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DrT
June 10th, 2009, 03:21 AM
I know that we had a thread on this, but I'll start another.

Guys, post your pics of the construction and let's talk. Basalt strips, Beech trees, parking issues, etc.

This is the link with the city site.
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/currentplanning/granvilleredesign/

Photographers help!

Yellow Fever
June 15th, 2009, 04:29 AM
I was planning to take some pics for this thread today, but when I get to downtown I totally forgot about it. :(

Allen2
June 15th, 2009, 09:40 PM
I didn't relize that we didn't have a thread for Granville Mall Redesign...

DrT
June 16th, 2009, 04:56 PM
South of Nelson Street, traffic patterns would remain unchanged. Sidewalks would be widened by the width of the existing parking lane to provide a sidewalk that can be used to accommodate parked vehicles between street trees.

Seems to defeat the purpose of a sidewalk to have cars parked on it, blocking the way, but I guess the trees are already in the way for pedestrians.

Do those dark gray basalt strips on the new sidewalk outline the parking zones, or are they entirely decorative?

DrT
June 16th, 2009, 05:03 PM
This shows how the parking would be utilized between the trees and only during the day. (two drawings at at bottom right)
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/currentplanning/granvilleredesign/08jan23display/display07.pdf

Spoolmak
June 17th, 2009, 12:46 AM
I don't think they should replant trees... but I guess that wouldn't fly since this is VANCOUVER were talkin' about, not Toronto.

Daguy
June 17th, 2009, 11:43 PM
I don't think they should replant trees... but I guess that wouldn't fly since this is VANCOUVER were talkin' about, not Toronto.

What's bad about replanting trees?

vanboy2
June 20th, 2009, 06:50 AM
ok I might sound silly here since I live in dt almost 20 years.Where is granville mall?Is it the one at the Bay?:hammer:

Yellow Fever
June 20th, 2009, 07:36 AM
^^ Lets forget about the word 'mall', just granville street.

vanboy2
June 20th, 2009, 08:27 AM
^^ Lets forget about the word 'mall', just granville street.

ok so that mean no such thing granville 's mall?because I never heard that term before.

Vince
June 20th, 2009, 08:37 AM
ok so that mean no such thing granville 's mall?because I never heard that term before.

The definition of a mall (not shopping mall) is a street mainly for foot traffic or pedestrian use. Part of Granville street serves that purpose, hence Granville mall.

vanboy2
June 20th, 2009, 10:09 PM
The definition of a mall (not shopping mall) is a street mainly for foot traffic or pedestrian use. Part of Granville street serves that purpose, hence Granville mall.

so by your definition of ''mall'',why people never call Robson mall?just curious.

raggedy13
June 20th, 2009, 11:34 PM
^Because Robson is not closed to vehicular traffic. Granville Street (or at least part of it) is closed off to vehicles, aside from public transit. Have you heard of a "pedestrian mall" before? Granville isn't a true pedestrian mall since buses run on it so you can't just walk down the middle of the street but it is still referred to as a mall. Vancouver doesn't really have any true pedestrian malls so it is understandable that you're not so familiar with the term.

This link may help to clarify things for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedestrian_street

vanboy2
June 21st, 2009, 01:27 AM
thanks for verified the term.

spongeg
June 21st, 2009, 10:04 PM
they always called that small stretch the "granville mall" up until the mid 90's most people called robson street "robson strasse" as it was the german part of the city and before all the fashion type places moved in like the gap, guess etc it was mostly smaller stores and cafes than wham the 90's hit and it changed

I have an old map (from 1989) somewhere that shows it as "robson strasse" i wonder if i can find it

Yellow Fever
June 22nd, 2009, 02:38 AM
Stay turned, I took lots of photos today..

DrT
June 22nd, 2009, 03:44 AM
Stay turned, I took lots of photos today..

:banana:

DrT
June 22nd, 2009, 03:56 AM
they always called that small stretch the "granville mall" up until the mid 90's most people called robson street "robson strasse" as it was the german part of the city and before all the fashion type places moved in like the gap, guess etc it was mostly smaller stores and cafes than wham the 90's hit and it changed

I have an old map (from 1989) somewhere that shows it as "robson strasse" i wonder if i can find it

That is very cool. Did not know that. Here is a snipet confirming your memory.

