NEW YORK CITY - Barclays Center (19,000)

[Bigmac1212]

Some new renderings were introduced for the proposed new home of the New Jersey/Brooklyn Nets.

Official Arena Site (http://www.barclayscenter.com/venue/venue_5.shtml)

(Sorry, I can't post flash images.)

Interesitng design.

[Luke80]

Any pictures/renderings of the bowl?

That site didn't seem to have any. Who cares what the luxury suites won't end up looking like?! :lol:

[KingmanIII]

Any pictures/renderings of the bowl?

That site didn't seem to have any. Who cares what the luxury suites won't end up looking like?! :lol:
You're right, this thing was supposed to be completed -- as of five years ago. :lol:

Ratner will never get this thing built. The Nets should just move to Newark.

[Luke80]

As per usual, sport taking a back seat to money and politics I presume... :ohno:

[Benn]

Mostly the credit crunch, Forrest City Ratner who was paying for the development couldn't get the finances in order for Gehry's $900 million arena plus the surrounding towers, so he was fired and they brought in Ellerbe Becket.

On all accounts that I've heard the seating bowl is basically the Conseco Fieldhouse with slight alterations, just the the fancy perforated CorTen wrapper that Shop Architects came up with.

[ryebreadraz]

If it's essentially the same seating bowl as Conseco then great. Conseco has the best seating bowl and design of any arena I've ever been in.

[Benn]

I liked Gehry's much better. Nothing wrong with conseco, but there are better ones out there. The Gehry design had overhang to the upper level, the suites were more discrete, the bowl elegantly balanced to the sidelines, and rehashing a design is just lazy.

[Luke80]

The Conseco bowl is good for basketball, but it would be awful for hockey because of those diagonal corners. Legroom in the first row would be so varied.

Having now seen the bowl from Gehry's original design, I think it's awful. Way too many large gaps where things have to join nastily. Yes the top tier is flashy, but this isn't really much point to it.

[Ganis]

Crazy looking arena

[BoulderGrad]

As I understand it, this isnt including any facilities for hockey? Its a shame. The Islanders might actually get someone to watch them if they actually had an arena in NYC.

[KingmanIII]

As I understand it, this isnt including any facilities for hockey? Its a shame. The Islanders might actually get someone to watch them if they actually had an arena in NYC.
They're planning to upgrade Nassau and build a retail and entertainment district around it.

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[Ganis]

would that be an Arena with a glass roof?

[Kenni]

I find that hard to do, since it snows up there.

[The Game Is Up]

This project looks to be very close to getting started. Read on:
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/23/documents-signed-atlantic-yards-moves-ahead/

I'll say...you have to be a really big-time real estate mogul with gonads of steel (or a mega-bucks plan) to withstand a labyrinth of legal, political and economic challenges to start up a project in a big urban center in one of more litigious societies in the universe. Anyone else would have quit eons ago.

[Didier-Dro]

he nets better hope they get lebron next year cuz after setting the nba record most lost before a win in nba history, its wont be fair if a sucky team move to this landmark arena

[krudmonk]

What a waste to build two arenas for the Nets and Isles when one would do.

[KingmanIII]

What a waste to build two arenas for the Nets and Isles when one would do.
Islanders are likely moving -- no way in hell the Lighthouse project gets done now.

[krudmonk]

Islanders are likely moving -- no way in hell the Lighthouse project gets done now.
Exactly, they should both be doing this Brooklyn arena. I'm sure some power struggle and projected revenue streams are getting in the way of common sense, though.

[Ganis]

he nets better hope they get lebron next year cuz after setting the nba record most lost before a win in nba history, its wont be fair if a sucky team move to this landmark arena

If Lebron truly wants to win a championship he will avoid New York all together.

[nyrmetros]

I read that the Brooklyn Arena designer has altered the arena to include a NHL sized rink. any word on that?

[Didier-Dro]

If Lebron truly wants to win a championship he will avoid New York all together.

if he can turn a sucky cleveland team into a perenial team in the east, i dont see why he cant do that in newyork with either teams.

[Ganis]

in Todays league you need at least 1 Super Star, 2 stars, 3 up and coming stars and 5 role players. I bet Dallas goes after him harder then anyone else, Half the team has said they will take pay cuts to bring him there.

[ElVoltageDR]

if he can turn a sucky cleveland team into a perenial team in the east, i dont see why he cant do that in newyork with either teams.

The the Knicks continue to look relatively good, then yes maybe he'll go. But I don't think he wants to go to another rebuilding project because what he really wants to do is win a championship.

[The Game Is Up]

Someone shot a video of the area where the arena is supposed to be built.

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There's a lot of traffic there already. Typical New York ambiance.

As for the NHL, there is a rumor about the Islanders possibly joining the Nets at the Brooklyn arena. It may make sense for them to share one arena, as opposed to staying in separate arenas. However, it would depend on if Charlie Wang thinks it makes more business sense to be a part-owner or even renting of the new place, as opposed to continuing with the Lighthouse project in Nassau.

You can look at this if you want to know more: http://atlanticyardsreport.blogspot.com/search?q=islanders

[en1044]

Lol at Ganis thinking LeBron wants anything to do with the Mavericks.

[nygirl]

He was a dillusional little fella huh?

[massp88]

in Todays league you need at least 1 Super Star, 2 stars, 3 up and coming stars and 5 role players. I bet Dallas goes after him harder then anyone else, Half the team has said they will take pay cuts to bring him there.

That's pretty sad that they would be willing to do so. Because you know he would not do the same.

Who really cares where he goes?

You have to kind of feel bad for the Cavs. If they do lose him, their franchise will suffer as they will not sell as manay tickets, merchandise, appear on TV as much, etc.

[en1044]

In the end, i think its all about money with him. Since no one can give him the contract Cleveland can, i think he stays there.

[krolm]

yes!!! christmas came late! ganis was banned! man, i don't post on this forum... all i do is read all the great info available and one thing for sure is that reading his drivel made it a negative experience for me sometimes.

as for the arena, i hope the islanders move to it so i don't have to go to that long island dump for rangers games.

cheers

[nyrmetros]

Someone shot a video of the area where the arena is supposed to be built.

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There's a lot of traffic there already. Typical New York ambiance.

As for the NHL, there is a rumor about the Islanders possibly joining the Nets at the Brooklyn arena. It may make sense for them to share one arena, as opposed to staying in separate arenas. However, it would depend on if Charlie Wang thinks it makes more business sense to be a part-owner or even renting of the new place, as opposed to continuing with the Lighthouse project in Nassau.

You can look at this if you want to know more: http://atlanticyardsreport.blogspot.com/search?q=islanders


Brooklyn Americans FTW!

[KingmanIII]

Lol at Ganis thinking LeBron wants anything to do with the Mavericks.

In the end, i think its all about money with him. Since no one can give him the contract Cleveland can, i think he stays there.
Not that Ganis wasn't a moron, but you think Mark Cuban couldn't?

[en1044]

Not that Ganis wasn't a moron, but you think Mark Cuban couldn't?

Well, no.

Under the current CBA Cleveland would be allowed to give LeBron more money than anyone else.

Cuban could certainly give him loads of money, but not as much as Cleveland.

Thats why I dont think hes going to want to go to Dallas. I think it will be between the most money (Cleveland) or where his heart is (New York or New Jersey).

[KingmanIII]

Well, no.

Under the current CBA Cleveland would be allowed to give LeBron more money than anyone else.

Cuban could certainly give him loads of money, but not as much as Cleveland.

Thats why I dont think hes going to want to go to Dallas. I think it will be between the most money (Cleveland) or where his heart is (New York or New Jersey).
I think he'd want to go to a large market with a lot of the pieces in place to make a serious championship run.

New York makes a lot of sense in the first regard but both teams really need to clean house on- and off-court.

Could he get along well with Kobe or D-Wade? http://www.ultimatesportsboards.com/forums/img/smilies/hmm.gif

[marionthebarberian]

Well, no.

Under the current CBA Cleveland would be allowed to give LeBron more money than anyone else.

Cuban could certainly give him loads of money, but not as much as Cleveland.

Thats why I dont think hes going to want to go to Dallas. I think it will be between the most money (Cleveland) or where his heart is (New York or New Jersey).

if the Mavs and the cavs do a sign and trade, lebron can get 7/135 from the Mavs.

[en1044]

I think he'd want to go to a large market with a lot of the pieces in place to make a serious championship run.

New York makes a lot of sense in the first regard but both teams really need to clean house on- and off-court.

Could he get along well with Kobe or D-Wade? http://www.ultimatesportsboards.com/forums/img/smilies/hmm.gif

Kobe? No. Wade? Yes.

While Im sure LeBron and Kobe get along fine in real life, I dont think they could be on the same court together. Wade I believe would enjoy playing with LeBron, playing Pippen to Lebron's Jordan.

[en1044]

if the Mavs and the cavs do a sign and trade, lebron can get 7/135 from the Mavs.

Theres nothing that Dallas could trade Cleveland that would make that happen.

[marionthebarberian]

Theres nothing that Dallas could trade Cleveland that would make that happen.

Dampiers contract and Josh Howard.

Dampiers contract alone works financially.

[en1044]

Dampiers contract and Josh Howard.

Dampiers contract alone works financially.

This isnt about price, its about whether Cleveland would be trading away their team and its future.

Howard and Dampier for LeBron? Come on man. What could Cleveland possibly gain from that?

[KingmanIII]

This isnt about price, its about whether Cleveland would be trading away their team and its future.

Howard and Dampier for LeBron? Come on man. What could Cleveland possibly gain from that?
Yeah, that's a good point...their only real "star" is Dirk...otherwise it's pretty much a bunch of good role players.

[Dexter Morgan]

It is not hard to re-build an NBA team. You only neeed a few good players. Celtics went from worst team in the NBA to Champions in a year span.

[en1044]

It is not hard to re-build an NBA team. You only neeed a few good players. Celtics went from worst team in the NBA to Champions in a year span.

There are plenty of teams that have been wallowing in mediocrity for years now. I dont think its that easy.

[Dexter Morgan]

There are plenty of teams that have been wallowing in mediocrity for years now. I dont think its that easy.

Just tells me the people running those teams should find something else to do. If you are a lottery team year in and year out, you should be able to bring in a few good players in the draft. Their are 5 players on the court. It's not like you are building a team that fields 11 or 9 players.

[en1044]

Just tells me the people running those teams should find something else to do. If you are a lottery team year in and year out, you should be able to bring in a few good players in the draft. Their are 5 players on the court. It's not like you are building a team that fields 11 or 9 players.

But you are building a team with more than the 5 on the court. You need role players, you need solid unselfish players that buy into a system.

If It were that easy, then every team would trade for all star players just like the Celtics.

Its really not that easy.

[krudmonk]

Even so, you're dealing with a smaller overall roster than in other sports. The starting 5 can also carry much more weight.

[www.sercan.de]

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[Jim856796]

Should have made the Barclays Centre have an over 20k capacity for all events, no exceptions. It should have been bigger than the United Center or the Thomson-Boling Arena. Now the capacity is going to be 19k. And who came up with that crazy design in the above post?

[Dexter Morgan]

Should have made the Barclays Centre have an over 20k capacity for all events, no exceptions. It should have been bigger than the United Center or the Thomson-Boling Arena. Now the capacity is going to be 19k. And who came up with that crazy design in the above post?

James Dolan and MSG would of fought tooth and nail for that not to happen...

[vony91]

Maybe the tickets will be easier to get then for the Knicks, the arena looks very nice would love to see some games there

[en1044]

Should have made the Barclays Centre have an over 20k capacity for all events, no exceptions. It should have been bigger than the United Center or the Thomson-Boling Arena. Now the capacity is going to be 19k. And who came up with that crazy design in the above post?

Why?

Its not the city's main sporting or events center.

[beanhead4529]

With the official groundbreaking ceremony for the Barclays Center arena set for March 11, the ducks finally seem to be lining up in a row for developer Forest City Ratner.

The ceremony was quickly set last week following State Supreme Court Judge Abraham G. Gerges’ final approval ruling for the state’s planned seizure of property to make way for the $4-plus billion Atlantic Yards project. The ruling also paved the way for several street closings and traffic changes to accommodate the 22-acre project at the Atlantic/Flatbush Avenue intersection and moving southeast.

These changes were slated for Feb. 1, but were put on hold until the court ruling. Starting at 6 a.m., this Monday, March 8, Fifth Avenue between Flatbush and Atlantic Avenues, Pacific Street between Fifth and Sixth Avenues, and Pacific Street between Vanderbilt and Carlton Avenues will be permanently closed. Local and emergency vehicle access will be maintained as needed. Northbound traffic on Fifth Avenue can use Flatbush Avenue or Sixth Avenue to continue north; southbound traffic can use Sixth Avenue. Eastbound traffic on Pacific Street can use Dean Street; westbound traffic can use Bergen Street. To facilitate vehicle circulation, Sixth Avenue (between Flatbush Avenue and Pacific Street) will become two-way and the block of Pacific Street (between Carlton and Sixth Avenues) will become one-way westbound. These changes necessitate the removal of the Cobble Hill-bound B63 bus stop on Fifth Avenue, between Pacific Street and Atlantic Avenue. Passengers can use existing bus stops on Fifth Avenue (at Bergen Street) and on Atlantic Avenue (at Fourth Avenue). Advisory signs will be posted in advance of the closures and detour signs will be posted during the work. Traffic agents will be assigned to facilitate the flow of traffic and pedestrians.

The court ruling also means that the Empire State Development Corporation can officially start the process of removing residents whose property is condemned.

Daniel Goldstein, spokesperson for Develop Don’t Destroy Brooklyn, the main plaintiff in many of the court battles, and a resident who will lose his home to make way for the project, called the ruling a sad day in Brooklyn. “I am angry with our so-called political leaders who proudly stand by their abuse of power,” said Goldstein. “When the most powerful forces in state government collude with the real estate industry, injustices will happen, and today is a result of that.”

ESDC spokesperson Elizabeth Mitchell said the agency will continue to work with occupants to relocate them and anticipates an orderly relocation taking place over the next few months. Mitchell said there are 4 commercial occupants and about 35 residents occupying 15 apartments including Goldstein’s condo that will be relocated.

On the flip side of the condemnation, the Atlantic Yards project comes at a time when the city has seen little major development come to fruition in recent years. The Freedom Tower, for example, remains stalled, and unemployment is over 10 percent.

Borough President Marty Markowitz said the ruling means the creation of much-needed affordable housing, solid union jobs and permanent employment opportunities for Brooklynites. “Brooklyn’s shovels are, and have been, ready. So, let’s pick them up and get to work,” said Markowitz in a statement.


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/barclays_center_to_do_official_groundbreaking_fFLHjBZ5inXk8pCsSKhi2N#ixzz0hkYtP9tb

[The Game Is Up]

More renderings released:

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[en1044]

Its alright.

Wish it was hockey compatible, unless im not seeing it right.

[KingmanIII]

Its alright.

Wish it was hockey compatible, unless im not seeing it right.
HOCKEY?!!?! ain't gon' be no stinkin' hockey...

[Benn]

That bowl is really dissappointing after seeing the Frank Gehry design, this is just kind of choppy and akward by comparison. And its missing the multifunctional aspects of the site in the Gehry plan as well. Atleast Shop Architects came up with an intruiging skin.

[www.sercan.de]

IMO the bowl is ugly.

[sbutlik]

Jewish architectures are sterile for my taste.

[massp88]

IMO the bowl is ugly.

The whole inside is ugly. Talk about wasted space. Is there a need to have so many of those individual seats just below the suite level? And what's up with that massive hole behind the basket?

[www.sercan.de]

i think those are club seast the the whole is a restaurant

[Benn]

Jewish architectures are sterile for my taste.

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[Benn]

i think those are club seast the the whole is a restaurant

I would guess those are "loge boxes", sort of mini suites with in seat wait service and personal displays. similar to the ones in Miami, Columbus or Phoenix. They are all the rage in College sports, and are becoming more prominant in the NBA.

THe only thing I like about the interior is the seat color, other than that it is just chunky and akward.

[danVan]

Jewish architectures are sterile for my taste.

PArdon?

[Mo Rush]

Its ok.

The design doesn't really embrace the location to its fullest.
Nice interior but the bowl could be intimate...well thats just the feeling I get.

[Mr. Fitz]

Dislike it.