Show us some pics of Hyper Building Density.

This is where I live (Yangzhou), I find my OLD City Core is DENSELY built as hell.

Anyway, all buildings are accessible through narrow alleys.

the OLD City Core highlighted

http://f.imagehost.org/0689/YZ0.jpg

Zoom in

http://f.imagehost.org/0245/YZ2.jpg

Zoom in

http://f.imagehost.org/0996/YZ3.jpg

Now they are mostly homes of economically non-affluent people

http://bbs.cnhxs.com/UploadFile/2007-12/2007122619355733765.jpg

a narrow alley between these bungalows

http://www.elong.com/seoresource/pictures/20090226/0031472cf21d440db4a7ecd17f80778e.jpg

Hong Kong

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2203/3541318211_7614c0476e_o.jpg

source: http://www.flickr.com/photos/derrickgmp/

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3268/2774883920_f61a8fb63d_b.jpg

source: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37482335@N00/2774883920

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/238/447364164_aee4d49c49_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/195/440286102_ee62a4e6c0_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/130/421065558_2f2b3cc3b3_b.jpg

source: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bernard11/sets/72057594073455991/

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3040/2499278450_e2ece7f78e_b.jpg

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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2296/2499275902_177e66bf2f_b.jpg

source: http://www.flickr.com/photos/weijing/sets/72157605098073025/

i liek tihs

Background is Aberdeen, on the SW side on Hong Kong Island.

Foreground is Ap Lei Chau, which is the densest populated piece of land in the world.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/141/327064856_1937052589_o.jpg

Source: http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14922

Foreground is Ap Lei Chau, which is the densest populated piece of land in the world.[/img]

Buliding density please, not population density.

Now they are mostly homes of economically non-affluent people

That's fancy for "Poor"? :D

That old town of Yangzhou looks very interesting. Is there a chance that it could survive the teeth of time and maybe find a new modern use apart from being a sort of better slum? Its heritage like this that really would need to be rescued in China.

Tokyo, the neverending city


http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/5570/bfea778bfz7.jpg

Paris

SCROLL - one third the panorama only (check out the Eiffel Tower for scale)

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/1154/21693651fromsacrecoeur9lvnf8.jpg

and again:

http://membres.lycos.fr/jgallay/p_villes/p_paris2.jpg
http://membres.lycos.fr


http://www.survoldefrance.fr/photos/highdef/11050.jpg
www.survoldefrance.fr

http://66.230.220.70/images/post/par5/par5.jpg
http://66.230.220.70

this may be the winner in terms of modern buildings? (but not height-footprint ratio):

Athens:

SCROLL>>>>
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1701/00athenspannj6.jpg

old pic, the buildings are white now after the Olympic makeover:

http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/users/bzelt/CORINTH/PHOTOS/AthensDensity.jpg
www.soest.hawaii.edu

http://www.airphotos.gr/photo2/2645.jpg
www.airphotos.gr

http://www.airphotos.gr/photo2/2633.jpg
www.airphotos.gr

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4742/zzathensviewfromlycabetwl2.jpg
neorion
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1187/675555753_71ac2caede_o.jpg


satellite:

http://asterweb.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/images/athens-view.jpg

close-up of the 'small' peninsular at bottom:

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/8865/2294911574d1476d012cbre6.jpg

Whoa!
This thread is insanity.

No, it's density.

some more pix me likee:


Barcelona

http://www.geocities.com/ultraflorist/grid.jpg
www.geocities.com


Hong Kong

http://img89.exs.cx/img89/4600/hongkongbig.jpg
Tokyo SCROLL!

http://chiri.xrea.jp/cgi-bin/img-box/img20060702190812.jpg
http://chiri.xrea.jp

Streets of the oldtown in Genova:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/185/404245962_be41dbd303_b.jpg

Toronto:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2171/2504143662_0951827a4c_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3067/2287272632_2a263f2855_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3401/3185920792_85c7089926_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3265/3171414529_429f965060_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3266/3185527462_9b08196752_b.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1030/1049976471_21af27c144_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3250/3056564862_0eba86224b_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3318/3258472871_260cf5d724_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3594/3404719823_93ae28241c_b.jpg

There's a difference between density and playing with pictures.

Lot's of the pics on this thread are done in a way so that cities apear denser than what they are.


btw, there should be a rule about people posting too many pics of their cities in this kind of thread.

No, it's density.
i guess i walked right into that one. :doh:

Some great stuff, people! Go on with the shite.

I'd like to mention that dense modern areas can be pretty scary,
while dense historical areas are just beautiful for the main part.

Whoa!
This thread is insanity.
No, it's density.

:lol:

That old town of Yangzhou looks very interesting. Is there a chance that it could survive the teeth of time and maybe find a new modern use apart from being a sort of better slum? Its heritage like this that really would need to be rescued in China.

I second this! It's sad to see how much is already gone in China.
This has to be preserved whatever it may cost! The Chinese government got enough money to keep such historical neighbourhoods, so they should do so! I already see lots of Chinese culture & tradition dying, esp. in architecture.

These places have to be maintained now, otherwise they'll be gone in a few years time!

I know they already did something for the canal and the temple buildings, but what's supposed to be down with the regular old town buildings? Any information on that?

Of course they are maintained and renovated, some have become parks.

http://pic.moobol.com/user1_pic//071203/ljqjmy/081206/s/010437288.jpg
http://pic.moobol.com/user1_pic//071203/ljqjmy/081206/s/010437277.jpg
http://pic.moobol.com/user1_pic//071203/ljqjmy/081206/s/010437500.jpg

LOL@ Toronto. Fist of all, just because you show the business center and play with the camera, that doesn't mean the city is dense, on the contrary, a few hundred meters from the highrises, its just greenery. And please don't post a gazillion pictures......
Paris has very wide boulevards and much greenery, its not that dense, like Asian cities, or like Athens, which is a 400km2 of concrete.

null: Well, those are the touristically important spots I talked about - but what about regular living quarters inside the old town? Are those kept as well?

LOL@ Toronto. Fist of all, just because you show the business center and play with the camera, that doesn't mean the city is dense, on the contrary, a few hundred meters from the highrises, its just greenery.

LOL@You. The downtown area is one of the densest cores in North America. There are more highrises in Toronto than Chicago. The surrounding greenery further highlights the density of transit oriented development. TOD is precisely why the building density is high.

Here's a better picture. It shows the density along Yonge to NYCC.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5319/img7343.jpg

^^ by international standards, that's not dense, there are just some office buildings in the core but even there there's a lot of green.

I wouldn't either consider Barcelona to be extremely dense especially for Mediterranean standards; it does have some density, but the "islands" of houses have a large patio in the middle and the streets are wide enough so that with the maximum established height of the buildings all flats receive sunlight at some point of time during the day.

When did this thread become a competition? I can show you many photos of "international cities" that are less dense. Sure there's alot of greenery. Toronto has a very large number of parks. As far as I know, this thread isn't concentrating solely on an entire city's built form. New York and Hong Kong similarily have "lots of green" and no one would argue that they don't have some of the highest levels of building density.

The guy posted 9 photos (not a "gazillion") of Toronto that were relevant to this thread. How much precious bandwidth did that consume on your broadband connection? :ohno:

A small part of my city.

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1482/3546932214fe0e8c5176o.jpg

My house lies in a similar area, you can wander for hours in those alleyways without hitting the road. Sometimes you could explore whole new things: a wet market, a village church has long been gobbled up by the expanding city.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2323/2228107741_a3c593e3c1.jpg?v=0

null: Well, those are the touristically important spots I talked about - but what about regular living quarters inside the old town? Are those kept as well?

check it out:


http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=154247&page=1

I wouldn't call Toronto 'hyper' dense, but it does have some very dense pockets even by international standards. Besides, the thread starter never stated the entire city had to be dense, so I don't see a problem with posting a few pictures that highlight the denser sides of Toronto.

There aren't many cities in the Developed World that could be considered 'hyper dense'. Maybe NYC, Athens, Naples and Rome. Toronto's dense by North American standards, but that's all. By world standards, it's still just a sprawling mess with McMansions standing around as soon as the CBD ends. That's hardly dense at all.

Cities like HK, Singapore, Jakarta and Sao Paolo know the real meaning of density.

Macao is a good example for a developed world hyper-dense city.

There aren't many cities in the Developed World that could be considered 'hyper dense'. Maybe NYC, Athens, Naples and Rome.

Naples and Rome but not Hong Kong, Paris, Seoul, or Tokyo? (though, I'd still hesitate to call Tokyo hyper-dense)


Toronto's dense by North American standards, but that's all. By world standards, it's still just a sprawling mess with McMansions standing around as soon as the CBD ends. That's hardly dense at all.

