Wouldn't sleeper track mean ballast which would mean millions of missiles within arms reach? I always thought that played a part in these decisions!

If you have time to build it (e.g. not in a possession) then slab track can offer cost savings over the lifetime of a system, compared with traditional ballast. This is a function of not having to tamp or stress anything.

As martin2345uk points out, a paucity of handy missiles is also a plus!

Intriguingly, a ballasted form would be better over poor ground, as it flexes; a solid slab would have to be built on piles to avoid settlement and mis-alignment at the slab joints.

Wouldn't sleeper track mean ballast which would mean millions of missiles within arms reach? I always thought that played a part in these decisions!

You've made a very good point there Martin. I guess I was being misled by the 'MPT Ballast Stockpile' at Guide Bridge. I wonder whether that's been used for the Oldham Line. We will have to wait and see whether Ashton Moss gets finished in grasscrete like some stretches of the Eccles Line.

A few pictures from Eastlands City Statium stop, whilst attending SkyRide. Apologies in advance for the poor quality, had no camera with me.

Also, apologies for not being able to rotate the first image.

Looking towards Manchester:
http://i54.tinypic.com/2yv84mu.jpg

Manchester-bound platform, note the sign bottom right, and the PID at the top of the stairs:
http://i54.tinypic.com/10zscja.jpg

The yellow surrounds were just being completed at the bottom of this lift:
http://i52.tinypic.com/307ywra.jpg

[QUOTE=Futurelink;82630019]A few pictures from Eastlands City Statium stop, whilst attending SkyRide. Apologies in advance for the poor quality, had no camera with me.





The yellow surrounds were just being completed at the bottom of this lift:
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Now, If they had done that in Chorlton and St Werburgh's Road I may not hate the concrete as much. In fact I suggested it to someone on here only 2 weeks ago. Metrolink.... take note


And it's quite weird from this angle that the camera on the side looks like a little antenna!

Also, apologies for not being able to rotate the first image.

Here you go. I took the liberty of tweaking it a bit, I hope you don't mind (I'll be happy to remove it you do).

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc205/loweskid/Skyscrapercity/eastland2.jpg

Now, If they had done that in Chorlton and St Werburgh's Road I may not hate the concrete as much. In fact I suggested it to someone on here only 2 weeks ago. Metrolink.... take note



Oh much, much worse than raw concrete!

Oh much, much worse than raw concrete!

you not like it?

you not like it?

For me, the sign on the lift shaft is too in your face.

Give me some raw concrete any day!

Here you go. I took the liberty of tweaking it a bit, I hope you don't mind (I'll be happy to remove it you do).



That's great, thanks loweskid :D

I prefer the brick cladding, but it saves a few bob not too when its not needed to blend in with local housing stock.

Is Eastlands City stadium, not a bit of a clunky name for anyone else? Doubt it'll fit on the PID's without scrolling either :( And I thought they couldn't change the names, or is that just Whitmore and Withington...

For me, the sign on the lift shaft is too in your face.
Yes but when the crowds are pouring out of the stadium, and you need to use the lift, you'll want to be able to see it easily over the sea of heads.

The yellow surrounds were just being completed at the bottom of this lift:
http://i52.tinypic.com/307ywra.jpg

Cheers Future, saved me from having to go out in the downpour!!

Natty? Martin, I think this looks absolutely magnificent! At long last they make prominent use of that excellent 'go-faster' diamond logo which has been so neglected! Can't wait to see it in real life. Admittedly, it would be too large for many more intimate surroundings, but as loweskid points out, some distance away over the heads of a thronging crowd I am sure it will be ideal.

:dance:

An even more dramatic version would have existed when there were going to be three Mumpses with the viaduct retained - I was very sorry to have to consign this particular render to the archive bin! :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Oldham/Mumps/mumphigh.jpg

Another thing I would really like to see is the diamond logo on the trams, possibly on the fender cover, where Stagecoach apparently didn't want their own logo. Perhaps it could be combined with RATP, who of course wouldn't be using the image of the River Seine in Manchester.

Would they?
:banana:

Taken 27th July - I think there was only the one sign there then.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc205/loweskid/Skyscrapercity/eastlands-1.jpg

Shame they are going to have to take it down to change the name to Etihad Campus

Do you really think they will? Was Eastlands the name of the actual stadium then? I didn't realise that, thought it was the name of the whole complex/area...

Do you really think they will? Was Eastlands the name of the actual stadium then? I didn't realise that, thought it was the name of the whole complex/area...

I think the complex is called SportCity, but I'm pretty sure the stadium itself is still technically called Eastlands. There are signs all over there and I haven't seen any calling it Etihad Campus as of yet.

Natty? Martin, I think this looks absolutely magnificent! At long last they make prominent use of that excellent 'go-faster' diamond logo which has been so neglected! Can't wait to see it in real life. Admittedly, it would be too large for many more intimate surroundings, but as loweskid points out, some distance away over the heads of a thronging crowd I am sure it will be ideal.


There's a few of the diamond symbols up at Weaste, taking up the full area of one of those signs which usually natter on about buying your ticket before travelling etc. I have to agree, they do look excellent, and we aren't seeing enough of them across the network :ohno:

Threy're being a bit mean with the shelters at the stadium aren't they? They seem to be the one size fits all ones,and although they are quite long, they don't really cover much of the platform. It's the same at Old Trafford. I'm sure they could find some that cover more area and get ETHIAD or whoever to pay for them

I am sure the Stadium is called 'The City of Manchester Stadium' but I may be wrong!They are just in the process of rebranding it the 'Ethiad Stadium' with new window graphics going up as we speak on the main entrance.

Welcome to the forum Bob! :-)

Tiny but moderately significant development on the Airport line - today for the first time I saw some MPT people inside the boundary of Chorlton High School, at the bit of land that will soon cease to be school property and become the track before it joins Mauldeth Rd West. I was thinking maybe they want to get it marked off and fenced before the kids go back to school?

Yes but when the crowds are pouring out of the stadium, and you need to use the lift, you'll want to be able to see it easily over the sea of heads.

But what about those who need to use the stairs?
It doesn't actually say "lift" on it and a plain tower would be just as visible.
It is plain ugly and without justification.

I am sure the Stadium is called 'The City of Manchester Stadium' but I may be wrong!They are just in the process of rebranding it the 'Ethiad Stadium' with new window graphics going up as we speak on the main entrance.

Quite right, when built the stadium was named City of Manchester Stadium. The area around it, particularly immediately around and for some distance south, is actually Bradford but has somehow acquired the name Eastlands. That caused a lot of consternation in one of the local newspapers recently when older residents wanted to get the area known by the proper name rather than this made up one. Perhaps renaming the stadium will help their case and especially so if Metrolink do rename the station.

I am sure the Stadium is called 'The City of Manchester Stadium' but I may be wrong!They are just in the process of rebranding it the 'Ethiad Stadium' with new window graphics going up as we speak on the main entrance.

Welcome aboard Bob. Some pics would be great next time you're passing. Probably best to post them in the following thread though...

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=489548

Hi

Couple of things on TFGM Website

I know we know about this one

13 & 14 August: Temporary closure of Piccadilly and Piccadilly Gardens Metrolink stops
Transport for Greater Manchester is advising passengers that the Piccadilly station and Piccadilly Gardens Metrolink stops will be closed on Saturday 13 and Sunday 14 August.

This is to allow Metrolink to carry out essential maintenance to the points in the Piccadilly area.

While this work is taking place:

- Services will run from Altrincham to Bury direct though the city centre.

- Services will run from Eccles to Victoria via MediaCityUK.

- A replacement bus service will run between Piccadilly Gardens (bus stand R) and Piccadilly station (Fairfield Street).

- Services on the South Manchester line will not be affected.

The Piccadilly station and Piccadilly Gardens stops will re-open at the start of service on Monday 15 August.

Information for passengers will be displayed at Metrolink stops across the network


Second one the new line to Manchester Airport line takes off

Work on bringing Metrolink to Manchester Airport takes flight this month, as construction gets underway on the first part of the new nine-mile line.

Transport leaders are hailing the start of work as an "exciting development" for the region, which will not only see people linked to one of the country's busiest international airports, but also to communities along the route too.

Councillor Andrew Fender, Chair of Transport for Greater Manchester Committee, said: "Given the fantastic response we've had from people about the recent opening of the South Manchester line, we are very enthusiastic about the benefits the Airport line will bring to everyone in Greater Manchester and beyond.

"The start of this work is an exciting development on the new extension, and we're looking forward to people being able to use a Metrolink service that provides a direct link to the airport - one of the biggest employers in the region."

In the next few weeks, the first phase of works will be underway on building the extensive new line in the Mersey Valley area, which spans Hardy Farm, Hardy Lane and Sale Water Park.

As part of the initial construction, ground is being levelled off to make way for the line, with further piling works getting underway towards the end of the year.

Philip Purdy, Transport for Greater Manchester's Metrolink Director, said: "Given that this work is about preparing the area in advance of laying the new track, some excavators and large machinery will be used," explained Philip. "We will keep any disruption to a minimum, carrying out work during normal working hours from Monday to Saturday, and our team will be keeping people updated with progress.

He continued: "We are also committed to doing as much as we can to mitigate against disruption to flora and fauna during the construction of new Metrolink lines. As part of our environmental responsibilities, our contractor, MPact-Thales, has carried out a number of ecological surveys throughout the area; guidance has been taken from ecologists, Mersey Valley Warden Service and Greater Manchester Ecology Unit."

Further construction will continue into the new year and beyond, building on this first round of works.


last one traffic around Oldham Mumps will become one lane

Metrolink work at Oldham Mumps

Traffic management measures will be reinstated at Oldham Mumps on Monday 15 August for an estimated four weeks, as work continues to divert utility pipes in readiness for the new Metrolink line.

Transport for Greater Manchester (TfGM) had hoped to have all utility diversion work completed at Mumps by mid-August. However, excavation has revealed more significant work is required than previously anticipated.

To minimise disruption to traffic, an extra traffic lane at Mumps roundabout was re-opened on Monday 1 August for two weeks while contractors and utility companies reassessed the complexity of the project.

Work will restart on-site at Oldham Mumps on Monday 15 August and, for safety reasons, traffic must be reduced to one lane only.

Philip Purdy, TfGM's Metrolink Director, stated: "Work to divert utilities from the route of the new Metrolink line through Mumps has involved excavation to move water pipes away from the tram alignment.

"In carrying out this work, the contractors have found they must excavate deeper than initially anticipated so the pipes can be safely routed underneath existing telecommunication infrastructure in the ground and then reconnected to the water network.

"Unfortunately, as this utility diversion is approximately two metres underground, surveys carried out before we began did not identify the extent and complexity of the work needed beneath this infrastructure.

"I would like to apologise for any inconvenience the temporary traffic lanes closure may cause and assure people we will be working as quickly and as safely as we can to complete work and get all lanes open again."

The water pipe diversion at Mumps involves routing four substantial water pipes away from the tram route before connecting each pipe to the existing system. To put the extent of these works in context, just one valve on the water pipes being diverted is the approximate weight of a small family car.

This work ensures utility services can be accessed and maintained safely and easily once the tram tracks have been laid across the new junction at Mumps, as well as providing an opportunity to replace older cables and pipes with new, modern infrastructure.


Also good picture to everyone who took them over weekends :cheers:.

The area around it, particularly immediately around and for some distance south, is actually Bradford but has somehow acquired the name Eastlands. That caused a lot of consternation in one of the local newspapers recently when older residents wanted to get the area known by the proper name rather than this made up one. Yes, let's have trams leaving Piccadilly Rail Station for "Bradford". That should get the punters well confused!! :banana:

I have been reading these posts for months now and I just add to join in the fun!I will post some photos up as soon as I work out how to.I have been off work today so I made a trip right down the EML and there was a great deal of activity on all stops from Velopark right through to Piccadilly.I hope I can catch a tram to the 1st City game but I think this is probably not going to happen.

A prize to the first person to snap the signage at Velopark station once it's up!

I have been reading these posts for months now and I just add to join in the fun!I will post some photos up as soon as I work out how to.I have been off work today so I made a trip right down the EML and there was a great deal of activity on all stops from Velopark right through to Piccadilly.I hope I can catch a tram to the 1st City game but I think this is probably not going to happen.

It doesn't look likely Bob. Due to problems with TMS we've been told not to expect trams down there for months.
On a lighter note, you might just be able to catch a tram to COMS in time for the second half of the season, if TMS decides to behave :)

Cheers Futurelink,I can live with trams running for second half of the season.

They are just in the process of rebranding it the 'Ethiad Stadium' with new window graphics going up as we speak on the main entrance.

