^^ YES! RENDERS PLEASE!! :D

wohooo, this is exciting.

sorry, i'm not from locsin, and I'm not sure they'll be posting any renders soon. Let me just say that Locsin did 2 square plans for the 2 new buildings with the theater applying the old man's principle of floating volume. I believe that CCP will be hlolding an exhibit for the entries of all the firms who joined the competition. That's something to watch out for.

I think you are going on a tangent here. Pakanan ang mga tao dito pero pakaliwa ka naman.

This discussion is not about your continued patronage to the CCP and your self-annointing as the sole and rightful authority to have a say in the complex's future development.

Your purported bragging rights does not hold water, ingat ka kasi baka malunod ka sa salita mo.

You should be thankful to the rest of your kababayans for giving you the privilege to attend shows at the CCP complex after they allowed Imelda Marcos to use their tax money to develop this area. Paalala lang po.

ouch! :bash: me too i will live and go, but the sun will still rise and shine, i do not have the monopoly of what's right and wrong either ouch again :bash:

LEANDRO V. LOCSIN PARTNERS, ARCHITECTS WINS THE CCP ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN COMPETITION FOR TWO ICONIC BUILDINGS

Leandro V. Locsin Partners, Architects was named the winner of the Cultural Center of the Philippines Design Competition for Two Iconic Buildings. This was announced recently by Nestor O. Jardin, chairman of the Design competition. ....http://culturalcenter.gov.ph/page.php?page_id=506

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The two iconic buildings: the new Artists Center and the new Performing Arts Theater
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The new Artists Center
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The new Performing Arts Theater

^^ Performing arts Theater looks great! :okay::okay:

LEANDRO V. LOCSIN PARTNERS, ARCHITECTS WINS THE CCP ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN COMPETITION FOR TWO ICONIC BUILDINGS

Leandro V. Locsin Partners, Architects was named the winner of the Cultural Center of the Philippines Design Competition for Two Iconic Buildings. This was announced recently by Nestor O. Jardin, chairman of the Design competition. ....http://culturalcenter.gov.ph/page.php?page_id=506

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The two iconic buildings: the new Artists Center and the new Performing Arts Theater
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The new Artists Center
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The new Performing Arts Theater

cool ^^

wow! iconic somehow.., ^^

^^ question! these new iconic buildings will become a part of the present Cultural Center Complex? or will they demolish the current buildings in exchange of these new ones? (I HOPE NOT!!! :-S )

^^ I think retained yung main CCP, PICC, Manila Film Center, Coconut Palace... the rest pwede nang gibain :lol:

I like new Performing Arts Theater.

wow! worldclass!



*pasok mga allergic sa magic word na yun* :lol:


seriously, maganda yung performing arts theater, not sure about the artists theater. o baka naman panget lang ang rendering? sana naman magawa talaga yan at hindi maging drawing lang.

^^ I think retained yung main CCP, PICC, Manila Film Center, Coconut Palace... the rest pwede nang gibain :lol:

I like new Performing Arts Theater.

ehem... star city... ehem... aliw theater... :lol:

what will happen to the current CCP buildings?

ASYA's festively garish motif is a far cry from the new iconic design of LVL Partners. CCP is now back right on track. :cheers: :cheers2:

Wonderful blog post from designkultur (http://designkultur.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/cultural-center-of-the-philippines-history-from-%E2%80%9Cimelda-marcos-the-rise-and-fall-of-one-of-the-worlds-most-powerful-women%E2%80%9D-by-carmen-navarro-pedrosa/) about the mother of CCP. I also recommend to take a look at the whole series of posts about CCP, very informative and entertaining.

CULTURAL CENTER OF THE PHILIPPINES | HISTORY
From “Imelda Marcos: The Rise and Fall of One of the World’s Most Powerful Women” by Carmen Navarro Pedrosa

http://designkultur.wordpress.com/category/the-cultural-center-of-the-philippines-suite/

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One of my favourite journalists is James Fallows. This man knows Asia like no one else. I’ve followed his career as a commentator since his 1994 book, Looking at the Sun: The Rise of the New East Asian Economic and Political System. He’s now a writer at The Atlantic, and I subscribe to his RSS feed.

Anyway, one of his recent posts referred back to a 1987 article he had written, “A Damaged Culture: A New Philippines?” (a finalist for the National Magazine Award). Here’s a quote I find apt:

But when observing Filipino friendships I thought often of the Mafia families portrayed in The Godfather: total devotion to those within the circle, total war on those outside. Because the boundaries of decent treatment are limited to the family or tribe, they exclude at least 90 percent of the people in the country. And because of this — this lack of nationalism — people treat each other worse in the Philippines than in any other Asian country I have seen.

As you can imagine, this article caused quite a stir in the Philippines when it first appeared as it details that society’s dysfunctional political, economic and cultural systems and how nothing much ever seems to change for the average Filipino. The entrenched elite (often referred to as “The Manila 400″ have little interest in making their country work for all.
About the country’s elites, one paragraph in particular jumped out at me:

Carmen Navarro Pedrosa, a writer some of whose work was banned under Marcos, recently published a debunking biography of Imelda Marcos. Its killing blow, in its final chapters, was its assertion that while Imelda always pretended to be an aristocrat, Corazon Aquino really was one: ‘Her jewels were truly heirlooms, not recent purchases from Van Cleef and Arpels. She was a true blue stocking, educated in the United States, and fluent in French. She represented all that Imelda had ever aspired to.’

Well, that seemed like quite an astute statement. I had to get Navarro Pedrosa’s book and check it out myself (any biography on Imelda is well worth reading, and this one was a very good read).

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The Marcos-Aquino families will be forever locked in a deathly embrace. I find it intriguing that Ninoy even dated the young beauty, Imelda, “back in the day” before she hitched her wagon to Marcos’s aspirations for the presidency.
But back to the Cultural Center of the Philippines. Here are the relevant bits about how Ninoy attacked Meldy’s “edifice complex”:

Of all the edifices and monuments that Imelda built during Marcos’s twenty-year rule, the Cultural Center stands out as the premier symbol of her relentless drive. It was also the first project she completed.
But Senator Benigno Aquino, whose meteoric rise in politics would later place him on a collision course with Marcos for the Presidency, attacked the expensive Cultural Center as ludicrous in an impoverished country such as the Philippines. In his memorable speech on the floor of Congress, Aquino did not condemn the idea of a Cultural Center but deplored its ostentation — and Imelda’s determination to see it through at any cost. Aquino then threw down the gauntlet and said Imelda reminded him of Evita Perón, the wife of the Argentine dictator.


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Imelda and Eva in their finest
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To the Marcoses, Aquino’s attack on Imelda’s flair and extravagance represented a major threat. Moreover, Aquino’s innuendo suggesting that these qualities were traceable to an impoverished childhood similar to Evita Perón marked a foray onto sacred ground. Since Aquino represented the Philippine social elite to which the Marcoses aspired, the attack added insult to injury. The colorful, swashbuckling senator was a true blue blood; what’s more, he was married to Corazón Cojuangco — heiress to a fabulous sugar fortune. The Conjuangcos represented the crème de la crème, at the top of Manila’s Four Hundred. They were the archetypes of Marcos’s and Imelda’s ambitions.

- Carmen Navarro Pedrosa. Imelda Marcos: The Rise and Fall of One of the World’s Most Powerful Women. New York: St. Martin’s Press, 1988 : 108-09

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left: the wedding of María Corazon “Cory” Sumúlong Cojuangco and Benigno Servillano “Ninoy” Aquino, 11 October 1954. Their principal wedding sponsor was President Ramon Magsaysay who was also the principal wedding sponsor of the lovely couple on the right.
right: the wedding of Imelda Remedios Visitacion Trinidad Romuáldez and Ferdinand Emmanuel Edralin Marcos, 1 May 1954, after a whirlwind eleven-day courtship.
In these photos, it looks as if Ninoy and Imelda are worrying about their decisions to marry, whilst future presidents Cory and Ferdie are all smiles.
Interestingly, the same courtier, and later National Artist of the Philippines, Ramon Valera, designed the wedding gowns for both women. (I keep wondering what Salvacíon Lim Higgins would have created for them, had she been asked to create the gowns.) In her early days in Manila, Imelda had modeled but could not afford Valera’s creations. Navarro Pedrosa also states that Imelda was not allowed to see Valera’s design until the big day (p. 83).

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Meldy in her modeling days, before she met Ferdy. Was that terno designed by Valera?

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Back to the Marcos-Aquino feud. The following quotation is from “Ninoy: In the Eye of Memory” by Max Soliven:

MARCOS’ NEMESIS
In a million different ways, the indefatigable Aquino bedeviled the Marcos regime, chipping away like a beaver at its monolithic façade. His most celebrated speech, insolently entitled ‘A Pantheon for Imelda,’ was delivered on February 10, 1969, and assailed the First Lady’s first extravagant project, the ₱50-million Cultural Center which he dubbed ‘a monument to shame.’ In a land where so many people were starving, Aquino challenged, why should an ostentatious edifice be built ‘so the bejeweled elite, the nation’s first 100 families… can live it up!’ He called Imelda ‘The Fabulous One’ and declared:
‘I have risen at the risk of Mrs. Marcos’s scorn and wrath, because a voice must be raised to try and put a stop to the First Family’s wasteful misuse of public money.
‘I have risen at the risk of her fury, because country and people demand they cease those wild Palace and yacht bacchanalian feasts.
‘I have risen at the risk of her spite, because out there, barely 200 meters away from a fabulous Imelda Cultural Center, a ghetto sprawls, where thousands of Filipinos are kept captives by misery and poverty… I have risen at the risk of her site, because I am plainly revolted by this will to immortality while the nation suffers and lies on the razor’s edge.’
President Marcos, outraged, called Ninoy ‘a congenital liar.’ The First Lady’s friends, while a flood of tears cascaded down her beautiful face (as faithfully recorded on television), angrily accused Aquino of being ‘ungallant.’

This, from the guy who dated Imelda briefly in the 1950s. From Katherine Ellison’s book, Imelda: Steel Butterfly of the Philippines, we find Imelda recently arrived in the “big city,” much like her contemporary, María Eva Duarte de Perón and her entry into Buenos Aires society:

Imelda went to work at the P.E. Domingo music store. The shop was on the Escolta, Manila’s main commercial thoroughfare … The Escolta was about a half hour’s drive from Quezon City, and Imelda began by commuting on the jeepneys. But after a few days, [Imelda's cousin] Paz began to worry about her traveling alone in the evenings, and asked one of her nephews to escort Imelda home from work. Imelda’s cousin-in-law was a fast-taking young Manila Times reporter and law student named Benigno Aquino, Jr.
Skinny and bespectacled, Aquino was three years younger and a few inches shorter than Imelda. But he cracked jokes, drove a white convertible Buick, and had a prestigious surname; his father had been Speaker of the House and secretary of agriculture under past administrations. More importantly, he was possibly the first eligible bachelor in Manila to whom she’d had a formal introduction …
The courtship with Aquino was little more than flirtation — an unassuming prologue to a rivalry that would last for thirty years. Both Imelda and Aquino would later tell friends that Aquino had broken it off — as he later said, because Imelda was ‘too tall and too old.’ But if Imelda was heartbroken in 1953, she didn’t seem to dwell on it. Her beauty was beginning to make her famous, bringing many more admirers and opportunities.

- Katherine Ellison, Imelda: Steel Butterfly of the Philippines. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1988 : 29-30

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One has to wonder how Philippine history would have been written had Imelda not been “too tall and too old.”

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THE MARCOSES: The former Filipino “royal” family as they envisioned themselves. Clockwise from bottom left: Maria Victoria Irene, Aimee, Imelda, Ferdinand Emmanuel (“Bongbong”) Jr., Ferdinand, and Maria Imelda Josefa “Imee”

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THE AQUINOS: Ninoy and Cory Aquino celebrate their 25th anniversary on 11 October 1979 at their Times Street home in Quezon City with children Noynoy, Pinky, Kris, Viel and Ballsy.

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^^ more renders:

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?publicationSubCategoryId=85&articleId=697169 :banana::banana:

Ok guys...now we know the winner ( congratulations by the way) and we saw the renders... the next and most vital questions is...WHEN IS IT GONNA BE BUILD??...and WHO WILL FUND IT? Because if this is just all talk and drawings and no specific plan on how or when it will actually be build then there's really no reason to celebrate...because you know our government...(well we are guilty of it too sad to say...) they can really blurt out lots of "talk" but cant actually "walk the talk" most of the time...

Forumers who are excited and enthusiastic about this project would really love any news about its progress....just imagine this...the Manila skyline by the bay, with this project together with the PAGCOR E-city lighting up manila bay..this is gonna be an awesome sight!!! but like I said....it has to be build 1st..

nice render. congrats!

the railings on the steps does not gel with the overall design. otherwise the crate and barrel bowl main structure should blend well with existing buildings there.


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the railings on the steps does not gel with the overall design. otherwise the crate and barrel bowl main structure should blend well with existing buildings there.


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wow......about time.......star city and aliw theatre should be demolished ....:)

wow......about time.......star city and aliw theatre should be demolished ....:)

AGREED.

as for the winning design, excellent minimalistic yet extravegant architecture. totally compliments the current iconic structures.

one of the few structures i would agree that is indeed WORLD CLASS.

AGREED.

as for the winning design, excellent minimalistic yet extravegant architecture. totally compliments the current iconic structures.

one of the few structures i would agree that is indeed WORLD CLASS.

well if it will be built... i agree that it is a good addition to the place.....sana lang yung film center ayusin.....sayang...at yung mga open spaces katabi nito ay gawin park.....better yet....dun ilipat si lapu-lapu sa area na yan...facing the sea

the railings on the steps does not gel with the overall design. otherwise the crate and barrel bowl main structure should blend well with existing buildings there.


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opinyon ko lang po, ok naman sya pero conventional pa rin ang design.

I hope to see something like the ArtScience Museum sa Singapore.

Anu kaya itsura nung ibang designs? Congrats sa Locsin & Partners!

hoping the design was inspired from nature...biomimicry to have sustainable design...

Who designed Star City and Aliw Theatre? Those are really ugly structures.

^^ I thought it was looking ok

^^ aliw theater is... meh... mmmkay, but it doesn't blend well with the modernity of the structures structures around the complex.

When will it be built?? baka puro drawing na naman yan at kwentong barbero, usapang lasing...

^^ THINK POSITIVE! WALANG AAYAW!!! :lol:

Finally, a cultural center design that truly belongs to the Filipino people. Great job Locsin and Partners!

^^ actually the whole ccp complex is made by the filipino people for the filipino people. I remember going to Viva la imelda tour of Mr Celdran... he emphasized that the whole complex was built soley by filipino engineers, architects, even the contractors who built the structures. Pati materials, from crushed shells from the visayas na hinalo sa cement to capiz chandeliers at the ccp main lobby... may mga visual art pa from national artists.

They say CCP is the edifice complex of Imelda Marcos, I say it's a teaser of what we could've been, should've been. Sigh... :ohno: (masakit talaga sa dibdib alalahanin ang nakaraan na sa kwento nalang naririnig :nuts: )

Sorry for the buzzkill :lol:

I'm actually kinda dissapointed with this design. It is clear Locsin jr. won't be inheriting his dad's talents with iconic structures. Nvertheless, its not a bad design, especially theatre which echoes the original theater with its cubic forms. The artists' center however is not very well designed. About the above post, yes, it is quite a pity that Filipino arts and culture aren't regarded as highly today as during those days.

^^ actually the whole ccp complex is made by the filipino people for the filipino people. I remember going to Viva la imelda tour of Mr Celdran... he emphasized that the whole complex was built soley by filipino engineers, architects, even the contractors who built the structures. Pati materials, from crushed shells from the visayas na hinalo sa cement to capiz chandeliers at the ccp main lobby... may mga visual art pa from national artists.

They say CCP is the edifice complex of Imelda Marcos, I say it's a teaser of what we could've been, should've been. Sigh... :ohno: (masakit talaga sa dibdib alalahanin ang nakaraan na sa kwento nalang naririnig :nuts: )

Sorry for the buzzkill :lol:

That's ok! I am actually learning pa nga e! Great info btw! :) I just wish, the theater and performing arts reach the masses for it to serve it's purpose FOR the filipino people. :)

Hope we can see the whole render of the new design. :)

Iconic buildings? not really... lalo na yung Artists Center. I hope the interior has the WOW factor. :cheers:

I'm gonna get a lot of flak but those structures are blah. Well, aside from the Coconut Palace, none of the structures in the CCP Complex inspire me anyway. I am not a Locsin fan and will never be one.

Also, I don't understand why the structures NECESSARILY have to be designed by a Filipino Architect? Why can't there be an international competition? Pit our best architects with the world's best. And, even if an international firm wins, is that structure going to be less Filipino than one designed by a Filipino architect? Cases in point:

Australia's most iconic structure, the Sydney Opera House - designed by DANISH Architect Jorn Utzon.

Bilbao's most iconic structure, the Guggenheim Museum - designed by AMERICAN architect Frank Gehry.

One of Prague's most important structures (at least, my favorite), the Fred and Ginger building - designed by the same Mr. Frank Gehry.

I don't think anyone can deny that these structures have helped define Sydney's, Bilbao's and Prague's image internationally. But none of their most iconic structures was designed by locals.

I'm not saying that we're not capable. Palafox and Associates, Recio and Casas, Manosa and Associates are all amazing architectural firms. But building an iconic structure for Manila is not an endeavor exclusive to the Philippines's best architects. Perhaps, the competition will only inspire them more.

you cannot please everybody.. napili na ang design, dedma na lang sa mga hindi nagkagusto sa design.. let the construction begin!

I'm gonna get a lot of flak but those structures are blah. Well, aside from the Coconut Palace, none of the structures in the CCP Complex inspire me anyway. I am not a Locsin fan and will never be one.

Also, I don't understand why the structures NECESSARILY have to be designed by a Filipino Architect? Why can't there be an international competition? Pit our best architects with the world's best. And, even if an international firm wins, is that structure going to be less Filipino than one designed by a Filipino architect? Cases in point:

Australia's most iconic structure, the Sydney Opera House - designed by DANISH Architect Jorn Utzon.

Bilbao's most iconic structure, the Guggenheim Museum - designed by AMERICAN architect Frank Gehry.

One of Prague's most important structures (at least, my favorite), the Fred and Ginger building - designed by the same Mr. Frank Gehry.

I don't think anyone can deny that these structures have helped define Sydney's, Bilbao's and Prague's image internationally. But none of their most iconic structures was designed by locals.

I'm not saying that we're not capable. Palafox and Associates, Recio and Casas, Manosa and Associates are all amazing architectural firms. But building an iconic structure for Manila is not an endeavor exclusive to the Philippines's best architects. Perhaps, the competition will only inspire them more.

the problem is not the design..its the budget..an average condo is built for about P2billion...iconic cannot be achieved on this budget which is why we rely on reinforced concrete and then paint it since cladding like the titanium of bilbao is in dreamland territory.

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Did they just pick that design because of Locsin?

I dont really like the design either :dunno:

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Did they just pick that design because of Locsin?

pangit! parang lasing yung gumawa nito. :D :lol:

Wow the only thing lacking is the pouring of thick maple syrup on top, pancake na pancake ang dating. Sarap. San na kaya ang coffee ko?

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People are gonna see it in these angles naman eh, so I guess it's still better than that of Locsin's. But I guess hindi naman yan maimplement ng maayos like what happened at the Circulo del Mundo Rotunda. Kaya siguro the judges decided to stay away from the "gulo-gulo" designs na uso ngayon.

^^ maganda lang pagkakarender.

maganda to kesa kay locsin

hindi match o bagay sa brutalist design ng CCP yung losing entry.

Nubayan, may nagku-kungfu sa stairs. Patawa naman yung gumawa ng render.


OnT: I like both, but prefer Locsin's design more.

I think the losing design is more futuristic and unique. It could define or symbolize Manila. When people would see a photo of it, they would say, "it's in Manila". It's also a switch from the boxy types that we are accustomed to. It would not complement the existing structures because it's more eye-catching and more beautiful.

like this losing "collapsing pancake tower" entry.

UNLIKE this "pancake house" style design. walang "world class appeal". kung ihambing natin sa "durian" style ng Singapore o sa "Egg" shape ng Beijing, walang wala. kung gusto talga ng CCP na maging "hub" tayo ng Culture and Arts of Asia. Dapat advance tayo sa lahat. dapat may world class appeal. iconic pero hindi napapaglumaan ng panahon. in short, classic yet stylish - high end taste, grandeur yet modern.

hayyyyy.... :lol:

:cheers:

opinyon ko lang po, ok naman sya pero conventional pa rin ang design.

I hope to see something like the ArtScience Museum sa Singapore.

^^agree...

In terms of being daring and eye-catching, the Buensalido entry is better, but then medyo derivative siya. Its something that can be seen in works by Zaha Hadid so hindi masyado original. Yung kay Locsin naman, medyo generic ng konti pero I like na inemulate niya yung ginawa ng dad niya by retaining the shape and integrating the old design into the new one. Basta ang sakin, magawa na ang mga additions na to.

UNLIKE this "pancake house" style design. walang "world class appeal". kung ihambing natin sa "durian" style ng Singapore o sa "Egg" shape ng Beijing, walang wala. kung gusto talga ng CCP na maging "hub" tayo ng Culture and Arts of Asia. Dapat advance tayo sa lahat. dapat may world class appeal. iconic pero hindi napapaglumaan ng panahon. in short, classic yet stylish - high end taste, grandeur yet modern.

hayyyyy.... :lol:

:cheers:

agree. too messy. it's a collapsed and rounded knock off of the Sydney Opera House in some of its angles.

^^ may potential naman sumikat yung "pancake design".. may shock value kasi haha

agree. too messy. it's a collapsed and rounded knock off of the Sydney Opera House in some of its angles.

I don't see the Sydney Opera House in any angle. meh, maybe its just me. :lol:

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Did they just pick that design because of Locsin?

i do like this design.. kala ko ito ang winning design.. ganda nito.. sayang.. btw, what will happen to the fountain?!

^^ I think retained yung main CCP, PICC, Manila Film Center, Coconut Palace... the rest pwede nang gibain :lol:

I like new Performing Arts Theater.

sakop ba nito yung pier one, wensha, the old boom na boom site?

Ok guys...now we know the winner ( congratulations by the way) and we saw the renders... the next and most vital questions is...WHEN IS IT GONNA BE BUILD??...and WHO WILL FUND IT? Because if this is just all talk and drawings and no specific plan on how or when it will actually be build then there's really no reason to celebrate...because you know our government...(well we are guilty of it too sad to say...) they can really blurt out lots of "talk" but cant actually "walk the talk" most of the time...

Forumers who are excited and enthusiastic about this project would really love any news about its progress....just imagine this...the Manila skyline by the bay, with this project together with the PAGCOR E-city lighting up manila bay..this is gonna be an awesome sight!!! but like I said....it has to be build 1st..


question: private ba ang magpapagawa nito?

^^ nice designs.. two thumbs up!!

teka, dami na ng mga usapan natin eh ang ccp di naman pagagandahin, ilelease lang nila sa mga big co. like megaworld,sm and ayala residential projects, ang alam ko ang ccp gagawing sm mall, may design na dati nyan at approve na mula pa kay gma at nitong kay aquino ay inapprove na rin

teka, dami na ng mga usapan natin eh ang ccp di naman pagagandahin, ilelease lang nila sa mga big co. like megaworld,sm and ayala residential projects, ang alam ko ang ccp gagawing sm mall, may design na dati nyan at approve na mula pa kay gma at nitong kay aquino ay inapprove na rin

:lol:... :rofl:

CCP-BUENSALIDO ARCHITECTS

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I like these photos compared to the winning design of Locsin...

Buensalido design - 4/5 stars...iconic and modern design with eco-architectural design complementary to the Philippine tropical environment.
Locsin design - 3/5 stars...conventional design mas may appeal pa yung original CCP design compared to this.

I guess kulang lang ng APEX (something 'amazing' crown at the top of the building) ang Buensalido design to highlight the overall render of it.
The last photo (night) is perfect for an open theater/opera/concert grounds.

just my opinion folks.

I don't see the Sydney Opera House in any angle. meh, maybe its just me. :lol:

Yes. Sydney Opera House has pointed roof edges, while this has rounded roof. I like the stairs. They emphasize the expansive open place. Locsin's Artist Center design is terribly blank, showing lack of effort and imagination.

ok yung winning design but it's bland...

Dapat talaga iconic, gawa sila ng design inspired by the Banaue Rice Terraces

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Did they just pick that design because of Locsin?

Parang tae ng baka. :lol:

It looks radical but not elegant enough. Glad that didn't win.

The performing arts theater will only contain two main performing spaces for the public: 1)The 1000 seat theater and 2) 300 Seat Block box theater.

Comments on the 1000 seat theater: Its obviously a "Concert theater type" which means its made for a variety of performances. Why can't they just made a specific place for a specific type of performance? I understand that they are currently lacking performance space, but they will still invest in other iconic buildings in the future. Let the PAT be a concert hall, specifically made for music concerts(not theatrical/musical theatrical)! The artist center and PAT are just two of the 6 projected iconic bldgs the CCP will make. I'm afraid that because they are trying to make a technological "updated" CCP main theater so that they wont be "crowded" in the current CCP bldg, it would compromise music performances and will not be at par with the facilities in other countries. For example: I DOUBT THEY WILL PUT A PIPE ORGAN in that new theater and because of such, we the filipino people will still be lacking in terms of hearing beautiful music which requires such an instrument. We will not be hearing the full beauty of Mahler symphonies which other countries enjoy.

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Did they just pick that design because of Locsin?

Pano mananalo to e walang originality....kinopya lang design ni Zaha Hadid...
Tignan nyo tong website na to:http://www.zaha-hadid.com/

Di naman sa design. it is whom you know

yup.. plus it may be what the whole complex will offer over the other competitors... if design i copied.. di na problema ng CCP un.. ung architectural group ang may problem dun... plus i didn't see anything in the zaha-hadid site that is the same as the design... they may have similarity but not the same...

IMO, Locisn's Entry is far more better than BUENSALIDO. Mukha lang talagang Pancakes, tsaka masyadong extreme na hindi na mag cocomplement sa Original CCP. :okay:

IMO, Locisn's Entry is far more better than BUENSALIDO. Mukha lang talagang Pancakes, tsaka masyadong extreme na hindi na mag cocomplement sa Original CCP. :okay:

agree.....classy yung sa locsin.....yung sa buensalido not really an original concept...doesn't jibe well with the present bldgs there....

Pano mananalo to e walang originality....kinopya lang design ni Zaha Hadid...
Tignan nyo tong website na to:http://www.zaha-hadid.com/

Totally agree. No originality.

agree.....classy yung sa locsin.....yung sa buensalido not really an original concept...doesn't jibe well with the present bldgs there....

Buensalido's concept is to blend with the main theater but again the pancake look is not that original

2 months after the winning design came out we are still talking about it....can we move on??....like...WHEN IS THIS GOING TO BE BUILD??....any ideas guys?..articles?..news?...or even rumors?.....we cant talk and stay on the drawing board forever....

Kung gobyerno ang gagawa nito baka maging aluminum cladding na lang ang curtain wall. :lol: mas masahol pa ang gobyerno natin sa CPI. :lol:

ewan ko lang ha, pero MW and SM land ang nakakuha sa ccp complex, i don't know bat nagpacontest pa sila ng design? something corruption in on the ground, a last punch before it goes down

ICONS: CCP ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN COMPETITION WINNERS EXHIBIT

ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN COMPETITION EXHIBIT OPENS AT CCP

THE Cultural Center of the Philippines unveils an exhibition of architectural designs entitled ICONS: Traditions and Transformation in Philippine Architecture (CCP Architectural Design Competition winners) on Thursday, September 8, 2011 at the CCP Bulwagang Juan Luna (Main Gallery) at 6:00 p.m. The event is in celebration of the CCP’s 42nd anniversary.

Said exhibit is part of the CCP Architectural Design Competition held last March 2011 for the two new iconic structures: The Performing Arts Theater and the Artists’ Center.

Held in two stages, the competition was open to all Filipino architects who were part of duly registered architectural firms in the country. Last April, five finalists were selected from 17 entries that included major architectural firms in the country. These were Lor Calma and Partners, Palafox Associates, Syndicated Architects, Buensalido Architects and Leandro V. Locsin Partners, Architects. The exhibit will showcase each of these finalists’ proposals, including the conceptualization and design process for iconic structures of the arts.

“The finalists were chosen based on their track records, past achievements of the principal architects and the congruence of their design concept for the two buildings with our vision for the CCP Complex,” said Nestor Jardin, Project Director of the CCP Asset Development and Chairman of the CCP Architectural Design Competition.

Last June 3, the Locsin design was finally selected for the two iconic buildings. According to the said group, the design for the two new buildings was conceived to evoke the idea of sculptures within a larger garden and on another level to recall the archipelagic arrangement of an island, a mangrove cluster or Badjao village, and a wave on a promontory rising out of the sea, all possible metaphors for the expression of a national architecture.

The winning design of the new Artists Center by Leandro V. Locsin Partners, Architects

The new Artists Center as designed would contrast the CCP Main Theater’s solid singularity. It will feature a series of lighter, transparent pavilions and is envisioned as an arts facility that will serve the mandate of the CCP to train and educate artists, arts and cultural managers, teachers and public.

The winning design of the new Performing Arts Theater by Leandro V. Locsin Partners, Architects

The new Performing Arts Theater will be more formal but still approachable as bicycle and pedestrian ramps and a grand entrance leading to the main lobby beckons all to step into the public space. It will have an audience capacity of 1,000 to serve the growing need for additional performing arts venue.

The new Artists Center and the new Performing Arts Theater are two of the seven iconic buildings that will form the centerpiece of the CCP Complex Master Development Plan which is aimed at redeveloping the 62-hectare property of the CCP. The seven iconic buildings are CCP Artists’ Center, Performing Arts Theater, Museum of the Philippine Arts, Cultural Resource Center, CCP Film Complex, Contemporary Art Museum of the Philippines, Popular Arts Theater, which will be constructed to provide world-wide facilities and spaces for the artists and the core programs of the Cultural Center of the Philippines.

The exhibit will be on view until October 9, 2011. Likewise, weekly lecture series will be conducted by architects who joined the competition and are expected to be attended by students in architecture, design and urban planning.

The project team is composed of Nestor Jardin (director, CCP Architectural Design Competition/Curator), Eva Mari Salvador (Exhibit Manager), Luigi Sison (Curator) and Eric Cruz (Exhibit Design).

For more information, please call the CCP Complex Development Office at 551-7248.

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Target Completion 2050?:lol::lol::lol:
Sobrang tagal na itong pinaplano, kung gobyerno ang gagawa nito baka di lang 2050 ang target completion nito baka 2080 hahaha:lol::lol::lol:

the problem is not the design..its the budget..an average condo is built for about P2billion...iconic cannot be achieved on this budget which is why we rely on reinforced concrete and then paint it since cladding like the titanium of bilbao is in dreamland territory.

I completely disagree. Achieving iconic status is ABOUT design, everything else flows from good design. Have you seen the OTHER Guggenheim in New York? An equally iconic structure but made out of pre-cast concrete blocks and built on a cheaper budget than that of Bilbao's (inflation taken into consideration).

Other worthy examples abound, but you get the point. A shoestring budget should never compromise good design.

I completely disagree. Achieving iconic status is ABOUT design, everything else flows from good design. Have you seen the OTHER Guggenheim in New York? An equally iconic structure but made out of pre-cast concrete blocks and built on a cheaper budget than that of Bilbao's (inflation taken into consideration).

Other worthy examples abound, but you get the point. A shoestring budget should never compromise good design.

there are structural basics especially for earthquake countries which elevate costs and require more expensive materials for greater tensile strength..but taking these issues aside the reason for concrete being a very dominant theme in Manila has been cost. Why the architecture has not been adventurous must be related to this fact.

I think this cultural center in Azerbaijan is really an iconic structure. Do you think the way they are constructing it is too expensive for CCP's budget?



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^^ ganda naman nito, sa Baku (capital ng Azerbaijan) ba 'to ..?

I think this cultural center in Azerbaijan is really an iconic structure. Do you think the way they are constructing it is too expensive for CCP's budget?

by far. because of the unique design, each aluminum (?) plate for the cladding is custom-molded. so yes, it's very expensive.

Ang ganda naman non sa Azerbaijan. Like!:okay:

^^ ganda naman nito, sa Baku (capital ng Azerbaijan) ba 'to ..?

Yes, daming iconic buildings na gagawin sa Baku.

the railings on the steps does not gel with the overall design. otherwise the crate and barrel bowl main structure should blend well with existing buildings there.


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Ang panget ng design.

Mas maganda at mukhang mas grande ito:

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Ang panget ng design.

I love to read more real reactions like yours in other projects :cheers:

Share ko lang...PICC will also be renovated.

Biz Buzz: Recapturing PICC’s old glory
http://business.inquirer.net/22565/biz-buzz-recapturing-picc%e2%80%99s-old-glory

By: the staff
Philippine Daily Inquirer 12:45 am
Monday, October 3rd, 2011

The Philippine International Convention Center is in the process of getting a major facelift amid the government’s expectations of an influx of conventions and exhibits as the business environment improves.

According to our source, the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas has authorized the renovation of the facility, which is estimated to cost at least P35 million, ahead of next year’s Asian Development Bank annual meeting, which will be held at the facility.

(Why the BSP? Recall that it was the old Central Bank of the Philippines that funded the Leandro Locsin-designed convention center in the 1970s.)

The renovation calls for the sprucing up of PICC’s convention halls, meeting rooms and other facilities, to better attract big-money conventions from abroad. This development will be good for other “bay area” hotels (Manila Bay, that is)—including the adjacent Sofitel Hotel—which have lost ground in recent years to their more accessible Makati area rivals.

But it’s not only the ADB meeting that the PICC will be hosting. The government is also bidding to host the IMF-World Bank annual meeting in 2015, which will be the last such meeting of the Aquino administration.

If successful, that will mark a full circle for PICC, which was launched in 1976 for … that year’s IMF-World Bank annual meeting.—Daxim L. Lucas

share ko lang....


napunta ako sa ccp kanina at nakita ko mga designs para sa redevelopment ng ccp
magaganda naman ang mga designs pero ni isa ay walang kongkretong pagka iconic para sa mata ng mga banyaga, may kasama akong 18 na amerikano at canadian,ini isa isa ko sila sa mga design na nakikita nila at eto ang tanong ko

what can you say about our ccp redevelopment plan?
sabi sa akin ng isa, it's nice and beautiful
2nd question ko, could this be in the top 10 of the best world architecture? frankly answers please?
sabi nila, well,in south africa alone they have so many beautiful and iconic designs for architecture
sabi ko, why africa?
sagot sa akin, there is south east asia, east asia, europe and america which are more distinct and keen on future designs and a touch of history on it
sabi ko, well, maybe mall of asia will be one?
one say's, mall of asia is pretty much in the philippines but not in south east asia
sabi ko okay... tapos naglibot libot kami

sa napansin ko,kulang na nga tayo sa pera kulang pa tayo sa architecture,kulang pa tayo sa promotion...

pano kaya ang turismo natin uunlad kong puro heritage sites lang ang mapupuntahan at di pa namaimaimtain ng maayos.

ano na kaya ang susunod na henerasyon ng kalakhang maynila sa larangan ng turismo?

I think this cultural center in Azerbaijan is really an iconic structure. Do you think the way they are constructing it is too expensive for CCP's budget?



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tangina...napamura tuloy ako sa ganda nito...namangha ako !! sana ganyan sa CCP !

seryoso talaga ang baku sa development kaya ganyan sila, kahit muslim country sila di raw hadlang ang relihiyon sa turismo

It really is a cultural problem on the design aesthetics here in the Philippines....so conservative, all buildings have that box and box and box design, aside from some buildings in Ortigas and Bonifacio, almost all building in the Philippines doesn't even qualify as a landmark, not because they are ugly...but because there is really nothing note-worthy about them, and attaching lines like "iconic" in there building's description is just sad, for me, the GT tower in Makati is I think the Only building that qualify enough as a landmark.

Future architects of the country should really try broadening their horizons. Come'on, Malaysia's Petronas was built when they were still a 3rd World country (at a time our GDP is farther ahead than them), and now look at them. Beautiful buildings not only make an awesome landmark, it makes the country known, and inspire creativity and progress. tsk.

Future architects of the country should really try broadening their horizons.

Or open up to architects of foreign nationalities for such government projects.

Or open up to architects of foreign nationalities for such government projects.

Just like what China kept on doing to their projects? Nah... not in my good conscience could I consider a foreign made national edifice truly an "iconic" building Filipinos can be proud of, not being cliche nor cheesy, but a Filipino made national building is something to be proud of, just design with more than boxes in mind. IMO. :)

^^ Well, you mentioned the Petronas Towers as an icon for Malaysia. Correct me if I'm wrong, but, it was not designed by a Malaysian. Does that make it less of a Malaysian icon?

^^ Well, you mentioned the Petronas Towers as an icon for Malaysia. Correct me if I'm wrong, but, it was not designed by a Malaysian. Does that make it less of a Malaysian icon?

Petronas is an oil corporation it maybe state-owned but it's not the same as being CULTURAL CENTER OF THE PHILIPPINES. Petronas is an icon, but CCP is more than just a building that needs to be iconic, it represents the Filipino Culture in it's physial form as a monument to it. Don't tell me a foreigner is the one who an represent that Filipino Culture in any way, shape, or form. Why not let a Filipino show it instead...and it's all about design, as I am saying, a boxy design as what is the current render stands, is not represenative of the Filipino aesthetics IMO. :)

^^ If we close the "market" to just Filipino players, it may be that the progress and the level of innovation in Filipino architecture (and also in our other markets) would be slow. Some foreign players, in any industry, have had more experiences than some local players. The innovation that they could infuse in PH might just set the bar higher in their specific industries.

We might get to have a new benchmark for Filipino architects. I'm not saying that Filipino architects are not nor cannot be creative. But, spiking up competition will demand them to create better and better designs suitable to the clients' needs and budget.

there are structural basics especially for earthquake countries which elevate costs and require more expensive materials for greater tensile strength..but taking these issues aside the reason for concrete being a very dominant theme in Manila has been cost. Why the architecture has not been adventurous must be related to this fact.


Agreed, but the dominant use of concrete should never be an excuse for bad design. The Guggenheim in New York is a perfect example of that.

Petronas is an oil corporation it maybe state-owned but it's not the same as being CULTURAL CENTER OF THE PHILIPPINES. Petronas is an icon, but CCP is more than just a building that needs to be iconic, it represents the Filipino Culture in it's physial form as a monument to it. Don't tell me a foreigner is the one who an represent that Filipino Culture in any way, shape, or form. Why not let a Filipino show it instead...and it's all about design, as I am saying, a boxy design as what is the current render stands, is not represenative of the Filipino aesthetics IMO. :)

I can rebut your argument with ONE EXAMPLE.

The Sydney Opera House.

Australia's most iconic structure and arguably, the symbol of its cultural heritage was not designed by an Australian (it was designed by Danish Architect Jorn Utzon). Yet, the SOH has become Australia's most important man-made landmark.

It doesn't have to be designed by a Filipino to be truly Filipino. Sometimes, a foreigner's perspective may better encapsulate the essence of Filipino-hood.
Besides, more competition - whether local or foreign - will force our local architects to be more adventurous; to break the mold, create something fresh, something innovative.

The photos I've shown above (Cultural Center in Azerbaijan) was designed by Zaha Hadid and not by a local. But really, like what @Vestige is saying, it would be great if a Filipino would design such an iconic structure that we can be proud of.

The Statue of Liberty, America's symbol of freedom, power and might is a work of French men. Iconic symbols do not choose a maker, a designer or a planner. In olden days, the likes of Taj Mahal, Angkor Watt, Borubudur, Haggia Sophia, St. Peter's Cathedral, pyramids of Egypt and Latin America, Petra, palaces and castles, temples, etc. were more or less made by the inhabitants of the places where they were erected. In modern times, globalization and competition help export of ideas, goods and services from one country to another. SOH and Petronas are good examples just like the Turning Torso, Dubai's iconic buildings and countless of buildings in many countries including the Philippines.

Para sa 'kin, basta super iconic s'ya, kahit sinong gumawa. The important thing is that it would be financed by Filipinos.

We need a new breed of architects. We are so stuck sa boxy architectures.

The photos I've shown above (Cultural Center in Azerbaijan) was designed by Zaha Hadid and not by a local. But really, like what @Vestige is saying, it would be great if a Filipino would design such an iconic structure that we can be proud of.

Yup, but I guess we don't have the confidence to believe in our fellow Filipino to make an iconic structure, and change the way architecture and design in the country deviate from the prevalent boxy designs they are oh-so found of designing. If only we think like the English (west) and count like the Chinese, maybe then we could have liberal thinking Filipinos design unique structures financed by Filipinos.

Off-topic, is the worlds largest tent structure also in Azerbaijan? What's up with that country anyway? Seems like they're making strides silently. :)

If we thought like the "English" and like the "Chinese", we would have long opened our markets to foreign players and we might have seen faster progress for the Philippines.

Granted Zaha Hadids work in China, as wild as they get, are really photogenic and pretty from afar. But up close, the details suffer; we do not think that is acceptable. Even the most technologically advanced contractors and architects in the world manage to screw up the details of such a complex building.

We do not want to step too far ahead of our technological capacities in the Philippines because we do not want the tectonic details of this building to suffer too. It is better to be simpler yet more refined and resolved.

speaking about filipino architects as not adventurous enough as to their designs, yes there is truth to that but the basics that restrains them to do so is money matters...

question how could you do as we say an iconic design when first hand we are restrained with monetary concerns....there is no better than the other when money matters speaks to.

hi guys, I am part of the team which designed the Locsin entry. I can not say too much though about schedules and things like that. But I can say that it is slowly but surely moving along.

Its interesting to hear all your comments. Locsin has always been about being subtle. The guiding principle we used was "restraint." Sir Andy Locsin was firm in his resolve to keep everything very restrained in terms of articulation and massing. Simple lang dapat.

We had long discussions about how wild we will go and in the end he told us that it would be better to do something that is not too far ahead of its time in order for the tectonics not to suffer.

Granted Zaha Hadids work in China, as wild as they get, are really photogenic and pretty from afar. But up close, the details suffer; we do not think that is acceptable. Even the most technologically advanced contractors and architects in the world manage to screw up the details of such a complex building.

We do not want to step too far ahead of our technological capacities in the Philippines because we do not want the tectonic details of this building to suffer too. It is better to be simpler yet more refined and resolved.

Well, that should have been a challenge to any team. Palafox is known for creating beautiful buildings with sound engineering. People always find solutions to problems like those of Petronas, Taipei 101, Burj Al Arab and the artificial islands of Dubai, China's Jiaozhou Bridge, etc. We deserve an iconic building specially at the Cultural Complex and not just a simple one. Let's face it . The problem is the budget. If I'm wrong, then, we don't have architects with brilliant minds and imaginations.

@watcher09

Well beauty is a matter of taste and simplicity has its own beauty too. Complexity for its own sake is misdirected. Just because you can do it, does not mean you should. A complicated does not necessarily mean more iconic. Actually, I think that simpler buildings have more potential to be iconic.

On the issue of budget. The average cost to construct of Taipei 101 is 187000php based on Wikipedia. The average cost of the CCP development should fall around 50000 per sqm. Tell me how that should compare?

The total budget for the CCP development is 1.8Billion PHP. 1 Billion for the Artists center and 800 million for the Performing Arts Theater. This is based on the CCP brief files found online:
http://culturalcenter.gov.ph/UserFiles/ccp//forms/Guidelines%20-%20CCP%20Design%20Competition.pdf

Well beauty is a matter of taste and simplicity has its own beauty too. Complexity for its own sake is misdirected. Just because you can do it, does not mean you should. A complicated does not necessarily mean more iconic. Actually, I think that simpler buildings have more potential to be iconic.

Thank you for sharing your views, though, I'm the least convinced. Iconic objects have characteristics of an icon and are readily recognizable and generally represent objects or concepts with great cultural significance.
Some are cultural / national icons and therefore iconic:
Australia - Sydney Opera House
Brazil - Christ The Redeemer
Cambodia - Angkor Wat
China - Great Wall Of China
England - Houses of Parliament / Big Ben
France - Eiffel Tower
India - Taj Mahal
Indonesia - Borobudur
Italy - Colosseum and The Leaning Tower of Pisa
Malaysia - Petronas Towers
Russia - St. Basil's Cathedral
Scotland - Edinburgh Castle
Taiwan - Taipei 101
Turkey - Haggia Sophia
USA - Empire State Building and Statue of Liberty

I don't think they are simple looking. If buildings were simpler, could they be more recognizable? Iconic ones must be recognizable.

On the issue of budget. The average cost to construct of Taipei 101 is 187000php based on Wikipedia. The average cost of the CCP development should fall around 50000 per sqm. Tell me how that should compare?

The total budget for the CCP development is 1.8Billion PHP. 1 Billion for the Artists center and 800 million for the Performing Arts Theater. This is based on the CCP brief files found online:
http://culturalcenter.gov.ph/UserFiles/ccp//forms/Guidelines%20-%20CCP%20Design%20Competition.pdf

If CCP development has a huge budget but we are building simpler buildings, then where will the money go? If we have enough money and yet we are having simple buildings, then, so sorry because it can be deemed that our architects can't conceive extraordinary designs or our engineers can't cope with technological advancement.

Agreed, those buildings are icons. And surely these great buildings cost a great deal of money. But I think you misunderstood my previous post. The point i was trying to make is that the CCP buildings do not have enough budget. Our budget per square meter is less than 1/3 of the taipei 101. 50k php per sqm compared to the Taipei 101, 180k php per square meter

It is quite easy to think of extraordinary designs. Really. Anything can be done in 3d. So we can think of them, but we would be fooling ourselves if we think that we can build our wildest dreams on a shoestring budget.

Also, I think we are having a difference in our terminology. I would like to be clear that I am using the word complex and complicated to refer to works done in the "parametricist" style as promoted by Patrik Schumaker and all. I agree, those buildings you posted are iconic but they are not complex. In fact, i would argue that their iconic nature comes from the simplicity of their form and the strength of their detailing.

I'm gonna get a lot of flak but those structures are blah. Well, aside from the Coconut Palace, none of the structures in the CCP Complex inspire me anyway. I am not a Locsin fan and will never be one.

Also, I don't understand why the structures NECESSARILY have to be designed by a Filipino Architect? Why can't there be an international competition? Pit our best architects with the world's best. And, even if an international firm wins, is that structure going to be less Filipino than one designed by a Filipino architect? Cases in point:

Australia's most iconic structure, the Sydney Opera House - designed by DANISH Architect Jorn Utzon.

Bilbao's most iconic structure, the Guggenheim Museum - designed by AMERICAN architect Frank Gehry.

One of Prague's most important structures (at least, my favorite), the Fred and Ginger building - designed by the same Mr. Frank Gehry.

I don't think anyone can deny that these structures have helped define Sydney's, Bilbao's and Prague's image internationally. But none of their most iconic structures was designed by locals.

I'm not saying that we're not capable. Palafox and Associates, Recio and Casas, Manosa and Associates are all amazing architectural firms. But building an iconic structure for Manila is not an endeavor exclusive to the Philippines's best architects. Perhaps, the competition will only inspire them more.

@red_eagle_1982 - One word: Western-centric. Why do you keep on getting examples from the West? So what if that's what Bilbao did? So what if that's what Prague did? So what if they hired a foreigner? Did the Indians hired a foreigner to design Taj Mahal? Did the Cambodians hired a foreigner to design Ankor Wat? The US hired American Frank Lloyd Wright for its Guggenheim. Japan hired Japanese Toyo Ito for its museum. Don't be so narrow-minded. You say that the Fred and Ginger building is your favorite, why, have you been inside that building? Have you experienced its totality? Or you just saw a couple photos of it from you desktop? Big difference.

Appreciation requires sensibility. Gehry finds beauty in crumpled paper. If not one building in the CCP Complex inspires you, I guess your numb.

I can rebut your argument with ONE EXAMPLE.

The Sydney Opera House.

Australia's most iconic structure and arguably, the symbol of its cultural heritage was not designed by an Australian (it was designed by Danish Architect Jorn Utzon). Yet, the SOH has become Australia's most important man-made landmark.

It doesn't have to be designed by a Filipino to be truly Filipino. Sometimes, a foreigner's perspective may better encapsulate the essence of Filipino-hood.
Besides, more competition - whether local or foreign - will force our local architects to be more adventurous; to break the mold, create something fresh, something innovative.

RECIPROCITY: Foreign architects can be allowed to design in our country, if and only if, we are allowed to do the same thing in their country.

To all those who are criticizing, what have you done to help Filipino architecture? Seriously, I would like to know.

Sudark, Taipei 101 has 101 floors (5 floors underground) and is one of the largest and tallest buidlings in the world. Maybe, you can compare the two proposed CCP building to the nearest category. Engineering is not my turf, so I can't argue much, though, can't we use any Filipino ingenuity? It's a cultural center and we always wanted a standout edifice, unique (Locsin's design of the roof is not unique as there's a building in QC which has like it) and an eye-pleaser, something that will make Manila known or that will put anybody in remembrance of Manila. We want something that will make people exclaim and say whenever they will see a picture of it - "Aaah, that's in Manila". I'm so sorry, but I think your team is missing that chance.

To all those who are criticizing, what have you done to help Filipino architecture? Seriously, I would like to know.

Well, I have a collection of old Philippine houses, churches, etc. including huts (bahay kubo). I show them to my friends and encourage them to appreciate Filipino Architecture.

It's obvious that I don't have the capability and resources to finance an iconic building, but if I had one, I would take it to heart to have a masterpiece worthy of adulation for the glory of my country.

Please don't sound like a patriotic one since you are missing the point. We want an extraordinary work of art and not just a beautiful box like thousands of buildings in the world.

@watcher09, yes I see your point, we want it to acheive that as well; we are on the same boat. I understand how you could feel that way, I get it totally.

Its just that we chose to accept some facts about our industry and do the best given these constraints. To deny the fact that the budget is limited would result in a building that might look nice on the surface, but would be totally horrible in detail. We did not want to make the tradeoff between the buildings integrity versus flashy eye-candy.

A better comparison then would be the singapore esplanade, the "durian" built in 2002. It has the same function and same building type and also iconic.

Cost: 540 000 000 Euros (540m Euros)
Floor area: 80500 m2
Cost per Sqm: 6700Euros/sqm
In Pesos: 398000 Pesos/sqm (59 Php to 1 Euro)

Now the difference from 50k/sqm to 398k/sqm is too much even for Pinoy ingenuity hehe

Reference: http://www.mimoa.eu/projects/Singapore/Singapore/Esplanade%20Singapore

Well, I have a collection of old Philippine houses, churches, etc. including huts (bahay kubo). I show them to my friends and encourage them to appreciate Filipino Architecture.

You share old photos of bahay kubo to your friends and you expect other Filipino architects to create architecture that will shake the world? Seriously? I think its you who missed the point.

It's obvious that I don't have the capability and resources to finance an iconic building, but if I had one, I would take it to heart to have a masterpiece worthy of adulation for the glory of my country.

Your statement is a big IF. I'm sure everybody would say the same. But I hope you understand the big difference between saying something, and actually achieving it. And for the record, I don't think sharing bahay kubo photos will do the trick.

Well, I have a collection of old Philippine houses, churches, etc. including huts (bahay kubo). I show them to my friends and encourage them to appreciate Filipino Architecture.

Sorry for the stupid question, I might have misunderstood your post. Do you mean you collect actual houses and churches? I mean are you the person responsible for Las Casas Filipinas de Acuzar?

CCP redevelopment programs
10 years in drawing board and counting

Sorry for the stupid question, I might have misunderstood your post. Do you mean you collect actual houses and churches? I mean are you the person responsible for Las Filipinas de Acuzar?

So sorry for the confusion. They are photos. I travel a lot and capture the old houses and churches with my lense. I haven't been to Bagac, though I have a plan of going there because I'm a big fan. I also recommend this to my friends.

I've seen the SG Esplanade and it really is looking costly. We then go back to my first conclusion - the issue is the BUDGET.

You share old photos of bahay kubo to your friends and you expect other Filipino architects to create architecture that will shake the world? Seriously? I think its you who missed the point.

You can create a modern iconic building inspired by a bahay kubo. It takes a real ingenuity and talent. If you can't believe that, it's not my problem.

Your statement is a big IF. I'm sure everybody would say the same. But I hope you understand the big difference between saying something, and actually achieving it. And for the record, I don't think sharing bahay kubo photos will do the trick.

I didn't say I've achieved something. I know the difference. You don't have to tell me.

My point is, we want a sure iconic edifice at CCP complex with a wow factor, eye-catching, a true symbol of Filipino culture, heritage and ingenuity. I didn't say Locsin's work is fea. Actually, it's beautiful, but I must admit that I don't find it iconic. That, really is the point. Sudark clearly understands me. If you don't, I don't care really.

So sorry for the confusion. They are photos. I travel a lot and capture the old houses and churches with my lense. I haven't been to Bagac, though I have a plan of going there because I'm a big fan. I also recommend this to my friends.

I've seen the SG Esplanade and it really is looking costly. We then go back to my first conclusion - the issue is the BUDGET.


Ow sorry for that misunderstanding hehe promoting Filipino Architecture through pictures is pretty cool. I get that you dont think its iconic enough, thats a fair comment.

Hopefully someday we get to present the full concept or show all the materials so that at least the design gets a fighting chance. Possibly on Archdaily or something. The exhibit should have run for a longer time because I dont think too many people got to see it.

Im enjoying our discussion on this forum, all we need now is beer! :cheers:

I love this advocacy. A friend upon learning this showed me a refurbished old house in Sampaloc. Painted in almost all white, it depicts the grandeur of Filipino-Castillian architecture of bygone era. He's planning to do the same since their arncestral house is still sturdy being built by his grandfather who was an engineer.

I wonder how many and who were the people involved in determining the winning design. IMO, they should have involved other institutions like schools, design and architectural firms which have no entries, etc. or if possible, the population through text votes. Anyhow, it's the people who will appreciate the buildings.

I love old houses as well, marvelous wood and natural stone. I used to work with the heritage conservation society during my undergraduate years. We were sent around the region to document heritage houses and churches.

Actually if you check the link I posted a few posts back it is written there that the judges are composed of 9 members from the CCP board. Actually I think it would have been a good idea to do that too, something like a public judging. It might have been tough though to do the presentation for too many people. I think someday CCP might post the videos of everyones presentation.

http://culturalcenter.gov.ph/UserFiles/ccp//forms/Guidelines%20-%20CCP%20Design%20Competition.pdf

You can create a modern iconic building inspired by a bahay kubo. It takes a real ingenuity and talent. If you can't believe that, it's not my problem.

For the second time, you missed the point. Strictly speaking, the core value of Modernism is the "rejection of tradition, and its incorporation in new forms." Hence, the white boxes of Le Corbusier, a deviation to the then existing architecture. So if you want to create a "modern" iconic building, stop referring to the traditional bahay kubo as an inspiration.

I didn't say Locsin's work is fea. Actually, it's beautiful, but I must admit that I don't find it iconic.

I don't have any problem with that. Quite understandable, even from the point of view of Locsin Partners. At the end of the day, no one architect can please everybody. Not even Gehry.

For the second time, you missed the point. Strictly speaking, the core value of Modernism is the "rejection of tradition, and its incorporation in new forms." Hence, the white boxes of Le Corbusier, a deviation to the then existing architecture. So if you want to create a "modern" iconic building, stop referring to the traditional bahay kubo as an inspiration.

Sorry. You really are missing my point.

Not an architect nor an engineer so if cost is the problem, maybe what if a company sponsor the construction instead?

Orrrrrrr we can just build another SM on CCP. That would make sense. :nuts:

You can create a modern iconic building inspired by a bahay kubo.

Bahay Kubo's are not even just endemic to the Phillippines so it is a bit strange to claim such designs as something original and Filipino as such structures are quite prevalent in se asia and even other parts of the world .

Something that i think comes close to being iconic Filipino would be more those old Spanish colonial era houses and their windows, some of which can still be seen especially in the provinces and Intramuros ... .

In the end of the day however the world is now global it no longer truelly matters who design things .

Apologies! Just spreading the word and maximizing read count!

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^^ I hope you can all attend. Our venue is class. We shall also feature 10 winning photos of SSC Members, capturing the green Philippine cityscape. :)

Mr Pablo_de_Iligan, Mr watcher09, maybe it would be nice if we could all meet each other at the christmas party hehe

Bahay Kubo's are not even just endemic to the Phillippines so it is a bit strange to claim such designs as something original and Filipino as such structures are quite prevalent in se asia and even other parts of the world .

Something that i think comes close to being iconic Filipino would be more those old Spanish colonial era houses and their windows, some of which can still be seen especially in the provinces and Intramuros ... .

In the end of the day however the world is now global it no longer truelly matters who design things .


Quite true about the bahay kubo being similar around the region. Although I still appreciate those architects who design with a "critical regionalist" mindset particularly the Australians and now somewhat the Brazilians

Sorry. You really are missing my point.

Anyway, if you want to share more photos to your friends, visit the database of Filipino Architecture: www.Arkitektura.ph

I'm sure you'll find something interesting there. =)

Mr Pablo_de_Iligan, Mr watcher09, maybe it would be nice if we could all meet each other at the christmas party hehe

I'll be there. =)

Anyway, if you want to share more photos to your friends, visit the database of Filipino Architecture: www.Arkitektura.ph

I'm sure you'll find something interesting there. =)

Thank you, but I prefer my own. Taking pictures of old houses is one of my hobbies, though, I would consider for references.

Culture doesn’t pay, COA finds in audit of CCP
(http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/102207/culture-doesn%E2%80%99t-pay-coa-finds-in-audit-of-ccp)By Leila B. Salaverria
Philippine Daily Inquirer

Link: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/102207/culture-doesn%E2%80%99t-pay-coa-finds-in-audit-of-ccp (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/102207/culture-doesn%E2%80%99t-pay-coa-finds-in-audit-of-ccp)

Excerpt:

Filipino talents may be sweeping the world stage, but back home their countrymen are not really coming in droves to theater shows, the Commission on Audit (COA) has found.

In its latest audit report on the Cultural Center of the Philippines, the COA said the CCP failed to meet its targeted audience count for 2010, which was a similar finding in previous years.

This affects the CCP’s ability to fulfill its mandate, which includes making Filipinos aware of their cultural heritage and encouraging them to take part in preserving, promoting, enhancing and developing it, according to the COA.

Picture 1: The winning design of the new Artists Center by Leandro V. Locsin Partners, Architects
http://culturalcenter.gov.ph/UserFiles/ccp/Image/Photo-ICONS-AC.jpg

Picture 2: The winning design of the new Performing Arts Theater by Leandro V. Locsin Partners, Architects
http://culturalcenter.gov.ph/UserFiles/ccp/Image/Photo-ICONS-NPAT.jpg

Picture 1: The winning design of the new Artists Center by Leandro V. Locsin Partners, Architects
http://culturalcenter.gov.ph/UserFiles/ccp/Image/Photo-ICONS-AC.jpg

Picture 2: The winning design of the new Performing Arts Theater by Leandro V. Locsin Partners, Architects
http://culturalcenter.gov.ph/UserFiles/ccp/Image/Photo-ICONS-NPAT.jpg

Maganda... sana naman itayo ni PNoy ito within his term. I love watching stage plays. It'll be better if ganito kaganda ang papanaooran ko.

Asa pa, baka kung video games arcade yan, may pag-asang mapatayo ni pnoy.

ang tagal naman itayo ....

SANA LANG D TALAGA MATULOY UNG CONDOMINIUM PROJECT DYAN SA LOOB NG CCP!!! WE NEED TO FORCE CONGRESS TO PASS THE NATIONAL ZONING PLAN FOR THE BETTER AND CAREFULL PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT IN OUR COUNTRY. FIRST OF ALL CCP AREA IS UNDER AN INSTITUTION CODE. WHAT THE HELL THEY WANTED TO PUT CONDO'S IN THE AREA... IT REALLY DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE... LAGAY LANG BA KATAPAT NUN AT PUMAYAG ANG CCP ADMINISTRATION OR KAILANGAN PA BA NG ANOTHER GASTOS SA KABAN NG BAYAN FOR A SENATE HEARING ON THIS ISSUE???

^^

i definitely agree on this..

another damn condominium?di siya bagay sa CCP..it is for me one of the national treasures ng bansa..

walang proper zoning sa Metro Manila..kaya kung saan-saan tayo nakakakita ng mga condo's..dapat sa mga ganyang developments like condo ay nasa iisang lugar lang..

by the way Locsin's work of art is simply astonishing..

sana magkatotoo sa term ni PNoy yan..it'll be one of his accomplishments pag natapos yan at yung mga designs na lang ni Locsin sana i-consider..

tutal may napatunayan na siya when it comes to modern architecture..

i agree no to condos in CCP... there should be no residential area for that part of the reclaimed land... its stands on its name CCP... if there looking to get money by selling parts of the complex for future projects for me they should have joint venture or a PPP scheme to redevelop the area by building the design of locsin and improve or refurb the existing structures, add hotels and other leisure development... what do you think????

^^ true. Why not build new theaters in CCP in brutalist architecture?

saken, ok yung condo project bastat sa may coco palace at mismong sa manila bay nakaharap, dun sa may floating casino ni stanley ho, at dapat di bababa sa 70 stories ng sa ganun masupalpal ng CAAP ang megaworld

latest??? may nanyari na ba??

Kung government ang sasagot sa redevelopment, we might as well wait for the next president. Wag na tayong umasa sa current president dahil wala yata sa plano niya ang urban planning at infrastructures.

patay na to, sm ang sasagot sana kaso ayaw ng gobyerno,ngayon pa eh maraming thetre at convention center ang itatayo sa manila

Bastat project ng gobyerno laging di natutuloy at kapag natuloy man laging palpak at may anomalya hayyyzzzz

this thread should be deleted so as not to send false hope to the forumers and people...unless no private investor would take this up its as good as dead....like what it is right now...

tama better delete, nakakahina lang ng loob to

Bastat project ng gobyerno laging di natutuloy at kapag natuloy man laging palpak at may anomalya hayyyzzzz

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