Um no, sorry, the CBD is not surrounded by McMansions. :|

Macau

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3133/2597824019_31440b377c_b.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1236/1431895874_d0139da3ac_b.jpg

source: http://www.flickr.com/photos/maloneyurbanadventures/1431895874/

Taipei, Taiwan
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3066/3102488538_a4d324c702_b.jpg
source: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dans180/461065557/

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1242/1242181464_78c2a6d350_b.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1413/1241317903_83d6c2cadd_b.jpg
source: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sherwin_w/1242181464/

^^Taipei looks awesome, but 101 looks like a troll siting there,:lol:

Macau

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3133/2597824019_31440b377c_b.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1236/1431895874_d0139da3ac_b.jpg


Yeeeah that's awesome!:banana:

ya those are awesmoe macau pics

Found this picture of Sao Paolo:

http://www.diserio.com/SaoPaoloSkyline.jpg

hehe almost looks like Coruscant

http://www.verumserum.com/media/2008/04/coruscant.jpg

http://img89.exs.cx/img89/4600/hongkongbig.jpg

Sampa is the perfect example of this.

Check out this landing
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OK so people just need to relax in this thread

I posted 9 pictures, is that too many for your shit computer to handle? Maybe you shouldn't be on this site.

Secondly Toronto is quite dense so I thought maybe I would post some pictures I didn't know it would start this stupidity that seems to repeat itself in almost every thread from losers who have way too much time on their hands.

Thirdly, Toronto does not just have 'some' office towers, there's A LOT of office towers so check your glasses

So before you ignorant bastards open your mouths, back up your shit b/c I'm getting rather tired of it.

OK so people just need to relax in this thread

I posted 9 pictures, is that too many for your shit computer to handle? Maybe you shouldn't be on this site.
yes it causes the computers im on to crash sometimes. not this thread but sometimes in the picture forums when theres 100 hi res pics on a page or large pano. i dont have computer myself so i access site mostly through public computers (internet cafe or business center at hotel or something) and these computers arent the best.

Secondly Toronto is quite dense so I thought maybe I would post some pictures I didn't know it would start this stupidity that seems to repeat itself in almost every thread from losers who have way too much time on their hands.

Thirdly, Toronto does not just have 'some' office towers, there's A LOT of office towers so check your glasses

So before you ignorant bastards open your mouths, back up your shit b/c I'm getting rather tired of it.
toronto doesnt seem to have more density tahn ohter NA cities of comparable size sorry. :)

toronto doesnt seem to have more density tahn ohter NA cities of comparable size sorry. :)

Whatever it may seem like, Toronto's urban area in 2001 was 1,655 sqkm. and had 4,367,000 inhabitants (2,638 people/sqkm), which would now be about 5+ million in that area (average annual growth in the metropolitan area of 100,000 in this time, though not all of that growth necessarily would have been in the urban area, plus that urban area would have expanded). US urban areas of comparable population at that time (3.8-4.9 million in 2000) would be Boston, Dallas-Fort Worth, Houston, Detroit, Miami, and DC, which range in density from 900 people/sqkm to 1,700 people/sqkm. The only urban area of any size in the US with a higher density is Los Angeles with 2,728 people/sqkm. http://www.citymayors.com/statistics/largest-cities-area-125.html

Alternatively, if we do that 1,600 sqkm. population as was done in that other thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=866450&page=11), Toronto would have ~5 million people in that area compared to Los Angeles' 6.4 million and New York's 10.5 million...not bad considering that its total metro pop. is half the size of LA's and a third the size of NYC's.

Toronto is impressively dense by NA standards, both "metro" and "core/peak". However, I agree with those who point out that by world standards it's not "hyper-dense."

I also agree that 9 pictures in a thread like this is rude. I wouldn't have said that but Ale26's latest post makes me think he's a kid, who could use some feedback.

Ok, 4000/km² in the city of Toronto is good at NA-standards, but look at Chicago or SF, they're more dense.

Whatever it may seem like, Toronto's urban area in 2001 was 1,655 sqkm. and had 4,367,000 inhabitants (2,638 people/sqkm), which would now be about 5+ million in that area (average annual growth in the metropolitan area of 100,000 in this time, though not all of that growth necessarily would have been in the urban area, plus that urban area would have expanded). US urban areas of comparable population at that time (3.8-4.9 million in 2000) would be Boston, Dallas-Fort Worth, Houston, Detroit, Miami, and DC, which range in density from 900 people/sqkm to 1,700 people/sqkm. The only urban area of any size in the US with a higher density is Los Angeles with 2,728 people/sqkm. http://www.citymayors.com/statistics/largest-cities-area-125.html

this thread is about building density not population density. but on population density, i notice yo leave out bay area.

Ok, 4000/km² in the city of Toronto is good at NA-standards, but look at Chicago or SF, they're more dense.

They're also a much smaller portion of their metro areas and lack the vast amounts of greenspace and industrial land found in the outer areas of Toronto. Looking at the population of municipalities as a percentage of the total metro population:

San Francisco: 19% (808,976/4,203,898)
Chicago: 29% (2,836,659/9,785,747)
Toronto: 44% (2,503,281/5,639,274)

If the City of Toronto therefore only included the centre-most 1,071,462-1,635,389 people in the metro instead of 2.5 million...it'd be much denser than 4,000 people/sqkm. The 3 central [former] boroughs for example have about a million people in 141 sqkm, and as such, 7,000/sqkm, which is comparable to San Francisco.


this thread is about building density not population density. but on population density, i notice yo leave out bay area.

There is no Bay Area on that chart (as it is a CSA, not an urban area), and the San Francisco-Oakland urban area isn't really of comparable size. And building density and population density are generally related.

Honk Kong's density is insane.

They're also a much smaller portion of their metro areas and lack the vast amounts of greenspace and industrial land found in the outer areas of Toronto.
sf has a lot of greenspace as well. golden gate park, golden gate recreation area, presidio, candlestick, laek merced, some of teh hills, etc.




There is no Bay Area on that chart (as it is a CSA, not an urban area), and the San Francisco-Oakland urban area isn't really of comparable size.
meh yo know wat i meant (sf ua plus sj ua)

Yet another thread -- about "hyper building density" at that! -- hijacked by Toronto boosters?

Sure, Toronto has dense pockets, especially by North American standards, but it really doesn't belong in this thread among monsters like Hong Kong.

Staff whining again because someone mentioned Toronto? No way!

Nobody is saying that the population density of Toronto as a whole is "hyper-dense" (I was merely correcting claims that the CDB is "surrounded by McMansions" and that similarly-sized North American cities are denser), but the CBD as depicted on the first page could indeed be considered hyper building density. Its not quite at the level of density or size of New York or Hong Kong's CBDs, but otherwise, how many skyscraper clusters of that size and density exist around the world?



meh yo know wat i meant (sf ua plus sj ua)

That would be 4,767,000 people in 2,039 sqkm. (2,338/sqkm)

^^
Actually I wasn't referring to your posts this time. ;)

Yet another thread -- about "hyper building density" at that! -- hijacked by Toronto boosters?

Sure, Toronto has dense pockets, especially by North American standards, but it really doesn't belong in this thread among monsters like Hong Kong.

That's not fair - if we stuck to 'monsters' like Hong Kong, we'd only be posting pictures of Hong Kong, New York, and four or five more cities.

There are loads of cities that are also dense. There's no need for pics of Toronto.

are Shanghai and Mumbai getting close?

Shanghai ( 2004 )

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3180/2617977064_49521a0dd8_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3143/2617975836_293dc8832a_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3226/2617153337_f006c473cc_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3253/2617154033_0ebc56d9b4_o.jpg
source: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lowcola/sets/72157605855641696/

Although the buildings are not that high, the fact that La Paz in Bolivia is in a bowl gives it a very special feeling of density.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/34/72165047_5300f9009e_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2044/2226552360_a53bd9c527_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3122/2865999109_5436e30367.jpg?v=0


Pictures don't do it justice, but it surely is impressive, maybe more than a skyscraper city, given that when you are in the lowest zones, you are litteraly surrounded by 800m tall urbanized hills.

Manhattan...nothing like it in the US for sure.

http://i40.tinypic.com/2u7ro09.jpg
Full size: http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4051/small4xmto3.jpg

I just visited CAIRO and I always thought Sao Paulo is dense...
(not my pics)

http://www.lucienschranz.com/arabia/cairo5.jpg
http://news.haverford.edu/blogs/cairo/files/2009/01/cairo_in_smog.jpg
http://www.traveladventures.org/continents/africa/images/bab-zuweyla05.jpg

i wonder what's more dense cairo or istanbul.. istanbul has more room to expand probably

Cairo is expending extremly into the desert (which will be irrigated). Driving to Port Said you can see a lot of New Towns and Alphavilles newly planned and built.

