlton line.

http://content.yudu.com/Library/A1p9rx/RailEngineerOct2010/resources/index.htm?referrerUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.yudu.com%2Fitem%2Fdetails%2F223455%2FRail_Engineer_Oct_2010

See page 28.

An image I hadn't seen before, so I thought I would post it. Taken from the 'the rail engineer' that I think Watcher posted a link to the other week.

Good Piece on the Metrolink in Octobers issue if anyone fancies a read...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/Geeves8612/ChorltonGSJ.jpg

Drivers eye view going under the mainline at Trafford Bar on the Chorlton line.

absolutely class picture that local lad. reminds me of some of the rail tour pictures i have seen of the old heavy rail stretch after throstle's nest junction from the early 80s.

motortownman on the chorlton line where it passes under manchester road the nice brick walls along the bridge have been removed and replaced with some sheets of metal that have been painted a lovely shade of green must be some reason for it but i cant think why this would be done
Hi manclad, its a different bridge I think. The one I mean is on

Princess Road next to the "Withington" stop. I know the one you mean though and wonder why the metal netting wasn't retained as they have it at Ladywell in Eccles and there hasn't been a problem. The green metal is fine apart from as someone said being covered in graffitti.

An image I hadn't seen before, so I thought I would post it. Taken from the 'the rail engineer' that I think Watcher posted a link to the other week.

Good Piece on the Metrolink in Octobers issue if anyone fancies a read...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/Geeves8612/ChorltonGSJ.jpg

Drivers eye view going under the mainline at Trafford Bar on the Chorlton line.

http://content.yudu.com/Library/A1p9rx/RailEngineerOct2010/resources/index.htm?referrerUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.yudu.com%2Fitem%2Fdetails%2F223455%2FRail_Engineer_Oct_2010

See page 28.

Another fascinating picture that, Local. I love the Hopper-esque and sinister "dark void" up ahead (it used to be the old line leading to Trafford Park), which the tram will zip away from at the last minute, a bit like a ghost train. This again is a type of view which you could never see on heavy rail, but on a tram we will be able to be kids once again, pretending to be the driver around all these dips and curves and escarpments!

The article itself is also brilliant. Explains what people have been asking about the equi-curve portals at Smedley, and indeed what a lot Mr Purdy has actually got on his plate - no wonder it is taking a while to sort it all out . . .

Hi manclad, its a different bridge I think. The one I mean is on

Princess Road next to the "Withington" stop. I know the one you mean though and wonder why the metal netting wasn't retained as they have it at Ladywell in Eccles and there hasn't been a problem. The green metal is fine apart from as someone said being covered in graffitti.

If the bridge is the one over Manchester Road the parapets would have to be raised and have anti climb capping fitted hence the removal of the original metal barriers. This mainly because of the use of 750V Dc OLE. As for Ladywell from memory the open type of fencing is parallel to the tramway and in such a position as to make it almost impossible to gain access to the wires. The bridge parapets are solid where they pass over the wires.

An image I hadn't seen before, so I thought I would post it. Taken from the 'the rail engineer' that I think Watcher posted a link to the other week.

Good Piece on the Metrolink in Octobers issue if anyone fancies a read...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/Geeves8612/ChorltonGSJ.jpg

Drivers eye view going under the mainline at Trafford Bar on the Chorlton line.

http://content.yudu.com/Library/A1p9rx/RailEngineerOct2010/resources/index.htm?referrerUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.yudu.com%2Fitem%2Fdetails%2F223455%2FRail_Engineer_Oct_2010

See page 28.

I did see that article but didn't clock the significance of the photo. It's an excellent view of the old route opened up by the tramway. It's a shame they haven't tidied the old abandoned route up by bricking the bridge opening up. The pile of spoil looks a bit scrappy.

Makes you realise the true extent of the works!

"Around 85 of the existing bridges were refurbished, 4 redudant bridges were demolished, 7 needed to be redecked with 8 requireing significant strengthening works and that just 3A!

I did see that article but didn't clock the significance of the photo. It's an excellent view of the old route opened up by the tramway. It's a shame they haven't tidied the old abandoned route up by bricking the bridge opening up. The pile of spoil looks a bit scrappy.

is it significant that they havent or are they just saving a few bob? they didnt have to brick over those arches in monsall but they still did.

is it significant that they havent or are they just saving a few bob? they didnt have to brick over those arches in monsall but they still did.

Could it be that the arch is not their property?

Or theyve left it for snagging.

Possible but a b awful spot to be working when the line's commissioned.

Possible but a b awful spot to be working when the line's commissioned.

Wouldn't it be a hoot if they boarded it up, painted it yellow ,put an old fashioned finger pointing towards the right and upwards, a picture of a tram and a slogan saying "Frequent electric trams to the City"...:lol::lol:

Well? Why not?:lol:

absolutely class picture that local lad. reminds me of some of the rail tour pictures i have seen of the old heavy rail stretch after throstle's nest junction from the early 80s.

Gdogg, where did you see those photos? Ive always been completely fascinated by this old heavy rail stretch..!!

IMHO I see no reason why it can't be changed to Princess Parkway & Burton Road, renamed Withington.

For people from outside the city, road names don't really mean a great deal, so calling the stop by the area it resides in makes much more sense.


Burton Road is widely viewed at the high street in West Didsbury. Personally I view anything south of the Burton Road stop as West Didsbury and anything north as Withington. In reality the small strip of shops to the north (hopefully regenerated by the met stop) will be viewed by most as west didsbury. In fact they probably are now.

