Hey I'm having a bit of a problem picturing where this is happening in the CBD so I have thought of an idea that may help people like me to see where all the action is happening in the CBD.

I know we've got a few of you out there who can work wonders with Paint Shop Pro, etc., so I was thinking maybe someone can draw up a map of the CBD and point out on this map where the developments such as 8 Exhibition St, Eureka, etc., are happening.

The map could be located in a separate thread alongside the Victorian FAQ, Quick Links to Melbourne Projects, etc., threads so if people from interstate, o/seas or just like me want to know where the hell something is being built, they can simply have a look at the map.

What do we all think? :D

yes, getting RIGHT back on track, I think it's fair to say from now right up until Christmas there'll be a mad dash to get a lot of concrete pumped into this thing, it looked like they were setting up semi-permanently on the left lane of Exhibition Street outbound the other day when I went past.

Looks like they're building floorplates (?) right up next to the core silvermb:

http://metropolis.tayser.net/misc/ey3010031.jpg

and just for good measure:

http://metropolis.tayser.net/misc/ey3010032.jpg

Another enormous core! I think SXE is bigger though.

Blue

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hint hint, anyone been near it recently?

Originally posted by tayser
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hint hint, anyone been near it recently?
I can't get to a window facing 11E or HWT anymore - but I do have a view of the Big E! Fair trade.

Originally posted by Blabbyboy
I can't get to a window facing 11E or HWT anymore - but I do have a view of the Big E! Fair trade.

no it's not! Everyone posts enough bout E, not enough bout the East End, damn you for moving floors! lol :)

Originally posted by tayser
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hint hint, anyone been near it recently?

Yeah - went there today. It's starting to look OK.

http://hyperhealth.customer.netspace.net.au/IMGP0587.JPG

http://hyperhealth.customer.netspace.net.au/IMGP0589.JPG

^^ wrong project phil ;)

Phaaaaaat core:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/510/1358exhibition1191203.jpg

1pm on a Friday and the Victorian Construction industry is hard at work:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/510/1358exhibition2191203.jpg

8E vs. 11E:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/510/1358exhibition3191203.jpg

no core rise however it looks like they've been going hammer and tong beefing up the cavities between the core and the old HUN building, too many workers around to take pics (can't get good angle from Flinders Street anyhow), but yeah - 2 or 3 more core rises and it'll be visible over the top of the old HUN building

:guns1:

2nd crane going up for the HWT site today...

:carrot:

About bloody time, now they can go at it like Hammer and Tong (whoever they are) ..

I think I saw the top of the core box just peeking above the roofline of the HWT building as well from the City Link extension near Birrarung Marr..

tays.. just wondering if you should put in brackets in the Topic Title - '8 Exhibition Street (HWT Redev) or something. '8 Exhibition St' may be the official title but we've always referred to it as HWT or E&Y@HWT and even I had trouble finding it today!

Quick question for you guys. What does "HUN" stand for (and I did have a look at the FAQS thread before asking this question ;) )?

Herald Sun

:)

Aha! Thanks for the headsup tays :D Who thought of that acronym btw?

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/lukekasper/8E1.jpg


Next rise and it will be above the facade.

^^ absolutely, we'll also see what they're going to do, in detail, with the insides of the shell of the old HWT building soon - it's all happening at 8E :D

The eastern crane is up and running and the core is now peeping over the top of the old H&WT building. It is clearly visible from the Sandringham train (outside the National Tennis Centre & Fed Sq) yesterday & this morning.

I love this building !

its going to make a great addition to the paris end of collins st !

lozza :dooby:

more like the Montparnasse end of Collins Street

Originally posted by Daffy
more like the Montparnasse end of Collins Street
Don't you mean the La Defense end of Rue Collins?

it's the frikkin East End.

ORRITE? :)

Aussie Steve: which train and where from? the Flinders Street tracks? Richmond Junction? Clifton Hill group? DETAILS! :)

tays dont worry about the trains, get those big legs pumping, the core's visible from street level

check out the two guys at the end of the jib, who'd want to be a crane rigger?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/510/483hwt_20040206.jpg

:cool:

I rig tower cranes when im not driving them,believe me its piss easy work and you get paid a shitload of money plus the views are out of this world :)

Originally posted by FAVELLE
I rig tower cranes when im not driving them,believe me its piss easy work and you get paid a shitload of money plus the views are out of this world :)

What would those guys be doing out there Favelle :? Bearing in mind the closest I've gotten to driving one of these beasts is being a 'crane chaser'. That's what it was called at a place where I used a crane that moved on rails :D

It looks like they have just finished reeving up the hoist rope the guys at the end of the boom would be there to make sure the hoist rope is running true over the pulleys in the head section which is the covered section right at the tip of the boom.:)

We have a core rise and pour(arm was in use)visiable from the train today with a big we are leasing on the side.

Originally posted by kasperluke
We have a core rise and pour(arm was in use)visiable from the train today with a big we are leasing on the side.

music to mah ears - will add 8E to the list of must updates then, cheers kasper :)

There was a major core rise yesterday and now its clearly visable from the Sandringham train line and from Batman Ave too.

I'm not sure if there was a core rise yesterday (It was already clearly above the roofline of HWT last week as well..)

But most definately a core pour today.. We'll have to take notice if it's a pour'n'rise in one ala. PWC or if it's a pour'n'wait a few days ala Big E etc..

how hard would it be to get permission to get up there and take photos of the core or get a crane driver to?

Originally posted by Aussie Steve
There was a major core rise yesterday and now its clearly visable from the Sandringham train line and from Batman Ave too.

and now visible from Richmond too :D

http://metropolis.tayser.net/projects/cbd/8e/ey11e2402041.jpg

:banana2:

just looking at elevation of E&Y. the parapet of old bldg is 25m high, so core would be approx 32m high?
the twin radio towers are 67m, for future reference.Its gonna be weird seing a bldg go up in this neck of woods.
also if you want comparison of height compared to lev35 of Regent Hotel behind, the RL of the observatory is 162m, so E&Y will reach a further 16m or 5 floors higher.This will be a great spot for future pix!
The adjacent Shell hs (SAI) has a LMR height of RL150m.