Cairo is expending extremly into the desert (which will be irrigated). Driving to Port Said you can see a lot of New Towns and Alphavilles newly planned and built.

didn't know that about Cairo, interesting


istanbul pics



http://earthfromspace.photoglobe.info/img/istanbul.jpg

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/8003/istanbul200897.jpg

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1200/KONGRE_VADISI_08-08-2007_-_08.jpg

Here's a great image Eric Bowers took of East Midtown, Manhattan.

http://www.madnessmatrix.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/midtown-manhattan.jpg

and another fantastic one looking south to the financial district.

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4051/small4xmto3.jpg

sf looking south from telegraph hill.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1181/1319832003_da6c19d247_b.jpg

unfortunately its the highest res image i can find and its not very good, but theres a crapload of building density in this area (north beach/chinatown/nob hil). it's also one of the highest densities neighborhoods in the US outside of manhattan.

Manhattan's building density is dense no doubt.

definitly!

Manhattan's real high-rise density can be found from Midtown East to the Upper East Side. In fact The Upper East Side can be comparable to HK Island's Western District especially the areas around Sai Ying Pun and Kennedy Town.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/9/77705399_c5b3ecb064_b.jpg

http://www.newint.org/issue378/pics/life-8.jpg

I believe HK has a much greater density of people per interior square foot.

I believe HK has a much greater density of people per interior square foot.

i dunno, the upper east side has a considerably higher population density than the central/western district of hk (45,649/km² vs. 20,102/km²), so living quarters would have to be considerably smaller in HK for this to hold true. although i guess if you included the officy areas of midtown you'd prolly be right

Damn those buildings look ugly (except Toronto) from the first page.

Santorini dense village, Fira:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1163/1196822012_2e6bd67506.jpg

And Oia:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3081/2452970824_b220062095.jpg

Monaco, the whole state is dense:)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3292/2890570501_81609d5b47.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3124/2690083249_979ca80074.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3067/2674577067_952aef37eb_b.jpg

Damn those buildings look ugly (except Toronto) from the first page.

Ugly? Even Paris and Hong Kong?

Jiefangbei district in Chongqing city will have 10-11 supertalls (3 of them taller than 430m) and another 11 towers taller than 200m in a tiny area of less than 1km2. Also many 100-199m towers. I don't think any other city in the world has gone this crazy.

Jiefangbei nowadays, only 2x200m+ towers and no supertalls.
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/1809/66ni0.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others2/DSC_0313s_bqVW7nuKmncY-1.jpg

Tokyo, the neverending city


http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/5570/bfea778bfz7.jpg

Bangkok, The uglier, dirtier sister

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/5323/3515805448afcc5c28d9b.jpg

i dont think a lot of those buildings in chongqing are going to be built, aren't most of them just proposals?

that peninsula in chongqing is very dense tho. i was there during national day in 2005 and it was crazy amount of ppl, perhaps most ppl ive ever seen in one place.

i dunno, the upper east side has a considerably higher population density than the central/western district of hk (45,649/km² vs. 20,102/km²), so living quarters would have to be considerably smaller in HK for this to hold true. although i guess if you included the officy areas of midtown you'd prolly be right

450 sq ft is the average size of a HK flat. The Upper East Side is predominantly, an upper middle to upper class area. The Western District of HK is lower-middle class on the lower level and upper-middle to upper on the higher level.

I would guess the living space is Western district would be smaller than those in The Upper East Side of Manhattan.

ya of course, but 2.27 times smaller? i seriously doubt the average living space on the upper east side is above 1000 ft. although i could be wrong, i am not familiar with the area at all and am not familiar with average size of living spaces in US cities.

ya of course, but 2.27 times smaller? i seriously doubt the average living space on the upper east side is above 1000 ft. although i could be wrong, i am not familiar with the area at all.

Living space in the Upper East Side would be bigger. Majority of those living there are upper class.

majority upper class? i doubt that. even if they are doesnt mean they live in big place.

majority upper class? i doubt that. even if they are doesnt mean they live in big place.

OK this is Wikipedia, but here it is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_East_Side

ya sorry, im looking up data on the area, it seems like most of the units are 0-1 bedrooms which suggests well under 1000 sq ft

in the 10021 zip code for example.

http://www.city-data.com/zips/10021.html

owner occupied units

* no bedroom: 2,142
* 1 bedrooms: 6,590
* 2 bedrooms: 7,660
* 3 bedrooms: 3,061
* 4 bedrooms: 1,189
* 5 or more bedrooms: 475

renter occupied

* no bedroom: 10,482
* 1 bedrooms: 19,610
* 2 bedrooms: 8,614
* 3 bedrooms: 1,467
* 4 bedrooms: 205
* 5 or more bedrooms: 46

doesn't tell wat size they are unfortunately. not sure how accurate city data is either

i dont think a lot of those buildings in chongqing are going to be built, aren't most of them just proposals?

that peninsula in chongqing is very dense tho. i was there during national day in 2005 and it was crazy amount of ppl, perhaps most ppl ive ever seen in one place.


Only one of the projects (2 towers) is unlikely to be built, all others should be completed within 2015, maybe a couple of them will be delayed a few more years though. I've cut the CBD core here, the area is just around 0.8km2, shorter than Lujiazui and similar size as Manhattan's FiDi. The white line spans 1000m only.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others2/JFB.png

This is a brief list of the towers there:

1) 463m: ASE Center 1. Started digging last month.
2) 431m: CQ IFC. Foundation/On hold for years as it has been revised upwards for 10+ times. May be revised even higher.
3) 430m (380m without the spire): Financial Street 1. Recently approved, demolition works on going.
4) 331m: Global Financial District. Final height unclear. Digging the hole now.
5) 330m: Lanko International Tower. Rising, around the 20th floor now.
6) 320m: Hongyadong Phase 2. Under design.
7) 318m: Yingli Tower. Foundation works.
8) 308m: Yuzhou Hotel. On hold for years, purchased by a new developer two months ago and likely to be redesigned (probably taller they say).
9) 300m+: Newport Tower 1. Only a proposal, unlikely to be built.
10) 300m: Poly Tower. Rising, around the 15th floor now.
11) 293m (likely to be revised to 320m~): ASE Center 2. Started digging last month.
12) 290m~ (240m without the spire): Financial Street 2. Recently approved, demolition works on going.
13) 283m: WTCC. Completed.
14) 250m: Financial Street 3. Recently approved, demolition works on going.
15) 244m: Xinhua International Building. Rising, around the 15th floor now.
16) 235m: ASE Center 3. Approved.
17) 228m: NYNY Tower. Completed
18) 220m: Financial Street 4. Foundation works.
19) 220m~ (200m without the spire): Financial Street 5. Recently approved, demolition works on going.
20) 210m: Financial Street 5. Recently approved, demolition works on going.
21) 202m: ASE Center 4: Rising, currently around the 5th floor.
22) 200m+: Newport Tower 2. Only a proposal, unlikely to be built.
23) 200m~: Financial Street 6. Recently approved, demolition works on going.
24) 193m: ASE Center 5: Topped out.
[...]

You can check the location here, but the map is very outdated as many heights have been revised, and I forgot including the Lanko Intl Tower (which is next to Financial Street). IMO this district is becoming world's densest skyline by far.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others/ChongqingCBD.jpg

ya i'm familiar with the projects, i've read your threads. i just think your being overly optimistic about all of these being built. i guess we'll see but dont get your hopes up man.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/mmskyline.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3061/2932479253_5ece0d35c4.jpg


^^
With a population of 1,660,714 and a land area of 38.55 km², Manila has the highest population density of
any major city in the world with 43,079 people/km² (with district 6 being the most dense with 68,266, followed by the first two districts (Tondo)
with 64,936 and 64,710, respectively, and district 5 being the least dense with 19,235).

Manila's population density dwarfs that of Paris (20,164 inhabitants per km²),
Shanghai (16,364 people/km², with its most dense district of Nanshi's 56,785 density), Buenos Aires (2,179 people/km²,
with its most dense inner suburb Lanus' 10,444 density), Tokyo (10,087 people/km²), Mexico City (11,700 people/km²),
and Istanbul (1,878 people/km², with its most dense district Fatih's 48,173 density).:bash:

But when accounting for the entire urban area, Metro Manila drops to 85th place with 18,868 people/km²
in a land area of 636 km², behind even Cebu City, which ranks 80th.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3243/2872171356_7b6f04af6a_b.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/EnozAnewor/maraculioortigas.jpg


althouh Metro Manila is not that dense in terms of skyscrapers,
the whole Metro is population dense.:nuts:

http://images.ricmaniquis.multiply.com/image/23/photos/242/1200x1200/14/-RM14205-copy-1.JPG?et=GgpkF4dIqFWWK%2BlHTOIhAg&nmid=99829607


http://images.ricmaniquis.multiply.com/image/20/photos/242/1200x1200/13/-RM14194-copy-1.JPG?et=1%2CdmQYWgRfmUpBAKpCO02g&nmid=99664001


^^
a not so jampacked Philippine city situated 1,500m above sea level - Baguio City..:)


http://images.ricmaniquis.multiply.com/image/38/photos/242/1200x1200/8/-RPM1485-copy-1.JPG?et=VfhOx3%2Cdyie2Vj5keTg4tQ&nmid=73765072


http://images.ricmaniquis.multiply.com/image/44/photos/242/1200x1200/3/7786-1.JPG?et=5cahT6MsObdCWP1pXfbvWw&nmid=71400944

this thread is about building density not population density.
Exatly! People seem to confuse population density and building density. In Paris for example, the area with the highest building density, the QCA (or CBD in English) has a rather low population density, and the areas where the population density is the highest do not have the highest floor density. It's the same in Tokyo where Chuo-ku and Chiyoda-ku have the highest floor density, but low population density (almost only offices).