Welcome Bob and here it is, I was down there this very afternoon :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Eastlands-Etihad/101_4479.jpg

I was there to look at Chorlton Bloke's favourite sign!! Ah well, Chorlton, I guess it wouldn't do for everybody to be turned on by the same thing!! Me, I love it :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Eastlands-Etihad/101_4458.jpg

Motor, the main sheltering areas will be under the white 'eyes' (that look like ATV for those old enough to remember!). They will apparently be covered over like the other umbrelloid shelters in that area :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Eastlands-Etihad/101_4456.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Eastlands-Etihad/101_4460.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Eastlands-Etihad/101_4463.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Eastlands-Etihad/101_4466.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Eastlands-Etihad/101_4477.jpg

Eastlands looking West. This line has all been ready for some time Bob, but it's looking like Xmas before this will be the homeward trail :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Eastlands-Etihad/101_4471.jpg

:righton: :banana:

As I type this, I am now looking at the tramline junctions at Reeves Corner all ablaze beside a large furniture store. Awful, awful, awful behaviour. Why? :hammer:

Croydon Johnny? Don't mourn for them, as they don't for us.

Excellent pictures as ever.

As I type this, I am now looking at the tramline junctions at Reeves Corner all ablaze beside a large furniture store. Awful, awful, awful behaviour. Why? :hammer:

:banana:

Ablaze?? Literally?

It doesn't look likely Bob. Due to problems with TMS we've been told not to expect trams down there for months.
On a lighter note, you might just be able to catch a tram to COMS in time for the second half of the season, if TMS decides to behave :)

Not just TMS Futurelink, there is the issue of the Piccadilly Undercroft works as well that aren't likely to be completed until February next.

Ablaze?? Literally?

from the images on the BBC it looked like as JDR said, the tramline was ablaze..

Not just TMS Futurelink, there is the issue of the Piccadilly Undercroft works as well that aren't likely to be completed until February next.

We've heard so much conflicting stuff on this forum about what's going to happen at the Piccadilly Undercroft :lol:

Someone said theyve heard that there will be no major works there, someone else heard there would be a new escalator, someone said there won't, someone says there are months of works ahead... I'm just looking forward to seeing what actually does transpire down there! And thank god for this place to document every minute change as and if they happen :banana:

And the tramline ablaze?? that doesn't sound good! I'm off to read the news!

I'm starting to believe TfGM are deliberately spurting nonsense out loud, in hope that someone from SSC will hear it and lead the rest of the forum astray from the real truth :D

Regarding the undercroft, though, it doesn't seem they have too much to do there, construction-wise. They must've built that platform with future plans for the EML in mind.

Anyway, it will be nice to see people use that platform properly for the first time in almost 20 years. It looks rather dark and lonely at the moment!

Yes the actual rails and points were lit up like rivulets of fire along their length, against the darkness - presumably the encasing tar or polymer if that is a flammable substance.

If the rails have to be relaid at Reeves Corner I fear it will put the Croydon system out for several weeks, as it is the point where the city circle is joined by the Wimbledon line, which also contains the depot at Therapia Lane.

A prize to the first person to snap the signage at Velopark station once it's up!

Well, its all quiet at the moment martin, all dressed up, ready and waiting apart from the signs! :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Velopark/101_4447.jpg

In fact, it has been deserted for so long that nature is beginning to take back over in the reservations - nothing else moves apart from the occasional tumbleweed floating across the silent streetcar sidings on a Summer breeze . . .

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Velopark/101_4449.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Velopark/101_4452.jpg

:banana:

Regarding the undercroft, though, it doesn't seem they have too much to do there, construction-wise. They must've built that platform with future plans for the EML in mind.

Anyway, it will be nice to see people use that platform properly for the first time in almost 20 years. It looks rather dark and lonely at the moment!More like 8, isn't it? I'm fairly sure Bury and Altrincham/Eccles services used different platforms, via the crossover off London Road until around 2003.

More like 8, isn't it? I'm fairly sure Bury and Altrincham/Eccles services used different platforms, via the crossover off London Road until around 2003.

You're probably right, yes. The arrival platform is still very dull nonetheless, and I hope they make an effort to lighten it up a little with the opening to Velo.

Stay safe in these horrific riots, guys.

Croydon Johnny? Don't mourn for them, as they don't for us.

Excellent pictures as ever.

That's a bit short sighted as people's lives are currently being destroyed down here through no fault of their own and many times more are going to have their lives affected by this. Luckily my friends in the affect areas haven't experienced the worst but hiding in your home in fear isn't nice for anyone.

Seems the overheads were damaged in the City Centre area, how fully they can get the line back up and running but unless this madness stops then it's likely more damage is to come.

Returned to the happier sight of Metrolink progress, I have noticed that they are yet to start putting in any railings in, especially at the CMOS stop. Guessing this is to allow construction vehicles to have bit more leeway when moving around the tracks, dumpers can be responsive, just not so with the drivers!

A tiny milestone in the great scheme of things - the first OHLE support cables have been strung across Ashton New Road. Only four of them at the moment (one off camera), just east of the Clayton Hall stop.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc205/loweskid/Skyscrapercity/eml-01.jpg

Cheers, Lowes - here's a few more taken from the bus this afternoon! :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Clayton%20Hall/101_4482.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Clayton%20Hall/101_4487.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Clayton%20Hall/101_4490.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Clayton%20Hall/101_4489.jpg

Not the prettiest of things just yet as span wires go, but as you say, a small milestone, and about to change the face of ANR forever!

:banana:

Welcome to the forum Bob! :-)

Tiny but moderately significant development on the Airport line - today for the first time I saw some MPT people inside the boundary of Chorlton High School, at the bit of land that will soon cease to be school property and become the track before it joins Mauldeth Rd West. I was thinking maybe they want to get it marked off and fenced before the kids go back to school?Quite possibly. On Moor Rd in Baguley they are this week building a tall, solid wooden fence parallel to the road in the fields and car park of the college / school to segregate the construction area.

I know this might be sort of off topic but found the following on Metrolink website:

09/08/2011 - 18:30 Passengers unable to travel into the city centre.

Metrolink Services


At the request of Greater Manchester Police trams will be unable convey passengers into the City Centre area.

Passengers will be unable to travel past Deansgate/Castlefield or Victoria until further notice.


Obviosuly Police arent taking any chances

I know this might be sort of off topic but found the following on Metrolink website:

09/08/2011 - 18:30 Passengers unable to travel into the city centre.

Metrolink Services


At the request of Greater Manchester Police trams will be unable convey passengers into the City Centre area.

Passengers will be unable to travel past Deansgate/Castlefield or Victoria until further notice.


Obviosuly Police arent taking any chances

I hear that some shop in Manchester had they windows smashed and plus u don't what to see tram going up in smoke.

Take good care of yourselves tonight forumers :)

Metrolink Services

Greater Manchester Police have suspended all Metrolink services until further notice.

..

Thanks Johnny. What intrigues me about the line across Ashton Moss is why it's all on concrete slab. I had imagined there would be significant lengths of sleeper track here. The only reason I can think of is concern about ground conditions across the Moss.



I'm now confused about this. Having described what I think was being constructed as above I now notice that there is a pile of twin block sleepers out side the Garden Centre on Ashton Moss. I wonder whether the track form will be twin block sleepers set on the concrete base then cast into a further layer of concrete. I know som sections of relaid track in Croydon were installed like this. It gives the stability of slab track with the ease of renewal of normal railway style rail fixings.

I'm now confused about this. Having described what I think was being constructed as above I now notice that there is a pile of twin block sleepers out side the Garden Centre on Ashton Moss. I wonder whether the track form will be twin block sleepers set on the concrete base then cast into a further layer of concrete. I know som sections of relaid track in Croydon were installed like this. It gives the stability of slab track with the ease of renewal of normal railway style rail fixings.

It could be to support the rails more over the moss area to ensure they don't shift from place.

They seem to have done this in a few other places on the newly constructed sections. The underpass at Trafford Bar, under Ayres Road and the Finback bridge.

They seem to have done this in a few other places on the newly constructed sections. The underpass at Trafford Bar, under Ayres Road and the Finback bridge.

I think in those locations its done to maintain the tight tolerances on track position in relation to structures. Across Ashton Moss I gues its more likely that its to reduce the maintenance costs of keeping a ballasted formation in good condition.

Anyone been to Velopark lately? I did hear a rumour that the mob were attacking ASDA on Tuesday evening, not heard of any damage though.

Anyone been to Velopark lately? I did hear a rumour that the mob were attacking ASDA on Tuesday evening, not heard of any damage though.

Think we should stay on topic now...whats done is done.

Think we should stay on topic now...whats done is done.

Well said!

I hope the yobs are not stealing metal from reinforcement, trackwork, or cabling during this period of unrest.

Think we should stay on topic now...whats done is done.

Yup, I'll agree with that.
Plenty of other places to put the world to rights!

Plenty of other places to put the world to rights!

I've found the pub is usually the best place for that...... :cheers:

Anyway, trying to get back on topic - bus shelter now gone up opposite the Edge Lane stop.

Yes, I know it's pathetic but I said I was trying to get back on topic... :lol:

I hope the yobs are not stealing metal from reinforcement, trackwork, or cabling during this period of unrest.

The shops would've probably being more attractive than the rails, so that's good :)

The shops would've probably being more attractive than the rails, so that's good :)

Some great battering rams there though!

The shops would've probably being more attractive than the rails, so that's good :)

back to topic please!

Anyone seen/know of anything new relating to the EML recently?? Or is all quiet there like the SML was?
Just 1 point - the signs only went up on the SML a few weeks before they wanted to open. Maybe there's hope in that, or am I just being over-optimistic?


^^ there back on topic xD

Anyone seen/know of anything new relating to the EML recently?? Or is all quiet there like the SML was?
Just 1 point - the signs only went up on the SML a few weeks before they wanted to open. Maybe there's hope in that, or am I just being over-optimistic?


^^ there back on topic xD

I'm afraid I think you are being over optimistic. I still believe early next year to Velopark. Be patient. :soon:

As photos on here have shown there's plenty of progress beyond Velopark with the first headspans going up on Ashton New Road and track slab works and much more between Droylsden and Ashton.

Just noticed TfGM have made a press release about the continuing closure of Beal Lane in Shaw. It's now closed until September 4th to allow the River Beal culvert to be strengthened.
http://www.tfgm.com/2009_news.cfm?news_id=9007402?submenuheader=3

09/08/2011 - Droylsden - Villemomble Square
As part of this scheme we will be renewing the urban realm within Villemomble Square. Improvements will include new paving, trees, benches, litter bins, planters, street lighting, the reinstallation of the iconic Droylsden town centre clock and new location for the Christmas tree. The works to renew Villemomble Square have been developed in conjunction with Tameside MBC and will be carried out, in the main, by Tameside operatives.

Work is due to commence during the week commencing 15th August 2011 and will, in the first instance, concentrate on the Manchester Road frontage so that the new paving is completed in time for the Christmas Lights switch on in November. Work will recommence in January 2012 when improvements will be made to the Market Street side of the Square and will include the fitting of the new permanent urban real items such as litter bins, benches etc.

We apologise for any inconvenience caused during these improvements. We will work with Tameside MBC staff to ensure access is maintained and that the work is completed as quickly as possible.


10/08/2011 - Out of hours work at Whitefield Metrolink stop
We are currently undertaking improvement works on the Metrolink stops on the Bury line.

We will be carrying out essential work at Whitefield Metrolink stop outside our normal hours of construction. For safety reasons, this work can only be done while the tram line is closed.

Work will take place overnight between 11pm and 5am from Thursday 18 August to Monday 29 August. Some of our overnight work will require low level lighting and involve use of construction tools and vehicles. These works will inevitably cause some noise. We will aim to keep any disturbance to a minimum. Measures will be adopted to reduce noise wherever possible, for example, by the type of generators that are used, by switching off machinery when it is not in use and by completing any noisy work as quickly as possible.

We apologise for any inconvenience caused. Please bear with us while we improve your Metrolink stop.



Couple of updates

Just noticed TfGM have made a press release about the continuing closure of Beal Lane in Shaw. It's now closed until September 4th to allow the River Beal culvert to be strengthened.
http://www.tfgm.com/2009_news.cfm?news_id=9007402?submenuheader=3

They'd better duck before that one is published in the Oldham Chron!

I was surprised that more exploratory work wasn't done well ahead of time? Any project will run into unforeseen problems but things like this (and the Mumps utility pipe movements) really shouldn't be under that banner imo.

They'd better duck before that one is published in the Oldham Chron!

I was surprised that more exploratory work wasn't done well ahead of time? Any project will run into unforeseen problems but things like this (and the Mumps utility pipe movements) really shouldn't be under that banner imo.

Bit of a thin dividing line here. Do you assume that all culverts will need strengthening, or that no culverts will need strengthening. I am prepared to accept that the full state of play couldn't be seen until the road and rails were dug up.

Regarding the culvert at Beal Lane they should have planned with pessimism and lived in hope, given that the bridge at Linney Lane was limited to single way traffic and the lorries diverted along George street in around 2001.

This is handning the (small) but very vocal antitram lot a whole load of amo to sling.

The fact is whilst the EM & SM lines are new (SM not been a line for 40 odd years) the Loop was a working line and whilst its down its a pain in the back side so you can not blame people for getting annoyed at further delays.

Bit of a thin dividing line here. Do you assume that all culverts will need strengthening, or that no culverts will need strengthening. I am prepared to accept that the full state of play couldn't be seen until the road and rails were dug up.

