Proposed
Radisson BLU Plaza Extension
Sentrum - Oslo

Alternative 1 - 50meters/42meters.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/pl1a-1.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/pl1b-1.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/pl1c-1.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/pl1d-1.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/pl1e.jpg

Alternative 2 - 50meters/42meters.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/pl2a-1.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/pl2b-1.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/pl2c-1.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/pl2d-1.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/pl2e.jpg

Regulationcase:
http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/casedet.asp?mode=all&caseno=200805399

Older proposals:

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/Plaza1.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/Plaza2.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/Plaza3.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/Plaza4.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/Nye%20plaza/Plaza1.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/Nye%20plaza/Plaza2.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/Nye%20plaza/Plaza4.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/Nye%20plaza/Plaza5.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/Nye%20plaza/Plaza3.jpg

This is not good at all, but I think the area could tolerate two more highrises..

That looks bad. They should build a sleek tower next to it and connect them with a sky bridge. That would be cool.

Rooftop restaurant sounds good, though.

^ They stated in the initiative that they were flexible, let's hope for something like that ;)

The protests are fewer than expected - only Gamle Oslo and Byantikvaren:

- To massive/wide - tower effect is lost.
- Local-climate/air sirculation in the area.
- Shadows.
- Less "air" for the Vaterlands park and Akerselva.

But then again, the initiative was only sendt to the bouroughs and city-offices.

No thank you, its wide enough as it is. Build a second tower instead

I made a quick change in Photoshop – terrible quality, but you get the idea. Something like this would look better, I think:
http://hesjevoll.com/Plazato.jpg

That is probably the worst idea I´ve seen in quite a long time. It looks absolutely horrible:puke:

For once I put my faith in the NIMBYS :ohno:

I like the initiative, but seriously, they should make a separate scraper.

If they build this, it will also totally block the view to the new tower at Biskop Gunneruds gate 14b.

Of course, this is ridicilous. If they want to extend, build that MAD Tower, just something with modern architecture, tall and sleek. Rather build a new hotel in its own building close by, not attached to Oslo Plaza.

Of course, this is ridicilous. If they want to extend, build that MAD Tower, just something with modern architecture, tall and sleek. Rather build a new hotel in its own building close by, not attached to Oslo Plaza.

That would be the best option, of course. Then we would get a cluster of four scrapers with 14b as the centerpiece. But I guess they figured it was cheaper to smack something on the current building instead of building a new tower.

Who owns the property where MAD proposed to build that tower, btw?

Well, I'm not raising the flag on this one... Maybe only on half-pole.:ohno:

What are they trying to do here? Make the facade look more like Galleri Oslo, to integrate the buildings more?:lol: Maybe they heard of the new Bella Hotel in Ørestad, that supposedly will be Scandinavias largest, so they had to reclaim the throne? Seriously, this is a BAD project.

About the architecture, I wish they'd chosen an other architect than White, so we could get a fresh look at the building. Just a continuation of the old design is both boring, and makes the building look to massive. Someone is afraid to touch their masterpiece...

Byantikvaren vil ikke tilegne bygningen noen stor bevaringsverdi

Jada, her er byantikvaren ute med sine synsinger igjen. Jeg vil si at INGEN ANDRE BYGNINGER i Oslo etterlater et så kraftig inntrykk på dette beryktede "bybildet" byantikvaren er så opptatt av å bevare. Som en arkitekturklassiker fra slutten på 80-tallet i Norge, som plaza jo er, vil jeg si at kommentaren byantikvaren her fremsetter er MEGET pussig, spesielt med tanke på tidligere kommentarer om det viktige bybildet i dette området. Men det er vel kanskje bare meg det, som tenker at det at endringer i et bybilde ikke er mer eller mindre dramatiske ettersom de sees i forhold til bygningene som endres' alder. (For meg er det ikke spesielt større bevaringsverdi i tollbygningen enn i plaza...)

PS, det jeg prøver å si er ikke at bybildet for enhver pris skal bevares, men at byantikvarens argumentasjon nok en gang er dobbeltsidig og helt inkonsekvent. Det bør pekes på så ofte som mulig:)

That would be the best option, of course. Then we would get a cluster of four scrapers with 14b as the centerpiece. But I guess they figured it was cheaper to smack something on the current building instead of building a new tower.

Who owns the property where MAD proposed to build that tower, btw?