Here on this map of Central Paris you have the population density at the 1999 census per census tract. The most densely populated arrondissement is the 11th arrondissement. I have also indicated the QCA (Central Business District) and La Défense. As you can see, the QCA (CBD) has a low population density, given that it is mostly made up of offices.

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/1317/densite1az1.png

On this other map of Central Paris you have the building density, expressed as square footage relative to the land area of the census tract ("plus de 4" means the square footage of all the buildings in the census tract is more than 4 times the total land area of that census tract). The highest building density is found in the QCA (CBD), in particular around Opéra. The map is almost the negative of the population density map.

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/3032/densit2bg7.png

Exatly! People seem to confuse population density and building density. In Paris for example, the area with the highest building density, the QCA (or CBD in English) has a rather low population density, and the areas where the population density is the highest do not have the highest floor density. It's the same in Tokyo where Chuo-ku and Chiyoda-ku have the highest floor density, but low population density (almost only offices).

Here on this map of Central Paris you have the population density at the 1999 census per census tract. The most densely populated arrondissement is the 11th arrondissement. I have also indicated the QCA (Central Business District) and La Défense. As you can see, the QCA (CBD) has a low population density, given that it is mostly made up of offices.

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/1317/densite1az1.png

On this other map of Central Paris you have the building density, expressed as square footage relative to the land area of the census tract ("plus de 4" means the square footage of all the buildings in the census tract is more than 4 times the total land area of that census tract). The highest building density is found in the QCA (CBD), in particular around Opéra. The map is almost the negative of the population density map.

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/3032/densit2bg7.png

Have you made this maps by yourself? They're awesome. Where did you get the data?

source data is on the lower middle right hand side

Have you made this maps by yourself? They're awesome. Where did you get the data?
No, I haven't done them myself. I don't remember exactly on which website I found them. They have been in my computer
for a long time already.

Here is a larger map of population density at an even more detailled level than the census tract, showing more suburbs of Paris.
Note that this is population density, and not building density. I don't have a building density map of the Paris suburbs.
Commercial and industrial areas, as well as roads, railways, and airport runways are in light pink. Parks and forest are in
green. Unbuilt land is in white.

SCROLL >>
http://sigr.iau-idf.fr/webapps/visiau/swf/download.php?FileToDownload=/tmp/__4a254e1d_3517_0.png

Barcelona again

http://www.arrakeen.ch/spain2008/445%20%20Barcelona%20-%20CENTRAL.JPG
www.arrakeen.ch

Benidorm, a town of only 60,000 residents in Spain, but with thousands of hotel rooms and holiday apartments:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1393/607760244_8b9f8b75e9_b.jpg
www.flickr.com
http://www.richardfrancis.com/benidorm%20skyline%20(2).jpg
www.richardfrancis.com

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/1017/beni2mw3.jpg

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9752/beninight1od5.jpg

Well this may be a town of 60'000 but in fact there are probably about 3 times more people "living" there in high season :)

Wonder why no one mentions THAT ONE:
http://www.thassos-island.de/tourism/journey/car-italy/images/Venedig_sat.jpg

Venezia had three times the population in the 1950s. It's a shame that mass tourism destroys the city.

It had probably about 5-6 times the pop in the 13th century :)

It had probably about 5-6 times the pop in the 13th century :)

300,000? I've heard that it had 200,000 at it's best times. The area is 7 km², so the density declinde from roughly 25,000 /km² to 8,616 /km². Today, 60,311 people live in the core of Venezia. In 1951, the population was 174,448.

Are there actually any Spaniards left in Benidorm or has it officially been declared a British colony?

Are there actually any Spaniards left in Benidorm or has it officially been declared a British colony?

Wikipedis says that it's 56% Spanish. But I don't know whic year that was. 20% are British, 13% Dutch and 3% German.

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/5910/84522665.jpg
http://bbs.scol.com.cn/UploadFile/2009-1/200912119263987103.jpg
http://bbs.scol.com.cn/UploadFile/2009-1/200912119292476758.jpg
http://bbs.scol.com.cn/UploadFile/2009-1/200912119454954740.jpg

http://bbs.upchengdu.com/UploadFile/2008-9/20089229392521757.jpg
http://bbs.upchengdu.com/UploadFile/2008-9/20089229375039143.jpg

Wikipedis says that it's 56% Spanish. But I don't know whic year that was. 20% are British, 13% Dutch and 3% German.

And during the summer season? :D

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/5910/84522665.jpg]

yep, Shanghai, and that's even with half the centre cropped out (Pudong side). There are 4000 highrises over 400ft, and counting acc. to the Shanghai Urban Planning Bureau, up from 3000 only in 2005. I wonder what the pop. density is nowadays.

City center is around 30,000/km², the same as the densier Paris arrondissements or the densier Manhattan neighborhoods.

yep, Shanghai, and that's even with half the centre cropped out (Pudong side). There are 4000 highrises over 400ft, and counting acc. to the Shanghai Urban Planning Bureau, up from 3000 only in 2005. I wonder what the pop. density is nowadays.

In all the city's I've been to, Shanghai is the most crowded so far. Especially the shopping centres within Nanjing Lu

Sampa is the perfect example of this.

Check out this landing
DPjzkYobOKE

And.....this video not shows central Sao Paulo that is much more dense!

Ok, 4000/km² in the city of Toronto is good at NA-standards, but look at Chicago or SF, they're more dense.

The statiatics don't seem to indicate this. On the contrary I can't wait to visit SF in three weeks!:banana:

To be honest all Torontonians, can we all stop trying to force toronto down peoples throats?? Sure toronto can be a fun city and its thriving, but it doesn't compare on many levels to alot of other cities...its just too small. so stop spamming every thread trying to prove that toronto is 'great'... because its not there yet

To be honest all Torontonians, can we all stop trying to force toronto down peoples throats?? Sure toronto can be a fun city and its thriving, but it doesn't compare on many levels to alot of other cities...its just too small. so stop spamming every thread trying to prove that toronto is 'great'... because its not there yet

I agree 100%, before when someone posted images of Toronto on this thread I had a little laugh inside.

In all the city's I've been to, Shanghai is the most crowded so far. Especially the shopping centres within Nanjing Lu

how about hongkong and tokyo?

london -

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/364/2271905319f337d95bd0b.jpg (http://img54.imageshack.us/i/2271905319f337d95bd0b.jpg/)

Density?

Macau
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/9902/macau20dm.jpg

Paris
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2006/1554358637_80bb7e4296.jpg

Manhattan
http://www.madnessmatrix.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/midtown-manhattan.jpg

Buenos Aires
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/Buenos_Aires_-_Monserrat_-_Avenida_9_de_Julio.jpg








...Tokyo
http://www.cscoutjapan.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/tokyo-summerland-packed-wave-pool.jpg

London

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7586/londonthecityaerialyp4.jpg


http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/2839TheBishopsgateTower_pic7.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/dllb/Above%20London/PA180045-1.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/London_aerial_view_2_(438740788).jpg

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/london_08_29/london1.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3086/2413572486_a892a7585c.jpg http://www.designforlondon.gov.uk/uploads/pics/3.6London_aerial_LARGE_588_430_01.jpg

great pics!!!

Hong Kong

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2432/3778037446_b976c9969b_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3628/3778037168_2faf042877_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3526/3778037980_0808c733e5_b.jpg

source: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrdvd/sets/72157620759970148/

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2426/3566618964_bc096c1e97_b.jpg
source: http://www.flickr.com/photos/aroundtheworls/3566618964/

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3384/3573987079_bb0d83dcce_b.jpg
source: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmrosenfeld/3573987079/

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3197/3677886826_b666cc4a15_b.jpg
source: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaysonyagi/3677886826/

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2456/3728769361_0d2b39f106_b.jpg

source: http://www.flickr.com/photos/geekasia/sets/72157621469505035/

http://static.flickr.com/114/316621968_c4fba2b366_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/145/343707662_d4519c6124_b.jpg

Hyper density in the USA. Shown below is Friendship Village, MD, the densiest census designated place in the USA. It has a density of 32,000/km²:


http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af360/Chrissib1989/USAdensity2.jpg

http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af360/Chrissib1989/USAdensity1.jpg

Beijing density, both the thousands of lowrise hutong, and thousands of highrises:

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/361/20080320ca3598d059ecc50op0.jpg



http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q49/zupermaus/mypix-1.jpg

São Paulo

The pictures show only a part of the city.The sea of buildings spreads over a much bigger area.

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8955/sopaulo27.jpg

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9162/sopaulo60.jpg

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/2110/sopaulo58.jpg

That suspended junction is very cool.

More Hong Kong

Source : http://www.pbase.com/specialteam/beacon_hill

http://www.pbase.com/specialteam/image/115671678/original.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/specialteam/image/115671688/original.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/specialteam/image/115671710/original.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/specialteam/image/115671669/original.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/specialteam/image/115671671/original.jpg

Hehe you beat me to it.

http://www.pbase.com/specialteam/image/115671710/original.jpg

This one says everything.

how about hongkong and tokyo?

Tokyo is also crowded. But comparing HK and Shanghai I just find the later more crowded.

I think people-wise, Shanghai's hot spots are more crowded than HK. This is probably because access to Shanghai from outside regions is easier, and Shanghai itself has 30+ million people in its municipal area which includes countless rural towns and villages.

HK has its 7M people only, plus a limited number of visit entries from mainland China, mostly from the PRD area.

Can someone post pics of Mexico City? Its still one of the largest cities in the world.

Can someone post pics of Mexico City? Its still one of the largest cities in the world.
Yes but not that dense - even though impressive
http://gadgetmaniac.mail2web.com/uploads/2308/18622.jpg
http://www.lanl.gov/news/albums/earth_enviro/Mexico_Soot.jpg

Copenhagen
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/2676/0505035full.jpg
Yeah not "hyper" dense I know :)

( roughly 15.000 per km², )

still impressive, beautiful city!

yes it causes the computers im on to crash sometimes. not this thread but sometimes in the picture forums when theres 100 hi res pics on a page or large pano. i dont have computer myself so i access site mostly through public computers (internet cafe or business center at hotel or something) and these computers arent the best.


toronto doesnt seem to have more density tahn ohter NA cities of comparable size sorry. :)

Toronto is a dense city as Canadian cities go....but no more dense than a few of you guys....jeeze. We're on a site where pics are king and in EVERY thread there are TONS of pics....so what's the big deal? At least there are not too many quoting the pics again and again in the thread

I'd say HK and Sao Paulo are the most dense in pics....especially Sao Paulo....that's insane the number of buildings they have.

I'd say HK and Sao Paulo are the most dense in pics....especially Sao Paulo....that's insane the number of buildings they have.

As I said earlier in previous threads, Sampa has alot of buildings but don't have the height that HK has. It needs taller and more iconic buildings. A place to start would be around Avenida Paulista

As I said earlier in previous threads, Sampa has alot of buildings but don't have the height that HK has. It needs taller and more iconic buildings. A place to start would be around Avenida Paulista

Very true... I think a few supertalls would be great in SP. Is Sampa the nickname of choice?

Very true... I think a few supertalls would be great in SP. Is Sampa the nickname of choice?

Yes its the slang term

wow!! love all the pics that show the density of cities! :okay:
...here are some from Athens

pics are not mine

http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp85/sm987/1-5.jpg

http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp85/sm987/2-4.jpg

http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp85/sm987/5-4.jpg

http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp85/sm987/7-5.jpg

http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp85/sm987/8-4.jpg



http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp85/sm987/11-3.jpg

http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp85/sm987/10-3.jpg

http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp85/sm987/9-2.jpg

http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp85/sm987/12-2.jpg



http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp85/sm987/6-3.jpg

http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp85/sm987/3-5.jpg

http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp85/sm987/4-4.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/16a89kl.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3421/3231688930_1f84263500_o.jpg

^^Taipei looks awesome, but 101 looks like a troll siting there,:lol:

I'd like the see the bridge that troll would fit under ...

http://i42.tinypic.com/16a89kl.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3421/3231688930_1f84263500_o.jpg

That's a whole lot of public housing.

The first pic Küsel posted is actually not Mexico City... The city despite of its 18 million inhabitants does not look that dense...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3206/3091427281_223ddff5e0_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3040/3091425227_9e8529c4d3_b.jpg
:)

^ That looks pretty damn dense to me. :dunno:
Maybe not Hong Kong dense, but still very nice.

http://www.solopassion.com/files/nyc_big_aerial.jpg

Barcelona
Density: 15,936 hab./km² (2008)

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7629/bcnm.jpg

^^
The lower half of that photo show a part of the Sagrada Familia neighbourhood (1.03km²) which according to latest census has a population of 52521.

Love that aerial of Barcelona!

WOW! BARCA... Gorgeous shot.

The first pic Küsel posted is actually not Mexico City... The city despite of its 18 million inhabitants does not look that dense...

:)


I do consider Nezahualcoyotl to be part of Mexico city metropolitan area. And Neza is dense as hell. :cheers:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b339/hasse78/Nezahualcoyotl.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2638/3942126676_80fdea1f8b_b.jpg

nuther shot of Barca:

http://www.geocities.com/ultraflorist/grid.jpg

Shanghai, 4000 highrises over 400ft, and counting. Population density is very uneven - about 9.7 million,
one half of the city, inhabit one tenth of the area, where densities have risen from 166,000 per sq. mile
in 1987 to 442,000 today:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3492/3188872395_1f4ac7e2d5_b.jpg
Kaiser
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3226/2657668982_84c56f238a_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3143/2617975836_293dc8832a_o.jpg

Kowloon in china:
http://zeekeekee.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/kowloon_walled_city_hong_kong_gotham_batman2.jpg

http://allyrose.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/wolf2.jpg

http://artkhammarita.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/kowloonwalledcityalley2.jpg

http://www.doobybrain.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/kowloon-walled-city-exterior-wall-long.jpg

http://www.javi.it/images/abandonados/kowloon-walled-city-vid-i-think.jpg

http://meshula.net/photos/kowloon/alley1.jpg

http://heckeranddecker.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/dharavi-3.jpg

Those pictures of Kowloon seriously remind me of this nightmare I had once.

It's kowloon walled city, doesn't exist anymore. Btw I'm kinda curious, spliff fairy - do you know what area in shanghai that's most dens? would be interesting to check out.

Awesome pics ^^

^the areas around the Nanjing and Huaihai Rds apparently

btw that last pic of 'Kowloon' I think is a slum in India. And those pics of the Walled City are of a notorious slum bulldozed and replaced with a park 17 years ago. Its like the poster is trying to portray HK negatively...?

^^ Yeah, that's Dharavi, it even says so in the link. Very misleading post there.

However, the slum is somewhat fitting in this thread, if not in building, at least in population density. It might as well be the densest human settlement in the entire world, or close to it.

[QUOTE=Hasse78;43564988]I do consider Nezahualcoyotl to be part of Mexico city metropolitan area. And Neza is dense as hell. :cheers:

It's considered part of metro Mexico City but Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl it's a city on itself located in a different state. ;)

Kowloon Walled City was a world by itself within Hong Kong, whose time had passed. Such a lawless community, despite its sometimes darkly romantic atmosphere has no place in a modern civil society.

Hong Kong's own Ap Lei Chau (once also known as Aberdeen Island) is currently the most densely inhabited island, with 66,755/sqkm. Its land area is 1.3 sqkm.

Kowloon Walled City was a world by itself within Hong Kong, whose time had passed. Such a lawless community, despite its sometimes darkly romantic atmosphere has no place in a modern civil society.

Hong Kong's own Ap Lei Chau (once also known as Aberdeen Island) is currently the most densely inhabited island, with 66,755/sqkm. Its land area is 1.3 sqkm.

Ironically, crime rate in KWC is low.

Anyway, those structures are gone. This is KWC today
http://www.visitourchina.com/images/guide/attraction/200811117011238230.jpg

Amsterdam

http://www.amsterdamimage.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1519&g2_serialNumber=2

http://www.ondergrond.tv/de_ondergrond/images/2007/05/31/jordaan_luchtfoto_2.jpg

Tehran

http://www.jamejamonline.ir/Media/images/1388/07/03/X00918325895.jpg

http://www.jamejamonline.ir/Media/images/1388/07/03/X00918325938.jpg

Hong Kong's own Ap Lei Chau (once also known as Aberdeen Island) is currently the most densely inhabited island, with 66,755/sqkm. Its land area is 1.3 sqkm.