Can anyone confirm that there's been a core-rise on this one recently?
I only caught a glimpse of it from the train this afternoon, but it looked like the actual core was visible, rather than just the corebox as in tayser's last pic.

Yes there have been two core rises recently...looks like this is going half a floor at a time? As the core reads 7A and 7AA? So the core is now visible above the facade and the top of the box is a couple above the facade.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/510/483hwt_20040310.jpg

^There has been one more core rise since smb's pic above..with 7AA visible. When did you take that pic?

Now stunningly visible from the south side of the yarra. Another one thats now at long last starting to rise.

http://metropolis.tayser.net/projects/cbd/8e/8e1903041.jpg

http://metropolis.tayser.net/projects/cbd/8e/8e1903043.jpg

http://metropolis.tayser.net/projects/cbd/8e/8e1903044.jpg

We have a core rise. Level 9 now visable under the core. How many in the core? 2?

This development is moving along very quickly. It was only a week or so ago that I noticed the core had moved to 8 and now 9! That's fast.

Yeah the core is motoring along!! Core pour today so Level "10" exposed soon..

Also saw the first what looks like floorplate scaffolding on the west side, though the east side floor is still at least a level or two below the HWT roofline..

A.

PS. I use "10" because what is the real floor height?? We have 7A & 7AA etc so this could actually be Level 12 !! ?

Corerise. Level 10, was exposed as of 10am this morning?! They are really going on this one! So that poured yesterday and it had risen by this morning? that is fast!

Does anyone know why there is a 7aa and 7a??

Corerise. Level 10, was exposed as of 10am this morning?! They are really going on this one! So that poured yesterday and it had risen by this morning? that is fast!

Does anyone know why there is a 7aa and 7a??

The yellow pillars! The gap between the old building and the glass box perhaps?!

last week, seems the void between the office tower and hwt building will remain. the office towers' columns are appearing along Exhibition st. the stationary pump used to move the concrete is right in the bowels of the old hwt building, tight squeeze to get in

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/hwt.JPG

It's sure gonna be interesting in the next few months from that Flinders Street Car park!

Look out, he's getting artsy fartsy ;)

loving yer first pic. Qualité

http://www.statelibrary.vic.gov.au/pictures/0/0/1/im/pi001686.jpg

Go 1976 you good thing! :)

Love the photos of CP. Note the loading bays have no ends/gates and the size and luffing configuration of the cranes. Antique and very vintage photo!!

Now all we need is cul to come bolting in with all the stats on CP and my evil scheme to steal the show from silvermb will be complete ;)

joking, we dont want that, or else the pics will cease... LOL.

back on topic

http://www.eybuilding.com.au/images/image01.jpg

Love the photos of CP. Note the loading bays have no ends/gates and the size and luffing configuration of the cranes. Antique and very vintage photo!!Good observations there Favco750. A vintage form of the jump-form system too, by the looks of it....I'd say in its experimental but trustworthy stages.

BTW I'm hoping that the Herald neon sign will be kept in paying homage to the building's (or rather edifice's) history. Anyone know if the neon is a heritage item or if the developers are keeping it anyway. Maybe HWT will pay a fee for the continuing great exposure.

From the images I have seen of the finished product in C+Bus Literature and other places, I believe it is staying. Listed or not, fee payable or not - I don't know, but I am sure it is staying!

The HERALD SUN sign is definately staying, as are the radio towers, they are both heritage listed.

Ta. :)

CORE RISE. It is really moving!

Level 11 now exposed.

Yeah , noticed the core rise on the train yesterday.

This site is going to be great in my opinion. I love the contrast and combination of the new tower and the old faceade of the Herald Sun Building !

That's the great thing about Melbourne, we tend to combine modern and gothic like old architecture too ! Such examples include Le Meridian at Rialto , the ANZ bank on Collins St , 120 Collins Street with the Church down below , and of course the Shot Tower at Melbourne Central !

You've Gotta Love it ! :grouphug: :grouphug:

cheers

Lozza

Looks like the first visible concrete support pourings around the floorplate are visible above the HWT building, so I'd say the floorplates are up to roof level already. This wasn't really evidently clear from the last batch of pics..

Level 12 exposed!

cool, its now a skyscraper-
http://images.animfactory.com/animations/alphabets/sway/1_md_wht.gifhttp://images.animfactory.com/animations/alphabets/sway/2_md_wht.gif

i wonder if its still going to definitely have the Yellow Stilts :puke: :toilet: :mad2: :evil:

HOPE NOT :puke:

Grey or Red would be more appropriate me thinks :cool: :bleh:

cheers :drunk:

Lozza

do we know for sure what this will look like in the end???????????

the stilts are a horrible idea - what a waste of space!

i like the yellow stilts...

Melbourne is GREY enough as it is with the shit weather and all, why would u want more greyness-its just depressing, believe me i feel depressed and when the day is grey its even worse

Yeah sure, let's just design our newer buildings around your moods, yeah why not!... :|

And I find when it's a beautiful day the city is vibrant, colourful and alive. Oh wait, that's what it's like on grey days too. My mistake.


Footnote 1. See QV thread as a start.

I really don't get the whole Sydneysiders screaming "Melbourne = bleak city!" thing and whingeing about our rainfall. Especially when you consider the fact that sydney not only has more rainfall - around twice as much - but more rainy days:

http://www.optometry.unimelb.edu.au/misc/weather.html

But who cares? Rain is rain. In fact Melbourne really needs more of it. Personally, I've never felt the need to go on the net and yell and scream about how crap another city's weather is... is there a name for this disorder? (I'd certainly call it a disorder, like tourettes).