As the article from the thread about BGg14b states, there are many owners, both governmental ones and private. So it's complicated, I guess...

http://www.dagsavisen.no/innenriks/article266583.ece

Well, I'm not raising the flag on this one... Maybe only on half-pole.:ohno:

What are they trying to do here? Make the facade look more like Galleri Oslo, to integrate the buildings more?:lol: Maybe they heard of the new Bella Hotel in Ørestad, that supposedly will be Scandinavias largest, so they had to reclaim the throne? Seriously, this is a BAD project.

About the architecture, I wish they'd chosen an other architect than White, so we could get a fresh look at the building. Just a continuation of the old design is both boring, and makes the building look to massive. Someone is afraid to touch their masterpiece...
Agree with you, however Bella Hotel is not going to be the largest in Scandinavia (only if it was done right NOW) - that honor will to Copenhagen's Radisson Blu Scandinavia hotel, just FYI :)

Jada, her er byantikvaren ute med sine synsinger igjen. Jeg vil si at INGEN ANDRE BYGNINGER i Oslo etterlater et så kraftig inntrykk på dette beryktede "bybildet" byantikvaren er så opptatt av å bevare. Som en arkitekturklassiker fra slutten på 80-tallet i Norge, som plaza jo er, vil jeg si at kommentaren byantikvaren her fremsetter er MEGET pussig, spesielt med tanke på tidligere kommentarer om det viktige bybildet i dette området. Men det er vel kanskje bare meg det, som tenker at det at endringer i et bybilde ikke er mer eller mindre dramatiske ettersom de sees i forhold til bygningene som endres' alder. (For meg er det ikke spesielt større bevaringsverdi i tollbygningen enn i plaza...)

PS, det jeg prøver å si er ikke at bybildet for enhver pris skal bevares, men at byantikvarens argumentasjon nok en gang er dobbeltsidig og helt inkonsekvent. Det bør pekes på så ofte som mulig:)

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Vi kan bare håpe at vi en dag får en byantikvar med et bredere perspektiv. Det viser seg gang på gang at det er en elitistisk tankemåte bak vurderingene. Bevaringen av Tollbygningen er bare et eksempel på hvordan praksisen ødelegger for god byutvikling :ohno:

:puke: Seriously? If they want to extend Plaza built it higher, not wider for christ's sake! That will become an ugly wall.

Someone should write white a letter about this failure!

Who owns the property where MAD proposed to build that tower, btw?

Owner of Galleri Oslo is Klp Eiendom ;)

If they moved the new tower to the northern rim of the plot it would allow a small space between them without hassling with other property-owners - or they could build it over Sonja Henies plass. This could be connected with a few bridges, but not to many. The new tower should beither taller or lower - and it's cladding should be different from old Plaza imo. i don't want to see us getting a totally flat skyline, and i don't want simular cladding skyscrapers...

And about Plaza not being of architectural significanse i totally disagree - it's one of very few highrises in the whole country that are actually very good-looking... =) Byantikvaren would probably be glad to see it demolished... Highrise-hater...

Here's a rendering off the new roof-restaurant:

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/Plazarestaurant.jpg
http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=1935243

^^ Not much of a render though, but it's a good idea with the roof restaurant.

Why not build a new one instead?

I'm guessing it's most cost-effective, you save on elevators, emergency staircases and maids.

At Pbe-site, there is also a plan for Plaza by Siv.ark. Harald Longva and Fosse og Aasen that was discarded by the city-council in 2003, i don't know anything about how these plans were - there is no files for online viewing. Maybe someone else knows? I'm guessing if these plans were high-rise it would have made it to the media, maybe there was just plans to extend the facilities at the base?
http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/casedet.asp?mode=all&caseno=200101836


Edit: Found it.
http://www.sak.oslo.kommune.no/dok/Byr%5C2003%5CBR1%5C2003019781-1.htm
No highrise in those plans - no wonder they declined it tough... As they probably will decline the current plans... They should ally with Klp/Rom and chip in on some of the projects that benefits the city as compensation for building another tower.

I'm all for building a second scraper instead as well. Sounds like more or less every single one of you agrees with this :)

This suggestion is hopeless anyways :ohno:

That would make this one mighty building. But I agree with the rest of the people here. New tower: good, This: bad.

I will give it one thing, though, I like the way they change the short edges of the building to a pointier form. Imo that's what they should have done on the original.

And finally, I say that if they decide to increase the height in stead, I'll be all for it ofc. :D

What a horrible idea! For once I agree with the NIMBYs.

Det irriterer meg at vi skal ha en byantikvar som driver med inkonsekvent synsing som dette. Hvorfor skal vi ha statsansatte som sitter og kommer med sure oppgulp hver gang noen prøver å utvikle byen, mens når det er noe som er bevaringsverdig har han ingen invendinger?!? "Oslo plaza" er jo et ikon for Oslo, det første som har møtt mange som har reist inn til byen i et par tiår. Det er vel knapt noe bygg som representerer slutten av 80-tallet bedre.

^^ He's a NIMBY. He's trying to feed us rope to hang ourselves.

Am I the only one who think this would be cool? :P Seriously, not every high rise needs to be slim!

^ It would be cool, if this was one of many highrises in a cluster - the pointy side is brilliant, but not as THE highrise.

The problem is that it isn't slim now either. It was planned both taller and half as thick, but, as usual, someone made a compromise...

And me, I'm almost going for the NIMBY-arguement about the shadow. Some areas around this building have shadows most of the day already. Imagine with this!

The problem is that it isn't slim now either. It was planned both taller and half as thick, but, as usual, someone made a compromise...


Really? Stupid bastards! I would love to see a render of that!

Seriously, not every high rise needs to be slim!

No, but it should be slimmer than its height – or it will look more like a box than a tower. ;)


^ It would be cool, if this was one of many highrises in a cluster - the pointy side is brilliant, but not as THE highrise.

But if KLP´s project in Biksop Gunnerus gate 14b will be approved, it will not be THE highrise, anymore.

It really is a shame. A huge glass box (almost :D) in the middle of Oslo

The but ugly Radisson Scandinavia hotel in Copenhagen will at least get more right proportions.

Make it 150 meter tall instead!

But if KLP´s project in Biksop Gunnerus gate 14b will be approved, it will not be THE highrise, anymore.

Well i still not so glad about it, maybe if both Bg14b, Mads Galleri Oslo tower and Fjordporten would be built i would think differently.

The problem with this proposal is Plaza plot is so small (And effectivly we know Sonja Henies plass can't be built over) So if a new tower is to go up it will have to be very close to the existing one, the best thing would be to simply move the extension all the way to the nortern end of the plot to make a small gap between them and change the cladding so it appears to be a completly different building (Like Klp in Barcode). But then the river-lovers and other nimbys will say it's to close to the park. Basicly i don't see politicians can find city benefits to weight against the negative arguments against such an extension. Being a fan of horsetrades, and i think this is the only way to get build anything so tall in Oslo i would like to see Plaza offer some sort of benefit to the city in exchange of building permit, like Klp is doing with their bus-terminal and moving of Østre tangent aswell as making an ugly street more beautiful. While Plaza proposal is very hard to sell to the people even tough it would be in a different form like i mentioned earlier.

http://www.vg.no/reise/artikkel.php?artid=587464

Plaza ønsker å utvide fra dagens 673 rom til 1008 værelser, om de får det som de vil.

- Vi vil bygge i bredden - ikke høyden.

- Vi regner med å få Byrådets velsignelse i løpet av sommeren.

I tried to search up the Gardermoen proposal, let me know if you find anything about it please!

Oh my god!! This is a horrible proposal. I am glad all of you guys seem to have the same opinion. My first though when i saw it was WTF !?? This is excactly what we don't want, and excactly the reason why Postgirobygget was modified in the opposite direction - UPWARDS, and with the cosmetical "split" between it. PLEASE don't make a commieblock out of Plaza. We want tall and slender buildings, not this!

^^ worst thing is that few will actually do some opposition against this, but if they added the same area in height instead of sideways it would have been met with the largest opposition in Oslo history!

The building is already too tall to look over, so it wouldn't hurt to make it even taller. But wider, that will be pure ugly and blocking. I don't understand why they don't see that.

Just one thing to say if this gets approved; WTF? This must be the closest you could get to urban rape. Hope that byrådet have some better ambitions with this area

It would be strange if this gets approved. Especially after all the talk about Galleri Oslo beign a wall and a barrier in the city.

Do we really want a 110m tall Galleri Oslo?

Also, isn't this against the plans for Akerselva? That there should be atleast something like 40 metres of space on either side to allow it to drain pollution and cold air from the city?

It sure is, they want to expand the podium to the north into the park aswell as you can see in the first post. PBE suggested in their Oslo S vision that Plaza would build their extension in a new building on top of what is now Galleri Oslo, but only 42 meters tall.

Good news across the street! Spectrum wants to build an extension aswell, for conference purposes, these two complexes are already connected by a bridge, now we just need them to think the aubvious here! I think a new highrise making a portal with existing Plaza would be genius to mark Sonja Henies plass and the parkspace in the urban context =)

Here's a render of what Spectrum has in mind:
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/060810/spectrum.jpg

Good news across the street! Spectrum wants to build an extension aswell, for conference purposes, these two complexes are already connected by a bridge, now we just need them to think the aubvious here! I think a new highrise making a portal with existing Plaza would be genius to mark Sonja Henies plass and the parkspace in the urban context =)

Here's a render of what Spectrum has in mind:
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/060810/spectrum.jpg

I think when you first stated Spektrum was expanding, I expected something bigger than that.:nuts:

^ Exactly why they should fit a tower into their plans, since they aren't really ambitious from the beginning. The one fear that i have is that Spectrum might be in a rush with their plans, and therefor aren't interested in waiting ages for a cooperation-projects with Plaza.

The initative can now resume as seen in the files (http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/casedet.asp?mode=all&caseno=200805399). This is also the case with the "Mini barcode", and i guess the more exciting projects will follow soon.

i hope to god that this wont go through.. why ruin the one gorgeous highrise we have in this country..

^^They will only allow continouation of projects that won't be affected by the områdeprogram, right? I guess our favorite project has to wait a bit longer. And I still hope for a seperated tower for Oslo Plaza, even if they will have bridges between the two building at every floor!

I wouldn't place say Plaza is the only nice highrise tough. Both Seilet, Klp and Visma (In that order.) are still more beautiful buildings in my opinion.

There should set a limit at max 2 bridges to a new tower, and max 3 floors per bridge. (Roughly.) And please, follow the Klp-reciepe of contrasting towers instead of building a copy.

I have nothing positive to say about the project, and it must be greed only that makes an architect firm put their name on something like this.. :ohno:

Golden rule of architects is "Nothing is ugly." Sooo... :nuts: It wouldn't be bad in a cluster tough, but in Oslo...

Apparantly jobs are rare for architects in Sweden, these days. Or at least for White. (I wonder why that might be...)

I wouldn't place say Plaza is the only nice highrise tough. Both Seilet, Klp and Visma (In that order.) are still more beautiful buildings in my opinion.

There should set a limit at max 2 bridges to a new tower, and max 3 floors per bridge. (Roughly.) And please, follow the Klp-reciepe of contrasting towers instead of building a copy.

i guess youre right. nonneseterkvartalet (http://www.heis-knutsen.no/images/viewimage.aspx?id=13) isnt that bad either..

Now, you're just joking with me.... :ohno:

Anyhow- this sure is a nice building:
http://www.yimby.se/Publishing/FileStore/c8879f20-eef3-49fb-8590-5c9ca5a477a8.jpg

So we know White AB can produce it if they want... :)

Now, you're just joking with me.... :ohno:

Anyhow- this sure is a nice building:

So we know White AB can produce it if they want... :)

are you talking to me? what do you mean im joking?

and that building you posted looks beautiful.. id consider moving to oslo if they built it :lol:

^^They only care about their own backyard :ohno:


and that building you posted looks beautiful.. id consider moving to oslo if they built it :lol:
Its Stockholm :nuts:

Breaking news!

The proposal is modified, latest is to add 5 floors to the existing tower (Total 42 floors)! Aswell as adding 9 floors to the podium(Total 13floors) :)
http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=2822280

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/Plaza1.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/Plaza2.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/Plaza3.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/Plaza4.jpg

Take that Stavanger! :banana:

Best news in a long time!!!

Yes!
So much better
:cheers:

Hope it goes through

A far better alternative! Looks great actually i think.

Could even go a little bit higher on the new building towards the river. Wouldn't mind that they went higher on the tallest part either. Say 10-20 storyes more.

All in all a far better project now, and i really hope this gets approval.