I am sure these sort of arguments about the costs and work in updating infrastructure were made against retaining / upgrading the heavy rail line!

I am sure these sort of arguments about the costs and work in updating infrastructure were made against retaining / upgrading the heavy rail line!

Good point, and also above. From what I read prior to the conversion beginning, one big repair job could have meant closure of the loop anyway. Certainly from Shaw & Crompton. 6 months after the trams have started, this will be forgotten.

I often use CRB as my interchange stop for any service I need to change to (far less manic than PICC) and today I took a little extra time to watch all the trams passing thorugh from/to all destinations, and it really is quite an amazing sight trams thundering in every two- three minutes from both directions it really has become a very busy place, the network is finally coming of age and one I would say we can be justifyably proud of.

Not sure if this has been added before apologies of so, if not then this is a real taster of whats to come...

http://www.tfgm.com/Metrolink2cc/second_city_crossing_media.cfm

Not sure if this has been added before apologies of so, if not then this is a real taster of whats to come...

http://www.tfgm.com/Metrolink2cc/second_city_crossing_media.cfm

Wow. Really brings it to life.

Neil

Not sure if this has been added before apologies of so, if not then this is a real taster of whats to come...

http://www.tfgm.com/Metrolink2cc/second_city_crossing_media.cfm

WOW!

Not sure if this has been added before apologies of so, if not then this is a real taster of whats to come...

http://www.tfgm.com/Metrolink2cc/second_city_crossing_media.cfm

:banana:

Thats going to be quite the alteration to Victorias wall.

Thats going to be quite the alteration to Victorias wall.

It's OK, I believe the Luftwaffe did something similar in 1941.:naughty:

More exhibitions: next week for the Airport line - presume this park and ride is the one described as Dane Rd - despite not being near Dane Rd Tram stop station ! There isn't much land round Dane Road station for a Park and ride ... !

Residents are invited to view plans for a new Metrolink Park and Ride facility in Sale Water Park, as part of the new airport extension.

www.tfgm.com/2009_news.cfm?news_id=9007406?submenuheader=3

Plans for the Park and Ride will be exhibited at information events over the following three days:
Monday 15 August, 4pm - 7pm at the Waterside, Sale Waterside Library exhibition area, Waterside Plaza, M33 7ZF.
Tuesday 16 August, 4pm - 7pm at the Mersey Valley Visitors' Centre, Rifle Road, Sale Water Park, Sale, M33 2LX.
Wednesday 17 August, 4pm - 7pm at the Waterside, Sale Waterside Library exhibition area, Waterside Plaza, M33 7ZF.

Not sure if this has been added before apologies of so, if not then this is a real taster of whats to come...

http://www.tfgm.com/Metrolink2cc/second_city_crossing_media.cfm

Great video! Does highlight just how much of the 2CC will be shared with general traffic which is worrying.... Is this likely to cause problems?

More exhibitions: next week for the Airport line - presume this park and ride is the one described as Dane Rd - despite not being near Dane Rd Tram stop station ! There isn't much land round Dane Road station for a Park and ride ... !



.

No, Rifle Road, right next to the water park stop where there already is a great big car park

Not sure if this has been added before apologies of so, if not then this is a real taster of whats to come...

http://www.tfgm.com/Metrolink2cc/second_city_crossing_media.cfm

Fantastic :) great to look at 2cc from new angles.

Great video! Does highlight just how much of the 2CC will be shared with general traffic which is worrying....

er... that's what trams do, innit.... :)

Not sure if this has been added before apologies of so, if not then this is a real taster of whats to come...

http://www.tfgm.com/Metrolink2cc/second_city_crossing_media.cfm
Saw that video on a large screen at one of the exhibitions a few weeks ago.

I was standing at the time and I felt that I should have been seated whilst wearing a seat belt. :dizzy:

Very impressed.

Great video! Does highlight just how much of the 2CC will be shared with general traffic which is worrying.... Is this likely to cause problems?

Means they won't be able to do a good estimate of how long it will take for trams to get down 2CC, and therefore when they will slot into the traffic through Victoria/SPS :/ Going to get some very random times between trams at Victoria and the Cornbrook viaduct. Well at least by then we will have working PIDs. They will be VERY useful when 2CC is running!

Great video! Does highlight just how much of the 2CC will be shared with general traffic which is worrying.... Is this likely to cause problems?
There will be restrictions on general traffic, i.e no through routes.

So shouldn't present any more problems than at present

There will be restrictions on general traffic, i.e no through routes.

So shouldn't present any more problems than at present

It will be interesting to see what traffic management measures are included on the Transport and Works Act Order.

Good point, and also above. From what I read prior to the conversion beginning, one big repair job could have meant closure of the loop anyway. Certainly from Shaw & Crompton. 6 months after the trams have started, this will be forgotten.

It's easy to be clever after the event. The records of some of the structures on railway routes are still very varied in accuracy particularly where maintenance has been limited. I understand that the condition of the bridges through Smedley were similarly far worse than what first inspections anticipated.

Loving that video - wish we could have one for all the lines!!

Anyone seen/know of anything new relating to the EML recently?? Or is all quiet there like the SML was?
Just 1 point - the signs only went up on the SML a few weeks before they wanted to open. Maybe there's hope in that, or am I just being over-optimistic?


We do seem to have hit a hiatus, Kriis, one bit of the line ready to go-go but waiting for the TMS, and the rest still mainly construction sites, not very photogenic!

Anyway, for an overview of the current state of play, I thought I would take a ride along the whole of the street-running section, between Clayton and Audenshaw. Not much to look at just now, but this is how things stand to-day.

Approaching Clayton Hall from the Grove Inn, proceeding East :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Clayton%20Hall/101_4586.jpg

Clayton Hall tramstop seen from Eccleshall Street, St Cross prominent :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Clayton%20Hall/101_4430.jpg

Seen from Clayton Lane, I am very impressed by the way they have arranged this paving, to slope gradually down to Ashton New Road on the left :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Clayton%20Hall/101_4501.jpg

Looking from Ashton New Road :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Clayton%20Hall/101_4500.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Clayton%20Hall/101_4499.jpg

The tramlines now move out into the street for about 2 ½ miles :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Clayton%20Hall/101_4588.jpg

“Leaving Manchester, a steady climb – the gradient’s against her, but she’s on time” :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Clayton%20Hall/101_4594.jpg

The three red masts of Edge Lane tramstop come into view at the boundary, centre horizon :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Clayton%20Hall/101_4512.jpg

“The Banana boat rolls over the border, bringing a breath of a bright new order” :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Clayton%20Hall/101_4513.jpg

Edge Lane tramstop - the new bus stops as mentioned by Loweskid are on the left behind the red line, both routes now being adjacent rather than on different roads, facilitating interchange :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Edge%20Lane/101_4515.jpg

Back to the traditional street tramway along Manchester Road :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Edge%20Lane/101_4516.jpg

The outbound track now swings over towards the left hand kerb, to create a right-turning pocket for road vehicles into Martins Way :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Edge%20Lane/101_4517.jpg

IMO it doesn’t actually need such a long pocket, and the line’s proximity to the garden gates on the left is not very satisfactory :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Edge%20Lane/101_4518.jpg

It also creates a somewhat inelegant layout in the streetscene, (again IMHO!). The Jolly Carter comes into view on the right :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Edge%20Lane/101_4519.jpg

Swinging right into Cemetery Road tramstop :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Edge%20Lane/101_4520.jpg

Perhaps it was not feasible to create an island platform here – the layout is similar to that at Weaste. However, it may be my imagination but I have the impression that the track has been lowered slightly, to reduce the height of the platforms :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Cemetery%20Road/101_4523.jpg

Passing Droylsden Police Station on the right :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Cemetery%20Road/101_4524.jpg

Approaching Tesco’s on the left, we encounter the first break in the track since the rise just East of Velopark :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Cemetery%20Road/101_4525.jpg

Both tracks start again on the approach to the Library :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Cemetery%20Road/101_4526.jpg

Again the layout is asymmetrical to allow for right turns, but elegance is added by the brow of the old canal bridge :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Cemetery%20Road/101_4527.jpg

The prominent Co-operative Hall, now a night club, points up the centre of Droylsden :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Cemetery%20Road/101_4528.jpg

:omg: Villemomble Square has all but disappeared! Here at the moment is another short gap in both rails, the Westbound one ending bottom right :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/101_4529.jpg

However, this week’s press release assures us that the iconic Clock Tower, seats, planters etc will be back in time for Xmas!! :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/101_4530.jpg

Both rails, albeit widely spaced again, have re-appeared across Market Street, hopefully obviating any further North-South disruption. The Eastbound one is just about in shot, passing under the blue arrow, left :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/101_4531.jpg

The base of the island platform is now in place for the temporary terminus, East of Market Street :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/101_4532.jpg

Approaching the facing crossover for turnbacks :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/101_4533.jpg

In order to change ends in the middle of the road, the crossover will lead to a single trambaan, raised above the road traffic surface on either side. All this extra work, incuding the Oldham duplications, resulted from the hesitations of Alistair Darling, splitting Phase 3 into temporary stages :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/101_4534.jpg

The trambaan, however, will continue in the centre of the road all the way to Audenshaw, for Westbound trams coming towards the camera, approximately along the line of the red & white blockers. The Eastbound line will be in with the other traffic like Mosley Street :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/101_4535.jpg

No more track for now, (apart from bits on Phase 3b at Audenshaw tramstop; on the roundabout over Ashton Moss, and some loosely placed behind the Snipe) :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Ashton/Audenshaw/101_4538.jpg

Approaching the corner of the gyratory at Audenshaw :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Ashton/Audenshaw/101_4539.jpg

It will have to cross a complicated 3-way junction :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Ashton/Audenshaw/101_4540.jpg

This stop, Audenshaw would have been a far more sensible location for a turn back siding, having plenty of room off-road :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Ashton/Audenshaw/101_4552.jpg

This is effectively the end of the street running alignment, but the route will cross right to left again at the end of Droylsden Road ahead by the green lights :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Ashton/Audenshaw/101_4542.jpg

Where Droylsden Road becomes Manchester Road again, the route crosses to a reserved way on the left :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Ashton/Audenshaw/101_4543.jpg

After crossing Gainsboro Road, the route passes behind the Snipe :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Ashton/Audenshaw/101_4548.jpg

Continuing off-road towards the Sheldon Hotel :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Ashton/Audenshaw/101_4546.jpg

Finally, a glance back from the Sheldon towards Manchester :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Ashton/Audenshaw/101_4545.jpg

:banana:

Fantastic update as ever, Johnny. The red poles at Edge Lane are certainly growing on me.

Cheers for update johnny...interestingly the photo of the lines swinging right into the Cemetery Rd stop reminds me very much of the alignment into the Weaste stop on ENR.

Excellent email from TfGMM yesterday...

Dear Mr Xyz,

Thank you for your email.

Firstly I would like to apologise for the delay in responding to your enquiry.

In relation to the Tram Management System (TMS) the key factor of the programme of work is to prepare the existing network with the capability of operating with substantially increased number of trams and passengers. The upgrade of the operational management system is also a crucial factor in operating the extended Metrolink network. This involves implementing the new TMS which is based on line of sight operations. This will give the necessary increase in capacity to incorporate the Metrolink extensions and provide a range of passenger and operational benefits.

The introduction of the new TMS is a complex undertaking, requiring integration with the old signalling systems on the Bury and Altrincham lines and the original line of sight system in the city centre until the whole network is converted to TMS. The roll-out of the TMS requires careful management to ensure minimal impact on current operations and passenger service. Work is mainly undertaken during out of hours “white periods” when the trams are not operating, or within limited weekend closures. At every stage of the expansion programme, safety verification must be obtained in accordance with statutory obligations for the operations of a tramway. This process can often be lengthy and require design and implementation review.

The current Metrolink system has two separate signalling systems:
• Line of sight in the City Centre and on the Eccles line using a Vehicle Recognition System (VRS); and
• Heavy rail type fixed block signalling on the Bury and Altrincham lines, which operates using fixed signals and Automatic Tram Stop (ATS) equipment

The current line of sight system is a limited proprietary design dating from the early 1990`s and is difficult to maintain and the current signalling system on the Bury and Altrincham Lines, again using 1990’s technology, could not provide sufficient capacity in the Cornbrook area to handle the planned increase in the number of services for the network extensions. To provide the necessary capacity increases, frequency improvements, service recovery capability and performance monitoring a new Tram Management System (TMS) is being introduced which will enable the expanded system to run more efficiently. The TMS will provide real time information to be delivered to Passenger Information Displays on the stops, which will enable passengers to be informed of the next tram destination and time of its arrival.

Transition of the Phase 1 and 2 sections to the new TMS will be carried out in stages as a full system switchover would require a close down of the entire Metrolink system for a considerable period in order to implement the changes and subsequently train all the drivers, control room staff and maintainers. Implementation of the first stage of TMS at Media CityUK highlighted a number of technical and interface issues with the existing signalling system. To address these issues, adjustments were made to the TMS design prior to the opening of the MediaCityUK shuttle service. The first application was the Eccles line which has been fully controlled by the new system from Pomona, through MediaCityUK to Eccles. The adjustments have been incorporated into subsequent designs and the
solution will be progressively introduced on the remaining lines.