Robson Street: Named after John Robson who was the Premier of BC from 1889-1892. It began its commercial history early on with retail shops and restaurants springing up in 1985.

It also became known as Robsonstrasse which was “a reflection of the European shopkeepers who operated the many small delicatessens, patisseries, and chic boutiques that populated the street.” ]

vanboy2
June 22nd, 2009, 04:32 AM
new sidewalk on Granville street

http://i43.tinypic.com/r8e8fa.jpg

the oldest xxx store on Granville st ,lol I been told

http://i41.tinypic.com/154k74i.jpg

a lot of old shops has been driven out due to increased the rent after revitalized 's project

http://i43.tinypic.com/3498f2a.jpg

vanboy2
June 22nd, 2009, 04:35 AM
a piece of history on Granville street

http://i42.tinypic.com/nch6w4.jpg

vanboy2
June 22nd, 2009, 04:44 AM
few old hotel on Granville,its look quite nice like a boutique hotel

Royal hotel

http://i39.tinypic.com/27y0b5f.jpg

Yale hotel ,right the end of Granville bridge


http://i40.tinypic.com/2lxcjh1.jpg

vanboy2
June 22nd, 2009, 04:50 AM
Granville bridge looking towards downtown

http://i40.tinypic.com/14wu8e8.jpg



http://i39.tinypic.com/1zp65jb.jpg


all pics above taken by me a week ago

deasine
June 22nd, 2009, 09:23 PM
Thanks for the photos. As of right now, the redevelopment of Granville St is a little underwhelming to me. I think the renderings were a little too nice. Then again, I'll save my final comments when the thing is fully completed.

Personally, I think trees would help with the finished look. I like the trees; not many do.

Forgot to post this... it's on SSP a while ago by jlousa, SSP moderator and Vancouver-developments-insider.

Sorta related, figured some people might be interested. Courtesy of DVBIA

GRANVILLE SHOWCASE
July 25, 2009

On Saturday July 25th, Granville Street downtown will be hosting GRANVILLE SHOWCASE, a premier, live entertainment event. An anticipated 20,000 people from Metro Vancouver will flock to Granville Street to participate in the final Canada Line supported celebration prior to the grand opening of the new line. This will be a spectacular affair showcasing the excitement of Granville Street's many entertainments.

GRANVILLE SHOWCASE will feature fashion shows, live music, performances (bands, dance, martial arts, flair bartending) on the main stage located in the newly redesigned 700 block of Granville Street.

Yellow Fever
June 23rd, 2009, 04:51 AM
Nice pics, Vanboy. Now, its my turn....


http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq248/le_thieu/jimmysawarddanielsbdaygoldenebri-11.jpg


http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq248/le_thieu/jimmysawarddanielsbdaygoldenebri-12.jpg


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http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq248/le_thieu/jimmysawarddanielsbdaygoldenebri-30.jpg

http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq248/le_thieu/jimmysawarddanielsbdaygoldenebri-31.jpg

vanboy2
June 23rd, 2009, 06:22 AM
I am just curious here, those merchants who suffer the loss of sales due to construction, can they sue the city like those on Cambie sue the Canada line?it had been drag on like forever,I myself stop shopping and hang out there since they started.

Huhu
June 23rd, 2009, 06:27 AM
^^ There's much less cause, since this is directly for their benefit.

DrT
June 24th, 2009, 02:56 AM
Wow, YF's photour is a treat!
Looks like nearly the entire length of Granville is being done simultaneously.
A bit apocalyptic looking to see Granville with no people.




http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq248/le_thieu/jimmysawarddanielsbdaygoldenebri-22.jpg
^^
Don't worry, these red/orange wood strips are only placeholders for the dark gray/black basalt stone strips.

DrT
June 24th, 2009, 03:14 AM
The new Granville is to be called "The Great White Way".