Oh well. Move along. Nothing to see here. Now resuming your regular programming.

I really don't get the whole Sydneysiders screaming "Melbourne = bleak city!" thing and whingeing about our rainfall. Especially when you consider the fact that sydney not only has more rainfall - around twice as much - but more rainy days:
.

Nah, Sydney doesn't have to whinge about Melbourne weather because they don't live there :)

"Bleak City" is a friendly stab, almost affectionate, though I find it a little insecure.

Sydney has more sunshine per year which makes it less "bleak", though their winters aren't exactly "Lets go to Bondi".

the bleak city tag I don't mind if it's in reference to dark clean bluestone and the architecture of, say 101 collins or 120 collins, dark and looming and stylish (did anyone see The Bank on TV tonight?) but I think more often than not it's an insecurity thing, yeah..

What amuses / confuses me is when Channel 9's Today show (from Sydney) gives a forecast for rain in melbourne almost every day despite being able to look outside to a window full of blue sky (and even when the Bureau says otherwise, and even during our recent several month spell of practically no rain and clear blue skies every day). Maybe that's where the perception of Melbourne being rainy comes from.

Oh well.

Anyway, back on topic.. noting the 7A/7AA levels in the core.. might have to have a poke around in those at some stage when it's finished and see where they've hidden the portal into a moderately well-known celebrity's head..

OMG How did the myth of Sydney's perception of Melbourne's weather get dragged into this?

The Today Show would get there info from the BOM and the bureau's predictions are often off for Sydney as well. Ironically the BOM's head office is in Lonsdale and soon moving to 700 Collins. :|

As far as the E & Y Tower goes, it wouldn't need fancy coloured sticks. Just classy glass rising from the older Sun Herald edifice would be suitable.

Grey is Gothic, like Melbourne , so thats why i think its appropriate !

But i did say that red would be good too, i just don't like yellow for some reason :puke:

Cheers

Lozza

Guys haven't you yet learnt julz is a troll ??

But I totally agree with the Today show thing - they *always* used to put rain icons if there is even the slightest hint of cloud.

They don't get Melbourne has about 100+ days a year when it is overcast but *never* rains a drop.

lol

the bleak city tag I don't mind if it's in reference to dark clean bluestone and the architecture of, say 101 collins or 120 collins, dark and looming and stylish (did anyone see The Bank on TV tonight?) but I think more often than not it's an insecurity thing, yeah..

What amuses / confuses me is when Channel 9's Today show (from Sydney) gives a forecast for rain in melbourne almost every day despite being able to look outside to a window full of blue sky (and even when the Bureau says otherwise, and even during our recent several month spell of practically no rain and clear blue skies every day). Maybe that's where the perception of Melbourne being rainy comes from.

Oh well.

Anyway, back on topic.. noting the 7A/7AA levels in the core.. might have to have a poke around in those at some stage when it's finished and see where they've hidden the portal into a moderately well-known celebrity's head..

How GOOD did Melbourne look in The Bank?! Especially dark, brooding, sinister, menacing 120 Collins. READ MY TAG: The BLEAKER, the BETTER!!! I love it!!! Bluestone all the way, baby! All our buildings should be built in shades of grey - black and white city, baby!!! Muahahahahahahh!!! :borg:

Oh yeah, Julz - Sydney is so much more successful and bright and sunny - their buildings are soooo much nicer, I go on about that all the time, and it makes me want to visit over and over again!!! :D :D :D

Not. :runaway:

oooops I thought I went into the PROJECT: 8 Exhibition Street [E&Y Plaza] must be in the wrong thread.... hmmmm

This is going to be a very big addition to this south east corner of the CBD. I don't think many people know about this one!

^^ you just repeated yerself (see yer post before last)

http://metropolis.tayser.net/projects/cbd/8e/ey1405041.jpg

Hey, somebody pinched the E!

It's been a long time since we have seen a fat core like this go up in Melbourne.

fat, or actually [perfectly] square? :)

Cool Core!
How do I get out of my lift?

Level 13 exposed. The Core rose this morning at about 10am.

BigVman, there is a lift door on the left hand side looking north, but it is pretty small for the core hey!

Yessiree, thisy here is looking like a real building [core] now ;)

How GOOD did Melbourne look in The Bank?! Especially dark, brooding, sinister, menacing 120 Collins. READ MY TAG: The BLEAKER, the BETTER!!! I love it!!! Bluestone all the way, baby! All our buildings should be built in shades of grey - black and white city, baby!!! Muahahahahahahh!!! :borg:

Oh yeah, Julz - Sydney is so much more successful and bright and sunny - their buildings are soooo much nicer, I go on about that all the time, and it makes me want to visit over and over again!!! :D :D :D

Not. :runaway:

are u the dragon master.....
:fiddle:

u really trying to make melbourne surreal strange idea...

you're missing an indefinite article or two in that last sentence plotstyle...

why the bleaker the better blabbyboy?

Well he said so here:

Especially dark, brooding, sinister, menacing 120 Collins. READ MY TAG: The BLEAKER, the BETTER!!!

I tend to agree. however there's an exception: Casselden Place. Actually that area's going to be a weird mix of coloured skyscraper wall soon, really dark, conversative bleakness to lighter & mirrored greens to...............Pink & blue.

....A recipe for a cocktail guaranteed to blow your head off - what was that one you were talking bout on friday night silvermb? Chetruce (sp?) and something ;)

...A recipe for a cocktail guaranteed to blow your head off - what was that one you were talking bout on friday night silvermb? Chetruce ;)

green or yellow?

theres a shot you can have called a heart attack if we ever have another meeting...
:drunk:

It's been a long time since we have seen a fat core like this go up in Melbourne.