With regard to the closure of the Metrolink stop on Mosley Street. Prior to the closure of the Mosley Street stop TfGM intend to introduce passenger information screens to advise passengers where the next Altrincham line service will depart from . You are correct that these information screens will utilise the TMS.

If you require any further information, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Kind regards,


Steve Burns
Metrolink Stakeholder Manager, Metrolink Projects
Transport for Greater Manchester

2 Piccadilly Place, Manchester M1 3BG
Direct line 0161 244 1242 Office fax 0161 244 1316
www.tfgm.com

Please note: GMPTE has now changed its name to Transport for Greater Manchester. Your email will be automatically redirected for a time but please update your contacts.
 Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to!

More exhibitions: next week for the Airport line - presume this park and ride is the one described as Dane Rd - despite not being near Dane Rd Tram stop station ! There isn't much land round Dane Road station for a Park and ride ... !

Residents are invited to view plans for a new Metrolink Park and Ride facility in Sale Water Park, as part of the new airport extension.

www.tfgm.com/2009_news.cfm?news_id=9007406?submenuheader=3

Plans for the Park and Ride will be exhibited at information events over the following three days:
Monday 15 August, 4pm - 7pm at the Waterside, Sale Waterside Library exhibition area, Waterside Plaza, M33 7ZF.
Tuesday 16 August, 4pm - 7pm at the Mersey Valley Visitors' Centre, Rifle Road, Sale Water Park, Sale, M33 2LX.
Wednesday 17 August, 4pm - 7pm at the Waterside, Sale Waterside Library exhibition area, Waterside Plaza, M33 7ZF.

I wonder if using the P&R there would be cheaper than parking at the Airport when you go on your hols? :lol:

Just driven past 3039 on the ring road!!!

Bury line refurbs are progressing well, lots of painting, replacing cable conduits, holes in the shelters being repaired and yellow arch installation going on as I went past.

Super pics, just a quick question, all the money spent improving areas where the new stops are, looking at the pics where the tram lines are running up and down Ashton new road, it looks shoddy. The pavements are a mismatch of tarmac and flags; same in the road it just looks messy. Are they going to improve the pavements/roads or is this is how it looks finished?

Super pics, just a quick question, all the money spent improving areas where the new stops are, looking at the pics where the tram lines are running up and down Ashton new road, it looks shoddy. The pavements are a mismatch of tarmac and flags; same in the road it just looks messy. Are they going to improve the pavements/roads or is this is how it looks finished?

The pavements, certainly in Droylsden and towards Clayton, are a mess at the moment but there's still plenty of work to be done which will involve digging them up - lights, traffic lights, some OHLE poles still to be put in etc. Some of the pavements down towards Clayton Hall are nearly finished - I think they still need the final layer of tarmac but I presume that will be the last thing done when all the other work is finished.

I believe Tameside are to have paving rather than tarmac - I think someone mentioned it on this thread a while back (Johnny..?).

The road itself is finished where the tracks are but I think it will look better when all the road markings are down. I hope it will get cleaned up a bit before they do that.

Keep the faith - I think it will look pretty smart when all is finished and those bananas are trundling up the road.

I just hit lucky, was around queens road and saw 3039 being delivered. Pics to follow when I get in

I just hit lucky, was around queens road and saw 3039 being delivered. Pics to follow when I get in

I had a spare few hours today, so I went towards Queens Road depot to have a look how Metrolink were getting on turning back so many trams at the depot crossover (well, 3 turnbacks every 12 mins whilst having 2 Bury services running past at the same time). I was stood on Queens Road bridge and out of the corner of my eye, that massive truck popped out around the trees with 3039 on it!! LUCKY MEE!!:banana: I ran over to the viewpoint of the depot from the hill and got a few pics for the forum... so here goes :p

3039 stands on top of its trailer in his new home:
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6081/6038896074_dbf69faa4d_b.jpg

Worker tests the couplers:
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6205/6038348453_1846e4feea_b.jpg

Rolling off the trailer:
I made a video of it coming off the trailer... will have to link it later once its uploaded
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6182/6038899994_70357998fb_b.jpg

3039 then gets a little assistance off 1027 to get onto the tracks with OHLE:
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6068/6038352427_70c42d5116_b.jpg
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6209/6038901940_cf4395bf87_b.jpg

He was then pulled into the old end track and they did a few tests on the pantograph and doors.


BTW, those of you who want some old Metrolink heritage.... they have a stack of the old signs at the depot - wouldn't hurt to ask them for one :lol:
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6147/6038897334_8b35fcfeff_b.jpg

Did it travel all the way from Germany with "Piccadilly" on the display? Quite impressive with no OHLE on the Autobahns/Motorways to get juice from!

Did it travel all the way from Germany with "Piccadilly" on the display? Quite impressive with no OHLE on the Autobahns/Motorways to get juice from!

That's what me and Adam were discussing.... the lights and displays work without pantograph power.... batteries??

Here is a link to the video of 3039 leaving its trailer - I couldn't get it to load on here in a player :/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kriis101/6038378727/

Cheers, kriis! I guess it's just lowered by a winch under gravity to get off the trailer.

Cheers, kriis! I guess it's just lowered by a winch under gravity to get off the trailer.

Yeah, I could seen the winchline when it was halfway off, don't think you can see it in the video though.

I wonder if using the P&R there would be cheaper than parking at the Airport when you go on your hols? :lol:

I would think thats very much a market they are aiming at.

Yeah, I could seen the winchline when it was halfway off, don't think you can see it in the video though.

But no bogies!!!

I would think thats very much a market they are aiming at.

Much more likely that they are aiming to intercept drivers heading into the city centre.

Question - can anyone tell me when the row of houses, and the old parcels office, were demolished at Edge Lane, Droylsden, to make way for the tram stop? I distinctly remember taking some photographs of them shortly before they were demolished but I'm buggered if I can find them. If I can narrow it down to a year or two I might be able to locate them without wading through dozens of CDs. I've got several thousand digital photos and now have a good database system but some of my earliest digital photos are scattered about on odd CDs and I haven't got around to indexing them yet.

Question - can anyone tell me when the row of houses, and the old parcels office, were demolished at Edge Lane, Droylsden, to make way for the tram stop? I distinctly remember taking some photographs of them shortly before they were demolished but I'm buggered if I can find them. If I can narrow it down to a year or two I might be able to locate them without wading through dozens of CDs. I've got several thousand digital photos and now have a good database system but some of my earliest digital photos are scattered about on odd CDs and I haven't got around to indexing them yet.

I remember them going as I used to drive past them to and from work but I can't remember the date they went. However I 'd guess around 2003 as the whole project was cancelled in July 2004. I reckon Johnny will know though.

I remember them going as I used to drive past them to and from work but I can't remember the date they went. However I 'd guess around 2003 as the whole project was cancelled in July 2003. I reckon Johnny will know though.

haha Johnny knows everything as long as it doesn't involve a capacitor or thyristor :lol:

Hi

Good Pictures everyone who took them and good video Kriis101.

Have anyone been down to Piccadilly to see what they have been doing today and also do anyone know if they have done any testing to Central Park or Eastlands in last few weeks.

Question - can anyone tell me when the row of houses, and the old parcels office, were demolished at Edge Lane, Droylsden, to make way for the tram stop? .

Yes I'm pretty sure it was 2003 (Actually Freel, Darling's cancellation was July 2004) so it could have been the first half of that. I may be able to pinpoint it more precisely after a rummage.

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/IMG_0001-14.jpg

Fascinating pix of 3039 arriving & commissioning Kriis, serendipity!

Don't worry, dreamweaver, they haven't even started the pavements as yet, more digging to do, but those bits near Clayton Hall are coming on nicely.

And - - - we've had letters that they are coming our way next week, whoopee!!:nuts::cheers: Can they have permission to pave our drives? Does the Pope speak from a balcony and wear a white dress? You bet you! :- Not 'arf! And some . . .

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Edge%20Lane/IMG-1.jpg

BTW thanks for comments about my views of the street running section in the East. Apologies for spamming the thread, but would you like to see a few shots of the return journey from Audenshaw to Droylsden? OK, if you insist . . .

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/101_4555.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/101_4557.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/101_4559.jpg

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Hi

Good Pictures everyone who took them and good video Kriis101.

Have anyone been down to Piccadilly to see what they have been doing today and also do anyone know if they have done any testing to Central Park or Eastlands in last few weeks.

The work in Piccadilly Gardens is some renewals around the points on the Piccadilly Branch. I think that at Piccadilly they are working on the transition rails between the grooved street rail and the flat bottom rails in the tunnels.

there has been no further testing on the East Manchester Line since that initial series of tests last month. As far as I know the same goes for Central Park since early this year.

Yes I'm pretty sure it was 2003 (Actually Freel, Darling's cancellation was July 2004) so it could have been the first half of that. I may be able to pinpoint it more precisely after a rummage.



I realised I had made a stupid typo when I read my own post! I should read things before I submit them.

Nice set of photos as well. The alignment through that Droylsden crossover looks a bit odd doesn't it.

Jonny d r - great pictures! Looks like they're going through with it then.

Kriis - well spotted! So how do you take a tram off a trailer? Slowly.

Much more likely that they are aiming to intercept drivers heading into the city centre.

Inreailty this stop is too far out of the City Centre, this stop has been stratesically placed with P&R to attract MAN businees.

How many more :banana: is left to come?

How many more :banana: is left to come?

At least 25, but maybe 60. Or even more :D

Look at the complicated crossover in front of Victoria!
http://www.tfgm.com/Metrolink2cc/pdfs/11-Traffic-Flow-Cross-Corp-Street.pdf

At least 25, but maybe 60. Or even more :D

23!

We have 62 on order for all the planned extensions!

Look at the complicated crossover in front of Victoria!
http://www.tfgm.com/Metrolink2cc/pdfs/11-Traffic-Flow-Cross-Corp-Street.pdf

That's one for the TMS boffins! :lol:

Much more likely that they are aiming to intercept drivers heading into the city centre.

Not sure I agree...parking at the airport is vv expensive, and there are several P&R`s drivers could use already for drivers heading into town to use. I think a P&R facility for the airport is an excellent idea.

Look at the complicated crossover in front of Victoria!
http://www.tfgm.com/Metrolink2cc/pdfs/11-Traffic-Flow-Cross-Corp-Street.pdf

Fascinating, Watcher - is that from the Planning Application?

It seems to ensure that even with the new multi-platform arrangement, trams to and from both Bury and Oldham directions will be able to use either 1CC or 2CC? - thus maximising the options and allowing them to leave decisions about through workings until the last minute . . .

Ah well, despite the delays, there's always a little bit of progress creeping forward somewhere to keep us going - one example, the track is now in place from Dean Lane through to the finback bridge :-

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If I'm not mistaken, I think this means the track is now continuous from Smedley to Werneth? Happy days.
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Not sure I agree...parking at the airport is vv expensive, and there are several P&R`s drivers could use already for drivers heading into town to use. I think a P&R facility for the airport is an excellent idea.


I dunno, what is Metrolink for? Reducing traffic congestion on the roads into Manchester or providing cheap parking for holidaymakers?

I dunno, what is Metrolink for? Reducing traffic congestion on the roads into Manchester or providing cheap parking for holidaymakers?

why not both? lets see what happens when its open.:banana::banana:

I dunno, what is Metrolink for? Reducing traffic congestion on the roads into Manchester or providing cheap parking for holidaymakers?

Metrolink is not about reducing congestion, never has been in reality.

It creates additional capacity to allow more people to travel with the same congestion thus reducing the economic constraints of how many people can move around the city.

why not both? lets see what happens when its open.:banana::banana:

Would not a long term car park require a whole different and more expensive set up than a commuter car park?

Metrolink is not about reducing congestion, never has been in reality.

It creates additional capacity to allow more people to travel with the same congestion thus reducing the economic constraints of how many people can move around the city.

You're playing with semantics sir:cheers:

If things dont go to plan they could always borrow this from southport :lol:.
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If things dont go to plan they could always borrow this from southport :lol:.
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That thing is rubbish! It goes at about 1mph! :lol:

East Manchester Line - Vicinity of Ashton Terminus

BTW great photos by JdR of the Rochdale/Oldham line.

Yesterday was in Ashton town centre and took a couple of Shots.

Looking west from the pedestrian crossing near Sainsburys towards Ashton Moss, Droylsden and Manchester.
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Looking east from the same spot. Great to see a couple of trackbeds concreted in.
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At Oldham Street, looking west.
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At Oldham Street, looking east towards the site of the terminus. Not much going on, calm before the storm (wishful thinking).
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Would not a long term car park require a whole different and more expensive set up than a commuter car park?

Yes it probably would, but we`ll have to see what they`ve got lined up for this, but I would have thought Metrolink must have thought about a potential market in this.

Fascinating, Watcher - is that from the Planning Application?

It seems to ensure that even with the new multi-platform arrangement, trams to and from both Bury and Oldham directions will be able to use either 1CC or 2CC? - thus maximising the options and allowing them to leave decisions about through workings until the last minute . . .


