Some new renderings were introduced for the proposed new home of the New Jersey/Brooklyn Nets.

Official Arena Site (http://www.barclayscenter.com/venue/venue_5.shtml)

(Sorry, I can't post flash images.)

Interesitng design.

Any pictures/renderings of the bowl?

That site didn't seem to have any. Who cares what the luxury suites won't end up looking like?! :lol:

Any pictures/renderings of the bowl?

That site didn't seem to have any. Who cares what the luxury suites won't end up looking like?! :lol:
You're right, this thing was supposed to be completed -- as of five years ago. :lol:

Ratner will never get this thing built. The Nets should just move to Newark.

As per usual, sport taking a back seat to money and politics I presume... :ohno:

Mostly the credit crunch, Forrest City Ratner who was paying for the development couldn't get the finances in order for Gehry's $900 million arena plus the surrounding towers, so he was fired and they brought in Ellerbe Becket.

On all accounts that I've heard the seating bowl is basically the Conseco Fieldhouse with slight alterations, just the the fancy perforated CorTen wrapper that Shop Architects came up with.

If it's essentially the same seating bowl as Conseco then great. Conseco has the best seating bowl and design of any arena I've ever been in.

I liked Gehry's much better. Nothing wrong with conseco, but there are better ones out there. The Gehry design had overhang to the upper level, the suites were more discrete, the bowl elegantly balanced to the sidelines, and rehashing a design is just lazy.

The Conseco bowl is good for basketball, but it would be awful for hockey because of those diagonal corners. Legroom in the first row would be so varied.

Having now seen the bowl from Gehry's original design, I think it's awful. Way too many large gaps where things have to join nastily. Yes the top tier is flashy, but this isn't really much point to it.

Crazy looking arena

As I understand it, this isnt including any facilities for hockey? Its a shame. The Islanders might actually get someone to watch them if they actually had an arena in NYC.

As I understand it, this isnt including any facilities for hockey? Its a shame. The Islanders might actually get someone to watch them if they actually had an arena in NYC.
They're planning to upgrade Nassau and build a retail and entertainment district around it.

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would that be an Arena with a glass roof?

I find that hard to do, since it snows up there.

This project looks to be very close to getting started. Read on:
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/23/documents-signed-atlantic-yards-moves-ahead/

I'll say...you have to be a really big-time real estate mogul with gonads of steel (or a mega-bucks plan) to withstand a labyrinth of legal, political and economic challenges to start up a project in a big urban center in one of more litigious societies in the universe. Anyone else would have quit eons ago.

he nets better hope they get lebron next year cuz after setting the nba record most lost before a win in nba history, its wont be fair if a sucky team move to this landmark arena

What a waste to build two arenas for the Nets and Isles when one would do.

What a waste to build two arenas for the Nets and Isles when one would do.
Islanders are likely moving -- no way in hell the Lighthouse project gets done now.

Islanders are likely moving -- no way in hell the Lighthouse project gets done now.
Exactly, they should both be doing this Brooklyn arena. I'm sure some power struggle and projected revenue streams are getting in the way of common sense, though.

he nets better hope they get lebron next year cuz after setting the nba record most lost before a win in nba history, its wont be fair if a sucky team move to this landmark arena

If Lebron truly wants to win a championship he will avoid New York all together.

I read that the Brooklyn Arena designer has altered the arena to include a NHL sized rink. any word on that?

If Lebron truly wants to win a championship he will avoid New York all together.

if he can turn a sucky cleveland team into a perenial team in the east, i dont see why he cant do that in newyork with either teams.

in Todays league you need at least 1 Super Star, 2 stars, 3 up and coming stars and 5 role players. I bet Dallas goes after him harder then anyone else, Half the team has said they will take pay cuts to bring him there.

if he can turn a sucky cleveland team into a perenial team in the east, i dont see why he cant do that in newyork with either teams.

The the Knicks continue to look relatively good, then yes maybe he'll go. But I don't think he wants to go to another rebuilding project because what he really wants to do is win a championship.

Someone shot a video of the area where the arena is supposed to be built.

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There's a lot of traffic there already. Typical New York ambiance.

As for the NHL, there is a rumor about the Islanders possibly joining the Nets at the Brooklyn arena. It may make sense for them to share one arena, as opposed to staying in separate arenas. However, it would depend on if Charlie Wang thinks it makes more business sense to be a part-owner or even renting of the new place, as opposed to continuing with the Lighthouse project in Nassau.

You can look at this if you want to know more: http://atlanticyardsreport.blogspot.com/search?q=islanders

Lol at Ganis thinking LeBron wants anything to do with the Mavericks.

He was a dillusional little fella huh?

in Todays league you need at least 1 Super Star, 2 stars, 3 up and coming stars and 5 role players. I bet Dallas goes after him harder then anyone else, Half the team has said they will take pay cuts to bring him there.

That's pretty sad that they would be willing to do so. Because you know he would not do the same.

Who really cares where he goes?

You have to kind of feel bad for the Cavs. If they do lose him, their franchise will suffer as they will not sell as manay tickets, merchandise, appear on TV as much, etc.

In the end, i think its all about money with him. Since no one can give him the contract Cleveland can, i think he stays there.

yes!!! christmas came late! ganis was banned! man, i don't post on this forum... all i do is read all the great info available and one thing for sure is that reading his drivel made it a negative experience for me sometimes.

as for the arena, i hope the islanders move to it so i don't have to go to that long island dump for rangers games.

cheers

Someone shot a video of the area where the arena is supposed to be built.

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There's a lot of traffic there already. Typical New York ambiance.

As for the NHL, there is a rumor about the Islanders possibly joining the Nets at the Brooklyn arena. It may make sense for them to share one arena, as opposed to staying in separate arenas. However, it would depend on if Charlie Wang thinks it makes more business sense to be a part-owner or even renting of the new place, as opposed to continuing with the Lighthouse project in Nassau.

You can look at this if you want to know more: http://atlanticyardsreport.blogspot.com/search?q=islanders


Brooklyn Americans FTW!

Lol at Ganis thinking LeBron wants anything to do with the Mavericks.

In the end, i think its all about money with him. Since no one can give him the contract Cleveland can, i think he stays there.
Not that Ganis wasn't a moron, but you think Mark Cuban couldn't?

Not that Ganis wasn't a moron, but you think Mark Cuban couldn't?

Well, no.

Under the current CBA Cleveland would be allowed to give LeBron more money than anyone else.

Cuban could certainly give him loads of money, but not as much as Cleveland.

Thats why I dont think hes going to want to go to Dallas. I think it will be between the most money (Cleveland) or where his heart is (New York or New Jersey).

Well, no.

Under the current CBA Cleveland would be allowed to give LeBron more money than anyone else.

Cuban could certainly give him loads of money, but not as much as Cleveland.

Thats why I dont think hes going to want to go to Dallas. I think it will be between the most money (Cleveland) or where his heart is (New York or New Jersey).
I think he'd want to go to a large market with a lot of the pieces in place to make a serious championship run.

New York makes a lot of sense in the first regard but both teams really need to clean house on- and off-court.

Could he get along well with Kobe or D-Wade? http://www.ultimatesportsboards.com/forums/img/smilies/hmm.gif

Well, no.

Under the current CBA Cleveland would be allowed to give LeBron more money than anyone else.

Cuban could certainly give him loads of money, but not as much as Cleveland.

Thats why I dont think hes going to want to go to Dallas. I think it will be between the most money (Cleveland) or where his heart is (New York or New Jersey).

if the Mavs and the cavs do a sign and trade, lebron can get 7/135 from the Mavs.

I think he'd want to go to a large market with a lot of the pieces in place to make a serious championship run.

New York makes a lot of sense in the first regard but both teams really need to clean house on- and off-court.

Could he get along well with Kobe or D-Wade? http://www.ultimatesportsboards.com/forums/img/smilies/hmm.gif

Kobe? No. Wade? Yes.

While Im sure LeBron and Kobe get along fine in real life, I dont think they could be on the same court together. Wade I believe would enjoy playing with LeBron, playing Pippen to Lebron's Jordan.

if the Mavs and the cavs do a sign and trade, lebron can get 7/135 from the Mavs.

Theres nothing that Dallas could trade Cleveland that would make that happen.

Theres nothing that Dallas could trade Cleveland that would make that happen.

Dampiers contract and Josh Howard.

Dampiers contract alone works financially.

Dampiers contract and Josh Howard.

Dampiers contract alone works financially.

This isnt about price, its about whether Cleveland would be trading away their team and its future.

Howard and Dampier for LeBron? Come on man. What could Cleveland possibly gain from that?

This isnt about price, its about whether Cleveland would be trading away their team and its future.

Howard and Dampier for LeBron? Come on man. What could Cleveland possibly gain from that?
Yeah, that's a good point...their only real "star" is Dirk...otherwise it's pretty much a bunch of good role players.

It is not hard to re-build an NBA team. You only neeed a few good players. Celtics went from worst team in the NBA to Champions in a year span.

