This is a platform for discussion of Kenya's turbulent political situation, that is characterised with machinations, scheming, tribalisation, nepotism and the unknowns.

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Let us be tolerant and to different views and opinions.
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We need to sweep out all this politicians we have, make a new generation leaders!

We need to sweep out all this politicians we have, make a new generation leaders!


So far, it looks like the ''new generation leaders'' are not yet born. Though I get the feeling the next elections will see a large number of the current "leaders" being sent home yet again...if we get that chance.

man these politicians are so much into political shite that even if some of them tried to do the right thing their past deeds would prevent them from doing any good. that is why gosh dang it these leaders should just get the hell out of city halls all over kenya, the parliament, vacate their ministerial posts and the state house!!!!! they just need to sod off ASAP!!!!!!!!!

Same BS everytime. i mean i know the newspapers tend to only focus on bad news but still these leaders just dont get it even when the president is interrupted in his speech they(the govt) still doesnt get it. you see other country leaders(although not perfect) doing their best to improve the lives of their citizens and yet our dumb leaders cant do shit to benefit the mwananchi. everytime one of these so called kenyan leaders open their mouths they just piss me off even more!!?? why us? why kenyans? why?? what did kenyans ever do to deserve these morally corrupt leaders???FUCK!!!!! man, someone pass me a glass of water coz i seriously gotta cool off.

The problem is Kenyans will keep voting for these incompetent and corrupt leaders every time.When people try to vote for change and other Kenyans vote for the same corrupt leaders who feel like they own the country,we should not be surprised that corruption,incompetence and laxity is what characterizes our government.

The problem is Kenyans will keep voting for these incompetent and corrupt leaders every time.When people try to vote for change and other Kenyans vote for the same corrupt leaders who feel like they own the country,we should not be surprised that corruption,incompetence and laxity is what characterizes our government.

Just wondering. is it possible to pick out someone with potential from outside parliament. someone who has shown that he can perform eg. former Nairobi city council town clerk, then most of us back that person for president instead of those goons inside parliament. one way or another, their time is going to be up. (If only Kenyans change their voting patterns.)

I already cast my vote for 2012.. Its going to be Martha Karua,I dont care if she has a real shot at winning or not..she is Kenya's closest thing to Obama among our current crop of politicians!

The problem is Kenyans will keep voting for these incompetent and corrupt leaders every time.When people try to vote for change and other Kenyans vote for the same corrupt leaders who feel like they own the country,we should not be surprised that corruption,incompetence and laxity is what characterizes our government.

Sad but true.. I would say tribalism and ignorance are our biggest problems. Unfortunately,the bulk of our electorate is very gullible and naive..our politicians know this and they always play it to their advantage. All is not lost though,Kenyans are more informed now and we will get there..even if it takes forever...

Just wondering. is it possible to pick out someone with potential from outside parliament. someone who has shown that he can perform eg. former Nairobi city council town clerk, then most of us back that person for president instead of those goons inside parliament. one way or another, their time is going to be up. (If only Kenyans change their voting patterns.)

The former NCC town clerk may have been a performer, but to the eyes of many, he is a Kikuyu, therefore unelectable. This is the tragedy of Kenya.

I already cast my vote for 2012.. Its going to be Martha Karua,I dont care if she has a real shot at winning or not..she is Kenya's closest thing to Obama among our current crop of politicians!

Well, she does have potential but she has like four things running against her.

1.She is a woman (I really wish Kenya has a lady for a president but not too many people want that.)

2.She comes from a poor background (good for me coz she knows how much Kenyans suffer but for other fatcats in that house, no way)

3.She is a Kikuyu (sadly, I have to factor that in)

4.She is abrasive. She just rubs too many people the wrong way.

The former NCC town clerk may have been a performer, but to the eyes of many, he is a Kikuyu, therefore unelectable. This is the tragedy of Kenya.

Maybe not. These guys are good at forming coalitions and they have to bring in a Kikuyu to balance their ethnic arithmetic. There might not be a Kikuyu president but a prime minister may be highly possible.

everytime one of these so called kenyan leaders open their mouths they just piss me off even more!!??

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I see this as a good thing. Kenyans everywhere feel the way you do. I have travelled and interracted with people all over Kenya and you can sense the anger in their voice. Remember the loathing people displayed towards Moi's government in 2002, I sense the same disgust and maybe to a higher degree for the current government. And it seems our MP's are too blind to see this.Their time is running out. Wakati hii si mchezo.

Our leaders are all incapable of leading a nation as sophisticated as kenya. We need a totally new generation of technocrats based on merit with a soft authoritarian feel. If this doesn't happen soon , we are going to continue dwelling in the dark ages for a long, long time.

I seriosly mean no malice by this question and i hope we are rational in our responses. is it that a large number of kenyans really do believe the kikuyu steriotypes or is it the that kibaki and his mt kenya buddies gave kikuyus a bad rap among kenyans? i am a kamba and personally i have no problem about any kenyan from any tribe being in governent but i cannot stand the so called mt kenya mafia with the corruption scandals, and the mismanagement/misuse of public office and power. its not the kikuyu i dont like in power, its kibaki and hi buddies that i cant stand. actually apart from harun mwau(his work in his constituency speaks for itself), i dont think there is a current kamba leader that is fit to rule our nation, not kalonzo or my own MP mrs ngilu.

IMO, i believe that kenyans(not from mt kenya area) have no problem with a kikuyu being in govt that is why they voted for mr kibaki back in 2002, but i do believe that kibaki misused/misunderstood/disregarded the faith and hopes that kenyans had placed on him and his administration by not honouring some of the MoU agreements, also he allowed the ultimate sin to be commited under his watch i.e grand corruption in the form of angloleasing, he then continued and had wako alter the bomas draft which really then pissed of people and our dear country got divided.

now on the same breath i have to say that odm isnt to be excused either, because after the MoU fallout they created a message that kikuyus were taking over government just to benefit their community, also after the wako draft odm camp never moved to repair the cracks that had divided our nation hence the kikuyus developed a strong dislike for ODM as a whole.

i might be wrong in some of my accounts and assesments but my opinion is, KENYANS AT THIS POINT REALLY DONT CARE WHICH TRIBE OUR NEXT LEADER COMES FROM AS LONG AS HE/SHE CAN GET THINGS DONE TO THE BENEFIT OF OUR NATION!!!!! idk if this is true or not but i dont think kikuyus have that much love left for MR kibaki and hi crew. im sure that if a person from any other tribe would emerge as a serious intelligent and fiercely patriotic leader kikuyus would vote for him because deep down kenyans want what is better for kenya as a whole.

so my question is, do kenyans really care what tribe their leaders come from? i have given you my opinion what is yours? please be civil, remember just coz other people dont agree with you it doesnt mean they are wrong or stupid.

I seriosly mean no malice by this question and i hope we are rational in our responses. is it that a large number of kenyans really do believe the kikuyu steriotypes or is it the that kibaki and his mt kenya buddies gave kikuyus a bad rap among kenyans? i am a kamba and personally i have no problem about any kenyan from any tribe being in governent but i cannot stand the so called mt kenya mafia with the corruption scandals, and the mismanagement/misuse of public office and power. its not the kikuyu i dont like in power, its kibaki and hi buddies that i cant stand. actually apart from harun mwau(his work in his constituency speaks for itself), i dont think there is a current kamba leader that is fit to rule our nation, not kalonzo or my own MP mrs ngilu.

IMO, i believe that kenyans(not from mt kenya area) have no problem with a kikuyu being in govt that is why they voted for mr kibaki back in 2002, but i do believe that kibaki misused/misunderstood/disregarded the faith and hopes that kenyans had placed on him and his administration by not honouring some of the MoU agreements, also he allowed the ultimate sin to be commited under his watch i.e grand corruption in the form of angloleasing, he then continued and had wako alter the bomas draft which really then pissed of people and our dear country got divided.

now on the same breath i have to say that odm isnt to be excused either, because after the MoU fallout they created a message that kikuyus were taking over government just to benefit their community, also after the wako draft odm camp never moved to repair the cracks that had divided our nation hence the kikuyus developed a strong dislike for ODM as a whole.

i might be wrong in some of my accounts and assesments but my opinion is, KENYANS AT THIS POINT REALLY DONT CARE WHICH TRIBE OUR NEXT LEADER COMES FROM AS LONG AS HE/SHE CAN GET THINGS DONE TO THE BENEFIT OF OUR NATION!!!!! idk if this is true or not but i dont think kikuyus have that much love left for MR kibaki and hi crew. im sure that if a person from any other tribe would emerge as a serious intelligent and fiercely patriotic leader kikuyus would vote for him because deep down kenyans want what is better for kenya as a whole.

so my question is, do kenyans really care what tribe their leaders come from? i have given you my opinion what is yours? please be civil, remember just coz other people dont agree with you it doesnt mean they are wrong or stupid.

As with all negative stereotypes, the Kikuyu ones started a long time ago and did not start during Kibaki's regime. Obviously, kibaki's regime has given the 'Kyuks' a bad name.

Im begining to believe that Kenyans didnt vote for Kibaki as a whole in 2002. I mean, Kibaki isn't exactly a firebrand politician who can move the masses. They merely followed their individual ethnic leaders who endorsed Kibaki in the hope that since their respective leaders will be in power, they will benefit in one way or another. Others like me just voted to kick Moi out period!

You are right about peoples dislike for Kibaki and every other leader cruising around in their SUV's as the mwananchi feels the pinch of the economic slowdown and drought. If only someone could stand up and show Kenyans what he/she really stands for in making the country move forward, this would be the perfect time. However, the psychological damage done after the 2007 elections cannot be wished away-Kenya changed...and I will forever curse our politicians for that.

As with all negative stereotypes, the Kikuyu ones started a long time ago and did not start during Kibaki's regime. Obviously, kibaki's regime has given the 'Kyuks' a bad name.

Im begining to believe that Kenyans didnt vote for Kibaki as a whole in 2002. I mean, Kibaki isn't exactly a firebrand politician who can move the masses. They merely followed their individual ethnic leaders who endorsed Kibaki in the hope that since their respective leaders will be in power, they will benefit in one way or another. Others like me just voted to kick Moi out period!

You are right about peoples dislike for Kibaki and every other leader cruising around in their SUV's as the mwananchi feels the pinch of the economic slowdown and drought. If only someone could stand up and show Kenyans what he/she really stands for in making the country move forward, this would be the perfect time. However, the psychological damage done after the 2007 elections cannot be wished away-Kenya changed...and I will forever curse our politicians for that.

now that u mentioned it, it does make sense. i have never thought of it that way. i for one really believed in mr kibaki

I do think Martha Karua can be a good president.Problem is she can';t win without a formidable coalition.NARC kenya is not a popular party.I'm not sure how serious she is in running for president,it could be argued that she's just playing politics and she will join a coalition with either PNU or ODM and be rewarded with a DPM post in a future government.

I already cast my vote for 2012.. Its going to be Martha Karua,I dont care if she has a real shot at winning or not..she is Kenya's closest thing to Obama among our current crop of politicians!



^^ for martha karua count me out i will be the last one voting for her, after she insulted my people during the referendum when people said chungwa in garissa, she later said even refugees refused to vote for us:ohno: is that presidential material after you insulting the people you want their votes. i can assure you NEP is the province should be getting zero, its better to vote for pattni than her:lol:

Changing the leaders alone will not help kenyans.what i see in kenya is leaders ruling the laws not laws ruling the leaders, as for now a new constitution is what kenya needs.

Changing the leaders alone will not help kenyans.what i see in kenya is leaders ruling the laws not laws ruling the leaders, as for now a new constitution is what kenya needs.

Well said! A new constitution that promotes devolution of power.An all powerful central government is a recipe for Corruption and impunity.

Changing the leaders alone will not help kenyans.what i see in kenya is leaders ruling the laws not laws ruling the leaders, as for now a new constitution is what kenya needs.

^^ leaders reflect the wider society and the decay is about the moral degradation of society, constitution can be nice well written document therefore whats is important is its not content but the political willingness to implement it, for example we had twenties of tribunal and commission of inquiries who came up with nice and helpful documents:nuts: which are dusting in the government shelves but never implemented.:ohno: but starting everybody want the commission its a cash to swindle the public coffers:ohno:

i am really pessimistic about the new constitution already the political wrangles have taken centre stage where leaders are thinking their parochial interests, they are seeing the office created how they fit in and not seeing as institutions for example look the different position taken by the parties and their hardline stance plus the now the christian religious leaders rejecting the inclusion of the Kadhi court which is pushed by the western interests but not the kenyan common man.:ohno: that will again force the muslims to reject again the outcome:ohno:

There will be change in Kenya if we only constitutional reforms. We still depend on colonial times constitution!

^^ for martha karua count me out i will be the last one voting for her, after she insulted my people during the referendum when people said chungwa in garissa, she later said even refugees refused to vote for us:ohno: is that presidential material after you insulting the people you want their votes. i can assure you NEP is the province should be getting zero, its better to vote for pattni than her:lol:

Dont get me wrong,am not saying martha karua is a saint..she also has her faults,but I would say she is our best bet. This coalition govt. as mutahi ngunyi put it..is a 'fellowship of thugs'! Both ODM and PNU,none of them cares about the ordinary mwananchi. As long as both of them are getting their share its all good,am really dissappointed in ODM coz I thought things would change once they are in govt. they had branded themselves as the reformers and championing the rights of the poor bt its now business as usual. If this coalition govt. was serious..kimunya, kiraitu and ruto wouldnt be in it,both parties seem to condone corruption. And kibaki is just a BIG JOKE,he renewed muhoho's contract,the guy can barely walk..he keeps recycling this old people over n over,these grandpas should just go home. Its just ridiculous, muthaura collapsed in office the other day,he is already past the retirement age..he goes to SA for surgery comes back and is still holding on to the head of civil service...

Dont get me wrong,am not saying martha karua is a saint..she also has her faults,but I would say she is our best bet. This coalition govt. as mutahi ngunyi put it..is a 'fellowship of thugs'! Both ODM and PNU,none of them cares about the ordinary mwananchi. As long as both of them are getting their share its all good,am really dissappointed in ODM coz I thought things would change once they are in govt. they had branded themselves as the reformers and championing the rights of the poor bt its now business as usual. If this coalition govt. was serious..kimunya, kiraitu and ruto wouldnt be in it,both parties seem to condone corruption. And kibaki is just a BIG JOKE,he renewed muhoho's contract,the guy can barely walk..he keeps recycling this old people over n over,these grandpas should just go home. Its just ridiculous, muthaura collapsed in office the other day,he is already past the retirement age..he goes to SA for surgery comes back and is still holding on to the head of civil service...

^^absolutely true 100% i concur with you,:lol: about this one your brutely honest:ohno: recycling septuagenarians all the time, to be honest our views don't hold water in the eyes of this political conmen, :lol: it is scratch my back i scratch yours:ohno: we taxpayers suffering in the process is a kind collateral damage to their beliefs:) the funny part they will be with us sometime its our destiny:hilarious:hilarious:hilarious

Atleast give Kibaki his due complements. The economy grew rapidly between 2003 - 2007 and most of us will not have had the change to post the projects we have been posting here where it not for the policies of his government.

Atleast give Kibaki his due complements. The economy grew rapidly between 2003 - 2007 and most of us will not have had the change to post the projects we have been posting here where it not for the policies of his government.

man i would give kibaki his due compliments BUT the negatives he has brought to the country are so big and fundamental that it is hard for any positive to over ride his negatives. grand corruption, no new constitution, and the worsed? an election that almost brought civil war to kenya!!! that is really really not cool to me esp given that i was a big fan and supporter of mr kibz, i remember looking for every little excuse as to why anglo-leasing was not kibaki's fault. he was and is the leader since 2004, so he is responsible for all of the above

i dont know if mr Githongo is politically able to lead kenya BUT i would fly home just to vote for him. to me he represents what true patriotism is.

Najib Balala,the only true 'religious' man,with a clean slate and good leadership....Tribalism wont have an effect on him seeing he is a minority.Just my take though.:)

Najib Balala,the only true 'religious' man,with a clean slate and good leadership....Tribalism wont have an effect on him seeing he is a minority.Just my take though.:)

Actually, tribalism is precisely why he can't get votes. He's an Arab (or perceived to be one) His chances are as good as if Richard Leakey or Passaris were to contest for the presidency.

Not even halfway through this term and we are discussing the next elections. why dont we discuss 2017 as well.

I think the main thing on thisthread should be performance of each docket and we should be seeking to enlighten each other as to who is doing well in parliament or as aminister. lets leave the succession talk to at earliest 2011.

Dissapointing crowd for the game between Kenya and Brazil. The score is 0-0 after 4 minutes.

man i would give kibaki his due compliments BUT the negatives he has brought to the country are so big and fundamental that it is hard for any positive to over ride his negatives. grand corruption, no new constitution, and the worsed? an election that almost brought civil war to kenya!!! that is really really not cool to me esp given that i was a big fan and supporter of mr kibz, i remember looking for every little excuse as to why anglo-leasing was not kibaki's fault. he was and is the leader since 2004, so he is responsible for all of the above

i dont know if mr Githongo is politically able to lead kenya BUT i would fly home just to vote for him. to me he represents what true patriotism is.

^^before kibaki took over we were the best hope in Africa in terms of democracy:ohno: but now people classify Kenya with Zimbabwe:ohno: kibaki has set a dangerous precedent of the alleged stealing the election and again clinking to power at any cost even when Kenya was burning.:ohno:

Actually, tribalism is precisely why he can't get votes. He's an Arab (or perceived to be one) His chances are as good as if Richard Leakey or Passaris were to contest for the presidency.

^^ that is why we loosing hope day by day because Kenyans are not honest neither truthful:bash: the day majority of central province people accept honestly with open mind that the rest of Kenyans too have right to rule, at the same time that the luos accept its not must Raila to be president for Kenya to be prosperous then it will be new dawn and new beginning for Kenya. the other option should be decentralized government with regional governors and rotational presidency in the 8 provinces with 4 years one term each.

The politics of need(Poverty) is what drives the Kenyan politics. Until such time when the masses have food, jobs and an overall decent way of living I do not expect them in long time to come to be able to choose the right leaders, its unfortunate but true and that is why the elites(politicians) know the buttons to push in order to survive Kenya's murky politics despite having little if any to show for their term as peoples representative.

Another low for the Kenyan politicians is that even those that we think are upright are easily transformed by the current existing system.

The politics of need(Poverty) is what drives the Kenyan politics. Until such time when the masses have food, jobs and an overall decent way of living I do not expect them in long time to come to be able to choose the right leaders, its unfortunate but true and that is why the elites(politicians) know the buttons to push in order to survive Kenya's murky politics despite having little if any to show for their term as peoples representative.

Another low for the Kenyan politicians is that even those that we think are upright are easily transformed by the current existing system.


Good analysis Kisumu Ndogo that is spot on.

Kibaki Reappoints Ringera


Somebody tell me what is wrong with this old man?barely after the country has forgiven him for stealing an election,He has reappointed Amos kimunya back to government, he still retains octogenarian Muthaura, he has refused to fire the police commissioner Ali despite overwhelming evidence that he is incompetent and directly caused several human rights infringements[sanctioning police brutality and murder],refused to fire Chief justice Evans gicheru despite his poor performance on our barely working judicial system,Refuses to fire Amos wako who has terminated,or deliberately failed to prosecute corrupt individuals and now to put icing on the cake,he has reappointed Ringera,who during his tenure has not successfully prosecuted any top politician involved in corruption.

Someone tell me if this is not impunity at its best.

the best thing to happen to Kenya in a long time was the CDF. It showed people what it might feel like to have localized power and decision making. The CDF is undergoing a review to see how best to incorporate more local voices while doing away with cronyism. Once people start asking questions about things that affect them, they then will get accustomed to asking for results from leaders before and after the electoral cycle.
Secondly there are some good leaders both in and out of parliament that portend good tiding for the future; Peter Kenneth, Johnston Muthama, Mwalimu Matti, PLO Lumumba, Ababu Namwamba to name but a few.

There could seem everything going terribly wrong in Kenya,especially if you scan the political landscape and endless bickering, but also, there are plenty of nice things going on too.For the first time in many decades, I can drive straight to my home town-Kakamega-without bothering too much about sections of the road: a formerly treacherous motorists treat of close to 400km. Much of the Nairobi and Mombasa Highway is complete.What that means to me is that if I switch off my ears to the politics,( i.e never read the Daily Nation,Standard with their affiliated Electronic channels KTN and NTV), just concentrate on the core business of what I do everyday, I will score miles and miles undisturbed. There are some arguments that we could have done better, true,but its a natural human endeavour everywhere to want to do better-infact,that's why we wake up everyday-to complete, better or start on the chores that we have unfinished. Just how far we achieve depends on our individual focus,tenacity and resilience. As Kenyans, what we must avoid are spirits of despair and blame-shifting. Our eyes must steadly be fixed on the ultimate prize-to reach where the United States or Asian Tigers are. Never be cheated that there will never be blunders or mistakes along the way. Every nation or individual has had its share;Americans recently had a stolen election between Al Gore and George Bush,the Israelis have uncountable crises-the list is long-but these nations(or entities) never lose focus.
Acreed79,we can not look at individuals because they are human and they disappoint. Case in point and on your list: Before Ababu Namwamba joined Parliament, he was a brilliant reformist. His column in the Standard was a must read and (he was a Fulbright Scholar I think) at George Washington University in Washington.D.C during much of 2005 & 2006. Lately, you don't hear as much as a whimper from him. Remember he was severally named in the maize scandal. That is just one example. I know it has been said before,but what Kenya needs is simply Institutional & Constitutional Reform. Some benefits are what we are now seeing; A Parliament that can say no to Presidential excesses-like in the Aaron Ringera case-a situation which is simply unprecedented in our history.

That is just one example. I know it has been said before,but what Kenya needs is simply Institutional & Constitutional Reform. Some benefits are what we are now seeing; A Parliament that can say no to Presidential excesses-like in the Aaron Ringera case-a situation which is simply unprecedented in our history.

Very well said.What irks me the most is that our current president is using our flawed constitution to exercise impunity.When he errs,his "people" fall back on a flawed constitution as their basis of argument.eg Mutula Kilonzo,He does not see what is morally wrong with kibaki's reappoint of Ringera,instead he is citing from the flawed constitution that we are trying to overhaul.

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Very well said.What irks me the most is that our current president is using our flawed constitution to exercise impunity.When he errs,his "people" fall back on a flawed constitution as their basis of argument.eg Mutula Kilonzo,He does not see what is morally wrong with kibaki's reappoint of Ringera,instead he is citing from the flawed constitution that we are trying to overhaul.

Ernesto, don't despair yet, Kenya's deliverance is at hand. There are only 3 weeks left before senor Luis Moreno-Ocampo deadline expires and he moves in to start full investigations on PEV leading to indictments of many current political elites.

I get the feeling that Kenya will never be the same again after this. It will be the defining moment where a clean break with the recycled leaders will be made and a refreshing wave of new political dynamics will sweep the nation.

Just watch.

What that means to me is that if I switch off my ears to the politics,( i.e never read the Daily Nation,Standard with their affiliated Electronic channels KTN and NTV), just concentrate on the core business of what I do everyday, I will score miles and miles undisturbed.

Just goes to show how much the media are indirectly influencing politics in Kenya. The national pastime for most Kenyans to sit around the TV at 9pm to watch what those cartoons have been upto and then moan about it later does not help much. If we gave the politicians a media blackout, or just ignore them totally, I think more would be done instead of them just focusing on hogging the national spotlight for all the wrong reasons at our expense.

Kibaki Reappoints Ringera


Somebody tell me what is wrong with this old man?barely after the country has forgiven him for stealing an election,He has reappointed Amos kimunya back to government, he still retains octogenarian Muthaura, he has refused to fire the police commissioner Ali despite overwhelming evidence that he is incompetent and directly caused several human rights infringements[sanctioning police brutality and murder],refused to fire Chief justice Evans gicheru despite his poor performance on our barely working judicial system,Refuses to fire Amos wako who has terminated,or deliberately failed to prosecute corrupt individuals and now to put icing on the cake,he has reappointed Ringera,who during his tenure has not successfully prosecuted any top politician involved in corruption.

Someone tell me if this is not impunity at its best.

No surprise there, They all have one goal...EAT the national cake and share with whoever makes it easier to do so.

Like Chui said, all these will come to pass, we all need to reposition ourselves to take advantage of some of the projects envisioned under vision 2030. The frame work is remarkably simple and has legs. Maybe down the line all of us in this forum will set up a company to help guide investments into these targeted areas. As for politics I think the USA should serve as an example; you have a variety of choices in TV and sports as well as entertainment to help distract the population from politics i.e you come home at 5 watch espn, while drinking your budlight the tune in to one of the thousands of shows geared towards your liking. Choice is not a bad thing really, everyone wins in the end.

Hi everybody, the other day Kenyan Mp's flexed their muscles to revoke Ringer'as appointment by the president and render it null, What do people think is it a beginning of something big or what?

Hi everybody, the other day Kenyan Mp's flexed their muscles to revoke Ringer'as appointment by the president and render it null, What do people think is it a beginning of something big or what?

Janam2000,still tuned.Now you have your answer. Parliament's decision is an assertion of the will and people's power prevailing. Behind the scenes is a steady and visionary strategist. A better strategist than Paul Kagame,Yoweri Museveni or Vladmir Putin all put together.This strategist is the ODM Leader.

Janam2000,still tuned.Now you have your answer. Parliament's decision is an assertion of the will and people's power prevailing. Behind the scenes is a steady and visionary strategist. A better strategist than Paul Kagame,Yoweri Museveni or Vladmir Putin all put together.This strategist is the ODM Leader.

But if parliament becomes too powerful, will the ODM leader want the presidency come 2012?

The presidency is increasingly becoming a hollow shell.

But if parliament becomes too powerful, will the ODM leader want the presidency come 2012?

The presidency is increasingly becoming a hollow shell.

A leader who is in tune and sensitive to peoples aspirations and needs will be effective,wherever he is placed.

But if parliament becomes too powerful, will the ODM leader want the presidency come 2012?

The presidency is increasingly becoming a hollow shell.

I found this interesting...

An award-winning documentary by Judy Kibinge
About the Film
This coming of age story depicts the three ages and stages of democracy as seen through the eyes of a girl growing up. The Kenyatta era, a time of great optimism and post-independence euphoria is reflected in the innocence and naivety of the young girl. As Kenya enters its next era, of dictatorship under Daniel arap Moi, the gloom of oppression and confusion is reflected by teenage turmoil and finally, all grown up, we find ourselves in Kenyas third stage of democracy under Mwai Kibaki and wondering if democracy, with all its free speech and openness can ever really come of age.


Coming of Age - Democratic evolution in Kenya

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the real chance kenya will get a good leader is in 2017 when the old and not so good leaders have long gone

the real chance kenya will get a good leader is in 2017 when the old and not so good leaders have long gone

madmic4 are you Kenyan? Welcome the forum.^^

It just amazes me how we have been silent about the Referendum on this forum.I will not bury my head in the sand any longer,vote YES and the country goes to the dogs.They have to amend the abortion issue and the other one I wont dare mention here.Votes from certain groups in the country are not worth the risks involved if we adopt the draft as it is.The Kenyan criminal code is not based on the bible,everybody must abide by it regardless of their denomination.With that said,if they dont amend it as the civil society is demanding,I am praying you guys vote NO.

It just amazes me how we have been silent about the Referendum on this forum.I will not bury my head in the sand any longer,vote YES and the country goes to the dogs.They have to amend the abortion issue and the other one I wont dare mention here.Votes from certain groups in the country are not worth the risks involved if we adopt the draft as it is.The Kenyan criminal code is not based on the bible,everybody must abide by it regardless of their denomination.With that said,if they dont amend it as the civil society is demanding,I am praying you guys vote NO.

Im voting Yes.

I am vouching for YES, not because I like the proposed constitution actually I really don't but because its going to start a subtle revolution that will see Kenya move into higher echelons of 'democracy' proper representation, prosperity and respect for human rights. Can't(I mean it) trust our politicians for next time..

The way I see it, people will vote yes just to get it out of the way (voter fatigue)...then settle down to our usual politics and vote for the lesser evil come 2012.

VOTE Y.E.S!!!!!!! we can talk all day about abortion but i am not letting my country stick with a mideval constitution because of abortion. please vote yes.

VOTE Y.E.S!!!!!!! we can talk all day about abortion but i am not letting my country stick with a mideval constitution because of abortion. please vote yes.

I don't want to see a repeat of 2007-08 ever again in Kenya. Abortion, Kadhi's courts just do not measure up to that event. This is the first sure step to ensure that it never happens again.

I don't want to see a repeat of 2007-08 ever again in Kenya. Abortion, Kadhi's courts just do not measure up to that event. This is the first sure step to ensure that it never happens again.

well put.

I am also voting YES.Its silly to shoot down a good constitution because of abortion and kadhi's courts.People did not get beat up,killed tortured by moi fighting for a new constitution because of kadhi's courts and abortion.

I am also voting YES.Its silly to shoot down a good constitution because of abortion and kadhi's courts.People did not get beat up,killed tortured by moi fighting for a new constitution because of kadhi's courts and abortion.

^^i am going back for the this shit big fat YES :cheers:impunity must end :cheers:

It just amazes me how we have been silent about the Referendum on this forum.I will not bury my head in the sand any longer,vote YES and the country goes to the dogs.They have to amend the abortion issue and the other one I wont dare mention here.Votes from certain groups in the country are not worth the risks involved if we adopt the draft as it is.The Kenyan criminal code is not based on the bible,everybody must abide by it regardless of their denomination.With that said,if they dont amend it as the civil society is demanding,I am praying you guys vote NO.

:lol::lol::lol: damn how i didn't see you contribution long time,:lol: Mwana you will realize later this comments at 22 now very complicated for now :jk: the time for ending corruption,tribalism,corrynism, land grabbing, injustice, impunity, electoral theft and so many others that social evils that is ailing in our community. may i burst your bubble like it or not you will still find us in Kenya whether you called us evil or not, i never thought you become more Kenyan if your carrying christian name before this nonsense comment :bash:

:lol::lol::lol: damn how i didn't see you contribution long time,:lol: Mwana you will realize later this comments at 22 now very complicated for now :jk: the time for ending corruption,tribalism,corrynism, land grabbing, injustice, impunity, electoral theft and so many others that social evils that is ailing in our community. may i burst your bubble like it or not you will still find us in Kenya whether you called us evil or not, i never thought you become more Kenyan if your carrying christian name before this nonsense comment :bash:

^^ The Supreme Court of Kenya ruled that kadhis courts are illegal.Its not a Christian vs Muslim issue,everybody must be treated equal before the law REGARDLESS OF THEIR DENOMINATIONS.:)

^^ The Supreme Court of Kenya ruled that kadhis courts are illegal.Its not a Christian vs Muslim issue,everybody must be treated equal before the law REGARDLESS OF THEIR DENOMINATIONS.:)

^^damn this why we have problems, people never read the constitution but just blur-baring, Mr we don't have Supreme court, but it will be in the proposed constitution(referendum one) the highest court we have currently is court of appeal.

for the history one side of the judiciary cannot nullify another part since they are both creatures of the constitution, calling one part of the constitution illegal itself is also illegal, by the way the judges were abusing their powers to swing peoples opinion and the issue at hand is very weighty its can make or break the country, we are too good to go Nigeria's way:lol::lol: remember if your a leader sometimes you have to follow your mind and conscience than your heart. have a nice day:)

^^damn this why we have problems, people never read the constitution but just blur-baring, Mr we don't have Supreme court, but it will be in the proposed constitution(referendum one) the highest court we have currently is court of appeal.

for the history one side of the judiciary cannot nullify another part since they are both creatures of the constitution, calling one part of the constitution illegal itself is also illegal, by the way the judges were abusing their powers to swing peoples opinion and the issue at hand is very weighty its can make or break the country, we are too good to go Nigeria's way:lol::lol: remember if your a leader sometimes you have to follow your mind and conscience than your heart. have a nice day:)

:lol:Okay.We will wait for Kibakis veto.Thanks for the history lesson,though you need it the most.If you think the judges abused their powers go and appeal,we are a democracy too.Kenya is a secular state last time I checked.

:lol:Okay.We will wait for Kibakis veto.Thanks for the history lesson,though you need it the most.If you think the judges abused their powers go and appeal,we are a democracy too.Kenya is a secular state last time I checked.

^^boy i was really wrong to overestimate your knowledge and Judgement, the issue is not love or hate, its recognition and mutual respect for one another, stop dictating to us as if your more Kenyan than others, i am reminding once again being kamba, Kikuyu, luo, Somali or christian and Muslim is not Kenya,:) we can only have the true Kenya with the combination of 43 tribes or more who are christian,Muslim,Hindu and Animist.

the Kenyan country values are based on Judeo christian values, for you information the courts are similar with customary law we have and which is dealing with family issues, i personally don't care what judges have said since i know i am familiar with country judiciary system,:lol:...... that is why ODM did go to the street after the election theft, so its time they reapply their jobs Big Yes:cheers: bill of right:cheers:equitible sharing of resource:cheers: and many more,:cheers:

so no sideshows eyes on the ball, let us not lose focus, time to end impunity :cheers:Uhuru we are watching you, where is the fund for civil Education,:lol:

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Yes, why is Uhuru delaying with the civic education money???

The era of neo-colonialists in Kenya is over.

Mwana. Even if the No vote sails through, we will still have Kadhis courts (via the current constitution). And again, why has this become an issue all of a sudden after a whole 47 years of independence? How many christians have been tried under these courts? In all these years they have been in existence, have they adversely affected you or your family in any way?

Politics has one major determinant called 'interests'. The proponents of both sides all have their own interests in this constitution and if it passes, someone somewhere will have something to lose. Have you considered how much land some churches own (especially the catholic church)? Have you considered that some church leaders might have had a part to play in the PEV episode who might want the status quo to remain? Have you considered that there are some western evangelical groups who are so bent on stoping the spread of "radical" islam that they will gladly use Kenyan pastors as footsoldiers to do their bidding?

My interests are what I care about and that's for a peaceful and prosperous country. I see this as the first step in a very long journey in making a new Kenya.

^^
Yes, why is Uhuru delaying with the civic education money???

The era of neo-colonialists in Kenya is over.

^^Uhuru is among those who are saying yes daytime and no at night :lol::bash: so he is definitely frustrating the process by either delaying fund reimbursement or not even allocating special budget for the process, decision time, its time to free ourselves from the shackles political and economic quagmire and start with new beginning with 2010, or we remain slave forever for the few privileged tribal chiefs who are born with silver spoon in the mouth who continuously pass the torch of leadership to themselves while the rest of our are impoverished.:bash::cry:

i was really shocked an when i read an article in Linus Gitahi's blog, which was indicating Kenya is no longer the giant of the region, we will be overtaken by Tanzania in less than 2 years time, and Uganda with Petrodollars will do anytime, :bash: and remember we have been overtaken Sudan and Ethiopia earlier :lol: i will not be shocked if even Rwanda gives us the dust in few years too :lol: with this kind leadership we will be doomed to fail for sure :bash: FAT YES...:cheers:

Mwana. Even if the No vote sails through, we will still have Kadhis courts (via the current constitution). And again, why has this become an issue all of a sudden after a whole 47 years of independence? How many christians have been tried under these courts? In all these years they have been in existence, have they adversely affected you or your family in any way?

Politics has one major determinant called 'interests'. The proponents of both sides all have their own interests in this constitution and if it passes, someone somewhere will have something to lose. Have you considered how much land some churches own (especially the catholic church)? Have you considered that some church leaders might have had a part to play in the PEV episode who might want the status quo to remain? Have you considered that there are some western evangelical groups who are so bent on stoping the spread of "radical" islam that they will gladly use Kenyan pastors as footsoldiers to do their bidding?

My interests are what I care about and that's for a peaceful and prosperous country. I see this as the first step in a very long journey in making a new Kenya.

^^surely this masterstroke and i agree with you +1000000:righton::cheer::fiddle::master::applause:

Wapende wasipende,katiba tunapitisha.

Wapende wasipende,katiba tunapitisha.

^^hapo umeongea mwanaume, wacha tukane kwa debe :cheers::cheers:

^^boy i was really wrong to overestimate your knowledge and Judgement, the issue is not love or hate, its recognition and mutual respect for one another, stop dictating to us as if your more Kenyan than others, i am reminding once again being kamba, Kikuyu, luo, Somali or christian and Muslim is not Kenya,:) we can only have the true Kenya with the combination of 43 tribes or more who are christian,Muslim,Hindu and Animist.



The entrenchment of one religion over another in a constitution of a Land is illegal and undemocratic.Second,funding of Kadhis courts from public coffers is unjust and discriminatory.To avoid future tussles and colliding interests,religious courts should not be part of the Judiciary.

boy i was really wrong to overestimate your knowledge and Judgement, the issue is not love or hate, its recognition and mutual respect for one another, stop dictating to us as if your more Kenyan than others.

The irony.I am in favour for ONE judiciary for ALL Kenyans.You are the one dictating.

Mwana. Even if the No vote sails through, we will still have Kadhis courts (via the current constitution). And again, why has this become an issue all of a sudden after a whole 47 years of independence? How many christians have been tried under these courts? In all these years they have been in existence, have they adversely affected you or your family in any way?

Politics has one major determinant called 'interests'. The proponents of both sides all have their own interests in this constitution and if it passes, someone somewhere will have something to lose. Have you considered how much land some churches own (especially the catholic church)? Have you considered that some church leaders might have had a part to play in the PEV episode who might want the status quo to remain? Have you considered that there are some western evangelical groups who are so bent on stoping the spread of "radical" islam that they will gladly use Kenyan pastors as footsoldiers to do their bidding?

My interests are what I care about and that's for a peaceful and prosperous country. I see this as the first step in a very long journey in making a new Kenya.

They have been existent in the 10 mile strip alone, it should remain that way.

They have been existent in the 10 mile strip alone, it should remain that way.

Kadhi's courts are not in Coast only.This is one of the popular lies being peddled by Pastors.There are kadhi's courts in Nairobi and most major towns.

Secondly,all your fears of kadhi's courts are unfounded since they have never affect you or any other religion in Kenya for the past 46years.

Thirdly,Muslims also pay taxes!so when you talk of Public,you are assuming Muslims are not part of the public?

Then,going by your argument,Muslims are justified in demanding C.R.E be scrapped from the syllabus since Public tax is being used on text books and paying C.R.E teachers.

Kenya wine agencies is another institution funded by Tax payers,Muslims are against alcohol consumption,therefore their taxes should not be used to fund this institution.

Chaplains,Priests,Pastors in the army,city council,navy and other branches of government funded by tax payers money elevates one religion over the other.

Lastly,the proposed constitution is largely based on Christian values.Sections to do with marriage,bill of rights and divorce read like pages straight from the Bible.

What Christian Fundamentalists have failed to show is how the Kadhis courts affect them.Who is a victim?

All in all,someone who is willing to deny Kenyans a new constitution because of Kadhi's courts is someone who doesn't know why Kenyans wanted a new constitution in the first place.

Kiraitu Murungi,Paul Muite,Raila Odinga,Matiba and people who were teargassed,jailed fighting for a new constitution, know why Kenya needs a new constitution.

We must not loose focus with sideshows.When i see beautiful roads,clean streets,no slums in some well governed countries,i do not think,'gosh if we just removed kadhi's courts,Kenya will be like that.'

Pastors and priests are fanning religious intolerance,i am now convinced beyond reasonable doubt,that Christian fundamentalists are worse than Muslim fundamentalists.

I am a christian myself and i am ashamed at the fanaticism being exhibited.The sad thing is gullible kenyans are buying into all their propaganda.

Nevertheless,Majority of kenyans will pass the draft.And a new dawn of economic prosperity will be within reach.

Kadhi's courts are not in Coast only.This is one of the popular lies being peddled by Pastors.There are kadhi's courts in Nairobi and most major towns.

Secondly,all your fears of kadhi's courts are unfounded since they have never affect you or any other religion in Kenya for the past 46years.

Thirdly,Muslims also pay taxes!so when you talk of Public,you are assuming Muslims are not part of the public?

Then,going by your argument,Muslims are justified in demanding C.R.E be scrapped from the syllabus since Public tax is being used on text books and paying C.R.E teachers.

Kenya wine agencies is another institution funded by Tax payers,Muslims are against alcohol consumption,therefore their taxes should not be used to fund this institution.

Chaplains,Priests,Pastors in the army,city council,navy and other branches of government funded by tax payers money elevates one religion over the other.

Lastly,the proposed constitution is largely based on Christian values.Sections to do with marriage,bill of rights and divorce read like pages straight from the Bible.

What Christian Fundamentalists have failed to show is how the Kadhis courts affect them.Who is a victim?

All in all,someone who is willing to deny Kenyans a new constitution because of Kadhi's courts is someone who doesn't know why Kenyans wanted a new constitution in the first place.

Kiraitu Murungi,Paul Muite,Raila Odinga,Matiba and people who were teargassed,jailed fighting for a new constitution, know why Kenya needs a new constitution.

We must not loose focus with sideshows.When i see beautiful roads,clean streets,no slums in some well governed countries,i do not think,'gosh if we just removed kadhi's courts,Kenya will be like that.'

Pastors and priests are fanning religious intolerance,i am now convinced beyond reasonable doubt,that Christian fundamentalists are worse than Muslim fundamentalists.

I am a christian myself and i am ashamed at the fanaticism being exhibited.The sad thing is gullible kenyans are buying into all their propaganda.

Nevertheless,Majority of kenyans will pass the draft.And a new dawn of economic prosperity will be within reach.

:applause::rock: surely you rock man :cheers:i always believe we will not perish including from the past election because we have men of goodwill who will stand up for justice and here is the evidence :cheers:i did not wanted mention the areas i highlighted because i knew the no crusaders are minority, :cheers:its time the country is taken control by the real patriotic Kenyans (common wananchi) and to put the anti-reformers to their place. :cheers:Yes, yes,yes,yes...............yes :banana:

Now we know that even the west is pro-constitution, It looks like the no team will really need to pray for a miracle.

Now we know that even the west is pro-constitution, It looks like the no team will really need to pray for a miracle.

^^great, kenguy since your on the ground how are things shaping up, and do you thing any chance of the No brigade reaching the tape before us in August :)

^^great, kenguy since your on the ground how are things shaping up, and do you thing any chance of the No brigade reaching the tape before us in August :)

Sorry, im not in Kenya at the moment. Its a tight race IMO but almost everything seems to favour the yes side. The business fraternity, the government machinery, the west, (I hate myself for saying this but also the ethnic arithmetic also lean on the yes side) these factors always drive Kenyan politics. The no side is riding on mainly one thing (Christianity).

Can't wait for August.:)

^^great to hear that, unfortunately the yes brigade is so disorganized for the gain of their selfish political ambitions :bash:

YES!!!! vote YES and save this country from the jaws of to regression

vote YES and give this country a chance to progress and govern itself.

YES!!!! vote YES and save this country from the jaws of to regression

vote YES and give this country a chance to progress and govern itself.

^^with new constitution, imao this country has immense potential :yes:

Kenya enters era of electronic voting

The Standard.
Published on 13/04/2010

Kenya stepped forward into the era of electronic voting after registration under a pilot project to test the system was launched in 18 constituencies simultaneously.

Prime Minister Raila, who kicked off the exercise in his Lang’ata Constituency on Monday, and his wife Ida, were the first Kenyans to register as voters through the new system that saw them complete the exercise in four minutes only.

He said the Electronic Voter Register was a revolution from the outdated manual voter registration that was "susceptible to abuse by partisan electoral officials".

"The launch of e-voter registration which will finally mature to voting through the system is a huge milestone. The country will never experience mediocre conduct of elections as happened in the past that Kenyans were forced to react in protest against partisan electoral officials," Raila said. The Prime Minister spoke in the company of Justice Minister Mutula Kilonzo.

The Interim Independent Electoral Commission IIEC Chairman Ahmed Issack Hassan said his team required Sh4.5 billion to register all voters electronically and appealed for support from the Government. The exercise marks Kenya’s entry into electronic voting, it being the first step.

"We need the money to register all voters electronically and if supported, (we will) conduct the next elections using the electronic system," said Hassan.

The chairman said they were targeting at least 1.5 million new voters in the 18 EVR pilot constituencies.

He said they were targeting about 10 million voters when the nationwide voter registration exercise comes to a close in the next 22 days.

The Justice Minister echoed the PM and the IIEC chairman’s position that it was time elections were conducted electronically to avoid any attempts to rig the outcome of results.

He said it was unfortunate that efforts to abandon manual registers since 1992 had been ignored leading to the post-2007 election violence.

While commending the work of the IIEC, Raila urged the body to remain focused on reforms assuring them of the Government’s support to independently carry out their work.

"We are satisfied with the work of the IIEC. We urge the team headed by Hassan to ignore any attempts by some leaders out to influence their work. They have proved that they are reformists and hope they will carry on with the good work including coming up with relevant reforms," said the PM.

The IIEC Chief Executive Officer, Mr James Oswago explained that under the EVR system, all details of a voter will be recorded at all times and the card used in any election.

"Under the EVR, the Commission will have all records of registered voters. The registration will capture facial, finger prints and other details, which will appear alongside the voter’s name whenever commanded to produce them," said Oswago.

No room for error

He told The Standard that when voting using the new system, immediately a vote is cast through merely pressing a button, the act will be immediately reflected at the constitution elections office and also at the IIEC control tower for immediate compilation and release.

"The system leaves no room for any vote to be counted for any other candidate besides the one preferred by the voter’ said Oswago.

The PM while urging Kenyans to register in large numbers said the new register would empower Kenyans have a say in the kind of leaders they want and the outcome of the forthcoming referendum.

"Whether you will be voting YES or NO, register as a voter such that you will part of the country’s history that you stood on a certain side when the country’s new constitution was being made" urged Raila.

Nairobi PC Njoroge Ndirangu expressed concern that since the exercise started only 300,000 voters have been registered in Nairobi out of the targeted 1.7 million. The PC said he has directed all chiefs and DCs in the region to be more aggressive in urging people to turn up and register.

The pilot electronic registration exercise was also launched in Agriculture Minister William Ruto’s Eldoret North constituency with the minister seizing the occasion to drum up support for his campaign against the Proposed Constitution.

Dujis MP Duale Adan was also among the first voters to be registered under the new system.

He registered at Garissa primary school early on Monday morning.

Duale called on the people of North Eastern province to register in large numbers so they can play a bigger role in politics of the country.

"The people of North Eastern should register as voters if they want to have a government that respects their rights as citizens and values their region," he said

He said the Kadhi courts were under threat from churches and "we should have votes to counter such schemes".

He called on the residents to stop their apathy towards elections.

"Dujis should have voters equivalent to constituencies such as Lang’ata, Mwingi North and Gatundu. During the last election there were 50,000 voters but now, I want 100 per cent registration so that we can have more than 100,000 voters," he said.

Electronic Voter Registration is a system that involves the capture of the biometric features of a person (face recognition and fingerprint), thus uniquely identifying the voter.

What one requires is to personally present himself to registration centre armed with the National Identity Card and the old voters’ card. The registration clerks would then create a database with all your information including your photo.

Once the process is over, an individual would be issued with an electronic card, with the photo of the bearer appearing on the card. The cards are similar to the ones used in Automated Teller Machines (ATM) in Banks.

Electronic voter registration is a precursor to electronic voting, a system that has been used in the US, Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Canada and France amongst others.

Eligible voters

During voting, a database containing voter registration information is downloaded from a central computer to a portable computer that is accessible at a polling station.

The database can be searched by a proctor or official at the polling station to determine whether a prospective voter is eligible to vote at the station.

Though, electronic voting is efficient and almost 100 per cent foolproof, electoral fraud can be committed by highly talented computer experts who can hack into the machines to manipulate them.

^^Uhuru is among those who are saying yes daytime and no at night :lol::bash:

^^
We have a new term for them...'Watermelons!' (green on the outside and red on the inside).

My condolences to anyone affected by the Uhuru park incident.

^^
We have a new term for them...'Watermelons!' (green on the outside and red on the inside).

My condolences to anyone affected by the Uhuru park incident.

Watermelons? They're more like bananas(green on the outside that changes over time,they all hang together and none of them is straight)

The D-Day is almost here and it seems like the Greens are going to have a field day on 4th August. My hope is that after the referendum passes politicians and all involved use should their energies more positively to build the nation.

The D-Day is almost here and it seems like the Greens are going to have a field day on 4th August. My hope is that after the referendum passes politicians and all involved use should their energies more positively to build the nation.

I can't trust politicians in anything let alone nation building. Though I'm hoping this constitution will chart a new path for Kenya. My faith is in the wananchi.

God willing i will be casting my Vote at 4.30PM today.I don't want to wake up early because everyone else will also wake up early.

You all know am going to vote YES>

If i was a kenyan citizen i would vote YES...And i'm crossing my fingers that people learned something from the dec '07 post election violence

The D-Day is almost here and it seems like the Greens are going to have a field day on 4th August. My hope is that after the referendum passes politicians and all involved use should their energies more positively to build the nation.

me too....

If i was a kenyan citizen i would vote YES...And i'm crossing my fingers that people learned something from the dec '07 post election violence

We have our future right before us and the time is now-YES^^

hopefully, everything goes PEACEFULLY!!!!

hopefully, everything goes PEACEFULLY!!!!

Trust me. This time it will.:)

God willing i will be casting my Vote at 4.30PM today.I don't want to wake up early because everyone else will also wake up early.

You all know am going to vote YES>

:)

Congratulations on voting for your new constitution. I don't live in Kenya but won't mind asking a few questions about your new constitution?

1) Under it will there be both a Prime Minister and President like at present? And if so who will have more power?
2) I understand (not too sure on this) under the new constitution Kenya will still be a presidential democracy. What will happen if there is a president and parliament with very different views on an issue?
3) Will the constitution have any new anti-corruption features? Like banning any MP from accepting any bribery payments, having an independent anti-corruption watchdog with the power to sack judges/civil servants etc, make anyone convicted of a corruption offence unable to hold certain posts in the judiciary or civil service?
4) The abortion clause. It talks about a right to life from conception, but allows abortion if in the opinion of a health professional in "emergency situations" or the health of mother or under any written law. It is hard to make out what its meant to mean. A written law legalising abortion would violate the part about right to life from conception thus being unconstitutional, yet it reffers to a written law in the same part of the constitution allowing abortion.
5) Under the new constiution how can it be amended? What sections deal with constiutional amendments.
Thanks in advance for any answers.

Congratulations on voting for your new constitution. I don't live in Kenya but won't mind asking a few questions about your new constitution?

1) Under it will there be both a Prime Minister and President like at present? And if so who will have more power?

It will be a Pure Presidential System like the US model.But the current coalition government will be retained until the next general elections in 2012.

2) I understand (not too sure on this) under the new constitution Kenya will still be a presidential democracy. What will happen if there is a president and parliament with very different views on an issue?

The pure presidential system creates a presidency with checks and balances therefore the president can't really do much if he disagrees with parliament.he can also be impeached by the Senate.


3) Will the constitution have any new anti-corruption features? Like banning any MP from accepting any bribery payments, having an independent anti-corruption watchdog with the power to sack judges/civil servants etc, make anyone convicted of a corruption offence unable to hold certain posts in the judiciary or civil service?

The new constitution entrenches the Kenya Anti corruption committee in the constitution,which is mandated to investigate and prosecute people who engage in corrupt practices.There are also several parliamentary committees which have the power to summon any minister suspected to have committed acts of corruption and recommend prosecution or suspension.


4) The abortion clause. It talks about a right to life from conception, but allows abortion if in the opinion of a health professional in "emergency situations" or the health of mother or under any written law. It is hard to make out what its meant to mean. A written law legalizing abortion would violate the part about right to life from conception thus being unconstitutional, yet it reffers to a written law in the same part of the constitution allowing abortion.

The clause "life begins at conception." was insterted after pressure from religious groups.I do agree that it is contradictory to the rest of the abortion clause and it should not have been added at all.


5) Under the new constiution how can it be amended? What sections deal with constiutional amendments.
Thanks in advance for any answers.

The constitution can be amended under the Constitutional review act which is the act of parliament that spells out how the new consitution will be implemented and how it can be amended.

There are basically 2 ways in which the constitution can be amended

(1) by Parliament

A Bill to amend this Constitution—

(a) may be introduced in either House of Parliament by not less

than two-thirds of all the members of that House. before assenting to the Bill, the President shall request the

Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission to conduct, within

ninety days, a national referendum for approval of the Bill; and

(b) within thirty days after the chairperson of the Independent Electoral

and Boundaries Commission has certified to the President that the Bill

has been approved, the President

shall assent to the Bill and cause it to be published.

(2) by the people and Parliament, An amendment to this Constitution may be proposed by a popular initiative

signed by at least one million registered voters.The promoters of a popular initiative shall deliver the draft Bill and the

supporting signatures to the Independent Electoral and Boundaries

Commission, which shall verify that the initiative is supported by at least

one million registered voters.If the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission is satisfied that

the initiative meets the requirements of this Article, the Commission shall

submit the draft Bill to each county assembly for consideration within three

months after the date it was submitted by the Commission.If a draft Bill has been approved by a majority of the county assemblies, it

shall be introduced in Parliament without delay.

(8) A Bill under this Article is enacted by Parliament if supported by a majority

of the members of each House.

(9) If Parliament enacts the Bill, it shall be submitted to the President for assent

in accordance with Articles 256 (4) and (5).

(10) If either House of Parliament fails to pass the Bill, or the Bill relates to a

matter mentioned in 255 (1), the proposed amendment shall be submitted to

the people in a referendum.




As you can see amending the new constitution is very difficult,this is to discourage MPs are politicians from tampering with the document at will.

http://nimeshinda.com/kenyareferendum2010/index.php?option=com_ccboard&view=postlist&forum=24&topic=24&Itemid=1

Thanks

Leaders of Tomorrow?

I was suspended in school for lobbying the school administration to allow students to vote for their respective captains and prefects.
6 years later I have been vindicated.:lol: :cheers:

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