Traffic flow diagrams from the public consultation.

The other two are Lower Mosley/St Peters
http://www.tfgm.com/Metrolink2CC/pdfs/13-Traffic-flow-SPS.pdf

Princess St
http://www.tfgm.com/Metrolink2CC/pdfs/12-Traffic-flow-Princess-Street.pdf

Great photos everyone!

I poked my head into the under-croft at Piccadilly and they were making good progress replacing rails in the station area. There were a few pieces of on track plant parked in the reverse sidings but no actual work going on there or at the back of Piccadilly either.

Traffic flow diagrams from the public consultation.

The other two are Lower Mosley/St Peters
http://www.tfgm.com/Metrolink2CC/pdfs/13-Traffic-flow-SPS.pdf

Princess St
http://www.tfgm.com/Metrolink2CC/pdfs/12-Traffic-flow-Princess-Street.pdf

Has anyone got an up-to-date version of the track inside Victoria station (I mean the plans for the Victoria update)
We can see the track crossings city centre side of Victoria on those plans, but what will the layout of the points be at the Bury end??

Kriis I dont believe they really have alot of options to take for the Bury End. I would take a guess that the middle platform will be for trams terminating at Victoria from the city and will be a dead end end. The two outside lines will continue through as they do now. I think the space where the old railway siding was at Platform one will have lines on. That massive concrete and brick structure to protect the pillars of the roof (which are being knocked down anyway) will have to go

Hi

Good picture at Dean Lane Johnny and at Ashton Under Lynn Ashtonian. Johnny u was saying that "If I'm not mistaken, I think this means the track is now continuous from Smedley to Werneth?", if I right then on Oldham line to Mumps the unlet bit they haven't got track down is at under Featherstall Road South bridge ya they got track down at werneth station to Mumps.

Kriis I dont believe they really have alot of options to take for the Bury End. I would take a guess that the middle platform will be for trams terminating at Victoria from the city and will be a dead end end. The two outside lines will continue through as they do now. I think the space where the old railway siding was at Platform one will have lines on. That massive concrete and brick structure to protect the pillars of the roof (which are being knocked down anyway) will have to go

I think it will be kept simple but not a dead end siding instead a pocket siding with access from all tracks.

If we label the platforms 1-3 (west to east) and check their potential routes south.

Platform 1, arrivals from both 2cc and 1cc only (Platform will handle only departures northbound)
Platform 2, can access all arrivals and departures (Could handle any possible service direction)
Platform 3, all departures and arrivals from 1cc only (Departures to all routes south and possibly a turnback from 1cc)

This means I believe the existing island platform would be dedicated to travelling north and a new island platform dedicated to heading south, meanwhile the single track inbetween would be bi-directional and accessible from both platforms.

Edit: A bit like this station on the DLR though not a terminus

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Tower_Gateway_DLR_stn_departure_platform_look_west.JPG

I wonder if using the P&R there would be cheaper than parking at the Airport when you go on your hols? :lol:
Not sure I would want to leave my car in such an isolated spot, as opposed to one with 24hour security at the airport, whilst I jetted off for a fortnight in the sun.

I think it will be kept simple but not a dead end siding instead a pocket siding with access from all tracks.

If we label the platforms 1-3 (west to east) and check their potential routes south.

Platform 1, arrivals from both 2cc and 1cc only (Platform will handle only departures northbound)
Platform 2, can access all arrivals and departures (Could handle any possible service direction)
Platform 3, all departures and arrivals from 1cc only (Departures to all routes south and possibly a turnback from 1cc)

This means I believe the existing island platform would be dedicated to travelling north and a new island platform dedicated to heading south, meanwhile the single track inbetween would be bi-directional and accessible from both platforms.

Edit: A bit like this station on the DLR though not a terminus

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Tower_Gateway_DLR_stn_departure_platform_look_west.JPG


A good guess? :-
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I see how you mean, top track would be East only, bottom track West only and centre for turnbacks (for terminating from both directions if necessary - like last Tuesday on Bury line)

Not sure I would want to leave my car in such an isolated spot, as opposed to one with 24hour security at the airport, whilst I jetted off for a fortnight in the sun.


If they were going for the airport market I should imagine it will be a manned Car Park, time will tell.

Not sure I would want to leave my car in such an isolated spot, as opposed to one with 24hour security at the airport, whilst I jetted off for a fortnight in the sun.

Me neither! I somehow doubt they are really aiming at that market as the trams aren't really kitted out for loads of luggage. Obviously though it could develop as a sideline. The original idea when the loop was proposed had been that the trains would deal with the passengers and the tram the workforce as they had a tough target for public transport journies to the airport and with staff making an average of 5 return trips a week against the odd one for passengers it would really help.

Me neither! I somehow doubt they are really aiming at that market as the trams aren't really kitted out for loads of luggage. Obviously though it could develop as a sideline. The original idea when the loop was proposed had been that the trains would deal with the passengers and the tram the workforce as they had a tough target for public transport journies to the airport and with staff making an average of 5 return trips a week against the odd one for passengers it would really help.

I agree, but I would like to point out that the new trams have a greater capacity for travelers carrying luggage, f they sensible locate themselves in the middle part of the vehicle.

Although as we know any time during the rush hour is not the time to journey with anything larger than a newspaper.

The airport line is a "jewel in the crown" for Metrolink,(after MC of course) it speaks volumes re green issues, convenience, if not why are millions being spent in this line? the trams can easily take baggage, they are not going to have dozens of bags on board at any one time, if LU on the PICC line Metrolink will have no problem.

The airport line is a "jewel in the crown" for Metrolink,(after MC of course) it speaks volumes re green issues, convenience, if not why are millions being spent in this line? the trams can easily take baggage, they are not going to have dozens of bags on board at any one time, if LU on the PICC line Metrolink will have no problem.

I'm not so sure about the Airport Line being the jewel in the crown. After Phase 1 the Ashton Line apparently had the best business case of any of the extensions. Since then the Airport Line has been cut back to a terminal rather than the hoped for loop. How this affects the business case I don't know.

The airport line is a "jewel in the crown" for Metrolink,(after MC of course) it speaks volumes re green issues, convenience, if not why are millions being spent in this line? the trams can easily take baggage, they are not going to have dozens of bags on board at any one time, if LU on the PICC line Metrolink will have no problem.

My take on this - and please somebody correct me if I'm wrong - but whilst Manchester Airport is the ultimate destination, surely it's all the places it passes through that provide the line with its real value? Similarly, I would venture to suggest that many of the passengers on this service will be workers at the Airport: doesn't Wythenshawe provide quite a proportion of the workforce?

Yes, of course the line will carry passengers but think about where they are coming-from. If I take my train from Derbyshire, it would make sense to hop onto a heavy rail service to the Airport: there wouldn't me much sense in changing to the tram. However, if I lived on the Metrolink network, then taking the tram might be an option, although I might just say 'sod it' and get a cab. All depends where you're coming from.

Neil

My take on this - and please somebody correct me if I'm wrong - but whilst Manchester Airport is the ultimate destination, surely it's all the places it passes through that provide the line with its real value? Similarly, I would venture to suggest that many of the passengers on this service will be workers at the Airport: doesn't Wythenshawe provide quite a proportion of the workforce?

Yes, of course the line will carry passengers but think about where they are coming-from. If I take my train from Derbyshire, it would make sense to hop onto a heavy rail service to the Airport: there wouldn't me much sense in changing to the tram. However, if I lived on the Metrolink network, then taking the tram might be an option, although I might just say 'sod it' and get a cab. All depends where you're coming from.

Neil

What proportion of the staff do you think Wythenshawe might provide?

You're playing with semantics sir:cheers:

I'm not.

Claiming congestion will be reduced is very different from claiing additional capacity will be created.

What proportion of the staff do you think Wythenshawe might provide?

No idea. However, taking a look at this random document http://www.manchester.gov.uk/egov_downloads/Airport_City.pdf, the following quote is significant: "The Wythenshawe SRF (Strategic Redeveopment Framework) specifically identifies the Airport as a key regional asset for which the continued development, both on site and off, and through supply chain and related developments will continue to provide a range of employment opportunities".

I would suggest that this is where the line's potential exists, not ferrying holidaymakers on their way to the beach.

Neil

A good guess? :-
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6182/6042696496_7efd41fb2d_b.jpg
I see how you mean, top track would be East only, bottom track West only and centre for turnbacks (for terminating from both directions if necessary - like last Tuesday on Bury line)

Thanks for that Kriis, helped me to get my head round the purpose of all those crossovers.

I think actually it is even more flexible than that, as the centre road can accommodate through journeys and even cross-platform interchange, as at St Peter's Square Southbound. So with line-of-sight working you might have say, an Oldham at one platform, waiting for a Bury OR an Altrincham to pull in beside it before departing!! Victoria is of course also the point (similar to Cornbrook in this respect) where ro2bapurdie and others will have to change between the two Northern lines.

However, for timetabled movements of this nature in both directions, you would need a watertight signalling system to prevent conflicting movements, so with such frequent headways I guess the above scenario is more likely to happen by luck rather than good management!! (Unlike the Rochdale terminus, I think the timetable will have to allow a lot longer than 3 seconds to clear this single-line section!)

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Yes, of course the line will carry passengers but think about where they are coming-from. If I take my train from Derbyshire, it would make sense to hop onto a heavy rail service to the Airport: there wouldn't me much sense in changing to the tram. However, if I lived on the Metrolink network, then taking the tram might be an option, although I might just say 'sod it' and get a cab. All depends where you're coming from.

Neil

If I was to use Metrolink to get to the Airport I would start at Eccles, then change at Cornbrook for the Airport.

But I wouldn't really do that as metrolink will still be longer (at least 20 mins to Cornbrook, possible 12 minute wait there, and at least 35 to 40 mins on the tram is about an hour and 10 minutes .)

However , the fastest way is still by train. About 22 minutes to Deansgate, walk over the bridge and poss 5 or 6 minute wait for train which is direct, 15 to 20 minutes on the train, so it's about 50 to 55 minutes max, and you end up in exactly the same place.

I'm sure the tram could have been used to better advantage ie going right past all the terminals with stops nearer,and continuing to the cargo centre where many work, than the station which for many is quite a hike from any terminal. In Zurich, the new number 10 tram goes straight to the front door and you walk straight in!

Then again, on a sunday it's even better as the Eccles trains go to the airport. I've managed to be home within 50 minutes of the plane touching down which is good going, considering you have to wait for luggage , walk to the station, buy a ticket etc. Hopefully when the Eccles line is electrified, more trains will go to the airport, but they are keeping stumm about the new services!

I'm not.

Claiming congestion will be reduced is very different from claiing additional capacity will be created.

"It creates additional capacity to allow more people to travel with the same congestion"

OK,reducing the increase in congestion, semantics!

The congestion (or increase in congestion) will be the same, but there will be more jobs, because 10 tram loads of extra people can be brought into the city every morning (assuming the morning commute is between 7am and 9am).

The congestion (or increase in congestion) will be the same, but there will be more jobs, because 10 tram loads of extra people can be brought into the city every morning (assuming the morning commute is between 7am and 9am).

No, the economy dictates the number of jobs, Metrolink just gets people to them.

If I was to use Metrolink to get to the Airport I would start at Eccles, then change at Cornbrook for the Airport.

But I wouldn't really do that as metrolink will still be longer (at least 20 mins to Cornbrook, possible 12 minute wait there, and at least 35 to 40 mins on the tram is about an hour and 10 minutes .)

However , the fastest way is still by train. About 22 minutes to Deansgate, walk over the bridge and poss 5 or 6 minute wait for train which is direct, 15 to 20 minutes on the train, so it's about 50 to 55 minutes max, and you end up in exactly the same place.

I'm sure the tram could have been used to better advantage ie going right past all the terminals with stops nearer,and continuing to the cargo centre where many work, than the station which for many is quite a hike from any terminal. In Zurich, the new number 10 tram goes straight to the front door and you walk straight in!

Then again, on a sunday it's even better as the Eccles trains go to the airport. I've managed to be home within 50 minutes of the plane touching down which is good going, considering you have to wait for luggage , walk to the station, buy a ticket etc. Hopefully when the Eccles line is electrified, more trains will go to the airport, but they are keeping stumm about the new services!

Should be even better if tfgm can get a cross mode smaetcard integrated ticketing system in place

No, the economy dictates the number of jobs, Metrolink just gets people to them.

Not entierly true.

If there are 200,000 people working in the city centre and the transport network can only shift 200,000 people in and out of the city in the rush hours then clearly new companies are much less likely to move to the city and existing companies may be less willing to expand.

It may be that staff are not willing to sit in traffic jams for several hours a day or they are not willing to spend a fortune on car parking.

If you increase that capacity from 200,000 to 300,000 that will stimulate more growth in areas that have been constrained by previous congestion.

If new areas of people can suddenly apply for jobs in the city centre because that area suddenly has better transport links the companies based in the city centre have a better, potentially more skilled people, available to work for them - that will stimulate growth.