Yes, great! Maybe i'm too optimistic, but i can't help but think that this must open doors for other projects in the making, like Krystallklar and the height issues. If PBE can come up with something like this, actually extending the building that's already the highest in the country, how can it not?

Damn, this is getting me exited!:D

^ It's not exactly PBE's suggestion tough... But i imagine it can pass trough easily enough :) Adding five floors would make it over 130 meters :) Instead of having a flat silhouette on the podium it would be nice if it culminate in a small baby-plaza tower at the opposite end instead. (The 42meter limit just seems stupid next to this monster anyway.)

5 floors means 16 metres on my calculator (117/37=3,162*5)
Is that correct or does this 37 floors also include floors beneath ground?

Good news anyhow...

That would be correct. But we don't know if the new floors aren't taller than the old ones. (I'm guessing yes.) I hope they decide on a two-sided skybar at the top floor instead of the current solution.

^ It's not exactly PBE's suggestion tough... But i imagine it can pass trough easily enough :)

Lol, you're right of course, got a bit carried away. But I do know that PBE rather saw an extension in height, too.

One thing though, Plaza won't be the biggest hotel in Scandinavia even after this extension. Gothia Hotel in Gothenburg, who surpassed Plaza some years ago with 704 rooms, has already gotten approval of an extension of 575 more. Building of a third tower will start in 2011 and be finisihed in 2013.

So, go even higher!!

just one thing to say:

:dance:

Fuck yes... they got brains afterall:cheers:

This is sooo great! If this gets approved it's time to celebrate.

Awesome! :cheers:

looks great, though 5 floors isnt a whole lot :)

its great to see improvements be made to the best highrise in the country!

Such a relief, the new proposal looks much better and keeps the character of the Plaza :)

Maybe they've chosen 5 floors because the old structure can take an extra load when they remove the heavy concrete top and replace it with a lighter but larger structure. If this is envisioned as a bubble-deck and steel extension one can imagine it could take a lot more floors if it were built as wood instead. Imagine trying to sleep on one of the top floors during a storm and listening to the wood crackling all around you :lol: Seriously tough, it would be great to stick the innovative "Future Built" label on it's journey trough City Hall. Presumably Buchardt was told to get lost with his green 200m Filipstad proposal, but this is a lot less controversial location than Filipstad, and the tower is already there after all.

See, there's an extension I can live with :)

I too would prefer a second tower, but thinking realistically this is great. :banana:

I love the extension, however it looks too much like an extension! How about making it more look like one complete building, say by recladding parts of the original part..? Or even better just a new 42st tower next to it! ^^:)

It looks cool anyway! Oslo over 40floors!

I love the extension, however it looks too much like an extension! How about making it more look like one complete building, say by recladding parts of the original part..? Or even better just a new 42st tower next to it! ^^:)

I wouldn't think they are allowed to do so. Riksantikvaren among others used to be quite strict on that a extension shouldn't blend with the rest of the building.

Maybe it's time to change the title?

OSLO | Radisson Blu Plaza extension | 134m | 42 fl | Pro

(Height according to forumer who read aften paper.)

Cant find an article on aftenposten.no, but in aften aften today there is a reportage about an extension of the current plaza building. Believe it or not - it is in the height. A 17 meter addition. The prospect looks nice, slim and urban. Really hope they get a go a head.

Bet the riksantikvar douche probably says no. Weird though, it is not like Plaza is an old buliding.

That guy must have the easiet job in the country. Just say no to anything.

Hmm, I also read it. Said 15 meters in my paper. But 17 seems more likely with 5 floors.

The article is now available online:
http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/restaurant_uteliv/article481428.ece

After first meeting with PBE, this is what we learned:

Pbe are against both the low extension and the tall extension. Area for regulationplan should extend from Spectrum to Vaterlands park and Nylandsveien, they suggest an alternative where the river is opened up, Nyland bridge demolished and new hotel wing built further from the park, possibly on top of Galleri Oslo (Maximum 42m total height.)

http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3000327

Depressive. Would it be possible for Yimby to comment on it?

After first meeting with PBE, this is what we learned:

Pbe are against both the low extension and the tall extension. Area for regulationplan should extend from Spectrum to Vaterlands park and Nylandsveien, they suggest an alternative where the river is opened up, Nyland bridge demolished and new hotel wing built further from the park, possibly on top of Galleri Oslo (Maximum 42m total height.)

http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3000327

42 height? how tall is that, 12 floors? Come to think of it, it's not that bad, sure, it's not tall, but it will add to the overall denseness of the area.

But as an extension of Galleri Oslo? I much prefer to extended Plaza in height. If nothing else this will probably make it easier to get other highrises approved in the same area.
:)

When the proposal reaches stage of "Planprogram" you can write in your opinions for the area. Pbe has earlier made it clear that 117m would be the absolute maximum for buildings in Oslo, so no surprice really, luckily they are not the ones who decide this.

I crosses my fingers and hope plaza will be extended then.
:)

42 height? how tall is that, 12 floors? Come to think of it, it's not that bad, sure, it's not tall, but it will add to the overall denseness of the area.

It's not bad, but surely they have to start to realise that land in that area is supremely scarce - by allowing Raddison to go up a few metres (which, let's face it - most people will probably not even notice), it frees another developer to build a nice alternative at their suggested Galleriet location?

OSLO | Radisson Blu Plaza (extension) | 55m | 17 fl | Pro

Brand new proposal again to please Pbe, Byantikvaren and the lot :ohno:
This time they try their luck with a building over the Ring1 ramp. The new building will be connected to Plazas floors 3-17 with a corridor. 440 new rooms. Still insists to cover up parts of Sonja Henies plass with an extended conference wing.

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/DSC00889.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/DSC00888.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/DSC00887.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/DSC00886.jpg

Here with a removed Nyland bridge and the central park on top of Oslo S:
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/DSC00885.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/DSC00884.jpg

What an awful thing. Oslo plaza already suffer from being slightly too thick for its height. Such a good idea to makes this even more visible.
:bash::nuts::ohno:

Looks terrible. Now, that's what I'd call a wall.

Hope this doesn't get built.

I guess PBE should start drawing their own alternative, so Radisson/White doesn't have to go through this lengthy process of getting proposal after proposal turned down!

I actually wonder about starting a "underskriftskampanje" against the wall-like structure in good nimby spirit. The building need more height, not less. Looke at how much better Postgirobygget got with a few more floors.

Rather see this one built than nothing! Mind you Pbe still want to see an alternative with max 42m :angel:

42m. Good for them to have a "kjepphest" to ride!

Rather see this one built than nothing!
I personally would prefer to see nothing be built than this thing. I would of course prefer an extension of Plaza or a properly designed tower next to it than both.

I really can't understand why we as a city are so against some height. Especially not there!

Rather see this one built than nothing! Mind you Pbe still want to see an alternative with max 42m :angel:


This strikes me as one of those compromises where nobody is happy...

OSLO | Radisson Blu Plaza (extension) | 55m | 17 fl | Pro

Brand new proposal again to please Pbe, Byantikvaren and the lot :ohno:
This time they try their luck with a building over the Ring1 ramp. The new building will be connected to Plazas floors 3-17 with a corridor. 440 new rooms. Still insists to cover up parts of Sonja Henies plass with an extended conference wing.

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/DSC00889.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/DSC00888.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/DSC00887.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/DSC00886.jpg

Here with a removed Nyland bridge and the central park on top of Oslo S:
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/DSC00885.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/DSC00884.jpg

COWI/Weenaas gruppen:

Vi har i ettertid arbeidet videre med alternativet over veirampen, og kommet til at dette er en løsning som gir interessante muligheter, og som kan imøtekomme mange av de innvendingene som ble reist mot de opprinnelige løsningene for tilbygg/påbygg av Oslo Plaza

:tiasd: There's never going to be an extension to the tower!

Retards. A perfect opportunity to change what is wrong with todays building ruined. And the whole overview of the area post-galleri Oslo looks like a fucking suburb. I guess the nimbys are happy though as they don't get the height which is apparently the only thing that matters when you design a building (which is why Galleri Oslo turned out to be such a beauty queen).

Yeah, oh don't build tall buildings... someone might get struck by a deadly shadow while drinking their morning coffee.
Much better to let people die from boredom.

Someone, incompetent, with too much power is RUINING the city ffs.
BUILD TALLER !

Retards. A perfect opportunity to change what is wrong with todays building ruined. And the whole overview of the area post-galleri Oslo looks like a fucking suburb. I guess the nimbys are happy though as they don't get the height which is apparently the only thing that matters when you design a building (which is why Galleri Oslo turned out to be such a beauty queen).

Those renderings from Oslo S, are from the charette Oslo S 2060. Don´t get why they used those renderings though. That proposal was also by far the least popular, and claimed as very unrealistic.

Retards. A perfect opportunity to change what is wrong with todays building ruined. And the whole overview of the area post-galleri Oslo looks like a fucking suburb. I guess the nimbys are happy though as they don't get the height which is apparently the only thing that matters when you design a building (which is why Galleri Oslo turned out to be such a beauty queen).

Actually, Galleri Oslo was built at the same time as Oslo Plaza, and is designed by the same arcitects, (LPO if I'm not mistaken).

Plaza was taken over by White arkitekter, and is a bit newer than the gallery.

Actually, Galleri Oslo was built at the same time as Oslo Plaza, and is designed by the same arcitects, (LPO if I'm not mistaken).

Huh? Why are you quoting me? :dunno:

I don't know which alternative is the most ridiculous: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3318870

And all alternatives show a big massive consisting of the existing highrise, and the extension. How can this be better for the city and the skyline, than a simple adding in height of ~40-50 meters?! I can't possibly wrap my head around it!

O boy, should we make a statement in December...

It's just sad:( Adding a few more floors on the existing building would be so much better for the local enviroment than these fat boxes.

It's just sad:( Adding a few more floors on the existing building would be so much better for the local enviroment than these fat boxes.
+1. :ohno:

First the Oslo Plaza expansion project involved increasing the tower's height and added floors to the podium. Then it called for adding a new tower to the southeast. What new expansion plan is gonna be thought of next?

I hope they go with the alternative over the ramps - a little sad it's been lowered one floor...

^^ Really? You prefer to build over the ramp '60s style rather than get a higher and more elegant highrise?

Ofcourse not, that alternative was discarded back in February - i'm just expressing my feelings about the current alternatives. Covering the road is ok, pedestrian movement along it runs on a separate bridge anyhow.

^^ Couldn't someone write a "leserbrev" to Aften or something arguing why we should a) extend it height rather than in width or some of the other stupid suggestions, and b) why we should put on area to side where we can build taller highrises just like Paris did.

New renders added to opening post.

Out of the two alternatives, I would pick alternative 1, should be 15 floors instead of 13, though. I would have favoured the old proposal for adding just 5 floors to the tower. Wasn't very much in favour of widening the tower, though.

The taller curved one is marginally better out of a lot of dull designs.

the stupidity of lumping things on the side is bad enough, but surely they could at least come up with some stunning or unique structure. it just looks incredibly cheap.

Seriously we must get this stopped. It's just so stupid!!!! :ohno::bash:

Why can't they just build a second highrise somewhere between 70 -90 meters? Plaza could need a "nedtrapping" towards the park. I know some of you have photoshop, would be interesting to see how a highrise would look in the alternativ 1 spot.

I don't know which alternative is the most ridiculous: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3318870

And all alternatives show a big massive consisting of the existing highrise, and the extension. How can this be better for the city and the skyline, than a simple adding in height of ~40-50 meters?! I can't possibly wrap my head around it!

O boy, should we make a statement in December...
How far have you come with it?

^^As far as I know, they haven't announced the planning/hearing yet, but I don't read Aftenposten either... I've tried to look for it on COWI's site, but haven't seen it yet. If you have, then obviously it's just to start writing... Personally I will have more time to write after I'm done with my exams the 14th of this month.

^^ It was meant as you a reminder of the case (I haven't seen it either but then again I haven't looked).
:)

Man, I wish the Radisson Blu Plaza Hotel would get an expansion and nothing has been finalised yet. Nothing has been finalized yet, and I doubt that firm expansion plans will come to fruition.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xAtD9LLmJMw/TbX-0GiwcZI/AAAAAAAAAHs/kcJCVUclNMU/s1600/FUU%2Bvela%255B3%255D%255B4%255D.jpg
FUCK!!!

Well, at least I saw it before April 30th...

We've got 4 days!!

Planprogram for Oslo Plaza

COWI varsler om offentlig ettersyn av planprogram og oppstart detaljregulering for Oslo Plaza Hotel på Sonja Henies plass 3. Eventuelle bemerkninger til programmet og planarbeidet skal sendes innen 30. april.

