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Salary band At least £60k
Salary £55504.16 -
Location Bangladesh
Job type Full time
Company Wynnwith

Contact Richard Khan
Job categories Airline Management, Airline/Office, Executive Positions, Managers/Office Support
Posted 14th Jul 2009
Expires 21st Jul 2009

Job Description
Our client is a rapidly growing and major airline in Bangladesh and due to their growth plans and fast developing network, they now require a Commercial Director.

Job Description:

To provide leadership and strategic direction to ensure growth and delivery of passenger & Cargo sales revenue worldwide in accordance with the corporate business plans and objectives for our client.

The scope also includes the commercial success of our client's network, growth of revenue, expansion of network, profitability of routes, brand building, customer service and the entirety of passenger and cargo sales & marketing.

The ideal candidate must have:

Over 15 years work experience out of which 10 years should be at management level in a related discipline.
Possess a deep understanding of the airline industry and a comprehensive knowledge of commercial aviation challenges.
Be strategically minded, service oriented and commercially focused.
Possess a thorough knowledge of airline passenger sales and marketing, marketing communications and customer service.
Should have the capability of setting up the department from scratch to cope with the planned growth of the airline.
You must display a proven leadership record with a demonstrated ability to engage and inspire the team to deliver organisational objectives.
Required to be result oriented, flexible in approach and able to produce results in a challenging environment.
Ideal candidate should have work experience either in the South Asian region or the Indian Subcontinent

Position is based in Dhaka/Bangladesh.

If you are interested in this vacancy, please apply online or contact Richard Khan on +44 1483 748 201 or email richard.khan@wynnwith.com

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Any takers?
I am guessing this is for the post merger GMG-Beximco, or maybe United.

mmmmhhh, a ideal candidate.......a certain Mr.Asif comes to mind.

Probably, most Bangladeshi expats in Oman are from CGP and vicinity?

If I'm not mistaken, over 80% of the total expat Bangladeshis in the Middle-East hails from Chittagong and its vicinity. Serving DAC would almost be a wasteful exercise for them, since the modest capacity of the 737-800 5x times/week can be easily fed well with pax to/from CGP.

Manazir, I didn't know Oman Air flies to Chittagong. Why not Dhaka too?

sorry samaruf bhai for late reply, haha u already got ur answeres by now ;)...... They have their plan to operate DAC flights but after receiving new A330 aircrafts. This year, they are starting (resuming) Colombo flights and connecting to Male, aswell as Frankfurt and Paris after they receive their 2x A330s, like EK, QR, EY, i also want WY (oman air) to operate to DAC/CGP with wide-body aircrafts.

China Southern Starting DAC operations on Aug 2 - delay due to CAAB?

DHAKA, July 14 (Xinhua) -- The China Southern Airlines Company Limited finalized to open a Dhaka-Guangzhou flight on Aug. 2, almost a month later than their earlier plan to open the route on July 5.

Gao Bo, China Southern Airlines Bangladesh representative, told Xinhua on Tuesday, all the processes have finished and they already started to sell tickets in Bangladesh from July 10.

"We couldn't open the flight on July 5 because the Bangladesh Civil Aviation Authorities didn't complete concerned formalities on time which led to the delay," he said.

According to Gao Bo, there will be 3 flights at the beginning. "We fly from Guangzhou to Dhaka on Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday and fly from Dhaka to Guangzhou on Monday, Wednesday and Friday," he said.

Gao Bo said, "We sell the return tickets from Dhaka-Guangzhou with some concession for the first two months. The total prize of a Dhaka-Guangzhou return ticket with tax is 38,000 taka (about 543 U.S.dollars). After two months, the price will increase around 50 U.S. dollars."

Gao Bo said the plane flying Guangzhou-Dhaka is Boeing 737-800,and the flying time is around 3 and a half hours.

Mofizur Rahman, managing director of Novo Air, Bangladeshi General Sales Agent of China Southern, told Xinhua in an interview earlier the economic relationship between China and Bangladesh has developed a lot during the last few years, and more and more Bangladeshi businessmen are doing business with China.

"The opening of Dhaka-Guangzhou flight will provide convenience to those businessmen as most of their businesses are based in southern China," he said.

"Every year more than 10,000 Bangladeshis participate in the Canton Fair. It will be easy for the Bangladeshi participants to go to the Canton Fair if the Dhaka-Guangzhou route opens," he added.

In 2005, the China Eastern Airlines landed in Bangladesh with the opening of the Dhaka-Kunming flight.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-07/14/content_11706209.htm

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The a/c got switched from an A320 to B738 as well, if this report is correct.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, the original schedule would offer great connections to/from PEK/PVG/SHA/ICN/NRT/KIX. Hope that has not changed.

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc

China Southern Starting DAC operations on Aug 2 - delay due to CAAB?

"We couldn't open the flight on July 5 because the Bangladesh Civil Aviation Authorities didn't complete concerned formalities on time which led to the delay," he said.

What what tasks were pending for so long! The 'transaction' perhaps?!?

What what tasks were pending for so long! The 'transaction' perhaps?!?

Are you implying CAAB practices its "pay for play" game even with non Bangladesh entities? Why would they (foreign concerns) play because I don't think an international airline would be so desperate to operate to/from Bangladesh? Moreover, couldn't they simply expose them?

Are you implying CAAB practices its "pay for play" game even with non Bangladesh entities? Why would they (foreign concerns) play because I don't think an international airline would be so desperate to operate to/from Bangladesh? Moreover, couldn't they simply expose them?

If the "transactions" are exposed, the CAAB guys like all the other GoB departments will shamelessly deny it. "Ek rotti shorom nai eder".

If you read the newspapers, whenever a corruption charge is made against DMP, they will deny it outright and if prodded will reluctantly utter, "Any wrongdoing will be punished to the fullest extent of the law" just to get you off their backs.

Are you implying CAAB practices its "pay for play" game even with non Bangladesh entities? Why would they (foreign concerns) play because I don't think an international airline would be so desperate to operate to/from Bangladesh? Moreover, couldn't they simply expose them?

I'm not 'implying' it...I'm stating it as a 'fact'. I have seen (literally speaking), an airline which began serving Dhaka about 3 years ago, having to 'deal' with officials from the CAAB and the MoCAT with cash and more. The woman who was the then country manager for the airline and I were good friends, having had our offices in the same building at that time, and she told me exactly how much they had to pay and to whom to get what they wanted.

:mad:

I'm not 'implying' it...I'm stating it as a 'fact'. I have seen (literally speaking), an airline which began serving Dhaka about 3 years ago, having to 'deal' with officials from the CAAB and the MoCAT with cash and more. The woman who was the then country manager for the airline and I were good friends, having had our offices in the same building at that time, and she told me exactly how much they had to pay and to whom to get what they wanted.

:mad:

Mukhe gaali ashe eshob shunle.

To be honest, the foreign entities are also responsible to a certain extent because they perpetuate this corrupt behavior among our civil servants.

If these companies are anything like 3M, Motorola or Ingersoll Rand(companies I have worked at), there are numerous ethics classes that they will need to attend. The classes and training emphasize the illegality of paying bribes or schmoozing with customers.

Imran bro, since you knew who these guys were, may be you could have told upper management about it, although my hunch is those guys were probably involved too. My retired father-in-law used to work for CAAB in Pakistan times(don't know what it was called then) and two decades during the Bangladesh era. He told me about the "chorami" that went on with procuring the first radar from France. Things haven't changed much :mad2:

I'm not 'implying' it...I'm stating it as a 'fact'. I have seen (literally speaking), an airline which began serving Dhaka about 3 years ago, having to 'deal' with officials from the CAAB and the MoCAT with cash and more. The woman who was the then country manager for the airline and I were good friends, having had our offices in the same building at that time, and she told me exactly how much they had to pay and to whom to get what they wanted.

:mad:

may I knw what airlines was it? :P

Imran bro, since you knew who these guys were, may be you could have told upper management about it, although my hunch is those guys were probably involved too. My retired father-in-law used to work for CAAB in Pakistan times(don't know what it was called then) and two decades during the Bangladesh era. He told me about the "chorami" that went on with procuring the first radar from France. Things haven't changed much :mad2:

The people at the MoCAT and CAAB I was referring to were the 'upper management'...and you only thought they might have 'probably' been involved too?!?

On another note, the same bunch of people (OJ / RK) who supplied the radar you're referring to from Thomson (now Thales) of France might as well be supplying the new radar under the Danish fund as well.

may I knw what airlines was it? :P

No, since I mentioned about my friend and shared potentially sensitive info without her consent, I'll refrain from naming her or the airline.

Sharp minds will figure it out anyways! :)

I'm not 'implying' it...I'm stating it as a 'fact'. I have seen (literally speaking), an airline which began serving Dhaka about 3 years ago, having to 'deal' with officials from the CAAB and the MoCAT with cash and more. The woman who was the then country manager for the airline and I were good friends, having had our offices in the same building at that time, and she told me exactly how much they had to pay and to whom to get what they wanted.

:mad:

I understand, but my point was; what if they refused to bribe and instead complained say to the AG or PM's office? Did companies like BA and EK also indulge CAAB? I expect the only game they can play is to create delays by coming with excuses, "this is missing, you didn't fill out that form, etc." But eventually they'd have to grant the necessary approval, don't they?

Back in the days, I'm talking about 1980-1990s, I have a mami who now lives with her kids in the US (since my uncle passed), used to exhaust government bureaucrats. She had all the patience and time in the world. She would simply wait them out and iron out every wrinkle they'd throw at her, where the officials would simply give up and give in. Of course, we are talking about peoples' everyday life, income taxes, property taxes, bill payment etc., nothing like dealing with CAAB!

No, since I mentioned about my friend and shared potentially sensitive info without her consent, I'll refrain from naming her or the airline.

Sharp minds will figure it out anyways! :)

haha yes I think ill try to go back to all the aviation articles to see which airlines started DAC operations in 2006!!..............or wait, as i wrote this, i got it already XD!! haha I flew it even that same year! :D

Hi, I'm writing from Bolzano, Italy.... my english is not very good... so someone can help me, how can I insert the new image on this home page!!??

Here some image of dhaka airport taken from the aircraft dc 10 arrival from Rome, Italy.
www.flickr.com/photos/34532462@N04/

Hi, I'm writing from Bolzano, Italy.... my english is not very good... so someone can help me, how can I insert the new image on this home page!!??

Here some image of dhaka airport taken from the aircraft dc 10 arrival from Rome, Italy.
www.flickr.com/photos/34532462@N04/

Thanks for the great pics bro..:cheers:

haha yes I think ill try to go back to all the aviation articles to see which airlines started DAC operations in 2006!!..............or wait, as i wrote this, i got it already XD!! haha I flew it even that same year! :D
EY? :gossip:

Skystar, you have a lot to learn about how government officials conduct business in Bangladesh and their motive/rationale behind any/every decision they make. :)

Yes I do... though I fear that I will not fully 100% understand.

Anyway, long live the FK28, excellent aircraft hands down

No...no...no...the F-28 is still very much in frontline service...with BG...and if things don't go too well, they might be the only planes in service with Biman...like you said till 2019 or even longer! After all, it's the only plane Biman can do heavy checks on and have at least 5x times the spares required! ;)

And if it wasn't for Northwest, the DC-9s would have been a thing of long-gone past!

BTW, did you know that Biman was sure to get the F-50s if the chuckling General didn't seemingly fall in love, with the only non-female object in his life...the BAe ATP!

Fokker F50's I love, big bulky and can shift alot of stuff....

The ATP is/was getting alot of negative publicity, rightly so, horrible looking aircraft. However, its turning up trumps in Europe where is has carved a niche into the market as an overnight freighter aircraft. Just ask Westair!

I understand, but my point was; what if they refused to bribe and instead complained say to the AG or PM's office? Did companies like BA and EK also indulge CAAB? I expect the only game they can play is to create delays by coming with excuses, "this is missing, you didn't fill out that form, etc." But eventually they'd have to grant the necessary approval, don't they?

In business, time is money. And airline being more global a business than any other, the airlines find their way to suit to the regulatory requirements and obstacles of the countries they intend to serve.

As for foreign airlines playing the CAAB, a part of the money is paid just to pace up the initial regulatory approvals. Sure the airlines can choose not to pay and go through months to complete the processes...but its just so much cheaper to just pay off these scums and get things done within days, rather than the cost of waiting through months.

Once the operations begin, then comes the issue of payment which is regular and periodical to gain certain convenience. For example, several airlines operating to DAC unofficially pays the air traffic controllers and Biman's ground handling officials on a regular basis - the ATC controllers are paid to provide preferential approach sequence and better parking gates whenever possible. Biman's ground handling officials get paid to provide prompt and efficient handling. This is real fact, and can be proven!

Just another day in paradise!

Fokker F50's I love, big bulky and can shift alot of stuff....

The ATP is/was getting alot of negative publicity, rightly so, horrible looking aircraft. However, its turning up trumps in Europe where is has carved a niche into the market as an overnight freighter aircraft. Just ask Westair!

The ATP inherited its fundamental design (and hence the looks) from the HS748. Too bad we haven't seen any ATP freighters (where are the ex-Emerald ones though?) instead of the HS748s with the local operators carrying shrimps. Of course the reason being that most HS748's comes at prices next to nothing, and shrimp fries aren't bothered about the reliability of the aircraft! :)

SriLankan Airlines is all set to fly direct to Colombo from Dhaka by year-end.

"We stopped our direct flights to Sri Lanka following terrorist attacks in our country that destroyed some of our carriers," said HMTD Herath, a minister at the Sri Lankan High Commission in Bangladesh, adding that his government is keen on resuming operations.

He was speaking at a views exchange meeting with businessmen from Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. Business travellers from both the countries frequently need to travel to and from to maintain bilateral trade ties.

Representatives from the India Bangladesh Chamber of Commerce and Industry (IBCCI) and a visiting delegation of Sri Lanka Chamber of Small Industries (SLCSI) were present at the meeting.

The delegation arrived in Bangladesh on July 13 for a four-day visit that ended yesterday.

Aloy R Jayawardene, president of SLCSI, said their visit to Bangladesh was successful, as they held several meetings with members of the business community.

Collin Fernando, managing partner of St Theresa Industries, said his company is on the lookout for a local partner to begin a joint venture in Bangladesh.

"We produce overhead equipment for electric lines and we want to set up a plant here as the power sector will be expanded in the country, in the near future," said Fernando.

Present bilateral trade between the two countries is worth around $34 million, which tilts towards the island nation, the meeting was told.

"We wish to raise bilateral trade to around $100 million within the next one year," said IBCCI President Abdul Matlub Ahmed.

http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=97232

In business, time is money. And airline being more global a business than any other, the airlines find their way to suit to the regulatory requirements and obstacles of the countries they intend to serve.

As for foreign airlines playing the CAAB, a part of the money is paid just to pace up the initial regulatory approvals. Sure the airlines can choose not to pay and go through months to complete the processes...but its just so much cheaper to just pay off these scums and get things done within days, rather than the cost of waiting through months.

Once the operations begin, then comes the issue of payment which is regular and periodical to gain certain convenience. For example, several airlines operating to DAC unofficially pays the air traffic controllers and Biman's ground handling officials on a regular basis - the ATC controllers are paid to provide preferential approach sequence and better parking gates whenever possible. Biman's ground handling officials get paid to provide prompt and efficient handling. This is real fact, and can be proven!

Just another day in paradise!

There is hardly any reason to believe that the situation in much different in China. 'Speed money' has almost become an integral part of SOP for businesses in Asia or any other place in the world. The developed world like North America, Japan or Europe has gone through the evolution process and the concept of 'speed money' only works for larger project with stake much higher.

China Southern, being a typical Asian organization, will always prefer to take the conventional route of speed money than going through those unearthly way of AG to PM etc. Besides, as far as I know the local GSA of the airlines generally get these kind of stuffs done for the airlines.

^^ hmm great news :)

There is hardly any reason to believe that the situation in much different in China. 'Speed money' has almost become an integral part of SOP for businesses in Asia or any other place in the world. The developed world like North America, Japan or Europe has gone through the evolution process and the concept of 'speed money' only works for larger project with stake much higher.

China Southern, being a typical Asian organization, will always prefer to take the conventional route of speed money than going through those unearthly way of AG to PM etc. Besides, as far as I know the local GSA of the airlines generally get these kind of stuffs done for the airlines.

One can come up with as many excuses and reasons behind the practice, but doing so, does not make it any less illegal, immoral and unethical. The notion that there is corruption in high places in the western world is probably more of a unproven concept and a convenient excuse. While not discounting that supposed fact there are mechanisms, systems in place with institutional functionaries that are always on the lookout for such malpractice and whenever such an act is discovered, it rarely goes unpunished. The Asian brothers on the other hand feign ignorance and shrug it off.

Two wrongs does not make a wrong, right. :ohno:

The ATP inherited its fundamental design (and hence the looks) from the HS748. Too bad we haven't seen any ATP freighters (where are the ex-Emerald ones though?) instead of the HS748s with the local operators carrying shrimps. Of course the reason being that most HS748's comes at prices next to nothing, and shrimp fries aren't bothered about the reliability of the aircraft! :)

The EX Emerald BAe APT's have gone to Indonesia, or will be their shortly. The reason to why no APT's have gone to Indonesia are the following


The residual value of the aircraft, permits the ATP is too hefty asset to lease to Bangladesh for leasing companies
The Bangladesh carriers do not need the uplift in terms of kg in the size of the ATP, however the 748 is perfect.
Lease rates, ATPs are holding value in the mid 60's range, whereas the 748's only 30-40k a month for a LFD
In Bangladesh, the economic sence is to operate the 748. The ATP is only really viable when your operating the aircraft for 4+hrs a day


I'm a great fan of BAe aircraft, especially the 748... My greatest triuph was placing one late last year and the operator is loving it.

Can someone clear up a puzzlement for me.

I see that the Wikipedia entry for Biman is full of severely negative opinions and conjectures. Why hasn't this been edited to reflect 'only facts'?

Entries for any other airline from the subcontinent is normal -- only Biman's entry is screwed up. True -- Biman does suck. But the Wikipedia entry should reflect largely facts and event timelines. I smell a rat here.

Can someone clear up a puzzlement for me.

I see that the Wikipedia entry for Biman is full of severely negative opinions and conjectures. Why hasn't this been edited to reflect 'only facts'?

Entries for any other airline from the subcontinent is normal -- only Biman's entry is screwed up. True -- Biman does suck. But the Wikipedia entry should reflect largely facts and event timelines. I smell a rat here.


Its because anyone can write.... hence for you, you could fix it up

Can someone clear up a puzzlement for me.

I see that the Wikipedia entry for Biman is full of severely negative opinions and conjectures. Why hasn't this been edited to reflect 'only facts'?

Entries for any other airline from the subcontinent is normal -- only Biman's entry is screwed up. True -- Biman does suck. But the Wikipedia entry should reflect largely facts and event timelines. I smell a rat here.

I mentioned this in various different places to edit the article but no one responded sadly :( ..... If I could be provided with all the correct facts and information about BG, I think I may b able to fix the article with Manbil bhai :)

Also, the ZIA article in wiki needs sumthin more details! it doesnt show much, so I wanna edit tht aswell if i have the correct infos !

I mentioned this in various different places to edit the article but no one responded sadly :( ..... If I could be provided with all the correct facts and information about BG, I think I may b able to fix the article with Manbil bhai :)

Also, the ZIA article in wiki needs sumthin more details! it doesnt show much, so I wanna edit tht aswell if i have the correct infos !

This forum should be the ideal platform to edit and improve wiki articles on Biman, Zia etc.

However, which are the facts on Biman that are incorrect? I rewrote the introduction a while ago which was full with garbage before but since than there were several edits by several persons. Please do flag the information/comments which seems incorrect.

One can come up with as many excuses and reasons behind the practice, but doing so, does not make it any less illegal, immoral and unethical. The notion that there is corruption in high places in the western world is probably more of a unproven concept and a convenient excuse. While not discounting that supposed fact there are mechanisms, systems in place with institutional functionaries that are always on the lookout for such malpractice and whenever such an act is discovered, it rarely goes unpunished. The Asian brothers on the other hand feign ignorance and shrug it off.

Two wrongs does not make a wrong, right. :ohno:

Fully agree with you. However, we are living in an imperfect world, and having seen imperial rule, dictatorship, democracy, communism etc etc, and heard stories about 'once upon a time', the fact is it was always imperfect and corruption/unethical practice always played key role in every systems. Businessmen are no way aesthetic people and they also promote corruption to get their job done in shortest possible time. We simply have to live with it ensuring that the level of it doesn't go beyond control (unfortunately for Bangladesh case its almost reaching a stage like that, because of the stage of development we are in, which other developed/developing countries have been through at some stage or other). By the way, corruption in western world is not only a concept, its very much prevalent and done in a much greater extend than here, but this not the right place to discuss that....