If you increase that capacity from 200,000 to 300,000 that will stimulate more growth in areas that have been constrained by previous congestion.




In other words, reduce congestion :lol:

There seems to be some description of work going on at the Airport behind the station building, i'm guessing for the Metro. If so what are they doing, if any knows.

Also on a Airport line theme...

Barlow Moor Road junction is now being reshaped to give more space for cars in preparation for the trams..

Also, there is now a small compound set up within the grounds of Chorlton High School with a digger, so expect to see some action there soon!

More with the Airport line the sewer holes (That's what I think they are anyway) along Hollyhedge are coming on well, they just about to start the one on the end of Woodhouse Lane.

Carn't be long until track been laid now, carn't see them removing the one-way to only re-intoduce it later down the line.

Can't be long until the mature trees on the central res of Mauldeth Woad West get the chop... I think that will dramatically change the look and feel of the road, quite interested to see it actually...

If I was to use Metrolink to get to the Airport I would start at Eccles, then change at Cornbrook for the Airport.

But I wouldn't really do that as metrolink will still be longer (at least 20 mins to Cornbrook, possible 12 minute wait there, and at least 35 to 40 mins on the tram is about an hour and 10 minutes .)

However , the fastest way is still by train. About 22 minutes to Deansgate, walk over the bridge and poss 5 or 6 minute wait for train which is direct, 15 to 20 minutes on the train, so it's about 50 to 55 minutes max, and you end up in exactly the same place.

Or possibly even take the bus to Salford Crescent and take the train to the airport from there. That would probably work out at about 50 minutes.

Also on a Airport line theme...

Barlow Moor Road junction is now being reshaped to give more space for cars in preparation for the trams..

Also, there is now a small compound set up within the grounds of Chorlton High School with a digger, so expect to see some action there soon!

I don't think the compound has anything to do with Metrolink, more likely to be connected to the sewer replacement works on Nell Lane, unless they have made quite serious changes to the line through the school grounds.

I don't think the compound has anything to do with Metrolink, more likely to be connected to the sewer replacement works on Nell Lane, unless they have made quite serious changes to the line through the school grounds.

it could be a Metrolink compound. There is one in the Manchester Health Academy grounds already.

(Towards the new Aldi and Wickes)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6182/6042696496_7efd41fb2d_b.jpg

I think actually it is even more flexible than that, as the centre road can accommodate through journeys and even cross-platform interchange, as at St Peter's Square Southbound. So with line-of-sight working you might have say, an Oldham at the top platform, waiting for a Bury OR an Altrincham to pull in beside it on the centre road, before departing!!



Looking again at your diagram, Kriis, my imagination runs riot a bit further, to suggest that in addition to the above, you could also conceivably have an Ashton tram on the third road, and if the middle one opened its doors on both sides, you would have cross-platform interchange between all three lines at once !!! :nuts::nuts::nuts:

Silly, but amusing and I think not impossible . . .
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motor - don't forget that it's not the purpose of Metrolink to get people fast from the city to the Airport (including most places like Eccles!) - it's mainly to link the places in between. (I wish I could get this through to those who write vituperative letters to the Tameside Advertiser, saying nobody wants the tram from Ashton - we already have a train!! :hammer:)

don't forget that it's not the purpose of Metrolink to get people fast from the city to the Airport (including most places like Eccles!) - it's mainly to link the places in between. (I wish I could get this through to those who write vituperative letters to the Tameside Advertiser, saying nobody wants the tram from Ashton - we already have a train!! :hammer:)
You're wasting your time - you'll just get the usual retort "there's plenty of buses..."

Was it you that posted some pictures a while back of the 'Back on Track' campaign bus in Droylsden? Whoever it was ought to send them to the Advertiser and remind them that were plenty of people wanted it at the time.

PS - thanks for the old picture of the demolished houses near Edge Lane (good grief - four pages back already..!). I've now looked through all my CDs but haven't found my photo - looks like I've accidentally deleted it...:bash:

I don't think the compound has anything to do with Metrolink, more likely to be connected to the sewer replacement works on Nell Lane, unless they have made quite serious changes to the line through the school grounds.

I don't quite understand... the compound is on the line of the alignment more or less isn't it..?

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motor - don't forget that it's not the purpose of Metroli nk to get people fast from the city to the Airport (including most places like Eccles!) - it's mainly to link the places in between.

Yes Johnny, that was the point I was trying to make really, but as usual didn't get it across properly :lol: The trams are more for locals than going long distances, but still disappointed they coudn't have shoehorned the lines to go past the terminals, then it may have been a better option.

The station is quite a distance away from the terminals especially terminal 3 where you can't actually walk through terminal 1 any more to get to the walkway to the station. You need to get the bus to the station now which is (if you have cases etc) more hassle and another possible 10 minute wait.

The station is quite a distance away from the terminals especially terminal 3 where you can't actually walk through terminal 1 any more to get to the walkway to the station. You need to get the bus to the station now which is (if you have cases etc) more hassle and another possible 10 minute wait.

Yes motor, I don't think even the Western Loop would have helped with this - it passes by Terminal 2 and some workplace locations, but has no planned stops until Davenport Green (only pencilled in) or Newell Green. Still, the 'Airport City' project may open up new possibilities. It shouldn't be too long now before Nick Clegg makes his announcement about Regional Growth Funding awards - this also touches on Port Salford.
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You're playing with semantics sir:cheers:

Watch it - some of my best friends are Jewish.

Watch it - some of my best friends are Jewish.

He's here all week, don't forget to tip your waitress!

Yes motor, I don't think even the Western Loop would have helped with this - it passes by Terminal 2 and some workplace locations, but has no planned stops until Davenport Green (only pencilled in) or Newell Green. Still, the 'Airport City' project may open up new possibilities. It shouldn't be too long now before Nick Clegg makes his announcement about Regional Growth Funding awards - this also touches on Port Salford.
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To be honest, I think we can forget the loop. It isn't going to happen. Always thought it was a non starter.

But..... the one extra addition to the Airport line could be a spur into Wythenshawe Hosptal? If the traffic is high enough then it could provide the possibility of an extra service every 12 minutes to Cornbrook, or even just to St. Werburgh's Road. Originally it was meant to be every 6 minutes as far as Roundthorn.

I don't quite understand... the compound is on the line of the alignment more or less isn't it..?

On the plans I've seen the line reaches the central res just about where the bus stop is, hardly, if at all, coming out of the area of scrub.

Just sat on standby at St Peters Sq. Lots of Thales bods around and a low loader delivering what looks like a new control cabinet. Not that interesting but a development non the less!!

In other words, reduce congestion :lol:

No No No.

The Alty line does NOT reduce congestion on the A56 - it is as busy as ever.

It allows more people along that corridor to travel meaning it is possible for more, different people to contribute to the economy than otherwise would have been.

Congestion is just as bad - if not higher than pre-Metrolink.

What has happened is more people travel that route, a lot more, meaning that the economy has been stimulated.

Metrolink has not reduced congestion. It has increased capacity for others to travel.

Very very different things. To say that congestion has been reduced is simply not correct.

Not to sure wether its been mentioned but one of my contacts at Metrolink who's a driver/tester told me the other day that according to Thales no testing is being done on any lines for the next 2 weeks

No No No.

The Alty line does NOT reduce congestion on the A56 - it is as busy as ever.

It allows more people along that corridor to travel meaning it is possible for more, different people to contribute to the economy than otherwise would have been.

Congestion is just as bad - if not higher than pre-Metrolink.

What has happened is more people travel that route, a lot more, meaning that the economy has been stimulated.

Metrolink has not reduced congestion. It has increased capacity for others to travel.

Very very different things. To say that congestion has been reduced is simply not correct.

But without Metrolink congestion would be worse!

But without Metrolink congestion would be worse!

No, not necessarily, the journeys would probably never have happened in the vast majority of circumstances.

Those people who did switch to Metrolink will have been replaced immediately by others in cars who previously did not use the car as there were too many cars on the road.

The A56 has a maximum number of cars that can travel along it between 8am and 9am - junctions like the one at Timperley ensure that.

The road could not take any more traffic, the road is at capacity, all Metrolink did was to increase capacity so that whilst the road stays at capacity additional people can travel the route, on a tram.

No, not necessarily, the journeys would probably never have happened in the vast majority of circumstances.

Those people who did switch to Metrolink will have been replaced immediately by others in cars who previously did not use the car as there were too many cars on the road.

The A56 has a maximum number of cars that can travel along it between 8am and 9am - junctions like the one at Timperley ensure that.

The road could not take any more traffic, the road is at capacity, all Metrolink did was to increase capacity so that whilst the road stays at capacity additional people can travel the route, on a tram.

I would be worse because the people that would use metrolink would use Car's adding to the disruption. For example look at when the Altrincham line was shut for that month or so, traffic was stupidly bad.

I honestly think if the Alty line did not exist many many fewer people will travel from that area to the city centre and the roads would be exactly the same.

No No No.

The Alty line does NOT reduce congestion on the A56 - it is as busy as ever.

It allows more people along that corridor to travel meaning it is possible for more, different people to contribute to the economy than otherwise would have been.

Congestion is just as bad - if not higher than pre-Metrolink.

What has happened is more people travel that route, a lot more, meaning that the economy has been stimulated.

Metrolink has not reduced congestion. It has increased capacity for others to travel.

Very very different things. To say that congestion has been reduced is simply not correct.

According to TfGM:-

"These new lines will help reduce congestion on our roads with five million fewer car journeys every year, and will increase the number of trips passengers make each day from 55,000 to more than 90,000."

Which I guess means you're both right! Although I do agree that congestion never does, in practice, reduce as traffic tends to grow to fill the space available (and more bus lanes get created :bash:).

Metrolink, the way I see it, provides the public with an extra choice of mode of travel. In addition any kudos gained by the region as a result of the trams is a bonus.

According to TfGM:-

"These new lines will help reduce congestion on our roads with five million fewer car journeys every year, and will increase the number of trips passengers make each day from 55,000 to more than 90,000."

Which I guess means you're both right! Although I do agree that congestion never does, in practice, reduce as traffic tends to grow to fill the space available (and more bus lanes get created :bash:).

Is my point exactly.

New journeys, that otherwise would not have existed, fill the gaps.

These new jounreys in part stimulate economic growth.

Is my point exactly.

New journeys, that otherwise would not have existed, fill the gaps.

These new jounreys in part stimulate economic growth.

I don't understand this - who suddenly starts thinking "Ooh, I'll make a trip to Trafford Bar today, because there's a tram now!" ? Surely the total number of journeys made is dictated by the necessity of the journey, not the mode of transport?

The total number of journeys is only determined by demand if there is sufficient supply.

I'm saying there is supressed demand due to lack of tram. Metrolink creates additional supply which means that some of that extra demand can be satisfied.

Off to the Sale Water Park park n ride exhibit in a bit. Will take pics.

Is that at Sale Town Hall?

May pop down and have a look myself.

Water park visitors centre (tent like building, not Deckers) 4pm-7pm today.

Sale Town Hall Waterside yesterday and tomorrow.

Will have a walk down to the water park then after work, if the rain holds off that is.

I don't understand this - who suddenly starts thinking "Ooh, I'll make a trip to Trafford Bar today, because there's a tram now!" ? Surely the total number of journeys made is dictated by the necessity of the journey, not the mode of transport?

That actually does happen. Studies in North America show that people are much more likely to take rail than a bus. In places where rail replaces a bus route, ridership increases dramatically. In Vancouver, an airport bus running every 7 minutes used to carry 3% of all traffic to the airport; when the rail link opened, ridership increased over 15% of all airport traffic in the first year alone. It has a lot to do with the perception that rail is frequent and reliable, plus it has a "sexy" factor. Males especially are less likely to take a bus, which is a shame, because there is a high number of females and great chance to meet the opposite sex - but I'm getting off topic now.

If what LNG is saying is that areas become more accessible when they get Metrolink, such as Chorlton is now, people become more enticed to go there because it's easier to get there, I agree with him.

Just a quckie since it`s between me and my weekly Tesco shop: Moor Road in Baguley. The half completed construction fence in the college fields. This is how far off the road the new line will be:

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/privateme71/Airport%20Metrolink/IMG_1183.jpg

This is where the line will sweep off Moor Road and onto the segregated parallel tracks:

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/privateme71/Airport%20Metrolink/IMG_1184.jpg

If what LNG is saying is that areas become more accessible when they get Metrolink, such as Chorlton is now, people become more enticed to go there because it's easier to get there, I agree with him.

I'll third that.

I'm more likely to take myself off to Didsbury for a beer, when the extension is complete. Same goes for the EML; I may be inclined to take a trip on that just to spot (& maybe pap) the 'Wallmartians', if nothing else!!

Exactly; had a lovely stroll down Chorlton High Street the other week with my friend. If it hadn't have been for the tram I wouldn't have gone there at all!

