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August 23rd, 2009, 11:03 PM
And our pride and joy...
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View Full Version : #Cape Town Stadium - 55 000 Seats - Green Point, Cape Town | Complete [Part 5] annman August 23rd, 2009, 11:03 PM And our pride and joy... dysan1 August 23rd, 2009, 11:21 PM Please do not create duplicate threads. Please use the existing threads which can be found in the general south africa folder. Please! DennisRodman97 August 23rd, 2009, 11:26 PM Mike its time for a new part to the green point stadium just close the old one and make this whatever part is next..... DennisRodman97 August 23rd, 2009, 11:50 PM time for part 5!!! AlehTrumpet August 24th, 2009, 04:13 AM Second Thread :S... Mo Rush August 24th, 2009, 05:12 AM Find the stadium From Le Shann (http://www.flickr.com/photos/leshann/) http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2605/3841411497_8056e44d15_b.jpg DennisRodman97 August 24th, 2009, 06:31 AM ^^ somewhere over those hills Durbsboi August 24th, 2009, 09:45 AM ^^:doh: Lydon August 24th, 2009, 02:03 PM ^^ amen. Andrew_za August 24th, 2009, 02:41 PM wait, is this the new GPS thread? what about the old one? Lydon August 24th, 2009, 03:42 PM The old one will probably be closed, this one renamed as the new one and moved to the 2010 section with the other stadium threads. briker August 25th, 2009, 01:10 PM no need for a new one. we'll lose track of the progress. The thing is almost complete in any case. Lydon August 25th, 2009, 03:34 PM ^^ How? We're already on thread 4 lol. Having the summary at the beginning of a new thread of all the progress so far seems far easier than digging through countless pages as one currently needs to. Cape Town Guy August 25th, 2009, 03:58 PM and I would assume we'd like to post pics and updates during and after the WC to note how these stadia are going... Mo Rush August 27th, 2009, 09:06 PM Hooligans will hear, but not see matches Two police cells capable of holding eight soccer hooligans each have been built at the Green Point 2010 World Cup Stadium as part of the tough security measures being put in place to curb bad behaviour during matches. Hooliganism at soccer stadiums will not be tolerated and those who misbehave will be locked up, warned the SA Football Association WP president Vernon Seymour. "It sends out a clear message that when you set foot in this stadium you must behave yourself," Seymour told the Weekend Argus. He was referring to the incident last week when Kaizer Chiefs fans went on the rampage at Newlands Stadium in a soccer game against home team Ajax. Chaos erupted during the MTN8 semi-final. Chiefs have been slapped with a R500 000 fine. An amount of R350 000 has to be paid immediately and R150 000 has been suspended. About 500 seats were damaged on the grandstand and unruly fans also threw bottles and vuvuzelas on to the field. One of the city's 2010 directors, Dave Hugo, said the two holding cells could contain about eight people each. "They will hold culprits temporarily until they are taken to a police station." Deputy Police Commissioner Andre Pruis has indicated that as part of security measures all host cities would have a dedicated police station with separate holding cells, a courtroom for speedy judgments and a Home Affairs office for possible speedy deportations. The Safety at Sports and Recreational Events Bill is also aimed at improving security at stadiums. Supporters could face a fine or imprisonment if they engage in delinquent and anti-social behaviour inside a stadium venue, or along a route to it - including engaging in racist, vulgar, inflammatory, intimidating, or obscene language or behaviour. After a meeting with Ajax management yesterday, the CEO of the Premier Soccer League, Kjetil Siem, described the actions of Kaizer Chiefs supporters as "disgraceful" and said he believed the incident would serve as a wake-up call to the possibility of hooliganism during the World Cup. He said: "With security under the spotlight, the PSL will assist not only Ajax Cape Town, but all our clubs with security planning and deployment around Category A matches. We have already decided to deploy 100 PSL security guards to Cape Town on October 4 when Ajax Cape Town host Kaizer Chiefs in an Absa Premiership clash at Newlands." He said they would make provision in their budget for further training in security matters in line with World Cup standards, regular workshops on security and a security manual being developed for clubs and the PSL. Ajax Cape Town said it would look at increasing security and putting a more stringent management plan in place when hosting games at home after Kaizer Chiefs fans went on the rampage. The WP Rugby Union has also said that the PSL would be denied games if they did not put proper management strategies in place. WP Rugby spokesman Gavin Lewis said the repairs to Newlands Stadium were completed earlier this week and the stadium was now "100 percent". On Wednesday night Santos played Bloemfontein Celtic at the stadium. Lewis said they maintained a "very good" relationship with Cape Town clubs Santos and Ajax. "All the repairs are completed and Wednesday's match went perfectly. We still maintain a good relationship with the clubs and we are ready for three rugby matches today." Asked whether they were concerned about hosting Chiefs, who attract the biggest crowds with a reputation for unruliness, Lewis said: "Our agreement with clubs and organisations is only that we lease the venue. The management is up to them, subject to a proper management plan. In future we would want to address it for bigger matches". Ajax spokesman Mark Meyer said they had still not received the bill for damages so he did not know how much they had to pay. He said the PSL was responsible for last Saturday's management plan and Ajax had been asked by the PSL which security company they used. They recommended ADT, who worked alongside traffic and police officials as a joint operations team. Ajax face Chiefs in October, again in the Absa Premiership. "We will go ahead according to the plan on paper. We have always submitted management plans when security is our responsibility. We have used ADT for the past 10 years and we have faith in their service. Our plan includes how much security and where they will be situated. When there is an incident, however, it is up to the Joint Operation Centre (JOC), police and traffic included, and they make the call on how a situation will be handled," Meyer said. Meyer said they were confident their management plan was sufficient to deal with huge crowds. "However, if a man is going to pull a chair from the concrete stand, it's going to take a while to get to him. But we feel our security plan is sufficient with the JOC. We don't condone this kind of behaviour and we will pay what we need to," Meyer said. This article was originally published on page 5 of The Cape Argus (http://www.capeargus.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=5134542) on August 22, 2009 DennisRodman97 August 28th, 2009, 06:43 AM ^^ plz post in the security and crime thread Mo.... Mo Rush August 28th, 2009, 01:56 PM http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3521/3864739602_6e8caf35d7_b.jpg http://farm1.static.flickr.com/176/buddyicons/17824737@N00.jpg?1170248962#17824737@N00 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/6000/) Uploaded on August 28, 2009 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/6000/archives/date-posted/2009/08/28/) by Ballacorkish (http://www.flickr.com/photos/6000/) Mo Rush August 28th, 2009, 03:39 PM You have to see this! Zoom in on the stadium and CBD. I mean REALLY zoom in!! You can even see Crystal Towers under construction! Work on the BRT through Culemborg! http://virtualafrica.co.za/welcome-to-virtual-africa/cape-town-gigapan/ Mo Rush August 28th, 2009, 05:53 PM Pitch preparation 85% complete DennisRodman97 August 28th, 2009, 05:56 PM big mo are u a muslim? african biohazard August 28th, 2009, 11:08 PM Dennis, no he's just on hunger strike to force CT officials to get off their asses and sort out the IRT mess Mo Rush August 28th, 2009, 11:45 PM Fortunately they have sorted it out. They now have a IRT head which also heads the city's 2010 preparations. Mo Rush August 29th, 2009, 12:01 AM Re pitch preparation. http://web11.twitpic.com/img/26154119-97688879af30a0f39701d0858de6235b.4a985369-full.jpg DennisRodman97 August 29th, 2009, 12:41 AM lol okay dysan1 August 30th, 2009, 02:02 PM The cells hold 8 holigans? smallish... Foxyman August 31st, 2009, 09:16 AM Update from City website http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/Pages/Stadiumconstructioncranestocomedownsoon.aspx The numerous construction cranes towering over the Green Point Stadium construction site that have become a familiar sight over the last two-and-a-half years, will soon be coming down as the stadium nears completion. At the height of construction there were 21 tower cranes and 15 mobile cranes dotted around the stadium as builders worked day and night to keep to the tight construction deadline. Some of the cranes were up to 80 metres above the ground. There are now only seven tower cranes surrounding the stadium, as all the major concrete work has been finished, and the roof is nearly complete. Construction of the exterior facade of the stadium and the finishes is currently underway - including seating, lighting, cabling, VIP suites, external cladding, and media and IT facilities. The remaining cranes will be coming down between the end of August and mid-September, says project director Andrew Fanton of the joint venture contractors, Murray & Roberts/WBHO. "The cranes had become quite a feature in Green Point, but in their place we've put a brand-new stadium," he said. The crane operators – including the country's only female crane operator, Zoliswa Gila, who was chosen to present President Jacob Zuma with a pair of gold-coloured soccer boots when he visited the stadium for the one-year countdown to the 2010 FIFA World Cup™ – will all be "remobilised to other projects," Fanton said. But while the cranes may be coming down soon, there are still 1 800 workers on the construction site according to Fanton. This will be steadily reduced as work is completed. Over 2 500 workers have been employed on the project. As contractors and equipment gradually move off site, space around the stadium is being freed up to allow for paving and landscaping. Construction on the 68 000 seat stadium started in March 2007, and is on track for handover to the City of Cape Town on December 14, 2009. "We are on track to complete the roof as per our schedule, and we are targeting to finish everything else by the 14 December handover," Fanton said. Martin Pollack 2009/08/24 Mo Rush August 31st, 2009, 10:02 AM always the positive comment. Mo Rush August 31st, 2009, 01:44 PM http://www.slingsby.za.net/ http://www.slingsby.za.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/DSC03658.JPG http://www.slingsby.za.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/DSC036151.JPGhttp://www.slingsby.za.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/DSC03617.JPGhttp://www.slingsby.za.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/DSC03622.JPGhttp://www.slingsby.za.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/DSC03621.JPGhttp://www.slingsby.za.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/DSC03620.JPGhttp://www.slingsby.za.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/DSC03619.JPGhttp://www.slingsby.za.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/DSC03623.JPGhttp://www.slingsby.za.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/DSC03626.JPGhttp://www.slingsby.za.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/DSC03631.JPGhttp://www.slingsby.za.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/DSC03635.JPGhttp://www.slingsby.za.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/DSC03652.JPGhttp://www.slingsby.za.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/DSC03649.JPGhttp://www.slingsby.za.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/DSC03640.JPGhttp://www.slingsby.za.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/DSC03638.JPGhttp://www.slingsby.za.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/DSC03653.JPG Lydon August 31st, 2009, 02:18 PM It's scary how it's suddenly all coming together so quickly. Mo Rush August 31st, 2009, 02:24 PM Our R6.5 million website has been updated with more pics!! http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/gallery/Pages/StadiumConstructionProgress35.aspx Page 35 (Click on image to view larger version) http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/gallery/PublishingImages/Stadium%20construction/GP_28_Aug_09_a%20copy.gif (http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/gallery/PublishingImages/Stadium%20construction/GP_28_Aug_09_a.jpg) http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/gallery/PublishingImages/Stadium%20construction/GP_28_Aug_09_b%20copy.gif (http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/gallery/PublishingImages/Stadium%20construction/GP_28_Aug_09_b.jpg) http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/gallery/PublishingImages/Stadium%20construction/GP_26_Aug_09_a%20copy.gif (http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/gallery/PublishingImages/Stadium%20construction/GP_26_Aug_09_a.jpg) http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/gallery/PublishingImages/Stadium%20construction/GP_26_Aug_09_b%20copy.gif (http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/gallery/PublishingImages/Stadium%20construction/GP_26_Aug_09_b.jpg) http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/gallery/PublishingImages/Stadium%20construction/GP_26_Aug_09_c%20copy.gif (http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/gallery/PublishingImages/Stadium%20construction/GP_26_Aug_09_c.jpg) http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/gallery/PublishingImages/Stadium%20construction/GP_26_Aug_09_d%20copy.gif (http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/gallery/PublishingImages/Stadium%20construction/GP_26_Aug_09_d.jpg) Lutzno August 31st, 2009, 03:11 PM This is going to sound extremely picky, but... what were they thinking with those staircase handrails! i thought they were going for elegant! not big, bulky, and ugly! Mo Rush August 31st, 2009, 03:30 PM This happens when two different teams are working on the stadium Jakupa, Munnik Visser, Comie Wilkinson are in charge of the podium and beyond GMP, Louis Karol are in charge of the stadium Lutzno August 31st, 2009, 03:57 PM youd think they would collaborate with each other. seems otherwise :( Mo Rush August 31st, 2009, 04:00 PM youd think they would collaborate with each other. seems otherwise :( im sure they have, maybe they just trying to keep the spaces required for mass public use very durable and basic while the frills and spills are inside the stadium spaces. Andrew_za August 31st, 2009, 04:24 PM Great find :) looking at these pictures makes me want to go visit tomorrow! but thats not happening for a while :( Mo, or anyone else, when are you going to visit? Stadium will look great once the roof is complete and lighting is fitted. Looking forward to the cladding being done too :) kilps August 31st, 2009, 04:40 PM Our R6.5 million website has been updated with more pics!! I thought it was the Durban website which cost that much? Mo Rush August 31st, 2009, 04:52 PM I thought it was the Durban website which cost that much? sarcasm DennisRodman97 August 31st, 2009, 05:05 PM one of the best looking stadiums in the world!!! Mo Rush September 1st, 2009, 02:48 PM Green Point stadium (after the public participation process) will be known as Cape Town Stadium - It has full support of the name from the operator. - It is a strong brand - It will gain exposure during 2010 - It will allow sponsorship rights to be sold on various tiers rather than creating potential conflicts e.g. no vodocam challenge at the stadium if its called MTN stadium - No conflicts during major events I will personally put forward the name The "Cape Town International Stadium" Mo Rush September 1st, 2009, 03:01 PM The name Green Point Stadium was always a "working title" given to the new stadium currently under construction. It is not an official name and merely refers to the location of the stadium on the Green Point Common. It is necessary to give the stadium a conscious and formal name that would build awareness and enable the City to maximize any potential marketing value and benefits. Other stadiums in South Africa have either commercial, cultural names or heritage names. Stadiums selling the commercial rights to their stadiums then have the name of the company included in the venue name. Commercial rights could either be sold outright to a single advertising company or a generic or neutral name can be retained. The latter option enables the owner and operator of the stadium to sell sponsorship rights to several commercialpartners, each paying for those rights in relation to the marketing and exposure benefits they receive. This report motivates for the name "Cape Town Stadium" to be formally adopted for the stadium at Green Point. "Cape Town" is an internationally known brand name used by several agencies, organizations and companies e.g. Cape Town Tourism, Cape Town Routes Unlimited, and Cape Town International Convention Centre. This name offers the most brand value or equity together with flexibility in selling commercial rights for optimal financial and marketing benefits for the City. It is proposed to advertise the proposed name of CAPE TOWN STADIUM in local media and to invite residents and interested parties to either support the proposed name or suggest and motivate an alternative. The feedback and final report will be submitted to Council. Lutzno September 1st, 2009, 04:26 PM i couldnt be more against changing the name. really really opposed to it. Mo Rush September 1st, 2009, 04:28 PM well they have two options 1. naming it after a sponsor i.e. 1 sponsor e.g. MTN Stadium OR 2. neutral stadium name to attract multiple sponsors e.g. Cape Town Stadium either way Green Point Stadium was never going to remain Lutzno September 1st, 2009, 04:38 PM it always did before, and now its become part of cape town heritage and history. why not just change table mountain to coca-cola mountain. its a good way to get sponsors... Mo Rush September 1st, 2009, 05:09 PM they are naming the new stadium, not the old stadium which is not half demolished. i prefer cape town stadium to MTN or pick n pay or coca-cola stadium. Andrew_za September 1st, 2009, 05:11 PM Whatever the name is, Im sure most people will forever call it Green Point stadium. Its like Newlands Stadium (both Cricket and Rugby) their official names have often changed due to the naming rights process, but what do the people call it, Newlands Stadium, and i think the same will apply here, thus Green Point Stadium. I do suppose on an international scale, Cape Town Stadium sounds "better" but for many, it will forever be Green Point Stadium, GPS. If they want to name it after a sponsor, there needs to be terms & conditions, I would hate to see huge yellow MTN signage all over the stadium Mo Rush September 1st, 2009, 05:19 PM well fortunately they arent naming it after a sponsor but still getting the benefits of various sponsors e.g. mtn signs around the video screen or vodacom signage around the media centre which is better than Vodacom stadium or MTN stadium Andrew_za September 1st, 2009, 05:27 PM Thinking of all these sponsors names as the potential name of this stadium is a disaster. Best that its just "Cape Town Stadium" I still prefer Green Point, but I'd take CTS any day over something like the MTN stadium. GPS/CTS is classic, elegant; facade & seating colour reminds me of the "less is more concept" thus its name should too embody this. The name Cape Town Stadium is fitting for this venue. Mo Rush September 1st, 2009, 07:09 PM how about all of us send in "cape town international stadium". im sure only like 20 people will respond to the public participation process. so if 10 of us choose the same name....we win!! haha ChilenoFutbol September 1st, 2009, 07:14 PM how about all of us send in "cape town international stadium". im sure only like 20 people will respond to the public participation process. so if 10 of us choose the same name....we win!! haha 11 actually.lol. but anyway got this from the international thread "The Mist" would be pretty fitting :lol:. They couldve been a bit more creative with the name DennisRodman97 September 1st, 2009, 08:09 PM cape town stadium is better than cape town international stadium....the stadium is not an airport! Mo Rush September 1st, 2009, 08:43 PM sydney international stadium cape town international convention centre international is often used Lutzno September 1st, 2009, 09:28 PM Stade de Kaapstad :) DennisRodman97 September 1st, 2009, 09:30 PM ^^ i like that one Mo Rush September 1st, 2009, 09:58 PM View from Cape Royale http://posterous.com/getfile/files.posterous.com/carlafourie/KYH3Rip9TQFtuHlz6pA31RlvAJtYgJRL9U5zAru1xrvM7GX3j6HLUKaVU0km/26082009675.jpg.scaled.1000.jpg herb21 September 1st, 2009, 10:25 PM Mo i dont really like the international part, it sounds pretentious rather than secure, but I think that having cape town in the name works well, "The Mist" would be amazing. Though I dont get how GPS is less neutral than CTS sponsership wise? EDIT sorry mo only saw your post on the last page now Andrew_za September 1st, 2009, 11:09 PM I have not seen this on any of the renders, so i question; where will the name of the stadium be displayed? If on the front of the stadium (facing the main road) how will they do it? surely they wont be able to hang a sign (similar to the convention centre) saying CTS on the facade? I know its a dumb question, but at the moment, i cant think of the answer. herb21 September 1st, 2009, 11:43 PM They could be all chic like and have it in letters about the size of a postage stamp or do something modern and have a giant lowercase statue of the name situated on the promanade in blue or black Marsupalami September 2nd, 2009, 12:26 AM I like that idea Herb. Keep the facade natural and uncluttered, and engrave with black print the name on a free standing block or maybe wrapped around a globe like at Universal Studios lol rulani September 2nd, 2009, 01:38 AM I hate it when people still call soccercity as FNB stadium. which is why i prefer the name Capetown stadium. Greenpoint is more appealing to me though. DennisRodman97 September 2nd, 2009, 02:17 AM if it aint broke why are u trying to fix it??? whats wrong with greenpoint....its not a sponsorship name or anything....fifa is always trippin rulani September 2nd, 2009, 02:29 AM Correct Dennis. i just dont see the point of destroying the Greenpoint name. Diggerdog September 2nd, 2009, 03:52 AM Well, if it must change, Cape Town Stadium is ok - leave the international out of it. I suppose for the rest of the world, greepoint stadium would mean little, but CTS would tell them where it is, and also sound a bit more heavyweight. Locals can and probably will always call in Greenpoint - win win. Andrew_za September 2nd, 2009, 07:20 AM I have not seen this on any of the renders, so i question; where will the name of the stadium be displayed? If on the front of the stadium (facing the main road) how will they do it? surely they wont be able to hang a sign (similar to the convention centre) saying CTS on the facade? I know its a dumb question, but at the moment, i cant think of the answer. I like the way soccer city's doing it. Maybe they will do it the same way as the allianz arena? Durbsboi September 2nd, 2009, 10:42 AM Cape Town stadium does make more sense. Lydon September 2nd, 2009, 02:02 PM Something doesn't feel right about Cape Town Stadium...but it's better than a sponsor's name. I quite like Greenpoint Stadium. Stade de Cape or something would have sounded nicer, but hey. Enigma_za September 2nd, 2009, 02:29 PM Kaap -stad ???? Lutzno September 2nd, 2009, 04:04 PM 90% - WBHO ZATUGA September 2nd, 2009, 05:16 PM KAAPSTADium Samacado September 2nd, 2009, 07:50 PM How about Table Mountain Stadium? Andrew_za September 2nd, 2009, 07:52 PM hell no... If the name has to change, let it be Cape Town Stadium, at first it sounds crap, but it fits. Leave out the international part, and certainly keep the name in english. cthighflyer September 2nd, 2009, 07:53 PM How about Table Mountain Stadium? or Waterfront Stadium rulani September 2nd, 2009, 08:03 PM The name change is very unnecessary here. Mo Rush September 2nd, 2009, 08:36 PM The name change is very unnecessary here. Well as I've said before, the name was going to change anyway. Only difference is that instead of a MTN stadium or Coke stadium they prefer Cape Town stadium to maximize sponsorship revenues. Sale of naming rights for the new stadium & urban park and for the appointment of an operator The Cape Town City Council is constructing a magnificent new sports stadium in Green Point, which is in the heart of the city’s tourism hub. This modern stadium, set against the unique scenic backdrop of Table Mountain, Signal Hill and Lion’s Head, is located adjacent to the highly successful Victoria and Alfred Waterfront development and has views across Table Bay to Robben Island and beyond. The stadium and its immediate precinct are part of a much larger recreational lung in the city central area known as the Green Point Common, which currently provides facilities for athletics, cricket, football, hockey, golf and tennis as well as being available to the public at large for unrestricted recreational purposes. There has been a popular informal trading market held regularly on the Common every Sunday and on Public Holidays for many years. The stadium is being financed jointly by the National and Provincial governments together with the City Council as part of South Africa’s Host Country obligations to provide major venues for the 2010 FIFA World Cup™. The new stadium is designed to meet the stringent standards set by FIFA as a venue to host one of the two semi-final matches for this prestigious event as well as eight other World Cup matches, and is an iconic symbol of the pride that the city’s citizens feel in being selected as one of the Host Cities. Proposals are now being invited from suitably experienced and well-resourced organisations to be the contracted Operator of both the stadium and an urban park that is being designed to occupy a significant portion of the adjacent Common land. The Operator will perform under a full maintenance basis for this important addition to Cape Town’s sporting, recreational and tourism infrastructure. The period of contractual commitment required is not less than 10 (ten) and not more than 30 (thirty) years. Tenders are also invited for the sale of the Naming Rights to the Stadium for a period of not less than 10 (ten) and not more than 15 (fifteen) years. Download full document here (http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/news/Documents/stadium_naming_rights_tender.pdf) Martin pollack Andrew_za September 2nd, 2009, 09:28 PM Nice to see that they are working on the facade at night too. DennisRodman97 September 2nd, 2009, 11:22 PM south africans always argueing about name change....if its not a city its an airport now its a stadium lol rulani September 3rd, 2009, 01:49 AM Lol Dennis Mo Rush September 3rd, 2009, 01:52 AM you see now im all "information free for all...world peace"...but Joanne would it be so hard for you to post your pics here. the name change of green point, is NOT yet public information, and i dont mind AT ALL that its mentioned at your blog, but is there a chance that you could post your AMAZING pics here, so that we ALL share, rather than keeping them at your blog. or can I post them here with full references? Mo Rush September 3rd, 2009, 01:57 AM FACADE FRAMES have MET! Work on all 72 columns underway! see Joannes blog http://greenpointstadium-and-capetown.blogspot.com/ rulani September 3rd, 2009, 02:04 AM Wish everyone was like you Mo. Reggae Boyz Ja September 3rd, 2009, 07:28 AM Post the pix here dammit, I can't keep opening up so many tabs it makes my computer slow.. SharksBoy September 3rd, 2009, 08:05 AM lol Reggae! that Joanne copyright anyway MoRush, is Facade skeleton done yet? hoodedvillain September 3rd, 2009, 11:32 AM Wow, I finally found the new thread. Mission! Wish the old one had never been closed down :( Leftfoot September 3rd, 2009, 12:07 PM Post the pix here dammit, I can't keep opening up so many tabs it makes my computer slow.. Lol dude! That Joanne chic with step on yer balls if those pics were posted here! I must say we used to embrace Joannes pics here.....now we run in fear of copyright infringment being waved in our collective faces. Nice pics Joanne!:) ...yeah also didnt realise there was another thread for GP...was wondering why my GP bookmark had not been updated in 2 weeks! Eish guys, need to post an advisory that a new thread is being created...please?! Lydon September 3rd, 2009, 02:00 PM Wow, I finally found the new thread. Mission! Wish the old one had never been closed down :( I really don't understand why people are struggling to find it? Click on Middle East & Africa, then South Africa, then 2010 FIFA World Cup Developments. It's all categorised really logically. Juanl September 3rd, 2009, 02:03 PM the new thread system is bulldust... feels like nothing's happening. Mo Rush September 3rd, 2009, 02:26 PM http://www.iol.co.za/images/logo.gif New name mooted for Green Point stadium By Ella Smook The Cape Town City Council has opted to go the straight and simple route in naming its World Cup stadium and, if the public agrees, the Green Point Stadium will be called Cape Town Stadium. But whether the name will also be translated to Kaapstad Stadion and iBala lase Kapa, is sure to be the subject of debate. On Wednesday the mayoral committee approved the naming of the stadium going for public consultation after agreeing that "Cape Town" would offer the most brand value, together with flexibility in selling commercial rights for optimal financial and marketing benefits for the city. It was noted that the stadium operator, Sail/Stade de France, which is likely to operate the stadium after 2010 for a 30-year lease period, also "strongly" agreed with the proposed naming and believed that it would help maximise sustainability. The report submitted to Mayco stated that Green Point Stadium had only been a "working title" given to the stadium while under construction and it had become necessary to give the stadium a "conscious" and formal name that would build awareness and enable the city to maximise any potential marketing value and benefits. Other stadiums in South Africa have either geographically linked, commercial, cultural or heritage names. It was noted that a cultural, heritage or personality name would restrict the selling of commercial rights. This article was originally published on page 1 of The Cape Argus (http://www.capeargus.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=5150510) on September 03, 2009 http://www.iol.co.za/data/mastheads/mast_1.gif (http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=22&click_id=1906) Published on the Web by IOL on 2009-09-03 11:43:00 © Independent Online 2005. All rights reserved. IOL publishes this article in good faith but is not liable for any loss or damage caused by reliance on the information it contains. http://secure-za.imrworldwide.com/cgi-bin/m?rnd=1251980653249&ci=za-independent&cg=0&cc=0&sr=1024x768&cd=32&lg=en-US&je=y&ck=y&tz=2&fl=10&si=http%3A//www.iol.co.za/general/news/newsprint.php%3Fart_id%3Dvn20090903114350722C510461%26sf%3D&rp=http%3A//www.iol.co.za/index.php%3Fset_id%3D1%26click_id%3D124%26art_id%3Dvn20090903114350722C510461 http://www.skyscrapercity.com//secure-za.imrworldwide.com/cgi-bin/m?ci=za-independent&cg=0 passionate saffer September 3rd, 2009, 03:41 PM give it a nice xhosa name. if they dont i will be mad Marsupalami September 3rd, 2009, 05:14 PM iKapa Stadium ? ...either that or Hoeri Kwaggo Stadium lol ( San word for Table Mountain I think ) The E.N.D September 3rd, 2009, 05:23 PM Stade de KaapstadI like that too + the entertainment value when the ANCYL loses its shit over it is an added bonus. The E.N.D September 3rd, 2009, 05:26 PM From http://twitpic.com/photos/2010oc http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu258/Onkez/Greenpointstadium.jpg Lydon September 3rd, 2009, 06:10 PM Oh please no, not a Xhosa name. The attempted pronunciation by foreigners will drive me nuts :nuts: Mo Rush September 3rd, 2009, 06:10 PM From http://twitpic.com/photos/2010oc http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu258/Onkez/Greenpointstadium.jpg http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/gallery/Pages/StadiumConstructionProgress35.aspx Mo Rush September 3rd, 2009, 06:16 PM http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/gallery/PublishingImages/Stadium%20construction/GP_02_Sep_09_d.jpghttp://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/gallery/PublishingImages/Stadium%20construction/GP_02_Sep_09_g.jpghttp://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/gallery/PublishingImages/Stadium%20construction/GP_02_Sep_09_l.jpghttp://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/gallery/PublishingImages/Stadium%20construction/GP_02_Sep_09_e.jpghttp://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/gallery/PublishingImages/Stadium%20construction/GP_02_Sep_09_p.jpghttp://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/gallery/PublishingImages/Stadium%20construction/GP_02_Sep_09_a.jpghttp://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/gallery/PublishingImages/Stadium%20construction/GP_02_Sep_09_c.jpg The E.N.D September 3rd, 2009, 06:20 PM ^^Awesomeness. annman September 3rd, 2009, 07:26 PM ^^ Xhosa name in Cape Town won't work. My "Tjy, My Broe" mates will "knife" the sign! I can hear them, "Tjou ma, man... dissie Kaap my broe, nie die blêrrie Transkei!" :lol: City of Cape Town is thinking, simply: Cape Town Stadium Kaapstad Stadion iBala lase Kapa Happy with that. Accommodates all the mother tongue speakers locally. DennisRodman97 September 3rd, 2009, 08:32 PM joanne is an a$$hole SharksBoy September 3rd, 2009, 09:31 PM ^^ well the image dont show. next time please link to her page/blog. DennisRodman97 September 3rd, 2009, 10:45 PM Mo is a legend for taking his time to look for pix to satisfy our appetite....unlike some people rulani September 4th, 2009, 01:27 AM ^^Awesomeness. To the end!!! Durbsboi September 4th, 2009, 09:13 AM damn those pics are hot Durban_SA September 4th, 2009, 10:10 AM Nice picture update. Mo Rush September 4th, 2009, 12:14 PM http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2555/3885678424_baae74066d_b.jpg Andrew_za September 4th, 2009, 06:43 PM CCT always gives good updates :) Honestly, there is no way this stadium's official name would ever be in Xhosa or any other language but either English or Afrikaans; thats just the way things are. Cape Town stadium is suitable -if the name must be changed, as it has an Afrikaans and Xhosa translation to it. Annman glad you know what some of the responses would be from the people. Mo Rush September 4th, 2009, 08:05 PM http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3141/3886524067_190cdd62a3_b.jpghttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2621/3887334680_2a04984114_b.jpghttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3460/3886504415_92e20db3da_b.jpghttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3460/3886504415_92e20db3da_b.jpgIt really is a timeless design. The facade membrane will really give it shell like effect. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2676/3886544265_dc1e07eda9_b.jpg Sand-Shark September 4th, 2009, 08:33 PM Still hoping it comes to look more like the render. Missing a bit of the SC and MM wow-factor... DennisRodman97 September 4th, 2009, 09:05 PM looks sorta like the bird's nest facade DennisRodman97 September 4th, 2009, 09:08 PM Yo big Mo do u know what the layout of the pitch will be like....will it be horizontal or vertical...or even parallel looking at the emirates stadiums pitch http://ngepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/emirates-stadium.jpg which is vertical.. Inertia September 4th, 2009, 09:25 PM Depends which way you look at it... Reggae Boyz Ja September 4th, 2009, 09:36 PM i don't understand the facade couldn't u just go through it?? annman September 4th, 2009, 09:39 PM CCT always gives good updates :) Honestly, there is no way this stadium's official name would ever be in Xhosa or any other language but either English or Afrikaans; thats just the way things are. Cape Town stadium is suitable -if the name must be changed, as it has an Afrikaans and Xhosa translation to it. Annman glad you know what some of the responses would be from the people. Like it or not, Cape Town belongs to the Coloured people. But that's what makes SA so cool... A story of three cities, one "Tjy", one "Currivaceous" and one "Eish!" SA is a mish-mash of culture and languages, what works in Cape Town doesn't work in Jo'burg and visa versa. Lutzno September 4th, 2009, 10:45 PM Yo big Mo do u know what the layout of the pitch will be like....will it be horizontal or vertical...or even parallel looking at the emirates stadiums pitch http://ngepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/emirates-stadium.jpg which is vertical.. all pitches are both horizontal and vertical, even emirates. if you look from behind the goals it will look "vertical" and if you look from the half way line it will look "horizontal" http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/content/images/2006/07/18/emirates3_440x330.jpg there you go. Mo Rush September 5th, 2009, 12:37 AM Still hoping it comes to look more like the render. Missing a bit of the SC and MM wow-factor... its not meant to have wow factor..its just meant to fit in, glow, reflect and absorb. an arch: we have our icon..and a cable car on top of it already a colourful calabash: not gonna happen better views in and out of the stadium and closer to the action than both MM and SC. Intimate bowl. absorb colours during the day, glow from the inside at night. no allianz bright lights, no arch, no rough edges, no birds nest simple, elegant, timeless. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2617/3853142075_6f1b93fa95_b.jpg rulani September 5th, 2009, 12:47 AM It depends who sees it realy. To me its WOW factor lies in its beauty(which you will see once its done)and the location. Its the most beautifull stad in SA. the complementary of the mountain, the ocean, the point (which is green), and the stadium itself (of which its color complements the other 3). you dont find anything like that anywhere else in the world. Mo Rush September 5th, 2009, 12:48 AM i don't understand the facade couldn't u just go through it?? ptfe mesh membrane fits into the gaps, creating a shell like effect like a lantern http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3199/2384935985_2125a33554_o.jpg http://www.macina.com/typo3temp/pics/gmp_stadion_capetown_05.jpg Mo Rush September 5th, 2009, 12:55 AM Translucent Mesh fabric façade The entire stadium will be clad in a light, silver mesh fabric façade. It allows only 30% of natural light and thus significantly reduces thermal radiation and glare while providing natural ventilation and cooling for spectators in the stadium bowl. The capital cost of the cladding amounts to R206-million. The cladding has another important environmental function; that of reducing visual clutter by creating an even outer façade that respects the surrounding historic urban fabric. IMO it will be very similar to the FIFA HQ. Although Green Point will use a fibre glass infused PTFE fabric mesh, the effect is well explained by the description of the FIFA mesh facade. Quote: With spectacular visual effects, the textile-like cladding of the Home of FIFA communicates with the observer and with the surroundings. Depending on the point of view, the angle of incidence of light and the time of day, it reveals the view into the inside of the building, or conceals it and reflects the natural surroundings. As the sun crosses the sky, the metallic woven mantle constantly changes: monochrome gray in the early morning gives way to silvery coolness in the blazing midday sun and a warm golden shimmer in the glow of sunset. At night the mesh, with its warp cables of stainless steel and its weft wires of silver-colored, continuously anodized aluminum, becomes a luminous projection screen for an innovative lighting concept devised by the American light sculptor James Turrell. The outstanding high-tech aesthetics of the mesh are coupled with decisive functional advantages. The shimmering mantle constantly permits a view outside from the interior, provides full-value sun protection with room climate control capability, and, thanks to its absolute resistance to weather, has a practically unlimited service life. an example: http://cambridgearchitectural.com/images/photo_indoor.jpg __________________http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3580/3820328367_37beb41c2a_o.jpg Lydon September 5th, 2009, 01:04 AM Exactly :) It's not meant to look like a fish skeleton. Not mentioning any names... rulani September 5th, 2009, 01:16 AM Monochrome gray (mornings), Silver (Midday), Gold (sunset). Cant wait to see this interchange reflactions. hoodedvillain September 5th, 2009, 02:45 AM Depends which way you look at it... Lol this made me laugh! Lutzno September 5th, 2009, 10:34 AM how are they going to attatch it to the skeleton? Andrew_za September 5th, 2009, 01:48 PM Like it or not, Cape Town belongs to the Coloured people. But that's what makes SA so cool... A story of three cities, one "Tjy", one "Currivaceous" and one "Eish!" SA is a mish-mash of culture and languages, what works in Cape Town doesn't work in Jo'burg and visa versa. of course; I think everyone knows that, and now with the ANC not having much power in the cape just highlights that. Its great to have different cities who hold different cultures all in one country. It lives up to our national slogan, which in English means "Diverse people unite". The major racial communities in the cape are Black "Xhosa", Coloured and White (arranged alphabetically, not level of supremacy). Whats nice about it is that we are all one. Names are in English, Afrikaans and Xhosa- which satisfy's everyone. Thus "Cape Town stadium" will be the official name, with translations in Afrikaans & Xhosa. I love the "jy" (the "t" effect is just part of the accent) you really do get everyone's attention. Mo Rush September 5th, 2009, 02:46 PM how are they going to attatch it to the skeleton? http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3199/2384935985_2125a33554_o.jpg Andrew_za September 5th, 2009, 02:59 PM Lets hope much happens in the next upcoming weeks so i can check it out when i go visit soon. Lutzno September 5th, 2009, 03:55 PM that picture is the reason for my question, not the answer. Mo Rush September 5th, 2009, 03:57 PM For those still unsure about the facade. This is the model, with the facade which will give it a lantern like effect, and during the day depending on the light and time of day, will capture some of the hues and sunsets and sunrise colours. http://freespacemodels.co.za/images/models/2c.jpghttp://freespacemodels.co.za/images/models/2iv.jpghttp://freespacemodels.co.za/images/models/2i.jpg Mo Rush September 5th, 2009, 03:59 PM that picture is the reason for my question, not the answer. to the left of the picture...clip it on to to each gap as per the arrows. its lightweight so maybe they just slide it in. Sand-Shark September 5th, 2009, 05:27 PM Exactly :) It's not meant to look like a fish skeleton. Not mentioning any names... Just meant to look more like a child's potty! Not mentioning any names.... Lydon September 5th, 2009, 06:22 PM That be a strange looking potty! annman September 6th, 2009, 05:11 PM Long time overdue... time for one of my substantial picture updates! :) http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/andresannman/100_6479.jpg http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/andresannman/100_6489.jpg Fan-mile... http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/andresannman/100_6472.jpg http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/andresannman/100_6471.jpg See the precinct upgrades under the Green Point Urban Park thread... Mo Rush September 7th, 2009, 05:46 PM http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3482/3895820059_004d93c568_o.jpghttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2584/3895832913_517020c083_o.jpghttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3497/3896618000_a7d5380eb0_o.jpghttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3429/3895845351_6eab116e4c_o.jpghttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2607/3895843195_7cf02423dc_o.jpg http://farm1.static.flickr.com/1/buddyicons/51035677132@N01.jpg?1210459703#51035677132@N01 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/coda/) Uploaded on September 7, 2009 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/coda/archives/date-posted/2009/09/07/) by coda (http://www.flickr.com/photos/coda/) rulani September 8th, 2009, 02:50 AM Thanks Annman and Mo. Great pix. haggiesm September 8th, 2009, 09:01 AM great pics. weird and cool that you ride your bike onto the site. Lutzno September 8th, 2009, 11:56 AM Mo, if you look at Joannes new pictures, you can see if you look really close the things that the membrane will be attached to. they arc inwards and have lots of small clips on them. theyre busy installing them, and i presume they will attach them as they go... Andrew_za September 8th, 2009, 01:39 PM I cant wait to see the final product.So many different renders each contradicting each other in various ways. Stadium still looks great though :) Mo Rush September 8th, 2009, 02:11 PM Mo, if you look at Joannes new pictures, you can see if you look really close the things that the membrane will be attached to. they arc inwards and have lots of small clips on them. theyre busy installing them, and i presume they will attach them as they go... Yes, Ive seen them. I just assumed though that they are part of the main steel truss attached to the columns. I don't think they actually attach them to the frame. But I will look again. Last time I just saw little grooves into which they slide. Lutzno September 8th, 2009, 03:25 PM in the one picture you can see that some of the trusses have them and some dont. Mo Rush September 8th, 2009, 03:27 PM in the one picture you can see that some of the trusses have them and some dont. interesting. Lutzno September 8th, 2009, 03:33 PM maybe im wrong, but i see some with little clips and some without. Mo Rush September 8th, 2009, 03:55 PM maybe im wrong, but i see some with little clips and some without. i dont. how about you illegally point out on the pics which have them? :) Lutzno September 8th, 2009, 07:13 PM joanne, sue me. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pSOzsHmV-rA/SqLkOfBC1KI/AAAAAAAAC44/LWonNMv9hEA/s1600-h/3890805120_0b83776f36_oTMFJBASKET.jpg the ones on the left of the picture have those little clips and not the trusses further right. Mo Rush September 8th, 2009, 07:38 PM all of them have it from what i can see the part of the steel truss that is concave is part of the truss and not added on. or im just blind :) Lutzno September 8th, 2009, 08:17 PM im only talking about the little clips that look like bolts, i can see they all have the concave part, but on the concave part, the little bolt like clips Mo Rush September 8th, 2009, 08:22 PM im only talking about the little clips that look like bolts, i can see they all have the concave part, but on the concave part, the little bolt like clips i see two bolts at the top of the concave part on the right but not the left. Mo Rush September 8th, 2009, 09:37 PM Send your thoughts/suggestions for the proposed "Cape Town Stadium" name to : stadium@capetown.gov.za percy07 September 8th, 2009, 10:33 PM im only talking about the little clips that look like bolts, i can see they all have the concave part, but on the concave part, the little bolt like clips Wow good spotting Lutzno, looks like you are spot on. Is this what you were referring to? http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x22/monkfish07/MembraneBolts.jpg Mo Rush September 8th, 2009, 11:08 PM No I think he is referring to the bolts at the top of the concave part. Mo Rush September 8th, 2009, 11:13 PM some of tads close ups. perhaps use these to explain http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq159/tadpolefarm/Greenpoint%20Stadium/DSC_4230.jpg http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq159/tadpolefarm/Greenpoint%20Stadium/DSC_4231.jpg http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq159/tadpolefarm/Greenpoint%20Stadium/IMG_9706.jpg Lutzno September 8th, 2009, 11:21 PM no percy is right, thats what im talking about, those little bolt like clips Mo Rush September 9th, 2009, 12:16 AM i give up. just looks like the shadow to me. percy07 September 9th, 2009, 06:41 AM i give up. just looks like the shadow to me. Haha... ok last try... (Excuse me for butting in, Lutzno). The concave white pipe with little bolts or holes on is most likely what the membrane will be attached to. It can't be more clear than this: http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x22/monkfish07/Capture2.jpg Mo Rush September 9th, 2009, 11:56 AM I know but those arent clipped on. they are part of the steel truss. Lutzno September 9th, 2009, 12:29 PM but they firstly arent on the rest of the trusses, and secondly arent on any of the trusses in the pics you posted Lutzno September 9th, 2009, 12:46 PM AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. THE FACADE IS ON, THE FACADE IS ON!!! IT LOOKS AWESOME! THE FACADE IS ON!!!! CHECK THE WEBCAM!!! DOESNT LOOK VERY TRANSLUCENT BUT WHO CARES! THE FACADE IS GOING UP! WOOOHOOOO. Ron2K September 9th, 2009, 01:28 PM Awesome! http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l116/ron2k-za/misc/new.jpg Lutzno September 9th, 2009, 01:36 PM theyre moving really fast, if theyre doing at on the other side aswell, they should be done by the end of the month. SharksBoy September 9th, 2009, 01:40 PM YAY!!!!!!!!! Mo Rush/Joanne please drive up and take couple of picture plz plz plz! Dames September 9th, 2009, 01:46 PM Awesome! Jackes1754 September 9th, 2009, 01:59 PM YAY!!!!!!!!! Mo Rush/Joanne please drive up and take couple of picture plz plz plz! Ask Mo please. For the other, I'd rather go without photos since the other day thank you very much :bash: haggiesm September 9th, 2009, 02:35 PM aaaaaaaW YeeaaH!!! bloatedstomach September 9th, 2009, 02:48 PM http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab259/bloatedstomach/BILD4505_kleiner.jpg http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab259/bloatedstomach/BILD4510_kleiner.jpg http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab259/bloatedstomach/BILD4512_kleiner.jpg Andrew_za September 9th, 2009, 03:00 PM Yes!!! Lydon September 9th, 2009, 05:14 PM AWESOME! It looks translucent to me on the Ritz Carlton webcam (the only one I can make anything out on might I add). Mo Rush September 9th, 2009, 09:40 PM http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3475/3903313971_113d249317_o.jpgUploaded on September 9, 2009 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mountainpsy/archives/date-posted/2009/09/09/) by mountainSeb (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mountainpsy/) rulani September 9th, 2009, 10:05 PM Oh i love what its becoming. Thats a super pic Mo. Thanks Andrew_za September 9th, 2009, 10:26 PM Notice that the numbers of big cranes are becoming fewer. :) The steel structure has almost completely joined And the highlight of the day is without a doubt the first bit of fabric that was installed/ being installed! kabelo September 9th, 2009, 11:00 PM yeah the missing cranes contribute to the beauty :) when i see this stadium, especially in the above picture, the word 'clean' comes to mind. i dunno why. clean lines, clean colours. very minamilist. i like alot Mo Rush September 9th, 2009, 11:41 PM http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3440/3904285103_c9f934a4a2_b.jpgUploaded on September 9, 2009 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/blyzz/archives/date-posted/2009/09/09/) by Blyzz (http://www.flickr.com/photos/blyzz/) rulani September 9th, 2009, 11:57 PM Just love the way light reflects on the roof as well. Luv the color. Mo Rush September 9th, 2009, 11:58 PM http://www.tfphotography.co.za/images/splash/_50u1122_-_version_2.jpg DennisRodman97 September 10th, 2009, 01:30 AM hey yo Mo why dont u guys take an heli tour like the jozi people are doing? Mo Rush September 10th, 2009, 01:32 AM hey yo Mo why dont u guys take an heli tour like the jozi people are doing? http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/gallery/Pages/StadiumConstructionProgress35.aspx DennisRodman97 September 10th, 2009, 01:39 AM shakes my head @ Mo.....i know that website got pictures but why dont u guys ...u know annman....hell even lydon organize an heli tour like AB and pule did.. Mo Rush September 10th, 2009, 05:55 AM if we wanted to we would. there are lots of them in CT. but for now we have no shortage of aerial pics of the stadium. DennisRodman97 September 10th, 2009, 07:23 AM boooooooo! haggiesm September 10th, 2009, 08:31 AM is someone growing a money tree that i don't know about or where is all this heli tour talk coming from? DennisRodman97 September 10th, 2009, 08:35 AM haggie u need to go on an heli tour of pretoria :D haggiesm September 10th, 2009, 08:38 AM bring me the money tree :) Durbsboi September 10th, 2009, 10:17 AM lol, nice one bloated! Durbsboi September 10th, 2009, 10:29 AM Ask Mo please. For the other, I'd rather go without photos since the other day thank you very much :bash: why what happen the other day? Jackes1754 September 10th, 2009, 11:19 AM why what happen the other day? The big Jo was so unhappy about the way Mo pasted here photos here and gave her credit and more credit. Apparently she only wants us to handle it like this. " Hey guys, have you seen the fantastic pic updated on Jo's blog... " and then you have to go visit her blog yourself Seems credit and reference is sometimes not enough :bash: annman September 10th, 2009, 11:45 AM bring me the money tree :) R200 note, some rooting hormone, some peat and perlite and additional overhead misting... but the f^&king thing won't take root. Damn this trying to grow a money tree! :ohno: haggiesm September 10th, 2009, 12:05 PM :lol: Mo Rush September 10th, 2009, 02:09 PM The big Jo was so unhappy about the way Mo pasted here photos here and gave her credit and more credit. Apparently she only wants us to handle it like this. " Hey guys, have you seen the fantastic pic updated on Jo's blog... " and then you have to go visit her blog yourself Seems credit and reference is sometimes not enough :bash: poor Mo:ohno: Lydon September 10th, 2009, 04:02 PM I'll go on a helitour if Dennis is paying :D DennisRodman97 September 10th, 2009, 04:47 PM hell to the No.......get a job! Lydon September 10th, 2009, 04:54 PM Then stop complaining ;) Andrew_za September 10th, 2009, 05:19 PM Dismantlement of another crane!! Awesome! http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l116/ron2k-za/misc/new.jpg http://www.africanskyhotels.com/public/new.jpg Andrew_za September 10th, 2009, 05:31 PM SO they will be doing this for the next two months? Seems like it takes two days to install one full "sheet". percy07 September 10th, 2009, 05:41 PM SO they will be doing this for the next two months? Seems like it takes two days to install one full "sheet". It probably won't take that long, as with the roof trusses etc. As they finish one aspect of construction, more attention is diverted to the next and so on. Once all the facade trusses are up, the membrane should quickly follow. :) Andrew_za September 10th, 2009, 06:00 PM True.. but it could. Bearing in mind that its already the tenth. In the next 3/4 months, its facade, pitch, chairs, lights and finishing touches; not forgetting the temporary seating. Then work is full force on the urban park. I cant wait for the stadium to be lit :) Btw, joanne has nice updates Mo Rush September 10th, 2009, 06:10 PM eeew it doesnt look good... Mo Rush September 10th, 2009, 06:12 PM *Removed Mo Rush September 10th, 2009, 06:13 PM eeeew again. Lydon September 10th, 2009, 06:30 PM It looks quite grey up close, but further out it looks really white. Either way, looking so awesome =D Ron2K September 10th, 2009, 06:32 PM It's not that bad - I'm sure the finished product will look a lot better. Was the same with the MM facade: I thought it initially looked crap, but I'm pleased with the end result. Mo Rush September 10th, 2009, 06:33 PM holding thumbs of course for end result...but for now eeew. p.s. capetonians this does not mean i hate CT. just thought i should make that clear. Andrew_za September 10th, 2009, 06:57 PM It looks quite grey up close, but further out it looks really white. Either way, looking so awesome =D I know! its strange but cool at the same time. Lydon September 10th, 2009, 07:31 PM What don't you like about it Mo? Reminds me of how I felt about Nelson Mandela Bay's membrane at first. Thought it looked so gross. But when they stretched it properly in the end it looked really awesome :) percy07 September 10th, 2009, 08:00 PM ^^ Is that not an "inner layer" of the facade membrane? I thought the membrane would envelope the facade trusses entirely, or are the horizontal curved parts to remain exposed, as they are now? annman September 10th, 2009, 08:58 PM \These images belong to Joanne. They can be found at her blog. The blog belongs to Joanne. Joanne owns all rights.... and must be worshiped. Bow to Joanne. Kneel before her almighty power. :) Andrew_za September 10th, 2009, 09:15 PM ... and must be worshiped. Bow to Joanne. Kneel before her almighty power. :) If you want to bring the law into this, She posted it on Flickr, with no restrictions. She made it clear that the pictures belong to her, -crediting herself. SO by it being posted here, is fine, and she has been credited, thus, by no violation has been made. Reggae Boyz Ja September 10th, 2009, 10:11 PM Looks like a fricken bed sheet..Shame :ohno: DennisRodman97 September 10th, 2009, 10:14 PM joanne u need to relax......i post her pix anyways ..she can sue me all i care cuz im damn broke right now...take me to judge judy DennisRodman97 September 10th, 2009, 10:17 PM never judge a book by its cover Big Mo.....lets all wait and see when its all said and done....people are quick to judge..... Mo Rush September 10th, 2009, 10:52 PM http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3435/3907299838_98dd7c6a64_b.jpg http://farm1.static.flickr.com/36/buddyicons/87358092@N00.jpg?1156196405#87358092@N00 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrepierre/) Uploaded on September 10, 2009 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrepierre/archives/date-posted/2009/09/10/) by André-Pierre (http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrepierre/) Mo Rush September 10th, 2009, 10:58 PM my new theory. thats not the facade! percy07 September 10th, 2009, 11:12 PM my new theory. thats not the facade! My thoughts exactly. In this picture you posted, it definitely looks like the facade "hugs" the trusses... like spandex on a fat person (bad metaphor). What's going up now must be to make the white membrane more opaque. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3199/2384935985_2125a33554_o.jpg Mo Rush September 10th, 2009, 11:43 PM and...what they have up looks like one entire length of membrane...how exactly will they get it into the concave shape and between the steel trusses if it hangs behind the truss http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq159/tadpolefarm/Greenpoint%20Stadium/DSC_4230.jpg http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq159/tadpolefarm/Greenpoint%20Stadium/DSC_4231.jpg http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq159/tadpolefarm/Greenpoint%20Stadium/IMG_9706.jpg Mo Rush September 11th, 2009, 12:49 AM looks like dirty fabric they picked up somewhere...methinks R206 million is a lot of money for this !:bash: *removed annman September 11th, 2009, 08:47 AM Also, that called, "dirty fabric" they're showing now is being installed vertically it seems, the renders and the fasteners indicate the membrane will be installed horizontally. So, perhaps this that we see now is the interior lining, whilst the installation of the actual external membrane has yet to begin. Wouldn't get too worried about the "look" just yet. :) Durbsboi September 11th, 2009, 09:45 AM I cant see shit :( Leftfoot September 11th, 2009, 10:20 AM It almost looks like silver plastic from that last pic. I think theres still a wholae lot of tensioning to go before it takes its proper shape. Durboi...i cant see shit either...just the stadium! :) (follow the link under properties for those pics) Hehe....Looks like Joanne spray-painted her name on the top of the stadium facade! (Suprised to see no recognition/thanks/arsekissing/bowing down on hands and knees ...er from MO on those pics) Durbsboi September 11th, 2009, 11:23 AM I can see it now, in the morning there was this heavy reflection on it :D Mo Rush September 11th, 2009, 11:46 AM http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2617/3895053859_1b3fd92a0a_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3651/buddyicons/40020486@N07.jpg?1246515432#40020486@N07 (http://up.flickr.com/photos/marcomonni/) Uploaded on September 7, 2009 (http://up.flickr.com/photos/marcomonni/archives/date-posted/2009/09/07/) by Marco Monni (http://up.flickr.com/photos/marcomonni/) Lutzno September 11th, 2009, 02:46 PM its the fibreglass tissue, the outer facade still has to go on. Lydon September 11th, 2009, 03:23 PM Yay, we finally know what it is :P Mo Rush September 13th, 2009, 07:11 PM http://web3.twitpic.com/img/29069541-31859c3d039b87f8cf0f7bf389dd3553.4aad27c8-full.jpghttp://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/28899302.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1252862899&Signature=4AE%2BwUCO7XCuFHIHbXrIvMkiuZo%3Dhttp://web3.twitpic.com/img/29308014-a2652eef0b9d69f49dfbc4ec1a165fcf.4aad27ba-full.jpg Andrew_za September 13th, 2009, 07:49 PM 3 "heavy duty" cranes left Mo Rush September 13th, 2009, 09:58 PM Green Point Stadium - Cape Town: Pressure is on the Western Cape, as Green Point seems to be behind other stadiums, pushing deadlines to the limits, in order to be prepared in time for the FIFA World Cup 2010. By Design got involved not only due to the rapid assembly of Light Steel Frame walls but also due to the structural advantages of light steel frame walls (especially weight compared to brick walls). By using LSF at the green point stadium we feel that we are part of the team, in order to accomplish the City of Cape Town's GREEN GOAL (http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/GreenGoal/Pages/default.aspx). http://www.bydesign.org.za/images/GPS5.jpg http://www.bydesign.org.za/images/greenpointsteps.jpg http://www.bydesign.org.za/images/GPS7.jpg http://www.bydesign.org.za/images/GPS3.jpg http://www.bydesign.org.za/images/greenpointtoiletblock.jpg Lutzno September 14th, 2009, 12:18 AM whats their purpose? oh and by the way, i had supper sitting outside the stadium last night at 11pm (burgers) and 3 15 am (mcflurrys) so it was really awesome and they were still welding the facade frame at that time. was cool seeing the sparks fall and stuff. the handrails though... wow, just so overly big and bulky and pretty ugly if im honest. but got shivers thinking that in 9 months ill be coming to watch world cup football there. was really awesome. Mo Rush September 14th, 2009, 02:16 AM ablution meaning toilets Sand-Shark September 14th, 2009, 09:27 AM ablution meaning toilets Is that a cost-cutting exercise? Mo Rush September 14th, 2009, 10:11 AM Is that a cost-cutting exercise? well they aimed to have toilets within a reasonable distance of every seat. since the four major toilet blocks are in the podium, one level below the concourse, its more convenient if those on the third and second tier had toilets located closer to their seats. I think the steel frame saves costs and is more environmentally friendly and I assume can therefore be dismantled if need be. It also allows for more flexible use of the space post 2010 depending on the plans of the operator Mo Rush September 14th, 2009, 10:15 AM http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2500/3916069339_eb5566e4b2_b.jpg http://up.flickr.com/images/buddyicon.jpg#41072824@N03 (http://up.flickr.com/photos/41072824@N03/) Uploaded on September 13, 2009 (http://up.flickr.com/photos/41072824@N03/archives/date-posted/2009/09/13/) by kyle george williams (http://up.flickr.com/photos/41072824@N03/) Mo Rush September 14th, 2009, 10:28 AM Not looking good. I don't think another layer will be added. I think this is it. see blog T.U.G.Z September 14th, 2009, 10:44 AM I don't understand the dissapointment. Looks like the render to me, just abit grey-er, which would be way more sustainable, imo. haggiesm September 14th, 2009, 10:47 AM I see a lot of installed seats in that shot :D i haven't seen any disappointing pics of the facade so far . Durbsboi September 14th, 2009, 10:53 AM still looks like it needs to be more taut, Im not so sure if that is the final layer. haggiesm September 14th, 2009, 10:57 AM are you guys referring to a pic i've missed somehow? the only one i've seen where the facade is visible is the one webcam shot. Durbsboi September 14th, 2009, 11:01 AM mo's pics dont show first time round, quote his post you will find links to the pic's there. Mo Rush September 14th, 2009, 11:02 AM it seems only the lower two gaps have been stretched/made taut. Jackes1754 September 14th, 2009, 12:24 PM O oh, Mo, Jo is going to f u up... Did you bow down with that posting :lol: Andrew_za September 14th, 2009, 12:34 PM I see a lot of installed seats in that shot Yeah! also noticed the seats. they look much better then i anticipated. From a shot like that; i understand why GPS could not/should not have colour seats. I think its ok. We'll get a clearer idea as progression furthers. It does not seem as grey and as "eish" as how it looked originally. I also expected a much lighter shade. Something more white, or very light cream colour, but we'll see. I cant wait to see how it will look with some lighting. Another "sheet" has been added :) Mo Rush September 14th, 2009, 12:58 PM O oh, Mo, Jo is going to f u up... Did you bow down with that posting :lol: which posting? :) Jackes1754 September 14th, 2009, 01:26 PM which posting? :) The one where you asked us to please go visit her blog and see her fantastic new photos that belong to her and are only posted by her on her blog.... :lol: The one that dissapeared now. :lol: OT: Did you see our man's semi final against Djokovic, that match point shot between the legs :nuts: :banana: Mo Rush September 14th, 2009, 01:56 PM The one where you asked us to please go visit her blog and see her fantastic new photos that belong to her and are only posted by her on her blog.... :lol: The one that dissapeared now. :lol: OT: Did you see our man's semi final against Djokovic, that match point shot between the legs :nuts: :banana: yes i stayed awake and im now dying at work. think ill leave at 3pm today ...i need to prepare for my 2 weeks of leave :) Lydon September 14th, 2009, 02:30 PM Yeah! also noticed the seats. they look much better then i anticipated. From a shot like that; i understand why GPS could not/should not have colour seats. I think its ok. We'll get a clearer idea as progression furthers. It does not seem as grey and as "eish" as how it looked originally. I also expected a much lighter shade. Something more white, or very light cream colour, but we'll see. I cant wait to see how it will look with some lighting. Another "sheet" has been added :) They are looking great. There colours contrast each other more than I was expecting them to. Andrew_za September 14th, 2009, 03:35 PM Visiting this week. With the latest updates-hopefully LIVE Lutzno September 14th, 2009, 03:59 PM was just there now, never seen such a hive of activity in my life! Andrew_za September 14th, 2009, 04:10 PM was just there now, never seen such a hive of activity in my life! did you get pictures of the seats and other progress? else then i dont have to go in the week Mo Rush September 14th, 2009, 04:26 PM whats their purpose? oh and by the way, i had supper sitting outside the stadium last night at 11pm (burgers) and 3 15 am (mcflurrys) so it was really awesome and they were still welding the facade frame at that time. was cool seeing the sparks fall and stuff. the handrails though... wow, just so overly big and bulky and pretty ugly if im honest. but got shivers thinking that in 9 months ill be coming to watch world cup football there. was really awesome. http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/gallery/PublishingImages/Stadium%20construction/GP_10_Sep_09_g.jpg Lutzno September 14th, 2009, 04:33 PM they really could not have chosen fuglier hand rails, and they look too low as well. Mo Rush September 14th, 2009, 04:33 PM updates!! 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I understand the stadium was extremely costly, but why cut back by installing crap rails. I'll get close ups soon. Maybe they not as bad, or thats not the final product. If these were taken on the 10th, There has been so much progress in these past 4 days! Mo Rush September 14th, 2009, 05:21 PM Video: Seat Installation and Seat Choice (http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/gallery/media/GP_Stad_Seating_Sep_09.wmv) 1000 a day DennisRodman97 September 14th, 2009, 07:48 PM nice set of pix from ct webpage....Mo thanks for posting it.....Big mo when will they install the scoreboard.... Marsupalami September 14th, 2009, 09:23 PM Those rails, WHAT were they thinking. I understand the stadium was extremely costly, but why cut back by installing crap rails. I'll get close ups soon. Maybe they not as bad, or thats not the final product. If these were taken on the 10th, There has been so much progress in these past 4 days! hahaha, ja, at that gradient and unifornity, theyll be a hit with the ubiquitous Emo/skater-punks that hang out in squares and look unhappy with life. ag shame, maybe we should have built something for them and their enemies - the in line skaters in the urban park to disuade them? Asal September 15th, 2009, 01:15 AM :applause::nocrook::wink2:http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2500/3916069339_eb5566e4b2_b.jpg http://up.flickr.com/images/buddyicon.jpg#41072824@N03 (http://up.flickr.com/photos/41072824@N03/) Uploaded on September 13, 2009 (http://up.flickr.com/photos/41072824@N03/archives/date-posted/2009/09/13/) by kyle george williams (http://up.flickr.com/photos/41072824@N03/) Mo Rush September 15th, 2009, 03:05 AM http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/29795933.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1252977722&Signature=UeTunEnlW75hr5NXtc%2F9ApWGW6Y%3Dhttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ol90K8bCn8/Sq08yP2OcqI/AAAAAAAAAHE/8Xrew6FTnd0/s1600/SSA41199.JPGhttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ol90K8bCn8/Sq08895Eo2I/AAAAAAAAAHM/fppe5fbItpI/s1600/SSA41200.JPG Chiricano September 15th, 2009, 07:15 AM nice... Durbsboi September 15th, 2009, 09:26 AM Im digging that twisted steel stair case |