^^Reminds me of James Dean.

btw Nate - this might be a stupid question, but have you thought about displaying your best photos in Outre?

Outre don't really do many photos - so its not such a great "fit"... however, I am working on an exhibition with another photographer. He creates amazing pics of building details, lit at night. Most of his work is from Perth and Tokyo.

We are both unknowns in the photography world - so, we are carefully planning to get things absolutely right the first time. As their will be a significant skyscraper aspect, of course I will let everyone know on here when it is all happening (just don't hold your breath!).

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anyone going to ice cube?

ive got a few gigs coming up which is a bit of a change for me

mulatu, femi kuti, ice cube, sharon jones

also going to good vibes, lineup is stupidly good now that janelle monae has been added

^^ nope.

but got my tix for Tame Impala, U2, Good Vibes and Arj Barker (YAY)

And I have made sure I will not be home when Parklife happens :banana:

And I have made sure I will not be home when Parklife happens :banana:

hey mincy since u hate festivals etc, can you pls give me your free tickets? you have the right to either 2 or 4 free tickets at every event at wellington square

hey mincy since u hate festivals etc, can you pls give me your free tickets? you have the right to either 2 or 4 free tickets at every event at wellington square

What did I say about yanking my chain, eh lah.

hey mincy since u hate festivals etc, can you pls give me your free tickets? you have the right to either 2 or 4 free tickets at every event at wellington square

What did I say about yanking my chain, eh lah.

Me to thanks Mincy!! :-)

What did I say about yanking my chain, eh lah.

im serious, all you have to do is ask the promoter and you will be given free tickets for the inconvenience

so we have a deal? next event there i get your freebies?

Wow, I had no idea.

Is it too late to get them now?

Man, that sucks that I hate festivals. Why can't it be a free shoe giveaway or something actually useful.

lulz this is where my smartarse reputation works against me


yes. i am serious. yes you will give those tickets to me.

lulz this is where my smartarse reputation works against me


yes. i am serious. yes you will give those tickets to me.

That's kinda cool. My big brother will be stoked.

How do I contact the promoter? And is it too late to get tickets now?

You get me some pineapple tarts and I'll give you some free tickets. That's a pretty good deal, no? ;)

Nah, cool by me. You can have them. At least someone will benefit. I will be far, far away.

lulz this is where my smartarse reputation works against me




which reminds me....I feel your pain sanj. People I know believe me when I BS but don't when I'm telling the truth. True Story.

case in point:
(during a meeting)
boss: "So what have you been working on these days?"
me: "Nothing! I haven't done any real work in weeks"
boss: "yeah right. nice try"
me: "No I'm serious, all I've done is drink coffee and pick my nose"
boss: "You're a funny bugger"
(distracted>>>move onto some other topic)

the local promoter is boomtick, i imagine it will prob be too late for parklife but give them a call, you never know. let them know your apartment faces wellington square etc and that you believe you are entitled to 4 tickets for the inconvenience. it might end up being 2 but even that will be good.

Boomtick Events
L3, 104 Murray St, Perth 6000
Western Australia

Phone: +61 8 9325 6677
Fax: +61 8 9325 7766
Email: info@boomtick.com.au

Office hours: 9am -6pm Monday –Friday

Event Complaint Hotline (Major Events Only): 6161 0238

For information on events, or to be added to the Press Release mailing list email events@boomtick.com.au

You should've said something earlier Sank!

I just rang Boomtick and they still have tickets but she said I need to get to their office with ID and proof that I live there by 5pm TODAY to get the tickets. Today's their cut off. I've gotta hurry home for the Mooncake Festival tonight and don't have any kind of proof on me.

Urgh. Sorry pal :)

You should've said something earlier Sank!

I just rang Boomtick and they still have tickets but she said I need to get to their office with ID and proof that I live there by 5pm TODAY to get the tickets. Today's their cut off. I've gotta hurry home for the Mooncake Festival tonight and don't have any kind of proof on me.

Urgh. Sorry pal :)

no problem, i didnt want to go to this event anyway. was just putting my hat in the ring for future ones.

what mooncake festival?

Free shoe giveaway lol. You crack me up mincy.

Did a live art gig at the media/sponsor launch for the beaufort st festival tonight at clarences. Was cool to hear the organizers talking about their love of the street. And the finger food was amazing, so my next dinner out will be there. :D

I am really enjoying the latest Underworld album (Barking). That is all.

I got my Backstreet Boys Backstreet's Back album out last night.

'As Long As You Love Me' is ♥

90s nostalgia ♥

If anyone lives in East Perth and heard it on repeat for about half an hour at 10.30pm last night, twas me :D

you are such a gook sometimes mincy

did you get your michael learns to rock album out too?

:lol:

Only a fellow gook would know about Michael Learns To Rock.

But hey, it makes up for my dislike of tofu, no?

no it doesnt.

nothing makes up for a vegetarian gook not liking tofu

as if vegetarianism isnt bad enough (which trust me, it is).

what is it with you yellow people and your love of terrible ballads btw? walking through a malaysian shopping centre makes me stabby for that very reason

the absolute worst was when that lemon tree song was popular though. that, along with the bodyguard song, haunted me in the 90s in singapore.

I always despised boy bands like the Backdoor Boys. (and rubbish like Stock Aitken Waterman stuff before that)

Ahahaha...I remember that Lemon Tree song.

'That Bodyguard song'?? Whitney's 'I Will Always Love You'? Are you serious?? That song is epic. I came across her performance of it at the 1994 Grammys...sends shivers up your spine, this was when her voice was at its prime....gimme a sec to find it...

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Yeah, I'm an aberration. Not sure why I don't like tofu but I don't. Unless it has copious amounts of chilli/lemongrass/coriander with it.

As epic as the above song is, I think this one, also from The Bodyguard album is better..

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Wait till crave sees this thread.

At Hi-Mart on Barrack St (Korean supermarket)...

...there are two guys who sing Korean pop songs all day, whilst serving customers...the music is *the* gayest pop music ever, they just stand there, smiling, singing, saying thankyou come again, singing some more...

..they even home-made sell mix-CD's of the latest Korean pop..

Its hilarious!

PS - my start time today: 12.30. Tomorrow: 11.00 Day after: 12.00

I freakin love this job...we had a small(ish) boozup last night at the gallery, everyone very excited about William St...

how about some fixed opening times you fuckhead. i drove all the way there from midland and you were closed!

At Hi-Mart on Barrack St (Korean supermarket)...

...there are two guys who sing Korean pop songs all day, whilst serving customers...the music is *the* gayest pop music ever, they just stand there, smiling, singing, saying thankyou come again, singing some more...

..they even home-made sell mix-CD's of the latest Korean pop..

Its hilarious!

.

mincy just slid off her chair

^ :lol:

As epic as the above song is, I think this one, also from The Bodyguard album is better..


Sigh...'I Have Nothing' ♥

If only she didn't go down the wrong track. One of the most beautiful voices of all time.

As epic as the above song is, I think this one, also from The Bodyguard album is better..

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Wait till crave sees this thread.

lol.

how about some fixed opening times you fuckhead. i drove all the way there from midland and you were closed!

haha suck shit

meanwhile...

anyone seen this... wtf? in tha middle of no-where again! hidden!!!!

"tower of memory" located at midland rail yard development...

http://www.midlandatelier.com/images/tower12.jpg
http://www.midlandatelier.com/images/tower3.jpg

is this perth midland? wouldn't mind going on a tour or to some kind of exhibition of the old yards if thats what the sign is advertising

Lol. For those that didn't see yesterdays Sunday Times, John Hyde was in there saying the WA government should not bother designing and building a new museum, and instead just buy the Australian Pavilion from the Shanghai Expo and plonk it down. Nice one, John.

That 'tower of memory' is hot. Pity i'll never see it (maybe once) being in Midland.

Lol @JH. Bless...

Really gotta get out to midland (and armadale) before I leave.

i don't think there's been much change, investment seems to be slow, tho tha area is definitely in the right direction and it's going to be awesome to have a designated arts/design hub in midland... looking on their website, seems some quality work is being done by that crew... i wish tha govt would pump a bit more into adjoining sites and help it along...

looking at woodbridge lakes, there are still lots still to be developed, that sub-division happened years ago... same goes with tha crescent, some lots are still vacant...

Lol. For those that didn't see yesterdays Sunday Times, John Hyde was in there saying the WA government should not bother designing and building a new museum, and instead just buy the Australian Pavilion from the Shanghai Expo and plonk it down. Nice one, John.

I actually don't think that's a bad idea. It's an awesome building that Perth is desperate for.

Yeah but it is not suitable to be the main building for out State Museum. It needs a purpose built facility that appropriately interacts with its surroundings. I wouldn't be against it being purchased and used in another way.

^^Possibly, but I don't see how this building would interact with its surrounds any less than our current stock of skyscrapers. Even if we were to use this for another purpose, ostensibly it would still have to interact with its surrounds. I would argue firstly that the structure is partly modelled on a WA icon, Wave Rock, and secondly that if this were the design proposed from scratch for our museum, we would be filling our shorts in excitement. What would be a more appropriate design in its place? Anyway, just my 2c worth :) I really like the building, and besides, we have to bottle any feasible suggestion coming from John Hyde...

On another note, I think it is perfectly Western Australian to buy this building/kit-iconic-museum. It's been discussed on another thread how our real estate market won't allow us to build anything exciting unless it can turn a buck. With the purchase of this building we get to save a dollar and have something interesting grace our otherwise desert of contemporary design.

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i'd buy that building and plonk it at uni... not tha foreshore...

Hands up who else was completely underwhelmed with KOL's new single 'Radioactive'.

Urgh.

These are the same guys who did 'Revelry'? Really?

lulz mincy

those self absorbed twats were never as good as they were/are made out to be

if anything, from my limited knowledge of the band, their last album wasnt as good as their prior ones

I have a copy of the movie "Machete" going to watch it tomorrow night!!

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/machete/

lulz mincy

those self absorbed twats were never as good as they were/are made out to be

if anything, from my limited knowledge of the band, their last album wasnt as good as their prior ones

That's a massive understatement. "Sex on Fire" makes me want to chop my ears off.

true, but you know me tbor, id rather not express such a strong opinion in case i offend anyone

ha yep, you're such a pacifist ;)

if anything, from my limited knowledge of the band, their last album wasnt as good as their prior ones

most def. Though their earlier albums are a completely different style of music IMO... they kind of sold out to main stream popularity (not that I really liked them anyway).

The frontman in Groove Amada gave the KOL motorcade the finger at a UK music festival and got kicked out :D.

if anything, from my limited knowledge of the band, their last album wasnt as good as their prior ones

I have/had all four albums and thought the first two were sheer and utter rubbish. Just wailing and whining and screaming.

Best albums were the last two. I am still looking forward to the release of the new one next month.

But as Aaron pointed out, the first two were of a completely different style. Depends what you're into and what you prefer really.

Hands up who else was completely underwhelmed with KOL's new single 'Radioactive'.

Urgh.

These are the same guys who did 'Revelry'? Really?

Well it took you a while to realise that they had become shit, but welcome to the club mincy :)

I have/had all four albums and thought the first two were sheer and utter rubbish. Just wailing and whining and screaming.


lol, I'm a big fan of the first two albums :)

On the last two albums they broadened their audience and as a result were played to death on commercial radio. As a talentless music snob - I'm not allowed to like them anymore (Triple J and NME told me so) :banana:

1st album = good
2nd album = better
3rd album = more commercial sound, but still good
4th album = shit

This is true.

Well it took you a while to realise that they had become shit, but welcome to the club mincy :)

Wouldn't dismiss them as that just yet. I'll make judgement when the new album comes out.



On the last two albums they broadened their audience and as a result were played to death on commercial radio.

I do agree with you on this. Partly why I don't listen to the radio, it can kill a perfectly good song.

really? you dont listen to radio at all?

i dont know where i would be without RTR

shows like black & blue, full freq, soulsides etc have introduced me to soooo much good music

Unless I'm in the car with someone else, no, I don't.

I also hate the constant chatter about utter crap. Fifi Box has got to be the most annoying person on earth.

i can't stand kol... past, present, future.

:)

Fifi Box has got to be the most annoying person on earth.

amen sista

really? you dont listen to radio at all?

i dont know where i would be without RTR

shows like black & blue, full freq, soulsides etc have introduced me to soooo much good music

Having to change the station because you don't like the song is a pain in the ass, especially whilst driving - i use to listen to All city because my cousin was on their sometimes,occasionally full frequency and if i'm home i listen to bass check depending who's on.

Having to change the station because you don't like the song is a pain in the ass, especially whilst driving.

I feel your pain. We're doing it really tough in Australia.

ease up samby... he might not have thumbs to reach over tha steering wheel audio controls... :p

I just bought and listened to the new John Legend & Roots album wake up!

It is friggin amazing!! makes up for the Roots mildly disappointing album released earlier this year!!

p.s King of Leon are lame!

I feel your pain. We're doing it really tough in Australia.

I know you're stirring, but the point is whilst driving and watching the road (being responsible) if there is only 1 or 2 stations i'd listen to, then scrolling through heeps of them is a pain in the ring. Also i have a good pioneer tuner that cost me about $400 and doesn't have those little tabs "1, 2, 3 , 4 etc" with programmed radio stations and that's half the reason i brought it - because i don't listen to the radio. Has a USB front in, aux, cd etc. the remote has "seek" up and down but it hasn't had batteries for a while and considering i like being in control of what i listen to there really is no need for the radio.

well maybe you shouldnt assume we are all affluent enough to buy such fancy tuners?

brainwashed much?

okay...

my car still has a tape deck. and no cd. ftw.

I know you're stirring, but the point is whilst driving and watching the road (being responsible) if there is only 1 or 2 stations i'd listen to, then scrolling through heeps of them is a pain in the ring. Also i have a good pioneer tuner that cost me about $400 and doesn't have those little tabs "1, 2, 3 , 4 etc" with programmed radio stations and that's half the reason i brought it - because i don't listen to the radio. Has a USB front in, aux, cd etc. the remote has "seek" up and down but it hasn't had batteries for a while and considering i like being in control of what i listen to there really is no need for the radio.

yeah I was just trolling but after reading that post my head just exploded.

my car still has a tape deck. and no cd. ftw.

8 Track?

I know you're stirring, but the point is whilst driving and watching the road (being responsible) if there is only 1 or 2 stations i'd listen to, then scrolling through heeps of them is a pain in the ring. Also i have a good pioneer tuner that cost me about $400 and doesn't have those little tabs "1, 2, 3 , 4 etc" with programmed radio stations and that's half the reason i brought it - because i don't listen to the radio. Has a USB front in, aux, cd etc. the remote has "seek" up and down but it hasn't had batteries for a while and considering i like being in control of what i listen to there really is no need for the radio.

does this happen while you're drunk (but still a safe driver) and just thought you'd drop a mate home? or does it only happen after a few weed-durries? or on the way to 'pick up'?

does this happen while you're drunk (but still a safe driver) and just thought you'd drop a mate home? or does it only happen after a few weed-durries? or on the way to 'pick up'?

:lol::lol::lol::lol:


to be fair im sure his fancy tuner links up well to the iphone he "found"

8 Track?

you know it.

and my radio recently malfunctioned.

you know it.

and my radio recently malfunctioned.

Living large!

Living large!

and it's an auto. driving for me is a non-thinking, silent, self-indulgent experience now. a bit like being sanj for a few hours each day.

and it's an auto. driving for me is a non-thinking, silent, self-indulgent experience now. a bit like being sanj for a few hours each day.

:lol:

you take that back, i am far from silent!

well played btw

damn aaron carl died today, RIP

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awesome name.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOgkRniSNTs

Nate, you know that James Jean piece I bought from you a few weeks back, I just realized I have a Nike Tshirt that he also designed... it is madness!

^^

sick! can you find a picture online and put it here?

Also, our next exhibition is 5th November - Audrey Kawasaki - more details soon.

Importantly, we now have sponsorship from Heineken and a local Wine Library!

All welcome.

does this happen while you're drunk (but still a safe driver) and just thought you'd drop a mate home? or does it only happen after a few weed-durries? or on the way to 'pick up'?

i'll admit this is funny, but it doesn't make any sense in relation to what i said.

*Also the iphone was actually found, but whatever

something to make up for my off topicness

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^^

sick! can you find a picture online and put it here?

Also, our next exhibition is 5th November - Audrey Kawasaki - more details soon.

Importantly, we now have sponsorship from Heineken and a local Wine Library!

All welcome.

I'll tell you what, I will walk past your gallery this evening on my way home and press it up against the glass for you to enjoy!! :lol:

I am so at the next exhibition, my wife really loved the Kawaskai you have on your walls...

^^

sick! can you find a picture online and put it here?

Also, our next exhibition is 5th November - Audrey Kawasaki - more details soon.

Importantly, we now have sponsorship from Heineken and a local Wine Library!

All welcome.

http://veerle-v2.duoh.com/art/comments/james_jean/

2nd last pic :)

Thanks Gabe! nice tshirt.... James Jean is da man.

..and yes...Audrey should be a fun night...!

Hey DR, I just saw your piece in Hosier Lane in a story on street art on ABC News24.

Hey DR, I just saw your piece in Hosier Lane in a story on street art on ABC News24.

Awesome! :D

not normally a fan of dubstep but this song is pretty damn cool

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Not a big fan of the vocal, or magnetic man in general. I think the three getting together has allowed them to become a bit more commercialized without discrediting their names, the music is ok and theres a few decent tracks but it seems dumbed down in comparison to what they produce individually. Plenty of people i know who are just the typical commercial festival music type people i find are getting into magnetic man.

Not a big fan of the vocal, or magnetic man in general. I think the three getting together has allowed them to become a bit more commercialized without discrediting their names, the music is ok and theres a few decent tracks but it seems dumbed down in comparison to what they produce individually. Plenty of people i know who are just the typical commercial festival music type people i find are getting into magnetic man.

did u just call me a c**t?

i can see what youre saying re it not being dubstep for purists but most dubstep is shit, i cant wait for the fad to be over. how people can handle a whole night of it is beyond comprehension for me. also the number of fucking chinstrokers recently re dubstep is disturbing. if i wanted to see a bunch of dudes stroking their chins and discussing what they are hearing in depth id go to a detroit techno gig

btw i realise it is entirely subjective, this genuinely isnt me trying to stir you (for once)

haha chin stroking, i suppose i'd call myself a purist, and a bit of a chin stroker.

A fair amount of it is shit to be honest, i've found myself getting into garage/future garage a lot and anything with good drum variation i'm so over the generic: kick snare, kick kick kick snare, kick snare, kick kick snare *insert some egg shakers in between after 8 bars on top and thats about it. The worst is the so called "filth" which is that in your face, tear out, wub wow *crazy chainsaw in between* wubwubwubwububwub *robot noise with two lazer gun shots* etc. that's been coined "brostep"

The fact i buy vinyl helps me filter out a lot of the shit tunes, something won't get pressed if it's shit and most the the stuff i like gets pressed because a lot the more commercial/cheesey producers don't care for wax and always mix on cdjs anyway. I also avoid youtube avidly because half of the tunes are people wanting to get hits to get their name out there and theres no quality control. Soundcloud is a good source for more original music and a good source of feedback most of the registered users are producers and not just randoms who've jumped on the bandwagon.

I don't really go see too many acts anymore. It does become pretty hard to tolerate, but that's just because everyone has different taste, perth has some quality local dj's but theres been a huge influx lately and everyone just seems to play the same played out sound. Theres also a shitload of hipsters/scene kids who are on the dubstep train who i can't tolerate with their where's wally mustache's, tight jeans, and terrible dancing, i'm even hearing people are starting to mosh to dubstep.. wtf?

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A scene always gets killed when it becomes popular. If I like something I pray it never goes viral, if it does I give it a rest until its out of fashion again, but then it goes retro. You can't win :lol:

That was always one of the things that really annoyed me about Perth. It was so tough to get variety. I remember on of the Summadayze that I went to had an awesome lineup but instead of playing the sorts of sets I was expecting (in line with what they had been playing overseas at gigs) they all played the same kind of set. Very disappointing.

That was always one of the things that really annoyed me about Perth. It was so tough to get variety. I remember on of the Summadayze that I went to had an awesome lineup but instead of playing the sorts of sets I was expecting (in line with what they had been playing overseas at gigs) they all played the same kind of set. Very disappointing.

i actually disagree failry strongly with that. there is a lot of variety in when it comes to gigs, you cant go to one of the biggest and most commercial festivals like summadayze expecting variety

^^Why not? If there are multiple tents and DJs that are known for playing music that is not the same, there should still be variety, even if it is commercial variety. Summadayze was really good 2 years prior to that, and not bad the year before.

V Festival 2008 was one of my favourite ones that I've been to though, and that was in Perth and commercial but provided variety. I think WA does rock festivals better than it does dance ones.

Just from my personal experience.

^^ I hear that!!

Dubstep is poor mans hip hop... but out of all the electro/techno music I prefer dubstep the most... DnB is yuck and dance is cheese!

Dubstep is poor mans hip hop... but out of all the electro/techno music I prefer dubstep the most... DnB is yuck and dance is cheese!

some someone who is into music and produces it that is among the most ignorant statements i have read in a while

electro has absolutely nothing to do with techno for one

dance is cheese? pls define dance music because that is a fairly all-encompassing statement

acc - just saw your post, will reply in a bit

^^ Broad and general statement yes...

But dance music to me is cheese and no musical talent is required to produce it!! And anyone who suggests otherwise is kidding themselves.. All music production equipment comes with dance/electro/DnB samples loaded ready to be used.

Hypocrite maybe, but at least I try and make music and not recycle or remix it.

again, my question is what is "dance" music?

are u telling me you dont sample by the way? the criticism u are levelling at "dance" music is one that is used by people to criticise hip hop as well (i disagree with it btw). i do find the idea that there is no talent involved in ANY production of ANY "dance" music pretty laughable considering some of the talent out there

there certainly are a hell of a lot of hacks though so i do agree with you somewhat

btw epic lulz @ not recycling or remixing, so much of hip hop involves sampling. hell you have sampled stevie wonder a few times yourself so it seems a bit hypocritical

im not criticising the genre by the way, ive got no issue with sampling etc when done well and as you know i am a hip hop fan

Wow Gabe. I thought you were sensible.

To me music is about the end result. Doesn't matter how you get there. Electronic production gives people who are very creative but otherwise "physically challenged" a way to display that creativity.

Using a sample or a beat in a different way to produce a different sound is also a talent IMO. The face of music has changed beyond the realm of traditional instruments.

again, my question is what is "dance" music?

are u telling me you dont sample by the way? the criticism u are levelling at "dance" music is one that is used by people to criticise hip hop as well (i disagree with it btw). i do find the idea that there is no talent involved in ANY production of ANY "dance" music pretty laughable considering some of the talent out there

there certainly are a hell of a lot of hacks though so i do agree with you somewhat

btw epic lulz @ not recycling or remixing, so much of hip hop involves sampling. hell you have sampled stevie wonder a few times yourself so it seems a bit hypocritical

im not criticising the genre by the way, ive got no issue with sampling etc when done well and as you know i am a hip hop fan


There is a big difference better Talent and Musical Talent... What some people can do with the software is amazing... but that shouldnt give them the title of musician...

Also when I sample I create the sample myself (or with the stevie track, have someone play the baseline for me) not just use a sample that comes already installed with any of my equipment. Thats why I like hip hop because they start with a sample and then make it their own.

I define dance as any electronic music that has a tempo over 150bpm and uses that basic drum loop of kick, snare, hi hat... ... Barbra streisand!! haha

Wow Gabe. I thought you were sensible.

To me music is about the end result. Doesn't matter how you get there. Electronic production gives people who are very creative but otherwise "physically challenged" a way to display that creativity.

Using a sample or a beat in a different way to produce a different sound is also a talent IMO. The face of music has changed beyond the realm of traditional instruments.

I will give credit where it is due, but a majority of what I hear Ive heard already on the free sample software downloads... And "artist" like David Guetta dont deserve the acclaim they receive!! Sorry but if that means Im not sensible then I guess I am an idiot ...

There is a big difference better Talent and Musical Talent... What some people can do with the software is amazing... but that shouldnt give them the title of musician...

Also when I sample I create the sample myself (or with the stevie track, have someone play the baseline for me) not just use a sample that comes already installed with any of my equipment. Thats why I like hip hop because they start with a sample and then make it their own.

I define dance as any electronic music that has a tempo over 150bpm and uses that basic drum loop of kick, snare, hi hat... ... Barbra streisand!! haha

LOL, the funny thing is is that most dance music is slower then 150bpm.. especially cheese. From my knowledge the only genres over 150bpm are jungle, drum and bass, gabba, hardcore and hardstyles. Even then, bpm is deceiving and not a good way of comparison, look at basic kick snare dubstep for example, that seems slower then your standard house beat yet its 20 odd bpm faster.

I see what you're trying to get at here gabe, in that "dance" is cheese, but that's way too general because "dance" music is such a broad term. Not only that, but modern rap/cheese has amalgamated into dance music anyway.

A lot of genres that are at a faster tempo then hip hop require a lot of music knowledge in order to produce a good song, theres a lot more fills, effects, synths etc. and because of this mastering is a lot harder then your average hip hop beat (IMO)

Firstly I know NOTHING about music. I can't tell you the difference between a beat and a kick (don't even know what it means really) BUT you gotta hand it to Guetta. Don't know whether he's talented or not but the bastard sure knows how to produce commercial 'music' that makes money. I can't stop listening to some of his stuff. (not that hard as it's almost every other song played on commercial radio)

simon barwood is hard. dance.

i can't stand guetta...

my 0.03 cents...

i don't like it where some people label melodic dance music cheese... i'm a fan of melody and vocals in dance music... but sometimes people lump it all together... i can certainly appreciate some cheese but then after a while it loses appeal and depth... i love big vocals in house with added soul for measure and you think "sang it sista..." makes me wanna drink.

lulz gabs.

if david guetta is representative of all "dance" music, is soulja boy or some other twat like that representative of all hip hop? is goran representative of all homos? u cant pick the lowest common denominator and say it is an indication of everything. i absolutely detest the david guetta, armin etc sounds but that has absolutely nothing to do with some of the other great music that would by a lot of people be considered dance music.

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can u honestly say there is no musical talent attached to the production of this track for example?

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pls humour me and actually listen to the track, the production is fantastic and yes, there are a lot of live instruments used so it would past that test of yours as well. wouldnt u consider it to be a form of dance music?

lulz gabs.

if david guetta is representative of all "dance" music, is soulja boy or some other twat like that representative of all hip hop? is goran representative of all homos? u cant pick the lowest common denominator and say it is an indication of everything. i absolutely detest the david guetta, armin etc sounds but that has absolutely nothing to do with some of the other great music that would by a lot of people be considered dance music.

OMG I HATE HAMBURGERS, I ATE ONE AT MACCAS AND IT WAS SHIT SO THEREFORE THEY ARE ALL SHIT


agree 100% with this..

and lol @ samboy liking Guetta :lol:

OMG I HATE ALL SPANISH PEOPLE, I WENT TO FRANCE ONCE AND THE PEOPLE WERE RUDE


OMG I HATE BREAD, I ATE A DRY CROUTON ONCE

LOL, the funny thing is is that most dance music is slower then 150bpm.. especially cheese. From my knowledge the only genres over 150bpm are jungle, drum and bass, gabba, hardcore and hardstyles. Even then, bpm is deceiving and not a good way of comparison, look at basic kick snare dubstep for example, that seems slower then your standard house beat yet its 20 odd bpm faster.

I see what you're trying to get at here gabe, in that "dance" is cheese, but that's way too general because "dance" music is such a broad term. Not only that, but modern rap/cheese has amalgamated into dance music anyway.

A lot of genres that are at a faster tempo then hip hop require a lot of music knowledge in order to produce a good song, theres a lot more fills, effects, synths etc. and because of this mastering is a lot harder then your average hip hop beat (IMO)


DnB is in fact around the 200 bpm, "dance" is around 150bpm, hop hop 90bpm. well according to my Korg EM1 and Akai MPC2000, dub step is prob the slowest of the lot, with most of the drum loops generally being slowed down DnB loops.

and lol @ samboy liking Guetta :lol:

I've moved up (or down?) from Miley Cyrus.

Have KOL's new album in my grubby little hands.

The very first song I listen to is pure ♥ this is the KOL I know and love.

All faith is restored ;)

can you homosexuals stop arguing over music... it's like religion to me... my god has a fatter-wan than your god...

LOL 200 BPM HAHAHAHA

sorry mate but you are so wrong it's not funny. Dnb is max about 175 and generally ranges from 165-175 but can go about as low as 155 for jungle, dubstep generally 135-140, uk garage sits at 130, house and what not sits around 120-130 i think from memory (maybe sanj would know?). Breaks is around 140bmp, same with techno i think, not sure bout trance etc. Also dubstep beats aren't slowed down dnb, they are a different drum pattern and it's originally derived from uk garage as well as reggae influences

the only thing you got right was hip hop.
What do you consider dance?

BPMs are for homos. if it sounds good it sounds good although the old maan in me does struggle with anytning too fast and ive always preferred more mellow sounds

perfy - i find the idea of a "dance" music genre laughable because how the hell can it be defined? arent dnb, trance, breaks, house, electro, nujazz etc ALL dance music?

btw crave is right, we're being a bit homo atm

lulz gabs.

if david guetta is representative of all "dance" music, is soulja boy or some other twat like that representative of all hip hop? is goran representative of all homos? u cant pick the lowest commondenominator and say it is an indication of everything. i absolutely detest the david guetta, armin etc sounds but that has absolutely nothing to do with some of the other great music that would by a lot of people be considered dance music.

OMG I HATE HAMBURGERS, I ATE ONE AT MACCAS AND IT WAS SHIT SO THEREFORE THEY ARE ALL SHIT


can u honestly say there is no musical talent attached to the production of this track for example?

WWKTYJh2cGQ

pls humour me and actually listen to the track, the production is fantastic and yes, there are a lot of live instruments used so it would past that test of yours as well. wouldnt u consider it to be a form of dance music?

OMG I HATE ALL SPANISH PEOPLE, I WENT TO FRANCE ONCE AND THE PEOPLE WERE RUDE


OMG I HATE BREAD, I ATE A DRY CROUTON ONCE

I cant watch youtube vidz at work so you ill have to wait...

so you call a headline act the lowest common denominator? I use him as an example because it is exactly what I referring to, that you dont need have any musical talent and just use the samples provided.

I have in every post said I am begin general in my description... but you must have "literally" too much time on your hands... pun intended!! :)

BPMs are for homos. if it sounds good it sounds good although the old maan in me does struggle with anytning too fast and ive always preferred more mellow sounds

perfy - i find the idea of a "dance" music genre laughable because how the hell can it be defined? arent dnb, trance, breaks, house, electro, nujazz etc ALL dance music?

btw crave is right, we're being a bit homo atm

bpm's aren't for homo's, they are important for comparing genres..

there is no dance music genre, it's just anything you can dance to, which is basically most genres (i suppose you "bounce" to hip hop and "rock out" to rock music.. lol)

Also Gabe, i think you missed Sanj's point in regards to headline acts.. the same can be applied to Hip hop, the way you're generalising "dance" music, is the same way people generalise "hip hop" and i'm sure you'd get pissed off at the amount of phoneys that are headline acts (flo rida, 50 cent etc.) that completely mis-represent the genre.

I don't normally come here due to my lack of knowledge in this area but it's a slow day and I'm bored so the only thing I would say is Enjoy whatever you enjoy listening to because you like hearing what you're hearing and not because of some 'technicality' (which is VERY subjective anyway) or some inherent urge to be different.

I don't normally come here due to my lack of knowledge in this area but it's a slow day and I'm bored so the only thing I would say is Enjoy whatever you enjoy listening to because you like hearing what you're hearing and not because of some 'technicality' (which is VERY subjective anyway) or some inherent urge to be different.


Yep. I have a very eclectic tast in music and there isn't much I really don't like. Hoever I do have some friends who are very blinkered as to their tastes and pigeonhole themselves to one type of music - one will ONLY listen to Rock music, and another (whi is a DJ) will only really listen to progressive house / breaks etc. It is laughable as the artist they like will have been influenced by artists from a whole heap of other genres.

Dub step?? haha What I don't get is why you young'ns don't invent something new, like we did, like every generation before us did?

There hasn't been a revolutionary new form of music since the 70's/ early 80's.

Gen Y is yet to come up with anything original music wise. Anything at all.

THE DJ'S HAVE NO TALENT THESE DAYS.

GEN Y - STOP LISTENING TO MY OLD MAN MUSIC, AND WEARING MY OLD MAN SNEAKERS. INVENT SOMTHING NEW YOU GOOD FOR NOTHING LAYABOUTS.

Anyway, I was clubbing to techno over twenty years ago. Hip Hop, same...back then... you didn't go out to a gig to listen to twenty/twenty five year old music. ...and if you did, you didn't change the tempo, add a sample, and cream yourself over the new genre you had invented/discovered..

I don't get the youth of today, they are so unimaginative.

bpm's aren't for homo's, they are important for comparing genres..


Hip Hop would span a range of 100bpms.

BPM cannot be used to define Hip Hop.

You need to expand your musical tastes if you're using BPM to define/compare genres.

PS - EUGENIUS makes a very valid point.

Nobody these days listens to fuck all outside of the genre they are supposed to like. So wack.

Samboy is on point as well.

Dub step?? haha What I don't get is why you young'ns don't invent something new, like we did, like every generation before us did?

There hasn't been a revolutionary new form of music since the 70's/ early 80's.

Gen Y is yet to come up with anything original music wise. Anything at all.

THE DJ'S HAVE NO TALENT THESE DAYS.

GEN Y - STOP LISTENING TO MY OLD MAN MUSIC, AND WEARING MY OLD MAN SNEAKERS. INVENT SOMTHING NEW YOU GOOD FOR NOTHING LAYABOUTS.

Anyway, I was clubbing to techno over twenty years ago. Hip Hop, same...back then... you didn't go out to a gig to listen to twenty/twenty five year old music. ...and if you did, you didn't change the tempo, add a sample, and cream yourself over the new genre you had invented/discovered..

I don't get the youth of today, they are so unimaginative.

sorry but i think 90% of this is a load of shit and more general then gabes comments, and your just doing the typical generation vs generation thing and you know better because you're older. No one in this thread is claiming to invent genres and cream themselves and theres plenty of new and original music out there, surprised you of all people being the arty type would say such things.

i do agree with you on one thing, DJ's are shit and i put this simply down to the different forms of media now. Cdj's with bpm readers, loop buttons incase you miss cued by 8 or 16 odd bars, effects, all sorts of jazz. Even worse is people who use midi controllers and dj on ableton, no beat matching skills needed, just press "sync" they can do some really experimental things, but theres less skill involved IMO.

Me personally i've been mixing probably for only about a year. I buy all my wax and in that i have to actually think what tunes i'm going to buy, where they would fit in in a set etc. I know a dude who mixes prog trance, disco, commercial house, all that sort of jazz. He had only had his own set of decks for a month or two and he was getting gigs playing out, because he whored himself and supported the scene by going to every event, getting in with all the djs etc. His facebook photos are him doing the ol' chicken wing cringing face as he's twisting the knobs on the mixer, 3/4 of his t-shirts have records, dj's or something along those lines on them, you get the deal. I probably wouldn't want to even try to get a set out for another 6 months, because even though i've got it down pat and can hold a decent 30 minute to 1 hour mix, i'm still learning heeps and want to try and perfect it first. Same goes for production.

Hip Hop would span a range of 100bpms.

BPM cannot be used to define Hip Hop.

You need to expand your musical tastes if you're using BPM to define/compare genres.

I was talking about as a point of comparison for genres in the context of this argument and what gabe was calling "dance music", i don't define genres by bpm but it's an important part of music. You couldn't have hip hop at 170bpm so bpm does define hip hop in that sense.

I am talking about new and original genres. Perhaps naming a new and original genre, would be helpful in schooling me, as I have missed it.

Repsect to you using Vinyl, Hip Hop on vinyl will be practically dead soon, mark my words. So, interesting to hear that other genres are still cranking out the wax.

I DJ'd over 200 gigs on wax, and had been mixing since the 80's. I got my first set of 1200's 14 years ago (still going).

Also, I'm not making it a generation thing, but, well, it kind of is.

I respect the older generations for being inventive, the younger generation just seems to be co-opting existing music, and changing it ever so slightly, rather than really putting a stamp of new or genuinely different. I could write an essay on this topic, and why it is the case.

But, it IS the case.

LOL 200 BPM HAHAHAHA

sorry mate but you are so wrong it's not funny. Dnb is max about 175 and generally ranges from 165-175 but can go about as low as 155 for jungle, dubstep generally 135-140, uk garage sits at 130, house and what not sits around 120-130 i think from memory (maybe sanj would know?). Breaks is around 140bmp, same with techno i think, not sure bout trance etc. Also dubstep beats aren't slowed down dnb, they are a different drum pattern and it's originally derived from uk garage as well as reggae influences

the only thing you got right was hip hop.
What do you consider dance?


I am telling you what the bpm are for the preloaded loops on the 2 most commonly used pieces of equipment by producers of all genres... So youre just arguing for arguments sake...


Dance = anything that you would hear from MOS (-chillout sessions) :lol:

SANJ - I love good music, but I dislike music that is so simple and minimal effort (OMG - Usher) and it makes a millions of dollars!! And you know I am being general right, cos that what most music is these days!!


NATE +1

You couldn't have hip hop at 170bpm so bpm does define hip hop in that sense.

Of course you could.

If you had classic Ice Cube rhyming at 85bpm, over a 170bpm beat, it would still be hip hop.

My point on the generation thing was that basically every generation does it to the generation below.. ie. people who listened to music in the 50's criticising something in the 70's and 80's for guitar being too heavy, drums too noisy, music too loud. Then people from 60's 70's the same with music in the 80's and 90's because it was electronic and not a real instrument and so on and so forth.

My example of a new genre would be dubstep. And although while everyone hates it and yes it did stem from another genre it is still original and new in todays context. It's a mere 10 odd years old and is much more diverse then anyone thinks as i've stated numerous times recently , for example..

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Of course you could.

If you had classic Ice Cube rhyming at 85bpm, over a 170bpm beat, it would still be hip hop.

i was talking about a hip hop beat, so that doesn't reply apply

I do believe the process of rhyming is called "rapping" and not "hip hopping", so an ice cube vocal over a beat at 170 bpm (lets say dnb for example) wouldn't be hip hop, IMO hip hop is the combination of beats and rhyme or just beats, not rhyming alone.. that would be rapping or rhyming, would you call someone rhyming over a dubstep beat persay hip hop? don't see how you can disagree with this?

also Gabe, i get it you use good equipment that is reliable and so on but that doesn't mean that it's right because it's not genre specific.. i can tell you for a fact that most dnb these days is around 175bpm because a) it's common knowledge and doing a simple google search will re-iterate this and b) because the producers produce it at that speed so it'll mix easily with other tunes at a similar speed most of the time, 175 is fast enough, 200bpm is ridiculous.

Nobody these days listens to fuck all outside of the genre they are supposed to like. So wack.


why is it wack?

some music genre's is unpleasant noise to tha ears...

Its electronic sample/synth based music, with a slightly rearranged beat pattern to every other electronic sample/synth based music.

If I take that track, remove every third kick, add a few more snares, reverse the piano sample, I haven't invented a new genre, or have I....

I'm not saying I either like/hate it, but my point is, whilst it may be slightly original, its hardly a new genre. You may be missing my point entirely, I'm not criticising the music of this generation.

I'm just wondering why you guys listen to slight variations on the music that your parents listened to.

When I was your age, we listened to our parents music mostly for a laugh. The records that were good, we sampled, scratched, and turned it into Hip Hop. Yes, we co-opted the music from the generation above us, but really, put a bit more thought into it than just changing a beat structure.

why is it wack?

some music genre's is unpleasant noise to tha ears...

Because the music of the genre you are listening to has only been made possible due to the influences of other genres.

Its funny, if you talk to the DJ's/Producers/Artists from any given genre, they almost without exception have broad music tastes.

The fans, on the other hand, think that if they listen to other types of music, they won't be part of the dub step* club.

WACK

*insert any other genre here

would you call someone rhyming over a dubstep beat persay hip hop

Quite possibly! It would depend.

There are many examples of Hip Hop tracks where the entire track is an unaltered sample of another song. Normally, jazz/funk/soul.

So, Ghostface plays an entire soul track, rhymes over it, puts it on his record. Or, the Beastie Boys sample an entire funk track, rhyme over it, put it on their record.

Is it soul?

Is it funk?

No, its Hip Hop.

Ice Cube samples dubstep, and rhymes over it.

Is it Dubstep?

I think the answer is clear.

BPM/source genre - has ZERO relevance.

Its electronic sample/synth based music, with a slightly rearranged beat pattern to every other electronic sample/synth based music.

If I take that track, remove every third kick, add a few more snares, reverse the piano sample, I haven't invented a new genre, or have I....

I'm not saying I either like/hate it, but my point is, whilst it may be slightly original, its hardly a new genre. You may be missing my point entirely, I'm not criticising the music of this generation.

I'm just wondering why you guys listen to slight variations on the music that your parents listened to.

When I was your age, we listened to our parents music mostly for a laugh. The records that were good, we sampled, scratched, and turned it into Hip Hop. Yes, we co-opted the music from the generation above us, but really, put a bit more thought into it than just changing a beat structure.

I don't know how old you think my parents are, but the music i listen to is very different that of my folks, theyre approaching their 50's.

I get what you are saying about beat structure and so on, but essentially you are calling all dance music and even hip hop in that sense unoriginal simply because it has drum hits or snares that are the same in numerous other genres.. So what to be original you have to use toms instead of kicks, kicks instead of snares.. maybe some triangle in there?

You are also saying a lot of this stuff in hindsight as though you are my parents odd age.. i havn't a clue how old you are but i assume from what i've read you're at most in your late 30's but i presume early 30's.

Because the music of the genre you are listening to has only been made possible due to the influences of other genres.

Its funny, if you talk to the DJ's/Producers/Artists from any given genre, they almost without exception have broad music tastes.

The fans, on the other hand, think that if they listen to other types of music, they won't be part of the dub step* club.

WACK

*insert any other genre here

I think its the exact opposite to be honest, plenty of genres go together, but most "fans" i know have a broad taste in music, but like to focus on particular genres more then others..


Your being so so general nate that i feel a lot of your points are losing validity because of it.

Quite possibly! It would depend.

There are many examples of Hip Hop tracks where the entire track is an unaltered sample of another song. Normally, jazz/funk/soul.

So, Ghostface plays an entire soul track, rhymes over it, puts it on his record. Or, the Beastie Boys sample an entire funk track, rhyme over it, put it on their record.

Is it soul?

Is it funk?

No, its Hip Hop.

Ice Cube samples dubstep, and rhymes over it.

Is it Dubstep?

I think the answer is clear.

BPM/source genre - has ZERO relevance.

i think you've missed my point..

rhyming is rhyming, rhyming is NOT hip hop. Hip hop is defined by it's general speed (you can not deny this). I know everything is open to interpretation and there's no definitive wrong or right, but the speed and structure is a very important part of defining a genre.

this argument seems pointless none the less, i've got assignments to do

This is pointless, what point are you trying to prove, that you like to argue for the sake of arguing?

rhyming is rhyming, rhyming is NOT hip hop. Hip hop is defined by it's general speed (you can not deny this)

You simply don't get it.

Hip Hop, as a musical genre, is NOT defined by speed.

I can tell you which track, of which artist, was the first track to ever be looped by a DJ, spawning modern music as we know it. I can tell you this, because I asked the DJ who first did it, Kool Herc. He invented break beat, over 35 years ago. Your parents could have been listening to it. I have attended birthday party's, in New York, with some of the founders of Hip Hop. I have been listening to, and partaking in the Hip Hop sub culture for more than 25 years. I have been to gigs in more than ten countries, over several decades. I ALWAYS talk to the DJ's/MC's. This is just the very tip of the iceberg of my knowledge of Hip Hop.

Whats the point of all this?

YOU, don't tell ME what is and what isn't Hip Hop. I TELL YOU.

WHY?

Because, unlike you, I ask questions, and respect opinions. I don't assume that I know everything. It takes time. It cannot be googled or wikipedia'd. You need to talk to people in real life, from all walks of life.

BTW :

Your folks, in their 50's, would have had their 20's in the 1970's.

In the 70's, dub was already alive and kicking. Electronic acts like Kraftwerk were alive and kicking. Your music, now, is just a re-arrangment of what they *could* have been listening to in the 70's.

PS, I will never bother discussing anything with you again.

Stick to google to build your knowledge of life, and be like every other sheep.

Nate FTW!


p.s do you realised you just gave away your real age??

"I have been to gigs in more than ten countries, over several decades"

...my age is no secret - I'm 39.

Too old for this shit! haha

Age is meaningless to me. I have people I call friends from age 4 through to 50. I learn as much from the 4 year old as I do the 50 year old...

Most old school hip hop heads would be in there 40's now. Its why we get so incredulous at the youth thinking they are doing something new. For us, its decades old.

Street art / music / fashion - it hasn't moved on for a long, long, time.

Its really frustrating! Growing up in a world where everything was TRULY new, and now, has stagnated.

When I was born - aerosol art didn't exist. Tagging didn't exist (I am actually a big fan of tagging, for reasons too complex/boring to go into here.

When I was born, Hip Hop/rap didn't exist.

When I was born, electronic music didn't exist.

When I was a teenager, the internet browser didn't exist.

When I was at high school, ONE person had a mobile phone (his parents were worth tens of millions of dollars).

People wonder why Gen-X is so non-plussed/bitter.

We were the last thinking generation.

Yes, there are exceptions, this is not a personal attack on any younger people, as I stated, I have friends of all ages, and there is intelligence and original thinking to be found at all ages.

GABE +1

Man your missing my point for fuck sake, or maybe i'm just not conveying it well enough. I didn't say that hip hop was define by speed, i said general speed, in that the placing of the drums, the tempo in which it is at and so on, just like every other genre. If you put a hip hop at 95 beat at 150bpm for example it wouldn't sound right, this is the point i am trying to illustrate, is that you CAN NOT dismiss tempo.

It comes across that you seem to think i'm trying to prove i know more about hip hop then you, which i never claimed nor would want to, why the need to show me how much of an OG you are in the hip hop scene? this isn't a competition, i get it you have knowledge, but dismissing tempo is ludicrous.

I said my folks are approaching their 50's not in their 50's which means they had their 20's in the 80's... As for Dub, it is a completely different genre to dubstep and while it has been an influence just as reggae was, as a i said earlier dubstep stemmed from uk garage. As for kraftwerk, funnily enough i was listening to a kraftwerk vinyl on saturday afternoon at a friends who's into that kind of older stuff, it was definately unique and ahead of it's time, but didn't tickle my pickle.

You also took my google statement completely out of context, i think in the case of the bpm argument that Gabe is the one assuming because what his MPC said is true, that it is true, hence why i said to google it. Not only that but go onto chemical records, look under new releases drum and bass and check out the bpm listed for yourself if you don't believe me, i don't need to go ask a dj what the typical bpm for a genre is (although that's how i first found out, mates brother) because i can look it up on the internet.

Not only that but google is a very useful tool, and you can't deny that. You can learn how to do almost anything that doesn't require excessive training/a degree and so on from the internet.

Your being such an arrogant elitist in your arguments in completely disassociating any modern music with yourself, with "you're" this and "you're" that.

Lastly you're simply classing me as one of "them", as though i am part of mainstream generation Y culture, which i'm not - infact i detest a lot of it, the mass consumption, the dumbed downess of everything, lack of originality and so on and so forth. I think i've clearly demonstrated in my constant arguments over politics, ideology etc. that i am a "thinker" albeit whether or not you agree with my opinions. Every generation hates on the next because it's different to how it was when they were young, or when they grew up etc. being patronising and bitter doesn't achieve anything accept for the individual..

^^ but why argue the point about BPM that you just end up looking like a douche?

Sanj simply asked how I define dance music, I gave my answer and we moved on... where you keep trying to prove a point that no one knows what point you are trying to make...

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PERFY : Hip hop is defined by it's general speed (you can not deny this)

...and then...

PERFY : I didn't say that hip hop was define by speed

If your parents had their 20's in the 80's, then you ARE listening to slight variations on what they were listening to.

Don't see this as a battle - I KNOW that I know more about Hip Hop than you. I expressed my OG "credentials" not to prove this to an anonymous internet person, but to try and help you understand that I KNOW a LOT about Hip Hop, and perhaps you could try to learn something. See it as an opportunity to learn.

Learning seems to be something that you clearly don't want to do.

You know what you can't learn from google?

How to interact with people.

You can't download talent.

You can't google originality.

You can't lookup how to rock a crowd.


You can't search for a LOT of music/artists/facts about musical genre's on google. You're limiting yourself. A LOT of music that existed pre-internet, that is still relevant today, never has been placed on the internet in any form.

My blog, about one of Perth's best architects? Fuck all information ever existed about him on the Internet. There is a LOT if information about the world NOT on the internet. I know - crazy, but true.


You can call me elitist (I'm not), but the fact is, you're a chump. Thats the difference - I KNOW I don't KNOW a lot about Dubstep, and I take this as opportunity to learn, not as one to prove that I'm right.

You're a chump.

PS, I will never bother discussing anything with you again.

Stick to google to build your knowledge of life, and be like every other sheep.

:lol: oh no you di'int

...my age is no secret - I'm 39.

Too old for this shit! haha

Age is meaningless to me. I have people I call friends from age 4 through to 50. I learn as much from the 4 year old as I do the 50 year old...

Most old school hip hop heads would be in there 40's now. Its why we get so incredulous at the youth thinking they are doing something new. For us, its decades old.

Street art / music / fashion - it hasn't moved on for a long, long, time.

Its really frustrating! Growing up in a world where everything was TRULY new, and now, has stagnated.

When I was born - aerosol art didn't exist. Tagging didn't exist (I am actually a big fan of tagging, for reasons too complex/boring to go into here.

When I was born, Hip Hop/rap didn't exist.

When I was born, electronic music didn't exist.

When I was a teenager, the internet browser didn't exist.

When I was at high school, ONE person had a mobile phone (his parents were worth tens of millions of dollars).

People wonder why Gen-X is so non-plussed/bitter.

We were the last thinking generation.

Yes, there are exceptions, this is not a personal attack on any younger people, as I stated, I have friends of all ages, and there is intelligence and original thinking to be found at all ages.

GABE +1

^^ but why argue the point about BPM that you just end up looking like a douche?

Sanj simply asked how I define dance music, I gave my answer and we moved on... where you keep trying to prove a point that no one knows what point you are trying to make...

yeah move on perfy. i disagreed with gabe (although deep down i suspect we have similar sensibilities and arent necessarily arguing about the same thing) but we moved on. it really isnt a big deal


btw i hardly think nate was big-upping (yes that is now a word) himself, more a case of qualifying his statement. i too have interactedf with a shitload of music professionals and i really dont remember a single one of them being transfixed by BPMs


nate also brings up a good point, u need to be more open to the idea that sometimes someone might know more about a topic than you. i spent friday with someone whose achievements i hope to one day emulate and all i did was ask question after question and pick his brain. we didnt agree on everything but i knew there was a hell of a lot i could learn from listening. might be a good thing to try sometime

Lastly you're simply classing me as one of "them", as though i am part of mainstream generation Y culture, which i'm not - infact i detest a lot of it, the mass consumption, the dumbed downess of everything, lack of originality and so on and so forth. I think i've clearly demonstrated in my constant arguments over politics, ideology etc. that i am a "thinker" albeit whether or not you agree with my opinions. Every generation hates on the next because it's different to how it was when they were young, or when they grew up etc. being patronising and bitter doesn't achieve anything accept for the individual..

nate is indeed a c**t but he is far from bitter.

Did you just call Nate a c**t

..haha - yes, anyone who has met me would know I'm about as far from "bitter" as possible...

Perfy, didn't mean to personally insult you, but really, the most important thing, if you're looking to expand your knowledge, is to listen to people who may have more experience than you in a given field.

I for one believe that EVERYONE has something to teach me. Yes, even you perfy.

Sanj, you are one smart cookie.

PERFY : Hip hop is defined by it's general speed (you can not deny this)

...and then...

PERFY : I didn't say that hip hop was define by speed

If your parents had their 20's in the 80's, then you ARE listening to slight variations on what they were listening to.

Don't see this as a battle - I KNOW that I know more about Hip Hop than you. I expressed my OG "credentials" not to prove this to an anonymous internet person, but to try and help you understand that I KNOW a LOT about Hip Hop, and perhaps you could try to learn something. See it as an opportunity to learn.

Learning seems to be something that you clearly don't want to do.

You know what you can't learn from google?

How to interact with people.

You can't download talent.

You can't google originality.

You can't lookup how to rock a crowd.


You can't search for a LOT of music/artists/facts about musical genre's on google. You're limiting yourself. A LOT of music that existed pre-internet, that is still relevant today, never has been placed on the internet in any form.

My blog, about one of Perth's best architects? Fuck all information ever existed about him on the Internet. There is a LOT if information about the world NOT on the internet. I know - crazy, but true.


You can call me elitist (I'm not), but the fact is, you're a chump. Thats the difference - I KNOW I don't KNOW a lot about Dubstep, and I take this as opportunity to learn, not as one to prove that I'm right.

You're a chump.

and shortly after that i said "i said general speed", but that doesn't really it explain so i didn't word it correctly..

Basically the whole point i was trying to illustrate is that tempo is important in defining genres, and you can not dispute that, i never said it is the most important thing, but it is important, i'm not caught up on bpms i was just trying to argue it's relevance.

I don't learn well when someone is being patronising, and that's exactly what you were doing, instead i turn a blind eye. As i said in my last posts, being patronising doesn't achieve anything accept a boost to ones ego.

I well and truly understand the relevance of printed texts, i get stacks of books out for assignments all the time, books are useful things. I think you've seen me praising google as me thinking the internet is the basis of all knowledge and the best.. i don't, but as i also said in my last post, it is a very, very useful tool. Just on that topic, i wrote a critical review last year on an article titled "google is making us stupid". This article was basically ripping google to shreds, i argued against the author and got a Distinction + and from memory was 1% away from a High Distinction. What does this mean? This isn't me saying i wrote a good essay, this is me saying i know how google works and how it doesn't work..

I'm not a "chump", i had to look up what it meant (yes on google) because i've never been called it, or taken the term seriously. I don't think i know it all either, never claimed to have, not once have i ever said "i'm right and that's that because i said so".

I for one believe that EVERYONE has something to teach me.


the wisest man ive ever known (my late grandfather) taught me that when i was pretty young and ive always remembered that

Affectionate term for a cross between an idiot and a fool

I for one believe that EVERYONE has something to teach me. Yes, even you perfy.



I have LEARNED that some people aren't worth arguing with (or educating).

Samboy : correct. I tend to forget this from time-to-time.

Sanj : your granfather was a wise man

Perfy : yes, "tempo is important in defining genres" 100% agree.

Gabe : wassup


I think we're all friends, now, I gotta get some work done (on my day off).

I have LEARNED that some people aren't worth arguing with (or educating).

:lol::lol::lol:

irony much?

Wow, that was intense. Can't believe I read it, well most of it.

What I got from all of that = you're all c**ts.

What I got from all of that = you're all c**ts.
Pot. Kettle. Black.

Wow, that was intense. Can't believe I read it, well most of it.

Could you feel your intelligence being sucked out of your brain?!! :lol:

Could you feel your intelligence being sucked out of your brain?!! :lol:

Actually, it was quite interesting. I see music as something very personal, which is why people get so fired up about it, but its interesting to hear different peoples opinion.

Music is in the ear of the beholder, very subjective topic. Theres facts and then theres "facts"

Just come back to the office from JB, purchased the New Mark Ronson album.. So far so good (except the bicycle song)

A tribe called Quest minus QTip live at the bakery.

http://www.nowbaking.com.au/ticketing/SessionCapture.aspx?SessionGuid=5454f539-fc31-4235-8e6e-33aa31594064

heard about that a little while ago, can't wait - shame bout no q though. Heading to the bakery in a couple of weeks for a future garage gig, haven't been there yet so looking forward to checking it out

heaps of good gigs coming up, mulatu, femi kuti, sharon jones

going to all the above and ice cube as well so that might be it for me until good vibes

oh yeah stacey pullen too,

heaps of good gigs coming up, mulatu, femi kuti, sharon jones

going to all the above and ice cube as well so that might be it for me until good vibes

oh yeah stacey pullen too,

cool, when n wear is that one?

tomorrow night, bakery. if it hasnt sold out already it is pretty damn close to and support looks great as well. i highly recommend going, mulatu is going to be amazing live

As much as I historically like ATCQ, Q-Tip fell the fuck off more than a decade ago.

fact.

hmmm gaslamp killer, hudson mohawke and flying lotus for NYE @ bakery

im getting a bit old for so many damn events

nate - ice cube is on

As much as I historically like ATCQ, Q-Tip fell the fuck off more than a decade ago.

fact.

I rated the Renaissance.

hmmm gaslamp killer, hudson mohawke and flying lotus for NYE @ bakery

im getting a bit old for so many damn events

nate - ice cube is on


ooh fuck yeah - thanks sanj - count me in - actually, gunna call you about this...may have a largish posse coming along!

...huge cube fan here, even his latter day cheesy shit sounds rugged and raw live!

I got you on Pharoahe Monch/Jean Grae in return..

I rated the Renaissance.


..you're right acc... I knew there was something I was forgetting when I made that statement.

But, in general, my statement stands. Q-tip fell the fuck off a long time ago.

..you're right acc... I knew there was something I was forgetting when I made that statement.

But, in general, my statement stands. Q-tip fell the fuck off a long time ago.

Agreed. Everything between ATCQ and The Renaissance was meh.

ooh fuck yeah - thanks sanj - count me in - actually, gunna call you about this...may have a largish posse coming along!

...huge cube fan here, even his latter day cheesy shit sounds rugged and raw live!

I got you on Pharoahe Monch/Jean Grae in return..

cool. obviously i cant sort out their tickets too but there should be industries floating around for $65, let me know if you need me to organise them

Hmmm Ice Cube, responsible for such classics as Bop Gun, Today was a good day and are we there yet?!

I can remember if my fave album is Amerkaz most wanted, Lethal Injection or Predator.. the rest are meh!

Hmmm Ice Cube, responsible for such classics as Bop Gun, Today was a good day and are we there yet?!

I can remember if my fave album is Amerkaz most wanted, Lethal Injection or Predator.. the rest are meh!

YESSS Predator and Lethal Injection are the best albums :) i also like some songs off the War & Peace albums :)

Hmmm Ice Cube, responsible for such classics as Bop Gun, Today was a good day and are we there yet?!

I can remember if my fave album is Amerkaz most wanted, Lethal Injection or Predator.. the rest are meh!


Don't forget the NWA era...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QcIytB0yKD0/TK6EpCb_xyI/AAAAAAAAAOQ/phQ9_J1VKiU/s1600/PRINT+NATION+poster+copy.jpg

Here's a preview :D

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p262/desperaterobots/15d548dd.png

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p262/desperaterobots/f704a31b.png

Really nice work Martin - I heard about this exhibition a little while back, great idea, looking forward to it...!

Thanks dude! I don't really know how to mount my work... Slightly worried about it :P

Mount. Tehehe.

DR that is excellent. I love it!

I take it the second one is just a zoomed in version for the purpose of posting on this forum?

Yep!

Just out of interest DR... what is the sliced theme that runs through a lot of your stuff represent?

What do you think it represents?

edit: sorry, on re-reading this sounds more smart-aleccy than intended :P I'm just really interested in what people get out of it.

The answer to the question is probably pretty boring. It's mostly a sort of aesthetic hook that lets me do interesting things with the figures I'm working with, but I'm trying to capture a sort of... reluctant solitude with some of my recent work, so the slices are meant to allude to emotions of separation, distance, disengagement and also reference phrases like "falling to pieces" and being "cut up". I also really dig ultra-simplified anatomy and things like circuit diagrams. Some of my older work features that kind of stuff, and I guess this is a refinement of/different take on that idea.

Um. Is that wanky enough? ;)

Thanks dude! I don't really know how to mount my work... Slightly worried about it :P

Frame it - come take a look at the way we frame - we have a few different techniques...I can help with suggestions... good framing really helps, for sales as well as aesthetics.

We get all our framing done in Melb, apparently framing can be quite expensive in Perth, so talk to some other local artists you know, there must be the bargain framing place out there somewhere!

there must be the bargain framing place out there somewhere!

There used to be at the old subi markets (pavillion markets?) before it closed down to make way for.... you guessed it...nothing!

Interview with Stefano Carboni, director of the Art Gallery about the Guggenheim exhibition.

http://www.wangle.com.au/people/stefano-carboni

Has anyone been yet?

-3hyrkzFRss

not a killers fan but i seem to enjoy this video.

Interview with Stefano Carboni, director of the Art Gallery about the Guggenheim exhibition.

http://www.wangle.com.au/people/stefano-carboni

Has anyone been yet?

I've been to the original in Venice many times, so prob won't fork out to see a few of them in Perth.

fwiw Nate - those print titles that I pointed out (eg Sigur Ros) were named after the reason why they were drawn originally. Some were drawings to accompany print articles like in Rolling Stone Magazine.

Here's another print Ill have for sake tomorrow night at Print Nation.

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p262/desperaterobots/e8362419.png

Are you selling them mounted DR? or framed?

Unframed (although they may have been framed by the gallery before the show for the opening, I'm not exactly sure. I know it was being done for some of the artists.)

I'm in two minds about framing work. On one hand a good frame can really make work pop, but if the frame isn't right it can really detract from or compete with the work. Unfortunately the lead time on this show was short enough that I couldn't really spend the time finding the right frames or finding a framer who could work to my (extremely limited) budget. The upswing of that is the work is more affordable, and generally the crowd attracted by these shows aren't particularly "well-heeled" so a lower price is often a good thing. And not everyone would have decor that would match the frame I might have chosen...

This is definitely a learning experience for me, I've never done prints before. :P

Interesting. It's not too hard for people to get them mounted or framed anyway. That way they can get the style they want.


On another note, has anyone spent time upstairs at The Ellington? I want to go to a sold out show and i'm wondering if it would be worth it.

What are the details of this exhibition? Keen to check it out

^^

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=139763582736411

Hey DR - can't make it tonight, but will check it out ASAP... good luck with it all..

..you're right about framing making/breaking... and the other points you made, totally agree.

Though, one thing I have discovered, Perth people get absolutely reamed on framing prices!

Do you know if any of the artists are doing any silkscreens?

Also, do you know the typical price range for the prints on sale?

I was told $200 is the average price, as low as $80 for some. Mine are around the $100 mark. Pretty sure there are going to be silkscreen prints in there.

went to the bakery last night to see Deadboy, such a good venue, reasonable drink prices and good specials

Tame Impala @ the Astor tonight!! :)

Attention all young gays, good news!

'Wicked" is coming to Perth in July, which sucks for me since I won't be here. Might go see it in Adelaide though.

Oh and it's being shown at Burswood and not Heath Ledger. Boo!

^^I saw it a couple of months back. Very good and highly recommended.

Heath Ledger would not be big enough for this type of stage show I imagine. In terms of Audience members I mean, not stage size.

It's not real theatre anyway.

Source (http://www.perthnow.com.au/business/news/wa-arts-chamber-an-aussie-first/story-e6frg2qu-1225943842843)


WA Arts Chamber an Aussie first
From: PerthNow October 26, 2010 2:16PM

Rio Tinto's Sam Walsh says values and work should be inextricable. Picture: Colin Murty Source: The Australian
WESTERN Australia is leading the charge, and this time it's not in the booming mining and resources sector.

Instead WA is setting the pace for the rest of the country regarding representation and promotion of culture and the arts which many business and cultural leaders in Perth have been calling for for some time.

The Chamber of Arts and Culture WA, the first Chamber of its kind in Australia, was launched today at His Majesty’s Theatre in Perth by its chairman elect and Rio Tinto Iron Ore CEO, Sam Walsh AO.

The Chamber was formed to provide a united voice to promote, advocate and represent the value of a vibrant and sustainable arts and cultural sector in WA at a time when the State is emerging as a key centre of economic growth off the back of its rapidly expanding resources sector.

Mr Walsh said the Chamber will be the State's representative arts body, providing an independent, cohesive voice for the sector in WA.

"This is a perfect time to celebrate our achievements, address our challenges and develop a world class arts and culture hub in WA to match our growing reputation as an economic powerhouse in the region," Mr Walsh said.

"Arts and culture plays an integral role in the lives of Western Australians, a role that is at times unsung and unrecognised in both its contribution and its benefits.

"The Chamber aims to highlight our achievements and advocate for action as a broad collective on the major issues that impact the sector. WA has the capacity to further shine in culture and the arts.

"We will also provide advice to Local, State and Federal Governments and other stakeholders to facilitate long term planning and resourcing of culture and the arts in Western Australia."

Culture and the Arts Minister John Day was present at today's launch along with more than 100 key arts and culture participants and leaders.

Membership of the Chamber is open to arts organisations, individual artists and individuals and organisations that support the importance of arts and culture in our lives.

Mr Walsh has been an active contributor to arts and culture in WA for many years through his role as Chairman of the Australian Arts and Business Foundation WA Chapter and the Black Swan Theatre Company.

Other selected board members include key arts and culture luminaries in Perth such as celebrated arts advocate Janet Holmes a Court AC, WA Ballet Board member and businessman, John Langoulant AO, former WA Art Gallery Chair, Helen Cook and respected arts expert Margaret Sears AO.

The five selected members will be joined by seven key arts contributors nominated from the membership of the former WA Arts Federation and new members of the Chamber: the former Chair of the WA Arts Federation and Artsource Executive Director, Jude van der Mere, Jane King (Museums Australia), well known arts personality and indigenous culture and arts advocate, Mark Bin Bakar, Cathcart Weatherly (Spare Parts Puppet Theatre), Pilar Kasat (Community Arts Network Western Australia), Graeme Sward (Film & Television Institute) and arts consultant writer and researcher and former ABC Radio National Broadcaster, Barry Strickland.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/27/arts/design/27graffiti.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=all

Graffiti of New York’s Past, Revived and Remade

By RANDY KENNEDY
Published: October 26, 2010

Anyone who has been lost in the last few weeks around the southern reaches of the Gowanus Canal in Brooklyn could be excused for experiencing a powerful Koch administration flashback. On the wall of a brick warehouse there, visible from the parking lot of a furniture store, a huge mural unfurls itself, a loving, seemingly spray-by-spray re-creation of one of the more infamous pieces of graffiti ever to ride the subway: a 1980 work by the artist known as Seen that covered the length of a No. 6 train car with the ominous phrase “Hand of Doom.”

The original work — among those canonized in Henry Chalfant and Martha Cooper’s 1984 landmark photographic history, “Subway Art” — was a token of its troubled urban times, a reference to the Black Sabbath song of the same title with the words flanked by a hooded executioner and a time bomb. The 21st-century version, on closer inspection, turns out to be a bit gentler and a lot more oblique. It reads “Joan of Arc,” and the hatchet man has been replaced by an armored representation of the martyred French saint.

A few miles away, on a streetfront wall in the Sunset Park section of Brooklyn, a similarly odd example of historical revival has sprung up: a kinetic-looking 1980 piece by the graffiti writer Blade has been recreated, with the five letters of his name changed to read Plato. On a coffee shop wall in Bushwick, a name piece from the same year by the artist known as Dondi has been faithfully resurrected but changed to read Gandhi. And a copy of an early-’80s subway tag by the artist Sin appeared just last week on a row of lockers inside Louis D. Brandeis High School on the Upper West Side, with the addition of a few letters and some philosophical heft; the name is now Spinoza.

The pieces might sound like the result of some kind of graffiti-world version of Old-Timers’ Day at Yankee Stadium. But they are actually the works of a newly formed collective of (mostly) former graffiti writers in their 20s and 30s, who have embarked on an unusual citywide campaign to summon 50 or more of the most famous pieces of old-school graffiti out of the history books and back onto the streets. The project, called “Subway Art History,” is unusual not only because the artists are making the pieces with the permission of businesses, schools and other perhaps nostalgic owners of blank vertical space, but also because of the nature of the pieces themselves. They are expressions of homage in a subculture that has almost always been defined by fierce competition, intense striving for originality and a kill-the-elders attitude toward the past.

“In graffiti it’s like a teenage thing: ‘No way am I going to become my father, no way am I going to make anything that looks like anyone else’s’ — and then, of course, you become your father,” said a 32-year-old former graffiti writer who helped form the collective. He and other group members (there are 2 founders and a floating membership of about 10) asked that their names be withheld, not for the usual reason — the police — but because the collective, which calls itself Slavery, is seeking to get away from the ego jockeying that normally accompanies graffiti work.

The project was partly inspired, he said, by one completed last year along a blighted commercial stretch of West Philadelphia by the artist Steve Powers. As part of that city’s Mural Arts Program, Mr. Powers created a series of eye-popping murals visible from the elevated train line, with the cooperation of local property owners.

In New York the idea is to use the pieces to try to teach a two-part history lesson. The first is about the glories (as the collective sees it) of the early days of graffiti and the invention of a vernacular art form that has swept the world. The second lesson is about world history itself, in neighborhoods where education remains low on the list of priorities for many struggling teenagers.

The 32-year-old artist painted graffiti illegally for many years but is now a teacher, working with often troubled adolescents. Interviewed at a cafe near the Gowanus Canal, he said that the group started with Joan of Arc because the members saw her, dead at 19, as an emblem of both the power and the perils of youth. Besides warriors, philosophers and characters from Western and Eastern mythology (Sisyphus is on the list of coming works), he said that they also plan to include artists, writers and political and religious figures.

“Jesus is a great one,” he said. “I’d love to throw a Jesus in there somewhere, but also an Isis.”

He added: “To me, this is like a real-life Wikipedia project. We hope that the people who see the words help each other figure out what they’re about, and that these things start a conversation that keeps going on the streets.”

A print made of the Joan of Arc piece will be sold beginning next week as part of Edition One Hundred, a new online art gallery that sells limited-edition prints and gives 10 percent of the profits to charity. (The National Breast Cancer Foundation is its beneficiary because a friend of one of the collective’s founders battled the disease.) The eventual plan is to compile photographs of all the pieces, which could take more than a year to complete, into a book.

Mr. Chalfant, the graffiti photographer and historian, said that he had given his blessings to the project partly because such a tribute had few precedents in the world of New York graffiti. “I think it’s a wonderful reverse of what usually happens, which is that these people whose shoulders everyone has stood on don’t get any credit,” he said.

The artist-teacher allowed that, as feel-good as the project is, he decided not to seek permission systematically to recreate the older pieces from their creators or from the families of artists who are no longer living.

“It’s still such a boys’ club,” he said of the graffiti world. “I almost felt that I’d be humbling myself too much to go ask them, ‘Um, do you mind?’ ” he said.

But at least one of the veteran artists, Blade (whose real name is Steven Ogburn and who painted trains for more than a decade, starting in the early 1970s), said he didn’t mind at all.

“It’s nice the attention guys my age are finally starting to get for our work,” he said. “It kind of amazes me actually. People in their teens and 20s come up to me, and they know every detail of my life story. I’m like, ‘Wow, I don’t even remember dating that girl back in ’72, but this kid here knows all about it.’ ”

Anyone recommend any other good P2P music software?

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/world/8205054/limewire-file-sharing-service-shut-down-by-us-court/

LimeWire file-sharing service shut down by US court

October 27, 2010, 6:26 am

NEW YORK (AFP) - Popular online file-sharing service LimeWire was shut down by a US federal court on Tuesday following a lawsuit filed by the music industry.

The move came a little more than five months after a US judge ruled in favor of 13 music companies in a copyright infringement and unfair competition case brought against LimeWire.

LimeWire.com featured a legal notice on its home page on Tuesday stating it was "under a court-ordered injunction to stop distributing and supporting its file-sharing software."

The legal notice linked to the court order from US District Court Judge Kimba Wood ordering the closure of the service.

LimeWire chief executive George Searle said in a statement he was "disappointed with this turn of events."

"We are extremely proud of our pioneering history and have, for years, worked hard to bridge the gap between technology and content rights holders," Searle said. "However, at this time, we have no option but to cease further distribution and support of our software."

Searle thanked users of the service and said "our team of technologists and music enthusiasts are creating a completely new music service that puts you back at the center of your digital music experience."

"We'll be sharing more details about our new service and look forward to bringing it to you in the future," he said.

The 13 music companies filed their complaint against LimeWire in 2006 and Judge Wood ruled in their favor in May. In June, eight members of the National Music Publishers' Association filed a separate copyright suit against LimeWire.

LimeWire software was released in August 2000 and uses peer-to-peer, or P2P, technology to allow users to share music or other files over the Internet.

LimeWire is owned by the Lime Group, a New York-based company.

Dallas - I still use soulseek for music p2p.

..also, thanks for posting that graffiti article. I have often thought about certain walls being heritage listed, even in Perth. But, the nature of the art is that it is transitory, and free.

We sell a repressing of Martha Coopers seminal 1984 "Subway Art" book.

We also have a print here, that I haven't even got on display, signed (tagged?), by a guy called "Taki 183". Like it or not, Taki 183 was histories first prominent "tagger". I find it quite amazing that I can look at a tag by the very person who started tagging. A very rare piece indeed. There is a great article published in the NY Times, in 1971, all about Taki 183 and his prolific tagging exploits. The arguments for/against tagging have not changed for forty years. The same issues, again and again, for almost four decades!

New York continues to attract graffiti artists from Perth, to observe, and create art on the walls on NYC. NY is the home of modern graffiti art, this is not disputed.

Graffiti never fails to be contentious - my own opinion of it changes. At the moment I like the idea of it, I like some of it, and I like it when it's legal and not done without my consent on my property. It's a wonderfully subversive form of art.

I've been editing and researching my grandfather's manuscript of his time in the navy between 1924-1946 and came across a reference to some graffiti (tags?) on Garden Island by some of the First Fleeters when GI was literally used for the colony's first garden. Then there's Roman and Greek graffitii that's thousands of years old. I always read about it and enjoy conversations about it.

I have the day off tmw, so will check out the print of the tag you mentioned. Now that I've moved back to Perth I've been busting to have a day in the city. Where's your shop? Perhaps seeking heritage-listing for a graffiti piece is an issue you could begin (via facebook, maybe?). Would certainly fire a rocket up the perthnow crowds' arse.

Cheers for soulseek. I've been messing around with shareaza this morning but it's pretty average - like going back 10 years in p2p.

yeah..pop in and check our small gallery...

I went to ...fuck..one of the galleries/museums in NYC, that had an Egyptian temple in it (temple moved from Egypt to NY). The temple had tags/graffiti carved into the stone, dating back centuries, so as you point out, its nothing new!

hey Dallas, I'm free tomorrow if you wanna come wandering around town with me. You have my number :)

I went to ...fuck..one of the galleries/museums in NYC

The MET?

The MET?

Let me look it up...

..yep, the MET.

Cool, I had forgotten that I had seen the MET.

hey Dallas, I'm free tomorrow if you wanna come wandering around town with me. You have my number :)

And when Dilaz says he's free, he means "he's free".

Haha just spoke to him re our city walk tmw, and for the record he has a bf and so do I, not to mention the ridiculous age gap betwixt us :) Now pick up your dirty mind and give it a good hose down Mr Bart lol.

No need being so defensive - I wasn't doing any judging. :poke:

wanna cum bart?

Would one of you be nice enough to take some pretty pictures for us?

^and I'm not talking about pictures of the city..

noone seems to have mentioned this :
Kurt Wenner will be doing 3d chalk art at Belmont Forum Shopping Centre in November ... it was a story Saturday's West Australian

( google for images of his work - it's pretty amazing stuff )

Belmont Forum? What a fucking waste!

EPRA should let him loose in the Cultural Centre.

Listening to a review of the 30 minute kanye west video clip on triple J and it is making me mad. I thought the video clip was crap-ola and they are hailing it as awesome "It is just soooo beautiful to watch!!" ... Those type of art fags love to blow smoke up self indigent artist's arses!!

But the music in that video was pretty awesome! I think Kanye is a fudgewit but but he makes awesome beats… and then ruins it with is weak and armature lyrics and flow!!

please leave comment! haha

noone seems to have mentioned this :
Kurt Wenner will be doing 3d chalk art at Belmont Forum Shopping Centre in November ... it was a story Saturday's West Australian

( google for images of his work - it's pretty amazing stuff )

Awesome - that guy is a legend!

Thanks for the tip - any further details?

I will check it out for sure.

wanna cum bart?

Would one of you be nice enough to take some pretty pictures for us?

^and I'm not talking about pictures of the city..

:lol:

NATE - Do you have any spots left for Audrey??

I have a mate that is interested in coming. he loves that Japanese influenced style.

Some of his work (looks better on paper than skin)
http://www.porvida.com.au/tattooz/tattooz.html

Is your lovely lady coming along, Gabs?

NATE - Do you have any spots left for Audrey??

I have a mate that is interested in coming. he loves that Japanese influenced style.

Some of his work (looks better on paper than skin)
http://www.porvida.com.au/tattooz/tattooz.html

Yep - if I happen to not add another plus one next to your name, don't worry. Secret password is "Nate said it was cool" (I prob won't be on the door)...

Is your lovely lady coming along, Gabs?

Fo Sho!! She is excited about it...She really wants a Audrey piece in our apartment!

Fo Sho!! She is excited about it...She really wants a Audrey piece in our apartment!

We have some amazing prints of Audrey's coming in... happy to give you a little preview, it would need to be on Tuesday next week (before the Melb staff come over and stick to the rules about previews.. haha)

PS - prices are from $450 to $900 ... Audreys pieces are always a little more expensive.

Sanj, did you end up getting Kurt Elling tickets? Let me know how it was..

nah didnt end up getting tickets. too much on, had mulatu recently (which i didnt end up going to), ice cube tomorrow, the largesse dinner on monday (with chefs from bouchard, amuse, dear friends, clarkes, divido and red cabbage), femi kuti next weekend, sharon jones soon after, NYE tickets booked etc

just waaaay too many things on that cost money at the moment

are you going to the bakery for NYE sanj? Funny how it sold out so quickly, and also seeing people who had bought origin tickets only to jump ship as soon as the bakery bizzo was announced - god damn hipsters!

*for the record i'm not going

yeah i bought tix for it, will see if i end up going. if i dont ill just get rid of the tickets, shouldnt be too hard.

ive known the move crew for a long time and so will have a lot of mates there but i can see myself going for the NYD one more than the NYE gig. im not much of a fan of big NYE events, too many twats

ive gone for a few NYE gigs that they have done, they're usually good fun

it sold out quickly because it is a MASSIVE lineup for any venue let alone a small one like the bakery

to have flying lotus, dam funk, hudson mohawke and GLK for NYE is a pretty big effort. apparently Flylo will be playing a live set, should be fun. ill get boozed enough to either ignore or make fun of the hipsters so they wont bother me

Here is links to more info about Kurt Wenner at Belmont Forum from 29 Nov - 3 Dec 2010

http://www.about-australia.com/events/western-australia/perth/events/exhibition-show/master-3d-street-chalk-artist-at-belmont-forum/

Belmont Forum shopping centre is pleased to announce this commissioning of Master Artist Kurt Wenner to do a three dimensional (3D) chalk drawing inside the centre. Kurt Wenner will be creating a five metre by five metre nativity themed piece.

Kurt Wenner will be working on his 3D floor composition during trade hours where shoppers can watch the illusion coming to life.

This is an exclusive event as this is Kurt Wenner's first visit to Australia.

Log onto the website for further details. Kurt's work will be on display throughout December 2010.


http://www.perthnow.com.au/gallery-e6frg3mc-1225942650992?page=1

We have some amazing prints of Audrey's coming in... happy to give you a little preview, it would need to be on Tuesday next week (before the Melb staff come over and stick to the rules about previews.. haha)

PS - prices are from $450 to $900 ... Audreys pieces are always a little more expensive.

sounds like a plan. when would be the best time to come in? your nrmally closed when I walk past between 515-530. but I think I will be able to leave early next tuesday, being Melbourne cup n all. :)

Fo Sho!! She is excited about it...She really wants a Audrey piece in our apartment!

Awesome. You gonna introduce us? :)

^^ yeh of course! I have already told her that she will be meeting you...

Yayness :okay:

Nate- I'm actually in love with your gallery. Can't stop thinking about that print in the window of the city being attacked by some creature. So tempted to come in and make a down payment on it.

I'm also in love with "The Best Sushi in Town" print. Wish i had the money to start a proper art collection.

NATE -
http://hypebeast.com/2010/10/niels-shoe-meulman-calligraffiti-throw-ups-exhibition/

Dilaz - thanks so much! Laybuy is no problem.

Gabs - thanks as well, hadn't seen that one - I used to check Hypebeast more regularly - there is so much going on in LA when it comes to contemporary art - more than any other city on earth I would say...

Dilaz - I shoudl have also mentioned, the artists who created "Best Sushi in Town" are coming all the way from Los Angeles, to have an exhibition at our gallery March 11th next year. Locked in.

This is quite a coup, as they are hugely successful/popular these days. Can't wait!

They have also asked me to send them some photos of Perth/Northbridge, to potentially be used for a panoramic style painting that they will sell prints of worldwide!

Dilaz - I shoudl have also mentioned, the artists who created "Best Sushi in Town" are coming all the way from Los Angeles, to have an exhibition at our gallery March 11th next year. Locked in.

This is quite a coup, as they are hugely successful/popular these days. Can't wait!

They have also asked me to send them some photos of Perth/Northbridge, to potentially be used for a panoramic style painting that they will sell prints of worldwide!

Check my facebook photo album "The real northbridge" that should get you started... LOL


P.s, wifey has decided on which Audrey she wants. The one with the streetscape in the background... :)

p.p.s I want to meet the women that inspires her drawings... she is hot!! LOL

Gabs - I am there tomorrow from 10.30 - 5.30...

Gabs - I am there tomorrow from 10.30 - 5.30...

if i can make it down in time, can I buy it or do I have to wait until Friday? either way... Dibbs!!

So you're just going for the free beer then, Gabs? :tongue2:

Is it this one:

http://www.audrey-kawasaki.com/paintings/sayinggoodbye_lj2.jpg

There exists only one of these in Australia - personally inspected/signed by Audrey - Artist Proof print, number 15 of an edition of only 15. Physically, its a also a really good size, in a great frame.

Pop in to see me, or PM me if you can't make it today.

^^ i wouldnt call it free if i am buying some prints... going for the "bonus" beer!! haha

holy shit that is awesome. howw much is it nate?

Is it this one:

http://www.audrey-kawasaki.com/paintings/sayinggoodbye_lj2.jpg

There exists only one of these in Australia - personally inspected/signed by Audrey - Artist Proof print, number 15 of an edition of only 15. Physically, its a also a really good size, in a great frame.

Pop in to see me, or PM me if you can't make it today.

yes! I will try to make it. can you PM the price to me, So i can re-arrange my spends account. :cheers:

holy shit that is awesome. howw much is it nate?

its sold mate! haha

haha just curious mate, no need to panic