It is not hard to re-build an NBA team. You only neeed a few good players. Celtics went from worst team in the NBA to Champions in a year span.

There are plenty of teams that have been wallowing in mediocrity for years now. I dont think its that easy.

There are plenty of teams that have been wallowing in mediocrity for years now. I dont think its that easy.

Just tells me the people running those teams should find something else to do. If you are a lottery team year in and year out, you should be able to bring in a few good players in the draft. Their are 5 players on the court. It's not like you are building a team that fields 11 or 9 players.

Just tells me the people running those teams should find something else to do. If you are a lottery team year in and year out, you should be able to bring in a few good players in the draft. Their are 5 players on the court. It's not like you are building a team that fields 11 or 9 players.

But you are building a team with more than the 5 on the court. You need role players, you need solid unselfish players that buy into a system.

If It were that easy, then every team would trade for all star players just like the Celtics.

Its really not that easy.

Even so, you're dealing with a smaller overall roster than in other sports. The starting 5 can also carry much more weight.

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Should have made the Barclays Centre have an over 20k capacity for all events, no exceptions. It should have been bigger than the United Center or the Thomson-Boling Arena. Now the capacity is going to be 19k. And who came up with that crazy design in the above post?

Should have made the Barclays Centre have an over 20k capacity for all events, no exceptions. It should have been bigger than the United Center or the Thomson-Boling Arena. Now the capacity is going to be 19k. And who came up with that crazy design in the above post?

James Dolan and MSG would of fought tooth and nail for that not to happen...

Maybe the tickets will be easier to get then for the Knicks, the arena looks very nice would love to see some games there

Should have made the Barclays Centre have an over 20k capacity for all events, no exceptions. It should have been bigger than the United Center or the Thomson-Boling Arena. Now the capacity is going to be 19k. And who came up with that crazy design in the above post?

Why?

Its not the city's main sporting or events center.

With the official groundbreaking ceremony for the Barclays Center arena set for March 11, the ducks finally seem to be lining up in a row for developer Forest City Ratner.

The ceremony was quickly set last week following State Supreme Court Judge Abraham G. Gerges’ final approval ruling for the state’s planned seizure of property to make way for the $4-plus billion Atlantic Yards project. The ruling also paved the way for several street closings and traffic changes to accommodate the 22-acre project at the Atlantic/Flatbush Avenue intersection and moving southeast.

These changes were slated for Feb. 1, but were put on hold until the court ruling. Starting at 6 a.m., this Monday, March 8, Fifth Avenue between Flatbush and Atlantic Avenues, Pacific Street between Fifth and Sixth Avenues, and Pacific Street between Vanderbilt and Carlton Avenues will be permanently closed. Local and emergency vehicle access will be maintained as needed. Northbound traffic on Fifth Avenue can use Flatbush Avenue or Sixth Avenue to continue north; southbound traffic can use Sixth Avenue. Eastbound traffic on Pacific Street can use Dean Street; westbound traffic can use Bergen Street. To facilitate vehicle circulation, Sixth Avenue (between Flatbush Avenue and Pacific Street) will become two-way and the block of Pacific Street (between Carlton and Sixth Avenues) will become one-way westbound. These changes necessitate the removal of the Cobble Hill-bound B63 bus stop on Fifth Avenue, between Pacific Street and Atlantic Avenue. Passengers can use existing bus stops on Fifth Avenue (at Bergen Street) and on Atlantic Avenue (at Fourth Avenue). Advisory signs will be posted in advance of the closures and detour signs will be posted during the work. Traffic agents will be assigned to facilitate the flow of traffic and pedestrians.

The court ruling also means that the Empire State Development Corporation can officially start the process of removing residents whose property is condemned.

Daniel Goldstein, spokesperson for Develop Don’t Destroy Brooklyn, the main plaintiff in many of the court battles, and a resident who will lose his home to make way for the project, called the ruling a sad day in Brooklyn. “I am angry with our so-called political leaders who proudly stand by their abuse of power,” said Goldstein. “When the most powerful forces in state government collude with the real estate industry, injustices will happen, and today is a result of that.”

ESDC spokesperson Elizabeth Mitchell said the agency will continue to work with occupants to relocate them and anticipates an orderly relocation taking place over the next few months. Mitchell said there are 4 commercial occupants and about 35 residents occupying 15 apartments including Goldstein’s condo that will be relocated.

On the flip side of the condemnation, the Atlantic Yards project comes at a time when the city has seen little major development come to fruition in recent years. The Freedom Tower, for example, remains stalled, and unemployment is over 10 percent.

Borough President Marty Markowitz said the ruling means the creation of much-needed affordable housing, solid union jobs and permanent employment opportunities for Brooklynites. “Brooklyn’s shovels are, and have been, ready. So, let’s pick them up and get to work,” said Markowitz in a statement.


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/barclays_center_to_do_official_groundbreaking_fFLHjBZ5inXk8pCsSKhi2N#ixzz0hkYtP9tb

More renderings released:

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Its alright.

Wish it was hockey compatible, unless im not seeing it right.

Its alright.

Wish it was hockey compatible, unless im not seeing it right.
HOCKEY?!!?! ain't gon' be no stinkin' hockey...

That bowl is really dissappointing after seeing the Frank Gehry design, this is just kind of choppy and akward by comparison. And its missing the multifunctional aspects of the site in the Gehry plan as well. Atleast Shop Architects came up with an intruiging skin.

IMO the bowl is ugly.

Jewish architectures are sterile for my taste.

IMO the bowl is ugly.

The whole inside is ugly. Talk about wasted space. Is there a need to have so many of those individual seats just below the suite level? And what's up with that massive hole behind the basket?

i think those are club seast the the whole is a restaurant

Jewish architectures are sterile for my taste.

????

i think those are club seast the the whole is a restaurant

I would guess those are "loge boxes", sort of mini suites with in seat wait service and personal displays. similar to the ones in Miami, Columbus or Phoenix. They are all the rage in College sports, and are becoming more prominant in the NBA.

THe only thing I like about the interior is the seat color, other than that it is just chunky and akward.

Jewish architectures are sterile for my taste.

PArdon?

Its ok.

The design doesn't really embrace the location to its fullest.
Nice interior but the bowl could be intimate...well thats just the feeling I get.

Dislike it.

So is this underconstructions? I wish the Islanders would move here too.

So is this underconstructions? I wish the Islanders would move here too.
The seating bowl is built around a basketball court, so no, likely not happening.

Isles should move north of the border, anyway.

^No I heard that it can actually host hockey games. And no, no more teams in Canada please. 6 is good enough.

In the same sense that the Conseco Fieldhouse can, with one whole end of the arena totally useless. It will have good sightlines for basketball, but won't be able to support more than a minor league hockey team.

And as far as track records go in terms of fan support a couple more Canadian teams would be beneficial. Who on earth decided it would be a good idea to put a team in Pheonix or Nashville?

Who on earth decided it would be a good idea to put a team in Pheonix or Nashville?

Gary Bettman.

^No I heard that it can actually host hockey games. And no, no more teams in Canada please. 6 is good enough.If you truly feel this way then I hereby challenge your hockey/NHL fanhood.

^No I heard that it can actually host hockey games. And no, no more teams in Canada please. 6 is good enough.

Correction. Six ISNT enough.

Gary Bettman.

Wrong.

Nashville is fine. The ignorance is overwhelming here...

6 is enough.

6 is enough.

hahahaha

Wrong.

Nashville is fine. The ignorance is overwhelming here...

LOL

"The Nashville Predators tallied up 216 points in the last two seasons, fifth most in the NHL, yet because of below-average attendance, the team will still have a real cash loss of $27 million during that time. Additionally, that loss is despite receiving the most money in the league from revenue sharing. Over the last five years, the team has lost over $60 million."

http://www.nashvillepost.com/news/2007/5/24/preds_owner_leipold_tires_of_losing_money_confirms_sale

In the same sense that the Conseco Fieldhouse can, with one whole end of the arena totally useless. It will have good sightlines for basketball, but won't be able to support more than a minor league hockey team.

He ignored this part of my post...dare I say it, he doesn't care.

Gary Bettman.
I've heard that Bettman was sent by David Stern to sabotage the NHL.

I'm not a fan of stealing American teams and relocating them to Canada (aside from the Coyotes because they are originally from Winnipeg anyways) but those comments from TheKorean are indeed funny. To be honest, I think the Islanders should just fold. The NHL should have less teams ... 26 sounds good (with 8 in Canada) ... there is just too much talent dilution in NHL and NBA with the current 30 teams setup.

Wrong.

Nashville is fine. The ignorance is overwhelming here...

6 is enough.

Hahahahahahahahahaha

And may I ask you why 6 teams in Canada is enough? Perhaps its your overwhelming ignorance. Or perhaps you prefer teams that lose heaps of money.

That must be it.

LOL

"The Nashville Predators tallied up 216 points in the last two seasons, fifth most in the NHL, yet because of below-average attendance, the team will still have a real cash loss of $27 million during that time. Additionally, that loss is despite receiving the most money in the league from revenue sharing. Over the last five years, the team has lost over $60 million."

http://www.nashvillepost.com/news/2007/5/24/preds_owner_leipold_tires_of_losing_money_confirms_sale

That article is 3 years old. How are the Preds doing now? (honest question)

Every game I tried to go to was sold out and I couldn't get a ticket. Maybe I'm just randomly choosing the popular games.

LOL

"The Nashville Predators tallied up 216 points in the last two seasons, fifth most in the NHL, yet because of below-average attendance, the team will still have a real cash loss of $27 million during that time. Additionally, that loss is despite receiving the most money in the league from revenue sharing. Over the last five years, the team has lost over $60 million."

http://www.nashvillepost.com/news/2007/5/24/preds_owner_leipold_tires_of_losing_money_confirms_sale

Old news. Yes they were losing money. But you seem to forget everything that happened recently. They have new owners, they are starting to make profits. Look it up, yes its with revenue sharing but its still improvement and the Preds will keep improving.

The ignorance here is overwhelming. Its like you guys choose to ignore certain informations.

14000/17000 isnt bad, at all. Devils are doing almost as bad attendance wise. No ones calling them to move. And Avalanche finished bottom 5 in the attendance this year.

6 teams is enough for Canada, maybe S. Ontario can support one more. But if you think QC and Winnipeg can support teams you are joing. More to NHL teams then just attendance. Which is why League wanted a team in Atlanta so bad. And to them its important to keep a franchise there, along with other major league sports leagues. Atlanta=Corporate support.

No, KingmanIII I read that post. I was saying that I heard somewhere that it can actually host hockey games without being like US Airways Center.

That article is 3 years old. How are the Preds doing now? (honest question)

Every game I tried to go to was sold out and I couldn't get a ticket. Maybe I'm just randomly choosing the popular games.

Here's a piece from December

http://www.ontheforecheck.com/2009/12/1/1181294/nashville-predators-attendance-how

Problems are still there. Average attendance under 15k with cheap tix and pleny given away.

^The arena seats 17000, Preds draw 14000 Jeez, at least look it up.

http://blogs.tennessean.com/predators/2010/03/23/preds-will-top-14000-average-ticket-prices-rising/

PAID attendance. Cheap yes, but people are paying and showing up. Geez louise.

Whats up with you Canucks and lets move every team to Canada? Yes hocey is great in Canada, but attendance isnt the only factor. You guys lack populations and you guys also lack companies.

Um, this thread should be moved to the construction thread since they have already begun building!

Um, this thread should be moved to the construction thread since they have already begun building!

any pics?

any pics?

can do!............BUT they are EXTREMELY hard to come by for some reason:bash::nuts::ohno:

Special request to our fellow users in or around NYC: please get pics if you get the chance or if the opportunity arises. :)

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EDIT, Moved

I'm hoping the Barclays Center turns out good from an architectural standpoint.

Also, I don't see the point in only seating 17, 18, or 19 thousand. IMO, this building should seat more around 25,000.

BTW, I believe the design for the arena has changed. I could be wrong though.

I'd love to see the AHL team for the Rangers play here.

I'm hoping the Barclays Center turns out good from an architectural standpoint.

Also, I don't see the point in only seating 17, 18, or 19 thousand. IMO, this building should seat more around 25,000.

Why 25,000? The largest arenas in the NBA only hold about 22,000, and the nets are the 2nd team in the market and aren't exactly the greatest show on hardwood. Not that they won't ever be good again, but even the best teams don't require 25,000.

I think the point he was making is that why make it similar in size to the building they're moving out of? I'd say 22,000 should be the benchmark for NBA and 20,000 for NHL in new constructions.

I think the point he was making is that why make it similar in size to the building they're moving out of? I'd say 22,000 should be the benchmark for NBA and 20,000 for NHL in new constructions.

I think those numbers are still too high. 20k for the NHL is kind of excessive, being that most NHL teams are in non traditional NHL markets.

18k-19k is a bit better IMO.

I think those numbers are still too high. 20k for the NHL is kind of excessive, being that most NHL teams are in non traditional NHL markets.

18k-19k is a bit better IMO.

Standard for the NHL has been about 18,000 for new arenas. Just looking at hockey capacities for the the ones built in the last 10 years:

Consol Energy Center: 18,087
Prudential Center: 17,625
Jobing.com: 17,779
American Airlines Center: 18,532
Xcel Energy Center: 18,064
Nationwide Arena: 18,500

According to my tab from wikipedia, the average for the league is: 18,458

But for those of you who have mentioned the idea of the Islanders moving to Barclays: http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=5182924

I'm hoping the Barclays Center turns out good from an architectural standpoint.

Also, I don't see the point in only seating 17, 18, or 19 thousand. IMO, this building should seat more around 25,000.



Yea cause theres such a HUGGGGGE DEMAND for Nets tickets. Please.

To be honest I hate this project. I wish New Jersey gets to keep its own basketball team. New York already have a franchise. Spread it out instead of putting a second NY team.

To be honest I hate this project. I wish New Jersey gets to keep its own basketball team. New York already have a franchise. Spread it out instead of putting a second NY team.

New Jersey won't miss them. We barley noticed they were there.

Why 25,000? The largest arenas in the NBA only hold about 22,000, and the nets are the 2nd team in the market and aren't exactly the greatest show on hardwood. Not that they won't ever be good again, but even the best teams don't require 25,000.

I am aware of how many people current arenas hold and good teams consistently sell out on a regular basis. So, why build a arena with the current trends? Why not add a couple of thousand? The NYC metro area is only getting larger.

Yea cause theres such a HUGGGGGE DEMAND for Nets tickets. Please.

The Nets could go from worst to one of the best teams in the NBA if they pick up good free agents and use their #1 pick wisely.

Plus, Brooklyn is a better location than Newark. Many people including myself did not feel safe in Newark. Also, let's not forget this arena would be used for more than Nets games.

From what I've heard the owner of the Islanders wants to build a new arena in Queens next to the new Mets Stadium. I think that it's his thinking that Queens being formerly part of Nassau county would be a favourable location for current fans... then again they are both on long island, though is there even a downtown in Queens? It seems to me that Brooklyn has a better surrounding for a sports and entertainment arena; Brooklyn's more commercial isn't it?

They are building the Barclays Center in an already bustling area on a small foot print and that probably played a factor in the capacity being at 19,000. I walk by the construction site several times and I don't know where they will fit the parking lot even though the Barclays Center FAQs page said it will have one. The trains across from the center will play a large part in getting the fans in and out of the area but I can still imagine the traffic being brutal on the road so 19,000 is okay with me.

I'm a Nets fan and I'm glad they are coming to Brooklyn.

Many people including myself did not feel safe in Newark.

Did you go to the Ironbound district of Newark at all??? Great food, cheap drinks, great people.

From what I've heard the owner of the Islanders wants to build a new arena in Queens next to the new Mets Stadium. I think that it's his thinking that Queens being formerly part of Nassau county would be a favourable location for current fans... then again they are both on long island, though is there even a downtown in Queens? It seems to me that Brooklyn has a better surrounding for a sports and entertainment arena; Brooklyn's more commercial isn't it?


Not from around here are ya? :lol:

are there updates?

Construction has begun.

Anymore photos of the site? Think the islanders are better off on long island.

Anymore photos of the site? Think the islanders are better off on long island.

Barclays Center is in Brooklyn, which is on Long Island.

Barclays Center is in Brooklyn, which is on Long Island.

Thanks :banana: my bad. but was saying the team should stay were they are just in a new building

I agree but right now they are in suburban hell, now they can be in the city instead of out in the strip malls and cookie cutter suburbs.

Banker's Steel has a $50MM contract with barclays
http://www2.newsadvance.com/business/2010/aug/30/two-city-businesses-finalists-resilience-awards-ar-476621/

What is cookie cutter surburbs ? knew what it mean has to stadiums but not for surburbs

What is cookie cutter surburbs ? knew what it mean has to stadiums but not for surburbs

It just means they all look the same, or have no soul. Pretty much the same meaning when applied to stadiums

http://www.arteeast.org/content/files/editor/Image/ArteNews7/omar%20naim/22_suburbia1.jpg

Barclays eyes tennis events

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/barclays_eyes_tennis_events_1m3vkbFQHtnbAdV0jnxA5N


Barclays Center Construction Forces Pedestrians Onto The Street

http://brooklyn.ny1.com/content/top_stories/124863/barclays-center-construction-forces-pedestrians-onto-the-street

Artist renderings of the Barclays Center in Brooklyn NY.

http://i52.tinypic.com/saumhs.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/2eykrjq.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/2jfyr13.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/348sosx.jpg

..sorry about re-posting the pictures I missed them earlier in this thread. Still nice drawings.

http://www.arteeast.org/content/files/editor/Image/ArteNews7/omar%20naim/22_suburbia1.jpg

Oh ok. Yeah do hate new builds of houses cos they DO all look the same.:ohno:

A wicked storm went through the city yesterday, including the construction site. Someone shot a video where parts of the fence were knocked down:

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Artist renderings of the Barclays Center in Brooklyn NY.

http://i52.tinypic.com/saumhs.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/2eykrjq.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/2jfyr13.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/348sosx.jpg

..sorry about re-posting the pictures I missed them earlier in this thread. Still nice drawings.

It's some nice renderings.

Will this arena hold an ice hockey rink? If it does, will it have to remove a lot of seats to fit the rink?

It's some nice renderings.

Will this arena hold an ice hockey rink? If it does, will it have to remove a lot of seats to fit the rink?

I was wondering that myself, I was assuming the Islanders were going to move here, but that's not settled yet. What I do read is that it will have a rink, but those renders look a lot like a basketball only arena. If it's one of those where one whole end of the lower bowl has to be retracted for hockey then it will never work for the Islanders.

I was wondering that myself, I was assuming the Islanders were going to move here, but that's not settled yet. What I do read is that it will have a rink, but those renders look a lot like a basketball only arena. If it's one of those where one whole end of the lower bowl has to be retracted for hockey then it will never work for the Islanders.

Is this just speculation or has someone indicated that the Islanders are actually considering a move to Brooklyn of all places? They've always struck me as a suburban team for the outer Long Island folks.

Is this just speculation or has someone indicated that the Islanders are actually considering a move to Brooklyn of all places? They've always struck me as a suburban team for the outer Long Island folks.

Charles Wang (owner of the Islanders) is apparently having talks with Fred Wilpon (owner of the Mets) to move to Queens in a new arena beside Citi Field. This is a backup plan in case Wang's plans for getting a new arena in Uniondale fall apart.

I know it's just a render, but it's not terribly pretty inside is it?

It is easily the most disappointing seating bowl I have seen in a few years, especially after the really elegant, unique proposal from Gehry. At least they had SHOP architects redo the exterior, really poor effort from ellerbe Becket, even considering the takeover by Aecom.

Too bad brooklyn nets will stink up this beautiful arena.

When I saw the exterior render I was hoping for some matching interior quality...didn´t happen.

Different architects, Ellerbe Becket did the main structure/interior and SHoP Architects did the exterior. As you can see one design team has talent and work ethic and the other.....

Really, awful interior. While exterior is fantastic. I like especially place for this arena, in those renders looks so futuristic.

Why is there such a "need" for many breaks in unit in this (and many other American) arena? Why? This would be awesome arena, maybe best in the world, if there were two bowls, with boxes and VIP sectors and restaurants and sh*it like that between bowls.

exterior - 9,5/10

interior - 3/10

the brooklyn nets. that's gonna' take some time getting used to....

Different architects, Ellerbe Becket did the main structure/interior and SHoP Architects did the exterior. As you can see one design team has talent and work ethic and the other.....

How is it possible that the exterior and interior are done by different architects??? Shouldn't the building have one architect responsible for all???

Ellerbe Becket had done the entire plan after the developer fired Frank Gehry. But there was such a big public outcry against the new design, which essentially plopped down a carbon copy of the Conseco Fieldhouse in Brooklyn (which works fine in Indy but would be awful at Atlantic and Flatbush). The developer then hired SHoP architects to essentially reclad the exterior and redo the front end completely.

Generally I would agree that a single firm should be responsible for a project, however in many large projects the interiors and exteriors are designed by separate teams that my collaborate some but its clear who is in control of what. Also in this case I think it was needed because Ellerbe had turned in such a tired rehash of an idea for an entirely different context.

Courtesy of Tectonic of WNY:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4147/5004920295_bdb9329b00_b.jpg

Taken on Sept 19

Also, an article from http://www.archpaper.com/e-board_rev.asp?News_ID=4862

09.30.2010
New Front Yard for Atlantic Yards
SHoP unveils design for temporary plaza outside Barclays Center arena
http://www.archpaper.com/uploads/image/Barclays-Center-Aerial-2.jpg
The plaza is designed to accommodate a crisscrossing flow of pedestrians, including commuters headed into a new, green-roofed entrance to the Atlantic Transit Terminal Hub.
Courtesy SHoP Architects

While designs for the Barclays Center arena at Brooklyn’s Atlantic Yards have been public for a year, only on Tuesday did SHoP Architects and Forest City Ratner Companies release their plans for the temporary plaza that will become the project’s initial public calling card. A nearly 39,000-square-foot triangular shape formed by the intersection of Atlantic and Flatbush avenues, the plaza consists of a wide swath of open space, punctuated by a green-roofed entrance to the Atlantic Terminal Transit Hub, and two semicircles of planters inlaid with wooden benches at the plaza’s tip.
SHoP founding principal Gregg Pasquarelli explained that the space is designed to accommodate three primary types of circulation patterns: Commuters coming from the surrounding neighborhood to the transit center entrance, fans headed into the arena, and pedestrians cutting across the plaza between Atlantic and Flatbush avenues.
http://www.archpaper.com/uploads/Barclays-Center-Flatbush.jpg
As seen from Flatbush Avenue, the plaza is ringed by planters at its tip, creating a semi-enclosed seating area.
“We tried to make the patterning of the pavement reflect circulation patterns,” Pasquarelli said, with the tightness of the concrete pavers reflecting the heaviness of expected foot traffic. Clusters of lights embedded in the paving will allow the plaza to be unobstructed by floodlights, which would also have affected the surrounding neighborhood, Pasquarelli said.
Toward the center of the plaza, the pavement extends upward to form a roof for the entrance to the transit hub. The roof will be planted with sedum, a hardy genus of flowering succulents, which SHoP predicts will complement the weathered steel on the arena’s facade. Unlike the Lincoln Center lawn, this one is strictly ornamental: A railing keeps visitors from clambering onto the roof.
http://www.archpaper.com/uploads/Barclays-Center-Atlantic.jpg
Along Atlantic Avenue, the plaza is framed by the arena's swooping canopy and the transit center entrance.

http://www.archpaper.com/uploads/Barclays-Center-Oculus.jpg
The oculus itself offers a dynamic presence overhead and helps to animate the space.
The innermost part of the plaza will be shaded by a canopy cantilevered over the arena entrance, punctuated by a 117-by-56-foot oculus that allows light down into the plaza and frames views upward toward the structure. On the inside edge of the oculus, a programmable screen will be customized for games, events, and other activities.
http://www.archpaper.com/uploads/Barclays-Center-Dean.jpg
Seen from Dean Street, the plaza, at far left, will eventually be home to one of the project's anticipated towers, becoming a glass-walled urban room at the tower's base.
The current design is intended to serve as a placeholder until economic conditions allow for the construction of the Atlantic Yards’ first office building. At that time, the portion of the plaza from the transit hub entrance to the arena will be enclosed in 80-foot-high glass walls, creating what the developers refer to as an “urban room,” with the office tower sitting on top. The team has not yet decided how the plaza will change when the office tower is added, but indicated that they hope to preserve many of its original design elements.

Julia Galef

Transit hub...So is there a current subway station already there or are they building it from scratch? How will it connect to the rest of the subway system?

There is a major subway station already built nearby with about 9 subway lines and a long island railroad terminal. It's still not certain how it will all connect with Barclays center but it would be wise to build a tunnel connecting the two.

looks horrendous

guys any recent updates?

guys any recent updates?

I drove by on Saturday, not even going vertical yet.

pics I took yesterday from the Atlantic Terminal:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4010/5166312860_6eb9968f03_b.jpg


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4086/5165711035_b318841a67_b.jpg

From curbedny. Photos by Will Femia. The first steel arrived onsite today.

http://cdn.cstatic.net/cache/gallery/4091/5202647200_087dddb138_o.jpg

the rest can be seen at, http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2010/11/23/the_barclays_center_is_brooklyns_new_man_of_steel.php#barclays-center-steel-erection-3

By Tectonic, Dec 11th.

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In the same sense that the Conseco Fieldhouse can, with one whole end of the arena totally useless. It will have good sightlines for basketball, but won't be able to support more than a minor league hockey team.

And as far as track records go in terms of fan support a couple more Canadian teams would be beneficial. Who on earth decided it would be a good idea to put a team in Pheonix or Nashville?

The Phoenix Coyotes were originally the Winnipeg Jets. Winnipeg was the smallest market in the NHL. They couldn't afford to keep the team. Where in Canada do you propose we add a couple more teams? Winnipeg or Quebec City who proved they couldn't support an NHL franchise? Canada has a team in all of its major markets.

I'm hoping the Barclays Center turns out good from an architectural standpoint.

Also, I don't see the point in only seating 17, 18, or 19 thousand. IMO, this building should seat more around 25,000.

Why build a building knowing it would only be filled at 80% capacity? Owners are building smaller arenas so they can have 100% capacity crowds and drive up demand for tickets and increase ticket prices.

The Phoenix Coyotes were originally the Winnipeg Jets. Winnipeg was the smallest market in the NHL. They couldn't afford to keep the team. Where in Canada do you propose we add a couple more teams? Winnipeg or Quebec City who proved they couldn't support an NHL franchise? Canada has a team in all of its major markets.

And many non major markets. The problem in America is that every market wants pro sports but not every market can support it. The large market teams have to have someone to put in their buildings all those nights of the year because Yankees/Red Sox or Manchester United/Liverpool wouldn't be be a draw if it were on every night. So the large market teams might want to think about subsidizing small market teams (or profit sharing or cost containment) to make sure there is competition each night.

Then again, does a league need so many teams? Los Angeles is find without the NFL. Small market teams benefit from the threat to move to Portland, Kansas City or Oklahoma City they pit one city against another for public funding. There would be a completely different landscape if every arena had to be privately owned or the league owned all the venues.

There are a lot of bad markets in the United States. Moving and building a new arena isn't the answer. People will sit in an obstructed view seat without air conditioning getting splinters if they can see Larry Bird. A new arena lasts a couple of years and the novelty wears off. You can't build one every five years to keep your team.

It's always interesting to see a race between the Cleveland Browns, Baltimore Ravens and Indianapolis Colts. How do you keep all of that straight.

The Phoenix Coyotes were originally the Winnipeg Jets. Winnipeg was the smallest market in the NHL. They couldn't afford to keep the team. Where in Canada do you propose we add a couple more teams? Winnipeg or Quebec City who proved they couldn't support an NHL franchise? Canada has a team in all of its major markets.

Hamilton, perhaps? But then the Sabres might have a problem with that.

The Phoenix Coyotes were originally the Winnipeg Jets. Winnipeg was the smallest market in the NHL. They couldn't afford to keep the team. Where in Canada do you propose we add a couple more teams? Winnipeg or Quebec City who proved they couldn't support an NHL franchise? Canada has a team in all of its major markets.

15 years ago yes Winnipeg struggled as well as Quebec City, but both teams were a success in attendance playing to capacity crowds. If any cities deserve a NHL team it is Winnipeg and Quebec City. Teams inPhoenix are a joke, along with a few others. Nashville? Atlanta? (There is a proven city NOt deserving a team!)

NYC struggles to to support more than one NHL team. What percentage do the Devils and Islanders fill?

not ready for next season?


it's a pity for Melo's signature

no offense but interior is catastrophic :ohno:

15 years ago yes Winnipeg struggled as well as Quebec City, but both teams were a success in attendance playing to capacity crowds. If any cities deserve a NHL team it is Winnipeg and Quebec City. Teams inPhoenix are a joke, along with a few others. Nashville? Atlanta? (There is a proven city NOt deserving a team!)

NYC struggles to to support more than one NHL team. What percentage do the Devils and Islanders fill?

You would think that a team that has won as many titles as (all back in the 1970s-80s but they still count) and a team that has more recent successes than the Rangers wouldn't both be struggling at the gate.

For the life of me, what is it about the Rangers that make them more popular than the other two combined? For all the bragging on the part of Islanders fans (though not much recently), they seem to can't stop Rangers fans from invading the Coliseum. It would be ironic if a franchise that was set up partly to alleviate fan frustration over the Rangers' lack of success end up moving out.

Anyway, back on topic, so this thing is actually going to be built and open to the public? Well, since the Nets are going to have their "second chance" in Brooklyn, they're going to find out that they don't have much of a margin of error to win over city fans. While basketball is much more popular in the city than hockey could ever be, it is also a city that seems to have very entrenched loyalties (which would explain the continued fan dominance of Rangers loyalists, for example).

15 years ago yes Winnipeg struggled as well as Quebec City, but both teams were a success in attendance playing to capacity crowds. If any cities deserve a NHL team it is Winnipeg and Quebec City. Teams inPhoenix are a joke, along with a few others. Nashville? Atlanta? (There is a proven city NOt deserving a team!)

I'm among the first to say the NHL over-expanded in virgin markets and should not have so completely abandoned it's fans' heartland, and if the Thrashers were part of such contraction I would understand. I'd appreciate a deeper, better explaination for your comment, though. The Thrashers are more financially sound compared to most of their recent expansion-era compatriots due to arena conditions and ownership, and continue to draw better than Phoenix and the Islanders despite some recently poor management and abysmal advertising. That the NHL itself has been so abhorant as a media property the past decade hasn't helped, but there's still a greater potential here than some other options. So tell me, how has Atlanta stood out as the one city that's proven they're not deserving?

You would think that a team that has won as many titles as (all back in the 1970s-80s but they still count) and a team that has more recent successes than the Rangers wouldn't both be struggling at the gate.

For the life of me, what is it about the Rangers that make them more popular than the other two combined? For all the bragging on the part of Islanders fans (though not much recently), they seem to can't stop Rangers fans from invading the Coliseum. It would be ironic if a franchise that was set up partly to alleviate fan frustration over the Rangers' lack of success end up moving out.

Anyway, back on topic, so this thing is actually going to be built and open to the public? Well, since the Nets are going to have their "second chance" in Brooklyn, they're going to find out that they don't have much of a margin of error to win over city fans. While basketball is much more popular in the city than hockey could ever be, it is also a city that seems to have very entrenched loyalties (which would explain the continued fan dominance of Rangers loyalists, for example).

The Rangers are an "Original Six" franchise.

I'm among the first to say the NHL over-expanded in virgin markets and should not have so completely abandoned it's fans' heartland, and if the Thrashers were part of such contraction I would understand. I'd appreciate a deeper, better explaination for your comment, though. The Thrashers are more financially sound compared to most of their recent expansion-era compatriots due to arena conditions and ownership, and continue to draw better than Phoenix and the Islanders despite some recently poor management and abysmal advertising. That the NHL itself has been so abhorant as a media property the past decade hasn't helped, but there's still a greater potential here than some other options. So tell me, how has Atlanta stood out as the one city that's proven they're not deserving?

As for the Barclays Center, I will assume that more value engineering will take place to make it less glamorous (naming rights aside).

As for the NHL expansion comment, if you want to increase your revenue, you have to be where the people are. They chose SJ, TB, NSH, ATL, and even DAL because the sunbelt and southwest is where the population of the USA is moving. MLB did the same thing in the 1960's in giving franchises to Dallas, Houston, and moving the Braves to ATL. The 2010 US Census just came out, so look at where people are leaving and that is where you do not place a franchise. You look towards where people are migrating to, especially in the US. I am not Canadian, so I cannot and will not speak for them.

Agreed, but it's one thing to be where the people are and another thing entirely to maximize your fan appeal in a market. By shifting so quickly and completely from northern teams to the southern half of the US, the NHL was essentially doing a cold-turkey turn against their traditional fanbase in exchange for the population shift. And while much of that shift featured folks leaving the northeast and midwest to populate the likes of Phoenix, Atlanta and Tampa, it didn't mean the NHL was automatically desired or welcome. Along the way the league morphed into a comical shadow of what true hockey fans knew, and so diluted the skill levels that it was difficult to watch for many (myself included).

Bottom line, the NHL has positioned itself to receive value from being in larger, growing markets, but at the least it cost itself some dignity among purists and may yet never realize the level of long-term support desired among those newer cities. Despite on-ice success the likes of Tampa and Miami (Florida) will likely never garner the home support like is known in Ottowa, Colorado, Chicago, etc. Because those communities aren't reared on hockey, and never will be.

I've enjoyed some Thrashers games and think the franchise is truly viable, but as a hockey fan in general (born in New York) I miss the more compact league that had more teams in truly hockey-loving cities.

Sorry for the thread-jacking. Back to Barclay's. :cheers:

So, anyone have any picture of the progress? If they were making any progress I would think there would be more pictures by now.

Ugh. I was hoping this arena would solves problems of both the Nets and the Islanders. Islanders in Brooklyn will allow them to make new fans. Easy accessibility, and there are a lot more people in Brooklyn.

And guys, give new markets time to develop a successful team. Look at St Louis and Washington. They are part of the nontraditional markets. They survived and are successful. to lesser extent the Kings and the Sharks. And the Stars. Nashville has been getting solid attendance lately. Phoenix got tons of local media attention last year in the playoffs. I believe they can work. NHL would no longer work in Quebec City. Maybe Winnipeg and Hamilton.

the brooklyn nets. that's gonna' take some time getting used to....

won't have to.. they are dropping the nets name

I hope it works out. I never root for NY teams but as an NBA fan I can only hope the new building in the new neighborhood, combined with getting rid of the stink of death that is the name "Nets" will get the franchise going again.

Any word on what the new name is?

Brooklyn Bombers says good ;)

Islanders Moving To Barclays Center? (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/brooklyn/2011/01/07/2011-01-07_brooklynqueens_battle_for_the_islanders_team_brewing.html?r=ny_local/brooklyn)




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Brooklyn Bombers says good ;)

Brooklyn Brawlers or New York Nationals sound better.

Brooklyn Brawler was a wrestler who would always get dominated and lose quickly. Not a good name I say.

Brooklyn Brawler was a wrestler who would always get dominated and lose quickly. Not a good name I say.

It fits the team.

They could sign up all the older 30-something free agents and call themselves the Brooklyn Codgers.

Any more photos ?

By Tectonic, 02.06.11

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Brooklyn Brawlers or New York Nationals sound better.
:lol: -- I get it...

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/02/17/alg_bruce_ratner.jpg

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/brooklyn/2011/02/17/2011-02-17_yards_dream_real__after_7yr_nightmare.html

Was there a time when Ratner didn't think it ever would be real?

"Yeah, in October of '08," he says. "Like a lot of people, I didn't know if we'd all be on breadlines. Goldman Sachs (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Goldman+Sachs+Group+Inc.) and Barclays Bank (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Barclays+plc) were always our underwriters. Greg Carey at Goldman, always a very optimistic guy, told me in October and November there was no financing available at all."

He says Carey was working on getting the Yankees financing for their new stadium and told Ratner that if that happened, the Barclays Center had a chance.

"When the Yankees got financed in January '09, it was the first glimmer of hope that we'd get financed," Ratner says. "This arena we're looking at being built required $500million in financing. A billion in total costs, including interest, land and architecture."
Also: http://www.brooklyneagle.com/categories/category.php?category_id=5&id=41466

Here are some pics I took last week:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5095/5457839774_0623521490_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8379824@N07/5457839774/)
by beanhead4529 (http://www.flickr.com/people/8379824@N07/), on Flickr


http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5092/5457234327_36ee24eae7_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8379824@N07/5457234327/)
by beanhead4529 (http://www.flickr.com/people/8379824@N07/), on Flickr


http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5135/5457235379_c0d6cc6042_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8379824@N07/5457235379/)
by beanhead4529 (http://www.flickr.com/people/8379824@N07/), on Flickr


http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5016/5457841926_31bdd9e298_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8379824@N07/5457841926/)
by beanhead4529 (http://www.flickr.com/people/8379824@N07/), on Flickr


http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5100/5457843422_52200db9fa_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8379824@N07/5457843422/)
by beanhead4529 (http://www.flickr.com/people/8379824@N07/), on Flickr

Great pics. I cant believe this is actually happening after several years.

The exterior reminds me of a brown snake in the toilet

Can't wait to come back to the Big Apple :hug:

Hopefully the Islanders move here as well. Their attendance is pathetic.

Hopefully the Islanders move here as well. Their attendance is pathetic.

Cause Icelanders fans are bandwagon.....

Source: NY Times, March 17 2011

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/03/17/nyregion/yYARDS/yYARDS-articleLarge.jpg

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/17/nyregion/17yards.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=1&adxnnlx=1300422136-ts5gZerOrpaAkXZwL214JA

There's also a WSJ article mentioning LIU, who has just returned to respectability, negotiating to play a few games at the Barclays Center when it opens.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704662604576202743850464456.html

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/28363759@N08/5518502970/

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/28363759@N08/5518505002/

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/28363759@N08/5517868519/

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/28363759@N08/5517896069/

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5304/5550511606_297be836f4_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pixeleetion/5550511606/

updates plz

Nets begin selling tickets for 2012 season in Brooklyn

NEW YORK (AP) -- The New Jersey Nets have started selling their premium season tickets for their inaugural NBA season at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn in 2012-13.



Nets chief executive officer Brett Yormark said the team has offered current season tickets holders the opportunity to buy its top ticket package, which is being called "All Access" season tickets. The offers were mailed recently.
The packages will cover 4,000 club and courtside seats in the area. Yormark said that all of the top-of-the-line All Access seats have been sold. He did not say how much they cost.
The remaining premium seats range in price from $99 to $1,500 per seat.
Season ticket holders in these premium locations will get a pass, which will allow the holder to buy tickets before the general public to non-Nets events at the Barclays Center, and also get unlimited food at designated clubs and all fixed concession stands during games.
Other benefits with the pass include a private entrance, dedicated VIP speed lines, concierge service and early access into the arena.
"We always promised anyone that was buying in New Jersey would have the right to first buy Brooklyn," Yormark said, adding the general public would be offered the chance to buy remaining premium seating in June.
Prices for the All Access premium season tickets will remain flat during the three-year required commitment. Non-premium seats probably will go on sale in the fall, Yormark said.
The Nets also announced that 2,000 tickets will be priced at $15 and under for each game, and an allotment of tickets for all events at the Barclays Center will be made available to the community, which was committed to in the Community Benefits Agreement of 2005.
Fifty percent of all season tickets will be priced at $55 or less per game, and lower level season tickets start at $65. There will be no personal seat licenses.
"Our number one priority in pricing our tickets was to ensure that Nets games are accessible to everyone," Yormark said.
The Barclays Center will have more than 200 events annually, including concerts, boxing, professional tennis, college basketball and hockey, and family shows.

from NBA.com

http://prospectheights.patch.com/articles/inside-the-barclays-center-3#photo-5526749

Cause Icelanders fans are bandwagon.....

HaHaHa!!! Pure Steve Summers! Cue the Rangers '94 replays!

They have given a date of Friday, Sept. 28, 2012 as the date of the opening of the arena.

http://www.brooklyneagle.com/categories/category.php?category_id=31&id=42503

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/photo-galleries/2011/04/26/barclays-center-construction-update-2/

Def short sighted not to have the arena capable of holding a NHL sized ice rink. Minor league hockey could have a market in downtown Brooklyn, IMO.

June 4

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3263/5798101554_817b7f1349_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/10342485@N05/5798101554/)
Barclay Center (http://www.flickr.com/photos/10342485@N05/5798101554/) by tectonic Photo (http://www.flickr.com/people/10342485@N05/), on Flickr

Exterior panel test mockup:

http://ny.curbed.com/uploads/barclaysskin_6_11.jpg

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/544419/PMU_Josh_044.jpg

Aerial of the construction site:

http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/barclays_t_110525_620_5.jpg

ugghhh....

Again, the tristate area does not need 4 indoor arenas.

ugghhh....

Again, the tristate area does not need 4 indoor arenas.

Well.... you're gettin' em.

I wish Fort Worth could have ONE modern indoor arena like that....

ugghhh....

Again, the tristate area does not need 4 indoor arenas.

Why not? Isn't this area the largest and more prestigious metro area in the United States? Shouldn't it have the most and the best?

from June 3

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2110/5796638275_e0bbd13095_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8379824@N07/5796638275/)
Barclays Center, June 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8379824@N07/5796638275/) by beanhead4529 (http://www.flickr.com/people/8379824@N07/), on Flickr


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Barclays Center, June 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8379824@N07/5796637465/) by beanhead4529 (http://www.flickr.com/people/8379824@N07/), on Flickr

ugghhh....

Again, the tristate area does not need 4 indoor arenas.

what are the 4 ?

Also them new photos are looking good. Shame it can't hot ice hocky games

what are the 4 ?


Msg... nassau colliseum... meadowlands arena... prudential center... Brooklyn...


that's 5..... talk about gluttony..

Msg... nassau colliseum... meadowlands arena... prudential center... Brooklyn...


that's 5..... talk about gluttony..
Nassau and Izod Center will likely be demolished and the other three have major-league anchor tenants.

Well...There is a alot of people in the Tri-State area.

Izod Center and Nassau Colliseum should be demolished, and a new arena for Long Island and the Islanders should be built. Moving the Islanders to Brooklyn may seem like a good idea, but Long Island needs it's own arena. For concerts, shows, ect. It's big enough. People in Long Island don't want to drive to NYC to see concerts and their Islanders, when they have had that access in their backyard for years now.

Madison Square Garden- Rangers, Knicks, Liberty, St. Johns
Prudential Center- Devils, Seton Hall, NJIT
Barclays Center- Nets
New Nassau Colliseum- Islanders

a new arena for Long Island and the Islanders should be built.

The Islanders (in my opinion) should be relocated.

Msg... nassau colliseum... meadowlands arena... prudential center... Brooklyn...


that's 5..... talk about gluttony..

Shoot, that's nothing. L.A. has 8:

Staples, the Forum, L.A. Sports Arena, Galen Center, Pauley Pavilion, Honda Center, Long Beach Arena and the Pyramid.

....Moving the Islanders to Brooklyn may seem like a good idea...
except that the Barclays' seating bowl is centered around a basketball court which makes it suboptimal for NHL hockey

Madison Square Garden- Rangers, Knicks, Liberty, St. Johns
Prudential Center- Devils, Seton Hall, NJIT
Barclays Center- Nets
New Nassau Colliseum- Islanders
Isles should relocate to another Northern market

Nassau and Izod Center will likely be demolished and the other three have major-league anchor tenants.

I agree. Nothing much happens at the Izod Center anymore.


Long Island needs it's own arena. For concerts, shows, ect. It's big enough. People in Long Island don't want to drive to NYC to see concerts and their Islanders, when they have had that access in their backyard for years now.


Isn't Brooklyn technically part of Long Island?

Shoot, that's nothing. L.A. has 8:

Staples, the Forum, L.A. Sports Arena, Galen Center, Pauley Pavilion, Honda Center, Long Beach Arena and the Pyramid.

Other than Staples and Honda, those other arenas aren't big-name venues. And I don't know if the Forum and the LA Sports Arena are being used for anything anymore.

Other than Staples and Honda, those other arenas aren't big-name venues. And I don't know if the Forum and the LA Sports Arena are being used for anything anymore.

The Forum and the Sports Arena are used all the time. Arena venues are not only used for the NBA and NHL.

Not sure what you mean by "big name". A 10,000+ seater arena is a 10,000+ seater arena. Whether it has a corporate name or is well known to the rest of the world is irrelevant.

L.A. has seven 10,000+ seat arenas.

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The Forum and the Sports Arena are used all the time. Arena venues are not only used for the NBA and NHL.

Not sure what you mean by "big name". A 10,000+ seater arena is a 10,000+ seater arena. Whether it has a corporate name or is well known to the rest of the world is irrelevant.

L.A. has seven 10,000+ seat arenas.

I meant world-renowned. As far as I know, Staples and Honda are primary L.A. venues for concerts, etc.

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Second Battle of Brooklyn.


This was the first.

http://science.discovery.com/videos/nerdabout-vlogs-battle-of-brooklyn.html

I may be going too far into the future when I ask this. But I'm just curious.

Let's say that the Barclays Center hosts a U2 concert.

How would a New Jersey resident travel to the arena if he or she lives in Monmouth County?

I suppose one can take NJT to Penn Station in Midtown Manhattan. But where should one go from there?

(By the way, I must confess that I've never used the MTA LIRR before.)

Isn't Brooklyn technically part of Long Island?



If you have ever been on the LIE (Long Island Expressway) than no. :lol:

I may be going too far into the future when I ask this. But I'm just curious.

Let's say that the Barclays Center hosts a U2 concert.

How would a New Jersey resident travel to the arena if he or she lives in Monmouth County?

I suppose one can take NJT to Penn Station in Midtown Manhattan. But where should one go from there?

(By the way, I must confess that I've never used the MTA LIRR before.)

Take the http://maps.gstatic.com/intl/en_us/mapfiles/transit/iw/us-ny-mta/sb/2.png or http://maps.gstatic.com/intl/en_us/mapfiles/transit/iw/us-ny-mta/sb/3.png Subway train, that will take you to Brooklyn, get off at Atlantic Avenue stop.

New Jersey Nets intend to provide NBA fans in Brooklyn with cheaper alternative to New York Knicks
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2011/06/06/2011-06-06_nets_eye_steal_of_garden_fans_with_cheap_tix.html#ixzz1QqSYtoey



In Alliance, Nets Arena to Offer Arts

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/30/arts/music/brooklyn-academy-to-offer-arts-at-barclays-center.html

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/06/30/arts/JPBAM/JPBAM-articleLarge.jpg

Wow, talk about mixed feelings over this arena. It looks beautiful (so far), and I want to see my Nets succeed, but I don't want my team to be out in Brooklyn! (I live in northern Bergen County). It's too bad its so good, I have to enjoy the Rock for 1 more year.

On another note, the Islanders need a new arena, but on Long Island. The fans are so passionate, and have had a team for 40 years. They would never shift alliances to the Rangers (or Devils for that matter), so its not fair to them to relocate.

this will be for 2012 - 2013 season right????

this will be for 2012 - 2013 season right????

Yes :yes:

The Forum and the Sports Arena are used all the time. Arena venues are not only used for the NBA and NHL.

Not sure what you mean by "big name". A 10,000+ seater arena is a 10,000+ seater arena. Whether it has a corporate name or is well known to the rest of the world is irrelevant.

L.A. has seven 10,000+ seat arenas.

Yeah, but it's when you move into the 17k-18k range when they start to be looked at as major arenas. A bunch of 10k arenas is nice, but it's not quite the same.

On another note, the Islanders need a new arena, but on Long Island. The fans are so passionate, and have had a team for 40 years. They would never shift alliances to the Rangers (or Devils for that matter), so its not fair to them to relocate.

They were ALL Rangers fans at 1 point............

They were ALL Rangers fans at 1 point............

:ohno:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/19/nyregion/atlantic-yards-arena-begins-taking-shape.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&ref=nyregion&src=me

"In seeking financial backing to begin construction of the towers, the company has arranged for $249 million in loans from investors in China through a government program that offers immigrants green cards in exchange for a $500,000 investment."


WTF??

So when will the nets move into this arena?

http://gothamist.com/2011/07/20/what_the_brooklyn_nets_new_home_wil.php#photo-1

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From The Gothamist:
Assuming there is basketball (and that Deron Williams doesn't just move to Turkey for good) the Nets should be playing in Brooklyn in September 2012. But first the Barclays Center, the much-debated arena over the Atlantic Yards that will be the teams home, needs to get wrapped up. Speaking of, hey! Renderings! The stadium itself is rising quickly, tickets are already on sale and today the arena has released the first renderings of the space's insides. Y'all ready for some bland interiors?
The stadium should handle 18,000 seats for basketball games (up to 19,000 for concerts) and will in theory include lots and lots of amenities by the time it opens on September 28, 2012. Think 100 luxury suites, four bars and lounges, three clubs and a restaurant. And while the just-released renderings of the $1 billion dollar building's interiors, by the firm SHoP Architects PC, aren't exactly riveting they are...something.
WONDER at the all white VIP entrance where Russian billionaires will be able to avoid the hoi polloi. MARVEL at the earth-toned main concourse which "includes a smooth terrazzo floor reflecting the lights of a night sky above with clear directional signage to seat and suite locations." STARE at the Beers of the World bar which will never in all its days look as empty as it does in SHoP's rendering and finally OGGLE the private suites that you will never be able to visit!

idiotic not to support a NHL sized rink.

idiotic not to support a NHL sized rink.

I thought it did?!? If not that's the stupidest thing ever done, especially with the islanders looking for a new home! Could have doubled the revenue right there!

idiotic not to support a NHL sized rink.

nope it doesnt ...:ohno:

It's too bad that the original design concept was not used for this arena. This looks very generic and uninspiring. The interior and exterior don't go together in my opinion. And you guys are right, to not have it support an NHL rink is beyond stupid.

nope it doesnt ...:ohno:

It would help pay off the arena faster since the Islanders are looking for a new home. Easy move really to put a NHL Ring into the design

^^Well, there is that possibility that the Islanders may not be a good fit for Brooklyn. People could still hop on the train for Newark if they don't want to see the Rangers. Yes, it would have been a bit easier for everyone if the arena had the ability to host hockey games but reality sometimes gets in the way of what you think is best.

It would help pay off the arena faster since the Islanders are looking for a new home. Easy move really to put a NHL Ring into the design
Isles should move to Quebec or Milwaukee or somewhere

^^^^ They having a vote on monday about getting bonds to help build a new arena for the team or they might move elsewhere when there contract is up

nope it doesnt ...:ohno:

Actually arena officials confirmed yesterday (http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/brooklyn/nassau_loss_leaves_door_open_klyn_iutbSZx2w7QeBpfR4O2XQO#ixzz1TsSPecVq) that it can fit an NHL sized rink. Of course, the seating for the rink will be only 14,500.

Actually arena officials confirmed yesterday (http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/brooklyn/nassau_loss_leaves_door_open_klyn_iutbSZx2w7QeBpfR4O2XQO#ixzz1TsSPecVq) that it can fit an NHL sized rink. Of course, the seating for the rink will be only 14,500.

About perfect for the isles! :lol:

Rangers fans already invade the Coliseum at Uniondale. It would be even worse in Brooklyn.

http://gothamist.com/2011/08/03/the_brooklyn_islanders_it_could_hap.php

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The Islanders Playing Hockey In Brooklyn? Hey, It Could Happen:

With Nassau County voters rejecting a proposal to use $400 million of tax-payer money to build a new hockey arena for the Islanders, the team appears to be headed for a divorce with Long Island. But it seems that they'll have a lot of suitors vying to be their next home—and number one on that list may very well end up being Brooklyn, in the Barclays Center at Atlantic Yards.

According to the Post, the Barclays Center, which will be home to the future Brooklyn Nets, will be fitted with an NHL-sized rink when it opens in September of 2012. In addition, Nets billionaire owner Mikhail Prokhorov may have an interest in purchasing the Islanders. There's at least one person who is hyped on the idea: “The Islanders belong in Brooklyn. We’ve got lots of hockey fans, and since we’re technically still on Long Island, they can call themselves the Brooklyn Islanders.’ If they come here, I would personally take the first spin on the Zamboni,’” said Borough President Marty Markowitz.

Many news sources are excitedly writing about the possibility of Brooklyn getting two major sports teams in the coming years, but there's at least one major problem with Barclays: it only would be able to hold about 14,500 seats for hockey, which would make it the smallest seating capacity for an NHL team. Then again, despite the Nassau Coliseum seating 16,234, the team only averaged 11,059 fans per game last season, worst in the NHL.

In addition, they'll likely have some competition from Seattle, Suffolk County, Quebec City, and another borough who are in the market for a sports franchise: Queens! Jack Friedman, executive director of the Queens Chamber of Commerce, told the News that they were hoping to create a sports complex with the Islanders, Mets and U.S. Open. "I really believe this is the time for Queens County to open up their arms," he said.
However, many still believe that Islanders owner Charles Wang will fight to remain on Long Island. "I have lived on Long Island for almost 60 years and it is my home. I am not giving up on Long Island and I hope you won’t either," he wrote in a letter to Islanders fans this morning. As Jay Jacobs, chairman of the Nassau County Democratic Party, put it: "I don't think Charles Wang is a quitter and I don't think he's a sore loser. Where is he going to go that's better?"

Queens and Brooklyn is Rangers country. Just renovate the damn Mausoleum!!

New York might be the headquarters of Pepsi, but don't expect to find any at the new Barclays Center when it opens over the Atlantic Yards in September 2012. Not one drop. The stadium has canceled its previous deal with the smaller Jones Soda company in exchange for a multimillion-dollar deal with the Atlanta-based soda giant.

"Our goal is making this arena all about Brooklyn—even the food and drink—and one thing that became clear to me is Brooklyn's a Coke town," Barclays Center CEO Brett Yormark told the Post. And it is true, the old Pepsi-Cola plant and the sign that go with it are in Queens, not Brooklyn. Anyway, as part of the deal—said to be similar to the seven-year $1.7 million annual deal the stadium previously signed with Jones—Coke will reportedly be treating fans with "special Brooklyn-themed flavored beverages" along with the company's trademark sodas.

But for now the company is keeping mum as to what those special drinks will be, so we can only speculate. In honor of the Atlantic Yards' troubled history, perhaps will there be a Gatorade flavor called NIMBYade? When Life Gives You NIMBYs, make NIMBYade! Or maybe a Coca-Cola Net Loss drink to replace Diet Coke? It burns calories, and your hopes of a successful NBA franchise, just drinking it! Meh. Somehow we suspect the final products will be more like In A New York Minute Maid. How would you flavor a Brooklyn-themed beverage?

http://gothamist.com/2011/08/08/coke_will_make_special_sodas_for_th.php

^^^^ Pee in it ?

Two words: Egg creams!

I imagine Brooklyn Beer must be involved then.

http://media.nj.com/nets_impact/photo/9837599-large.jpg

http://video-embed.nj.com/services/player/bcpid619329501001?bctid=1083562155001

From NJnets.com

There is no stopping it now.

“It’s coming,” Nets general manager Billy King said Wednesday of the Barclays Center, his team’s billion-dollar arena under construction in downtown Brooklyn. “You know it now. I think all the negative people not believe it’s going to happen — we don’t have to show pictures anymore.”

King was standing in what will be the main concourse of the building, addressing reporters about the structure, which is about 60 percent complete and on schedule for its anticipated opening in the fall of 2012.

With the NBA lockout in effect and teams basically under a league gag order as far as talking about the work stoppage or players, the Nets are left to focus their efforts on the new building, which is growing daily at Flatbush and Atlantic avenues.

Talking to the regular beat reporters who normally cover the Nets during the season, King spoke about how he envisions the arena to spur an economic boom for Brooklyn, the way he said the United Center did in Chicago, and the Staples Center did in downtown Los Angeles.

“I think a lot of people fought (the building of the arena), but I think once it’s built, they’ll realize — five, six years from now, this area will be booming,” he said.
Of course, Newark and New Jersey will be left without a professional basketball team when that happens. So what is King’s plan to try to persuade New Jerseyans who have supported the Nets since they first moved to the Garden State in 1977 to come to games this season?

“The way I’m approaching it is, have a great season, and build as much excitement and win as many games as possible, so that your fans are enjoying the team,” King said. “And it’s not like the team is leaving and going to San Diego. It’s going to be in the area, so that fans, they may not be able to get to every game, but they still can get to (some). The mass transit system is great. I did it. It’ll be easier, I think. A lot of people at the games, sometimes the Meadowlands wasn’t easy — Newark, I think, has given them an easier time to get to, and I think this’ll be the same.”

Because of the NBA’s rules prohibiting comment on the lockout, King couldn’t address the subject of Deron Williams’ signing to play in Turkey during the lockout, nor could he talk about the likelihood the Nets will be able to keep Williams, who can opt to become a free agent in 2012. To this point, the team had pinned much of its marketing of the Nets in Brooklyn on the notion it would re-sign Williams, and add quality free agents that would make the team a winner as it enters its new home.

The United Center spurred development in Chicago????? Huh???

The United Center spurred development in Chicago????? Huh???

Didn't say 'development', it said it would spur an economic boom. That doesn't necessarily mean a building boom.

Didn't say 'development', it said it would spur an economic boom. That doesn't necessarily mean a building boom.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the United Center did not spur economic development in Chicago...

Didn't say 'development', it said it would spur an economic boom. That doesn't necessarily mean a building boom.

If by development or economic boom you mean tearing down some of the adjacent public housing projects, then sure. If anyone is thinking we'll see the second coming of LA Live on what is currently parking lot, they'll be waiting awhile.

Not much to do with the arena but the Nets had just signed a 10-year extension of their TV contract with the YES Network. That will now take them to the 2031-32 season.

http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/8/22/2376911/nets-yes-settle-rights-deal-with-big-bump-in-fees-extension

Barclays update:

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Only idiots build a new arena that can't fit a NHL rink.

Only idiots build a new arena that can't fit a NHL rink.

... does it HAVE to have an NHL rink?

... does it HAVE to have an NHL rink?

If they want to make make far more income than Disney on Ice, yes.

If they want to make make far more income than Disney on Ice, yes.

Then they had best consider getting a different team than the Islanders :)

In all seriousness, not every building aspires to be the host of every possible event imaginable. Considering this project was nearly sued out of existence multiple times, went through countless revisions, and is mainly a cornerstone of one of the more epic recent land grabs, I'm sure there came a point where the consensus was to just hurry up and get something built to avoid the potential of yet another delay/stoppage. It's a lot harder to stop a project when it's standing there halfway completed.

As for the Isles, considering their own plans have been out there for the better part of a decade, why would the Nets brass go out of there way to accommodate the team? With MSG, The Rock, and The Coliseum/its replacement out there, the NY/NJ metro area may be able to accommodate a lot of NHL caliber facilities but that doesn't mean it needs yet another. It's not like they were going to place a fourth team in the area.

Only idiots build a new arena that can't fit a NHL rink.

Is the NHL really that important? no.

Is the NHL really that important? no.

In New York yes, in Dallas? NO! Does Dallas have a team? :lol:

In New York yes, in Dallas? NO! Does Dallas have a team? :lol:

ugh.

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Me questioning the use of hockey for this particular arena is just asking why since it is New York. Doesn't the NY/NJ metro area have like a million other arenas that can hold hockey? I'm just saying THIS arena doesn't exactly have to have hockey. Just not the way I see it.

Is the NHL really that important? no.

YES it bloody well is. Ice hockey is life.

In New York yes, in Dallas? NO! Does Dallas have a team? :lol:

Yes, and they have won a Cup while your new york teams have been trying.....ish...can we really even call it trying?

(excluding the Devils in New Jersey.)

ugh.

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Me questioning the use of hockey for this particular arena is just asking why since it is New York. Doesn't the NY/NJ metro area have like a million other arenas that can hold hockey? I'm just saying THIS arena doesn't exactly have to have hockey. Just not the way I see it.

Actually, NY/NJ area don't have many places that can hold NHL hockey (There are only 4. MSG, Long Island, Meadowlands and Newark. Long Island and Meadowlands would only be viable if they were demolished and new arenas put in their place.). The builders of Barclay's screwed up when they changed from the original Frank Gehry design, which did have hockey and basketball in mind.

Actually, NY/NJ area don't have many places that can hold NHL hockey (There are only 4. MSG, Long Island, Meadowlands and Newark. Long Island and Meadowlands would only be viable if they were demolished and new arenas put in their place.). The builders of Barclay's screwed up when they changed from the original Frank Gehry design, which did have hockey and basketball in mind.

Only 4? Some cities in this country don't even have one good enough for just NBA....



I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I just don't feel it SHOULD have hockey. I guess they just didn't want hockey in Brooklyn? Maybe Jay-Z wanted it to be cheeper? :dunno:

Who knows?

He's got 99 problems but hockey aint one.

He's got 99 problems but hockey aint one.

Maybe, but he's also got a kid on the way.

He'll be up to about 114 in a few years...

Jay-Z will inaugurate the Barclays Center with a series of headlining concerts next September.

Jay-Z will inaugurate the Barclays Center with a series of headlining concerts next September.

oh joy...........

^^and if I read well they can have...eight concerts of him :nuts:

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This arena is going to be a sexy as hell arena!!

^^ Have you seen the renders of the inside? I like the exterior, but the layout of the interior looks hideous.