Planen tilrettelegger for utvidelse av næringsbygg på mer enn 15 000 kvadratmeter og utløser dermed krav til konsekvensutredning. Planområdet omfatter Sonja Henies plass med Oslo Plaza og tilhørende utearealer, deler av rampesystem fra Nylandsveien til Schweigaards gate og Vaterlandsparken. Planområdet grenser til Galleri Oslo og Schweigaards gate i sør, mot Nylandsveien og Akerselva i øst og Oslo Spektrum og Brugata i nord.

Hensikten er å tilrettelegge for utvidelse av hotellets kapasitet gjennom påbygging av eksisterende bygninger og eventuelt utnyttelse av ubebygde arealer. Det er behov for å utvide hotellet med 300-400 rom, i tillegg til utvidelse av administrasjon og restaurant. Det er også ønskelig å oppgradere utearealene rundt hotellet, slik at disse blir mer attraktive for hotellets gjester og allmennheten.

Planarbeidet utføres av COWI AS på vegne av Wenaasgruppen AS. Kontakt Heidi Høiseth for mer informasjon og forslag til planprogram. Bemerkninger eller kommentarer til programmet og det igangsatte planarbeidet rettes til heh@cowi.no innen 30. april.

This is bad.
They should definitely build a second tower instead!

In the final planprogram, alt. 2 with the extension over the motorway ramps have been remove. Surprisingly, Statens Vegvesen wouldn't allow a highrise over Rv4!:nuts:

http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3608070

Now with only extension on top of the conference part left, will this 16-floorer ever see daylight? The width rivals even Helsfyr Atrium, and there is no shock that the linked document doesn't even show renders facing south-east.

If Galleri Oslo is going to be demolished, why not build a new tower where Akershus fylkeskommune is today. That plot would be ideal for a narrow tower that looks taller then it really is. Only problem I see is that the towers might look like a wall, since there will be very little space between them.

New proposal for extension to Plaza.

http://ap.mnocdn.no/incoming/article6965918.ece/ALTERNATES/w380c34/afp000383596.jpg?updated=150820120936

I really do not like this at all. The tower feeling of Plaza is disappearing with this design.

http://www.osloby.no/nyheter/Oslo-Plaza-har-voksesmerter-6965924.html

^^ Isn't this proposal the same as this one?:

Proposed
Radisson BLU Plaza Extension
Sentrum - Oslo

Alternative 1 - 50meters/42meters.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/pl1a-1.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/pl1b-1.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/pl1c-1.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/pl1d-1.jpg

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Looks like they have done for alt.1. If it's 100% the same I'm not sure.

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Test

looks great!!

This will just ruin the tower appearance and make the whole hotel appear as one fat ugly wall.

Adding 5-7 floors to the tower as they initially planned would have been infinitely better - it would even have made the Postgiro highrise look better.

http://www.osloby.no/nyheter/Bystyret-apner-for-a-rive-Galleri-Oslo-6990146.html

The obvious solution that emerges with the new willingness to demolish parts of Galleri Oslo, is to integrate the eastern part of that building into Oslo Plaza. That could represent a major improvement for the whole area!

I predict we'll see a that solution being proposed within 2 months!

^^ The eastern part? That’s the part furthest from Oslo plaza. Anyways; the perfect plan to fix Galleri Oslo and at the same time build a tower in a great location is already developed;

http://free-d.nl/project/show/id/456/subCat/special

I hope they will revive that one.

Wow, that one looks awesome.

I don't get people who fight against highrises in this area of Oslo. Their main argument is that the shadows will be longer because of the latitude.. but really, a 160m highrise in Oslo will have shorter shadows than a 200m skyscraper in Frankfurt and Vancouver. This would have made both Plaza and Postgiro look better.

Yep, I agree totally Fjellknaus - I have had that exact thought before (a third highrise/scraper), and in fact I once heard another family member of mine say that, many years ago :)

So you're not alone in having had that thought.

A third scraper designed to fit well with Plaza and Post would be great IMO!

(btw Krystallklar was something close to that, only problem was that the position and so on in relation to the two other highrises wasn't perfect to be honest. I have thought about either the top of Spektrum or Oslo City as better "positions" for a scraper, in order to make it fit better. I think maybe Oslo City's position would be one of the best alternatives -- one third alternative could maybe be replacing a part of the eastern Galleri Oslo)


Just thinking out loud :D