To me, GoB should be focusing more on issues relating CAAB which pose threat to safety...

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By the way, corruption is western world in not only a concept, its very much prevalent and done in a much greater extend than here, but this not the right place to discuss that....

I'm ready to debate this at any other place. :)

To me, GoB should be focusing more on issues relating CAAB which pose threat to safety...

Couldn't agree more. I might add that westerners aren't that of a fool that they'd "cut their noses in spite of their faces" ... as in compromise safety/security for personal gain (corruption).

I'm ready to debate this at any other place. :)


Couldn't agree more. I might add that westerners aren't that of a fool that they'd "cut their noses in spite of their faces" ... as in compromise safety/security for personal gain (corruption).

Really? I hope you are aware on the recent debate on Goldman Sachs? :cheers:

Really? I hope you are aware on the recent debate on Goldman Sachs? :cheers:

Now that is "legal extortion" if I may coin a phrase. Quite different with what goes on in Bangladesh (plain simple theft)

Anybody know if Afriqiyah Airways is starting flights to Dhaka?

Now that is "legal extortion" if I may coin a phrase. Quite different with what goes on in Bangladesh (plain simple theft)

Exactly... you see, that's the point... the illiterate Asians are yet to learn the 'art of wording' from there western elder brothers... :D

The don't worry, we'll catch up fast, hasn't one of American white congressman said, the golden era of Americans are all over....

Sorry for the off topic discussion. :)

The EX Emerald BAe APT's have gone to Indonesia, or will be their shortly. The reason to why no APT's have gone to Indonesia are the following


The residual value of the aircraft, permits the ATP is too hefty asset to lease to Bangladesh for leasing companies
The Bangladesh carriers do not need the uplift in terms of kg in the size of the ATP, however the 748 is perfect.
Lease rates, ATPs are holding value in the mid 60's range, whereas the 748's only 30-40k a month for a LFD
In Bangladesh, the economic sence is to operate the 748. The ATP is only really viable when your operating the aircraft for 4+hrs a day


1. Incorrect.
2. Partially correct.
3. Correct.
4. Partially correct.

Anybody know if Afriqiyah Airways is starting flights to Dhaka?

its been delayed again! I think October/November?

This forum should be the ideal platform to edit and improve wiki articles on Biman, Zia etc.

However, which are the facts on Biman that are incorrect? I rewrote the introduction a while ago which was full with garbage before but since than there were several edits by several persons. Please do flag the information/comments which seems incorrect.I second that. If you find something incorrect, you can raise it on the "Talk" page but it is a very well sourced article.

^^ about the BG article, it looks too much of writing and too little pictures in it, comparing to other airlines.....so page doesnt look so impressive! On the other hand, the ZIA article has too little writings and one a single picture only!!!

I second that. If you find something incorrect, you can raise it on the "Talk" page but it is a very well sourced article.

Except for a few minor, excusable errors...I couldn't spot anything too wrong with the article either. I mean...if we want to call a spade a spade, this is probably how it's going to be...but of course if we have to be in praises of the airline we could say "Biman's average flight delay has improved considerably...from an avg of 1 day to only 16 hours now"...or something like that! :)

From today's Daily Star: http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=97451

I thought these ex-Biman employees were given a golden handshake and let go. Why are they coming back for reinstatement?

^^ about the BG article, it looks too much of writing and too little pictures in it, comparing to other airlines.....so page doesnt look so impressive!

It really wouldn't look any more "impressive" with pictures of the DC-10s and F-28s either...if you compare that to the other airlines! ;)

^^ about the BG article, it looks too much of writing and too little pictures in it, comparing to other airlines.....so page doesnt look so impressive! On the other hand, the ZIA article has too little writings and one a single picture only!!!True. There should be pictures of the interiors and meals etc. Maybe also Cabin crew and cockpits. Anyone able to obtain these and make them freely available should upload them to the Images section of Wikipedia (or the Commons).

From today's Daily Star: http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=97451

I thought these ex-Biman employees were given a golden handshake and let go. Why are they coming back for reinstatement?

Because this country has gone to the dogs...that's why!

I have one simple question for this bunch of...(I'm yet to learn an appropriate word)...

Why have they placed their demands through press conferences? Why aren't the going to the Courts?

And here's one for an answer: if the force of law is unhindered, this bunch will get a kick that will put Roberto Carlos in shame!

...but of course if we have to be in praises of the airline we could say "Biman's average flight delay has improved considerably...from an avg of 1 day to only 16 hours now"...or something like that! :)

:rofl:
I've been trying to think hard of what positive statement we could make about Biman. That never crossed my mind. :lol:

True. There should be pictures of the interiors and meals etc. Maybe also Cabin crew and cockpits. Anyone able to obtain these and make them freely available should upload them to the Images section of Wikipedia (or the Commons).

- interiors which are cleaned once every fortnight?
- meals...well...I dunno...
- cabin crews...ones which have a hard time coming through the aisles? You do know that there are specialized BBW sites for such samples, don't you? Wiki perhaps isn't the most correct of places!
- cockpits...cmon...give the crews some privacy while they sleep, will you? :)

Because this country has gone to the dogs...that's why!

I have one simple question for this bunch of...(I'm yet to learn an appropriate word)...

Why have they placed their demands through press conferences? Why aren't the going to the Courts?

And here's one for an answer: if the force of law is unhindered, this bunch will get a kick that will put Roberto Carlos in shame!

"Shalara onno kothao chakri pai nai", is that why they are agitating?

From the article "KM Shah Alam, president of Biman Sramik League, said, “Our colleagues are leading a miserable life due to this Voluntary Retirement Scheme (VRS)."
They are leading miserable lives because they absolutely have no qualifications for doing anything else other than their main duty at Biman, which was to pilfer from a bloated airline.

- interiors which are cleaned once every fortnight?
- meals...well...I dunno...
- cabin crews...ones which have a hard time coming through the aisles? You do know that there are specialized BBW sites for such samples, don't you? Wiki perhaps isn't the most correct of places!
- cockpits...cmon...give the crews some privacy while they sleep, will you? :)

HAHAHAHA loool Imran bhai :lol:

It really wouldn't look any more "impressive" with pictures of the DC-10s and F-28s either...if you compare that to the other airlines! ;)

indeed! or we could post the leased aircrafts' pictures ;)

"Shalara onno kothao chakri pai nai", is that why they are agitating?

From the article "KM Shah Alam, president of Biman Sramik League, said, “Our colleagues are leading a miserable life due to this Voluntary Retirement Scheme (VRS)."
They are leading miserable lives because they absolutely have no qualifications for doing anything else other than their main duty at Biman, which was to pilfer from a bloated airline.

All of these people who accepted the VRS:

- took the opportunity because at that time they believed that Biman would soon go broke and they wouldn't receive any of their benefits

- filled and submitted their VRS application forms themselves

- those whose applications were accepted received full benefits that they would've been entitled to at the end of 25 years of service, PLUS additional bonuses ranging between 10% to 30%

Now they want their jobs back because suddenly they've realized that since Biman could afford to place a US$ 2 billion order with Boeing, they might as well be forced to give these jobs back. Now not only do they want their jobs back, they've also demanded that upon their re-appointment at Biman, they should also be paid "outstanding" salaries for this entire period of 2+ years that they've been out of Biman!

Whoever coined the term "moger mulluk" saw the state this country was heading towards from centuries ago!

indeed! or we could post the leased aircrafts' pictures ;)

Of course you can! With just half a bottle of JD down, I can even see things like this:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd236/TheCoolOnes/space-shuttle.jpg

All of these people who accepted the VRS:

- took the opportunity because at that time they believed that Biman would soon go broke and they wouldn't receive any of their benefits

- filled and submitted their VRS application forms themselves

- those whose applications were accepted received full benefits that they would've been entitled to at the end of 25 years of service, PLUS additional bonuses ranging between 10% to 30%

Now they want their jobs back because suddenly they've realized that since Biman could afford to place a US$ 2 billion order with Boeing, they might as well be forced to give these jobs back. Now not only do they want their jobs back, they've also demanded that upon their re-appointment at Biman, they should also be paid "outstanding" salaries for this entire period of 2+ years that they've been out of Biman!

Whoever coined the term "moger mulluk" saw the state this country was heading towards from centuries ago!

^^Speechless...

Biman should hire Rupchan Mia instead of any of these louts. At least he has some ethics.

A joke my father often quotes "An atheist goes to Bangladesh and comes back as a Mullah. When people ask him what caused the transformation, his reply, "Deshe jokhon manusher achoron dekhlam, bishshash korlam Allah chara ei desh ke keo chalachche na"

^^ hahaa nice joke :lol: ......Rupchan Mia, agreed :D

Of course you can! With just half a bottle of JD down, I can even see things like this:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd236/TheCoolOnes/space-shuttle.jpg

LMAO :lol:

DXLtBM17s34

SOURCE: AQUOLA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXLtBM17s34)

Of course you can! With just half a bottle of JD down, I can even see things like this:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd236/TheCoolOnes/space-shuttle.jpg


i love this picture.

Recent footage of Sylhet Airport (ZYL) - A rather clean looking Biman A310 taxiing to a newly built jetway. :cucumber:

(Now this is what you call plane spotting! :tongue2: )

Igon-95J3W8

1. Incorrect.
2. Partially correct.
3. Correct.
4. Partially correct.

1. Correct....

Most mid /low stream lessors will not lease to Bangladesh mainly due to Insurance requirements. Coupled with that, most low stream lessors need the security of the monthly lease rentals.

Sorry Iasif, your wrong :cheers:

Recent footage of Sylhet Airport (ZYL) - A rather clean looking Biman A310 taxiing to a newly built jetway. :cucumber:

(Now this is what you call plane spotting! :tongue2: )

Daaang! The whole town turned up :)

Okay I see that there's a lot of pent-up anger for Biman because of their mismanagement and passenger mistreatment -- but,

1. If we bad-mouth our own national airline, who will be encouraged to avail of their services?

2. There are lots of other airlines in the area -- such as IC, their wiki page does not have this much hate, opinions or conjecture. Wiki Description should be sterile and factual. Facts, facts and facts. Not opinions. This is a basic requirement.

3. Lets look at the IC page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Airlines#cite_note-10). Maybe Imran could tell us how their service is compared to Biman. I've never had the pleasure (of either BG or IC). But in this page there is no mention of who made what kind of bribery deal in buying what aircraft. I'm not saying these things did not exist with Biman -- I'm saying these are irrelevant detail in a wiki page that does not help the facts a person is looking for about Biman. IMHO they are mainly looking for routes flown, internal structure and how developed or undeveloped the infrastructure is. The IC page is a good example.

4. The point is the reputation of an airline once sullied -- is very hard to recover. Even after Biman gets to be as efficient as maybe CX or EK -- their reputation will remain in the public mind.

Re: 'mooty' flight attendants see this (http://www.hinduonnet.com/holnus/000200806041241.htm).

Okay I see that there's a lot of pent-up anger for Biman because of their mismanagement and passenger mistreatment -- but,
....
2. There are lots of other airlines in the area -- such as IC, their wiki page does not have this much hate, opinions or conjecture. Wiki Description should be sterile and factual. Facts, facts and facts. Not opinions. This is a basic requirement.

Couldn't agree more. Wiki is a basic knowledge database. There should be no room for opinions. Plenty of forums for that.

1. Correct....

Most mid /low stream lessors will not lease to Bangladesh mainly due to Insurance requirements. Coupled with that, most low stream lessors need the security of the monthly lease rentals.

Sorry Iasif, your wrong :cheers:

Let's take this one step at a time...can you please define "mid/low stream lessors"? Perhaps with examples?

Okay I see that there's a lot of pent-up anger for Biman because of their mismanagement and passenger mistreatment -- but,

1. If we bad-mouth our own national airline, who will be encouraged to avail of their services?

2. There are lots of other airlines in the area -- such as IC, their wiki page does not have this much hate, opinions or conjecture. Wiki Description should be sterile and factual. Facts, facts and facts. Not opinions. This is a basic requirement.

3. Lets look at the IC page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Airlines#cite_note-10). Maybe Imran could tell us how their service is compared to Biman. I've never had the pleasure (of either BG or IC). But in this page there is no mention of who made what kind of bribery deal in buying what aircraft. I'm not saying these things did not exist with Biman -- I'm saying these are irrelevant detail in a wiki page that does not help the facts a person is looking for about Biman. IMHO they are mainly looking for routes flown, internal structure and how developed or undeveloped the infrastructure is. The IC page is a good example.

4. The point is the reputation of an airline once sullied -- is very hard to recover. Even after Biman gets to be as efficient as maybe CX or EK -- their reputation will remain in the public mind.

Re: 'mooty' flight attendants see this (http://www.hinduonnet.com/holnus/000200806041241.htm).

While I agree with you, here are the thoughts that came across:

1. None of us really want to bad-mouth our own national airline, but its difficult to find a way to praise them particularly from the pax point-of-view - the most important one. I as someone engaged in the industry and having had to deal with Biman can say that there are some remarkably efficient and dedicated officials at Biman, as there had been in the past, but this opinion hardly matters because the efficiency or dedication of these people don't really affect the passengers' experience, which like I said is most important.

2. It's also true that Biman's 'facts' are harsher than that of most airline I know, including IC. Yeah IC hadn't been an airline to write home about, but did it have to be faced with 1/10 of the political abuse that Biman has been subjected to through almost the entire 37 years? The Wiki page on Biman is sour, but I really couldn't spot, apart from some minor errors, anything gravely wrong. Hnads on heart!

3. During the regulated era of Indian aviation, IC was never a great airline per se, but were far more 'predictable' than Biman. An airline doesn't have to great in all-round service, because many people may not value it, but it oughta be predictable, i.e. the pax to get what they expect for the price paid. Consider Ryanair....not an admirable airline really, but predictable!

Since the Indian aviation industry deregulated, things have improved even for IC/AI. The pvt operators have 'forced' IC/AI to be less boring and have been appreciated by the travelling passengers too. On the contrary, did you see Biman change for the better any bit by watching the good things about our pvt operators (well, there aren't much to follow, but still)?

As for relevance to Wiki, I don't know about ts policies on articles...but I think a visitor to the page may be on the lookout for more than the basic info. Besides, how do one put in the correct basic info about Biman anyways, when Biman itself has no clue? For example, the routes flown and the frequencies - Biman's own website is prehistoric on that point, and citing the same on Wiki would be wrong, and there aren't any easy way to get the correct data because like I said...Biman itself often has no clue!

4. This I don't agree with. It's surely going to be hard job, but not impossible, and if handled properly the results can be astonishing! I always inspire myself about this when I read back on CO's comeback in the 90s under Mr. Bethune.

While I agree with you, here are the thoughts that came across:

1. None of us really want to bad-mouth our own national airline, but its difficult to find a way to praise them particularly from the pax point-of-view - the most important one. I as someone engaged in the industry and having had to deal with Biman can say that there are some remarkably efficient and dedicated officials at Biman, as there had been in the past, but this opinion hardly matters because the efficiency or dedication of these people don't really affect the passengers' experience, which like I said is most important.

2. It's also true that Biman's 'facts' are harsher than that of most airline I know, including IC. Yeah IC hadn't been an airline to write home about, but did it have to be faced with 1/10 of the political abuse that Biman has been subjected to through almost the entire 37 years? The Wiki page on Biman is sour, but I really couldn't spot, apart from some minor errors, anything gravely wrong. Hnads on heart!

3. During the regulated era of Indian aviation, IC was never a great airline per se, but were far more 'predictable' than Biman. An airline doesn't have to great in all-round service, because many people may not value it, but it oughta be predictable, i.e. the pax to get what they expect for the price paid. Consider Ryanair....not an admirable airline really, but predictable!

Since the Indian aviation industry deregulated, things have improved even for IC/AI. The pvt operators have 'forced' IC/AI to be less boring and have been appreciated by the travelling passengers too. On the contrary, did you see Biman change for the better any bit by watching the good things about our pvt operators (well, there aren't much to follow, but still)?

As for relevance to Wiki, I don't know about ts policies on articles...but I think a visitor to the page may be on the lookout for more than the basic info. Besides, how do one put in the correct basic info about Biman anyways, when Biman itself has no clue? For example, the routes flown and the frequencies - Biman's own website is prehistoric on that point, and citing the same on Wiki would be wrong, and there aren't any easy way to get the correct data because like I said...Biman itself often has no clue!

4. This I don't agree with. It's surely going to be hard job, but not impossible, and if handled properly the results can be astonishing! I always inspire myself about this when I read back on CO's comeback in the 90s under Mr. Bethune.

Okay Imran Saheb -- points very well taken. :)

But -- as it exists, maybe there is a bit too much confusing info about Biman in there anyhow. I ask Mr. QGR to do some creative pruning as he sees fit -- if possible. You guys know that it is our sacred duty to keep up these Wiki sites.

2. There are lots of other airlines in the area -- such as IC, their wiki page does not have this much hate, opinions or conjecture. Wiki Description should be sterile and factual. Facts, facts and facts. Not opinions. This is a basic requirement.
Wiki Policies do not allow opinions of the "editors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedians)" writing up the articles (so if we do find any, we can dispute it). All information presented has to be sourced to a "reliable source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RS)" which can be verified. The Biman article is a "Featured Article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles)" (and appeared on the front page in September 2008) and would have gone through a number of reviews by editors with no vested interest in Biman either way. As Imran bhai says, there is very little in there that is not factual but if you do find a sentence or paragraph, then you can raise the topic as a discussion point and argue it out with the editors.

Daaang! The whole town turned up :)

i saw the exact same when i flew into ZYL couple of months ago. yeah the whole town showed up.

While I agree with you, here are the thoughts that came across:

3. During the regulated era of Indian aviation, IC was never a great airline per se, but were far more 'predictable' than Biman. .....

I'm not too sure about that back in the 1980s/1990s, IC was notorious for flight delays. They used to routinely have problem maintaining the schedule on may eastern as well as regional routes. DAC was a typical case. I remember I time I was connecting from BOM to DAC via CCU. While I arrived on time from BOM to CCU, the DAC was delayed to the point of torture. I think they eventually stopped serving DAC, owing to equipment shortage?

As for relevance to Wiki, I don't know about ts policies on articles...but I think a visitor to the page may be on the lookout for more than the basic info. Besides, how do one put in the correct basic info about Biman anyways, when Biman itself has no clue? For example, the routes flown and the frequencies - Biman's own website is prehistoric on that point, and citing the same on Wiki would be wrong, and there aren't any easy way to get the correct data because like I said...Biman itself often has no clue!
We know how clueless and incompetent Biman is, but what would it hurt to correct the information as long as somebody has the correct information?
:)

I'm not too sure about that back in the 1980s/1990s, IC was notorious for flight delays. They used to routinely have problem maintaining the schedule on may eastern as well as regional routes. DAC was a typical case. I remember I time I was connecting from BOM to DAC via CCU. While I arrived on time from BOM to CCU, the DAC was delayed to the point of torture. I think they eventually stopped serving DAC, owing to equipment shortage?

We know how clueless and incompetent Biman is, but what would it hurt to correct the information as long as somebody has the correct information?
:)

1. I said IC was far more predictable than Biman...which, even during the 90s (I'm not too sure about the 80s), was true considering the expanse of the route flown in comparison to that of Biman's. :)

2. 'Somebody' like who? ;)

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2. 'Somebody' like who? ;)

Somebody like Imran Asif and/or QGR who appear to be privy to much of BG's inside information. :)

Somebody like Imran Asif and/or QGR who appear to be privy to much of BG's inside information. :)

You can discount me. For what I know, the very people (there are 3-4 of them) who handles the aircraft rotation and the schedule themselves don't know what flights will actually be operated on any given day. There's a hand-written sheet labelled "Aircraft Movement Plan on dd/mm/yy" and on the extreme left column are the aircraft tail numbers (I've been seeing only 6 for quite some time now) and on the right are the flights planned to be operated. Throughout the day, these 3-4 people keep scribbling on that paper...erasing something out of here...adding something there...and making calls to the ops control office next to the tower to tell them what flights should be expected to arrive/depart at what times...which is refreshed/revised every 30 mins.

I'll probably get a few copies of those sheets over from the past week and scan them to post the snapshots here...real interesting stuff! :)

^^

Okay guys, with all the these discussions on wiki article for BG I am yet to find out the incorrect/negative information that should be reviewed or the information that you want to add.... as for pictures, well, I believe Iasif has said it, BG's current picture will hardly make it more presentable.

I fully agree with Manazir on wiki article on Zia though, there's lot of room for improvement. The same applies for other airports... Those who have cool picture without any copy right issue, please feel free to directly upload them or share it here...

As I said, this forum could be the ideal platform for improving the wiki articles on BD aviation, essentially not with the opinion or comments, but with facts.

You can discount me. For what I know, the very people (there are 3-4 of them) who handles the aircraft rotation and the schedule themselves don't know what flights will actually be operated on any given day. There's a hand-written sheet labelled "Aircraft Movement Plan on dd/mm/yy" and on the extreme left column are the aircraft tail numbers (I've been seeing only 6 for quite some time now) and on the right are the flights planned to be operated. Throughout the day, these 3-4 people keep scribbling on that paper...erasing something out of here...adding something there...and making calls to the ops control office next to the tower to tell them what flights should be expected to arrive/depart at what times...which is refreshed/revised every 30 mins.

I'll probably get a few copies of those sheets over from the past week and scan them to post the snapshots here...real interesting stuff! :)

Common mate... be a little more positive will you... you're gonno make all of them scared of flying like me...:cheers:

Common mate... be a little more positive will you... you're gonno make all of them scared of flying like me...:cheers:

Scared of flying? Remember Mr. T in "The A Team"? :D

Best Air to Fly Again from September?

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=97541

Best Air to resume flights in Sept
Unb, Dhaka

Best Air, the country's third private airlines, is likely to resume its flight operation in September after

months of suspension.

“We're planning to stage a comeback in September,” Best Air Chairman M Haider Uzzaman told the news agency over telephone yesterday.

Best Air suspended its flights on February 20 due to financial crisis.

Haider said he is trying to manage funds from different sources to resume the flight operation of his airlines.

Replying to a question, the Best Air chief, whose name was found on the list of loan defaulters, said Best Air will operate its flights on its old routes at the initial stage.

Meanwhile, the Civil Aviation Authority of Bangladesh (CAAB) has suspended operations of four local airlines after the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) raised significant safety concerns over the issuance of air operator certificates by the local regulator. The four carriers are Best Air, Mid Asia, THT and Voyager.

Best Aviation started its journey in 1999 as helicopter operator and then began its operation as a freighter airline in 2000. It obtained license in 2006 from the Civil Aviation Authority to operate passenger service both on international and domestic routes. The company launched its passenger fleet with Boeing 737-200, which was the first in Bangladesh.

The airlines had started its operation on the country's busiest Dhaka-Chittagong route on January 14, 2007 with Boeing 737-200.

Before its discontinuation, the airlines had operated flights to Chittagong, Bangkok, Colombo, Male, Dubai, Singapore and Kuala Lumpur.

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Such poor reporting - you would expect more from The Daily Star. It does not ask whether BestAir has resolved the issues of not paying passenger taxes to the gov't (it's not business tax, it's tax they collected from passengers but never sent the money to the gov't). And operating a 737-200 is a first for BD, but is not really that note-worthy? How does operating a 30 year old plane become praise-worthy? It does not address how BestAir will get out of the CAAB suspension. You don't have to do hard reporting, but cover the basics at least.

I am amazed that these guys are thinking about starting again, and if they do, I would be just shaking my head at CAAB - what standards do they apply for issuing flight operating licenses?

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc

Scared of flying? Remember Mr. T in "The A Team"? :D
Did Mr. T have fear of flying?

Best Air to Fly Again from September?
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You don't have to do hard reporting, but cover the basics at least.

I didn't think the Daily Star stood out as a better newspaper among all the other rags in Bangladesh. If there is no emphasis on professional journalism, and there are basically the same group of folks, the "journalists", who rotate in the media like a revolving door, I do not expect anything better from them. There should be a disclaimer attached to all sources of news from Bangladesh media, "Consume at your own risk".

Scared of flying? Remember Mr. T in "The A Team"? :D

Clearly... there's a lot of similarity between him and me, especially the weight. :)

The cute five-letter Bangla word, 'Biman', the surname of the national airlines, speaks a lot about itself and means a lot to the millions of people. Surnames are perhaps the most favoured and treasured possessions of its holders, and also to the ones who hold someone dearly. Although there have been some attempts in the past to do away with the word, no suitable alternative could be found and nostalgia and our undying love for the mother tongue prevailed, thankfully so. No other Bangla word so aptly and so poignantly describes the entity, the raison d'être and the purpose of the organisation that this small, little word stands for.

Flying is a serious business and the business of flying is even a more serious one. The profession of aviation is a skillfully organized, neatly structured and highly regulated one, be it in the military or in the civil field or even as a sport. Organising personal and general safety of the passengers and the people on the ground, maintaining schedule regularity and ensuring service and comfort for the passengers on the ground and in the air call for extraordinary personal conduct and a deeper sense of commitment and discipline from the crew and the supporting organs on the ground and, in fact, going right up to the highest level in the hierarchy.

The history of commercial aviation is about three quarter of a century old. Although air transportation as an industry has matured over the years, it had its triumphs and tribulations along the flight path. The cruising has never been easy, rather experts have identified that there is a cyclic pattern after every ten years or so. Although the design and manufacture of aircraft, the power plants and the avionics system have undergone phenomenal changes and the supporting system of marketing, reservation, communication, flight planning, navigation facilities and airport services and ground handling , inter alia, have developed and matured with equal pace, it is the other factors like the spiralling fuel price and the travel behaviours of the passengers conditioned heavily by such factors as recession, health and safety concerns, war etc that have acted as significant determinants for the performance and health of the industry from time to time.

Back home, there had been some concern in the recent days about the lack of expertise on commercial aviation in the country. While the observation might be correct, what is also true is that not many educational institutions in the world offer aviation management as a separate discipline by itself, let alone in Bangladesh. Although some professional courses are offered by the IATA and the aircraft manufacturers, it is only recently that some universities have come up with Executive MBA programme in aviation management in the western countries. Be that as it may, this is no way to suggest that we have to hire experts to run the day-to-day affairs of the Biman and to man the Board of Directors of the Biman. Some learned quarters have cast aspersions on the ability of the members of the Board and criticised frequent changes in the Board. While the changes are matters of expediency, their concern about the expertise of the members are ill-founded and without much logic. All the members are luminaries in their respective fields, armed with high education and years of experience in flying, in administration, in jurisprudence and in business and finance. Some even possess the highest level of experience and a high degree of conceptual understanding and skill. And it is that degree of conceptual skill, coupled with the leadership and managerial acumen, that matters most at such levels rather than the technical knowledge per se. Together they provide the vision and guidance to the senior executives who are specialists in their respective areas to run and manage the business and other affairs of the airline. Thus, it would be utterly foolhardy to expect or compare the board of directors of an airline with a medical board where all the members are drawn from the same profession.

A general curiosity: There seems to be a general ambivalence about the Biman. I think such a mood is borne out not so much of antipathy but of a general curiosity mixed with intense interest and a high level of expectations from the airline. The airline is under a constant vigil and always under the critical cursor of the general public and the media. Even an apparently insignificant event hits the headline. The men and women working in the airlines are not oblivious of this high visibility. While they are sensitive to such public sentiment and try to draw lessons from these, what is de-motivating for them is the hyperbole of insinuation of some of the events in which they have hardly any role to play. There is no denying of the fact that where the Biman stands today and how it had come to such a position is due mainly to the hard work and contribution of the thousands of professionals who worked for the airline in the past. Needless to mention that it is very easy to criticise an organisation and bring down an institution, but it is very difficult to build one. And it is even more difficult and takes painstaking effort to rebuild and restore an institution and re-capture its image.

Having been converted into a public limited company, the airline has charted out on a new course and that course is supposed to be run, flown and managed according to its own flight plan. But the going is not going to be easy. With a fleet of a handful of old and vintage aircraft, the airline is passing through a crucial period of its existence that it probably never faced before. These are hard times for the air transportation industry world over. These are hard times for the vary survival of airlines like the Biman. And contrary to the popular belief, I will like to emphatically assert that the Biman, as a business enterprise and national entity, has also matured over the years, occasional hiccups and predicaments notwithstanding. And it is a matter of record that even the well-managed and leading aviation giants of the world are having to count their moments of agony. The Biman family has not given up yet and they will not give up in overcoming the present impasse.

The need of hour: The acquisition of modern, state-of-the-art aircraft has become a sine qua non for the survival of the national flag carrier. Unfortunately, the Biman is still perceived by some as a 38-years-old nationalised entity which is still in its infancy and could not quite grow in terms of infrastructural setup, maturity and responsibility to acquire and assume the modernized role. The facts are otherwise. Contrary to the popular belief -- and I wish to assert this with firm conviction -- the Biman is endowed with a very well-defined and well-structured organisation, physical infrastructure, well laid-out rules and regulations, modern marketing and route network, computerised revenue management system, modern engineering and communication facilities and one of the best team of air and ground crew. What the Biman does not have and needs immediately is a fleet of modern aircraft. The operation of a modern airline is a function of a complex matrix of factors that are mentioned above, more so for a small airline that flies to two dozen or so international destinations. Beauty of air transportation is dispatch regularity, and ensuring safety and comfort of the customers, both in the air and on the ground. And all these are functions of one main variable -- the type of equipment that the airline operates. Except for a few instances, the Biman hardly had the privilege of flying new machines in its 38-year existence. Yet it is expected to compare itself and compete with some of the world class airlines like the Emirates and Singaporean which are lucky to be able to order aircraft right out of the drawing board and act as launch customer.

Happily, there is a silver lining on the horizon. The Biman has signed a contract for purchasing 10 new aircraft from the Boeing. Although previously targeted to be delivered in 2013, the Boeing Company has come forward with an accelerated schedule which could start in two years from now. A definitive agreement has already been signed between the Boeing and the Biman, and what we need now is decisive action and an accelerated decision-making process to materialise the programme. We must not get bogged down in mere semantics in providing organisational and policy support.

The national flag carrier came into being barely within two weeks of our Victory Day. The Biman had the great pride and unique privilege of carrying the national flag of the newly-born nation across the international skies and it has been proudly doing so ever since. But the Biman is in need of support. It needs moral, material, popular and policy support for its survival, for its future growth and for its development.

The writer is the MD & CEO of the Biman.

http://www.thefinancialexpress-bd.com/2009/07/19/73487.html

State-run airline Biman has made a fresh move to secure US $120 million credit from local banks after it got a new lease of life to purchase 10 aircraft from American plane maker Boeing, an official said Saturday.

Biman's new chief executive officer Zakiul Islam said Boeing officials made a new proposal last week easing the payment burden when its sales director Miguel Santos visited Dhaka and met the prime minister, the finance and civil aviation ministers.

The Seattle-based aviation giant has offered a supplementary deal to Biman, allowing the national carrier to take delivery of two fuel efficient Boeing 777-300 ERs aircraft in 2011, two years ahead of the schedule.

"The accelerated deal will be beneficial for Biman, as it will help run our fleet efficiently and cut cost of interest payments," Mr. Zaki told the FE, adding that the deal would have to be signed in about three months.

Biman struck a deal with Boeing in April last year to purchase four 777-300ERs (extended range) and four 787-8s Dreamliners for a colossal $1.27 billion, with purchase rights for four more of each model type.

Two months later it also ordered two more Boeing 737-800, with the average list price of $74.75 million for each aircraft.

The new aircraft --- all must be supplied before 2017 --- would gradually replace Biman's ageing fleet, including the fuel-guzzling four DC-10 which are aged over 28 years.

Under the original deal, Biman was supposed to make a a pre-delivery payment of $32 million startin from July this year. The new deal gives Biman authorities some breathing space after its previous attempt to woo banks got tepid response.

It also eases Biman's terms of payment, as the country's top airline will now have to pay only $120 million in 24 monthly installments, starting from October this year.

"We have to clear the payment in two years before we get the delivery of the two most modern Boeing 777-300ERs aircraft in October 2011," Mr. Zaki, an America-trained ex-air force top officer, said.

The Biman CEO said his company has written letters to 35 local banks and financial institutions to secure finance ahead of signing the supplementary deal with Boeing.

"We hope this time we can arrange the credits from the Bangladeshi banks," he said, adding they needed syndicated loan, as a single bank can't fund the purchase.

Biman had earlier written similar letters to the local banks and some foreign multinational financial giants with operation in Dhaka, but only Citibank NA responded to its call.

The US-based bank later backed off after it failed to secure a guarantee of its loan from Biman's owner, the Bangladesh government.

Biman officials were now hopeful that the new government would bail them out by acting as the guarantor for what would be the largest capital expenditure in the country's history.

Last week when Mr. Santos called on her, Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina assured the Boeing sales director that her government would honor Biman's agreement.

The government turned Biman into a public limited company in 2007, allowing it to run its own affairs without interference from the civil aviation ministry.

The same status also means the government is no longer obliged to bail Biman out if it faces financial difficulty.

Multilateral donor agencies like the International Monetary Fund has opposed the government's guaranteeing the whopping purchase deal with Boeing, saying that the carrier should find fund on its own.

Independent aviation consultant Imran Asif said the latest offer from Boeing would benefit Biman as it gets delivery of planes much ahead of schedule.

"It's a very good opportunity for Biman. It should accept the new Boeing offer without hesitation," Asif told the FE.

"The airline should now concenbtrate devising an effective plan to make maximum use of the aircraft. Otherwise, it will be tough to reap any benefit from the advanced delivery."

Biman airline currently connects Bangladesh with 18 countries with a fleet of eight aircraft including the DC-1Os, two Airbus and two F-28s. The company is now in the process of hiring three more Boeing 777 and two Boeing 737.

Lack of fleet has already forced the national carrier to halt its flights to New York, Paris, Tokyo, Frankfurt, Brussels, Yangon and Mumbai since 2006.

http://www.thefinancialexpress-bd.com/2009/07/19/73564.html

Replying to a question, the Best Air chief, whose name was found on the list of loan defaulters, said Best Air will operate its flights on its old routes at the initial stage.


With his usual standard, that was really an under commitment from Mr. NG... Disappointing!

By the way, he is still trying to find an investor/partner for his airlines... anyone interested?

Did Mr. T have fear of flying?

Completely off topic...but can't resist...from the Wiki page on "B. A. Baracus":He suffers an intense fear of flying ("I ain't gittin' on no plane!"), especially when the plane in question is flown by Murdock. This difficulty is often overcome by other members of the team drugging him, knocking him unconscious, or, as in one episode, hypnotizing him, so he can be transported without objection.

There's always a way or two to get people scared of flying to really fly! :D

Somebody like Imran Asif and/or QGR who appear to be privy to much of BG's inside information. :)Inside information is no good on wiki :ohno:. Have to take info from a published source. Although, a few of Imran bhai's articles are used as source. There's a lot that can be said about Biman if inside information/personal experience was allowed on Wiki and it would make the article even more negative than it is now!

Inside information is no good on wiki :ohno:. Have to take info from a published source. Although, a few of Imran bhai's articles are used as source. There's a lot that can be said about Biman if inside information/personal experience was allowed on Wiki and it would make the article even more negative than it is now!

Okay, let me rephrase. Imran and QGR appear to possess more accurate,up to date informtion on Biman, as well as inside information. How's that? :)

You can discount me. For what I know, the very people (there are 3-4 of them) who handles the aircraft rotation and the schedule themselves don't know what flights will actually be operated on any given day. There's a hand-written sheet labelled "Aircraft Movement Plan on dd/mm/yy" and on the extreme left column are the aircraft tail numbers (I've been seeing only 6 for quite some time now) and on the right are the flights planned to be operated. Throughout the day, these 3-4 people keep scribbling on that paper...erasing something out of here...adding something there...and making calls to the ops control office next to the tower to tell them what flights should be expected to arrive/depart at what times...which is refreshed/revised every 30 mins.

I'll probably get a few copies of those sheets over from the past week and scan them to post the snapshots here...real interesting stuff! :)

So you're telling us that Biman isn't "computerized"? They do not use any flight planning/management/dispatch software, even on a single PC? Well, look at bright side, if most airlines got struck by a major malfuntion or a virus that renders their IT useless, Biman wouldn't miss a beat because they know how to use paper and pencil! :D

Best Air to Fly Again from September?

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=97541

Best Air to resume flights in Sept
Unb, Dhaka


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Such poor reporting - you would expect more from The Daily Star. It does not ask whether BestAir has resolved the issues of not paying passenger taxes to the gov't (it's not business tax, it's tax they collected from passengers but never sent the money to the gov't). And operating a 737-200 is a first for BD, but is not really that note-worthy? How does operating a 30 year old plane become praise-worthy? It does not address how BestAir will get out of the CAAB suspension. You don't have to do hard reporting, but cover the basics at least.

I am amazed that these guys are thinking about starting again, and if they do, I would be just shaking my head at CAAB - what standards do they apply for issuing flight operating licenses?

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc

It's not a DS report. It's an UNB circulation.

And why wouldn't Mr. NG think of "staging a comeback" if he can find another idiot (or a bunch of idiots maybe) to fund his airline?

The cute five-letter Bangla word... future growth and for its development.

The writer is the MD & CEO of the Biman.

http://www.thefinancialexpress-bd.com/2009/07/19/73487.html

Ah….interesting! Yet another Bangladeshi SOE ever-faithful MD in praises of his Board members (and why not, it's not easy to come by and hang on to a neat 6-figure-salary job these days)! I have just one question though: with so much of exceptional people with exceptional qualities at the airline's Board, how come it is in as dilapidated a condition as it is in today?

And I’d like to repeat the same question in reaction to his boasting about Biman’s organizational structure, rules & regulations, modern marketing (!) et al…why is then Biman among the worst-regarded airlines in Asia, and in the world?

State-run airline Biman has made a fresh move to secure US $120 million credit from local banks after it got a new lease of life to purchase 10 aircraft from American plane maker Boeing, an official said Saturday.

Biman's new chief executive officer Zakiul Islam said Boeing officials made a new proposal last week easing the payment burden when its sales director Miguel Santos visited Dhaka and met the prime minister, the finance and civil aviation ministers.

The Seattle-based aviation giant has offered a supplementary deal to Biman, allowing the national carrier to take delivery of two fuel efficient Boeing 777-300 ERs aircraft in 2011, two years ahead of the schedule.

"The accelerated deal will be beneficial for Biman, as it will help run our fleet efficiently and cut cost of interest payments," Mr. Zaki told the FE, adding that the deal would have to be signed in about three months.

Biman struck a deal with Boeing in April last year to purchase four 777-300ERs (extended range) and four 787-8s Dreamliners for a colossal $1.27 billion, with purchase rights for four more of each model type.

Two months later it also ordered two more Boeing 737-800, with the average list price of $74.75 million for each aircraft.

The new aircraft --- all must be supplied before 2017 --- would gradually replace Biman's ageing fleet, including the fuel-guzzling four DC-10 which are aged over 28 years.

Under the original deal, Biman was supposed to make a a pre-delivery payment of $32 million startin from July this year. The new deal gives Biman authorities some breathing space after its previous attempt to woo banks got tepid response.

It also eases Biman's terms of payment, as the country's top airline will now have to pay only $120 million in 24 monthly installments, starting from October this year.

"We have to clear the payment in two years before we get the delivery of the two most modern Boeing 777-300ERs aircraft in October 2011," Mr. Zaki, an America-trained ex-air force top officer, said.

The Biman CEO said his company has written letters to 35 local banks and financial institutions to secure finance ahead of signing the supplementary deal with Boeing.

"We hope this time we can arrange the credits from the Bangladeshi banks," he said, adding they needed syndicated loan, as a single bank can't fund the purchase.

Biman had earlier written similar letters to the local banks and some foreign multinational financial giants with operation in Dhaka, but only Citibank NA responded to its call.

The US-based bank later backed off after it failed to secure a guarantee of its loan from Biman's owner, the Bangladesh government.

Biman officials were now hopeful that the new government would bail them out by acting as the guarantor for what would be the largest capital expenditure in the country's history.

Last week when Mr. Santos called on her, Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina assured the Boeing sales director that her government would honor Biman's agreement.

The government turned Biman into a public limited company in 2007, allowing it to run its own affairs without interference from the civil aviation ministry.

The same status also means the government is no longer obliged to bail Biman out if it faces financial difficulty.

Multilateral donor agencies like the International Monetary Fund has opposed the government's guaranteeing the whopping purchase deal with Boeing, saying that the carrier should find fund on its own.

Independent aviation consultant Imran Asif said the latest offer from Boeing would benefit Biman as it gets delivery of planes much ahead of schedule.

"It's a very good opportunity for Biman. It should accept the new Boeing offer without hesitation," Asif told the FE.

"The airline should now concenbtrate devising an effective plan to make maximum use of the aircraft. Otherwise, it will be tough to reap any benefit from the advanced delivery."

Biman airline currently connects Bangladesh with 18 countries with a fleet of eight aircraft including the DC-1Os, two Airbus and two F-28s. The company is now in the process of hiring three more Boeing 777 and two Boeing 737.

Lack of fleet has already forced the national carrier to halt its flights to New York, Paris, Tokyo, Frankfurt, Brussels, Yangon and Mumbai since 2006.

http://www.thefinancialexpress-bd.com/2009/07/19/73564.html

not only getting new aircrafts would be good, they also have to update BG website and make it look attractive! Also, sumthin needs to be done about those crews who cant fit in the aisles lol. They must clean the interiors every time, provide good service, improve meals menu (perhaps) and a lotta other stuff!

lol 2day at 4: 30 AM, ive seen the BG DC-10 take-off frm MCT :)

Ah….interesting! Yet another Bangladeshi SOE ever-faithful MD in praises of his Board members (and why not, it's not easy to come by and hang on to a neat 6-figure-salary job these days)! I have just one question though: with so much of exceptional people with exceptional qualities at the airline's Board, how come it is in as dilapidated a condition as it is in today?

And I’d like to repeat the same question in reaction to his boasting about Biman’s organizational structure, rules & regulations, modern marketing (!) et al…why is then Biman among the worst-regarded airlines in Asia, and in the world?

Why does this guy -- supposedly so well qualified and educated, keep referring to the airline as 'the Biman' and not simply 'Biman'?? :)

Coming back to the main point -- has the 'churi' and the looting subsided somewhat, considering Biman is under such a spotlight nowadays. I'm afraid to ask -- but inquiring minds want to know :)

Why does this guy -- supposedly so well qualified and educated, keep referring to the airline as 'the Biman' and not simply 'Biman'?? :)

Maybe because he feels using the preposition makes his convictions stronger! ;)

Coming back to the main point -- has the 'churi' and the looting subsided somewhat, considering Biman is under such a spotlight nowadays. I'm afraid to ask -- but inquiring minds want to know :)

The activities you're referring to has only taken a new height. There has been gross looting involved in the 737 lease from Pegasus, and a similar attempt is being made for the 777s and as well as in the case of leasing the 747 for Hajj.

So long Biman will remain under govt ownership by majority, these issues will remain incorrigible.

Two months later it also ordered two more Boeing 737-800, with the average list price of $74.75 million for each aircraft.


errr, isn't spilling the beans like this, a breach of contract.

Hey guys totally of the topic here. i thought i might share a joke with you guys some of you probably heard it before.

History in the making:

After digging to a depth of 100m last year, Russian scientists found
traces of copper wire dating back 1000 years. They came to the
conclusion that their ancestors already had a telephone network one
thousand years ago.

Not to be outdone, in the weeks that followed, American scientists dug
200m and headlines in the US papers read: "US scientists have found
traces of 2000 year old OPTICAL FIBRES, and have concluded that their
ancestors already had advanced high-tech digital telecommunications 1000
years earlier than the Russians."

One week later, the Bangladeshi newspapers reported the following:
After digging as deep as 500m, Bangladeshi scientists have found
absolutely NOTHING. They have concluded that 5000 years ago, their
Ancestors were already using WIRELESS technology.

Why does this guy -- supposedly so well qualified and educated, keep referring to the airline as 'the Biman' and not simply 'Biman'?? :)

Coming back to the main point -- has the 'churi' and the looting subsided somewhat, considering Biman is under such a spotlight nowadays. I'm afraid to ask -- but inquiring minds want to know :)

From what I hear, the said "churi" has taken off with supersonic speed and has overshot the moon already ... not just at Biman, but everywhere else, post elected government.

not only getting new aircrafts would be good, they also have to update BG website and make it look attractive! Also, sumthin needs to be done about those crews who cant fit in the aisles lol. They must clean the interiors every time, provide good service, improve meals menu (perhaps) and a lotta other stuff!

lol 2day at 4: 30 AM, ive seen the BG DC-10 take-off frm MCT :)

Their website shall not take on a better appearance nor will it be functional for years to come ... not until they find value in it.

I really got to see these weight challenged cabin attendants that you folks seem to talk so much about, with my own eyes to believe it.

While BG meals could be better I don't expect much since the taste in food is so subjective and localized.

Overall on board service save for the meals, has not been poor as I have experienced. Perhaps it is because the service of the US carriers are so horrible that our expectation bar is below sea level!

errr, isn't spilling the beans like this, a breach of contract.

Disclosing the value of the order at list prices isn't a violation of the contract, but disclosing the actual prices is, which has already been done immediately after the signing ceremony last year in April and several times thereafter while Biman spoke to the press! ;)

Their website shall not take on a better appearance nor will it be functional for years to come ... not until they find value in it.

I really got to see these weight challenged cabin attendants that you folks seem to talk so much about, with my own eyes to believe it.

While BG meals could be better I don't expect much since the taste in food is so subjective and localized.

Overall on board service save for the meals, has not been poor as I have experienced. Perhaps it is because the service of the US carriers are so horrible that our expectation bar is below sea level!

Except the timing, my experiences with BG are generally good, as far as meal, cleanliness and cabin crews are concerned (physical size and shape of the crews apart... I haven't really seen them having problem in walking through the aisles, though I would essentially prefer them to a bit slimmer, younger and prettier... but that's relative). Timing in most of the cases were horrible and in-flight entertainment was totally absent (both of these problems should be addressed with the new fleet). The attendants, however, differentiate the passengers based on the profile/appearance and regularly misbehave with the worker/labor type passengers which at times are pathetic to watch.

....though I would essentially prefer them to a bit slimmer, younger and prettier... but that's relative).
Then you'd be aghast to see the cabin attendants in this country. The come in all sizes, shapes and features. And seniority rules the roost.
The attendants, however, differentiate the passengers based on the profile/appearance and regularly misbehave with the worker/labor type passengers which at times are pathetic to watch.
This tendency appears to be exist with other carriers as well. I have witnessed such behavior on BA and EK flights. Unless management is cognizant of this fact and "re-program" their staff, the attitude will persist.

I remember a few years ago when i was returning back to the uk. the BG flight i was on DXB-LHR the crew had changed at DXB. the new crew that took over were good looking and slim. they very polite and well spoken in english the service they gave to the PAX was one of the Best. I heard some some PAX saying that they are indian bengali not sure if that is true. when i travelled this year LHR-DXB it was a mixed crew of male and female who i believed looked after the PAX very well. then from DXB-DAC i think the cabin crew was 80% male and 20% female. the dude who served my meal was maybe in his mid 60's. spoke to me in bengali that i did not understand when i told him in english i dont understand he was struggling to reply in english.

also talkin about Websites dont you think RBA website looks abit like EK old website?

Then you'd be aghast to see the cabin attendants in this country. The come in all sizes, shapes and features. And seniority rules the roost.

This tendency appears to be exist with other carriers as well. I have witnessed such behavior on BA and EK flights. Unless management is cognizant of this fact and "re-program" their staff, the attitude will persist.

yeah I also heard about the behaviour in Arab carriers. I dint fly EK or GF so I dunno how the crews behave with Bangladeshis but in QR and EY, they behaved really well, not bad! :)

I was at ZIA this afternoon and saw an RBA Dash-8 parked at the remote apron of the export cargo ramp, behind the burnt Saudi 747 and Kabo's parked 747, next to the MD-80 of Z5. I can't readily recall but does RBA have 2x Dash-8s? Otherwise I believe their operations are suspended now...until that parked Dash-8 returns to service? Anyone in the know as to why that aircraft is parked?

I remember a few years ago when i was returning back to the uk. the BG flight i was on DXB-LHR the crew had changed at DXB. the new crew that took over were good looking and slim. they very polite and well spoken in english the service they gave to the PAX was one of the Best. I heard some some PAX saying that they are indian bengali not sure if that is true. when i travelled this year LHR-DXB it was a mixed crew of male and female who i believed looked after the PAX very well. then from DXB-DAC i think the cabin crew was 80% male and 20% female. the dude who served my meal was maybe in his mid 60's. spoke to me in bengali that i did not understand when i told him in english i dont understand he was struggling to reply in english.

I thought u knew Bangla :|

I was at ZIA this afternoon and saw an RBA Dash-8 parked at the remote apron of the export cargo ramp, behind the burnt Saudi 747 and Kabo's parked 747, next to the MD-80 of Z5. I can't readily recall but does RBA have 2x Dash-8s? Otherwise I believe their operations are suspended now...until that parked Dash-8 returns to service? Anyone in the know as to why that aircraft is parked?

RBA had a couple of Dash-8s (one painted in yellowish color on the tail while the other in black and white), but owns only one of them as far as I can recall. Their operation is suspended presently due to unavailability of aircraft.

This tendency appears to be exist with other carriers as well. I have witnessed such behavior on BA and EK flights. Unless management is cognizant of this fact and "re-program" their staff, the attitude will persist.

While in the service industry you have to respect all your customer, but to be fair on the attendants' part, I have to acknowledge the fact that at times its really difficult to handle people who are not only ignorant about air journey but also unruly and to some extent vulgar. I've been on a EK flight where the fire alarm goes buzz twice in a DAC-DXB flight despite repeated request not to smoke in the toilet. In MH flights to and from DAC you'll regularly see attendants been struggling with people continuously asking for alcoholic beverages. For BG, the problems are more acute, as most of the people do believe that they can do away with whatever they want...

While in the service industry you have to respect all your customer, but to be fair on the attendants' part, I have to acknowledge the fact that at times its really difficult to handle people who are not only ignorant about air journey but also unruly and to some extent vulgar. I've been on a EK flight where the fire alarm goes buzz twice in a DAC-DXB flight despite repeated request not to smoke in the toilet. In MH flights to and from DAC you'll regularly see attendants been struggling with people continuously asking for alcoholic beverages. For BG, the problems are more acute, as most of the people do believe that they can do away with whatever they want...

I do not know why airlines do not resort to stern actions for violation of carrier/iata/icao laws and rules, by clearly articulating those laws and rules in plain Bangla and then prosecute one or two. Folks here are quite compliant owing to such tactics employed by the airlines, from time to time. What are they afraid of? Losing customers? As if they have so many choices!

I thought u knew Bangla :|

hey i m not fluent in bengali if any bengali i understand or speak is the sylheti. when it comes to dhakai language its like another language to me. i speak more english then bengali.

RBA had a couple of Dash-8s (one painted in yellowish color on the tail while the other in black and white), but owns only one of them as far as I can recall. Their operation is suspended presently due to unavailability of aircraft.

Wrong! RBA has ONLY ONE dash-8. S2 AEL

It is currently going through some checks, hance the schedual flights are temporary suspended. But who cares, as if their lone dash-8 will be missed! How many pax do they carry daily anyway? I am sure that can/will be carried by Biman, GMG & United any day.

It's time for the tiger to get back to sundorbhon, and sleep:lol:

hey i m not fluent in bengali if any bengali i understand or speak is the sylheti. when it comes to dhakai language its like another language to me. i speak more english then bengali.

Bro,totaly understand, just don't bother flying Biman or Baimaan as ZYL people like to call it, ever again.

also talkin about Websites dont you think RBA website looks abit like EK old website?

^^what web site, they haven't even updated it since their launch flight, back last year!!!!

Bro,totaly understand, just don't bother flying Biman or Baimaan as ZYL people like to call it, ever again.

i dont have a problem with Biman i enjoy travelling with biman. one thing i believe they need to improve on is that their cabin crew needs to speak and understand english.

a classical on biman is when you board the aircraft you cant find your seat if u do find it some one has taken it and you have to fight for it.

But who cares, as if their lone dash-8 will be missed! How many pax do they carry daily anyway? I am sure that can/will be carried by Biman, GMG & United any day.

It's time for the tiger to get back to sundorbhon, and sleep:lol:

By now you probably know that I'm not in defenses of any particular local operator...and I'm a firm believer in not underestimating fellow competitor, irrespective of their size and stature. RBA is the smallest local operator by fleet, there's no question about that...but if anyone dismisses them completely before it's really all over, they may be caught off-guard themselves at a point of time.

Come to think of it...if fleet size was everything for survival, as you indicate, Pan Am would've been the # 1 airline by now, and for ever and a day.

Bro,totaly understand, just don't bother flying Biman or Baimaan as ZYL people like to call it, ever again.

1. I don't think Abdul was particularly complaining about his flight with Biman. He only stated the difficulty in conversing in English with the Bangladeshi cabin crew, which is more understandable than a Bangladeshi not being able to speak in Bangla! I completely understand the limitations you may have, as I myself would've been the same if I were in your/Abdul's place...but as understandable as that is, it is even more understandable if a cabin crew of a third-world state-owned carrier fail to converse fluently in English.

2. And as a matter of fact, with even my very moderate capabilities in spoken English, I have found (from my own personal experiences) the cabin crews of the local pvt operators almost equally challenged as those in BG when it came to conversing in English.

^^what web site, they haven't even updated it since their launch flight, back last year!!!!

None of the local operators' websites are worth anything to write home about. GMG's is primitive, and United's is a let-down in terms of functionality as opposed to the impressive home page. Biman's is not worth mentioning anyways.

Just had a look at Uniteds websites seems like are updating their news and event section on a regularly bases. although the website is still under construction. i would say out of all the bd private carrier United has the best website.

one of their objective is to be the best in the aviation industry. will they do it? i personally think they can do it as long as politics dont come in the way.

also talkin about Websites dont you think RBA website looks abit like EK old website?

It's definately a copy of the old EK. I did once tell them only to be ignored. lol

^^what web site, they haven't even updated it since their launch flight, back last year!!!!

Although it is a copy I must admit it was (sure still is) the best Bangladeshi airline website at its time when everything was updated regularly.

By now you probably know that I'm not in defenses of any particular local operator...and I'm a firm believer in not underestimating fellow competitor, irrespective of their size and stature. RBA is the smallest local operator by fleet, there's no question about that...but if anyone dismisses them completely before it's really all over, they may be caught off-guard themselves at a point of time.

Should we watch this space then Imran bhai? You seem to be withholding information. What are they upto now?

Akbar1 (or Imran bhai) how was United's maiden flight to Dubai?

Was it a success and on time?

hey i m not fluent in bengali if any bengali i understand or speak is the sylheti. when it comes to dhakai language its like another language to me. i speak more english then bengali.

Sylheti is Bangla too. You mean you did not learn Bangla as in to read and write?

Sylheti is Bangla too. You mean you did not learn Bangla as in to read and write?


yep thats correct. i wish i did tho.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/archives/173682.asp

Akbar1 (or Imran bhai) how was United's maiden flight to Dubai?

Was it a success and on time?

It didn't fly yet. After 16th, date was given for 23rd and then 26th. Something to do with PM's schedule for inauguration.

Should we watch this space then Imran bhai? You seem to be withholding information. What are they upto now?

I'm not withholding any info about RBA or United, since I don't really keep tracking them but the reason I said that is because underestimation and immature acts have been the reason for any operators to face its darkest days. I never mentioned this here before, but Z5 did underestimate both RBA and United to the point that they were saying that these two airlines begged to get sold out to Z5 (talking about Q1 2008). Now that was sheer immaturity on their part to go around and boast about that, even if that was true, simply because until it happened there was no reason to go all ga-ga about it.

Tables can turn, and turn fast!

It didn't fly yet. After 16th, date was given for 23rd and then 26th. Something to do with PM's schedule for inauguration.

Oh, of course! GMG inaugurated their DXB flight with the then Spcl Asst to the CA, and their good old friend, Mahbub Jamil...so United will have to "trump" them by having the PM to do it for them.

How the apparently grown-ups often behave like petulant little children!

http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/archives/173682.asp

Na na na...let's be positive...and here's a wicked way: the hole is just the size of a football...not big enough to suck us out...and besides, me and QGR are big guys...we can just sit on such a hole and plug it! :D

^^ LMAO!!! :lol:

Na na na...let's be positive...and here's a wicked way: the hole is just the size of a football...not big enough to suck us out...and besides, me and QGR are big guys...we can just sit on such a hole and plug it! :D

Phoo... football size hole... they need to make it 20 times bigger for me...

Having said that, I would mind even a marble size whole in the aircaraft while I am on board. Specially as I am looking forward to travel by China Easterns' 737 this Friday to Beijing...

Phoo... football size hole... they need to make it 20 times bigger for me...

Having said that, I would mind even a marble size whole in the aircaraft while I am on board. Specially as I am looking forward to travel by China Easterns' 737 this Friday to Beijing...

I have one word advice for you: Xanax (or Valium). Bon Voyage! Don't forget to say hello to Mr. Hu Jintao for me. :D

Going through all your discussions esp ( Imran Asif ) , I have gained some very interesting and valuable information regarding the aviation sector. I had a few questions that was bugging me,

1. which aircraft do you think is most suited for the domestic routes?

2. which aircraft is most suited for short-medium range flights? ( international )

3. For a debutant airline company how does Muscat, Bahrain, London, Riyadh routes look ?

Oh, of course! GMG inaugurated their DXB flight with the then Spcl Asst to the CA, and their good old friend, Mahbub Jamil...so United will have to "trump" them by having the PM to do it for them.

How the apparently grown-ups often behave like petulant little children!

Such acts are I suppose, very relevant in Bangladesh? :ohno:

Going through all your discussions esp ( Imran Asif ) , I have gained some very interesting and valuable information regarding the aviation sector. I had a few questions that was bugging me,

1. which aircraft do you think is most suited for the domestic routes?

2. which aircraft is most suited for short-medium range flights? ( international )

3. For a debutant airline company how does Muscat, Bahrain, London, Riyadh routes look ?

1. Depends on what market you're aiming at. Are you aiming at the existing domestic air traveller's market or are you planning to try and carve a new segment? For example, Air Deccan actually created a new market for themselves not just by offering low fares, but more by serving city pairs that were not served by the other pvt operators. In the context of Bangladesh, such uniquely potential city pairs are very limited, but there's certainly a prospect in creating a new market by offering 'value' fares and by offering innovative packages.

2. Again depends on your target customers, and the specific routes intended to be served.

3. The points your mentioned (ME and LHR) don't arouse me too much. The problem is on these routes, you'll be exposed to potential threats that may be difficult for you to sustain as a debutant airline. Those threats may or may not come through, but its a risk nevertheless. Moreover, on those routes, you're yield potentials will also be restricted as you'll have to work out fares which will be competitive to the ones already available from other carriers. This can be difficult considering that your start-up costs will have a greater effect on your costing than those airlines who are already well-footed and have their risks spread over a much larger network. The only way I think it's worth thinking about these routes is by exploring the possibilities of offering an unique product, for which there isn't any immediate comparison.

Guys i remember reading ages ago that CGP was to get privatised and i believe it was TG that wanted to take over for 10 years what happened to that and why didnt it happen? maybe it was disscussed before. I dont see why the GoB/CAAB just privatise the airports of bangladesh. Like BAA

Guys i remember reading ages ago that CGP was to get privatised and i believe it was TG that wanted to take over for 10 years what happened to that and why didnt it happen? maybe it was disscussed before. I dont see why the GoB/CAAB just privatise the airports of bangladesh. Like BAA

It didn't get through because: (i) Biman's ground handling staff opposed it and, (ii) the Mayor of Ctg prevented it. The opposition/prevention was put up for wrong and political reasons but from what I heard later last year, the terms of the Agreement was almost entirely favouring the Thai and not so much for Bangladesh.

Surprise: New Aviation Minister/New Cabinet!


Monday July 20 2009 23:11:09 PM BDT


By Monirul Islam , Egypt


Although GM Quader is not the person to blame totally, as he has not been able to perform to the expectation of the government, his job is under axe unfortunately. After State Minister for Home Affairs Sohel Taj’s resignation, GM Quader is going to be the second casualty. Brand new Aircraft for Biman, the Boeing 1.26 billion dollar deal is the centre issue. Recent visit of the Boeing top executive and his unusual meeting with PM Sheikh Hasina may shade some light to this issue.

What is more surprising is the selection of an MP from Barishal, an Air Cmdr. (rtd) by the name Rafiqul Islam, who has served under the present Chairman of Biman board, also another retired Air Vice Marshal from Bangladesh Air Force Jamaluddin, who had close connection to MIG 29 fiasco. Rafiqul Islam served Biman as Managing Director and at the time he was new to the corporate world; and as time goes by, his growing interest in Business and politics is very interesting. It is quite understandable why our PM choose her old confidant as new Biman Chairman, as she finds him the fittest among all to handle the Biman 1.26 billion dollar deal. The selection of Rafiqul Islam is going to make that team stronger. But to our surprise we are eagerly waiting to see how an ex-Chief of Air Force is going to serve under his most favorite squadron boy, a junior officer, often this phenomenon is customarily taken as an insult…but hhere bigger stake is involved.

I have written directly to Mr. GM Quader, our PM’s office, written several article in the local newspaper and website to bring to the attention of the concern authorities and I hope correct decision will be taken. The contract signed between Biman and Boeing is not at all flawless as this deal was signed during the military backed caretaker government of Dr. Fakruddin Ahmed. Us Ambassador to this country was very active as this is not unusual for him to protect the interest of Boeing; on the contrary it was our specially appointed Aviation advisor Mr. Jamilur Reza, who played a very vital role by making necessary, but very quick adjustment to Biman Board of Director to ensure that the deal does go through. A person by the name Grp. Capt. (rtd) Saukatul Islam, who is well known for his unofficial Boeing agency role in this project, carefully made the drama-stage where the mechanism was engineered finally. But it is interesting to see him removed just days before from the Biman advisory role before Jamilur Reza take-over. I hope the readers will be able to see the conspiratory role behind why Biman was made a P.Lc so quickly?

I hope the Boeing deal will be fully investigated. Situation is very much different now in international aviation. Anyone with simple mathematical skill will be able to appreciate that saving 500 to 600 million dollars by buy the similar aircraft from market is now a very much practical option. As the global economy is dull and travel industry is going through toughest time, more and more airline are falling out of the sky, making buying aircraft more lucrative than ever.

Sheikh Monirul Islam, Opee
Alexandria, Egypt
E Mail :opshelley@yahoo.com

http://newsfrombangladesh.net/view.php?hidRecord=275484

Such acts are I suppose, very relevant in Bangladesh? :ohno:

Childish it might be, but in Buniness it might be a child who has the best marketing creativatity!!

If someone is boosting about buying out your company/competitor, than rightfully you need to ask them "put money where your mouth is"?

This is United's way of showing the finger to GMG! :lol:

One must have fun in Business, and when it is on your competitor, it dosen't get any sweeter. :cheers:

yep thats correct. i wish i did tho.

^^It's not your fault, and along with 100,000 young British Bangladeshis, they will agree with you.

It's not an excuss for Biman to hide under the 3rd World country banner! English is the Internation language, and if Biman is flying into the UK, it's a must to have cabin crew to be able to speak atleast the basic English. After all, the pax are paying 1st world country fares price! Atleast you could speak in Sylheti, which is also Bangla. Just imagaine, if it was a European customer, what would he have done then? It's outragous, why put a cabin crew on a internation leg of the flight if he can't talk basic English. It also raises further questions, wheter that individual will be able to carry out his duty in an Emergancy situation? Surely they do not provide the entire cabin crew trainning in Bangla?

It's narrow minded thinking like this that prevents Biman from providing the basic customer service to it's paying customer. Biman is obously, taking advice from the wrong consultants/advisiors.:ohno:

2. And as a matter of fact, with even my very moderate capabilities in spoken English, I have found (from my own personal experiences) the cabin crews of the local pvt operators almost equally challenged as those in BG when it came to conversing in English.




None of the local operators' websites are worth anything to write home about. GMG's is primitive, and United's is a let-down in terms of functionality as opposed to the impressive home page. Biman's is not worth mentioning anyways.

A UK businessman, whom is apperantly somehow connected with Aviana/RBA and two founder directors of United (BD) Ltd, one being Mr Shabu Nawas, also UK resident. Are in the process of setting up a cabin crew trainning school near Gatwick/Crawley town. To train up young British Asian/Bangladeshis for the future. The aim is to have stock of cabin crew who will be able to serve on asian airlines with fluent English, who will be asian/Bangladeshi origin yet have a western appearance & educated.

The first batch of graduates will be ready for United & RBA and appenantly PIA has also showen some interest with some UK Pakistanis getting on board as well. I think there is a UK/Pakistani airline taking some sort of shape under the banner of "Air Zindabad".:hilarious

But if they can pull it off, maybe Biman might consider employeeing some of them on their UK/European flights too. Good Luck to them I say.:cheers:

1. Depends on what market you're aiming at. Are you aiming at the existing domestic air traveller's market or are you planning to try and carve a new segment? For example, Air Deccan actually created a new market for themselves not just by offering low fares, but more by serving city pairs that were not served by the other pvt operators. In the context of Bangladesh, such uniquely potential city pairs are very limited, but there's certainly a prospect in creating a new market by offering 'value' fares and by offering innovative packages.

2. Again depends on your target customers, and the specific routes intended to be served.

3. The points your mentioned (ME and LHR) don't arouse me too much. The problem is on these routes, you'll be exposed to potential threats that may be difficult for you to sustain as a debutant airline. Those threats may or may not come through, but its a risk nevertheless. Moreover, on those routes, you're yield potentials will also be restricted as you'll have to work out fares which will be competitive to the ones already available from other carriers. This can be difficult considering that your start-up costs will have a greater effect on your costing than those airlines who are already well-footed and have their risks spread over a much larger network. The only way I think it's worth thinking about these routes is by exploring the possibilities of offering an unique product, for which there isn't any immediate comparison.

1. I would go for B737-800NG
2. I would go for B787-8/B787-9 :)

Surprise: New Aviation Minister/New Cabinet!


Monday July 20 2009 23:11:09 PM BDT


By Monirul Islam , Egypt


http://newsfrombangladesh.net/view.php?hidRecord=275484

I never tend to lose the minimum degree of modesty and decency that I always believe I should maintain, but this man, in my humble opinion, belongs to a lunatic asylum.

It's not even worth commenting anything on what he says.

Childish it might be, but in Buniness it might be a child who has the best marketing creativatity!!

If someone is boosting about buying out your company/competitor, than rightfully you need to ask them "put money where your mouth is"?

This is United's way of showing the finger to GMG! :lol:

One must have fun in Business, and when it is on your competitor, it dosen't get any sweeter. :cheers:

1. Pardon my failure to comprehend, but what is exactly 'creative' about inaugurating a new route by the PM? It's not that our PM's (from all regimes) never inaugurated anything, or is it? Btw, going by your theory, did you pass on the idea to United to consider appointing adolescents in the posts requiring creativity? The logo and particularly the font used seems to have sprung from the 'well-under-puberty' bracket of people. Creative indeed! ;)

2. The attitude shown by GMG to United/RBA last year is quite similar to the attitude you seem to have towards RBA. Is this the popular belief here or am I the odd one?

3. In my own personal taste, the "showing the finger" attitude is a moronic one.

4. You could be surprised to see how quickly an 'unnecessary' fun at the expense of your competitor(s) can turn sour for you. I sincerely hope it doesn't happen though!

^^It's not your fault, and along with 100,000 young British Bangladeshis, they will agree with you.

It's not an excuss for Biman to hide under the 3rd World country banner! English is the Internation language, and if Biman is flying into the UK, it's a must to have cabin crew to be able to speak atleast the basic English. After all, the pax are paying 1st world country fares price! Atleast you could speak in Sylheti, which is also Bangla. Just imagaine, if it was a European customer, what would he have done then? It's outragous, why put a cabin crew on a internation leg of the flight if he can't talk basic English. It also raises further questions, wheter that individual will be able to carry out his duty in an Emergancy situation? Surely they do not provide the entire cabin crew trainning in Bangla?

It's narrow minded thinking like this that prevents Biman from providing the basic customer service to it's paying customer. Biman is obously, taking advice from the wrong consultants/advisiors.:ohno:

excuss = excuse
internation = international
atleast = at least
imagaine = imagine
outragous = outrageous
wheter = whether
emergancy = emergency
trainning = training
obously = obviously
advisiors = advisors

Not getting into the grammar part.

You see, everyone has limitations...you, me, everyone! It doesn't take us to be in the land of the Englishmen to be flawless in English, and vice versa. Compare yourself, or all of us here, to those doing the job of the cabin crews at Biman and you'll know the much bigger margin for error they're rightfully entitled to.

We even have a spell-checker here to make use of...lucky, no? :)

1. I would go for B737-800NG
2. I would go for B787-8/B787-9 :)

1. B737-800NG for domestic ops in Bangladesh = suicide.

2. B787-8/-9 are ultra-long haul/long-haul birds. He was talking about short-to-medium, for which there are several options depending on various factors...but the relevant 787 model is the -3.

^^It's not your fault, and along with 100,000 young British Bangladeshis, they will agree with you.

It's not an excuss for Biman to hide under the 3rd World country banner! English is the Internation language, and if Biman is flying into the UK, it's a must to have cabin crew to be able to speak atleast the basic English. After all, the pax are paying 1st world country fares price! Atleast you could speak in Sylheti, which is also Bangla. Just imagaine, if it was a European customer, what would he have done then? It's outragous, why put a cabin crew on a internation leg of the flight if he can't talk basic English. It also raises further questions, wheter that individual will be able to carry out his duty in an Emergancy situation? Surely they do not provide the entire cabin crew trainning in Bangla?

It's narrow minded thinking like this that prevents Biman from providing the basic customer service to it's paying customer. Biman is obously, taking advice from the wrong consultants/advisiors.:ohno:

i agree with you when it comes to when it comes to an emergency. the language used in aviation is English. yes dont be fluent in speakin english. but trying to speaking the basic english can make a difference in ones journey on BG

It didn't get through because: (i) Biman's ground handling staff opposed it and, (ii) the Mayor of Ctg prevented it. The opposition/prevention was put up for wrong and political reasons but from what I heard later last year, the terms of the Agreement was almost entirely favouring the Thai and not so much for Bangladesh.


why was Biman ground handling staff opposing it? was thai planning to employ new staff for the job or would they have just taken on Biman existing ground handling staff to avoid redundancy

i am sure the new management would run the CGP professionally, where CAAB maybe able to learn how to run a international airport.

i agree with you when it comes to when it comes to an emergency. the language used in aviation is English. yes dont be fluent in speakin english. but trying to speaking the basic english can make a difference in ones journey on BG
do you not know that so many people died for the language called bangla? so it is the up most priority of biman to protect this language

why was Biman ground handling staff opposing it? was thai planning to employ new staff for the or would they have just taken on Biman ground handling staff?

i am sure the new management would run the airport professionally where CAAB maybe able to learn how to run a international airport.
because all these incompetent bastards would have been out of the payroll and the but i doubt the harassment of poor customers by the customs would have stoped.

1. Pardon my failure to comprehend, but what is exactly 'creative' about inaugurating a new route by the PM? It's not that our PM's (from all regimes) never inaugurated anything, or is it? Btw, going by your theory, did you pass on the idea to United to consider appointing adolescents in the posts requiring creativity? The logo and particularly the font used seems to have sprung from the 'well-under-puberty' bracket of people. Creative indeed! ;)

2. The attitude shown by GMG to United/RBA last year is quite similar to the attitude you seem to have towards RBA. Is this the popular belief here or am I the odd one?

3. In my own personal taste, the "showing the finger" attitude is a moronic one.

4. You could be surprised to see how quickly an 'unnecessary' fun at the expense of your competitor(s) can turn sour for you. I sincerely hope it doesn't happen though!

I love your 1st comment. :rofl:

excuss = excuse
internation = international
atleast = at least
imagaine = imagine
outragous = outrageous
wheter = whether
emergancy = emergency
trainning = training
obously = obviously
advisiors = advisors

Not getting into the grammar part.

You see, everyone has limitations...you, me, everyone! It doesn't take us to be in the land of the Englishmen to be flawless in English, and vice versa. Compare yourself, or all of us here, to those doing the job of the cabin crews at Biman and you'll know the much bigger margin for error they're rightfully entitled to.

We even have a spell-checker here to make use of...lucky, no? :)

Since when this forum became a English grammar School?^^
YES, I did not use the spell-checker before I posted my comments, BUT, atleast, if I were specking these words out loud, my spelling would not have mattered.

Hence I was saying:when BG is flying into Europe, their so called cabin crew's need to have the basic listening & speaking English knowledge I am not talking about reading & writing, as you trying to point out. You as an aviation expert, seem to disagree with me, why?

do you not know that so many people died for the language called bangla? so it is the up most priority of biman to protect this language


yes i do no that my ancestors have fought in a war for the BANGLA language also my ancestors did not have a war with the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) to make the aviation language BANGLA instead of English. the aviation and international language is english where it is understood worldwide. theres no harm in learning the basic english especially in a job where you will be faced with different walks of live. it still makes you Bengali not English

Since when this forum became a English grammar School?^^
YES, I did not use the spell-checker before I posted my comments, BUT, atleast, if I were specking these words out loud, my spelling would not have mattered.

I was simply say:when BG is flying into Europe, their so called cabin crew's need to have the basic English knowledge. You as an aviation expert, seem to disagree with me, why?
since the day biman converted to an all english staff knaw mean!

because all these incompetent bastards would have been out of the payroll and the but i doubt the harassment of poor customers by the customs would have stoped.

what we do in the UK is when a customer is Harassing a employee we call the police have them removed from the building. but it still doesnt mean you as a employee shouldnt do your job properly. if you keep the customers happy there will not be a harassment.

yes i do no that my ancestors have fought in a war for the BANGLA language also my ancestors did not have a war with the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) to make the aviation language BANGLA instead of English. the aviation and international language is english where it is understood worldwide. theres no harm in learning the basic english especially in a job where you will be faced with different walks of live. it still makes you Bengali not English
an airline reppin da bangla land will do in bangla what cha gonna do? its their way or the highway!

you see in bangladesh the average person has a hard time communicating in english because thats how they have been brought up! so the heads of biman fail to apprehend the necessity and unless we have another cultural revolution in bd things are going to go for the worst for the majority

what we do in the UK is when a customer is Harassing a employee we call the police have them removed from the building. but it still doesnt mean you as a employee shouldnt do your job properly. if you keep the customers happy there will not be a harassment.
in bd its the exact opposite the govt employees always will harass the poor customers and try to be a slave of the rich customer, you think the police in bd will come to the aid of the victim?

an airline reppin da bangla land will do in bangla what cha gonna do? its their way or the highway!

you see in bangladesh the average person has a hard time communicating in english because thats how they have been brought up! so the heads of biman fail to apprehend the necessity and unless we have another cultural revolution in bd things are going to go for the worst for the majority



so i take it ATC in bangladesh speak to the foreign airline pilots in bangla instead of english. when biman flys into the european countries where the crew change over and stay a night or two in a european country what do they do? does Biman provide them with interpreturs?

so i take it ATC in bangladesh speak to the foreign airline pilots in bangla instead of english. when biman flys into the european countries where the crew change over and stay a night or two in a european country what do they do? does Biman provide them with interpreturs?
they might you know thats why their profits are in the negative territory!

pilots spend more then at least a million taka which translates to somewhere around the $15,000 usd mark and our gdp is 600 usd so you can understand why their linguistic skills are above average

like honestly the flight attendants get jobs like most people in by way of ghush or mama chacha so as always they will lack the adequate skills

in bd its the exact opposite the govt employees always will harass the poor customers and try to be a slave of the rich customer, you think the police in bd will come to the aid of the victim?

thats wrong wether your rich or poor it doesnt make a difference. you should be doing your job. i personally would not allow them to harass me.

couple of years ago when i was travelling back to the UK the customs office scanned my bag. he found a couple of mangos inside my bag. i no you can take mangos in the uk i read it on the uk customs website just to be sure. the custom officer in ZYL goes to me you have got mangos, you can have the mangos if you give 2000 taka under the table. i told him nah its alright you take the mangos out but i will not bribe you for some mangos as i went to take the mangos out of the bags he said its alright you can take it. when it came to boarding the plane i was couple of minutes late apperently the gentlemen at gates goes i am not allowed to board the plane cos i was late. i was just taking my time so that i can avoid the pushin and shoving. when i said have you taken my bag out his reply was i will get them at DAC. i then replied back saying no thats not allowed that aircraft is not allowed to take of until my bags are offloaded and with me.abit unsure if that is true or not as i use to see it on BBC Airport everytime a passenger is late for their flight they off load the passengers bag. once i said that he just let me on to the aircraft. once i got on the plane people were not even seated he just tried to get my money.

i would not tolerately the abuse from the bangladesh govt employee and the bangladeshi national should do the same.

^^
I don't know why you folks are so hung up on the ability of Biman or other Bangladesh carriers crew's proficiency of the English language. Did the British colonial rule rub off a bit thicker?

For your information, both Bangladesh ATC controllers and Biman cockpit crew do a perfectly okay job of communicating in the ICAO language of communication i.e. English. I have personally heard ZIA and DAC controllers over the radio. If you'd like to listen to a BG cockpit crew conversation with ATC, you can search on youtube for "Biman Manchester Airport". As for cabin crew, it is a mixed bag with mostly poor communication skills in English and that is I suppose, BG does not train them nor assign much importance to the spoken English ability. If you use airlines of countries where English is not the native language nor much emphasis on it (unlike most western Europe), you'd discover the cabin crews' spoken English abilities are equally poor, e.g, most of South America, China, Japan, and many eastern European countries.

^^
I don't know why you folks are so hung up on the ability of Biman or other Bangladesh carriers crew's proficiency of the English language. Did the British colonial rule rub off a bit thicker?

For your information, both Bangladesh ATC controllers and Biman cockpit crew do a perfectly okay job of communicating in the ICAO language of communication i.e. English. I have personally heard ZIA and DAC controllers over the radio. If you'd like to listen to a BG cockpit crew conversation with ATC, you can search on youtube for "Biman Manchester Airport". As for cabin crew, it is a mixed bag with mostly poor communication skills in English and that is I suppose, BG does not train them nor assign much importance to the spoken English ability. If you use airlines of countries where English is not the native language nor much emphasis on it (unlike most western Europe), you'd discover the cabin crews' spoken English abilities are equally poor, e.g, most of South America, China, Japan, and many eastern European countries.
why not compare with the arabic speaking countries!

From my personal experience I think that the Biman crew are not to bad with English.

But one problem that the Biman crew have is that they use way toooo much make-up. The ladies just make themselves look like ghosts.

Since when this forum became a English grammar School?^^
YES, I did not use the spell-checker before I posted my comments, BUT, atleast, if I were specking these words out loud, my spelling would not have mattered.

Hence I was saying:when BG is flying into Europe, their so called cabin crew's need to have the basic listening & speaking English knowledge I am not talking about reading & writing, as you trying to point out. You as an aviation expert, seem to disagree with me, why?

This isn't an English grammar school. This is the world we live in, where we all have our own limitations, and such limitations which have good reasons behind them is what we should be accommodating about.

I'm in complete agreement with you that the English proficiency of BG's cabin crews could be much better than it is, but if you consider the socio-economic constraints Bangladesh is subject to, maybe you'd actually appreciate whatever proficiency they have already! With the country's literacy rate, population, and GDP as limiting factors as they are, it's a tall expectation to expect the cabin crews to be fluent in spoken English.

I've met several people with their M.A in English and you'd be shocked at their authority over the language. Most of the people who, however, can speak better English will not contemplate the career of a cabin crew at BG, despite the recently boosted financial remuneration, because the ceiling of this profession in Bangladesh will never get out of the pax cabin of the aircraft.

As for your question regarding BG flying to Europe or Europeans travelling on BG, do try to understand that the majority of BG's pax are Bangladeshi, and the absolute majority thereof are the labourers who doesn't understand any English at all. Many Bangladeshis in Rome (one of BG's European points) are also better conversant in Bangla than in English. Hence the priority for BG is to be able to communicate in a language understandable to the predominant majority of its pax, the composition of which which not be radically changed over the next few years. This is the exact reason why even airlines like EK, EY, SV, GF hires local cabin crews, just so the communication between cabin crew and the pax are better than what pure English would be able to achieve.

As for handling of pax safety and emergency situation on-board, here's the relevant extyract from ICAO Annex-6 "Operation of Aircraft":

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd236/TheCoolOnes/pax-safety.jpg

Now, the requirements under 4.2.11.1 (a-e) are fulfilled by the standard safety demonstration. The crucial part is 4.2.11.3, which in most cases will be accomplished by extremely general terms of expression. When was the last time that you heard that the handling of pax in an emergency situation of a commercial flight went wrong due to lack of proficiency in English?

Let's take this one step at a time...can you please define "mid/low stream lessors"? Perhaps with examples?

Lessors with an active fleet of around 5 or less

1. Depends on what market you're aiming at. Are you aiming at the existing domestic air traveller's market or are you planning to try and carve a new segment? For example, Air Deccan actually created a new market for themselves not just by offering low fares, but more by serving city pairs that were not served by the other pvt operators. In the context of Bangladesh, such uniquely potential city pairs are very limited, but there's certainly a prospect in creating a new market by offering 'value' fares and by offering innovative packages.

2. Again depends on your target customers, and the specific routes intended to be served.

3. The points your mentioned (ME and LHR) don't arouse me too much. The problem is on these routes, you'll be exposed to potential threats that may be difficult for you to sustain as a debutant airline. Those threats may or may not come through, but its a risk nevertheless. Moreover, on those routes, you're yield potentials will also be restricted as you'll have to work out fares which will be competitive to the ones already available from other carriers. This can be difficult considering that your start-up costs will have a greater effect on your costing than those airlines who are already well-footed and have their risks spread over a much larger network. The only way I think it's worth thinking about these routes is by exploring the possibilities of offering an unique product, for which there isn't any immediate comparison.


1. I don't see much new options other than the traditional routes that currently biman and united are serving. But the game plan that I had in mind was of a low cost carrier, both internationally and domestically.

2. Short to medium range international flights would be Kunming, Hong Kong, Singapore .

3. I know that the ME market would be challenging for a new player, but what could be the advantages of a low cost carrier single class serving Riyadh, Bahrain , Abu Dhabi and maybe Kuwait ?

For the European market how does the route Dhaka-Istanbul-London ( with business and economy ) or Dhaka-Rome-London or maybe Dhaka-London-Toronto.

1. I don't see much new options other than the traditional routes that currently biman and united are serving. But the game plan that I had in mind was of a low cost carrier, both internationally and domestically.

2. Short to medium range international flights would be Kunming, Hong Kong, Singapore .

3. I know that the ME market would be challenging for a new player, but what could be the advantages of a low cost carrier single class serving Riyadh, Bahrain , Abu Dhabi and maybe Kuwait ?

For the European market how does the route Dhaka-Istanbul-London ( with business and economy ) or Dhaka-Rome-London or maybe Dhaka-London-Toronto.

U may see these routes after BG receives new B777 aircrafts! There may be a chance for starting Toronto operations (either direct/via LHR) but chance of seeing an Istanbul operation is less likely (unless they get more aircrafts)!

1. Depends on what market you're aiming at. Are you aiming at the existing domestic air traveller's market or are you planning to try and carve a new segment? For example, Air Deccan actually created a new market for themselves not just by offering low fares, but more by serving city pairs that were not served by the other pvt operators. In the context of Bangladesh, such uniquely potential city pairs are very limited, but there's certainly a prospect in creating a new market by offering 'value' fares and by offering innovative packages.

2. Again depends on your target customers, and the specific routes intended to be served.

3. The points your mentioned (ME and LHR) don't arouse me too much. The problem is on these routes, you'll be exposed to potential threats that may be difficult for you to sustain as a debutant airline. Those threats may or may not come through, but its a risk nevertheless. Moreover, on those routes, you're yield potentials will also be restricted as you'll have to work out fares which will be competitive to the ones already available from other carriers. This can be difficult considering that your start-up costs will have a greater effect on your costing than those airlines who are already well-footed and have their risks spread over a much larger network. The only way I think it's worth thinking about these routes is by exploring the possibilities of offering an unique product, for which there isn't any immediate comparison.


1. I don't see much new options other than the traditional routes that currently biman and united are serving. But the game plan that I had in mind was of a low cost carrier, both internationally and domestically.

2. Short to medium range international flights would be Kunming, Hong Kong, Singapore .

3. I know that the ME market would be challenging for a new player, but what could be the advantages of a low cost carrier single class serving Riyadh, Bahrain , Abu Dhabi and maybe Kuwait ?

For the European market how does the route Dhaka-Istanbul-London ( with business and economy ) or Dhaka-Rome-London or maybe Dhaka-London-Toronto.

Imran bhai, who's the airport manager of DAC & how can I meet him? Need to talk to him for making an EIA report. Can you help?

^^
I don't know why you folks are so hung up on the ability of Biman or other Bangladesh carriers crew's proficiency of the English language. Did the British colonial rule rub off a bit thicker?

For your information, both Bangladesh ATC controllers and Biman cockpit crew do a perfectly okay job of communicating in the ICAO language of communication i.e. English. I have personally heard ZIA and DAC controllers over the radio. If you'd like to listen to a BG cockpit crew conversation with ATC, you can search on youtube for "Biman Manchester Airport". As for cabin crew, it is a mixed bag with mostly poor communication skills in English and that is I suppose, BG does not train them nor assign much importance to the spoken English ability. If you use airlines of countries where English is not the native language nor much emphasis on it (unlike most western Europe), you'd discover the cabin crews' spoken English abilities are equally poor, e.g, most of South America, China, Japan, and many eastern European countries.

i just think its an basic requirement for a cabin crew to speak english. which i believe Biman needs to look into.

why not compare with the arabic speaking countries!

Far too many speak Chinese, Japanese, and Spanish than Arabic. Moreover, as Imran said, an airline, any airline, will focus on their highest common denominator than the least (lowest). So, Biman's ticket sales isn't subject to its staff's proficiency in the English language.

..... When was the last time that you heard that the handling of pax in an emergency situation of a commercial flight went wrong due to lack of proficiency in English?

From my personal experience I think that the Biman crew are not to bad with English.....

I strongly agree with BDAV, in general BG's cockpit/cabit crew are conversant with Bangla and like any other Bangladeshi (because we have only one language in BD, unlike India and Pakistan, where people has to learn English as a common mode of communication) their English fluency is at par.

Has anyone has experience with Asiana or Korean Air? In fact few of their fatal accidents are attributed to English skill of their cockpit crews. If they can serve world-wide, I don't see any reason why BG should have problem. The fact is BG have a long list of problems to overcome with, and urgently. The English proficiency is the least important as it mainly serves Bangladeshi people who are supposed to speak/understand Bangla.

Surprise: New Aviation Minister/New Cabinet!

Monday July 20 2009 23:11:09 PM BDT

By Monirul Islam , Egypt

http://newsfrombangladesh.net/view.php?hidRecord=275484

Who was this 'Aviation advisor Mr. Jamilur Reza'??? The adviser for Civil Aviation was Mr. Mahbub Jamil to the best of my knowledge.... is he referring to the same person? What's the conspiracy he is talking about? In any international deal involving state, ambassador's involvement is natural, what's wrong with that? Saving 500/600 million bucks by buying similar aircraft from the market!!! How many B777-300ER or B787 are available in the market???!!! Goodness me... writing articles on BD aviation is easy, no? :bash:

I strongly agree with BDAV, in general BG's cockpit/cabit crew are conversant with Bangla and like any other Bangladeshi (because we have only one language in BD, unlike India and Pakistan, where people has to learn English as a common mode of communication) their English fluency is at par.

Has anyone has experience with Asiana or Korean Air? In fact few of their fatal accidents are attributed to English skill of their cockpit crews. If they can serve world-wide, I don't see any reason why BG should have problem. The fact is BG have a long list of problems to overcome with, and urgently. The English proficiency is the least important as it mainly serves Bangladeshi people who are supposed to speak/understand Bangla.

you maybe right there. i have many bangali friends who are just like me they lack in speaking reading and writing in bengali. Biman crew should understand yes the older generation of bengali can communicate with them where as the younger generation can communicate better in english. for many american/british/italian/french born bangladesh sylheti they see flyin with biman is the easier option. since there will be a big communcation problem with the biman cabin crew many will opt out from biman and fly with other airlines or even maybe many will fly to a diffferent destination instead of bangladesh.
thats where biman becomes the loser as their cabin crew cannot fulfil the basic requirement of a cabin crew.

you mabe right there. i have many bangali friends who are just like me they lack in speaking reading and writing in bengali. Biman crew should understand yes the older generation of bengali can communicate with them where as the younger generation can communicate better in english. for many american/british/italian/french born bangladesh sylheti they see flyin with biman is the easier option. since there will be a big communcation problem with the biman cabin crew many will opt out from biman and fly with other airlines or even maybe many will fly to a diffferent destination instead of bangladesh.
thats where biman becomes the loser as they their cabin crew cannot fulfil the basic requirement of a cabin crew.

I fully understand your point mate... but I've been traveling by BG in last four decades, but really haven't found any cabin crew who is completely illiterate in English (unlike OZ or KE... where even if they speak English, they speak in such a dialect, which is more difficult to understand than Korean perhaps...:) ). BG needs to improve on its timeliness, fleet and other basic services first, otherwise it will loose business sooner and faster...

Who was this 'Aviation advisor Mr. Jamilur Reza'??? The adviser for Civil Aviation was Mr. Mahbub Jamil to the best of my knowledge.... is he referring to the same person? What's the conspiracy he is talking about? In any international deal involving state, ambassador's involvement is natural, what's wrong with that? Saving 500/600 million bucks by buying similar aircraft from the market!!! How many B777-300ER or B787 are available in the market???!!! Goodness me... writing articles on BD aviation is easy, no? :bash:

Can't believe you even bothered to write 3 whole lines in response to that poo-quality (no spelling mistake here) piece of writing!

just read some of the reviews on the Skytrax website. i travel by biman only problem i have is the communicatin with the cabin crew.

why dont Biman offer in-flight entertainment if its damaged then why not get it repaired? also why dont they serve alcohol?

http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/biman.htm

Imran bhai, please see my last post. It's urgent.

Imran bhai, please see my last post. It's urgent.

Will let you know the details by tomorrow.

A UK businessman, whom is apperantly somehow connected with Aviana/RBA and two founder directors of United (BD) Ltd, one being Mr Shabu Nawas, also UK resident. Are in the process of setting up a cabin crew trainning school near Gatwick/Crawley town. To train up young British Asian/Bangladeshis for the future. The aim is to have stock of cabin crew who will be able to serve on asian airlines with fluent English, who will be asian/Bangladeshi origin yet have a western appearance & educated.

The first batch of graduates will be ready for United & RBA and appenantly PIA has also showen some interest with some UK Pakistanis getting on board as well. I think there is a UK/Pakistani airline taking some sort of shape under the banner of "Air Zindabad".:hilarious

But if they can pull it off, maybe Biman might consider employeeing some of them on their UK/European flights too. Good Luck to them I say.:cheers:

^^I am surprised that no one has commented on the above yet?

Can't believe you even bothered to write 3 whole lines in response to that poo-quality (no spelling mistake here) piece of writing!

That wasn't a response... a spontaneous reaction out of sheer shock. Honestly, those points... I would have preferred 'Mudabala' any day of the week....

SriLankan Airlines is all set to fly direct to Colombo from Dhaka by year-end.

Good news. I also heard Bestair is reinstating the flight operation in winter 2009. Anybody know if still Bestair is interested in Colombo route ?

Good news. I also heard Bestair is reinstating the flight operation in winter 2009. Anybody know if still Bestair is interested in Colombo route ?

After being in this thread for all these months, do you still believe Bestair can fly again? They maybe interested in anything they like, maybe even something like Bestair galactic (after Virgin Galactic), but it doesn't matter. I'm afraid Mr. NG is a dwarf who's dreaming of touching the moon.

^^ Ok, thanks. just thought they recovered from all the tax problems...

1. I don't see much new options other than the traditional routes that currently biman and united are serving. But the game plan that I had in mind was of a low cost carrier, both internationally and domestically.

2. Short to medium range international flights would be Kunming, Hong Kong, Singapore .

3. I know that the ME market would be challenging for a new player, but what could be the advantages of a low cost carrier single class serving Riyadh, Bahrain , Abu Dhabi and maybe Kuwait ?

For the European market how does the route Dhaka-Istanbul-London ( with business and economy ) or Dhaka-Rome-London or maybe Dhaka-London-Toronto.

1. There are a number of routes to fly without getting on the same plain as Biman. You'll probably have to think a little harder! And 'low cost' isn't the right thing to do, in my opinion, for the potential markets available to explore. Think of delivering 'value' fares, which isn't necessarily low-cost'.

2. You're somewhat in the ballpark there!

3. Your own costs are not likely to be low enough to allow you to offer competitive low-cost fares, and definitely not for ME routes. This is purely my own opinion though!

I have no idea about the market potential of IST. On DAC-FCO-LHR, I have doubts as to how many pax will choose to fly to LHR through FCO when there are much more lucrative and economical options available from EK/EY/QR et al.

Bangladesh doesn't even have an air service agreement with Canada yet, so YYZ is currently off-radar. Even if an ASA is executed, I'm not too sure if LHR will be allowed to be an intermediate point with freedom rights.

hey Asif this is my gameplan lets say for 4H international long haul flights and they have managed to acquire 14 aircrafts with a mixture of 773ER ,A346,A332 and A320. i no bangladesh do not have an ASA with some of the destinations but lets say they did will the following routes work for 4H?
DAC-ZYL Vice Versa
ZYL-CGP Vice Versa
CGP-DAC Vice Versa

CGP-DXB-JED
CGP-AUH-RUH
CGP-MCT-BAH
CGP-DOH-AMM

DAC-DXB
DAC-BRU-YYZ
DAC-BRU-JFK/EWR
DAC-FCO-MAN
DAC-LHR
DAC-FRA-ORY
DAC-NBO-JNB
DAC-PVG-YVR
DAC-TPE-MIA

ZYL-LHR
ZYL-DXB-JED
ZYL-AUH-RUH
ZYL-MCT-BAH
ZYL-DOH-AMM

.....

3. Your own costs are not likely to be low enough to allow you to offer competitive low-cost fares, and definitely not for ME routes. This is purely my own opinion though!

Why not? Isn't Air Arabia an LCC?

I have no idea about the market potential of IST. On DAC-FCO-LHR, I have doubts as to how many pax will choose to fly to LHR through FCO when there are much more lucrative and economical options available from EK/EY/QR et al.
If most of the traffic for FCO is the working class folks, would they be (are) that discriminating? Wouldn't they simply prefer to use BG instead of a foreign carrier regardless of routing?

hey Asif this is my gameplan lets say for 4H international long haul flights and they have managed to acquire 14 aircrafts with a mixture of 773ER ,A346,A332 and A320. i no bangladesh do not have an ASA with some of the destinations but lets say they did will the following routes work for 4H?
Mixed equipment in fleet is never cost effective for small to medium sized operations.

DAC-ZYL Vice Versa
ZYL-CGP Vice Versa
CGP-DAC Vice Versa

CGP-DXB-JED
CGP-AUH-RUH
CGP-MCT-BAH
CGP-DOH-AMM

DAC-DXB
DAC-BRU-YYZ
DAC-BRU-JFK/EWR
DAC-FCO-MAN
DAC-LHR
DAC-FRA-ORY
DAC-NBO-JNB
DAC-PVG-YVR
DAC-TPE-MIA
No Bangladesh carrier will make any money to any North American destination other than JFK.

ZYL-LHR
ZYL-DXB-JED
ZYL-AUH-RUH
ZYL-MCT-BAH
ZYL-DOH-AMM
Currently, there is no scope of direct flights to/from ZYL to LHR. Not sure about other destinations, perhaps the same restriction prevails.

hey Asif this is my gameplan lets say for 4H international long haul flights and they have managed to acquire 14 aircrafts with a mixture of 773ER ,A346,A332 and A320. i no bangladesh do not have an ASA with some of the destinations but lets say they did will the following routes work for 4H?
DAC-ZYL Vice Versa
ZYL-CGP Vice Versa
CGP-DAC Vice Versa

CGP-DXB-JED
CGP-AUH-RUH
CGP-MCT-BAH
CGP-DOH-AMM

DAC-DXB
DAC-BRU-YYZ
DAC-BRU-JFK/EWR
DAC-FCO-MAN
DAC-LHR
DAC-FRA-ORY
DAC-NBO-JNB
DAC-PVG-YVR
DAC-TPE-MIA

ZYL-LHR
ZYL-DXB-JED
ZYL-AUH-RUH
ZYL-MCT-BAH
ZYL-DOH-AMM

a very good analysis :) , but would like to add sumthing :

1. 14 aircrafts: I would go for 2x A320, 6x A330-200, 2x A340-600, and 4x B777-300ER.

2. There are a lot of passengers from CGP flying to middle east destinations, so I dont think there is really a need for connecting flights, direct flights would do good.

3. as for ORY, we flew there before, we need to change to CDG where most of the airlines fly! I wouldnt go for ORY.

4. YVR??? Not possible at all for the time being! Even if we have agreement with canada, we have to try YYZ first!

5. DAC-TPE-MIA ? again, not possible! ....... but I must say you missed out some important Asian destinations such as Guangzhou, Beijing, Soeul, Osaka, Kualalampur, Singapore, Bangkok, and I think adding Sydney would be a good idea..... but with those destinations added, we need to add at least 4 more aircrafts then.

6. ZYL-LHR would be a good idea but ZYL-middle east destinations? I doubt it!

Apart from these, the airport infrastructures, especially for ZYL and CGP, must be improved with a better runway & taxiway facilities, maintenance hangars, refuelling facilites (ZYL), navigation/ATC, aerobriges/gates and other ground handling services! DAC/ZIA also needs development for sure!

:)

BTW Imran bhai, Bangladesh has air service agreements with about 42-50 countries........so its quite surprising to see Canada not being part of it :P ...... do we have air agreemnts with Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and any other African nations?

okay Asif here is my revised routes. have added a few more destination and some you have mentioned i have also increased my total fleet to 22 and another 6 more may join in the near future. will these routes work? also what you gotta bear in mind is that i have spent loads of money in promoting the routes worldwide. e.g in London-Kathmandu the 1st airline to fly direct to Kathmandu from London

As advised by asif, the fleet will consist of 4x A320 8x A330-200 4x A340-600 6x 777-300ER. there will be 22 aircrafts instead of 14. the aircrafts will be in two class configurations.

DAC-ZYL (A320)
ZYL-CGP (A320)
CGP-DAC (A320)

CGP-DXB-JED (A332)
CGP-AUH-RUH (A332)
CGP-MCT-KWI (A332)
CGP-DOH-AMM (A332)
CGP-RGN (A320)

since there are currently 22 aircrafts in the fleet. i need to make connecting flights.

DAC-MAA(A320)
DAC-LHE(A320)
DAC-CAN (A332)
DAC-PEK/BJS (A332)
DAC-DXB (A332)
DAC-DEL (A320)
DAC-BOM (A320)
DAC-SIN (A320)
DAC-NRT(A320)
DAC-BKK (A320)
DAC-CGK (A320)
DAC-LHR (773ER)
DAC-KTM-LHR(A332)
DAC-FCO (773ER)
DAC-ICN-AKL (A346/773ER)
DAC-BRU-YYZ (A346/773ER)
DAC-BRU-JFK/EWR (A346/773ER)
DAC-FRA-CDG (A332)
DAC-NBO-JNB (A346)
DAC-PVG-ITM (773ER)
DAC-TPE-SYD(A346/773ER)



ZYL-DXB(A332)
ZYL-LHR (A332)
ZYL-DOH-MAN (A332/777ER)
ZYL-JED-BHX* (A332/A346)

*i want ZYL to connect with JED. i am not sure how Hajj and Umrah flights works if there need to be a Special ASA or freedom rights. As there are many muslims in Birmingham and Sylhet it can be wise to create Hajj and umrah package for the residents of both cities.

also there will be daily flight operating to and from CGP,DAC,ZYL
i am also in the prcess of acquiring another 3x A330-200 and 3x777-330ER to increase the frequencie of the flight and for planned future routes.

planned future routes may include
CGP-LHR(A332)
DAC-CMB-MRU (777ER)
DAC-COK-SEZ (777ER)
DAC-AYT(A332)
ZYL-GAU (A320)

Guys is this the 1 of 3 to join BG 777 fleet

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled-(Singapore-Airlines)/Boeing-777-212-ER/1549739/&sid=5cde2af1a02b273339ab1f2d2b466ed0

Guys is this the 1 of 3 to join BG 777 fleet

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled-(Singapore-Airlines)/Boeing-777-212-ER/1549739/&sid=5cde2af1a02b273339ab1f2d2b466ed0

This aircraft is only 12 years old. Any reason why SIA have decommissioned this relatively new airframe?

Compare it to Biman's ageing fleet.

Is BG gettin all the 777 from SQ?

looking at this website ch-aviation also not sure how accurate their information is. seems like biman is gettin the 3 T7's from SQ with the registration numbers 9V-SRA, 9V-SRB and 9V-SQB. does anyone else have any info on this?

http://www.ch-aviation.ch/aircraft.php?search=set&airline=SQ&al_op=1
http://www.ch-aviation.ch/aircraft.php?search=set&airline=BG&al_op=1

This aircraft is only 12 years old. Any reason why SIA have decommissioned this relatively new airframe?

Compare it to Biman's ageing fleet.

Perhaps the term "decommissioned" isn't applicable. SQ "cut" some equipment in their fleet i.e. put them away, as a cost saving measure owing to less traffic demand. Naturally, it would make economic sense to lease them while not being utilized. Airlines do it for better fleet utilization.

Guys is this the 1 of 3 to join BG 777 fleet

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled-(Singapore-Airlines)/Boeing-777-212-ER/1549739/&sid=5cde2af1a02b273339ab1f2d2b466ed0

No.

Biman has 3 offers to choose its 777s from: 3x SQ birds, 2x Cathay birds, and 3x China Southern birds. This particular SQ aircraft hasn't been offered to BG.

No.

Biman has 3 offers to choose its 777s from: 3x SQ birds, 2x Cathay birds, and 3x China Southern birds. This particular SQ aircraft hasn't been offered to BG.

Any idea which Birds Biman may go for?

Any idea which Birds Biman may go for?

Whichever broker/dealer BG officials can fleece the most!

Whichever broker/dealer BG officials can fleece the most!


THE RFP for the 777's is not on the BG websites. so BG will have to choose from the 3 airlines. well hopefully if there isnt any political issues we shouldl see the 777 in biman fleet by october.

Currently, there is no scope of direct flights to/from ZYL to LHR. Not sure about other destinations, perhaps the same restriction prevails.ZYL is currently only included in the ASA with India and, presumably, UAE since there is a direct ZYL-DXB flight.

Not sure why Jet etc. aren't doing LHR-BOM/DEL/CCU-ZYL etc.

ZYL is currently only included in the ASA with India and, presumably, UAE since there is a direct ZYL-DXB flight.

Not sure why Jet etc. aren't doing LHR-BOM/DEL/CCU-ZYL etc.

i also heard that AI maybe flying to ZYL many many years ago.

why dont any of the Bangladesh flag carriers utilize the mentioned destinations in the article. it seems like 4H,Z5 like to follow BG routes. if was to utilize it wisely i am sure money can be made out of these destinations.

http://www.sarkaritel.com/news_and_features/feb08/15ind_bangla_mou.htm

okay Asif here is my revised routes. have added a few more destination and some you have mentioned i have also increased my total fleet to 22 and another 6 more may join in the near future. will these routes work? also what you gotta bear in mind is that i have spent loads of money in promoting the routes worldwide. e.g in London-Kathmandu the 1st airline to fly direct to Kathmandu from London

As advised by asif, the fleet will consist of 4x A320 8x A330-200 4x A340-600 6x 777-300ER. there will be 22 aircrafts instead of 14. the aircrafts will be in two class configurations.

DAC-ZYL (A320)
ZYL-CGP (A320)
CGP-DAC (A320)

CGP-DXB-JED (A332)
CGP-AUH-RUH (A332)
CGP-MCT-KWI (A332)
CGP-DOH-AMM (A332)
CGP-RGN (A320)

since there are currently 22 aircrafts in the fleet. i need to make connecting flights.

DAC-MAA(A320)
DAC-LHE(A320)
DAC-CAN (A332)
DAC-PEK/BJS (A332)
DAC-DXB (A332)
DAC-DEL (A320)
DAC-BOM (A320)
DAC-SIN (A320)
DAC-NRT(A320)
DAC-BKK (A320)
DAC-CGK (A320)
DAC-LHR (773ER)
DAC-KTM-LHR(A332)
DAC-FCO (773ER)
DAC-ICN-AKL (A346/773ER)
DAC-BRU-YYZ (A346/773ER)
DAC-BRU-JFK/EWR (A346/773ER)
DAC-FRA-CDG (A332)
DAC-NBO-JNB (A346)
DAC-PVG-ITM (773ER)
DAC-TPE-SYD(A346/773ER)



ZYL-DXB(A332)
ZYL-LHR (A332)
ZYL-DOH-MAN (A332/777ER)
ZYL-JED-BHX* (A332/A346)

*i want ZYL to connect with JED. i am not sure how Hajj and Umrah flights works if there need to be a Special ASA or freedom rights. As there are many muslims in Birmingham and Sylhet it can be wise to create Hajj and umrah package for the residents of both cities.

also there will be daily flight operating to and from CGP,DAC,ZYL
i am also in the prcess of acquiring another 3x A330-200 and 3x777-330ER to increase the frequencie of the flight and for planned future routes.

planned future routes may include
CGP-LHR(A332)
DAC-CMB-MRU (777ER)
DAC-COK-SEZ (777ER)
DAC-AYT(A332)
ZYL-GAU (A320)

I don’t remember suggesting such a mixed fleet.

My opinions & questions:

- Don’t see the requirement for A330-200. If any, for the proposed routes, maybe the A330-300. There’s no sense behind having A340-600 AND the 777-300ER (aircraft of very similar mission capabilities, with advantage to the 777-300ER). If you have A320 and A330 in the back end, there’s no point in having the 773.

- DAC-ZYL/ZYL-CGP/CGP-DAC: Not sure about ZYL-CGP traffic. A320/B737 definitely not the kind of equipment unless used for pax coming into DAC on intl flights and transiting to CGP & ZYL.

- CGP-DXB-JED/CGP-AUH-RUH/CGP-MCT-KWI/CGP-DOH-DMM: What is the point in operating on routes like this where you may be expecting to fill up the cabin for either point? For example, on CGP-DXB-JED, how many seats will you sell for where, and why? You may be able to sell most seats (say 80%) for DXB itself, then why would you want to operate DXB-JED for just 20% seats? You’d hardly sell anything between DXB-JED, subject to 5th freedom rights. On the other hand, if you can sell 80% seats for CGP-JED, why would you make the stop at DXB?

- CGP-RGN: Not sure if this is a feasible route.

-Flights out of DAC: Not sure about the feasibility of many of the routes.

- ZYL-DXB: Maybe feasible.

- ZYL-LHR: Should be feasible (infrastructure permitting).

- ZYL-DOH-MAN: Again, which point you’d be selling? If you think there’s enough traffic to MAN, go non-stop. If you go via DOH, what will stop QR from doing it, and what’d be your edge then?

- ZYL-JED-BHX: Barring exceptions, you can’t carry scheduled pax on Hajj flights. Flights to carry pilgrims should be to JED and back, or else your aircraft rotation will make it impossible to operate a Hajj operation.

- Other routes: not sure if worthwhile to do.

Even without the additions, your hypothetical fleet of 8x A332, 4x A346, and 6x B773ER will be underutilized as per your suggested plan.

THE RFP for the 777's is not on the BG websites. so BG will have to choose from the 3 airlines. well hopefully if there isnt any political issues we shouldl see the 777 in biman fleet by october.

The RFP closed on 5th July. Two of the 3 offers are from owners/operators who have bought the aircraft from their original operators (as mentioned).

Can Anyone say me where is best air?
Are they still alive??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What about their boeing 737 and the md 82(leased)???

Not sure why Jet etc. aren't doing LHR-BOM/DEL/CCU-ZYL etc.

If ever, 9W might consider to do LHR-DEL-ZYL with a change of aircraft in DEL (from B777/A330 to B737). Doubt if that'll be more convenient that LHR-DXB-ZYL.

Can Anyone say me where is best air?
Are they still alive??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What about their boeing 737 and the md 82(leased)???

In thin air.
Hardly.
Gone, but who cares!

Yesterday i got a news from the United airways ctg reservation
that they are introducing CGP-DXB route with their Md-82 aircraft from
this september.......

Perhaps the term "decommissioned" isn't applicable. SQ "cut" some equipment in their fleet i.e. put them away, as a cost saving measure owing to less traffic demand. Naturally, it would make economic sense to lease them while not being utilized. Airlines do it for better fleet utilization.

SQ is selling 7 or 8 B777s, hence decommissioned.

In thin air.
Hardly.
Gone, but who cares!

Imran bhai I thought the leased MD82 was given to BestAir by the lessor because its not feasible to maintain (or something like that)?

Is it feasible for United to start CGP-DXB with their MD82?

SQ is selling 7 or 8 B777s, hence decommissioned.
Is that right? The wiki on SQ needs to be updated. How the load factor on their A380 routes? I was suprised to discovered that EK stooped using A380 on the DXB-JFK soon after its introduction. Apparently, on some flights there were barely 100 passengers. What I don't understand is why EK has 2x DXB-JFK with 772(3?). Couldn't they just do one flight per day with an A380?

Imran bhai I thought the leased MD82 was given to BestAir by the lessor because its not feasible to maintain (or something like that)?

Is it feasible for United to start CGP-DXB with their MD82?

If an owner finds his MD-80 not worthy of flying anymore, he'll sell it for scrapping. Why'd anyone give away even the few tonnes of steel it is worth? :) The aircraft was leased from Transglobal of the Philippines and they took it back.

United's CGP-DXB might actually do better than DAC-DXB as far as load factor is concerned. But having bought the aircraft, and by buying a couple more as they intend to, they'll be seaing their own fate.

Is that the intention though? We don't know! ;)

Sorry to go offtopic for a while but cangratulation to the Bangladesh Team for their First overseas test series victory! Way to go!!!

Yesterday i got a news from the United airways ctg reservation
that they are introducing CGP-DXB route with their Md-82 aircraft from
this september.......

Its a good idea, except i would operate this route with an A320 or a B767 if it was me.

Imran bhai, any comments on post # 681 and 682? :)

A question for everyone.....
whats the problem with the Canaidian Authority not making agreements with BG?
Its a problem with EK too, i read on an article that Canada gave EK only 3 landing rights for the entire country and thats why EK changed their fleet from 773 to 380. AC is doing a horrible job in Canada and virtually everyone is left with no ther option in terms of travelling with different carrier.

BTW Imran bhai, Bangladesh has air service agreements with about 42-50 countries........so its quite surprising to see Canada not being part of it :P ...... do we have air agreemnts with Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and any other African nations?

Well thats my question too....hopefully Imran Bhai will answer them:lol:

SQ is selling 7 or 8 B777s, hence decommissioned.

Shouldnt GMG be also interested in them too? i mean they wanted to buy some few years back!

Fleet will Consist of 4 xA320 8x A330-300 and 10x 777-300ER

DAC-ZYL (A320)
ZYL-CGP* (A320)
CGP-DAC (A320)
*Since Majority of the ME flights are will operating from CGP. It is wise to have a flight from ZYL to CPG so PAX can get their connecting flight for their onward journey.

CGP-DXB (A333)
CGP-JED (A333)
CGP-AUH(A333)
CGP-RUH (A333)
CGP-MCT(A333)
CGP-KWI (A333)
CGP-DOH(A333)
CGP-AMM (A333)

DAC-MAA(A320)
DAC-LHE(A320)
DAC-CAN (A333)
DAC-PEK/BJS (A333)
DAC-DXB (A333)
DAC-DEL (A320)
DAC-BOM (A320)
DAC-SIN (A320)
DAC-NRT(A320)
DAC-BKK (A320)
DAC-CGK (A320)
DAC-LHR (773ER)
DAC-KTM-LHR(A333)*1per Week depending on the demand of the route. there are many tourist that goto Kathmandu from the UK.
DAC-TPE-ICN (773ER)
DAC-BRU-YYZ (773ER)
DAC-BRU-JFK/EWR (773ER)
DAC-FRA-CDG (A333)
DAC-NBO-JNB (777ER)
DAC-PVG-ITM (773ER)
DAC-SYD-AKL (773ER)

ZYL-DXB(A333)
ZYL-LHR (A333)
ZYL-DOH-MAN/ ZYL-MAN * (A333/777ER)
ZYL-JED-BHX* (A333/777ER)

ZYL-DOH-MAN* for the 1st 6 months I will see what the demand for the route is. There are many people Bangladeshis who work in Doha and many Bangladeshi in Manchester if the demand is 50-50 then route will carry on operating. If it is more Manchester PAX then the route will convert to ZYL-MAN
ZYL-JED-BHX* I agree that during the hajj season it will be impossible to operate but the route will stay as I see a big potential for sylhetis and people of BHAM to do umrah both cities have a very big Muslim populations. making it convenient for the PAX instead of travelling from Sylhet to Dhaka or even BHAM to London or Manchester.

if this dont work then i quit as the CEO

okay Asif here is my revised routes. have added a few more destination and some you have mentioned i have also increased my total fleet to 22 and another 6 more may join in the near future. will these routes work? also what you gotta bear in mind is that i have spent loads of money in promoting the routes worldwide. e.g in London-Kathmandu the 1st airline to fly direct to Kathmandu from London

As advised by asif, the fleet will consist of 4x A320 8x A330-200 4x A340-600 6x 777-300ER. there will be 22 aircrafts instead of 14. the aircrafts will be in two class configurations.

DAC-ZYL (A320)
ZYL-CGP (A320)
CGP-DAC (A320)

CGP-DXB-JED (A332)
CGP-AUH-RUH (A332)
CGP-MCT-KWI (A332)
CGP-DOH-AMM (A332)
CGP-RGN (A320)

since there are currently 22 aircrafts in the fleet. i need to make connecting flights.

DAC-MAA(A320)
DAC-LHE(A320)
DAC-CAN (A332)
DAC-PEK/BJS (A332)
DAC-DXB (A332)
DAC-DEL (A320)
DAC-BOM (A320)
DAC-SIN (A320)
DAC-NRT(A320)
DAC-BKK (A320)
DAC-CGK (A320)
DAC-LHR (773ER)
DAC-KTM-LHR(A332)
DAC-FCO (773ER)
DAC-ICN-AKL (A346/773ER)
DAC-BRU-YYZ (A346/773ER)
DAC-BRU-JFK/EWR (A346/773ER)
DAC-FRA-CDG (A332)
DAC-NBO-JNB (A346)
DAC-PVG-ITM (773ER)
DAC-TPE-SYD(A346/773ER)



ZYL-DXB(A332)
ZYL-LHR (A332)
ZYL-DOH-MAN (A332/777ER)
ZYL-JED-BHX* (A332/A346)

*i want ZYL to connect with JED. i am not sure how Hajj and Umrah flights works if there need to be a Special ASA or freedom rights. As there are many muslims in Birmingham and Sylhet it can be wise to create Hajj and umrah package for the residents of both cities.

also there will be daily flight operating to and from CGP,DAC,ZYL
i am also in the prcess of acquiring another 3x A330-200 and 3x777-330ER to increase the frequencie of the flight and for planned future routes.

planned future routes may include
CGP-LHR(A332)
DAC-CMB-MRU (777ER)
DAC-COK-SEZ (777ER)
DAC-AYT(A332)
ZYL-GAU (A320)

good analysis :) ....but again, I have to do a bit of corrections hehe:

Well, first of all, lets hope 4H can really acheive such, otherwise, its not worth dreaming :) .....and one thing, A330s may be phased out after the A350 comes out in 2015.

1. CGP-RGN : no way possible! I dont personally want any Bangladeshi carriers to operate in RGN, due to political problems in Myanmar.

2. using A320 in SIN, BKK, and NRT isnt a good idea! We can get plenty of passengers in these routes so we need bigger aircrafts. better use A330.

3. KTM-LHR: are u quite sure??

4. ICN-AKL?? haha u got to be kidding me :P ...... DAC-ICN would do it better :) , AKL is not important now.

5. I dont think BRU is needed for JFK flights, better do it direct JFK flights, quite good enough, and u forgot Amsterdam btw!

6. Again, TPE isnt suitable, DAC-KLL-SYD would be better route!

7. About the future routes, DAC-AYT??? i oppose it lol, i prefer DAC-IST first.

Imran bhai, I think most the routes would be feasable as long as it doesnt affect the opeartions due to, if any, aircraft shortages like BG! But about the aircraft options, i dunno...... B777-300 ER is good but others, im not sure!

[QUOTE=Manazir;40148196]good analysis :) ....but again, I have to do a bit of corrections hehe:

Well, first of all, lets hope 4H can really acheive such, otherwise, its not worth dreaming :) .....and one thing, A330s may be phased out after the A350 comes out in 2015.

1. CGP-RGN : no way possible! I dont personally want any Bangladeshi carriers to operate in RGN, due to political problems in Myanmar.

2. using A320 in SIN, BKK, and NRT isnt a good idea! We can get plenty of passengers in these routes so we need bigger aircrafts. better use A330.

3. KTM-LHR: are u quite sure??

4. ICN-AKL?? haha u got to be kidding me :P ...... DAC-ICN would do it better :) , AKL is not important now.

5. I dont think BRU is needed for JFK flights, better do it direct JFK flights, quite good enough, and u forgot Amsterdam btw!

FAA does not permit Bangladeshi carriers to Stop in any other countries beside BRU. Correct me if i am wrong. if that changes in the future then maybe we can look into it again.

[QUOTE=Manazir;40148196]good analysis :) ....but again, I have to do a bit of corrections hehe:

Well, first of all, lets hope 4H can really acheive such, otherwise, its not worth dreaming :) .....and one thing, A330s may be phased out after the A350 comes out in 2015.

1. CGP-RGN : no way possible! I dont personally want any Bangladeshi carriers to operate in RGN, due to political problems in Myanmar.

2. using A320 in SIN, BKK, and NRT isnt a good idea! We can get plenty of passengers in these routes so we need bigger aircrafts. better use A330.

3. KTM-LHR: are u quite sure??

there are loads of tourist from the UK and europe who visit Kathmandu. why not be the 1st airline to connect kathmandu with the UK. if the route does not work it will get discontiued. trial and error

Fleet will Consist of 4 xA320 8x A330-300 and 10x 777-300ER

DAC-ZYL (A320)
ZYL-CGP* (A320)
CGP-DAC (A320)
*Since Majority of the ME flights are will operating from CGP. It is wise to have a flight from ZYL to CPG so PAX can get their connecting flight for their onward journey.

CGP-DXB (A333)
CGP-JED (A333)
CGP-AUH(A333)
CGP-RUH (A333)
CGP-MCT(A333)
CGP-KWI (A333)
CGP-DOH(A333)
CGP-AMM (A333)

DAC-MAA(A320)
DAC-LHE(A320)
DAC-CAN (A333)
DAC-PEK/BJS (A333)
DAC-DXB (A333)
DAC-DEL (A320)
DAC-BOM (A320)
DAC-SIN (A320)
DAC-NRT(A320)
DAC-BKK (A320)
DAC-CGK (A320)
DAC-LHR (773ER)
DAC-KTM-LHR(A333)*1per Week depending on the demand of the route. there are many tourist that goto Kathmandu from the UK.
DAC-TPE-ICN (773ER)
DAC-BRU-YYZ (773ER)
DAC-BRU-JFK/EWR (773ER)
DAC-FRA-CDG (A333)
DAC-NBO-JNB (777ER)
DAC-PVG-ITM (773ER)
DAC-SYD-AKL (773ER)

ZYL-DXB(A333)
ZYL-LHR (A333)
ZYL-DOH-MAN/ ZYL-MAN * (A333/777ER)
ZYL-JED-BHX* (A333/777ER)

ZYL-DOH-MAN* for the 1st 6 months I will see what the demand for the route is. There are many people Bangladeshis who work in Doha and many Bangladeshi in Manchester if the demand is 50-50 then route will carry on operating. If it is more Manchester PAX then the route will convert to ZYL-MAN
ZYL-JED-BHX* I agree that during the hajj season it will be impossible to operate but the route will stay as I see a big potential for sylhetis and people of BHAM to do umrah both cities have a very big Muslim populations. making it convenient for the PAX instead of travelling from Sylhet to Dhaka or even BHAM to London or Manchester.

if this dont work then i quit as the CEO

whaattt?? bro, I didnt knw u were the CEO! Me and Imran bhai, along with QGR bro, would be glad to help u in this project :)

I hope 4H does its best as u planned! Where would the funding come from ? hehe

[QUOTE=Manazir;40148196]
FAA does not permit Bangladeshi carriers to Stop in any other countries beside BRU. Correct me if i am wrong. if that changes in the future then maybe we can look into it again.

Didnt BG operate direct flights to JFK before?? or was it via BRU?

whaattt?? bro, I didnt knw u were the CEO! Me and Imran bhai, along with QGR bro, would be glad to help u in this project :)

I hope 4H does its best as u planned! Where would the funding come from ? hehe

The Prince's Trust and some funding from the National Lottery

[QUOTE=Manazir;40148196]

there are loads of tourist from the UK and europe who visit Kathmandu. why not be the 1st airline to connect kathmandu with the UK. if the route does not work it will get discontiued. trial and error

well, u may try ;) .....if it doesnt work out, well, try a diff route then. :)

[QUOTE=Abdulr123;40148638]

Didnt BG operate direct flights to JFK before?? or was it via BRU?

it was DAC-DXB-LHR-JFK then DAC-DXB-BRU-JFK then it was DAC-DXB-MAN-JFK thats what caused to suspend BG flight to JFK

Never seen a B737-200 with its own staircase.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UklCfKsATo8

[QUOTE=Manazir;40148972]

it was DAC-DXB-LHR-JFK then DAC-DXB-BRU-JFK then it was DAC-DXB-MAN-JFK thats what caused to suspend BG flight to JFK

what the hell?? 2 stops on the way?? wow!! no wonder epic fail!

[QUOTE=Abdulr123;40149208]

what the hell?? 2 stops on the way?? wow!! no wonder epic fail!

yeah i no and i think if BG continues with its JFK flight it might still be DAC-DXB-BRU-JFK or it might just be DAC-BRU-JFK which sounds alot better.

^^ as for u, better make it DAC-BRU-JFK :) .....ooh btw, please dont forget about the airport infrastrutures at ZIA, ZYL, and CGP if u wanna operate as u planned ;)..... or u might wanna operate from ZIA and perhaps, CGP only for the time being and ZYL later?

^^ as for u, better make it DAC-BRU-JFK :) .....ooh btw, please dont forget about the airport infrastrutures at ZIA, ZYL, and CGP if u wanna operate as u planned ;)..... or u might wanna operate from ZIA and perhaps, CGP only for the time being and ZYL later?

i did make it DAC-BRU-JFK If it wasnt for the freedom rights it would be DAC-JFK on 773ER

CAAB is currently working on the infrastruture of the three major airports in bangladesh CGP,DAC and ZIA so that 4H can run smoothly without any problems.

i did make it DAC-BRU-JFK If it wasnt for the freedom rights it would be DAC-JFK on 773ER

Not an matter of freedom rights for DAC-JFK. The issue is categorization of ZIA by FAA. Direct flights to US airports from category 2 or lower airports aren't permitted.

CAAB is currently working on the infrastruture of the three major airports in bangladesh CGP,DAC and ZIA so that 4H can run smoothly without any problems.
How's that?

Never seen a B737-200 with its own staircase.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UklCfKsATo8

Are you forgetting its the "Next Generation" aircraft? :D

CAAB is currently working on the infrastruture of the three major airports in bangladesh CGP,DAC and ZIA so that 4H can run smoothly without any problems.

Are they actually doing it for United or just doing it for all the airlines? Looks like favouritism to me if they are only doing it for United.

Sorry to go offtopic for a while but cangratulation to the Bangladesh Team for their First overseas test series victory! Way to go!!!
Now seat back and watch them get creamed with the return of the Caribbean national team.

[QUOTE=Manazir;40148972]

it was DAC-DXB-LHR-JFK then DAC-DXB-BRU-JFK then it was DAC-DXB-MAN-JFK thats what caused to suspend BG flight to JFK

BG never operated their JFK flight from LHR because Bangladesh carriers do not have freedom rights to North America from LHR. If I'm not mistaken, BG initially operated DAC-DXB-BRU-JFK outbound with JFK-BRU-DAC on inbound. Then it changed to DAC-DEL-BRU-JFK-BRU-DEL-DAC. Then BG attempted to operate via MAN instead of BRU which was nixed by FAA. The reason for suspension of JFK was due to huge operating losses on the sector compounded by acute equipment shortage.

[QUOTE=Abdulr123;40149208]

BG never operated their JFK flight from LHR because Bangladesh carriers do not have freedom rights to North America from LHR. If I'm not mistaken, BG initially operated DAC-DXB-BRU-JFK outbound with JFK-BRU-DAC on inbound. Then it changed to DAC-DEL-BRU-JFK-BRU-DEL-DAC. Then BG attempted to operate via MAN instead of BRU which was nixed by FAA. The reason for suspension of JFK was due to huge operating losses on the sector compounded by acute equipment shortage.

are you sure BG never operated from LHR-JFK. If i can recall back in the mid 90s My relatives who live in new jersey they use to fly with Biman to bangladesh and there the flight use to stop at LHR. i also remember one time again mid 90's when my dad was coming back from Bangladesh their was 2 BG flights coming into LHR one from DAC via DXB and one from JFK.

Not an matter of freedom rights for DAC-JFK. The issue is categorization of ZIA by FAA. Direct flights to US airports from category 2 or lower airports aren't permitted.

How's that?

That was a joke. with me being the CEO of 4H and my routes and the infrasturcture of of the airport.

[QUOTE=TIslam;40157182]

are you sure BG never operated from LHR-JFK. If i can recall back in the mid 90s My relatives who live in new jersey they use to fly with Biman to bangladesh and there the flight use to stop at LHR. i also remember one time again mid 90's when my dad was coming back from Bangladesh their was 2 BG flights coming into LHR one from DAC via DXB and one from JFK.

I really doubt it. Like the said the ASA b/w Bangladesh and UK does not allow fifth freedom rights to any Bangladesh carrier to use LHR for any North American destinations. Also, if I'm not mistaken, BG's initial route to JFK was via AMS. They switched to BRU when AMS authorities canceled BG's slot owing to chronic delays, for which Bangladesh retaliated by revoking KLM's route permit to DAC, which I think was a dumb move.

I wonder if Imran bhai is on a holiday :P

btw Abdulr123 bro, as a CEO, dont u think the name "United" needs to be changed?? not to confuse with American "United" Airlines!

also dont forget the Amsterdam & Athens route from DAC (via sum place) ....BG used to operate DAC- sumplace - Amsterdam before! So u can go for DAC-Athens- Amsterdam (srry frgot the IATA codes hehe).....

PS: I will do a revised analysis for u again :)

When BG started their 3rd weekly frequency to JFK, it was through LHR. But the other 2 weekly flights continued through BRU.

By the way I found this interesting clip about Biman on youtube. Clip shows Biman's DC-10 being held up at BRU because of a leakage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9Lsgq_d150

Will let you know the details by tomorrow.

Any update?

By the way I found this interesting clip about Biman on youtube. Clip shows Biman's DC-10 being held up at BRU because of a leakage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9Lsgq_d150

Biman Pilot: Anything wrong there?
Engineer: Yes Sir. That is an important leak.
Biman Pilot: Only a leak.
Engineer: Yes, it's a leak.
...

:lol:

Thanks for the link!

If ever, 9W might consider to do LHR-DEL-ZYL with a change of aircraft in DEL (from B777/A330 to B737). Doubt if that'll be more convenient that LHR-DXB-ZYL.LHR-DXB-ZYL would certainly be more convenient but that would only be possible through Biman. We need some viable competition on the LHR-*-ZYL route to get Biman to up their game (or give up)! If 9W did DEL-LHR-DEL-ZYL-DEL without change of aircraft, without doubt Biman would lose most of the ZYL bound PAX. This would surely be technically feasible for 9W provided they fuel up at DEL for DEL-LHR and then at LHR for the LHR-DEL leg and again at DEL for the DEL-ZYL-DEL leg?

Even with a change of aircraft, provided 9W kept the connections short and timely, a lot would migrate away from BG.

brother Abdulr123, here is a revised version of ur analysis by me :) :

For the time being:

Aircrafts: 25. (5x A320, 10x A330-300, and 10x B777-300ER) .....it will cost u a bit more than $3 bn.

Class: J & Y.

Destinations and aircrafts from DAC:

DAC-CGP (A320)
DAC-ZYL (A320)

DAC-DEL (A320)
DAC-CCU (A320)
DAC-BOM (A320)
DAC-KTM (A320)
DAC-KHI (A320)
DAC-BKK (A330)
DAC-SIN-SYD (77W)
DAC-KLL (A330)
DAC-HKG (A330)
DAC-PEK-NRT (A330)
DAC-ICN (A330)
DAC-DXB (77W)
DAC-TIP (A330)
DAC-NBO-JNB (77W)
DAC-ATH-AMS (77W)
DAC-LHR-MAN (77W)
DAC-FCO (77W)
DAC-FRA-CDG (77W)
DAC-BRU-JFK (77W)
DAC-BRU-YYZ (77W)

Destinations and aircrafts from CGP:

CGP-DXB (77W)
CGP-JED (77W)
CGP-RUH (A330)
CGP-AUH (A330)
CGP-DOH (77W)
CGP-MCT (A330)
CGP-AMM (A330)
CGP-KWI (77W)
CGP-BAH (A330)

Destinations and aircrafts from ZYL:

ZYL-LHR (77W)
ZYL-DXB (A330)
ZYL-BHX (77W)
ZYL-MAN / ZYL-DOH-MAN (77W)

Future:

u may add 10-15 more aircrafts (most likely B777-200LRs and B787-8) and have first class options too.

from DAC:

DAC-CMB-MLE
DAC-DXB-SEZ
DAC-DMM-CAI
DAC-BOM-MRU
DAC-IST
DAC-MXP
DAC-TAS-DME
DAC-CAN
DAC-PVG-KIX
DAC-LHE

from CGP:

CGP-DMM
CGP-BKK
CGP-KLL-SIN
CGP-TIP

from ZYL:

ZYL-BRU-JFK

brother Abdulr123, here is a revised version of ur analysis by me :) :

For the time being:

Aircrafts: 25. (5x A320, 10x A330-300, and 10x B777-300ER) .....it will cost u a bit more than $3 bn.

Class: J & Y.

Destinations and aircrafts from DAC:

DAC-CGP (A320)
DAC-ZYL (A320)

DAC-DEL (A320)
DAC-CCU (A320)
DAC-BOM (A320)
DAC-KTM (A320)
DAC-KHI (A320)
DAC-BKK (A330)
DAC-SIN-SYD (77W)
DAC-KLL (A330)
DAC-HKG (A330)
DAC-PEK-NRT (A330)
DAC-ICN (A330)
DAC-DXB (77W)
DAC-TIP (A330)
DAC-NBO-JNB (77W)
DAC-ATH-AMS (77W)
DAC-LHR-MAN (77W)
DAC-FCO (77W)
DAC-FRA-CDG (77W)
DAC-BRU-JFK (77W)
DAC-BRU-YYZ (77W)

Destinations and aircrafts from CGP:

CGP-DXB (77W)
CGP-JED (77W)
CGP-RUH (A330)
CGP-AUH (A330)
CGP-DOH (77W)
CGP-MCT (A330)
CGP-AMM (A330)
CGP-KWI (77W)
CGP-BAH (A330)

Destinations and aircrafts from ZYL:

ZYL-LHR (77W)
ZYL-DXB (A330)
ZYL-BHX (77W)
ZYL-MAN / ZYL-DOH-MAN (77W)

Future:

u may add 10-15 more aircrafts (most likely B777-200LRs and B787-8) and have first class options too.

from DAC:

DAC-CMB-MLE
DAC-DXB-SEZ
DAC-DMM-CAI
DAC-BOM-MRU
DAC-IST
DAC-MXP
DAC-TAS-DME
DAC-CAN
DAC-PVG-KIX
DAC-LHE

from CGP:

CGP-DMM
CGP-BKK
CGP-KLL-SIN
CGP-TIP

from ZYL:

ZYL-BRU-JFK

You have 3 Main Hubs. why not have the 3 hubs connect thru domestic flights. since there is not many ME destinations from ZYL for e.g a Sylhetie PAX would prefer MCT-CGP transit to domestic for CGP-ZYL rather then MCT-CGP then CGP-DAC, DAC-ZYL. he would be better of with BG

DAC-ATH-AMS didnt BG have a problem with AMS and KLM while ago? also you gotta remember if a bangladesh carrier is going to AMS KLM may resume its flight to DAC,ZYL,CPG where it may have an impact on 4H. but worth lookin into it.

DAC-LHR-MAN. from DAC it should be just DAC-LHR if PAX want to go MAN their better options would be to get it from ZYL.

Since Birmingham has a mix community of Bangladeshi indian and pakistanis and sri lankarn and the only major airline that flies to BHX is EK, PK and AI i believe why not have another connection to the ME or Europe. also you got bear in mind that birmingham is a small city.

From ZYL there should be more ME destination. there are loads of ME workers in sylhet as well.


but overall i must say alot better then mine.

DAC-ATH-AMS didnt BG have a problem with AMS and KLM while ago? also you gotta remember if a bangladesh carrier is going to AMS KLM may resume its flight to DAC,ZYL,CPG where it may have an impact on 4H. but worth lookin into it.

DAC-LHR-MAN. from DAC it should be just DAC-LHR if PAX want to go MAN their better options would be to get it from ZYL.

Since Birmingham has a mix community of Bangladeshi indian and pakistanis and sri lankarn and the only major airline that flies to BHX is EK, PK and AI i believe why not have another connection to the ME or Europe. also you got bear in mind that birmingham is a small city.

From ZYL there should be more ME destination. there are loads of ME workers in sylhet as well.


but overall i must say alot better then mine.

1. Yes it is indeed worth looking at it :) ..... I wouldnt mind KLM starting DAC operations, we have no European carriers operating to DAC :(

2. As for MAN, u wanna make it ZYL-MAN or DAC-MAN/DAC-BRU-MAN/DAC-FRA-MAN??

3. About Birmingham, I dunno but for the time being, I advice u to operate to LHR and MAN only, when we have more aircrafts, u can look into BHX :)

4. As for ZYL-ME destinations, we need more aircrafts so better not to operate this time! maybe later is better.

Also bro, please dont forget that the aircrafts should have personal inflight entertainments, flat beds in J class etc hehe ;)

PS: Thanks for the comment, only wanted to save you time so i did it :)

^^ Don't forget the free flight for all posters to this thread (sorry you lurkers - better get posting!) :lol:

1. Yes it is indeed worth looking at it :) ..... I wouldnt mind KLM starting DAC operations, we have no European carriers operating to DAC :(

2. As for MAN, u wanna make it ZYL-MAN or DAC-MAN/DAC-BRU-MAN/DAC-FRA-MAN??

I think we operate 3 weekly flight ZYL-FCO/ATH-MAN. and how about 2 weekly flights DAC-TLV-MAN and see how the demand is for the flight


3. About Birmingham, I dunno but for the time being, I advice u to operate to LHR and MAN only, when we have more aircrafts, u can look into BHX :)

I think we should have a trial flights and see how it goes. i no many Bangladeshi PAX use EK to Travel DAC from BHX maybe as a trial we can try DAC-ATQ-BHX or DAC-IST-BHX

4. As for ZYL-ME destinations, we need more aircrafts so better not to operate this time! maybe later is better.

Maybe we can have some Code Share with ME Carriers that fly to DAC. ZYL PAX can get the DAC-ZLY

Also bro, please dont forget that the aircrafts should have personal inflight entertainments, flat beds in J class etc hehe ;)

PS: Thanks for the comment, only wanted to save you time so i did it :)

off course there will be IFE with lastest musics games and films. and flat beds in J Class. my fligths will consist of 70% beautiful Katrina kaif, Priyanka Chopra, Angelina Jolie look alike cabin crews and 30% male. to ensure sure my crew are doing there Jobs properly i will ensure mystery flyer who will take a note of the crew service and report back to the HQ of 4H. the mystery flyer will rate the service 0%-20% poor 20%-40% Not exceptional 40%-60% Exceptional 60%-80% Good and 80%-100% Excellant if the crew do below 60% they will need training again. if the serice above 60% there will be a bonus. there will be a mystery flyer on every single flight once a once and there is 100% customer satisfactory. the mystery flyer can be anyone from the world. so the crew will not no who PAX is he can be in J class or Y or even both.

the mystery flyer can be anyone from the world. so the crew will not no who PAX is he can be in J class or Y or even both.Hey, looks like you're gonna be pushing the boundaries of physics with this airline. Look forward to flying it!! :lol:

I wonder if Imran bhai is on a holiday :P

btw Abdulr123 bro, as a CEO, dont u think the name "United" needs to be changed?? not to confuse with American "United" Airlines!

also dont forget the Amsterdam & Athens route from DAC (via sum place) ....BG used to operate DAC- sumplace - Amsterdam before! So u can go for DAC-Athens- Amsterdam (srry frgot the IATA codes hehe).....

PS: I will do a revised analysis for u again :)

yeah we should rename it to something that relates to bangladesh something like Bengal airways or ShundorBangla Airways. can you think of anything else?

Hey, looks like you're gonna be pushing the boundaries of physics with this airline. Look forward to flying it!! :lol:

at the moment our competitors are Z4 soon we our main Competitors will the like of BA,VS,EK,SQ

at the moment our competitors are Z4 soon we our main Competitors will the like of BA,VS,EK,SQ

i am sorry, but are u really planning smthiing or its just a game or idea:nuts:

United Airways, a private commercial airline in the country, recently launched a direct flight to Dubai from Bangladesh.

Initially, it will operate a flight from Dhaka to Dubai every Thursday and Sunday, according to a press release.

The Dhaka-Dubai-Dhaka flight, to be operated with a 155-seat MD-83 aircraft, is on offer for a special one way fair of $250 (excluding taxes and surcharges).

“United Airways respects hardworking Bangladeshi migrant workers, who earn valuable foreign currency for the country. We want to do something special for them,” said Captain Tasbirul Ahmed Choudhury, chairman and managing director of the airline.

The company has also expressed interest in starting operations in Kuala Lumpur, Kathmandu and Bangkok shortly and expanding its fleet by adding a Boeing 767-300ER by next year to fly to London and Gulf destinations, the statement added.

http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=98373

^^
my reply to Abdulr123's previus posts:

1. bhai, NO WAY and NEVER we shall operate to TLV (Tel Aviv)!! U knw the reasons pretty well :) .....I'd rather prefer ZYL-FCO-MAN.

2. DAC-IST-BHX is better than DAC-ATQ-BHX.

3. yup i was thinking about the code-share agreement too, better do that :)

4. Ok about ur female cabin crew plan, i dont mind if they are good looking or not, but I hope they dont wear the traditional "saree"....too bad for a flight!

5. Renaming the airline, naah not Bengal or SundorBengal!!! Name it something like Avian Airlines OR Bangladesh Airways

6. remember in my last analysis, i said under the "future" title the destination DAC-MXP?? well, I think we shall add Madrid with it, alotta Bangladeshis living in Spain these days! so u may wanna add DAC-MXP-MAD or u may wanna add MAD in current plans.

I hope we are not playing a game hehe, Inshallah if everything goes according to the plan, 4H shall beat BG :)

PS: i sent u a PM, please chek it.

i am sorry, but are u really planning smthiing or its just a game or idea:nuts:

well I hope its a real plan :)

at the moment our competitors are Z4 soon we our main Competitors will the like of BA,VS,EK,SQ

You forgot to add A380 to your fleet. BTW, where will you keep all these planes? I don't think DAC can provide enough space for your super airline. And one small advice, make Mr. NG a member of the board. He can efficiently fuel your NG ideas. Maybe he'll even figure out how to put a single mystery flyer at two separate places at the same time:rofl:

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my reply to Abdulr123's previus posts:

1. bhai, NO WAY and NEVER we shall operate to TLV (Tel Aviv)!! U knw the reasons pretty well :) .....I'd rather prefer ZYL-FCO-MAN.

i think we shouldnt let our personal issues with a country effect us making money

2. DAC-IST-BHX is better than DAC-ATQ-BHX.

why not ATQ?. Birmingham do have a massive punjab community

3. yup i was thinking about the code-share agreement too, better do that :)

4. Ok about ur female cabin crew plan, i dont mind if they are good looking or not, but I hope they dont wear the traditional "saree"....too bad for a flight!

i actually think ladies in saris look stunning. but i dont no why dont see it BG female Cabin Crew. we need to find a designer who can design something comfortable to wear and looks very professional

5. Renaming the airline, naah not Bengal or SundorBengal!!! Name it something like Avian Airlines OR Bangladesh Airways

Avian Airlines sounds good

6. remember in my last analysis, i said under the "future" title the destination DAC-MXP?? well, I think we shall add Madrid with it, alotta Bangladeshis living in Spain these days! so u may wanna add DAC-MXP-MAD or u may wanna add MAD in current plans.

i totally forgot about that.

I hope we are not playing a game hehe, Inshallah if everything goes according to the plan, 4H shall beat BG :)

i agree with you

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PS: i sent u a PM, please chek it.

also we gotta target non bangladeshi as well. we shouldnt be thinkin that we only gettin Bangladeshi A to B Via C.