There is indeed nothing special about the population density on Ap Lei Chau, except it being an island. One can easily identify other places with comparable or higher population density in Hong Kong.

Mexico City density:

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4884/58863831.jpg (http://img19.imageshack.us/i/58863831.jpg/)
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1024/31687981.jpg (http://img522.imageshack.us/i/31687981.jpg/)
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/1291/76437990.jpg (http://img97.imageshack.us/i/76437990.jpg/)
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/7412/47719969.jpg (http://img121.imageshack.us/i/47719969.jpg/)
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9263/66473094.png (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/66473094.png/)
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4382/35744145.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/i/35744145.jpg/)
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/9216/88554790.jpg (http://img269.imageshack.us/i/88554790.jpg/)

Bat-Yam, Israel:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Bat_Yam_view.jpg

Bat-Yam, Israel
Are those solar collectors on the rooftops?

Are those solar collectors on the rooftops?

Kinda. They are just filled with water which is heated and then in turn heat the water inside these white tanks. These things have always been used in Israel so it's impossible to say how much electricity they save but some talk about 4-5% of Israel's electricity consumption. In modern houses these tanks are put inside the apartments for easier access and more aesthetic look.
I have never understood why there are frequently used only in Israel. My father works at the American embassy and people who come from places with tons of sun (Texas, California...) have no idea what these things are.

There is indeed nothing special about the population density on Ap Lei Chau, except it being an island. One can easily identify other places with comparable or higher population density in Hong Kong.

We're talking about the population density of the island and it's dense for such a small island.

Ap Lei Chau
From b2diecast
http://www.pbase.com/b2diecast

http://www.pbase.com/b2diecast/image/17586928/large.jpg

jakarta, indonesia
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http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/823/indo5621.jpg
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I think downtown and midtown Manhattan still wins out in "hyper-building density". It's just the size, height, and girth of the buildings closely packed together. Downtown Hong Kong comes close in vertical density, but many of the buildings are still so thin. It's like eating really thin french fries--you'd have to eat hundreds of them to get full, when a few thick potato fries would quickly fill you up.

^if you were to measure on that way, Tokyo would come out tops. Its got the largest buildings by average floorspace,
but due to the earthquake zone the strict height restrictions limit them to 500-700ft - any other area such as HK, Shanghai or NYC
and they would mostly be supertalls, twice the hight and half the girth:

http://building-pc.cocolog-nifty.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/10/03/tokyosiodome4.jpg

for example the Ropponggi Hills tower has almost the same floorspace as the Sears Tower, but is a fraction of the height:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/Roppongi_Hills_Mori_Tower_from_Tokyo_Tower_Day.jpg/450px-Roppongi_Hills_Mori_Tower_from_Tokyo_Tower_Day.jpg

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/157/b35dc3c3pa2.jpg

and in terms of infill between the towers, its also hyper dense:

http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/bluestylecom/imgs/0/d/0dfc3579.jpg


a sea of midrises:

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/5570/bfea778bfz7.jpg

SCROLL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

http://chiri.xrea.jp/cgi-bin/img-box/img20060702190812.jpg

Yep...Tokyo would top NYC in a heartbeat....always has always will I suspect. NYC is actually sixth in population, so I figure most of the top five would be more dense. I know Seoul and Tokyo are and I suspect Mexico city is as well.

I don't think you can really single out a percentage of NYC since other cities aren't divided like that.

^if you were to measure on that way, Tokyo would come out tops. Its got the largest buildings by average floorspace,
but due to the earthquake zone the strict height restrictions limit them to 500-700ft - any other area such as HK, Shanghai or NYC
and they would mostly be supertalls, twice the hight and half the girth:



Nice pictures, thanks! :cheers:

But you could see that a square mile in Midtown Manhattan has far more floor space than any square mile you could find in Tokyo. Also, a square kilometer of Downtown Manhattan might have more floorspace than any square km in Tokyo. I would also guess that it also beats whatever square km/mi there is in Hong Kong (those thin tall buildings just do not add up quite as much).

Let's call it "Sky Density"!

I think it would be interesting if we could find the total floor space of any given square mile of a city, to compare against other cities. Those statistical density figures would rock, don't ya agree?!!! :banana:

Nope you are dead wrong on this one. The density of Tokyo has long been the leader in ANY city in the world. If you knew anything about Tokyo, you'd know their apartments are tinier than anything in NY and there are many hundreds more living per sq. mile than in NY.

I understand what you are thinking but the numbers don't add up regardless of height of the buildings. Take a look at this page and you'll see the density numbers in a chart a few paragraphs down the page. No mention of NYC as a comparison, but they do list four other cities. I'd say the population density of NYC is probably 5th or 6th in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Tokyo_Area

more pix:

Hong Kong - (I hazard to say the taller, the thinner the building, the more floorspace)


http://img89.exs.cx/img89/4600/hongkongbig.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/specialteam/image/115671678/original.jpg


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/195/440286102_ee62a4e6c0_b.jpg


cluster's edge:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/238/447364164_aee4d49c49_b.jpg



Shanghai - 4000 highrises over 400ft and counting.

For scale the tv tower on the river bend top right is 1535ft high. The 'rowhomes' beneath the towers are midrise blocks, whilst the brown earth areas are 3 storey old housing.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3492/3188872395_1f4ac7e2d5_b.jpg

Since this pic was taken in 2004 over 1000 highrises have been added:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3143/2617975836_293dc8832a_o.jpg

for scale the pyramid is 930ft
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/6756/20070826ace849a9b42b5d9va3.jpg

Puxi side
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3226/2657668982_84c56f238a_b.jpg

Pudong side
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4944/24143722b9cbe1056f1c3f3xn4.jpg

Yeah, nice pictures once again although those pic's have been recycled a thousand times on other threads! :cheers:

What I mean by "Sky Density" is that there is the most floor space per square mile or km, simple as that.

It seems that the forums on the internet in general consist of 1/3 "neutral" speakers, 1/3 "attackers" and 1/3 "defenders". I do not want to have to try to defend myself here, but here goes.. I'll just have to say it again here:

The square mile of Midtown Manhattan probably has more floor space than any other square mile in the world, including whatever you could find in Hong Kong and especially Tokyo.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nYyFoznkyFY/R_slv9T-08I/AAAAAAAABcA/YYg3uJRea-U/s400/Midtown_Manhattan_Oct_2007.jpg

Source: http://www.world-cities.net/2008_04_01_archive.html

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/53/Queensborough_Bridge_and_Midtown_Manhattan.jpg

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Queensborough_Bridge_and_Midtown_Manhattan.jpg

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4051/small4xmto3.jpg
From thread: "Does Chicago have any areas with Manhattan type density?" http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=559839

The dense area of Midtown is actually more like 2 square miles, so it's difficult to find the exact square mile that is the most dense. I would leave Empire State building out of the square mile, but definitely inlcude Times Square especially with the new buildings. 5th Avenue from 38th St all the way to Rockefeller Center or perhaps 56th Street is perhaps the most impressive in Midtown. There are well over 100 500+ foot buildings (not thin ones, mind you) in Midtown alone.

According to Mori Building's website, Tokyo's densest ward is Chiyoda. Chiyoda is 11.64 km² in area and had a daytime population of 949,900 in 1995; thus, Chiyoda's daytime population density was 81,610 people/km² in 1995.

The website doesn't provide daytime populations for Manhattan's districts, unfortunately, but it does provide the 1990 daytime and nighttime populations for Manhattan as a whole. Manhattan's daytime population swelled to 3,389,300 from a nighttime population of 1,487,536 in 1990; thus, the net increase was 1,901,664. Let's assume that all of this net increase went straight to Midtown and Lower Manhattan, and that people living in other Manhattan districts didn't commute to Midtown and Lower Manhattan (VERY unlikely).

According to Mori Building's website, Midtown is 4.24 km² in area and Lower Manhattan is 4.46 km² in area. If we split the net increase between the two districts according to area, Midtown's population would have swelled to 970,294 during the daytime; thus, Midtown's daytime population density was 228,843 people/km² in 1990. Lower Manhattan's population would have swelled to 1,000,242 during the daytime; thus, Lower Manhattan's daytime population was 224,270 people/km² in 1990.

If we adjust these results to 2003 population figures, then:

Chiyoda: 87,638/km² (226,982/mi²)
Midtown: 240,729/km² (623,486/mi²)
Lower Manhattan: 235,918/km² (611,025/mi²)
As mentioned above, there is probably a net decrease in the population of upper Manhattan during the daytime as residents commute within Manhattan to the CBD's. In addition, the CDN defines Lower Manhattan as being more than just the Financial District, so daytime population densities for Midtown and the Financial District alone could be as high as 473,751/km² and 474,922/km² respectively!