Check out the the cool vertical strip lighting:
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/currentplanning/granvilleredesign/08jan23display/display24.pdf

DrT
June 24th, 2009, 03:27 AM
Check it out (from City of Vancouver site):

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5632/newgranvillest.jpg (http://img8.imageshack.us/i/newgranvillest.jpg/)

DrT
June 24th, 2009, 03:36 AM
"Bring Back The Great White Way!"

A bit of history (from Jazz Vancouver web site):

In the years following the Second World War, Vancouver enjoyed a new economic affluence that manifested visually in a dazzling display of neon signs. With over 18 000 signs on display in the late 1950s, reports were made that there was "more neon in Vancouver than anywhere in the world except for Shanghai, China" (Macdonald 51). Tourists came in droves to gape at the city's neon hub, Granville Street's Theatre Row, which became known as "The Great White Way" (Macdonald 48). However, by the late 1960s, neon had fallen out of fashion and out of favor. Bylaws imposing limits on signage were enacted and a vast number of signs were removed.

Spoolmak
June 24th, 2009, 03:58 AM
What's bad about replanting trees?

Nothing it will just look more urban with big neon lights and wide bustling sidewalks. It could almost look something like Sunset BLVD or Hollywood BLVD, minus the palms. But at least those tower so they're not in the way.

Yellow Fever
June 24th, 2009, 04:09 AM
I don't mind some small trees, like the cherry blossom..

Allen2
June 24th, 2009, 04:20 PM
Thanks for all the photo updates!

Spoolmak
June 25th, 2009, 02:51 AM
I don't mind some small trees, like the cherry blossom..

Cherry blossoms in Vancouver are downright jaw-droppingly beautiful. Some trees aren't bad at all! But the renderings show so many trees so close together that the sidewalks will get no sunlight, and will block out the lighting of signs and just downright flashyness. Every city needs at least one street like that. Now we know that since hundreds of trees will be installed, it will throw out the opportunity of becoming somewhat like a Yonge street.

I dunno, maybe it's just me but some streets are better without trees, and Granville is surely one of them.

vanboy2
June 25th, 2009, 04:32 AM
well look at Robson street,from Burrard towards denman.very few trees but still look ok.yeah you are right,despite how much I like trees,some street need trees free .

Tri-City Guy
June 26th, 2009, 10:09 AM
Granville Street and Mall is looking alright. In a way I find it oddly appealing with no trees even though that goes against my general preference. Its strangely nice stark as I don't know if it has the potential to ever be a lovely tree lined affair. Glaring glitz might be more appropriate???

Anyway, at least its no longer a total embarrassment for 2010. God, remember Granville Mall back in the early 90s. I nicknamed it Phlegm Mall. That word pretty well summed it up.

Spoolmak
June 27th, 2009, 03:11 AM
It even looks like Brooklyn or uptown manhattan. I really hope they won't put trees up

Huhu
June 28th, 2009, 07:25 AM
Honestly I still prefer to have the odd tree. Maybe not too close together, but spaced out, it would look okay and you can string lights on them during the holidays.

Yellow Fever
June 28th, 2009, 07:59 AM
I'd prefer to have some small trees, but the new mall will look great with or without trees.

metemi
July 4th, 2009, 06:16 AM
Granville by night,love the neon lights.

http://i42.tinypic.com/35ap62q.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/2jd2hzn.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/2dszsh.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/2s7auzo.jpg

all pics by me taken few months ago.

spongeg
July 5th, 2009, 12:03 AM
i kinda miss the trees but something toll and less branchy would be ok

Spoolmak
July 6th, 2009, 08:50 AM
So a tall Cali-type palm tree? I agree. But that won't happen. So I still sit at no trees:)

Allen2
July 6th, 2009, 04:27 PM
^ hey Vanboy, how did you get your name changed....does that cost you anything?


by raggedy13 @ SSP

Some pics I took last night:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3553/3683976826_02620b73e0_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2516/3683978656_e88e7cc7fd_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2498/3683169117_b6d8cf2e7e_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2498/3683170581_732edc72b8_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2601/3683172057_44dbfe30b2_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2451/3683173265_d7aa2a8f67_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2636/3683987022_766db4b72c_b.jpg