Calling this stop Withington would perhaps be less wrong than the proposed, but still very wrong. Everyone would think they are in the centre of Withington when they are in fact in West Didsbury.

Princess Parkway would be the ideal name for the Withington Stop as it's supposed to be an interchange with buses (Burton Road station is named well IMO). Technically though it's Princess Road. Whilst less intuitive than Parkway it'd still be an improvement Withington.

Calling it Princess Parkway would be just as confusing as anything else.

It didn't have brick parapets, instead it had an open mesh wire fence, probably not substantial enough to protect the trams.

i seem to remeber there being a brick parapet which was replaced by the mesh because i thought great we will be able to see the trams as they as pass under then being a tad disappointed when the green sheeting was put over it but i could be wrong

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/Geeves8612/ChorltonGSJ.jpg

Drivers eye view going under the mainline at Trafford Bar on the Chorlton line.

Great photo that is Local.

If this bricked up tunnel has a line which leads out to trafford park, where in TP does it go to? Could it be feasible to reuse & possibly run a new line out to the Trafford Centre & then back along the original proposed route to Pomona (so a bit of a loop almost)?

:)

Gdogg, where did you see those photos? Ive always been completely fascinated by this old heavy rail stretch..!!

http://neilsrailwayphotos.fotopic.net/c1513569.html

enjoy!

Great photo that is Local.

If this bricked up tunnel has a line which leads out to trafford park, where in TP does it go to? Could it be feasible to reuse & possibly run a new line out to the Trafford Centre & then back along the original proposed route to Pomona (so a bit of a loop almost)?
pictured here would need
:)

Here's a map I drew

http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt26/The_Gerbil_of_SSC/throstlenestjunct.png

Just joins the current railway line in a big junction. Also, a lot of this link is gone now.

For possible reuse, maybe could do a connection allowing Chorlton->Salford Quays trams, but the junction pictured (which they've just built) would need substantially re-working, and you'd need to cross the Manchester ship canal and the railway somehow. Probably a while off until things like this are considered.

Great photo that is Local.

If this bricked up tunnel has a line which leads out to trafford park, where in TP does it go to? Could it be feasible to reuse & possibly run a new line out to the Trafford Centre & then back along the original proposed route to Pomona (so a bit of a loop almost)?

:)

its impossible to ever reinstate that line now. i was just playing devils advocate to be honest with you. very little remains of the old alignment any longer. the line passes through the tunnel you see in the photograph, briefly emerges into a clearing (which can still be seen from talbot road if anyone is interested) the goes under talbot road via another tunnel, that is most probably filled with earth.

when the line has active it used to curve around the edge of chester house (the gmp headquarters) in a cutting. this section has now been infilled and a gmp car park extension built. it then went under chester road in another tunnel (the bridge parapits are still there...you wouldnt even notice them unless you knew what used to be there) before emerging at the site of throstle's nest junction.

this was a triangular junction allowing a connection into either the city centre or towards liverpool via what was know as trafford park east junction. again this has now been infilled and is currently the location of an audi garage. the remaining space adjacent to the clc line has been filled with the turnback for the electrified commuter trains that run from deansgate to macclesfield and alderly edge. again if you know what you are looking for you can just make out the former alignment of the tracks, but none of the original brick work remains.

to further complicate the creation of a metrolink loop of any kind is the construction of the old trafford bypass in the mid 1990s and the fact that even if the old alignment was in place a grade seperated crossing of the clc line AND the adjacent road that runs through pomona docks would be required to reach the reserved route of the trafford centre line, should that ever be built.

Thank you Gerbil & Gdogg for your detailed responses :)

Thank you Gerbil & Gdogg for your detailed responses :)

besides, when you pass that infilled tunnel it will only take 2 or 3 minutes to reach cornbrook interchange, so unless their is an off the scale increase in useage, the cost vs benefits of it will always be waited towards people changing trams for a west bound metrolink service.

Thanks Gdogg!

Is the 8th photo on that page one of the tunnels shown on your map above..? Do you know which one?

I think that tunnel is where the left hand branch of the junction goes under Chester Road. Picture taken from the North.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/Geeves8612/ChorltonGSJ.jpg

Drivers eye view going under the mainline at Trafford Bar on the Chorlton line.



I note the change of track bed under the bridge. Sleepers are present, apparently set into a concrete base. I have not seen this in other photographs.

Is this configuration used elsewhere, and what is its purpose?

I think that tunnel is where the left hand branch of the junction goes under Chester Road. Picture taken from the North.

yes i would have to agree that it is the one under chester road. i looks pretty open on this side of the tunnel, but then appears to be in a steeply sided cutting on the other side (which would be the section next to chester house).

also someone private messaged me these a while ago. you might all find them interesting.

http://www.trafford.gov.uk/content/t...p?ImageID=6146

http://www.trafford.gov.uk/content/t...p?ImageID=2071



edit: ah bugger the links no longer work. never mind.

I note the change of track bed under the bridge. Sleepers are present, apparently set into a concrete base. I have not seen this in other photographs.

Is this configuration used elsewhere, and what is its purpose?

The concrete slab track is used in these areas of tight clearances to ensure that the clearances are maintained. There is similar construction under Cheetham Hill Road bridge at Victoria for similar reasons. Track has a tendency to move slightly on tight curves and this makes maintenance of clearances hard.
The use of embedded sleepers as they appear to be here means that the rail fixings are easy to release for replacement of worn rail. Some other fixing systems have been found lacking in rigidity.

also someone private messaged me these a while ago. you might all find them interesting.

http://www.trafford.gov.uk/content/t...p?ImageID=6146

http://www.trafford.gov.uk/content/t...p?ImageID=2071



edit: ah bugger the links no longer work. never mind.

Youve only coppied the abbreviation not the whole link.

The concrete slab track is used in these areas of tight clearances to ensure that the clearances are maintained. There is similar construction under Cheetham Hill Road bridge at Victoria for similar reasons. Track has a tendency to move slightly on tight curves and this makes maintenance of clearances hard.
The use of embedded sleepers as they appear to be here means that the rail fixings are easy to release for replacement of worn rail. Some other fixing systems have been found lacking in rigidity.

Thank you.

Youve only coppied the abbreviation not the whole link.

those were the links as they were sent to me watcher.

Talking to one of the metrolink engineers at holt town today. I asked is the trams going to be ready up to ASDA by the time the football season starts. He said no the line will be open on the 13th August 2011 all the way up to Droylsden.

Talking to one of the metrolink engineers at holt town today. I asked is the trams going to be ready up to ASDA by the time the football season starts. He said no the line will be open on the 13th August 2011 all the way up to Droylsden.

unlucky for some.

those were the links as they were sent to me watcher.

you need to right click and 'copy shortcut', not just highlight it and copy and paste which only copys the visible text (which has been abbreviated due to length, you can tell from the ...).

unlucky for some.

Isn't it mid August that the new season does start, or a week or so before?

Isn't it mid August that the new season does start, or a week or so before?

august 18th is probably a good average start date for the season, but it does obviously vary by a few days.

you need to right click and 'copy shortcut', not just highlight it and copy and paste which only copys the visible text (which has been abbreviated due to length, you can tell from the ...).

i right clicked and the option wasnt there. the pictures were on the trafford council website. i went and had a look around and they appear to have been removed. i cant seem them on google images either. shame. one of them was an overhead shot from the early 20th century and you could see the layout perfectly.

IMHO I see no reason why it can't be changed to Princess Parkway & Burton Road, renamed Withington.

For people from outside the city, road names don't really mean a great deal, so calling the stop by the area it resides in makes much more sense.

I wouldn't have gone for St Werburgh's Rd either. A lot of people don't even know how to pronounce it properly, let alone spell it. Would have been more apt to have gone with Chorlton South / Whalley Range.

I think "Withington" needs to go completely as the tram won't be going to Withington at all except if its decided that less than 100 yards into the area known as Withington counts as Withington:nuts:
Also though Scouse, Burton Raod I don't think could be called Withington as it isn't actually in Withington at all, it's in West Didsbury!

I think it should just be called Princess Road as Princess Parkway doen't actually start till you've gone past Merseybank towards Northenden

Talking to one of the metrolink engineers at holt town today. I asked is the trams going to be ready up to ASDA by the time the football season starts. He said no the line will be open on the 13th August 2011 all the way up to Droylsden.


hahaha.............not going to happen.

September to Sports City

I think "Withington" needs to go completely as the tram won't be going to Withington at all except if its decided that less than 100 yards into the area known as Withington counts as Withington:nuts:
Also though Scouse, Burton Raod I don't think could be called Withington as it isn't actually in Withington at all, it's in West Didsbury!

I think it should just be called Princess Road as Princess Parkway doen't actually start till you've gone past Merseybank towards Northenden

Surely Southern Cemetery?

its impossible to ever reinstate that line now. i was just playing devils advocate to be honest with you. very little remains of the old alignment any longer. the line passes through the tunnel you see in the photograph, briefly emerges into a clearing (which can still be seen from talbot road if anyone is interested) the goes under talbot road via another tunnel, that is most probably filled with earth.

when the line has active it used to curve around the edge of chester house (the gmp headquarters) in a cutting. this section has now been infilled and a gmp car park extension built. it then went under chester road in another tunnel (the bridge parapits are still there...you wouldnt even notice them unless you knew what used to be there) before emerging at the site of throstle's nest junction.

this was a triangular junction allowing a connection into either the city centre or towards liverpool via what was know as trafford park east junction. again this has now been infilled and is currently the location of an audi garage. the remaining space adjacent to the clc line has been filled with the turnback for the electrified commuter trains that run from deansgate to macclesfield and alderly edge. again if you know what you are looking for you can just make out the former alignment of the tracks, but none of the original brick work remains.

to further complicate the creation of a metrolink loop of any kind is the construction of the old trafford bypass in the mid 1990s and the fact that even if the old alignment was in place a grade seperated crossing of the clc line AND the adjacent road that runs through pomona docks would be required to reach the reserved route of the trafford centre line, should that ever be built.

Here is a photo of Throstle Nest South Junction and signal box. The other side of the tunnel in the previous photo is behind the photographer's back and the tracks to the left curve around to join the Liverpool lines whilst those to the right run to Cornbrook Junction and Castlefield viaducts. The bridge behind the box is Chester Road complete with an MCTD bus.

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad200/Vernon151/ThrostleNestSoutgJcn.jpg

I've also copied a page out of an old AtoZ which shows the original layout here.

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad200/Vernon151/A2Z.jpg

i right clicked and the option wasnt there. the pictures were on the trafford council website. i went and had a look around and they appear to have been removed. i cant seem them on google images either. shame. one of them was an overhead shot from the early 20th century and you could see the layout perfectly.

Sorry for being off tope, I managed to get your links to work Gdogg (worked out the missing bit of the link from the website)!

http://www.trafford.gov.uk/content/tca/display_image.asp?ImageID=2071
http://www.trafford.gov.uk/content/tca/display_image.asp?ImageID=6146

Brilliant photos, thanks a million!


EDIT: wow Exmanc another cracking old photo! :-D

^^^^
Amazing photos guys.
That building looks amazing, like some kind of castle or something!

Still think this tunnel in this photo

http://neilsrailwayphotos.fotopic.net/p50561296.html

is too short to be the one in the photos above, and the tracks seem too curved! Maybe it's just the perspective :)

Surely Southern Cemetery?
mmmm I think when people think of southern cemetery they think of Barlow Morr Road. Thats where the bus Station is and may cause confusion. If it comes to being exact then Cavendish Road?

http://neilsrailwayphotos.fotopic.net/c1513569.html

enjoy!

Looking at this photo which the author can't identify I think it's the other side of the old blocked off tunnel

http://neilsrailwayphotos.fotopic.net/p50561296.html

Martin, this portal would be behind the photographer

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mmmm I think when people think of southern cemetery they think of Barlow Morr Road. Thats where the bus Station is and may cause confusion. If it comes to being exact then Cavendish Road?

My thinking is that many people will have no idea of where Cavendish Road (or any other road) is, but may be aware that it is near Southern Cemetery.

As someone who lived in Withington for a good 18 years, I've said before that the location of the proposed Withington stop really is not where any local would say is Withington (I know it technically is, but you know what I mean)...

...I'll be interested to see how busy the stop gets, at first thought, it's not a very busy area, but then maybe it will become a route for Siemens employees and visitors to the cemetary.

After Freel07's extensive coverage of the Central Park stretch, I didn't see much reason to upload my share of pics from last Saturday... but then I changed my mind. I've just addressed a backlog of photos and so I thought I'd share these recent(ish) ones:

Looking west from Monsall Rd, you can see where the overhead wires end:

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/Nymanic/Metrolink%20-%20December%202009%20onwards/IMG_0317.jpg

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/Nymanic/Metrolink%20-%20December%202009%20onwards/IMG_0318.jpg

Looking east to Central Park. Plenty going on:

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/Nymanic/Metrolink%20-%20December%202009%20onwards/IMG_0320.jpg

Another shot of the wires' end:

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/Nymanic/Metrolink%20-%20December%202009%20onwards/IMG_0321.jpg

Monsall takes shape:

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/Nymanic/Metrolink%20-%20December%202009%20onwards/IMG_0326.jpg

The steps entrance to the Oldham-bound platform:

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/Nymanic/Metrolink%20-%20December%202009%20onwards/IMG_0327.jpg

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/Nymanic/Metrolink%20-%20December%202009%20onwards/IMG_0331.jpg

The lift on the opposite platform:

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/Nymanic/Metrolink%20-%20December%202009%20onwards/IMG_0328.jpg

Ramp entrance, and yet more mud:

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/Nymanic/Metrolink%20-%20December%202009%20onwards/IMG_0329.jpg

Finally, the ever-looming Central Park, complete with the mismatched shelters. Little of real change here, although the lifts do appear to be fitted:

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/Nymanic/Metrolink%20-%20December%202009%20onwards/IMG_0333.jpg

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/Nymanic/Metrolink%20-%20December%202009%20onwards/IMG_0334.jpg

Next up, I'll post an update from the Chorlton end. But first, sleep... ;)

Thanks for all your efforts Ex Manc & Martin; some great photos & map of the old line. The Henshaws school was one helluva building too. The thing I enjoy about this forum, is that people ask questions & someone proactive always answers the question well & with sources to back it up.

Excellent update too Nymanic, the area the Monsall stop covers is huge; what with all those access ramps & paths, etc.

I wondered up to St Werburgh's yesterday afternoon & took a few pics, I was particularly impressed with how planting has gone on, with Spring not too far away, I'm looking forward to seeing life appearing on either side of the trackbed & hopefully even more of a transformation. Will get the photos posted on here after I've had a few more coffees... :)

Wondered up to St Werburgh's yesterday afternoon & there's a lot of progress been made since the Christmas 'break'. All the lampposts along both the cyclepath & at the stop itself have all been straightened up & switched on. Handrailing is being installed on access ramps at either end of the stop. Litter bins are now on the platforms. Fencing is about to be installed between the cyclepath & the trackbed. As I said in my previous post, I was also glad to see that there has been a lot of new planting around the track crossing.

I also found that someone had left fencing open & I was able to sneak up the steps that lead to St Werburgh's Rd, enabling me to get a nice vantage point of the works below.

Not the greatest quality photos, but was only on the I-Phone. Enjoy...

Lift from Street Level down to Cyclepath & Stop
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l72/scouseinmanc/St%20Werburghs%20Rd%2022%20Jan%2011/IMG_0747.jpg

Stairway down to cyclepath & stop
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l72/scouseinmanc/St%20Werburghs%20Rd%2022%20Jan%2011/IMG_0748.jpg

Handrailing, St Werburgh's Rd Bridge & trackbed
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l72/scouseinmanc/St%20Werburghs%20Rd%2022%20Jan%2011/IMG_0749.jpg

Cyclepath & stop
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l72/scouseinmanc/St%20Werburghs%20Rd%2022%20Jan%2011/IMG_0745.jpg

Close up of St Werburgh's stop. Note the yellow handrailing yet to be installed.
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l72/scouseinmanc/St%20Werburghs%20Rd%2022%20Jan%2011/IMG_0746.jpg

Access Ramp back up to St Werburgh's Rd. Note the new fencing between the path & the trackbed
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l72/scouseinmanc/St%20Werburghs%20Rd%2022%20Jan%2011/IMG_0751.jpg

New planting adjacent to pedestrian track crossing
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l72/scouseinmanc/St%20Werburghs%20Rd%2022%20Jan%2011/IMG_0752.jpg

View back towards St Werburgh's Rd & stop
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l72/scouseinmanc/St%20Werburghs%20Rd%2022%20Jan%2011/IMG_0753.jpg

View towards Chorlton. Again, handrailing is installed from the track crossing, to the fence
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l72/scouseinmanc/St%20Werburghs%20Rd%2022%20Jan%2011/IMG_0754.jpg

:)

Found this on Flickr...possibly made by someone off here. But I've not seen it before so I thought I'd share.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5203/5379183480_39ab6d4876.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscient/5379183480/)
Manchester Metrolink map, circa 2020 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscient/5379183480/) by retroscient (http://www.flickr.com/people/retroscient/), on Flickr

As everyone has gone photo mad at the start of 2011, I thought I'd do an update from the top end of Droylsden, with pictures taken on Friday.

Starting at the Market Street Stop

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j403/Mamucium70/IMAG0005.jpg

Passing from Market Street, looking down the inbound line towards Manchester with Droylsden Library to the middle left

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j403/Mamucium70/IMAG0006.jpg

Now looking back at the same stretch towards Market Street

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j403/Mamucium70/IMAG0008.jpg

Further down Manchester Rd looking back with the Library to the right

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j403/Mamucium70/IMAG0010.jpg

Moving down to where the Cemetery Rd Stop will be looking towards Manchester

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j403/Mamucium70/IMAG0001.jpg

A closer look at the bend needed to gain access back onto Manchester Rd

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j403/Mamucium70/IMAG0002.jpg

Work at the Cemetery Rd stop is gaining pace

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j403/Mamucium70/IMAG0017.jpg

Looking back across Manchester Rd at where the Cemetery Rd stop will be

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j403/Mamucium70/IMAG0016.jpg

A closer look at the site of the stop

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j403/Mamucium70/IMAG0014.jpg

Outside The Jolly Carter Pub looking back to the stop

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j403/Mamucium70/IMAG0012.jpg

Finally we turn round looking back to Manchester and JdR's neck of the woods on the outbound line side of Manchester Rd

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j403/Mamucium70/IMAG0015.jpg

Nice of you to join the photo foray, Mamucium :)

And fine work Scouse, ya beat me to it! :D Here's an odd couple from my Saturday wander:

Chorlton - crossing in place, and bins going in. Note they've also put the high fencing up between Morrisons and the stop, can't say I'm okay with that:

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/Nymanic/Metrolink%20-%20December%202009%20onwards/IMG_0356.jpg

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/Nymanic/Metrolink%20-%20December%202009%20onwards/IMG_0355.jpg

Hard at work at St. Werburgh's:

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/Nymanic/Metrolink%20-%20December%202009%20onwards/IMG_0353.jpg

Both track crossings are ready. The 'dismount' signs are curious ones - how many people will be taking their bikes up to the platform...?

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/Nymanic/Metrolink%20-%20December%202009%20onwards/IMG_0350.jpg

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/Nymanic/Metrolink%20-%20December%202009%20onwards/IMG_0352.jpg

Staircase from the bottom. The LED indicator on the lift was working, so it might be ready to use:

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/Nymanic/Metrolink%20-%20December%202009%20onwards/IMG_0349.jpg

Forward to Chorlton:

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/Nymanic/Metrolink%20-%20December%202009%20onwards/IMG_0339.jpg

One last look. Note the speed limit signs:

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/Nymanic/Metrolink%20-%20December%202009%20onwards/IMG_0353.jpg

The link to my Photobucket album is here (http://s977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/Nymanic/Metrolink%20-%20December%202009%20onwards/), with a few odd images from the last year, including the recent ones. They still lack tags/dates/descriptions, but I'll try and get onto that.

I guess the dismount signs are there because its off a cycleway isnt it?

I think all these photos are showing the stations are looking near complete.

Nice of you to join the photo foray, Mamucium :)

And fine work Scouse, ya beat me to it! :D Here's an odd couple from my Saturday wander:

Chorlton - crossing in place, and bins going in. Note they've also put the high fencing up between Morrisons and the stop, can't say I'm okay with that:

One last look. Note the speed limit signs:

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/Nymanic/Metrolink%20-%20December%202009%20onwards/IMG_0353.jpg

The link to my Photobucket album is here (http://s977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/Nymanic/Metrolink%20-%20December%202009%20onwards/), with a few odd images from the last year, including the recent ones. They still lack tags/dates/descriptions, but I'll try and get onto that.

looking at this picture of the bridge just before where the old fallowfield loop line branched off it seems a shame that this line hasnt got a spur up to fallowfield. i know how extensive the bus service into town is, but anyone who has lived around there knows that this service is so unreliable and slow as to make you dread getting on it.

i know a lot of former students with good jobs that have remained in the area that could afford to and most definitely have the desire to spend the money to get to work in the city centre in 15 minutes instead of 40.

this would have been a much cheaper and easier win than building a line down wilmslow road into the city centre.

Tram parked at chorlton (sunday 13.45)

The man at the at werburghs crossing is warning everyone who goes past that "the trams are testing today so be careful"!!!

And there's a banana and a blue scab parked at Chorlton!!!

In the picture of St Werburghs, is that working PIDs I see?

