(Okay, I usually do not like to make too many threads about race and ethnicity but South Africa is an interesting place and I am just curious.)

I already know the definition of a "Coloured" but what I want to know is would the following people be considered "Coloured"?

My question is, who is Considered "Coloured". Is it true that if you are 7/8 White and 1/8 Black or 7/8 Black and 1/8 White than you are considered Coloured?

What about if you are 3/4 Black and 1/4 White or 3/4 Black and 1/4 White? Will you be considered "Coloured"?

When people were to be classified into races during Apartheid, I know they measured hair texture but what about family ancestry?

*from an internet source

The Vibrant, Colourful, Coloured People

The "coloured people" is the official South African term for the country's mixed descent inhabitants. They are the third largest population group in the country and today number just over three million. The Coloureds (as they are commonly called) live primarily in the Western Cape. Subcultures exist within the broad grouping: Cape Coloureds, Griquas and Cape Malays.

The coloured community has diverse origins. The Dutch colonials began importing slaves from as early as 1658. They came from elsewhere in Africa and from some of the islands of the Indian and Atlantic oceans. It was inevitable that admixtures were to follow. The Khoikhoi, Xhosa and white man added their own progeny over the decades. The Cape Malay has Indian, Arab, Malagasy, Chinese and Malay blood. These people are held together by their religion. They live mostly in Cape Town. The Griquas, who have a strong sense of identity, live in the Northern Cape. They are descended from Khoikhoi and white ancestors who met 200 years ago.

Coloureds were traditionally fishermen, farm labourers and servants. Today, many still live on farms, as farm labourers and in rural settlements. However, a large number of this community has begun to take their rightful places in politics, commerce, industry, education and the arts. Coloured folklore and music has become an integral part of the cultural scene in South Africa

In general and in cultural terms, there is very little to distinguish the coloured people from South Africans of European origin. Formal race classification seem to be unjust. Some 87% of coloured people are Christian; they are mostly bilingual, although Afrikaans is their first language.

The coloured people were rather closely integrated into the Cape community. But in the 1950's they were removed from the voters' roll. Their residential areas became legally delineated in terms of the Group Areas Act.

New, soulless towns were built for the natural increase in population, such as Mitchell's Plain and the Cape Flats. In the 1970's the famed District Six, the heart of the coloured community in Cape Town was sadly demolished.
Today all suburbs are effectively multiracial, but the racial lines still remain
http://www.encounter.co.za/photos/25_1.jpg http://www.encounter.co.za/photos/25_2.jpg

also....
Cape Coloured People
Cape Coloured People are the mixed race population of various towns in Cape Province, SOUTH AFRICA. They are descendants of Dutch, British, and Kxoe people (various non-Bantu-speaking groups of southern Africa), as well as of slaves brought from MADAGASCAR and East Asia. Until the late 1950s, when apartheid* policies were adopted in South Africa, most of the Cape Coloured lived in cities such as CAPE TOWN or Port Elizabeth. During the 1970s, they were sent to undeveloped areas outside the towns and their homes were given to white families.

Most of their 2 million members belong to Dutch Protestant churches, but a small minority is Muslim. The Cape Coloured People speak a form of Dutch called Afrikaans, but they maintain a cultural identity separate from both whites and blacks. Politically, they have tended to support the white-led National Party rather than the black-led African National Congress.

(See also Apartheid.)
* apartheid policy of racial segregation in South Africa intended to maintain white control over the country's blacks, Asians, and people of mixed ancestry
Copyright © 2002 Charles Scribner's Sons

Meryl Cassie
http://i23.tinypic.com/2h87rz4.jpg

Jo-anne Strauss
http://www.luminon.com/images/500%20x%20500%20pixels/JoAnnStrauss.jpg

Amy Kleinhans
http://images.bidorbuy.co.za/user_images/165/1291165_090622154252_sunshine-Amy.jpg

Tansy Coetzee
http://www.dancewithshadows.com/pageants/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/tansey-coetzee-universe.jpg

http://www.entertainment-online.co.za/images/vicky_sampson1.jpg

Bryan Habana & Chester williams
http://www.ofm.co.za/images/ofmsport/27072009081051habana.jpg http://blogs.dispatch.co.za/cravenweek/files/2009/07/chester-williams.jpg

Herschelle Gibbs & JP Duminy
http://im.in.com/connect/images/profile/b_profile2/Herschelle_Gibbs_300.jpg http://www.topnews.in/files/J-P-duminy.jpg


Alan Boesak
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/02Iq3Vdadd03A/610x.jpg

Trevor manuel
http://www.urbansprout.co.za/files/images/trevor_manuel.jpg

Adam Small
http://www.oulitnet.co.za/newlitnet/images/album/adam_small.jpg

Marc Lottering
http://www.whowillvanish.com/cpg/albums/userpics/marc.jpg

http://www.mediaupdate.co.za/temp/12820.jpg

Oh, and ofcourse...
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/12/96698428_3a07f23d6e.jpg?v=0

our 3 coloured Idol winners

Jodie williams
http://www.jetstreaker.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/jody-williams.jpg

Sasha Lee Davids
http://mickeys.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/6margaltop1017.jpg

Karen Kortje
http://cdn.24.com/files/Cms/General/d/125/9693365acaa04c55b1beb014f262f9ab.jpg

other runners up
Brandon October
http://www.bookcelebs.co.za/pics/Music/Brandon.jpg

bianca le grange
http://www.besupreme.co.za/Photos/8.JPG

Uhm... I've always been under the impression that Trevor Manuel is a Porra...??

Herschelle Gibbs is coloured?????

Herschelle Gibbs is coloured?????

Ja he is a coloured.

But I know Trevor manuals Aunt, I use to work with her in Stellenbosch and she looks like a white lady. Ironicly enough, in the old apartheid day, she said she had to use the toilet outside where she worked, cause it was only for the white staff, yet she looked more european then all the other whites working there. LOKL, That was funny to hear.

Well, my understanding of coloured is that coloureds look like everybody on the globe. Some look asian, some look indian, like me, I look like an indian, but I am a coloured, some look white, some look black, some look like brazilain and the list goes on and on.

its kinda weird coloured are classified in their own category....over here in the states there is not llike coloured....we call it mix here but people of mix decent usually consider themselves black....and they dont usually have their own community, culture or date people who look like them.

In Zimbabwe they were initially from white settlers and black women but they later on separated from the women and forged their own identity and are classified as coloured. I dont know if the designation exists outside of Namibia,SA,Zimbabwe and Zambia though.

Herschelle Gibbs is coloured?????

With a name like "Herschelle"... are you serious??

Djirre... what else?? LOL :lol:

Herschelle Gibbs is coloured?????

asked myself the same thing :nuts:

http://www.dancewithshadows.com/pageants/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/tansey-coetzee-universe.jpg

I would violate this woman in a good way ...my goodness what a hottie!

Well, my understanding of coloured is that coloureds look like everybody on the globe. Some look asian, some look indian, like me, I look like an indian, but I am a coloured, some look white, some look black, some look like brazilain and the list goes on and on.

What kind of Brazilian are you talking about? Portuguese-Brazilian, Mixed Brazilian, Italian-Brazilian, German-Brazilian, Japanese-Brazilian, African-Brazilian, Native-Brazilian (Indians)...?

About the Coloureds, as far I know, they are not a product of Black and White relationships nowadays. That's a distinct ethnic group, formed at least 300 hundred years ago.

Tjoe so what is our new Miss SA? Tatum Keshwar? shes half Indian half white

http://www.sowetan.co.za/images/tatum.jpg

Tjoe so what is our new Miss SA? Tatum Keshwar? shes half Indian half white

A Hybrid:lol:

:) "hybrid" sounds cool for the new generation of mixed south africans!
Eventhough Tatum looks coloured, she is not. She does not have roots in the Western Cape and does not share the same culture. Yes, Bruinmense do infact have a distinct culture.

A Hybrid:lol:

hybrids are foken hot :drool:

Actually, Tatum has Indian and Coloured ancestry. Neither of her parents are white.

Coincidently, the last 2 Miss SA's have been of Indian/Coloured descent.

And for those of you really interested in this topic, a recent global genetics study showed that the SA Cape coloured community has the greatest genetic diversity in the world, outstripping countries with major mixed race populations like Brazil and the US. This is actually a good thing as the genetic theory "hybrid vigor" suggests that the more mixed / hybrid you are, the better overall genes you inherit, and the healthier and more robust you are. No wonder there are so many successful and beautiful coloured people in SA.

PS - the study also showed that modern humans probably originated in region of SA/Namibia (the San are widely considered to be the descendants of the original modern-day humans based on genetic and linguistic studies. In other words, ALL out ancestors, from wherever we come from in the world, looked very much like the San). Thus, when people from around the world visit SA, I see it more as them visiting / returning to their ancestral home. :)

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Africans found to have greatest genetic variation

2009/07/31

AFRICANS have more genetic variation than anyone else on earth, according to a new study that helps narrow the location where humans first evolved, probably near the South Africa-Namibia border.

The largest study of African genetics ever undertaken also found that nearly three-fourths of African-Americans could trace their ancestry to West Africa.

The new analysis was published in the online edition of the journal Science.

“Given the fact that modern humans arose in Africa, they have had time to accumulate dramatic changes” in their genes, explained lead researcher Sarah Tishkoff, a geneticist at the University of Pennsylvania.

People had been adapting to very diverse environmental niches in Africa, she explained in a briefing.

Over 10 years, Tishkoff and an international team of researchers trekked across Africa collecting samples to compare the genes of various peoples.

Often working in primitive conditions, the researchers sometimes had to resort to using a car battery to power their equipment, Tishkoff explained. The reason for their work? Very little was known about the genetic variation in Africans, knowledge that is vital to understanding why diseases have a greater impact in some groups than others and in designing ways to counter those illnesses.

Scott M Williams of Vanderbilt University noted that constructing patterns of disease variations could help determine which genes predispose a group to a particular illness.

This study “provides a critical piece in the puzzle”, he said.

For example, there are clear differences in the prevalence of diseases such as hypertension and prostate cancer across populations, Williams said.

“The human genome describes the complexity of our species,” added Muntaser Ibrahim of the department of molecular biology at the University of Khartoum, Sudan.

“Now we have spectacular insight into the history of the African population ... the oldest history of mankind.

“Everybody’s history is part of African history because everybody came out of Africa,” Ibrahim said.

Christopher Ehret of the department of history at the University of California, Los Angeles, compared genetic variation among people to variations in language.

There are an estimated 2000 distinct language groups in Africa broken into a few broad categories, often but not always following gene flow.

Movement of a language usually involved the arrival of new people, Ehret noted, bringing along their genes. But sometimes language was brought by a small “but advantaged” group which could impose their language without significant gene flow.

Overall, the researchers were able to study and compare the genetics of 121 African groups, 60 non-African populations and four African-American groups.

The so-called “Cape coloured” population of South Africa had the highest levels of mixed ancestry on the globe, a blend of African, European, East Asian and South Indian, Tishkoff said.

“This will be a great population for study of diseases” that were more common in one group than another, she said. — Sapa-AP

http://www.dispatch.co.za/article.aspx?id=333516

^^ On the genetics and origin on modern man...Yeah... People in America thought I was MAD... but it's true... told them the Garden of Eden was outside Krugersdorp. When you say you know where the Garden of Eden is in America and you state it's in SA a ways out of Johannesburg, they think you're Koekoes! :lol:

Well, earlier hominids were from near JHB.

But the oldest remains of modern day humans (homo sapien sapien) and the earliest known human habitation, have been found in the Border Caves, KZN (circa 150,000 years ago).

http://www.africaelephants.com/archaeology.htm

Earliest modern humans with modern social, linguistic and cognitive capabilities (circa 60,000-80,000 years ago, max) are the ancestors of the San, near the CAPRIVI stip (SA/Nambia border).

Some of the earliest known evidence of human culture are from Western Cape (shell necklaces etc, circa 75,000 years ago in Blombos Caves).

http://archaeology.about.com/cs/humanorigins/a/blombos.htm

Some of the earliest known paintings by humans (circa 10,000-12,000 years ago) - Drakensberg and other parts of SA, by the San. Of course, there may be / have been evidence of even older paintings but these haven't been discovered yet or has disinterated with time.

So basically, there is a lot of evidence that modern humans and human culture originated or was strong in SA prior to practically anywhere else on earth.

Thus, the next time you have an argument with an American (or anyone else) who argues that the Garden of Eden could not have been in SA, mention the above to him/her.

Coloured people sure look yummy :cheers:

Herschelle Gibbs is coloured?????
Yes! his family also stay in what is known to be a "coloured area"

Not all coloured people are of mixed race, there is a difference.

after five years of toture in varsity about homo sapiens australopethicus neanderthal blah blah blah...i still say thats a lot of scientific fraud.

and thats my opinion

^^ why do u still have one post

why are some people so obsessed with race and this and that....wtf is coloured...we all human beings...we take a shit, eat, fuck, watch sports, some weird people gay like some clowns on this forum u know who u are lol, drink alcohol, vomit, have seizure, have cancer, get infected with stds, smoke cigarettes, smoke weed, join gangs, die, sleep, drive, swim...wtf....what does an epidermis of a human being have to do with anything....some people need a life or they need to get one...ignorance is bliss!!!!!!

why do u still have one post

have no freakin idea

now u have 2 lmaoooo

skybar post's dont count

Actually, Tatum has Indian and Coloured ancestry. Neither of her parents are white.

Coincidently, the last 2 Miss SA's have been of Indian/Coloured descent.

Make a good combo IMO :naughty:

hybrids are foken hot

Coloured people sure look yummy

Make a good combo IMO

I'm glad we share the same sentiments...in dennis' words : i would violate hybrid women, in a good way!!!!! they are like the in thing right now

Actually, Tatum has Indian and Coloured ancestry. Neither of her parents are white.

Coincidently, the last 2 Miss SA's have been of Indian/Coloured descent.
oh, I thought Tatum was Indian...and white (according to Durbs). she's damn pretty nonetheless.
A coloured/Indian mix is quite interesting, since its almost as if these 2 groups live in differenet countries, having little contact. [Coloured=West; Indian=East]

I always had my doubts about this Miss SA 95, though she claimed to be a boernooi. There's surely some mix down the line.
http://www.berneleedaniell.co.za/images/bernelee2.jpg

Indians and Coloureds are most probably the coolest,only sane groups in SA so its not surprising they spawn quite nicely.Tatum's wiki says she is of Black African,white and Indian descent.

Ok.

So, who is Considered "Coloured"? Is it true that if you are 7/8 White and 1/8 Black or 7/8 Black and 1/8 White than you are considered Coloured?

What about if you are 3/4 Black and 1/4 White or 3/4 Black and 1/4 White? Will you be considered "Coloured"?

No, you'd be a fraction. Or mathematician. :lol:

No, you'd be a fraction. Or mathematician. :lol:

:lol:

Okay, maybe I should rephrase that.

Who is Considered "Coloured"? Is it true that if you are "White" and you have a black great-grandparent than you are considered "Coloured" and not white?

Is it true that if you are "Black" and you have a white great-grandparent than you are considered "Coloured" and not black?


Will you be considered "Coloured"?

^^ You're getting too scientific... if you look "caramelly", you're Coloured. If you look "vanilla" in SA, you're white. If you're chocolatey in SA, you're black. That simple. There has never been any way Coloureds are classified or have really classified themselves (in the new South Africa anyway). Many are also Afrikaans, another way they identify themselves.

Is Kandyse McClure Colored?

http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/roxy08-kandyse.jpg

oh, I thought Tatum was Indian...and white (according to Durbs). she's damn pretty nonetheless.
A coloured/Indian mix is quite interesting, since its almost as if these 2 groups live in differenet countries, having little contact. [Coloured=West; Indian=East]

I always had my doubts about this Miss SA 95, though she claimed to be a boernooi. There's surely some mix down the line.
http://www.berneleedaniell.co.za/images/bernelee2.jpg
that and her name...bernalee daniels.

Kandyse McClure again:

http://www.kandysemcclure.com/xnews/images/14.jpg

So, is she or isn't she?

I just found out that I have 2 coloured south africans people living on my block..I thought they were Trinada & Tobago cuz some of them are lighter..Lol their names are Blaine and Wassem..Is that common??

^^ You're getting too scientific... if you look "caramelly", you're Coloured. If you look "vanilla" in SA, you're white. If you're chocolatey in SA, you're black. That simple. There has never been any way Coloureds are classified or have really classified themselves (in the new South Africa anyway). Many are also Afrikaans, another way they identify themselves.
I love that! I hate people who divide people into scientific "races" (since races don't exist). More people need to realise that "white" and "black" are simply labels. :)

Take the brothers from Prison Break:

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2006/gallery/whowouldyoudate/wentworth_miller.jpg

Now, in the US the first guy is "mixed-race" whilst the second guy is "white." :nuts: Wtf is up with that?!? They both look white to me. :ohno:

well us south africans dont really see colour anymore so im my mind a coloured is a blue guy with green polka dots on him, ah and he has purple hair.

^^ You're getting too scientific... if you look "caramelly", you're Coloured. If you look "vanilla" in SA, you're white. If you're chocolatey in SA, you're black. That simple. There has never been any way Coloureds are classified or have really classified themselves (in the new South Africa anyway). Many are also Afrikaans, another way they identify themselves.

I recon our refugee from deepest darkest mobray loks coloured to me, anyone else think so cos if Micheal Scofield from prison break is "mixed" then our Brandon Cuntly must be too

I recon our refugee from deepest darkest mobray loks coloured to me, anyone else think so cos if Micheal Scofield from prison break is "mixed" then our Brandon Cuntly must be too
People can only go back so far in their family tree... it's perfectly possible that many white people have black ancestors (and vice versa) without knowing it. Which is why the "scientific" distinction of "mixed-race" is so ridiculous. It goes back to slavery and the one-drop rule. :ohno: It doesn't seem like they'll ever grow out of it...

Wentworth Miller (Michael Scofield):

“The people who knew me on campus and knew my background knew where I was coming from, but I think for most people I was just a name in the paper, and they probably assumed I was white.”

“I have had the experience of being caught between two different communities,” he says. “You are neither one thing nor the other, nor can you be accepted fully by either community, which means you’re kind of a lone ranger."

He calls himself "mixed-race" too.

Only in America... :ohno:

Our prime minister in Sweden is of partial black African descent.

http://erikraita.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/reinfeldt.jpg

Not like anyone here would refer to him as anything but white. :nuts: Not that we'd mention his colour of course, but when counting black or partially black people in parliament he wouldn't be mentioned. :lol:

Hey, just go visit Cape Town. From the minute you land at the currently chaotic CTIA, you will have your answer. you will find "cape colourds"

black..white...who cares..im just thankful i was not born pale...natural tans all the way

natural tans all the way

I wish, do you know how much it sucks going to the beach with super pale and very burnable skin.

^^ hear hear bout being pale. i do tan tho which is good.

I wish, do you know how much it sucks going to the beach with super pale and very burnable skin.

no :):banana:

there is only one race....the human race .......

no :):banana:

If im careful I can develop a tan over like a year but if I fuck it up once its back to the start, though to be fair it was far worse when i was younger as ive got older my skin has slowly adjusted

If im careful I can develop a tan over like a year but if I fuck it up once its back to the start, though to be fair it was far worse when i was younger as ive got older my skin has slowly adjusted

i always rub my arms the arms of some of my pale friends. they hope it will result in a pigment transfer. no success yet.

I recon our refugee from deepest darkest mobray loks coloured to me, anyone else think so cos if Micheal Scofield from prison break is "mixed" then our Brandon Cuntly must be too

100% right there Giles! :lol:


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Crime refugee is 'coloured'

September 09 2009 at 07:28AM

By Karyn Maughan and Craig McKune

A new study has revealed that Brandon Huntley, who has been granted asylum in Canada after claiming to have been attacked by blacks several times, is the new black. Or more precisely, the former Capetonian is the descendant of one Francina van der Kaap, a woman "of colour", and more than half of his relatives are similarly coloured - in the verbal sense.

This is according to social historian Patric Tariq Mellet who says he himself shares Huntley's colourful lineage.

"We are in fact a family with a proud tradition of being mixed. We are a Creole family."

'We are in fact a family with a proud tradition of being mixed'

Further, said Mellet, Huntley's cousin - and Mellet's half-sister's son - lives in common-law partnership with an African woman in Khayelitsha, and Huntley's uncle married across the colour line, as did his grandparent's siblings.

Writing on the Cape-Slavery- Heritage blog this week, Mellet said his maternal grandparents, William Huntley and Mary-Anne Haddon-Huntley, were Brandon's great-grandparents.

"I've verified this through death notices and through the Cape Town archives," he said.

"Over 50 percent of Brandon's relatives are people of colour in Cape Town and don't share his attitudes (on race)."

According to Mellet: "Brandon's great-great-grandmother, Francina, was a woman of colour, married to ... William Haddon, one of the first Englishmen to settle in the Xalanga district of the Transkei in the mid-'0s."

'I want a divorce. It's enough now'
Meanwhile, Melanie Crete- Huntley wants a divorce from her "racist" crime refugee husband - and then she wants to visit South Africa.

Speaking to Independent Newspapers yesterday, an emotional Crete-Huntley said she had been "overwhelmed" by the dozens of Facebook messages she received from South Africans urging her not to believe her estranged husband's claims about their country.

"People have been inviting me to visit and promising me that I would love South Africa and that no harm would come to me.

"The amazing kindness they have shown to me has really made me change my mind about South Africa.

"I am really sorry I believed all the racist stuff Brandon said about you guys," she said.

Crete-Huntley, who strongly suspects Huntley "suckered" her into marrying him to secure permanent residence in Canada, said she had planned to go to a lawyer yesterday.

"I want a divorce. It's enough now," she said.

She is also determined to get a full transcript of her husband's evidence to the Canadian Immigration and Refugee Board, which awarded him refugee status on the basis that he faced violent persecution from black South Africans.

Huntley told the board he had left Crete-Huntley because she was "not a nice woman" - a claim she said is simply not true.

In his evidence, Huntley also claimed he had been violently attacked by black men on numerous occasions but never reported the attacks because he did not trust the police.

He also said his family in South Africa had to hire security guards if they wanted to drive around at night.

"My husband told me that, as a woman, I would have to run red lights when I was driving to avoid being hijacked," Crete-Huntley said.

Now, she says, she wonders if her husband's claims were "blown out of proportion".

"Brandon said bad things about me but I am just one person ... South Africa is 40 million people ... who have been damaged by his racist remarks. I'm really sorry about that."

Crete-Huntley said she hoped she would be able to visit South Africa in the near future.

"If I ever manage to raise the money, I would definitely visit," she said.

She pauses. "I think rugby's a really good sport.

"I even bought an extra channel so I could watch it."


This article was originally published on page 1 of Pretoria News on September 09, 2009


http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20090909040315704C586974

I knew it, but does this make the story easier to accept or worse?

First time i hear of a coloured who is "running away" ha and he still allegedly got robbed 7 times?, they must check his teeth, or how he eats a gatsby/ fish and chips - that does not sound very "cape coloured" to me, but ok, its a new South Africa