The street should look great with all those light poles running down it. I just hope all the white lights don't washout the colourful neon.

vanboy2
July 6th, 2009, 07:30 PM
I still stand for "absolutely no trees " please,you see with all neon signs its better nothing to obstruct them.NO TREES.Can you imagine at Christmas with those xmax lights hang across the street would be awesome.

spongeg
July 6th, 2009, 08:55 PM
So a tall Cali-type palm tree? I agree. But that won't happen. So I still sit at no trees:)

coquitlam uses some trees that don't branch out - they might work

i'll have to get a pic

i kinda like the trees they use in Victorias china town - those would be cool here

pic by me

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/spongeg/victoria/july2006028.jpg

spongeg
July 6th, 2009, 08:56 PM
I still stand for "absolutely no trees " please,you see with all neon signs its better nothing to obstruct them.NO TREES.Can you imagine at Christmas with those xmax lights hang across the street would be awesome.

i like those xmas lights like u see in london and everywhere in the world

but here the stupid trolley bus lines get in the way

Spoolmak
July 6th, 2009, 10:34 PM
Will Vancouver ever get rid of those ugly things? I mean seriously, sure it's doing good for the environment but man! It sure is gastly looking.

Overground
July 6th, 2009, 10:43 PM
coquitlam uses some trees that don't branch out - they might work

i'll have to get a pic

i kinda like the trees they use in Victorias china town - those would be cool here



Those would be cool. I'd be for anything ornamental like this, which are small and can be trimmed into different shapes which also limit blocking much of the view of buildings. Gov't Street in Victoria has some great trees(European hornbeam) that are limited in size and trimmed every Nov to give them this great shape. You can make them smaller and in a variety of shapes. I've seen them trimmed into cones and even squares. We actually have some growing along Beach Ave but in their large mature state.

http://i25.tinypic.com/15efkv7.jpg

pic by Les Photos d'Emilie's http://www.flickr.com/photos/emilie-r/1329059876/

trofirhen
July 25th, 2009, 08:33 PM
Some people seem against any trees on Granville Mall (I suppose so as not to cut the view of the brilliant neon lights and neoclassical architecture, rivalled only by places like the Trevi Fountain in Rome, or La Place de La Concorde in Paris), other people seem to accept the idea of trees, as long as they are not too wide (again, presumably, not to block the awe-inspiring view), so . . . . .
why not plant tall, pointed Mediterranean cypress trees. These can be found in gardens in the Lower Mainland, but are the principal form of climax forest growth in areas like Southern France, and in Italy. They are also frequent in California. They're an evergreen, tall, spire-like in appearance, elegant, and give a touch of deep teal green without overpowering whatever it is that everybody seems so enthralled about. (Whatever that is escapes me; the collection of neon signs?; the cheap hotels? the bars?; the theatres and cinemas?; the porn shops? .....)
*
If anyone can clarify this for me, please do, but as for trees, try the Mediterranean cypress. It might be just what would work.
:ohno:

trofirhen
July 25th, 2009, 08:46 PM
Gordon Price did a photo study of some of the malls in Australian cities.
The photographs speak for themselves.

To get an idea of what they create Down Under (while we spin our wheels),
simply click on this link:


http://www.sfu.ca/city/PDFs/Pricetags/Price%20Tags%2055%20-%20Mallstralia.pdf

then take a stroll down Granville mall . . . .


:nuts:

vanboy2
July 25th, 2009, 09:13 PM
Gordon Price did a photo study of some of the malls in Australian cities.
The photographs speak for themselves.

To get an idea of what they create Down Under (while we spin our wheels),
simply click on this link:


http://www.sfu.ca/city/PDFs/Pricetags/Price%20Tags%2055%20-%20Mallstralia.pdf

then take a stroll down Granville mall . . . .


:nuts:

oh my gosh,those pics from the link of Australia like identical to Granville street,weird.and Convention centre too,both countries had so much architectures similarity.who copy who?:lol:

like I said,I am not anti-trees at all ( quite opposite actually,otherwise I wouldn't have to chose to live next to Stanley Park at all)but I think since we had practically so many streets with trees,would be nice keeps one street of downtown core free of trees for a change,again just my opinion):)

Yellow Fever
August 18th, 2009, 06:40 AM
It looks quite ordinary, nothing special....



http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq248/le_thieu/Aug2009035.jpg


http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq248/le_thieu/Aug2009038.jpg
my photos

Yellow Fever
September 15th, 2009, 06:40 AM
Small update..

http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr71/yellowfever_2008/sept2009001.jpg

Not a single tree in sight..

http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr71/yellowfever_2008/sept2009039.jpg

vanboy2
September 16th, 2009, 05:15 AM
ok YF,here are more from today.....

http://i26.tinypic.com/25k5rw7.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/119v7dd.jpg

http://i29.tinypic.com/2vwcuvp.jpg

and this is what the road look like

http://i31.tinypic.com/nfjwpj.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/5f3ity.jpg

Yellow Fever
September 16th, 2009, 06:47 AM
I have a good feeling that this mall will become the new Robson in dt. Which is good for the shoppers.

vanboy2
September 16th, 2009, 08:39 PM
I have a good feeling that this mall will become the new Robson in dt. Which is good for the shoppers.

yeah I think so too and I personally think Granville is more authentic compare to Robson,well so now we have a T ZONE district to shop till you drop.hahaah

Rhino
September 19th, 2009, 07:02 AM
I think this looks GREAT !!!! like going back in time and jumping to Reno.

Vince
September 20th, 2009, 11:29 AM
Wish they will always maintain the mall well. Starting to see gum stains on the concrete slabs already. Also hate those pizza paper plates people discard all over the place, especially during the weekends.

naive.super
September 21st, 2009, 07:58 AM
Lived in Van for a while, great city, but Granville Street is just brutal. And honestly, I think it's even worse now. I mean couldn't they use some nice material for pavement? It looked allright on Sketchup images, but in reality it is just appauling.
Also I think that strip of Granville Street between Robson and Georgia should have been pedestrianised. I did not think it was too much of disruption to traffic during its' closure (2-3 years?) so it presented an opportunity to take advantage of it now. I wonder whether Van will ever get some real urban pedestrian street.:nuts:
Cutting the trees down was also a terrible idea. I read the panels made for the project and I did not manage to grasp what was the real idea behind cutting them down? Too much shade? Most of the trees were deceased? Of course they were deceased, like most other trees planted along car-busy streets. Now, those streets along Granville were planted probably around 40-50 years ago, that is when the conditions for them were arguably better than now (less traffic, perhaps less underground utilities, etc), newer trees will possibly become deceased before they reach 20 years, then what? Cut them down again? Or perhaps some of them will get dry in a couple of years like those found along Richards Street, etc.
It's all just my opinion, but I really think that this whole thing about Granville remodelation turned to be quite miserable, unlike many other projects in Van, which are usually of much higher quality.

Taller, Better
September 21st, 2009, 07:19 PM
But, didn't turning Granville into a pedestrian street ruin it in the first place? When I was young it was a bustling, thriving thoroughfare. When they turned it pedestrian it attracted all the wrong crowd, and the pedestrian mall seemed to die.

naive.super
September 21st, 2009, 09:42 PM
But, didn't turning Granville into a pedestrian street ruin it in the first place? When I was young it was a bustling, thriving thoroughfare. When they turned it pedestrian it attracted all the wrong crowd, and the pedestrian mall seemed to die.

I don't have any recollection of Granville Street being pedestrian. I don't think it (or any part of it) was ever pedestrian.

Yellow Fever
September 22nd, 2009, 05:20 AM
Don't worry! naive.super, there will be trees in the mall..


http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5632/newgranvillest.jpg (http://img8.imageshack.us/i/newgranvillest.jpg/)

Taller, Better
September 22nd, 2009, 05:24 AM
I don't have any recollection of Granville Street being pedestrian. I don't think it (or any part of it) was ever pedestrian.

Sure it was. It was a normal automobile thoroughfare, and a very busy one. I know because I remember driving down it with my family. I think it got converted to pedestrian in the 70's.

Yellow Fever
September 22nd, 2009, 05:29 AM
It was kind of semi-pedestrian mall with the bus running through the middle of the street.

vanboy2
September 22nd, 2009, 05:31 AM
I don't have any recollection of Granville Street being pedestrian. I don't think it (or any part of it) was ever pedestrian.

fromGeorgia to Smithe st used to be pedestrian only.Bus only.

naive.super
September 22nd, 2009, 05:47 AM
Don't worry! naive.super, there will be trees in the mall..


As I've mentioned before it looked way better on Sketch Up and rendered images, but in reality it's way worse, especially the pavement. I have not seen street furniture yet, so it's hard to tell about it.
I know they plan to plant trees, but it will take 20-30 years till they become what you can see on this render. Meanwhile, with pollution level being higher and more underground utilities, I would not be surprised if half of those trees died within the first 5 years.
It's a pessimistic view of the situation, but I just really don't like this particular project.
Many other cities with similar and even more complex projects manage the situation with trees way better, preserving all of them.

naive.super
September 22nd, 2009, 05:52 AM
It was kind of semi-pedestrian mall with the bus running through the middle of the street.

Are you refering to what it was prior to 2005 with only buses and taxis running through the street?
That's not really pedestrian kind of street I was thinking of. It was still a normal street layout, with different levels and different paving for sidewalks and the road itself, where you couldn't really walk.

Yellow Fever
September 22nd, 2009, 07:16 AM
I know what you are saying and I agree with you that we should have a real 'people only' mall in downtown like the Fremont Mall in Las Vegas. :)

I just love the light show upthere on the canope at night!

http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr71/yellowfever_2008/fremont-street-experience.jpg

spongeg
September 29th, 2009, 01:07 AM
this must be the slowest project ever :(

the north end really needs more life - its so dead

Yellow Fever
September 29th, 2009, 06:48 AM
You mean the section north of Georgia? Doesn't that part is in the central business district and usually quiet after 6pm?

vanboy2
September 29th, 2009, 07:08 AM
You mean the section north of Georgia? Doesn't that part is in the central business district and usually quiet after 6pm?

yeah,that part of town surrounded by the Bay,Royal bank,....big box stores of course it will quiet after 9 pm.All the bars and pubs all located on West Pender or Dunsmuir.

Vanman
September 29th, 2009, 07:45 AM
Lived in Van for a while, great city, but Granville Street is just brutal. And honestly, I think it's even worse now. I mean couldn't they use some nice material for pavement? It looked allright on Sketchup images, but in reality it is just appauling.
Also I think that strip of Granville Street between Robson and Georgia should have been pedestrianised. I did not think it was too much of disruption to traffic during its' closure (2-3 years?) so it presented an opportunity to take advantage of it now. I wonder whether Van will ever get some real urban pedestrian street.:nuts:
Cutting the trees down was also a terrible idea. I read the panels made for the project and I did not manage to grasp what was the real idea behind cutting them down? Too much shade? Most of the trees were deceased? Of course they were deceased, like most other trees planted along car-busy streets. Now, those streets along Granville were planted probably around 40-50 years ago, that is when the conditions for them were arguably better than now (less traffic, perhaps less underground utilities, etc), newer trees will possibly become deceased before they reach 20 years, then what? Cut them down again? Or perhaps some of them will get dry in a couple of years like those found along Richards Street, etc.
It's all just my opinion, but I really think that this whole thing about Granville remodelation turned to be quite miserable, unlike many other projects in Van, which are usually of much higher quality.

Seriously, when was the last time you've been to Granville? The early 90s? Back then there were a couple dozen plots or more of undeveloped land strewn with garbage, covered in graffiti, boarded up store fronts and abandoned buildings. There were way more sex shops than today, and a much more noticeable presence of homeless people and beggars. The smell of piss would occasionally waft in the air. In general, it was seedy, at least more so than today.

Nowadays almost every empty plot of land has been filled in, tons of new bars, stores, and restaurants have moved in, and several new towers have been built within the immediate vicinity.

A few examples:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/vannmann/3303988519_04b8c5bf48_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jam_s/3303988519/sizes/l/

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/vannmann/3869798384_da7dcd7cf7.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gloriapayne/3869798384/

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/vannmann/3961461148_87fbfee0b1_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ilovelamp/3961461148/sizes/l/


Granville still has a long way to go before it reaches what it was in it's prime in the 50s but it's on the right track :
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/vannmann/GranvilleStreet1957onFlickr-PhotoSh.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/79761301@N00/2596676398/

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/vannmann/HastingsatColumbia1958onFlickr-Phot.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/79761301@N00/2596676568/

And about the trees, I agree that there is a stark contrast with them gone. Alot of the Vancouver forumers actually like the street treeless as it gives off a more chaotic, urban vibe, especially at night. The neon really does stand out more in the rain too. I'm kind of torn cause those trees used to hide all kinds of ugly, but yes they will be replaced, albeit with smaller, more compact species.

spongeg
September 29th, 2009, 09:51 PM
You mean the section north of Georgia? Doesn't that part is in the central business district and usually quiet after 6pm?

yah that part even during the day though itfeels dead - there are so many empty spots and just nothing really draws you down there - that shore club has added some life but not much at night - a few more evening places would be good

theres some big retail space available - apple could move into one of them :)

Yellow Fever
September 30th, 2009, 05:13 AM
Build a movies theatre there would definitely help too.


Talking about Apple store, I just bought an iMac and I love it! Lot of people,for some reason afraid to use apples computer, but I find its quite user friendly.

Huhu
September 30th, 2009, 07:46 AM
I just walked by Granville Mall the other day and I must say that it looks quite striking with the power lines and everything removed. Without any cars and few people (it was during the workday) it had this weird movie set feel to it. I felt like I was back in Universal Studios or something. I hope it gets some more neon and larger signs now; it could look a bit like Las Vegas.

deasine
October 2nd, 2009, 05:07 AM
Talking about Apple store, I just bought an iMac and I love it! Lot of people,for some reason afraid to use apples computer, but I find its quite user friendly.

Once you have a mac, you never want to switch back.

Not related, but Vancouver's newest apple store in Oakridge is located in an amazing location. From the Canada Line/Cambie & 41st Ave. Entrance, you can see the Apple logo all the way from the end.

Yellow Fever
October 2nd, 2009, 06:10 AM
Once you have a mac, you never want to switch back.



Yes, I don't think I would buy a PC again! I have a friend also switch to apple recently and she loves it as well.

vanboy2
October 2nd, 2009, 06:34 AM
Yes, I don't think I would buy a PC again! I have a friend also switch to apple recently and she loves it as well.

yeah for sure that MAC do have anti virus way better than PC.(I am not talking about those commercial with Justin Long,lol)

deasine
December 11th, 2009, 11:24 PM
Some photos from Granville tonight...

Some new art at Granville and Georgia. Kinda cool looking, but it was a bit disappointing to the touch... hollow and not all that well anchored, so it rocked a bit when touched. Too bad it's not a big bigger (and heavier). Nice location though... it was attracting lots of interest:

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_9FW9P3-u1EI/SyG4ZrFCP_I/AAAAAAAABzQ/n39ZVyrNAgQ/s800/9IMG_0703.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_9FW9P3-u1EI/SyG4aqMdpaI/AAAAAAAABzU/lE_Xpl_Uyfk/s800/IMG_0702.JPG

And this patio is new (I think). Yes please to more of these! (Patios on Granville, not Cafe Crepes):

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_9FW9P3-u1EI/SyG4boEzoRI/AAAAAAAABzY/MG5vUBq0naE/s800/IMG_0706.JPG


(my photos, taken tonight)
Via Locked In of SSP

deasine
December 11th, 2009, 11:24 PM
New art outside of CC C-Line Stn.

Some photos from Granville tonight...

Some new art at Granville and Georgia. Kinda cool looking, but it was a bit disappointing to the touch... hollow and not all that well anchored, so it rocked a bit when touched. Too bad it's not a big bigger (and heavier). Nice location though... it was attracting lots of interest:

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_9FW9P3-u1EI/SyG4ZrFCP_I/AAAAAAAABzQ/n39ZVyrNAgQ/s800/9IMG_0703.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_9FW9P3-u1EI/SyG4aqMdpaI/AAAAAAAABzU/lE_Xpl_Uyfk/s800/IMG_0702.JPG

And this patio is new (I think). Yes please to more of these! (Patios on Granville, not Cafe Crepes):

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_9FW9P3-u1EI/SyG4boEzoRI/AAAAAAAABzY/MG5vUBq0naE/s800/IMG_0706.JPG


(my photos, taken tonight)
Via Locked In of SSP

Juliobaguilar
April 14th, 2010, 09:19 AM
Granvile street was MAAAAAAD during the olympics... what a great christening for the street!

salwanbelwane
April 15th, 2010, 01:17 AM
great

Vince
November 21st, 2010, 12:04 PM
After the olympics, I don't see those efficient clean-up crews picking up garbage by the minute anymore. Granville mall is always a mess on weekends, strewn with garbage: pizza plates, cigarette butts and chewing gums stains. Party on, people, but have a sense of decency and love of the city.

spongeg
November 21st, 2010, 11:36 PM
haha yah the garbage cans along robson are overflowing - there must have been 100 starbucks cups in one of them we passed last night

spongeg
December 5th, 2010, 08:46 AM
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/3928231.bin

City reminds Vancouver pedestrians to watch for buses on Granville


By Andrea Woo, Vancouver Sun December 4, 2010

VANCOUVER - The city of Vancouver is preparing for a rush of holiday shoppers by ramping up its pedestrian-safety campaign.

A total of 30 "3D-style graphics" will be added to Granville Street sidewalks this week to remind pedestrians not to jaywalk within 12 metres of a crosswalk, and to look both ways for approaching buses.

Buses recently began running on Granville Street again, after a four-and-a-half-year absence owing to Canada Line construction and its use as a community space for Rediscover Granville last summer.

"We've put a lot of effort into making Granville Street a destination for both shopping and entertainment, and the holiday season means more people will be coming into downtown," Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robertson said in a news release issued Wednesday.

"With the dark evenings and rainy weather, we need to remind everyone to take extra care when crossing the street."

Ten of the decals will measure 12 by six feet and prominently feature a bus bursting through a diamond emblazoned with the word "Look!" along all edges.

There will also be 20 smaller decals to caution against jaywalking, said City of Vancouver spokeswoman Wendy Stewart.

The graphics will be installed along Granville Street between Smithe and Hastings streets and remain for an indefinite period of time, Stewart said.

The campaign is a joint effort launched by the city, Trans-Link and the Downtown Vancouver Business Association.

awoo@vancouversun.com

© Copyright (c) The Vancouver Sun


Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Pedestrians+reminded+watch+buses+Granville+Street/3928230/story.html#ixzz17DmDxpCx

Overground
December 31st, 2010, 09:51 PM
I think those are ineffective as they just look like retail adverts. The stripey 'no jaywalking' ones seem quite noticeable though. Perhaps installation of more bollards is the way to go.

spongeg
January 2nd, 2011, 12:04 AM
i was down there last sunday and there was some woman on rollerblades in headphones aimlessly rollerblading around in cirlces along granville street busses whizzing past her

i wanted to throw a stick or a rock at her

and i still see cars using it stupid idiots

vanboy2
January 2nd, 2011, 01:32 AM
i was down there last sunday and there was some woman on rollerblades in headphones aimlessly rollerblading around in cirlces along granville street busses whizzing past her

i wanted to throw a stick or a rock at her

and i still see cars using it stupid idiots

lol last week I almost got hit by the bus on Granville cause I kept forget buses are back on that street.and yes I wore the headphone too.:lol: