Japan hasn't been doing well at all. Japan has been stagnating for 20 years. The US is hardly the only English-speaking market. Even as the US declines, the percentage of the world's population that speaks English rises quickly. It's hard to think of any country in the world where English is not spoken more widely than it was 10 or 20 years ago. Even in North Korea, more people are studying English now than ever before.

I am not sure what not doing well means, Japan's demographics with it's declining population growth was going to slow down the economy there. It's per capita GDP is $35k and it industrialized without English, UK with it's English speaking population isn't doing too well either. Anyway only about 10% in India can speak and write in English. Building more cheap low end manufacturing plants will help India pull the farmers out of poverty much faster than focusing on high end service industries.

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/74509/complex-way-change-kalasipalya.html

They should ban automobiles in that stretch and make it a pedestrian only stretch.

They should make footpath with fence like one in brigade road.

I am not sure what not doing well means, Japan's demographics with it's declining population growth was going to slow down the economy there. It's per capita GDP is $35k and it industrialized without English, UK with it's English speaking population isn't doing too well either. Anyway only about 10% in India can speak and write in English. Building more cheap low end manufacturing plants will help India pull the farmers out of poverty much faster than focusing on high end service industries.

Whats the problem with english? You want to start new language instead?? It is used in computer programming like c++ html etc. Instead we should ditch hindi and make two-language policy, 3 languages will be too much waste of brain memory

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/74509/complex-way-change-kalasipalya.html


BDA complexes are old and crumbling :) Now "new! improved!" by adding bus stop and multi-level parking to it...
NOTE:

BDA will build four shopping complexs in the city, while BMTC will construct the Kalasipalya complex.

PROJECTS:

Malleshwaram Complex, Sampige Road:
At a cost of Rs. 76,3 crore, this Complex will be built by BDA in 1.64 acres. The structure will be a multi-utility commercial complex.

Seshadripuram Complex:
To be built by BDA, this project will cover 4096 Sq mtrs at a cost of Rs 41 crore. Amenities include shops and cellar parking.

KR Puram Market Complex:
Spread over 4.27 acres, this complex will cost Rs. 172.86 crore to build for the BDA. The structure will have a multi-storeyed commercial complex and parking.

Kalasipalya Complex:
The 5.27 acre complex will be built by BMTC at an estimated cost of Rs. 222 crore. This will be the biggest of the 12 complexes.

I too am a Kannadiga,but i am well versed with both writing and reading Kannada. Same is the case with all of my friends.

Sudeesh, wanted to make a point here. Your friend(Senior Manager) says that he buys only TOI, it is not true for all of the Kannadigas staying in Bengaluru. My mother tongue is Kannada and we do subscribe to Kannada newspaper and magazines at home along with the English dailies. It is true with almost all of my relatives staying in Bengaluru.

Mrunal, what I said is not from my imaginations nor assumptions. It was based on what I have been seeing here in Bangalore, on a comparative scale.

I didn’t say that Kannadigas in Bangalore do not read Kannada news papers at all. The point here is the comparative proportion of readers. I agree that there are people like you who reads religiously the vernacular dailies. And I think Akash didn’t intend to say that he doesn’t know how to read and write Kannada. What he meant is the usage of Kannada would be limited when compared with English.

I just did a quick round of survey in my organization. Please note that mine is not an MNC/IT/ITES/R&D organization, but a ‘brick and mortar’ one which deals mainly with general public.

I asked eight (8) Bangalore born and brought up Kannadigas. 5 were ladies and 3 gents. Only one lady said they buy ‘Vijay Karnataka’ at home, but it is mainly read by ‘inlaws’. The important thing to note that she was the only ‘non professional/executive’ in the sample. (She is a secretary). Most professionals were reading only TOI.

Another thing is there were three Muslims in the sample, (Unlike Muslims in Kerala or TN, I think generally Muslims in Bangalore speak URDU at home/between themselves. That’s what I have been told by these three people. They converse with other Kannadigas in Kannada only).

The answer given by one lady architect when I asked ‘which Kannada daily you read?’ was that ‘we don’t get Kannada dailies at home’.

I checked the AIR (Average Issue Readership) of Vijay Karnataka and Praja Vani, the leading news dailies in Kannada, in Bangalore. It is 703,000 & 490,000 respectively, which are not great figures for a 7-8 million city like Bangalore.

On a comparo note, Malayala Manorama is having a readership of 4.3 lakhs and Mathrubhumi with 3.95 lakhs in Trivandrum, which has a population of around 1 million only.

Cosmopolitanism is the major reason for this. I have noticed that the kids ( below 10 age group) while playing in my apartment complex would mostly be using English for conversation. In a similar segment society in Trivandrum, you will hear only Malayalam. The kids we meet in our corridors speak to us in English. My wife used to say, it is better to stay in Bangalore and raise our kid/kids here(rather than going back to Trivandrum) since they will get more command of English.

Whats the problem with english? You want to start new language instead?? It is used in computer programming like c++ html etc. Instead we should ditch hindi and make two-language policy, 3 languages will be too much waste of brain memory

I'd go oppsite.
Ditch the state language, and take up Hindi instead.

Mrunal, what I said is not from my imaginations nor assumptions. It was based on what I have been seeing here in Bangalore, on a comparative scale.

I didn’t say that Kannadigas in Bangalore do not read Kannada news papers at all. The point here is the comparative proportion of readers. I agree that there are people like you who reads religiously the vernacular dailies. And I think Akash didn’t intend to say that he doesn’t know how to read and write Kannada. What he meant is the usage of Kannada would be limited when compared with English.

I just did a quick round of survey in my organization. Please note that mine is not an MNC/IT/ITES/R&D organization, but a ‘brick and mortar’ one which deals mainly with general public.

I asked eight (8) Bangalore born and brought up Kannadigas. 5 were ladies and 3 gents. Only one lady said they buy ‘Vijay Karnataka’ at home, but it is mainly read by ‘inlaws’. The important thing to note that she was the only ‘non professional/executive’ in the sample. (She is a secretary). Most professionals were reading only TOI.

Another thing is there were three Muslims in the sample, (Unlike Muslims in Kerala or TN, I think generally Muslims in Bangalore speak URDU at home/between themselves. That’s what I have been told by these three people. They converse with other Kannadigas in Kannada only).

The answer given by one lady architect when I asked ‘which Kannada daily you read?’ was that ‘we don’t get Kannada dailies at home’.

I checked the AIR (Average Issue Readership) of Vijay Karnataka and Praja Vani, the leading news dailies in Kannada, in Bangalore. It is 703,000 & 490,000 respectively, which are not great figures for a 7-8 million city like Bangalore.

On a comparo note, Malayala Manorama is having a readership of 4.3 lakhs and Mathrubhumi with 3.95 lakhs in Trivandrum, which has a population of around 1 million only.

Cosmopolitanism is the major reason for this. I have noticed that the kids ( below 10 age group) while playing in my apartment complex would mostly be using English for conversation. In a similar segment society in Trivandrum, you will hear only Malayalam. The kids we meet in our corridors speak to us in English. My wife used to say, it is better to stay in Bangalore and raise our kid/kids here(rather than going back to Trivandrum) since they will get more command of English.

Sudheesh, you are absolutely right. When you are at Hometown, you tend to take the things, including your language, for granted. We realise the importance of the motherland and mother tongue when we are outside.

I lived in Gurgaon and I know how much we used to look forward to meet and talk with a fellow Kannadiga. Now I work at Kuwait. We have a big community of Kannadigas here and each one of them is very eager to have news about Karnataka, teach Kannada to kids, etc. etc. Infact, we at Kuwait Kannada Koota have started weekend classes for kids called Chiguruballi to teach Kannada and I must say the response has been excellent. Similarly, we pay heavily (4 to 5 times minimum) to get yeserday's newspaper to read today :). As they say in Kannada "Hittala Gida Maddalla" (the plant in the our own garden is not a mdeicine), people living in their hometown tend to take things casually and those outside realise the importance. I am sure it is the same with not only Kannadigas but also everybody else in India.

I'd go oppsite.
Ditch the state language, and take up Hindi instead.
In your dreams. Hindi people tried hard and gave up :lol:

Good news: 2am deadline gets closer in Bangalore
Srikanth Hunasavadi / DNA Wednesday, June 9, 2010 9:42 IST
http://www.dnaindia.com/bangalore/report_good-news-2am-deadline-gets-closer-in-bangalore_1393823
The state government is finalising the extension of the deadline by two hours from the present midnight cut-off for star hotels and clubs in the city.
This means star hotels and clubs will remain open till 2am once the decision is finalised, excise minister MP Renukacharya said on Tuesday.
The excise ministry has already given an in-principle nod for the extension of the deadline and is now awaiting the completion of formalities before the extension becomes a reality.
Renukacharya said that the excise ministry has given its in-principle approval. “But we are conveying this to the home department and tourism department officials in the next few days and we will discuss the pros and cons of extending the night life in the city. After that, the issue will be discussed with the chief minister before taking a final call.”
He said the decision is being finalised following pressure from the star hotels in the city who were not happy with the midnight deadline. Besides, the restriction was posing inconveniences to the thousands of employees working in call centres and IT firms, who finish work late in the night and struggle for a quick bite or drink. However, the extension will not apply to the thousands of wine stores and bar andrestaurants in Bangalore. The city police have enforced shutting these down by 11.30pm, in some sensitive areas even by 11pm.
Bangalore’s nightlife deadline was restricted to 11.30pm in 2008 by the police with an eye on curtailing night-time crime in the city with a short-staffed law and order force.
It was subsequently extended by 30 minutes to remain open till midnight.
:banana: :cheers: Licenses CL4 and CL7 will be extended to 2 am that is nightclubs and 5-star, while Licenses of small bars and wineshops (CL2 and CL9) will remain 11.30pm.
Bangalore will be truly global city :dance:

(had posted in wrong thread)

Sudheesh, you are absolutely right. When you are at Hometown, you tend to take the things, including your language, for granted. We realise the importance of the motherland and mother tongue when we are outside.

I lived in Gurgaon and I know how much we used to look forward to meet and talk with a fellow Kannadiga. Now I work at Kuwait. We have a big community of Kannadigas here and each one of them is very eager to have news about Karnataka, teach Kannada to kids, etc. etc. Infact, we at Kuwait Kannada Koota have started weekend classes for kids called Chiguruballi to teach Kannada and I must say the response has been excellent. Similarly, we pay heavily (4 to 5 times minimum) to get yeserday's newspaper to read today :). As they say in Kannada "Hittala Gida Maddalla" (the plant in the our own garden is not a mdeicine), people living in their hometown tend to take things casually and those outside realise the importance. I am sure it is the same with not only Kannadigas but also everybody else in India.

True.. You start loving your language when you are away from your home state. While in Kerala, I used to see mainly Hindi films and listen to Hindi songs. I was not much enthused in seeing the beaches or hills or backwaters which were just 30 minutes drive from my place.

After coming to Bangalore, I have started seeing more of Malayalam channels, Malayalam periodicals etc. And I started getting goose bumps whenever some shots of houseboats or backwaters are shown in TV. Also I started yearning to drink ‘Toddy’.

I am aware about ‘Kannada Koota’. I think some of my colleagues where in touch with similar ‘koota’, I am not sure whether it was in Kuwait or some other gulf country.

Regarding newspapers, Malayalees are lucky to have separate editions in major cities of India as well as abroad. I get Bangalore edition here and we have one edition for also all major district in Kerala.

One more thing which occurred to me now. I am now with one of the major real estate developer in Bangalore, before that I was with the largest developer in Kerala. While in Kerala, ‘Malayala Manorama’ was the daily which used to get the maximum advts from us, ‘Hindu’ used to come third after Mathrubhumi. Also the advt rates are also much higher in vernacular dailies. In the office reception, there would be vernacular dailies along with the English and business ones.

Here in Bangalore, generally no advts are given to the vernacular dailies from my organization. Media plan means targeting only the English and business publications. Also no Kannada dailies are subscribed too.

CHEERS:cheers:

Good news: 2am deadline gets closer in Bangalore
Srikanth Hunasavadi / DNA Wednesday, June 9, 2010 9:42 IST
http://www.dnaindia.com/bangalore/report_good-news-2am-deadline-gets-closer-in-bangalore_1393823
:banana: :cheers: Licenses CL4 and CL7 will be extended to 2 am that is nightclubs and 5-star, while Licenses of small bars and wineshops (CL2 and CL9) will remain 11.30pm.
Bangalore will be truly global city :dance:

(had posted in wrong thread)

In your dreams. Hindi people tried hard and gave up :lol:

I don't care frankly.
I was forced to learn Tamil [I am Tamilian, but I didn't want to learn] when I was in Madras, Marathi in Bombay, and Kannada in Bangalore.
I chose to study Hindi, because I know, come what may, its a language thats univerally accepted in the country, and I can get around any part of the country with that language...

its a language thats univerally accepted in the country, and I can get around any part of the country with that language...
True

BSY drove his car himself ??:lol:
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/1046/bsyv.jpg

^^ power steering these days is like feathertouch :)

I don't care frankly.
I was forced to learn Tamil [I am Tamilian, but I didn't want to learn] when I was in Madras, Marathi in Bombay, and Kannada in Bangalore.
I chose to study Hindi, because I know, come what may, its a language thats univerally accepted in the country, and I can get around any part of the country with that language...

Nobody should force a lang. So, forcing hindi on any indian should stop. Once this migration slows, local langs will prevail. Bangalore developed because more english than hindi here :)

He isn't driving that car, it was actually was bought for the GIM 2010, I don't think this guy can drive a car.

He isn't driving that car, it was actually was bought for the GIM 2010, I don't think this guy can drive a car.

Hahahha cool :lol:

lol

I chose to study Hindi, because I know, come what may, its a language thats univerally accepted in the country, and I can get around any part of the country with that language...

I chose to study English, because I know, come what may, it's a language that's universally accepted in the country and everywhere else on the planet, and I can get around any part of the country and any part of the world with this language. :yes:

FKCA presents Mangalore Maza 2010 (http://www.mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcast&broadcastid=183329)

Wondering who borrowed pen from whom???
:lol:

http://mangalorean.com/images/newstemp25/20100606mallya-2.JPG

Now see where the pen is..........

http://mangalorean.com/images/newstemp25/20100606mallya.JPG

Kumarswamy and his party knows only to borrow >>>>>>:lol:

^ these two works of art, nice examples for the country, one is a pterodactyl let out it's cage and the other one is on high all the time.

^^ power steering these days is like feathertouch :)



Nobody should force a lang. So, forcing hindi on any indian should stop. Once this migration slows, local langs will prevail. Bangalore developed because more english than hindi here :)

Nobody forced Hindi on me. I learnt it of free will.
I have never forced anyone to learn anything.
I get mighty pissed because most of my family is scattred and living in various corners, we were forced to learn state languages by so called sons of soil.
THAT PISSES ME OFF.
And since, I am a Tamilian and ALMOST all Tamilians hate Hindi, I find it a reason to like Hindi and dislike Tamil.

^^ Guys find some other chat room or PM each other. :)

Hopefully Vijay Mallyas proposed factory in a Nanjagud will improve, roads..

Hopefully Vijay Mallyas proposed factory in a Nanjagud will improve, roads..

Yep :)....NHAI is taking up four laning of road between chamarajnagar/NANJANGUD ?? and Mysore.
Mysore -Nanjangud NH 212


Centre to develop NH-212 B-N road on PPP mode in Mysore

Mysore, May 16 : The Centre has agreed to develop NH-212 B-N road on Public-Private Partnership (PPP) mode at a cost of Rs 443.87 crore, said Chamarajanagara MP R Dhruvanarayna.

Speaking to mediapersons here, he said apart from granting permission for development of NH-212, the Centre has also approved collection of toll-fee on the road.

Following the permission granted, measures will be taken for developing the Bandipur-Gundlupet, Nanjangud-Mysore-T Narasipur NH-212 upto Uttamballi junction in Kollegal taluk. The road development works will commence later this year, he explained.

Further continuing, Dhruvanarayan said 151 km of the road passed through Karnataka State and as many as 25,000 vehicles were estimated to travel on this road daily.

A memorandum was submitted to the Union Government in this regard and the Union Government acting on the memorandum had now granted permission for taking up road developmental works, including construction of 2 new bridges at a cost of Rs 443.87 crore, he said.

The other salient features of the works to be undertaken included conversion of 18.80 km stretch of the road passing through Bandipur forests into a 2-lane road by widening 7 mts, conversion of 26.50 km Mysore-Nanjangud road into a 4-lane road by widening 15 mts and conversion of 24.60 kms Mysore- T Narasipur road into a 2-lane road by widening 10 mts.

The 2 new bridges will be built across Kabini river in T Narasipur and Nanjangud towns, alongside the existing ones, which were part of the highway. Also Rs 30 crore of the approved cost will be spent mainly on acquisition of additional land and felling of trees for road widening, he added.

Meanwhile, Gundlupet MLA and former minister H S Mahadevaprasad, who also addressed the meet, disclosed that the State Government which had earlier proposed to commence mining activities in Bolegowdanakatte region of the district, had now dropped its plans.

With this, the people residing in Bolegowdanadanakatte region can now come out from their state of confusion, he added.
SOURCE (http://www.newkerala.com/news/fullnews-108689.html)

STATUS OF FOUR-LANING MYSORE-N'GUD ROAD

Sir,

With reference to the news item, 'Mysore-N'gud four-lane Road: National Highway Authority Refuses' (SOM dated April 21), I have checked with the officials to ascertain the actual status regarding four-laning and the facts are as follows:

• NH 212 passing through Nanjangud up to State border with Kerala, a length of 150 km is to be developed as a four-lane road.

• A Special Cell set up by the Government of Karnataka handles this project among many others.

• Feasibility study including Detailed Project Reports (DPR) are already with the Cell for technical evaluation.

• Once the evaluation is completed, firms will be asked to indicate their financial bids for the project.

• After a decision is taken the firm chosen for work will enter into contract agreement to start the work.

• This project is taken under Public-Private-Participation and will be executed under Build-Operate-Transfer (BOT) scheme and the contractor would invest his financial resources.

• The contractor will get his investment back over a period of time through levying toll for which certain guidelines exist in the Ministry. Normally, there will be a toll structure every 50 km. Ministry of Transport will act as a facilitator.

Hope, the above details will put the issue in proper perspective and remove any doubts that National Highway Authority of India (NHAI) is refusing four-laning the road.

— H.R. Bapu Satyanarayana, Convener, MGP

Mysore

24.4.2010

Bacardi Martini is already brewing in Nanjangud,Mysore......Now UB group will also start brewing............:banana:
:drunk: though I don't drink

PricewaterhouseCoopers ( PwC) and the Confederation of Indian Industry (CII) today released a report titled Karnataka* – Aerospace Hub of India. The report highlights Karnataka as a very attractive destination for the industry due to a number of reasons- the existing supply chain developed by old-economy aerospace and engineering firms, an investor friendly government with simplified procedures, and fast-track business approvals through single window clearance mechanism and a collective commitment to make the state the Aerospace hub of India. The report also notes that the global recession and significant margin pressures will continue to force global OEM and Tier-1 suppliers to undertake major restructuring and cost cutting exercises. Emerging economies like India, which provide significant cost benefits are being increasingly considered as an outsourcing destination for manufacturing. The defence offset policy and its inherent strengths position Karnataka as an attractive investment destination for the aerospace industry.

The report is based primarily on interviews with industry participants, secondary research and internal insights. It however, points out that as in the rest of the country; infrastructure is a key challenge in Karnataka. While infrastructure facilities have improved there is a need to do more and develop more robust infrastructure.


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Dhiraj Mathur, India Leader for Aerospace & Defence practice, PricewaterhouseCoopers commented:

“We are delighted to have partnered with the State Government and CII for this report on emergence of Karnataka as an aerospace hub. We visualise a growing trend in establishment of customer support centers for stocking spare parts, avionics repair workshops, logistic centers to optimise supply chain management, training centers for training of technicians, engineers, managers and innovation centers for engineering in Karnataka.

Offsets provide an added incentive to global aerospace majors and their suppliers who are already seeing benefits in establishing a strong presence in India. The effective implementation of the offset policy coupled with an attractive FDI policy can tremendously speed up the pace of indigenisation.”

The report also brings to fore the fact that ever since Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) was established in Bangalore in 1940, Karnataka has come to be regarded as a pioneer in the aerospace industry.

On the reasons why Karnataka was the perfect destination, Aroon Raman, Chairman, CII Karnataka, added:

“The State is well-positioned as an aerospace destination due to the activities of numerous aerospace companies and PSUs engaged in manufacturing, design and development, and Maintenance, Repair and Overhaul (MRO). In addition, several educational, scientific and technical educational institutions are fostering domain expertise in IT, engineering and design skills that can be leveraged by aerospace majors.”

Selected advantages that Karnataka offers as a hub for aerospace activities include:-

* Presence of scientific and technical institutes: The presence of institutions like the Indian Institute of Science and Indian Institute of Management, enable the development of well-qualified technical experts who can be absorbed into aerospace majors’ operations.
* Deep aerospace expertise: Major aerospace organisations are located around Bangalore, including HAL, National Aerospace Laboratories (NAL), QuEST Global, Taneja Aerospace and Aviation Ltd, Dynamatic Aerospace, Air Works India Engineering Pvt. Ltd., The Society of Indian Aerospace Industries and Technologies, etc. Thus an existing supply chain ecosystem has been developed by these organisations.
* IT expertise and skill sets: Since independence in 1947, Bangalore has developed into one of India's major economic hubs and is today known as the Silicon Valley of India. Karnataka boasts the presence of major IT companies such as HCL, Infosys, Tata Consultancy Services, Wipro, QuEST among others. Karnataka-based professionals have developed deep IT domain experience. Bangalore is the world’s fourth-largest technology cluster.
* Manufacturing Expertise: Bangalore is a leader in heavy manufacturing due to the presence of PSUs, software companies, aerospace companies, telecommunications companies, machine tools manufacturers, heavy equipment manufacturers, defence establishments, etc. Bangalore serves as headquarters to several public manufacturing heavy industries such as HAL, NAL, Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited (BHEL), Bharat Electronics Limited, Bharat Earth Movers Limited (BEML) and Hindustan Machine Tools (HMT).
* Proximity to vendor base: There are approximately 2,000 small and medium enterprises focused on component manufacturing, tooling and testing equipment, and assembling. These companies meet the demand of HAL, NAL and ISRO in addition to global aerospace firms.
* Government support: The State Government is investor-friendly and has simplified procedures and fast tracked approvals through Single Window Mechanism and the State High Level Clearance Committee (for investments greater than INR 50 crore) with the objective of faster clearance of proposals. Further, the State has been making efforts to ensure that the infrastructure requirements of the industry are met and has proposed to set up an aerospace SEZ, near Bangalore International Airport at Devanahalli, where 1000 acres are to be devoted to expansion of aerospace activity, particularly MRO outsourcing. QuEST Global has already oriented its SEZ for Precision Engineering to become India’s first aerospace SEZ in Belgaum in November 2009. The State Government is also promoting setting up of an aerospace university in partnership with industry

Other key findings of the report are as follows:

* Domestic aircraft demnd, cost arbitrage and India’s Offset policy, are compelling aerospace majors to consider setting up subsidiaries, enter into joint ventures or outsource design, components, sub-systems, accessories to the Indian aviation industry.
* India received the largest number of R&D and engineering design investments of which a major portion was awarded to Karnataka.
* The Government of Karnataka has formulated a State Policy for Special Economic Zones as per Central SEZ Act 2005 & Rules 2006, with a view to provide a hassle free environment for export production and to attract FDI.
* The existing supply chain developed by the DPSUs, a high concentration of mature IT and engineering services firms, an investor friendly government with simplified procedures, combine to make Karnataka a very attractive investment destination for the aerospace industry.

http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/karnataka-is-an-attractive-investment-destination-foraerospace-industry/396918/

following this forum from a long time ...
never posted.. posting for first time :)
way to go BANGALORE( BANGY) n KARNATAKA

Karnataka is an attractive investment destination for the aerospace industry
PricewaterhouseCoopers ( PwC) and the Confederation of Indian Industry (CII) today released a report titled Karnataka* – Aerospace Hub of India. The report highlights Karnataka as a very attractive destination for the industry due to a number of reasons- the existing supply chain developed by old-economy aerospace and engineering firms, an investor friendly government with simplified procedures, and fast-track business approvals through single window clearance mechanism and a collective commitment to make the state the Aerospace hub of India. The report also notes that the global recession and significant margin pressures will continue to force global OEM and Tier-1 suppliers to undertake major restructuring and cost cutting exercises. Emerging economies like India, which provide significant cost benefits are being increasingly considered as an outsourcing destination for manufacturing. The defence offset policy and its inherent strengths position Karnataka as an attractive investment destination for the aerospace industry.

The report is based primarily on interviews with industry participants, secondary research and internal insights. It however, points out that as in the rest of the country; infrastructure is a key challenge in Karnataka. While infrastructure facilities have improved there is a need to do more and develop more robust infrastructure.

“We are delighted to have partnered with the State Government and CII for this report on emergence of Karnataka as an aerospace hub. We visualise a growing trend in establishment of customer support centers for stocking spare parts, avionics repair workshops, logistic centers to optimise supply chain management, training centers for training of technicians, engineers, managers and innovation centers for engineering in Karnataka.

Offsets provide an added incentive to global aerospace majors and their suppliers who are already seeing benefits in establishing a strong presence in India. The effective implementation of the offset policy coupled with an attractive FDI policy can tremendously speed up the pace of indigenisation.”

The report also brings to fore the fact that ever since Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) was established in Bangalore in 1940, Karnataka has come to be regarded as a pioneer in the aerospace industry.

On the reasons why Karnataka was the perfect destination, Aroon Raman, Chairman, CII Karnataka, added:

“The State is well-positioned as an aerospace destination due to the activities of numerous aerospace companies and PSUs engaged in manufacturing, design and development, and Maintenance, Repair and Overhaul (MRO). In addition, several educational, scientific and technical educational institutions are fostering domain expertise in IT, engineering and design skills that can be leveraged by aerospace majors.”

Selected advantages that Karnataka offers as a hub for aerospace activities include:-

* Presence of scientific and technical institutes: The presence of institutions like the Indian Institute of Science and Indian Institute of Management, enable the development of well-qualified technical experts who can be absorbed into aerospace majors’ operations.
* Deep aerospace expertise: Major aerospace organisations are located around Bangalore, including HAL, National Aerospace Laboratories (NAL), QuEST Global, Taneja Aerospace and Aviation Ltd, Dynamatic Aerospace, Air Works India Engineering Pvt. Ltd., The Society of Indian Aerospace Industries and Technologies, etc. Thus an existing supply chain ecosystem has been developed by these organisations.
* IT expertise and skill sets: Since independence in 1947, Bangalore has developed into one of India's major economic hubs and is today known as the Silicon Valley of India. Karnataka boasts the presence of major IT companies such as HCL, Infosys, Tata Consultancy Services, Wipro, QuEST among others. Karnataka-based professionals have developed deep IT domain experience. Bangalore is the world’s fourth-largest technology cluster.
* Manufacturing Expertise: Bangalore is a leader in heavy manufacturing due to the presence of PSUs, software companies, aerospace companies, telecommunications companies, machine tools manufacturers, heavy equipment manufacturers, defence establishments, etc. Bangalore serves as headquarters to several public manufacturing heavy industries such as HAL, NAL, Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited (BHEL), Bharat Electronics Limited, Bharat Earth Movers Limited (BEML) and Hindustan Machine Tools (HMT).
* Proximity to vendor base: There are approximately 2,000 small and medium enterprises focused on component manufacturing, tooling and testing equipment, and assembling. These companies meet the demand of HAL, NAL and ISRO in addition to global aerospace firms.
* Government support: The State Government is investor-friendly and has simplified procedures and fast tracked approvals through Single Window Mechanism and the State High Level Clearance Committee (for investments greater than INR 50 crore) with the objective of faster clearance of proposals. Further, the State has been making efforts to ensure that the infrastructure requirements of the industry are met and has proposed to set up an aerospace SEZ, near Bangalore International Airport at Devanahalli, where 1000 acres are to be devoted to expansion of aerospace activity, particularly MRO outsourcing. QuEST Global has already oriented its SEZ for Precision Engineering to become India’s first aerospace SEZ in Belgaum in November 2009. The State Government is also promoting setting up of an aerospace university in partnership with industry

Other key findings of the report are as follows:

* Domestic aircraft demand, cost arbitrage and India’s Offset policy, are compelling aerospace majors to consider setting up subsidiaries, enter into joint ventures or outsource design, components, sub-systems, accessories to the Indian aviation industry.
* India received the largest number of R&D and engineering design investments of which a major portion was awarded to Karnataka.
* The Government of Karnataka has formulated a State Policy for Special Economic Zones as per Central SEZ Act 2005 & Rules 2006, with a view to provide a hassle free environment for export production and to attract FDI.
* The existing supply chain developed by the DPSUs, a high concentration of mature IT and engineering services firms, an investor friendly government with simplified procedures, combine to make Karnataka a very attractive investment destination for the aerospace industry.


Business-Standard (http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/karnataka-is-an-attractive-investment-destination-foraerospace-industry/396918/)
^^Mahirocks welcome to SSCI,please follow the above format for posting news article.

I just want KDRCL and NHAI to make the Mysore-nanjangud-Chamrajnagar SH motorable, since thats the road we use to go from bangalore to Sathy...

Yep :)....NHAI is taking up four laning of road between chamarajnagar/NANJANGUD ?? and Mysore.
Mysore -Nanjangud NH 212


Centre to develop NH-212 B-N road on PPP mode in Mysore


SOURCE (http://www.newkerala.com/news/fullnews-108689.html)

STATUS OF FOUR-LANING MYSORE-N'GUD ROAD

Sir,

With reference to the news item, 'Mysore-N'gud four-lane Road: National Highway Authority Refuses' (SOM dated April 21), I have checked with the officials to ascertain the actual status regarding four-laning and the facts are as follows:

• NH 212 passing through Nanjangud up to State border with Kerala, a length of 150 km is to be developed as a four-lane road.

• A Special Cell set up by the Government of Karnataka handles this project among many others.

• Feasibility study including Detailed Project Reports (DPR) are already with the Cell for technical evaluation.

• Once the evaluation is completed, firms will be asked to indicate their financial bids for the project.

• After a decision is taken the firm chosen for work will enter into contract agreement to start the work.

• This project is taken under Public-Private-Participation and will be executed under Build-Operate-Transfer (BOT) scheme and the contractor would invest his financial resources.

• The contractor will get his investment back over a period of time through levying toll for which certain guidelines exist in the Ministry. Normally, there will be a toll structure every 50 km. Ministry of Transport will act as a facilitator.

Hope, the above details will put the issue in proper perspective and remove any doubts that National Highway Authority of India (NHAI) is refusing four-laning the road.

— H.R. Bapu Satyanarayana, Convener, MGP

Mysore

24.4.2010
Look who is derailing thread.. :lol:

Look who is derailing thread.. :lol:

:?

This kid's pastime made him a math whiz

Seema R & Sandhya KS / DNA
Friday, May 14, 2010 8:40 IST


Bangalore: Ask him to add two-digit numbers, and he’ll shoot off answers in less than five seconds. Just 10 seconds, and he’ll add or subtract or multiply three-digit numbers. It’s a skill most adults don’t master, but 10-year-old Anil R Kashyap gets his kicks from mental arithmetic. Now, he’s all set to showcase his talent in China, where he is likely to participate in an international abacus tournament on June 6.

Anil started learning to use abacus to help with arithmetic when he was only six. He has now gone through eight levels of training in the skill, and is recognised as a grandmaster. A student of the fifth grade at the Swaga Rani School, Anil dreams of growing up to work as a paediatrician.

Anil enrolled for lessons in abacus at the Aloha School, and he won the Aloha International Arithmetic Competition, in Malaysia in May 2008. He is also the winner of national-level the abacus competition held in Chennai in December 2007.

Is there someone that Anil looks up to as a role model? “Tejas M,” he says, “He has already entered the Limca Book of World Records.” So what makes arithmetic so easy? “I practise, and I train before competitions. I usually practise for about half an hour each day, but before a competition it could extend to an hour-and-a-half,” says the boy in a matter-of-fact tone.

“I used to work, but I quit my job to be with my son and guide him,” says BV Shrimathi, Anil’s mother. “I would recommend that all schools introduce abacus in the curriculum at the primary level. It makes an enormous difference to the speed at which children can calculate,” she says.

Ramesh Kashyap, Anil’s father, says, “I did not want my child to waste his time at home during the summer holidays, so I got him admitted to the Aloha school when he was in the first grade.” What was meant to be good use of time has served as a great boost to the child’s maths skills.

Anil’s parents now need to raise nearly Rs1.8lakh for the trip to China, and find themselves hard-pressed. They had sent the boy to Malaysia on their own steam.Chief minister BS Yeddyurappa has assured the couple of all help possible from the state government.

DNA (http://www.dnaindia.com/bangalore/report_this-kid-s-pastime-made-him-a-math-whiz_1382881)

ANIL KASHYAP IS A WORLD CHAMP

Ashok Kheny adopts two tigers at Bannerghtta National park :cheers:

:?

Me too... :?

^^ Guys find some other chat room or PM each other. :)

Yep :)....NHAI is taking up four laning of road between chamarajnagar/NANJANGUD ?? and Mysore.
Mysore -Nanjangud NH 212


Centre to develop NH-212 B-N road on PPP mode in Mysore


SOURCE (http://www.newkerala.com/news/fullnews-108689.html)

STATUS OF FOUR-LANING MYSORE-N'GUD ROAD

Sir,

With reference to the news item, 'Mysore-N'gud four-lane Road: National Highway Authority Refuses' (SOM dated April 21), I have checked with the officials to ascertain the actual status regarding four-laning and the facts are as follows:

• NH 212 passing through Nanjangud up to State border with Kerala, a length of 150 km is to be developed as a four-lane road.

• A Special Cell set up by the Government of Karnataka handles this project among many others.

• Feasibility study including Detailed Project Reports (DPR) are already with the Cell for technical evaluation.

• Once the evaluation is completed, firms will be asked to indicate their financial bids for the project.

• After a decision is taken the firm chosen for work will enter into contract agreement to start the work.

• This project is taken under Public-Private-Participation and will be executed under Build-Operate-Transfer (BOT) scheme and the contractor would invest his financial resources.

• The contractor will get his investment back over a period of time through levying toll for which certain guidelines exist in the Ministry. Normally, there will be a toll structure every 50 km. Ministry of Transport will act as a facilitator.

Hope, the above details will put the issue in proper perspective and remove any doubts that National Highway Authority of India (NHAI) is refusing four-laning the road.

— H.R. Bapu Satyanarayana, Convener, MGP

Mysore

24.4.2010

:ohno: How nanjangud comes in "bagnalore discussion" thread? Bangalore language comes in "bangalore discussion". We should some other chat room or PM each other but for nanjangud highway finds place in this thread :ohno:

:ohno: How nanjangud comes in "bagnalore discussion" thread? Bangalore language comes in "bangalore discussion". We should some other chat room or PM each other but for nanjangud highway finds place in this thread :ohno:

I agree with gentem. In my opinion, the effect of language choices on the development of Bangalore is an appropriate topic for this forum, but the Nanjangud highway is not.

To the extent we speak English, Bangalore develops faster. To the extent that we speak local languages like Hindi, Bangalore remains mired in poverty. If we don't speak English with our children at home, from day one, then we will soon lose the biggest competitive advantage India has vis-a-vis China: English. For more than ten years already, every chinese child learns English in school. If current policies remain in place, companies will do business with China rather than India because they will speak better English.

The rest of the world will not learn Hindi, Kannada or Tamil. The number of non-chinese people outside China who are studying Chinese is higher than it used to be, but still less than 1% of the number studying English. Outside India, virtually no one studies Hindi or any other local language. Even international languages other than English are stagnating. French has lost its claim to be a global language. Chinese, Arabic and Spanish are not making progress. Russian is fast declining from 300 million speakers to fewer than 200 million. The whole world is learning English. I once thought France or China or Russia would be the last place on earth where people cannot speak English. Now I'm beginning to think it may be India.

Children will naturally be able to pick up local languages on the street. It's great for them to be bilingual or trilingual and able to speak with their grandparents. However, a scholarly knowledge of local languages is not helpful to development. English should be the first language of every Indian child because English facilitates international trade, creates jobs, and results in development.

Imaginary homeland

Arun Katiyar

Monday, June 14, 2010

9:34 IST Email

Even until just 10 years ago, Bangalore was a serene, quiet city. The only foreigners you saw were the ones on Brigade Road and MG Road.

Most would be on their way to Mysore to take in the palace or swing by the Cauvery for some classic mahaseer (trout) fishing. Mahaseer fishing was a major draw and Jungle Lodges and Resorts was even featured in Sports Illustrated as the place to offer some of the world’s best game fish.

It was just about the time when acronyms like TI, IBM and HP were overshadowing ones like HMT, ITI and HAL. The morning cry of the vegetable vendor on our streets of ‘sopppppooo!’ would slowly vanish to be replaced by posters screaming computer classes. Today, there are people from diverse nationalities — Ethiopians,

Germans, Irish, Hungarians, Brits, Nigerians, Americans, Danes, Malaysians, Canadians, Belgians, Israelis, Russians, French — who live here and have become part of the Bangalore culture. To them, Bangalore is one of the best Indian cities to live in.

Back in the 1980s and well into the 1990s, diplomats in Delhi gave the capital an exalted aura. But diplomats lead sheltered lives. Their tuna paste and cheese would arrive through the embassy.

But for most other foreigners, Bangalore has quickly become one of the best places to live: the weather is great, it’s a small city that is easy to get around and has a delightfully relaxed atmosphere.

The Mercer Worldwide Quality of Living Survey for 2010 confirms this. It says that Bangalore is the top choice of foreigners in India when it comes to quality of life. What exactly is quality of life and what is the effect it has on people?

Quality of life is pegged on simple factors such as low crime rates, the standards for health, transport infrastructure, availability of consumer goods, rentals, schooling and recreation opportunities.

Quality of life is enhanced by the political stability and socio-economic conditions of the geography. And finally, it’s a question of the weather, the distance between you and natural disasters and the lines drawn by state and society that define personal freedom.

It’s become so that the expat population is now a critical component of Bangalore’s workforce. You can’t imagine Bangalore without them — and you can spot the freshly arrived as they clutch a copy of Fiona Caulfield’s Love Bangalore under their arms and locate stores like Good Earth to satiate their appetite for all things Indian.

The slightly better settled ones haunt meetings of the Overseas Women’s Club at the Leela or the ITC Windsor and are a part of the Bangalore Expatriate Club. Both the organisations — along with some commercial ones like Global Adjustments — help expats find their feet on the street: where to locate good doctors, which are the better schools, how to participate in charity work and how to attend ‘Sex and the City’ parties (okay, clean up your dirty mind, they are not what you imagine).

The ones who are completely at home can be found tucking into puliyogare rice, attending classical Carnatic music recitals and shopping at Russell Market to whip up salads with brinjal and broad beans. To them, this is the imaginary homeland they have been dreaming of.

But the one thing we constantly overlook about Bangalore and why expats find it comforting is the fact that the local population is literate and speaks English.

An Italian journalist, Ilaria Linetti, made a telling observation recently about Bangalore. Having been to various parts of the country she was astonished by the number of books being sold on the streets — many of them to do with computers and computer science. It’s a reflection of what Bangalore wants to be.

Today, expats are not just sharing their knowledge of the world outside. They find Bangalore fertile enough to set up their own businesses and bring their cultures and training with them. Mariannick Halai has started a delightfully rustic creperie and boulangerie in Whitefield.

She has a wood fired oven built by her husband — who is of Indian origin — and bakes delicious baguettes and croissants.

On weekends her French restaurant opens for dinner, serving simple salad and crepes. Ione Binford, who is the CEO and co-founder of Read Ink, has settled in Bangalore’s Indira Nagar with her husband Thomas Binford — a globally acknowledged researcher of image analysis and computer vision from Stanford — to create path breaking handwriting recognition software.

The Binfords have brought with them a style of research and development that is native to Silicon Valley.

While people like Mariannick Halai and Ione Binford actualise their dreams, they are restructuring and rearranging the very character of Bangalore. Can this be the start of a Bangalore that is genuinely global?

Source: http://www.dnaindia.com/opinion/main-article_imaginary-homeland_1396090

Experts doubt BDA’s lake revival technique

Sandeep Moudgal and Subhash Chandra N S, Bangalore, June 14, DHNS:

The act of the Bruhat Bangalore Mahanagara Palike in entrusting rejuvenation of lakes to Bangalore Development Authority has raised several questions.

As many as 12 lakes were entrusted to the BDA early last year for rejuvenation. Added to this, the BBMP council last month passed a proposal for infrastructure projects worth Rs 2,000 crore, part of which was diverted towards developing 29 lakes by the BDA. However, doubts are being raised over the BDA’s “civil engineering” intervention in restoring the dying lakes. Experts feel that the idea of the lake development projects seems to have overridden the idea of rejuvenating these dying water bodies.


On the future of the 29 lakes which are likely to be transferred to the BDA, Reddy hoped that they too will be handled much in the same manner, provided, a dedicated team of engineers and personnel are stationed by the Authority.

Lakes to be handed over to BDA

1. Manganahalli,
2. Nelagdirenahalli,
3. Narasappanahalli,
4. Lingadeeranahalli,
5. Amruthahalli,
6. Gubbalala,
7. Hosakerehalli,
8. Doddakallasandra,
9. Avalahalli,
10. Hosakere (Gandhinagar),
11. Chunchanaghatta,
12. Hulimavu,
13. Arakere,
14. Kembettanahalli,
15. Vasanthapura,
16. Bheemanakuppe,
17. Kenchanapura,
18. Kannenahalli,
19. Chikkabasthi,
20. Soolekere,
21.B Narayanapura,
22.Chikkabettahalli,
23.Garavebavi Palya,
24.Singasandra
25.Konanakunte
26. Byrasandra
27. Channasandra
28. Kaggadasapura
29. Doddanakkundi

Gubbalala lake is among the 29 lakes which the Palike has handed over to the Bangalore Development Authority (BDA) since it couldn’t maintain all the water bodies in the City. Besides, it was believed that the BDA does the work in a planned manner. After all, it was the BDA that developed the Sankey Tank and Yediyur lake. But the Opposition has questioned poor expertise of the BBMP whereas the BDA is skilled in planning the City. |

The focus is now the kind of planning the BDA may bring in to these lakes. It is yet to be seen whether the BDA will successfully preserve the natural quality of these lakes.

Seeing BDA has been successful in all endeavours, this should be the same..

The fast depleting water bodies and green cover in the City have raised alarm bells. Also a recent study by IISC reveals that Bangalore has overshot its development capacity by nearly 47percent.
Rapid loss of green cover in Bangalore has reulted in climate changeRapid loss of green cover in Bangalore has resulted in climate change

Bangalore is experiencing unprecedented urbanization and sprawl in recent times due to concentrated developmental activities with impetus on industrialization for the economic development of the region.

This concentrated growth has resulted in the increase in population and consequent pressure on infrastructure, natural resources and ultimately giving rise to a plethora of serious challenges such as climate change, enhanced green-house gases emissions, lack of appropriate infrastructure, traffic congestion, and lack of basic amenities (electricity, water, and sanitation) in many localities, etc.

A recent study by the Indian Institute Of Science’s centre for ecological sciences (CES) shows that there has been a growth of 632% in urban areas Bangalore. It also reveals that Bangalore has overshot its development capacity. The study titled ‘Greater Bangalore, emerging urban heat island’ states that the built up area here was 632% with 79% loss of vegetation and 78% loss of water bodies.

Built up area is the total area used for construction of any building. Data since 1973 was analyzed and it was found that Bangalore had crossed its development limits. The study also found that the condition of Northern part of greater Bangalore was poorer than the Southern region, where the City is growing faster.

“Also the number of lakes in Bangalore has come down from 159 to only 93. Strangely, the BBMP claims there are still 212 lakes in the City. The government needs to realize that Bangalore can’t take in anymore developmental work; enough damage has already been done. Now the government should focus on restoring lakes and no green land should be given out for construction,” Says Environmentalist Yellappa Reddy.

He further adds, “Agricultural land cannot be exploited any more as food resources will be affected. Rising food prices and food scarcity should make the government realize the importance of agricultural lands. The Government should think up of better alternatives, like setting up of satellite towns,”

BBMP council last month passed a proposal for infrastructure projects worth Rs 2,000 crore, part of which was diverted towards developing 29 lakes by the BDA. However, doubts are being raised over the BDA’s involvement in restoring the dying lakes. Experts feel that the idea of the lake development projects seems to have overridden the idea of rejuvenating these dying water bodies.

Civic Expert, Samel Paul says “If you’ve noticed, we’ve had the hottest summer in years. Why do you think this is happening? It’s due to rapid loss of green cover in our city. Greenery is disappearing; ground water mining is draining some lakes, while the scourge of unaccounted sewage and indiscriminate use of agro chemicals and pesticides along the wetlands has gripped many,”



http://www.mybangalore.com/article/0610/bangalore-has-lost-79-green-cover-in-the-last-two-years-its-time-to-act-now-says-study.html

Central Bangalore is full of non-combat military sites, many of them schools and hospitals. They should all be moved out of the city and the land turned into wooded parks.

Central Bangalore is full of non-combat military sites, many of them schools and hospitals. They should all be moved out of the city and the land turned into wooded parks.

+1

Central Bangalore is full of non-combat military sites, many of them schools and hospitals. They should all be moved out of the city and the land turned into wooded parks.

Central bangalore ORIGINALLY belonged to the Army.
You should be thankful that they have given land for several projects till now..
The army is otherwise known to be very khadoos when it comes to parting with land..

Central bangalore ORIGINALLY belonged to the Army.
You should be thankful that they have given land for several projects till now..
The army is otherwise known to be very khadoos when it comes to parting with land..

I want the army and its redundant facilities(no use to public) to be out of the city limits....:bash: Mcarling is right,those schools and hospitals are as good as redundants,Hope the army does its bit to save greenery and ensure a greeny Bangalore.

The army (and air force) could greatly improve security for all these installations by consolidating them in a new secure area outside city limits.

The army (and air force) could greatly improve security for all these installations by consolidating them in a new secure area outside city limits.

Yes,they must move out - something like "Defence city",those heavy duty army trucks roll on Bengaluru city roads and during monsoon the tyres just dent the roads.

^^ We should give comfort to army men who give their lives and limbs. Let them enjoy living in heart of the city with everything in close reach.

Chief minister BS Yeddyurappa on Wednesday stepped in to prevent any more confusion on the issue of extending the deadline for Bangalore’s nightlife. The excise and home ministries are at loggerheads over the 2am deadline proposal for star hotels and clubs.

“I am the boss. I will speak to the home minister and the excise minister and then take the final decision,” he said.

He was reacting to the ongoing spat between home minister VS Acharya and excise minister MP Renukacharya.

While Renukacharya is for an extension of the deadline to 2am, Acharya is against it as it could increase the crime rate in the city.
Acharya has shot down the deadline proposal.But Renukacharyais positive. On Tuesday, he held a meeting with star hotel owners and said he will take up the matter with thechief minister. “This is not an issue to be discussed in public. I don’t know why the two ministers (Acharya and Renukacharya) have expressed divergent views,” said Yeddyurappa. “The issue needs a detailed discussion, only then can we take a final call,” he said.

Meanwhile, Renukacharya has convened a meeting with tourism and home ministry officials tomorrow to seek their stand on the deadline.



hope he extends the deadline :P

Japanese giants Hitachi and Mitsubishi have shown preliminary interest in executing the 55 km monorail project in Bangalore, senior state government officials told ET.

Executives of the two companies have met with Karnataka state government officials to express the interest of their companies in implementing the project, they said.

The monorail, which will act as a feeder route to the ongoing metro rail project, will be executed under a public-private partnership model with the government acting as the facilitator.

The estimated cost is likely to be around Rs 7,700 crore and the cash strapped government needs private players to participate to push the project through. Several consultancies are readying bid submissions for preparing a detailed project report (DFR). State government officials said Hitachi, Mitsubishi and others will finalise their plans after the submission of the DPR.

This is the second time that the state government is roping in the private sector to develop an urban transport system. The high speed rail link, connecting Bangalore city to the international airport has received expression of interest from five private players and the winner of this project is likely to be announced in another two months.

However, before the monorail project is actually awarded to a particular firm or consortium, a DPR needs to be prepared which will provide complete specifications in terms of the cost, technical requirements and the timeline.

The state government will hold a pre-bid conference to select the consultant to prepare the DPR, and 12 firms have confirmed their participation.

These include Wilbursmith Associates, Delhi Integrated Multi-modal Transit System, RITES etc. Once the DPR is prepared, the government will come out with the request for quotation (RFQ) and later the request for proposal (RFP) between December 2010 and March 2011. Commissioning of the project is expected in May 2014.



http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/transportation/railways/Mitsubishi-Hitachi-keen-on-Bangalores-monorail-project/articleshow/6056807.cms

The state is planning to provide seven thousand million cubic feet of water to the proposed Information Technology Investment Region (ITIR) near Bangalore International Airport.

Bangalore Water Supply and Sewerage Board (BWSSB) Minister Katta Subramanya Naidu said on Sunday during an exclusive interaction with The New Indian Express.

He said, “The ITIR has already asked for 70 million litres per day of tertiary-treated water and we can meet that demand immediately.” Pipelines will be laid from different sources for supplying drinking water, he said.

WHY THE SCARCITY?

Naidu said water scarcity in the city was triggered by a huge jump in connections since Cauvery IV Stage was commissioned in 2001.

The number has increased from 2 lakh to 6 lakh connections.

“We are planning to reduce unaccounted water use, which is 48 per cent of the total water supply,” he said.

The minister said public fountains would be removed to save eight to nine per cent of the unaccounted water.

Also, ground-level reservoirs will be repaired and old pipelines will be replaced at the cost of Rs 450 crore.

He said nearly 1 lakh water meters that are more than fifteen years old will be replaced.

HARVESTING RAINWATER

The minister said that at least 20,234 building owners, among the 1 lakh notified, have made arrangements for rainwater harvesting in their buildings.

“The BWSSB will install the system in buildings that have not installed them and add the cost to the bill of the customer,” he said.

The Water Board Act has been amended to make theft a criminal offence, he said.

The amendment prescribes three years in prison for any person found guilty of water theft, including the officials.

POWER PLANS

Naidu also said the Karnataka Power Transmission Corporation Ltd (KPTCL) officials have assured that there will be enough power for the city by 2012 and that “we will have surplus power by 2014”.

He said, the capacity of the proposed gas-based power plant at Bidadi has been enhanced from 1,400 MW to 2,000 MW.

THE MAKING OF ITIR

Further talking about the project, Naidu said the investment region will be developed by KEONICS and will be spread over 40 square km.

Around 2,500 acres would be developed in the first phase — within five years — and the remaining 7,500 acres would be developed in the second phase, which would be completed in another fifteen years,” he said.

He said that the project would generate around 35 lakh to 40 lakh jobs for the people in the state.

ZERO SEWAGE

Over 30,000 building owners who have diverted their sewage to storm water drains have been issued notices.

He said the sewer lines will be shifted to prevent sewage from getting mixed with storm water in case of leakage.

“In the future, the rain water that falls in the city would be collected and supplied to the city after being treated,” he said.

ROAD WIDENING PLANS

Naidu said that the government has decided to give land owners, who will lose their land to road widening works, the option of taking either Transfer of Development Rights or BDA sites.

“Those who lose small areas of land will be compensated with money,” he said

HOUSING FOR ALL Also, the minister said that the state government would construct 1.5 lakh houses in the state for the poor and will also distribute 2 lakh sites in rural areas.

He said, “We will construct houses for the urban poor under the Vajpayee Vasathi Yojane at the cost of Rs 1.3 lakh. The beneficiary will have to pay Rs 30,000, the state government will give a subsidy of Rs 50,000 and the banks will lend the remaining Rs 50,000,” he said.

“We have formulated schemes called Bagya-sampada and Yashasu to provide houses at affordable costs in the city.” He said, flats constructed under this scheme would be priced between Rs 3.65 lakh and 4.9 lakh.

GOVT TO DISCOURAGE EUCALYPTUS PLANTATION TO SAVE WATER

Bangalore Water Supply and Sewerage (BWSSB) Minister, Katta Subramanya Naidu said the government will ask farmers to stop cultivation of eucalyptus trees in the state.

“Eucalyptus trees are not suitable for places where the rainfall is less than 1,000 mm,” he said. He informed that the government will advise the farmers to plant some other trees instead of eucalyptus trees and also uproot the existing plantations.

“Eucalyptus trees grow very fast and absorb a lot of water, leaving very less moisture for other plants to grow. As their roots grow very deep, they also affect the ground water and absorb a lot of nutrients in the soil affecting the growth of crops around them,” Naidu said.

“They also have an adverse affect on soil organisms like earthworms and very few local animals live in the eucalyptus groves. Eucalyptus also makes the soil toxic,” he added.



we need to have separate thread to keep track of ITIR .

http://expressbuzz.com/cities/bangalore/%E2%80%9848-pc-of-water-use-unaccounted-for%E2%80%99/181451.html

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/icons/icon10.gif I'm the boss, let me decide: Karnataka CM
hope he extends the deadline :P
My vote campaigning in next election depends solely on that :ohno:

I want the army and its redundant facilities(no use to public) to be out of the city limits....:bash: Mcarling is right,those schools and hospitals are as good as redundants,Hope the army does its bit to save greenery and ensure a greeny Bangalore.

THE army is the reason why Central BAngalore even has any lung space. Give it to anyone else and within hardly anytime you'll be in a Concrete jungle
Don't complain.

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My vote campaigning in next election depends solely on that :ohno:

Bar hours: Excise Minister backs down (http://www.hindu.com/2010/06/19/stories/2010061951610400.htm)

Dude vote for JD(S),next elections.:lol:

^^ I ll vote for JDS-Cong coalition :lol:

M G Road’s boulevard of yore to be back
S Praveen Dhaneshkar, Bangalore, DHNS:

The Bangalore Metro Rail Corporation Limited (BMRCL) will begin restoration work of the M G Road boulevard from July.
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http://www.deccanherald.com/content/76238/m-g-roads-boulevard-yore.html
Anybody cares?

M G Road’s boulevard of yore to be back
S Praveen Dhaneshkar, Bangalore, DHNS:

The Bangalore Metro Rail Corporation Limited (BMRCL) will begin restoration work of the M G Road boulevard from July.
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http://www.deccanherald.com/content/76238/m-g-roads-boulevard-yore.html
Anybody cares?

Yes ofcourse :banana:

this is some old news so if someone has posted this article just ignore it......


Bangalore, 4th June: Bangalore is likely to get an Air University, which will offer a wide range of courses related to aviation such as flying, aerospace engineering, air traffic control, airport infrastructure and management, among others.

Disclosing this during a session on “Aerospace Opportunities in Karnataka” at Global Investors Meet-2010 here on Thursday, Commissioner for Industries Raj Kumar Khatri said the State government was working with the Confederation of Indian Industry (CII) Karnataka State Council in this regard.

Chairman of the Council Aroon Raman said that the CII was keen on establishment of a university dedicated to aviation industry and discussions are on with the Visvesvaraya Technological University on the modalities of establishment.

Air Marshal T.J. Master (Retired) of the CII-Karnataka, who is co-ordinating with the Government on establishment of country's first Air University, told us that a few countries in the world like the U.S., Australia, China have such universities offering courses dedicated to the aviation sector.

India needs such a university as the aviation sector is growing rapidly in the country, and at present certain courses are compartmentalised and scattered in different educational sector, Air Marshal Master said pointing out that establishment of a dedicated university is with an aim to meeting the workforce needed for next 20-30 years in the aviation sector.

http://www.c2clive.com/latestnewsdetail.php?id=1035

^^ It is time to move things out of B'lore. This university could come up in Belgaum which can be promoted as a aero hub to relieve congestion in B'lore.

CM Yedurappa National Hockey cup just got concluded in Bengaluru

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A good initiative by the CM to promote the National game.

Adopt rainwater harvesting, says Minister- Images

BANGALORE JUNE 20, 2010: Karnatakas Urban Development, Law and Parliamentary Affairs Minister S. Sureshkumar on Saturday inaugurated Rain Water Harvest Rally in his constituency in Rajajinagar in Bangalore in the presence of a large number of people.

In fact students from various schools and college students participated in this rally to create awareness about utilise of rain water harvest.

Mr Kumar said the government has made mandatory adoption of rainwater harvesting in the State. All those who construct new houses and buildings have to adopt rain water harvesting system, he said.

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Interestingly, the Bangalore city has been facing severe water problem through out the year due to poor planning and lack of implementation of the rainwater harvesting by the residents of the City.

A large number of people utilize Cauvery drinking water supplied from the river Cauvery to wash their cars and other vehicles and even gardening. Creating awareness of rainwater harvesting could help to save a lot of potable water. The recycled water would be used for washing clothes, cars and gardening in the city, he said.

Several government buildings including Vikasa Soudha and other newly constructed ones had adopted rainwater harvesting method, he said.

Our Correspondent (http://www.mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=local&newsid=184384)

http://www.hindu.com/2010/06/22/stories/2010062260680300.htm

Greens, Government clash over National War Memorial at Indira Gandhi Musical Fountain Park

The memorial will come up on 6.2 acres of the park area

Environmentalists want the project to be shifted to some other site


BANGALORE: It is one war that soldiers would like to forget, one that has generated so much heat and dust and ruffled so many feathers that it ended up being bitterly fought in a court of law.

In fact, very few projects in Bangalore, apart from Namma Metro and road widening, have generated so much debate as the proposed National War Memorial that is coming up at the Indira Gandhi Musical Fountain Park in Vasanthnagar.

The park, the only one of its kind in Vasanthnagar, is spread over 17 acres. Residents of Vasanthangar and adjacent areas use the park for their morning walk and exercises.

The battle over the park began after the State Government announced in 2008 that a national memorial to soldiers who laid down their lives would come up on 6.22 acres of the park area. The cost of the entire project was pegged at Rs. 12 crore. Though the then Governor Rameshwar Thakur laid the foundation stone in February 2009, the battle over the memorial began only towards the end of 2009 when the construction work commenced.

The park has 182 trees and initial projections by the Government said 29 trees would have to be cut to make way for the memorial.

Apart from the memorial — a monolith rock — the project would comprise a museum dedicated to three wings of the Defence services and an underground structure called the Motivation Hall.

Appalled by what they felt was an uncalled for destruction of precious green cover, environmentalists in the city took to the streets demanding the project be shifted to some other site. The greens pointed out that Metro, road widening and other development projects had so far led to the felling of at least 900 trees in and around Bangalore central district: any more felling of trees would lead to irreversible ecological damage.

When the State Government did not heed their protests and instead handed over the monitoring of the project to the Agenda for Bengaluru Infrastructure and Development (ABIDe) task force, the Krishna Apartment Owners Welfare Association filed a public interest litigation (PIL) petition in the Karnataka High Court. The association demanded that the memorial be shifted elsewhere and the State stop the wanton destruction of the green cover.

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http://www.hindu.com/2010/06/22/stories/2010062256250300.htm

Bangalore: At least 20 passengers travelling in a Bangalore Metropolitan Transport Corporation (BMTC) bus had a providential escape when the bus suddenly went up in flames in front of Bangalore University Office in Jnanabharathi here on Sunday morning.

The bus, which was heading towards Kempegowda bus stand from Doddabasthi village, caught fire around 9.30 a.m. due to suspected electric short circuit in the battery box, said sources of the Fire and Emergency Services Department.

Smoke

The driver noticed the smoke emanating from the engine and stopped the bus.

...

BBMP for new regulations to remove lake encroachments
Sandeep Moudgal Bangalore, June 22, DHNS
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/76956/bbmp-regulations-remove-lake-encroachments.html
The Bruhat Bangalore Mahanagara Palike (BBMP) is all set to implement a new set of regulations to remove encroachments on lakes.

In what appears to be a move to give more teeth to the anti-encroachment drive, the Palike has handed over the eviction process to the Bangalore Metropolitan Task Force (BMTF), while the prosecution process is to be handled by the Zonal Commissioners of the BBMP. Nearly 113 lakes had been handed over to the Palike by the State Government on September 19 2009. With the survey and demarcation of lakes almost complete, the BBMP is now likely to take up the task of removing the encroachments on these lakes.

The protocol has been set up to keep a check on encroachments of lakes and is based on the laws prescribed under the Karnataka Public Premises (eviction of unauthorised occupants) 1974 and the Karnataka Land Revenue Act, 1964.

Without any notice

The process will then begin with the BMTF being given the task of taking possession of lakes that do not consist of any temporary or permanent structures like sheds, fencing, etc. The BMTF can take possession of the lake area without any notice by the BBMP.

So there are 113 lakes in bbmp limits :cheers:

I agree with gentem. In my opinion, the effect of language choices on the development of Bangalore is an appropriate topic for this forum, but the Nanjangud highway is not.

To the extent we speak English, Bangalore develops faster. To the extent that we speak local languages like Hindi, Bangalore remains mired in poverty. If we don't speak English with our children at home, from day one, then we will soon lose the biggest competitive advantage India has vis-a-vis China: English. For more than ten years already, every chinese child learns English in school. If current policies remain in place, companies will do business with China rather than India because they will speak better English.

The rest of the world will not learn Hindi, Kannada or Tamil. The number of non-chinese people outside China who are studying Chinese is higher than it used to be, but still less than 1% of the number studying English. Outside India, virtually no one studies Hindi or any other local language. Even international languages other than English are stagnating. French has lost its claim to be a global language. Chinese, Arabic and Spanish are not making progress. Russian is fast declining from 300 million speakers to fewer than 200 million. The whole world is learning English. I once thought France or China or Russia would be the last place on earth where people cannot speak English. Now I'm beginning to think it may be India.

Children will naturally be able to pick up local languages on the street. It's great for them to be bilingual or trilingual and able to speak with their grandparents. However, a scholarly knowledge of local languages is not helpful to development. English should be the first language of every Indian child because English facilitates international trade, creates jobs, and results in development.

As for language, some Tulu people from Mangalore support Hindi against Kannada. That maybe because enemy's enemy is friend, or because they have relatives settled in Mumbai. All because of simple fact that people dont want to learn more than 2 languages, in this case Kannada will be 3rd language after Tulu and mandatory English.
Bangalore made it to national news headlines for wrong reasons by banning Kites/Ravanan movie shows. Similar to Raj thakrey in mumbai, such incidents will tarnish Bangalore's image as "cosmopolitan" city.

BBMP projects http://bbmp.gov.in/images/projects/PROJECTS.pdf
BBMP Before and After, EPIC.. I like the poses.. http://bbmp.gov.in/images/Engineering/photos_before_after.pdf
BBMP Work in Progress.. Again I like the poses http://bbmp.gov.in/images/Engineering/pppce.pdf

^^:bash:

Couldn't resist from commenting.The Before and after pics in the link is a JOKE :nuts::ohno:. We can see what these babus consider clean and neat (Just like what is in their heads). Pathetic people, pathetic residents and pathetic work.

^^:bash:

Couldn't resist from commenting.The Before and after pics in the link is a JOKE :nuts::ohno:. We can see what these babus consider clean and neat (Just like what is in their heads). Pathetic people, pathetic residents and pathetic work.

My thoughts exactly...

DISCIPLINING THE RECKLESS CAR PARKERS IN CITY


SOM

A novel venture by Traffic Police

Mysore, June 11 (HT&KMC) – It is time for the four-wheeler drivers in city to learn some parking discipline and decency.

The City Traffic Police, after spending considerable amount of time and energy in disciplining the autorickshaw drivers and two-wheeler riders (who are like the proverbial dog's tail), have now diverted their attention towards the four-wheelers that are haphazardly parked along the main roads and elsewhere in city, causing severe inconvenience to other vehicles and pedestrians.


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Vehicle owners found guilty of wrong or haphazard parking will be given a ticket for violating traffic rules, after getting one of the wheels locked with a specially made device. The fines for parking vehicle in the no-parking zone is Rs. 100 and Rs. 200 for haphazard parking.

A demonstration of the Wheel Locking System was presented by the Traffic Police personnel led by DCP (Crime and Traffic) P. Rajendra Prasad on D. Devaraja Urs road last evening, in the presence of Deputy Mayor Pushpalatha Jagannath.

Faulty vehicles will be fitted with the lock and a ticket will be pasted on the car’s windshield. The car will be unlocked by the Police only after the owner or driver of the car has paid the fine at the Police Station notified in the ticket.

Presently, 15 such wheel-locks have been distributed among various Traffic Police Stations in city, said Rajendra Prasad.

Thats better method than towing away :)

BDA carries out demolition of unauthorised constructions
Bangalore,Jun29 (PTI)

Bangalore Development Authority has carried out demolition of unauthorised construction in 50 cases with more than 154 acres valued at Rs 1105.81 crore since January last year.

Layouts are being formed on these areas and sites allotted through public auction or some times as per the Government's directions, Chief Minister B S Yeddyurappa told the Legislative Assembly on Tuesday.

Responding to a question from Ramalinga Reddy (Congress), he said in the recovered lands having no legal impediments, about 815 sites of various dimensions have been formed.

"164 sites have been disposed of out of which 129 sites have been allotted and 35 sites have been auctioned", Yeddyurappa said.

The allotted sites comprise 90 ones to allottees for whom physical possession was not given.Proposal of 287 sites for auctioning is under process.Other sites would be disposed of after clearing the legal impediments which have cropped up after the formation of layouts, he said.
DHNS

Bangalore to host International Exhibition - Healthex 2010

India Infoline News Service / 14:30 , Jun 29, 2010
A comprehensive International Exhibition on Medical, Surgical & Diagnostic equipments, Technology, Materials, Supplies and allied services

Confederation of Indian Industry (CII) and Bangalore International Exhibition Services (BIES) brings Healthex 2010 scheduled from 16th July 2010 to 19th July 2010 at Bangalore International Exhibition Centre (BIEC) Tumkur Road.


Healthcare industry which is currently US$ 35 billion, ranks third amongst India’s fastest growing industries and the size is expected to reach over US$ 75 billion by 2012. With live showcasing of recent trends in healthcare, the objective of the exhibition is to bring the best of technology available globally. It also aims to encourage the medical fraternity to invest on modern equipment to help exhibitors expand their business into newer markets like Rural India.


Addressing the media today, Padma Vibhushan Dr. Prathap C. Reddy, Founder & Chairman, Apollo Hospitals Group, Chairman, CII National Health Council and Chairman, Healthex said, “21st Century Healthcare follows the rest of the competitive economy and information society. Dramatic improvements are needed in the 21st century in healthcare-lower cost delivery models, higher quality, greater efficiency & better access to healthcare. Advances in technology and medical research will make it possible to envision an entirely new healthcare system that focuses the patient regardless of their earnings, location, sickness & education.”


Expressing his views on Healthex 2010, Mr. Anjan Bose, Vice-President and Head, Professional & Public Affairs, Philips Electronics India Ltd. and Co-Chairman, Healthex added, “At Healthex 2010 the intent is to share that the medical technology industry in India is ready to explode. The challenge is to develop and implement cost effective and scalable models of delivering medical technology in India. A collaborative approach towards encouraging growth in the industry will help in overcoming this challenge and enable the medical technology industry to be the game changer in transforming the Indian healthcare scenario.”


Spread across 6500 square metres, the exhibition will be a host to 70 National and International exhibitors from across 6 countries including India.


• Best brains in the Indian Healthcare industry like - Dr. Prathap C. Reddy(Chairman and Founder, Apollo Group), Mr. Anjan Bose (Vice-President and Head, Professional & Public Affairs, Philips Electronics India Ltd), Mr. A.Vaidheesh (Johnson & Johnson), Mr. V.Raja ( G.E. Healthcare), Mr. Rajen Padukone ( Manipal Hospital), Dr. Vivek Desai (Hosmac India Pvt. Ltd.) and Dr. Arvind Lal (Dr. Lal Pathlabs), etc. will be coming together in this exhibition.


• CEO’s roundtable on 21st Century Healthcare which would include CEO’s from health majors like Nova Medical Centre, Manipal, Fortis, Apollo, Max Healthcare besides secretaries from Ministry of Health and Family Welfare.


• Major associations such as ASI, IRIA, ACBI, ISA are partnered with this exhibition and they are holding scientific seminars, which makes it the first exhibition to have support from such medical associations.


Participation of high-level domestic delegations from National Rural Health Mission (NRHM), Employees State Insurance Corporation (ESIC), National Highways Authority of India (NHAI), Armed Forces Medical Services (AFMS), Indian Railways, Central Government Health Services (CGHS), Public Sector Undertakings


• Best brains from across the industry will debate on the need for modern ICUs, recent trends in Clinical Biochemistry, Cardiology, Radiology, Oncology, new Surgical technology and techniques, role and importance of Robotic Radio Surgery in Cancer Care Delivery and the increased need to spread the awareness and importance of Green Hospitals in India.


Besides the leading multinational companies in the sector in India, the event will witness participation from Germany, France, Netherlands, Hungary and Malaysia etc. There will be ample scope for establishing profitable business relationship and an opportunity to interact with others in the area of business and trade. Healthex will also be an ideal platform for non industry people to network with healthcare professionals, witness the newest innovations in technology in healthcare and interact with company ambassadors face-to-face to learn and explore the new developments in health industry globally.
Source (http://www.indiainfoline.com/Markets/News/Bangalore-to-host-International-Exhibition-Healthex-2010/4871349483)

BBMP to muscle out advertisement agencies
Bangalore:July 1, DHNS:

The Bruhat Bangalore Mahanagara Palike (BBMP) Council has decided to muscle out the advertising agencies with regard to the advertising hoardings in the City.

The topic raised by the Opposition leader M Nagaraj of the Congress during the meeting on Tuesday triggered a heated debate over the constant outflow from the advertising revenue.
“The number of illegal hoardings has crossed over 6,000. Many restricted zones also have got advertising hoardings, a trend which has not been restrained,” said Nagaraj.

Responding to the “leakage” in the revenue from advertising hoardings, the BBMP Commissioner said, “We have already received Rs 18 crore from the advertising revenue this financial year. We will consider using the GIS to further identify these illegal hoardings to bring them down.”

Corporator from Hanumanthanagar, K Chandrashekar suggested that the BBMP themselves take up the job of distributing the advertising rights without involving the agencies. This would also ensure an additional income of Rs 200 crore for the Palike, he added.

Mayor S K Nataraj said a committee will be formed to look into the matter and find a novel way to put into effect such a suggestion. Nataraj said the Palike has already initiated reforms in the advertising department by revising certain guidelines and rules.
Yet another heated debate ensued through the morning session at the Palike Council over the “reasoning” and “logic” behind the road widening projects in the City.
C K Ramamurthy, senior BJP leader and corporator from Pattabhiram Nagar complained about the unreasonable developing of footpaths and Storm Water Drains when the same roads were being widened.

The Palike Commissioner clarified that directions had already been issued to the zones to take up only the bare minimum “maintenance” drives.
No further developmental activities were to commence on roads which have been slated for widening, he added.
DH News Service (http://www.deccanherald.com/content/78713/bbmp-muscle-advertisement-agencies.html)

DGCA certifies hi-tech chopper simulator

Bangalore: July 2, DHNS:

The Helicopter Academy to Train by Simulation of Flying (HATSOFF) on Friday announced that its Bell 412 full-mission simulator has been certified to Level D, the highest qualification for flight simulators, by India’s Directorate General Civil Aviation (DGCA) and the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA).

Wing Commander (Retd) Chandra Datt Upadhyay, Chief Executive Officer of HATSOFF, the joint venture owned equally by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) and CAE, said , “The HATSOFF training centre is a first for India, and we are excited to begin offering simulation-based training that will prove to be one of the best approaches for improving safety, operational efficiency and mission readiness.”

The CAE-built full-mission helicopter simulator at HATSOFF features CAE's revolutionary roll-on/roll-off cockpit design, which enables cockpits representing various helicopter types to be used in the simulator.

The first training programme of HATSOFF is for operators of the Bell 412 helicopter. Additional cockpits for the Indian Army/Air Force variant of the HAL-built Dhruv, the civil variant of the Dhruv, and the Eurocopter Dauphin will be added to the HATSOFF training centre over the next year.

The HATSOFF training centre, located near HAL's headquarters in Bangalore, also features multimedia classrooms, computer-based training, brief/debrief facilities, and a training management information system.

The full-mission simulator features a common motion system, vibration platform, and visual display system, along with the four separate cockpit modules that can be used in the full-mission simulator. When a cockpit is not used in the full-mission simulator, it will be used as a fixed-based flight training device (FTD).

DH News Service (http://www.deccanherald.com/content/78955/dgca-certifies-hi-tech-chopper.html)
Its nice...

Bangalore IT companies bow to bandh on Monday (http://ibnlive.in.com/news/bangalore-it-companies-bow-to-bandh-on-monday/125953-7.html)
Looks like BJP is going to make a total bandh on Monday

^^ yeah its a holiday for us tomoro :banana: [even the US guys have their independence day holiday] but this saturday would be a working day :ohno:

Some tech companies will still function with doors closed.

yeah, many cmpnys have arranged cabs for ppl in support. Cabs would drop them to ofc before 6 AM.

yeah, many cmpnys have arranged cabs for ppl in support. Cabs would drop them to ofc before 6 AM.
Oh SIX am, I cant think of getting up before 8 am in Bangalore...its so cold...:shocked:

High taxes fuel citizens’ worry
TNN, Jul 7, 2010, 03.08am IST
BANGALORE: The BJP government may have ensured the bandh’s success in Karnataka. But the moot question remains: what are the initiatives it has taken to bring down taxes.

The basic price of fuel and taxes levied in Karnataka are the highest in India. On the basic price of petrol, there is an entry and sales tax, besides a dealer’s commission.

Entry tax is 5% on fuel while sales tax is 25% on petrol and 18% on diesel respectively. There is no entry tax for diesel. The government has put the onus on the Centre to reduce fuel rates, maintaining it had brought down sales tax on petrol from 28% to 25% and diesel from 20 to 18% within a month of its coming to power in 2008.

Home minister V S Acharya, who represented chief minister B S Yeddyurappa at the empowerment panel meeting of state finance ministers in 2008, said the government has done its best to bring down taxes. Sales tax on kerosene sold through PDS is 1%; for domestic LPG (5%) and 13% for commercial purposes.

WHY ARE TAXES HIGH?

According to Acharya, taxes are the highest in Karnataka compared to New Delhi because of transportation costs, despite Mangalore having an oil refinery. "Though New Delhi has no refinery, it’s considered a zero transport place. However from Karnataka, transport equalization charge is collected for fuel being transported from Chennai and Cochin. The Mangalore refinery is not taken into account. If this is done, the government can sell petrol and diesel at a lower rate in at least eight to 10 districts," he added.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/City-Bangalore/Metro-feeder-monorails-coming/articleshow/6136925.cms
Delhi zero transportation, Mangalore transportation cost from Cochin?? With 25% central govt tax along with state govt 25% tax, we are paying over 60% tax on essential petrol and diesel. Nothing but government extortion.

Bangalore, Bollywood have changed India's image globally
New Delhi, July 5, IANS:

Bollywood and Bangalore have changed the image of India in a globalised world, says noted French economist Guy Sorman.

"In the era of globalisation, countries are competing for software and trademark. The image of India has been positively impacted by the competitive computer software and the Bollywood trademark. Before Bollywood and the IT revolution, the Western media mentioned India only when the nation was rocked by a train accident or a similar catastrophe," Sorman told IANS in an interview here.

The economist was in the capital for the launch of his book, "Economics Does Not Lie", a study of the market economics of developing nations of the post-meltdown scenario. In his book, Sorman describes India as a "market revolution" in the decades following 1991.
Sorman has authored 20 books on "creativity and modern capitalism," including "The Genius of India (2000)".

Why Bollywood and Bangalore? "Non-Indians are very creative and they identify easily with the hi-tech fields of Bollywood and software though the two are smaller in size than textiles that is a more important export item," Sorman said.
"One rarely talks about textiles," he analysed.

The mere economic size of these sections does not matter. "Bangalore and Bollywood are the cultural brands of India globally - the drivers of the modern economy," he said.
Other than economics, "Indian classical music and Bollywood" keep Sorman bound to India, when he is not discharging his duties as deputy mayor in charge of culture at Boulogne near Paris.



Deccan Herald (http://www.deccanherald.com/content/79397/bangalore-bollywood-have-changed-indias.html)

Bangalore turns into 'Pensioners’ Paradise' for a day

Bharat Bundh on Monday could have brought the City to a standstill inflicting major blow to trade and business but it gave a welcome breather to the residents of the City as the level of pollution dropped to a pleasant low.


The deserted road, less vehicular movement, children playing on an otherwise busy streets and people strolling leisurely on the roads reminded the grand-old folk their golden old days when Bangalore had earned the name of 'Garden City' and 'Pensioners' Paradise'.

Traffic police who usually have to deal with heavy pollution in the City on other days appeared quite happy.

"It is great to work on such days when you do not have any vehicular movement. The atmosphere with less pollution looks quite good," said a traffic constable.

"Air pollution was almost 40 per cent below the average," said a smiling A S Sadasivaiah, chairperson of the Pollution Control Board.

Toxic gases like sulphur dioxide, oxides of nitrogen and suspended particles were much below the permissible levels in those areas which have earned notoriety in terms of pollution. Sound pollution was almost 30 per cent below the permissible level. "Some amazing figures in terms of less pollution have been recorded. The KSRTC Bus stand which normally records 90 decibels recorded just 57.4 with 36 percent less reduction," said Sadashivaiah.

Steep reduction

According to the available data, City Railway Station showed a steep reduction in oxides of nitrogen (NOx). The permissible standard for NOx is 80 micrograms per cubic metre. The pollution level is so high that the average NOx content in this part of the City on other days is 148 micrograms.

But on Monday it reduced to 34.02 microgram per cubic metre. Even the Respirable Suspended Particulate Matter (RSPM) was 35 per cent below the average value on normal days.

Yashwanthapur, too showed a steep decline in the RSPM and Suspended Particulate Matters (SPM) of 34 per cent and 46 per cent respectively.

Near Graphite India in Whitefield, RSPM and SPM used to be 129 MPCM and 257 MPCM on other days, reduced to 35 MPCM and 149 MPCM respectively on Monday


http://www.deccanherald.com/images/editor_images/July%202010/July%207%202010/pollution-400.jpg

They should ban usage of private vehicles atleast once a month.

Deccan Herald (http://www.deccanherald.com/content/79813/a-record-low-air-noise.html)

Ex-head of 5th largest US accounting firm turns to Mysore LPO

Praveen Bose / Chennai/ Bangalore July 10, 2010, 0:24 IST

In the latest example of how legal outsourcing in India can make a US legal defence more financially viable, Denis Field, former chairman and CEO of the US-based accounting major BDO Seidman, LLP, has hired the Mysore-based SDD Global Solutions, a legal process outsourcing arm of New York-based Smith-Dehn LLP, to assist him and his US legal team in his legal battle with the US government. BDO is the world’s fifth largest accounting firm.

In order to effectively pursue his case, Field is joining the ranks of prominent US clients who have discovered an alternative to surrendering to their inability to fund a full and complete legal defence. He and his US lawyers are fighting for his rights with the help of legal outsourcing in India.

By hiring SDD Global Solutions for certain tasks, Field and his team are able to cut his legal costs by a significant percentage for complex and high-end legal work. While in the US it costs $250-300 per hour to do the same work, it would cost $30-90 per hour in India, according to industry analysts.

Field is a defendant in a federal criminal prosecution against him and others for his marketing of allegedly illegal tax shelters while he was at BDO. He is also involved in litigation against BDO, seeking to require BDO to pay his legal fees.

In his criminal matter, Field recently filed a motion seeking discovery and a hearing regarding his claim that the IRS and the US Department of Justice unconstitutionally interfered with BDO’s obligation to pay his legal fees.

In 2000, at 41, Field became the youngest partner ever to be elected chairman and CEO of BDO, founded 100 years ago. Field had served as the head of the firm’s tax practice. His success had even led industry consultant Allan D Koltin, CEO of PDI Global, to note in contemporaneous press reports that, “Denis Field is such a significant person at BDO; he’s the equivalent of Bill Gates at Microsoft.”

In 2002, however, legal trouble brewed at the firm when the IRS began to investigate tax shelter transactions designed and facilitated by a number of accounting firms, including BDO and KPMG. After the government’s prosecution of Arthur Andersen in the unrelated Enron scandal, which resulted in Arthur Andersen’s collapse, the pressure on BDO caused panic among the BDO board. This led to the board distancing itself from the executives involved in the transactions the IRS was targeting. Foremost among these executives was Denis Field, whom the government accuses of diverting billions of dollars from tax coffers.

“The importance of Field’s present arguments go well beyond his own situation; they may impact other defendants in similar situations who lack the resources to seek redress,” said Russell Smith, president, SDD Global Solutions.

Field is said to have been influenced by prominent cases as Doe vs. HBO in Los Angeles, a libel suit in which SDD Global handled nearly all the research and drafting for the defence, leading to a victory; and NMH vs. Bush, in which SDD Global drafted a motion to dismiss a suit in Washington DC against legal outsourcing. SDD Global’s clients have included major film and TV studios, law firms, retail brands, insurance companies, film and television production companies, and publishing houses, as well as prominent individuals, like Mohamed Al Fayed.

For Field and his attorneys at the New York law firm of Kostelanetz & Fink, LLP, it is not an example of shipping jobs overseas, but of assisting in making US litigation financially more feasible. SDD Global will help Field’s attorneys mount a defense that might not otherwise be possible because of the high costs of US litigation and the client’s limited resources.


Business Standard (http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/ex-head5th-largest-us-accounting-firm-turns-to-mysore-lpo/400926/)
Looks like total globalization

MFIAP honour for Jayakumar

Special Correspondent

MYSORE: Smitten by photography since his younger days and a passion to freeze-frame and capture a moment in time, M.N. Jayakumar, Member-Secretary of the Zoo Authority of Karnataka and Additional Principal Chief Conservator of Forests, has brought laurels to the State yet again.

For, he has been honoured with MFIAP, the highest distinction awarded by the Federation Internationale De L'Art Photopgraphique (The International Federation of Photographic Art) affiliated to UNESCO.

This award was given to Mr. Jayakumar for his set of 20 images titled, “Spectacular Indian Birds”. Mr. Jayakumar told The Hindu that the federation was looking for coherence in terms of background, tonal quality, etc., while there was emphasis on light. Hence, a few photographs were backlit and others either side-lit or front-lit, he said.

The panel of 20 photographs submitted by Mr. Jayakumar also display the behavioural aspects of birds all of which were photographed at Kabini, Ranganathittu, Bandipur and Hampi.

Mr. Jayakumar was honoured with FRPS in 2009, and the latest accolade makes him the fourth Indian to bag the two distinctions of MFIAP and FRPS for nature photography.
The Hindu (http://www.hindu.com/2010/07/10/stories/2010071055880200.htm)

Tamil Nadu power hunger leaves others in dark

Despite big bite for overdraft, it draws heavily

Subhash Chandra N S, Bangalore, July 9, DHNS:

A fairly good monsoon so far has not reduced power cuts in the State and the power sector says Tamil Nadu is to blame.

Sources in the power sector said the neighbouring State is overdrawing the power from central grid, depriving Karnataka of its share of power.

Experiencing scant rain, Tamil Nadu is utilising the power for the agricultural activities, while to add to Karnataka’s woes, the two units of Raichur Thermal Power Stations were not functioning.

Tushar Girinath, Managing Director, Bangalore Electricity Supply Company (Bescom) said Tamil nadu is overdrawing 600 MW of power, while the other states including Karnataka have been forced to cut their share.

“The price of overdrawing is a high 17.50 paise per unit, but still Tamil Nadu is overdrawing. As per the latest information it had drawn 618 MW, while the share of Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh has come down to ‘minus 100 MW’,” he said.

Another official said the grid frequency due to the overdrawing has come down to 49.3 cycles - lowest in past two months.

“The grid frequency should be maintained at 50 cycles, and if the low frequency continues, it lead to the grid collapse,” he said adding that Bescom was monitoring the situation constantly.

Loadshedding

The implication has led to the loadshedding including the City, despite the demand coming down to 109 million units.

According to Bescom, the loadshedding has been extended to all consumers in the City, including domestic, commercial and industrial establishments. Girinath said that between 6 am to 10 am and 10 am to 2 pm, loadshedding is extended to residential consumers in four shifts each.

Bescom has also extended loadshedding to commercial consumers between 2 pm to 6 pm in two shifts, while between 7 pm to 9.30 pm, loashedding is extended to industrial consumers in four batches.

He said Bescom had taken steps to supply power for 22 hours in a day.

SLDC resorts to load shedding

The Gulbarga Electricity Supply Company (Gescom) has resorted to unscheduled load shedding following directions from the State Load Dispatch Centre (SLDC) owing to steep fall in power generation.

According to official sources, power generation in the State was down by 780 MW as on Friday.

The generation has decreased by 500 MW at Raichur and by 110 MW at Bellary thermal power stations.

Besides, there has been shortage of 170 MW from the central grid. Owing to steep fall, the SLDC has drastically reduced power allotment to escoms.

The Centre resorts to load shedding even without the knowledge the escoms. The Gescom has expressed its helplessness as control over load shedding was not in its hands.

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/80474/tamil-nadu-power-hunger-leaves.html

Source (http://bangalorebuzz.blogspot.com/2010/05/flush-with-funds-city-goes-back-to.html)

BJP came to power two years before and has not done enough to implement Sakrama scheme .
They wanted to use it for vote bank so they attempted to implement it just before BBMP election all vote bank politics , This has been hanging around since last three years and still common man has to wait
Now I doubt that this scheme will be implemented at all . or will it be kept for next assembly election

I am not what goverment has done after Court had given direction .

I still donot understand why DC converted sites and layout are registered in registrar office .

BJP came into power gave BDA sites to MLA s
after BBMP election councilers are asking for BDA sites in bangalore . See how BJP is ruling .

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2010/07/13/stories/2010071353900600.htm

Not a surprise with 7 lakh IT professionals paying IT tax properly, this data Clearly shows Blore has lots of HNI after Mumbai and Delhi beating Chennai, Hyd and Pune hands down. (did not put it in Chennai thread to avoid blore vs chennai debates)

Compared to Delhi and Bombay, I always wondered how come Blore real estate is cheap despite having such High Net worth individuals, Its a good thing so please don't start the city vs city war

What is the posh areas in Blore, what are price/per sq feet in those areas ?
Please don't quote some one off building where they command exhorbitant premium i am asking for somewhat luxury apartments by common brand named builders (sobha/mantri)

City has used up 200 pc of groundwater resources

Bangaloreans have used up around 200 per cent of groundwater resources, which includes both ‘dynamic’ as well as ‘static’ groundwater resources in the City.

Dynamic water level is the level which gets replenished every year during rains and static water level is the constant groundwater storage. According to the Central Ground Water Board (CGWB), Karnataka has utilised 70 per cent of its groundwater sources, whereas India as a whole has utilised 58 per cent of its groundwater reserve.

To contain rapid depletion and rampant pollution of groundwater sources, the Lok Adalat had called all top officials from Government departments, civic agencies including BBMP, BWSSB, BDA and others to save groundwater in the City under the guidance of CGWB scientists.

Environmentalist Yellappa Reddy who was also present at the meeting informed Deccan Herald that all the commissioners of different civic agencies were asked to submit a progressive report on August 30.

“Alarming results surfaced when CGWB scientists gave a presentation on the status of groundwater levels in the City and its quality. Commissioners of different civic agencies have already taken up the issue,” he said.

Indifferent to pollution

According to scientists at CGWB, people are indifferent to the pollution of groundwater. “People dump garbage inside dry wells and in the vicinity of borewell pumps which leads to groundwater contamination,” said a scientist.

Separate pipelines must be laid for stormwater and sewerage, as this is one of the major causes of groundwater pollution.

Tertiary treatment of sewerage water and systematic garbage disposal can help prevent contamination at source. Efforts should be directed towards recharging of water bodies, which would store water for longer duration thereby facilitating percolation of water, he added.

Regulation of source

“In addition to recharging, there is a dire need to stop overuse of borewells in the City. Groundwater regulation must be implemented immediately,” he informed. The scientist also pointed out that water consumption must be charged as ‘per capita consumption’ instead of slab-wise, which is being practiced now.

When BBMP Commissioner Siddaiah was questioned about the Palike’s efforts, he said the guidelines imparted by CGWB were being followed.

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/81062/city-has-used-up-200.html

^^ Actually bangalore has lot of land available free. While in South Mumbai and Delhi no free land for private real estate people. Bangalore can expand in all directions while Mumbai and Delhi cannot, so price here wont shoot up.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2010/07/13/images/2010071353900601.jpg

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2010/07/13/stories/2010071353900600.htm

Let me put data here:

1. Mumbai 27,673
2. Delhi 12,011
3. Bangalore 8,794
4. Chennai 5,282
5. Hyderabad 4,869
6. Pune 4,831
7. Calcutta 3,180
8. Ahmadabad 2,639

22 Hubli 937

Hubli is only other city in Karnataka to feature in list of 47 cities..

^^
They could have included credit extended by the banks in the cities instead of deposits. Credit is usually used for business activities / investments in the same region.

Credit coupled with non-corporate tax collections would be a better indicator of business potential.

Mumbai Economy thread has credit data.

Surprisingly, still Mumbai extends higher credit than the next 4 (put together) in the list: Delhi, Chennai, Bangalore and Kolkata in that order.

^^ Actually bangalore has lot of land available free. While in South Mumbai and Delhi no free land for private real estate people. Bangalore can expand in all directions while Mumbai and Delhi cannot, so price here wont shoot up.

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Not true for Delhi. Delhi can expand in all directions.

Real estate prices cannot be determined from tax collections. In fact it should be determined by tax evasions :)

^^The advantage of Bangalore and Delhi is that both have a circular form of development and not linear. It gives the cities flexibility of development, in a planned way, in four quadrants.

Delhi can expand, but slight handicap is that the land comes under different administrations/govts.

Already Delhi has expanded to Haryana & UP in the form of NCR.

Bangalore doesn’t have this handicap. It can spread in all directions, with plenty of land around, except south. South and East are fairly developed, now the turn is for the North. Soon West will also catch up. The NICE Corridor as well as BIDADI development would be the firsts in that lines.

^^ Actually bangalore has lot of land available free. While in South Mumbai and Delhi no free land for private real estate people. Bangalore can expand in all directions while Mumbai and Delhi cannot, so price here wont shoot up.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2010/07/13/images/2010071353900601.jpg


Let me put data here:

1. Mumbai 27,673
2. Delhi 12,011
3. Bangalore 8,794
4. Chennai 5,282
5. Hyderabad 4,869
6. Pune 4,831
7. Calcutta 3,180
8. Ahmadabad 2,639

22 Hubli 937

Hubli is only other city in Karnataka to feature in list of 47 cities..

So people in Mysore,Mangalore and belgaum are evading taxes??? :ohno: Or is it that they are less populated than Hubli-Dhawrad(the only other 10 lakh city in the state :bash:)

Bangalore doesn’t have this handicap. It can spread in all directions, with plenty of land around, except south. South and East are fairly developed, now the turn is for the North. Soon West will also catch up. The NICE Corridor as well as BIDADI development would be the firsts in that lines.

yes you are right sudheesh.....Bangalore has no problems in any direction....East or west north or south bengaluru all the way :banana:

So people in Mysore,Mangalore and belgaum are evading taxes??? :ohno: Or is it that they are less populated than Hubli-Dhawrad(the only other 10 lakh city in the state :bash:)

It depends on the industries and income levels. Am not sure of Hubli /Mangalore

But to give an idea, Mumbai and Bangalore, having more people in higher income brackets (Delhi too, but they are tax evaders), contribute more tax. But Chennai and Kolkata, have more people in lower income levels and hence contribute nil or less tax. But their economies are quite big and comparable to Bangalore as indicated by many other parameters - like credit, FMCG market etc.

And I think, they have clubbed nearby places under the head cities. Probably Hubli would have rich neighbourhood.

^^It says about the list of first 47 cities. That could be one reason other cities from KA doesn't feature in the list. Hubli-Dharwad U/A with 1 million population alone might have featured in that list.

^^The advantage of Bangalore and Delhi is that both have a circular form of development and not linear. It gives the cities flexibility of development, in a planned way, in four quadrants.

Delhi can expand, but slight handicap is that the land comes under different administrations/govts.

Already Delhi has expanded to Haryana & UP in the form of NCR.

Bangalore doesn’t have this handicap. It can spread in all directions, with plenty of land around, except south. South and East are fairly developed, now the turn is for the North. Soon West will also catch up. The NICE Corridor as well as BIDADI development would be the firsts in that lines.


There is no linkage between real estate prices and administrative units. People will move to nearby states if real estate prices are prohibitive, atleast in the case of NCR. Real estate prices are higher in Delhi (compared to Bangalore) because of natural demand.

^^It says about the list of first 47 cities. That could be one reason other cities from KA doesn't feature in the list. Hubli-Dharwad U/A with 1 million population alone might have featured in that list.

The list gives a field called Others and total for India. The rest of India does not contribute much to non corporate tax as they might be in lower income brackets or tax evaders.

And as I said earlier, they might have clubbed nearby areas

There is no linkage between real estate prices and administrative units. People will move to nearby states if real estate prices are prohibitive, atleast in the case of NCR. Real estate prices are higher in Delhi (compared to Bangalore) because of natural demand.

First of all, I was not commenting about the higher real estate cost in Delhi.

Man, I was saying about the 'land available for development'. It was a reply to your statement that Delhi has plenty of land available.

When you go across boundaries, there is indeed difference in policies, sops, etc.

On another note. till date Bangalore has the maximum supply and occupied 'office space', followed by Mumbai and Delhi. Mumbai may overtake Bangalore in 2011.

Ok. That is fine.

But my comment was in respect to the previous comment on real estate prices.

I also said the same thing. It has given the list of top 46 cities (Sorry I said as 47 earlier) and then grouped the rest as 'others'.

The list gives a field called Others and total for India. The rest of India does not contribute much to non corporate tax as they might be in lower income brackets or tax evaders.

BTW as a professional working in the real estate sector for the last 10 years, (leasing/ selling office/residential space), I would say that the prices in Mumbai and Delhi are exorbitantly high, when compared with the value of Indian rupee. Mumbai has one of the costliest real estate in the world.

As per Cushman & Wakefield research, Mumbai CBD has the third expensive office space in Asia Pacific in 2010, with an average rent of Euro 715.95/sqm/year, after Tokyo (1241.45) and Hongkong (1071.13). Delhi is next with 577.05. Seoul, Singapore, Sydney and Brisbane follow.

^^ nice to see Bangalore expanding, but something must be done about the commute. Even a minor distance takes an insanely long time, and for pedestrians it's hell. Bless those Volvos, they have made my daily commute much easier.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2010/07/13/stories/2010071353900600.htm

Not a surprise with 7 lakh IT professionals paying IT tax properly, this data Clearly shows Blore has lots of HNI after Mumbai and Delhi beating Chennai, Hyd and Pune hands down. (did not put it in Chennai thread to avoid blore vs chennai debates)

Actually this has been put in the Trichy thread and people are only talking of Trichy there. :D

Tamil Nadu power hunger leaves others in dark

Despite big bite for overdraft, it draws heavily

Subhash Chandra N S, Bangalore, July 9, DHNS:

A fairly good monsoon so far has not reduced power cuts in the State and the power sector says Tamil Nadu is to blame.

Sources in the power sector said the neighbouring State is overdrawing the power from central grid, depriving Karnataka of its share of power.

...

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/80474/tamil-nadu-power-hunger-leaves.html

There is a political reason for this - the present DMK Govt in TN may be forcing Center to get certain things done ahead of the state elections next year. Otherwise they may not return to power...already increasing prices are showing up. :lol::lol:

By the way, TN will have too many new power plants in 3 years and will once again be the only state in India which is not power deficient (something that was true 10 yrs ago) :). TN will also export power to other states. Until then, there will always be a tussle and someone has to yield due to the pressures from various quarters :ohno:. By the way, you can add 1 or 2 years to that deadline...coz its India! :lol::lol:

^^ same would be the case with Karnataka as well. Lots of power projects are under construction.

^^ same would be the case with Karnataka as well. Lots of power projects are under construction.

Power drawing is common, They will highlight in chennai media how karnataka over drew power so that people won't blame the govt and cant hate the other states , if you notice the data TN drew 600mw but AP and Kar got 100m watt less so what happen to other 400MW?

States need to work hard on building power projects for its economy to grow,

BTW as a professional working in the real estate sector for the last 10 years, (leasing/ selling office/residential space), I would say that the prices in Mumbai and Delhi are exorbitantly high, when compared with the value of Indian rupee. Mumbai has one of the costliest real estate in the world.

As per Cushman & Wakefield research, Mumbai CBD has the third expensive office space in Asia Pacific in 2010, with an average rent of Euro 715.95/sqm/year, after Tokyo (1241.45) and Hongkong (1071.13). Delhi is next with 577.05. Seoul, Singapore, Sydney and Brisbane follow.

Mumbai and Delhi are in the different league, But the CBD Bangalore for commercial and Posh residential areas in Blore are still cheaper around 9Kto10K per sq feet is a surprising fact

Blore has higher FDI than most other metros so this may be part of the reason.

First of all, I was not commenting about the higher real estate cost in Delhi.
Man, I was saying about the 'land available for development'. It was a reply to your statement that Delhi has plenty of land available.
When you go across boundaries, there is indeed difference in policies, sops, etc.

On another note. till date Bangalore has the maximum supply and occupied 'office space', followed by Mumbai and Delhi. Mumbai may overtake Bangalore in 2011.

Delhi cant expand i meant it will go out of jurisdiction. Delhi was given unfair advantage like zero transportation cost for petrol and diesel etc though it is far away from a port, the city given "state" stuatus with CM.

Mumbai maynot overtake bangalore in 'office space' as metro train service here will reduce bangalore traffic woes and pollution.

As for Hubli "region", I dont know if it includes belgaum too...
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2010/07/13/stories/2010071353900600.htm
Bareilly, Durgapur, Hubli, Jalpaiguri (the centre of West Bengal's tea industry), Nashik, Panchkula (a suburb of Chandigarh), Shillong, Thane and Tiruchi top the list of “overlooked” towns.

I also hope so, but that statement was made by Cushman & Wakefield Research who had also said about the total office supply in the top three destinations, Bangalore, Mumbai and NCR.

Mumbai maynot overtake bangalore in 'office space' as metro train service here will reduce bangalore traffic woes and pollution.

Mumbai and Delhi are in the different league, But the CBD Bangalore for commercial and Posh residential areas in Blore are still cheaper around 9Kto10K per sq feet is a surprising fact

Blore has higher FDI than most other metros so this may be part of the reason.

I am not undermining Bangalore. It is not just scarcity of land, but the profile of people in Mumbai and Delhi, which makes the real estate expensive. Otherwise, how can someone explain Rs.8000 per sqft (for a normal apartment) in Vashi (in the mainland of India), which has connectivity issues.

Mumbai and Delhi have high profile industialists /Bollywood and politicians/ beuracrats respectively, who could afford the expensive real estate in the prime locations of the city.

High average real estate rates in the whole of Mumbai is partly due to high income levels of professionals (finance, consulting, marketing etc) and partly due to land scarcity.

I am not undermining Bangalore. It is not just scarcity of land, but the profile of people in Mumbai and Delhi, which makes the real estate expensive. Otherwise, how can someone explain Rs.8000 per sqft (for a normal apartment) in Vashi (in the mainland of India), which has connectivity issues.

Mumbai and Delhi have high profile industialists /Bollywood and politicians/ beuracrats respectively, who could afford the expensive real estate in the prime locations of the city.

High average real estate rates in the whole of Mumbai is partly due to high income levels of professionals (finance, consulting, marketing etc) and partly due to land scarcity.

Vashi, Navi Mumbai is better address than Thane, despite connectivity issues :) Metro should shoot up the realty prices in Bangalore CBD and Indiranagar come 2010 december...

Is shooting up of realty prices a good sign???

Is shooting up of realty prices a good sign???

Not really.

I dont think a Metro could shoot up realty prices SIGNIFICANTLY if there is no purchasing power. It can just shoot up 10-20%

May be you are thinking that Bangalore could attract more high end services after Metro and hence get high purchasing power.

But all the metros are building it with Delhi already having a decent network. It is just that Bangalore may get it slightly earlier.

Is shooting up of realty prices a good sign???

Sometimes it's a good thing, if banks keep giving loans to every tom, dick and harry - soon there will come a time where they need to be subsidized by the govt to avoid bankruptcy...like it happened in Greece, US, UK etc.

Swanky bus stop at Kalasipalyam?
TNN, Jul 14, 2010, 04.11am IST

BANGALORE: Transport minister R Ashoka has promised a new-look bus station at Kalasipalyam.

"The bus stand is one of the first in Bangalore. It has a history of more than 70 years. Though efforts have been made for 20-30 years to modernize it, nothing has happened so far. We will take up the work for Rs 300 crore and complete the project in two years," he said after an inspection on Tuesday.

It will house a parking lot for cars and motorbikes. It will have a commercial complex, with space alloted for existing booking centres and private buses.

TOI (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/City/Bangalore/Swanky-bus-stop-at-Kalasipalyam/articleshow/6165047.cms)
Areas around Mysore road-KR market are the eye sore points in Bangalore,more demolitions and more construction is the need of the hour.:hammer:

Vashi, Navi Mumbai is better address than Thane, despite connectivity issues :) Metro should shoot up the realty prices in Bangalore CBD and Indiranagar come 2010 december...

In-fact having a metro should reduce the need for upper middle class folks to live close CBD, so the pressure of real estate and demand for central areas would reduce hence the price increase should be small unless its an exclusive neighborhood and usually the suburbs along the metro would increase

if you take Chennai, Poes Garden/Boat Club road are exclusive areas demands 15-22K per sq feet, Other Upmarket areas like Alwarpet, Nungambakkam, R. Puram commands 12-10k, and 10K-12K around Adayar/Besant Nagar, 8 to 10k in other Upper middle class areas, 6.5K and above for decent neighborhoods in south and central madras, you can't get into the core city (175 sq km) without paying anything less than 5500Rs and suburbs start with 3500, Sattelite areas like sriperumdur and kelambakkam, chengalpet you can get an apt from 1800Rs per sq feet. BTW This is after having extensive train network .North Madras is a different story where you can still get apts for 2500 but is considered as working class area and net migration is negative there
If you consider Mumbai posh areas goes from 50K to 1lach per sq feet, and upmarket areas from 10K, delhi 40K and upmarket areas in s.delhi around 10-15k

My observation with Bangalore realeste is little less around city is around 5k to 9k and suburbs from 3k to 4k, around 2k in sattelite areas like devanahalli/bidadi

As an Investor I think Bangalore is cheap compared to Mumbai/Delhi and even to some extent to Chennai but bangalore offers large scale of quality white collar people from all over India compared to Chennai and is probably on par with Delhi or Mumbai. I was trying to find a reason, My guess is may be combination of more FSI more builders may be area available to develop, less black money transactions etc..

^^
Those white collar people of Bangalore only increase the rentals. IMO, many of these people are yet to accept Bangalore as their base to buy a new home in Bangalore (There are people who are buying;but the proportion is less). But in case of Chennai, the demand for CBD (and in general) comes from the natives,who would have fond old memories of those places.

And one more important thing, the income levels of Bangalore(both legal and illegal combined) is nowhere comparable to Mumbai and Delhi. I would say, it is more comparable to Chennai/Hyd/Pune as most of them are working professionals with legal money.

And one more reason, Bangalore's earning professionals are relatively young; who can afford to spend on some luxury goods and high end services due to high disposable incomes. But when it comes to real estate, they cannot go by the current disposable income.

Swanky bus stop at Kalasipalyam?
TNN, Jul 14, 2010, 04.11am IST

TOI (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/City/Bangalore/Swanky-bus-stop-at-Kalasipalyam/articleshow/6165047.cms)
Areas around Mysore road-KR market are the eye sore points in Bangalore,more demolitions and more construction is the need of the hour.:hammer:

I would also add Shivaji Nagar, Ulsoor and Sultan palya to your list. Also I think multilevel car parking in different areas of the city is the need of the hour in Bangalore.

:cheers:

Is shooting up of realty prices a good sign???
I want realty price of CBD and Indira nagar to shoot up and up, and reduce elsewhere :cheers: For that they have to increase FSI around 5km radius around CBD ...


YELAHANKA NEW TOWN IS THE NEW PREMIUM ADDRESS
Realty prices in Bangalore are headed north. Literally. Sites in the once remote extension are sold at Rs 16,500 per sq ft, bringing it on par with the posh central business district
S ESHWAR & M K ASHOKA
Yelahanka New Town stunned Bangalore by matching up to the city’s swankiest neighbourhoods in property prices on Friday. At an auction, a square foot fetched Karnataka Housing Board an unbelievable Rs 16,500. Yelahanka New Town is close to the Bangalore airport, but the property sector is still debating how prices could have skyrocketed.
The nine commercial plots that went under the hammer measured 385 feet each —- just half the size of a single-bedroom flat! The transaction has not only changed price-dynamics in Bangalore’s realty sector, but also left KHB upbeat about its other auctions. While the going rate in the central business district is between Rs 15,000 and Rs 16,000, it is between Rs 7,000 and Rs 10,000 in the more densely populated Gandhinagar area near Majestic. “In fact, the base price fixed for the auction in Yelahanka New Town was Rs 3,000 to Rs 5,000, but what we got was much, much more,” a KHB official said. After KHB Commissioner M B Dyaberi and Minister Katta Subramanya Naidu gave KHB the go-ahead, its officials went ahead and cleaned up the plots and fenced them.


In-fact having a metro should reduce the need for upper middle class folks to live close CBD, so the pressure of real estate and demand for central areas would reduce hence the price increase should be small unless its an exclusive neighborhood and usually the suburbs along the metro would increase

if you take Chennai, Poes Garden/Boat Club road are exclusive areas demands 15-22K per sq feet, Other Upmarket areas like Alwarpet, Nungambakkam, R. Puram commands 12-10k, and 10K-12K around Adayar/Besant Nagar, 8 to 10k in other Upper middle class areas, 6.5K and above for decent neighborhoods in south and central madras, you can't get into the core city (175 sq km) without paying anything less than 5500Rs and suburbs start with 3500, Sattelite areas like sriperumdur and kelambakkam, chengalpet you can get an apt from 1800Rs per sq feet. BTW This is after having extensive train network .North Madras is a different story where you can still get apts for 2500 but is considered as working class area and net migration is negative there
If you consider Mumbai posh areas goes from 50K to 1lach per sq feet, and upmarket areas from 10K, delhi 40K and upmarket areas in s.delhi around 10-15k

My observation with Bangalore realeste is little less around city is around 5k to 9k and suburbs from 3k to 4k, around 2k in sattelite areas like devanahalli/bidadi

As an Investor I think Bangalore is cheap compared to Mumbai/Delhi and even to some extent to Chennai but bangalore offers large scale of quality white collar people from all over India compared to Chennai and is probably on par with Delhi or Mumbai. I was trying to find a reason, My guess is may be combination of more FSI more builders may be area available to develop, less black money transactions etc..


"Exclusive area" like yelahanka new town, 15km from CBD. I dont know why people are mad about yelahanka :nuts:

All most all buses on the Hanumanth nagar to Majestic route have been fitted with automated stop/destination yelling machine :lol:....It repeats in english after Kannada.

All most all buses on the Hanumanth nagar to Majestic route have been fitted with automated stop/destination yelling machine :lol:....It repeats in english after Kannada.

That is a feature of the pale blue JNNURM buses..

Truth Prevails ...
Namma Bangaluru has all Brainy people , well this is not me , its IAF top official word , we are best and good people now realising ...

Namma Bangaluru Best Bangaluru

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bangalore/Bangalores-where-all-the-brains-are-IAF-chief/articleshow/6178423.cms
Bangalore's where all the brains are: IAF chief

BANGALORE: "With all scientific institutions located in Bangalore, this city has all the brains and Delhi is now facing acute shortage of the same." This is what Air chief marshal P V Naik had to say at the DARE (Defence Avionics Research Establishment) Raising Day celebrations, an annual fest for the scientific community here on Friday.

^^Please give links when quoting news items like this.

Bangalore's where all the brains are: IAF chief

TNN, Jul 17, 2010,

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bangalore/Bangalores-where-all-the-brains-are-IAF-chief/articleshow/6178423.cms

Nanos may push autos out of B’lore (http://www.deccanherald.com/content/82061/nanos-may-push-autos-blore.html)

If the Bangalore Metropolitan Transport Corporation (BMTC) has its way, sleek Tata Nano cars will soon replace spluttering autorikshaws on Bangalore roads.

The government wants to provide safe local transport.To slowly phase out autorikshaws and to provide a safe local transport mechanism to the people, the government is contemplating buying 10,000 Nano cars to use them as city taxies.

“The government plans to allow people to ply these vehicles on lease. The BMTC will fix the meter and fares. It is only a loud thinking. Nothing has been decided as yet. The transport department will take everybody into confidence before taking any decision,” Transport Minister R Ashok told reporters on Saturday. Once the BMTC successfully implements this initiative, the idea of using taxi as a local mode of transport will catch up, the minister feels.
Autorikshaw drivers will be encouraged to run the car on lease and this will bring down the pollution level and traffic congestion, Ashok said.

As taxis are yet to catch up as a local mode of transport in Bangalore, autorikshaws are playing a dominant role in city traffic. There are about 50,000 autorikshaws in Bangalore.
“A Nano car costs Rs 1 lakh. The BMTC will easily get loans from financial institutions to buy 10,000 cars. It may cost around Rs 100 crore. The corporation is financially sound to buy cars on its own also,” he The government wants to provide safe local transport.stated.

Ashok, however, said if the government gives its approval, the Nano car service will be implemented in such a way that it does not affect those dependent on autorikshaws for their livelihood.

“Metro rail, once implemented, will considerably decongest Bangalore roads. Still, people need a local, efficient and safe local transport facility to at least reach Metro rail stations,” he said.

Nanos may push autos out of B’lore (http://www.deccanherald.com/content/82061/nanos-may-push-autos-blore.html)

This is a brilliant idea and I hope it materializes. I also hope they don't paint these nanos black like the autos.

Cheers.

^^ if it happens this will be the best thing to happen in Bangalore.

^^ That is great news...it will reduce the third world look of autos too.

Maximum Floor Area Ratio to be pegged at 2; It’s 4 for TDR optees
Development Plan to be amended to promote TDR
Bangalore, July 17, DHNS

The State Government is contemplating to amend Comprehensive Development Plan to provide maximum Floor Area Ratio of 4 to property owners opting for Transfer Development Rights Scheme.

Floor Area Ratio (FAR) is the ratio of total built up area to total area of the plot. It is calculated by dividing total area of site with total built up area. The height of a building depends on the percentage of built up area.

At present, the CDP allows maximum FAR of 4 in some pockets of Central Business Districts and all along the Metro rail alignment and surrounding areas of Metro rail stations, depending on the width of the road in front of a plot.

The Bruhat Bangalore Mahanagara Palike decides on the maximum FAR of a building based on the rules stipulated in the CDP. The maximum FAR in all zones of the City, will be limited to only 2.

The government, in order to promote the TDR scheme, is planning to provide a maximum FAR of 4 to only those who opt for the scheme and part with their land for development projects, including road widening.

Detrimental to growth

According to official sources, limiting the maximum FAR only for the TDA scheme will be against the vertical growth concept adopted in the CDP, on the lines of international cities like Paris and London. As land has become scarce around Bangalore, planners who prepared the CDP found the horizontal growth of the city, difficult. In fact, the CDP says that vertical growth in the only future for Bangalore.

Sources said the TDR scheme has no takers in Bangalore. Only 90 people (property losers) have opted for the scheme so far. “The BBMP has planned to widen many roads in Bangalore. So it is planning to offer FAR of 4. However, only large builders can utilise FAR 4 by constructing multi-storied complexes,” officials pointed out.
DHNS (http://www.deccanherald.com/content/82051/development-plan-amended-promote-tdr.html)

Bangalore in top blog’s must-visit list
Bangalore, July 18, DHNS

The Huffington Post, among the most influential newsblogs on the web, has listed Bangalore among 15 places that ''you should visit, or revisit, or at least consider visiting, over the course of the next decade.''

HuffPo, as it is known, covers politics, media, business, entertainment, living, style, the green movement, world news, and comedy, and is a top destination for news, blogs, and original content and has close to a million unique visitors a month. Among its 3,000 bloggers are the world’s top political figures including Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, top entertainment such as Robert Redford, Madonna and Mia Farrow, Nobel laureates, writers and fashionistas. Former minister of State for External Affairs Shashi Tharoor is an occasional contributor. “Buenos Aires, Krakow, Cambodia, Croatia -- these are just a few of the places that emerged as trendy, must-visit travel destinations during the first decade of the 21st century. So, where to this decade?” HuffPo asked in its World section and answered the question.

“In an attempt to tentatively answer that question, we’ve drawn up a list of 15 places we think you should visit, or revisit, or at least consider visiting, over the course of the next decade. (Needless to say, a better economy would make this seem slightly more feasible.) From China to Colombia, Bangalore to Belfast, each of the destinations on the list provide, in their own way, a glimpse of how the world is changing and where it is headed.”

Among the 15 top destinations for travellers it named were Chinese industrial hub Shen Zhen (China), Cuban cultural centre Santiago de Cuba, our own Bangalore, Mediterranean holiday spot Perast in in the Balkan republic of Montenegro, Northern Ireland capital Belfast, Thailand's emerging bearch resort of Koh Kut, the green friendly Abu Dhabi, Cartagena in Colombia known for its Spanish colonial architecture, South Korea's infrastructural marvel - Seoul, Copenhagen, the green and cool Danish capital, Arbil in Iraqi Kurdistan - one of the oldest continuously inhabited place on the planet, the 2016 Olympics host - Rio deJaneiro and the fast-melting Antarctica.

This is how HuffPo introduced Bangalore: "The "Silicon Valley" of India is the place to go to see the country's future. Energised by a thriving tech industry, Bangalore is full of young entrepreneurs, shopping, and nightlife. It's the perfect preview of where South Asia is heading in the 21st century."

Readers were asked to rate their preferences and the top spot went to Copenhagen with Shen Zhen bringing up the rear. Bangalore occupied one slot above last placed Shen Zhen but below Abu Dhabi. :nuts:
DHNS (http://www.deccanherald.com/content/82221/bangalore-top-blogs-must-visit.html)
Bangalore is country's future..Take It I will repeat again- What Bangalore thinks today rest of the country will think day after tomorrow. Enjoy...:cheers:

"Using One Bus Means 40 Less Cars On The Roads".

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Nanos may push autos out of B’lore (http://www.deccanherald.com/content/82061/nanos-may-push-autos-blore.html)If the Bangalore Metropolitan Transport Corporation (BMTC) has its way, sleek Tata Nano cars will soon replace spluttering autorikshaws on Bangalore roads.

The government wants to provide safe local transport.To slowly phase out autorikshaws and to provide a safe local transport mechanism to the people, the government is contemplating buying 10,000 Nano cars to use them as city taxies.

“The government plans to allow people to ply these vehicles on lease. The BMTC will fix the meter and fares. It is only a loud thinking. Nothing has been decided as yet. The transport department will take everybody into confidence before taking any decision,” Transport Minister R Ashok told reporters on Saturday. Once the BMTC successfully implements this initiative, the idea of using taxi as a local mode of transport will catch up, the minister feels.
Autorikshaw drivers will be encouraged to run the car on lease and this will bring down the pollution level and traffic congestion, Ashok said.

As taxis are yet to catch up as a local mode of transport in Bangalore, autorikshaws are playing a dominant role in city traffic. There are about 50,000 autorikshaws in Bangalore.
“A Nano car costs Rs 1 lakh. The BMTC will easily get loans from financial institutions to buy 10,000 cars. It may cost around Rs 100 crore. The corporation is financially sound to buy cars on its own also,” he The government wants to provide safe local transport.stated.

Ashok, however, said if the government gives its approval, the Nano car service will be implemented in such a way that it does not affect those dependent on autorikshaws for their livelihood.

“Metro rail, once implemented, will considerably decongest Bangalore roads. Still, people need a local, efficient and safe local transport facility to at least reach Metro rail stations,” he said.


Less govt intrusion in business the better. Govt should first think how to improve governance, investing in business is not its work. To nano become widely available, say waiting time less than 3 months, it will take at least 2 years more. Nonsense idea by minister Ashok.

His another blunder see here:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/City/Bangalore/Autorickshaw-unions-on-protest-mode/articleshow/6185250.cms
Autorickshaw unions on protest mode
TNN, Jul 19, 2010, 03.37am IST
BANGALORE: The transport department's directive to change the three-part windshield to single glass has drawn flak from autorickshaw drivers who have decided to stage a dharna on Monday.

More than 2,000 drivers will be part of the protest. Though six unions under the aegis of Autorickshaw Drivers' Organizations United Struggle Committee, are taking part, they have promised not to disrupt services in the city.

"The department hasn't given fitness certificate (FC) to at least 5,000 autorickshaws. Every year, we have to get the certificate from the RTO office. This time, they have refused to give the same asking us to change the windshield," M Manjunath, president of Adarsh Auto and Taxi Drivers' Union, said.

We throw old glasses to drain?? National waste :bash:
They recently stopped new autos with 2 stroke engine which is quite fine.

Bangalore in top blog’s must-visit list

DHNS (http://www.deccanherald.com/content/82221/bangalore-top-blogs-must-visit.html)
Bangalore is country's future..Take It I will repeat again- What Bangalore thinks today rest of the country will think day after tomorrow. Enjoy...:cheers:

With all the help from google, here is the original:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/22/places-to-visit-this-deca_n_423928.html?slidenumber=9ClLMBkZLHA%3D&slideshow#slide_image
huffingtonpost:

From China to Colombia, Bangalore to Belfast, each of the destinations on the list provide, in their own way, a glimpse of how the world is changing and where it is headed.
http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/4370/slide_4370_61403_large.jpg
The "Silicon Valley" of India is the place to go to see the country's future. Energized by a thriving tech industry, Bangalore is full of young entrepreneurs, shopping, and nightlife. It's the perfect preview of where South Asia is heading in the 21st century.

b/w metro is surely be an extremely efficient way of transport to Majestic and other ends of the city.
About BMTC -Majestic new station last news i heard was that tenders have been opened.
Has anyone tried the new bmtc website? www.bmtcinfo.com or even btis.in . They are too good. Although not giving you 100% information needed but still a good way to start.
btis - you get all the buses , bmtc site gives u volvo & vajra information -route search

b/w metro is surely be an extremely efficient way of transport to Majestic and other ends of the city.
About BMTC -Majestic new station last news i heard was that tenders have been opened.
Has anyone tried the new bmtc website? www.bmtcinfo.com or even btis.in . They are too good. Although not giving you 100% information needed but still a good way to start.
btis - you get all the buses , bmtc site gives u volvo & vajra information -route search

b/w metro is surely be an extremely efficient way of transport to Majestic and other ends of the city.
About BMTC -Majestic new station last news i heard was that tenders have been opened.
Has anyone tried the new bmtc website? www.bmtcinfo.com or even btis.in . They are too good. Although not giving you 100% information needed but still a good way to start.
btis - you get all the buses , bmtc site gives u volvo & vajra information -route search


Yes btis really helps. I recently used it and found it very helpful.

Naveen I am almost sure that even BEST cannot beat BMTC when it comes to innovative ideas be it the- Bus day,breathe easy campaign,Fleet of Volvos,TM's,KSRTC built fabulous - Buses@Kengeri,Hassan.

Guess which city can offer buses for all classes???
we have saarigae,vajra,vayu vajra,pushpak,parisara vahini,BIG 10 etc etc.....

No transport corporation in India can beat BMTC,wait for the 1400 crore bus terminal in Majestic. :banana2:

BEST isn't BEST when compared with BMTC :lol:

+1 they make profits too....

b/w whats the status on Sub-Urban Rail ? Last we heard from KHMuniyappa & M.Banarjee that they would start chugging from Anekal to Yeshwantpur by March 2010.
These would really help de-congest Bangalore roads.

THankyou :banana: I think you forget to add Sandal wood

Interesting. I probably have a blocked nose.


By the way, the bus stop announcement facility in buses is underway. There is a kannada announcement (male voice) followed by an english one (over-excited female voice). Barring a few occasions where the announcement was made after the bus crossed the stop, it was pretty good. Though it might be an irritant on long journeys, it's pretty useful.

Sadly, it did not announce that the bus would drop me in the middle lane of the silk board flyover. Thankfully the flyover was resembling a parking lot then, so I could squeeze my way down the flyover and across the road.

I think they need not repeat the stop names. It would just be a repetition as nouns wont change by language :-)

By the way, the bus stop announcement facility in buses is underway. There is a kannada announcement (male voice) followed by an english one (over-excited female voice). Barring a few occasions where the announcement was made after the bus crossed the stop, it was pretty good. Though it might be an irritant on long journeys, it's pretty useful.

That's been around for a while now. Interestingly only on the MPs and new JNNURM non-AC buses, but not Vajras (no idea about VVs).

BTW, I have heard the male and female voices interchanged in some buses (I feel the female voice does a better job in English). Gets annoying on long journeys, though :nuts:

Sadly, it did not announce that the bus would drop me in the middle lane of the silk board flyover. Thankfully the flyover was resembling a parking lot then, so I could squeeze my way down the flyover and across the road.

The more BMTC changes, the more it remains the same. :lol::lol:

I think they need not repeat the stop names. It would just be a repetition as nouns wont change by language :-)

Actually, just before announcing the stop name, they also announce the words "the next stop is" in English and "mundhina nildhana" in Kannada. Hence the need for repetition.

^^ The bus I am talking about is a Vajra.

Only display is enough.. voice is not required, only that they have to put 3-4 display boards inside the bus, with both front and back display in a single board. No more annoyance :)

for the blind ? b/w whats the use of repeating the area names which would not change?
I guess people can manage with "Mundina Nildana" and also display.

Mfar Constructions Pvt Ltd has bagged the prestigious international award instituted by British Safety Council, the world's leading health and safety organization. Mfar Constructions Pvt Ltd becomes the first construction company of Karnataka to receive such a prestigious accolade.

The British Safety Council's International Safety Award is conferred following rigorous and independent assessment of an organization's health and safety policies and procedures by an adjudication panel.

Speaking on the occasion, BK Dhar, CEO, Mfar Constructions Pvt Ltd, said, "We are delighted at receiving this award from the prestigious British Safety Council. This award places us amongst internationally recognized organizations and demonstrates our continued hard work and contribution to sustain our health and safety culture for our workers and employees."

To ensure the safety of its employees, the company periodically reviews the safety management systems and addresses potential major hazards to ensure risks are reduced and, wherever possible, eliminated. Having observed that a high percentage of accidents were triggered by the unsafe behavior of workers, the company has developed a training system.

The training spans work culture, material handling and personal protective equipment, such that workers feel safe and are equipped with the relevant knowledge on how to stay safe and healthy at work.

Julie Nerney, Chief Executive of the British Safety Council, said, "For more than 50 years, the British Safety Council has led the way in promoting health, safety and environmental best practice in society. In the 21st century, many organizations worldwide are understanding making health, safety and environmental management their top priority. Through achieving an International Safety Award, Mfar Constructions Pvt Ltd is helping to make our vision of a healthy and safe working environment a reality."

Construction Week Online (http://www.constructionweekonline.in/article-6616-mfar_gets_british_safety_councils_accolade/)

http://www.mfarconstructions.com/contactus.html

TN to get 42 new engineering colleges
D Suresh Kumar, TNN, Jul 9, 2010, 03.32am IST
CHENNAI: Tamil Nadu is in for a round of massive expansion in technical education with the All India Council for Technical Education (AICTE) on Thursday approving 42 new self-financing engineering colleges. Now the state is just two short of 500 engineering colleges; only Andhra Pradesh boasts of a higher number.

With this, the cumulative number of seats in undergraduate courses in engineering colleges in Tamil Nadu will go up to a mind-boggling 1,85,525, an increase of 10,080 from the previous year. In addition to this, 21 deemed universities offer engineering courses with no restriction on the intake of students.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/TN-to-get-42-new-engineering-colleges/articleshow/6145258.cms

AICTE new approvals: Karnataka may offer 1,980 seats to engineering aspirants


Bangalore, 5th July: All India Council for Technical Education (AICTE) has approved seven new engineering colleges in the State thus adding over 1,000 seats to the number of seats to be offered under the government quota through the Karnataka Examinations Authority. Higher Education Minister Arvind Limabavali said here on Monday that at least 50 per cent of the intake in these colleges will be available under government quota.

The new colleges are
Sampoorna Group of Institutions, Channapatna (300 seats);
Kammavari Sangam Group of Institutions, Bangalore (300);
Jain College of Engineering, Belgaum (300);
Veerappa Misty Engineering College, Shorapur, Yadgir (240);
Gokula Engineering College for Women, Gulbarga (300);
AGM Rural College of Engineering and Technology, Varur, Dharwad (300); and
Gopalan College of Engineering and Management, K.R. Puram, Bangalore (240).
http://www.c2clive.com/latestnewsdetail.php?id=1585

TN gets 42, karnataka gets 7. And andhra has more than TN already! Now you know why less k'taka people in IT...

Education is on recession proof industry , but i don't know how do they add 1,85,000 Science grads to a BE school? B/w TN/AP population is more than Karnataka. And TN has less area than Karnataka yet more population so you can understand why more Tamil people in Bangalore and IT.

State Andhra Pradesh Population 76,210,007 (5th) Density277 /km2 (717 /sq mi) Area275045 km2 (106195 sq mi) (4th largest)
State Tamil Nadu Population 66,396,000 (7th) Density511 /km2 (1,323 /sq mi) Area130058 km2 (50216 sq mi) (11th largest)
State Karnataka Population 52,850,562 (9th) Density275.6 /km2 (714 /sq mi) Area191976 km2 (74122 sq mi)[2] (8th largest)
State Kerala Population 31,841,374[1] (12th) Density819 /km2 (2,121 /sq mi) Area38863 km2 (15005 sq mi)

BDA plans vertical housing projects
Sandeep Moudgal Bangalore, July 22, DHNS

The City may grow taller in the coming years with the Bangalore Development Authority (BDA) planning vertical group housing projects to accommodate its expanding population.

The BDA’s new proposal to construct townships of multi-storeyed apartments have received support from several administrative quarters and the agency plans to try it out in its next project, the Nadaprabhu Kempegowda Layout.

Depending on its success there, the BDA will move ahead with the proposal in its future projects.According to the new BDA commissioner Bharat Lal Meena, the BDA board has been thinking of introducing vertical growth in its proposed layouts. “There is a general perspective over forming these townships in the layouts,” he said.

Group housing is being seen as a solution to many of the City’s infrastructure woes. For A Ravindra, advisor to the Chief Minister on Urban Affairs, vertical growth is a “necessary” option.

“We have been advising the BDA to go forth with this idea to ensure that there is enough housing for people and a proper planning for further growth of the City,” he said.

Ravindra said the sprawling growth of the City needs to be controlled for better planning. As the City expands, the land price also shoots up. A group housing plan can check this and bring about a planned urban structure. The success of the group housing project in the next BDA layout would pave the way for a more concrete urban infrastructure, the CM’s advisor said. “We are still thinking of this at the official level. Once a concrete formulation comes into picture, we will get the necessary approval for the pilot project,” he said.

Based on how the pilot project fares in the Nadaprabhu Kempegowda Layout, the BDA plans to try it out in its upcoming four layouts, Dr Shivram Karanth layout being the next.
DHNS (http://www.deccanherald.com/content/83253/bda-plans-vertical-housing-projects.html)

Some sense

^^ Righ move. A layout should have both highrise apartments as well as rowhouses.

Education is on recession proof industry , but i don't know how do they add 1,85,000 Science grads to a BE school? B/w TN/AP population is more than Karnataka. And TN has less area than Karnataka yet more population so you can understand why more Tamil people in Bangalore and IT.

State Andhra Pradesh Population 76,210,007 (5th) Density277 /km2 (717 /sq mi) Area275045 km2 (106195 sq mi) (4th largest)
State Tamil Nadu Population 66,396,000 (7th) Density511 /km2 (1,323 /sq mi) Area130058 km2 (50216 sq mi) (11th largest)
State Karnataka Population 52,850,562 (9th) Density275.6 /km2 (714 /sq mi) Area191976 km2 (74122 sq mi)[2] (8th largest)
State Kerala Population 31,841,374[1] (12th) Density819 /km2 (2,121 /sq mi) Area38863 km2 (15005 sq mi)

Friend, Tamil people in B'lore is not because of IT. They were there right from British days when they were in large numbers until the Cantonment area. Even after the states were re-organized, Tamil people continued to live there. Moreover, Tamils are found in large numbers in all scientific institutions in the country - one more reason for finding more Tamils in Blore.

My friends in IT have told me that in IT, from S.India, Telugus and Tamils are in large numbers. They also told me that among the IT folks who come to the US, the descending order of head-count is is Telugus, Tamils, N.Indians (and Mallus) and finally Kannadigas. My Kannada friend tells me that it is the less population of Kannadigas that is a reason for this.

^^ Bangalore is geographically closer to tamil nadu and andhra more than karnataka itself :) Tamils are more urbanised and better in education, Karnataka caught up late. Now there are enough engineering colleges in Ktaka, spread in NK too. But outsiders who do business here learn kannada while IT folks need not learn.

^^ To add to what you have said...IT companies in Chennai have Tamils employed the most. The ones in Hyd has Telugus employed the most. The ones in B'lore have Telugus, Tamils, Kannadigas, Mallus and N.Indians employed the most (this is hearsay). Its like the other state folks are employed in their own states plus employed in B'lore. I think this is not the case with Kannadigas as they are seldom found outside of their state especially in S.India (this is my observation).

^^ when there are so many oppurtunities in the home state :cheers:, not many would go outside.

Bangalore is bigger, so we dont need to go elsewhere.

As for foreign MNCs, bangalore has 44% manpower, followed by NCR, Mumbai and then chennai and hyd. Last Saturday TOI, times business 2nd page no. 24.

http://lite.epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/TOIBG/2010/07/24/24/Img/Pc0240700.jpg

Bangalore 44%
NCR Delhi 21%
Mumbai & Pune 16%
Chennai 10%
Hyderabad 7%


MNC captives: 22% of IT-BPO industry

Research & Development Captives Estimated To Have Saved $40 Billion For Parent Company In Last 3 Years

TIMES NEWS NETWORK

Bangalore: The size of the MNC captives sector stands at $11.1 billion,almost 22% of the total IT-BPO industry export revenues,according to a report released by Nasscom,in association with Zinnov Consulting.
The report said India currently boasts of over 750 captives that employ 4 lakh employees. Over 100 captives employ more than 1,000 people.
The report said captives in India are transitioning from being cost centres for their parent companies to centers of excellence,providing higher value and efficiency propositions.The most significant contribution for the captive sector has been the establishment of a design-led engineering services sector.Currently,there are over 500 captives that undertake engineering and design services across industry verticals.Out of these,over 200 engineering R&D captives have been established over the last three years highlighting the R&D and product culture initiated by these captives,which has in turn led to development of affordable products for emerging markets, Nasscom said.
The continuous expansion of services portfolios is also seen to have led to building new skills sets within the sector such as consulting;knowledge based services,research and analytics and end-to-end design.As a result,captives currently account for 50% of total knowledge based revenues from India which has significantly contributed to India emerging as a knowledge hub.
Pari Natarajan,CEO of Zinnov,said R&D centres in India have helped the parent organizations save a cumulative $40 billion over the last three years.To estimate that,Zinnov assumed that the per person cost in India was about $40,000 per annum,versus $150,000-200,000 in the US and Europe;and that Indian professionals were about 70% as productive as their Western counterparts.
Som Mittal,president,Nasscom,said,Texas Instruments set up the first captive centre and completes 25 years in India.Through this journey,captives have followed an evolution path with different business models,service delivery and leveraging India as an innovation hub for emerging economies.However,going forward,it would be important for the parent companies to empower the local management,not only to derive full value,but also to ensure that the captive can exercise sufficient flexibility when required.
Many captives follow similar models and processes as their headquarters which are sometimes sub optimal in the Indian context leading to cost inefficiencies,low productivity and lack of innovation,the report said.The report suggests that global processes must be localized giving more decision making capability to the centre while maintaining global practices.

So bangalore has 44% of 4 lakh (around 2 lakh) working in local subsidiaries (51%+ owned by a foreign corporation) of foreign MNCs (headquartered mostly US and EU per first pie chart).

Vivek’s is a story of hope; of a poor boy launching an ambitious IT startup
He is the Bill Gates of backward Bidar
Debi Prasad Sarangi, July 25, Bangalore:

There is something about R P Vivek that reminds of one William Henry Gates III, aka Bill Gates.

Gates was a computer whizzkid. So is Vivek. Gates started a garage startup, now known as Microsoft when he was 20. Vivek, 18, has started a venture Oxitech which threatens to make waves in the software ocean soon.

The comparison stops there. Gates came from a comfortable American middle class home with a rich lawyer father who could afford to allow young Gates to indulge in his passion for computing.

Vivek’s father owns a small eatery, and the boy could afford to buy his own computer just two years ago. Gates came from a big city, Seattle. Vivek is from the backward town of Bidar.

His is in an inspiring saga, of an ordinary person rising above his humble origins.
Besides being constrained by poverty and educated in Kannada medium and being from a rural background, with a rudimentary knowledge of English, Vivek has considerably mastered the art of web designing.

At nine, like any other kid, Vivek loved playing computer games. That hobby got Vivek hooked on to computers. He got more and more intrigued by the machine and the curiosity got the better of him.

Unable to even purchase a computer of his own, nor able to afford books and study material to master the subject, for him cyber cafes were his school and laboratory. Enrolling his name in a computer institute was unthinkable.

He chose web-designing as his area of interest. For five painful years he learnt the basics such as HTML and Java. A disciplined young man, he mastered his chosen calling the hard way, digging up knowledge through books and surfing the search engines.

“I used to google-search and apply my findings, all this - in an internet cafe,” says Vivek. At 15, he was a freelance web designer. His hard work landed him his first web designing project for an education institution. He successfully completed his project in a stretch of five-days, toiling away in a cyber cafe. That got him Rs 8,000, his first earning.
There was no turning back after that. He conceived his brainchild - Oxitech in 2008, and now caters to 35 clients.

First operating system
Having learnt from his experiences, Vivek wants to make things easy for those who cannot afford to own a computer. The hardships he faced during his first assignment inspired him to launch his ambitious online operating system. The system will be operational within a month’s time and according to him, is the first in its kind in the country.

“Users can type www.oxios.net in the URL and log into the system where they can store and manage online an entire database like a movie folder, music folder, wordpad or a power point presentation, with a specific account provided by our company. It enables people without computers to save files in a cyber cafe,” says Vivek.
“When I used to work in a cyber cafe, every time I would save some important file or script regarding my project, the cyber cafe owner would delete them. This is the reason why I am so attached to this project,” he says.
DH News Service (http://www.deccanherald.com/content/83873/he-bill-gates-backward-bidar.html)

Son of the soil
Green card holder Mysorean returns to green pastures
Manish, July 25, DHNS, mysore:

Chida Shivanna’s transition from a software company founder in the United States to the CEO of a dairy farm near here has been remarkable.

“It was always my dream to have a modern dairy farm,” Shivanna, who is among a crop of enterprising Indians who are quitting the comforts and prospective citizenship in the US to relocate to India, told Deccan Herald.

Founder of a software firm in Seattle, Shivanna, had earlier returned to India to start a branch of his company in Mysore city. But today, he has given up a plush home and other attendant comforts taken up the challenge of running Oxygen Acres, an organic farm on the outskirts of the city dedicated to providing high-quality organic milk.

Shivanna’s return also suggests just how much has changed over the years in Karnataka’s second city. Shivanna went to the US nearly 15 years ago to complete his higher education. Subsequently, he started working for a multi-national company. Later, he and four others started their own software firm. A few years ago, he returned to open a branch of his own software firm in the city. Once operations of the firm were on track, he began to work towards developing an organic farm.

Shivanna, who intends to promote employment to locals in rural areas, says the 10-acre land in Mysore was always at the back of his mind even when he lived in the US.
“I visited dairy farms in the US and learnt how they ran them. I had no idea about cattle and learnt everything about maintaining a farm from scratch.” Reminiscing the way he started in 2007, Shivanna said that the land was barren and he had to flatten it and carve out plots. At the same time, he started fencing the area due to “trouble” from the neighbours.

“Initially, the farmers here thought that some guy from America with no idea about farming had come to waste his time. But after seeing our dedication, their attitude changed.” By 2009, he started growing grass for cattle. The farm now has 28 cows and eight calves. He plans to launch the supply of organic milk to the city from August 1.
The USP will be “high-quality organic milk in sealed containers”. He uses re-usable containers as Shivanna feels plastic packets would end the whole idea of organic farming. Buyers can register through the website www.oxygenacres.com. “It’s a pre-paid service,” Shivanna says. People need to pay in advance for a month’s supply of organic milk. He adds that milk will be supplied to areas near Ballal circle, Saraswathipuram, Yadavgiri during morning and to areas surrounding Siddhartha Nagar and JSS Layout in the evening.

Now, eight people work on the farm. Shivanna’s next aim is to install a bio-gas plant to cater to cooking, water-heating and electricity needs of the farm and make it a self-sufficient dairy unit.
DH News Service (http://www.deccanherald.com/content/83887/green-card-holder-mysorean-returns.html)

The 100th batch of students, freshers will plant about 1,000 saplings
Green canopy is IISc’s gift to City
Subhash Chandra N S, July 25, Bangalore:

The Indian Institute of Science, which is celebrating its centenary this year is all set to gift Bangaloreans with more green cover.

The 100th batch of students, the freshers, who will be admitted during this year will plant about 1,000 saplings of various species.

The 845 students of IISc (505 researchers and 340 M Tech students) will have memorable first day admission into the India's best-known research institution, where they will be a part of a programme contributing to the much-needed greenery of the City.
The students will be planting indigenous sapling from the Western Ghats.
“It will be plant and adopt a tree programme to generate a healthy native population of trees within the campus,” said Dr T V Ramachandra, Senior Scientist, Energy and Wetlands Research Group, Centre for Ecological Sciences, IISc, the man behind the event.

Dr Ramachandra, who did most of the planting at the mini forest in the Institute says that such events will give a feeling of something belonging to them apart from creating a healthy atmosphere.

Of the 1,000 saplings brought to the campus, 600 saplings of 30 species are from Uttara Kannada and 200 saplings of 12 species are the contribution of forest department.
The eight hectares of the Jubilee Gardens will brace up for the event, which will continue for three days. Each student will be given a sapling to plant. The sapling will bear a tag of the person who planted it along with the significance and other details of the species.
The sapling will be planted in such manner that it will appear as a ‘multi-tier canopy’ which resembles an umbrella with varying heights after its complete growth. The name of the students who participated in the event will be recorded in a registry and a green card will be issued to them.

“The students can supervise the nurturing of the saplings,” said Dr Ramachandra. The Institute had earlier on June 5, 2010 had planted 600 saplings as part of World Environment Day.

The programme will begin on July 28 and will be inaugurated by Prof Balaram, Director, IISc and will be a three-day event.
DH News Service (http://www.deccanherald.com/content/83892/green-canopy-iiscs-gift-city.html)

^^ when there are so many oppurtunities in the home state :cheers:, not many would go outside.

That's right. However, my point was that there are way too many opportunities there that locals can't fill up. Added to these, the population of locals was less before all these thing started giving room for others to come in and fill the space.

Guys chill out...

Bangalore is the most cosmopolitan city of India. The demographical split is almost like this: Kannadigas: 40%, Tamils: 20%, Telugus: 13%, Malayalees: 10%, North Indians: 7%, Rest (including foreigners): 10%.

There is a point in what chennaiindian said..

First of all majority of Tamils are not recent migrants, but settlers who came with British. You can clearly see the pattern of demography. The centre of british was around the contonment area, the south parade (the present MG road), areas like brigade road and most of the 'english' named places. Ulsoor, on its eastern side was mainly a Tamil settlement area. The Kannadiga settlement were on the north eastern areas like Malleswaram. They speak in Tamil (between themselves) and in Kannada with others.

Telugus are also settled here for years, may be from the last century. They are more powerful as land owners, realtors, builders, politicians, local netas etc etc. 'Reddy' is a powerful surname with most of politicians, (both local and state level) developers, liqour barons among them

Majority of Tamils & Telugus are not much distinguishable in the crowd, as they are 'locals' and speak Kannada like other Kannadigas.

The new face of Bangalore which sprang up in the last two decades are all around the south and east areas, now spreading towards north east. Here most of the recent migrations happened and majority of new apartments/malls sprang up and saw settlement by others including malayalees, north indians and rest of India.

Regarding job scenario also, you can see this split, or more numbers skewed against the local population. See, in a brick and mortar industry like mine also, you see more of non kannadigas than kannadigas. It could be more pronounced in IT/ITES/R &D sector.

Nanos will not replace autos in Bangalore!
By Staff Reporter Published: July 22 2010

Transport minister R. Ashok recently announced that Tata Nano cars would soon replace autos on Bangalore roads. But just four days after the minister has realized his gaffe and has said that this project might not take off in Bangalore.


Just four days ago, Transport minister R Ashok announced that the government was contemplating buying 10,000 Nano cars to use them as city taxies but now he’s backtracked his statements and has said that this project might not take off in Bangalore due to various issues. It is learnt that officials have pointed out to the minister that his announcement was in violation of the Transparency Act and could be construed as an act of favoritism.

Transport department officials have gone into damage control mode, saying the minister was misguided by aides who were not aware of the rules governing procurement of vehicles under the Act. They have also claimed that his statement on the purchase of Nano cars was distorted by the media.
...

http://www.mybangalore.com/article/0710/nanos-will-not-replace-autos-in-bangalore-.html

For good. Lesser govt interference in private business better the India.

check today's TOI for more details

Students give city a thumbs up
Preferred Destination For Engineering, Science And Management Streams
Shruthi Balakrishna | TNN

Bangalore: That youths love Bangalore is a known fact. The reputation got another thumping endorsement from students for its engineering, science and management courses.
An ‘Education hot-spot in India’, a survey by education portal Minglebox.com, shows Bangalore as the preferred destination for 28% students who want to study science, 29% for engineering and 20% for MBA. Delhi was voted the best destination for medicine, arts and commerce while Bangalore stood second for medicine.




http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/getimage.dll?path=TOIBG/2010/07/27/5/Img/Pc0050900.jpg

British firm expanding back office unit in Karnataka town
2010-07-27 10:30:00


British business process outsourcing (BPO) firm Xchanging Plc is expanding its back office operations to a 2,000 seat facility at Shimoga in central Karnataka, a company official has said.

'We will sign an agreement with the state government in the presence of British Prime Minister David Cameron and Karnataka Chief Minister B.S. Yeddyurappa Wednesday here to set the 2,000-seat processing centre at Shimoga,' Xchanging India chief financial officer Sri Krishna told IANS.

Cameron will be in Bangalore with a high-profile delegation on his maiden official visit to India after he assumed office in May to visit IT bellwether Infosys Technologies and defence behemoth Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) in the city.

The centre will be located on a six-acre land in the new special economic zone (SEZ) at Shimoga, the home town of Yeddyurappa and the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP)'s state unit president K.S. Eshwarappa.

'We will be the first multinational to set up such a green technology based centre in a tier-three location to grow our presence in the Indian sub-continent,' Krishna said, but did not disclose the proposed investment in the new facility.

The London-based BPO firm has been operating at Shimoga, about 270 km from this tech hub, from rented premises since 2008, employing about 300 youngsters from the region.

Xchanging founder and chief executive David Andrews will also be present on the occasion with his Indian subsidiary managing director Nimesh Soni.

As one of the leading business processors, the 750 million pound back office firm also operates from Bangalore, Chennai and Gurgaon in the National Capital Region.

'We provide non-voice based back office services spanning procurement, accounting, human resources and technology across industry verticals, including banking, insurance, manufacturing, retail and real estate,' Krishna said.

Combining functional expertise with domain knowledge, the company also offers industry-specific outcomes to its clients across 42 countries through an 8,000-strong workforce.

sify (http://sify.com/finance/british-firm-expanding-back-office-unit-in-karnataka-town-news-default-kh1k4bffgbf.html)

My post seems to have been deleted.

I'll ask it again- when do the BMTC buses hit the roads and till when do they ply ? For it is difficult to find buses after 9.30pm.

^^Yaar, you ask questions seperately.., just like you have done now.

Your that question had parts of reply to another series of conversations which I deleted.

Guys chill out...

Bangalore is the most cosmopolitan city of India. The demographical split is almost like this: Kannadigas: 40%, Tamils: 20%, Telugus: 13%, Malayalees: 10%, North Indians: 7%, Rest (including foreigners): 10%.


I dont think this data is reliable. :ohno: I would be happy if i can get such a nice breakup of population, which sum up exactly to 100%.

Bad road humps will go
TNN, Jul 28, 2010, 01.54am IST

BANGALORE: The government is planning to remove unscientific road humps in the state.

After a meeting with officials of public works, police and urban development departments on Tuesday, home minister V S Acharya said the three agencies will coordinate while laying humps. "There are thousands of unscientific road humps in Bangalore and on national and state highways. We will remove them and build fresh ones as per specifications,'' he said.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bangalore/Bad-road-humps-will-go/articleshow/6224958.cms

Now govt knows at least. Parabola should be the shape of humps.

People in A/C car should not feel the road humps all over :) Now that is scientific!

People in A/C car should not feel the road humps all over :) Now that is scientific!

Do A/c have anything to do with negotiating a hump?:)

The humps in Old Airport Road near HAL are already made flatter. Now you nicely drive over that. No need to brake much once you floor the pedal in the slight descent after HAL Main gate. Any your car will feel a slight throw up in the second hump.

I dont think this data is reliable. :ohno: I would be happy if i can get such a nice breakup of population, which sum up exactly to 100%.

Which number you have doubt, that of Malayalees and North Indians? BTW I got this split from a Coffee Table Book on Bangalore, forgot the publisher. Anyway the count totals to 100%, right?

In the Malayalam dailies being published from Bangalore, I have read that as of now there are about 14 lakhs malayalees in Bangalore. If that is the case, then the percentage would be more. And there are people like me who have not appeared in any official records like ration card or census data or even ‘contact address’. So actual numbers could be more.

I think Wikipedia was quoting the number of Kannadigas in Bangalore as between 30-45%. I have also seen reports saying there are 25% Tamils in Bangalore.

Some info I got from internet. The numbers slightly vary..

'Bangalore has only 41% of local population(i.e.Kannadigas). Hence a true cosmopolitan with around 21% Tamilians, 15% Telugites, 11% Keralites, 6% Europeans, 6% a mixture of all races.'
http://www.discoverbangalore.com/FantasticFacts.htm


'In Bangalore there are people speaking languages such as Kannada 31%, Tamil 27%, Telugu 17%, Malayalam 15%, other languages 10%'
http://www.worldcityphotos.org/India/IND-Bangalore.htm

'Bangalore has only 42% of local population (i.e. Kannadigas). Hence a true cosmopolitan with around 20% Tamilians, 13% Telugites, 10% Keralites, 8% European-origin, 7% from other parts of India'.

http://www.ourkarnataka.com/states/bangalore/blore_facts.htm

I think Bengaluru is fine with migrating population until the infrastructure sustains it & people live in harmony. Full Stop.

Rgds,
N

^^ Well put.

when do the BMTC buses hit the roads and till when do they ply ? For it is difficult to find buses after 9.30pm.

I do not know about the bus services and their timings, but I have seen local buses being parked in the local bus stand near my home by 9.45 PM to 10.15 PM. Not sure about the main routes/Volvos etc.

My post seems to have been deleted.

I'll ask it again- when do the BMTC buses hit the roads and till when do they ply ? For it is difficult to find buses after 9.30pm.

Few long distance buses start as early as 4.30-5 in the morning. other regular routes start at 6 AM .
Same is the case in the night aswell. regular routes operate till 10.

I think Bengaluru is fine with migrating population until the infrastructure sustains it & people live in harmony. Full Stop.

Rgds,
N

This is true all over India and not just Blore. People migrate only when they see a need - jobs, improved life style etc. So, whichever place provides these, people would go there. Moreover, this is guaranteed to us by our Constitution and not a gift given by the 'locals' of that particular place - this truth applies everywhere - in Blore, Chn, Hyd, Bombay, Delhi etc. :)

I think Bengaluru is fine with migrating population until the infrastructure sustains it & people live in harmony. Full Stop.

Rgds,
N

Bangalore is the migration magnate,it needs a special treatment from the center,it has emerged as number one city of the south.

Coming to infrastructure spending the GOK is going for the PPP,which i feel is a good step,BIAL - first PPP airport and now HSRL great :banana:

Trend setter- Bangaluru

Which number you have doubt, that of Malayalees and North Indians? BTW I got this split from a Coffee Table Book on Bangalore, forgot the publisher. Anyway the count totals to 100%, right?

In the Malayalam dailies being published from Bangalore, I have read that as of now there are about 14 lakhs malayalees in Bangalore. If that is the case, then the percentage would be more. And there are people like me who have not appeared in any official records like ration card or census data or even ‘contact address’. So actual numbers could be more.

I think Wikipedia was quoting the number of Kannadigas in Bangalore as between 30-45%. I have also seen reports saying there are 25% Tamils in Bangalore.

Some info I got from internet. The numbers slightly vary..

Its funny some of those say 6 to 8% europeans, bangalore does not have 4+ lakhs Europeans.
In India people will claim huge numbers, I remember in TN, for reservation each caste claimed some numbers when we added it up it was more than 10 times the population. No body knows the real number of migrant speakers, only thing we can be certain is the population change between 1991 to 2011 will have more migration outside of karnataka into bangalore.

^^I also don't think about the numbers put for 'people of european origin', thats why in my post I had mentioned as 'rest'. (other than Kannadigas, tamils, telugus, malayalees, northindians (read hindi speaking) etc). I am not sure whether they have put Anglo Indians and the like also in that category.

Anyway there are a lot of foriegners in Bangalore, as CEOs, professionals, consultants, students etc. My organisation, eventhough in the real estate industry also have two europeans as employees.

I also see a lot of middle east/Africans who are here as students. Recently two iranian girls were in the news for a drunken drive late night and attacking police when they were stopped.

^^I also don't think about the numbers put for 'people of european origin', thats why in my post I had mentioned as 'rest'. (other than Kannadigas, tamils, telugus, malayalees, northindians (read hindi speaking) etc). I am not sure whether they have put Anglo Indians and the like also in that category.

Anyway there are a lot of foriegners in Bangalore, as CEOs, professionals, consultants, students etc. My organisation, eventhough in the real estate industry also have two europeans as employees.

I also see a lot of middle east/Africans who are here as students. Recently two iranian girls were in the news for a drunken drive late night and attacking police when they were stopped.

I am sure there are lots of foreigners in Blore must be in tens of thousands.
I thought Bangalore had significant urdu speaking muslim population

This is true all over India and not just Blore. People migrate only when they see a need - jobs, improved life style etc. So, whichever place provides these, people would go there. Moreover, this is guaranteed to us by our Constitution and not a gift given by the 'locals' of that particular place - this truth applies everywhere - in Blore, Chn, Hyd, Bombay, Delhi etc. :)
But it is governed by local govt. You tamils pay VAT in Bangalore promptly to state govt which we will use for flyovers in cities like Hubli. Moreover police and administration will be local language. Understand what "federal" system means, state govt actually has more powers than center. Laws/constitution are there to be flirted with, see even in australia unlawful things happen on migrants :ohno:

I am sure there are lots of foreigners in Blore must be in tens of thousands.
I thought Bangalore had significant urdu speaking muslim population
Urdu is same as Hindi, hardly any difference

Originally Posted by sudheeshnairs
Which number you have doubt, that of Malayalees and North Indians? BTW I got this split from a Coffee Table Book on Bangalore, forgot the publisher. Anyway the count totals to 100%, right?

In the Malayalam dailies being published from Bangalore, I have read that as of now there are about 14 lakhs malayalees in Bangalore. If that is the case, then the percentage would be more. And there are people like me who have not appeared in any official records like ration card or census data or even ‘contact address’. So actual numbers could be more.


There is no point in trusting numbers of sites like discoverbangalore.com, they have software to generate random numbers :lol: No point continue discussion on non-reliable numbers

Does this discussion help namma bengaluru in anyway?
I love the city i live in & thats the way it should be.
Strive to get things right wherever you are at the end of the day its our own country which benefits.

PS:I have been in Bengaluru since some years now & plan to settle here.

^^ Discussion started by unfair claim of sudheeshnairs, where he says mallus more in number than northies and the post remained undeleted. It was second time he posted same breakup once long back as far as i remember, which i had not objected then to avoid conflict.

Migrants have lesser right than locals in a federal system. Half the tax they pay here goes to k'taka state govt.

Does this discussion help namma bengaluru in anyway?


Thanks to chennai forumers who take keen interest in derailing bengaluru threads....whop keep cropping up Language.....have to agree they are damn language centric.....:D

But it is governed by local govt. You tamils pay VAT in Bangalore promptly to state govt which we will use for flyovers in cities like Hubli. Moreover police and administration will be local language. Understand what "federal" system means, state govt actually has more powers than center. Laws/constitution are there to be flirted with, see even in australia unlawful things happen on migrants :ohno:

In India, we do not have a true federal system of governance; it is more an union than a federal system. Note that we talk of the "Union Government" rather than the "Federal Government" when we refer to the center. We blindly copy the US terms without understanding whether it fits to our particular case. State governments definitely have lesser power compared to the Union Government. For every small thing there has to be "Central Government clearance", before the project can even get off the ground, so where is the power of the state govt.?

BBMP parks bag 106 prizes

Y Maheswara Reddy
First Published : 29 Jul 2010 05:21:15 AM IST
Last Updated : 29 Jul 2010 09:12:46 AM IST

BANGALORE: The Bruhat Bangalore Mahanagara Palike (BBMP) has a reason to be proud. As many as 106 parks in the east zone have bagged first prizes in the park category as part of the forthcoming Lal Bagh Flower Show.

A six-member expert team visited these parks on Tuesday and certified them as qualified for first prizes. “We have prepared 106 parks this year for competition as against 104 last year. We are very happy to get first prizes for all the parks that were prepared for the competition,” said M Anjanappa, superintendent, horticulture (east), BBMP.

Anjanappa said that the BBMP plans to develop six more parks this year. “We have identified four parks at Ward No.

50 represented by Deputy Mayor Sadanand.

Two more parks have been identified in Indiranagar,” he said. The BBMP plans to spend Rs 1.47 crore to develop the six parks. “We are spending Rs 1.35 crore for four parks at Benniganahalli and Rs 12 lakh for the two at Indiranagar. We will take up development of other parks next year,” he said.

As many as 155 parks from Bangalore South have participated in the competition. “We are waiting for the results,” said Dodda Kende Gowda, superintendent, horticulture (south), BBMP.

A Narayanaswamy, joint director, horticulture department, has said that arrangements are being made to organise the flower show at Lal Bagh. “Last year, 322 participants took part in the flower show. As of now, 242 participants have confirmed their participation this year. We expect around 400 participants during this year,” said Narayanaswamy.

He said that around four lakh people visited the flower show at Lal Bagh last year. “We expect more people to visit the flower show this year,” he said.
Source (http://expressbuzz.com/cities/bangalore/bbmp-parks-bag-106-prizes/193806.html)

British PM David Cameron gifts 2,000 jobs to Shimoga (http://www.dnaindia.com/bangalore/report_british-pm-david-cameron-gifts-2000-jobs-to-shimoga_1416102)

Thanks to chennai forumers who take keen interest in derailing bengaluru threads....whop keep cropping up Language.....have to agree they are damn language centric.....:D

:lol: I had warned of these Trolls yesterday, but my warning post was deleted :ohno:

For every small thing there has to be "Central Government clearance", before the project can even get off the ground, so where is the power of the state govt.?

that is true,take the case of Illegal mining issue,BSY is pressing central govt hard to curb iron ore export.

In India, we do not have a true federal system of governance; it is more an union than a federal system. Note that we talk of the "Union Government" rather than the "Federal Government" when we refer to the center. We blindly copy the US terms without understanding whether it fits to our particular case. State governments definitely have lesser power compared to the Union Government. For every small thing there has to be "Central Government clearance", before the project can even get off the ground, so where is the power of the state govt.?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_federal_states.svg Here are federal countries around the world, union and federation both same. Power sharing between center and states may vary. But main jobs of central govt are military and external affairs. Federal system is good otherwise it will be monopoly of full country by one political party at a time.

British Prime Minister was free of the traditional English stiff upper lip, as he enjoyed a stroll in the rain and chatted up techies



British Prime Minister David Cameron visited various venues in the city, including Raj Bhavan, Infosys and HAL in a bullet proof Land Cruiser provided by the United States embassy in Chennai. He had the option of an appropriate vehicle provided by the Karnataka government’s protocol department. According to sources, this was because British officials preferred the Land Cruiser for security reasons. It was driven by a US embassy driver.

JUST A HANDSHAKE

Tradition dictates that a visiting head of state who comes to Bangalore is welcomed by the state government’s representative with a sandalwood garland and a Mysore turban. In Cameron’s case, Karnataka government’s protocol department was advised by the Ministry of External Affairs officials against it. As a result, the sandalwood garland and Mysore turban kept ready at the airport were not used. Cameron was instead welcomed with just a warm handshake by Karnataka’s Home Minister Dr V S Acharya. Incidentally, when Cameron’s predecessor John Major had visited Bangalore in 2003, he was welcomed by the then chief minister S M Krishna with a Mysore turban and a sandalwood garland.

MAYOR GOES MISSING

The arrival of the British prime minister is a big event. Yet Bangalore’s first citizen was not invited officially. Mayor S K Nataraj was missing from the list of dignitaries, including the state home minister, DG & IG and DPAR secretary, who were scheduled to officially welcome the British prime minister. As per protocol, the first citizen of the city has to receive the head of state of another country.
However, Nataraj was not informed by the officials of the protocol department. On Tuesday evening I came to know that my name was left out of the list prepared by the Union government to welcome the British PM. It is indeed very sad. I will write a letter to the Union government expressing my unhappiness, Nataraj told Bangalore Mirror.

SMOOTH JOURNEY

Traffic police and BBMP authorities pitched in to make the British PM’s journey on the city’s harrowing roads as comfortable as possible. All unscientifically laid road humps along his route from Hotel Leela Palace on Old Airport Road to the Infosys campus in Electronics City were removed. They were replaced with new road humps conforming to the specifications of International Road Congress. This is going to bring a lot of relief to people who use these roads regularly, especially during night. It’s left people elsewhere in Bangalore wishing that Cameron had passed by their locality too.

TAKING NO CHANCES

There is nothing like the arrival of an important guest for the city authorities to get busy with a bout of spring cleaning. The BBMP’s forest cell spent the entire Tuesday night trimming branches along Old Airport Road, especially on the route to HAL where there are a lot old trees. “Imagine a heavy branch falling on the convoy of the British prime minister! It is the rainy season and we did not leave anything to chance,” a Range Officer of the Cell’s North Zone said.
At 4 on Tuesday morning, they got a 40 ton crane to remove three huge tree stumps that had been dumped under the Domlur flyover close to The Leela Palace where Cameron was staying.

A WALK IN THE RAIN
After visiting HAL’s Hawk division located in the Old Airport premises, where British officials signed an MoU with HAL authorities on the sale of advanced Hawk jet trainer aircraft, the British PM preferred to walk a distance of over 400 meters upto his waiting aircraft. He seemed to be enjoying the drizzle as refused to use an umbrella. “Even a chota-mota VIP prefers to use a car to drive upto their aircraft when they come visiting HAL airport. This man is so different,” a senior police official, monitoring security at the spot, gushed.

USE A CHOPPER?

The roads along which the British prime minister travelled in the city witnessed huge traffic jams with police stopping traffic for security reasons. The situation became chaotic on the route to the Infosys campus. Could he have used a helicopter and thereby prevented all those traffic jams? “A huge contingent of 150 people, including half a dozen ministers, accompanied the British PM’s delegation. Only the PM could have used a helicopter and the rest would have used the road. The same inconvenience would have been there in that case too,” a senior police official said.
With inputs from Hemanth Kashyap,
Suchith Kidiyoor and Manasi Paresh Kumar
Source: Bangalore Mirror

Students can now get their learner’s licence without stepping out of college


College students will no longer have to go to the Regional Transport Office to get a Learner’s Licence. The RTO will come to them.
The state transport department plans to implement the new project in 10 days in one of the colleges in Jayanagar. It will later be extended to 10 others in the city.
It was the BJP’s student wing, Akhila Bharatiya Vidyarti Parishad (ABVP), that had made the demand to Chief Minister B S Yeddyurappa. After a brief consultation with the CM, Transport Minister R Ashok told Bangalore Mirror, “It will be the transport department’s generous gesture to the city’s student community. If it is successful, it will be extended to the rest of the state”.
The testing, identification of signals and road symbols necessary for issuing an LL will be done at the college under the principal’s supervision. Only after the principal’s recommendation will the department issue the LLs. “This will help students as they will not have to skip college and shuttle regularly to RTO offices,” the minister said.

TESTING AT THE COLLEGE

Though the initiative is good for students who are keen to ride bikes, it will mean an added burden for college principals. “The college, which will be provided with charts and testing kits, will have to test the students’ ability to identify various signals and symbols,” an official from the transport department said.
Ashok said the motor vehicle inspectors functioning under various RTO limits would visit campuses once a month and communicate directly with the principals or officials designated by them. “They will be given the results and based on the recommendation of the principals, we will issue the LL.”
However, to get the Driving Licence, students will have to appear personally before the RTO, Ashok clarified.

Minister Ashok waits for inauspicious month to get over before automated track can be inaugurated

Karnataka's first Automated Vehicle Driving Testing Track is ready, but there is one hitch for its inauguration: Ashada masa. Transport Minister R Ashok is waiting for the masa, said to be an inauspicious one, to get over.
Now, licence aspirants would have to wait till next month (The masa gets over on August 10).
Sources in the transport department said though the electronically controlled track for both four- and two-wheelers near Ullal, Jnanabharati, is ready, the minister is apprehensive of inaugurating it during the inauspicious month.

DATE WITH UNION MINISTERS

The department plans to invite Union minister for road transport & highways, Kamal Nath and minister of state for communication & information technology Sachin Pilot for the inauguration. However, the department has not yet finalised a convenient date for these ministers.
Both the central and state governments have funded the track, which has been built at a cost of Rs 2 crore. The track has been completed ahead of the scheduled time of one year. Its construction had begun in April 2010.

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Now that the auto drivers' demands has been met, they should start behaving:bash:

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Get ready to shell out more money as the revised autorickshaw fares will come into force from August 1.The transport department, in association with the legal metrology department, on Wednesday released the official chart of revised auto fares and directed the auto drivers to recalibrate the auto meters within two months from the date of implementation. As per the chart, meters should display the minimum charge of Rs 17 instead of Rs 14, the earlier minimum fare.
A senior RTO official said, “At present, more than 80,000 autos are plying on the city roads. The department has given them two months' time to recalibrate the meters. The regional transport authority had increased the minimum auto fare from Rs 14 to Rs 17 and Rs 9 for every subsequent kilometre.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_federal_states.svg Here are federal countries around the world, union and federation both same. Power sharing between center and states may vary. But main jobs of central govt are military and external affairs. Federal system is good otherwise it will be monopoly of full country by one political party at a time.

I agree that the federal system is good, but like I said in my earlier post, we are not a true federation. States would have had more power if that were the case; we are as usual falling between two stools and going nowhere. Anyway this is again off-topic. Let us talk about Namma Bengaluru.

Minister Ashok waits for inauspicious month to get over before automated track can be inaugurated



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Interesting....Please add more I am not understanding the automated track thing....

What is in Belgaum then???Which also boasts of some testing track.?

here you go Akash

DRIVING TEST SENSORED
The city will soon have a state-of-the-art Automated Vehicle Driving Testing Track for issuing fool-proof driving licences



Your driving test just got automated, which of course is not saying that it has become any easier! The city will soon see the inauguration of the Automated Vehicle Driving Testing Track (electronically controlled with sensors), dubbed the first of its kind in Asia, for both four- and two-wheelers.
Built at a cost of Rs 1.8 crore, it is funded by both the Central and State governments. The track, which is coming up near Ullal, Jnanabharati, off Mysore Road, is the brainchild of Transport Commissioner Bhaskar Rao.
Rao had promised to build this track during a Bangalore Mirror campaign on traffic problems in the city in November 2009 after holding bad drivers responsible for the city's traffic woes.
While he had announced it would be ready in less than a year, it seems to be the one project that the Transport Department will finish ahead of schedule. The automated system will replace the present manual procedure followed for issuing driving licences and will be inaugurated in a couple of weeks.
“We started this project after we received complaints from candidates that our inspectors were failing them intentionally. But we didn't have any evidence to prove them wrong. This track will clear this particular problem as a candidate's driving skills will be tracked by sensors installed under the track, which alerts the control room if someone touches the poles on the track. We can also give them a CD carrying the whole data of the test if they want," Rao said.
Rao said the work on the project, which costs about Rs 1.8 crore, started three months ago. There will be separate tracks and monitoring rooms for four- and two-wheelers. Those looking for a licence for four-wheelers will have to undergo a test of five sequences such as the reverse 'S' test, the up-gradient test, the forward '8' test, the three-point reverse test and the parallel parking test. For a two-wheeler licence, the candidate will have to drive on a serpent line test track.
While these tracks are for light motor vehicles, the department is also planning a similar track for heavy motor vehicles in the future. Union Surface Transport Minister Kamal Nath and Chief Minister B S Yeddyurappa are expected at the inaugural.

TESTING TIME FOR FOUR-WHEELERS

• UP-GRADIENT TEST: The driver has to drive the fourwheeler from an upward slope, which has 12 sensors, to track the forward and backward movement of the vehicle. More importantly, the driver will not be allowed to move backward even an inch as the sensors will catch the movements.

• FORWARD '8' TEST: After this, the driver has to drive on an 8-shaped track which has 52 sensors holding as many poles. The driver needs to be careful as he is not allowed to touch these poles. If he touches the pole, it is a sure sign that he is faltering.

• 3-POINT REVERSE TEST:
After driving on the 8-shaped track, the driver will have to park the vehicle on a threepoint reverse test track, which has three sensors.

• PARALLEL PARKING TEST:
The driver has to park the vehicle on a parallel parking track which has seven poles.

• REVERSE 'S' TEST: After completing all the four tests, the driver has to exit the track while driving on reverse gear on an S-shaped track, which has 26 poles connected to sensors.

FOR TWO-WHEELERS

• SERPENT LINE TEST: Twowheeler riders will have to drive on this separate track which has 58 sensors and as many poles.

SOURCE (http://bangalorebuzz.blogspot.com/2010/06/driving-test-sensored.html)

Now that the auto drivers' demands has been met, they should start behaving:bash:

I have some great experiences with auto drivers good and bad......I start speaking to them in North Kannada and they get so much flattered :laugh: that most of the times they agree to reduce the price.

This happened during Mysore dasara,me along with my friends were strolling the streets late in the night,it was about 11 pm and that is when auto drivers demand in excess,I started speaking to him in North Kannada, I told him that I am from Belgaum and have come here as a tourist heheheh that guy was so impressed the moment I said I am from Belgaum,he spoke of jowar roti,belgaum climate,belgaum city,belgaum kittur and etc etc.....all along the way.....

In the end, I intelligently handed him the amount he was asking i.e 90 rs he handed me back 20 rs....
Then I understood how to hijack their brain.......:cheers:

Nandan next time try speaking in Belgaum kannada I am sure they will fall on ur feet :lol:

here you go Akash



SOURCE (http://bangalorebuzz.blogspot.com/2010/06/driving-test-sensored.html)

this is amazing

^^Yes, seems to be a brilliant idea. Hope it's successful.

@Akash : Is Belgaum Kannada different in accent or dialect?

^^Yes, seems to be a brilliant idea. Hope it's successful.

@Akash : Is Belgaum Kannada different in accent or dialect?

VERY MUCH DIFFERENT in both,its a dialect infact. North Kannadigas are culturally different from the south,infact they were demanding a separate state which did not materialize then in 1950's.:ohno:

^^ Uttar Kannad. Would have given a chance for some Northern city to develop well. Right now KA's top 3 Bang,Mys and Mang are all in the south.

^^ Uttar Kannad. Would have given a chance for some Northern city to develop well. Right now KA's top 3 Bang,Mys and Mang are all in the south.

hmmm....may be you have a point

Its hard to list out top cities like that......:ohno:

Hubli-Dharwad size wise(200 sq KM) and population wise (12 lakhs)ranks next to Bangalore,it is the commercial capital of the state.

Mangalore city is the highest revenue generator and also a coastal commercial center,population wise ranks very low but size wise its bigger than Mysore with 170 sq KM.

Mysore- the most pampered city of the state is spread over 156 sq km (present) is touted as the cultural capital of the state.


Belgaum district overall ranks second to Bangalore urban district in revenue.


Going by the above facts its hard to list them.

Anyways my order would be- Mangalore,Hubli-Dharwad,Mysore,Belgaum

Apart from all these Bellary is the fastest growing city.


TOP CITIES OF THE STATE

League 1
1)BANGALORE (SOUTH)
2)MANGALORE (SOUTH WEST)= HUBLI-DHARWAD(NORTH WEST)

League 2

4)MYSORE(SOUTH)
5)BELGAUM(NORTH WEST)
6)BELLARY(NORTH EAST)

Is Hubli-Dharwad a twin city???

Is Hubli-Dharwad a twin city???

Yes Hubli-Dharwad are twin cities :happy:

:lol: I had warned of these Trolls yesterday, but my warning post was deleted :ohno:

Nobody wants to be a troll. My posts weren't of that kind either. I pitched in when I saw one post stating that the # of new engineering colleges in TN is more than KN. Added to that, one post by getem called Chn and Hyd as poor cities. There were some comments regarding that. As usual, these unnecessary comments result in replies which go nowhere.

Well anyway these things happen occasionally and calm returns always. :)

But it is governed by local govt. You tamils pay VAT in Bangalore promptly to state govt which we will use for flyovers in cities like Hubli. Moreover police and administration will be local language. Understand what "federal" system means, state govt actually has more powers than center. Laws/constitution are there to be flirted with, see even in australia unlawful things happen on migrants :ohno:.

I do not know what are you trying to prove here. BTW not only for building flyovers in Hubli, even for paying salary of govt officials, this VAT paid by Tamils would be used.

BTW, the ‘migrant’s in Bangalore are no different from others here. They are very much street smart & adaptable and as said earlier, a majority of the businessmen, developers, liquor barons, politicians etc are Telugus, Tamils or others. Yet they have their own individualities. Perhaps you can say that only those from north India, would be like a total migrant, not able to say a word in Kannada and the like. My boss is from UP, he is here for the last 4-5 years, yet to learn to understand Kannada. I am here only for the last two years, I know how to give a good ‘gali’ on the road while on the wheel. The builders, land mafia I see here are more of ‘Reddys’ than anybody else, the MP of the constituency where I live is a ‘Reddy’, many corporators who got elected in the last BBMP polls are Tamils. The local businessmen who runs supermarkets, bakeries, restaurants etc are mostly malayalees. Hotel Imperial had the guts to take on city police/Govt and obain permission to open throughout the night from High Court. We hear more of Andhra restaurants like ‘Nandhini’ than any other. When you check the cuisine, you will find more of names/boards like Andhra, Kerala, Chettinad etc along with Continental/Chineese etc.


^^ Discussion started by unfair claim of sudheeshnairs, where he says mallus more in number than northies and the post remained undeleted. It was second time he posted same breakup once long back as far as i remember, which i had not objected then to avoid conflict. .

Mr. gentem, did I ever say as my opinion that Mallus are more than northies? I was quoting the media reports. Why there should be conflict in this? And what should be the reason for deletion? You bring some ‘printed’ info in the public domain rather than simply bluffing!

There is no point in trusting numbers of sites like discoverbangalore.com, they have software to generate random numbers :lol: No point continue discussion on non-reliable numbers

Those are one among the only ‘published’ data. You go to Odyssey or Crossword and buy any coffee table book about Bangalore. You will get the similar numbers.


Migrants have lesser right than locals in a federal system.

Finding of the new century!!!! Did Indian Constitution say that? Please get your facts right!

Thanks to chennai forumers who take keen interest in derailing bengaluru threads....whop keep cropping up Language.....have to agree they are damn language centric.....:D

In this case, I would not put the blame on forumers from Chennai for this, the discussion was not about ‘language’ per say, but the demographic mix. And it would not change one fine morning as per anybody else’s whims and fantasies. If there are 25% Tamils in Bangalore, it is for real!

:lol: I had warned of these Trolls yesterday, but my warning post was deleted :ohno:

Those who commented were not trolls. To decide anybody is a troll or not is with the mods. And they know what to do regarding that. Accusing a forumer as a troll for the simple reason of not liking what he said is also liable for action.

@nandan

I saw Cameron on his way to Infy, near the BETL starting ramp (Roopena Agrahara)

Guys what is your opinion on Mangalore and Hubli-dharwad I am 50 -50 on this,I think Hubli-Dharwad must be placed over Mangalore...... :?

I have seen both the cities - Mangalore in 2005 and Hubli-Dharwad 2010,growth has been phenomenal in both the cities.I don't want to hurt the Mangalore forumers here but I somehow feel Hubli-Dharwad is way ahead of Mangalore in commercial business/connectivity/peaceful.
Mangalore is a port city and Hubli-Dharwad is land locked so really cannot compare the two.But still
Open to discussion :)

Some criteria to be considered

Population
Commercial business
Connectivity
Industries
Educational institutes
Transport

etc etc

@nandan

I saw Cameron on his way to Infy, near the BETL starting ramp (Roopena Agrahara)

oh Cameron also went through muddy-vala in that case :lol:

any idea which car??

Nobody wants to be a troll. My posts weren't of that kind either. I pitched in when I saw one post stating that the # of new engineering colleges in TN is more than KN. Added to that, one post by getem called Chn and Hyd as poor cities. There were some comments regarding that. As usual, these unnecessary comments result in replies which go nowhere.

Well anyway these things happen occasionally and calm returns always. :)

This particular quote from you could have lead to a pointless debate[Glad it didnt happen.:) ], thats the only reason I said dont feed the trolls.

Moreover, this is guaranteed to us by our Constitution and not a gift given by the 'locals' of that particular place

let calmness prevail :) :cheers:

^^ nandan- yes he did pass through Madivala - but not the muddy part on Hosur Road (which is closed). He used the Madivala vegetable market road and joined the Hosur Rd. near Total Mall (or is it a hypermarket ?). He was in a Land Cruiser. It presumably was bullet proof, and had jammers. He was pretty unanimated, unlike our hand-waving politicos.

I do not know what are you trying to prove here. BTW not only for building flyovers in Hubli, even for paying salary of govt officials, this VAT paid by Tamils would be used.

BTW, the ‘migrant’s in Bangalore are no different from others here. They are very much street smart & adaptable and as said earlier, a majority of the businessmen, developers, liquor barons, politicians etc are Telugus, Tamils or others. Yet they have their own individualities. Perhaps you can say that only those from north India, would be like a total migrant, not able to say a word in Kannada and the like. My boss is from UP, he is here for the last 4-5 years, yet to learn to understand Kannada. I am here only for the last two years, I know how to give a good ‘gali’ on the road while on the wheel. The builders, land mafia I see here are more of ‘Reddys’ than anybody else, the MP of the constituency where I live is a ‘Reddy’, many corporators who got elected in the last BBMP polls are Tamils. The local businessmen who runs supermarkets, bakeries, restaurants etc are mostly malayalees. Hotel Imperial had the guts to take on city police/Govt and obain permission to open throughout the night from High Court. We hear more of Andhra restaurants like ‘Nandhini’ than any other. When you check the cuisine, you will find more of names/boards like Andhra, Kerala, Chettinad etc along with Continental/Chineese etc.




Mr. gentem, did I ever say as my opinion that Mallus are more than northies? I was quoting the media reports. Why there should be conflict in this? And what should be the reason for deletion? You bring some ‘printed’ info in the public domain rather than simply bluffing!



Those are one among the only ‘published’ data. You go to Odyssey or Crossword and buy any coffee table book about Bangalore. You will get the similar numbers.




Finding of the new century!!!! Did Indian Constitution say that? Please get your facts right!



In this case, I would not put the blame on forumers from Chennai for this, the discussion was not about ‘language’ per say, but the demographic mix. And it would not change one fine morning as per anybody else’s whims and fantasies. If there are 25% Tamils in Bangalore, it is for real!



Those who commented were not trolls. To decide anybody is a troll or not is with the mods. And they know what to do regarding that. Accusing a forumer as a troll for the simple reason of not liking what he said is also liable for action.


shame on your boss seriously.


How the hell can one man stay in a place for 5 years and not even grasp the basics of the language?


Look at you sudeesh, listened to the radio station and made every effort to pick up the lang. Kudos to you I say.

If everybody adopted your mentality, a lot of issues would be solved.

Radio and movies are the easiest way to learn the local language. My learning comes from the bus conductors who I meet everyday - I say something in Hindi and then ask the kannada translation - like "Does it go to place X ?" or "how much?". I have learnt the kannada numbers (1-10,20,30,40,50,100) in 14 days. The point I'm making is, if you're interested, it is not difficult.

My neighbour in Chennai is a bihari. His family have been in Chennai for 17 years, and yet they cannot speak a word in Tamil. It's just the attitude that matters. I too appreciate Sudheesh's effort.

Radio and movies are the easiest way to learn the local language. My learning comes from the bus conductors who I meet everyday - I say something in Hindi and then ask the kannada translation - like "Does it go to place X ?" or "how much?". I have learnt the kannada numbers (1-10,20,30,40,50,100) in 14 days. The point I'm making is, if you're interested, it is not difficult.

My neighbour in Chennai is a bihari. His family have been in Chennai for 17 years, and yet they cannot speak a word in Tamil. It's just the attitude that matters. I too appreciate Sudheesh's effort.

how do i put this.

I am starting to get a picture of certain migrants from certain parts of the country who do sweet diddly nothing to integrate


If i move to any part of the country , the least I will do is learn the basics of the language. I am not saying write a thesis on it. Just enough for you to understand simple everyday convo

^^ Even before visiting Blore, I learnt Kannada out of my own interest...I deserve more kudos!! :D :D

Thanks to chennai forumers who take keen interest in derailing bengaluru threads....whop keep cropping up Language.....have to agree they are damn language centric.....:D

are you saying we should be banned from Bangalore discussions, This is discussions (chai bar)thread right? I dint bring language but even if why should it not be discussed here?

are you saying we should be banned from Bangalore discussions, This is discussions (chai bar)thread right? I dint bring language but even if why should it not be discussed here?

Language has been discussed innumerable number of times, it leads to nowhere. just like this

http://www.mattstow.com/articles/circular_arrows/circular_arrows.png

shame on your boss seriously.


How the hell can one man stay in a place for 5 years and not even grasp the basics of the language?


Look at you sudeesh, listened to the radio station and made every effort to pick up the lang. Kudos to you I say.

If everybody adopted your mentality, a lot of issues would be solved.

Language is nothing but just a mode of communication,I was in coimbatore couple of weeks back,it was 5 am in the morning I enquired about the cross cut road with a person in tamil,it was nice of him that he walked along with me directing me the route,he was stunned to know that i was from belgaum while I spoke tamil so well......Then told him that was in trichy was 4 years and picked up the lang quite fast...

I am happy that as of now I can speak kannada(dialects as well),hindi,english,tamil and learning marathi.....

, I told him that I am from Belgaum and have come here as a tourist heheheh that guy was so impressed the moment I said I am from Belgaum,he spoke of jowar roti,belgaum climate,belgaum city,belgaum kittur and etc etc.....all along the way.....

he was stunned to know that i was from belgaum while I spoke tamil so well......Then told him that was in trichy was 4 years and picked up the lang quite fast....

Damn...EVERY SINGLE TIME I read it as "I'm from Belgium" :lol:

shame on your boss seriously.


How the hell can one man stay in a place for 5 years and not even grasp the basics of the language?


Look at you sudeesh, listened to the radio station and made every effort to pick up the lang. Kudos to you I say.

If everybody adopted your mentality, a lot of issues would be solved.

Thats true, Northi's seldom make an effort to learn the local language, no matter where they go.
Be it a lad from Lucknow who is working for Infosys, or some laborer from Allahabad, or Bihar.


Remember Mumbai, UP'ites and Biharis who were dragged into by Sena, and language was one of the main reason.
Bacchan was in firing line too.

Coming back to Locals having more right than the immigrants. This attitide sucks... guys like you are more damaging to our(my) city than the immigrants.

I know my history and Bangalore from the time of British were home to not only the locals, but also High class Tamil Brahmins and Tamilians at large.
keralite's were also present in bangalore from a very long time ago and.
Bangalore core of yesteryears consisted of kannadigas, Tamilians and Malyali's.

South India on a whole is peacefully part of the country to live in.
We welcomed guest with the most hospitable gestures and attitudes.

Would someone from South go to Bihar/UP, if it suddenly grew into IT hubs?, I dont think so.
The IT in NCR is more concentrated with Northi's, but here in south, especially Bangalore, u find people coming in from all over, Because bangalore is great city to work and live in and the reason is that we made this possible, But unfortuntaley Even the locals are becoming rude and ignorant and and there is reason to it.
When some one migrates to a city for a Life, one would expect they respect the way of life and people, but unfortunately, this isnt the case I have experienced this first hand from people especially from north.
Some of the cribbing, Only idly's here, Bad roads, Local who dont know Hindi,
nothing special about this place, We developed bangalore, bangalore would be nothing, if it was not us...yada...yada... Oh yeah I could rant at a length too.


But lets be what we were always, being a gracious host, and welcoming.. our guests, no matter what they are, where they come from, where they work...
Through time they will see, what a great city with great people and would love to be part of and be proud of.

Lets raise voice against unfair practices and also remind the locals and immigrants alike, in the gentlest manner possible, when they are being unfair towards each other.

Language is nothing but just a mode of communication,I was in coimbatore couple of weeks back,it was 5 am in the morning I enquired about the cross cut road with a person in tamil,it was nice of him that he walked along with me directing me the route,he was stunned to know that i was from belgaum while I spoke tamil so well......Then told him that was in trichy was 4 years and picked up the lang quite fast...

I am happy that as of now I can speak kannada(dialects as well),hindi,english,tamil and learning marathi.....

yeah but you integrate through the mods of communication. Thats the point. You dont speak or understand the lang means you culturally cut yourself off from the mainstream of that city or its heart.


Now i understand fully if you move every year it become very hard to pick up the lang. thats fair enough.

In this case your talking about a fully educated man who has not bothered at all to try to integrate with his surroundings.

there is something called unwritten civic sense. I know so many cases of people living in Pune for 10 plus years and not knowing any marathi. Then complaining when they feel left out when two marathi people talk to each other in the local lang.


IMO Bangalore cannot afford to make the mistake Mumbai made. Its time to push Kannada so that people who made the effort to learn and are rewarded.
Its time to end the publishing of utilities and other bills in english.

Its time to end people putting signs in english. Let english be the language of business by all means. Have it at the airports and maybe the main railway stations.But apart from that keep it Kannada only. Let there be an unwritten urgent need for anybody moving to the city to pick up the language regardless where they are from in india.


I dont know kannada. But if i do ever move to Bangalore i will sure as hell learn it. If i move to chennai i will sure as well learn Tamil. etc etc.


@krinix

I agree with your sentiments.

^^ Friends, I am sure that some people will contradict with this. Take my case - I didn't get any opportunity to work or live in Blore. I don't foresee a need to learn Kannada for my survival. Inspite of all these, I learnt Kannada to a good extent out of interest. Well if people aren't interested, why force them? If we do that, they will feel bad and things won't be going good in that place.

^^ Friends, I am sure that some people will contradict with this. Take my case - I didn't get any opportunity to work or live in Blore. I don't foresee a need to learn Kannada for my survival. Inspite of all these, I learnt Kannada to a good extent out of interest. Well if people aren't interested, why force them? If we do that, they will feel bad and things won't be going good in that place.

well then that leads to division in society.

Its not about the survival of anything. Its more about cohesion.

I personally dont think Indians, especially from a certain part are responsible enough to learn it out of interest.


Plus i never said force it down anybodies throat. Just make sure that communication is in Kannada and not in english in the case of for eg utility bills.Smart ones will learn on their own.

Its the use of english as a lang which ensures that people dont integrate for years. Once you take that out of the equation and people are still stubborn enough not to learn the lang then its choice.

but no easy way out by making everything in english which means people simply dont learn the local lang.

yeah but you integrate through the mods of communication. Thats the point. You dont speak or understand the lang means you culturally cut yourself off from the mainstream of that city or its heart.


Now i understand fully if you move every year it become very hard to pick up the lang. thats fair enough.

In this case your talking about a fully educated man who has not bothered at all to try to integrate with his surroundings.

there is something called unwritten civic sense. I know so many cases of people living in Pune for 10 plus years and not knowing any marathi. Then complaining when they feel left out when two marathi people talk to each other in the local lang.


IMO Bangalore cannot afford to make the mistake Mumbai made. Its time to push Kannada so that people who made the effort to learn and are rewarded.
Its time to end the publishing of utilities and other bills in english.

Its time to end people putting signs in english. Let english be the language of business by all means. Have it at the airports and maybe the main railway stations.But apart from that keep it Kannada only. Let there be an unwritten urgent need for anybody moving to the city to pick up the language regardless where they are from in india.


I dont know kannada. But if i do ever move to Bangalore i will sure as hell learn it. If i move to chennai i will sure as well learn Tamil. etc etc.


@krinix

I agree with your sentiments.


lets not make kannada a compulsion. When people from other state come to bangalore to make a living, it would be really tough... let there be English, kannada and Hindi.

But it would be the smartest who would pick up the local langauge, and you know very well, you can get a lot of things done, if you know the local language.
Bargain with vendors, Argue with bangalore's notorious Auto drivers and given them back good, get around the city....to name a few.

But if you are here for long enough and made no effort to learn local language, dont be alarmed, if you get hammered atleast once a month, by a Bus conductor, Auto driver, Pub waiters.....
The victim gets more angry and aggresive towards the locals... So whose fault it is?
The person who made no effort to blend in or the local who landed few blows or made some extra bucks?

I say its both. And I say it even more, that its us the Host's who need to be more open and kind.... Where is the Love people?


Having said that violence and Abuse...should never be encouraged.
Darwin was soo damm right!!!! Only the fittest survive, the others, if not dead get hammered.

the attitude is correct IMO, but violence wrong.

I personally wont (infact dont) like it if somebody is staying in one place for years and not integrated by learning the lang.

thats just me. but i am not going to beat that person up.

I just want a legal framework whereby learning the local lang is rewarded as an incentive for people to learn it.

Say you print the electricity bill in Kannada only. that means people have to make an effort to learn the basics of the lang to read their bill.

I want such incentives.

I am sorry I cant be with you on this.

I am ok with the idea of people getting incentive for learning local language.

If I were to be from Punjab and came to bangalore to make my living, Dont you think it would be tough for me to read the bill, at least for a year or two?
And dont you think, I would struggle throughout?

Its a little closed minded approach.

I am sorry I cant be with you on this.

I am ok with the idea of people getting incentive for learning local language.

If I were to be from Punjab and came to bangalore to make my living, Dont you think it would be tough for me to read the bill, at least for a year or two?
And dont you think, I would struggle throughout?

Its a little closed minded approach.

hmm dude a bill of pretty easy to read. its not like say reading a book.

One of my friends went to Gujarat and learnt basic Gujarati (1-10 numbers and basic text like Hi/hello and basic words like big small , ie very basic stuff ) in the space of 3 weeks.

so maybe better if you are planning to move to bangalore you prepare beforehand. Rather than landing and then struggling around.

I think people can easily get by if they know the basics based on say reading bus numbers for public transport.


You dont even have to write it in the scipt. Just write kannada words in english letters so person can read them and just needs to understand the meaning behind them.

hmm dude a bill of pretty easy to read. its not like say reading a book.

One of my friends went to Gujarat and learnt basic Gujarati (1-10 numbers and basic text like Hi/hello and basic words like big small , ie very basic stuff ) in the space of 3 weeks.

so maybe better if you are planning to move to bangalore you prepare beforehand. Rather than landing and then struggling around.

I think people can easily get by if they know the basics based on say reading bus numbers for public transport.


You dont even have to write it in the scipt. Just write kannada words in english letters so person can read them and just needs to understand the meaning behind them.

I only wish it was easy as you mentioned...

I only wish it was easy as you mentioned...

you need to try it out.

I am not saying it will guarantee anything. But how will you know unless you try? If its a failure just roll it back.

If you dont try to integrate there will always be some ultra right wing party which will step in to fill a void and exploit insecurities of people. IMO its better to take preventive steps and never let a void develop.

While democracy gives us the right not to force anybody, the flipside is that democracy also gives rise to legitimate ultra right wing (and left wing) parties who will always exploit the concerns of people at the slightest opportunity.

I do not know what are you trying to prove here. BTW not only for building flyovers in Hubli, even for paying salary of govt officials, this VAT paid by Tamils would be used.


Mr. gentem, did I ever say as my opinion that Mallus are more than northies? I was quoting the media reports. Why there should be conflict in this? And what should be the reason for deletion? You bring some ‘printed’ info in the public domain rather than simply bluffing!



Finding of the new century!!!! Did Indian Constitution say that? Please get your facts right!



mallus 10% northies 7% is what you told which i highlighted. i can print a coffee table book for 200 rupees. Any info we should first think if it were a neutral source or does the source have any stake in it... I trust TOI on most news, but not if they report on their publication numbers more than others.

If only our constitution was implemented as written India would have become rama rajya! Migrants have lesser political right, a tamil in chennai exercises more right than if he is migrant in bangalore. Consider me, i did not bother to change my voting list to here, but still i can contact some 3-4 ministers of state govt in minutes.

Taxation is indeed about right. Americans protested paying tax to british for they did not have political representation in british parliament. I am just hinting as it is difficult for many to understand ;)

My personal opinion, I dont ask any adult to learn a new language. Which is waste of brain memory which can be put to better use. Esp. hindi people need not learn because others know that lang here, and they have tv, radio and movies here. But their children will learn, same happened with SRK - he says his children know Marathi.

^^ For me, being a tamilian who can speak telugu, Kannada is pretty easy to learn. Hindi isn't difficult to learn either. I wonder why many in our country can't see it as a whole and accept other languages.

I too was of the opinion that Northies are Hindi-fanatics (is that the word ?). But my new friend here, from Lucknow, surprised me by speaking in Tamil. He said he had learnt it out of interest (like our resident champ ChennaiIndian). I guess it's wrong to generalize.

Sorry if this discussion is going nowhere, but don't worry, even an infinite loop has an interrupt.

Defending champions Goa beat Karnataka 1-0 in quarterfinals (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/football/top-stories/Defending-champions-Goa-beat-Karnataka-1-0/articleshow/6233901.cms)

Had high hopes on Karnataka this santosh trophy,we have played consistently well in all the editions ending up either as winners or runner ups,this time it was very disappointing.:ohno:

B/w i faced something yesterday , a doc may be in his 70s has been in bengaluru for more than 30 years and doesnt know a word of Kannada...can u believe? Dont know how he talks to his patients or has he treated only elitist of the Elite patients.

Anyways God Bless every1.

B/w i faced something yesterday , a doc may be in his 70s has been in bengaluru for more than 30 years and doesnt know a word of Kannada...can u believe? Dont know how he talks to his patients or has he treated only elitist of the Elite patients.

Anyways God Bless every1.

Good he did not. He has more space left in brain to learn doc related things and work better on his patients. It is more than enough if his PA knows kannada...

it does

integration matters a lot.

It makes a good community and a much more stabler society.

^^ You cannot oppress or tell people what to do, Hitler wanted to do the same thing, he wanted to get rid of all jews which he believed made a stable society. You cannot pull me into your mad beliefs and ideologies, it's a free world and we have every right to do whatever we want as long as it doesn't trouble others.

^^ You cannot oppress or tell people what to do, Hitler wanted to do the same thing, he wanted to get rid of all jews which he believed made a stable society. You cannot pull me into your mad beliefs and ideologies, it's a free world and we have every right to do whatever we want as long as it doesn't trouble others.


ok why dont you re read my posts in this thread

and point you exactly where I said we need to force people

go ahead.

ok why dont you re read my posts in this thread

and point you exactly where I said we need to force people

go ahead.

Integration is nothing but surrendering yourself to gratify certain creed, I do not think it will make way for the stabler society. Such people are highly volatile and lack individuality, it's like those terror groups telling people what's a stable society. I don't need others to tell me what's best for me, I choose my own path of happiness and the language which makes me comfortable.

Integration is nothing but surrendering yourself to gratify certain creed, I do not think it will make way for the stabler society. Such people are highly volatile and lack individuality, it's like those terror groups telling people what's a stable society. I don't need others to tell me what's best for me, I choose my own path of happiness and the language which makes me comfortable.

for heaven sake its just the very basics of the local lang. Yous acting as if I am saying change your religion or custom just to fit in.


that too i never said force it on them.

I just said(if you had bothered to read the post and "thought" about it)


make sure you give people incentives to learn the local lang.

Such as electricity bills only in Kannada or road signs only in Kannada which is well within the legal right of the BBMP

You are totally missing the point and have really not read the prior posts and just jumped in right in the middle.....

anyways lets move on



It was interesting to see UK PM, Cameron in Bangalore and Delhi the most


Delhi he went for obvious reasons since its the capital.

But Bangalore seems to have captured the imagination of the west. Great news and PR for the city.

Our state is very unique- the tourism department has rightly coined it - KARNATAKA - ONE STATE MANY WORLDS :banana:

We are different from be it Kerala,TN,AP MH etc etc,where mostly one lang rules and that is their binding ingredient,we are diverse.

We have many groups existing- Coorgis,Tulus,North Kanndigas,Konkanis,south Kannadigas,urdu(north east KA domination)
So Gentem don't you think Hindi/kannada is a language which can bind a coorgi and a Urdu guy from North east KA?? Or be it a Tulu guy and north Kannadiga?? or a coorgi and a konkani???

Think over my friend.............:)

Our state is very unique- the tourism department has rightly coined it - KARNATAKA - ONE STATE MANY WORLDS :banana:

We are different from be it Kerala,TN,AP MH etc etc,where mostly one lang rules and that is their binding ingredient,we are diverse.

We have many groups existing- Coorgis,Tulus,North Kanndigas,Konkanis,south Kannadigas,urdu(north east KA domination)
So Gentem don't you think Hindi is a language which can bind a coorgi and a Urdu guy from North east KA?? Or be it a Tulu guy and north Kannadiga?? or a coorgi and a konkani???

Think over my friend.............:)

dude maharashtra has many langs

bigger the state as a rule of thumb more diverse the place.

TCS tops IT-BPO Employers list in India: Nasscom
29 Jul 2010, 0035 hrs IST,PTI

CHENNAI: IT Solutions provider Tata Consultancy Services continued to remain on the top slot in the Top 20 IT-BPO Employers in India for the 2009-2010 fiscal, according to industry body Nasscom.

TCS is followed by Kris Gopalakrishnan-led Infosys Technologies, while Azim Premji's Wipro ranked third, as per the National Association of Software and Service Companies.

The Chennai-headquartered Cognizant ranked fourth in the list while HCL Technologies (Noida) and Genpact (Gurgao) were ranked fifth and sixth.

Bangalore-based Mphasis, BPO provider Intelenet Global Services and Tech Mahindra were ranked seventh, eighth, and ninth, respectively.

Among those in the top-20 are Aegis Ltd (10th), Capgemini Consulting (11th ), WNS Global Services (12th), BPO firm Firstsource Solutions (13th), CSC India (14th), 3i Infotech (15th), Hinduja Global Solutions (16th), L&T Infotech (17th), Patni Computer Systems (18th), ExL Service.com (19th) and Aditya Birla Minacs Worldwide (20th).

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/TCS-tops-IT-BPO-Employers-list-in-India-Nasscom/articleshow/6228966.cms


TCS 163,700
Infosys 114,822
Wipro 1.12 lakhs

Cognizant 80,300
...

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/itslideshow/6233030.cms

Move on. Language discussion does not belong here. More science and skyscrapers, less languages.

Our state is very unique- the tourism department has rightly coined it - KARNATAKA - ONE STATE MANY WORLDS :banana:

We are different from be it Kerala,TN,AP MH etc etc,where mostly one lang rules and that is their binding ingredient,we are diverse.

We have many groups existing- Coorgis,Tulus,North Kanndigas,Konkanis,south Kannadigas,urdu(north east KA domination)
So Gentem don't you think Hindi/kannada is a language which can bind a coorgi and a Urdu guy from North east KA?? Or be it a Tulu guy and north Kannadiga?? or a coorgi and a konkani???

Think over my friend.............:)

yeah, its time to re-draw the borders of KA - form new states or give up lands to other states. :poke:

Migrants have lesser political right, a tamil in chennai exercises more right than if he is migrant in bangalore. .

Still you are not getting things right! In which way a Tamil has lesser political right in Bangalore when compared with a Kannadiga? (Anyway a majority of Tamils are not migrants, but locals. Even if a new entrant is here, he will be networked through the closely knit communities/ associations for things he may need at a street level till he acclimatize with the new surroundings. For example, Malayalees have many associations; you see Kerala samajam, Malabar Muslim association, Nair Service Society etc and umbrella organisations which keep them unified. For example, even in smaller localities too, there are ‘Karayogam’s (units) of NSS. Recently I got a call from one of my friends here to join the NSS Karayogam in our place.)

Harris is the MLA of Shantinagar, (covering the CBD of Bangalore) & Nandeesh Reddy is the MP of KR Puram. Do they have lesser rights/powers since they are Malayali/Telugu? Does that hold the true for the Tamil Corporators in BBMP? And what about the Reddy Brothers?

Consider me, i did not bother to change my voting list to here, .

The composition of your above sentence doesn’t help to comprehend it correctly. Still I assume that you intended to say that you are still not a ‘Registered VOTER’ in Bangalore. Yet you are commenting that the Tamils, Telugus or Malayalees who are here since birth and appear in electoral rolls have ‘lesser political right’. Funny enough, joke of the year:lol:. One advice, please do not go to the polling booths during election and exercise your 'rights', unless you get your own Electoral ID card.

but still i can contact some 3-4 ministers of state govt in minutes. .

Does this have any significance here in our discussion? My cousin who is a businessman in Kerala, (cashew dealer) and who supplies to the city market have more contacts in the ‘local mafia’/police/politics' than me who is a resident here, but I do not think it as a drawback for me. I never thought knowing 'X' 'Y' or 'Z' is the ultimate level of self actualisation for some!! Rather others should know you!!

BTW since you are having ‘good contacts’, I think I should keep you also in mind since my organization is in the hard core real estate/land dealings and we need such contacts often.;)

Taxation is indeed about right. Americans protested paying tax to british for they did not have political representation in british parliament.

I cannot understand what you are trying to say here. What is the example of America and British has to do here? Do you pay different taxes based on your mother tongue? Has there anything like ‘jeziya’ for Tamils, Telugus, Malayalees or Hindi wallahs in Bangalore? (BTW I have filed my returns today to the Income Tax Department, and I think my Kannadiga friend here also followed the same procedure. We both pay the same VAT or Service Tax also, as and when applicable)

I am just hinting as it is difficult for many to understand ;)

Very much Mr. gentem, it is very difficult for me to understand both, your langauge usage as well as your ideas.

Migrants have lesser political right, a tamil in chennai exercises more right than if he is migrant in bangalore.

Gentem you are talking baseless,what about the kannadigas in kasargod?? They canvas in kannada and take oath even in kannada in kerala assembly....

Apart from SSCI,I spend time on google earth also,looking at our state doesn't it look rich in minerals? Though most of the parts look like desert.:lol:

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Karnataka’s untapped mineral wealth!

By Staff Reporter Published: July 28 2010

Mining in Karnataka is one of the major industries of the state. The gold found in the Harappan sites are believed to have been excavated from the mines of Karnataka. Karnataka still continues to be equally rich in its mineral wealth.
In Karnataka iron ore maybe a hot issue, but the state has a wealth of other treasures like gold, diamond, copper, platinum, cobalt and rare earth elements. If illegal extraction of iron ore is rampant, then we can only guess what will happen if mining of these high value minerals gets a fillip.

Karnataka is endowed with fairly rich mineral wealth distributed more or less evenly all over its territory. It has one of the oldest Geological Survey Department in the Country, started as far back as 1880. The State is endowed with rich deposits of asbestos, bauxite, chromite, dolomite, gold, iron ore, limestone, kaoli, magnesite, Manganese, ochre, quartz and silica sand. It is also the sole producer of felsite, moulding sand (63%) and fuchsite quartzite (57%).

Karnataka is the major gold producing State in the Country with the two major mines located in the districts of Kolar and Raichur. The gold mines at Kolar and Hutti are producing about 3,000 kg of gold, about 84% of countries production per annum. Karnataka is very rich in Iron and Manganese ores.

The iron-ores of Bellary-Hospet region are considered to be one of the World's best iron ores. The total reserve of high grade iron ore available in the State are of the order of 1,000 Million tones. Karnataka has earned international fame for the Ornamental Granites with different hues. It has granite rock's spread over 4200 Sq.kms.

Also high value minerals – gold, diamond, titanium, cobalt, uranium, platinum and rare earth elements like lanthanum and cerium – haven’t been tapped to the full extent. There’s potential for diamond exploration in the eastern part of the state across 48,110 sq.km. As per gold deposits explored by the geological Survey of India, there are 25 million tonnes of different gold grades. Currently 12 major companies are involved in gold exploration. The state has 40,000 sqkm of green stone belt.

The government showcased the state’s high value minerals during the Global Investor’s Meet in June this year. During a presentation, commerce and industries secretary B S Ramaprasad said that state was the only one producing primary gold and one of the top in iron ore, manganese and limestone. Referring to high value minerals, he said gold. Copper and diamond were not fully explored and there was potential for titanium, and other rare earth materials.

Source: TOI (http://www.mybangalore.com/article/0710/karnatakas-untapped-mineral-wealth.html)

Though those desert patches are poverty ridden looks like they have abundant wealth in their backyard,how about buying lands in Dharwad where rich gold deposits are found and mining permits are already issued.:banana2:

Infact you can see Kolar gold fields,Bellary mines hidden in that golden patch

Still you are not getting things right! In which way a Tamil has lesser political right in Bangalore when compared with a Kannadiga? (Anyway a majority of Tamils are not migrants, but locals. Even if a new entrant is here, he will be networked through the closely knit communities/ associations for things he may need at a street level till he acclimatize with the new surroundings. For example, Malayalees have many associations; you see Kerala samajam, Malabar Muslim association, Nair Service Society etc and umbrella organisations which keep them unified. For example, even in smaller localities too, there are ‘Karayogam’s (units) of NSS. Recently I got a call from one of my friends here to join the NSS Karayogam in our place.)




Does this have any significance here in our discussion? My cousin who is a businessman in Kerala, (cashew dealer) and who supplies to the city market have more contacts in the ‘local mafia’/police/politics' than me who is a resident here, but I do not think it as a drawback for me. I never thought knowing 'X' 'Y' or 'Z' is the ultimate level of self actualisation for some!! Rather others should know you!!

BTW since you are having ‘good contacts’, I think I should keep you also in mind since my organization is in the hard core real estate/land dealings and we need such contacts often.;)



I cannot understand what you are trying to say here. What is the example of America and British has to do here? Do you pay different taxes based on your mother tongue? Has there anything like ‘jeziya’ for Tamils, Telugus, Malayalees or Hindi wallahs in Bangalore? (BTW I have filed my returns today to the Income Tax Department, and I think my Kannadiga friend here also followed the same procedure. We both pay the same VAT or Service Tax also, as and when applicable)



Very much Mr. gentem, it is very difficult for me to understand both, your langauge usage as well as your ideas.

I knew u wont understand, more so because you dont want to. There is difference between exceptions like cashew dealer and actual common majority. I meant migrants have less political right and less spend of collected tax.

^^It is you who is not 'understanding' or not getting things right!

Still you are stuck with the false notion that 'migrants have less political right'! I am asking which political right is denied to them?

I didn't undertand 'less spend of collected tax' for migrant. Are they using seperate roads, flyovers, public transport, water connections, drainage etc?

I knew u wont understand, more so because you dont want to. There is difference between exceptions like cashew dealer and actual common majority. I meant migrants have less political right and less spend of collected tax.

Friend, our Constitution guarantees all these to everyone in India whether you live in your city or otherwise. So, everyone has equal rights everywhere. However migrants may not have enough 'political support' to win elections. I think you wanted to say 'support' but used 'right' instead. Well, even this can be fixed with money power in India.

Migrants have voting rights. You just need a voter's ID card which you will get if you submit proof of residence. If you are a migrant who became a resident of that place, you have the same rights and duties on 'taxes' as existing residents - you will have to pay taxes and you can derive the same benefits from them. What else do you want?

Bangalore may have high-tech garbage recycling plants
Jayashree Nandi, TNN, Aug 2, 2010, 01.00am IST

BANGALORE: Your city could soon have high-tech garbage recycling plants. But you may have to pay a garbage cess.

Recycling plants, called waste convertors, will have two-tonne capacity. It will be set up on the lines of a solid waste recycling plant in Yelahanka. BBMP commissioner Siddaiah said, "These plants will only come up in areas where land can be acquired without much hassle and residents do not object."

He said: "It's best to prepare citizens about paying garbage cess. However, a decision has to be taken up by the council and cleared by the government.'' "We are recycling waste at two big plants near Hoskote and Doddaballapur. Now we plan to have at least two or three more,'' he claimed.

Experts say decentralized garbage management's success lies in its implementation. The Yelahanka garbage recycling unit is facing issues for being labour-intensive and generating high power bills. The plant officials have to pay Rs 40,000 per month as electricity bill. It needs at least 10 to 15 people to segregate one tonne of waste.

The Rs 1.74 crore-worth project can take a load of five tonnes but is facing problems as residents don't segregate waste before sending it to the plant. "Segregation has to be done at source, people have to co-operate with us, otherwise it will gradually become more labour-intensive," said Shivkumar C M, BBMP environmental engineer, Yelahanka.

Around 2,000 houses in Yelahanka are depending on this model. Since the plant is away from residential area, the stench doesn't bother them much. "There will be a little bit of stench around the plant but that can be managed if the process is maintained properly. We distributed green and yellow baskets so that residents segregate waste before handing it over to us. The garbage is collected in covered autos and transported to the plant,'' he said.

The plant generates manure and recycles plastic waste of around 250 to 260 kg. The organic manure is supplied to BBMP horticulture department and is used for various horticultural parks. The pellets from the recycled plastic are sold.

SEGREGATION IS KEY

Anil Derek, who was instrumental in developing the Malleswaram market organic waste-recycling unit, said a ward-wise recycling unit will have both advantages and disadvantages. These will be labour-intensive and maintenance costs can be high.

"The idea sounds romantic but where is the space to develop these and who will maintain them? We should start with one or two pilot projects where residents are enthusiastic and see how they are being maintained," he said.

According to former Karnataka Pollution Control Board chairman H C Sharathchandra, the law has a provision of levying a garbage management cess that can be used for maintenance of such plants. "If units in every ward are not maintained and waste is not segregated at source, then they will become dumpyards or breeding grounds for mosquitoes and strays,'' he said.

S N Balasumramanium, president, Garbage Contractors Association, said the Municipal Solid Wastes (Management and Handling) Rules are not followed. "Some groups segregate waste but almost all households don't know anything about segregation.''

RESIDENTSPEAK

According to N Mukund of Citizen Action Forum and Jayanagar 5th Block Residents Welfare Association, "It is a great proposal but the government should make garbage segregation at source mandatory. It won't be viable if people don't maintain these plants. I think they should start it in some wards first on a pilot basis to check how it works. The idea should be presented to all corporators in detail and see how they can maintain it," he said.

Residents such as Major Pramod Kumar of Koramangala Initiative are enthusiastic about the idea. "People don't know much about these plants. I have seen these plants and I know that they don't stink. It is only a matter of perception. These plants will be located closer to residential areas and the only problem I see is that the garbage collecting trucks are going to line up near the houses. These should be maintained regularly. We compost our waste regularly at home. Other residents can also try that and use the manure for gardens or at least segregate it before handing over," he said.

HOW IT'S DONE NOW

* City generates more than 5,000 tonnes of garbage every day

* Of this, 600 tonnes is handled by Mandur landfill site, 105 tonnes by Seemasandra landfill, 350 at Mavallipura dumpyard and 30 tonnes by Terra firm unit

* Nearly 4,000 tonnes of waste isn't managed and is dumped at several open spaces in the city

According to the latest study conducted by the department of environmental sciences, Bangalore University, the pollution in these landfills is way above tolerance levels.

The physico-chemical analysis of leachate (any liquid material that drains from land or stockpiled material) sample at Mandur site shows the presence of microrganisms such as E.Coli, iron bacteria, Vibrio spp, Streptococcus spp is very high, which can make populations vulnerable to various diseases.
TOI (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bangalore/Bangalore-may-have-high-tech-garbage-recycling-plants/articleshow/6245466.cms)

Friend, our Constitution guarantees all these to everyone in India whether you live in your city or otherwise. So, everyone has equal rights everywhere. However migrants may not have enough 'political support' to win elections. I think you wanted to say 'support' but used 'right' instead. Well, even this can be fixed with money power in India.

Migrants have voting rights. You just need a voter's ID card which you will get if you submit proof of residence. If you are a migrant who became a resident of that place, you have the same rights and duties on 'taxes' as existing residents - you will have to pay taxes and you can derive the same benefits from them. What else do you want?

I am happy at least you got something. They may have enough support in bangalore city corporation, but when it comes to state assembly which controls city, the migrants have hardly any ear lenders. Voting is only a small part of politics :)

As for VAT taxes tamils pay in bangalore, that is used to build road in my hometown, thereby increasing my net worth. While tamil guy may not even own a house in bangalore

I am happy at least you got something. They may have enough support in bangalore city corporation, but when it comes to state assembly which controls city, the migrants have hardly any ear lenders.

As for VAT taxes tamils pay in bangalore, that is used to build road in my hometown, thereby increasing my net worth. While tamil guy may not even own a house in bangalore

same goes with outsiders in chennai,i pay VAT tax and that may be used in trichy for some road development and I need not necessarily own a house in chennai,what is this discussion about,how is it going to help bangalore???

Stop the discussion and move on ...:cheers:

same goes with outsiders in chennai,i pay VAT tax and that may be used in trichy for some road development and I need not necessarily own a house in chennai,what is this discussion about,how is it going to help bangalore???

Stop the discussion and move on ...:cheers:

Again, you are an exception. We talk about majority, or "sum up" off all people living. K'taka people living in Chennai is 1/10th of tamil people living in bangalore. Dont make me repeat this point.
We talk about GDP which is sum, not some one off example like india is rich because mallya is rich. Akash, I find your point silly to come from a graduate.
I dont want to spoonfeed esp those who are not open about the outcome. I would rather give up.

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TOI (http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Client.asp?Daily=TOIBG&showST=true&login=default&pub=TOI&Enter=true&Skin=TOINEW&GZ=T&AW=1280723492968)

^^ Sum of andhra+tamil nadu+kerala is less than karnataka alone... Just an observation, not to offend anybody.