Tram parked at chorlton (sunday 13.45)

The man at the at werburghs crossing is warning everyone who goes past that "the trams are testing today so be careful"!!!

And there's a banana and a blue scab parked at Chorlton!!!

Any pics guys?

Of course! Just sorting them out now. Im afraid they're not great again, but I did manage to get a couple of videos - can they be uploaded on here?

Of course! Just sorting them out now. Im afraid they're not great again, but I did manage to get a couple of videos - can they be uploaded on here?

You can upload the videos to youtube and then post them on here.

Great photos everyone, looking forward to these ones as well. :)

Ohh turns out Photobucket can do videos too..!

Takes a long time to upload them... sheeesh!

The photos are a bit repititive, sorry about that. Be done soon :)

OK here we go, photos first:

http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab93/martin2345uk/tram%20tests/IMG_0729.jpg

http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab93/martin2345uk/tram%20tests/IMG_0731.jpg

http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab93/martin2345uk/tram%20tests/IMG_0732.jpg

http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab93/martin2345uk/tram%20tests/IMG_0734.jpg

http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab93/martin2345uk/tram%20tests/IMG_0735.jpg

http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab93/martin2345uk/tram%20tests/IMG_0742.jpg

http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab93/martin2345uk/tram%20tests/IMG_0741.jpg

And the videos - can people view these?? I think you have to click on them... let me know :-)

EDITED: YouTube videos seem a bit smoother so changed to that! Links below :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTt907uiTdI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR1XWw-oIWM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTyVp7vOgds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34WgQR4EKoc

Again not great quailty but videos are cool, almost looks as if the line is operating in a couple of them! Bar all that wire fencing anyway...

And as an aside - the guys working around Werby's are dead nice, the man controlling the crossing even offered to give me a shout if he found out when another tram is coming!

3023 there at Chorlton, must be one of it's first outings.

That's 3023 in the photos above :-D

Excelent Martin

OK here we go, photos first:

http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab93/martin2345uk/tram%20tests/IMG_0729.jpg



Great pics!

Does anyone else think that crossing is a bit dangerous, just after a bend like that?!

[QUOTE=martin2345uk;71212959]OK here we go, photos first:


And the videos - can people view these?? I think you have to click on them... let me know :-)



Great photos Martin good to see some trams down there at last.
By the way the videos do work thanks.

Great pics!

Does anyone else think that crossing is a bit dangerous, just after a bend like that?!

I don't think it's more dangerous than an uncontrolled pedestrian crossing on a roadway. The trams are being driven on sight and from what I saw at Monsall last week there is a warning sign on the approach to these crossing points as seen in this photo
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae333/freel07/Metrolink/P1000774.jpg

Great pics!

Does anyone else think that crossing is a bit dangerous, just after a bend like that?!

Camera foreshortening, the crossing is well away from the gentle bend.

You have to cross the tram tracks to cycle from the passage by Corkland Road to the cycle path hence the signs.

The crossing is only like the one at Old Trafford - not a problem.

I can't believe I missed the trams, I was in Morrisons this afternoon and was going to look but just couldn't be bothered (hungover).

Absolutely fantastic photos and videos, Martin! You can see from the third video that 3023 is in the process of receiving its yellow dots :banana::banana::banana:

Also, just for reference, what number was the rear T-68 unit?

Found this on Flickr...possibly made by someone off here. But I've not seen it before so I thought I'd share.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5203/5379183480_39ab6d4876.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscient/5379183480/)
Manchester Metrolink map, circa 2020 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscient/5379183480/) by retroscient (http://www.flickr.com/people/retroscient/), on Flickr

I love the way this map has been designed, looks a lot like the new Metroshuttle maps.

Absolutely fantastic photos and videos, Martin! You can see from the third video that 3023 is in the process of receiving its yellow dots :banana::banana::banana:

Also, just for reference, what number was the rear T-68 unit?

Ummm, I didn't see it... I just assumed it would be the same as the front unit but with an A or a B! Sorry!

Thank you to all the posters for all the photos. For those who are less mobile, these are invaluable.

The track crossing points have these strange extensions along the track. They are presumably permanent, as the pedestrian prohibition signs are at their end.

Do they have a known function?

The yellow handrails have grey sections. Are these yet to be painted, or is there some other design scheme?

In one of Martin's pictures there is a small boy and his mother watching the approaching trams. No doubt in future years he will be posting here.

The track crossing points have these strange extensions along the track. They are presumably permanent, as the pedestrian prohibition signs are at their end.

Do they have a known function?

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Yes, they are so that after a pedestrian strike, the bits are easier to find:lol:

Seriously, no idea and have been giving them some thought.
About the only thing I can come up with is ton provide a solid back ground to make it easier for drivers to see whether the crossing is clear or not.

ignore!

I love the way this map has been designed, looks a lot like the new Metroshuttle maps.

Gosh, it shows how sad I am that I actually felt a little rush of pride from seeing my map posted on a forum I happen to read - and without even having to post it myself either! :D I'm a bit shocked that somebody noticed it in the first place, to be honest!

Anyway, hello everyone! :hi: It's my first time posting here - I finally decided to register when I saw my map posted, but I've been reading these threads daily for the past few weeks now and I'm looking forward to joining in the discussion.

If anyone has questions or thoughts or feedback on the map I drew (for those of you who missed it - it got pretty quickly buried under all the photographs! - here's the Flickr link (http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscient/5379183480/)) by all means do ask/suggest/complain/etc. It's the first thing I've tried making and I'm looking to improve on it. I was pretty much guessing how the lines would be arranged and I assumed 2CC would only feature one or two stops (Exchange Square seemed like a logical choice) but I think I read that it will probably feature a few more, and I've no idea what the contenders are right now. As the Flickr description says, I tried to give it a tiny bit of character (ie. "retrolink", darker colours), but I'm not sure if it came off okay.

