Reality bites.

Dude, you can think of yourself as a seven-foot reincarnation of Shaquille O'Neal, but if you are a five-foot lead-footed smurf, all of the positive "mentality" in the world would not make it so. As I previously noted, all nations (and peoples) should be aspirational, but our present REALITY is that Nigeria is a third world developing country (and not even a rich one, as its massive largely uneducated or poorly-educated population negates its oil income). What would be gratifying in such a developing country is to actually see DEVELOPMENT, not revel in delusional pie-in-the-sky fantasy in a nation where there are no books and no drugs in dilapidated public schools and hospitals. Reality also is that the BRT is exactly such DEVELOPMENT, but remains a work-in-progress. Hopefully, it will eventually get where it needs to be.

Why the focus on oil?
I wasn't even thinking about oil. I was thinking about the other resources your country has that you can exploit to raise your overall standard of living.
You talk about not reveling in fantasy and then swing the exact opposite way and say there are no books or drugs around where they should be. And I am sure you guys have a reasonable number of well-educated people. If not, go scouting in countries where it exists and offer them better deals than they currently have in their current country of residence. Western countries do it all the time.

Why the focus on oil?
I wasn't even thinking about oil. I was thinking about the other resources your country has that you can exploit to raise your overall standard of living.
You talk about not reveling in fantasy and then swing the exact opposite way and say there are no books or drugs around where they should be. And I am sure you guys have a reasonable number of well-educated people. If not, go scouting in countries where it exists and offer them better deals than they currently have in their current country of residence. Western countries do it all the time.
Until you actually exploit those, they are NOT wealth. :ohno:

A country's greatest resource remains its citizens, but one has to invest in those citizens to garner any returns. REALITY (that word again :lol:) is that after a bright start (with scores of Nigerians receiving quality education in the 1960s and 1970s), Nigeria has done a relatively piss-poor job of investing in its greatest natural resource, with palpable falling standards and indices in PUBLIC education and healthcare. So feel free to join those whose revel in such fantasies as Vision 20-2020 (whatever became of Vision 2010? :lol:) or the thus far much fabled 7-point Agenda, when the country has shown little or no evidence that it could even meet the modest Millenium Development Goals. Nevertheless, the stark REALITY remains that Nigeria is presently a third world developing country, albeit one with great aspirations (but thus far just merely theoretical aspirations). Accordingly, Nigeria's most immediate goals should be DEVELOPMENT -- ie, continuous improvement over pre-existing conditions (of which the BRT is actually a significant one).

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Until you actually exploit those, they are NOT wealth. :ohno:

A country's greatest resource remains its citizens, but one has to invest in those citizens to garner any returns. REALITY (that word again :lol:) is that after a bright start (with scores of Nigerians receiving quality education in the 1960s and 1970s), Nigeria has done a relatively piss-poor job of investing in its greatest natural resource, with palpable falling standards and indices in PUBLIC education and healthcare. So feel free to join those whose revel in such fantasies as Vision 20-2020 (whatever became of Vision 2010? :lol:) or the thus far fabled 7-point Agenda, when your country is not even sure of meeting the Millenium Development Goals. The REALITY presently remains that Nigeria is a third world developing country (albeit one with great aspirations -- but thus far merely aspirational), and accordingly its most immediate goals should be DEVELOPMENT -- ie, continuous improvement over pre-existing conditions (of which the BRT is actually a significant one).

What was the reality in the 1960s when you had a population of round about 50 million?
I am well aware of the present reality but it seems that you guys have become trapped in that old reality and it is stopping you from moving forward which is why I think it better for you guys to reframe your minds. I am in no way knocking your BRT because it is progress and I acknowledge that progress.

What was the reality in the 1960s when you had a population of round about 50 million?
I am well aware of the present reality but it seems that you guys have become trapped in that old reality and it is stopping you from moving forward which is why I think it better for you guys to reframe your minds. I am in no way knocking your BRT because it is progress and I acknowledge that progress.
Huh?! :?

Dude, not quite sure what you are going on about, but I am only concerned with PRESENT-DAY reality! And that reality is that the Lagos BRT is a significant DEVELOPMENT over the pre-existing circumstances (and one that actually works and has been even more successful than envisioned), and rather than wasting scare additional resources on bells-and-whistles, it should be invested in the nation's greatest resource -- it PEOPLE! Ultimately, Nigeria's development would not lie with the aesthetic quality of its bus-stops, but with the health and education of its citizenry.

Nevertheless, the stark REALITY remains that Nigeria is presently a third world developing country, albeit one with great aspirations (but thus far just merely theoretical aspirations). Accordingly, Nigeria's most immediate goals should be DEVELOPMENT -- ie, continuous improvement over pre-existing conditions (of which the BRT is actually a significant one).

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Nigeria is a “third-world developing country” because Nigeria squanders its resources like a prodigal son. Did you know that Nigeria, with a world GDP ranking of #38, has a higher GDP than Norway, Denmark, Portugal, Finland, Ireland, Hungary, Bulgaria, Israel, or New Zealand? Yet, in per capita income, the country is ranked a lowly #170. Even Cuba has a higher per capita than Nigeria. Angola’s GDP is only $81b, yet its per capita is three times Nigeria’s. Why?

Your concern for those neglected by your government is admirable. But I’ve always said that until that day when passionate and like-minded Nigerians like you say “enough” to your government with your blood, the cycle of failure, corruption, poverty and neglect will continue.

Look, your own Lagos Government explicitly stated its goal of making Lagos a world-class mega city. And as we all know, world-class cities have world-class amenities. Last year, I visited Lagos for the second time since ‘75. Certainly, there are vast improvements over my last visit in 2005. All we’re saying is that Nigeria has run out of excuses and it’s about time for the country to start realizing its potential.

Read these:

http://allafrica.com/stories/200907310683.html

http://www.triumphnewspapers.com/lesson382009.html

I wonder why the Lagos Government is sending its officials to Dubai and Singapore to study their success.

Your concern for those neglected by your government is admirable. But I’ve always said that until that day when passionate and like-minded Nigerians like you say “enough” to your government with your blood, the cycle of failure, corruption, poverty and neglect will continue.
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Dude, why don't you start by saying "enough" with your own blood to your govt for the world's most expensive coup d'etat in Iraq which has claimed the lives of possibly hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians or for the nearly 50 million of its citizens and residents (including millions that actually pay taxes) who have no access to affordable healthcare that would cost much less than the expenditure on the OPTIONAL Iraq war or perhaps for the dilapidated inner-city schools where staff and students have to pass through metal detectors just for the privilege of "graduating" with hardly the ability to intelligibly read or write in the world's richest country. Frankly, only Internet 'revolutionaries' typing from the comfort of their PCs think all real change must be violent.

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Anyway, it is quite obvious from your responses that you simply are either unable or unwilling to get it, so let's just AGREE TO DISAGREE!

Nigeria is a “third-world developing country” because Nigeria squanders its resources like a prodigal son. Did you know that Nigeria, with a world GDP ranking of #38, has a higher GDP than Norway, Denmark, Portugal, Finland, Ireland, Hungary, Bulgaria, Israel, or New Zealand? Yet, in per capita income, the country is ranked a lowly #170. Even Cuba has a higher per capita than Nigeria. Angola’s GDP is only $81b, yet its per capita is three times Nigeria’s. Why?
Your concern for those neglected by your government is admirable. But I’ve always said that until that day when passionate and like-minded Nigerians like you say “enough” to your government with your blood, the cycle of failure, corruption, poverty and neglect will continue.

Look, your own Lagos Government explicitly stated its goal of making Lagos a world-class mega city. And as we all know, world-class cities have world-class amenities. Last year, I visited Lagos for the second time since ‘75. Certainly, there are vast improvements over my last visit in 2005. All we’re saying is that Nigeria has run out of excuses and it’s about time for the country to start realizing its potential.

Read these:

http://allafrica.com/stories/200907310683.html

http://www.triumphnewspapers.com/lesson382009.html

I wonder why the Lagos Government is sending its officials to Dubai and Singapore to study their success.

the answer is simply angola has less people to care for.

the answer is simply angola has less people to care for.



…which is exactly the point. Uncontrolled population growth is another ticking time bomb in Nigeria.

China has come to realize long ago that it simply cannot sustain ever-growing population with the resources it has. That is why China limits its citizens to no more than one child per couple, as draconian as it may seem. Nigeria hasn’t learned or is unwilling to learn this lesson because it is mired in the quicksand of cultural and religious subservience.

Nigeria has so much potential and the country’s problems are solvable. But the imagination and commitment of it leaders are lacking. Hopefully, a new breed of politicians such as the new governor of Lagos will take helm of the country in the next election.

i hope nigeria doesnt try that 1 child per couple crap. more people means more people going to school, using malls, and circulating money around.

i hope nigeria doesnt try that 1 child per couple crap. more people means more people going to school, using malls, and circulating money around.


But where will you put all these people? Where will they find work, even if you magically manage to educate them all? Where will you house them? Wouldn’t a better scenario be fewer people maintaining a stable population and living a high quality of life?

Just look at the position in which Lagos finds itself lately. If current economic pattern in Nigeria prevails, and other states in the country are unable to provide jobs for their indigenes, people will keep flocking to Lagos. That portends disaster for Lagos, despite the best efforts of the current Lagos government

Take a look at this elementary economics. On what side of the identity would you rather belong?
250m people x $2500 average disposable income = 75m people x $8333.33 average disposable income

Nigeria does not need to emulate China, but the issue of overpopulation needs to be addressed now.

Thank you, Cardozoh! I have always streessed the implication of Nigeria increasing population and its environmental impacts, which are very divastating now or in the near future. The govt. should by now pull all its resources together and find a lasting solution to them.

Thank you, Cardozoh! I have always streessed the implication of Nigeria increasing population and its environmental impacts, which are very divastating now or in the near future. The govt. should by now pull all its resources together and find a lasting solution to them.
Population is among the LEAST of Nigeria's problems.

After all, a country like Japan has almost the same population as Nigeria's squeezed into an area almost one-third the size of Nigeria, with a population density more than twice that of Nigeria. It is the dearth of investment in the population (particularly in education and healthcare), not the quantum of its population, that constitutes probably Nigeria's greatest problem. A healthy well-educated population is a self-perpetuating economic engine that creates its own jobs while constituting a vast viable INTERNAL market.

Furthermore, a well-educated population tends to control its own growth, without the necessity of governmental diktat.

Furthermore, a well-educated population tends to control its own growth, without the necessity of governmental diktat.
It is like we are begging the question. Is Nigerian population healthy? The percentage of population growth for Nigeria is on the very high side and with less infrastructure. If we should dissect this problem involved you will find out that population is a big issue in Nigeria. The density of population is some city is as high as that of the Japan you referred to in your comment. I doubt if the population with the porous borders security will be managed for better living standard and otherwise. Yet the case of Nigeria is totally different from that of Japan.

wow... this is a long lovely argument session. Guyz, why dont we (or some of us) look at things from a logical perspective and not fill our arguments with sensless emotions? AS hakon's signature is, "neutrality, my pledge".

wow... this is a long lovely argument session. Guyz, why dont we (or some of us) look at things from a logical perspective and not fill our arguments with sensless emotions? AS hakon's signature is, "neutrality, my pledge".
That's what is bound to happen in a forum. A forum without arguement is never a good forum. Beside, the arguement is a very important one and it is good to iron out the matter in the best way possible.I don't think there is anybody insulting somebody yet.

exactly my point... "lovely" argument session. What i'm sayin is there must be logic and sense in arguments and not just a spillover of emotions.

It is like we are begging the question. Is Nigerian population healthy? The percentage of population growth for Nigeria is on the very high side and with less infrastructure. If we should dissect this problem involved you will find out that population is a big issue in Nigeria. The density of population is some city is as high as that of the Japan you referred to in your comment. I doubt if the population with the porous borders security will be managed for better living standard and otherwise. Yet the case of Nigeria is totally different from that of Japan.
Dude, you are the one "begging the question," since no population is INHERENTLY "healthy" (or well-educated).

Japan assiduously invested in the health and education of its citizens, and that is a primary reason why it is today an economic powerhouse, despite having almost the same population as Nigeria, crammed into a significantly less landmass (with over double the population density of Nigeria). Nigeria's problem is NOT the quantity of its population, but the quality. Accordingly, the Nigerian govt should primarily concentrate on the HEALTH and EDUCATION of its populace (and the infrastructure to support such population). Ultimately, that's the barometer (and the driver) of development -- not the fancifulness of bus shelters or such other bells-and-whistles stuff.

PS: Btw, the "porous" Mexican border has not turned the US into a third world country, neither has the porous borders (to North African immigration) of Italy.

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Population is among the LEAST of Nigeria's problems.

After all, a country like Japan has almost the same population as Nigeria's squeezed into an area almost one-third the size of Nigeria, with a population density more than twice that of Nigeria. It is the dearth of investment in the population (particularly in education and healthcare), not the quantum of its population, that constitutes probably Nigeria's greatest problem. A healthy well-educated population is a self-perpetuating economic engine that creates its own jobs while constituting a vast viable INTERNAL market.

You glossed over the fact that Japan has had a negative population growth rate for some years, or that Japan’s population peaked at around 130m in 2005, or that the population growth rate in Japan now is effectively zero. You also failed to mention that for the last several years, the Japanese woman has (ave.) 1 child vs. 5.5 children for the Nigerian woman, according to UN statistics. It seems that the Japanese, too, have long realized that their resource and landmass cannot sustain their high population.

Here is a bit of history: The reason Japanese population has swelled over the years is that between the first Sino-Japanese conflict of 1930 and WW2, the Japanese government urged its citizens to produce more children in order to man its war efforts. That’s the foundation of today’s Japanese overpopulation and hence its large (33%) geriatric composition. But it had never been a cultural or religious prerogative to have large families in Japan as is the case in Nigeria.

Because of the geriatric nature of the Japanese population, actuarial projection suggests that about 25-30% of Japan’s population will die by 2030. That will leave Japan an estimated 85-90m people. Nigeria’s population, by contrast, is expected to top 296m in 2030, given the current 3.2% annual growth rate (UN Population Fund). This factor alone will keep Nigeria’s per capita extremely low, even if your GDP increases substantially.

Future disaster is starring you in the face, yet you refuse to acknowledge it. If you think life is tough in Nigeria today, imagine what it’ll be like 25 years from now!

I was on a business trip to Lagos and Ghana last year, and the silent fear among Ghanaian officials is that when Nigeria begins to “burst at the seams”, Ghana will be deluged with Nigerians seeking to escape the grim prospect in their home country.

Japan assiduously invested in the health and education of its citizens, and that is a primary reason why it is today an economic powerhouse, despite having almost the same population as Nigeria, crammed into a significantly less landmass (with over double the population density of Nigeria).

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I certainly hope you’re not intimating that Japan, in recent history (20th century history is sufficient examination), was in the same situation as Nigeria relative to the powers of the time. Japan was never an uneducated or poor country at any time in contemporary history. Even as far back as the 19th century, Japan was an educated nation and a citadel of civilization. It was Japanese civilization and technology that inbred the confidence which led to the audacious attack on the United States in WW2.

In your argument, a more appropriate barometer should have been South Korea or Singapore.

You glossed over the fact that Japan has had a negative population growth rate for some years, or that Japan’s population peaked at around 130m in 2005, or that the population growth rate in Japan now is effectively zero. You also failed to mention that for the last several years, the Japanese woman has (ave.) 1 child vs. 5.5 children for the Nigerian woman, according to UN statistics. It seems that the Japanese, too, have long realized that their resource and landmass cannot sustain their high population.
While you glossed over my assertion that "a well-educated population tends to control its own growth, without the necessity of governmental diktat" -- which has been a universal trend.

I certainly hope you’re not intimating that Japan, in recent history (20th century history is sufficient examination), was in the same situation as Nigeria relative to the powers of the time. Japan was never an uneducated or poor country at any time in contemporary history. Even as far back as the 19th century, Japan was an educated nation and a citadel of civilization. It was Japanese civilization and technology that inbred the confidence which led to the audacious attack on the United States in WW2.
My bad, for failing to realize that the Japanese are spontaneously educated. :|

In fact, I imagine that every child born in Japan simply inherits the parents' (or the general population's) education, and that their population from day one has always been educated and healthy without the need for any investment in education and health. Thanks for the edification.

JoblessBaggar tends to pick on particular topics logically defining them to suit his understand and, is becoming prevalent. Even as at now the Japanese are experiencing aging population yet they're controlling it for much better reason on the effect on the environment. I think the most asiduous thing about the Nigerian young population,most especially in the North, is that they are among the most destitute in the world. When I saw some on Tv it was an appalling sight.I didn't mean to offend anybody here but the truth has to be told when it is needed, even if it means to explain better to those who can not see them.

Population is a problem in Nigeria just as the politicals. Educating the population has become a relenting task. Many don't want to be educated in the Northern Nigeria who are seeing Western form of education as a threat.

JoblessBaggar tends to pick on particular topics logically defining them to suit his understand and, is becoming prevalent. Even as at now the Japanese are experiencing aging population yet they're controlling it for much better reason on the effect on the environment. I think the most asiduous thing about the Nigerian young population,most especially in the North, is that they are among the most destitute in the world. When I saw some on Tv it was an appalling sight.I didn't mean to offend anybody here but the truth has to be told when it is needed, even if it means to explain better to those who can not see them.

Population is a problem in Nigeria just as the politicals. Educating the population has become a relenting task. Many don't want to be educated in the Northern Nigeria who are seeing Western form of education as a threat.
Please explain to the forum in plain English, exactly how the highlighted part of your post undermines my position that Nigeria should primarily invest in the education and health of its population?! :bash:

The irony in both your and Cardozoh's posts is that is merely AFFIRMS my substantive position: with regards to population, the quality is a more poignant consideration than the quantity. And the fact that the well-educated population of Japan is in contraction merely REAFFIRMS my position that the universal trend is for well-educated populations to naturally contract without the need for governmental diktat.

Please explain to the forum in plain English, exactly how the highlighted part of your post undermines my position that Nigeria should primarily invest in the education and health of its population?! :bash:

The irony in both your and Cardozoh's posts is that is merely AFFIRMS my substantive position: with regards to population, the quality is a more poignant consideration than the quantity. And the fact that the well-educated population of Japan is in contraction merely REAFFIRMS my position that the universal trend is for well-educated populations to naturally contract without the need for governmental diktat.You said population is not an issue in Nigeria, PERIOD. I hope that English is plain enough.You are very good in adulation.Anyway my argument is that the population is an issue, whether the government focus to educated the populace or not. That task is not as going to be easy as you think and it's not going to yeild better result without putting the population under control first.

You said population is not an issue in Nigeria, PERIOD. I hope that English is plain enough.You are very good in adulation.Anyway my argument is that the population is an issue, whether the government focus to educated the populace or not. That task is not as going to be easy as you think and it's not going to yeild better result without putting the population under control first.
Dude, in similarly Plain English, you obviously have comprehension problems. :lol::lol::lol:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=926440&page=3

Population is among the LEAST of Nigeria's problems.

After all, a country like Japan has almost the same population as Nigeria's squeezed into an area almost one-third the size of Nigeria, with a population density more than twice that of Nigeria. It is the dearth of investment in the population (particularly in education and healthcare), not the quantum of its population, that constitutes probably Nigeria's greatest problem. A healthy well-educated population is a self-perpetuating economic engine that creates its own jobs while constituting a vast viable INTERNAL market.

You said population is not an issue in Nigeria, PERIOD. I hope that English is plain enough.You are very good in adulation.Anyway my argument is that the population is an issue, whether the government focus to educated the populace or not. That task is not as going to be easy as you think and it's not going to yeild better result without putting the population under control first.
Btw, many thanks for telling me what I think...

While I cannot recall anyone saying that any development is an easy undertaking, I suppose that just because it is not going to be easy that we should not bother to adequately invest in the education and health of our population. Under your theory of development, it would probably be much easier to simply post the Reproduction Police to each citizen's bedroom.

Btw, many thanks for telling me what I think...

While I cannot recall anyone saying that any development is an easy undertaking, I suppose that just because it is not going to be easy that we should not bother to adequately invest in the education and health of our population. Under your theory of development, it would probably be much easier to simply post the Reproduction Police to each citizen's bedroom.No! No!No! I never said that. I was contemplating the issue of putting the population under control.Ok? We are not quarreling, right? This is just an arguement.

No! No!No! I never said that. I was contemplating the issue of putting the population under control.Ok? We are not quarreling, right? This is just an arguement.
I still do not get your point.

Mine is simple: a large population can actually be a huge benefit if it is of the right quality (healthy, well-educated and adequately-skilled) -- as an economic engine (of professionals, enterprenuers, inventors, managers, etc) and a large market, among other things. Accordingly, when a nation is endowed with a huge population, it's best course of action is to properly educate that population (which history has consistently shown will most likely lead to a natural contraction in population growth). To do otherwise, would merely result in the same poor but lesser-populated country (no different from countries such as Chad, Niger, etc) populated by citizens likely pissed off by authoritarian reproductive laws and policies.

^^ I agree.

While you glossed over my assertion that "a well-educated population tends to control its own growth, without the necessity of governmental diktat" -- which has been a universal trend.

Ok, I'll address it.

The premise of a “well educated population tends to control its own growth, without the necessity of governmental diktat” is not one for disputation. But given the current birth rate and level of education in Nigeria, it will take over 50 years to reach that “critical mass” when the average Nigerian is educated, sophisticated, and liberated enough (of religious and cultural yoke) to view large families as financially burdensome, and limiting to quality of life. But you don’t have the luxury to sit back and allow the process to evolve naturally.

Quality education is attainable only if the educator has adequate resources and only if the resources are equitably distributed. Overpopulation always squeezes a nation of its resources and the ability to distribute those resources equitably. It is a good bet that in a mere 20 years from now, Nigeria’s population will outpace its (GDP’s) ability to fund quality education for its teeming masses. When that happens, the increasing masses of uneducated will only perpetuate the overpopulation issue, which in turn will perpetuate the cycle of poverty.

The very nature of African society (Nigerian in particular) will necessitate the “governmental diktat” you deplore. Even in my country, at the height of our baby boom in the 50s, there were government-sponsored birth-control programs for those who wanted them. I am certainly not advocating resorting to a similar draconian measure as China’s one-child-per-couple policy, but it is imperative that the Nigerian government take this issue as a serious threat to the country’s and the neighbouring countries' welfare.

I do not believe that you don’t accept overpopulation is a problem in Nigeria; I think you just don’t want it known that you, too, see it as a threat to your country’s wellbeing.

JoblessBaggar tends to pick on particular topics logically defining them to suit his understand and, is becoming prevalent...




I've noticed.

My bad, for failing to realize that the Japanese are spontaneously educated. :|

In fact, I imagine that every child born in Japan simply inherits the parents' (or the general population's) education, and that their population from day one has always been educated and healthy without the need for any investment in education and health. Thanks for the edification.


Again, "in your argument, a more appropriate barometer should have been South Korea or Singapore."

All three were in a similar situation as Nigeria was in 50 years ago and all three are heavily populated.

Again, "in your argument, a more appropriate barometer should have been South Korea or Singapore."

All three were in a similar situation as Nigeria was in 50 years ago and all three are heavily populated.
Barometer ko, thermometer ni! :lol::lol::lol:

Dude, I merely used Japan to debunk the baseless assertion that the quantum and density of the Nigerian population is an impediment to its population enjoying a high standard of living by citing a country with a similar quantum and an even higher density at the SAME point in time -- the only PRESENT distinction being the quality (as in education and health) of each country's populations.

Barometer ko, thermometer ni! :lol::lol::lol:

Dude, I merely used Japan to debunk the baseless assertion that the quantum and density of the Nigerian population is an impediment to its population enjoying a high standard of living by citing a country with a similar quantum and an even higher density at the SAME point in time -- the only PRESENT distinction being the quality (as in education and health) of each country's populations.


OK. I think we've beaten this topic to death.

The very nature of African society (Nigerian in particular) will necessitate the “governmental diktat” you deplore. Even in my country, at the height of our baby boom in the 50s, there were government-sponsored birth-control programs for those who want them. I am certainly not advocating resorting to a similar draconian measure as China’s one-child-per-couple policy, but it is imperative that the Nigerian government take this issue as a serious threat to the country’s and the neighbouring countries' welfare.
While I am loath to indulge in parachute sociology, one would nonetheless posit that with respect to the US's population trends, the fact that significantly more women have joined the workforce since the 1950s, that more women have risen higher and stayed longer in the professions, and that more people have pursued college and higher education (and thus stayed longer in school), each factor of which is directly or indirectly related to educational investment, have contributed infintely more to the contraction in US population growth than any government dispensation of condoms (and btw, a 2003 US research study did show that people with secondary or higher education were significantly more likely to resort to condom use than their less-educated counterparts).

PS: in my relatively brief time on earth (which is considerably far less than 50 years), I have witnessed almost every educated Nigerian that I know have less children than their parents generation.
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This might or might not have any significance to your argument but thought i should drop this off:
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2009/08/17/neill.japan.kids.cnn

What if Nigeria does not have as much time as it thinks it does?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2008/mar/01/scienceofclimatechange.climatechange

This might or might not have any significance to your argument but thought i should drop this off:
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2009/08/17/neill.japan.kids.cnn
Thanks. Interesting to see that the Japan that is being used as a model is actually trying to encourage more births. :lol:

What if Nigeria does not have as much time as it thinks it does?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2008/mar/01/scienceofclimatechange.climatechange
Did not realize that climate change will target Nigeria and skip the rest of the planet.

Did not realize that climate change will target Nigeria and skip the rest of the planet.

That was not the point. Many areas that are already quite developed won't be too badly affected. Nigeria is probably one of the places that will be most affected. It is on the margins of the Sahara. Many Nigerians will die if that scientist's predictions come through. Rather than make a glib remark just to win an argument, please give some suggestions on how Nigeria will cope if its population will continue to expand for decades.

That was not the point. Many areas that are already quite developed won't be too badly affected. Nigeria is probably one of the places that will be most affected. It is on the margins of the Sahara. Many Nigerians will die if that scientist's predictions come through. Rather than make a glib remark just to win an argument, please give some suggestions on how Nigeria will cope if its population will continue to expand for decades.
You think?! :lol::lol::lol:

I could have sworn that I read where old dude predicted that "that by 2040 much of Europe will be Saharan; and parts of London will be underwater," while not recalling any mention of Nigeria. But then again, what do I know? After all, I am just another poor African waiting to be wiped out by one natural disaster or another. Thankfully, if there is anything remotely redeeming about climate change it is that it's effects will GLOBAL (even though its causation has been largely Western) and that universal peril has compelled folks to pay serious attention to it, as opposed to the patronizing afterthought it would garnered if it only affected poor Africans (as you apparently believe it would).

Meanwhile, if you are really interested in how I believe Nigeria should treat its large population, feel free to peruse the zillion posts that I already made on the thread.

You think?! :lol::lol::lol:

I could have sworn that I read where old dude predicted that "that by 2040 much of Europe will be Saharan; and parts of London will be underwater," while not recalling any mention of Nigeria. But then again, what do I know? After all, I am just another poor African waiting to be wiped out by one natural disaster or another. Thankfully, if there is anything remotely redeeming about climate change it is that it's effects will GLOBAL (even though its causation has been largely Western) and that universal peril has compelled folks to pay serious attention to it, as opposed to the patronizing afterthought it would garnered if it only affected poor Africans (as you apparently believe it would).

Meanwhile, if you are really interested in how I believe Nigeria should treat its large population, feel free to peruse the zillion posts that I already made on the thread.


So it is only Europe that has developed areas right?
And parts of London being flooded does not mean the whole of Britain will go down.
The effects will indeed be global but some will suffer more than others. Don't bet on the industrialised world suffering as much as others. Most of their populations will be declining plus they will have the advanced technology to combat its effects. Much of Europe may become Saharan but they might still be able to grow the food they need.
If I recall food can be grown without soil.
And know I don't believe it will affect Africans only. The reason I focus on Africa is because I am African and care about my fellow Africans. The rest will have to worry about themselves.

Oh! I think the fundamental to the Nigerian population prblem is to put it under control. Nigeria population is not under control at the moment and it's a big issue. Anybody that wants to argue that it is not because he or she just wants to be on the contrary is being hypocritical to me here. No matter how much education you are going to give to the Nigerian population by this time that will be a better outlook to solving this problem. The UN projection for the country is unmanagable and Nigerian govt. should be doing something by now. ****The word is at the moment to small to meet the population needs***.

Oh! I think the fundamental to the Nigerian population prblem is to put it under control. Nigeria population is not under control at the moment and it's a big issue. Anybody that wants to argue that it is not because he or she just wants to be on the contrary is being hypocritical to me here. No matter how much education you are going to give to the Nigerian population by this time that will be a better outlook to solving this problem. The UN projection for the country is unmanagable and Nigerian govt. should be doing something by now. ****The word is at the moment to small to meet the population needs***.
Spot on dude, we should start castrating Nigerians right now! :lol::lol::lol:

Castrating! Did you say castrating...!? Is that how a population should be controlled? I don't think so. The best way is govt. provision of engaging the population in activities that will prevent them from having babies. Like use of contraceptive,adopting kids, laws that will put those that are wishing to have hundreds of wives in disadvantage point,etc. The reasn why I said there's no amount of education you are going to give to Nigerians that will be of help is that a friend of mine said Nigerians don't even listen to things like controlling the number of child birth, that some think having many children is a blessing even when they are educated.

Thanks. Interesting to see that the Japan that is being used as a model is actually trying to encourage more births. :lol:Japan is doing that because it has a high aging population unlike Nigeria with a high younger population.

Castrating! Did you say castrating...!? Is that how a population should be controlled? I don't think so. The best way is govt. provision of engaging the population in activities that will prevent them from having babies. Like use of contraceptive,adopting kids, laws that will put those that are wishing to have hundreds of wives in disadvantage point,etc. The reasn why I said there's no amount of education you are going to give to Nigerians that will be of help is that a friend of mine said Nigerians don't even listen to things like controlling the number of child birth, that some think having many children is a blessing even when they are educated.

Compulsory sterilization at birth of those with known defects; hereditary or not, and allowing only the intelligent to have children. On top of this, mass genocide of large segments of the population (the poor, stupid, uneducated, diseased etc.) in order to forcibly lower the population and yet maintain or increase the quality of the population as a whole. For tips on how this might be achieved, a look at the methods of the Third Reich during the Second World War, may be helpful.

Compulsory sterilization at birth of those with known defects; hereditary or not, and allowing only the intelligent to have children. On top of this, mass genocide of large segments of the population (the poor, stupid, uneducated, diseased etc.) in order to forcibly lower the population and yet maintain or increase the quality of the population as a whole. For tips on how this might be achieved, a look at the methods of the Third Reich during the Second World War, may be helpful.
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Bet dude still wont get it.

Ok! I subscribe to what I understand would work better from the vantage points.

In that case Sharia education is already working well in the Northern part. I like that.

Ok! I subscribe to what I understand would work better from the vantage points.

In that case Sharia education is already working well in the Northern part. I like that.
As predicted! :lol::lol::lol:

As predicted! :lol::lol::lol:Your laughs make me laugh too and, I know you wont see beyond that limit pal. Look, education will become less effective when population becomes a cultural thing and that's the case of Nigeria. You didn't even grasp how this can be a propblem while basing all your evidences on education. I must tell you this that the population in itself is a problem when it's above any sustainable stage(Nigeria quite falls into that group at the moment). Even when it's educated, the household consumption will steadily rise with it thereby creating more pressure on the environment. Mind you,it can be in the forms of construction of buildings to meet the expanding educated population(which in the case the population will mean more wealthy people who will be able to spend more), more cars will be on the road, industries will increase just to mention a few. I think you will still laugh over this because your cannot see beyond your educated population point and it seems to control itself yet you tend to leave out the magnitude at which this population has expanded over the years.Please, I don't just beleive in wet-blanket ideas. I would like you to give me a prove on how the Nigeria population will control itself when educated at this point in time without having more pressure on the environment.

Your laughs make me laugh too and, I know you wont see beyond that limit pal. Look, education will become less effective when population becomes a cultural thing and that's the case of Nigeria. You didn't even grasp how this can be a propblem while basing all your evidences on education. I must tell you this that the population in itself is a problem when it's above any sustainable stage(Nigeria quite falls into that group at the moment). Even when it's educated, the household consumption will steadily rise with it thereby creating more pressure on the environment. Mind you,it can be in the forms of construction of buildings to meet the expanding educated population(which in the case the population will mean more wealthy people who will be able to spend more), more cars will be on the road, industries will increase just to mention a few. I think you will still laugh over this because your cannot see beyond your educated population point and it seems to control itself yet you tend to leave out the magnitude at which this population has expanded over the years.Please, I don't just beleive in wet-blanket ideas. I would like you to give me a prove on how the Nigeria population will control itself when educated at this point in time without having more pressure on the environment.
With all due respect, it is clear that you have thus far been unable to grasp my point. Accordingly, responding to your pedantry will merely serve to encourage your continued indulgence in an increasing divergent monologue. Cheers.

Okay! Let's call it a day on Nigerian Population.

That was a very entertaining argument, far from the word-diarrhea associated with this particular forum. Well constructed arguments, the English language was used to cushion and package powerful packets of information, conveying both facts and opinion into deadly debate. I had a ball reading it but I noticed that in essence you were saying the exact same thing. 1 side laments that they are arguing for tighter but limited goverment control. They don't want a China-esque look on things i.e 1 child/family, they want the government to invest money on condoms, birth control and family planning methods, in other words educating the population in hopes of grabbing the rabid dog by the leash before its too late. I completely agree. This would not only put a well needed tether on the population but also curb the wave of STDs most impotantly HIV/AIDS improving the overall health of an already impoverished country.

While the other party is screaming for investments in education and healthcare because, as we all know, a well educated and healthy population is an empowered population and is the greatest assest for any country. Again I agree with this as an educated population is very aware of family planning and the effects of unplanned population growth on the environment. Can you see how both your arguements boil down to the same basic points. You are both saying the same thing but in different tongues so to speak.

Regardless, I hope more arguments on the forum are more like this rather than the my penis is bigger than yours approach that is very much patronized at the moment.

^^i agree with you;) very engaging debates from both parties:okay:

It is quite interesting how vigorous these FOREIGNERS can go at attempting to tell us what our "KRANKHEITEN" are. Joblessbeggar, you did a great job at nullifying such unfounded arguement that population is our problem. Mind you, the USA is unrelenting in admitting more people into its Union. And when she does, she is not taking the unpolished CIVITAS but the already educationally nourished ones. Thats why policy like the VISA lottery are targeted more to technically developed populations in Europe and elsewhere. One of the prerequisites of the VISA Lottery is to have archieved a certain niveau of education. If you look into the VISA lottery statistics, you'll find out that the most people admitted have always been Europeans and some other places except Africa. You would even be more appallled if you compare the numbers of applications from the different geographical locations and the numbers of people that are eventually admitted. Sometimes you might feel it's RACISM. But no, the admittance procedure is ofcourse not generally racially based. They are looking for skilled population and the most skilled people tend to come from Europe and Asia. Therefore, it is extremely important for us to invest in the educational development and well-being of our population rather than engage in the fruitless and lunatic adventure of birth control. Nigeria as at now can support 500 Mio people, so we are far from reaching our peak.

BTW, no sound nation would in it right mind support active child control in the manner those 2 ajojis are postulating save China. Even the one child per parent policy has got a lot of exemptions, and besides it is targeted at the city dwellers primarily.

Japan was up till the Meiji time (mid to late 1800) a somewhat confused and impoverished nation. Hence, it could well be used as a comparable yardstick. Save you wanna tell us that we aint got culture and civilization until the arival of the Europeans. The thing I cherish the Shoguns about was the very consequent drive to learn from the west, adapting the knowledge acquired to their own system and for the benefit of their nation.

And for the enviromentalist: Please worry less for us about climate change. If the threat from climate change worsens, believe me, you will surfer most from its consequences than me a black man. Your pinky skin will get cancered easily than mine. And if it is flooding thats making you tipsy, I'd say worry no more. The low lying land in Nigeria is not as significant as to put us at more risk than say the USA ( esp. Louisiana, Texas, the great lakes region), The Netherlands, Belgium, Danmark, Bangladesh etc. I think you should worry more about the damage that could be done at your own backyards.

Nonetheless an interesting discuss.

What if Nigeria does not have as much time as it thinks it does?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2008/mar/01/scienceofclimatechange.climatechangeI quite agree that's a question that needs an answer.

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/2224/46471947nigeria.jpg

Population mapping distorts the conventional image of Nigeria considerably. Here, you can see Lagos as the most populated city while the capital, Abuja, doesn't register against the other large cities of Kaduna, Kano and Port Harcourt.

Source: BBC News

The thought of what that thing up there looks like disgusts the hell outa me!

As of now Population is not a problem.

Nigeria is not densely populated when compared to many countries in the world.

I firmly believe that the amount of resources as of now can handle the population comfortably.

Even climate change is not simply a nose dive, climate change predicts shift in precipitation, so actually some predict that the Sahara will become wetter, some parts of the Sahara are already greening.

In terms of resources, Nigeria has not exploited her resources anywhere near potential, so we still have much room for growth.

In terms of AIDs and other STDs, the actual prevalence rate is not alarming and is manageable, we can improve on it and half the AIDS prevalence rate to about 2.5/3%.

So anyways what I am saying is that as of now the Population is theoretically not a problem, we simply need to create provision for the population and for future growth.

what we can do, is simply to direct our efforts on reducing the Fertility rate.

Nigeria is not densely populated you said,Tbite?I think Nigeria has one of the most densely populated places in the world.Nigeria has the second most densely populated city after China in the world.

Nigeria is not densely populated you said,Tbite?I think Nigeria has one of the most densely populated places in the world.Nigeria has the second most densely populated city after China in the world.
Lagos is NOT Nigeria.

AFRICA IS UNDERPOPULATED AND MUST QUADRUPLE *LINK*

Posted By: Pianke Nubiyang
Date: Thursday, 9 March 2006, at 11:31 p.m.

In Response To: Is Africa overpopulated? (karibkween)

Africa is the most UNDERPOPULATED CONTINENT AFTER AUSTRALIA when we consider the size, age of humans in Africa, age of organizations, cultures and other attributes that SHOULD MAKE AFRICA THE MOST POPULATED TODAY. However, Africa's underpopulation is due to one thing, slavery, enslavement, capture and carrying of Afericans by force since the 700's AD, wars and conflict provoked and supported by parasites and bloodsuckers of African people and wealth. These are the main reasons why Africa is underpopulated today.

Africa's population during the 1500's was about the same as that of Asia. By the 1700's, both Africa and Europe had the same number of people. By the late 1800's, Africa had lost millions to slavery, the slave trade, mass genocide, wars and other problems. Anyone who studies old history books about Africa between the 1500's to the mid 1900's know very well the chief culprits in the genocide committed against Africans are Semites from the Middle East (who began by saying that Descendents of Ham, were to be 'servants' in the houses of Shem and Japhet (Semites and Caucasians). This idea led to the enslavement and scatter of Africans globally.

THE GREAT IRONY OF HISTORY

While the invaders of Africa intended to depopulate the continent by spreading diseases and wars (see the article on the works of Stanley and Livingstone in Southern Africa - Final Call (Archives), they themselves were devastated as soon as they entered tropical Africa. Malaria and a number of diseases that Africans have become partly or fully immune to, these diseases devastated the populations of all those invaders who entered tropical Africa (see Gerad's documentary on European conquest through guns, diseases and other means).

Europeans, Semites and others could not destroy West Africa because they were vulnerable to diseases there (and still are). They used 'colored' (we call them 'multiracial' in the US) Semites from the Middle East and North Africa to go into the tropics and take Africans for enslavement. Yet, Africa continued to survive despite the millions (100,000,000) people taken from the continent, enslaved and wiped out.

AFRICAN AND BLACK NATIONS WORLDWIDE MUST UNITE TO ESTABLISH A POPULATION EXPANSION PROGRAM

African nations must have seen the racist trickery that is coming from the abortion industry and the population control racists. The fact is, the very same people telling Black women to commit abortions, Africans and Indo-Negroids (of South and East India) to commit sterilizations, or Caribbean and Afro-Latin American women to commit abortions and practice 'population control,' these are the very same people who tell their women to take fertility pills and drugs to have multiple births. In fact, whenever one of these people's pregnant women takes fertility pills and has seven babies due, the world knows about it. The happy couple gets a free, brand new house, free baby formula for the baby's baby life, free diapers, free car and free publicity on television. The happy couple gets to be famous by making tv commercials and every one of their friends, neighbors and the entire nation sends money to them so they can send their children to college. That only happens when the babies and the parents are Europeans.

POLAND, GERMANY, OTHER EUROPEANS TELL THEIR WOMEN TO HAVE MORE CHILDREN

The policy of some European nations (and those Euros in the Western Hemisphere, especially those who follow a certain religion and come from a certain culture) is to have as many babies as they can. In fact, Poland actually pays couples to get married and have babies. Germany and many of these nations who produce the birth control pills and other tools of destruction of Black babies, they have been telling their women to have more babies. Yet, they continue to promote abortion, sterilization and family planning in African and other Black nations including those of the Caribbean and as far East as Melanesia.

DUTCH OFFICIAL WANTS BLACK DUTCH TO COMMIT MORE ABORTIONS

Shockwaves were sent around the world (and Black people and nations should have taken heed) when a Dutch official proposed the aborting (elimination) of Black babies in Holland (we heard that same racist proposal from someone before). That nation has a history of being 'liberal' on things like euphanasia and other schemes. About 50 years ago, the Neighbors of the Dutch to the South and East of their country also had the same idea of eliminating people. Millions perished due to that mentality.

AFRICA AND THE BLACK WORLD MUST QUADRUPLE ITS POPULATION

Africa and the entire Black world (the Americas, South and East India, Indian Ocean, Melanesia, Aboriginal Australia, the Caribbean and elsewhere) must establish a policy of population expansion. The world is not 'overpopulated,' there is no lack of resources for African/Black people in the places we live and control. The problem is, the lack of large populations to work our resources, produce and defend our lands (as India and China, Russia and North America does) is the main reason why we are poor and easily invaded and attacked.

Africa has fifty fragmented nations that were created by European powers during the Berlin Conference. Africa must unite some of these nations into larger, more powerful, economic, military and cultural powers. The people and the resources are already available. They are the millions of Africans spread around the world (especially in Western Europe) helping these nations and regions develop while Africa drifts behind.

Furthermore, the fragmentation of Africa's great states, empires and kingdoms in to a jigsaw puzzle of fragment kingdoms, ethnic groups and empires is one of the main reasons for Africa's present weakness and why others find Africa easy to exploit in the new attempt to colonize Africa. This fragmentation is just not working to create the type of power that larger, stronger and greatly populated nations have accomplished. Africa has to create at least four superpowers. They should be, "THE UNION OF EAST AFRICAN STATES," "The Angola-Congo Union" "Southern African States and Kingdoms" "The Unites States and Kingdoms of West Africa." Each of these superstates should aim to become superpowers. They should work to increase their populations and to train and prepare the next generations for their role as major and influential powers in the near future. Africa also needs to stop being the 'slaves' of the occupier North Africans who are not indigenous to the African continent. A SEPARATE PAN-AFRICAN OR PAN-NEGRO ORGANIZATION MUST BE ESTABLISHED to take care of the problems that Black African and worldwide Negroes/Blacks suffer (such as the racist attacks on PURE BLACK AFRICANS IN SUDAN, the racist attacks on West Papuans, the genocide and racist attacks on Blacks in Latin America and elsewhere, including North Africa).

AFRICAN/BLACK NATIONS AND COMMUNITIES WORLDWIDE MUST BEGAN POPULATION INCREASE POLICIES

All forms of population control should be banned from all African nations. China had too many people so they introduced the 'One Child Policy,' otherwise China could have fragmented if its mass of people became restless. Now China is about the size of part of West Africa.

Africa needs the OPPOSITE POLICY OF INCREASING THE BLACK AFRICAN POPULATION to make up for the tens of millions wiped out between the 1500's to the recent times. African nations and ALL Black/Negroid nations and communities around the world should organize and promote the quadrupling of the African Black population.

Africans/Blacks ought to know by now that A GREAT AND POWERFUL BLACK POPULATION IS THE ANTIDOTE TO RACIST OPPRESSION. Anyone who studies the history of Egypt, Ethiopia, the Americas, India will see that as foreign non-African people moved into these areas, they devised schemes to depopulate the African populations. This must be reversed. Africa can hold with much comfort at least three billion people (3,000,000,000 people).

If Africa is to stop the pending invasions and the pending slavery of Africans that is coming, Africans will have to start having lots of children and taking measures to expand the Black African population. Blacks in the Americas and all over the world should also reject population control and family planning and work to increase the Black population. This increase should be brought about by BLACK MEN AND WOMEN MARRYING AND HAVING MORE BABIES. Black people should reject all tricks to blend out the Black race and create a 'new' group who rejects their Black African roots. Black America must aim for Black distinctiveness. A Black person has to have Black parents so no mistake will be made about their race, origins or where their loyalty has to be directed. See more on this entire issue, (Susu and Susunomics," at www.iUniverse.com also see "A History of Education Book II," www.Xlibris.com )

RACIST INVASIONS AND ENSLAVEMENT OF AFRICANS BY SEMITES SINCE THE 700'S AD

Africans must realize that racist invasions, enslavement, schemes of genocide have been used to depopulation the African continent for centuries. Africans and Blacks globally must work to find ways to prevent the past from repeating in more sinister and evil ways. All population control, abortion, sterilization must be avoided. Africans must beware of schemes and ideologies being used to divide men and women so they think that the dividers care about the interests of Black people, when what they are doing is preaching genocide. Africans/Blacks globally will rise to power when Africa's Black population is about three billion, that of the Americas is one billion and that of Asia is two billion. There is enough room on earth for Black people, the original humans on planet earth. We must increase the Black population and we must create nations that are strong, powerful and keep our resources for our development.

Nigeria: Senator Laments Low Birth Rate Among Ndigbo

Dennis Agbo

6 October 2009

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Abakaliki — The present low birth rate in most Igbo families, has become a thing of worry to the Senate Vice Committee Chairman on the Federal Capital Territory (FCT), Senator Anthony Agbo.

According to Senator Agbo, unless the Igbos step-up their procreation rate by having more children, rather than restraining themselves to fewer children, the Igbos may in the nearest future become endangered specie in the Nigeria polity.

Agbo laments that whereas other tribes or race in the country have continued to increase their population by taking more wives and giving birth to many children, the Igbo have restrained themselves to one man, one wife, lamenting further that even in the case of one man one wife, the Igbo couples have resorted to the western life of having only one or two children.

Agbo said he was not oblivious of the economic situation, especially in the face of global meltdown, but that he is more worried that it was even the affluent families of Ndigbo that have decided to have fewer children, appealing to the Ndigbo to increase their population since politics is all about number.

The Senator representing Ebonyi North senatorial district said, "among all the problems that have bedeviled the Igbo man, the greatest of them which I am seeing now is the danger of population."

Lagos is NOT Nigeria.I didn't say that either.Lagos is a city in Nigeria and that's a good testament to density of the country.

lets get the facts about density! Nigeria is not densely populated, its cities are, but nothing compared to asian cities. Yes, even lagos pails in comparison to Mumbai, Dehli, or even Mexico city

List of countries and dependencies by population density


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Population density (people per km2) by country, 2006

This is a list of countries and dependencies ranked by human population density, and measured by the number of human inhabitants per square kilometre. The list includes sovereign states and self-governing dependent territories based upon the ISO standard ISO 3166-1. The list also includes but does not rank unrecognized but de facto independent countries. The figures in the following table are based on areas including inland water bodies (lakes, reservoirs, rivers). Data are estimates for July 2005, taken from the United Nations World Prospects Report (2004 revision), unless noted otherwise.

Note that figures are simply estimates of population divided by total surface area and are not considered in this article as reflecting density in the urban sense or as indicative of the ability of a territory’s land to support human habitation. Names of dependent territories as well as recognized states with no or limited control over their territory are shown in italics.
Rank ↓ Country/Region of special position ↓ Population ↓ Area
(km2) ↓ Area
(sq mi) ↓ Density
(/km2) ↓ Density
(/sq mi) ↓ Notes ↓
World (land only) 6,733,164,238 148,940,000 57,510,000 45.21 117.1 [1]
World (with water) 6,733,164,238 510,072,000 196,940,000 13.20 34.2 [1]
1 Flag of Macau Macau (China) 546,200 29.2 11.3 18,705 48,450 [2]
2 Monaco 32,000 1.95 0.75 16,410 42,500 [3]
3 Singapore 4,987,600 710.2 274.2 6,814 17,650 [4]
4 Flag of Hong Kong Hong Kong (China) 7,008,900 1,104 426 6,326 16,380 [5]
5 Flag of Gibraltar Gibraltar (UK) 31,000 6.8 2.6 5,119 13,260
6 Flag of the Vatican City Vatican City 826 0.44 0.17 1,877 4,860 [6]
7 Flag of Malta Malta 413,609[7] 316 122 1,309 3,390
8 Flag of Bermuda Bermuda (UK) 64,000 53 20 1,211 3,140
9 Bahrain 791,000[8] 720 280 1,099 2,850
10 Flag of Bangladesh Bangladesh 153,122,000 143,998 55,598 1,063 2,750 [9]
11 Flag of the Maldives Maldives 292,000 298 115 981 2,540
12 Flag of Guernsey Guernsey 65,726 78 30 842 2,180 [10]
13 Flag of Jersey Jersey 91,533 116 45 789 2,040 [11]
14 Palestinian flag Palestinian territories 4,018,332 6,020 2,320 667 1,730
15 Flag of the Republic of China Taiwan 22,894,384 35,980 13,890 636 1,650 [6]
16 Flag of Barbados Barbados 253,000 430 170 589 1,530
17 Flag of France Saint-Martin (France) 33,102 53.2 20.5 622 1,610
18 Flag of Mauritius Mauritius 1,252,000 2,040 790 614 1,590
19 Flag of Aruba Aruba (Netherlands) 101,000 193 75 561 1,450
20 Flag of France Mayotte (France) 186,452 374 144 499 1,290 [12]
21 Flag of South Korea South Korea 48,456,369 99,538 38,432 487 1,260 [13]
22 Flag of Nauru Nauru 10,000 21 8.1 481 1,250
23 Flag of San Marino San Marino 30,000 61 24 461 1,190
24 Flag of Puerto Rico Puerto Rico (US) 3,954,584 8,875 3,427 496 1,280
25 Flag of Lebanon Lebanon 4,082,000 10,452 4,036 404 1,050 [8]
26 Flag of Tuvalu Tuvalu 10,441 26 10 402 1,040
27 Flag of the Netherlands Netherlands 16,423,431 41,528 16,034 395 1,020 [14]
28 Flag of France Martinique (France) 398,000 1,102 425 361 930
29 Flag of Israel Israel 7,411,000 22,072 8,522 357 920
30 Flag of India India 1,130,618,000 3,287,263 1,269,219 344 890
31 Flag of the Marshall Islands Marshall Islands 61,963 181 70 342 890
32 Flag of Rwanda Rwanda 8,992,000 26,338 10,169 341 880
33 Flag of Belgium Belgium 10,415,000 30,528 11,787 341 880
34 Flag of Haiti Haiti 9,410,000 27,750 10,710 339 880
35 Flag of Japan Japan 127,449,000 377,873 145,898 337 870
36 Flag of the Comoros Comoros 616,000 2,235 863 331 860
37 Flag of France Saint-Barthélemy (France) 6,852 21 8.1 326 840
38 Flag of the United States Virgin Islands U.S. Virgin Islands (US) 110,000 347 134 316 820
39 Flag of American Samoa American Samoa (US) 63,000 199 77 315 820
40 Flag of France Réunion (France) 785,139 2,510 970 313 810
41 Flag of Guam Guam (US) 169,000 549 212 307 800
42 Flag of Saint Lucia Saint Lucia 165,000 539 208 306 790
43 Flag of Sri Lanka Sri Lanka 19,531,000 65,610 25,330 298 770
44 Flag of the Philippines Philippines 88,574,614 300,076 115,860 295 760 [15]
45 Flag of El Salvador El Salvador 6,059,000 21,041 8,124 288 750
46 Flag of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 109,000 388 150 280 730
47 Flag of Burundi Burundi 7,547,515 27,834 10,747 271 700
48 Flag of Grenada Grenada 102,924 344 133 260 670
49 Flag of Trinidad and Tobago Trinidad and Tobago 1,305,236 5,130 1,980 254 660
50 Flag of Vietnam Vietnam 84,074,000 331,689 128,066 253 660
51 Flag of France Guadeloupe (France) 405,000 1,628 629 249 640 [16]
52 Flag of the United Kingdom United Kingdom 60,776,238 242,900 93,800 246 640
53 Flag of Jamaica Jamaica 2,650,713 10,991 4,244 241 620
54 Flag of Germany Germany 82,689,210 357,022 137,847 232 600
55 Flag of the Netherlands Antilles Netherlands Antilles (Netherlands) 182,656 800 310 228 590
Flag of Kosovo Kosovo 2,100,000 10,908 4,212 220 570
56 Flag of Liechtenstein Liechtenstein 34,521 160 62 216 560
57 Flag of Pakistan Pakistan 165,935,100 803,940 310,400 198 510
58 Flag of Italy Italy 58,092,740 301,318 116,340 193 500
59 Flag of the Dominican Republic Dominican Republic 9,365,818 48,671 18,792 192 500
60 Flag of North Korea North Korea 22,487,660 120,538 46,540 187 480
61 Flag of Nepal Nepal 27,132,630 147,181 56,827 184 480
62 Flag of Antigua and Barbuda Antigua and Barbuda 81,479 442 171 184 480
63 Flag of Luxembourg Luxembourg 464,904 2,586 998 180 470
64 Flag of the Seychelles Seychelles 80,654 455 176 177 460
65 Flag of Switzerland Switzerland 7,252,331 41,284 15,940 176 460
66 Flag of the Northern Mariana Islands Northern Mariana Islands (US) 80,801 464 179 174 450
67 Flag of Cayman Islands Cayman Islands (UK) 45,017 264 102 171 440
68 Flag of Saint Kitts and Nevis Saint Kitts and Nevis 42,696 261 101 164 420
69 Flag of São Tomé and Príncipe Sao Tome and Principe 156,523 964 372 162 420
70 Flag of the Federated States of Micronesia Federated States of Micronesia 110,487 702 271 157 410
71 Flag of Kuwait Kuwait 2,686,873 17,818 6,880 151 390
72 Flag of the British Virgin Islands British Virgin Islands (UK) 22,016 151 58 146 380
73 Flag of Andorra Andorra 67,151 468 181 143 370
74 Flag of Nigeria Nigeria 131,529,700 923,768 356,669 142 370
75 Flag of the People's Republic of China People's Republic of China 1,323,324,000 9,596,961 3,705,407 138 360 [17]
76 Flag of Tonga Tonga 102,311 747 288 137 350 [18]
77 Flag of Kiribati Kiribati 99,350 726 280 137 350
78 Flag of The Gambia The Gambia 1,517,079 11,295 4,361 134 350
79 Flag of Anguilla Anguilla (UK) 12,205 91 35 134 350
80 Flag of the Isle of Man Isle of Man (UK) 76,538 572 221 134 350
81 Flag of Transnistria Transnistria (Moldova) 555,347 4,163 1,607 133 340 [19]
82 Flag of the Czech Republic Czech Republic 10,403,136 78,866 30,450 132 340
83 Flag of Denmark Denmark 5,417,000 43,094 16,639 126 330
84 Flag of Cape Verde Cape Verde 506,807 4,033 1,557 126 330
85 Flag of Thailand Thailand 64,232,760 513,115 198,115 125 320
86 Flag of Poland Poland 38,529,560 312,685 120,728 123 320 [18]
87 Flag of Moldova Moldova 4,128,047 33,844 13,067 122 320
88 Flag of Uganda Uganda 28,816,230 241,038 93,065 120 310
89 Flag of Indonesia Indonesia 222,781,500 1,904,569 735,358 117 300
90 Flag of Guatemala Guatemala 12,599,060 108,889 42,042 116 300
91 Flag of Portugal Portugal 10,528,000 92,391 35,672 114 300 [18]
92 Flag of New Zealand Tokelau (New Zealand) 1,378 12 4.6 115 300
93 Flag of Slovakia Slovakia 5,387,000 49,033 18,932 110 280
94 Flag of France France (Metropolitan) 60,495,540 551,500 212,900 110 280
95 Flag of Albania Albania 3,129,678 28,748 11,100 109 280
96 Flag of Malawi Malawi 12,883,940 118,484 45,747 109 280
97 Flag of Hungary Hungary 10,097,730 93,032 35,920 109 280
98 Flag of Togo Togo 6,145,004 56,785 21,925 108 280
99 Flag of Dominica Dominica 78,940 751 290 105 270
100 Flag of Syria Syria 19,043,380 185,180 71,500 103 270
101 Flag of Cuba Cuba 11,269,400 110,861 42,804 102 260
100 Flag of Armenia Armenia 3,016,312 29,800 11,500 101 260
102 Flag of Serbia Serbia (excluding Kosovo) 7,800,000 77,474 29,913 100 260 [6]
103 Flag of Austria Austria 8,189,444 83,858 32,378 98 250
104 Flag of Azerbaijan Azerbaijan 8,410,801 86,600 33,400 97 250
105 Flag of Slovenia Slovenia 2,066,814 20,256 7,821 97 250
106 Flag of Turkey Turkey 71,169,000 783,562 302,535 91 240
107 Flag of Ghana Ghana 22,112,810 238,533 92,098 93 240
108 Flag of Romania Romania 21,711,470 238,391 92,043 91 240
109 Flag of Cyprus Cyprus 836,000 9,251 3,572 90 230
110 Flag of Spain Spain 43,060,000 506,030 195,380 85 220
111 Flag of Costa Rica Costa Rica 4,328,000 51,100 19,700 85 220
112 Flag of Greece Greece 11,064,000 131,957 50,949 84 220
113 Flag of Malaysia Malaysia 27,730,000 329,847 127,355 84 220 [20]
114 Flag of the Republic of Macedonia Republic of Macedonia 2,114,550 25,713 9,928 82.2 213
115 Flag of Croatia Croatia 4,443,000 56,538 21,829 79 200
Flag of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus Northern Cyprus (Cyprus) 264,172 3,355 1,295 78 200 [21]
116 Flag of France Wallis and Futuna (France) 15,480 200 77 77 200
117 Flag of Sierra Leone Sierra Leone 5,107,000 71,740 27,700 71 180
118 Flag of Ukraine Ukraine 46,936,000 603,700 233,100 78 200
119 Flag of Bosnia and Herzegovina Bosnia and Herzegovina 3,781,000 51,197 19,767 74 190
120 Flag of the Cook Islands Cook Islands (New Zealand) 179,000 236 91 81 210
121 Flag of Benin Benin 7,868,000 112,622 43,484 70 180
122 Flag of Cambodia Cambodia 13,388,910 181,035 69,898 74 190 [22]
123 Flag of Qatar Qatar 796,000 11,000 4,200 72 190
124 Flag of Egypt Egypt 72,850,000 1,001,449 386,662 72 190
125 Flag of Myanmar Myanmar (Burma) 47,967,000 676,578 261,228 71 180
126 Flag of Ethiopia Ethiopia 78,986,000 1,104,300 426,400 70 180
127 Flag of Bulgaria Bulgaria 7,745,000 110,912 42,823 70 180
128 Flag of Morocco Morocco 30,495,000 446,550 172,410 68 180
129 Flag of Iraq Iraq 28,807,190 438,317 169,235 66 170
130 Flag of Samoa Samoa 184,984 2,831 1,093 65 170
131 Flag of Brunei Brunei 373,819 5,765 2,226 65 170
132 Flag of Honduras Honduras 7,204,723 112,492 43,433 64 170
133 Flag of French Polynesia French Polynesia (France) 256,603 4,000 1,500 64 170
134 Flag of Georgia (country) Georgia 4,465,000 69,700 26,900 64 170
135 Flag of East Timor East Timor 947,064 14,874 5,743 64 170
136 Flag of the Turks and Caicos Islands Turks and Caicos Islands (UK) 26,288 417 161 63 160 [18]
137 Flag of Jordan Jordan 5,566,000 89,342 34,495 62 160
138 Flag of Tunisia Tunisia 10,102,470 163,610 63,170 62 160
139 Flag of Swaziland Swaziland 1,032,438 17,364 6,704 59 150
140 Flag of Uzbekistan Uzbekistan 26,593,120 447,400 172,700 59 150
141 Flag of Senegal Senegal 11,658,170 196,722 75,955 59 150
142 Flag of Lesotho Lesotho 1,794,769 30,355 11,720 59 150
143 Flag of Ireland Ireland 4,147,901 70,273 27,133 59 150
144 Flag of Kenya Kenya 34,255,720 580,367 224,081 59 150
145 Flag of Côte d'Ivoire Côte d'Ivoire 18,153,870 322,463 124,504 56 150
146 Flag of the United Arab Emirates United Arab Emirates 4,104,000 83,600 32,300 49 130
147 Flag of Mexico Mexico 104,266,000 1,958,201 756,066 53 140
148 Flag of Ecuador Ecuador 13,063,000 283,561 109,484 46 120
149 Flag of Lithuania Lithuania 3,369,600 65,300 25,200 52 130
150 Flag of Burkina Faso Burkina Faso 13,227,840 274,000 106,000 48 120
151 Flag of Belarus Belarus 9,755,106 207,600 80,200 47 120
152 Flag of Fiji Fiji 847,706 18,274 7,056 46 120
153 Flag of Bhutan Bhutan 2,162,546 47,000 18,000 46 120
154 Flag of Afghanistan Afghanistan 29,863,010 652,090 251,770 46 120
155 Flag of Tajikistan Tajikistan 6,506,980 143,100 55,300 45 120
156 Flag of Montenegro Montenegro 630,548 14,026 5,415 45 120 [6]
157 Flag of Montserrat Montserrat (UK) 4,488 102 39 44 110
158 Flag of Guinea-Bissau Guinea-Bissau 1,586,344 36,125 13,948 44 110
159 Flag of Palau Palau 19,949 459 177 43 110
160 Flag of Panama Panama 3,231,502 75,517 29,157 43 110
161 Flag of Nicaragua Nicaragua 5,486,685 130,000 50,000 42 110
162 Flag of Iran Iran 69,515,210 1,648,195 636,372 42 110
163 Flag of Tanzania Tanzania 38,328,810 945,087 364,900 41 110 [18]
164 Flag of Saint Helena Saint Helena (UK) 4,918 122 47 40 100
165 Flag of Colombia Colombia 45,600,240 1,138,914 439,737 40 100
166 Flag of Yemen Yemen 20,974,660 527,968 203,850 40 100
167 Flag of South Africa South Africa 47,431,830 1,221,037 471,445 39 100
168 Flag of Guinea Guinea 9,402,098 245,857 94,926 38 98
169 Flag of Eritrea Eritrea 4,401,357 117,600 45,400 37 96
170 Flag of Latvia Latvia 2,306,988 64,600 24,900 36 93
171 Flag of Cameroon Cameroon 16,321,860 475,442 183,569 34 88
172 Flag of Djibouti Djibouti 793,078 23,200 9,000 34 88
173 Flag of the Faroe Islands Faroe Islands (Denmark) 47,017 1,399 540 34 88
174 Flag of Zimbabwe Zimbabwe 13,009,530 390,757 150,872 33 85
175 Flag of Nagorno-Karabakh Republic Nagorno-Karabakh (Disputed, Armenia/Azerbaijan) 145,000 4,400 1,700 33 85 [23]
176 Flag of Madagascar Madagascar 18,605,920 587,041 226,658 32 83
177 Flag of the United States United States of America 302,741,000 9,629,091 3,717,813 31 80
178 Flag of Abkhazia Abkhazia (Disputed Russia/Georgia) 200,000 7,138 2,756 29 75 [24]
179 Flag of Estonia Estonia 1,329,697 45,100 17,400 29 75
180 Flag of Liberia Liberia 3,283,267 111,369 43,000 29 75
181 Flag of Venezuela Venezuela 26,726,000 916,445 353,841 29 75
182 Flag of Kyrgyzstan Kyrgyzstan 5,263,794 199,900 77,200 26 67
183 Flag of Laos Laos 5,924,145 236,800 91,400 25 65
184 Flag of Mozambique Mozambique 19,792,300 801,590 309,500 25 65
185 Flag of the Democratic Republic of the Congo Democratic Republic of the Congo 57,548,740 2,344,858 905,355 25 65
186 Flag of Somaliland Somaliland (Somalia) 3,500,000 137,600 53,100 25 65 [25]
187 Flag of France Saint-Pierre and Miquelon (France) 5,769 242 93 24 62
188 Flag of the Bahamas The Bahamas 325,000 13,878 5,358 23 60
189 Flag of Brazil Brazil 186,075,000 8,514,877 3,287,612 22 57
190 Flag of Peru Peru 27,836,000 1,285,216 496,225 22 57
191 Flag of Chile Chile 16,295,100 756,096 291,930 22 57
192 Flag of Sweden Sweden 9,041,262 449,964 173,732 20.0 52
193 Flag of Uruguay Uruguay 3,463,197 175,016 67,574 19.8 51
194 Flag of Equatorial Guinea Equatorial Guinea 503,519 28,051 10,831 18.0 47
195 Flag of South Ossetia South Ossetia (Disputed Russia/Georgia) 70,000 3,900 1,500 17.9 46 [26]
196 Flag of Vanuatu Vanuatu 211,367 12,189 4,706 17.3 45
197 Flag of the Solomon Islands Solomon Islands 477,742 28,896 11,157 16.5 43
198 Flag of Finland Finland 5,302,060 338,145 130,559 15.6 40
199 Flag of Zambia Zambia 11,668,460 752,618 290,587 15.5 40
200 Flag of Paraguay Paraguay 6,158,259 406,752 157,048 15.1 39
201 Flag of New Zealand New Zealand 4,097,000 270,534 104,454 15 39
202 Flag of Sudan Sudan 36,232,950 2,505,813 967,500 14.5 38
203 Flag of Argentina Argentina 38,747,150 2,780,400 1,073,500 13.9 36
204 Flag of Algeria Algeria 32,853,800 2,381,741 919,595 13.8 36
205 Flag of the Pitcairn Islands Pitcairn Islands (UK) 67 5 1.9 13.4 35
206 Flag of Somalia Somalia 8,227,826 637,657 246,201 12.9 33
207 Flag of Angola Angola 15,941,390 1,246,700 481,400 12.8 33
208 Flag of France New Caledonia (France) 236,838 18,575 7,172 12.8 33
209 Flag of Papua New Guinea Papua New Guinea 5,887,138 462,840 178,700 12.7 33
210 Flag of Belize Belize 276,000 23,000 8,900 12 31
211 Flag of Norway Norway 4,751,236 385,155 148,709 12.3 32
212 Flag of the Republic of the Congo Republic of the Congo 3,998,904 342,000 132,000 11.7 30
213 Flag of Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia 24,573,100 2,149,690 830,000 11.4 30
214 Flag of Niger Niger 13,956,980 1,267,000 489,000 11.0 28
215 Flag of Mali Mali 13,518,420 1,240,192 478,841 10.9 28
216 Flag of Turkmenistan Turkmenistan 4,833,266 488,100 188,500 9.9 26
217 Flag of Russia Russia 143,201,600 17,098,242 6,601,668 8.4 22
218 Flag of Bolivia Bolivia 9,182,015 1,098,581 424,164 8.4 22
219 Flag of Oman Oman 2,577,000 309,500 119,500 8.3 21
220 Flag of Chad Chad 9,748,931 1,284,000 496,000 7.6 20
221 Flag of the Central African Republic Central African Republic 4,037,747 622,984 240,535 6.5 17
222 Flag of Kazakhstan Kazakhstan 15,194,000 2,724,900 1,052,100 6.0 16
223 Flag of Niue Niue (New Zealand) 2,000 260 100 6.0 16
224 Flag of Gabon Gabon 1,383,841 267,668 103,347 5.2 13
225 Flag of Guyana Guyana 751,218 214,969 83,000 3.5 9.1
226 Flag of Libya Libya 5,853,452 1,759,540 679,360 3.3 8.5
227 Flag of Canada Canada 33,271,000 9,984,670 3,855,100 3 7.8
228 Flag of Botswana Botswana 1,764,926 581,730 224,610 3.0 7.8
229 Flag of Mauritania Mauritania 3,068,742 1,025,520 395,960 3.0 7.8
230 Flag of Iceland Iceland 309,672 103,000 40,000 3.0 7.8
231 Flag of Suriname Suriname 452,000 163,820 63,250 3 7.8
232 Flag of Australia Australia 21,468,700 7,682,300 2,966,200 2.84 7.4
233 Flag of Namibia Namibia 2,031,252 824,292 318,261 2.5 6.5
234 Flag of France French Guiana (France) 187,056 90,000 35,000 2.1 5.4
235 Flag of Mongolia Mongolia 2,646,487 1,564,116 603,909 1.7 4.4
236 Flag of Western Sahara Western Sahara 440,000 266,000 103,000 1.3 3.4
237 Flag of the Falkland Islands Falkland Islands (UK) 3,140 12,173 4,700 0.26 0.67
238 Flag of Greenland Greenland (Denmark) 56,700 2,175,600 840,000 0.026 0.067 [27]

From your the record posted above by Bright2 Nigeria is 75 position in the world and that is disturbing. Let's not deceived ourselves here there's always a wrong population statistic for Nigeria. Nigeria will rank among first 20 in the world if well scrutinized - the birth rate for Nigeria is very high when compared to the mortality rate and that is not even taken into record here.

From your the record posted above by Bright2 Nigeria is 75 position in the world and that is disturbing. Let's not deceived ourselves here there's always a wrong population statistic for Nigeria. Nigeria will rank among first 20 in the world if well scrutinized - the birth rate for Nigeria is very high when compared to the mortality rate and that is not even taken into record here.


Not really, nigeria is a large country, with massive amounts of emigration to africa, europe and now asia. Comparing Lagos to other major dense cities, its stilll very small.....take a look


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] Cities proper by population density
Flag of BangladeshDhaka, Bangladesh
Flag of the PhilippinesManila, Philippines
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2 Manila &0000000001660714.0000001,660,714 [3] &0000000000000038.55000038.55[4] &0000000000000014.88000014.88 &0000000000043079.00000043,079 &0000000000111576.000000111,576 Philippines
3 Bogor &0000000000866034.000000866,034[5] &0000000000000021.56000021.56[6] &0000000000000008.3200008.32 &0000000000040169.00000040,169 &0000000000104037.000000104,037 Indonesia
4 Titagarh &0000000000124213.000000124,213[7] &0000000000000003.2400003.24[8] &0000000000000001.2500001.25 &0000000000038337.00000038,337 &0000000000099293.00000099,293 India
5 Baranagar &0000000000250768.000000250,768[7] &0000000000000007.1200007.12[8] &0000000000000002.7500002.75 &0000000000035220.00000035,220 &0000000000091220.00000091,220 India
6 Serampore &0000000000197857.000000197,857[7] &0000000000000005.8800005.88[8] &0000000000000002.2700002.27 &0000000000033649.00000033,649 &0000000000087151.00000087,151 India
7 Mumbai &0000000013922125.00000013,922,125[9] &0000000000000466.000000466[10] &0000000000000232.800000232.8 &0000000000029875.00000029,875 &0000000000077378.00000077,378 India
8 Pateros &0000000000061940.00000061,940 [3] &0000000000000002.1000002.1[11] &0000000000000000.8100000.81 &0000000000029495.00000029,495 &0000000000076392.00000076,392 Philippines
9 South Dumdum &0000000000392444.000000392,444[7] &0000000000000013.54000013.54[8] &0000000000000005.2300005.23 &0000000000028984.00000028,984 &0000000000075069.00000075,069 India
10 Kamarhati &0000000000314507.000000314,507[7] &0000000000000010.96000010.96[8] &0000000000000004.2300004.23 &0000000000028696.00000028,696 &0000000000074323.00000074,323 India
11 Delhi &0000000012259230.00000012,259,230[9] &0000000000000431.000000431[10] &0000000000000166.400000166.4 &0000000000028443.00000028,443 &0000000000073673.00000073,673 India
12 Kolkata &0000000005080519.0000005,080,519[9] &0000000000000185.000000185[10] &0000000000000071.40000071.4 &0000000000027462.00000027,462 &0000000000071156.00000071,156 India
13 Mandaluyong &0000000000305576.000000305,576[3] &0000000000000011.26000011.26[4] &0000000000000004.3500004.35 &0000000000027138.00000027,138 &0000000000070288.00000070,288 Philippines
14 Neapoli &0000000000030279.00000030,279[12] &0000000000000001.1700001.17[12] &0000000000000000.4500000.45 &0000000000025879.00000025,879 &0000000000067027.00000067,027 Greece
15 Caloocan &0000000001378856.0000001,378,856[3] &0000000000000053.34000053.34[4] &0000000000000020.60000020.6 &0000000000025850.00000025,850 &0000000000066952.00000066,952 Philippines
16 Chennai &0000000004590267.0000004,590,267[9] &0000000000000181.040000181.04[13] &0000000000000069.90000069.9 &0000000000025354.00000025,354 &0000000000065669.00000065,669 India
17 Sukabumi &0000000000300694.000000300,694[5] &0000000000000012.15000012.15[6] &0000000000000004.6900004.69 &0000000000024748.00000024,748 &0000000000064099.00000064,099 Indonesia
18 Bangalore &0000000005310318.0000005,310,318[9] &0000000000000226.240000226.24[14] &0000000000000087.35000087.35 &0000000000023472.00000023,472 &0000000000060793.00000060,793 India
19 Hyderabad &0000000004025335.0000004,025,335[9] &0000000000000172.700000172.70[14] &0000000000000066.68000066.68 &0000000000023308.00000023,308 &0000000000060368.00000060,368 India
20 Saint-Josse-ten-Noode &0000000000026488.00000026,488[15] &0000000000000001.1400001.14[16] &0000000000000000.4400000.44 &0000000000023235.00000023,235 &0000000000060179.00000060,179 Belgium
21 Malabon &0000000000363681.000000363,681[3] &0000000000000015.76000015.76[4] &0000000000000006.0800006.08 &0000000000023076.00000023,076 &0000000000059767.00000059,767 Philippines
22 Kallithea &0000000000109609.000000109,609[17] &0000000000000004.7500004.75[17] &0000000000000001.8300001.83 &0000000000023076.00000023,076 &0000000000059767.00000059,767 Greece
23 Jaigaon &0000000000038689.00000038,689[7] &0000000000000001.6900001.69[8] &0000000000000000.6500000.65 &0000000000022893.00000022,893 &0000000000059293.00000059,293 India
24 Navotas &0000000000245344.000000245,344[3] &0000000000000010.77000010.77[4] &0000000000000004.1600004.16 &0000000000022780.00000022,780 &0000000000059001.00000059,001 Philippines
25 Ampelokipoi &0000000000040959.00000040,959[12] &0000000000000001.8000001.80[12] &0000000000000000.6900000.69 &0000000000022755.00000022,755 &0000000000058935.00000058,935 Greece
26 Banupur &0000000000011647.00000011,647[7] &0000000000000000.5200000.52[8] &0000000000000000.2000000.20 &0000000000022398.00000022,398 &0000000000058011.00000058,011 India
27 Bally &0000000000260906.000000260,906[7] &0000000000000011.81000011.81[8] &0000000000000004.5600004.56 &0000000000022092.00000022,092 &0000000000057218.00000057,218 India
28 Balurghat &0000000000135737.000000135,737[7] &0000000000000006.3700006.37[8] &0000000000000002.4600002.46 &0000000000021309.00000021,309 &0000000000055190.00000055,190 India
29 Pasay &0000000000403064.000000403,064[3] &0000000000000019.00000019.00[4] &0000000000000007.3400007.34 &0000000000021214.00000021,214 &0000000000054944.00000054,944 Philippines
30 Nea Smyrni &0000000000073986.00000073,986[17] &0000000000000003.5200003.52[17] &0000000000000001.3600001.36 &0000000000021019.00000021,019 &0000000000054439.00000054,439 Greece
31 Paris &0000000002203817.0000002,203,817[18] &0000000000000105.400000105.4[19][20] &0000000000000040.50000040.5 &0000000000020909.00000020,909 &0000000000054156.00000054,156 France
32 Haora &0000000001034372.0000001,034,372[9] &0000000000000051.74000051.74[14] &0000000000000019.98000019.98 &0000000000019992.00000019,992 &0000000000051779.00000051,779 India
33 Pasig &0000000000617301.000000617,301[3] &0000000000000031.00000031.00[4] &0000000000000011.97000011.97 &0000000000019913.00000019,913 &0000000000051575.00000051,575 Philippines
34 Howrah &0000000001007532.0000001,007,532[7] &0000000000000051.74000051.74[8] &0000000000000019.98000019.98 &0000000000019473.00000019,473 &0000000000050435.00000050,435 India
35 Ahmedabad &0000000003913793.0000003,913,793[9] &0000000000000204.000000204 &0000000000000078.80000078.8 &0000000000019185.00000019,185 &0000000000049690.00000049,690 India
36 Athens &0000000000745514.000000745,514[17] &0000000000000038.96000038.96[17] &0000000000000015.04000015.04 &0000000000019135.00000019,135 &0000000000049560.00000049,560 Greece
37 Union City &0000000000062715.00000062,715[21] &0000000000000003.3000003.3 &0000000000000001.3000001.3 &0000000000019005.00000019,005 &0000000000049222.00000049,222 United States
38 Makati &0000000000510383.000000510,383[3] &0000000000000027.36000027.36[4] &0000000000000010.56000010.56 &0000000000018654.00000018,654 &0000000000048315.00000048,315 Philippines
39 Naihati &0000000000215303.000000215,303[7] &0000000000000011.55000011.55[8] &0000000000000004.4600004.46 &0000000000018641.00000018,641 &0000000000048280.00000048,280 India
40 Macau &0000000000544200.000000544,200[22] &0000000000000029.20000029.2[23] &0000000000000011.30000011.3 &0000000000018637.00000018,637 &0000000000048270.00000048,270 China
41 Saint-Gilles &0000000000046931.00000046,931[15] &0000000000000002.5200002.52[16] &0000000000000000.9700000.97 &0000000000018623.00000018,623 &0000000000048234.00000048,234 Belgium
42 Panihati &0000000000348438.000000348,438[7] &0000000000000019.40000019.40[8] &0000000000000007.4900007.49 &0000000000017961.00000017,961 &0000000000046519.00000046,519 India
43 Malé &0000000000103693.000000103,693[24] &0000000000000005.7980005.798[25][26] &0000000000000002.2390002.239 &0000000000017884.00000017,884 &0000000000046320.00000046,320 Flag of the Maldives Maldives
44 Allahabad &0000000001125045.0000001,125,045[9] &0000000000000063.38000063.38[14] &0000000000000024.47000024.47 &0000000000017751.00000017,751 &0000000000045975.00000045,975 India
45 Guttenberg &0000000000010601.00000010,601[27] &0000000000000000.6000000.6 &0000000000000000.2000000.2 &0000000000017668.00000017,668 &0000000000045761.00000045,761 United States
46 Rishra &0000000000113305.000000113,305[7] &0000000000000006.4800006.48[8] &0000000000000002.5000002.50 &0000000000017485.00000017,485 &0000000000045286.00000045,286 India
47 Sylhet &0000000000463198.000000463,198[1] &0000000000000026.50000026.5[2] &0000000000000010.23000010.23 &0000000000017479.00000017,479 &0000000000045278.00000045,278 Bangladesh
48 Seoul &0000000010456034.00000010,456,034[28] &0000000000000605.400000605.4 &0000000000000233.700000233.7 &0000000000017215.00000017,215 &0000000000044587.00000044,587 South Korea
49 Dafni &0000000000023674.00000023,674[17] &0000000000000001.3800001.38[17] &0000000000000000.5300000.53 &0000000000017155.00000017,155 &0000000000044431.00000044,431 Greece
50 Khardaha &0000000000116470.000000116,470[7] &0000000000000006.8700006.87[8] &0000000000000002.6500002.65 &0000000000016953.00000016,953 &0000000000043908.00000043,908 India
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I didn't say that either.Lagos is a city in Nigeria and that's a good testament to density of the country.
No it is NOT. On the contrary, most of Nigeria is actually unlike Lagos and Lagos is the smallest state by landmass in Nigeria.

This is what African Americans had to deal with in USA don't let this happen to Africa!!!!!! Don't fall for the overpopulation propaganda I'm sure the men & women of African SSC are smarter than this. Don't let our history repeat in Africa... BE AWARE OF PLAN PARENTHOOD!!!

Here is a clip forward to 6:00 minutes & listen to what they think of black civilization!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQXt6YIbdRE&feature=related

The entire video is on youtube.... or you can simply read the information on this site http://maafa21.com/

Black Americans are now waking up to this don't fall for it Africa!!!!

Why are people comparing Nigerian cities with other overpopulated cities?
The idea is that Nigerian cities do not become like those cities. There is such a thing as too many people living too close to one another. Especially if many of them are jobless.
As far as "the we have resources but we have not exploited them anywhere near their potential" argument goes, I will reply as say, "why haven't you?".
As far as security is concerned, I am no pacifist. I think signing the NNPT is a classic example of Africans shooting themselves in the foot. All have signed it yet their safety in not guaranteed in a world of nuclear weapons.
If African countries form economic links with countries like USA, China, India, supplying a significant proportion of their oil and/or minerals, those supplier countries will become potential targets for enemies of the US, China, India, who might wish to sabotage the economy of their foe. If those supplier African countries had SOME nuclear capability, enemies of the US, China, India will think twice about attacking a country which can hit back. There are no rules in war.

If the population is well controled there is every tendency the people will have a better standard of living.Imean reducing the birth rate and put the population in subjection to the regulations.Are people tired of those happy faces in glorified squalors?Small population is better managed than large one.

If the population is well controled there is every tendency the people will have a better standard of living.Imean reducing the birth rate and put the population in subjection to the regulations.Are people tired of those happy faces in glorified squalors?Small population is better managed than large one.

I would go for balanced birth rate, high literacy, good city planning, understanding of climate change, but not necessarily a small population. Countries with large populations (India/Brazil/China) are surging in terms of economic growth. Even the IMF projects nigeria economy will substantial because of it population. It will have a larger middle class pop than the population of France by 2050.

I would go for balanced birth rate, high literacy, good city planning, understanding of climate change, but not necessarily a small population. Countries with large populations (India/Brazil/China) are surging in terms of economic growth. Even the IMF projects nigeria economy will substantial because of it population. It will have a larger middle class pop than the population of France by 2050.IMF statistic is sometimes faulty.That does not neccessarily mean it's not right in the project of Nigerian economy.But, it's better to have the population under control than relying on statistic.

We need to stop men taking multiple wives, and not being able to care for their families. A llimit of 3 kids for those living in slums.

I would go for balanced birth rate, high literacy, good city planning, understanding of climate change, but not necessarily a small population. Countries with large populations (India/Brazil/China) are surging in terms of economic growth. Even the IMF projects nigeria economy will substantial because of it population. It will have a larger middle class pop than the population of France by 2050.
Be aware that some people here do not believe that education can help Nigerians.

Are we talking northerners or southerners? There will always be gap in literacy, vaccinations, and child mortality, but I think it can be reduced!

Are we talking northerners or southerners? There will always be gap in literacy, vaccinations, and child mortality, but I think it can be reduced!
Nope. I am talking about people HERE on this forum who believe that education will not help Nigerians and that investing in the education and health of the Nigerian population is infinitely less useful than simply culling it.

Nope. I am talking about people HERE on this forum who believe that education will not help Nigerians and that investing in the education and health of the Nigerian population is infinitely less useful than simply culling it.

Each to there own views, I know tons of well educated in nig, and overseas:) I think its possible. The next 25 years are going to be very interesting with climate change, the rise of BRIC nations, and the movement of funds to the developing world.

Nobody ever gone against educating Nigerian population. The bone of contention was people giving birth at allarming rate even when they are educated themselves. The reason why I only stated that education alone can't be a solution in my previous comments was prior to such state of population becoming a cultural thing. It's hard for some people to comprehend the broader view on this matter.I hope you guys will get the whole idea from this angle.

Monday, October 19, 2009
REPORTER'S DIARY:ONE MAN,ONE ROOM,TWO WIVES AND FOUR CHILDREN
By Niyi Tabiti
Diary. Well, I discovered that most of the things we call comedy in Nigeria movies are serious issues that must be tackled. They are real!

Iya Funke, my friend lives opposite the house of a man who has a room, two wives and fours children. I didn’t believe her until one evening when the two wives started fighting over who ate the bread on the table. People tried to settle the misunderstanding. I was shocked when the first wife started abusing her husband and the second wife, saying that she has been the one feeding the family for sometime.

The man is a commercial motorcyclist by profession (Okada rider) while the first wife is a petty trader, the second wife is a full time house wife. I was shocked to the marrows of my body when I learnt that the guy actually has two wives in one room. I even thought he had three children until I discovered that they are four children.I only see things like these in Nollywood movies until I saw it live!!!

“What manner of man is this”, :ohno:I asked myself rhetorically. On my way home, I kept asking myself different questions, most of which I have not found an answer till date. Does this kind of thing still happen in this age and time? How do they have sex when the children are also there in the room? When he is having sex with the first wife under the watchful eyes of the second wife, what is her reaction?(At least,there would be no way they would be having sex that the other person won't know)

How will the man meet up with his responsibilities of taking care of the children with the meager sum he makes from his commercial motorcycle? What kind of children would come out of that kind of marriage? Is the man not ashamed at all? (I even saw him recently)…why are the two women so blind in love (or lust) that made the two women agree to stay in the one room with him?i mean..what manner of a man is this!

I hope the Nigerian govt. will see how controling the population will make things easier to implement through out the country.It's not a matter of vibrancy now it is a matter of how opportunity can get to this expanding group of poor people who are not seeing the effect of having more kids.

How come Westerners like to knock anything different from their lifestyle. I mean seriously if a group of people is doing the polygamy lifestyle whats the big deal? If his/her is taking care of their family & the children is getting a good education then what is the big deal? This country & continent has way more important things to worry about besides population control! Like creating some jobs! Its funny how the countries that are wealthy & very wasteful are having less children but the fertility levels are so low to the point their governments are promoting higher higher fertility rates. Why not a friendlier immigration policy & creating more job opportunities for these high fertility areas?

How come Westerners like to knock anything different from their lifestyle. I mean seriously if a group of people is doing the polygamy lifestyle whats the big deal? If his/her is taking care of their family & the children is getting a good education then what is the big deal? This country & continent has way more important things to worry about besides population control! Like creating some jobs! Its funny how the countries that are wealthy & very wasteful are having less children but the fertility levels are so low to the point their governments are promoting higher higher fertility rates. Why not a friendlier immigration policy & creating more job opportunities for these high fertility areas?

^^ http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/65628

How come Westerners like to knock anything different from their lifestyle. I mean seriously if a group of people is doing the polygamy lifestyle whats the big deal? If his/her is taking care of their family & the children is getting a good education then what is the big deal? This country & continent has way more important things to worry about besides population control! Like creating some jobs! Its funny how the countries that are wealthy & very wasteful are having less children but the fertility levels are so low to the point their governments are promoting higher higher fertility rates. Why not a friendlier immigration policy & creating more job opportunities for these high fertility areas?It is not a matter of polygamy but of population and the environment-it is the very truth that must be accepted by the Africans,most especially Nigerians, that they can not continue increasing the population and see a better living standard and environment. That is for Europe, maybe they are seeking economic migrants who will do the odd jobs for them but I think that news is out of proportion and not true.

It is not a matter of polygamy but of population and the environment-it is the very truth that must be accepted by the Africans,most especially Nigerians, that they can not continue increasing the population and see a better living standard and environment. That is for Europe, maybe they are seeking economic migrants who will do the odd jobs for them but I think that news is out of proportion and not true.

I agree - married to two women with 8 kids, living in a one room house, please, this not western values but common sense. Population control and adequate santitation go hand in hand. Also, people wonder why there is not enough rice or things are too expensive, its too expensive for a family 11!!

More migrants are going to leave Nigeria, no matter the economic growth, large families mean poverty.

I agree - married to two women with 8 kids, living in a one room house, please, this not western values but common sense. Population control and adequate santitation go hand in hand. Also, people wonder why there is not enough rice or things are too expensive, its too expensive for a family 11!!

More migrants are going to leave Nigeria, no matter the economic growth, large families mean poverty.
And how's that really any different from 8 baby mamas and 18 kids living in the projects? :ohno:

I left this discussion a while back when I realized that the principal protagonist was not really interested in an intelligent discourse that goes beyond a rote regurgitation of obtuse stereotypes, because folks can spin cultural stereotypes infinitum (just as I did with the above baby mama version). Nevertheless, at the end of the day, it's all about EDUCATION and the enlightened self-interest that comes with it more than anything to do with so-called 'culture' (as if culture is a static phenomenon).
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Culture changes but the value can have a lasting impact on the people and it is sad somebody don't want to see that. The ridumentary(not being pedantic)would be to educate the people yet there are barriers which need to be tackled first before education in it own right can be good use(what is the use of education when people who are educated still display charaters of illitrates?) --it quite amazing somebody is not seeing tat here. Education comes with lots of packages beside knowledge.When those packages are no more present the common sense(by bright2) becomes useless and things will end up in a very bad way. Let get this straight, it will take much effort to educate more people than few.

How fast is Nigeria growing? Will the pass countries like Brasil or Russia?

Nigeria will surpass Brazil in 2050 according to projections but only by 4 million people

Russia is not growing rapidly...they will be behind Nigeria by 2020..by 2050 they will be less than 50% the population of Nigeria

by 2050 Nigeria will not be the largest population in Africa, rather Ethiopia

Nigeria will rise from 8th to 7th....not a big difference in terms of global position.

Thats sad to hear, considering Nigeria is the size of the state of Bahia in Brasil. I don't know where everyone will fit? One natural disaster like a flood will kill many people.

Nigeria doesn't get Natural disasters..and our Agriculture is still virgin.

It's still very crowded, people will go hungary when all the food runs up. It seems impossible that nigeria could reach a population of around 220 million by 2050. They will probably kill the girls like China did to control the population.

Thats sad to hear, considering Nigeria is the size of the state of Bahia in Brasil. I don't know where everyone will fit? One natural disaster like a flood will kill many people.

Nigeria is about 2 times the size of that state. Nigeria is about the size of Mato Grosso however it is smaller; considering that Japan has nearly the same population as Nigeria with about a 5th of the land Nigeria has, I am very guaranteed that we would be OK. Besides, who knows, maybe be in that time, there would be no Nigeria but Ecowas.

Nigeria is about 2 times the size of that stat. Nigeria is about the size of Mato Grosso however it is smaller, considering that Japan has nearly the same population as Nigeria with about a 5th of the land Nigeria has, I am very guaranteed that we would be OK. Besides, who know, maybe be in that time, there would be no Nigeria but Ecowas.

Hell no :)

Nigeria is about 2 times the size of that state. Nigeria is about the size of Mato Grosso however it is smaller; considering that Japan has nearly the same population as Nigeria with about a 5th of the land Nigeria has, I am very guaranteed that we would be OK. Besides, who knows, maybe be in that time, there would be no Nigeria but Ecowas.


My bad I've never been to Mato Grosso. I just know the Northeastern region of brasil and Bahia is the biggest in the area, it looked like the same size as Nigeria on the map. Japan stabalized a decade ago. The poulation is starting to decline, Japan has 128million. Nigeria has not stabalized with a fastly growing population of 155million.

My bad I've never been to Mato Grosso. I just know the Northeastern region of brasil and Bahia is the biggest in the area, it looked like the same size as Nigeria on the map. Japan stabalized a decade ago. The poulation is starting to decline, Japan has 128million. Nigeria has not stabalized with a fastly growing population of 155million.

Regardless of stabilization they still have a much higher density than Nigeria will ever dream of!

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Much of that video is ignorance.

Nigeria will surpass Brazil in 2050 according to projections but only by 4 million people

Russia is not growing rapidly...they will be behind Nigeria by 2020..by 2050 they will be less than 50% the population of Nigeria

by 2050 Nigeria will not be the largest population in Africa, rather Ethiopia

Nigeria will rise from 8th to 7th....not a big difference in terms of global position.

interesting, where'd you hear about ethiopia passing nigeria?

Nigeria: Senator Laments Low Birth Rate Among Ndigbo

Dennis Agbo

6 October 2009

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Abakaliki — The present low birth rate in most Igbo families, has become a thing of worry to the Senate Vice Committee Chairman on the Federal Capital Territory (FCT), Senator Anthony Agbo.

According to Senator Agbo, unless the Igbos step-up their procreation rate by having more children, rather than restraining themselves to fewer children, the Igbos may in the nearest future become endangered specie in the Nigeria polity.

Agbo laments that whereas other tribes or race in the country have continued to increase their population by taking more wives and giving birth to many children, the Igbo have restrained themselves to one man, one wife, lamenting further that even in the case of one man one wife, the Igbo couples have resorted to the western life of having only one or two children.

Agbo said he was not oblivious of the economic situation, especially in the face of global meltdown, but that he is more worried that it was even the affluent families of Ndigbo that have decided to have fewer children, appealing to the Ndigbo to increase their population since politics is all about number.

The Senator representing Ebonyi North senatorial district said, "among all the problems that have bedeviled the Igbo man, the greatest of them which I am seeing now is the danger of population."

this argument is extremely ignorant.
ndigbos dont practice polygamy at all, they also have more educated women in comparison to other tribes and are more likely to be middle class.

these would all slow birth rates and its a good thin

The creator of your beloved racist population agenda against people of color! Game Over

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it is a tragedy how media is misused...and very dangerous as well.

No that is nonsense.
Presently there are almost twice as much Nigerians as Ethiopians. The projection i know is that DR Congo replacing Ethiopia as the 2nd most populous country in Africa in twenty or so years.

interesting, where'd you hear about ethiopia passing nigeria?

No that is nonsense.
Presently there are almost twice as much Nigerians as Ethiopians. The projection i know is that DR Congo replacing Ethiopia as the 2nd most populous country in Africa in twenty or so years.

Based on projections, Ethiopia will surpass Nigeria, it currently has the second largest population in Africa and the second highest annual growth figure (currently tied with Congo).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_growth_rate

Based on projections, Ethiopia will surpass Nigeria, it currently has the second largest population in Africa and the second highest annual growth figure (currently tied with Congo).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_growth_rate

All of you guys are wrong

http://www.prb.org/ (Use an site that more accurate)

Nigeria (2009) = 152,616,000....... (2050) 285,134,000
Ethiopia = 82,825,000.......... (2050) 149,535,000
Congo, Dem. Rep. of = 68,693,000........ (2050) 189,311,000

Fastest Growing
Niger (2009) = 15,290,000........ (2050) 58,216,000 (thats 8 kids per mother)

Ultimately Congo will eventually will become the most populace but by that time NIGER will catch up

Not to forget these are lower predictions

All of you guys are wrong

http://www.prb.org/ (Use an site that more accurate)

Nigeria (2009) = 152,616,000....... (2050) 285,134,000
Ethiopia = 82,825,000.......... (2050) 149,535,000
Congo, Dem. Rep. of = 68,693,000........ (2050) 189,311,000

Fastest Growing
Niger (2009) = 15,290,000........ (2050) 58,216,000 (thats 8 kids per mother)

Ultimately Congo will eventually will become the most populace but by that time NIGER will catch up

Not to forget these are lower predictions

These numbers looks more believable.

This is a very good video with a lot of truth. A good example of the puppet of the west in Africa is Meles Zenawi of Ethiopia, a leader hated like hell in Ethiopia by >95% of the population but is still in power now for almost 19 years thanks to support he gets above all from the USA. Historians call his regime american proxy colonialism and the guy is so dependent on USA and co. to stay in power that he even licks the a*sses of his masters as the picture below shows where he betrayed Africa but was prevented from succeeding by people like Lumumba Di-Aping.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/12/16/1260987630710/COP15-Ethiopias-Prime-Min-003.jpg



Much of that video is ignorance.

I beleive starvation, drought,child mortality and other factors are things to observe when looking at those two countries of Niger and Ethiopia. A country like Niger can not take of more million people twice it has now.

However, I don't quite agree with those projections.

No that is nonsense.
Presently there are almost twice as much Nigerians as Ethiopians. The projection i know is that DR Congo replacing Ethiopia as the 2nd most populous country in Africa in twenty or so years.

No true. Ethiopia's population is 17 % Urban (not sure about how fast its growing), Rural 83%. (this is where most of the population gets it fast growth).

DRC 37% (and growing very fast). although the Rural population still still high (@ 63% and also growing fast).

But i don't see how DRC will surpass Ethiopia when both countries have same rate of population.

butembo, What were you looking for in a 2010 thread??..lol

LOL. did see the date. i got through when i was reading about Lago's BRT system.