(Then again, I was interested in the new line, but I guess that counts as a journey made which otherwise wouldn't have been?) :)

That actually does happen. Studies in North America show that people are much more likely to take rail than a bus. In places where rail replaces a bus route, ridership increases dramatically. In Vancouver, an airport bus running every 7 minutes used to carry 3% of all traffic to the airport; when the rail link opened, ridership increased over 15% of all airport traffic in the first year alone. It has a lot to do with the perception that rail is frequent and reliable, plus it has a "sexy" factor. Males especially are less likely to take a bus, which is a shame, because there is a high number of females and great chance to meet the opposite sex - but I'm getting off topic now.

Oh, the joys of an integrated transport authority! I follow this site partly from interest, partly to keep up with events in my place of birth, and partly from a Jim Bowen "Let's have a look at what you could have won" point of view. Here in the Bristol area, we have four local authorities. Bristol is where a lot of people who live in the 3 outlying areas work. Those councils have no real interest in spending their hard-earned / ill-gotten council tax on getting their citizens to work in the big city, and Bristol only care about the bit of the journey from the border inwards. The predictable result is a mish-mash of heavily criticised schemes to help buses flow from peripheral park-and-rides, whilst ignoring the bleedin' obvious solution of reopening some closed rail lines and stations, so folks can leave the car at home in the first place.

Or so it seems. I agree that no crowd is ever going to turn out to cheer a newly opened bus lane, whereas such new rail services as we have seen become heavily overused as soon as they start. In peak times, any way. We had plans for a light rail system some years back, but our powers that be couldn't get it together, and now everyone's blaming each other, whilst Bristol propose to concrete over part of the preserved route for a misguided busway. Should have gone to Cambridge first.

Oh, the joys of an integrated transport authority! I follow this site partly from interest, partly to keep up with events in my place of birth, and partly from a Jim Bowen "Let's have a look at what you could have won" point of view. Here in the Bristol area, we have four local authorities. Bristol is where a lot of people who live in the 3 outlying areas work. Those councils have no real interest in spending their hard-earned / ill-gotten council tax on getting their citizens to work in the big city, and Bristol only care about the bit of the journey from the border inwards. The predictable result is a mish-mash of heavily criticised schemes to help buses flow from peripheral park-and-rides, whilst ignoring the bleedin' obvious solution of reopening some closed rail lines and stations, so folks can leave the car at home in the first place.

Or so it seems. I agree that no crowd is ever going to turn out to cheer a newly opened bus lane, whereas such new rail services as we have seen become heavily overused as soon as they start. In peak times, any way. We had plans for a light rail system some years back, but our powers that be couldn't get it together, and now everyone's blaming each other, whilst Bristol propose to concrete over part of the preserved route for a misguided busway. Should have gone to Cambridge first.

Looks like you make the journey from the Bristol thread to here for the same reasons! :lol:
Yes, Greater Bristol is a good example of how not to do integrated transport. I don't think anything like Metrolink would be feasible here because there aren't as many closed lines through residential areas (unless they converted some, such as the Avonmouth loop). Also, as you say, the four authorities just fight and complain about termini and funding.

They have started digging in Chorlton High School grounds on the tramway alignment... looks like more utility works at the moment!

Sale Water Park Park and Ride exhibition

as promised:

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/privateme71/Airport%20Metrolink/IMG_1185copy.jpg

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/privateme71/Airport%20Metrolink/IMG_1186copy.jpg

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/privateme71/Airport%20Metrolink/IMG_1187copy.jpg

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/privateme71/Airport%20Metrolink/IMG_1188copy.jpg

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/privateme71/Airport%20Metrolink/IMG_1189copy.jpg

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/privateme71/Airport%20Metrolink/IMG_1190copy.jpg

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/privateme71/Airport%20Metrolink/IMG_1191copy.jpg

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/privateme71/Airport%20Metrolink/IMG_1192copy.jpg

The site at present:

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/privateme71/Airport%20Metrolink/IMG_1197.jpg

Current entrance:

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i322/privateme71/Airport%20Metrolink/IMG_1198copy.jpg

... Bristol propose to concrete over part of the preserved route for a misguided busway. Should have gone to Cambridge first.

Funny you should say that on the day Cambridge Evening News reported that the busway has been a roaring success in its first week.

Went down to the Water Park road show.

I do have concerns about how safe people will feel at this location.

Sure, it is fine in the middle of the summer when it is light well into the evening. However, no matter how well lit, how many CCTV cameras are up, I cannot see many lone women using this P&R during the dark winter months.

A few shots to add today. Good on making it to the Waterpark exhibition Marni, though I was hoping they were going to show how that viaduct would look across the valley aswell.

Anyways

Quick one from Victoria...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/Geeves8612/P1000824.jpg

Building works on the platform at Vic have begun. They were also unloading more barriers at Vic as I was leaving this afternoon. Good vantage point up here for future works!

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/Geeves8612/P1000822.jpg

Steady progress at NewHey

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/Geeves8612/P1000826.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/Geeves8612/P1000827.jpg

Piles!

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/Geeves8612/P1000829.jpg

And Shaw Level Crossing is currently missing all the parts that made it a level crossing lol

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/Geeves8612/P1000831.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/Geeves8612/P1000830.jpg

^^^^

What is the work going on at Victoria? Is it in relation to the refurb?

Im not entirely sure Future. Just that the guy was digging up around the signals so I guess it might finally be the start of the tram management system making an appearance

Metrolink, the way I see it, provides the public with an extra choice of mode of travel. In addition any kudos gained by the region as a result of the trams is a bonus.

Absolutely Ashton, and it also provides the opportunity for those who for one reason or another (disability, age, poverty, etc) will never have a car, to travel to places like Sale Water Park!

Nice shots marni, on the beginnings of the Moor Road alignment and the Sale Water Park P&R expo. They don't seem to be touting for P&R business for the Airport, but I am delighted to see that at long last they are being up-front with projected journey times. 20 mins to city centre does seem a tad optimistic - St Werburgh's <> St Peter's is currently running at 17-18 mins, although some do better. Perhaps they are expecting TMS to reduce times in general on this line - come to think of it, it should do.

In any event, it will be a hell of a lot quicker than other (really non-existent)public transport options - long lonely walks either to Dane Road or to circuitous bus routes.

Good views of Victoria Tony, I am jealous of! Are they from the top of the old railway offices? Shows the interesting shape of the 'Berlin Wall', but glad if that's going as you say. While they're at it, can you ask them also to get rid of the other one at Piccadilly Gardens? - thick as pig s**t and twice as ugly!!

Some interesting and quite well thought-out ideas on the other thread, trying to revive the Deansgate option for 2CC. However, they don't really address the route into Victoria nor the additional funding that would be needed. It would probably also knock the whole thing back by a few years - it seems likely that the present consultation is really about refinements rather than starting afresh.

Loving that Bee-Gees ad (although I thought they came from the Isle of Man?) I hope they do that sort of thing on all the lines. It also tells people that the line goes to Chorlton, so it should serve its purpose quite well!!
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This is off topic I am afraid,but I was at the Match last night and I decided to have a closer look at the new footbridge over the canal to the Velopark.I could not resist a stroll over it before it's official opening and after squeezing through a couple of temporary fences I was making my way over what I think is a quality bridge.

There did not look to be any more work done on the Velopark stop itself but the whole area around there is coming along very nicely.

Looks like you make the journey from the Bristol thread to here for the same reasons! :lol:
Yes, Greater Bristol is a good example of how not to do integrated transport. I don't think anything like Metrolink would be feasible here because there aren't as many closed lines through residential areas (unless they converted some, such as the Avonmouth loop). Also, as you say, the four authorities just fight and complain about termini and funding.

Other way round, in truth, I started here, then thought of checking Bristol's thread. Not the same, is it?.

I've got my own thoughts on our parlous transport, and options for fixing it, but they're not for here, and don't matter anyway, as They Know Best.

Hi

Good picture to everyone who took them.

Sorry if is have already be posted but I notice this on Metrolink website

Droylsden - Villemomble Square refurbishment

Work is progressing to build the new Metrolink line from Manchester to Ashton-under-Lyne.

As part of this scheme we will be renewing the urban realm within Villemomble Square. Improvements will include new paving, trees, benches, litter bins, planters, street lighting, the reinstallation of the iconic Droylsden town centre clock and new location for the Christmas tree. The works to renew Villemomble Square have been developed in conjunction with Tameside MBC and will be carried out, in the main, by Tameside operatives.

Work is due to commence during the week commencing 15th August 2011 and will, in the first instance, concentrate on the Manchester Road frontage so that the new paving is completed in time for the Christmas Lights switch on in November. Work will recommence in January 2012 when improvements will be made to the Market Street side of the Square and will include the fitting of the new permanent urban real items such as litter bins, benches etc.



http://www.tfgm.com/metrolink/east-manchester/pdf/11-0785-Villemomble-Square-A1%20board.pdf

Metrolink Second Crossing – The Deansgate Alternative
(http://www.manchesterconfidential.co.uk/News/Metrolink-Second-Crossing-The-Alternative-Down-Deansgate)

Just reading this piece - apologies if this has been brought up in 'the other metrolink thread' but I have no idea where that is.

A GROUP of city residents, engineers and others are calling for the proposed second city centre Metrolink crossing to be rethought.

They believe that a Deansgate route coming down from existing viaducts at the Deansgate/Castlefield station would be far more beneficial to the city than the current Cross Street idea.

The group have sent the report below to the people at Transport for Greater Manchester (TFGM) who look after Metrolink. The public consultation period for the second crossing proposals ends 9 September and TfGM have assurred Confidential they will be taking a serious look at the ideas.

We make no apologies for reprinting the Deansgate ideas in full.

For those interested in Manchester's infrastructure we think this is a remarkable, articulate and intelligent document - from an unpaid but expert group who feel it has a better suggestion than the one offered by TfGM.

Well done, it's now on all 3 Metrolink threads!

PS There are some good clues in the thread titles:
TRANSPORT | Metrolink (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=584932)
TRANSPORT | Metrolink Phase 2CC & Future (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1051297)

Hi

Metrolink gets Greater Manchester moving with FREE travel this Sunday

Families in Greater Manchester will be able to travel free on Metrolink this Sunday, transport leaders have announced.

A Transport for Greater Manchester voucher for free travel will be printed in the Manchester Evening News later this week. A voucher will be available for download, also later this week, from www.tfgm.com.

The voucher will allow groups of up to two adults and up to three children under 16 to travel free on the Metrolink network between 10am and 6pm on Sunday 21 August. There must be at least one adult in the group.

Single adults or two adults together can also use the voucher. Councillor Andrew Fender, Chair of Transport for Greater Manchester, said: "After last week's disturbances, it's great to see Greater Manchester back on its feet and moving on.

"That's why we've decided to offer free travel on Metrolink this Sunday from ten 'til six for everyone who wants to enjoy a day out - whether it's for shopping, leisure or a family outing to one of the many attractions Greater Manchester has to offer.

"Support for the city's 'I Love Manchester' campaign has already been huge. We wanted to build upon that by encouraging people to get out and about this weekend.

"TfGM loves Greater Manchester, and we know our passengers do too - so why not show it by taking advantage of the free travel offer to visit local attractions?"

Sir Richard Leese, leader of Manchester City Council, said: "The city has embraced the I Love Manchester campaign with enthusiasm and there is no better way of demonstrating that spirit than getting out and enjoying everything the city centre has to offer. This welcome initiative is another incentive to support our businesses and celebrate our city."

A Metrolink Family Saver ticket (for up to two adults and up to three children) usually costs £7. A Weekend Adult Saver ticket for adults without children is usually £5.

The offer is not open to unaccompanied children under 16.
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Hi

:banana::banana::banana:

That's good - might take a trip up to the East Lancs at Bury!!

Thanks Rob :cheers:

That's good - might take a trip up to the East Lancs at Bury!!

Thanks Rob :cheers:

U will need to buy the Manchester Evening News on Friday to get the voucher and also is free parking too.

Or print the voucher when its put on the website.

That's good - might take a trip up to the East Lancs at Bury!!

Thanks Rob :cheers:

You should! I'll be there both days. Saturday on a loco and Guarding on Sunday. Great day out =)

Hi - I'm new to the forum and just testing a post of a couple of pics taken at Didsbury this Monday from the bridge on School Lane

Looking north :-
http://www.image-upload.net/images/mcosdiipefzhu8379yl.jpg

Looking south :-
http://www.image-upload.net/images/z3clzc6havnb7fqucww7.jpg


Thanks to all for the great pics that you put on here, much appreciated :)

U will need to buy the Manchester Evening News on Friday to get the voucher and also is free parking too.

I assume I'm still right in saying that the city centre edition of the Evening News is free on Thursday and Friday!!

I assume I'm still right in saying that the city centre edition of the Evening News is free on Thursday and Friday!!

Yes it is bogblaster I'm think the probably think it better idea to put in Friday paper so it near weekend.

Hi - I'm new to the forum and just testing a post of a couple of pics taken at Didsbury this Monday from the bridge on School Lane

Hello and welcome one-way ticket!!

I tried to figure out why your pictures hadn't come out but I failed also!! :ohno:

You should! I'll be there both days. Saturday on a loco and Guarding on Sunday. Great day out =)

I'll be heading up to the ELR on Sunday too, via Heaton Park... Steam trains and vintage trams by light rail, what more could you ask for? For it to be free? Alright!