Finally, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all those taking photographs of the new lines. They are great little shots, and like others have said, one day we'll look back on them a bit like how we now look back on the Altrincham or Bury lines under British Rail!

I think it's a brilliant map - I don't think Metrolink could possibly come up with a better one. I hope there's someone high up who checks in on this thread and notices it, it's exactly what the expanded network will need to be clear and easy to navigate...

Don't want to jump in and steal anyones thunder, but here is the full size version of the map. Great map BTW.

Oh. The ground is being compacted (hardcore surface) and leveled at Didsbury, opposite Tesco's. I'd say 50% of the site is done.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5203/5379183480_39ab6d4876_b.jpg

The only thing I will say about the map.... It's missing the future stop at Albert Square on the 2CC.



Actually one more thing, following the current discussion about the possible Chester Tram-Trains. Wouldn't ANY map look weird with that protruding out to the west!


btw, May I ask what software was used to design it??

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Thank for taking them picture and video Martin well down and I notice that one thing wrong about that map is Freehold and South Chadderton station are in wrong place they might be swap around but good map.

http://www.metrolink.co.uk/futuremetrolink/oldham-and-rochdale-line.asp

Ummm, I didn't see it... I just assumed it would be the same as the front unit but with an A or a B! Sorry!

No no - it appears to be a double unit... we can see the front unit is 1026...

The only thing I will say about the map.... It's missing the future stop at Albert Square on the 2CC.
Ooh, you wouldn't happen to have confirmation of that, would you? I'm pretty out-of-the-loop (no pun intended) on all matters 2CC, so if they've published a list of confirmed (or even merely proposed) stations I'd be grateful if you could post a link.

Actually one more thing, following the current discussion about the possible Chester Tram-Trains. Wouldn't ANY map look weird with that protruding out to the west!Yeah, the Metrolink cartographers will have to use some pretty heavy abstraction if they plan to fit Chester into the picture.

We're assuming, of course, that the Chester line - if it even goes ahead! - will be considered part of the standard Metrolink, and not, owing to its long-distance, tram-train nature, part of a slightly segregated network, albeit still branded "Metrolink".

What I reckon we'd see would be the Metrolink map being kept exactly as-is, except for the addition of one new station - the "Metrolink-Chester Interchange" (or whatever they were to call it), which would feature with a bold arrow protruding south-west to imply a high-speed link to Chester. Then at the Chester Interchange you'd have a second map alongside, with the Chester line actually properly depicted and the rest of the Metrolink grayed-out.

btw, May I ask what software was used to design it??

pen and paper: early drafts, sketches, doodles, etc; also invaluable for quickly iterating on spur-of-the-moment ideas that you don't want to forget but don't want to 100% focus on at the moment.
SketchBookExpress: much the same as pen and paper, but a little bit more focused on drawing the shape of routes and planning positional relationships and symbols.
Illustrator CS5: to draft and design the TfGM brand after I'd done a lot of initial concept work in SBE and on paper.
Flash CS5: to draw the actual map proper, with each line occupying its own layer; stations and text also were each to their own layer
If it sounds like there was a lot of overlap between them, that's because there was - I would redraft and redraft things, switching between applications on a whim. I've made it sound a lot more difficult than it really is - I honestly only needed to use so many applications because I am so inexperienced with each! I'm sure others who have done this will know much better ways of doing it than me! :P

No no - it appears to be a double unit... we can see the front unit is 1026...

Blimey you're right! I hadn't noticed at all that it was another double. Shame it wasn't a double banana!!

I love the map, very well done. Nice touch on developing your own theme for the map rather than doing more 'London' styling. To be honest thats alot hard than just doing a map in the style of other such as the one I did.

Its hard to believe that its almost finished now on the Chorlton Line, only been a few months but the progress is amazing. Looking forward to riding the line later this year!

Bury - Alty: 'Retrolink' :lol:

The TfGM map also has the route through the city incorrect for Alty to Picc.

The TfGM map also has the route through the city incorrect for Alty to Picc.

The map shows Alty-Bury direct and Picc-Bury lines.

Fantastic effort put in by Martin & mamucium there...well done :applause::applause:...

Another first for SSC.


A big welcome to retroscient..:cheers:

The map shows Alty-Bury direct and Picc-Bury lines.

but not Alty to Picc.

The TfGM map also has the route through the city incorrect for Alty to Picc.
I was just guessing how they'd arrange the lines, to be honest. If anyone has more information on how GMPTE/Metrolink have decided to lay things out, I'd be very interested to know.

I think we're assuming that the lines will be:

Alty-Bury
Alty-Ashton
Bury-Ashton
Didsbury-Rochdale
Didsbury-Shaw
Airport-Victoria
Eccles-Picc
Mediacity-Victoria

Although I don't think that's been confirmed.

I think we're assuming that the lines will be:

Alty-Bury
Alty-Ashton
Bury-Ashton
Didsbury-Rochdale
Didsbury-Shaw
Airport-Victoria
Eccles-Picc
Mediacity-Victoria

Although I don't think that's been confirmed.

Indeed, but if the route is Alty to Ashton it will use 1CC. not 2CC as suggested on that map.

I think we're assuming that the lines will be:

Alty-Bury
Alty-Ashton
Bury-Ashton
Didsbury-Rochdale
Didsbury-Shaw
Airport-Victoria
Eccles-Picc
Mediacity-Cornbrook and then eventually to Piccadilly

Although I don't think that's been confirmed.

I think it will goto Piccadilly rather than Victoria eventually.

Also there is there Airport to Deansgate-Castlefield night service that they are planning.

MediaCityUK will not run to Victoria, more likely it will just run from MEC to Cornbrook. As for the rest of the system its yet unconfirmed if direct services will continue Bry-Alt. Under consideration AFAIK is a 'star service' of Bury - Eccles - Rochdale - Alt - Ashton - St Werbs - Bury ...... then start again

Airport is only 5tph, as such they'll probably all go to the same place and will not stop before reaching the city centre.

Airport is only 5tph, as such they'll probably all go to the same place and will not stop before reaching the city centre.
You're saying that there will essentially be two services to the Airport - a normal service calling at all stops, and a City-Airport express? Could the 5tph not simply be owing to the nature of the route itself, as a bit of a lengthy, indirect slog?

It's nice to see that everybody considers the new map as lacking as me! (no matter how much it's improved on the last map)

It seem to remember someone saying thy Manchester is a north south city, and I concur, so do the gmpte since were getting a second north south route! I think that normal, i.e. those not on trams should include a bigger square map that emphasises this! If only the piccadily delta wasn't so complicated , only getting worse with 2CC!

I wish there were London style horizontal route maps, though that would start getting messy with either loads of maps for different routes on one tram, or separating trams into bunches! I disagree with an earlier comment about 'london' style maps, I think they're so iconic because they simplify compilicated things in such a good way!

As I don't live in Manchester, it's extremely interesting to see Manchester finally starting to get the transport system it deserves! I'm going to get on the chorlton line as soon as I can! Now if only they could get a phase 4, though I don't see funding for that for at least 20 years!

Also, it's annoying that an east west Eccles-Ashton service hasn't been done!

You're saying that there will essentially be two services to the Airport - a normal service calling at all stops, and a City-Airport express? Could the 5tph not simply be owing to the nature of the route itself, as a bit of a lengthy, indirect slog?

Not, sorry.

I meant the terminus won't be Deansgate-Castlefield, it will be someone east or north of the city centre.

Everyone says the London tube map is genius...well to me it aint.

If you live there, you know where your line goes and which stops you need.

If you are visiting and say want to go to Bucks Palace...which stop is nearest?

Must be me but maps are pretty idiot proof.

Give me the geographic map of the London Underground over a London street layout and I can do the rest, ta.

Let's not start making some poncy, art deco map...I want a `map' not an `artist's impression'

Please.

It's nice to see that everybody considers the new map as lacking as me!Alright, alright! So it's not quite perfect yet! :lol:

I disagree with an earlier comment about 'london' style maps, I think they're so iconic because they simplify compilicated things in such a good way!
I love the London Underground, and the tube map, both are classics, so don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I've made something better; I just wanted to see if I could come up with something a bit different.

Now if only they could get a phase 4, though I don't see funding for that for at least 20 years!It's hard to say, really - while I don't think we'll see another Big Bang for decades, ad-hoc line extensions may still be possible if TfGM and Metrolink decide to pool everything together on a line-by-line basis - the Trafford Centre and Stockport seem potential candidates for kind of development.


Everyone says the London tube map is genius...well to me it aint.

If you live there, you know where your line goes and which stops you need.

If you are visiting and say want to go to Bucks Palace...which stop is nearest?

Must be me but maps are pretty idiot proof.

Give me the geographic map of the London Underground over a London street layout and I can do the rest, ta.

Let's not start making some poncy, art deco map...I want a `map' not an `artist's impression'

Please.

You may well get your wish! (http://www.metrolink.co.uk/pdf/future_metrolink/network-map-with-new-extensions.pdf) It's not quite a street map, it's pretty close to what you want. Whether they'll go with that map in the end, I don't know, but I'm sure they won't do a redesign anything like mine.

We're clearly going to have to disagree on the topographical vs geographical maps! The maps aren't really made for tourists, hence why attraction websites name the nearest station!

As long as we don't end up with some hybrid!

I could see there being a topographical map then a geographical immediate area map at every stop... But that's too simple for the gmpte!

Retroscient! That wasn't a criticism of your map at all, I think it's rather good actually! It has the inherent problems that come with such a map i.e. Cramped city zone, but such is the way!

Not, sorry.

I meant the terminus won't be Deansgate-Castlefield, it will be someone east or north of the city centre.

It will run Airport to Victoria.

But the night time service 3am-6am (if they proceed with it) has already been confirmed on a GMPTE document to run between the Airport and Deansgate. I'm sure someone could dig the .PDF out.

Tee hee....here we are having a discussion about our huge new metro system....

If you are visiting and say want to go to Bucks Palace...which stop is nearest?



Don't live there.

Green Park on Victoria line. There is an announcement as you pull into the station on the trains :)

Don't live there.

Green Park on Victoria line. There is an announcement as you pull into the station on the trains :)

You have to be on the right train to start with!

No, it is never easier than to just use geographic maps, you know the one that evolution hard-wired into us.

I hate the tube map. It a useless ornament to me and totally illogical.

Airport is only 5tph, as such they'll probably all go to the same place and will not stop before reaching the city centre.

I have definitely seen information indicating a 6 minute weekday and Saturday daytime frequency between the Airport to Cornbrook pre 2CC and Airport to Victoria post 2CC. At other times its 12 minutes.