Took the words right out of my mouth Grollo. That's one fat core! Hey guys, I was trying to find the stats on this tower but couldn't find anything in the FAQs thread or at the start of the thread itself. Unfortunately I don't get the time to check every thread ;) Anyone care to give some brief stats? Ta! :)

not to deviate too far off topic tays

pipecleaner - shot of chatreuse, shot of bourbon, shot of tabasco sauce layered upon one another.

gets rid of a cold and a few other vital organs all at once.

as for your question as to which design is being built, wait until the form appears for the first floor above the void for a definite answer; i'm guessing its the plain blue/yellow and not the hybrid

chatreuse

there are two different colours ones weaker than the other so what colour? :cheers:

Cool Core!
How do I get out of my lift?

If I'm right, this is the part of the building where there are no habitable floors....the 'stilt' area. Perhaps there will be lift exits further up the core?

interesting you should say that, I think there'd only be 3 - 4 levels of no habitable floors (going by the renders available).

gets rid of a cold and a few other vital organs all at once.

:rofl:

Some of the yellow stilts have been completed whilst others are still being formed.

yeah, they looked to be up around Level 8 against the core numbers. Business end of it all now folks :guns1:

This is moving this corebox! Level 14 exposed.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/lukekasper/E11141.jpg

From this afternoon:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid121/pceb1b0adde50f576809d7e42a7b0353a/f84e7065.jpg

That angle could quite possibly be the only one where you'll eventually see all 7 of the big 500+ footers in the lower East end. I am loving this - nothing but big mumma skyscrapers :guns1:

check out the original (http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid121/pceb1b0adde50f576809d7e42a7b0353a/f84e7065.jpg.orig.jpg) (copy shortcut and paste into new browser if it doesn't work by just clicking) - you have a clear "money shot" view down Exhibition.

awesome stuff as usual FCDB - long time no see your pics! :D :D

A new web site has been established for the apartments in the old Herald & Weekly Times Building in Flinders Street.

www.heraldliving.com

I'd go an apartment there no sweat [I'd just need to work out how to scunge enough to buy ;)]

thanks for that A. Steve.

i agree with tayser... great location no money

Core now appears to be almost half the height of 1 Spring Street (SAI / Shell) - or at least it alludes to that fact from Princes Bridge ;)

perspective, core as at 4th March this year:

http://metropolis.tayser.net/tours/040304/rooftop10.jpg

a fairly decent run in the past 3 months!

Melbourne is so damn awesome..

How comes we don't see pics of US cities with heaps of UC buildings?

COS THEY SUCK!! j/k

Level 15 is now exposed on this one. Not sure when the core rose, just happened to notice it from the train this morning.

fantastic pic of melb there tays

Yeah this baby is humming along nicely .. one thing is for sure though..

The Core is *definately* lopsided!! .. You can totally notice it driving up the Citylink Exhibition St extension .. it is tilted slightly down to the right..

Oh well as long as the core goes up straight I spose - nearly all the yellow-peril stilts appear to be done so not far from first floorplate being laid..

Level 16 exposed:
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~naharrison/8 ex core web.jpg

The poles at full height:
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~naharrison/8expweb.jpg

Making an impact on the view from Jolimont:
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~naharrison/8 ex from jolimont web.jpg

The poles from behind:
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~naharrison/8 ex poles from behind web.jpg

Question is: are they going to break out with the yellow tins of Dulux Weatherguard and splash it all over said poles!

great pics nevertheless Grollo

This thing's fucking mowing along!

I wonder if the stilts are going to go all the way around the building? It looks like they are only 1/2 way round the core at the moment. ( i.e. - just the west and south sides )

cheers

lozza

Wow cool pics. I think the poles are going to look just fine when this building is complete. Only time will tell bla bla bla

I wonder if the stilts are going to go all the way around the building? It looks like they are only 1/2 way round the core at the moment. ( i.e. - just the west and south sides )

cheers

lozza

They go all the way around. Here is a pic of the poles at the back of the tower:
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~naharrison/8ex rear web.jpg

You can see why the people in the apartments behind didn't want this tower to go ahead, not much of a gap there.

nice shots!

No wonder I couldn't see the poles - I was looking out for bright yellow things!!!! hahahaha!

The poles look awfully close to the core - will they actually hold anything up, or will it just be a design element to give the impression of disconnect from the heritage HWT podium, with the floor plate ending just a little bit behind the poles with a recessed facade similar to the top of 101 Collins after the glass buttresses recede behind the main facade? Does anyone know what I'm talking about here?

I don't think most people realise how BIG this building is going to be.

The poles look awfully close to the core - will they actually hold anything up, or will it just be a design element to give the impression of disconnect from the heritage HWT podium, with the floor plate ending just a little bit behind the poles with a recessed facade similar to the top of 101 Collins after the glass buttresses recede behind the main facade? Does anyone know what I'm talking about here?

The poles are the main structural columns which hold up the floorplates, they will extend all the way up the tower and will be just behind the glass facade from level 8 up.

This is one unique building !

I Love it ! :rock:

Cheers

Lozza

Just seeing those image, and actually being able to see the core from Level 12, 120 Collins Street i had to go back through this thread to remember what it was going to look like.

http://www.eybuilding.com.au/

:)

This is going up pretty damn quick. But once the plates start, I'm sure it will slow down a little, maybe.

yeah, both this and Southern Cross look to have opened a can of whooparse of late and started really climbing. :rock:

On friday they looked to have just started on the first floorplate for this tower, and also the core won't neccessarily slow down as the floorplates start accelerating: just look at your very own building during its construction joed:

http://www.thehoddlegrid.net/dump/142135.jpg

http://www.thehoddlegrid.net/dump/142132.jpg

Level 17 exposed! It is flying! (i think in Grollo's picks it is only at 16?)

WOW :uh: I'd totally forgotten what this tower is going to look like! She's going to be bloody huge and very impressive! When I was looking at tays' pics I thought the bottom one was the big E it was so big!

Level 17 exposed! It is flying! (i think in Grollo's picks it is only at 16?)

chyeah - I think I spotted a bit of corebox from Federation Square just tonight as well ;)

the crane's certainly lit up well!

I just had a look at the website for the tower ! This building is totally cool
& being fully glass , It will be a refreshing change from all the concrete buildings at the paris end of collins street !

And the bonus is , if the yellow stilts don't fit , well , they can just paint them a different colour ! :rock:

Cheers

Lozza :lock:

I hope the Yellow columns will be finished in Yellow ALPOLIC aluminium cladding rather than just painted:

http://www.alpolic.com/image_main/color/01_b.gif

The yellow columns at QV are finsihed in aluminium cladding. I'm not worried about the colour, DCM always seem to make a bit of colour work on their buildings it looks really cool at QV.

WOW :uh: I'd totally forgotten what this tower is going to look like! She's going to be bloody huge and very impressive! When I was looking at tays' pics I thought the bottom one was the big E it was so big!
Ciao, were you confused ? The Tayser pics i think you are referring to are of 120 Collins during its construction phase, posted for someone working there - i.e. not E&Y

he's talking about the renders from the building's own site bronte: www.eybuilding.com.au

http://www.eybuilding.com.au/images/building.gif http://www.eybuilding.com.au/images/image03.jpg

etc

updated pics from today:

my suspicions were correct, corebox now visible from Fed. Square / FSS

http://www.thehoddlegrid.net/projects/updates/cbd/8e/8e0607041.jpg

nice elevation :banana2:

http://www.thehoddlegrid.net/projects/updates/cbd/8e/8e0607042.jpg

Facade restoration / protection?? anyone?

http://www.thehoddlegrid.net/projects/updates/cbd/8e/8e0607043.jpg

:horse:

Yes , the old faceade will be restored along with the construction of the new tower. i am loving the look of this one more and more each day ! :horse:

So , exactly how many stories is this baby above ground and how many metres above ground again ?? I am guessing 40 stories and 165 metres roughly

cheers :cheers:

Lozza :lock:

I'm really glad the tallest of the four setbacks (ie. upper roof) is at the leading edge of the building on Flinders St, and not setback at the rear..

This will help give the tower maxi height appearance from the only angle that matters (Yarra River perspective) despite it's lower RL & Height Above ground compared to Collins Place..

A-Brain: It's probably a carbon copy of the same concept that's graced the same street for over 10 years: 242 Exhibtion Street ;)

You mean Telstra?? Yeah sure but I'm just saying logically they coulda put the tallest setback at the rear so it has a 'staircase' effect upwards from the Yarra towards CP - would perhaps looked more Feng Shwee but not lookin as tall!! :rock:

THERE IS ANOTHER CORE POUR ON THIS BABY TODAY ( THURSDAY ) :eek2:

Shit , this one is really flying ! it will top out in no time i reckon ! :banana2:

Cheers :cheers:

Lozza :lock:

http://www.thehoddlegrid.net/dump/tbitchhq0807041.jpg

Noticed on Friday lots floorplate scaffolding being hauled into the site so definately will be into the main section soon..

Yeah as the lozzmeister has noticed they are not mucking around with the core!!! Just pouring away seemingly every few days.. it's incredibly already as tall as 11E across the road !!

tbitchhq0807041.jpg hahahahah

this evil building is one of my favorites...

I didn't see the crane moving at all whilst I was manouvering for the best view. Is it normal for them to leave something hanging on the crane like this? :uh:

http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~ciaobella/Scott/E&Y110704.jpg

@Tayser- thats the best pic ive ever seen of that black beauty. Very noice

Nice work ciao!! There's the new big blue floorplate scaffolding I was talking about.. Floorplates'R'Us from now on!

To answer your question ciao - favco probably knows better than I but I'd say that weight they are hanging is to balance the crane while doing a crane rise..

I noticed they did the same thing when raising the Eureka crane last time - perhaps keeps the boom steadier in the wind?

http://www.melbournephotos.net/pics/2004-07-15%20Melbourne%20-%20Eastern%20CBD/IMG_3924.jpg

just looking at my plans to update diagram, so is level18 in core atm?that = 75m above grd.the radio masts are 67m above grd.so slightly higher.
also is lev8 the first office level?
lozza- it will be 164.5m high. or 42 levels.

Thanks CUL ,

I think there are 3 level 7's in this building .

Level 7 , 7 A and 7 AA

How Bizzare ! :dunno:

Cheers

Lozza :lock:

HWT - Herald and Weekly Times.

Starting to show itself:
http://members.optusnet.com.au/haksoz/Images/Work%20Exp/P7151423.JPG

Now up to Level 19 and 20 inside the core box! Yipeeeeee

The floor plates are also moving quite fast.

The core has gone up 4 levels in 4 weeks! If it keeps going at this rate it will be topped out by Christmas!!!

on the ball aussie steve they also have a massive demco or something painted on the core

It actually says "DECCO "

It is a big banner on the core advertising a building company

Cheers

Lozza :lock:

Yeah the pessimist in me thinks they accellerated the core rises early to get that big bastard DECCO sign on there.. I have a funny feeling it's gonna sit on it's ass now for a few weeks while the floor plates catch up..

Remember you heard it here first on ANN !! (ABrain-News-Network)

^^ Hehehe !

Ditto ! :bash: :rant:

Cheers

Lozza ! :lock:

You never know - E&Y are a big paying client, maybe want to impress by bringing it online a month or so early.

:)

Remember you heard it here first on ANN !! (ABrain-News-Network)

:laugh: Good one AB. Although I reckon CNN sounds alot better (Ciao News Network) ;)

BTW, how many floors will E&Y have overall when completed? Looking from the Swan St bridge really gives you an idea of how huge the core is! Never seen one so PHAT!!

E & Y has column-free floor space. so what i think must happen is that beams are fixed from core to columns that run on the perimiter of the floorplate ( seen in renders painted yellow) and the aluminium/steel? form is placed over the beams ready to pour on - removes much of the time needed to form/pour internal concrete columns and reinforced concrete floorplates like PwC

this tower needs to be completed next year so there won't be any slowing down as such, very similar to E & Y in sydney that seemed to fly along as well. DECCO are the concrete manager (pumping/placement) and Lend-Lease are the builder

never seen a floor box before
http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/hwt200407.jpg

Now up to Level 19 and 20 inside the core box! Yipeeeeee

The floor plates are also moving quite fast.
so if the first office floor is level8, then the core is now at last "available now" floor in this render>
http://www.eybuilding.com.au/images/building.gif
then theres level21 -34 is E&Y. then 6 levels above that total=40?

I think it's the second last now available floor. 20 - 8 = 12. There are 13 now available floors which would make the second last now available floor in the core box... I think... lol

MG2

Gday

Now i know why ernst & young has 3 level 7's ( 7 , 7A and 7 AA )

These 3 level 7 's are for the open lobby area where the yellow stilts are !

Cheers

Lozza :lock:

So in fact the core is 21 exposed and 22 in the box.

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/yyyyih/DSC01950.JPG

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/yyyyih/DSC01953.JPG

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/yyyyih/DSC01957.JPG

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/yyyyih/DSC01958.JPG

wooo! great update :D

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/6356/101746356dl1090905646.jpg

^^ yer, the core's now visible above the MCG when you round the Richmond / Cremorne rail bend :D :D

That is a beautiful beautiful pic Grollo.. gee that real estate site is something!! Skyscraper photo experts without even trying..!

NOW - I said it in a previous post (I think) and I'll restate it here for the record...

Mark my words that core ain't going anywhere for a while now they've boosted the height quickly to get that Decco sign visible.. the bastards!!

Oh well give the floorplate a chance to catch up anyway..

You can now see that core from Toorak!

^^ Core rise today Boys ! And for the few ladies out there !!

She is really , really hammering along now!

Gotta Love Melbourne's Construction Boom !

What Genuine Carry On ! :horse: :banana: :rock: :banana2:

Cheers

Lozza !

great shots! you can tell be the twin 67m radio transmitters on the roof that the core is at the start of the E&Y levels on the rendering or 80m high which is half way up!!
cool guys!

this one should have quite an impact with the core already starting to take its place in the skyline from a distance

Here's a view of the core from our offices (120 Collins Street).

http://homepage.mac.com/jbadcock/pictures/P1020409.jpg

I think the core has hit level 20!

Nice clear pic there Joed :). In the midst of things and a great city vantage point for watching E & Y rise. Something different but apparent.

I think the core has hit level 20!

Yeah
20 was exposed last week on thursday. So at the rate they are going i think there should be a core rise later this week.

Shit, there not mucking around on this one!!!

Core = Level 20. At this rate it will top out sometime early next year.

core rise and more pretty painting

"mark my words the core aint going anywhere for a while"

ssshh! nobody tell A-brain....

"mark my words the core aint going anywhere for a while"

ssshh! nobody tell A-brain....

Get off A-Brain's back Silvermb. He's suffered a lot you know!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/Bronteboy/201.jpg

Dunno, I'm still not sold on the 'stilts' of E&Y. I think it's too stubby for them, either the tower needed to be taller, or just thinner and they may look good. But I won't pass final judgement of course until we see this hefty honey completed ;)

Still on track for the core to top out by christmas?

stu

Get off A-Brain's back Silvermb. He's suffered a lot you know!


It's my reverse pshycology trick you fewls !! The same 'We ain't gonna win this week' tactics will get the Sainters a long way in the finals this year I'm hopin...

It's my reverse pshycology trick you fewls !! The same 'We ain't gonna win this week' tactics will get the Sainters a long way in the finals this year I'm hopin...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/Bronteboy/images61.jpg
pa-pa!

Gday

Just in case some people haven't yet realised , and no one has already mentioned it yet , we have had another core rise on this baby , and the blue scaffolding is all in place , so expect the floor plates to take off soon !

Cheers

Lozza :bowtie:

core rise and more pretty painting ;)

And anther from 120 Collins.

http://homepage.mac.com/jbadcock/pictures/P1020414.jpg

Nice pics today joed!
stu

Nice pics today joed!
stu

Thanks stu
Hell, if I have to work on a Sunday I'd might as well make the most out of it :D

Lol, damn straight ;)
stu

Gday

The Blue Floor Plate Scaffolding has crept up a litte bit on the south west corner of this building ! You can clearly see what will be the Yellow Sticks, although they are still bare concrete at the moment of course. I like the idea of the stilts , but it would have been a bit better if the stilts were about 5 levels high , instead of 3 , to make it look a bit grander and taller , rather than a stumpy look.

Cheers

Lozza :bowtie:

What's been the time taken between core rises on E&Y? Seems fairly quick.

Gday ,

On average , i reckon we are getting almost one rise per week on this baby ! :rock:

Cheers


Lozza :bowtie:

woo. I lub this thing.

http://www.melbournephotos.net/pics/2004-08-23%20Melbourne%20-%20Rialto%20Observation%20Deck/IMG_4034.jpg

as u can see there was a core rise a few days ago

Oh no! :goodnight :ohno: This buildings going to block the view of the beautiful :crazy2: :crazy: shell house from the rialto!

^

Good !

Cheers

Lozza :bowtie:

trouble is you can't polish a turd and shell will probably detract from #8E

Oh no! :goodnight :ohno: This buildings going to block the view of the beautiful :crazy2: :crazy: shell house from the rialto!

The humanity! ;)

uewepuep: stitch the 101E and 8E pics together. stitch = win.

The humanity! ;)LOL.

The Pain! The PAIN! ;)

___________

dan has finally woken up to his senses:

http://www.melbournephotos.net/pics/2004-08-23%20Melbourne%20-%20Rialto%20Observation%20Deck/merge.jpg

^^ :banana:

Need.... Bigger.... Monitor....
hehe but nice stitch.
That ends going to look mega-classy in a few years time

The core is now up to Level 22!

That ends going to look mega-classy in a few years timeWith the blue of E & Y joining the gold of The Hyatt and the greens/blues of SX Office, wow! Imagine the sunsets from there. :eek:

Hell yeah! Bring it on :nocrook:
stu

http://www.thehoddlegrid.net/projects/updates/cbd/8e/8e3108041.jpg

lol no parking and the vans are parked.
woo

architecturally not much of a tower in my opinion, too rushed in design by DCM; lacks any great detail in shape and facade. the saving grace for this tower was the government's request they reduce the floorplate in favour of height and the GLASS. Excellent shade of blue that will offset the yellow stilts perfectly, the least the tower will look good when complete

http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/hwt 20040901.jpg

yeah glass is looking good
http://users.bigpond.net.au/dduffy/spots.gif

thanks for the pics

Yeah the quaility of the facade will make or break this one because the quiality of the design is pretty average (same with 101 Exhibition Street).

mmm looking good.

WOW !

Quality Glass Guys ! :rock: :banana2: :banana: :lock: :horse:

Cheers

Lozza :bowtie:

Yeah, about time the east end enjoyed a dose of solid, top to bottom CLASSY GLASS! :)

I reckon we should get larven to do one of his uber renderings with that large stitched east end pic at the top of this page.

request! can you blow up the fixing details in the first photo of the window facade connections to the slab?

Melbourne already has (and is getting) many landmark towers such as Rialto and Eureka. Notably in that 'Paris end' part of town you have the two landmark towers 120C and 101C. E&Y, along with SX are both simple in design, yet elegant, and will bulk up that end of town by providing a nice step-down from the two paris end biggies. Its definately good that E&Y isnt of extraordinary design, as it would detract from 120 and 101C.

^

Good point actually Sydneydude !

Sometimes, simplicity is elegant and also the way to go in this case as 120 and 101 Collins are the Showpieces down the Paris End of Collins Street!

Cheers

Lozza :bowtie:

I gotta disagree with Sydneydude here.

There is nothing wrong with *more* cutting edge designs down there, yes, 120C and 101C are the 'landmarks' there right now, but is that a good enough reason to stop a brilliant design getting built down there?

I'd hate to think that 120C and 101C is actually *limiting* the quality of architecture down the east end, merely so that their dominance won't be challenged. Heck, would anyone complain if a masterpiece like (just my choice) BoC Tower was plonked right next to 120C/101C? I know I wouldn't.

^

I still think that we desperately needed some glass scrapers down that end to tell u the truth !

And it will be a long time till we get scrapers up that end that will be taller than the 262 metres of 101 and 120 , so i still think that they ( 120 & 101 ) should be the stand out towers down that end of town . Everything else should compliment them , and glass is the way to go down there to break it up a bit

Cheers

Lozza :bowtie:

hey look , I love glass ok but more towers in the 120 /101 style should be built there.
leave the glass for the west and make a "showpiece" out of the east end.
I have no issue with medium rise "glass" in the east but "landmark" towers should compliment 101/120. It's meant to be the classy end, not nessesarily the glassy end after all.

conversly if they re-clad collins place in glass I would not complain.I have sentimental attachment to those twins but why oh why "baby shit" brown?

LOL @ "baby shit" brown! The fading of the colour (or so it seems) doesn't help either.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind CP turned into twin glass towers, at least then it wouldn't be just two ugly 70's style boxes, which, unfortunately, it is atm IMO.

we could probably start a new thread about C' Place.
I reckon it's buddy "naru" house looks DRAMATICALLY better after it's facelift and those tasteful little setbacks.
It may amuse those who may not know that naturally, email (late 1970's) was never ever envisioned when they built Collins Place.ANZ tower 55 Collins has this "cute" little "trolley car" network in it's core that was used to transport paperwork and documentation to each level.Kind of Brazil - Terry Gilliam-esque now that I remember them. They were these little blue suitcases on wheels that traveled into a shaft with a network of "rails". Pretty damn futuristic in an R2D2 kind of way for it's time.
I couldn't tell you if it is still used or has been removed entirely as my old man who had an office on 38 looking right down collins st has now been retired for some years.I do remember however that if you opened the trapdoor to take a look down the shaft to see these little blue "bees" buzzing about you ran a very real risk of being whacked in the back of the head by one of these "robots" blindly going about it's business.

Gday

While they are at it , they should "Re - Clad" The MLC Centre in Sydney.
It is a real eyesore and to be honest , for a building that size and that grand , it looks Shithouse and is embarrassing to Sydney! :puke:

A facelift like its little brother Nauru House is in order me thinks CULWULLA ! :rock:

Cheers

Lozza :bowtie:

Well the 'Brown twins' certainly do need a facelift of some sort, whether a glass reclad is feasible or not I don't know.... but it at least needs some new colour or something...
stu

ok then lads...it's on. make your placards and see you down at Collins Place shouting " down with brown in our town"! and other things rhyming with brown.

and for our sydney friends- pick bits of MLC and leave them on the ground or fake being hit on the head by a bit of facade and scream " damn this dirty crumbling yet historically significant and still rather appealing in a retro kinda way scraper"!!

^^ What the heck :? LOL (maybe).

I willl not, I repeat, will not hear a bad word about the fabulous Collins Place. It is theee best 70s designed scraper complex in Australia.

As for Sydney's MLC Centre Tower....well....'nuff said.

WOW!! I didn't realise the glass would be so highly reflective and opaque as it will be for E & Y Plaza re the pics posted by silvermb on the previous page. Lookin' gooooood!!

http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~ciaobella/Scott/E&Y020904.jpg

cool pic ciao. what floor is core up to?

Collins Place is an awesome complex and a classic design but the facade is pretty average. It needs a good clean just like MLC in Sydney, both are finished in that pebblemix stuff that looks crap after 10 years.

i think Sydney's MLC's facade is turning a orange sandstone colour. So it should blend in well with alot of the scrapers in the cityscape.lol

Core rise! We are now up to 22 exposed. or is it 23?

It's been 22 for a while, so 23!

taken by work mate on sat.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/culwulla/eandyplaza.jpg

It is a fairly large core too, isn't it?
stu

Yeh. the core is very bulky and the floor plates are small. Oh well. The glass facade will look great. I had a took at it from the car park roof next door on Sunday arvo.

Look at those trees! Spring has sprung! :D

*doess a happy dance* aherm *restrains self*

MG2

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/yyyyih/DSC021221.JPG

11E is looking good too

the whole clump of towers is looking better by the day ;)

heres a pic of status with render.
ive drawn in floors & core.
so lev24in core? the first E&Y floor is levl20.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/culwulla/EYplazasept15.jpg

level 24-25? poured today, poor bastards in sargood house. there's about 5m between the top few floors of sargood and hwt's floorplate in pic four. the concrete is delivered right next to the core inside what will eventually be the foyer.

http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/hwt 200409.jpg

The design of this is very reliant on the structural support of the core isn't it (I mean more than usual)? Is that one of the main reasons behid its bulkiness, because obviously the yellow pillars ain't gonna do shit for support (don;t look nearly strong enough). I am no whizz on this and I don't claim to be... so if anyone can explain it would be appreciated.
stu

most if not all Melbourne towers built in this cycle rely on structural support from the core - it locks everything into place. I'm no structural engineer (calling Deano!) but afaik the columns around the perimeter would add some kind of secondary support to the whole structure.

great money shot silvermb :P

http://img57.exs.cx/img57/3364/P9202050.jpg

http://img57.exs.cx/img57/1668/P9202054.jpg

you were up early ;)

Awesome as usual Hacksaw

heres a diagram showing how E&Y will fill in gap with collins place behind.
apprx height of lev24 core is shown.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/culwulla/eandycmpare.jpg

most if not all Melbourne towers built in this cycle rely on structural support from the core - it locks everything into place. I'm no structural engineer (calling Deano!) but afaik the columns around the perimeter would add some kind of secondary support to the whole structure.

great money shot silvermb :P


Also, the floors are all stressed up twice, then the stressing duct is filled with grout to lock it up, hence the ability to free span such bigger areas compared to the past.

There has been a fairly interesting show on C31 which is really just a series of engineering lectures. It's on fairly late, 10-11pm something like that. I'm not sure if it is still on, but there was a fairly long series on post tensioning systems with regards to floor slabs and also for retention purposes. (Retaining walls)

Did you know that stressing is also a bonafide alternative to cranes for lifting???? Check out the new qantas hanger at Brissy airport, I'm sure there was a thread on it somewhere.

Most buildings in Australia are now built as steel & concrete composites. mainly coz its cheap and viable and concrete can be formed to any shape u want, u just have to have the rite form work so it has a great variety

Concrete has good strength in compression but is weak in tension so this is where the steel comes in to carry most of the tensile stresses and loads.

A buildings concrete core acts as a back bone like in the human body providing a rigid frame to prevent swaying and for the floors to be connected to etc.

The columns here DO provide structural support otherwise they wouldnt be there. They hold up the floor above. they carry both Sheer forces(vertical loads) and bending monents(turning forces ie, torques) that come about from the dead and live loads on the floors they are connected to.

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne

Thanks for clearing that up guys, makes sense to me now :banana2:
The most important thing about the tower and the area from my point of view is that the East end is finally getting a much needed infusion of glass from several buildings that will offset the ugly (well, IMO anyway) brown of the twins, and complement 101C and 120C :D

stu

...........that will offset the ugly (well, IMO anyway) brown of the twins....

stu


SACRILEGE

Lol. I know a few people here like 'em (why I added that it was in my opinion), and I respect that..... but I just hate the colour personally.

stu

Im fond of C.P. but I don't like the "baby shit" brown either.

The kindest thing I can say about the exterior is maybe it is a "little dated"

It was, has been and still is such an important building/s in so many respects.

A special little place in the heart of anyone who has worked there I think, either U/C or as a building finite.

Oh, don't get me wrong, the towers are integral to the Melbourne skyline, and the interiors are fantastic (My Dad worked there and I have been up the ANZ tower on several occasions). I just think that they are 'dated' as you said, in a rather ugly colour. A re-clad, or some kind of update would vastly improve the vista.

stu

i dont mind em!

Hey Sakor, did your dad work there as a builder or other worker once complete?????

I've always loved the twins. Probably 'cos they were one of the first scrapers I remember appearing on the skyline - right after nauru house.

The sandstone doesn't look its best from a distance but is really beautiful IMO from close up and inside the atrim area itself. The area leading in to the conference rooms with the high ceiling and the sandstone walls is great.

Hey Sakor, did your dad work there as a builder or other worker once complete?????

Sorry, should have been more specific there. He worked after completion. He is with Rio Tinto which occupies at least one floor in the ANZ tower. He is not there anymore, being based in London now but he used to be there a lot and tour the mines and all that as well. Was a decent vantage point for NYE fireworks when they had them up the river a bit.... but Southbank is generally obscured from that floor :(

stu

hey , that's the same with my dad! he worked for CRA (conzinc rio tinto of australia) in the upper floors of that building too.
Maybe they know eachother.

I always felt CP was Melbourne's mini World trade Center (NYC). Hence from the distance profile, these twins stood out. Really made Melbourne look like a big city in the 1980s. There much in Eastern side of CBD. Times have changed.

i dont really like the brown from a distance. When youre standing at the foot of the tower looking up though it looks good i reckon.
im mianly happy this will block shell house from some angles hehe