Pics disappeared for some reason last time - second try -
apologies if end up duplicated -
Didsbury from bridge on School Lane 15/8/11

Looking north:-
http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/sport47/Metrolink/P1010476.jpg

Looking south:-
http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/sport47/Metrolink/P1010478.jpg

I'll be heading up to the ELR on Sunday too, via Heaton Park... Steam trains and vintage trams by light rail, what more could you ask for? For it to be free? Alright!

Indeed do!

Hello and welcome one-way ticket!!

I tried to figure out why your pictures hadn't come out but I failed also!! :ohno:
Thanks Johnny, have posted again and think it's worked, used a different image host :)

Thanks for the photos onewayticket. That retaining wall at Didsbury seems to be a substantial structure - yet when it is complete there will probably be little hint of the scale of the thing.

Hi

:banana::banana::banana:

How about helping out the weekday commuters actually affected by the riots with a free Monday pass on the network? Annual pass or not, a days refund would be nice!

Thanks for the photos onewayticket. That retaining wall at Didsbury seems to be a substantial structure - yet when it is complete there will probably be little hint of the scale of the thing.

Yes indeed. Excellent progress in the past few weeks although it's hard to picture how the original station was once located in this location.

Well done, it's now on all 3 Metrolink threads!

PS There are some good clues in the thread titles:
TRANSPORT | Metrolink (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=584932)
TRANSPORT | Metrolink Phase 2CC & Future (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1051297)


There are 3 threads?

Forgive me Herr Ferret, I have only this thread bookmarked.

Anyway, all stairs are open at Crumpsall now. Pictures later for those that care.

There are 3 threads?

Forgive me Herr Ferret, I have only this thread bookmarked.

Anyway, all stairs are open at Crumpsall now. Pictures later for those that care.

Well get the other two book marked quick!

I like the new location maps they are incorporating into the re-furbished stops (just noticed, however, they haven't updated this to include the SML) :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/South%20Central/Pomona/101_4709.jpg

I am making a collection of them.

I also like the light cream/taupe colour they are now using on the South and East Manchester lines. It's far better than the grey pretending unsuccessfully to be silver, that they used at the beginning of the new branding (and in the half-hearted re-vamping of the Eccles line, only halfway up the station furnishings!). Hopefully they will return there to finish off, after giving priority just now to the desperately outdated Bury line.

It will be great when it all looks the same, especially if these are the colours :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/South%20Central/Chorlton/101_4177.jpg

Wow!! Plentee lampee on Ashton New Road now. . .

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Clayton%20Hall/101_4715.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Clayton%20Hall/101_4721.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Droylsden/Clayton%20Hall/101_4723.jpg

There are now about 14 span wires, some double.
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If I remember right the Eccles line stops are absent from the local area maps on the South Manchester line too (though Altrincham stops feature).

I

Wow!! Plentee lampee on Ashton New Road now. . .

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Ashton New Road is now truly setting a new lamp standard! The lamp capital of the world, unless anyone knows different.

Ashton New Road is now truly setting a new lamp standard! The lamp capital of the world, unless anyone knows different.

Apparently, you will be able to sunbathe on Ashton New Road at midnight once all the new lights are switched on.

Hi

U can know download and print out your voucher off tfgm website

http://www.tfgm.com/metrolink/freetravel/index.cfm

Also Overhead pole have know put in from Freehold station to Werneth and maybe to mumps but I not sure about that.

Couple of pics of East Didsbury today,
taken from the bridge on Kingsway :-

Stockport side of Kingsway
http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/sport47/Metrolink/P1010485.jpg

Looking towards Didsbury (back of Tesco on the left)
http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/sport47/Metrolink/P1010491.jpg

Looking towards Didsbury (back of Tesco on the left)


And with a freightliner passing to boot! You have brightened-up my Friday afternoon no end!

:banana:

Neil

And with a freightliner passing to boot! You have brightened-up my Friday afternoon no end!

:banana:

Neil


Glad you like it Neil, unfortunately I just missed the loco :(

Will be nice one day to see a 66 or whatever going over the rail bridge with a tram passing underneath :)

If I remember right the Eccles line stops are absent from the local area maps on the South Manchester line too (though Altrincham stops feature).

Trafford Bar now has them, I guess stops further South are out of compass :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/South%20Central/TraffordBar.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/South%20Central/Firswood.jpg

Firswood feels isolated but there's plenty of housing around.

Nice pix of E Didsbury oneway - the lift shaft is an early arrival!

^^ The local area boards are up at Dane Road aswell.

Another Metrolink letter through the door...

THE TREES ARE COMING DOWN ON MAULDETH ROAD!

Someone fetch the Chorlton militia, they won't like this! Will begin this monday... Be very interesting to see the effect on the ambience of the road. Might make it a whole lot lighter...

Another Metrolink letter through the door...

THE TREES ARE COMING DOWN ON MAULDETH ROAD!

Someone fetch the Chorlton militia, they won't like this! Will begin this monday... Be very interesting to see the effect on the ambience of the road. Might make it a whole lot lighter...

I can see a human chain of beardy sandal wearing folk now...

Cheers Flange, I'll have to have a look down there.

The other day I took a nice walk from Rochdale to Milnrow, starting off along the canal bank.

Rochdale Railway Station tram stop is taking on a more clearly-defined shape all the time :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/RRS/101_4726.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/RRS/000_0009.jpg

As is the redoubling alignment coming down High Level Road (More 'double' lamps as well for the overhead) :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/RRS/000_0006.jpg

Ah, all those years ago I regularly stood in front of the ‘Phase 3’ notice at this spot, and imagined . . . one day, one day . . .

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/RRS/101_4729.jpg

Now it’s all appearing before our very eyes :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/RRS/101_4728.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/RRS/101_4727.jpg

Leaving Rochdale by the canal, you get the first glimpses of Kingsway Business Park. Business parks are not the most photogenic of locations, but at the moment this large anonymous depot seems to be the only building there :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/Kingsway/000_0026.jpg

In these next shots, the Metrolink line will come in from the left across the canal, having left Newbold tramstop by Morrisons. No doubt all this area between the camera and the tramline, running left to right on a level embankment across the middle ground, will be filled with activity before too much longer :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/Kingsway/101_4758.jpg

The white MPT van is heading back towards Rochdale along the trackbed alignment itself :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/Kingsway/101_4751.jpg

Here it is again at Newbold, where little has visibly changed recently. It is still on the alignment together with a yellow JCB :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/Newbold/101_4762.jpg

At the moment, the bridge over the Rochdale canal is one of the more scenic points.:-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/Kingsway/101_4734.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/Kingsway/101_4741.jpg

Big piles of grey aggregate or sleepers have arrived :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/Kingsway/101_4736.jpg

From the canalside, the Southbound alignment runs left to right away from the camera. It looks like KBP tramstop will be by the vertical red/white poles :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/Kingsway/101_4596.jpg

As seen from the Northern side of the Rochdale canal bridge, the Oldham bound route now runs right to left :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/Kingsway/101_4599.jpg

Panning further to the left, the shining bananas will cut a fair dash across this prominent horizon. I haven’t seen the detailed plans, but I am hoping this Northern side of the valley (Firgrove) may remain unspoilt? :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/Kingsway/101_4607.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/Kingsway/101_4601.jpg

Continuing further South, Kingsway Business Park starts to peep over the alignment :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/Kingsway/101_4611.jpg

Climbing up towards the embankment near Turbary Walk and The Cray, it seems this will be the site of the tram station. Although much of the business park has not yet come into being, this stop will also be of great benefit to the houses in the area, just out of shot to the right :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/Kingsway/101_4621.jpg

The level embankment now encounters a rise in the ground :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/Kingsway/101_4626.jpg

And further South towards Milnrow, the alignment enters a deepening cutting :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/Kingsway/101_4639.jpg

What looks like a new substation is already present :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/Kingsway/101_4634.jpg

Looking back along the alignment, the high-rise flats of Rochdale start to fade into the distance. Something of great interest to me, I do believe that the next four views will never have been seen by previous users of the Oldham Loop, who will only have had the limited side views of heavy rail. When the trams come, however, we will all be able to enjoy the many 360 degree panoramas that abound on this particular line!! :nuts: :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/Kingsway/101_4638.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/Kingsway/101_4632.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/Kingsway/101_4637.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/Milnrow/101_4641.jpg

bogblaster: "The first generation DMU's, ie class 101 etc., did allow this sort of view."

Do you know something, Bog - you're absolutely right! I came across this again recently in my Foxline 'Oldham Loop' book by Jeffrey Wells :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Oldham/Mumps%20Temporary/cabview_0001.jpg

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Oldham/Mumps%20Temporary/cabview_0002.jpg

I well remember that brief window of cab views on other lines - but very soon we will be able to enjoy them all over again in more and more locations, including the Rochdale 'Seven Sisters', as the flats above were once called!

Not to mention the views of cuttings and underbridges like those approaching Milnrow, as we turn around to face forward :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/Milnrow/101_4642.jpg

This is the ramp down from Elizabethan Way to Milnrow tramstop, and the steps up to Harbour Lane North away from the camera :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/Milnrow/101_4647.jpg

Looking back the other way from the top of the steps :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/Milnrow/101_4652.jpg

The line then continues to wend its way, over the hills to far New Hey! :-

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/Rochdale/Milnrow/101_4651.jpg

Well, the more I wander, the more I think it can sometimes be more enjoyable to travel in hope, than to actually arrive! . . .

:banana:

[QUOTE=Johnny de Rivative;83033277]Cheers Flange, I'll have to have a look down there.

The other day I took a nice walk from Rochdale to Milnrow, starting off along the canal bank.


Excellent pics Johnny, looks like there's going to be a fair bit of nice scenery on that route

http://www.tfgm.com/metrolink/freetravel/11-0804-Advert-concept-online-A4JPG.jpg

To save everyone the hassle of filling out the daft form!

http://www.tfgm.com/metrolink/freetravel/11-0804-Advert-concept-online-A4JPG.jpg

To save everyone the hassle of filling out the daft form!

This whole voucher system is daft. Why can't somebody under 16 travel for free without an adult? Makes no sense to me. And why have a voucher - why not just say the trams are free between 10 and 6 and just not do any ticket checks. I just don't get it.

In Canada when we have a free transit day - you simply show up and get on the service. We don't need to print off useless tickets with ridiculous conditions.

finally, this says to me, if you own a computer and have access to the interent and you over 16 years old, you can travel free, otherwise, pay up.

This whole voucher system is daft. Why can't somebody under 16 travel for free without an adult? Makes no sense to me. And why have a voucher - why not just say the trams are free between 10 and 6 and just not do any ticket checks. I just don't get it.

In Canada when we have a free transit day - you simply show up and get on the service. We don't need to print off useless tickets with ridiculous conditions.

finally, this says to me, if you own a computer and have access to the interent and you over 16 years old, you can travel free, otherwise, pay up.

Metrolink had a few free days last year which where just as you describe. Just turn up and get on.

No idea why they have decided to go for this voucher system.

This whole voucher system is daft. Why can't somebody under 16 travel for free without an adult? Makes no sense to me. And why have a voucher - why not just say the trams are free between 10 and 6 and just not do any ticket checks. I just don't get it.

In Canada when we have a free transit day - you simply show up and get on the service. We don't need to print off useless tickets with ridiculous conditions.

finally, this says to me, if you own a computer and have access to the interent and you over 16 years old, you can travel free, otherwise, pay up.

Probably because they don't want groups of hoodies in town!

Wonder why...:bash:

Metrolink had a few free days last year which where just as you describe. Just turn up and get on.

No idea why they have decided to go for this voucher system.



Probably to stop people using them to commute, and to stop people using them to travel to town for a night out. Basically, they're being generous, but not generous enough to risk losing TOO much revenue.

As for the under 16s thing, I have no idea. Seems a little unfair. :bash:

This whole voucher system is daft. Why can't somebody under 16 travel for free without an adult? Makes no sense to me. And why have a voucher - why not just say the trams are free between 10 and 6 and just not do any ticket checks. I just don't get it.

In Canada when we have a free transit day - you simply show up and get on the service. We don't need to print off useless tickets with ridiculous conditions.

finally, this says to me, if you own a computer and have access to the interent and you over 16 years old, you can travel free, otherwise, pay up.

Welcome lightrail...good to see our Canadian Cousins taking an interest in our thread...:cheers::cheers::cheers:

Its recording usage statistics, you fill in the form to get it printed they know how many travelled and who. Even with it being printed free in the paper they know how many were printed and how many unsold copys so can work out the maximum who benefitted.

I can see a human chain of beardy sandal wearing folk now...

Eating lentil pasties

Walked across from Sale Water Park to Chorlton last night via Hardy Lane, Mauldeth Rd etc.

Did not have my camera but there is now loads of activity on the Chorlton side of the Mersey after Hardy Lane.

About 8 portacabins are south of the derilict building and there was a JCB flattening the land to make a level suface for the construction vehicles to come down and long the route as far as the river.

The lentil munchers will be seeing their trees and Mersey Valley disappearing within a couple of weeks of each other.