Chiyoda: 87,638/km² (226,982/mi²)
Midtown: 240,729-473,751/km² (623,486-1,227,009/mi²)
Financial District: 235,918-474,922/km² (611,025-1,230,043/mi²)
Therefore, Midtown Manhattan could have a daytime population density more than five times greater than that of Chiyoda, which itself is by far the most densely populated ward in Tokyo. If this result is hard to believe, remember that the WTC held over 50,000 people on 16 acres for a population density of 772,201/km².

http://www.mid-tokyo.com/04_e/backdata_01.html

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=3269707&postcount=7

do you really think that beats this level of density?

http://img89.exs.cx/img89/4600/hongkongbig.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3143/2617975836_293dc8832a_o.jpg

I agree that New York is dense but it's Manhattan. The outer boroughs doesn't have much high-rises.

HK on the other hand has high-rises almost everywhere.

do you really think that beats this level of density?

http://img89.exs.cx/img89/4600/hongkongbig.jpg

It's hard to tell with central Hong Kong.. the streets certainly are narrower than the wide avenues of Manhattan, but the single square mile right in the middle of Midtown probably has more floor space than the square mile of central HK.

I do see how most of the buildings in central HK are quite tall, averaging around 300 feet or so, but they're just slim. That's why it looks like there are so many buildings, but if they were thick like Midtown, then there would be so few.

The "Hyper Building Density" of Shanghai still does not come close to Midtown or central HK. The buildings are still spread out and there are really short buildings around the tall ones. I think China is carefully planning the layout of Shanghai so there would be some room for future super-talls.

Well I can see we're wasting our breath here. No matter what the numbers state, this one's going to swear NYC/Manhattan has the title....whatever floats your boat.

Just for the record this thread ain't about floor space. You missed the whole point of the entire discussion, but you go girl!

Well I can see we're wasting our breath here. No matter what the numbers state, this one's going to swear NYC/Manhattan has the title....whatever floats your boat.

Just for the record this thread ain't about floor space. You missed the whole point of the entire discussion, but you go girl!

Take it easy... I just think Manhattan still wins the "Hyper Building Density" for a selected square mile.. if you're so obsessed with how tall a single skyscraper is, I'm equally obsessed with how much vertical floor space a single square mile can have. It definitely floats my boat, so relax! Have a beer! :lol: :cheers:


To quote a guy from the 2nd page of this thread:

this thread is about building density not population density.

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Only one of the projects (2 towers) is unlikely to be built, all others should be completed within 2015, maybe a couple of them will be delayed a few more years though. I've cut the CBD core here, the area is just around 0.8km2, shorter than Lujiazui and similar size as Manhattan's FiDi. The white line spans 1000m only.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others2/JFB.png

This is a brief list of the towers there:

1) 463m: ASE Center 1. Started digging last month.
2) 431m: CQ IFC. Foundation/On hold for years as it has been revised upwards for 10+ times. May be revised even higher.
3) 430m (380m without the spire): Financial Street 1. Recently approved, demolition works on going.
4) 331m: Global Financial District. Final height unclear. Digging the hole now.
5) 330m: Lanko International Tower. Rising, around the 20th floor now.
6) 320m: Hongyadong Phase 2. Under design.
7) 318m: Yingli Tower. Foundation works.
8) 308m: Yuzhou Hotel. On hold for years, purchased by a new developer two months ago and likely to be redesigned (probably taller they say).
9) 300m+: Newport Tower 1. Only a proposal, unlikely to be built.
10) 300m: Poly Tower. Rising, around the 15th floor now.
11) 293m (likely to be revised to 320m~): ASE Center 2. Started digging last month.
12) 290m~ (240m without the spire): Financial Street 2. Recently approved, demolition works on going.
13) 283m: WTCC. Completed.
14) 250m: Financial Street 3. Recently approved, demolition works on going.
15) 244m: Xinhua International Building. Rising, around the 15th floor now.
16) 235m: ASE Center 3. Approved.
17) 228m: NYNY Tower. Completed
18) 220m: Financial Street 4. Foundation works.
19) 220m~ (200m without the spire): Financial Street 5. Recently approved, demolition works on going.
20) 210m: Financial Street 5. Recently approved, demolition works on going.
21) 202m: ASE Center 4: Rising, currently around the 5th floor.
22) 200m+: Newport Tower 2. Only a proposal, unlikely to be built.
23) 200m~: Financial Street 6. Recently approved, demolition works on going.
24) 193m: ASE Center 5: Topped out.
[...]

You can check the location here, but the map is very outdated as many heights have been revised, and I forgot including the Lanko Intl Tower (which is next to Financial Street). IMO this district is becoming world's densest skyline by far.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg64/z0rgggg/others/ChongqingCBD.jpg

Wowwww..... at the rate Chongqing is growing, even Dubai would have a hard time LOL! :lol:

Exatly! People seem to confuse population density and building density. In Paris for example, the area with the highest building density, the QCA (or CBD in English) has a rather low population density, and the areas where the population density is the highest do not have the highest floor density. It's the same in Tokyo where Chuo-ku and Chiyoda-ku have the highest floor density, but low population density (almost only offices).

Here on this map of Central Paris you have the population density at the 1999 census per census tract. The most densely populated arrondissement is the 11th arrondissement. I have also indicated the QCA (Central Business District) and La Défense. As you can see, the QCA (CBD) has a low population density, given that it is mostly made up of offices.

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/1317/densite1az1.png

On this other map of Central Paris you have the building density, expressed as square footage relative to the land area of the census tract ("plus de 4" means the square footage of all the buildings in the census tract is more than 4 times the total land area of that census tract). The highest building density is found in the QCA (CBD), in particular around Opéra. The map is almost the negative of the population density map.

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/3032/densit2bg7.png

This is so awesome, with both population density and building square-foot density maps!

I wish there would be the same maps for Manhattan, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Sao Paulo, etc.. so we could compare!

Sampa!

http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae43/fakroef/3761466825_a2de240f06_b.jpg

Cool photo!

If you are talking about New York City Proper, then it isnt even the most dense city in the US. That would be surprisingly Los Angeles. But, if you are talking about JUST manhattan, then it is close to the most dense areas in the world. Of course, many many asian cities, if isolated to a similar specific area within a city, would win out.

American cities are just not that dense.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2296/2499275902_177e66bf2f_b.jpg

What I find so facinating about Hong Kong and many Asian cities is all the skyscrapers stand alone and aren't bunched up against each other like New York. In this photo above, you can see all four sides of most skyscrapers from street level to the roof.

It's very nice spacing. Vancouver buildings are also very nicely spaced.

Buenos Aires have density too! 14 millon people and the city has over 3000 km2 and still is this:
http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy53/Betovelez/BUENOS_AIRES_AEREA1-1.jpg

http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy53/Betovelez/Buenos_Aires_-_Monserrat_-_Avenida_.jpg

http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy53/Betovelez/buenos.jpg

http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy53/Betovelez/buenos20aires6fz.jpg

BA reminds me of Paris and Sampa combined. The only thing missing is a supertall

Density in the medivel cit of Ghent, Belgium:
http://www.gentblogt.be/wp-content/luchtfoto_dekeyser.jpg

Belgian capital: Brussels
http://www.ilotsacre.be/images/Bruxelles-Brussels.JPG
http://www.brusselnieuws.be/artikels/cultuur/tentoonstelling-3-cities-zoomt-in-op-vertekend-stadsbeeld/images/imageinnercontentproxy.2009-01-14.8056417440/pa_thumb/imagex294x220.jpeg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1068/823635729_b28a1e82a7.jpg?v=0
http://www.istratov.be/blog/images/20070830200235_img_27528.jpg

Pretty dense for a city 1.2 million inhabitants...

according to wikipedia, most of he densist cities (by population density) are in india

according to wikipedia, most of he densist cities (by population density) are in india


That's probebly true because I can't remember another country where 5 people have to share les than 10sq meters.:ohno:

That's probebly true because I can't remember another country where 5 people have to share les than 10sq meters.:ohno:

And who told you that???

If you are talking about New York City Proper, then it isnt even the most dense city in the US. That would be surprisingly Los Angeles. But, if you are talking about JUST manhattan, then it is close to the most dense areas in the world. Of course, many many asian cities, if isolated to a similar specific area within a city, would win out.

American cities are just not that dense.

?? New York City proper is 10,600 per sqKM. Manhattan is 27,400 per sqKM. Los Angeles is 3,200 per sqKM.

Even my city of Chicago is 4,900 per sqKM, and San Francisco is 6,700 per sqKM.

I think you're talking about the average density of the entire urban/metro area. In that case I believe Los Angeles has the highest average density. The urban area is sitting in a large bowl penned in by the mountains on the north/east and the ocean to the west/south.

New York on the other hand has a lot of open room to spread out. So the outlying areas are fairly low density. It's also much more wooded which tends to lessen density if developers are trying to save trees and natural areas to increase property values.

And who told you that???

I know that's not true for al lot of people. But you have to admit that lots of people live in shanty towns or extreem small appartments...

what about Buenos Aires ??, not a lot of high rises but yes hyper building density:
http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss296/maxem/pm01-8.jpg
http://edant.clarin.com/suplementos/viajes/2006/11/05/fotos/f019dh01.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7773/44103056kv1.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7857/14xb7.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9576/grfico1tj7.jpg
http://digilander.libero.it/puertosur/immagini/vista-aerea-bsas.jpg
http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad185/nahuelponcedeleon/Aereas%20Carlos/heli79.jpg
http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad185/nahuelponcedeleon/Aereas%20Carlos/heli81.jpg

Cities like Toronto? Cmon...I appreciate people boosting their own city, but hyper-density? No way.

Cities like Toronto? Cmon...I appreciate people boosting their own city, but hyper-density? No way.
Unbelievable that these threads degenerate into attacks on people's viewpoint and city vs. city commentary. One guy posts a few pics of Toronto and everyone jumps down his throat. No one is saying that Toronto is as "hyper-dense" as Hong Kong or Shanghai or whatever in terms of population density and building density but throughout this whole thread people have been posting very glamourous pics of each city to suit their opinion. If you didn't know where this picture was from (sorry, I only have the link) you would say it's super to hyper-demse. The fact is this...Toronto's metro area is one of the densest in NA in terms of population and building density, both core and surrounding areas. Mississauga alone has an equivalent downtown building density to some US cities 3 times its size. I didn't come on here to defend Toronto or promote it but everyone needs to unclench their sphyncter and allow people to make their point without fear of being chastised.

http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4031/4297661375_6ea2644c56_o.jpg&imgrefurl=http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php%3Fp%3D4664097&h=536&w=800&sz=236&tbnid=iIwdelD70SwVIM:&tbnh=96&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpictures%2Bof%2Bbuilding%2Bdensity%2Btoronto&hl=en&usg=__ot3BEbyqiMS-N5wLnBz8eSZaZyc=&sa=X&ei=HbhQTIKEK4WmnQe9kMyPBw&ved=0CBwQ9QEwAg

The old city of Yangzhou seems very interesting. Is there a chance he could survive the teeth of time and perhaps find a new use and modern and more to be a better sort of slum? Its heritage as it would really need to be rescued in China.

Unbelievable that these threads degenerate into attacks on people's viewpoint and city vs. city commentary. One guy posts a few pics of Toronto and everyone jumps down his throat.
It's just an example because it was the first picture I saw that I was like "ohh, cmon!". No city in NA has "hyper" density...so just keep them off this thread, period.

This pic is stunning of BA

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7857/14xb7.jpg


...and this too

http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad185/nahuelponcedeleon/Aereas%20Carlos/heli79.jpg

It's just an example because it was the first picture I saw that I was like "ohh, cmon!". No city in NA has "hyper" density...so just keep them off this thread, period.Careful there Mr. 'Know It All', Mexico City is in NA. There are several cities in NA that are very dense.....more dense than you.

Careful there Mr. 'Know It All', Mexico City is in NA. There are several cities in NA that are very dense.....more dense than you.

If by "Mr Know it All" you mean I've been to nearly every major city in North America (and been to a large number of cities in South America, Europe, and Asia), then I guess I'll take that as a compliment. I think I know what I'm talking about. I assume by "as dense as me" you aren't talking about my personality, but rather Chicago. Did I mention Chicago anywhere in my posts on this thread? Did I insinuate that Chicago was better than these cities, or more dense? No. Just stop.

Yea, have you been to Mexico City? I have, as well as Sao Paulo and Buenos Aires (both of which I'd consider VASTLY more dense than MC). Sure some of the outlying villas are somewhat dense...but overall MC is not a hyper dense city. Large? Yes. Sprawling? Yes. Hyper Dense? Not really. According to stats, MC is no more dense than San Francisco.

I will not bite the flame-bait here, not at all.

What amazes me is that people see objective comments about density (or lack thereof) as personal insults, and that is sad.

I don't like dense cities, in the transportation subforum I'm a vocal support of car mobility and suburbs, still I think some people get technical comments too personal. If I were to whine or take pity every single time a forumite comes to criticize "car-based suburbs" and distillate the regular bashing comments, I'd be mad and out of SSC as from now.

Finally, if someone starts a thread, unless it is a moderator-approved sticky or official thread in an organized sub-forum, someone doesn't have the right to claim ownership of the thread and how it evolves.

So let's just chill out and let people post their pictures of places they think are hyper-dense, and those who post it, be prepared to take comments on the implications of your pictures.

:)

If by "Mr Know it All" you mean I've been to nearly every major city in North America (and been to a large number of cities in South America, Europe, and Asia), then I guess I'll take that as a compliment. I think I know what I'm talking about. I assume by "as dense as me" you aren't talking about my personality, but rather Chicago. Did I mention Chicago anywhere in my posts on this thread? Did I insinuate that Chicago was better than these cities, or more dense? No. Just stop.

Yea, have you been to Mexico City? I have, as well as Sao Paulo and Buenos Aires (both of which I'd consider VASTLY more dense than MC). Sure some of the outlying villas are somewhat dense...but overall MC is not a hyper dense city. Large? Yes. Sprawling? Yes. Hyper Dense? Not really. According to stats, MC is no more dense than San Francisco.


Yep, been to MC a couple of times. Since I am pretty sure 'hyper' dense is a made up term that has no real value [as in the exact density required to be hyper], this thread is really objective. Can't comment on your density as a person since I don't know you, I was talking about Chicago.

I just hate to see the tone put forth telling someone not to post North American cities in a thread. You don't have the right to tell anyone anything when it comes to posting. Some folks consider their city very dense. Maybe they haven't been to MC or Sao Paolo....either way it really doesn't matter, no rules were stated at the beginning of the thread unless I missed something.

Now if there's a 'hyper dense' standard that I may have missed somewhere along the way, please enlighten me. If there's a list of such cities that EVERYONE in the know considers to fall into that category, I'll gladly say I stand corrected. I've not seen one but then I haven't seen everything.

I just hate to see the tone put forth telling someone not to post North American cities in a thread. You don't have the right to tell anyone anything when it comes to posting. Some folks consider their city very dense. Maybe they haven't been to MC or Sao Paolo....either way it really doesn't matter, no rules were stated at the beginning of the thread unless I missed something.
Ok, well...if someone from Pudunk Indiana went to Indianapolis they'd think the city is "hyper dense". It's all relative. Where, then, is the boundary? At what point do we say "this is ridiculous, that city is not hyper dense". Some folks consider their city very dense, but that doesn't make it so. NYC really is the only city that comes close to anything resembling hyper density, and at that it's not even at competition with other international cities.

So, yes, I think I can post telling people not to post NA cities because, well, they aren't dense...just look at the numbers. But sure, if you want to go ahead and post ridiculous examples, I guess be my guest.

edit ...mistake....

Where, then, is the boundary? At what point do we say "this is ridiculous, that city is not hyper dense".

I was hoping you'd straighten that out since you seem to be very insistent on what can be posted here or not. So what is Hyper Dense exactly...give us numbers!


On the last response, weren't we discussing building density not population?

I was hoping you'd straighten that out since you seem to be very insistent on what can be posted here or not. So what is Hyper Dense exactly...give us numbers!
Ughhhhh, stop trolling. You are just arguing for the sake or arguing. I don't think for one minute that you actually think cities like Toronto are hyper dense...you are just angry for some reason because I actually went and said it.

On the last response, weren't we discussing building density not population?
Yes we were. Toronto for example is ~10,000/sq mile. Hell, Chicago is more than that, and I certainly don't consider Chicago "hyper dense".

Compare 10k/sq mile to Mumbai's 60k/sq mile. OK there, you have your numbers, anything below 60k/sq mile is not hyper dense. Happy?

OK I give up, be the Density Nazi....I'll click ignore and we're done.

OK I give up, be the Density Nazi....I'll click ignore and we're done.

Ok, maybe let's switch it up. I say that certain cities cannot be named here because they, in my mind, are nowhere near HYPER dense. Let me ask you, why would you consider a city like Toronto (hell, let's take it a step further, Mexico City) to be hyper dense, considering the density of cities like Mumbai and Manila? Because you are from rural texas, that makes Toronto super dense? Yes, Toronto is dense compared to your Podunk town, but it is not HYPER dense. Key word: HYPER.

Shanghai, 4000 highrises over 400ft, and counting.


Then maybe you can explain to me why the statistis bureau states 847 buildings with over 30 floors, if you say it is over 4,000 of over 400 ft. :lol::lol::lol: