United Airways, a private commercial airline in the country, recently launched a direct flight to Dubai from Bangladesh.

Initially, it will operate a flight from Dhaka to Dubai every Thursday and Sunday, according to a press release.

The Dhaka-Dubai-Dhaka flight, to be operated with a 155-seat MD-83 aircraft, is on offer for a special one way fair of $250 (excluding taxes and surcharges).

http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=98373

1. With just 2x flights/week, the aircraft will see just under 30 hrs of utilization per week. Unless they improve this with the addition of routes soon, which they said they will, this is going to be a money-losing lease.

2. Now this US$ 250 deal is making my apprehensions stronger. They may actually be forced to maintain the fare at this range, subject to perhaps fuel surcharges only, in order to sell enough seats. And selling at this range, they'll NOT be able to make enough money even to pay for the maintenance reserves of the aircraft. I therefore expect that once the limits would be reached on the major components (airframe, engines, landing gears, APUs, and LLPs), they'll have to either park this aircraft due to shortage of funds (like Z5 had to) or spend out of the pocket which wouldn't be doing 'business'.

1. With just 2x flights/week, the aircraft will see just under 30 hrs of utilization per week. Unless they improve this with the addition of routes soon, which they said they will, this is going to be a money-losing lease.

2. Now this US$ 250 deal is making my apprehensions stronger. They may actually be forced to maintain the fare at this range, subject to perhaps fuel surcharges only, in order to sell enough seats. And selling at this range, they'll NOT be able to make enough money even to pay for the maintenance reserves of the aircraft. I therefore expect that once the limits would be reached on the major components (airframe, engines, landing gears, APUs, and LLPs), they'll have to either park this aircraft due to shortage of funds (like Z5 had to) or spend out of the pocket which wouldn't be doing 'business'.

Sad but true.

You forgot to add A380 to your fleet. BTW, where will you keep all these planes? I don't think DAC can provide enough space for your super airline. And one small advice, make Mr. NG a member of the board. He can efficiently fuel your NG ideas. Maybe he'll even figure out how to put a single mystery flyer at two separate places at the same time:rofl:

We have to keep dreaming of getting A380 until, at least 2025!! So let alone tht, let us first get atleast sum B777s. well yeah i also mentioned him tht ZIA needs infrastructural developments aswell as CGP and ZYL airports....he said, CAAB is thinkin of improving or sumthin like tht. Well, ZIA needs more aerobridges/gates i.e. expansion of the terminal buildings, ILS at Rwy 32, improved navigation and ATC systems, better taxiway and ground handling services and interior airport facilities.

We have to keep dreaming of getting A380 until, at least 2025!! So let alone tht, let us first get atleast sum B777s. well yeah i also mentioned him tht ZIA needs infrastructural developments aswell as CGP and ZYL airports....he said, CAAB is thinkin of improving or sumthin like tht. Well, ZIA needs more aerobridges/gates i.e. expansion of the terminal buildings, ILS at Rwy 32, improved navigation and ATC systems, better taxiway and ground handling services and interior airport facilities.

also ZYL need ILS on 11 and 29. but i am since CAAB inproving the infrastrature of the airports i guess ILS will be on their lists as well

United Airways, a private commercial airline in the country, recently launched a direct flight to Dubai from Bangladesh.

Initially, it will operate a flight from Dhaka to Dubai every Thursday and Sunday, according to a press release.

The Dhaka-Dubai-Dhaka flight, to be operated with a 155-seat MD-83 aircraft, is on offer for a special one way fair of $250 (excluding taxes and surcharges).

“United Airways respects hardworking Bangladeshi migrant workers, who earn valuable foreign currency for the country. We want to do something special for them,” said Captain Tasbirul Ahmed Choudhury, chairman and managing director of the airline.

The company has also expressed interest in starting operations in Kuala Lumpur, Kathmandu and Bangkok shortly and expanding its fleet by adding a Boeing 767-300ER by next year to fly to London and Gulf destinations, the statement added.

http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=98373

I remember reading almost the same article last year. deja vu

Never seen a B737-200 with its own staircase.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UklCfKsATo8

It was available on the 737-200s as an option, and is still offered on 737NGs/BBJs.

guys i am not sure how many of you have seen this video. what on earth!!!!!!!!!!!!!

^^ well I have seen, pretty weird !

^^ well I have seen, pretty weird !

are they on the aircraft or are they on a coach. i have been on BG fokker Many times and do not remember it to be like that.

^^ haha

Hey Guys, just checked out Jetairways.com and they will be starting daily Mumbai-Dhaka flights from August 23rd. Its suprising because i thought it would start much earlier, so now I guess there 2 airlines which operates this route almost 2x daily to Mumbai. Just want to know what are the benefits of Transiting in Mumbai.

United Airways, a private commercial airline in the country, recently launched a direct flight to Dubai from Bangladesh.

Initially, it will operate a flight from Dhaka to Dubai every Thursday and Sunday, according to a press release.

The Dhaka-Dubai-Dhaka flight, to be operated with a 155-seat MD-83 aircraft, is on offer for a special one way fair of $250 (excluding taxes and surcharges).

“United Airways respects hardworking Bangladeshi migrant workers, who earn valuable foreign currency for the country. We want to do something special for them,” said Captain Tasbirul Ahmed Choudhury, chairman and managing director of the airline.

The company has also expressed interest in starting operations in Kuala Lumpur, Kathmandu and Bangkok shortly and expanding its fleet by adding a Boeing 767-300ER by next year to fly to London and Gulf destinations, the statement added.

http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=98373

Landed in DXB 13 minutes earlier than scheduled, good start:cheers:

was is in full load?

was is in full load?

No, it was only the first flight bro.

Does anyone know how is the traffic between DAC - PBH????

are they on the aircraft or are they on a coach. i have been on BG fokker Many times and do not remember it to be like that.

The F-28s were much lower aircraft and closer to the ground, and its portside door had the stairs in it since the door could reach the ground when open. The B737s are much higher from the ground and the doors won't reach the ground. These airstairs are house just below the main deck across the the width of the cabin, and have been available as an option on all 737s...from the -100 to the NG/BBJ.

Here it is on the 737-200:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd236/TheCoolOnes/737-200.jpg

And on the BBJ:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd236/TheCoolOnes/737-bbj.jpg

Landed in DXB 13 minutes earlier than scheduled, good start:cheers:

But what happened to the inauguration by the PM, to "show the finger" to GMG, like you said?

But what happened to the inauguration by the PM, to "show the finger" to GMG, like you said?

PM probably turned them down now that she is in GMG's corner! :wink2:

Does anyone know how is the traffic between DAC - PBH????

KB operates 2x weekly flights PBH-DAC-BKK BKK-DAC-PBH.

Imran bhai, do you know anything about runway design & construction? If you do, me & a friend of mine will come to see you. If you don't, we will still come to see you.:)

Landed in DXB 13 minutes earlier than scheduled, good start:cheers:

ontime flights are definitely the key for United airways on this perticularly competetive route but its not the only thing. Fare is also what i would say is the most key factor. Also United Airways needs to make some improvements to the in flight entertainment for thei 1st medium haul flight.
Other than that, United should do better than GMG and Biman

No, it was only the first flight bro.

i know, but the flight shouldve been full load as it was the first flight with all those discounts, promotions and advertisements.:)

Bangladeshi aviation industry has been placed on the list of "Significant Safety Concern" by the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) audit risking the country's multimillion dollar airline industry of being downgraded.

The audit report on June 22, 2009 expressed dissatisfaction over the action plan undertaken by the Civil Aviation Authority of Bangladesh (CAAB).

It was a response to ICAO's earlier audit report that identified serious misconducts and mismanagement by the CAAB in issuing Air Operator Certificates (AOCs), a well placed source from the CAAB told the FE.

The Canada based UN agency that works for ensuring safe and orderly growth of international air transports has posted the audit report in its website.

Nepal was the only other Asian country on the ICAO list. Other eight countries in the list were all from the African continent.

The report labelled aviation industry of Bangladesh as a significant threat to the international aviation industry as they do not meet the minimum level of safety to operate, an independent aviation expert Imran Asif told the FE.

This will be a major drawback for the country's growing aviation industry, he said adding that both the public and private airline operators of the country will suffer due to this.

Elaborating the consequence of the enlistment, Mr Asif said Bangladeshi airline operators would lose acceptance by civil aviation authorities of other countries where scheduled flights are operated.

"If any Bangladeshi operator applies for a new route or a new entrepreneur intends to initiate business targeting a route, the host civil aviation authority is likely to reject such proposal," Mr Asif added.

"If this is truly because of the incompetent response by the CAAB as claimed by ICAO, we need to look into the root that made them do such offence," he said.

According to an insider, ICAO audit conducted from May 18 to 27, 2009 identified serious defaults particularly in the issuance process of AOCs by CAAB. It claimed that CAAB issues above mentioned certificates without ensuring full safety compliance according to the international standards.

The authority issued a letter directed to CAAB on June 6, 2009 listing number of objections along with recommendations to resolve those. The same letter also asked CAAB to take immediate corrective actions.

The ICAO recommendations particularly advised cancellation of AOC's of the operators who failed to meet the minimum (50 per cent) safety compliant standard.

http://www.thefinancialexpress-bd.com/2009/07/25/74243.html

Bangladeshi aviation industry has been placed on the list of "Significant Safety Concern" by the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) audit risking the country's multimillion dollar airline industry of being downgraded.

The audit report on June 22, 2009 expressed dissatisfaction over the action plan undertaken by the Civil Aviation Authority of Bangladesh (CAAB).

It was a response to ICAO's earlier audit report that identified serious misconducts and mismanagement by the CAAB in issuing Air Operator Certificates (AOCs), a well placed source from the CAAB told the FE.

The Canada based UN agency that works for ensuring safe and orderly growth of international air transports has posted the audit report in its website.

Nepal was the only other Asian country on the ICAO list. Other eight countries in the list were all from the African continent.

The report labelled aviation industry of Bangladesh as a significant threat to the international aviation industry as they do not meet the minimum level of safety to operate, an independent aviation expert Imran Asif told the FE.

This will be a major drawback for the country's growing aviation industry, he said adding that both the public and private airline operators of the country will suffer due to this.

Elaborating the consequence of the enlistment, Mr Asif said Bangladeshi airline operators would lose acceptance by civil aviation authorities of other countries where scheduled flights are operated.

"If any Bangladeshi operator applies for a new route or a new entrepreneur intends to initiate business targeting a route, the host civil aviation authority is likely to reject such proposal," Mr Asif added.

"If this is truly because of the incompetent response by the CAAB as claimed by ICAO, we need to look into the root that made them do such offence," he said.

According to an insider, ICAO audit conducted from May 18 to 27, 2009 identified serious defaults particularly in the issuance process of AOCs by CAAB. It claimed that CAAB issues above mentioned certificates without ensuring full safety compliance according to the international standards.

The authority issued a letter directed to CAAB on June 6, 2009 listing number of objections along with recommendations to resolve those. The same letter also asked CAAB to take immediate corrective actions.

The ICAO recommendations particularly advised cancellation of AOC's of the operators who failed to meet the minimum (50 per cent) safety compliant standard.

http://www.thefinancialexpress-bd.com/2009/07/25/74243.html

Its a shame but not unaware of

^^ really, I am ashamed!

I am quite frustrated with CAAB and BG's corrupt officials! They are the reason our aviation industry is cheap! I am afraid that if it continues like this, we may not be able to operate to many routes in the future, neither any new foreign carriers will be interested in operating to DAC! We should raise our voice to CAAB, otherwose none of the plans we did for 4H would work lol :P

Bangladeshi aviation industry has been placed on the list of "Significant Safety Concern" by the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) audit risking the country's multimillion dollar airline industry of being downgraded.

The audit report on June 22, 2009 expressed dissatisfaction over the action plan undertaken by the Civil Aviation Authority of Bangladesh (CAAB).

It was a response to ICAO's earlier audit report that identified serious misconducts and mismanagement by the CAAB in issuing Air Operator Certificates (AOCs), a well placed source from the CAAB told the FE.

The Canada based UN agency that works for ensuring safe and orderly growth of international air transports has posted the audit report in its website.

Nepal was the only other Asian country on the ICAO list. Other eight countries in the list were all from the African continent.

The report labelled aviation industry of Bangladesh as a significant threat to the international aviation industry as they do not meet the minimum level of safety to operate, an independent aviation expert Imran Asif told the FE.

This will be a major drawback for the country's growing aviation industry, he said adding that both the public and private airline operators of the country will suffer due to this.

Elaborating the consequence of the enlistment, Mr Asif said Bangladeshi airline operators would lose acceptance by civil aviation authorities of other countries where scheduled flights are operated.

"If any Bangladeshi operator applies for a new route or a new entrepreneur intends to initiate business targeting a route, the host civil aviation authority is likely to reject such proposal," Mr Asif added.

"If this is truly because of the incompetent response by the CAAB as claimed by ICAO, we need to look into the root that made them do such offence," he said.

According to an insider, ICAO audit conducted from May 18 to 27, 2009 identified serious defaults particularly in the issuance process of AOCs by CAAB. It claimed that CAAB issues above mentioned certificates without ensuring full safety compliance according to the international standards.

The authority issued a letter directed to CAAB on June 6, 2009 listing number of objections along with recommendations to resolve those. The same letter also asked CAAB to take immediate corrective actions.

The ICAO recommendations particularly advised cancellation of AOC's of the operators who failed to meet the minimum (50 per cent) safety compliant standard.

http://www.thefinancialexpress-bd.com/2009/07/25/74243.html

Imran had disclosed this information earlier.

While I hope the CAAB wakes up and does the needful, I am afraid that if things continue to slid downwards, Bangladesh may soon become the next Indonesia, where all Bangladeshi carriers would be barred to fly to most European and North American destinations.

EU recently lifted the said ban from Indonesia.

^^ I'll blow up CAAB HQ if tht happens :@

Imran bhai, do you know anything about runway design & construction? If you do, me & a friend of mine will come to see you. If you don't, we will still come to see you.:)

Well I'd be glad to help you with whatever little I know! As for your request for the contact at ZIA, the reason why I couldn't get you the details yet is because I've been on the run during the daytime for the last 2-3 days...and...errr...I forgot to dig for the info during the days! Promise to deliver on Sunday! :)

PS: Check your pm!

Bangladeshi aviation industry has been placed on the list of "Significant Safety Concern" by the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) audit risking the country's multimillion dollar airline industry of being downgraded.

The audit report on June 22, 2009 expressed dissatisfaction over the action plan undertaken by the Civil Aviation Authority of Bangladesh (CAAB).

It was a response to ICAO's earlier audit report that identified serious misconducts and mismanagement by the CAAB in issuing Air Operator Certificates (AOCs), a well placed source from the CAAB told the FE.

The Canada based UN agency that works for ensuring safe and orderly growth of international air transports has posted the audit report in its website.

Nepal was the only other Asian country on the ICAO list. Other eight countries in the list were all from the African continent.

The report labelled aviation industry of Bangladesh as a significant threat to the international aviation industry as they do not meet the minimum level of safety to operate, an independent aviation expert Imran Asif told the FE.

This will be a major drawback for the country's growing aviation industry, he said adding that both the public and private airline operators of the country will suffer due to this.

Elaborating the consequence of the enlistment, Mr Asif said Bangladeshi airline operators would lose acceptance by civil aviation authorities of other countries where scheduled flights are operated.

"If any Bangladeshi operator applies for a new route or a new entrepreneur intends to initiate business targeting a route, the host civil aviation authority is likely to reject such proposal," Mr Asif added.

"If this is truly because of the incompetent response by the CAAB as claimed by ICAO, we need to look into the root that made them do such offence," he said.

According to an insider, ICAO audit conducted from May 18 to 27, 2009 identified serious defaults particularly in the issuance process of AOCs by CAAB. It claimed that CAAB issues above mentioned certificates without ensuring full safety compliance according to the international standards.

The authority issued a letter directed to CAAB on June 6, 2009 listing number of objections along with recommendations to resolve those. The same letter also asked CAAB to take immediate corrective actions.

The ICAO recommendations particularly advised cancellation of AOC's of the operators who failed to meet the minimum (50 per cent) safety compliant standard.

http://www.thefinancialexpress-bd.com/2009/07/25/74243.html

it would be a disgrace. Its time for CAAB to do some serious work now. as Manazir said we have high hopes for 4H. :(

it would be a disgrace. Its time for CAAB to do some serious work now. as Manazir said we have high hopes for 4H. :(

Please don't have "high hopes" because you'll only disappoint yourself.

^^ well true :)

KB operates 2x weekly flights PBH-DAC-BKK BKK-DAC-PBH.
Thx ....what about pax count?? Just curious.

CAAB is plagued with corruption and inefficiency. A major shake up is needed. Although not sure if thats ever going to happen. If I remember right in late 90s the then head of CAAB went on a weed out mission. Tried to replace corruption with accountability, tightened strings. But his honesty and sincerety was no match with the scale of corruption. He end up resigning.

CAAB is plagued with corruption and inefficiency. A major shake up is needed. Although not sure if thats ever going to happen. If I remember right in late 90s the then head of CAAB went on a weed out mission. Tried to replace corruption with accountability, tightened strings. But his honesty and sincerety was no match with the scale of corruption. He end up resigning.

That is the predetermined fate of all honest folks living in Bangladesh.

First hajj flight on Oct 20 (http://bdnews24.com/details.php?id=90579&cid=2)

The first hajj flight carrying hajj pilgrims will fly to Saudi Arabia on Oct 20, the civil aviation minister said on Thursday.

Considering Nov. 27 or 28 as the probable hajj date, the work on sending hajj pilgrims will have been completed by Nov 20, GM Quader told reporters after an inter-ministerial meeting on hajj pilgrims transportation and management.

A total of 53,442 pilgrims, including around 8000 under government management, will have the opportunity to perform the yearly rituals.

Quader said Saudia Airlines will carry 20,000 and Biman Bangladesh Airlines the rest of the hajj pilgrims to Saudi Arabia.

Renting of two Boeing 747s are at the final stages and another agreement will be sealed with a aircraft rental company to keep an aircraft stand by just in case, he said.

Biman's DC-10 and two other rented aircrafts will ferry the pilgrims. Three DC-10 aircraft are now operating and during the hajj, four will be at work, he further said.

Besides, three aircrafts rented by Biman to maintain the flight schedule will be used to transport hajj passengers, he added.

He said that Hajj pilgrims this time will not have to face the problems they faced in the past. He said the government had seen to it that they did not face harassment.

Special teams will work to serve the passengers at the airport and to receive them in Saudi Arabia. Sufficient medical facilities will also be there, he said.

State minister Shahjahan Miah said houses for pilgrims going under government management had been rented and for those under private management the renting was going on.

First hajj flight on Oct 20 (http://bdnews24.com/details.php?id=90579&cid=2)

Renting of two Boeing 747s are at the final stages and another agreement will be sealed with a aircraft rental company to keep an aircraft stand by just in case, he said.

Biman's DC-10 and two other rented aircrafts will ferry the pilgrims. Three DC-10 aircraft are now operating and during the hajj, four will be at work, he further said.

Besides, three aircrafts rented by Biman to maintain the flight schedule will be used to transport hajj passengers, he added.

1. Of the 2x 747s to be leased (HS-UTN from Orient Thai and 5N-MAD from Kabo), I'm not sure if the one from Orient Thai will get the necessary approvals from the GACA of KSA. Kabo has their lobbyist at the GACA so it shouldn't be a problem.

2. 4x DC-10s are extremely unlikely to be serviceable during Hajj, as S2-ACR will finally come out of the C-Check in early August (it went in on March!) and S2-ACP and S2-ACQ will be going in for their C-Checks in August, both of which are unlikely to be done with before Hajj ops would begin on 20th Oct.

3. Induction of 3x 777s is still hanging in the middle of nowhere, and if Biman doesn't play it right, they'll lose one of their biggest chances ever as not many aircraft will be available in the course of another 4-6 months.

For the fellow members of this forum...exclusively!

Pic # 1: S2-ACP in for its A-Check, and the 2x F-28s that will never fly again...
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd236/TheCoolOnes/Hangar-01.jpg

Pic # 2: S2-ACR, been in here since March for her C-Check, and should be finally back in the air by early August...
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd236/TheCoolOnes/Hangar-02.jpg

Pic # 3: Twenty years on, and still some more days of hard work to do...
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd236/TheCoolOnes/Hangar-03.jpg

Pic # 4: S2-ACV, in for a quick check-up:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd236/TheCoolOnes/Hangar-04.jpg

Pic # 5: S2-ACV once more, behind the two bigger sisters:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd236/TheCoolOnes/Hangar-05.jpg

Pic # 6: Just shows how 'powerless' S2-ACR is...
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd236/TheCoolOnes/Hangar-06.jpg

Pic # 7: Engine # 1 of S2-ACP, being looked into...
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd236/TheCoolOnes/Hangar-07.jpg

Pic # 8: Doesn't have what it takes to be back up there anymore...
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd236/TheCoolOnes/Hangar-08.jpg

Pic # 9: Now...this is really impressive! A rat's view of the massive rig customized for the tail-section of the DC-10...also explains the impressive height of the ceiling of the hangar...
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd236/TheCoolOnes/Hangar-09.jpg

Enjoy!

"NEW ERA" :lol:

The country's youngest private carrier Aviana Airways expects to resume flights by mid-August, putting an end to its suspension of operation for nearly two months, its officials said yesterday.

The routine maintenance check-up for the company's single Dash-8 aircraft caused this 'temporary' such suspension from June 3.

However, the company officials also blamed fund constraints and delay in receiving government nod to the import of spare parts for the dislocation.

“We suspended our operation temporarily to change some spare parts and carry out maintenance check up,” Syed Habibur Rahman, managing director of the airline.

The non-resident Bangladeshi venture, which launched flights on domestic routes by the end of January last year as the fourth private carrier, fell in trouble in June this year, as it forced to ground its single 36-seater aircraft at a time when its attempt to lease a second aircraft remained unrealised because of fund shortage.

Aviana became the second local airline after Best Air, flights of which have also remained suspended for months.

“Had we managed another aircraft, we would have avoided the problem,” said Rahman.

The company officials claimed that the carrier had been doing well in terms of attracting travellers since the launch of its flights on Dhaka-Chittagong and Dhaka-Sylhet routes.

It also expanded flights to other domestic destinations--- Cox's Bazar, Jessore and Syedpur to lure more travellers by competing with other local carriers such as United Airways, GMG and Biman.

However, a poor load factor caused suspension of its flights on the Dhaka-Sylhet route within a couple of months. In May this year, it also stopped flying to Dhaka-Syedpur route for the same reason.

“Now some spare parts will arrive soon,” the Aviana MD said, adding: “We hope to go back to flight operation by the middle of next month as imports of spares parts are in the pipeline.”

http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=98629

^^ in those pics, the DC-10 looks like its doors are taken out hehe!

why did RBA change to Aviana?

^^ I think it was always knwn as Aviana, RBA was just for few days maybe?

^^ I think it was always knwn as Aviana, RBA was just for few days maybe?


okay! what about their Dash-8 has that been branded to Aviana or is it still RBA?

why did RBA change to Aviana?Aviana, for some unknown reason, is the registered name of the company in Bangladesh. RBA is the company registered in the UK and the trading/brand name of the airline.

Imran bhai is there any other reason for Royal Bengal's suspension? i.e. has the ICAO's recommendations to the CAAB play any part?

nice pics Asif Bhai, i was going to request to make a visit to the airport so u can take some pics and wind up the forum, but i didnt knew u can read minds!

Imran bhai is there any other reason for Royal Bengal's suspension? i.e. has the ICAO's recommendations to the CAAB play any part?

i think its only because of aircraft maintainance.

^^ in those pics, the DC-10 looks like its doors are taken out hehe!

well they are barely standing and i dont blame them!:nuts:

Imran bhai is there any other reason for Royal Bengal's suspension? i.e. has the ICAO's recommendations to the CAAB play any part?

From what I know, CAAB didn't take any action against RBA following on from the ICAO USOAP Audit and the subsequent listing on the SSC.

GMG Suing 2 pilots who defected to United Airways

GMG charges two pilots with contract breach

Dhaka, July 26 (bdnews24.com)—GMG Airlines has filed a case against the two foreign pilots who recently joined the United Airways on charges of not seeing out their contract with GMG.

The pilots, Captain Cheron Will Fried Orlod from New Zealand, and first officer Rudi Kurnides from Indonesia, joined GMG in December. Orlod had a five-year contract and Kurnids for one year, the lawyer for GMG, Mohammed Asaduzzaman Monir, told bdnews24.com on Sunday.

He added that they had filed an arbitration case with the Dhaka District and Sessions Judge's Court on Thursday.

The court ordered them not to work for any other airlines until they explained in writing.

Monir said the pilots joined GMG in December but walked out of their contracts in July, forcing GMG to count losses. They had been trained abroad on company expenses, Monir added.

They went home and returned to join United Airways.

Sadat Rahman, vice president, marketing and public relations of GMG, said that they had flown a plane on Thursday, violating the court orders.

"They flew a plane of the United Airways without securing a release order from us," Rahman added.

Company secretary of United Airways, ATM Nazrul Islam, told bdnews24.com, "The pilots joined them with the work visa recommended by the Board of Investment."

"How did they get the recommendations if they had not left GMG?" he questioned.

"The court ruling had said that they would not be able to fly planes until submission of the written explanation. They have submitted it on Sunday and so, they should not face any barrier to flying now."

Monir, the GMG lawyer, said they had asked the Civil Aviation Authority of Bangladesh and United Airways to take steps after Thursday's court orders.

CAAB chairman Sakib Iqbal Khan told bdnews24.com, "We haven't got any direct instruction on the matter about the two pilots."


http://bdnews24.com/details.php?id=90711&cid=2

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Shouldn't they be suing United as well? In the US you would - if nothing else, to serve notice. Of course, United would just state that the pilots came to they on their free will and United was not aware of the contract breach. But here in the States, United would do due diligence and make sure the pilots' contracts had been properly terminated -- but then again, this looks like United clearly had intended to snatch these pilots from GMG -- as they have been just copying outright GMG's entire playbook.

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc

Nice pictures Imran bhai. Can we expect to see some more soon?

GMG Suing 2 pilots who defected to United Airways

OMG!!!

I'm sure the relationship between both companies will be affected severely.
Will the Chairmans of both companies be like the next Hasina and Khaleda? Not looking eye to eye? :lol:

But I guess it was wrong for United to take their pilots. Afterall GMG have spent/ invested money in these pilots. I mean United was very naive in taking the GMG crew.

BTW will this affect United/ GMG flights?

GMG Suing 2 pilots who defected to United Airways

GMG charges two pilots with contract breach

Dhaka, July 26 (bdnews24.com)—GMG Airlines has filed a case against the two foreign pilots who recently joined the United Airways on charges of not seeing out their contract with GMG.

The pilots, Captain Cheron Will Fried Orlod from New Zealand, and first officer Rudi Kurnides from Indonesia, joined GMG in December. Orlod had a five-year contract and Kurnids for one year, the lawyer for GMG, Mohammed Asaduzzaman Monir, told bdnews24.com on Sunday.

He added that they had filed an arbitration case with the Dhaka District and Sessions Judge's Court on Thursday.

The court ordered them not to work for any other airlines until they explained in writing.

Monir said the pilots joined GMG in December but walked out of their contracts in July, forcing GMG to count losses. They had been trained abroad on company expenses, Monir added.

They went home and returned to join United Airways.

Sadat Rahman, vice president, marketing and public relations of GMG, said that they had flown a plane on Thursday, violating the court orders.

"They flew a plane of the United Airways without securing a release order from us," Rahman added.

Company secretary of United Airways, ATM Nazrul Islam, told bdnews24.com, "The pilots joined them with the work visa recommended by the Board of Investment."

"How did they get the recommendations if they had not left GMG?" he questioned.

"The court ruling had said that they would not be able to fly planes until submission of the written explanation. They have submitted it on Sunday and so, they should not face any barrier to flying now."

Monir, the GMG lawyer, said they had asked the Civil Aviation Authority of Bangladesh and United Airways to take steps after Thursday's court orders.

CAAB chairman Sakib Iqbal Khan told bdnews24.com, "We haven't got any direct instruction on the matter about the two pilots."


http://bdnews24.com/details.php?id=90711&cid=2

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Shouldn't they be suing United as well? In the US you would - if nothing else, to serve notice. Of course, United would just state that the pilots came to they on their free will and United was not aware of the contract breach. But here in the States, United would do due diligence and make sure the pilots' contracts had been properly terminated -- but then again, this looks like United clearly had intended to snatch these pilots from GMG -- as they have been just copying outright GMG's entire playbook.

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc

I agree with you wasim. same in the UK. all company will ask what is the notice period stated on your current contract of employement. United should of checked Both Pilots contracts.

Guys i was wondering. Bangladesh cricket team is playing in the West Indies. since Emirates plays a big part in sponsoring the ICC is it EK that transports The Bangladesh cricket team to destinations like West Indies?

The government has started crafting a policy to regulate allocation of frequencies on Bangladesh's air routes in a move to ease airlines' operations, officials said Sunday.

But critics say the frequency distribution policy is "meaningless" in the Bangladesh context, framing of an aviation policy would be more effective to police the nearly US$ 2.0 billion air travel sector instead.

"Our aim is to bring about transparency in the frequency distribution," a senior official at the civil aviation ministry said Sunday.

"We're, right now, facing difficulties in allocation, reallocation or cancellation of frequencies. So, it's high time to regulate the process," the official added.

Civil aviation authority is drafting the policy and its officials said the aviation regulator would send the draft policy to the aviation ministry in a month or so.

The new move comes at a time when Bangladesh's aviation sector has been steadily growing, although the global aviation industry has been hit by the deepening recession.

The International Air Transport Association (IATA), the Geneva-based trade group, has warned that the cumulative loss of the global aviation industry would top US$ 9.0 billion this year, thanks to the worst aviation downturn since September 11, 2001.

The new policy will allow the government to redistribute frequencies, if needed, every six months, an official involved in the drafting process said.

Once the policy is approved, it will help enhance transparency and accountability of the government, a senior ministry official said.

If an airline fails to utilize the frequency on a particular route, that frequency will be reallocated to other airlines, he added.

If redistributed under the policy, frequency utilization will benefit the foreign carriers operating in Bangladesh mostly, given the limited capacity of local airlines, warned Kazi Wahidul Alam, an aviation industry consultant.

Civil aviation officials said the absence of a proper frequency distribution policy is putting the government at trouble to give flying rights to the private United Airways on Dhaka-Kuala Lumpur route.

But Best Air, which has suspended its operations for months, has still retained its frequency on one of the key air routes.

Bangladesh has air services agreement with more than 70 nations across the world, but officials say Bangladeshi airlines including the state airliner Biman travel to less than 20 destinations.

Biman Bangladesh Airlines Ltd. operates to 18 countries around the world and has rights to fly to 42 more.

Mr Alam said since Bangladeshi carriers including the state airline Biman cannot currently utilise their own frequencies, the policy formulation would not spell big changes for them.

Citing Biman's example, Mr Alam, until recently a member of Biman board, said the flag carrier has left its multiple frequencies in New York, London, Riyadh, Dubai and Tokyo unused.

He added that the country's embattled private carrier GMG failed to capitalize frequencies in Dubai, Kuwait, Bahrain and Doha allocated in its favour, while Best Air ceased operation, despite having substantial frequencies on some of the country's key air routes.

"So, the question of redistribution of frequencies is irrelevant," he told the FE.


http://www.thefinancialexpress-bd.com/2009/07/27/74464.html

Civil aviation authority is drafting the policy and its officials said the aviation regulator would send the draft policy to the aviation ministry in a month or so.

http://www.thefinancialexpress-bd.com/2009/07/27/74464.html

The organization which does a pathetic job of performing its primary and essential tasks is trusted to draft this policy!

Just wait and watch as this becomes an aide for those good at flexing the muscles owing to their political orientations.

^^ so true

Guys i was wondering. Bangladesh cricket team is playing in the West Indies. since Emirates plays a big part in sponsoring the ICC is it EK that transports The Bangladesh cricket team to destinations like West Indies?

haha good question u asked, well EK doesnt fly to any Carribean destinations yet, but as a sponsorship, they might but what I can guess is most probably, they used BA.

haha good question u asked, well EK doesnt fly to any Carribean destinations yet, but as a sponsorship, they might but what I can guess is most probably, they used BA.

They flew DAC-DXB-LHR on EK & LHR-Caribbean on BA. In their last Caribbean tour they did the whole route on BA. But since BA has pulled out it's no longer possible.

P.S. Imran Bhai pls check your PM.

They flew DAC-DXB-LHR on EK & LHR-Caribbean on BA. In their last Caribbean tour they did the whole route on BA. But since BA has pulled out it's no longer possible.

P.S. Imran Bhai pls check your PM.

I have always wondered, do they fly economy of business?

^^ haha, prolly J class, who knws ;P

They flew DAC-DXB-LHR on EK & LHR-Caribbean on BA. In their last Caribbean tour they did the whole route on BA. But since BA has pulled out it's no longer possible.

P.S. Imran Bhai pls check your PM.

interesting. the BA route seem alot easier.

I have always wondered, do they fly economy of business?

i think they will fly J class.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsySCUJYESw&feature=related

effin hilarious BG announcement :lol:

^^
So who is this Kazi Wahidul Alam, aviation industry consultant?

^^

...Mr Alam, until recently a member of Biman board, ...

Seems like an ex-Biman official as well. :nuts:

I'm sure his not as good as Imran though.

The organization which does a pathetic job of performing its primary and essential tasks is trusted to draft this policy!

Just wait and watch as this becomes an aide for those good at flexing the muscles owing to their political orientations.

In that case, I should burn an Effigy of Zia and change my religion to Hasinaism, watch out Biman, GMG, UA, and the lot cause Amar Airline is coming your way. :colgate:

^^ LOL :D

Don't know where else I'd put this in -- but they have flown the first Chinese assembled Airbus A320 by AVIC (link below). This makes China a nation with 'two' in production new airliner programs (the other one is the ARJ).

http://www.airbus.com/store/photolibrary/EVENTS/CEREMONY/video/att00013777/media_object_file_highres_a320tianjinfirstflight.swf

Laid-off workers suspend protest after talks with Biman
(http://bdnews24.com/details.php?id=90734&cid=4)

Dhaka, July 26 (bdnews24.com)—Hundreds of laid-off workers of Biman Bangladesh Airlines, who have been pressing the national carrier to reinstate their jobs, suspended an ongoing protest programme for 10 days following talks with Biman authorities on Sunday.

The Biman board, meanwhile, says it has formed a committee to review the lay-off of nearly 2,000 workers.

The former workers allege that they were forced into 'voluntary retirement'.

The ex-employees were observing a sit-down protest in front of Biman headquarters in the capital on Sunday morning, when a team of their representatives met with Biman CEO and MD Muhammed Zakiul Islam.

"The authorities have assured us of reinstating our jobs within 10 days, so we've suspended the protest," said KM Shah Alam, convener of the protest group, after the meeting.

But Biman CEO and MD Muhammed Zakiul Islam said only that the committee, formed by the company's board on Saturday, would "come to a decision" within 10 days.

Biman reviewing lay-offs

Biman was transformed into a public limited company in July 2007, since when some 1,863 employees have been laid-off with redundancy pay-offs.

A Tk 300 crore loan was taken from the World Bank to pay for the redundancy package.

The Biman board has formed a committee to look at the situation, its chairman told bdnews24.com on Saturday.

"The committee will submit its report after considering the feasibility of reinstating the former employees," said Biman chairman Jamal Uddin Ahmed following a board meeting.

"The committee will forward the report to the government to make a final decision on the matter," said chairman Jamal Uddin Ahmed.

Workers 'ready to return' redundancy pay-offs

To date, 530 of laid off workers have petitioned the High Court for reinstatement of their jobs. The court has ruled on about half the petitions, ordering Biman to reinstate them. The rest are pending.

The protesting workers say the Biman authorities have made no move to reinstate any jobs despite the High Court orders.

Jamal told bdnews24.com on Saturday, "As the High Court verdicts have ordered reinstatement of some of the employees, it would not be fair to the others if similar action was not taken on their behalf."

"But we can't reinstate the workers without governmental approval, or decide on what amount of redundancy money would be recouped from the former employees."

KS Shah Alam, spokesperson for the laid-off workers, said they are ready to return their redundancy payments.

The Biman committee is headed by AFM Mesbahuddin, president of the Supreme Court Bar Association and a member of Biman's executive council. Biman's CEO and MD Mohammad Zakiul Islam, Iqbal Ahmed of Dhaka University's Institute of Business Administration and chartered accountant Shah Mohammad Zakaria Bhuiyan are also members.

Laid-off workers suspend protest after talks with Biman
(http://bdnews24.com/details.php?id=90734&cid=4)

I do not understand how Biman Operates. if Biman had made the decision of making 2000 people redundant it was for the sake of the business. Redundancy is forced in when the companies are facing Financial difficulties. Thats when it comes to cutting down costs. Biman has been forced to suspend many its routes due to financial problems and aircraft shortage. If A Tk 300 crore loan was taken from the World Bank to pay for the redundancy package why would they reinstate the employees back? Biman will be making more loss again for unwanted employees. Biman need to cut the cost to be able to survive the credit crunch. No company likes to make their workers redundant but sometimes its unavoidable.

It states that the former workers were forced into taking voluntary retirement. Doesnt Biman have a Union where they can report to and take further action? why was it not protested before they took the redundancy and the money?

The BG Board needs to think seriously. DO they need all these employees?

I think BG needs to have Willie Walsh as the CEO.

guys, i went to get tickets for my parents who is willing to travel to Dhaka this November, my parents fav carrier is Cathay so i asked for it, the agency checked for dates and told me that, Cathay will no longer be operating to Dac from december so we wont get any return flight. Why is Cathay stopping? i was under the impression that cathay(dragon air) is making good buisness...

I do not understand how Biman Operates. if Biman had made the decision of making 2000 people redundant it was for the sake of the business. Redundancy is forced in when the companies are facing Financial difficulties. Thats when it comes to cutting down costs. Biman has been forced to suspend many its routes due to financial problems and aircraft shortage. If A Tk 300 crore loan was taken from the World Bank to pay for the redundancy package why would they reinstate the employees back? Biman will be making more loss again for unwanted employees. Biman need to cut the cost to be able to survive the credit crunch. No company likes to make their workers redundant but sometimes its unavoidable.

It states that the former workers were forced into taking voluntary retirement. Doesnt Biman have a Union where they can report to and take further action? why was it not protested before they took the redundancy and the money?

The BG Board needs to think seriously. DO they need all these employees?

I think BG needs to have Willie Walsh as the CEO.

I don't know about Willie Walsh but if I was Biman CEO/MD I would not reinstate these people. They are agitating only because their safe 'looting opportunity' has passed and as Imran may have said earlier -- their ability to gain meaningful employment otherwise is nil. Biman was full of unqualified people appointed under political duress, 'suparish' etc.

I think not only should they not appoint these people -- they should now raise the bar for qualifications as there are plenty of qualified and educated young people willing to work there.

I don't know about Willie Walsh but if I was Biman CEO/MD I would not reinstate these people. They are agitating only because their safe 'looting opportunity' has passed and as Imran may have said earlier -- their ability to gain meaningful employment otherwise is nil. Biman was full of unqualified people appointed under political duress, 'suparish' etc.

I think not only should they not appoint these people -- they should now raise the bar for qualifications as there are plenty of qualified and educated young people willing to work there.



I agree with you only reason i mentioned Willie Walsh is because he is making thousands of people redundant.

I also totally agree with you there should be a qualification bar. Bangladesh has got many educated and many with overseas degree. give them a chance and maybe and the corruption and politic in BG.

^^

honestly, I can be a better CEO for Bangladesh Airlines!

guys, i went to get tickets for my parents who is willing to travel to Dhaka this November, my parents fav carrier is Cathay so i asked for it, the agency checked for dates and told me that, Cathay will no longer be operating to Dac from december so we wont get any return flight. Why is Cathay stopping? i was under the impression that cathay(dragon air) is making good buisness...

well CX doesnt fly to DAC, but here if u r talkin about KA, then alright :) ......well until now, we havent seen any news that KA will suspend its DAC operations, but if its true, God knws why they wanna suspend.....perhaps, CX wants to fly to DAC?? AFAIK, DAC-HKG route is quite feasable!

well CX doesnt fly to DAC, but here if u r talkin about KA, then alright :) ......well until now, we havent seen any news that KA will suspend its DAC operations, but if its true, God knws why they wanna suspend.....perhaps, CX wants to fly to DAC?? AFAIK, DAC-HKG route is quite feasable!

why would CX want to fly here when KA is already flying? and if thats the case why would they not make a connection when i was looking at the ticket?

^^ waiting for Imran bhai to shed sum light :)

^^ waiting for Imran bhai to shed sum light :)

same:)

guys, i went to get tickets for my parents who is willing to travel to Dhaka this November, my parents fav carrier is Cathay so i asked for it, the agency checked for dates and told me that, Cathay will no longer be operating to Dac from december so we wont get any return flight. Why is Cathay stopping? i was under the impression that cathay(dragon air) is making good buisness...

It would be a bummer if CX stopped serving DAC. My brother who lives in California uses it frequently to travel from San Francisco to Dhaka. The layover time is short and the service is very good. I wonder if they weren't pulling in enough high revenue premium passengers. BA cited that as the reason to leave DAC.

It would be a bummer if CX stopped serving DAC. My brother who lives in California uses it frequently to travel from San Francisco to Dhaka. The layover time is short and the service is very good. I wonder if they weren't pulling in enough high revenue premium passengers. BA cited that as the reason to leave DAC.

thats what i thought too....:ohno:

Greetings fellow aviation enthusiasts.

I have been reading the posts on this forum for many months & finally decided to register.

I would like to take this opportunity to pay my respects to the great minds that participate on this forum, especially Mr Imran Asif.

welcome, the more the better!

Greetings fellow aviation enthusiasts.

I have been reading the posts on this forum for many months & finally decided to register.

I would like to take this opportunity to pay my respects to the great minds that participate on this forum, especially Mr Imran Asif.

welcome, nice to see another UK friend.

Thanks guys.

I think BG needs to have Willie Walsh as the CEO.

The man by the name of Adolf Hitler could actually be a better fit for the job at Biman. :)

^^ well said :) ....btw, where are you these days lol?

Greetings fellow aviation enthusiasts.

I have been reading the posts on this forum for many months & finally decided to register.

I would like to take this opportunity to pay my respects to the great minds that participate on this forum, especially Mr Imran Asif.

Welcome to our forum bro, hope u enjoy ur stay here and yeah, we all love aviation :)

guys, i went to get tickets for my parents who is willing to travel to Dhaka this November, my parents fav carrier is Cathay so i asked for it, the agency checked for dates and told me that, Cathay will no longer be operating to Dac from december so we wont get any return flight. Why is Cathay stopping? i was under the impression that cathay(dragon air) is making good buisness...

CX and KA belong to the same group called the 'Swire Group'. CX itself operates only freighters to DAC while KA operates for pax. I'd guess that the reason for KA to pull out of DAC, if they do, could be attributed to the entry of China Eastern and China Southern to serve DAC which would probably take away a lot of China-bound pax whose only feasible option until recently was KA.

But yes, it'd perhaps make things difficult for pax travelling between Vancouver/LA/SFO and Dhaka as KA+CX often provided the most convenient of flights.

Greetings fellow aviation enthusiasts.

I have been reading the posts on this forum for many months & finally decided to register.

I would like to take this opportunity to pay my respects to the great minds that participate on this forum, especially Mr Imran Asif.

Welcome to the forum!

And I'll tell you what...it's what we all do together here that creates the magic. :)

where are you these days lol?

Chasing that neon rainbow...living that honky-tonk dream...:)

CX and KA belong to the same group called the 'Swire Group'. CX itself operates only freighters to DAC while KA operates for pax. I'd guess that the reason for KA to pull out of DAC, if they do, could be attributed to the entry of China Eastern and China Southern to serve DAC which would probably take away a lot of China-bound pax whose only feasible option until recently was KA.

But yes, it'd perhaps make things difficult for pax travelling between Vancouver/LA/SFO and Dhaka as KA+CX often provided the most convenient of flights.

well then ppl have to use EK to fly to DAC from LAX/SFO via DXB, as for flying from YVR, they may use BA to go to LHR first and then use EK to DAC!

well then ppl have to use EK to fly to DAC from LAX/SFO via DXB, as for flying from YVR, they may use BA to go to LHR first and then use EK to DAC!

well not really, they could always use, Singapore, Thai though ther are really expensive or possibly use, CX to HKG and than use BG for DAC

CX and KA belong to the same group called the 'Swire Group'. CX itself operates only freighters to DAC while KA operates for pax. I'd guess that the reason for KA to pull out of DAC, if they do, could be attributed to the entry of China Eastern and China Southern to serve DAC which would probably take away a lot of China-bound pax whose only feasible option until recently was KA.

But yes, it'd perhaps make things difficult for pax travelling between Vancouver/LA/SFO and Dhaka as KA+CX often provided the most convenient of flights.

But i thought even with the interuptions from other 2 carriers, there is still enough passengers to carry a 3 flight per week shedule with a 330 between DAC to HKG. Specially all the passengers from Australia, Vancouver, States and so on.

BA , KA ....whos next in line?

But i thought even with the interuptions from other 2 carriers, there is still enough passengers to carry a 3 flight per week shedule with a 330 between DAC to HKG. Specially all the passengers from Australia, Vancouver, States and so on.

Or atleast they can downgrade their equipment to A320.

i dunno maibe thai airways? they are not doing that good either:ohno:

BA , KA ....whos next in line?



Or atleast they can downgrade their equipment to A320.

yea but again, with such high traffic between these 2 cities, even a 777 wouldnt hurt! I think KA,CX not doing a good job here....

well not really, they could always use, Singapore, Thai though ther are really expensive or possibly use, CX to HKG and than use BG for DAC

naah forget about using 2 diff airlines, especially when it comes to BG! but yeah, I forgot that SQ and TG flies to YVR hehe, so they can use that too :)

But i thought even with the interuptions from other 2 carriers, there is still enough passengers to carry a 3 flight per week shedule with a 330 between DAC to HKG. Specially all the passengers from Australia, Vancouver, States and so on.

whaaa? they (CX/KA) operate ONLY 3x /week to DAC?? and yet, they wanna (prolly) suspend DAC :ohno:

i dunno maibe thai airways? they are not doing that good either:ohno:

naah, TG wont suspend DAC operations for sure! They were not doing good cuz of the recession, well I dunno if Thailand's economy is recovering or not, but if it recovers, then there is no way they gonna suspend DAC!

but who's next in the line....umm lets see......

even b4 BA, there were many airlines which suspended DAC operations, among them are RAK Airways (anyone knws if it resumed yet????) , Air Slovakia, KLM, Aeroflot, Uzbekistan Airways, Iran Air, SriLankan Airlines (resuming end of this year) etc .....

I hope KA doesnt suspend DAC operations though. BUT other carriers, there is no chance tht they'll suspend operating to ZIA, they r all doing good :)

Also you gotta remember 9W has got Code shares with AA and AC. yeah CX pulling out of DAC can be difficult for the north west american PAX getting to DAC. but since there is China Eastern and China Southern starting operations to DAC maybe it wont that that difficult.

^^ China Eastern operates from Kunming and perhaps, Beijing and China Southern from Guangzhou. China Eastern operates to Vancouver from Shanghai only and we have got no direct flights connecting DAC with PVG so it may be difficult.

remember bro, u had a plan 2 operate to YVR ;) ....hehe, but dont put tht as ur main objective yet! :)

DragonAir to Change HKG-DAC to HKG-DAC-KTM

http://atwonline.com/news/other.html?issueDate=7%2F29%2F2009

Dragonair will operate its Hong Kong-Kathmandu service via Dhaka Oct. 1 (increasing to five-times-weekly from thrice-weekly) aboard an A330

Not sure why they would do this if they were to suspend service altogether. Although changing the route may make more sense for them - whatever effects they are feeling from lower pax loads may be mitigated by combining the routes.

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc

DragonAir to Change HKG-DAC to HKG-DAC-KTM

http://atwonline.com/news/other.html?issueDate=7%2F29%2F2009

Dragonair will operate its Hong Kong-Kathmandu service via Dhaka Oct. 1 (increasing to five-times-weekly from thrice-weekly) aboard an A330

Not sure why they would do this if they were to suspend service altogether. Although changing the route may make more sense for them - whatever effects they are feeling from lower pax loads may be mitigated by combining the routes.

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc

Now this is interesting! Clearly the intention is to maximize load factors and hence the revenues, but what's more interesting is that they've decided to continue using the A330. From what I know QR has a few A330-200s with strengthened landing gears to operate safely to KTM. Since the A330-300 has a higher MTOW than the A330-200, I'd think that even stronger landing gears may also be required for the A333, which would require new fuse pins, outer cylinders, and inner cylinders...together costing about US$ 3m per aircraft.

DragonAir to Change HKG-DAC to HKG-DAC-KTM

http://atwonline.com/news/other.html?issueDate=7%2F29%2F2009

Dragonair will operate its Hong Kong-Kathmandu service via Dhaka Oct. 1 (increasing to five-times-weekly from thrice-weekly) aboard an A330

Not sure why they would do this if they were to suspend service altogether. Although changing the route may make more sense for them - whatever effects they are feeling from lower pax loads may be mitigated by combining the routes.

Does the KA flight will operate when return from KTM as KTM-DAC-HKG? So it is going to be 10 KA-flights landing per week in DAC. wow.

RAK must have been scrapped in the beginning of 2009. There is no news if they have reopened it or not. But the website likely to be active. :-(

^^ now thats a good news :) , well done KA!

Does the KA flight will operate when return from KTM as KTM-DAC-HKG? So it is going to be 10 KA-flights landing per week in DAC. wow.

RAK must have been scrapped in the beginning of 2009. There is no news if they have reopened it or not. But the website likely to be active. :-(

With the new routing by KA, it'd finally be possible to catch the A333 during the daytime for some photos!

RAK had a terrible fleet planning from the beginning, but they did sign an MoU or something with Boeing sometime back (did they cancel it?). Three months ago, I was told that they were in talks to lease a B747-200 from Kabo Air of Nigeria (possibly 5N-DKB or 5N-JRM). Haven't heard anything about it since.

SQ is selling 7 or 8 B777s, hence decommissioned.

Anybody know if any airline that leasing A330 or A340s for the reason decomissioned?

Originally Posted by Manazir View Post

the way u can calculate the need/demand for more aerobridges, expansion of the airport, high-speed taxiway, improved runway, better cargo facilities, aircraft maintenance services etc are that:
Those are wish list not want list (actual need).

* If there is an increasing number of passenger traffic through ZIA (currently its about 4 million).
Present infrastructure is adequate for four million passengers (annually) and then some.

* If there is an increasing number of foreign flights coming in to DAC.
NO

* If there is rapid expansion of the Bangladeshi carriers (BG, Z5, 4H etc), that will result in having more aircraft traffic as they will get lots of new aircrafts.
NO

* If there are increasing number of cargo carriers operating to DAC (for cargo section).
NO

DragonAir to Change HKG-DAC to HKG-DAC-KTM

http://atwonline.com/news/other.html?issueDate=7%2F29%2F2009

Dragonair will operate its Hong Kong-Kathmandu service via Dhaka Oct. 1 (increasing to five-times-weekly from thrice-weekly) aboard an A330

Not sure why they would do this if they were to suspend service altogether. Although changing the route may make more sense for them - whatever effects they are feeling from lower pax loads may be mitigated by combining the routes.

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc

now that answers all the questions! :nuts:
well glad to see the increase in frequency...but dunno why they are not getting enough passengers for both routes to operate direct flights....

^^ now thats a good news :) , well done KA!

as part of my route planing i had DAC-KTM-LHR. now KA is doing something similar but to HKG.

DragonAir to Change HKG-DAC to HKG-DAC-KTM

http://atwonline.com/news/other.html?issueDate=7%2F29%2F2009

Dragonair will operate its Hong Kong-Kathmandu service via Dhaka Oct. 1 (increasing to five-times-weekly from thrice-weekly) aboard an A330

Not sure why they would do this if they were to suspend service altogether. Although changing the route may make more sense for them - whatever effects they are feeling from lower pax loads may be mitigated by combining the routes.

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc

I guess BG Will soon suspend their DAC-KTM now that Dragonair will be operating to KTM via DAC. :hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

^^ haha u never know

I guess BG Will soon suspend their DAC-KTM now that Dragonair will be operating to KTM via DAC. :hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

I dont think that BG will suspend the DAC-KTM route as no other airline flying in this sector. KA is joining in the party, of cource. KA will be carrying most of the Hong Kong pax to Nepal, therefore BG not going to get affected but BG flights may be used by Smaller aircraft. Never know...

1) I don't think BG will sespend their flights from KTM because they are a lot of passengers between DAC and KTM which BG, GMG shares.
2) BG is not the only carrier between DAC- KTM, GMG operates daily flights between these 2 cities.
3) Have any of you guiss ever thought of CGP-KTM?? for some reason its seems worth a try.

a slight concern,
is it going to be like, HKG-DAC-KTM-HKG or HKG-DAC-KTM-DAC-HKG?

and if thats really what KA is planning why wouldnt they offer flights to DAC anymore? I have checked with few other agencies, everyone told me that they are not offering flights to DAC from Deember?

another concern,
As i couldnt find CX to fly, i found KW or Kuwait, its the cheapest but it has 3 transits and almost 3 days to get to DAC. Well, whats is the flight quality of KW good? any other CHEAP options i have? Qatar? is it better though?

I checked with EK but whats starting to frustrate the ppassengers is that EK is increasing their fare day by day. I understand the quality they are offering and how they are cruising to become the world's best carrier but its unacceptable to put up fares thats uncomparable with others..
here is the fares offered my some agencies here,
Kuwait- 1320
Qatar- 1535
Jet- 1610
Air Canada- 1610
Emirates- 2340~!!!!!

What the hell?????

^^

wayyyyy EK turned crazyyy ~~~ !!!! LOL :D

If I were u, I wouldnt use KU (kuwait's IATA code hehe), lol to me, it seems like they suck!
QR is definitely way better than KU. It would be worth flying with QR at that price :)
how come 9W and ACs fares are same lol?? isnt AC 'supposed' to be better than 9W in service/quality etc?

^^

wayyyyy EK turned crazyyy ~~~ !!!! LOL :D

If I were u, I wouldnt use KU (kuwait's IATA code hehe), lol to me, it seems like they suck!
QR is definitely way better than KU. It would be worth flying with QR at that price :)
how come 9W and ACs fares are same lol?? isnt AC 'supposed' to be better than 9W in service/quality etc?

AC and 9W has code shares.....its the same damm route:) and the transit in BRU is 16 hours!!:bash:

isnt AC 'supposed' to be better than 9W in service/quality etc?

You're overestimating the Americans/Canadians. When it comes to quality of services provided, especially on board, most Asian carriers beats them hollow.

You're overestimating the Americans/Canadians. When it comes to quality of services provided, especially on board, most Asian carriers beats them hollow.

oviously:lol::lol:

but Imran bhai any suggestions for my travel options,
if i fly Kuwait, here is the route
YYC-YYz (Air Canada) (A320)4 hours transit
YYZ-LHR (air canada) (773LR) 6 hours transit
LHR- Kuwait (KU) (340) 5 hours transit
Kuwait- DAC (300)

the problem is my mom is scared to fly the airbuses haha lol and i dun really blame her!:lol::lol:

If i fly Qatar,
its
Calgary to Houston
Houston to London
London to Doha
and Doha to Dhaka

good thing is, its being 77 from houston to doha:lol:

another concern,
As i couldnt find CX to fly, i found KW or Kuwait, its the cheapest but it has 3 transits and almost 3 days to get to DAC. Well, whats is the flight quality of KW good? any other CHEAP options i have? Qatar? is it better though?

I checked with EK but whats starting to frustrate the ppassengers is that EK is increasing their fare day by day. I understand the quality they are offering and how they are cruising to become the world's best carrier but its unacceptable to put up fares thats uncomparable with others..
here is the fares offered my some agencies here,
Kuwait- 1320
Qatar- 1535
Jet- 1610
Air Canada- 1610
Emirates- 2340~!!!!!

What the hell?????

From the options above, the best in my opinion is QR. For 9W, connections at BRU and DEL could be painful, especially for your mother. And now you know why EK does the robbery! ;)

You're overestimating the Americans/Canadians. When it comes to quality of services provided, especially on board, most Asian carriers beats them hollow.

so true, the world's top 10 airlines are from Asia-Pacific region hehe (CX, SQ, TG, MH, OZ, QF, NZ, EK, QR, and EY)...... I was quite surprised to see few years back tht these airlines even beat European Airlines such as BA, LH, AF, KL, LX etc.,..you can also compare their websites :D....also, European Airports like LHR, CDG, AMS, FRA looks quite messy to me, rather Asian airports look way more organized and well-designed :)

but Imran bhai any suggestions for my travel options,
if i fly Kuwait, here is the route
YYC-YYz (Air Canada) (A320)4 hours transit
YYZ-LHR (air canada) (773LR) 6 hours transit
LHR- Kuwait (KU) (340) 5 hours transit
Kuwait- DAC (300)

the problem is my mom is scared to fly the airbuses haha lol and i dun really blame her!:lol::lol:

If i fly Qatar,
its
Calgary to Houston
Houston to London
London to Doha
and Doha to Dhaka

good thing is, its being 77 from houston to doha:lol:

You may also try EY.

the route can be:

YYC-ORD, ORD-AUH (A345/6), AUH-DAC (A330)

OR

YYC-JFK, JFK-AUH, AUH-DAC :)

Gentlemen, does anyone have any updates on BG T7's or 738's?

DragonAir to Change HKG-DAC to HKG-DAC-KTM

http://atwonline.com/news/other.html?issueDate=7%2F29%2F2009

Dragonair will operate its Hong Kong-Kathmandu service via Dhaka Oct. 1 (increasing to five-times-weekly from thrice-weekly) aboard an A330

Not sure why they would do this if they were to suspend service altogether. Although changing the route may make more sense for them - whatever effects they are feeling from lower pax loads may be mitigated by combining the routes.

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc

When Dragonair first started service to dhaka the route was HKG-DAC-KTM with no 5th freedom on DAC-KTM sector. Later they discontinued KTM and operated with only one flt per week to DAC for a while. By the way I thought KA already has 5 flts a week to Dhaka. Isn't that the case?

By the way I thought KA already has 5 flts a week to Dhaka. Isn't that the case?

Yes, indeed they do. I think the article is referring to service increase to 5 flights on the HKG-KTM route, which also sees an upgrade on the equipment from an A320 to A330.

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc

^^ AFAIK, currently it flies 3x a week to DAC.

but according to Wasim / planemannyc , its 5x :)

^^ AFAIK, currently it flies 3x a week to DAC.

but according to Wasim / planemannyc , its 5x :)


Well just checked Cathay Pacific's website ...KA flies 5 times a week to dhaka.

Anybody know if any airline that leasing A330 or A340s for the reason decomissioned?

As of 9th July, the following aircraft were in my knowledge available for lease/sale:

A330-200: MSN 343; YOM 2000; 48C+182Y; avlbl for leasing from Mar10.

A340-300: MSN 13 & 15 avlbl for immediate sale/lease; MSN 450 for ACMI; MSN 167, 170, 175, 179 for sale.

Gentlemen, does anyone have any updates on BG T7's or 738's?

777s to come by October (ex-SQ, ex-CX, or ex-CZ birds).
737s to come maybe by January 2010 from GECAS.

another concern,
As i couldnt find CX to fly, i found KW or Kuwait, its the cheapest but it has 3 transits and almost 3 days to get to DAC. Well, whats is the flight quality of KW good? any other CHEAP options i have? Qatar? is it better though?

I checked with EK but whats starting to frustrate the ppassengers is that EK is increasing their fare day by day. I understand the quality they are offering and how they are cruising to become the world's best carrier but its unacceptable to put up fares thats uncomparable with others..
here is the fares offered my some agencies here,
Kuwait- 1320
Qatar- 1535
Jet- 1610
Air Canada- 1610
Emirates- 2340~!!!!!

What the hell?????
Having a slight bias towards Kuwait in general, I'd still say KU doesn't match QR, EY or even EK in service. But they are the cheapest and family and friends have used them frequently to fly from US to BD.

The JFK-KWI sector is good, but KWI-DAC is iffy with A300 aircraft plying the route. I guess for most gulf airlines, the GCC-BD service is sub par due to the demographics of the passengers.

From the options above, the best in my opinion is QR. For 9W, connections at BRU and DEL could be painful, especially for your mother. And now you know why EK does the robbery! ;)

thanx asif bhai, manazir and evryone....

Having a slight bias towards Kuwait in general, I'd still say KU doesn't match QR, EY or even EK in service. But they are the cheapest and family and friends have used them frequently to fly from US to BD.

The JFK-KWI sector is good, but KWI-DAC is iffy with A300 aircraft plying the route. I guess for most gulf airlines, the GCC-BD service is sub par due to the demographics of the passengers.

yep!

As of 9th July, the following aircraft were in my knowledge available for lease/sale:

A330-200: MSN 343; YOM 2000; 48C+182Y; avlbl for leasing from Mar10.

A340-300: MSN 13 & 15 avlbl for immediate sale/lease; MSN 450 for ACMI; MSN 167, 170, 175, 179 for sale.


Thank you, Iasif. Which airline is leasing these aircrafts?

thanx asif bhai, manazir and evryone....

You are most welcome, but do try EY if possible :)

Having a slight bias towards Kuwait in general, I'd still say KU doesn't match QR, EY or even EK in service. But they are the cheapest and family and friends have used them frequently to fly from US to BD.

The JFK-KWI sector is good, but KWI-DAC is iffy with A300 aircraft plying the route. I guess for most gulf airlines, the GCC-BD service is sub par due to the demographics of the passengers.

so true, I dont like the A300 aircraft, its too sucky and no personal in-flight entertainment in the KU aircraft!

New fleet for Biman (http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=99329)

Syed Shahid Hossain, HR Bhaban, Kakrail, DhakaWe all know that Bangladesh Biman is facing acute shortage of new planes & is looking for a partner to regain its image and keep the flight schedule. But despite lot of adds they couldn't find any suitable partner for forming an alliance. Biman is using outdated planes.

With the introduction of Anglo- French "AIRBUS" there was lot of demand for the last two decades for this aircraft in most of the developed countries due to low cost of maintenance. The " AIRBUS" then became the first choice for most of the airlines in the world & developed & developing countries have ordered in lots for their own airlines. This Anglo- French company has proved its worth in international commercial aviation market & has been able to make very good profit & fame in the commercial aviation market. Boeing though a very old & renowned commercial aircraft manufacturer of the USA was lagging a bit behind when this Anglo- French company came as their competitor.

However Boeing company of the USA has again regained their market due to its safety, stability & less fuel consumption. Biman has opted for Boeing in rebuilding its fleet.

If everything goes smoothly & the present government gives nod to this deal, we are going to receive at least 2/3 Boeing -777- 3R by the end of 2012 & another 2/3 by 2015 . When these aircrafts are added to Biman they will expand their services to New York & other destinations which presently they are unable to reach due to shortage of aircrafts.

Let us all hope that with the addition of the new fleet Biman will fly with new vigour, hospitality & dedicated service in line with the premier commercial airlines like Singapore Airlines, Emirates, Thai International, Jet Airways Who have already have the latest version of " BOEING" & "AIRBUS" in their fleets.

SOUCE: DAILY STAR (http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=99329)


New fleet for Biman

so true, I dont like the A300 aircraft, its too sucky and no personal in-flight entertainment in the KU aircraft!

If you can't do without IFE on a three/four hour flight, try DTW-NRT, some 12 hour plus flight without any IFE in coach on NW. You kids are just spoilt!

If you can't do without IFE on a three/four hour flight, try DTW-NRT, some 12 hour plus flight without any IFE in coach on NW. You kids are just spoilt!

I thought NW had IFE lol. Well then, the best IFE would be something called "eat & sleep" :D .....well yeah true, the new generations cant do without IFE :)

guys, this is a thread for international aviation stuff and there are aviation news and pics from many countries, airports, aswell as some excellent flight reports. If we have a thread named "Bangladesh Airports & Aviation", I believe we can receive a lot of foreigners who would be posting in our thread just like others! I do visit that thread sometimes and found it quite interesting. :)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=129

if you guys are intereted, I shall start the thread :) ..... i knw we already have one here, but that would be more 'international' hopefully ;)

I thought NW had IFE lol. Well then, the best IFE would be something called "eat & sleep" :D .....well yeah true, the new generations cant do without IFE :)

NW has no IFE in cattle (coach) class on their older fleet like 744 that service the long haul Asian sector but their newest A332 has IFE in all classes.

If you can't do without airline provided IFE, how about bringing your own? That's what I see on the NW (long) flights. SilkAir perhaps is most user friendly in that area. Although their A319/320s have no in-seat IFE, they offer personal DVD players on flights longer than an hour, at least they used to.

guys, this is a thread for international aviation stuff and there are aviation news and pics from many countries, airports, aswell as some excellent flight reports. If we have a thread named "Bangladesh Airports & Aviation", I believe we can receive a lot of foreigners who would be posting in our thread just like others! I do visit that thread sometimes and found it quite interesting. :)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=129

if you guys are intereted, I shall start the thread :) ..... i knw we already have one here, but that would be more 'international' hopefully ;)

u have all my support budy, a good initiative indeed:lol::cheers::cheers:

State-controlled Biman is about to hire three aircraft including Boeing 737 from two top global financiers as it moves to accelerate retiring its aged, fuel-guzzling DC-10 planes, officials said Wednesday.

The officials said that Biman Bangladesh Airlines Ltd was inking agreements with the international leasing giant Global Capital Corp for the "dry lease" of two Boeing planes by December for a five-year term.

It will also take delivery of one Airbus A-310 from the International Lease Finance Corporation (ILFC) on dry lease that involves only the supply of aircraft.

"It's a band aid. There is no other option before us," a senior Biman official said.

The official, however, declined to disclose the financial details of the deals.

Although the lease option is a temporary solution, the official said it would help the airline authority to maintain its already stressed schedules.

"We've chosen the types of aircraft so that our pilots can get accustomed to the new generation Boeing planes," he added.

The leased aircraft is expected to strengthen the carrier's ability to replace its two DC-10 planes, which Biman officials say must be replaced by 2012.

Burdened with its depleting fleet, Biman last year signed a deal with the global aviation giant Boeing to buy four 777-300ERs and four 787-8s with an option to procure four more.

Boeing said it would deliver first four 777-300 ERs in early 2013 while the rest would be supplied in phases through 2020.

The purchase order by Biman, a public limited company since 2007, represents the largest capital investment in the country's history. It has already paid $1.54 million in booking fees from its own coffers.

A person familiar with the leasing process said Biman's earlier attempts to lease B-737 planes from Hong Kong-based Cathay Pacific and Singapore Airlines had failed.

Once delivered, the leased aircraft will bring Biman's fleet strength to 11, officials said.

"If delivered in time, it will help launch our new routes including Dhaka-Tripoli," another official said.

For years, Biman has suffered an image crisis, marked by sleaze, murky past, chaotic flight schedule and fuel-inefficient planes.

Fuel makes up more than 50 per cent of Biman's operating expenses, but officials said the costs soared up to 65 per cent in July last year when oil prices topped a record $ 147 a barrel.

The aircraft hiring plan, officials say, is also part of the carrier's aggressive move to polish its image and help regain its market share.

Biman, once the leader, lost out to foreign carriers, notably a few airlines of the Gulf region. It now controls less than 20 per cent of the country's rapidly growing aviation sector.

Under pressure from the huge losses, the state carrier retrenched 2,000 workers in 2007 and suspended flights to eight loss-making international destinations. It also withdrew from the domestic market, cutting four domestic routes under its restructuring drive.

http://www.thefinancialexpress-bd.com/2009/07/31/74848.html

Bahrain air planning of DAC. Check the web of Bahrain air.


http://www.bahrainair.net/page.php?page=Network

http://www.thefinancialexpress-bd.com/2009/07/31/74848.html

Yet another report apparently without any real investigation. Heaven knows when (i) B737s were "widebodies", and (ii) either Cathay Pacific or Singapore Airlines operated the 737s!

they have been planning to come to DAC for a long time...

Thank you, Iasif. Which airline is leasing these aircrafts?

A330-200; MSN 343; offered by Air Castle (Bill Kmiotek; bkmiotek@aircastle.com)

A340-300; MSN 13 & 15; offered by GMT Global (Dale Landry; dlandry@gmt-aviation.com)

A340-300; MSN 450; offered by Chapman Freeborn (Darren Banham; leasing@chapman-freeborn.com)

A340-300; MSN 167, 170, 175 & 179; offered by Air Canada (Doug Bertoia; doug.bertoia@aircanada.ca)

Yet another report apparently without any real investigation. Heaven knows when (i) B737s were "widebodies", and (ii) either Cathay Pacific or Singapore Airlines operated the 737s!

hahahahaha:nuts::nuts::nuts:
shouldnt they consult the aviation experts before they release an article?

A very interesting article.............



Arab airline slams Ottawa, alleges 'slanderous' tactics
Documents reveal bitter spat over access to Canadian skies
25 July 2009
The Toronto Star

OTTAWA -- As federal cabinet ministers boast about opening Canadian skies to foreign airlines, transport officials have been quietly undermining plans by one of the world's biggest airlines to expand service to Toronto, documents obtained by the Star show.

In private briefings, Transport Canada officials have gone on the offensive against Emirates Airlines' request for greater access to the Canadian market, charging that the Middle Eastern carrier is "an instrument of government policy" and is heavily subsidized by the public purse.

They also suggest Transport Canada should shelter Canadian carriers from competition.

The federal government's response to Emirates' request has sparked a sharp rebuke from a senior airline executive, who accuses Transport Canada officials of making "slanderous" allegations.

In a letter to the department, Emirates Senior Vice-President Andrew Parker claims that despite the promise of extra tourism, new jobs and other economic benefits, Transport Canada wants to keep Emirates - a global carrier serving 60 countries - out of the Canadian market.

"The language Transport Canada has used over the past decade is aggressive, often biased and deeply objectionable to this carrier," Parker writes in the letter obtained by the Star.

"The real aim of these rejections is sadly to keep Emirates permanently away from Canada. ... Emirates will not be deterred," Parker writes.

The spat offers a window into the world of international air treaties, where visions of a global economy often clash with deep-seated sentiments of protectionism, national self-interest and economics.

Senior Canadian cabinet ministers have pushed for closer ties to the United Arab Emirates. That suggests the resistance to Emirates' bid to fly more often to Canada lies within the federal bureaucracy.

At the heart of the growing dispute is a request from Emirates Airlines to increase flights between Dubai and Toronto, as well as start service to Calgary and Vancouver.

The request has won broad support among municipal and provincial governments, who say the extra flights would mean more tourism, new investment and more jobs. It's estimated allowing Emirates and another UAE airline, Etihad Airways, to boost flights into Pearson alone would produce more than 500 jobs, $20 million in salaries and $13.5 million in tax revenues.

However, Transport Canada insists the current cap of six flights a week from the United Arab Emirates to Canada - split between Emirates and Etihad - is enough to serve the market.

But in a presentation obtained by the Star, titled "Blue Sky, Canada's International Air Policy," given to stakeholders this spring, senior Transport Canada officials voiced other reasons for not moving on Emirates' request, including:

"Emirates and Etihad are instruments of government policy. ... The governments are helping finance massive wide-body aircraft orders and massive expansion of airport infrastructure."

They say the market between Canada and UAE is small, suggesting it's not worth the attention.

It cites an independent study that says the public-financed expansion of aviation in the Persian Gulf will lead to "unhealthy competition and irrational commercial behaviour."

It suggests Canadian carriers need to be protected. "In international aviation, as in other strategic areas, countries are very much driven by self-interest. Canada forgets this rule at its peril," the briefing paper says. "Our sky is open, at least as open as can be given ... our national interest."

But in a six-page rebuttal to Brigita Gravitis-Beck, Transport Canada's director-general of air policy, Parker says the government allegations are ill-informed and "strongly in error."

"We are particularly offended at the suggestion - without any substantive foundation - that Emirates receives government support for aircraft purchases. We receive no subsidies or government support," Parker writes.

While Emirates is state-owned, Parker says the airline operates on a fully commercial footing with no public subsidies.

And he charges that federal bureaucrats are deliberately trying to shelter Air Canada from competition, though it doesn't fly to the UAE.

"Unlike Air Canada, Emirates does not enjoy any aero-political protection - the greatest form of subsidy," he writes.

Parker also ridicules the government claim that the existing market is insignificant, saying the true potential of the Canada-Dubai route cannot be realized because Ottawa has restricted the flights.

He says Ottawa's hard-line attitude has not changed in the last decade, despite "extraordinary" trade growth between the two nations.

"We do hope that Transport Canada will adopt a more balanced and accurate view on Emirates."

Transport officials said yesterday they were unable to comment on the dispute or their own allegations involving Emirates.

Yet another report apparently without any real investigation. Heaven knows when (i) B737s were "widebodies", and (ii) either Cathay Pacific or Singapore Airlines operated the 737s!

But as mentioned in the article, the deal didnt work? i thought the 777s are supposed to arrive by October?

I don't know why ther are picking the 777s....... in this global reccession, they should try for something smaller and stay risk free, by small aircrafts i mean, 330, 767 and so on

I don't know why ther are picking the 777s....... in this global reccession, they should try for something smaller and stay risk free, by small aircrafts i mean, 330, 767 and so on

BG has ordered the 777s from Boeing, and therefore the 777 is the way to go. A330 would be completely off the track, and the 767 would be of no good either as it'd be useless for Biman to build capabilities on this type. Besides, BG needs a DC-10 replacement with a headroom to grow...the 767s would be even smaller than the DC-10s!

A very interesting article.............



Arab airline slams Ottawa, alleges 'slanderous' tactics
Documents reveal bitter spat over access to Canadian skies
25 July 2009
The Toronto Star

OTTAWA -- As federal cabinet ministers boast about opening Canadian skies to foreign airlines, transport officials have been quietly undermining plans by one of the world's biggest airlines to expand service to Toronto, documents obtained by the Star show.

In private briefings, Transport Canada officials have gone on the offensive against Emirates Airlines' request for greater access to the Canadian market, charging that the Middle Eastern carrier is "an instrument of government policy" and is heavily subsidized by the public purse.

They also suggest Transport Canada should shelter Canadian carriers from competition.

The typical obnoxious attitude Transport Canada is known for. Period.

ok guys, here you go (refer to post # 890 and 892) , we now have our thread in the international aviation discussion section :) :

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=40554606#post40554606

please do post overthere frequently as to keep the thread alive, esp Imran bhai, QGR, TIslam, rinathq, abdulr123, akbar1, sulz, samaruf, tislam84, nayeem bhai etc hehe (srry if i forgot to mention other names) :)

The typical obnoxious attitude Transport Canada is known for. Period.

Add to that the fact that this obnoxious attitude without any factual basis, does not help anybody. Why limit UAE carriers frequencies when no Canadian airlines currently operate to DXB or plan to in the near future. I suppose the same rationale exists within Transport Canada for denying BG to operate to YYZ?

Add to that the fact that this obnoxious attitude without any factual basis, does not help anybody. Why limit UAE carriers frequencies when no Canadian airlines currently operate to DXB or plan to in the near future. I suppose the same rationale exists within Transport Canada for denying BG to operate to YYZ?

That has precisely been the case! And as far as EK's access to Canada is concerned, I have reasons to believe that in the course of time, EK will 'invade' Canada, so to speak...and more so because of the restrictive mode Transport Canada is resorting to!

EK is now the largest operator for B777 aircrafts with 78 B777s in its fleet and also, it is the only airline to operate a full B777 family , i.e. B777-200, B777-200ER, B777-200LR, B777-300, and B777-300ER.

http://www.gulfnews.com/business/Aviation/10335976.html

BG has ordered the 777s from Boeing, and therefore the 777 is the way to go. A330 would be completely off the track, and the 767 would be of no good either as it'd be useless for Biman to build capabilities on this type. Besides, BG needs a DC-10 replacement with a headroom to grow...the 767s would be even smaller than the DC-10s!

Thank you iasif for the aircraft lease details..
May be I am wrong with this idea.
B777 would be suitable to BG when it could serve more pax with few number of flights per week.

E.g. If 5 flights operated to DMM using A310, BG could operate 2 or 3 flights using B777. I think this would help BG in the global recession. But DC10 must need retirement.

guys, this is a thread for international aviation stuff and there are aviation news and pics from many countries, airports, aswell as some excellent flight reports. If we have a thread named "Bangladesh Airports & Aviation", I believe we can receive a lot of foreigners who would be posting in our thread just like others! I do visit that thread sometimes and found it quite interesting. :)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=129

if you guys are intereted, I shall start the thread :) ..... i knw we already have one here, but that would be more 'international' hopefully ;)

Very good idea...I will be posting though your thread as well.. I am pleased to tell that Bangladesh Aviation forum is the 2nd best thread after India Aviation.. in the whole Skyscraper Asia Section.
Keep it up

Bahrain air planning of DAC. Check the web of Bahrain air.

http://www.bahrainair.net/page.php?page=Network

bahrainair.com shows as they will fly Dhaka since they started. Basically Bahrainair is waiting for some A320 order. They may introduce more routes after the order receival.

Imran bhai, what'd be the flight duration between DAC-JFK?? In other words, i want to know that will a single aircraft be able to fly from DAC everyday, if, lets say the flight started at 0000 hrs and return from JFK to DAC to fly again at 0000 hrs.

:]

Thank you iasif for the aircraft lease details..
May be I am wrong with this idea.
B777 would be suitable to BG when it could serve more pax with few number of flights per week.

E.g. If 5 flights operated to DMM using A310, BG could operate 2 or 3 flights using B777. I think this would help BG in the global recession. But DC10 must need retirement.



Very good idea...I will be posting though your thread as well.. I am pleased to tell that Bangladesh Aviation forum is the 2nd best thread after India Aviation.. in the whole Skyscraper Asia Section.Keep it up



bahrainair.com shows as they will fly Dhaka since they started. Basically Bahrainair is waiting for some A320 order. They may introduce more routes after the order receival.

May be I would support your idea :)

lol I never actually visited Indian Aviation thread, but I did visit SriLankan Aviation thread, not bad :)

May be I would support your idea :)

lol I never actually visited Indian Aviation thread, but I did visit SriLankan Aviation thread, not bad :)

Thanks Manazir

DAC - JFK Nonstop flight would take around 17 hours & 20 minutes. But Air India opertes DEL-JFK nonstop, that takes 15 hr & 5 minutes. Its around 2 hours difference between DEL and DAC. At the moment I am not sure how long will take for DAC-JFK over Orient region.

Thanks Manazir

DAC - JFK Nonstop flight would take around 17 hours & 20 minutes. But Air India opertes DEL-JFK nonstop, that takes 15 hr & 5 minutes. Its around 2 hours difference between DEL and DAC. At the moment I am not sure how long will take for DAC-JFK over Orient region.

And is there a polar route?

777s to come by October (ex-SQ, ex-CX, or ex-CZ birds).
737s to come maybe by January 2010 from GECAS.

Thank you Imran Bhai.

As of 9th July, the following aircraft were in my knowledge available for lease/sale:

A330-200: MSN 343; YOM 2000; 48C+182Y; avlbl for leasing from Mar10.

A340-300: MSN 13 & 15 avlbl for immediate sale/lease; MSN 450 for ACMI; MSN 167, 170, 175, 179 for sale.

Count the Air Canada birds off the list, these are offered for sale with lease attached.

MSN: 446 is available for ACMI lease aswell. Secondly two A340-600's of Virgin are available for lease

Count the Air Canada birds off the list, these are offered for sale with lease attached.

MSN: 446 is available for ACMI lease aswell. Secondly two A340-600's of Virgin are available for lease

Thats what i thought about the AC 340

And is there a polar route?

Polar Route to JFK from Hong Kong is operated by Continental and some others. There is a risk of the fuel freezing up at some heights though.

^^
You folks may become grandpas before BG offers (or permitted to) polar routes to North America. So dream on! :cheers2:

^^
You folks may become grandpas before BG offers (or permitted to) polar routes to North America. So dream on! :cheers2:

As the ever-present optimist, let me present this plan.

1. Within ten years -- Biman's older idiots will die off, leaving the newer generation in place, who will know how to run the airline better.

2. By this time the purchased 777's and 787's will be in place, and maybe even a few 747-800's ;)

3. By this time US population of displaced immigrant Bangladeshis living in US will double -- leading to profitable daily polar flights (because Bangladeshis always fly Biman).

Now in another ten years -- most of you won't be Grandfathers, or will you?

Polar Route to JFK from Hong Kong is operated by Continental and some others. There is a risk of the fuel freezing up at some heights though.

CX used to stop in Anchorage (Alaska), when it used to fly HKG-JFK or HKG-ORD. Not sure it is still happenning. This stop was carried out of weather conditions when aircraft fly over polar route.

Currently SQ is taking the long-flight duration that is SIN-EWR by 18 hours and 50 minutes using A345.

What does Polar route mean? Pacific route? Will there be a direct flight from LA to Dhaka in the future?

Europe to Australia is the such a painful journey for passengers. There we need aircrafts like concord. haha

What does Polar route mean? Pacific route? Will there be a direct flight from LA to Dhaka in the future?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_route

Thanks Manazir

DAC - JFK Nonstop flight would take around 17 hours & 20 minutes. But Air India opertes DEL-JFK nonstop, that takes 15 hr & 5 minutes. Its around 2 hours difference between DEL and DAC. At the moment I am not sure how long will take for DAC-JFK over Orient region.

thanx for tht, but I still need to get proper answer to the second part of the question, which was:

"i want to know that will a single aircraft be able to fly from DAC everyday, if, lets say the flight started at 0000 hrs and return from JFK to DAC to fly again at 0000 hrs. "

As the ever-present optimist, let me present this plan.

1. Within ten years -- Biman's older idiots will die off, leaving the newer generation in place, who will know how to run the airline better.

2. By this time the purchased 777's and 787's will be in place, and maybe even a few 747-800's ;)

3. By this time US population of displaced immigrant Bangladeshis living in US will double -- leading to profitable daily polar flights (because Bangladeshis always fly Biman).

Now in another ten years -- most of you won't be Grandfathers, or will you?

well answered Manbil777 bhai :), u never know, u guys may see me taking control of BG inshallah someday ;) ....or even, Imran bhai :D

What does Polar route mean? Pacific route? Will there be a direct flight from LA to Dhaka in the future?

Polar route is the route which, if u see the globe, is flown over the North Pole. So in that case, the route from DAC-JFK would be that the aircraft would fly towards the north over Russia and over the North Pole to the other side of the world which is the American continent and land in JFK :)

FAA currently doesnt allow any airline to operate to LAX which doesnt come from a "category 1" airport due to safety reasons. ZIA is currently a "category 2" airport. Also, FAA doesnt allow any Bangladeshi carriers to opearte direct flights to JFK atm, so LAX is definitely out of the question.

To get direct flights to JFK and LAX for any Bangladeshi carriers, we need a category 1 ZIA airport first and proper airport and airline infrastructures :)

"i want to know that will a single aircraft be able to fly from DAC everyday, if, lets say the flight started at 0000 hrs and return from JFK to DAC to fly again at 0000 hrs. "

No.

....or even, Imran bhai :D

Never.

Polar Route to JFK from Hong Kong is operated by Continental and some others. There is a risk of the fuel freezing up at some heights though.

That risk is minimal. Following the LHR crash, both FAA and EASA (AD 2009-0142) has mandated all RR Trent 800 engines to have their Fuel/Oil Heat Exchanger (FOHE) replaced, which was found to be the cause of the crash as it allowed ice accumulation on the inlet face of the current FOHE. Here's a bit more from the rig tests:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd236/TheCoolOnes/RR-Trent800.jpg


CO operates their GE90 powered 777s from HKG to EWR using the polar route, as does SQ with their A345's on the SIN-EWR/LAX routes.

That risk is minimal. Following the LHR crash, both FAA and EASA (AD 2009-0142) has mandated all RR Trent 800 engines to have their Fuel/Oil Heat Exchanger (FOHE) replaced, which was found to be the cause of the crash as it allowed ice accumulation on the inlet face of the current FOHE. Here's a bit more from the rig tests:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd236/TheCoolOnes/RR-Trent800.jpg


CO operates their GE90 powered 777s from HKG to EWR using the polar route, as does SQ with their A345's on the SIN-EWR/LAX routes.

You seem to have access to some fantastic stuff!

^^ haha there are more, he is our aviation expert :)

PS: welcome to our forum :)

As the ever-present optimist, let me present this plan.

1. Within ten years -- Biman's older idiots will die off, leaving the newer generation in place, who will know how to run the airline better.

2. By this time the purchased 777's and 787's will be in place, and maybe even a few 747-800's ;)

3. By this time US population of displaced immigrant Bangladeshis living in US will double -- leading to profitable daily polar flights (because Bangladeshis always fly Biman).

Now in another ten years -- most of you won't be Grandfathers, or will you?

It is always good to be optimist, after all, what are we if we can't dream?

Guys please feel free to discuss here:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=924620

so far its only me and rinathq discussing, we need more ppl :)

guys guess what!

BA is flying LHR-MLE from October using a B777-200ER! now what is this lol??? They dont fly to KHI/LHE/DAC/KLL/CMB etc and they are flying to MLE .....LOL :P

Guys please feel free to discuss here:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=924620

so far its only me and rinathq discussing, we need more ppl :)

I'd hate to disappoint you, but as far as I'm concerned, I'll probably have to stick around here...for the following reasons:

1. I write the majority of my posts from my mobile, and keeping up with 2 different threads from the cell would be a daunting task, and will surely get me doomed with 'repetative stress injury'!

2. This thread has created a legacy for itself. Those who were involved from the early days would know what I'm saying. This has earned an unique focus for itself...as evident by many new members who've said they've been reading this for a long, long time.

3. And I hate to be a spoilsport, but I think "Bangladesh Aviation" pretty much includes 'airports' as well...and whatever discussion we do about intl aviation is what is mostly relevant, and helps to keep the momentum on while the local industry is out of news!

^^

haha I dont mind lol, its upto you, but I shall try my best to represent that thread to the international community :)

btw, I thought u use a laptop ;)

guys guess what!

BA is flying LHR-MLE from October using a B777-200ER! now what is this lol??? They dont fly to KHI/LHE/DAC/KLL/CMB etc and they are flying to MLE .....LOL :P

You don't have beaches/lagoons at KHI/LHE/DAC et al...BA's flight to Male will be loaded with tourists, including a lot of divers! Tourism potentials of Maldives is pretty much the reason why Thomson also flies to MLE and BMI codeshares heavily with UL.

^^

right :) ......we have Jheels, they can visit our famous MotiJheel :D ....and perhaps, see the BG office ;)

Guys please feel free to discuss here:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=924620

so far its only me and rinathq discussing, we need more ppl :)

You could always repost the post from here to there, but I don't know if you want to do a redundant task.

^^
naah I wouldnt do that, I would just discuss major stuff overthere, like news, pictures (u could do the pictures lol cuz I dnno hw to post em in forums but dont wanna learn either hehe, too lazy :P) and other relevant discussions :) .....

What does Polar route mean? Pacific route? Will there be a direct flight from LA to Dhaka in the future?

I think SQ has a SIN-LAX non-stop route flown on A340-600. Dhaka is only couple of hours away, so may be one day it might be a possibility. Hopefully it will be earlier than when I become a grandpa InshaAllah (kids are only 3 and 5 :) )

I am a new member in this Forum. But I have been following it for about a year with great interest.

I have come across something that puzzles me: www.flightstats.com lists 4H as Albatros Airways. I thought it was United Airways. Can anyone shed some light?

^^ lol so i see it in wiki, thts confusing...... two airlines sharing the same IATA code!!!! hws it possible lol?? Imran bhai can shed some light :)

PS: Welcome to our forum, lol since u have been visitng it for a year, now you can feel free to post anything :)

I'd hate to disappoint you, but as far as I'm concerned, I'll probably have to stick around here...for the following reasons:

1. I write the majority of my posts from my mobile, and keeping up with 2 different threads from the cell would be a daunting task, and will surely get me doomed with 'repetative stress injury'!

2. This thread has created a legacy for itself. Those who were involved from the early days would know what I'm saying. This has earned an unique focus for itself...as evident by many new members who've said they've been reading this for a long, long time.

3. And I hate to be a spoilsport, but I think "Bangladesh Aviation" pretty much includes 'airports' as well...and whatever discussion we do about intl aviation is what is mostly relevant, and helps to keep the momentum on while the local industry is out of news!

Imran I agree with you, I read this blog for a long time. I really enjoyed your posts. There are few other people who are also good. Please keep up your good work.

I am a new member in this Forum. But I have been following it for about a year with great interest.

I have come across something that puzzles me: www.flightstats.com lists 4H as Albatros Airways. I thought it was United Airways. Can anyone shed some light?

The IATA code of 4H was earlier assigned to the Brazilian airline called Fly Linhas Areas in 1993. That airline went defunct around 2004 and the code was reassigned to the Albanian startup called Albatros Airways, which also went defunct in 2006. Since there are only so many 2-digit alpha-numeric combination possible, IATA makes efforts to optimize the usage of the codes by reassigning them whenever possible arising out of airlines ceasing to operate. And if United does end up "buying" 2 more MD-83s as they've been touting, the 4H code should be available for re-assignment by IATA again by 2011/2012 at the absolute latest!

The reliability of data provided by Flightstats, especially for regions other than North America, is far from reliable.

I think SQ has a SIN-LAX non-stop route flown on A340-600. Dhaka is only couple of hours away, so may be one day it might be a possibility. Hopefully it will be earlier than when I become a grandpa InshaAllah (kids are only 3 and 5 :) )

By the time a Bangladeshi airline would be able/allowed to fly to the US non-stop, most of the world's inhabitants would have migrated to Mars.

I think SQ has a SIN-LAX non-stop route flown on A340-600. Dhaka is only couple of hours away, so may be one day it might be a possibility. Hopefully it will be earlier than when I become a grandpa InshaAllah (kids are only 3 and 5 :) )

Currently 18 hours 50 minutes nonstop is possible after SQ introdued the SIN-JFK by using A345 (only 100 Firstclass seats). Therefore practically It is possible to fly from DAC-LAX nonstop. BG may try those challenges once it come to the level of SQ... I pray god they should progress :)

BG may try those challenges once if come to the level of SQ... I pray god they should progress :)

What's your poison? Ones I'm used to doesn't give me nearly that kinda kick! ;)

Currently 18 hours 50 minutes nonstop is possible after SQ introdued the SIN-JFK by using A345 (only 100 Firstclass seats). Therefore practically It is possible to fly from DAC-LAX nonstop. BG may try those challenges once it come to the level of SQ... I pray god they should progress :)

It is indeed, possible to fly DAC-LAX non-stop. U can use a B777-300ER to fly it eastwards! :)

It is indeed, possible to fly DAC-LAX non-stop. U can use a B777-300ER to fly it eastwards! :)

For such a long haul flight however, polar route should be more feasible.

However, all these discussions are mere hope against hope as BG starting DAC-LAX-DAC is near to impossible with the current state of affairs.

By the time a Bangladeshi airline would be able/allowed to fly to the US non-stop, most of the world's inhabitants would have migrated to Mars.

Now now, I won't really call that optimism... :)

For such a long haul flight however, polar route should be more feasible.

However, all these discussions are mere hope against hope as BG starting DAC-LAX-DAC is near to impossible with the current state of affairs.

i am not sure about this but when your flying in a aircraft. flying towards east seems to be alot quicker then flying towards west. e.g.

EK flight (eastbound) LHR-DXB Total Duration 6Hrs 50mins on a 773
DXB-DAC Total Duration 4Hrs 40mins On a 773
EK Flight (westbound) DAC-DXB Total Duration 4Hrs 50Mins on a A332
DXB-DAC Total Duration 7Hrs 30Mins on a 773


is it cos theres more wind going east or is cos of the traffic in europe and london?

i am not sure about this but when your flying in a aircraft. flying towards east seems to be alot quicker then flying towards west. e.g.

EK flight (eastbound) LHR-DXB Total Duration 6Hrs 50mins on a 773
DXB-DAC Total Duration 4Hrs 40mins On a 773
EK Flight (westbound) DAC-DXB Total Duration 4Hrs 50Mins on a A332
DXB-DAC Total Duration 7Hrs 30Mins on a 773


is it cos theres more wind going east or is cos of the traffic in europe and london?

That is probably true. DTW bound flight from NRT (KIX) arrives at least half hour to an hour early than scheduled because of tail wind, most of the time.

Do you guys know about the COLLEGE OF AVIATION TECHNOLOGY located in Uttara, Dhaka? They claim to provide flight training from PPL to CPL and more advanced type rating. Can you guys help me to know about that college and flying school

i am not sure about this but when your flying in a aircraft. flying towards east seems to be alot quicker then flying towards west.

is it cos theres more wind going east or is cos of the traffic in europe and london?

Wind directions vary from region to region, and throughout different periods of the year. Typically, flying west from DAC usually takes longer then flying from the west to DAC. During the worst times, a DAC-JED flight takes over 1 hour extra than typical block time during the rest of the year!

As for the purely hypothetical DAC-LAX/JFK flight, the quickest (and probably the only possible with economic payload) would have to be the polar route, like this:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd236/TheCoolOnes/DAC-JFKLAX.jpg

I was thinking more of a Dhk to LA eastward flight with a refuel in Hong Kong or Seoul. Dhk is quite a bit more eastward then Colombo.

Wow Polar route looks crazy. Flying all the way over Tibet, Mongolia and Siberia. Miles of wasteland! To be honest I never knew anything like the Polar route existed.

Wow Polar route looks crazy. Flying all the way over Tibet, Mongolia and Siberia. Miles of wasteland! To be honest I never knew anything like the Polar route existed.

Not as much wasteland as you may be thinking. That map shows the polar routes considering 120 mins ETOPS...meaning there's always some place safe to land, within 120 mins of flying time, in case of an engine shutdown.

I was thinking more of a Dhk to LA eastward flight with a refuel in Hong Kong or Seoul. Dhk is quite a bit more eastward then Colombo.

Wow Polar route looks crazy. Flying all the way over Tibet, Mongolia and Siberia. Miles of wasteland! To be honest I never knew anything like the Polar route existed.

Miles of wasteland? All you see is white i.e. everything is covered with ice when flying from east to west towards the pacific, from northern US (Canada) because most of the flights are near polar route though not quite, which makes the flights pretty boring.

Not as much wasteland as you may be thinking. That map shows the polar routes considering 120 mins ETOPS...meaning there's always some place safe to land, within 120 mins of flying time, in case of an engine shutdown.

Tibet is all mountains. Mongolia and Siberia are all barren. But if its barren it prolly means its easier to make an emergency landing I would think. Imagine an emergency landing in North Siberia....makes me shudder just to think of it.

Miles of wasteland? All you see is white i.e. everything is covered with ice when flying from east to west towards the pacific, from northern US (Canada) because most of the flights are near polar route though not quite, which makes the flights pretty boring.

You mean from the east coast to the west coast of the US

Tibet is all mountains. Mongolia and Siberia are all barren. But if its barren it prolly means its easier to make an emergency landing I would think. Imagine an emergency landing in North Siberia....makes me shudder just to think of it.

^^ Yep, On the polar route, flight may have to cross countries like Tibet, China, Mongolia, Siberia, Alaska, Canada.. It will be tough if there is an emergency stop needed after crossing China.. It might be difficult for aircraft landing in those Siberian runways..

Do you guys know about the COLLEGE OF AVIATION TECHNOLOGY located in Uttara, Dhaka? They claim to provide flight training from PPL to CPL and more advanced type rating. Can you guys help me to know about that college and flying school

I heard only about Air Parabat flying Academy and Bangladesh Flying Academy. Somehow I couldnt find their contact details.

Tibet is all mountains. Mongolia and Siberia are all barren. But if its barren it prolly means its easier to make an emergency landing I would think. Imagine an emergency landing in North Siberia....makes me shudder just to think of it.

By 'safe' landing, I meant a capable airport to allow a 777 to land. That route will always have one such airport, within 120 mins of flying time on one engine, to allow the plane land safely.

You mean from the east coast to the west coast of the US
Yep. I'm directionally challenged. :)

Tibet is all mountains. Mongolia and Siberia are all barren. But if its barren it prolly means its easier to make an emergency landing I would think. Imagine an emergency landing in North Siberia....makes me shudder just to think of it.

There was a movie way back when, an airliner having to make a forced (crash) landing somewhere in Siberia, with Mikhail Baryshnikov and Gregory Heinz. I can recall a scene where Baryshnikov panicking and shredding his US passport and flushing it down the toilet. Can't remember the name of the movie.

By 'safe' landing, I meant a capable airport to allow a 777 to land. That route will always have one such airport, within 120 mins of flying time on one engine, to allow the plane land safely.

I didnt know Mongolia, Siberia and Tibet had that many aiports in their barren landscapes. How long would those routes that you proposed take to fly?

Yep. I'm directionally challenged. :)

Well it is like that if ur flying during the winter. Once you enter the western part of the US all you see is mountains anyway. I remember on the flights from LAX to Montana all you could see was Mountains.

Wind directions vary from region to region, and throughout different periods of the year. Typically, flying west from DAC usually takes longer then flying from the west to DAC. During the worst times, a DAC-JED flight takes over 1 hour extra than typical block time during the rest of the year!

As for the purely hypothetical DAC-LAX/JFK flight, the quickest (and probably the only possible with economic payload) would have to be the polar route, like this:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd236/TheCoolOnes/DAC-JFKLAX.jpg

If u guys wanna see the distances and routes between two or more destinations like that picture above, please visit here:

http://gc.kls2.com/ :)

Well it is like that if ur flying during the winter. Once you enter the western part of the US all you see is mountains anyway. I remember on the flights from LAX to Montana all you could see was Mountains.

On most clear days, you can see everything even from flight 370/390 when you're flying the traditional east to west routes. Not so when you're flying to the orient from northern cities because they go straight up, north northwest over Canada then Alaska and then turn south. On these flights you don't get to see much owing to cloud cover and northern ice (glacier).

Sorry if this was posted before -- but here is the polar routes over the years shown at Wikipedia. Interesting in that anchorage used to be a hub back in the 60's up till the 90's. And now these are all direct from the US and going mostly to Asian destinations. Some are very close to DAC even. Is there one from DEL yet? There is one that looks like it which could easily include a refueling stop at Moscow?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1d/PolarRoute.png

Not so when you're flying to the orient from northern cities because they go straight up, north northwest over Canada then Alaska and then turn south. On these flights you don't get to see much owing to cloud cover and northern ice (glacier).

Wow isnt that a lot of "Ghurla"?

I didnt know Mongolia, Siberia and Tibet had that many aiports in their barren landscapes. How long would those routes that you proposed take to fly?

Well, I don't know about the airports in that region, but I do know that if a polar route flight plan can be generated using the applicable ETOPS rule for the specific aircraft, there ought to be an airport within the defined reach (time specific).

If u guys wanna see the distances and routes between two or more destinations like that picture above, please visit here:

http://gc.kls2.com/ :)

Correction: it generates the 'great circle' distances between any 2 points, not the specific flight routes. Actual flight routes will vary, and add about 3% to the great circle distance on the thumb-rule basis. :)

^^ haha thanx for tht, btw, do u knw any other thing like that which measures/gives the duration of flights?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ILFC

seeing the wiki article, I never knew EK wud have "leased" aircrafts in its fleet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ILFC

seeing the wiki article, I never knew EK wud have "leased" aircrafts in its fleet

Almost all the world's smartest, and biggest airlines lease/lease-purchase their aircraft. Unless forced by inadvertent conditions (such as leasing companies refusing to arrange, or non-availability of used aircraft), why would anyone want to spend millions/billions out of their pockets and sink in their capital which could otherwise be used for better purposes?

^^ ahha no wonder!!!! EK has got 130+ aircrafts already so fast ;)

Well, I don't know about the airports in that region, but I do know that if a polar route flight plan can be generated using the applicable ETOPS rule for the specific aircraft, there ought to be an airport within the defined reach (time specific).

I was looking at the the cities and the airports in that region (Lena and Yenisey river Valleys East of the Altai mountain range) -- and on the encarta map alone (not all that accurate), about eight large siberian cities show up (Chelyabinsk, Omsk, Novosibirsk, Novokuznetsk, Krasnoyarsk, Irkutsk, Khabarovsk and Vladivostok) with Vladivostok (VVK) being the easternmost Russian city before Alaska and the city of Anchorage come up (been there).

You can Google <city> together with airport or plug them in wikipedia and nearly all of them show having runways of 2800m+ (about 9,200feet+) which may be plenty for a 777 to land. So contrary to popular belief -- the area is not devoid of human habitation. These airports on the map are all heavily used airports -- even in the winter and have locally based airlines which use these airports as hubs (Vladivostok Air, Yakutia). Siberia is very sparsely populated but the population is concentrated mainly in these modern cities where a lot of mining, metal+forestry processing and oil-rigs exist.

http://encarta.msn.com/map_701516529/Siberia.html

Here's a page on Vladivostok airport (VVK).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladivostok_International_Airport

Here's the ramp at Yakutsk International Airport (from Jetphoto).

http://images3.jetphotos.net/img/1/1/3/3/80066_1039973331.jpg

brother Abdulr123, here is a revised version of ur analysis by me :) :

For the time being:

Aircrafts: 25. (5x A320, 10x A330-300, and 10x B777-300ER) .....it will cost u a bit more than $3 bn.

Class: J & Y.

Destinations and aircrafts from DAC:

DAC-CGP (A320)
DAC-ZYL (A320)

DAC-DEL (A320)
DAC-CCU (A320)
DAC-BOM (A320)
DAC-KTM (A320)
DAC-KHI (A320)
DAC-BKK (A330)
DAC-SIN-SYD (77W)
DAC-KLL (A330)
DAC-HKG (A330)
DAC-PEK-NRT (A330)
DAC-ICN (A330)
DAC-DXB (77W)
DAC-TIP (A330)
DAC-NBO-JNB (77W)
DAC-ATH-AMS (77W)
DAC-LHR-MAN (77W)
DAC-FCO (77W)
DAC-FRA-CDG (77W)
DAC-BRU-JFK (77W)
DAC-BRU-YYZ (77W)

Destinations and aircrafts from CGP:

CGP-DXB (77W)
CGP-JED (77W)
CGP-RUH (A330)
CGP-AUH (A330)
CGP-DOH (77W)
CGP-MCT (A330)
CGP-AMM (A330)
CGP-KWI (77W)
CGP-BAH (A330)

Destinations and aircrafts from ZYL:

ZYL-LHR (77W)
ZYL-DXB (A330)
ZYL-BHX (77W)
ZYL-MAN / ZYL-DOH-MAN (77W)

Future:

u may add 10-15 more aircrafts (most likely B777-200LRs and B787-8) and have first class options too.

from DAC:

DAC-CMB-MLE
DAC-DXB-SEZ
DAC-DMM-CAI
DAC-BOM-MRU
DAC-IST
DAC-MXP
DAC-TAS-DME
DAC-CAN
DAC-PVG-KIX
DAC-LHE

from CGP:

CGP-DMM
CGP-BKK
CGP-KLL-SIN
CGP-TIP

from ZYL:

ZYL-BRU-JFK

Heres a image of 4H Route map. i have taken the liberty of adding a few more destinations to make the image look good. I was playing around with website brother Asif mentioned in his previous post.

http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gcmap?PATH=DAC-DEL,DAC-CCU,DAC-BOM,DAC-KTM,DAC-KHI,DAC-BKK,DAC-SIN-SYD,DAC-KLL,DAC-HKG,DAC-PEK-NRT,DAC-ICN,DAC-DXB,DAC-TIP,DAC-NBO-JNB,DAC-ATH-AMS,DAC-LHR,DAC-FCO,DAC-FRA-CDG,DAC-BRU-JFK,DAC-BRU-YYZ,DAC-BRU-LAX,DAC-BRU-SFO,CGP-DXB,CGP-JED,CGP-RUH,CGP-AUH,CGP-DOH,CGP-MCT,CGP-AMM,CGP-KWI,CGP-BAH,DAC-MAN,DAC-BHX,ZYL-LHR,ZYL-DXB,ZYL-BHX,ZYL-MAN,ZYL-DOH-MAN,DAC-BKK-AKL,DAC-CMB-MLE,DAC-DXB-SEZ,DAC-DMM-CAI,DAC-BOM-MRU,DAC-IST,DAC-MXP,DAC-TAS-DME,DAC-CAN,DAC-PVG-KIX,DAC-LHE,DAC-GIG,DAC-CAI

Check this one of the airport in the Seberia

http://www.yellowairplane.com/North_Pole_2002/Aircraft/Global_Russian_AntonovAn_74_Ice_TakeoffNorthPole.jpg

SOURCE:YELLOWAIRPLANE (http://www.yellowairplane.com/North_Pole_2002/Aircraft/Global_Russian_AntonovAn_74_Ice_TakeoffNorthPole.jpg)

Heres a image of 4H Route map. i have taken the liberty of adding a few more destinations to make the image look good. I was playing around with website brother Asif mentioned in his previous post.


I believe below routes are perfect under this economical conditions.
Its better if BG follow the below routes in this situation.

DAC-NRT - 2 days - A310
DAC-PVG - 2 days -A310
DAC-HKG - 3 days -A310
DAC-BKK - 7 days -A321
DAC-CGP-BKK - 4 days -A321
DAC-ZYL-BKK - 3 days -A321

DAC-KUL - 2 days -A321
DAC-CGP-KUL - 3 days -A321
DAC-ZYL-KUL - 2 days -A321
DAC-SIN - 2 days -A321
DAC-CGP-SIN - 3 days -A321
DAC-ZYL-SIN - 2 days -A321

DAC-YAN - 7 days -B737
DAC-KTM - 5 days -A320
DAC-DEL - 7 days -A320
DAC-BOM - 5 days-A320
DAC-CCU - 7+7 days -A321
DAC-KHI - 2 days -A320
DAC-CMB/MLE-DAC - 2 days -B737

DAC-MCT - 2 days -A321
CGP-DAC-MCT - 2 days -A321
DAC-AUH - 4 days -A321
CGP-DAC-AUH - 3 days -A321
DAC-DXB- 7 days -A321
CGP-DAC-DXB - 4 days -A321
DAC-ZYL-DXB - 3 days -A321
DAC-BAH-JED - 2 days -A321
CGP-DAC-BAH - 2 days -A321
DAC-DOH-TPO - 2 days -A310
CGP-DAC-DOH - 2 days -A321
DAC-KWI - 2 days -A321
CGP-DAC-KWI - 2 days -A321
DAC-DMM - 3 days -A321
CGP-DAC-DMM - 2 days -A321
DAC-RUH - 3 days -A321
CGP-DAC-RUH - 2 days -A321
CGP-DAC-JED- 2 days -A321
DAC-ZYL-JED - 1 day -A321

DAC-LHR - 1 day -B777
CGP-DAC-LHR - 2 days -B777
DAC-ZYL-LHR - 2 days -B777
DAC-KTM-LHR - 2 days -B777
DAC-BRU-JFK - 2 day -B777
CGP-DAC-CDG - 2 days -B777
CGP-DAC-FRA - 2 days -B777
DAC-JED-FCO - 2 days -B777

You don't have beaches/lagoons at KHI/LHE/DAC et al...BA's flight to Male will be loaded with tourists, including a lot of divers! Tourism potentials of Maldives is pretty much the reason why Thomson also flies to MLE and BMI codeshares heavily with UL.

I guess BA is tired of South Asian folks ....wants to carry only white folks. Just joaking :cheers:

I believe below routes are perfect under this economical conditions.
Its better if BG follow the below routes in this situation.


I know it's all hypothetical at the end of the day... but you need to take a serious relook at your route plan mate. Among many other things, DXB and JED are the two of BG's most important route and demand more point to point flights with much larger aircraft than A321 (specially to KSA with limited slots). Besides, BG will/should never go for A320/321, especially with B737 in the fleet.

I also believe, with the small fleet available (even after receipt of those 10 new aircrafts), BG should maintain only one hub, which has to be DAC with easy connectivity with CGP and ZYL (and probably KTM, REN and some other north-east Indian destination too which may also feed them a good number of transit passenger).

I think once BG commences with the B777-3000ERs in 2012/13, it should seriously think about entering into the Kangaroo route, by starting Dhaka-Sydney flights. It can easily snatch a major share in the Kangaroo route, by SYD-DAC-LHR sector and undercutting the price.

I believe below routes are perfect under this economical conditions.
Its better if BG follow the below routes in this situation.

DAC-NRT - 2 days - A310
DAC-PVG - 2 days -A310
DAC-HKG - 3 days -A310
DAC-BKK - 7 days -A321
DAC-CGP-BKK - 4 days -A321
DAC-ZYL-BKK - 3 days -A321

DAC-KUL - 2 days -A321
DAC-CGP-KUL - 3 days -A321
DAC-ZYL-KUL - 2 days -A321
DAC-SIN - 2 days -A321
DAC-CGP-SIN - 3 days -A321
DAC-ZYL-SIN - 2 days -A321

DAC-YAN - 7 days -B737
DAC-KTM - 5 days -A320
DAC-DEL - 7 days -A320
DAC-BOM - 5 days-A320
DAC-CCU - 7+7 days -A321
DAC-KHI - 2 days -A320
DAC-CMB/MLE-DAC - 2 days -B737

DAC-MCT - 2 days -A321
CGP-DAC-MCT - 2 days -A321
DAC-AUH - 4 days -A321
CGP-DAC-AUH - 3 days -A321
DAC-DXB- 7 days -A321
CGP-DAC-DXB - 4 days -A321
DAC-ZYL-DXB - 3 days -A321
DAC-BAH-JED - 2 days -A321
CGP-DAC-BAH - 2 days -A321
DAC-DOH-TPO - 2 days -A310
CGP-DAC-DOH - 2 days -A321
DAC-KWI - 2 days -A321
CGP-DAC-KWI - 2 days -A321
DAC-DMM - 3 days -A321
CGP-DAC-DMM - 2 days -A321
DAC-RUH - 3 days -A321
CGP-DAC-RUH - 2 days -A321
CGP-DAC-JED- 2 days -A321
DAC-ZYL-JED - 1 day -A321

DAC-LHR - 1 day -B777
CGP-DAC-LHR - 2 days -B777
DAC-ZYL-LHR - 2 days -B777
DAC-KTM-LHR - 2 days -B777
DAC-BRU-JFK - 2 day -B777
CGP-DAC-CDG - 2 days -B777
CGP-DAC-FRA - 2 days -B777
DAC-JED-FCO - 2 days -B777

Bro, I would hate to disappoint you but BG would/ should never use A310/A320/A321. For short haul routes, they go for B737-800NGs, medium-long haul routes, B777-300ERs and B787-8s (when it comes out).

Also, I didnt like the frequencies hehe. The frequencies would actually depend on the number of aircrafts in fleet and how many times they can operate per week without messing up the flight schedule!

for example, DAC-LHR : 1 day?? no way man. it should be at least 5x/week or daily flights! same with the routes of DXB, JED, FCO, BRU, JFK, NRT, RUH, KWI, KLL, SIN, DMM, MCT, AUH, FRA, CDG etc.......

hope you understand :)

By the boeing deal, BG would own 10 Boeing aircrafts by 2020. By that time, I guess none of the existing DC-10s, A310s and F-28s will be in service. Do you guys think 10 aircrafts would be enough for BG, or at any time in the future, BG would opt for the options given to Boeing? or may be some new purchase/lease......what do u think?

Heres a image of 4H Route map. i have taken the liberty of adding a few more destinations to make the image look good. I was playing around with website brother Asif mentioned in his previous post.

http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gcmap?PATH=DAC-DEL,DAC-CCU,DAC-BOM,DAC-KTM,DAC-KHI,DAC-BKK,DAC-SIN-SYD,DAC-KLL,DAC-HKG,DAC-PEK-NRT,DAC-ICN,DAC-DXB,DAC-TIP,DAC-NBO-JNB,DAC-ATH-AMS,DAC-LHR,DAC-FCO,DAC-FRA-CDG,DAC-BRU-JFK,DAC-BRU-YYZ,DAC-BRU-LAX,DAC-BRU-SFO,CGP-DXB,CGP-JED,CGP-RUH,CGP-AUH,CGP-DOH,CGP-MCT,CGP-AMM,CGP-KWI,CGP-BAH,DAC-MAN,DAC-BHX,ZYL-LHR,ZYL-DXB,ZYL-BHX,ZYL-MAN,ZYL-DOH-MAN,DAC-BKK-AKL,DAC-CMB-MLE,DAC-DXB-SEZ,DAC-DMM-CAI,DAC-BOM-MRU,DAC-IST,DAC-MXP,DAC-TAS-DME,DAC-CAN,DAC-PVG-KIX,DAC-LHE,DAC-GIG,DAC-CAI

haha no wonder I was wondering where did GRU, LAX, YVR, AKL, ANC come from lol, they were not in the route planning thing!

Also, u made the routes direct from DAC which is no way, gonna be successful routes lol. Even EK goes via SYD when they fly to AKL. For YVR, it should be via YYZ for 4H (tht goes under 'future plans' section btw). ANC, no way haha! LAX, maybe someday and also GRU......all for future plans lol. :)

Do u wanna do the flight frequency planning too? how many times a week to which routes? ;)

By the boeing deal, BG would own 10 Boeing aircrafts by 2020. By that time, I guess none of the existing DC-10s, A310s and F-28s will be in service. Do you guys think 10 aircrafts would be enough for BG, or at any time in the future, BG would opt for the options given to Boeing? or may be some new purchase/lease......what do u think?

BG also has purchase rights for 10 more of the aircrafts they ordered, i.e. 4x B777-300ER, 4x B787-8, and 2x B737-800NG. Also, I guess by 2020, BG will have enough cash to purchase more aircrafts and perhaps, it would also lease some more aircrafts by then.

Imran bhai will be able to tell us better :)

I just realised we are on our way to have "Bangladesh Aviation - part 5" thread XD:D

haha no wonder I was wondering where did GRU, LAX, YVR, AKL, ANC come from lol, they were not in the route planning thing!

Also, u made the routes direct from DAC which is no way, gonna be successful routes lol. Even EK goes via SYD when they fly to AKL. For YVR, it should be via YYZ for 4H (tht goes under 'future plans' section btw). ANC, no way haha! LAX, maybe someday and also GRU......all for future plans lol. :)

Do u wanna do the flight frequency planning too? how many times a week to which routes? ;)


Bro I never added Anchorage Airport maybe it should be YVR on the map. All the north american flights are Via BRU but for some reason you can not see it on the Map. Like i said some of the routes i have added just to look good on the map.:):):):):):)

[QUOTE=banuthev;40663714]I believe below routes are perfect under this economical conditions.
Its better if BG follow the below routes in this situation.

i have a made few comments on your north amercian and europe route. i believe you need to look into increasing the frequencies of the flights. maybe also look in to changin the A321 for the ME routes and asian routes


DAC-LHR - 1 day -B777 Daily Flights would be better or maybe even 5x aweek
CGP-DAC-LHR - 2 days -B777
DAC-ZYL-LHR - 2 days -B777 Daily Flights would be better or maybe even 5x aweek
DAC-KTM-LHR - 2 days -B777 I belive this route does have some potential. maybe Biman will be the 1st to connect KTM with LHR
DAC-BRU-JFK - 2 day -B777
CGP-DAC-CDG - 2 days -B777
CGP-DAC-FRA - 2 days -B777
DAC-JED-FCO - 2 days -B777 your better of making a direct flight

I think once BG commences with the B777-3000ERs in 2012/13, it should seriously think about entering into the Kangaroo route, by starting Dhaka-Sydney flights. It can easily snatch a major share in the Kangaroo route, by SYD-DAC-LHR sector and undercutting the price.

I like that. but will it work?

29th July

http://blogs.usatoday.com/.a/6a00d83451b46269e20115714e0594970c-320wi

United Airlines Flight 898 from Beijing to Washington Dulles today became the carrier's 10,000th flight to cross the North Pole region.

Full story:

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/item.aspx?type=blog&ak=68495594.blog

By the boeing deal, BG would own 10 Boeing aircrafts by 2020. By that time, I guess none of the existing DC-10s, A310s and F-28s will be in service. Do you guys think 10 aircrafts would be enough for BG, or at any time in the future, BG would opt for the options given to Boeing? or may be some new purchase/lease......what do u think?

Apart from the 10 aircraft on order, BG has 2 options for each type to make use of. I don't know whether BG will ever be the airline it should be. But even if it went half the way of the potential it had, by now it would've had 20+ aircraft in its fleet.

The smoothest landing I have ever seen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kj-8T1q-uM

(EK landing in MAN Ringway) :)

I like that. but will it work?

its in the 4H plan too to have a route to SYD from Bangladesh but I guess DAC-SIN-SYD would do best :). If not, DAC-BKK-SYD ... or ... DAC-KLL-SYD

its in the 4H plan too to have a route to SYD from Bangladesh but I guess DAC-SIN-SYD would do best :). If not, DAC-BKK-SYD ... or ... DAC-KLL-SYD

i no thats in the plan but will SYD-DAC-LHR work?

^^

Air Newzealand flies AKL-HKG-LHR
Qantas also flies AKL-HKG-LHR (i guess)

so there are few airlines like these who use HKG airport to fly to LHR, so I dont think SYD-DAC-LHR will be a bad idea but DAC is the main HUB in this case, its not a stopover or a "via" flight

The smoothest landing I have ever seen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kj-8T1q-uM

(EK landing in MAN Ringway) :)

This is the smoothest landing I have ever seen. :)

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Guys did the concorde ever fly to DAC? i heard it did and it also destroyed peoples houses is it true?

Guys did the concorde ever fly to DAC? i heard it did and it also destroyed peoples houses is it true?

Yes It did, I heard the Aircrafts Olympus engines knocked over a Cow's Hut.

Yes It did, I heard the Aircrafts Olympus engines knocked over a Cow's Hut.


Seriously?

I miss the Concordes flying over my house. i guess the A380s make up for it.

This is the smoothest landing I have ever seen. :)

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indeed its the smoothest :D , soo smooth that passengers didnt feel anything!

btw, i guess its London City Airport?

It sure is.